We couldn't e file. Okay. Your kids claimed themselves as a depends. Yes. Okay, I'm calling the town council meeting for April 17th to order. This evening we have several items on our agenda. Firstly, we'll be getting the update on base village, planning commission presentation on comp plan. Then we will be going into ordinance number five. Our six excuse me and this is a district map looking at a rezoning for the burling game cabin and then continuation of the sculpture discussion and then the tourism update. So having said that roll call Ronda. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Good. Okay. Are we ready to go? Come on up. Okay, are we ready to go? Come on up. Andy, you lead person here. All right. I don't have a formal presentation or anything. I thought we would just give an informal update on where we are. But I'm Andy G onion with East West Partners, as most of you guys know. And I just wanted to do a check in with you guys on base village where we stand what to expect over the summer here. It's been a little while since we were in front of you guys with a comprehensive update so overall we've been obviously working very hard over the last three or four months here today everything teed up and transitioned from related transition from SkiCo we pretty much have our team full team in place now. We just brought on our marketing director and another person that's kind of helping out with a number of project management tasks. We may bring on a few other people but we're close to having our stabilized team. I think most of you guys have met most of our team members but Jim Tilling and Will Littleer here with me as well are part of our team on the ground here. So in terms of projects, limelights obviously first and foremost, and you've probably already seen that there's some activity occurring out on the site. And we have a demo permit through your office here that we're able to do some limited work just to start prepping the site, prepping the garage for full construction. We've been working with Ari Nelson as the general contractor on that so far. And we're very close to finalizing a full agreement with them for the entire limelight. And the idea is that Ari Nelson would do limelight, plaza, building four, and building six. So that entire piece would be their scope. We're talking with another group about seven and 8 just because it sequences differently. So we're working on some final conditions with Clinton, Julianne, and the team in terms of getting the full building permit issued for limelight. We do expect those conditions to be satisfied, hopefully over the next week or two. And that will allow us to get going full bore there. Building four, as I think most of you guys know, we are redesigning the architecture there. So we've been advancing that and spending a lot of time making sure we get it to a point where all comfortable. And I think we'll be ready to submit that preview with Clint and Julianne and the staff here in the next week or so and then submit that preview with Quentin Julian and the staff here in the next week or so and then submit that for final architectural approval which has to come before the council. So hopefully you'll see that over the next 30 days because the idea is to start on building four in July-ish timeframe. And it's a smaller building so line light 4, 6 plaza are all scheduled to finish together and it has to be done by November 1st, 2018 for the entitlements but we can start 4, 6 and the plaza later because they're shorter duration. So building 6 you guys have seen that's been through final architectural approval and we're now at 50% construction document level on that and advancing that forward fairly quickly with Harry Teegon on getting that buttoned up for a July start and we're also working with Clint on you know some tweaks to that as we move forward and specific requests that may come in for modifications here and there on building six as we talked about. We'll work with you guys to make sure we're getting something there that's flexible and meets your needs. The plaza itself, the construction documents are done on that and that's in accordance with the designs you guys have seen numerous times and we're working on final pricing and contracting with R&Lson on that. Building 7 and 8, as we've always talked about since we got engaged, would be further down the process than limewight in the rest of them. We're probably at a, we're just starting into construction documents basically on 7 and 8 and we are as part of that redesigning the architecture there So that similar to building four needs to come back in front of you guys for final architectural approval I don't know if we end up doing four and seven and eight together or separate But they'll probably be on very similar time tracks in terms of your review for final architectural approval, which hopefully end of the month or early May would be when we submit it and then as soon as we can get on an agenda is what we're thinking. So if we can get through that and keep the design going, the idea is to start building seven and eight in the fall and then that would finish in spring of 2019. So if the core meaning limelight for 6 and the plaza finish in fall of 18, 7 and 8 would finish kind of at the end of that ski season if you will. So that's a general update on kind of big picture schedule. If it's helpful, I can have Will give a little bit more color on what folks can expect this summer in terms of construction activity, logistics, that type of thing that I don't want to take up too much of your time. I think there may be some questions for you, Andy. I know I have a couple, but does anybody have a question? Well, I have a question, but Andy, I don't know if it's actually for you or Clint or maybe both. But when Fannie Hill townhomes, when Skico came to us a while back and they wanted a change in the Fannie Hill townhomes so that they could be built in some conjunction with the limelight. And there was talk about a coordinated construction between those two projects. Well, since you guys now have a different organization than just the ski call, I'm wondering if either of you had been involved or heard any discussions about timing for the Fannie Hill townhomes. So the Fannie Hill site was actually something that we were bringing into the joint venture. So it's something we'll develop with ski co and I don't know what the exact timing of that is going to be originally we had talked about trying to start that a year from now. But we have so much going on that I don't know that we have the time to focus on getting that gear back up so it could push to a later time frame. But I think the absolute earliest it could start would be a year from now. Okay. I have two questions. We're talking about coming back in front of council. Are we looking towards May? Towards May? I'm trying to get really good. I always get confused on the timeframe between when we submit and when it comes in front of you guys. But I building seven and eight, we've already previewed with Clinton, Julianne. I think we're at a point where we can submit that for final architecture. For, I'd like to review a staff first and get that submitted. So, I mean, we're in what mid-April now. So I would think we could make those submittals by the end of the month. And then I don't know what that means in terms of it being in front of Council. Yeah, because one of the things we have here is a consent agenda that has future agenda's kind of topics. So it's planning ahead to make sure most everybody's here. You're out some amount. Okay. Okay, so we'll go through that when we get to the consent agenda. And then when we looked at building six, there was, and this is what I wrote in my notes. I'm building six. You kind of need to know everything by June. Is that of what it changes? It depends what it is. JT can speak to this better than I can, but I think the few concerns we heard in there if I'm remembering right were Plumbing modifications around the core like where the rest range were things like that and then also the potential for adding additional windows along that Yeah, North facade right, so I don't know what time frame you need those answers by There's one other the kitchen. There's one other area that We we've talked with Cleanabout and that is changing, creating a full kitchen for the restaurant rather than just having it as a, you know, more of a service area. And JT's been working with the architect on that? Yeah, so again, my name's Jim Telling. Plumbing is probably the most critical one and that would be a June, July timeframe that we need to know that to be able to plan that in. Windows would fall shortly thereafter. I'm guessing late summer to early fall. And then I've actually Clinton and I have met in Wajuli and we've previewed four basic kitchen locations and Clint gave me some feedback last Friday on which one that he would like to proceed with so we're going to be going back to Harry's office and trying to you know talk through that and incorporate that because that changes how the roof we got to push through a penetration for a hood, you know, for makeup air, things of that nature for the kitchen. Good. The idea they gave, there's some that were very specific and then with some of them are general. We went with the concept that was the most general that provided the most flexibility going forward. Right. Great. Right. Great. Okay, thank you. Those are my two questions. Any other questions? And I get will up here a couple other updates, but I'd like will to give the construction piece first. Come on up. Will getting any sleep these days? Ma'am. Not much. As Andy said, my name is Will Little, and I'm going to be overseeing the construction for base builds going forward. In the name of the game, this summer is steel. The benefit of our site currently is that we have very little earthwork to do to get these buildings started. So we can pretty much come right off the top of that podium. The shape of the existing podium presents some challenges that we have to kind of bridge, because as you guys know, as you've seen over the years, there are various elevations to that podium, and we have to kind of have a congruent site plan that allows for ADA access and several other things. So we're gonna bridge a lot of those changes with structural steel and geofoam. So a good bit of what you're going to see this summer is structural steel erection. We've got the cores on LOM light, which would be the elevator and stair cores, or those are the vertical concrete components that will start to rise from the podium. And then structural steel will start to infill the LOM light super structure, and that'll happen on four and six as well. Is that what you were doing last week pouring some concrete? Yes, ma'am. That was actually in the lower level of the line light. So there's a there's an existing elevator shaft that we have to take from the P3 level to garage all the way up. Okay. And we are pouring those walls inside the garage. Right, good. But one thing to note is we do expect to have some tractor trailer traffic to bring in structural steel. Fortunately, it's not nearly as much traffic as you'd often have with dirt work where you've got dump trucks hauling off dirt regularly. But we'll probably have at least one or two steel deliveries a week, we anticipate those coming in to Lotsee, circling in Lotsee and then exiting Lotsee on the entrance that's above, on Wood Road above the vice-roy. So they'll come past the vice-roy, come into the site, turn around, and then pull back out. Yeah, that's parking lot across from the enclave. That's correct. Yeah. We also will have some deliveries that'll come up the bridge from Viceroy that split kind of the sites for 7 and 8 and then the sites for the core or for 4, 5 and 6. We plan though to the construction management plan contemplates that road being closed for most intensive purposes. We actually plan to leave it open. We are going to have flaggers there to direct, not only construction traffic, but pedestrian traffic as well too. We realize that's a pretty thoroughly used corridor in town and we want people to be able to continue to go up and down that area. Sounds good. Any other questions? Anything else for Will? Talk about ROTC. Sure. One thing to note, this key season, LOTC was open to public parking. After this season, it will be closed. We are going to be fencing that off, using it for construction staging. We have contemplated an area of that site, which we can work with the town to utilize when you guys are having special events over the summer. So we've kind of planned out a space for you already. And if that need grows or diminishes, we can work with you to accommodate that. Okay, sounds great. Any questions for Will? Wrap up, Andy. Yeah, a couple other just quick items is, we are working with Julianne to move our sales and development offices into the village proper in a couple different locations. So we're working on that and we hope to be moved over there by the end of August as the goal. And so this summer obviously a lot of construction activity, but we plan kind of our full, I don't know if you want to call it a launch, but full sales effort to begin at the beginning of next season. But we'll have a lot of events and communication, what not over the summer as we ramp up towards that, but we think it's important to be located in the village if we can make that happen just to have that presence and activity there. Garage Association, I don't know how much you guys are involved in this, so we want to be involved, but we've been working closely with all the existing owners and base village to try and get that structure stood up. It divides the existing garage into residential and commercial and all the different uses in a formal fashion. Today, it's been done under this easement agreement, which I don't think was ever intended to be permanent. So I think we're very close to being able to stand that up at this point. Good, good. And then similarly over there, there's two metro districts and Metro District 1 is all the commercial property, Metro District 2 is all the residential. As we always said, we would, we've turned Metro District 2's board over to the residential owners. The requirements to be on the board are very onerous in terms of being a Colorado resident full time owning property. So to date, there's only one board member on District 2 who's eligible and willing to sit on that board. So he's sitting on that and we're working closely with him. We've retained control of District 1. And it's been requested of us. And I think it's a good idea is at some point we'll give you a full Metro District update. Just so you can get a picture on everything that's going on there. So a lot going on, but it's all good and exciting, moving forward, but take any questions on anything. Any questions at all? Yeah, we'll come on up. One more clarification. I think I'm just spoke earlier. We expect to have one to do steel deliveries per day, not per week. Oh, okay. It's fun this fall. Okay. Okay, you got a crane going up this summer? We do. We'll have two cranes. We'll have one smaller crane that'll help with the formwork for the concrete. And then we'll have a larger crane to get set on the ski back trail to start erecting structural steel and I anticipate that happening sometime in July. Okay. And I'm sure our town's gonna do a lot of updates on the town email site as well about what's going on. And I'll be happy to work with anybody about that or if you need additional information from us, just let me know. Okay, Bill, did you have a question? Yeah, just a question on the building permit. It sounds like we've kind of been anticipating this for a couple of weeks and what are the hang-ups and What needs to get done? These guys can speak better the details, but there's some administrative just typical clarifications of checking compliance with the entitlements and things like that And then there was a condition regarding the staircase that comes down from the crestwood getting that doesn't have to be built be built yet, but the design needs to be finalized. So, we'll start working closely with Quint on that. I think we're good on that one. We're finished on that. And then there's some actual building department comments that we need to respond to. So we're working with our architect. Those are mostly code questions and things of that nature. So I think we're through our kind of entitlement compliance list and now we're down to basically some building department responses that we owe your team. Okay. And then there's a condition regarding employee parking for the line wide that needs to be just documented or wrapped up and we're working with SkiCo on that piece. Speaking of line wide, I have one more question. There was rumor that there was going to be a mock room setup in the garage for what it might look like. There is, that is not rumor. There is. It is there. Okay, thank you. If you guys would like a tour or let us know, but it's something that we've been using and SkiCo really built it but we've been using it as well. Using the tweak the design and make sure things work and good. Good. It's the lighting work. When you're designing a hotel room that you're replicating a hundred times, it's worth doing one first to make sure you get it right and getting it right. That's correct. Good. Any other questions? Thank you very much. Thanks a lot. Thank you folks. Thank you We're going to move into the planning commission presentation julienne and from the planning commission. I see you Gus and Jim come on up Long to somebody here. You sleep it there Okay, can we close the that down? I just just we can see Gus. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll just put my chair up so I can see it over the top. Hi, Jamie. Hi, how are you? Oh good. So we have Jamie and Gus and Jim. Glad to see you so we're with. Oh, I know somebody that's even more happy right now. Yeah, no, so we're good. Thank you for taking the time to meet with us. Three of us or everybody else is on busy. So, but I think you saw the resolution. We just want to talk to you about our role in the planning of the comprehensive plan. So I think I'm going to, if I may, Gus I think has articulated our position the best. Tell us. I'll give that a try. And the reason that Jamie and Jim and I are here is not because there's a lack of interest or enthusiasm on the part of the other commission members. It's because we are the only ones available and we're not necessarily the best folks, but for this as well. But this is really, in our minds, this is an update to the town council as to how we, the planning commission, see ourselves fulfilling our responsibility of providing the council with an updated comp plan, which is a periodic responsibility, as you probably know, some of you certainly know. And what we've talked about at the last planning commission is to create a forum for a more interactive role with the consultants over the next couple of months. So we'd like to set up a couple of, at least one, and probably a couple of virtual meetings that can be interactive in nature between the Planning Commission and the consultants, Tupac, and that's how we're proposing to move forward and planning to move forward. So again, really an update for how we're seeing it. We're not sure that that dovetailing of planning commission and consultant input, how exactly how the town council or the staff sees that dovetailing happening. But we're envisioning this interactive role that will ultimately lead to the draft plan that will come with planning commission recommendations to the council. I have a question for any one of you guys or Julianne. So we have this committee. Steering committee. I think the thank committee or whatever it is. Yeah, it's steering committee. And then we have the planning commission and then we have a consultant. Help me understand the various roles of each. I mean, I know what the planning commission is because I've been there, done that. But the role with the steering committee, I thought that was the sounding block for the consultants, but when I'm beginning to hear that perhaps the sounding board should really be the planning commission? Or am I just confused or making this too simple? No, I think that's one of the reasons we're here. I mean, the contract that you have with, because it's easier to say we should call them Tupac, Tupac. TDPUC. Contract says that during this stage of the draft, initial after the plan of Paloza, they're just going to start drafting their plan. And they're going to come back and meet with the steering committee. And then at some time after in July, we would, planning commission would get to review the draft of their updated comprehensive plan. We hope it's an update. And that's for us is one of the reasons because we're a little confused because under the code, not only under the amendment to the comprehensive plan, but under the duties of the planning commission, our duty, our job is to work on the comprehensive plan. That's our job. And I feel like we've been sort of pushed aside a little bit, or we have been sort of supplanted by the steering committee. We have two people on that steering committee. I wish they were here, Tom Fritzstein and somebody else, but they were, yeah. Who is it? Doug Farrow. And at the last meeting, they were just sort of, they hadn't met enough to really have an any impact. And then there's I guess another meeting scheduled coming up in May with the steering committee. And the reason we are here and it's more, I think the Planning Commission feels it's our job and we want to do our job. We're here not only to ask permission, but to hopefully convince you to allow us to be more involved in this process. And there are three reasons. Number one is, Plana Paloza came up with pictures of sort of look like maximum build out on the center in the mall. Right. Number one, number two, they came up with guiding principles, which I heard as or came up with sort of the environmental factor, which was sort of a last minute add on. They sort of missed it in the guiding principles and Rose can collect collect correcting it wrong, but she's the one saying, what about our environment? We are, that's part of who we are, and preparing for this meeting, your strategic goals. It says, I mean, it's clear, on our nature, we want to integrate that sort of social capital with our natural capital. And for that, for the two-bacter sort of missat and come up with sort of a generic name called eco-friendly, that was another cue that maybe we, and it's not planning commission, as you're appointed planning commission members, we've been approached by members of the community. It's just not. So we're also bringing that voice to you in this process. And number three is just the way they have tried to define what all those guiding principles are. It seems like they haven't quite got the idea of who we are, according to what we are. And I can say one specific example is this not big enough. Not just big enough. Idea that sort of permeates out of the 210 comprehensive plan and part of the contract with Tupac was to take the most important elements out of the comprehensive plan and build on them. And that was probably a very important part. How big it is I don't know. We're here to ask you to help us with that. If that is, you know, John Dresser is, you know, it's not policy. It's in there. I can quote it. I can point the pages and how it refers to difference. It's not, but I think it's a symbol of who we are philosophically, whether it's policy or not, that is something that they missed, I think, in their attempt to try to grapple with who we are as a community and what we believe in. And so those are the three reasons I think why we're here and I am more of the mind to ask permission and there's some people on my commission, my most respected elder to my left. No, that's our job. We want to do it. Please let us do it. So that is sort of in a nutshell why we're here. So could I have one thing to that? Yes, Jim, please. You need the mic. Yeah, I think. You correct me if I'm wrong, guys. But we want to drive the process. And we want to drive it in a way that to coordinate the consultant with the staff steering committee so so we can provide you, town council, with a recommendation. And right now, there's a bifurcation of responsibilities, and we don't quite know where we are. So as a follow up to the last planning commission, and you guys can correct me, but I think where we got to, I think it was a, what we were gonna heard through this discussion, this discussion, they just didn't two minutes, was probably over an hour last Wednesday, so it's condensed. But what we said was, well, if the opportunity for more inputs needed, let's set that up. And what we can do is, like they discussed, is let's set these meetings up with TU PDC. We'll do them virtually. Let's make sure that the planning commissions being heard more input and then through the whole development of the process that if we need to have one or two or three or whatever that number is, I think we all agree. That's great. More inputs, that's what we're looking for, whether it's on the guiding principles, whether no matter what the issue is, that input from the planning commissions is welcome and we just need to find the way to give them that opportunity. So help me in terms of my memory and perhaps those of us sitting here on council. Two of us are on the steering committee. It's the thing, tanks what we call. Okay, so refresh my mind as to what the purpose of that is versus, we know what the planning commission is. So the think tank the idea, and if you remember the council had a pretty thorough discussion about who to put on it. And at one point the consensus was the think tank needs to be broader than just planning commission. The idea was there needs to be representatives from arts folks and from all these different constituencies. And so you guys actually made appointments to the think tank. And so that's the conceptually a broader source of feedback on all sorts of issues. In addition to the planning commission and whatever other boards and commissions you wanted to get feedback on the process, but the think tanks idea was just a little, a broader idea of more folks that met periodically as needed to give feedback on ideas that were coming out. But was that for the purpose initially when we were trying to get public input? Was that for the purpose of participating in the public input or perhaps focusing some of the public input? I mean, I don't remember, and maybe my, you know, maybe my memories are not right there. I don't remember that we talked about this group going through the entire process, through the drafting of having any role, frankly, in the drafting of the actual plan itself. I don't know the draft, I think they're going to comment. I hope you'd say, come back and say, is this right? Is this what you heard for the process? Just like we'll do with the planning commission and everybody else is when we draft, you know, the consultants were here, they scribed all the notes. They listened to the best of their ability, and then they come back with a draft, and with any luck it'll be 80% right. But someone's going to say, will you miss this or you over exaggerate to this or you really didn't understand this. And that's where that comments get jelled together to make that draft stronger. And then I came over to the contract and called it, but then it comes back for I think the call it the public, it calls it the public document that then goes out free even a broader review by more folks to make sure in fact it's reflective. So I think the way I understand it, we're going to continue to get as much input as we can into this whole thing. Planning commission, think tank, course, you mean you all have to have a high level of comfort because eventually it comes to you for consideration of the document. So I guess one of the questions I'd ask, it's a process issue clearly. So let's use the concept called guiding principles. That's kind of the overarching theme. It would make sense to me that that would be a discussion that would have perhaps by now gone to the planning commission or should go to the planning commission. So it will be vetted. And it's been on the agenda the last two days. Okay, so that's happening. Maybe three. So it's been discussed in this last meeting was very thorough discussion about them so what's the what's the intersection point between the steering committee and the planning commission is You're talking about more meetings the planning commission would participate in. What role do they have in terms of setting the agenda or driving process, or are we doing that in tandem with a consultant, or is town driving that town staff driving or the context? The context. The context. The context. The context. The context. The context. The context. The contract. The contract says Julian. She is the head of the planning. She is the one that's overseeing the whole project. And they've come to us and asked us to talk about the guiding principles. And that's where we decided we needed, we didn't know what our job. Yeah, I think we felt that we needed to go upstream a little bit of where the first input that's coming back from Tupac is and go upstream to look at the guiding principles, the general goals more deeply and less focus on the illustrative view of how snowmask and development. You know, and I think that we encourage revisiting some of the issues that have evolved over the decades, but most specifically over the last decade or so, talking about the, quote, just enough theory. And early on, snowmask looked just a little bit of history. But early on, snowmask looked like a lot of communities do, looked at the limits to growth or the holding capacity, carrying capacity of the area. And that's this big. And how big is enough to be a successful resort community? And that's probably something less than what the overall carrying capacity is. So you can approach it, approach the comprehensive thinking from two angles. One is how big should Ken Snowmass be without exceeding its holding capacity and its limits. And the other is how big is big enough to be the successful resort community that we all want to be. And so we revisited that just big enough theory here in the last several weeks in the last few meetings. And I think that's where the Planning Commission feels that we can help Tupac in guiding the drafting of the document that takes into account that little deeper and maybe broader vision. I think the steering committee served a very good purpose in casting a wide net to get input and feedback from the whole community. But the planning commission, I think that we see ourselves at least as having the capability and the background and the time to really get into more depth to help the drafting of the final comp plan that you'll see. That's okay. The code says planning commission and the town council. So it's like we're doing it together and that's part of why we're here is we're in it together. We want it to be a successful plan. We have concerns. One of the concerns would help us is that this is an update of the 210. We're using not only the data, but some of the principles and values that came from that and building on them. We don't think that that has been articulated. We don't have just big enough as a value, a core value, or why that is important. I don't think they understood that, and why that's important. I think it's this idea of you having your strategic goals in the first line, it says update the comprehensive plan, be sensitive to nature. That was the second paragraph of that whole. I don't think that that is involved. They somehow didn't get that. So we're asking you is, you know, we see that as your strategic goal. That's our strategic goal. And as we move forward, I guess we would like to be, you know, to help make this process continue to be good. You know, to his credit really, you know, he's on me to be positive. And I believe that it is, it's a good process so far that we need to be a little bit more hands on right now, I think, to make sure it works. So, I'm still not. So as long as you're comfortable, I think the approach that we've got to this last Wednesday with the planning commission was, let's get them involved. So they've got a high level of comfort of the issues coming before everybody. They've got the opportunity to give the input that they want to give, and whether it's one or three or two meetings, let's make that happen. And I think Julie and I said we can certainly do that. And then that input goes into the whole mix and then to make sure it's reflective of the plan that comes out in July. And I think that's what we're aiming to do is that first draft, and I don't know if the contract calls it, but that first draft needs to make sure it's right and there's right as possible. That's what we're aiming to get it to happen. Clearly, this is a comprehensive plan update, which means that the previous Comprehensive Plan is still an active document. And it's still a document that needs to be built on rather than started over again. I kind of remember Julian when we first started talking about using this consultant and you expressed to us how interesting it was that they created a different format than what we were accustomed to in our previous, in our previous complands. And it's clear now that we've seen some of their work that, yeah yeah the format is going to look a lot different but although the format is different the concepts really needs to move from what we currently have and what we're currently following into the next step. The values. In values and many of the concepts, I think what we've done up till now is we've gone through a testing period where we've tested these concepts that we've used in the past and determine whether or not they need to be modified or whether we want to move into a different concept going into the future. And I think that's kind of where we're at. And what I'm hearing from the Planning Commission is, well, don't forget about the concepts that we started with because a lot of them are still going to be applicable and a lot of them still follow what the community would like to do. And let's make sure we don't lose track of them as we move into a different format. Is that yes? Is that yes? A question. Very well. I'm back on process. So how many conference polls has the planning commission been on with T-Pook? What are we called? How many meetings? Zero. They've had the meeting with the plan of Paloza. Technical meeting. They have their separate own technical meeting with consultants in person, not virtual. So if we're doing this steering committee meeting in May, is a purpose of that to test some of the concepts or what's the purpose of that meeting? And I want to make sure that I want to caution everyone not to use the term steering committee because when I first set that up we were pretty clear that this was a think tank. It was to bounce ideas and you know the concepts etc. across the bigger broader community. So that's exactly what they'll be doing is they've been making some progress on the environmental part, for instance, they've asked for additional information from us regarding our open space and the easements, et cetera. So my presumption is that we will be using the think tank to be able to run some of those ideas across them and make sure that the consulting team is got it straight and is moving in the right direction. That's done without the planning commission, right? Two planning commissioners are on the think tank. Okay. But that is not with all of the Planning Commissioners. The think tanks are a bigger broader discussion. I mean, and the Planning Commissioners, we can set them up. Again, they need to say, hey, we've got, I mean, back up. Get one sentence, sorry. Whenever they request information, we've got, let me back up, get one sentence. Sorry. Whenever they request information, we've committed to delivering it. They want more information on housing, more on transportation, more on parking, if it's environmental issues. We just need to understand what the needs are, and I think that's what we talked about last Wednesdays. What is it that information that you guys need? And then, when I heard loud and clear, is they wanted to deliver it directly to the consultants. Fine, we can set that up through technology as well. So I think we're, I think it corrects me if I'm wrong, but I think we're in a kind of a comfortable spot. And you just want to clarify the where we got to last Wednesday is okay with you guys. That these guys have a little bit more access. And then, well, I just say more access than otherwise thought of because we just hadn't thought about it that much. Let me, and I know I'm doing a lot of talking here. There may be a disconnect with the Think Tank group in the Planning Commission. The disconnect being a member of the Think Tank, I don't remember if the Think Tank group has been schooled in our existing comp plan. And if this is an update to the comp plan with pretty significant value statements within the existing comp plan that we're building off of might or think tank individuals be misguided in terms of what their purpose is? And I don't know, I'm just asking this as a question. Because I could see that it's great to have a lot of input from the community members. But if you don't know where you've been, and this is an update of where you've been, I think most everyone on that steering committee, now I'm not speaking for myself, I think there's confusion. I think people are thinking we're writing a whole new complaint. That's what I think is out there in the community. And I don't know, but that's just, so it's very different in terms of an update or a new comp plan. Well, I can give you my interpretation of the process and since I'm on the Think Tank, I mean, I kind of see this as big funnel, right? We had this plan of blues and just through everything at the wall to see what would stick. And I think that through this process, we go, you know, we start narrowing it down to see, is this too big, is this, are we just big enough? And hopefully throughout this process with the think tank, we get to a point where we get some community feedback as to what we think the community may need. And then at least in my impression, at that point, that's when the Planning Commission and the town council can get involved and say, yeah, this is good, this is not good, and then we can start to refine the process. But I think I appreciate your comments about getting upstream of it, but I think we're still too early in getting upstream. I think we're still in the funneling process of what we need to, you know, what this thing's gonna become. Yeah, and I was, hopefully that's the case, but I'm looking, if you look at the schedule they have, you know, there, and they come up with the guiding principles, and they ask us, what do you think? And I don't think they got it. So, do we wait until the planning, I'm the steering committee? No. Reviews it, or can we say, wait a minute, before you even go there, maybe you should, did you adopt some of those values? Those guiding principles are the 210-com plan. And maybe we need you as council has to identify. It's just big enough of a worthwhile value. Is the honoring our environment, a worthwhile value, to make sure that they know that so when they do these guiding principles which seems more about development. And so I think we're just going to talk to them before they get this steering committee to know that that's a little bit of what our concerns are. I still think the funnel is great and Clint is you know more information the better, the more the dialogue the better however you get it. Yeah I agree I think Bill defines that very well you know that yes we're funneling down and there's a point at which the planning commission feels The Planning Commission feels like it can now play a more meaningful role working with the consultants to help get a draft that's in a suitable form for the town council. And the council is obviously going to weigh in as you see fit as that process begins to, the funnel begins to zero in on the final product. And the upstream comment is not so much to say we want to go upstream and redo the principles that Tupac is laying out, but rather to be sure that we've thought carefully about those guiding values and principles and that we didn't short circuit the process to get to a development plan before we really vetted the notion of what our, as Jamie has been articulating the environment that we want to protect the scale of what our town wants to develop to, our resort community wants to develop to. I think this calls for almost a conference call between the Planning Commission and the consultant because the guiding principles is the most critical part that drives the balance of the plan. So you don't want to get down into the development section of this until we agree on the guiding principles. Yes. And to that point, it's, and we've already talked to Clint and Clint is going to set up a couple of these virtual telephone meetings. And we'll figure that out. But do you want to be, can we come back and talk to you about it? Or how do you, how do you want to be, can we come back and talk to you about it or how do you, how do you want to be involved in this process or as we go forward? Because this is, we work together. Yes it does. You know in the past when we've gotten these rather large plans, school and plans. And we've been asked to look at them all at once. It gets to be tedious and it gets to be difficult to provide really the appropriate amount of review. So with that said, I think in response to your Jamie, if we as two organizations talk to each other somewhat frequently, perhaps when there's a reasonable place, you know, reasonable stopping point or a reasonable section, that it would provide us all with the best, the greatest ability to make the best review that we can make. Right. I would appreciate that. I also just, I guess I'm still trying to figure out the role of this think tank. but is a question. Who was it that brought to light the lack of environmental work in the guiding principles. Was it the planning commission, was it to think tank, was it staff? It was, as I recall, I've slept since then, but one of those rules gets credit. And one of the interests, one of the plan of plows are during the visioning session, I don't remember which one it was, the hand went up and said, I think you missed. And they said, oh geez, and the question came out and the discussion happened and said, you're right. And it came in. Okay. But aren't we going to have the opportunity when this plan comes back to say, well, you guys did miss this? Yes. So it's a lot to look at. The tremendous amount to look at. I understand that. If you get it all at once. Right. But I mean, we're looking at an update. But then we have a lot of stuff that's been presented to us, which is just new. So I mean, I kind of look at those two things, kind of on separate footing, because we're doing an update. But we're also, we got presented and I think that's why a lot of people will wait a minute you know I'm not sure we want them all to look like that so I mean at what point in the process do we give that kind of feedback this next meeting in May I think what I've been telling everybody's more feedback the better, the earlier the better. And that's why we continue to ask feedback on these principles and all these types of things so that when the draft comes out in July, it's most reflective. Yeah, we don't want to spend all that money and they get a draft and you go, oh God, did they ever miss a mark? Yeah, I think that's precisely our concern. Yeah, let's remind people in the room room there was years, I don't know, does she were on the planning commission with me at that time? We had to extract ourselves from a contract because it was going the wrong way. We don't want to go down that. Right. So the more involvement that we have between the planning commission and the consultant and the and maybe the think tank is that group that says, oh, maybe you need to think about this like environmental or development that we miss either planning commission or town council misses. I think the better off the product will be. So my understanding is you're going to set up some meeting. Go ahead, Julia. Well, I just wanted to reiterate though that our expectation is that this plan is not going to look like the 2010 plan. And that was part of the reason why we selected the group that we did because we wanted to make sure that we brought forward the best of that plan, you know, the important values is alluded to, but that there would be more integration because the way that the plan reads now, it's like everything was done in a silo and there wasn't the integration of, say, the environment with transportation or housing with transportation. And so our goal with this update was to be able to better integrate. And so that's where I want to just caution you that I think it's going to look very different than what you've been used to seeing. I think that that's part of the concern and part of the angst is that we don't know what it's going to look like yet. We're not at that point yet, where we're seeing a document that we can respond to. So in the meantime, we have, because planning commission had said, we don't feel we have all the information that the consultants have. So we've provided, we have it all available in one location on our town website. So anyone can access that whether you're on the commission or just general public. We've also we arranged for a meeting with Bob Purvis to talk about just big enough. We have our next meeting will be with Joe Coffee to understand the housing program. The meeting after that will be with David Pagler to talk about transportation and how that integrates with the community. And so what we were thinking based on the last meeting that we had with planning commission is that we would then try and get these meetings set up, these virtual meetings set up so that planning commission, the consultants, staff are basically on the same page together as we move through this. So that was our thinking. That seems very reasonable. A lot of some education, some updates with the various departments housing it. Obviously, a huge one transportation, the LOS, all those types of discussion points. And I would think that there's just a lot of apprehension because we don't know what we're going to get until we get it. And the more communication we have, down goes the ax level. So. Yeah. And it's sort of like Andy's presentation. They're going to come back to you with new architectural renderings at the buildings and just to make sure it's a little bit the same. We're going to come back with, you know, I'm not so worried about the form as a substance. And that would be the, as we just keep checking in. I think not only getting information but checking in to make sure that we're getting it all, we understand it, and sink. I think that makes sense. The more communication, the better it is. The better the product will be. Yeah. Is that helpful? That's very helpful. Thank you. I don't know where we're. We're cleared it up or not. Yeah, we'll talk to Tupac. Good. We're on it. So thank you very much for coming. We're closer to all being on the same page than we feared a few weeks ago. So that sounds good. Well, the other thing that's very important is whenever a planning commission believes it's necessary to meet with council, which is just making it happen because this is extremely important to this community, not only now, but going forward. Thank you guys for all your questions. Thanks for taking the initiative to. Thank you for getting us. Thank you. Thank you guys. Okay. Thank you. Next item is public comment. Is there anyone who'd like to make a public comment? If so, come to the mic. State your name. Five minutes. Do I have anyone? Well, good evening. Come on up. Hi for the record, my name is Tony Cronberg and I hope that everyone's had a great winter season and I just wanted to compliment snowmass. You've made headlines today in the papers so far as snowmass is on the brink of growth and then tonight you heard a great presentation by Bayes Village about how things are moving forward. Also in the paper on the snowmass sun and I actually have copies for everyone if you'd like me to bring them forward more than happy to. But in the Snowmass Sun today, it talks about getting a cooler closing day for Snowmass. And each mountain has your own unique closing day festivities. And Snowmass from my observation of being at all of the closing events has been the only one that's been able to capture the people that have come for closing day and to keep them here to eat either at base village and then when the restaurants were too full at base village and they take the skittles to go back up to the mall and And when I left, because every time I speak, I'm talking about a pool, so to speak. But I'm not sure if you came to the spring fling that was the closing day, but it was very well done, very well done, and I walked up on the mall. I saw sand, and I saw a pool with little palm trees and all these kids and people in their bathing suits and their speedos and I'm thinking now if only we could take that ice skating rink and in the summer somehow turn it into a dinosaur pool and if that is not doable then what I saw happen at base village is you can retrofit like different little pools all along the area. And I've never seen your plaza so full. And families actually stayed. And I did take a lot of pictures. I know that snowmess hospitality, base camp, there are a lot of pictures that were taken to demonstrate that. But I see where snowmess has a unique market. Because buttermilk was bacon day great You know the young kids come and they all party and then they all go home highlands is highlands where you have I Think 4,000 wristbands Handed out for closing day ceremonies and snowmass was just so cool because all these families just came and they just stayed and Going up and down so I just wanted to just compliment you that from what I can see that you're really moving forward in the right direction. Then with the comp plan coming forward when Jamie was talking about nature being built in. When I drove up today, I actually came to Snowmass to swim in one of your beautiful pools. And when I drove up the road, I was so impressed by the mountain views. And for life of me, I cannot remember right now the mountain that has that stripe that goes through. Oh, mountain, daily. Mount daily. That was just breathtakingly beautiful. And I know from the rec center that you've got that same view, but I just wanted to give you a couple kudos. And maybe sometime in the future we can, as I said, get that ice skating rink and make the support strong enough understand some of the conditions I've already, you know, she will finalize but hasn't been totally finalized or built yet. And then if that can't happen, then maybe we can retrofit different little pool areas. Thank you very much, Tony. And Kudos to all of our restaurant owners and who went above and beyond. We have a lot of people in the audience. I want to know how many of you wore your bathing suits coming down from Melcan. I'm working a bathing suit, so I wasn't a baby. I can't even do it. Yeah, my kid. I'm impressed at Baything Zoo, so it wasn't a big deal. I'm impressed. Jeffries? Yeah, it's a little cold. So little filming. So what was the total count of Baything Zoo whereas? I think it was like four or something? No, Rose. I don't know. It was maybe four or five. Four or five? We did not beat the Russian. No. But next year. Four hundred. Four hundred. We did not beat the Russians. No. But next year. Don't worry next year. That was a cool idea, but some of us didn't want to garner. Swim suit. Leave the speedos. Yeah. But Doug Kudos, it was a wonderful day and a wonderful party. And I think all of us are happy the mountain closed but we're also sad that the mountain closed so it's a bittersweet. We're gonna move on now to consent agenda. Do I have a motion for approval? So moved. Do I have a second? Trying to look at it. I have a mind just kind of, I knew it was on it. Oh, just the drafts. The draft agenda's the only thing I thought of was when Andy was making his presentation kind of have a placeholder. Maybe it was a mid-adjet, so we can't. We don't know yet. Well, I mean, just looking at this Madam Mayor, I think the next time we're all together is June. Yes, June. No, we'll be next week's meeting. Everybody will be here. It's not on here. The 24th as a special meeting. Right. So that needs to be on here. Yeah, after that, it's pretty slim. Well, I think we should have regular comp meeting updates so that we're having that dialogue with the Planning Commission we talked about. That's a good idea. And I think between the planning commission and Julian, I think that the dates wouldn't want to be in for relevant items. Okay. I have a motion and I have a second. Yeah, Bill. All in support. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. Yeah, Bill. All in support. I really do want to add that April 24th on there on to the agenda. It's noticed. Okay. Okay. Okay. We have a motion. We have a second all in sports AI. I'll say I'm saying. Okay, we don't have a quasi judicia hearing tonight. Oh, yes, we do. We have a public hearing ordinance number six series of 2017 and this deals with the rezoning for the Berlin game cabin. Chase, welcome back. Thank you Madam Mayor. You feeling pretty good back?, yes. Feeling good. Moving. I'd like to say thanks to all the departments that sent me get well cards soon. Or get well soon cards while I was out. Including a planning commission. Oh, glad you're here. We have a first public hearing reading for a rezoning of the in parcel Berlin game, cabin parcel of the Sonomast PD. Plenty commission had a good discussion on it a couple of weeks ago and with a lot of the debate coming down to the fact that during special review a lot of the details will be hammered out. At this time is conditional approval of a rezoning that will be subject to the proposed development that will come under special review, which will also be a public hearing with Plank Commission and TAM Council again, at that time. So at this point, it will, any approved vote will be a conditioned approval. And the applicants here, if there's any other questions, but essentially the entire parcel is zone recreation, except for the cabin that exists on the parcel remains under a conservation zoning. And it would take a two-thirds vote of majority council to allow for a rezoning of a conservation. So at second reading maybe we'll have a majority council to make that vote. The way that it seems to have come about, one of the commissioners main concern was, is the, how was this zone as conservation in the first place? And is it something that should remain? And what was brought up by applicant and staff was, and originally that whole zone was, or that whole area was zone conservation. And in 2005, when Tkiko came in with their application for beauty amendment, they rezoned their entire portion wreck along with this parcel except for the cabin footprint, which they believed came from the meets and bounds came from an easement overlay. So the reason the cabin wasn't rezoned is because they used the meets and bounds from an easement overlay. So the reason the cabin wasn't re-zoned is because they used the meets and bounds from the easement overlay, which exempted the actual cabin. So it maintained the conservation zoning. But during a special review, hearing, you may be able to put any conditions whatsoever on the cabinet self at that time. So, do you have any other questions for me or for Andrew? Well, I think it might be helpful. Those people, those people, the people that are watching on TV tonight, or watching their computers, or they'll see YouTube. Some people don't even know what we're talking about. So it might be helpful to have a two minute talk about the Berlin game, Andrew. I don't know if you want to do that or I think it'd be helpful. This is Andrew Light representing at Berlin game cabin, snowmass LLC. I'm happy to talk. I mean, I've got a couple photos if you think that's helpful. I'm happy to. I think it's essentially the same presentation I did a pre-sketch almost 18 months ago. That's reason why I don't think people remember. Sure. Let me see if I can see. What we're talking about and then we can move in to discussion around the ordinance Is this the one to hook up I can do a Memory stake if that's how well I'm going to see if I can get this slide. Okay. Okay. I think most of you are familiar with the property. It's actually just under two acre property that's an in parcel within the ski company control land just downhill it's off the scooper run just downhill from the mid-station of the six-pack lift so if you skied I got off at the mid-station and came down it's right next to this there's a pond which is actually the snow-making system pond the ski co that's on ski co property. But there's a there's a small cabin you can see the roof of it in that in that photo. Essentially what we're talking about doing tonight this entire area was re-zoned from conservation and recreation in 2005. And because of some language in an easement we believe that was used to define the property that was being re-zoned, that language in the easement accepted the absolute footprint of the cabinet itself. So for whatever reason the cabinet itself wasn't re-zoned from conservation recreation when all the other land around it was. So what we're trying to do tonight is simply allow the footprint under the cabin to be the same zoning as all the other property around it was. So what we're trying to do tonight is simply allow the footprint under the cabin to be the same zoning as all the other property around it. And the reason we want to do that is we think it gives us flexibility on our site plan when we come in for the special view which is when we'll have details of the structure we proposing and the use plan we're proposing and you know we've gone down the road with ski company, we will have gone down the road with ski company and come up with what we wanna propose. But for now, we just wanna have this conditional rezoning so that we can have flexibility with our site plan because there's a ski way that comes through that'll be preserved and that kind of thing. So that's what we're trying to get done tonight. Who owns this parcel land? The parcel zone by Betsy Chafen and Dianne Light. Okay. Okay. So I'll go. If you want to go on a little bit, just see if it goes down. It's definitely good. It says of what's going on here. Here we go. So this is the little cabin in there. Just describing that, if you, in the winter you'd ski down from the right hand side of the slide just down to the left of it. There's a little sign that calls of the Witches cabin and the whole idea is to preserve this, the ideal site for a new cabin would be almost exactly where the cabin is now. And our current thought is to move that cabin off to the up the hill a little bit and then put the newer one where that one is. But again, we haven't done any architectural work or anything since the pre-sketch, which was almost 18 months ago. Just because, as you know, there's been a lot going on in snowmouse we've got base village we've got a new limelight and so there's I think there's a lot of a lot of you know things that are on the table now that there are possible now that weren't possible eight months ago. So this is the little cabin I won't go through too much of it that's the location location of it if there's a road. I mean, it's not visible from the divide. There's, you know, it's up in the trees. So there's really, I don't think, would be any real visual impact. And again, everything around it is zone, zone a recreation now. And so it's just trying to clean up what we think is probably a clerical air with the legal language. Okay. And as he was mentioning, I mean the council have every opportunity it needs to vet or opine on the plan or the structure at the special view process. Okay. Any questions for Andrew? Andrew, is there historical significance to the cabinet, maybe some old p-text on the top from jumping over the top of it? I don't know, the mice living in it might be able to tell you. We think it was moved. There were ski jumps happening over it. It was moved here in 1985. So before that, I don't have a lot of details to what the use of the cabin was. But we think it's a cool cabin. It is cool. We don't have any objections to preserving it. Okay, and Madam Mayor, if I might, I just want to make sure that you understand that the snowmass mountain PUD that you just recently approved the amendment for overlays on top of this property. What does that mean? It gives them the ability to have a future use. In this case, an overnight accommodation that's unique to be able to pursue that through the special review. Okay. Any questions amongst? Essentially they'll have the same rights Asquiko has with their on-mountain house. That's great, but I will open for public comment, because there are anyone who wants to make any comment relative to our discussion tonight on ordinance? If not, do I have a motion to approve ordinance number six, first reading? A motion to approve ordinance six. Thank you, Bill. Do I have a second? I'll second. Thank you very much, Elissa. All in support. Hi. Same sign. There's, it's consensus. All everyone was in favor, so pass for Zip. Okay, thank you, Andrew. Thank you, remember? And Lynn, will we see the second reading of this next meeting? Could you do the next meeting? It's May 1st because I'm not going to be here. Okay, so we need to continue the public hearing today. Okay, we will continue the public hearing until May 1st. Okay, thank you very much. Moving on. Okay, we're moving in to administrative reports. This one makes sure you got his memory stick out of the window. Oh. I did it still. Okay, just only if you got still. Presentation. Okay. We're moving on to our next session. And that would be policy and legislative public hearings. There are none. Next is administrative reports. And this is administrative in nature, this administrative report. This is continuing continuation of the roundabouts, culture, donation, discussion. And since this is administrative report, this is how we'll proceed. Clint, we'll make a few comments, or Julianne will, and there is a report in your packet. Then I'm going to take public comments. Then from there, Town Council was assigned our staff to develop a draft agreement. So we will be going through the review and discussion of the draft agreement to give staff the opportunity to finalize it. So it can be forwarded. It hasn't gone to the donor at this point. We need to have comments in approval and then we'll set consideration at our special meeting on April 24th for acceptance or what have you all five will be here and I think it's important at all five commissioners be here. So from there the client do you want to open? Sure, I'll just give you a little background. Just, you can read it, but I'll give it to you. Last fall, the town was approached by an individual that wanted to make a donation of a sculpture to the town. The timeline of that donation is in the packet, but essentially the council was made aware of it. In October, Stomach's Advisory Board received a brief update in October 20th, and then in February, some pictures were developed as shown around the community. And then you can go through it, and then obviously the Snowmass Advisory Board has held a number of meetings on it. The planning commission has also seen it, and this town council has seen it on a number of occasions. The action really before you all this evening is John Dresser has developed a number of agreements, public art agreement being one and then an acceptance and agreement and then a bill of sale. And really the formal action for the council would eventually become If you did authorize staff or direct staff to actually to finalize those agreements and then execute them if in fact That's the direction you want to go the agreements lay out the terms There's been a number of drafts Previously that we've put out and discussed back and forth with the donor. This term, this agreement basically gives the town a high level of flexibility. As when you read through it, you'll see that while the sculpture is intended to begin to go into the roundabout, if accepted, but to count the town has got authority to move it wherever it wants at that point. It would be an owned piece. And so that was some of the feedback we got from the council the last time this was discussed. So there's between the last agreement and this one, I think there's a lot more flexibility provided to the town should the town wish to accept it. But that's really at this point, the piece been the pieces been on Facebook for a while. We've had a number of newspaper articles written about it. All the comments that we received through Thursday at 11-ish or noon-ish are in your packet. By Friday afternoon, we received a number of other comments. We sent those out, I think, Friday around 5 o'clock. And then on your dias tonight, we received a few more comments today. So there's been, I think we've done a decent job in making sure folks are aware of this, getting comments back, all those are before you. Obviously, it's a mixed bag of comments on both sides of the issue. And really, it comes before you guys, is how is it that we each proceed? The framework is set up. Obviously these agreements can be altered. The lead donor has had a chance to review those. Well they have, okay. I didn't know that. He said, you know, he's still in his review mode, but he got them on Thursday as well. But he said, you know, basically they're largely acceptable, but he's still working with the artist and some other things to make sure but overall the agreement seemed to be acceptable to him as well. Okay. Do we have anyone in the public who would like to make a comment about the sculpture? Okay. I don't see any hands go up. So, let's move into the legal agreements and discuss. I think that could be a framework for town council to discuss. Okay. John, you wanted to call it our last meeting a couple of weeks ago. There was a rough draft that went out and there were comments made by an attorney who I wasn't completely sure who that attorney was representing whether it was the snow mass community fund or the donor but the way this works out is that the donor is donating this to the snow mass community fund and then the snow mass community fund is then donating it to the Thomas snow mass village and there were some terms that council discussed and there was a way that you wanted this ownership and future rights to be effectuated and the way that I determined to do that was through three separate agreements. And the first one in your packet is the public art agreement. And essentially this is an agreement between the town of Snowmass Village and the artist. In 1990, the federal government, I don't want to say finally, but maybe belatedly recognize visual artists' rights in effect, in federal legislation. And the town of Snowmass, some of you may recall, got a little, a scance with that, with the stone sculpture down in town park that was moved and put back together, not according to the artist specifications during a construction project. We were able to get around that, but those rights survive a purchase contract in favor of the artist. You can't contract away for them, but the artist can waive those. And that's the essence of what this public art agreement does, is the artist waives those moral rights into peace and what we're talking about, basically, or where it's placed, how it's maintained, those kinds of things. And so because the town wants the ability to display the art where it wants and how it wants, those rights are waived by the artist here. They're proposed to be waived. The maintenance and the repair is discussed. The display is discussed, the relocation, the fact that as a municipality, the Thomas No Mass Village is subject to the Open Records Act, that's disclosed to the Artists, et cetera, et cetera. We're informed by the initial donor that these conditions and this request for a waiver are acceptable to the artist. So that's the first legal document. Can I ask you a quick question? That in one of the Facebook comments, I think it was maybe by Brita, it asked about that Snowmass Foundation and said something. I don't have it in front of me that that was like, what was that may not be the original 10 of that foundation to be able to accept this art. Can you elaborate on that? Well we're not dealing with the snow mass community foundation which is in fact a separate answer. So that was she was she was she was getting them confused. Yes she was. I just want to I don't I don't I'm just trying to play to clarify so there's two different organizations okay well I knew that but I just didn't know what if she was confusing them or wrote the wrong thing in one of the original drafts that the donor was identified as the Snowmass Community Foundation but that is a different entity in the Snowmass Community Fund fund. The SNOMAS community fund was established in 1992. It was kind of a 501C3 umbrella for tax-exempt donations that preserved. I can't remember the exact words, but it was basically an arts foundation. And it was basically an arts foundation. And it was initially set up for the summer series of music, which was an originally a past the hat. Okay. Kind of deal up on Fannie Hill. And they have continued to have, they are allowed to accept donations and segments so they can take purposeful donations so they allow director, I mean donor-directed contributions. So in other words, you can say, I am donating for whatever project. And the organizers of that, while the initial purpose has fallen by the wayside, by virtue of the town taking over the summer music series, they have continued to provide that as a tax exempt way for arts and other community-based outreach fund raising to be able to do that without you having to say, oh, I want to raise money for this one little event this summer. And I guess it's a government lawyer. I can use the word bureaucratic to go and get a foundation established and get them certified to BTACs exempt by the IRS. That can be expensive. So that's how this community fund has operated for the last 25 years. Okay. Okay. And I'm only telling you background, I'm not making any comment on what Britta said in her Facebook because I don't Facebook. So I don't know exactly. No, it's just that those comments were part of the public record, so I just wanted to understand that. I just wanted to be on record that I don't Facebook. John, just like, just like, just like, you're not the only one. You're not the only one. You're not all friends and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And the fact that I'm older than the mastodons. And you know, just a comment though, the donation and installation agreement still shows the Snowmass Community Foundation has. It does show that. That's the other thing I was wondering about. Okay, that's a typo. Yeah, that's confusing me. Yeah, well that was the other thing. Because then I saw that and then I read the comments and then I was more confused. That's a type of it should be the snow mass community fun. Okay. Well, that is that we've been in discussion with the officers there. That is simply a type of I apologize. John, you also brought up the entry way art or or I should say the art in the public park. It was my understanding that those stones were put together in that formation by the artist. Is that not right? Not in the current foundation. Not in the current arrangement. So somebody else did put those stones in. It was not the artist that did it. Oh, the artist put them in originally and they were removed for a construction project and then they got put back incorrectly. And the town was able to negotiate an agreement with the artist to allow them to stand there and retain the title and the credit through the artist. Okay. That was by way of an example of what the Visual Artists Rights Act, how that operates. So there's the bill of sale. That is believe me, it's confusing when you have two almost identically titled foundation fund. So the bill of sale is in the community fund name and that simply transfers the property to snowmass village. So let me just. From the community fund to snowmass village. Okay, so if it's my understanding and needless to say, all these parties are a little confusing of who's on first and who's on second. So for individuals such as the donor, what will happen if you wanna tax exempt donation will be to the 501C3, correct? Or to this? That's the way I understand the donor is handling it. Yes, that's why I was saying. The initial donor is donating it to the community fund. Okay. I am not privy to the agreements between the artist and the purchaser to give it to the community fund. Well, that goes through the community fund. Right. Okay. Okay. So then the community fund for any piece of donated art, then may, you got the donor of the money coming in and then the money going back out of the community fund to the artist for the acquisition of the art to be donated to the town. I don't know if that's how they're handling it. Oh, okay. But I'm assuming that. It could also be that the initial donor is going out to South Dakota with a suitcase full of money and coming home with a sculpture and then conveying that sculpture to the Community Fund. I don't know. I haven't seen that. Don't know. I know that the snowmass community fund is prepared to make a donation of this art to the town. Okay, on your art installation, donation and installation agreement. Are you over there yet? I had a question for you. Okay. There were comments about where we might put this sculpture in the future. It might be here for expiry at a time in the roundabout to be moved. We would still have the right to move the piece of sculpture or not display it at all for what 915 days or something. So I don't think this council can identify where future locations might be for any public art given the fact we would be tying the hands of future councils, or am I, can you help me out there? I'll try. The town will own the sculpture. Okay. And it's intended to be publicly displayed. And where and how long is in the complete and utter dissold discretion of the town of Snowmass Village? There is a sentence in there that says it is expected that the sculpture show initially be displayed at the roundabout. That's not a binding contractual term. It's in you're going to own it and decide where and how to display it. The condition that is in this contract and it's the only one that the initial donor said was that if you're not going to display it, if the town is not going to display this piece of art that he would like it returned to the community fund and the community fund can then give it to the artist, which could be in their agreement, I don't know. But that comes up in paragraph five, and if the town does not publicly display the sculpture as public art and a publication within the town for a period of longer than 915 days, which is about 2.5 years. And they don't have any plans to reinstall or relocate the sculpture to a public place, or that it will not display it at all. The town will provide notice to the community fund. And so that they can determine what they wanna do with it. Okay. John, thinking about that section and then going back to the artist agreement, item five, where that one says, in the event that the tennis nomman seeks to remove the work, snowman says she'll provide, by first class mail, using the address, advanced written notice of such removal and the option of the work to revert to the artist. Right. So they have to give them notice that the fund will own the piece, will be taking the return of the piece if he wants to get it. So it preserves any potential right that he has in their initial agreement. All right. But it's saying that the town needs to, the town needs to alert him right, but the town would be giving this back to the community That's where that's We're yes But we have to agree under the statute to notify him that we are not going to display it and then he we can't my secrecy or nondisclosure defeat his moral rights. He waves them as to us, but we agreed to notify them in case he has any. Well, if he has rights against, not against, well, under another agreement. Exactly. Exactly. It gets a little complicated when you've got serial donations. Well, I want to bring come back to a point that I raised last week. And that is that without a time frame on this issue of giving the piece back to somebody, but giving it away, either to the fund or to the artist, that we're essentially being loaned this piece for but we don't own it anyway. In other words, I think we own it only as long as it's being shown. Correct? Again, I made the point last week that I think within a reasonable period of time, we will know if This is something we want to keep or if it's something that we don't want to keep and it would seem to me that once we decide or the community decides that they want to keep this peace then the They want to keep this piece than the community fund and or the artists shouldn't have the right to get it back. But again, I don't know how my fellow counselors feel about that. You don't know the intent of the law. That's not true. Are you, you can go that way. That, that was Bob's point. I didn't hear it from anyone else. And it seemed to me that when the initial donor was talking about protecting the dignity of the peace, that the majority of council was okay with that. Right. And that's why this reversion is there. Right. You all just need to make a decision. If you agree with Bob, you can take ownership of it. If you agree with the initial donor that the dignity of the piece would be offended by sticking it in a warehouse for 25 years, that's what he wanted to protect. I think that's pretty reasonable of work by a major sculptor in the US. If we don't display it, it's like several symphony compositions that were eventually found many years after a composer passed away. And that sometimes adds value to it too. If you wanted to wear out, I mean a it's a dead value to it too. So if you wanted to where I was at, I mean a little sarcastic there. Yeah, I'm fine with the way that you've written it. Well, if we don't display it for 915 days, essentially, we don't want it. So yeah, that's true. It's easy with us to get rid of it. Well, there is a provision in there that says without plans to re-install or relocate. So there could be a period of time that's longer than 915 where you have a spot in mind, but it hasn't been suitably prepared for the display of a sculpture like this. So there is an out if you wanted to hold it longer. Oh, okay. Okay. Anything else? Can you go back to that language on number two in the donation and installation agreement where it's page 11 on I legislate? Yeah, I have to get back there. When it says it's expected this sculpture shall initially be displayed at the roundabout at Brush Creek in Wood Road. So that's not binding. No, the sentence before says, shall be displayed in a public display at a location in Ford duration, which shall be in the solo and complete discretion of the town. So it doesn't have to be at that round of eye. So we could strike that from the agreement. I think some of the feedback that we got was about process and how we got to this particular location. And so if we didn't have that one clause, I think it'll allow us to go through the process, public process to find the appropriate location. I don't agree with that neither do I. I think it was the intent to represent it to be in the roundabout for expiry to time. We have a right to move it that's preserved. That's what I think. Well, and if council wants to go to that direction, you could agree rather than that, albeit weak, certain second sentence in paragraph two, you could specify that it'll stay in the roundabout for a certain amount of time. But I would point out to you that it is clearly that from the presentations you had to date, this piece is particularly designed to fit in the parameters required by the roundabout in terms of the pedestal that it sits on, the effect that it has on the traffic sight lines, etc. So that it is intended and designed and created to fit and within those parameters. Correct. Which I also want to point out that a lot of the feedback that we got from people in the community, I believe, are from people who don't understand, didn't understand the parameters that were required to put any piece in that roundabout. So when we talk about process, you talk about, and you read about what people were saying about a process. Well, they're not informed about really what the limitations that we have on that in that space. Well, let's talk about that. What exactly are the limitations? Well, we talked about them last week. There's an easement built. There's an easement built. There's an easement. There is a section of somewhere roughly 8 by 10 feet or less. And would you like to give us a little more detail please? This isn't new bill. No, no, I mean, we've had a lot of different comments about what the actual size is so thanks for. AMR and public works director. I don't have the exact details but I can talk to you about the process of what the engineers have looked at. So within the roundabout there are two areas. One is the outside area which is the apron people can roll or tires on big trucks for the turning movements, one out that's that concrete part. And the inside there's a landscaped area. Within that landscaped area there's utilities, water lines basically, and those have an easement that are established. And then there's also the site distance triangles basically, the areas that are defined in roundabouts that have visual obstructions, so they can't be greater than a certain foot, or they can't have vegetation larger than a certain elevation. And then there's areas that are unrestricted. And so when the design process went through and the landscaping was designed, it took into consideration not only the things below ground, but also the things that were be planted above ground. And so there is identified in the plans in area that objects can be, which is basically when you look at those trees out there, those are the unrestricted areas. So, you can go from that ground level to as high as we would permit. And then there's the part that is the underground part that can't have encroachments in there, so that basically utility companies can do their work on utilities. So. The unrestricted spot is 10 by 10? Yeah, that's about right. There's two areas. One's not being utilized for this, and the other one's about, it's a, it's kind of like a half moon size. And so, they've gone through a process to look at to make sure that what's being proposed could fit within that area. There was a lot of work done on what could and what could not. Correct. Yep. But essentially it's a 10 by 10 space. Essentially yes. So we're not limited to a two foot area. No. Some people have indicated. No. And there's also a misconception out there that objects in the roundabouts are distractions, or it could be obstruction and there's been a lot of research on that based basically is drivers are focusing on what's coming to their left I mean that's what they should be focusing on is what's coming to their left as the intern to around about so that's why there is those unrestricted areas within around about. Can you talk about the height? The height? The height? Yeah, I mean, one of my concerns in thinking about all this is last week is really the height. I mean, I think that I can't really understand how tall this thing is. And if you're coming uphill on Brush Creek Road, I am a little concerned at how overwhelming it's going to be. And maybe putting up a story poll that illustrates a little bit more so we can understand. I mean, I think everyone also doesn't realize that we're about to have some really tall buildings going into base village. And maybe we don't want something, another tall thing, obstructing the view. Maybe we want to just be able to come up. I was talking to one of my friends last night and he said maybe you just want to come up and look a mount daily and not have anything in the way of that and have the buildings there and just see that. So one of my thoughts is really about the height. I'm concerned. We had two comments about the height of a lot of comments. So my understanding is the height is 22 feet tall from the elevation. I can't answer on what your feelings are on if that's acceptable or not. But is it possible to put them in that can illustrate what the height would be in the roundabout? So that we could understand like if we're going out there and I'm physically driving up the road, I have an idea of how tall this thing really is. I mean, I understand what 22 feet is, but it's really hard for me to understand without seeing it. And I don't know how well this represents. That's the only thing to have us on that. But if the council wanted, the answer, yes, a story poll is, that's not difficult. I'm sure we could figure something out. That would make that happen. I think it would be good to put it in there just so we have an idea. I don't think I care. I see a comment in the back. Carol, you have to come up and you have to. We have to come up to the mic. So it can be recorded. to come up to the mic. So it can be recorded. This one? Yeah, that's fine. Either dad or the podium. So Michael Manchester suggests your name, you have to give your name. Oh, my name's Carol Bacheller and I'm on the sub board. Anyway, when we had a special meeting about this sculpture, Michael Manchester suggested we put the loans up to show their height and I thought that was a good suggestion. Yes, Jim. Hi, I'm Jim Anderson. I'm on the planning commission. I just have a recommendation assuming that the council does approve this and that is that they have a process in place to remove it. So it's just not there. It's too easy just to leave it there. Okay. We would assign that to our town staff. A process for removal. Removing. We need to have a better process for accepting public art and for moving public art and also how to care for public art. Agreed and all and that's I think the sob. I mean that would once I think that's going to be priority one is how do we, if this were to happen again, how would we process it? I mean when we're bill said before a lot, we got a lot of emails about the process and a lot of people, I mean, it's nothing against our work. It's just about the fact that people want to feel like it's representative of our community and want to have buy-in in terms of, you know, what you're seeing. I mean, people are going to be seeing that thing. It's not like it's at two creeks, and if you only live on that side, you're going to see it. I mean, it is going to be seen by every visitor and every person that's going to check their mail or going to the grocery store or going to take their kid to ski school. And I think that people feel like they want to be part of the process and they want it to represent us. I mean, it's nothing about this particular piece of art and I think the donation aspect of it is wonderful, but I think what we're really lacking is in the process. My other problem is that the SOB made their presentation to us, their recommendation, and they said that we should accept it if these parameters are met. The only one of those parameters that was met was the material. We got a small sample size of what the material would be like. And that, to me, says a lot. I mean, I'm not saying that we shouldn't accept this art eventually, but I feel like very rushed, and I'm not really sure why we need to feel so rushed, other than maybe we're gonna plant some things in the roundabout that have to get torn out to put the sculpture in, but it seems like a very rushed decision on a very important piece of our community. Well, all I would say is you can't always get what you want, but you can get what you need. And I think that if sub was that upset I think that if sub was that upset about not getting the other things that they requested. They had the ability to have another meeting and to change their recommendation, but they haven't changed their recommendation. Their recommendation is still positive. If those things are met? No, I think the recommendation was positive and not if, but in addition they would like. That was my interpretation. And my interpretation was that you should accept it if these things are looked at. Well, Clint, there's a hand. I'll take the meeting. It's one of those two is right. I mean, I sat through that meeting and I, what I recall is a condition to approval. It's like, you should take these, if these four conditions can be met. I believe two of the four were met. The artist coming out was not met and the macaque was not met. But as I recall, it was a condition to approval saying, take it. It's good for you with these four conditions. And go ahead. No, and I just want to say like, I mean, I don't know how this is going to come off, but I feel like a lot of the comments we got were the result of the chair of the sob sending out an email to people saying, please send in an email in support of this sculpture. And I don't know that those people really feel supportive of the sculpture, or they were just doing what they were told, or asked to do. And that- So how would you propose to find out if all the information that we got is real, or was it pushed by somebody else? I think you can kind of tell in some of the emails. I mean, some people put a lot of thought into consideration in what they're saying. I mean, you know, you had this person that wrote to us, it's in the public record and she said, I feel that the proposed sculpture is a very generous one, yet also feel strongly the imagery or intent of the overall piece should have some connection as to our overall identity or emphasis of our character as a resort and as a community. Well, then, Alyssa, you've got to read every one of the comments. We can't just take one at a time or a year or a year or a year or a year or a year. I have been reading them all. Well, we all have. And I mean, I'm just saying it's very difficult because I've been, it's been a thought provoking question that I've been asking a lot of people. I mean, everywhere I go, I ask people what they think about that or try to solicit as much feedback as I can. When I was down in Carbondale for your raft of board meeting that I sat in on, I went and looked at the Carbondale roundabout and tried to see what they did there and how that felt and how that represented Carb carbon deal. And I know not every piece of art is going to be liked by everyone and there's always going to be controversy and it's going to invite discussion and all these things. But when we've never had a donation of art before and we don't have that many visible public pieces of art here, I think that we need to really slow down and think about it. I mean that's just my suggestion. So what does it you really want to do? You don't, you want to slow the process down. You don't want to even go forward with the legal document and you want to tell the donor, forget it. Is that what I hear you say? I mean, it's either that or we accept it and we put it wherever we want to put it and it doesn't mean that it has to go in the roundabout. Okay. I see some hands out. Come on up. And we're not accepting or not accepting tonight. We're going through legal documents, but go ahead. Hi. I'm Linda Renek and I'm on the sob board. And we put forth our acceptance and our promotion of this piece of art with the four caveats that they were, that they'd be accepted with those four things being met. And before I got here tonight, I asked Clint, if that meant since they hadn't been met, that our acceptance and promotion to you met, that we were still promoting it to you. And he said, no, since you, since, what did you say? Since they hadn't been met that it meant... Your recommendation was conditional. Was conditional. On those four issues, like you and whatever. And then therefore the artist or the applicant in this point, that's a bad word. I mean, you, the applicant has not met the conditions of your recommendation. So I would have to say that at this point in time that the sob board does not recommend it because our four conditions were not met. And you're aware that the artists couldn't meet or the donor couldn't meet all those conditions? Well, we're aware of it, but that was how we how we put the recommendation forth because we felt we felt rushed. Well, do we has a sob? I mean, there are six members of sob here tonight. Okay. And how does everyone else feel? I mean, am I correct? This is just been something that has been rushed on us. We did not even see, we didn't even have any idea what the piece looked like until February. This was April and when we were informed about it and the donor came to our meeting, he simply said, you take it or I'll give it to another community. Which to us was, how were we supposed to decide on something that was so important to the community that was going to be here for such a long time? And that was not nearly enough time. And we weren't part of the process. What is our board supposed to do? Why are we here donating our time and our energy? What do you need us for if something's just going to be rushed right over our heads and around behind our backs, if we have no ability to put our feelings and comments into the process. And I agree with that. That's one of the things I think about the time when we do stuff with Cling Commission. They put forth a recommendation to us and I'm not saying we have to accept it, but we look kind of ridiculous if we're charging them with this thing and then we're not listening to what they're saying and that's the same way that I feel about this and that was how I interpreted, how you just said it, that those four conditions and I know that the donor said that most of them couldn't be met and the reason why the Matt Cat couldn't be met was because there's this rush to have it done by July. No, it's two and a half months, and it's cost over $5,000 to do a market. And do we want to pay for that? I don't know. I'm just saying. I mean, I am relying on that board who has taken us in direction to put art in our community to give us a recommendation. And that was the recommendation that they gave us. And that combined with what everyone else has sent both for and against putting in that plan. The Planning Commission has said yes, accepted. There's no conditions that I'm aware of. Actually, they had a condition that it not be restricted to only the roundabout. So in other words, during their discussion, while we didn't have the documents ready to show them, staff was privy to the donors, the initial donors discussion on April 3rd that it did not have to, but it had to be publicly displayed but not continuously on the roundabout. And once they found out that the piece could be moved as long as it was publicly displayed, they recommended it's they being the planning commission, recommended acceptance and gyms here. Would you find that to be an accurate representation of? No, you got to come up to the microphone. I'm sure Lindell share it with you. It was it's Jim Anathin. It was my recollection, I may be wrong, but it was my recollection that the Planning Commission moved forward with this as a result of the recommendation of SAB. I also think, I'm asking, is that in the minutes? You know, is it their last meeting? I don't know that we've got the minutes done for that. We could go back and check the record, but I don't recall. But as John talked about, I remember there was certainly a higher level of comfort when it was said that this could be moved and it wasn't going to be there forever. I remember a high level of comfort, the actual motion, I can't recall. There's this far less formal of a discussion than the SOB's discussion. So what would it take to get a sob meeting together over the next? We actually have a meeting on Thursday and I think knowing that it could be moved and that it wasn't going to be there permanently, you know, might change a lot of minds because then everyone could see it. I mean, it's obviously in production and I think if we knew that it could be moved and it wasn't going to be there for the next hundred years and the options were available to move it it might change people's minds and everyone could live with it for a couple years and see how the whole community reacts to it. It's not just you know ten people on the sob board we want to know how everyone feels about it and that's been part of the issue is not having enough input from everyone in the community. Well, we've got a lot of public input by now with the folks. Well, I've read all the comments too. Yeah, all the Facebook and all the Twitter's and you have all the, although they don't even live in there in comments as well. Not understanding it's that we're not purchasing it. I mean, there's a lot of it. But I would suggest if you've got a meeting on Thursday, we do. And perhaps what we do is table this till next Monday when all the counselors are here. Okay. Because tonight the direction was to look at the legal documents. I don't hear any negative comments. I think we understand the legal agreements. And perhaps SOB could discuss this in further depth at their meeting on Thursday. I think we can do that and we'll be happy to come back with a report. But there's still the issue with the legal document because the legal document says that it's expected to be put in the roundabout. It doesn't have to say for how long. We could put a how long. I think you got to go through a season or two seasons. I would say two years as a fair and summer season. How do you guys feel? Why don't we leave that up to Saw? I think we can talk about that. Thank you. I mean, I'm very favor in favor of having art throughout our public right away. I would like to see SOB identify some locations starting down the roundabout down by the rodeo lot and then potentially along the public right away up through this roundabout maybe beyond. Oh we have plenty of places in mind. Believe me. Linda, I mean it seems to me I said it on some of the strategic planning meetings that sob had. And it seems to me that that was part of the strategic planning process that has to create locations for future art. We would like to see something at Brush Creek Road in 82. We would like, there are so many places and we have a lot of different ideas with different materials in mind. We don't want just bronze or, you know, right, just steel we've got all type different types of things in mind. Our main issue, even though we've identified a lot of things and we have places in mind, our big issue up until this point has been you know a financial one. So we are picking out different artists and looking into different things. We give us the money. We'll find you places to put it. That raises another whole discussion about a foundation that is sitting there that has the ability to take community donations for the purchase. Which we would really love to have that. And we would also really love to have input from a lot of different places of ideas for a lot of different people in the community of what kind of things, interactive things, things that would excite the community, get people talking about art, get people having lots of conversations, because art is so important personally and makes people excited and gets a lot of livelihood into the community and is, you know, we wanted to be participatory. You know, speaking of that, Linda, the other day, I'll let us sit out a link to New York Arts, the public arts, which was really interesting talking about what public arts. I read that. I saw that. It was really interesting talking about what public arts. I read that. It's pretty interesting. I saw that. It was very interesting. It invites conversation. Right. And that was exactly it. And they had all the kids doing different things. And I saw that article. It was excellent. Yeah. Come on up, Joyce. Stay there, Linda. Joyce Shank, a member of SOB. And Peter. And Peter. We, as, well, I could just speak for myself and also as the group. We really appreciate the fact that somebody has stepped forward to do this, you know, a huge amount of money donated to the town, but it's definitely about the process for most of us. And we don't want the responsibility of okaying the sculpture because we were not involved with it from the beginning. And it wasn't done the way we think art should be chosen, more community driven, looked at, we were beguided by art experts. We can't make everybody happy when you have public art. And a public art is a great thing, whether it sparks good commentary or bad. It's a good thing. It's definitely a good thing. And all this conversation is really a good thing. But we don't want to be responsible for saying, yes, you should do this without this process being really set in you know, I'm really confused. I'm really confused. I'm really confused about something that you say. Yeah, because I see that in several of the emails. And this is perhaps my own confusion. Yeah. So when you have a donated piece of art coming, or somebody wants to donate, why is it help me understand the process you're talking about is you want to control what that person is going to donate, what a control. No, not control. But I think you're saying. Well, I think it's important to have a committee that approves of it. Chuck and I, we collect art and we said, oh, we want to give this Brian Hunt sculpture down. There has to be a process for accepting it, just because we're going to give a $100,000 sculpture to the town because we can't display it any longer. There has to be a process. And I'm not saying that console has to make the process up. Maybe we have to do it as the sob committee and present it to council for you to approve. So let me drill down that question because I'm still not clear. What I hear you saying. So xyz, let's say Rose O'Bella, rich person. In character for sure. She herself has identified a sculpture of nationally recognized sculpture. And they're going, and that person is going to be a nice sculpture and that person is going to be commissioned to do a piece of work that will be donated to a town in a certain potential location. That would be preserved by that town to do whatever they want to. You're saying that if your committee doesn't approve of the sculpture, then you would deny a gift. That's a tough question. It is a tough question, but I think I'm not exactly what you're saying. I would say yes. I mean, it's not like all of sob, things this is an amazing piece of work. We've had discussions about it. But maybe had the donor said, I want to purchase a sculpture or pay for a sculpture going into a very prominent place. We would like sob to put together a call to artists, a jury. To me, that's the way you go about public art. In the future. I think, I think. Well, that's how you go about it when you're buying it. Right. But it's a different situation when somebody offers you something I disagree well I disagree too because what if missed what what would you do if there was something obscene that someone wants to take out of their garage oh gosh yeah I mean you can't you can't just we just wouldn't accept it. No, you can't just it's true You can't accept everything you just can't accept everything, but but you don't in my opinion You don't go out and say well, thank you for your offer But we want to go out and see if we can find I agree I agree I agree completely you don't just say oh Let's put a call. I disagree with you. I'm a call to artist thing. But I do think where this lost us and ruffled a lot of feathers, if I can say that, is that all we knew about it was that there was an unknown donor that was going to have a piece of art donating. We didn't know the artist, we didn't know the donor, we didn't, while we knew it was all very secretive, which really kind of upset us. The donor never wanted to be identified perfectly. I know. But now he's in public exposure. And I can appreciate that he did not want to be known, or that he didn't want the artist known. All we knew was that there was something in the works for the roundabout. What we didn't have any information at all whatsoever, including any proposed drawings or any inclusion until it was a done deal and in production. And he and the artist with all the stuff from the commission and everyone else that gave them all the specs that had to be met. Apparently, and he told us this himself when he came to talk to our board, that he had five or six drawings from which to choose and he and the artist decided on one. Now at that point had we been given, had we been brought in and said, okay here are the five or six drawings that we have under consideration, I think it would have been a better time. You know, okay here's the money, here's I've chosen the artist, Great. And we're willing to do this. Here are five drawings. What do you think? We would have at least had a little bit of input into what we might have thought. What the council might have thought. We would have had some choice. We were given no choice. It was just, hey, here it is February. It's in production and take it or leave it. And that was, it was an insult really to our committee. That's I think what ruffled most feathers. It was a done deal, take it or leave it. And that's where the process, I think, needs to be a little more clarified for us to continue as a board. Because like I said, you can't just have somebody come in and say, oh, I've got this in my barn and I'm tired of it. And hey, it would look great over here. And there's two different issues. There's the issue of donated art and purchased art. Right. Those are two very different issues. Yeah. Yeah, Jim, you want to come up on front and then we're gonna close this up and we'll talk about it on Thursday Within the group within our group that's very evident but I Don't think it was because our nose was out of joint I I don't think it was because our nose was out of joint. I think it was because there wasn't the proper vetting process that went into this with an incredibly important piece of art in an incredibly important place. And I think that's what we're worried about. I think we are concerned, more more concerned about putting something that is Whatever this is and not having it be right for the community even though it can be moved Moving this is going to be not easy. It's not gonna be easy Nancy Nancy? Nancy, you can use the podium as well if you'd like. Okay. Hi, I'm Nancy Gensh and I'm not a member of anything. But what I just want to say about this, first of all, I love the idea that it could go also at the rodeo round about at some point in time. I think that what a gorgeous welcome to Snowmass. But what I wanted to say with all this discussion is I hear you guys on your committee that this process upset the board, that subboard a lot. I mean, and I hear it. I hear it. The process was, it went this way going in this door, it might have been smoother. I get that. What I don't want anyone to lose track of, is as I sit here with this picture in front of me, is the fact that this is a really, in my mind, appropriate image for Sonomas. That wasn't even discussed in any of this process. To me, is the artistic value of this thing that is right here. It's action, it's mountains, mountains, its movement, its vibrant, whether at this roundabout or that one, whatever. But it seems in all this discussion of that someone was upset because this process wasn't followed or this, and I get it. I hear you. It could have been done in a different way. All that aside, look at what you're looking at as well to welcome people from all over the country to the, you look at that and you look at that picture right there, were mountains. You look at that and you look at that picture right there. We're mountains. All of our recreation, everything, centers around that comes out of it. So please, in your effort to work through this process that wasn't maybe approached in the best way to have everyone be an active player. I really get it. Don't lose the artistic value of this piece as a representative statement about Snowmass. Thank you, Nancy. So Thursday, yeah, Chuck. Yeah, come on up. And we're gonna close this off very shortly. I'm Chuck Shank, snowman's village. You know, I've heard the word process tonight, 20, 30 times. Some people refer to the process, the lighting, the process of making sure the roundabout was right. To me, the process is about choosing the artist and choosing the art. And I know everybody's saying, but this is donated. Well, there's still has to be a process. And so many of us just say, yes, we like this artist, or we don't like this piece. Somebody said there were several drawings, but we never got to see him. That's part of the process. It's not the process of installing it. It's not the process of finding lighting people. It's the process of picking the art for public art. If any one of us were buying it for our own house, then there is no process. You like the art you buy it, but public art is different. And I don't know exactly what the process should be. I've never been on any kind of public choosing of art. But I do know the museums have committees that vote to accept art, even though it's donated, or not accepted. People have a funny thing about donating art. And I'm not saying it's the case here, but some people donate art strictly to get the tax deductions. And museums don't always accept it. They look at a piece of art and say well, you know We're sorry mr. Jones. They don't say a right to his face But they say it in close committee meetings and refuse the art In the public art agreement I Don't understand paragraph five. It was discussed earlier. And I don't understand how this piece can revert to the artist. Under any circumstance, being that the artist is not donating to us, nor are we buying it from him. But it clearly says that the artist has the option of getting it back. I don't know. I've read it several times, and I still don't understand why the artist we get the option. John, do you? It just preserves a potential option between the artist and the initial donor. If there's some contract there, the town gives notice and then we get it. That brings up my next point But John's not finished. Okay, go ahead our government has very strict laws about the gifting of art and It's very confusing the way this is structured as To who's gifting what to whom or who's buying it and for how much and my question is do we have the right to see the documents supporting this that I guess belong of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee of the committee I think I was pretty clear that I don't know that. I didn't expect anybody would know it in this room necessarily, but I think as a town we should know it. Thank you. I guess I have a follow-up comment to it, Chuck, saying, if I guess it's important to know that information, if we're gonna include that language, because if it's a $100,000 piece and it's being completely donated then I could see it reverting back to the artist but if it's a two hundred fifty thousand dollar piece and the community fund is having to come up with hundred and fifty there's no reason to shake it back to the artist. Isn't that between the community fund and the artist? It is. Okay. So, so the community fund is going to then own this piece. And then donate it to the town. And that's an arrangement the artist has made with the community fund. Okay. And that's an arrangement the artist has made with the community fund. Good. Any other questions on? I mean, there's a completely another option if the town council wants to do it, is that the community fund can continue to own the piece, and the town could lease the 10 by 10 foundation to them for a period of time and renew it or not renew it, however the town's outfit. So it could be a straight lease arrangement and the town would never own the art. I have no interest in how you accomplish it. You tell me and I put it together the way you tell me. That's what we did after your discussion two weeks ago. Carol, one last comment and I'm going to close this down. I think what it boils down to is that sob just doesn't feel as if they're the entity to approve the sculpture. In other words, if the Planning Commission or the Council wants to approve it, that's fine with us. We don't care if it's approved, that's fine with us, if it's approved. We just don't feel that we should be the ones to approve it since we weren't involved in the process. So if it goes through, that's fine. And I think I'm speaking for everybody. We don't want to pre-fend this sculpture from taking place. We just don't want to be the ones required to approve it. Okay, it's okay, a little bit different message, but thank you very much Carol. I know that SOB will be meeting on Thursday, so let's have them to further discuss the issue around the recommendations. And it- I have a quick question on the art donation and installation agreement for John. A number five, it's not a complete sentence, the last sentence. There's a typo there as well. I've corrected it. So it's supposed to end at sculpture? No, it, let me say. Which agreement is that we own? Page 11 and I legislate number five. Okay. The last sentence is not a complete thought. It's not. I think and determined is not supposed to be there. Is that right? It's not it's it's supposed to offer the option to The community foundation of how if snowmass villages not going to display and no plans to display that they can take it back They can dispose of it how they want or they can allow. And I apologize for these documents. That's OK. We are in the process of converting our software. And just today, I deleted my previous version of word to the new one. And some things got messed up that I wasn't aware of. Anyway, number five will read that, okay, I'm gonna go into the middle of that sense. Tana Snow Mass Village will provide timely written notice to SCF of its intention not to publicly display the sculpture period. Upon receipt of such notice SC SCF shot of 90 days to determine whether to retake possession of the sculpture. To return to the sculpture, otherwise own display or store the sculpture, or that SCF will permit TOSV to remove transfer or otherwise display the sculpture. So they get 90 days to decide what they want to do with it. If TOSV can't meet the condition of public display. And that choice could be, do what you want, Tom. We'd like to give it back to the artist. One of the things that the initial donor was felt strongly about was protecting the dignity of the piece. And this tries to respect that if the town determines not to display it. Because in those early drafts there were a lot more conditions as Chuck pointed out that were early removed at the last meeting. And I apologize for the software errors, but that's what that's supposed to say. Thank you very much. Okay. So it looks like a lot of people from SOB has left, saved one. So yes, this has been a process that could be better. And we look forward to seeing the recommendations coming from SOB, how we can improve the process. Is there anything in particular in the recommendation that would help the council or should we just get out? I think SOB just needs to vet it. And I don't hear discussion amongst the solve members that they don't like the art. It's more process driven. That's what I'm hearing. I think some of them don't like the art. But I think they're, you know, they're, I mean not everybody's going to like every piece. No, they're not. I mean, we could put X, Y, a T a Tic Tac Toe board down by the rec center and people wouldn't like it, which to me would be fabulous. Well, I know. I mean, some guy put these up and down arrows in our neighborhood and they'll, the O'Hole joy meeting the last time they were talking about this. So. Well, I think the piece that you sent us about New York art, nail it. I mean, art is polarizing and I think to a certain extent it's supposed to be I mean it drives the conversation. So whether you like this or not is I mean it's just it is what it is. Is it right for a roundabout? I've spent a lot of time in the last couple of weeks looking at roundabout art. To me it's very one dimensional. It's great if you're driving up the hill, but if you're coming from the town hall or the base village or coming down the hill, it's a very different piece. I really like the 3D when it came down the hill onto the side, but again, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. Yeah, I mean, the piece in carbon Dale that you referenced is very polarizing I mean people in carbon Dale either love that or they hate it and they hurt They've been drawn there is a line in sand. Yeah, and I think we're gonna find the same thing with us Yep, and now you have the right to move it whereas they don't in carbon Okay Saw meeting on Thursday I think we'll take a pulse. We'll do that and then so the packet, we'll send the packet out probably a day late. So can all. That's fine and we'll convene on the 24th. Is there any other issues for the judges? What I would suggest is, I know there's an executive session at 4. Perhaps we can set this discussion for 530. That initial discussion will probably be an hour, you have a little little wiggle room and that way we can just say this discussion is expected to start at 530. I think that's fair. Okay. I just have one question for John in the public art agreement. Why, you know, under governing law, why is it state Garfield County? It's a software. No, that's not the software. I'm just kidding. That is something that I missed and I will change it. That's what happens when you use somebody else's a grievance door drive. Okay, but it's been a lot of work for John. So thank you very much John for all your work on the agreements. Thank you for your approval for it and I do value that believe me. And I do want to thank all the people who have been here for public comment. We'll be meeting next week on the 24th at 5.30. And look forward to the sob discussion later this week. Next item. And that would be tourism. Rose, come on up. No, it's going to disappear. It's a test stop. Do y'all want to take a quick break while Rose? No, let's just. I see yes. Five minutes. Five minutes. Five minutes? Five minutes. Great. Well, thank you for having us. Just for the record, I'm not rich, based on your comment earlier. Come on. I just gave you the review. I know. That's great. So Howard Gross is the chair of the marketing group sales and special events board. And thank you, Howard, for being here and all of your support throughout the year. So we have this opportunity a couple of times a year to present to you guys in person to tell you what's going on and then a couple of times in writing. So we just wanted to take you through a little bit. So our agenda will be sort of a look at how's business. Give you a little sneak at the marketing creative that we'll be using in the marketplace this summer. Highlight on special events, little update on group sales, and then I want to just spend a few minutes talking about the upcoming 50th anniversary of the ski area and what plans we have put in place so far for that. So just as a taking a step back, our tourism objectives when we think about summer, we have, they're all laid out in our plan that you all approve in conjunction with our budget and our board approves. But to simplify it at the end of the day in the summer, we want to attract destination guests, both group and FIT. We host special events to create vitality and visitation. We want to entice locals and visitors to the Roinfort Ballad at Dine Shop and stay and play here in the village. And Stimms Tourism, we're also the definitive resource for all tourism information on the village. And so we like to be this portal that people come to to get information on whether it's lodging or where to eat or what to shop. So looking at how's business, I think you guys have seen these charts before. They're from Destometrics. They kind of take a look at winter. This is as of March 31st. So you can see our occupancy overall and just to put it in perspective, the red line is where we were this year, the blue lines where we were last year. That vertical line sort of at March 31st, everything to the left of that is actual. Everything to the right of that is what was on the books and then the black line there is where we finished. The purple and black tells you where we were up or down from prior year. Overall, our occupancy was up 3% in December, 10% in January, kind of flatish, down 3% in February, and up 9% in March. Just to put that in perspective, destimetric queries and gets gather data on 17 resorts. We were number one in occupancy for the month of March among all 17 resorts. We were number two in January among all 17 resorts, and we were number three in February among all resorts. So we're holding our own very much so. Those numbers have improved. Our average daily rate, up 8% in December, up 5% in January, up 5% in February, despite falling backwards a little bit on occupants. We made some of that up and rate. And then March was down 4%. I would say, we had that disabled American Vets group move from the first week of April to the last week of March. They're low rated. You can kind of see that dip in occupancy that first week of March on the books, also sort of at the same reason. Taking a look at summer, this is, so again, everything to the right of that horizontal line at March 31st is what's on the books versus what's passed. We want red lines over blue lines. Blue lines is sort of where we finished. On the right-hand side, sort of where we finished. On the right-hand side, this is where we finished. And then in the blue, I mean the red in the green, red is this year, green is last year. So whenever red's above, that means we're pacing ahead last year, and you can see it in the little black bar charts. I think it's gonna be a good summer. I mean, just looking forward from what we hear, I think it's gonna be pretty strong. just looking forward from what we hear I think it's going to be pretty strong. Are we tracking about where we have in the past at this time? So that's what the market is a great question and that's what that the little purple which is the black that's the difference between where we were last year at March 31st and where we are this year. Sometimes it's super obvious what the reason is and sometimes so the first week of June, one of our sales people brought in last year this great big teachers conference, 800 teachers first of June they arrived. You can see the dip that we have a little bit in that actually they probably came in on the fourth. On that dip it's because that group's not here. Sometimes it's not that obvious for us to see but we look at this all the time to see where the, and this isn't just group businesses, all this and this on the books. That makes sense? Okay. So just to recap, we've done well in the past in the summer. We've grown occupancy by 85% over the past five years. Rev part, which is revenue per available room, it's a hospitality industry term, is up 120%. I would be a fool if I told you that we could sustain double-digit growth as the numbers increase. So, you know, we want to continue growing. The pace may alter a little bit, just because the number we've made such good strides in big numbers. Rose? Yes. Why do you use in summer revenue per available room but in winter average average revenue? We actually measure both. We measure both and look at both. Yeah but I understand and I know because we've seen both before. Right right. But why did I choose in this one? Yeah, you won in the other yeah probably because I didn't think of it Honestly, honestly, we look at both okay all the time there's so When you look at paid occupancy it doesn't take into account Owner usage because they usually pay zero so they pull those out. Revenue per available room actually talks about every available room and what's the- Well, that's what I think that was my point because people, you know, owners come in in the summertime and they tend to stay longer, I think, often in the summertime. So, so that basically it drops, it drops, it drops the average rate because if you're using revenue per available room it drops that. And it actually the way we measure it Bob it actually can decrease occupancy because both the occupied room and that room is taken out of paid occupancy. So when we do occupancy reporting we're of paid occupancy. So that when we do occupancy reporting, we're reporting paid occupancy. So an owner use would come out of the denominator and the numerator on that equation. Does that make sense? Yep. Okay. But that's a good point. I should have at least been consistent within one presentation. I would agree with that. Looking at just our, oh, I think I did this in the backwards order of the agenda, and the summer events calendar. We have these and these are available all over. I have some here in the back of the room there for you. It's just a recap of all of the events we have this summer by date. I'll just highlight a few of the changes, if you will, or what you can expect that's new. On basically 4th of July weekend, which is June 30th to July 2nd, we have a new event called Bluebird Art and Sound. I'm hesitant to mention the word art right now. But as part of it, a non-process non-committee way, they will have an interactive art exhibition at the base village of Atlon. There will have booths in the mall. There will be a paid concert on Friday night on Fannie Hill with drive by truckers. And on Sunday afternoon, there will be a free DJ show in base village. So that's all new. It should be fun from a lot of perspectives. I think that event, it'll be, they're committed to making this a new signature sort of multi-year event. The folks behind it are the folks who took Lala Palusa International. So they have a lot of, you know, credentials and they actually were in town this past weekend looking and scouting and making sure that all their installations will fit in well. And then on 4th of July, we have been working with the wild snowmass fire protection district to make sure that if all things go well, we'll be able to shoot off low proximity fireworks over Fannie Hill. And then our plan is to have a post-dinner evening community event simple. It may be, you know, comfort desert or a piety in contest or something so people can gather and watch the fireworks here on 4th of July. Rose, on that blue bird event. Yes. Have they given you, I mean, it's a paid concert, right? Just on Friday night. Drive by truckers. Yes. Have they given you, I mean, it's a paid concert, right? On just on Friday night. Drive by truckers. Yes. And so they enclose it. Is it going to be using the Fannie Hill stage? Yes. Yes. We're using the Fannie Hill stage pretty much as it is. We'll have to do some enhanced fencing and security for that. It's a $30 ticket. They're on sale already. So, and it'll be, it'll be interesting to see how it goes. You know, we've gone back and forth on trying to have paid concerts up there. But we think that they have drive-right checkers has a wide appeal for, I mean, we're all full-ish on Fourth of July. And so it's just nice to be able to have another thing to offer. You bet. Yeah. And the lodges are already advertising as part of the packages. Yeah. In August, we have a yoga event, yoga on the mountain. This is not the footprint of Wonderless. I don't think it's a Wonderless-like. It's a much smaller footprint. It'll be a first-year event. We like it. The lodges like it because they feel they can go out to all the yoga people who were here light. It's a much smaller footprint. It'll be a first-year event. We think we like it, the lodges like it because they feel they can go out to all the yoga people who were here in the past and say, hey, you liked it here come this other weekend. And so we're working with them. That's a new event. The Snowmass Balloon Festival, so not a new event, but I just wanted to point out that we're moving it to the weekend right after Labor Day, so right after JAS, the balloon festival will take place, where it's typically been and will have the night glow. And one of the reasons we're doing that is we're doing the snowmast vintage car race and motoring classes together with the wine festival, the following week and the rotary wine festival, on the weekend of the 14th to 17th. A couple of really notable things about the car weekend is we will have on the Thursday. So this kind of all kicks off on Wednesday, which is nice in the art of strategy of extending events on the weekend. It'll kicks off Wednesday evening and on Thursday there will be a race from this roundabout up the inside of carriageway and then down brush creek. And so the roads will be closed. They'll be opened every hour for buses and transit and people to get through. But it should be a really, really fun event. They're all what's going to race our cars from the 60s, 70s, and 80s that will produce as race cars. I've learned a lot about racing. They're racing at a level that preserves their safety and the safety of their car. There's not going to be this careening, overtaking, spinning out. I mean, these people are collectors, so they want to make sure their cars are not correct. Did you get a car Howard? You call that racing? Howard, are you driving? Yeah, of course. So what's happening the afternoon of the balloon fiesta? Is it dead? Well, there's the wine festival is going to be taking place. No, I'm talking about the balloon festival that afternoon Saturday afternoon. On Saturday afternoon we don't have a, oh, we do them nightclow up at the, no, but the balloon you're done ballooning by 10 in the morning. What's going to happen like for lunchtime and in that afternoon? We typically haven't programmed that, at least. We usually have always done the wine festival with the balloon. So people stay in town to do both. So trying to figure out what we're going to do the afternoon of the balloon fiesta fun Saturday. So people will take a look. You know, we can take a look at that and see the balloon stuff is typically done by non-alcoholic in the morning. Oh, yeah. And so people tend to leave that site and go do their hike or whatever. And if they do come back in the past, it was wine festival. That doesn't get on till the afternoon. What we felt last year is, and for those of you who went to the balloon festival and the car auction that was down, there was like 10 pounds and a five pound bag. Well, the car auction along with a wine festival, it just didn't fit. It was just a lot going on. There was a lot going on. And so the idea of kind of sharing the love and spreading it out seemed to make sense to us, but we can look and see if we can try to program something during the day. But traditionally, I mean, you all have been here far longer than I have. After the balloon festivals, after the festival comes back at nine, people go and they do their hike or their bike rider whatever else they're going to do and kind of spread out we bring them back to the village and last year was quite crowded in fact we added it to our free concert we added the balloon night glow because just to make sure people know about it going in because it really was quite a it's a great concert and event that evening. So there is a concert that evening? Yeah. Yeah, there's that concert, yeah. Other questions or? Rollin'. Okay. So just to take a peek at our creative this summer, many of you, most of you, participated in helping us develop a brand platform last year and we came up with this embraced by nature and we implemented last year what we call the runaway with me campaign. The campaign is similar. It's the second iteration of that. It's all based on our brand platform. Our summer messaging is about biking, hiking, the events, kids, music, nature, sort of value and what we call villages, things to do in the village, shopping, dining, staying in the village. Our target markets in the summer are slightly different than in the winter in that we focus more in the summer on Colorado markets and the drive-to market than we do in the winter. We continue to focus on our fly-to destinations and then we do do a little bit in the New York Metro area and the high household incomes of South Florida because our surveys tell us that those people come. Our brand audiences are really what we call adventurous families, prime of lifers, millennial achievers and trail writers. Those folks skew differently in each market so we don't go 25% in each. So San Francisco has more millennial achievers than say Houston might have more adventurous families. So it's a little bit skewed or weighted I should say this is our media plan a snapshot so we will be in print in the May and June issues of 5280 will be in the June issue about side will be in sunset magazine with an advertorial on an ad in May and in the July issues July is a gift with purchase. So we like gift with purchase. Out of home, in the past few years, we've gone to an all digital billboard strategy, which is very effective because we can have up to six messages at a time. And it's very easy to switch out, like, don't talk about craft beer anymore. That just happened and talk about something else. And so we'll have those billboards in Denver from May 1st, basically, through mid-September. And similarly, we have two billboards in grand junction. That same time period, and we will alternate. You'll see the creative in a sec. The bulk of our resources and our marketing spend goes into digital placements. We do things like paperclick, which is the Google placements when you and search as well as social media ads. We have a nice buy with Colorado.com that'll run all season. We partner with Acra so that we basically give them an ad on the Snowmass City page. And we get an ad on the Aspen City page just to cross market each other. It's net neutral. I mean from a price. We're working with the new company, Knight Decimal. It is very much big brother. We can target people who are those audiences, I showed you in the previous slide, as well as in the geographies I showed you on the previous slide. Who have been to Colorado for more than, we set the parameters, say say 24 hours in the summer, and we can say so now they have some sort of affinity, they've been here for maybe three days. Maybe we don't know where they were, but they have some connection to Colorado. They've already hit our geography target, they've hit our sort of demographic, psychographic audience, and we can go to them with a mobile ad. So it's a little big brother, but we're looking forward to seeing how effective that is. We have a buy with outside online, a violent video we've had great results last year with our video placements. We're actually expanding the number of videos we do. And you can watch these videos on YouTube's, as pre-roll, all sorts of places. And then remarketing, remarketing basically means if you came to our website, we're going to see us again. It's sort of like when you go to Zappos and you say, oh, I like those boots and the boots follow you around the website. We'll snowm as follows you around the website. You're browsing as well. And then for digital, there's a dedicated resources put to promoting the events. And we do that in westward, the DenverPost.com, the Google Display Network, and also remarketing. So that's pretty much how the pie shares. Here is a look of it, our creative for the print. It is a page and a third. We do the, would you run away with me? The copy is more romantic. You know, what is, what if happiness was a single track, etc. And then we, we'd pay off the third of the page with highlights of our events. So that people have the reason to take action. Here's another execution for 5280 and then it is again romantic. This one's more hiking focus and similarly the third of the page with event listings. Am I missing something we go from August 4 through 6 to September 1 through 3? Are we We have, we only do a few of the events on here. We don't do every event. They don't, we have an event every weekend. So we just try to highlight the bigger events that we try to incorporate. This is a look at the creative for brand would be in the middle and then event specific on the sides. This is what you might see digitally. Obviously this will be scaled to the middle and then event specific on the sides. This is what you might see digitally. Obviously this will be scaled to the size of display ad. We'd be buying display ads come in a million sizes, but we're marketing the free concert series almost as an event in itself. And you can see the calls to action are the C lineup, get tickets, explore trails, take it in, and kill it up for the Scottish festival escape. And so these will run in flights for the events, for the various events on a digital platform, again, in multiple different sizes. These are a look at some of the billboards you'd see. Would you run away with me as a brand? Free concert series. What if the stars were the encore? Denver, we'll see with the craft beer rendezvous, what does summer taste like? These aren't quite final. I don't like how you don't kind of know that spear behind it. So we're switching that out. But there'll be a call that tickets and lodging packages start at $95 just to try to get people to remember that and look in. And when you have early season and you have a $30 beer ticket, you can actually get to that number quite easily on a number of properties. And obviously that version of it is digital. The take a sip won't be on a billboard. And then, you know, the balloon festival. If this all works well we should be able to see a 15 second video but we cannot. Anyway we've got all these videos, 15 second videos. We have a brand which is this which is both summer and winter. We managed to put it all in there and then we have one about biking, one about hiking, and one about the concerts as well. And that's what we'll be serving up on YouTube and many other places. We had an incredible completion rate, like 87% of the people completed the videos last year, which is really high. It's really good. We like to support our local stakeholders. So we have a local ad campaign that messages dining retail, biking, hiking, VIK and individual events. So snowmatch shopping hit the retail trail, dining out, explore some nutrient and snowmatch. We have a save the date so that we can now be talking about all of the sort of early summer events, the craft beer rendezvous, we've put these ads in the local papers. We do this on radio. We ask spend times at snow mass sun, we do the post-ring, and we're trying something like Aspen messengers, different event kind of triggers. So you'll see that up and about. We have our Ghost No Mask website is getting a reskin for those of us who aren't technology people. It looks like a whole new website. I saw it Friday. It is amazing. I'm so excited. I will share that with you guys. It's so fresh and modern and just a whole different The wireframes behind it, but I'm super. I think they've done a great job with it. So I can't wait to share that This will be the second summer of the bike snowmass website. We got a ton of great feedback on that and Are just refining it a little bit One of the I think I may have shared this with some of you. I've presented this to the part-time resident's advisor board. Last year when I talked about hike snowmast, they said, why don't you do a hike snowmast? We said, that's a fantastic idea. In May, we'll be launching hike snowmast. We're going to put up a banner on Woodbridge to ask people to give us their feedback and give us, you know, they have little secrets they want to share that insider's tip. I think that will resonate really well with the community and we don't want to just use it for the community. What we found last summer when we were advertising and we, the landing page you went to on a back ad was bike-sum. As you got greater engagement, you're just drilling into what people are looking for and they stay longer and they, you know, are more curious about the website. ViK snowmouse, we updated. That's our very important kid program. As you know, we do it in the winter and then we do it in the summer as a hub for parents to find everything there is to do with children here and that's being updated. And then the snow mass pass is the, we call it the mass pass, but that URL gets you to the mass pike. And yeah, so we use the snow mass pass, but it's that all inclusive three or five day package that you can buy and it's great. We're trying to again extend the stay and you can pick anything, most of blazing adventures activities the bike sunset dinner, but you can also choose the rodeo a lift ticket There are a bunch of things that you can select on the mass pass and it can provide up to like $250 a value per person So we're out there with that Rose yes, sir on the on the bike snowmass site. Mm-hmm. In any way, do you? Is there's the site differentiate bike only trails from multi-use trails? It's on there and what we do, we also make recommendations in terms of which direction to write it, which I think also helps in that sense. And so in addition to providing sort of, if you will, the flat information, which is a weird word to say about Mike and Mountain biking, you know, we try to give some tips, insiders tips, local tips on how to do it. And so that way, I mean, I'm well aware that there's some conflict of time. Yeah, that's why I ask. And so we try to mitigate it to the extent that we can through education. We're not doing anything other than education. At least you're letting people know that there'll be other uses on that trail. Yes. That's a good point. So just some other marketing initiatives. We, you know, obviously, or not obviously, but we have a very active social media presence and we have folks dedicated to posting regularly. We have great folks in the community who provide us content to do that. Our public relations efforts are very proactive and we partner, we have an agency in New York that's bringing some great writers out. We partner with the Aspen Chamber Resort Association to bring some international press. So we do that from London and from Germany and from Mexico this summer. And so we'll bring media here for maybe six days and they spend three here and three in Aspen and that works well for all of us is quite efficient. Email marketing we have, we've really honed in on our database. It's about 55,000 people. We have some folks we don't know anything about. It's like Jace Smith at Gmail and then what we're trying to do is learn more about the people who do engage with us so that we can better reach them and then what we're trying to do is learn more about the people who do engage with us so that we can better reach them and then reach those people we don't know very much about like once a month and then the engagement drops on that but we're trying to really drill down on the people when we know they want to hear about music or they want to hear about biking serving them up more relevant emails. Stay colder communications is so important in what we do. We are doing quarterly meetings with stakeholders to bring them up to date. And in addition, we've expanded the size of our marketing advisory committee, our special events committee, and our group sales advisory committees, just so that we get more input, more regularly from stakeholders. And certainly our guest service centers, actually we had 20,000 people through town park station in January. Sue Whittingham and her staff do a great job there. And at the IceH Discovery Center, we're open in the winter when the mountains open for skiing and in the summer roll be open June 1 through October 1. And that team does a lot of good stuff. Let's see. Just a little highlight on group sales. We're going to start. We have a new group sales director, Alan Palmer. Some of you may have met him. This summer is looking from a room night perspective pretty much on par with last summer from what we anticipate. We have six weeks of what we call FAFSA coming in. We have the American Association for Cancer Research. The Colorado trial lawyers and the public defenders are back. The Living's Church of God promises to be an annual. And that's going to be in the fall. That'll be a really interesting program. They're at the end of the season. So they'll fill up some really nice pocket of availability. Our quest for getting into the FIT market, which means frequent independent traveler for those of you who aren't in the industry, is continuing. We've gotten some traditional tour operator numbers, are up 10 fold in three years. We're working with both receptive tour operators that typically bring folks in. They could be onesy twosies, self-drive vacations, but from international markets as well as some more traditional operators where they might bring a group of people. Where we've really done, I think we have a lot of potential as in the adventure travel operators. We've got about a thousand room nights coming this summer. That's a lot. One example is this group, Epiturian, they're here for six nights and every day, they do some sort of physical activity plus a culinary thing. So one example is they might ride their bikes down to marble distillery, right, and have a distasting with marble down there and then come back up. Hopefully not on our bikes. Show for them. With blazing, and then come back up. Hopefully not on our bikes. Show for them. With blazing will pick them up. And then another day they'll do something and they'll go say rafting and then they'll go wine tasting and pay it in. And then they come back. But it's great because we have them here for six nights. And that one happens to be very much food-based adventures in good company is sort of more of a women's base organization, but they're doing activities and we're getting them here for six nights, which is what we really want to be moving towards in the summer. I think last year, I put Torian to two weeks, they've got four weeks committed this summer and they've got three weeks on hold that they haven't released yet. They're waiting to see. So that'd be seven weeks and now granted. It's only a dozen people a week. But gosh, if we had them all summer long, that'd be great. It's like the road scholar program, those kinds of things. So the group sales team is doing a really nice job and my hat's off to all of them. All right. You guys ready for the 50th? Do you have a question? Yeah, I have a question about biking thing. About biking? Yeah, well, no, I just went on to bike snow mass because I just wanted to see what it looked like. So I mean, I feel like one of the comments that we've gotten a lot this past year is this clash between the bikers and the hikers. And when I pulled up government trail, it doesn't say it's a multi-use trail. It's probably in the little legend, but we could probably make that more obvious. But maybe that when you go to the main page and it tells you all these different things, like maybe you need something like a no before you go, type thing, you know, kind of explaining multi-use, the rules of bikers versus hikers, maybe where water sources are throughout the village, you know, because someone might be like, oh my god, I'm dehydrated or whatever it is. Or there are, you know, dogs on leashes, that kind of thing. I mean, maybe just like a no before you go section. Okay. Yeah, very good. That would be my very good. And you could do the same thing on the hiking. For absolutely. would be my very good. The problem would be- The problem would be- And you could do the same thing on the hiking side. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, it should be consistent. It should be consistent, right? Yeah, that's great idea. We will do that. So that's all. Otherwise, it's great. Okay, thank you. And I like how the hike snow mass shows both Tom Blake trails. So it's not traditionally the equestrian trail it kind of been for horses only, but I think it's good that we're pushing it out there that it is a hiking option. Yeah. And the hike is not officially launched that. Yeah. So we're hoping to launch that in May. And it links now to, what does it go to? It's probably going to the parks and rep trail. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably where to the parks and right trail. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably where it's headed. So we will send out and we can send it out in Clint's weekly when the heights hike snowmass. And I know some of you are avid hiker. So you know, one of the things that I really appreciated with the bike website is so many locals took the time to give us great input. I mean, it's really hard to be sitting upstairs in a cubicle and coming up with all this stuff, right? So even if you're passionate about it, so the more eyes on it, the better, and the more we can tweak it and make it super useful. One of the reasons just to back up a second that we decided to do by Snowmass is when we did some competitive analysis, there really aren't very many places or we couldn't find any where you could go to a destination and find a website that had all biking. So you could go to, if you were in our valley, let's say you could go to the equivalent of the ski company's site and find out about the downhill. And then you could go to the equivalent of the Parks and Recs department and find out about what they do. And then you could go to the equivalent of the Parks and Rex Department and find out about what they do. And then you could go to Pitkin County Open Space and find out what they do. But there was no place that put it all together into one. And so we thought, well, this would be a great resource that we can pull from all of these resources and actually have a hub for road and mountain biking in one place. And so that's kind of, I don't know why I digress to that, but that was kind of the genesis of it. Why are we making a consumer go to three places? And actually, SkiCo owned bike snowmasses, and they gave it to us so that we could actually do this better service to the consumer by doing that. All right. And the snow mass pass is in cooperation with blazing? Yeah, we like to say it's powered by blazing adventures. Not everything you get on the mass pass is a blazing's product. They will sell gondola tickets. They will sell rodeo tickets. They will sell, I believe they're selling camp at the Snowmass Rec Center. A day camp for kids at the snowmass rec center. So if there are other vendors who have products that can fit into the, a couple that we have a difficult time doing because of the price point is fly fishing and horseback riding. They're a little too expensive and or inventory controlled. So that blazing doesn't have the ability, I mean they can sell a gondola ticket and they can sell a rodeo ticket because those, they don't really sell out. And you know, it's okay, right? To have one more person or two more people go. Whereas the others are, from a price point in an inventory control, they have a harder time doing. So it just lives under their domain. They're doing the transacting. So we don't transact, but we're helping them with the website and stuff. Okay, are we ready for 50th? Yeah, 50th. Okay, so super excited. We have been meeting with a dedicated group of community members since October to come up with what we're going to be celebrating. So the 50th anniversary, our goals and objectives are really around three things. One is to drive occupancy for what we're calling the anniversary celebration weekend. You'll hear about that in a second. We want to create a platform and some tools that stakeholders can use to drive business and engagement. We are fortunate as a community to have a really, really high repeat rate, and so we want to make sure that the lodges and the shops and the restaurants who have ways of reaching out to their past guests have really good content and stuff to share with them, right? And then the last goal is really about celebrating our community and having some fun. And so we want to make sure that we've developed a program that is inclusive and kind of everybody can see themselves there in there somewhere. The logo that you see to the right of this page is going to be our official logo. Aspen's key company developed it and they will be producing merchandise for sale and they will allow other retailers to resell that merchandise. They will let us make some things that we give away and then anybody can use it in the community for to put on a brochure and an ad and an email, that kind of stuff. So the anniversary kicks off with this anniversary weekend. It's December 15 to 17, December 15. We will have 1967 pricing, which is a $6.50 lift ticket. Right? Before you think you can buy 100 of them and get yourself a $650 season pass, that ticket will only be available, I mean, it will only work on snowmess on that Friday. So with the codes and stuff, that's the, there you can use it. That night, it's a Friday night, there will be basically picture of you learn night up at camp, but without the outdoor fun, because it's early season. And so you pay to go and you pay to play. So if you want to have a cup of coffee while you're up there, it's a cheap night. If you're going to go by rounds for everybody there, you're going to spend a lot. And then in the evening, when we come down, we'll do fireworks over Fannie Hill that night. On Saturday night, we've got a couple of people who have volunteered at Whitney Gordon and Brita Gustafson are going to spearhead banana days for those of you who remember banana days. Yeah, that's fun. Oh, it's fun. And it'll be banana days. And then we will have Randy Wood. Many of you know him is taking on planning this golden gala. It's at the viceroy. It will only 300 people can attend. Tickets will be on sale in June. I'm sure they'll sell out quickly. A hundred dollar ticket. And we have commissioned a 50th anniversary film. We've taken the 40th anniversary film that was done and are getting new and different interviews and blending it all together. That film will be between 25 and 30 minutes long. It'll premiere at the gala. And what we have been talking to restaurants in the community too, and we've gotten very nice feedback is we're asking Every restaurant in the that in the village to either offer either or a $19.67 prefix or a $50 prefix and we've got some restaurants that say that's awesome I'll do a burger and a beer at the bar for $19.67 and I'll do a three-course dinner for 50 so that we can go out to the public because only 300 people can go to that party, right? And so I think we're gonna see if they offer on both Friday and Saturday night, or maybe even Sunday night as well, where we go out there with a really strong marketing message that you can come and down here and it's gonna be a lot of fun. On Sunday, we will do an on-mountain retro party, Steve Sools committing to recreating the cabin for the cabin jump. That's a nice view. The idea is that they will get some ski schoolers and AVSC to do a demo. Let's just say, I won't say you and I because maybe Bill, you can go jump it. I can't. So it's not going to be like open to the public to jump it but it'll be fun. There'll be an exhibition rail jam and then a picnic at Spiderman's Sabot again pay to play by your lunch but it'll be typical burgers or whatever they put out there. So that's the anniversary weekend activities. We have a lot, as I mentioned a lot of people who are community members who are stepping up to help plan and organize this. It's the kickoff of a season long celebration. So on the mountain, all of the original trails will have gold signs on them. Ski-ko's going to do, so how's hollow? The sign will be gold, the letters will be in blue. And that will be an original trail from 1967. Right? So, and those will stay up all season long. How many of those are there? I don't know that anybody is really quite counted on, but they're going to switch them out the summer. So, ski coast committed to doing that. You know, this is the ski area's 50th and. As you all know, it's not the town's 50th, it's not the valley's 50th. So this is a big partnership and they are taking a big hit on the lift ticket price. Obviously, we're gonna hopefully they'll make some of it up in merchandise sales and in eulerny type things and stuff. They, East West partners has committed and has, there are already working on the construction fence will be a mural of our history, which will end with renderings. I assume it's going to end with renderings of what's to come. And they think that will be up this summer. They're going to kind of take that blue wall and read, and let's say transform it into the history of STEMass. Brita Gustafson is spearheading a Facebook page, which is great with her 50 story issue. We'll pepper it with some of her articles and invite people to share their stories and their pictures. Again, when I talked about this at Petra last month, everybody afterwards, well not everybody, a few people get, like, where do I send my pictures? I want to, you know, my family's been here and I want to be part of it. We as I said, there'll be a not a bunch of 50th anniversary logo merchandise right now. The state we're in on that is gathering from stakeholders. What do they want us to produce? Do we need hoodies or do we, you know, just get a sense of what the catalog, if you will, should be? We've committed to doing anniversary fireworks monthly. It's a little, frankly, smoke amirs. We do a lot of fireworks anyway, so we're gonna call them anniversary fireworks, maybe add one set. We are talking to somebody who's very interested in sponsoring a weekly anniversary apprae party, and so I don't want to say who they're almost there in committing, so you'll hear about it. But the idea is that you don't have to be here on that weekend or the day and the month that we do fireworks. There's something going on all the time. A couple of bars have said that they would like to suggest that on that celebration weekend they do 1967 pricing for an hour. I think that sounds a little dangerous. But anyway, we'll see what that looks like. And other ideas being explored. We are talking with our friends down at Anderson Ranch about helping us create a 50th anniversary selfie station that we can put either in base village in the mall or both, so people can take their picture and amplify it through social media. I mentioned the village-wide prefix dinners on the 15th and or 16th. We've talked about an exhibit of old uniforms and equipment, sort of a femurot and finding little pocket places we've met with the historical society, and they strongly discourage us from trying to do an actual exhibit, but rather because of the value and insurance and climate control, but maybe we have somebody who's who's thinking of taking this on and finding little pocket areas where we can have maybe a display of ski boots since 1967 or throughout. So we're looking at that. We're trying to get them up with some official reunion weeks. Mary Harris is spearheading that just to try to see if we can reach out to people who have worked here as lefties or ski schoolers and moved away to get them to come back at some point throughout the season. We're talking about a group's component. Next January will be the 49th anniversary of the American College of Cardiology. Right. And like them, they're, well, unlike them because they're singular in their loyalty. But we've had a ton of groups who have been here 30 plus times and such. So we want to come up with an idea that will help us celebrate those folks when they're here, because there's not like one day they're all here. And so we thought about doing something that I like to call the Stanley Cup, something where we add their name to something that we just pay publicly. And we can say, the American College of Cardiology since 1968 or something that we do that addition when they're here. It scares me if that thing above it is art like, but anyway, just, I think that's wonderful. Yeah. They gave other hearts, so they're wallets. Yeah, so the other thing we've been talking about is doing a commemorative magazine or your book. And we've talked to Sojourner about helping us with this. We are right now exploring funding mechanisms for it and have done quite a bit of, I guess, three kinds of research, right? So we've done a little straw poll of our stakeholders to say, would you buy into this? Would you buy a full pay dad? How would you want to participate? Would you, if you're a hotel, put them in each room, so we have to figure out how many. We have this idea of going to people, those of us who live in the community and allowing you to buy into it like a yearbook or a listing. We've made about eight phone calls to various people, some of whom may be related to people in this room. And what we found is that local folks would, about $100 feels good. If I can say rose since whatever, 19, then that, about $100 I would buy it for my family and be part of it. If we do this, what I'm excited about is I think what we'll try to do at one of the summer concerts is have a community-wide photo before our concert and invite everybody to come and, you know, take a community picture. So the other thing we're exploring is we've talked to some stakeholders and to see if we can go to, let's say, our major vendors and say, hey, will you help congratulate us and buy an ad congratulating snowmass on your 50th Cisco foods? Or whoever the vendors are in the community. And we've gotten a little bit of feedback, so we're exploring this. I'm hopeful tourism can help support this, but I don't think we can fully fund this publication, so we're going to need to find these alternative revenue sources. Is there going to be, or are you talking about including articles? Oh, absolutely. As well, or is it just an ad book? No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, there's tons of editorial content. And so we will do one of the ideas is to do this then and now where we take a business and show what they were when they started and what they look like now. But we will have tons of editorial in it. And it'll be on the news stands all season long. So one of the folks we talked to owns a business. And he said he would not only, he would definitely buy this for his business, because his business has been around 40 some years. But he'd also buy one for his family. And he's going to be trivlet his equivalences. What I would buy, one full page ad and a publication like Sojourner, Raspon, Magazine, or Peak or one of those. For one issue, I'll be in it for the whole season so I can rationalize that. Traditionally, STEM as businesses aren't huge advertisers and so that's why we're trying to make sure that we've got it covered before we commit to doing it, that we can move forward and publish this book. But yes, absolutely. That's it. We would have a lot of good content and talk about our history. And the good thing is we've got tons of content. You know, those folks who did the 40, the story of Snowmass, it kind of came out at the 45th. And it did a tremendous job getting all of this stuff. That film we're doing, we will have a two minute trailer of it and a 30 second teaser of it available in June. So that all of the hotels can use it. Now the whole thing won't be ready in June but in our intentions not to have it out there before this weekend but the idea behind it is that our stakeholders and the lodges and stuff they can put it on their website, they can email it out to their past guests, to their owners. One of the big things we got in support of this yearbook concept is a couple of the property management companies said their HOA, their owners will buy this. You know, they think that this is something that their owners would be very proud to be part of. So, any other question? Look at that. Any questions? I was wondering if there was anything. You know, this keeps swirling around in my mind. You know, this is 50 years and the towns getting close to being 50. We don't have any place where we put our history. We don't have a museum or anything. There have been any thought within the tourism department about how we might be able to collect and celebrate the history in a place. And then that goes into snowmass hall of fame type, just thoughts. Yeah, we haven't thought about that specifically in terms of a physical space, but we felt that this Facebook page and how we're redesigning the websites. And you know, when you, it's hard to explain, but we'll be able to put what would be like a content block, like a blog post anywhere on the website now. It's just before it was very linear and now it's going to be like this, like you can draw from anything on any page. So we can, we've talked about archiving this stuff so that we can pepper it in other places But we haven't frankly had any conversation about establishing a physical place a museum any kind of Archive for the community You know, I as I said the folks who did the book the source no mess. I think did a lot of heavy lifting They did a lot of heavy lifting a lot did a lot of heavy lifting. A lot of it's right there. And we did that celebration. I think it was the 40th when the book was the 45th that came out as I was in here, but that's how I know. Yeah, I was the MC for that whole thing. Oh, that's right. Put the whole event together. I will tell you we sold out in 48 hours of all the tickets we had standing room only in the lobby that night. But one of the challenges we had, we also sold pictures of snowmass way back when. In order to get those, all of the photos, the most of them were donated by Betsy Chafon. It took hours and hours because Aspen had combined all of those films in with this escape in 1967. So Snowmass wasn't separated, they've done that now. But the point was, you worry that Snowmass gets lost. And that was a reminder way back when we did that event. We got lost. Yeah, they've done a good job now, but I would, you know, I keep thinking about the little red schoolhouse. If it is to move over towards, could we do a senior center combined with historicals? It's not my ass-holophane type. I don't know. That's for another day. Yeah. Yeah. The answer to your question is no. we haven't thought of a physical space at it. We have thought about how do we leverage the stories and how do we get them ample fun. And that's all of our thinking has really been around digital and how do we get them shared. And I mean, the idea of this Facebook page and not even- I think it's great. And not doing it ourselves because we feel like a little too corporate, right? Is so that people share, you know, they can post it and then they share it to their networks. And because we're more, like it just, it feels funny, we're not corporate work government, but it seems to be our critic versus Britta who has graciously offered to curate this. And she's just brilliant in our history. I think she's our resident historian and she's very, she did the book. She's awesome. And so to have her curate that and sort of make connections and tie people together I think is super powerful. Yeah. And it'll be curious to see, I mean, we can give it some thought but it really hasn't even crossed our mind. You know, that's not the some thought, but it really hasn't even crossed our line. Now that's not the purpose of tonight, but it's up here. Yeah. Okay, any questions? I'm good. I just thank you guys for your support. Thank you for your team. I'd like to thank our marketing advisory board. They put in a lot of time and have a great idea, as well as the whole tourism team. Good team. Thanks for the sweet hours. Thank you. Any other business coming before us tonight? That's not noticed. If not, town council reports and actions. I have nothing. Alyssa Tindard-Draft for me last week because I had an office emergency. It's so very exciting. Yeah. What happened? Well, it's always exciting at RAP. Mars Public Health Board. Thank you. Bill? Anything? I don't have anything. I mean, you want me to talk about what happened at RAP? Yeah. In 30 seconds. Well, they talked about the legislation. Yeah. And it about the legislation. Yeah. And it dropped, they dropped the amount. It's like now down to 50 something, since. Right. From point 16 to point 15. Yeah. And then they just talked about the control use. What does it, ACP? Yeah, the plan. And just talking about preserving the corridor and what that was looking like and about some of the people that because of an error that was made and by the survey or whatever about these people that whose land is in the corridor and about the fencing and but it was good. Happy to be there. Okay if there's no other business coming before us, do I have a motion for a German? So moved. Do I have a second? Second. All in support? Hi. Hi. Oh, same sign. Thank you. 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