So this is your uncle? John, Kenny, Scott and Ken, Keifer. They're here for you. Hi, Pat, nice to meet you. Hi, Ken. How are you? Good. They wanted to hear about their presentations. Pat nice to meet you. Again, are you? Just a moment. Are you dead? Good. They wanted to hear about their presentations. Oh, I can get you a pre-game. There you go. There you go. We have all our questions now. That's right. No, we don't have hard questions. These kinds of patents too. No, it's okay. Very good. Were you at the pizza party that we had a few about a year ago? On the... It's been my natural life. No, I thought we missed that one. The tasters have nothing to do with that game. No, but if we'd been in town, we would've gone because we like the tasters pizza. Yeah, there you go. That's the best thing. Are we? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We're excited. We just like hearing about air footage. We've flown in and out of here. We've flown in and out of, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, None. None. Yes, we have our own flag. Just happen to have this right here. Just happen to have that flag. Oh, very cool. Oh, that is. Oh, that's 414, it's not 310. No, it's a toy community with TupTanks. And as it sits right there, it as 10 tanks. Michael, where's this picture taken? Texas. In Texas, okay, I was gonna guess Florida with that grass, but yeah. Do you get down to what footwork area do you know? No, I'm very often. No. We're down that way. Oh, okay. Can my finger do the winter or just season? Winter in summer. Yeah. Yeah. What it's a winter or just seasonal? Winter and summer. Yeah. But it's a nice, her up here. Yeah. In Texas, we have spent a fair amount of time up here in the summer as well as the winter. Oh, okay, great. We like to ski and we like to hike. Yeah. So it's a good place for us. Two great things to do fly also. You know what I used to, then last five years of at two in college. So, I have a particular program. I have a particular program almost every day. You know a lot of our friends go through. Yeah, so I'm hoping about four more years to jump on. What do you like to fly? The United States Session Alliance. The idea of the Sesson Online stuff, they're not just 172s, 172s, 172s. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, a lot of fun. So, started off in the trauma. They're having extra coffee. Yeah. You're having some small, thoughtful tail was going to come off. Oh my gosh. Yeah, you know. All person like you, that must have been fun. Yeah. Yeah. Have the instructor in there. No, yeah. He had to be a little smaller than him. I really hope so. I was going to say, how do you pick your strengths by weight? Yeah. We love it. We're going to pick your strengths. I like picking the strengths. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People at least go to the new government of doing that because communities aren't the largest good crowd around the world. And you get to know about things. Yeah. How we doing? Good, are you? What year is that? 1970. 1970. It's one of the counter-road tour funds. How you doing? You doing? Huh? Do you get some skiing in this? Skate Saturday morning for an hour. In December, we got exchange students. We're living with us for attendees. And I got the cruise block on that Sunday. That was the ability to live a little we were at. Student with us, she's fine, but her best friend, or she went to ski with, does not. And so, you were going slow and steady. Oh, okay. It looked nice. I was salivating. I was looking all over, but didn't get the point. So we've been taking care of the plane since play. Did you get out? Yeah. It's broken. It's really good. Yeah. Where'd you go? I was up here yesterday. I was on Highlands on Saturday. What was Highlands on Saturday? I was completely soaked getting up to the bowl. Oh, once I was up there, it was good. And I was getting so off the inside out. You're a good way. I don't know how to tell you. Just as corals as I go get. He's an arm and cold. It was just a terrible one. But the ski was good. But I don't care. Until like 11 o'clock and up to 10,000 feet, it was all time. That's awesome. Really? All time? That was pretty good. Pretty good, yeah. But then 11 o'clock it's got a warming up, right? Like if the 10,000 feet started getting a little bit, it was fine that there wasn't a track in it. Right? Is there a track in it? It's not about changing things. That's not where you're supposed to tell me you're supposed to say you didn't miss my Justine Mr. John I'm not going to tell him you're not. If you don't, Mr. John Dresser. No one's going to kick us out. He's in the house. Over the committee. Don't do that. Choose wisely. Yeah. That's not what I'm talking about. Yeah. Beach was delightful. Oh, we got it. You wouldn't have been told if you would have little parts closet in the house. It wouldn't be parts place. There's one or another one. Have you really wanted it? MZ asked me to give you that. Do it all over. Do it all over. Do it all over. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. You can search like part number five. You can go to the shelf. 2777-00 is the fuel cap The chair is moving Trying to stay out of the range of the cameras see to a to use your vignac here This seems like legal to me Sorry about liability issues. He handed it to me and said, please give this to Clint, and I didn't even bother to read it. I have executed on his request. All right. What was it called? Hi, my kid. Would you take for a reason? I'll give him a read. I'll show everybody. So two years, sir. So the citizen's team is going to pass I'm sorry everybody. So two years ago, the set is a team's business. It's not like I'm going to have to let it. The beach was good, Bill, and I didn't miss any power. You did? Yeah, we didn't get anything while you were gone, did we? A couple inches in the middle of the week that they said was really funky. So you got out yesterday? Yeah yesterday was pretty nice. That was good. Unless you're talking to Clint, no? You didn't miss much. I haven't. Clint had a famil guy. I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm not going to be a good what? I'm not going to email and see you'll see you in an hour. You know, I don't even remember what it was. I am right now. Can you come to the end? Is it appropriate? Like you're just out in the world. You know the rest of the story, that's right. That's right. That's my husband. I'm rather not. How are you going to be here, Pat? I'm a formal setting. I would rather not do it in the formal setting. Meeving grabbed me after this. Yeah. That would be great. If there's something that we need This try it because that's a bad ass man. Same type of question. He wrote back it like this. Okay. So let's do it a theory. Don't stop me though. You're not supposed to be in it? Yeah, yeah. Friends, I just come back from a long way. I know and then you come up here and it's foggy and you can't him battling and it's like when summer coming not cold enough Mark you just had a birthday on the 10th yes, I need that I'm not sure. That's a Noun's on TV. I'm just told she is. I don't like that idea. What's that? Oh, put it. Let's announce on TV just to know what she knows. Oh, yeah. She'll love that. Yeah. Especially after being gone a week. Yeah. Well, that's. Yeah. I'm both dead. Um, you were doing your email. I'll show you who's there she is. Mark, I got you a place right here. What? I set you up a chair. You can move if you want. I just want you to take all your paperwork with you. You know what I hope today stop and slow down that sign comes out just zoom right by him. Oh yeah Thank you. We good to go. Hit it, ma'am. Oh, okay. Get your breath. Welcome. Good to see you. Thank you as well. Yeah. Okay. Let's go ahead and get the procession started. This is February 13th. I hope all you guys remember Valentine's Day is tomorrow. No to husband. Okay. Right now. Tonight we're going to be talking about the E.A. process and I really look forward to hearing John's presentation on that process. Very onerous at best but one that looks thoroughly vetted. Mara wanted discussion. Our goal here is to set a timeline for conversations about this issue that we discussed last week at Council. And then Council goals Clint so other than that That's the major agenda items for this evening And we've already made sure everybody's here so John I'm gonna turn it over to you and the Clint unless you want to do the intro Expert on airports Thank you Thanks for the opportunity to give you an update on the environmental assessment. It's taking place out of the airport. I think it was last October, it was the last opportunity that we had to get a little bit of an update. And we've got a variety of progress made on the environmental assessment as well, some of the community input and dialogue. So, look forward to sharing that with you. What I wanted to talk to you about today was really six components. Why we even do it in EA? We get that question over and over again. I thought that might be helpful. Really interesting footnote is there's two separate purpose and needs for this environmental assessment. So we're actually clearing the footprint for a new terminal building and then clearing the environmental assessment associated with relocating the runway. So usually there's one purpose in need. This one we have two separate purpose in need in terms of the environmental assessment. Revisit some of the terminal concepts and visualizations as well as the community input or engagement to date. And we also have some outcomes associated with the environmental criteria for the FAA that we can talk about. And then also have some outcomes associated with the environmental criteria for the FAA that we can talk about. And then I also thought we'd share about what are we doing in terms of next steps as we near the end of this environmental assessment and get ready to submit that to the Board of County Commissioners in Pick and County and then on to the FAA. So why are we doing the environmental assessment? We're doing it because we receive federal grants associated with these particular projects. And whenever you do an environment, receive federal monies, you need to quantify the environmental impact. So from A to Z on the very low end of, here we go, I think it's just barely cutting off the last water. Okay. At the very low end you get a categorical exclusion. Sands there's really not going to be an environmental impact. Where we are is the environmental assessment and it could go all the way up to an environmental impact study at EIS. We're really the feds run that process. The potential disruptions of what we're doing at the airport, the FAA classified as an environmental assessment. In rough unity, Tom, if you have questions as well. So the two separate purpose and needs, there's quite a bit of information behind each one of these. So the first was to construct a new terminal building. And why are we doing that? We're doing that because there's a variety of just safety issues associated with that from the ADA component to the NFPA component to the drainage component. And that could also include fuel. Fuel spills would drain into the terminal building. It is an old, old building that has been, I think, cobbled together as much as it possibly can. And there's really simply more money would be spent remodeling it than if you were to start with new development. And that's in the $60 million range. It's a huge price tag. So we're really addressing the safety issues as well as the passage or experience. So the terminal size, when the environmental assessment or correction, the airport master plan first came out in 2012 or the most recent one, it called for about a 95,000 square foot terminal building. Then there was some community dialogue and they ratcheted that back to 80,000 square feet. So as we're going through this environmental assessment process, we didn't want to try to thread the needle and say, well, is it going to be 80? Is it going to be 85? Is it going to be 90? Is it going to be 95? So we chose a very wide range. So it's really what we're studying is anywhere from 80,000 to 140,000 square feet. If you were to use the FAAs criteria, today would probably take it to 150,000 square feet. We just simply cannot afford anything anywhere near that. There's a variety of other community concerns and compatibility associated with it. So somewhere, guesstimate, 90, 105-ish size range, it might be smaller, it might be not even quite that big. So we just, we don't know, but that's the design phase. We're really just quite that big. So we just, we don't know, but that's the design phase. We're really just clearing the environmental footprint. The second component is to relocate the runway 80 feet to the west. There's been a variety of crashes around the country, fatality crashes that have involved these airfield geometry being too narrow or too short on the ends of the runway. Southwest Airlines landing at Chicago Midway Airport, if you ever landed there, it's like landing on an air carrier. They put it down and hit the reverse thrust in the brakes like no other airport. Of course, they went off the end of the runway, threw the fence onto Sisro Avenue and killed an infant child strapped to its seat as the car was passing by. So there's those, there's numerous accidents like that. Congress came back to the FAA and said no more exemptions. Make the airports meet on the ends of the runway. The distances needed for safety as well as the geometry distance between the runways and taxways. They're too narrow, widen them. They're filling in parts of the Pacific Ocean off in airports in Alaska, spending tens of millions of dollars. So the FAA now just adopted it, no exemptions, even on the airfield geometry between runways and taxways. They saw us along with several other airports and said, you proved to us, you can't do it, otherwise you must do it. We showed them, we could do it, they said, thou shall do it. That is one component to fully meet the group design of that airport, to date it where you could accommodate aircraft up to 118 foot wingspan. What type of aircraft will get to that in just a minute? Right now our maximum wingspan is 95 feet. So a secondary component to that is the regional jets are retiring. And they retire the new generation of regional jets coming into the airport are going to exceed that 95 foot wingspan. They're closer to 115 to 117 very close to the size of wingspan of a 737. So will we be able to fully accommodate the new generation? Yes. If we don't do this, then we go down to the next level, which is a wingspan greater than, no greater than 75 feet. And that's the Turbo Prop 19 passenger beach 1900 aircraft. I'm not sure they can fly up here. Maybe they can, maybe they can't. I don't know. So schedule services, you know it today would cease to exist if you did not relocate the runway. Excuse me. What is the way expand of a 737? 117 feet, five inches, and they all vary maybe less than a foot than that. So basically 117 feet. So we wouldn't be able to accommodate them. Well, yes and no. Yes, you could accommodate 737s when you relocate the runway to the 80 feet Geometrically as you would be able to then accommodate aircraft with a wingspan of 118 feet or less So geometrically you could the other real question is performance wise Can those aircraft coming to and out of the airport? We have not heard from anybody that they have definitively said Yes, they can United has told us from what we have tried in the simulators it won't work. Alaska Airlines says we think it might but we have not heard anything definitive whether or not those aircraft can performance wise come into the airport. There's a lot of different types of 737s as well right? Correct. So depending upon I mean they, they're tested the 737s with the largest engines. They just came out with a certified a 737 max. And it was certified to, I want to say, it was well over 14,000 feet down in Peru. So they are coming out with larger engines in terms of performance that could possibly, but have we heard definitively from anybody? No, we haven't. But it raises a very huge, well, I should a lot of people then ask, well, we don't want those, so say no to that group. You can't discriminate because arbitrarily, compreciously during a certain class and category of aircraft. So when the FAA says you will become full group 3 design, that means you will take aircraft up to 118 feet. Well, that's the 737 or not the 737. You're required, or you'll be in violation of your grain assurances, to accommodate all aircraft in that particular area, including corporate aviation. If there's a corporate 737 size aircraft that could come into the airport, maybe it takes out half the number of seats or whatever the number might be. So it can operate out of here. We would be bound by the FAA to accommodate those aircraft as well. So we don't know the answer to the 737. We're going to get into in just a few minutes here, the kind of the fleet37. We're gonna get into in just a few minutes here that kind of the fleet mix that we rolled into our calculations and we did a roll in a certain percentage of 737 operations. The FAA wanted us to, but we also wanted to show kind of a worst case scenario, kind of getting back to that methodology associated with the terminal building. We went from 80,040. We're gonna build something well over 100. No, we just can't afford it. But we wanted to make sure we had that range. And same with the type of aircraft that we calculated into our fleet mix. Okay. Hey, John, when you referenced the max, the 737 max, what were in Peru, did they fly into Kusko? I don't know. I mean I Thought it was closer to 16,000 square. It was just an incredibly high. Yeah, well Kusko's right at 11,000 12,000 so Yeah, it was it was rather impressive how high they were operating that aircraft. That's pretty amazing. It was It was rather impressive how high they were operating that aircraft. That's pretty amazing. It was. And a 737 MAX is equivalent to like a 737 700 or 800, which most people fly in. So they're probably the more spacious type 737 size aircraft. The new regional jets that are coming on right now, the Mitsubishi MRJ just took another delay. They had a press release today in terms of their certification in North America, which they have to do to bring those aircraft into here by the FAA. They're already certified in Europe and Asia, but they took a little bit more of a delay, but in the meantime, there's a CS100 that has been certified in North America and Delta has a variety of orders for that particular type of aircraft. That aircraft seats about 110 to 120 individuals, a 737 size aircraft since 135, to configure them all differently. So the new generation of regional jet, my point being, they're very, very similar in size, but they're considerably quieter, well, to the average homeowners, the quieter than the type of aircraft that you have in today, larger but better technology and more fuel efficient and more friendly in terms of air quality issues. So here's the terminal concept designs, there's two that are out there. This is the ridge. You're obviously looking into the building, the bottom half right portion is the baggage claim area in the foreground and in the background would be where the ticketing would take place. If you notice there's not a lot of specificity, there's not a lot of doors and entrances. This is a 25% schematic design just to take a look at what possibly could it look like based on the community's input. Here's looking at it from the same angle in the foreground as baggage claim inside the terminal building, and that's the curb side. And you can see the elevation difference in the background there towards left hand portion as a aircraft parked. So it addresses that issue of grade and that's inside looking back from the ticketing counters. The second concept is the pavilion. So it's a little bit more open in the basement area, but a lot of people say that it feels more like a basement. The upper level has a lot more glass and open component. And off to the right-hand side, you can see that the roof area is greened. All these are shown at an 80,000 square foot footprint, and square foot footprint, curb side circulation element, and then the inside with kind of a pavilion area out there when the weather permits. So those are the two conceptual designs that have been moving forward to the Board of County commissioners. Again, they're conceptual. Is this what's going to be built? No idea. Could it be possibly? Could it not be equally, equally, of equal chance? In terms of the community engagement, there's 10 areas here and I apologize, the contrast it starts to fade out down there. But it's basically that we have created a formation of community input committees. And this is a group of about 50 people that represent, thank you, that represent a variety of geographical or special interests associated with the community and that of the airport and the proposed environmental assessment for the runway and the terminal building. We have had five of those meetings today. We've also had the formation after each one of the community input committees to have a public workshop, a public open meeting house, if you will. We've also had five of those today. We've had presentations in a variety of the communities up and down the Roron Fort Valley. We've also had the community coffee chats. So we're really getting this information out there everywhere we can from the web to the radio to the news, as well as just reaching out to folks who are traveling in the terminal building, as well as folks who historically have communicated with us. We've done blast up to them as well, just asking for their input and letting them know where we are in the process. So we'll continue this outreach, if you will, as we kind of enter into these final phases, the environmental assessment. That says initial outcomes compared to the FAA's criteria. So we've listed 14, there's actually 23 of those and a couple of these have subcategories to them. But the air quality is coming back and we looked at it from two reasons. Is the terminal going to impact this category. Is the terminal going to impact this category or is the runway going to impact this category? And with the air quality, it was no significant increase. It was small, short term during the construction phase associated with the terminal. And on the runway for the air quality, it was no significant increase. Small terminal increases also during construction, which we could address during best practices. I put three little white dots on the ones that I think would be of most interest to you. If you have another item that you want to talk about specifically, we sure can. The land use, it did not include any noise sensitive incompatible land use inside the noise contour of the 65. And that's the criteria that HUD, as well as the FAA, uses in terms of determining whether or not you have incompatible land use, then you either require it, mitigate it somehow by insulating the house or a variety of other measures that are allowed by the FAA. There's a variety of other components here that were pretty no impacts, did not meet the thresholds of the FAA. Going down to the noise, number 10. Again, there was no homes or incompatible land uses. The noise contour does not go off the airport into incompatible land areas. The social economic component, which is really tied to kind of the pillow count, that still needs a little bit more time in the oven as they continue to work through some of these issues. They realize we might have to update some of the information from some of the previous studies. The RBO rent by owner is really a wild card that is as significant capacity and is still continuing to turn out there in terms of exactly what could be that impact associated with RBO. Is this our chance to say this is important to us as a community, the socio-economic impact? Does that really say hey, we need an airport in order to fill our 2000 or 2000 rooms that we've got? Is it important to the airports? It's important to the airport in terms of quantifying the potential impact to the community. Aspen is very concerned about it, Pickin County is well I'm sure you folks are as well. What is it going to do in terms of if you build these two developments at the airport? What impacts are going to have to your community? Is it going to spur growth? Is it going to spur additional rooms to be built? What is the pillow count impact associated with that? John, just a question that would seem like one of the critical criteria would be the number of flights that are coming in, the seat count. So this study is done or was done. What was a seat count that we're using flying in on the highest use day? I might have that down lower. Let me check for that in just a second. Or else. We don't. We use the aviation forecast that the FAA wanted us to use the 2012 master plan and then we updated that based on what has been happening. So the last update that we were forecast that we were using was 2017 and it's shown about a 2 to 3% growth over that period of time over that 5 year period and we pretty much have taken that going forward. Branded it forward, okay, didn't you answer my question. Okay. Because that's a key assumption. So the social economic component, they're still working on that right now. They'll have that pretty much buttoned up by the first, the second week of March when they roll out the draft environmental assessment report for folks to take a look at. Water quality and wild and scenic rivers really no impact. In terms of the wetlands, it was associated with the improvement on the runway. So there's about 1,600 linear feet worst case. It might be less than 300, but worst case 1,600 linear feet of Al Creek that we would pipe. It's also part of the wildlife mitigation to keep the birds and some of the larger animals away from the runway area. But that is probably the more significant impact. And in terms of a wetland area, it's about a 1.5 acre impact that we will either relocate somewhere else in the runway or do a swap within the county to offset that impact. John, I guess in the last year or so, Picking County built a mountain bike trail on the uphill side across the road from the airport along Al Creek. Is that the general area where Al Creek is going to get moved to make room for the wider runway and taxiways? The Al Creek Road, not the Al Creek itself. Al Creek Road, yes. Alcree Road, yes. We have scaled the project back quite a bit. So exactly correct, when this first came out, they were talking about a parallel attack somewhere on the west side, a second FBO on the west side. And it was just perplexing the project of that magnitude was going to be proposed for this airport. So we were able to convince the FAA of that and scale that back, because we were going to do land condemnation, land acquisitions, and dig deep into the hill over there near the buttermilk and do multiple tiered retaining walls. All of that is off the radar. That is not even on the foreseeable funding of greater than 30 years. So there's about 700 linear feet of Al Creek closer to buttermilk than it is where the airport operation center is and that'll be relocated all within the existing right-of-way. So the Al Creek road will stay where it is? Correct. Correct. But a big change from what was originally proposed. And piping of the owl creek, is that on the west end of the runway? The piping? Yeah. It is just north of the airport operations center. And then it goes directly east perpendicular across the runway taxiway headed towards Shell cliffs. Right. Okay. So the next steps in terms of the environmental assessment, mid-march is when the draft document is going to be ready that will then present it to the community input committee. Let them take a look at it as well as have another public workshop and just go through the 23 different components of the impacts associated with these two developments. We'll then forward that on to the Board of County Commissioners. Staff's recommendation, since the FA spent some money they're looking for a product. Our recommendation is to forward that on to the FAA. At that point, what does that mean or any decisions made? No, it just simply is put it in front of the FAA. The FAA will then review it for about a two week period of time. Two weeks later, they'll call a public hearing and the FAA as well as Picking County will jointly have a public workshop public hearing then have a 30-day Comment period all that information will then go back to the FAA about a 30 to 60-day time frame after that The FAA will come back and either tell us their concerns or issues or suggest admitting measures or issue a faunzy acronym for finding of no significant impacts. That is looking to be pretty much at the number four the September time frame. So after that what would take place is if the Picking County Board of County Commissioners approves the FAA findings they would then enter into the the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city of California, the city period beginning in the fall of 2017 and going into the summer of 2018. So those are kind of the next steps of where we are in the environmental assessment. So what kind of money are you talking about? What kind of money are you talking about in terms of overall airport and second of which to what extent will the federal government provide a grant and if so what is the caps and those grants? We're an airport enterprise funds we don't accept any monies from the general funds we're completely autonomous through our user fees and grants so the runways right about 90 million and the terminal buildings probably right around the 70-75 million period so we're just shy of 200 million. Okay. Chump change. Sorry. What was that? I said chump change. Yeah. The funding for the airport comes from the FAA and the funding from the building comes locally. In part, we're not allowed to make a profit with the exception of landing fees we can make a profit from. The terminal building usually is not fundable, historically it is not. Two years ago the FAA created for small airports such as the size of Aspen, a funding mechanism. So we'll actually receive about $20 million from the FAA on a grant specific for the terminal that can only be used for that portion that does not generate revenues. Otherwise, we get past your facility charges so that head tax of every time you buy an airline ticket up to a max of $12 that goes back to the airport that the flight originated from. We also get CFCs, customer facility charges. That is basically the head tax associated with rental cars. That we also receive, we get landing fees for every time an aircraft lands that not's not based at the airport. We get fuel flowage fees for every time a gallon of gas is pumped in or an aircraft. We receive fuel flowage fees. Every time a gallon of gas is pumped in or an aircraft, we receive fuel flowage fees. And then we get leases, ground rent, and then percentages from the rail cars, the airlines, the restaurant, and some other subtenants to the fixed base operator who fuels the aircraft. So those are kind of our primary sources and parking, excuse me, that we get in terms of funding the airport. But as far as construction of the runway, that is coming from the FAA. At 90% correct. 90%. Yeah, closer you get to the runway, higher the priority. Yeah, that's the most heavily subsidized via the FAA towards us. Is there any conversation about bonding? About what? Bonding. Bonding for this airport. I'm sorry. Bonding. Oh, bonding, yes. We will also float bond, yes, correct. OK. We'll have to in terms of revenue bonds. Sorry. Too many years around airplane. John, a couple of questions on terminology. So I'm looking through this, what's the definition of an employment? Thank you. When you in plain, you're getting onto an airport. When you're deep-plane, you're getting off the airport. So if we have 250,000 in plainments, we really have 500,000 either people getting on or getting off. So you actually double it in terms of the volume? In terms of the volume of people. Correct. Okay. So this is only on. Okay. Okay, and you explain a little bit about this column mark the Wadif scenario. Oh, sure. I actually have that here. Yeah, this doesn't show very well. Well, there was a, there was a, I'm gonna help with the whole table. Oh, well, if it moves over. I can. Quick. Thank you. What page are you on, Bob? Thank you. Well, it's listed under noise. It's on the chart. On page 2.2. If I'm gonna get over there, thanks. Under noise. It's on the chart on page 2.2. Under noise. Great thank you. So what if scenario is we were taking a look at the scenario where it was kind of a worst case? What if 737 aircraft were to come in? What if you were to take a look at smaller aircraft, the beach 1900s coming in? Yet some people said, well, you haven't lowered your employment, how could you get that many flights with aircraft that only seat 19 versus the 70? But we kept it worst case, challenging just to quantify what are the air noise impacts, what are the air quality impacts, what are all the impacts associated with that. So that was a scenario that we told the FAA, we wanted to run. They said we'd like to have you run it. And right in the middle of the far left hand column there under air carrier aircraft, you can see the 737 max and going across four columns. You can see how many operations were being projected. So what if scenario is just kind of taking a to take a look at a worst case scenario and what the impacts will be at the airport. In the section on surface transportation, there's a statement that the project will not cause intersection changes from acceptable to deficient levels of service. I'm interested in what the assumptions were that came up with that conclusion. Primarily because of the number of vehicles, additional vehicles, that the transportation chart indicates there will be with the changes that are being proposed. So, can you share with us something about the assumptions that were made to reach that conclusion? We're going to have a follow-up meeting with the RTD to discuss some of the numbers. They had some questions associated with that. Let me see if I have a photo. So aerial photograph of the airport here. Here's Highway 82, the ABC Terminal Building and coming down into the town of Aspen. Here's the airport runway itself and then here's Alcreek Road. Some folks I think had an assumption that we were going to be looking at a variety of intersections associated with the Egress and Engress coming into and out of the airport. When it comes to an environmental assessment, right or wrong. When it comes to environmental assessment, you're only looking at the impact at that intersection of coming into the airport and going out of the airport. And many times, that's the same road. We did go a little bit further and take a look at the Al Creek intersection here at 82 because originally there was supposed to be a parallel taxi way and a second FBO in this area. So some folks have asked, well why aren't we taking look at this intersection, the intersection down at the intercept lot and the several intersections going this way. Right. I just simply out of the scope of an environmental assessment. Okay, that makes sense. So the additional traffic on Highway 82 really doesn't matter in the case of the environmental assessment. Correct. Okay. Thanks. That's very helpful. Well, a question that I would ask relative to that question is this whole notion of fixed rail coming. This is a stop. How do you see fixed rail, light rail relative to the use of the airport and how might that be configured? We have reserved the corridor along Highway 82 for transit and or rail. There has been some discussion about a rail line that I've been hearing coming into the front of the terminal building. That's federally obligated land with the FAA. The FAA would have to release that land first and foremost before anyone could use that for non-eulonical purposes. In a sense what the FAA would describe is you can put a rail or train anywhere. You can only put entrance roads serving the terminal building in a certain location. So they would have to take a look at the merits and the value of that. But ultimately it's for the aeronautical and the support of the terminal building. When we'd like to see transit and rail incorporated into the airport, absolutely. It'd be great. Is there a way to do it in the parking lots immediately in front of the terminal building? We're going to be looking at that as well. Okay, thank you. Sorry, John, why you had that other picture up? You said there's about 700 feet of Alcreek road that we'll have to move. Correct. We'll have to be moved over but all within the right away. Can you just show us where on that last map? You bet. Let me find it here. You see okay on this from back there. Okay. It is here's Alcreek Road as it's coming around the the turn here. It's right in this area here. So pretty much right adjacent to the beginning of the runway. And what about the bike path that runs through there? Would that have to change as well? The bike path we're going to relocate from this side of Ocreec road and put it over on the side of Ocreec road which I think has already begun in terms of their risk of plan. And how about the bike path that runs along the end of the runway? Down in this area here? Yeah. Yeah, that no impact that I've heard or read of. Okay. So the bike path from this portion, all the way to this portion down here, will either be modified slightly or but probably improved as opposed to being read up against a sense. We'll put you up a little bit higher on the hill which I think would give better experience for yourself. And have you heard any comments about the airline trail and how it affects air traffic? The airline trail which I understand is down in this area here. Right. This is the turn of all creep going up. I have not heard of any. So, should we hear that? Of the airline trail with this development, or did you say air traffic? Yeah, because there's been some talk about expanding the bike trails in that area. And one of the comments that I heard that They didn't want to do any expansion because of FAA regulations Oh, I've personally had conversations with the FAA as to the community value of being a community citizen and Huffiness do some things here to Get the bikers over there whether it be underpass or overpass and I don't think that's off the table. So building trails on that hillside is not going to get limited. What I've heard is that it's got more to do with the radar itself and it does be air for because the radar is on top of there and access to the radar is going to be a issue I think in the state that concerns you around the radar not so much air for construction. issue I can say. The concerns around the radar are not so much air for construction. Yep, right up here. I mean, there's because the trail is so popular and you have two-way traffic on there, there's been comments about should we have an uphill trail and a downhill trail. And so as long as we're telling people there, there's no limitations. Yeah, for the failed development, that's good to know. And that's associated with construction. But we don't know. I don't think you want to. Are you using the radar queue? When we're talking about, is there any constraints with the radar? Were you pointing there? Oh, yeah, we'd have to run that through the FRA. The only thing we were talking about is just crossing down here at El Creek Road. That was the only discussions that we had had to date. Yeah, they're pretty protective as that was saying up here of encroachment of any type towards that rate. Others all sorts of imaginary surfaces and setbacks of metal and everything on the side. Well, and it's probably a place you don't want to be near anyway, right? What's that? You don't want to be near anyway, right? What's that? You don't want to be near that anyway, right? I wouldn't. So we're going fast enough. Really? John, in the socioeconomic area, there's a term that's used here, WRNF. Does that must stand for something? White River National Forest. Oh, well thanks, John. Thank you. That was easy. Yeah, I guess just one comment on the lodging issues, or the lodging portion of that socioeconomic conditions. And it's really just to point out that by 2023, it's highly likely, highly probable that there'll be 400 new units in snowmass with base village. I mean, we know that there'll be 200 by 2018, with the completion of the next, the already approved part of the PUD. And then I'm sort of estimating, but I'm estimating about another 200 that would be left to build, if there was the appropriate volume, the appropriate economy to fill them, fill them, do whatever the developer wants to do with them. But I guess my point is that whoever's putting this together, whoever's putting these estimates together, you know, recognize that that's really, that's a known, if you will, rather than an estimate as it relates to SOMAS Village. I'll make sure the consultants understand that. Yeah, thanks. Yeah. Well, plus you have all the development going up and down 82 that you've asked when airport and there's quite a bit of no one facts there as well. But I'm going to assume the consultants are knowledgeable of those developments. Yeah they also hired a jump out of Tim Malooing who's part of this socioeconomic component and utilizing a lot of the stay-ass and snow mass and a variety of other planning and zoning approvals so I'll definitely bring those to points. Any other questions? John, do you have any questions for us or anything that we can do to help you out? No, I don't think so, but thanks for the opportunity. Just the more we talk about it and get the issues out there. It helps people understand it. Just kind of a long term perspective beyond where the scope of this study. I mean, where do you see air traffic going? It seems that planes are going to have to become more efficient. Wing spans are going to have to get longer to become more efficient. I mean, are we going to be, are we going to get 30 years down the road and see air traffic change radically in our airport be out of date? There's an initiative that started about five years ago, maybe even seven years ago now in terms of the next gen. And it's somewhat timeless because there'll always be the next generation of air traffic control and satellite-based navigation. So you're seeing some very large strides. But right now, you're seeing a lot of discussion and debate going on. It depends on who occupies the White House in terms of what affiliation, Republican or Democrat, because a lot of folks are very concerned about the loss of jobs. There's a lot of discussion that greater automation could be instilled into the FAA that virtual towers are really the way of the future that would reduce the number of controllers, reduce a variety of ways that we manage traffic today. If you think about an aircraft coming into Denver International Airport, I mean, not even taking into account the mountainous component where we live, they start to descend over Minneapolis. And they pull back into power, they just send like a stair step, pull back into power, level off, to send like a stair step. And they do that over an extended period of time. They circle the communities 20, 30 miles out, they usually line up about 30 miles out. What next gen is supposed to do is think of it as opposed to going down that stair step is sit on the banister railing of a stair case and slide down it. They get one fixed point constant descent. The fuel savings are enormous. The airspace needed in terms of the aircraft flying over communities is significantly reduced. So these issues have been out there for five to seven years or when the aircraft calls the tower for the pushback operation, it's then slave to the DI's operation to get ready for this aircraft here it comes. They have such automation concepts in place. And some folks have said it's just too big of a change for a federal bureaucracy. Other folks have said the FAA is too large. They can't be nimble enough to take on these issues. Other folks argue it's private sector. They're trying to make the dollars off of it. The FAA is more than capable of delivering the system. So there is a huge debate that's kind of stalled out there as to what's the best direction to go. But the strides that they have made with satellite-based navigation is just, it is almost star wars. So it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next five to seven years. And I think you're going to see some really significant changes because the technology of carbon fiber aircraft, the engines, they're probably peaking for an extended period of time and the big variable is going to be How do you operate these folks in in the airspace if you've ever seen a Video of what it looks like at all the aircraft in the airspace at once. It's you It's magical that they do it as well as they do it as efficiently as they do it But it's safely as they do it as well as they do it is efficiently as they do it but as safely as they do it. So answer your question. I think big changes are coming. What exactly are they? I think they're still caught up right now in the left side versus right side of the aisle debates that have stalled it for a considerable amount of time but it is coming. John Fowell goes according to plan. How many years out do you think construction of the runway would be? Right now it's laid for seven years out with spool up before that because the construction period given the seasonality of what we can do is going to be done the FAA aware of. You fund it to the extent you want to extend it and it's going to be over a six-year period. Two to almost three years it's going to be sitting there collecting snow. So it's kind of a challenging deal but airports do compete. So it's going to be a big deal. It's going to be a big deal. It's going to be a big deal. It's going to be over a six-year period. Two to almost three years, it's going to be sitting there collecting snow. So it's kind of a challenging deal, but airports do compete. And you're seeing Tally Ride spool up their administration team, Vale, Grand Junction, Gunnison. And the FAA has told us we can't give you any money any quicker because those airports are asking for similar money. Over $100 million going to grand junction relocate their runway by several hundred feet. Vail wanted to build a brand new terminal building. Tell you right, wanted to build new terminal facilities down there to recapture air service. Gunnison recently, the voter is saying no. So now they want to go to the FAA and get more grants that they can build their terminal building. So airports do compete. And it's going to put a little bit more of a challenge specifically for airports. A lot of stuff will change in the sky with ATC and the airlines. But the biggest challenge for airports is you're going to have to get more into non-aeronautical type of developments that pay much higher than revenues coming in from aeronautical developments and you're seeing that trend all over the country. So some some big changes just based on the dollars of dry and up Anything else? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Very informative. Thank you. Okay. Well, John gets ready to leave. Does anyone need a break? No. Okay. We'll move on to marijuana discussion, Clint. So this is a follow-up discussion to our meeting last Monday when the Council of Past and Ordnance on First Reading to extend the moratorium that's in place. The Council modified the ordinance to have the moratorium go through October 31st of 2018 on First Reading. And then as part of that discussion it was as part of the discussion. It was noted that we needed to come up with a timeline of how we wanted to address that. We first scheduled this. We weren't sure which way the count was going to go. Whether it was going to be a moratorium was going to be acceptable or not. Whether we wanted to have an ordinance to ban. Whether we wanted to put in regulatory scheme to control. When we scheduled the work session, but after last Monday's discussion, assuming that ordinance gets passed on second meeting, we've got a moratorium, though it'll be a moratorium in place for 18 months or thereabouts. And so really what I think today's discussion can be, assuming that ordinance passes on second reading is what is the time frame that we want to address this? There's lots of regulatory schemes that we could look at. I mean, the first question is, do we want to, you know, the first question is do you want to continue the moratorium? I'm assuming that answer is yes, with the way the ordinance passed. And then the tonight's discussion is really, during that moratorium, what do we want to do? Do we want to go through a large public input process? Do we want to have you guys have discussion? What do you need from staff to make the decision? There's a whole variety of options out there is how you guys want to process this decision. And that's really what I was hoping to tonight is so we can get a schedule going. If with that deadline of the 31st of 2018, October 31st of 2018, we would need to do some math backwards. For example, you said, hey, we want to allow it, but we want to make sure we've got the right regulatory scheme in place. It's going to take us some time to put those policies and laws in place to make sure it's occurring the way you want to. If it's a discussion of, no, we want to go from a moratorium to an outright ban, then that's a lot easier, less complicated to put together. But we need to kind of get a timeline from you all on how you want to do it. Councillor Circus is point of this council should make the decision. We just need to do that math back from that October 20th. So you're talking two paths. One is a permanent ban and one is not a permanent, but a ban. I hate that word ban in today's world. The other is. And opt out. It was like 106 opt in opt out, you know? That's what I'm doing. But you know, what was very helpful? John drove the last, when I said on council, we dealt with this issue. We had a whole process we went through in terms of getting to the point to determine to do a more torment. We had public comment and I don't remember. We had public comment and feedback from advisory board, the marketing board specifically. At that point, they were engaged in branding discussions, et cetera, and before going forward, the council wanted to hear from them. So we did a lot of that, and we had, that was during the moratorium. And then, I don't know what carried the day for everyone, but the uncertainty of the situation we face right now, what's the new administration going to do. The council of the day decided to be cautious and wait and see what happened after the Obama administration ended. And we still don't know. The latest out is the attorney general is leaning towards allowing the status quo to go forward. Now, during the election and the lead up to his confirmation he indicated differently so but there hasn't been an official position taken on the enforcement memorandum which is essentially what allows it doesn't allow but it gives comfort to states that have enacted regulatory schemes that the feds aren't going to come and confiscate property that is proceeding to be utilized for someone to state regulations. So, there are several paths you can take. I mean, several communities have put it up to. Why just Clinton probably has a good example of that. The Frutal Council enacted a regulatory scheme. And then the voters came in and said, we don't want it, period. And that was that. So they put it to an election. That is also something that you could consider. There's a myriad of ways. But I think what Clint's saying is, if you're leaning towards a regulatory scheme and potential taxing issues, excise tax, occupation tax, there's a whole lot of things out there that the local municipalities can enact. We need a lot of lead time for that. And if you're talking about checking in with your constituents holding public hearings and seeking input from your advisory boards, which was pretty much what was done before, that might not need as much lead time. So I guess we're looking for indications as to what path forward you would like to proceed. And if it's a regulatory scheme, that's gonna be a long series of, I mean, staff could probably have presentations together on the different choices that have been made by a lot of other communities, which I will point out was one of the considerations that the council thought about that several years ago when this was passed, there was a lot of uncertainty out there. And the council wanted to avoid being the trend center and subject to potential lawsuits. And it's much better to follow what is tried and true. Consider it and see if it applies to your community. But there's a certain security in knowing that this isn't subject to a Supreme Court decision that the case is ongoing. So that was also one of the conditions in the findings that the council made in the enactment of the moratorium at that time. So. So the longest period of time from start to finish would be a regulatory scheme, correct? No. I mean, if you decided to submit it to a vote of the electorate, that would probably be the longer. Taxation takes a vote. And so you've got to be prepared to advance in enough time to have it on the ballot. And so, you know, our next ballot will be November. But that's the longest frame. That's the, well, it would also be if you wanted to put it to a vote of the electorate to opt out permanently. So both of those are a taxing element and a question to the voters. Do you not want to permit this here? Those are both come in 18. And just to be clear, you don't have to put it to a vote. Yeah, you don't have to. You don't have to do it with an ordinance yourselves. Just that's the auction. That's the auction. And we use the public process. You can do it with an ordinance yourselves. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction. That's the auction which the council is not bound by a vote of the electorate would probably be more binding. But they could over mean. So an example how many times does the S-curse been voted on? So if we are going to, you know, we're trying to work out a timeline. So and if we took the assumption that we're going to bring this to the voters. We don't obviously don't have to make that determination now or we may not make that determination before 2018. But if that's the longest process to follow, right, then as Clint's requested, let's work out a timeline back, backing up from October 31st or, oh, do we have to, well here's a question. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is back it up from some time in 2018 where we could have an election. And you'd have to certify that question. And work it back. Probably in late August. Yeah, and I don't know the exact date. Well, and work it back. And figure how much, you know, figure what period of time would be necessary for the regulatory drafts, drafting, right? Figure the time necessary for public comment. In addition to the advisory boards, in yesterday's newspaper, Sheryl Tassalvo is making, he's going to conferences and talking about public safety issues around marijuana and recreational marijuana. I think he might be a very good person to have to talk about this, you know, as we're trying to work through this. Another thought is that in the last three years, a lot of things have sort of shaken out of the medical and recreational marijuana business, the business of business. And I think it would be valuable for us to have someone come and speak to us about the business of marijuana. I mean, I happen to know that, you know, two people in town who were in the marijuana business. Marijuana, one of them said to me, you know, there are five different, you know, we always think about this as a dispensary issue. Well, it doesn't have to be a dispensary issue. Of course, there are other parts to marijuana business. So we might decide, we, the community might decide, that there are certain things that we might allow and other things that we would not like to have. So, you know, I'm not educated enough to know, you know, the pros and cons of each of these options, but there are people who understand them, who can explain them to us and the community. And from there, we can make more educated comments. And Brian, you're sitting there, and I think you have to be a part of this too. Well, he will be, but I want to back all the way up before we start down. And I'm going to look to, it seems as though there's many, many tracks that one could go down. That we need to think through versus just backing up from election being, that's a decision. But so track A could be whatever. What are the other towns doing? What are the restrictions? Doing some research. Well, to me, I do know what a lot of towns are doing because of the work that I'm in. There's also many types and strains of cannabis. Some work, some don't for different things. Well, what are those? Then you got the oil business, and now you got this tea business going. There's so many different tracks depending on what. So I don't feel we've done enough homework or research for us to know how to set a timeline tonight. Well, I don't think, I don't think, I think we're asking you a broader question is which direction do you want to go? See I don't know what the direction is. From whatever, from both of you, is you want to start with an information gathering process. Yeah. Right. And that may be over the course of, I'll just say, three to six months of, you know, scheduling experts and, you know, we, at the seminars, we go go to we hear about this pretty much every year through CML and there's a constant and you know a whole new draft of the marijuana rules came out while I was in Mexico so it's and it's about that thick and it's constantly changing which may make the last decision made by council a good one in terms of achieving that goal of letting things become more settled before snowmass village wades into the water. I think we get some information. Well, you're talking about a lot of things, but there's from the regulatory scheme, there's a whole lot of things that go on too, in terms of zoning, taxation. What kind of operations are you going to allow? Bob's dispensaries put their grow facilities, and we've all read about those in the paper. There are manufacturing facilities, which are maybe edible-based, making oil, whatever it is. And there's different risk factors with all of those and different things that are showing up in the experiences of other communities. So it sounds like what you want to start, I mean, what I'm hearing from you and from you is an information gathering Which I think would include the public would include experts and you probably at that point would want to Then refer it out to your advisory boards and It sounds like you want to take the temperature a little bit before you decide What's the regulatory? Let's talk about opt out. Let's talk about a vote. Let's talk about what's an appropriate rate of taxation. What kind of zoning do we want to consider? What kind of permitted operations do we want to talk about? So many decisions. I don't feel adequate to make a decision to nine on which route. Personally. Do I do I want to study it? Yeah. So I think we as a team need to look at what's the best route for us and the only way we can get there first is information gathering. I just want to ask Clint this question because you know Clint kind of kicked this discussion off looking for some direction as to, you know, what we would like from staff and what we would like in a timeline. So if, in fact, we start with, I guess in the near future, with an information gathering kind of concept. Does that give you enough comfort to kind of know what direction with staff and those kinds of things? John said he and I both go to enough of these. I'm very confident between the two of us we can kick this off and give you a broad array of options that are out there to get this conversation going and draw that spectrum from absolutely not to know the holds barred. Exactly. And everything in between and give you that kind of... I've got one other... I don't know, it's a thought because we're talking about potentially putting it out to the electorate. Number one. No, I don't think we are. Okay. Well, it's a, I mean, it's an option. No, let me see this. That's an option, but you don't have the research done first. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no me explaining where I'm going. It's an option that as of today would be on the table. We don't know six months from now if we're going to take it off the table, but as of now it's on the table. So the concept with the ordinance was to extend the moratorium until, you know, this council was up for re-election and a new council would be seated. But if we determine we want to take this option of an election. Should we move that moratorium to some point around the date of the election? Otherwise, the moratorium will expire. The election will be held. I would suggest crossing that bridge when you come to it. Because I think as you start with information gathering, then you're going to have pathways that you'll explore and they may go one way or another. And the language in there, like the one you're considering extending here, provides by ordinance that you can do that. So if you come to a decision that would have to be sometime I'm going to say mid to late August of 18 to place a ballot question on the November 18 election. It'd be a simple matter to extend that moratorium pending the results. Okay. Yeah. I don't want to make the assumption that it's not on the table for me to consider the election because I don't know the options. Right. Consider so. Right. Yeah. So I appreciate the point but. If an election is ruined. I don't want the newspapers who are here to say snowman has to consider. Because then you start getting all the phone calls. We don't know what we're going to do because we don't know. Well, hopefully they'll say that you're taking the baby step of gathering the information so that when you start hearing. Erica got that. So that when you start hearing from your constituency, you won't be going, what are they talking about? You will understand what's in your toolbox and how you can utilize that to effectuate the will of your constituency. And that will be, I don't want to say that'll be the next step, but that will be a future step after you've educated yourselves. Right. So if we go the regulatory route, and then as of August 2018, we decided we want to put it on the ballot. What's the process to get through that regulatory? Are you going through it in fruit, right? Your passing laws. I mean, it's a change to your land use code essentially. But it does it take you 18 months does it take? I mean, so I think the first, we'll get you all the information. And then at some point I'm going to say, you're going to have to make the policy decision are we going to we want to explore allowing it or or do we want to just say you know what we're not even interested in allowing it and then if you say we're interested in allowing it you go down that path and it's like okay where and when and how and under what regulations and are we considering taxation and we start making those decisions we start lining them up and And fundamentally, it would likely end up a change to the land use code, taxing question of the public, subject to whatever else means going about it. But we need to get down that path. I mean, I think for tonight's discussion, or down the path, if you get to the, what we're not even interested in, it's a no, then that gets to be pretty easy. But if the answer is yeah, we want to allow in some way, that's where we start doing the individual questions and say, if this, then this, then this, and we'll line that out for you. But even a longer window, the only question that would have to go to the voters in Johnson Correctome is a taxation question. Everything else you can do by ordinance. So you could enact an entire regulatory scheme with no taxation but completely allow it and let it go forward. And then pass the electric, can pass whatever kind of tax you want it utilized. And it would be in effect once that the question would have an effective January 1, 2019 or whatever date. And then the people that had followed the regulatory scheme would then be subject to the tax. But you could pass a regulatory scheme before the 4th of July this year. I mean, if you were so inclined, I think what I'm hearing, and I don't know if it's a majority or what, but I think what I'm hearing is you want to take a baby step to being fully educated, then you want to do a community outreach to find out which direction that perhaps the community want to go, and then you'll have to make the decision after that. We want to look at a full blown regulatory scheme and of course the community will have input on that and, but. But it wouldn't just be the taxation question. I mean we could go to the public and say, do you want mayor wants? Yes, yes. You can choose whatever question you want to ask them. Okay. Yeah. So, but I guess my point is, so if we go down the regulatory path, what's the timeline? And can we get through that and then get to the point where we get to August 2018, be prepared to put it on the website. Okay. Like John said, we can do it in five months if we knew the direction. Right. You got to figure out the direction, then we can do it. So 18 months, yes. Okay. I mean, I think one of the things that came out in the last week or so is that packaged alcohol sales were outpaced by marijuana sales in Aspen. I mean, that statistic to me was, I mean, I just couldn't imagine that that would be the case. But obviously there's a lot of money. And I don't know that we want to make the decision for snowmass village based strictly on the money. And then what are those, what are we limited to if it is a tax question? I mean could we earmark dollars to go I mean I know that certain amount of it the state funding has to go to brick and mortar School states been that count but for the town I mean we could earmark that to pay for the money that we're currently putting towards the school district I'll leave it there's a lot there's unlimited variety of how you want to do it. Right. I mean, so if we're committing $500,000 a year to the school district and we're trying to sort out where that money is going to come from, you know, if this is an option or it's going to go. Yeah, I'm smoking. I think school district funded by pot. Yeah, it's. But I mean, that's not what I, I'm with you. I'm just smart and sorry. That's how they tried it at the state level. It just makes me, it just, right, right. I'm just, I'm with you all this week. Well, I do hope we did make the decision, as you said, not around the tax, around the money. Yeah, no, I think the first issue is absolutely policy, those kinds of things, you know, that was an argument on both sides. Once you make that decision, then we can figure out from there. Well, it's not easy. It gets easier for sure. But I mean, and that's where, if tonight you guys showed up and said, you know, yeah, we're doing the moratorium because we know we need to get the moratorium for the, it ends March 15, et cetera, et cetera. But we're really not that interested. Let's just ban it. Then great. I mean, that could save a lot of staff for it. But if you guys say, hey, let's put the Morrowtrain in place, get this first level of education done, and then we'll check back in. We can do that too. And like I said, I'm confident that John and I can talk to the five, all the different kind of permits that are out there from, there's the research and development, there's the growth, there's the, I mean, all these kinds of different kinds of, that we can walk you through that can be allowed or not allowed and retail of course and then see where you guys are at and continue this discussion. Yeah, I'm going to get it. And what we can do is we'll schedule it. I want to make sure that you guys got the comp plan in two weeks. Obviously, and that's going to be hot and heavy for a little while so I'll probably schedule it maybe two months out there about some discussing but make sure you can too overwhelmed with you know too many hot topics because this one will heat up I can I can promise you you will hear from everybody on both sides of this after today yeah and we'll get it we'll get about Okay, get your information. I did I did see that email from mr. Dubbie I don't know That's his last name, D you be I thought that was kind of Interesting, didn't you share that? Yeah, it's not just with you two. Oh, okay interesting. Didn't you share that? Yeah, it's not just with you too. Oh, okay. Nice nice name. Yeah. No, I think it was smoking. Oh, great man. So do we want to change the date or I think over 2018. You know my only encouragement to you would be to move this faster than slower because in my personal not professional opinion as you get into the heat of an election season, decisions get made for maybe sometimes not the most solid reasons. Yeah, I'm really... Is that delicate enough? Yeah, I think it's... Yeah, I think we need to be... Let's see, the two tie together as we were talking about last week. I think it's poor judgment on our part to try to tie election season in marijuana. There's other big issues. Like the co-planners, a lot of stuff come out of the co-pland. And I think with the deadline that you modified this too, that you are going to have to make those decisions, basically, I mean, the nominating petitions go out in early August and you will have to be well on your way to a taxation question if that's the decision you make. And if you make that decision that we want to opt out permanently and that is in the purview of the town council that can be done without a vote or extend the moratorium. Those should all be taken care of before that starts. That's purely personal advice to all of you. Totally agree. Some dates fine. Okay. Yeah, the dates fine. date's fine. Yeah, the date's fine. The date's fine. Because you can always do it faster. So you'll come back with research and again? We'll do a full brief on all the options. That's probably where we'll start. And then you will direct us as to what kind of expert, you know, will kind of lay out this big roadmap and you'll point us where you want to go and then we'll bring more people and those will probably be more public so that the public is hearing the information that you're getting as well. What's the deal? Quiet. You're all quite on this issue. Are you fine with that, Rick? Yeah. No, I just Bob said what I was going to say. So I just don't need to repeat it. And I just, I mean, I agree. I mean, I think part of it really is information gathering. I mean, you were here on the last time. None of the rest of us were. I really don't know how people feel in general. I mean, you know, I'll talk to people here near, but I think that's the most important thing is to really just get a pulse on the community and what people think. And that sounds like what we're gonna do. So. You know, it would be my hope, and I hope all of your hope that as well as information gathering, educating us, we'd be educating or offering the community an opportunity to become more educated as well. And if it goes well, and if we can get it done right, one of our goals is connectivity with the community. This might be something that would get people thinking about, hey, what's council talking about and come and listen. I could see community forums outside of council chambers. Yeah, one example. Yeah. So perhaps we can make something more out of this than just the subject matter. Yeah, I mean, I think it's been interesting to see where the solvo has come down on the issue. But since Brian's here, I'd like to hear your thoughts as well. I don't mind if I can come to you. I'll be brief. With the marijuana council, there's really been no empirical evidence that the legalization of marijuana has created a spike in usage or law enforcement problems. And I'd have to concur with that that we locally are not seeing any increase of any public safety issues related to the legalization of marijuana. Obviously, the big challenges to the adolescents in school and that message and that's forever going to be a challenge and I don't think there's enough data to show where that is at the moment. As the head law enforcement official in the town, I don't have any fear. As far as public safety of there being a dispensary in the village, on the fence I could go either way be fine without it and I think we could manage with it So I don't I'm not in any worry over that you know I was gonna ask you on the marijuana council does Who represents the health care industry on the council to report what's occurring in the ERs Hospital house representation there hospital has representation there. Okay. Dr. Blank, right at the moment, who that is. And we've been seeing just lots of surveys and studies done on usage and things like that. And there's just not a drastic spike of any abuse in a sense. But I think, you know, time will tell as well. You know, we don't, as far as driving under influence of marijuana, I don't think we have statistics on that because we just can't get wrap our minds around identifying who's doing it and who's not. We do have a standard for testing, but determining who's using while they're driving is still a difficult task and left only to those with specific training, which makes it more difficult. You get a lot of anecdotals, but the end of the year. Yeah, a lot of, yeah. You get a sense of anecdotals but the interesting. Yeah a lot of yeah you get a sense you get a feeling but when you're talking facts that doesn't play. That's what we need is facts. Right. Thanks my two cents thank you. Thank you for your two cents. Okay, direction is information gathering. We'll get it going. Okay. Next item is town council goals. Maybe you've got electronically, we've got Mars. Ron has got some paper versions of someone onto paper version and bring something with him. When did this come out? Friday morning. Why not see this Friday morning? Oh, we just gave that to that. Oh, you had electronically Friday. I sent it to you guys Friday morning. Friday night. I'll pick it up. I got an electronic booklet. I need to let the paper go to waste. So really, this is, you know, so you guys met January 24th if I remember right? How it was on on I'd like just like that's a reason why. Yeah, it was an email. Yeah, I didn't all confess. I didn't get it done on Thursday and time for the back of the go. I got it done Thursday night and so it went out Friday morning. So. Nice one. Yeah, I'm sorry. But so this is the first shot. You guys met later in January, I think January 24th on Council goals. You see behind, well, what you got included was, you know, kind of a summary of the process and the words that you guys kind of came up with during that meeting. You guys asked for a summary that came from the department directors kind of through our staff level process. So that was included. And on that first, that top page was an off-ranking. That's my first shot at this thing. And I really was hoping to do tonight is, is it close? What do you think? I want to keep tweaking, but I didn't want to, I wanted, this is your document that you're given direction to staff on. And I wanted to kind of get a first read from you all about, hey, what do you think in the categories right? You know, it's difficult to kind of put four hours of discussion and page in a half. And so there's certainly some thoughts that are left off. There are certainly some thoughts that might have been more exaggerated. I mean, there's no doubt that I'm sure my bias factors in there was some of this stuff. Full confession. And so there you go. That's right. You also get first crack. I confess it. And so, you know, this is the first shot at it, and it's purposely said it first draft. You know, last year you guys went through this probably, I didn't really look it up, but we brought it back to you three or four times to make sure that it was, you know, close and something that, you know, we were really, could you get issues identified that you wanted us to focus on? You know, what I always say when I'm talking to the guys I work with, the folks that all the directors and the staff is, this is the stuff that the councilman wants to focus on, just because some things aren't mentioned in here, doesn't mean we don't focus on them. You know, a real easy example for this is like, you know, asphalt painting. We're up, allowing, might be me. We're always gonna put public safety safety issues first, just because it's not here, it doesn't mean we're going to quit doing it. These are things that your direction is a council that you want to make sure we've got a higher level of focus on that you've got prioritized in our work plans in an appropriate manner to make sure that we're really making progress on these issues. So all that said, I might just take two seconds and let you know how I, you can read it, but how it's categorized. You know, I did the whole, I put a lot of the words and kind of the, the, the comp plan on purpose because I've heard on multiple times from you and from staff, like how do the two work together? And I'm just trying to make sure that this plan, this work project, goes in conjunction with the comp plan. This is way less formal of a process. This is much more short term. And then affordable housing, you get this talked about considerably, I've got that identified community connectivity. That's what the issue that Councillor Circus was just talking about. You know, there's the actual exchange of information back and forth. And then there's also the actual physical infrastructure type connectivity safety. Who's talking about that? That's the category kind of tried a bunch of the physical improvements underneath. Resiliency was something this council talked about and that's the new term I think that we're trying to make sure that we're you know fiscally resilient, that we're economically resilient, that we're environmentally resilient. Regionalism was the thing that came up a couple of different times. I didn't know where to put that, but to make sure that we're not living by ourselves up in the Bush Creek Valley, that we're actually communicating with everybody. And then we listed a bunch of projects, and I think I got most of my identified, but I didn't know where exactly to put the entryway, but it was clear that I identified the future for the entryway needed to be done. And so I just plopped it there. It's not very articulate or clean probably, but that's kind of right. It's okay, short, sweet. So that's my first shot. And honestly, I got, this is the thick skin. You stuck that. I'm not stuck. I think it's this. It's this. Oh, it's down on like you were like, are you nervous? I think I am. I didn't like that. No, it was irritating. No, I bet you it's Bill. I bet you, look, it's your feet. You're moving the cord. I'm blaming you. I'm blaming count. It's all your fault. No, it's coming from your mic. I don't climp. I've been talking. What do you think? Well, I have a few comments. Lots, I hope. Well, yeah, I have a few comments. But just on the heading of the different things, I really, that second one with community connectivity, I feel like we should change that because I know what you're trying to say, but I think because of the CCP plan all I think about is buses and people crossing streets and I mean maybe it's just changing it to connectedness or I don't know but there's I just didn't like that heading because I felt like I knew what we were trying to say but all I kept thinking about was buses. I think communication is a good move. Yeah something like just you know community building or whatever it is. Like just something that is different than connectivity because I feel like our brains all go to that other place when we say connectivity. So in the answer community, you want something different is what you're saying? No. No. The community connectivity call it community building. In that paragraph that says community connectivity. I also community wants something different is what you're saying. No. No. No. The community connectivity call it community building. In that paragraph that says community connectivity. Under the areas of primary focus. So yeah, I thought he got it. Right. Right. In the first instance. No, no, no, I think it's right. I'm just saying that the whole thing is just a matter of me. And. And. And. And. I get it just bothering me. What I'm gonna suggest then is community engagement rather than community. That's what the first sentence is. And community engagement, that's totally fine. But also in that first paragraph, there's the word opportunities like six times and that made me crazy. And that would be an acceptable number too. I do use the SARS-R authentication but like I said, I didn't get my homework done on time, so I was a little stressed. No, no, no, it's fine. I just... Sorry, Professor. I mean, I knew what we were trying to do with paragraph, and I feel like in terms of what we were trying to communicate. That was, I mean, this sums it up very well. Also, the only thing I thought maybe that was missing was somewhere in there talking about, using the word opportunity again, innovative opportunities, because we talk a lot about, like we talked about the incubator and bringing in, like, you know, trying different things. And so, I didn't, unless I missed it, I feel like innovation should be in there. Just. Yeah, okay. And I know there was an alternative, I thought I got it, but I can track with it. I don't think it, I didn't think it was in there. I didn't see innovation. But what I thought was. I'm not risk taking on top. Right. Yes, you do. Yes, right. Talk about risk taking. But what I thought was really cool in general was just when you looked at what we created and then you looked at what came out of the director's notes. I mean, the overlap was really neat just to see all the different things. I mean, basically, it was the same. For like that. Yeah, which is great. I mean because I think you'd be really concerned if you looked at it It would be miserable if those two different lists right right? We're in a good spot. I mean Well the other part would be the alignment with the community So I mean you've got three different target target audiences If you well that we're working on one is community alignment right town goals and staff goals Right then we got the perfect place where we did stuff. Right. Look at John. Well, and that was speaking of that. That was one of the things that I noticed on their list that was that the only thing that we didn't really talk about in ours is they have. They have that section that was high quality of town governance and one of the things they're talking about is recruiting and maintaining employees and we don't really touch on that in here. Just specifically, just in terms of keeping ourselves great as a town in terms of the quality of the people that we hire and when we talked about the programs we want to offer but we didn't really talk about staff. Well, it was one of the purposes for our request to get a human resources director, right? So that we would maintain staff and employee satisfaction. and employee satisfaction, if you want. I guess, I suppose we have a responsibility to follow up with that at some point during the year. Yeah, I'd be interested once we get the individual. She's here now, isn't she? Today? Where's her office? interested once we get the individual. And she's here now, isn't she? Today? Oh, good. Where's her office? Right, by the between the elevator and the conference room. OK. That's one of the thoughts that I had was let our get her feet wet. And then she had boots on up to her knees today. So I'm going to go up. Yeah. And all the snow is melting. And then she had boots on up to her knees today. So, yeah. And all the snow is melting. There you go. There you go. Because what you really want to do is see some reporting features and some metrics on what we're seeing in HR. So that could become a significant counsel goal if we see some hiccups. Right. And we saw from the employee survey last year that the state of our human resources within the town is not too bad. So now we need to really zero in and dial in to see what the issues might be. So I feel like somehow incorporating that into our goals would be really important. Can you do that? I can do all of that. I think you're absolutely right. But I don't want to lose the connectivity because I think that that's really an important goal for us as to how do we, we got to keep focusing on like that. What what part of connectivity are you concerned about that that's not in here. Physical connectivity. Oh, okay physical connection. Okay. Okay. Okay. Is the community engagement which I think is important. Yeah. But I don't want to take our eye off the. Well, I think that's in there. But I think they should be two separate things. I mean, I think you should super important, but I don't want to take our eye off the floor. I think that's in there. But I think they should be two separate things. I mean, I think you should have community engagement. And then when you talk about safety, maybe safety and, you know, physical connectivity is, is, you know, that's what, I mean, the safety. Right. That's what I'm saying. It's more or less inclusive that. But maybe you put, you can change that. You can add a little bit more about the physical connectivity to that one. Because that community connectivity section community engagement now is more, you know, I can have a separate headache. Yeah. Yeah. But just call the connectivity is the physical. The engagement is the people to people. I mean, that's what, you people. We can do that. I mean, that's what Brian's the handyman of the Brian and Joe. I think Andy, that was kind of their thing. This is a safety issue. That's why it's important. Let's recognize why we're dealing with it. Right. Yeah. I mean, every time I see somebody walking from the mall over to the palisades on the side of the road there, I mean, it's just, you can't see them. And they're always walking along that road. Here's even one of the slippery spots. Oh, yeah, see you again. You can see. Yeah. We're doing the other night when I went up to Reblunding. But coming up to Council, there was this young lady that comes across the conical. You're 10 feet away from the crosswalk. But what does she do? Walk right across the street to get through the bus stop. Oh my god. I went... What's with you? What's with you? I knew it was working. Well that was like when I was coming in at a medicine bow in 82. There are these two people walking across the road. I was like, you're going to get hit. I mean it was the worst. It was a really not not smart. That was like, you're going to get hit. I mean, it was the worst. It was the really not not. That's a small stop with raft. Does they let off? I don't want to interrupt. No, just in that section on community engagement that last sentence, I would say activities including performing in visual arts. Take out art and music and put performing in visual arts. It sounds more. But very last. Under community engagement, the last paragraph. So tell me again what you want cultural activities. including performing in bit of the role arts visual arts. I mean that was all I had on that section. I don't know if anybody has other stuff on that section. No, no, that's it. Anybody else have other stuff on that section? On the resiliency, I keep looking for, we had environmental fiscal safety transportation. Okay. Okay, so as long as we get environmental in there. Yeah. Because the ice rink is closed, and I don't like that. One thing. Well, we're on that resiliency paragraph. Yeah, because the ice rink is closed and I don't like that. What one thing Well, we're on that resiliency paragraph There was something about the Something about the the second and third line of lines We we we separated out economic development and other issues, which the whole, those two sentences just seemed awkward to me. It felt like there was either something missing or in some way they needed to be tied together. And I mean, even a couple of minutes ago, Clint, when you were saying the subject of resiliency came up and you said, yes, we need economic, you know, economic, environmental, and fiscal and safety, you included economic in that list. We are here, you separated it out. And honestly, I don't understand the reason for separating it out. And maybe that's what's- I was trying to add emphasis, but I mean it's in the first set. And I can make it cleaner and there's no doubt. Yeah, just, but- My goal was to say they're actually emphasized the resiliency of economic, and we need to make sure that we can do things sustain ourselves and support ourselves economically. Big no. What's this thing? That's what I had to say. Sustainability was. Sustainability. Economics is sustainability. Well, sustainability is not in the whole thought. Yeah, that's true. I was kind of scratching, and it seems like it should be it I was trying to use anybody understand, but you said it so I don't Put it in there. Yeah, no, I think a couple of places in the beginning there and In the resiliency I agree. I had that circle Yeah, I was trying to emphasize and if if that's the right path, I can make that. Sure. All right. It's easy. And under, we have Pick and County listed under community connectivity or community engagement. And then we have Anderson Ranch under resiliency, but it would seem that Anderson Ranch should be, you know, in that paragraph where we're talking about. Visual and performing arts. Exactly. Okay. Yeah, and you know, the Anderson Ranch, and my notes were fuzzy at that point, but it was almost the economic engine of Anderson Ranch is why I was over here. Okay. They bring so many folks in. Mm-hmm. And so maybe both spots, but I... Well, I think you could, where you say exploring partnerships with other organizations such as Picking County Library, Anderson Ranch, et cetera. City of Aspen, Grace. I think you know, ases is a good idea. Yeah. Well, I'm going right back to the beginning when you're ready, Clint. Okay, so I just want to make sure Anderson Ranch needs to be under the, with the performing arts fact of that and get aces in there somehow as a partner. Well, I think you should just say pick and county library, comma, Anderson Ranch, comma, aces, whatever. I mean, just add those in because those, you know. Yeah, and last time you guys had some specific organizations just to say, hey, let's make sure we think about. I don't know about it, ACEs, and I'll tell you why. We are waiting for ACEs to tell us they want to be, they want to coordinate with us. Anderson Ranch is already in town. Anderson Ranch already impacts the economic sustainability. Asus has barely any presence. How about challenge aspirin? Challenge aspirin, yes. But let's keep it to places that are already here. Well, asus is here. Yeah, because they give nature walks. What does that really do to our economics sustainability? Well, life center on the top of L camp. I mean, people like nature things. I mean, especially if you're a person that doesn't ski. I would be more inclusive and talk about organizations. Okay. That bring vitality throughout Pick and County or the Roaring Fork. Oh, in more general. And not single out. And not single out people. I don't know if I'd single out anyone because there's a front to choose. So I like that too. Because then we don't get into the problem that we got into the last two years ago. I can get a shot. In the first paragraph, Clint, the lessons where you start, it is assumed and anticipated. I know that we all think that this goal setting statement is going to be in line with the comp plan review. But I personally would prefer not to say that it was assumed or anticipated and maybe just word that along the lines of the goals identified in this document will be compared to the policies incorporated in the comp plan review. I think it says the same thing as what you're trying to say. The goals identified in this document will be compared to the policies incorporated in the comp plan review. That's good. You're mean what? Just because they're compared. Then when are you? And we want to bring them into alignment. And aligned as necessary. Yeah. Okay. Okay. How are you laughing? Oh, because if you don't align your strategic goals with your comp plan, you can sit here longer. That's two. That's two. Okay. In that second paragraph, do you have more? Did you have something in that second paragraph? No, I'm good. I think. In that second paragraph, where it says, Council wants to ensure we remain thriving, charming, do remain thriving. Hold on, let me, let me count for you. That sounds weird to me. Ed. What? Ed should be before it. It's remain AIDS-riding. It's remain AIDS-r What? A should be before it. Remain A thriving. Yeah, I was like, there's something wrong with it. Oh yeah, A, yeah. Where are we? I'm sorry. So in the third sentence of the second paragraph in the top, it says the council wants to ensure we remain A thriving, you're missing the word A. I'm going to say you have a close-up with community. And you need to close it with community. Yeah. Emotionally connected community. I think you need to stick a sustainable in there too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Make sure. I know it's fine. I'm just, I think resiliency will, that's fine. I mean, I agree. OK, I'm explaining to him though, because through the years like Oh, wait through 11 and 12 sustainable was like The word now here we are. It's it's gone from the vernacular. So I it's okay. It's all this okay and then in that in the Two senses later when you say looking for creative solutions for the issues before us. I hate that word issues. I mean I just feel like it means that we have all these problems and I feel like some of the creative solutions aren't for issues. Some of the creativity is just bringing more vitality. I just I don't know. That's a good issue. Just you just take that Yeah, your favorite word Clint opportunity. You just told me I use it to You don't use it really in that paragraph Well, no, this is the big one. It's fine You could take creative solutions and just remove for the issues before us Right, I said looking for creative solutions and recognizing that high quality creative approaches work Requiring reasonable risk what she's saying is solutions indicates problem. Oh, is that what you're saying? Well, yeah, I'm saying that. I feel like. Well, I think that we want to be creative in our planning, in creative and maybe ideas we come up with to resolve things that maybe issues. But I just sounds like we have all these issues. And I just don't know. Well, if you're looking for creative solutions, do you not like the word issues or you're not like the word solutions? Well, I don't like the word issues, but to have solutions, you have issues. You have to have solutions. No, no, you have problems. I just feel like, I don't know. No, no, no, you have problems. I just feel like I don't know. We want to be creative, but not just to resolve problems we have, but also to just be different and unique, which is what we're trying to say. I don't know. I just don't like the word issues. Makes us look like we're a problem child. And see, I just, I think it's fine, but. But that's just me. I mean, if it doesn't bother anyone else, you can keep it. Well, there is a point for issues. Well, maybe you don't have an issue, but you have a creative solution for how we're going to connect people for made as Z. That's not a problem. That's not an issue. And that's fine. That would be fine. Okay. Let me see what I can do. Okay. Because also, too, in that sentence, you use creative training. That's weird. I got to trust me. I have got no pride of authorship on this. I was really surprised. You switched one of them to innovators. Creative and the other one's innovators. Dresser is really good about just kind of stuff. Wordsmithing is a little. I would write this picture. Sorry you. You choose to embrace this uniqueness by looking for creative ways. Oh, there you go. So we say it again. Creative ways. Creative ways to continue or to, you know, to perpetuate this uniqueness while recognizing that high quality, creative, approach is required taking reasonable risks. That's fine. Thank you for rewriting that sentence. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I took it out. No, he didn't. Yes. I didn't. I took it out. No, he did. And the section on affordable housing. Yes. In the and the thing that came from the department directors. Under housing, they, you know, they talk they talk about like providing younger community members, opportunities for housing to create a vibrant community. I mean, I feel like we focus on seniors and trying to figure out how to make it work for them, but I don't know that that really speaks to what the directors were talking about. Seniors are not in this section. What? The young kids want to check the seniors out so they can out the place and let them. And I could put what I says to. That's true. Opportunities need to be explored to house our seniors. And I can say and I can I say other individuals, but I can make that more specific and broaden that up to them. I mean, I just kind of, I, this multi-generational approach. Yeah. Thanks, that's perfect. And I think that staff comment in there was more about the generation below us. Mm-hmm. Yeah, younger? Yeah. The you? Generation. No, all of us. We're talking 20 and 30 year olds. Yeah, that's what I thought they. That's the though. And it could be. Yeah, basically post collegiate can't come back here and live. They may have lived here their whole lives. And they can't afford to come back. There's not opportunities for permanence to that. Colleges can't come back here and live. They may have lived here their whole lives, and they can't afford to come back. There's not opportunities for permanence to that next generation. And that's the problem. And I'm saying that didn't seem like it was being addressed. And if you're okay, I can, I can. I mean, if we don't believe that, that's one thing. But I just, I thought, I liked, I noted that. Okay. If you're all okay with that, I can put some of that in. We need throughput. Put that in. No. We want throughput, you know, young. We'll then to, okay, you know, the house is up in rodeo place. Can't get my house. Crossing. Crossing is a turnover faster. Crossing is a turnover faster. The, yeah, that's true. It's still gonna be slow the single sentence on regionalism And so and this is why I was so thin on that one was honestly like I wanted to make sure that my notes kind of said Hey, we're open to it, but no one actually ever said This needs to be a thoughtful I did I didn't hear thoughtful. I did. I did. I did. I probably, that's why I was silent. I was silent. But I don't, I wanted to make sure there was a buying. And if I need to beat that section up, I can absolutely beat that section up. But some of these things, like I said, I wanted to make sure I wasn't making it up or I wasn't putting my own buy. Most regionalization on transportation housing, public health, I mean you could go on public health as well. I had recreation and educational and we're already involved in all those, I mean so not. I wasn't broadening it. And I think what I was trying to, the point that I heard was hey we need to make sure we're engaging with everybody that we can outside of the village on these issues. I totally agree. And that's it, I can beat that up a little bit. Well yeah, my point was that I think that we're beyond very open. I think that that's not really strong enough as to how we feel about looking at regional solutions to some of these problems. Proactive? You want to be proactive? Or am I going to come up with something? Proactive, committed, I mean. Inclusive? Okay. You want to proactive or am I going to come up a sec? Yeah, proactive, committed, I mean inclusive. Okay, and that's great. And again, that's me trying to, my hearing are right. And if I'm saying I'm not strong enough, I can be that I'm strongly interested. I like committed. Yeah, committed is saying the direction we need to go. Okay. Under that. So you're committed to all issues? I just said that the question. No, I wouldn't be so. I would change the verb too. I would, I was on the tone of my tongue, not investigating, committing to participating in regional approaches to whatever you want to list the state transfer. My list was transportation housing recreation education in public health because those are the ones I can think we are already and we're currently involved. Yeah, and if you want to do reach out to I mean you could add environmental you could add that list can go on forever. I know but I'll come I can okay but the changes, it's not open to being investigating. We're committed to participating. Right. Let's make sure, okay, great. On that safety section, that first sentence, I feel like it needs to be changed. And maybe something like continue to focus our efforts on addressing safety concerns within the village. And then this includes physical improvements from pedestrians, transit users you need to nest and bike riders. How about those physically challenged to disable? Here's another question on safety. Since we have so many guests that come from other places of the world where English is challenging for them, how do we deal with some of our signage? Are we using primarily all international signs? That's right. Our traffic signs are. And we think for our information sign, the information center, the I. We just changed that in the last year from the letter of ease to have to the international. So we're trying to focus on those things. Do you want me to repeat the first round? Yeah, would you say Mr. Cernan? Continue to focus our efforts on addressing safety concerns with the- Hold on a moment, I'll start. Continue to focus our efforts. On addressing safety concerns within the village. I only say that because it just sound, making the community as safe as possible, it just sounded kind of lame. On addressing safety concerns in the village? Yeah, within the village. And then transit users with an app. Got that one. That got that one. In it should be multi-use trail systems. Is it gonna be? Or is it system? Our trail system. A system? Yeah, I think the system. I'll show you the system. Yeah, because it has hour and time. Okay. I mean, under projects we have entryway. It's the only thing we have going on. Well, I'm trying to plug them all in our place else. That's the one I couldn't plug. Right. I mean, the entryway, I mean, I think we should always kind of try and envision what we want the entryway to be. But I mean, as I've stated before, before I think the entry way our entry is here and Down at the village that's or down at the town park is No, I have I have a hard time saying that's the entry to our town so And we're gonna have a fire station there for the next 18 months So it's it's kind of hard to envision something there when it's going to be the fire station. Well, but I think this is just talking about defining and designing. Yeah, so that can be done in the next 18 to 24 months. Yeah, sure enough. And we've got money in the budget. So, you know, through the comp plan, that's one of the areas of emphasis that it's the center of the mall and the entryway are the three areas that we said we really want to focus on design. So my hope is, and I think what I heard you guys say is let's do something. To the comp plan, we'll hear a lot of stuff and then we put money in the budget actually to take whatever concepts come out of the comp line and then put some detail He would afterwards and so so what I hear Bill saying is we need to be congruent in our language and our In our vernacular about what is the entryway bill suggesting it's here at the roundabout and suggesting it's here at their roundabout. And everyone else thinks the entry way is when you first come in, we're at Park Stationers. Maybe not everyone else, but. There's Bill and everybody else. The way that is right now. I might go up for everybody going out. We just thought that. We identified that area as the entry way. So every, every. He's all of them. But don't we have the other side? Every, every, every. He's all of them. I'm the one who have the other side. You'll come to us. That one you get up to build us. That's a real valid point. The question is how do you change the paradigm? And you know, that's, I think you're a devastated, it's not a town park. We call it, we call it, we use this. Yeah, well, the parkland maybe yeah, I mean really I think that the that area down there is is really dedicated more to the community and You know this is this is our Village or commerce and everything takes place up here. So is that a community campus down there eventually? Yeah, I mean well, I think the town park is really So if I call it if I call it the town park is really. So if I call it the town park, clearly define the development of town park in completed design that improves, I can come up with some English to make the work. But the point when you were just talking, then I realized too, is that we didn't really, I mean, we identified improved vitality of West Village and Center. So maybe you just have a section that's about, you know, bringing vitality to the various nodes and improving the entryway and, you know, creating more life in those other areas. I mean, because we didn't, we don't really talk about those other two areas. You probably see a proposal at some point for West Village. So maybe we just... And I think you'll see a proposal for the center as soon as the complex plan is done. Right. But maybe we sort of have a section that sort of addresses the notes, the various notes and bringing vitality, which I mean I think part of doing the entryway is to create a different sort of vital life down. And that's where I needed to hear this because I was thinking that your goal, some of your stuff you talked about, you want it to be complete and it looks incomplete at this point. And so I thought the goal was, hey, this is going to find a product down there and then it wasn't a vitality goal, it was more of a, that's no what it's going to look like. Let's figure out what everyone's going to fit and start taking those steps to make that happen. Perhaps you might want to think about town council. Welcome's new projects or some type of projects coming forward to improve the vitality of the town. Such projects would include Town Park, West Village, Center, etc. But don't make it all inclusive, and that's all you've been to consider. Are you giving Erica her line for the, for the newspaper tomorrow? Giving her that. It sounded pretty good. Oh, I didn't even say that. I said, they were good to write it down, bring it. I'm gonna write it too. It sounded pretty good. Oh, I'm not giving it to her. Is it going to get her right down? Pretty good. Would you write it too? Yeah, would you please write it, Eric? Come on. Oh, she wasn't over. You want to write. I'm not good at it. We're expecting to get right in time. So the idea is, so vitality to different people. We welcome new projects or consideration of new projects to include that will increase the vitality of our community to include West Village, the Center, Town Park, even, well even base village. Even base village, sure. All of our notes. But I think it, I think it's that. And for blue, I think it. And blue, blue, blue, blue. How many of you know what I'm on? Yeah. I mean, I think just by making entryway its own little thing It seems like everything else is like don't know more anymore, right? Okay, yeah, okay So let me see I got enough give you a second draft is what I got I like second draft And third oh geez second drafts and third. Oh geez. And fourth. You're going to work with Smith and next. Okay. Anything else? Was there anything missing? I mean, did they kind of get my great job? I think you covered it. I think you covered things pretty well. Great job, guys. I think it was great. And I think it was helpful to see what the director said, because it brought out any other things you miss. Yeah. Appreciate you doing that. It's 6.04. I got to go. Is there anything else to come before? So to work. I want to talk to you just two seconds. I saw a note you just said. Well, you sent earlier. Oh, right. I'm going to need you. Well, I think Bob had a couple questions too. And we went run through them on the on Clint's letter. Just on Friday memo. Full update. Oh, on that other memo. Yeah. I've got yours again. You've got my comments. I have a comment. Yeah. Go ahead. Do you want to take this offline? It's up to you. I don't know what kind of questions we got. I can. Go ahead. You said the Aspen Institute is continuing their community forum process. It'd be good. I'm not aware of where that's taking place. I'd like to just get up today on it. So you're not invited. There's the Aspen Institute set it up. You know, we participated. They've got, they chose the people that are on their committee. The mayor's one. Yep. And Rose. David Peckler's one and then Rose. And so I don't even, I don't know when their next meeting is honestly. I just know that they're continuing and they're trying to get something. It's this Thursday. Is it? And so that's, I didn't, I don't even know what those meetings are. It gets into the vision, the vision of transportation for the, it's just the upper mobility, but for the entrance to Aspen, even though we call it something else. And my goal is just to make sure you knew that, hey, there's the Aspen Institute effort, there's the Picking County effort, which is through the EOTC. And then, RAPTA. RAPTA. So there's a, you feel like we're aligned. Yeah, basically what happened at the last meeting is RAPTA did the same presentation we've already seen. Mm-hmm. We saw EOTC, I think we've seen about five times now. This week they will not be there. Rose and Dave are going to have to carry the message on transportation but really it's more of a think tank in terms of solutions. Are they thinking that rail is a viable option? They haven't zeroed in on any particular solution because one of the values or its values added, its values against cost. So that one said we're so far down the pike in terms of looking at options and the economic viability that we're supposed to be done by April. Margie? So have they looked at how they discussed how to get, well, I won't jump to conclusions. How have they discussed the S curves? It's broader than that. It's more high level than that. Well, okay. Are there other options? Right now, the very first one that was presented was a Ralph Trimpanning option. So, what will happen is whatever options might exist is against criterion for evaluation. And one of them is cost, one is friendlyness and environmental issues, one is you created what people use it, those types of questions. So was Ralph's option? The light rail. Oh, the thing he's doing for. Yes, that we saw at ELTC. OK. Yeah, on the rafter here. OK, did anybody have a chance to go look at the electric bus that they brought? I saw it driving around. I know David Peckler was there. Yeah, David, and they came in to Snowmass, which I did not know. Yes,ler was there. Yeah, David, and they came in to snowmast, which I did not know. Yes, it was driving. And I turned on to Bush Creek when I was a little bit. Well, the question that I asked about the protero at Rafft of the other day was it only sits, seats. It's not sits. Seats 66 passengers, which is smaller than our current Rafft busses. So if we, I think it's great from an environmental perspective, but if you want Mr. Scatterin, if you want fewer buses coming in to Aspen, that's not the solution. I asked John Peacock, I think. No, it was Kruger. It was Kruger. Yeah, it was John Kruger. I asked John Kruger in an email what the purpose, you know, what his goal was for bringing this thing here. And what he told me was that they were looking at this to see if it was viable as a replacement for some of the diesel hybrid, current diesel hybrid buses in 2020 issue. Or aspen? For aspen. And the biggest issue that they had was, could it basically charge itself in whatever period of time it needed to so they could put it back on the roots and keep it running and what it would be like in the snow conditions. Anyway, seems like if they're already complaining about too many buses, but there's a lot of math. We now was talking to David Peckler about it. I mean, I can't remember the numbers he used exactly, but there's about, I believe it was a 40% premium almost to go one of those buses to go electric over what we do. And so just from that sheer number, it's pretty difficult for us to justify. Yeah. And so that's, I mean, Aspen buys their own ruin stock. So that's their call. David was there just looking at it. We haven't said yes or no or anything, but that price tag gets to be pretty significant. And the technology continues to improve. Well, it just seems and Bob and I had this conversation about, you know, if the mayor of Aspen wants fewer buses and we're spending a lot of money building a new bus station at Ruby Park and we're have dedicated bus lanes and we're building our infrastructure around buses. I mean, I just don't get the logic that I just can't see light rail being cost effective alternative. Especially for snowmass, we're going to tell people to get off at the intercept line and go to ask them. I think what will eventually happen is the cost will be so exorbitant. And I totally agree with you. And the voters of Aspen have to have to have the appetite and willingness to vote yes, like rail system. I think this is me and it's only me and don't put it in the paper. Good time television just saying no. I know. They were working on the gorsuch tonight. We all know about the rail banking issue, the access control plan. And one of the topics last Thursday was, talent glimlet springs is really moving to try to do some breaks, some changes to the rail banking to say that rail banking can be broken because RAPTA owns the trail. And therefore, even though we have to deal with the transportation authorities both at the state and federal and the way the funding happened, we might have to give some of that grant money back. And the reason why talent glenn would, they want to have more breeder opportunities to break rail banking through crossings. So as I think about it and I was talking with, oh I did say it, I said really what you really need to think about is this light rail, you can have two trails side by side within the rail grain trail, the way it's set up legally. So you could have a light rail coming all the way from Glenwood Springs up into Aspen. That's the only thing that would be affordable. And I said we are very short-sighted if we're only focused on breaking the crossings to enhance Glenwood Springs. We all need to think 20 years or 30 years down, apply to how we're going to move people up and down this corridor. Because it's only going to get worse. That's right. So that's why I asked John Kinney the question about the number of vehicles that we're going to come. That was a good question. You know, out of that airport. I mean, there's a lot of vehicles. There was like, I don't know, I can look up the number. But in 20, 20, 28 or 20, 33, there was like 70,000 more vehicles a year coming out of there, according to their numbers. Now, I don't know if we'll be around, some of us will be, some of us may not be, but by the point of me. But that's a lot more traffic on 82 that if it becomes vehicle traffic, I mean, this place will be a standstill. Well, and that's one of my personal angst about the upper mobility study, which is the entrance to Aspen. If you don't focus on the entire Roaring Pork Valley, then shame on us. And this has been instant, guess what it's focused upon. The entrance. Yes. Well, the entrance, I mean, at some point the tax payers and aspen, the voters and aspen have to figure out whether they, you know, they're either going to end up having a town where nobody can move through it or they're going to have to do something about the entrance. They're going to have to make it easier to get through town. Otherwise, the town's going to come to a standstill. That assumes they want people there. Well, the merchants want people there. I totally agree, but Bill raises a real good point I mean you know you start looking at this light rail you know 490 some thousand dollars for spending for this study yeah yeah to decide again that we don't want light rail. So as a result, today, my feeling is the day that we have that EOTC meeting and we come back and they come back with the result that, you know, light rail is impractical and we ready to go with, but we need to continue to go with bus. The next comment should be to Steve's gathering. All right, Steve, when are you going to promote the S-curve solution and get that passed by the voters? Because there's no other option, buddy. You don't want, you know, rails to expensive, gauntola is somewhat impractical. That's the only thing it's left. And your town's gonna die because you have no place to put your employees and they can't get there. Now people are tired of sitting in cars or even on buses that are blocked. Yeah. Yeah. So. If we're done with that. Since we'll never solicit. We're done with that. We're done with that. We're done with that. And so, is the ice rink, are we done at the ice rink? Or are we, I'm 99% sure we're done. So, we're not going to put it, like, if it gets cold, are we not going to put any effort towards it? Because it takes, I'd have to get the dates for you, but from what I understand, I mean, it takes a couple of weeks to get it juiced back up and it has to be cold for those of the weeks. And when we, when we, you kind of get it going, and when it's done and melts out, it's done. And so, and I'll tell you, we're done if I'm, I'll get corrected by Andy tomorrow, I'm gets, just we don't have that, won't get cold long enough to do it again. Yeah. Won't be this week according to the forecast. Yeah, that's not so. It's so sad. It's 30 days, they made. And so when I had this conversation, I mean, I can tell you what he told me, it's 30 days longer than last year. Yeah, it is you know, that's pretty amazing. There was that we're only in the middle of February and it's already 30 days longer than last year. And it's the warmest day. Getting history two days ago. Yeah. At my office, crocuses and daffodils are already up like this. Yeah. And we're not through winter. You're going to get a surprise. I'm going to get a surprise. No, no to get a surprise. I'm going to get a surprise. No, no, the crocuses and daffodils are going to get a surprise. Well, let's hope. And so the last thing was, you said Aces had a committee meeting February 6th. You want to give us kind of a good afterwards. Okay. All right. Okay, anything else to come before council? Okay. I guess we're adjourned. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you all. I had to listen. Well, I got to get. I got to go get Eli. I got to go get Eli. Don't speak. Congratulations to Eli. Didn't he win a little writing thing at the school. Congratulations. He did one of those. He did one of those. Thank you for the great writing. Oh, he did, he won. That's a big for Frater. He did. Basically, a verbator from an email I got. So, hey, they're working through it. They didn't get as far as they wanted in February 6th, meaning that they were shooting for. He will be hoping to get over it for. you