Snowmass Village and this would be May 7th. Something like that. Eight. Well, you know, I don't know what day of the week it is. It's Monday. I know for sure. Just a few drugs here here and there for this foot. Let's go ahead and get started. In fact, you know, Barbara will ask you to let people, we all need to know who's here. So people who are watching or listening, to let people, we all need to know who's here. So people who are watching or listening, knows who is here. So let's go for it. OK. What's up? Here. Bill. Here. Tom? Here. Markey. Markey. And we have Joe Coffee, Clint Kenney, Bill Amont, and David Myler, and John Dresser, and Julian Woods, and Travis. And. Hey there, how are you? And Annie. Huh? They don't have to sit up here. Because you're the attorney. What about Joe? Oh, he's in charge of housing. OK, we're going to beat up on each other. Welcome. Don't welcome to the town council session. Please know we all this is what we call open conversation. We want everybody to feel welcome to say whatever they want to. We look forward to the topics this evening and with that I'm going to turn it over to Clint. I'll say over to David. David approached, I'll say a couple things. David approached Joe and I maybe a few weeks back, six weeks back with an idea. Maybe as long as that, he didn't look it up. It has been a while. Yeah. But with an idea and then since that point, he's developed this memorandum, this update that came to you all. And he's been going up and down the valley, talking with different entities. And one of the opportunity to update the town council on what's going on with their efforts and just make sure you're up to speed on those efforts to get any feedback that you might have. And with that, I'll hand it up to David. Mr. Lamont and I have been on the road for quite some time talking to local governments from rifle to ask them about the idea of approaching the production of workforce housing on a regional basis. And interestingly, with respect to every jurisdiction that we've talked to, counties and cities and towns, a lack of affordable workforce housing is number one or two priority as a problem to be solved by each and every local government, probably not a surprise to view and to the Aslan and Pick and County because you guys have been working on these issues for many, many years. But it's coming to a head, as we all know, and the stories that you hear day in and day out and read about in the newspapers about not being able to hire teachers and firefighters or even people to work on the mountains just are occurring all the time. Everybody's facing the same problem. So if you think of the Ruringfork Valley as a single community with a fairly mobile workforce, it starts to make sense to think about trying to produce housing for the workforce unrelated to the housing that is generated through the development process on a regional basis. Where one community, we ought to get together and work together, figure out where the housing belongs, who it's going to be targeted to, and buy the land and get it built. Or in some cases buy units and de-restrict them. There are a myriad of options that could be pursued in order to increase the inventory of housing available for our workforce without tying it into, or needing it to be tied into the development approval process. We're making up for the shortfall in housing and trying to approach it on a regional basis, transit-oriented, appropriate locations, making sure that we are following the land use criteria in policies of the jurisdictions in which this housing will be located. We put together a little memo that kind of outlines the mission in what a multi-jurisstictional housing authority is all about. I don't know if you've had a chance to look at it, so I'll give you just a brief overview. About 12 years ago, the legislature basically gave us the tool that we can use to approach housing on a regional basis. They authorize the creation of what they're calling a multi-jurisdictional housing authority. Forming it is not all that difficult. Any combination of cities, towns, and counties can get together, enter into an intergovernmental agreement and create one of these animals. They'll decide on governance, who's going to be on the board of directors. They decide on the mission. They decide on funding. What separates it from normal housing authorities is that the legislature also gave this group the ability to go to the voters and ask for tax revenues. We can ask the voters to approve up to five mills of property tax and up to 1% of sales tax. We're also authorized to implement an impact fee system based on new development. So it shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody that forming these things isn't all that difficult. Getting voter approval is really where the challenge is. And then spending the money wisely based on a sensible program for housing production in terms of location type, who were serving broad spectrum of the employee income categories. Both rental and for sale, you know, coming up with the game plan, I guess if you wanted to call it that. So far, in talking to jurisdictions, again, from rifle to assmen, we have pretty broad support from Eagle County, Garfield County. We believe Pitkin, we're meeting with the commissioners on Wednesday, but I've had many discussions with Steve Child, who's very excited about having the county participate in a regional effort. Glenwood Springs, Carbondale, Basalt, are all on board. Newcastle wants to be on board. Aspen is still thinking about it, but they're in kind of a unique situation. And I don't blame them for this position that was expressed by the city manager we haven't met with the council yet. And that is that Aspen gets a lot of criticism for not housing enough of its workforce, even though they probably house more of their workforce than any community of their size on Earth. They still get a lot of criticism. And so they're kind of committed to spending the resources that they have, a real estate transfer tax, within the urban growth boundary, as opposed to participating in a regional approach. On the other hand, and snowmast may be in the same boat, there's nothing to prevent, Aspen or any of the other jurisdictions in the area who don't actually become members of this regional housing authority from participating on a case-by-case basis if the project makes sense as far as housing for its workforce. So that, it's in a nutshell that we're trying to get local governments to get together, enter into an intergovernmental agreement to create one of these authorities and then plan a strategy for approaching the voters and asking for funding. In that regard, we have gotten commitments from most all of the local governments that we've been dealing with to contribute some capital to do a needs assessment, which will form the basis of that educational process with the voters. The needs assessment will cover the entire area that we believe will be within the regional housing authority. And those entities that have expressed an interest in participating have selected representative to participate in drafting an IGA. So the memo tells you kind of where we were in March, not much has happened since then other than additional buy-in from some other communities and commitments to fund a needs assessment and a representative to start working on a draft of an intergovernmental agreement. And we talked to Clint and Joe and there were some concerns about whether this was a good fit for snowmass village. If it's not, we understand, but we thought we should meet with you. Answer questions. You can share your comments with us and we'll go from there. We certainly don't want to exclude any of the local governments in the Rengford Valley from participating, but we understand that each of you have different needs and concerns and criteria that you would want to consider. And so being that this is a work in progress, you have to say, I'll let Bill add anything. I have a lot of questions. Because to an extent, it's the thought of another authority is similar to all of the actions that occurred in the formation of Raffa, similar and similar types of communities. But before we even go there, do we happen to know or do you happen to know what type of housing program the various jurisdictions you're referencing. Currently have like rifle and new castle and silt and Garfield County in general. Glimwood Springs, Carbandale. I don't know. I'm more familiar with the jurisdictions from Glenwood up Valley. Okay. And everybody is in the same sort of mode of requiring affordable housing and connection with new development, putting deed restrictions on the units and then managing them through either the Garfield County Housing Authority or APCHA or SNOMAS through Joe Caw. What kind of mitigation are we talking about Dave for like Garfield County? 20% okay. But again it's all tied to new development and new development is a job generator and in my experience going back to the first housing programs here in Snowmass in 79 we're never getting enough housing to address the jobs that are generated by the new development that produces the housing. And so for a period of 30 years, we've been generating more and more of a shortfall in terms of the inventory that's really necessary to house the workforce, at least in reasonable proximity to where people work. And so the idea behind this new regional authority is to make up that shortfall, to be the production arm of all of the members with a mission of simply identifying sites and producing housing, or buying existing units and data stricken them. We have no illusions that we will solve everybody's problem. No, and 20% mitigation factor is, I will say this is almost a joke. Right, it's never been enough. No, it's never been enough. It's produced a lot. I mean, I don't want to say that we haven't gotten a lot housing as a result of mitigation. But, you know, you guys have been around here for a long time. It's no surprise that we're coming up short. And speaking of just referencing Raffta, Garfield County is not a member of Raffta. And neither is Rifle, new castle is now, silt is not. But they want to be part of the program to get the bus service, but don't want to pony up if you go to the bar to put money in. What type of commitment are you getting from these communities? Are they interested? Not just in terms of their mouth, but in terms of investment. I think they're all and Bill you can weigh in on this too. Everybody has expressed interest in the concept. Everybody has also expressed the devil is in the details and they all understand that in order for this to work, some of the silos that exist around each jurisdiction need to be broken down. And we need to be willing to look at housing as a regional problem that lends itself to a regional solution. I think they're all also willing to say, let's go ahead and try to put together an IGA to find our mission and how we think we're going to get there. And ultimately, it's up to the voters to give us the funding. Without funding, the regional housing authority just is a group of people sitting around talking about how bad the problem is. So ultimately, this is an exercise in going to the voters for some form of property tax and sales tax. They all understand that. And so they're going to basically put it on the voters to decide whether they want to do it. At this point, it's basically from Newcastle on up the valley. Whether we go further west down the Colorado River Valley, that's another issue. Garfield County is interested. They're interested and we've met with the City Council of Newcastle. So we've come all the way up to your doorstep now as the last two entities in the valley here, the Rowing Fort Valley, to find out the level of interest. Well, we've either met with managers or face-to-face like this with elected officials in major jurisdictions. danger restrictions. Right now it kind of looks like the authority might be made up of Garfield, Eagle, Pitkin, Glenwood, Assault, Carbondale, and Newcastle. The boundaries of the authority would probably be at this point and again it's a work in progress. So nothing is cast in concrete here would be the Asman School District, less the city of Asman. Don't know about you guys. And the Roryng Fork School District, which would include Glenwood, Carbandale, Besalt, and parts of Eagle County. Well, it seems to be a little hard for a rowing fork school district after they just passed the tax that included employee housing within that school bond. Well we'll see. We're actually hoping that the voters understand what they did for the school district was a one time shot and we're going to get maybe, I don't know, 50-60 units out of it. What we're talking about is a long-term funding source that will be invested in housing projects up and down the valley. We could go back to a comment that you made earlier about RAPTA. Depending on what jurisdiction you're in, RAPTA is either a great example of a regional approach to a problem, a terrible example. Exactly. And we've got some of those feelings to overcome. Exactly. You mentioned the school is, and the $5 million for, that carbon deals are receiving will get them 16 units, the possibility on the outside of 18 units. And the problem with the bond issue is a one-off. They got the $5 million, they can't go back next year and ask for another bond issue to build more units. So the basic beauty of this is that it would be a permanent or you could put a sunset. And if the sunset, some at county put in a sunset and the sunset was 10 years and they passed it in 2006. Last year they went back to the voters because it was sunsetting and they had a 77% approval from the voters to continue it with no sunset calls. So where it has been successful and the only good example we have is some accounting. Gunnison counties in the process of adopting or attempting to adopt one in Gunnison County. They had their needs survey done last fall. They're in the process of trying to decide when to go to the voters to ask for the funding. The other aspect of permanent or at least a 10-year revenue source is that you can bond the monies that you're receiving and Dave working to identify that 10 million will get us $200 million according to the bond houses. So that begins to move us into a major ball game as opposed to the $15 million that the school district got $5 million, $5 for carbon-ale and $5 for salt. And so the flexibility of having that funding source allows the communities and as Dave said to invest if there's a development being proposed in we're up the front and can bring money to the table. We would have the opportunity then of locking in a number of units in a development which we didn't have to go through the process of designing and getting all the improvements. So it gives us great flexibility by having that funding source that you can rely on. What type of money are we talking about today for the needs assessment? We're just about to put an RFP out and we budgeted like 50 to 75,000 per community. No, total. And Colorado Housing and Finance Authority has agreed to match the local contributions. So we're probably looking at maybe $5,000 in entity plus a match from Chaffa. Our field county is committed to provide funding. Not identified how much, but they have committed to provide funding. Carbon Dale is about to go out for a needs survey this spring. So they're sitting there and they pull theirs off the table with the idea that if the other communities are all involved, that makes a lot more sense. And carbon deal trying to identify its needs as opposed to the entire valley. Just so you guys, we're hoping to have our needs assessment. We did one in seven, eight, eight, say it's called eight, and we're updating, excuse me, we're updating it now in house. So if that's information that would be helpful, we can obviously make that available. There's really a ton of information out there. And so I think the consultant and the RFP for the consultant is going to identify that a big part of the job is just assembling the data that's already in existence. Chaffa, for example, just completed a statewide analysis done what they called barriers and whatever, but gaps, gaps and barriers. But it was essentially a statewide needs assessment. What communities and to what extent are people in the communities burdened by housing costs where they're having to pay more than 30% of their income for a decent place to live? And you'd be amazed. It's an epidemic-type problem all across the state. And the state agencies are doing everything they can. Chaffa made 1.3 billion in loans to low and modern income families last year. And a lot of that is driven by the fact that rental properties are being converted to for sale. And the inventory of rental properties is disappearing right in front of her eyes. It's a really serious problem. And I think regions are going to need to step up and do what we're suggesting here as part of the mix. The state's not going to do it. The federal government is likely to cut back on a lot of its programs for housing. Fortunately, the tax credit program seems to be in good shape right now with our new Congress. But a lot of the other programs are going to be, you know, a sliced huge big time. And it's going to be up to the states and the local governments and the regions, I think, to step in and try to work on this issue. I guess one of the questions I would ask Joe is, what is our housing shortfall now? And the other would be the pros and cons. Well, I mean mean that's a political perpetrator, isn't it? Yes. Because you know, I have this whole belief that jurisdictions years ago should have thought about the legacy of children of tomorrow that will be birthed within their community and have begun to plan versus someone else taking care of them. So I'm sorry that that's kind of my philosophical belief in our forefathers years ago here in Snowmass. So employee housing critical and set the stage for us to be very successful. Just as Apcha has over an aspect. But it's interesting to always know what's our shortage and what do we see and we can do this offline council in terms of pros and cons but well I think is there is everyone knows in this room there's a shortage in snow masks as well. Is there TV port closer? Oh. Okay. We have a need for both rental and sales units. And I do agree with what you said, Dave, about the mitigation housing isn't keeping up. But, you know, it hasn't ever kept up. So, fortunately, we're trying to get 60 percent, you know, with hasn't ever kept up. So fortunately, we're trying to get 60% you know, a full-time employee's house in snow mass. But that's still not apparently enough. We do have some property left in snow mass. So I'm kind of light in a way I side with some of the Aspen officials I suppose. I would like to see us build out our housing and snowmast first because when you put our employees down valley that's impacting another community. And I think our employees as much as possible should be housed up here. I've always felt like that. Not to say that, you know, I'm opposed to it. I just, that's always been my preference. If we don't have the units here in Snowmass, I have a feeling we might lose control of them a little bit too. And right now we control our housing pretty tightly We have a feeling we might lose control of them a little bit too. And right now we control our housing pretty tightly in an effort to house snow mass village employees first. So they get the top priority and the MPIC in county gets second priority. So that, and by doing it that way, we do try to keep the employees here in snowmast and off the highways. Right. The weight list, again, you know, we might have 80 people or so waiting right now for a rental unit. Our sales units, it's a mixture. it depends on the product that we're selling. Recently, we've sold a few two and three bedroom units, and we've had more, we've had quite a bit of interest in those. There's probably been 12 to 15 people in those lotteries. And we do our lotteries a little different. These are qualified people. If one of those 15 people were to win, they would be qualified. So we know that they're a qualified buyer. Other than that, I really think that the lower valley needs to step up and do something with housing. I've been doing this for a long time in snow mass and I can say that snow mass has really put forth a lot of effort to create the housing that we have. We're housing about 700 people up here right now. A little bit more than that, actually, in our housing program. And for a village this size, I think that's very commendable. And I'd like to see us build some more up here within our city limits. Was there anything else? No, it's very helpful. It's not that I'm against participating in a study, but we already know what our needs are, and we could fold those in to any type of study, to put more money out on the table. Yeah, I don't think anybody who would participate in this regional authority would ever suggest a snowmess or mass and any other communities, either housing programs any different than they are. What would you anticipate voting ours into regional? Well, I think that things may change, but I doubt it. I don't think that estimates snowmess are ever going to house enough of the workforce to make you feel comfortable. And those people are going to have to live somewhere. And by participating in a regional approach, you may have some influence. Over. Can you get closer to my close-up? I would give you some influence over where they live and the availability of housing personnel mass billage employees. I made an decision to move down valley a long time ago and I'm coming back. Believe it or not. But you know, we're just, you can't. Aspen Peking County snowmast village are a very important economic engines in this valley. And part of the reason that we're all successful is because we do have aggressive land use policies that restrict the amount of development that's going to take place, whether it be free market or workforce housing. And so you're always going to be coming up short when it comes to housing your entire workforce. And would you want to participate in a regional authority to provide housing for the rest of your workforce? I guess that's the question. If not, if you're comfortable with what you're doing and you're doing the best that you can for your community And I do believe you are and maybe it doesn't make any sense and this authority goes forward primarily with Pitkin County and the Down Valley Local governments and you and you watch it we can always add people to this authority after time the Summit County of Example that we use for example started with Summit County example that we use, for example, started with Summit County in one municipality. And now all of the Summit County municipalities are in it. And the voters have renewed the tax by a 70% margin. So it's working in other areas. 77. 77%. What do they say, 76? 76? 76 strong bonds, man maybe that's what I was thinking. But anyway, you know, if it's not a good fit for some ass village, I get it. But, you know, we'll keep you in the loop. We'll keep you apprised as everything that we're doing. And if you think there's an opportunity for you to participate, you're always gonna be welcome. I'd be interested in seeing what other municipalities are going to do. Well, we've talked about, you know, this is a global thing in North allies. It's not snowmessage problems, not aspirin problems. It's up to down the valley. We are on that. I question when we get into rifle, when we get into silte and nose areas down there, which direction are the workers going? Are they going through the Glenwood Canyon? Or are they coming up? Highway 82. That's a very interesting question, and it's a bit of a moving target if you would probably expect. I mean, in terms of trying to get the local governments in this region to agree on what time of day it is, is sometimes a bit of a change to come together on something like this. To get as much enthusiastic support as we've had is remarkable. But the idea of including the down valley, you know, down valley from Glenwood into the authority was raised by Mike Samson and the other Garfield County commissioners because they just didn't want to leave out half of their county. But what evolved was the realization that if we're going to have an authority that represents Newcastle, Silt, Rifle, Pattershute, Battlement, Mesa, it's going to be separate from the authority that represents Glenwood on up. Newcastle will probably not be geographically within the, well actually it will, but there'll be a gap between, part of Garfield County and Newcastle if they choose to participate. But- Ralph, Frampan, if history, sure- Thank you, I'm sure you're- All of those, most over 70% of those workers that got on the I-70 quarter bus, they landed in Glenwood Springs where they worked. They didn't come up, Ali. I know, especially with the construction of the bridge going on, a lot of people don't want to come up to send it to Valley, okay? We think that geographically, it doesn't make sense to have a district or not a district, an authority that's at that large, and it's that diverse when it comes to the politics and the economics that are in bone. So we're not suggesting that the boundaries of the authority go any further than Glenwood Springs except maybe for Newcastle. And the reason for that Newcastle made it very clear. We are a bedroom community for Glenwood Springs. We'd like to see units located here for that purpose. It would appear to me that if there's a tie between the transit and the housing. Absolutely. And to what extent? To what extent? To what extent? Have there been conversation about trying to tie the strategy between the Rafta strategy and strategic direction for the next five to ten years, and with what a housing authority might do. Is there been any conversation? We spent quite a bit of time with Dan Blankenship talking about all of that. Bill, as a former planning guru, as you probably already know. So he and I have, and with my land use background, I have had many discussions about the interrelationship between producing housing, transportation, and the land use goals and objectives of the various communities up and down the valley. Workforce housing is growth. It has impacts. It generates traffic. It takes up space. We can't expect to go out and buy relatively cheap farmland and turn it into new subdivisions. That is absolutely not the goal. As a matter of fact, I would like to invest a substantial portion of whatever money the taxpayers give us in buying existing units and de-restricting them and not creating new units and new growth. And joint venturing with the developers of new projects think the tree farm and doubling the amount of affordable housing they have or tripling it or quadrupling it. I think that's a much more sensible approach. Well I can certainly see Glenwood, you know Garfield County, Salt Carbondale getting involved because they don't have an employee housing program. So absolutely. They do. They do their housing programs. They all do. But it's yeah it's like this. It's all tied. But it's, yeah, it's still to the soul. It's all tied to mitigation, however. Yeah. Right, right. So for someone like some S. Village who we have an established program and we have some kind of targets as far as where we're we want to develop more, I kind of look at it as dividing up the pie a little bit more of what we're already trying to achieve. I mean, I'm a proponent of employee housing, but to that same note, are we exporting our problem down valley? And really we want to try and, as Joe said, try and how's our workers here? So would the taxpayers go for a tax increase, whether a P-sale stacks their property tax, to make that pile a larger and build something in carbon Dale, for example. I mean that's the big question. So yeah, I guess that's I think you're well aware that the view down Valley is that snowmass on the problem That's what traffic is coming from to come up here So individual communities down there So they have flip side of what you're looking at here and The basic idea of looking at this regional basis has the ability to make dampen those dramatic views that are there. I mean, you're the problem if you go to carbon daily, you go to the language you've heard before all the traffic coming through Glenwood and Posse of Bridges is coming up to Aspen and Snowlands. So I mean, sort of heard flip side of what your concerns are here. The idea of having a regional approach may not be that you are part of it formal. That's a decision you would have to make, and you will make. But the idea that the people are sitting in the same room and we were looking at the representative of each of the elected official jurisdictions as really being the ones that are doing this. I mean, Dave and I are just trying to get this off the ground. It will be up to the individual communities to come together. And one, look at what they think makes sense from a financing standpoint. What makes sense from a planning standpoint? I can tell you now that the Garfield County plan, they've made the decision that any urban development must go in the urban service area of the individual community. However, they drew a three mile limit around that, not necessarily based on water and sewer or roads, but just what the state requires a three mile limit. It probably doesn't make a lot of sense. So, as part of this process would be a re-evaluation of what is going on planning wise in the valley among the different entities. The other aspect is, I think it would be very counterproductive for the individual communities to start saying, and I understand snowmasses and Aspen trying to provide as much, and as Dave said, you're the leaders in the country as far as what you've done. But if you're talking to salt, or you're talking carbon daily, you're talking to the Linwood, the idea is we're housing the people for upvalley. And so the idea of having a regional perspective amongst the communities, one, to identify, okay, what makes sense? And where does it make sense? The issues that are going on at Mid Valley right now with the tree farm proposal. Do they have the studies to back up? People are claiming there has not been a transportation study. So it's going to have to be from a planning perspective that whatever housing that is proposed and the jurisdictional housing authority would have to be consistent with what the local planning is. But it needs to be, the planning needs to be looked at on a regional basis, out on an individual community basis, because otherwise it's put it over here and there's not in mind. And that, you know, is something that you've heard probably many times. And I've certainly heard it in Carbandale. And yet Carbandale has logical areas where development can occur. They have the circulation. They have the water in the sewer lines. That can be extended in logical areas. They have ranch land that probably is going to flip over here because of the age of some of the ranchers. But again, it's trying to get carbon-dale looking at a larger picture than just focusing on itself. And I think that's, it's all has that problem, Glenwood has that problem. I mean, it's just a natural. Well, yeah, and like Snowmass, all these communities are looking within their boundaries in going, what are we going to do? What are we going to do to how is our workforce? How do we deal with those workers coming from somewhere else? And the thing that kind of lights up in everybody's eyes is when you stop and think, the one-fourth Valley is really one community. If you think of it that way, from the standpoint of transportation, open space preservation, and housing the workforce, it's one valley. So why can't we all sit down in a room and figure out, all right, what makes sense? Where's the most logical place to put our workforce? Not each community's workforce, but the region's workforce. Where should they be? Where are they going to have a quality of life? Where can we get the most bang for the buck? Where can we put them? Where they're going to be able to truly take advantage of the mass transit opportunities that we have in this valley? And can we plan transit improvements with where we're going to put the workforce? It just makes sense to me to approach this in that manner. You know, I'm somewhat interested in participating, but the experience with Rafta and the number of jurisdictions have chosen not to participate to include Garfield County. I agree. It sets a sour taste in some of those of us who sit on that board. Same with rifle. They all want their cookies, but they don't want to pony up at the bar. So I'd really like to see what jurisdictions and letter or really do commit to participating versus that we're interested. That's where I am. And I hear Joe say, we want to build out what we need to build out here, which I think we need to focus on that versus leveraging some of our resources financially to go into another pot. So I'm just really torn. I'm really struggling with a decision here. And I don't think we need to come to a decision today. No decision today. It is just an update. Yes. I'm really struggling. Well, you know, one of the things that we have spoken about quite a bit as a group is aging in place. And how are we going to manage that equation as well. And so we have had some conversation about this needs to be more of a regional approach because snowmass is probably not the ideal place to get older as you walk up and down the hill. It's better on the flats or maybe at a lower elevation. elevation and so a regional approach to aging in place or within the valley anyway seems to be maybe a different spin to sell it to snowmassen aspen. I had the same discussion with Steve Barwick and as you probably know from reading the papers they're having a serious issue with a lot of people retiring and they're affordable. We got the same issue. And nobody wants to kick them out. Nobody should kick them out. There are important players in the community. Well, and we... If there is a project outside of the salt, or retirement, you know, that's oriented towards retirees and seniors, that would be a desirable place for retire and snowman-ass employees or assing employees to go is going to free up those units for the next generation of dishwashers and bus boys. And we continue to talk about that here and there was a small group. We did this in an evening session with Picking County. I started working with Picking County on where that might be or how that might look. And it's just been a distant, nothing's happened. Right. So, I totally agree with Bill. If we don't start easing up some of the burden of our housing stock. For our aging and place strategy, then we have failed. We can build all the houses we want, but if people don't move out, then you get a problem again. Well, I personally think that maybe not the priority, but a priority of this regional authority, if it gets formed, is to build senior housing. And that might be, when those projects come up for review, that might be something that snowmast might want to participate in on a case by case or contract basis, which is certainly doable. Well, there's different levels of senior housing. We don't need to go through that whole discussion tonight. So what we truly need here is a CCRC strategy, which is continuing care retirement community, not only just independent living, but you've got to have a whole strategy, or that strategy will fall short of moving people through the transitional care that they're going to need. Right. So I'm not gonna get on my, let me get out of the box. A little bit. We are here just to expose the idea to you tonight. And the idea of having somebody represent the Snowmass City Council as we progress through this process so that your thoughts, your concerns get on the table. And that's where we are with all the other communities. Nobody has committed that they've not taken a vote by the other elected officials. They've indicated interest, strong interest. They want to see how this would come together, what it looks like. We're in the process now. As Dave said, putting together the needs analysis for the entire valley, the participation by the individual communities in that needs analysis. You have an updated needs to sell analysis. That's something that can be excluded then from the larger picture maybe. But also brought to the table to compliment that so that the consultant can utilize what you already have and have brought up to date, to plug into the look at the rest of the area. So what we're really here for is to try and present the idea to you, but then also to request participation as this develops ego counties in the same situation. They're not sure whether the Eagle County in our valley should be part of Eagle County on the other side of the hill. So they're talking about participating but then making a decision as we go down the line whether Eagle County is to their own thing on a countywide basis whether they in fact have two different housing authorities that they're talking about. So we're in the formulation stages now and as Dave said we've been doing this for a while now and it's just getting to the stage where we can meet with the elected officials and then take the next step in which we would hope to have a staff person available to participate with the other staff members and then have an elected official who would make sure the input from that particular community got into the hopper. And not a commitment that anybody is going to participate because until you know what this thing really looks like nobody's going to sign on the dot online. And we can do that. I think we've done a decent job of staying in touch with 4 million. Sure. Keep these things going forward and keep the options going. But I'm kind of hearing this. Let's make sure we keep the options open. But we don't want our beige down in garden path and say, hey, we're going to get the parade. Now this is truly a work in progress. So I think Clint's got a stand top of it. Yeah. We can do that. And tonight, these guys said that they just wanted a chance to make sure that you guys were hearing it. Joan, I needed to make sure we understood and we were misrepresenting what we thought the position was gonna be, but kind of get that conversation off the ground and going for it. You know, participating in a program, by way of a contract, sounds more of a directional thing for us in that line. But in the same token, David, you said, you're not gonna necessarily go out and build housing. This is going to be attached to something else. So it's going to be a slow process. Could be. I mean, in other words, you're not going to go on and get 65 senior housing units ready in over 55 year old section or whatever, you know, hypothetically speaking. So it's only going to be about 15 out of another free market space that's going to have to give those 15 to get the free market. Correct? I mean, is that what we're talking about? I mean, you know, with the tree farm going on down there, that's going to explode down there. I mean, and there's a lot of people in the mid-valley who aren't necessarily crazy about how that explosion is going to happen at the moment from what I reading letters to the editor and the paper and so on. So what I'm saying is, would we have a contract on five of the 15 or PICC county would have five and and you know so that's going to be a slow process. That all could be. I mean whether you just invest in a project or whether you're a member of the authority. But again those are the questions that need to be addressed by the elected officials representing their community at this point. There is no authority for them. So what we're in the process of doing is trying to see what this elephant looks like and then try and make it sort of work for the majority of the communities and for the communities that want to be part of it with a, I would say a voting roll attend the meetings and participate and it may be that snowmass simply invests money and what the authority is doing down Valley. That may be an option, but then not at the table. And not only snowmast village and Aspen, but I've had conversations with folks at the skiing company, at the hospital district, at the school district. They're not gonna be members of this authority, but they wanna join venture. If there's a project that you know pick a number, it's got 50 units in it and we need some you know the ski company would like to have a priority for some of those units they can invest in it reducing what the taxpayers have to spend in order to create the project. I think there are more of those kinds of joint venture opportunities than I can even count, to be honest with you. So all of that is on the table. I think once you get one of these authorities formed and it has the legal authority to do what it's doing, it's got a funding source and then you leverage that funding source by joint venturing with other entities that have similar interests. Well the other thing that struck my interest was the whole notion of property tax to help fund this thing. We know that Raft is coming back in in 2018 for funding strategy, let alone what else is coming. The question would be, and this is getting into the weeds, when you look at a district-wide tax issue, Stomass wouldn't be, if it was on our ballot, and we thought it was a good idea, it is the entire authority that could carry the tax and then we in Snowmass Village, I'm speaking for the community, then we would be required to move forward with implementing that tax increase. So, I mean, there's so many issues associated with this and to think tonight we can study and know the issues, I think we've got to do our homework and have a quick comeback with this. The statute enabling these authorities to be creative was like 2005, 2006. And there's a reason. There's only one really active one. Very successful in the state is because it's not an easy issue to put together. However, the route county is looking at it now. As I mentioned, Gunnison County is getting ready to go to a vote. I don't know when they're trying to decide. The idea that everybody's recognizing without permanent source of funding. This is going to be a one-shot type thing and is certainly learned here in Snowmass. If you didn't have a permanent funding source, you'd be nowhere close to where you are now. If you were doing a one-off, like the school district did, we'll do a bond issue, get that commitment, and the idea going back to the voters every year with a bond issue is not realistic. You know, you're talking about the counties where it's or jurisdictions. You know, what I hear is one-offs, like Gunnison is doing their own. Summit did their own. ROTS going to do their own. Why not have Garfield to focus on doing theirs? First, get some success and then maybe Pitkin and that one a little portion of Eagle comes in. Eagle County is interested in coming in now because they want to see that the table and decide how it do this. Okay. It's the same thing that somebody mentioned a little earlier, the Solter, Carman D.O., the language could say, you know, we are only going to allow people in our community to buy into the units that were involved in. So it's- Someone do what Picking does now? Just like Picking County or Aspen and some ask you. Yeah. And so I mean, yeah, it's the idea of, you know, how far you want to be involved or you want to. And or maybe not at all. And again, you're in the position of having a funding source and having all the experience you've had that providing affordable housing. These other communities have been looking at it in a very small way, and none of them have a tax base that exists up here. So this is a potential way of putting those tax bases together whether it's sales tax, property tax, or some combination there of with the idea that we start looking at this valley line. I understand there's about 450 units that are going to be coming online in the next half dozen years maybe. Is that the number that you guys are hearing as well? Yeah. There's been a couple articles in the paper. I don't know if that's the right number or not, but that's one reason for the needs assessment to kind of put all that into perspective because the voters need to know, do we really need this? Do we really need to spend the money on this and what's it going to do for us? What's it going to do for the quality of life and stability of the workforce for the benefit of employers and so on, so on? But that wouldn't surprise me if that numbers out there. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Nice guys. Always a pleasure to come and see you. Thank you. Good to see you. A really information. Okay, next. Thank you. Good to see you. Really information. Okay, next. Thank you. That's right. That's right. It's tied up. It's town sustainability plan and EAB efforts moving forward. For us, I think this is going to be you leading us through the conversation. Good time, man. And thank you for providing us all these documents in the Ego County Climate Study. I have a lot of information there. Yep. I don't plan on talking about all of them. What if you have any questions or details that you would like to see added? We could certainly get that to you. We actually made it a a present for this presentation. Which I haven't done since I was in school. So let's see how this goes. What? What? You can have more comp at the end. Here we go. This just seemed the most appropriate to take a look at all the goals of the town has adopted in the past. And also where we're headed in the future. Like I said, we'll just kind of breeze through this. We'll be hopping around this timeline, but if you want to ask any questions, please feel free to do so. I don't trip over my crutches. Okay. I asked Dan earlier if this was kind of... It was purple. It made me be presenting on sustainability with the stack of papers in front of me. Oh well. Oh, recycled. Oh, recycled. So let's get started here. Starting with 2009. This is when the town adopted the sustainability plan. You've probably seen this a lot. It looks like this. RMI actually put this together for us. A lot of community input. But it actually touches on a lot of different topics. Does sound awful to anybody else? Yeah. So everything from water quality to air quality and the more commonly discussed goal of greenhouse gas reduction is contained within the sustainability plan. There's 10 topic areas in total and 21 goals under each one of those topic areas and 92 specific action items. This again was in the packet but a lot of different information here and a lot of different goals which we got off to a great start in 2010. One of the areas we quickly pursued was carbon emission reduction. That was the second document or one of the documents I guess. This kind of set the baseline for carbon emission reduction goals and in 2011. The AB was established. So again, this was in support of the Sustainability Plan. The AB, as far as I can tell, anyway, was established to oversee and to implement the Sustainability Plan. And in 2015, I know there's a significant gap there. I know there was a lot of great initiatives taking place, but in 2015 we came back to the town council, we being the AB and presented a more robust and detailed update on the sustainability and resiliency plan and that included a progress report on each of the initiatives included in the 2009 plan. That was also included in the packet. And just last November, I believe, core came to town council to present the carbon emission inventory update. So again, this is kind of specific to one goal within the sustainability plan, but it showed that we have successfully reduced our greenhouse gas emissions by 9 percent since that baseline study back in 2010 so that only measured years 2010 through 2014 but I feel it was charted up here. I'm just so you guys can see the different sectors that core inventory for us and building energy sectors leading the way with an 11% reduction in carbon emissions. So that takes us to present. I just kind of outlined a few initiatives that the town is working on presently. There's actually a lot here. Starting with the snow melt system upgrades. A lot of that project is expected to begin to be implemented this summer with the base village snowmobile system. Next on this list I have the compact Colorado communities which is a new initiative that the city of Aspen is actually kicking off later this month. I think you've heard about it a little bit through Klensmobile's. But we think this might be a good platform and network opportunity for the town to be involved with to maybe adopt new goals for carbon emissions. Affordable housing, timely topic, Joe, as you know, in the housing department. I just went through a lot of energy efficiency upgrades to the brush creek and powsteads complexes. That's very significant. Oh, sorry. And then the EAB, the EAB is focusing currently on solid waste version and recycling. So you've heard a lot about this through their updates, through reasonable bag initiatives, the recycling investors program, and they just kind of adopted a new diversion goal to increase our diversion rate to 20%. That again is just one topic within the sustainability plan however. Next on this list, our transportation department has recently intended a symposium on electrical, electric plus technology. Apparently, the technology has caught up to the requirements Snowmass Village would have for electric buses. That is in the very, very early stages for actual implementation, but still exciting. And then last but not least, I just wanted to point out the regional climate action planning. So we included an example, which was mentioned at the last town council meeting, the Garfield Climate Action Plan. Ego. Oh, sorry. Ego County. With Garfield clean energy or some other nonprofit. But Eagle County, excuse me. We included that as an example. And Core has actually recently informed us that PIN County is also looking at maybe spearheading something somewhat. That is also in the very early stages, but could be something for us to take advantage of in the future. And then 2020, so I just threw this on there because we do have a couple of 2020 goals, which used to seem very, very far away, but it's coming up quick. So the carbon emissions goal that we mentioned earlier, 20% by 2020. So the carbon emissions goal that we mentioned earlier, 20% by 2020, that is well underway. So last inventory was done in 2016. And then the second bullet point here, the solid waste diversion rate to 20% by 2020, that was just recently adopted by the AB. I might just add couple of one or two things. This came up last council meeting. I'm wondering if you can tell us what you're saying. Matt said, hey, let's, Eagle County's adopted something. So we did the research and so what they adopted. And we have a similar plan in place. We thought to be worthwhile to spend a few minutes, update you on all the different plans that we've got. The steps we're taking and then what you all might want to tackle going forward. The one issue that we've got in two weeks, 10 days, 30 abouts is that ask the initiative with the coalition, the call out of the compact. Anne's gonna be attending for us, she obviously honked shows most of these initiatives. But they're asking them elected officials also attend. If we can get one to attend, great. If we can't, and I'll be there and get all the data, they're trying to figure out exactly what that elected will be doing. We had a conference call with them last week. And their initial intention was to have, you know, one elected official sign everybody on the each community on the compact. And we made it very clear that one elected official doesn't have an authority. And turns out that's true and pretty much every community that's attending. So they're working through some of those details still. But if someone was willing to do that, that'd be fantastic. And otherwise, a lot of these initiatives we continue to plot forward with and make slow and steady progress. Several questions I'd ask Travis, and it's for any of our town staff. One, there are several things that jumped out at me when I was reading the Eagle Plan. And then I went back and looked at the Canary Initiative Plan as well. One thing Eagle did was they factored in growth into their county and its impact on terms of all of these indicators, whether it be climate change, whether it be carbon emissions, etc. If I go back and my memory never serves me real well, but all the years that we've been involved with EAB and the formation thereof and the sustainability plan, I don't think we ever factored in any consideration of growth within our community. Almost you're saying for capital. For capital. If that's here in the growth here, then we should allow a little bit of that. No, we purposely said we're trying to reduce even in places. See, I just want to know the fees as I read Eagle, I went, you know, you really want to continue to tighten the standards, but you realize what that growth impact is, which makes the goals a little harder to reach, and not that the goal should not, we should not continue to strive to meet every goal, but part of that begins to suggest deturing growth, that the population is going to increase which in Peking County is on track with EGO in terms of percentage growth. Yeah, I mean. There is some, I mean some of the things that we do measure there is the growth side of it. So when you, we had a long conversation on this 20% reduction. Well, sorry, 20% recycling by 2020, I had to say it right. And it takes off your solid waste number. So even if your growth is off, it still has a reduction of increased recycling. And it doesn't matter where your growth is based off of what you're collecting. So, I mean, there kind of is a factor. It's not taking it. It's not taking the perspective of trying to control growth. It's just basically trying to reduce, we're trying to increase recycling, no matter what your race number is. So, the carbon emissions. Yeah. That's a struggle. The other thing too about EGO, they had an entire chapter on commercial. And we tend to focus on primarily town owned assets versus commercial, correct? For that carbon emission, you can get up there and Travis can pull it up, but it did talk about buildings. It's not just town owned buildings. Okay, it's new buildings, it's all built it's the whole it's that's why it took in counter airport it took the whole impact of the re-annual hit area that chart that he threw up there's I mean it's 80% of the inventory that's that's yeah there you know that building energy use right there it's all buildings that's all buildings private and public owned buildings and it took like you know sewer plant and remember those conversations about that. So how are we going to do better on this goal? And this is the toughest one. I mean honestly, I mean when this when you read through it, that building use that energy is for buildings is from the grid. So is it, you know, we got to talk to the big kids and very likely make it them involved and see if they can help offset some of this. You know, as Travis pointed out earlier, we adopted the green building code. So that should help going forward with some of the new buildings going up. We keep taking this steps towards it. But that's a great question that I don't have a clean answer for you. Travis does his stand and now he's got the answer. I don't have the answer. I wish I did. So the technology on the buses with the electric, the new batteries that makes it possible for us to consider them now? I didn't go to the symposium, so the Fleet Department went and sorry, Fleet Department and staff went and David Peckler went. And there was two things. One, they did a test drive here first to see how they operated within the village and we were satisfied with the operational side of it. The next was the symposium last week, Rafft to host it. City of Aspen was there, we were invited. So we attended that. And it's the battery technology and there was some other part of it and I'm not a mechanic because I don't know that side of it. But there was the downfall, and the reason we're watching it is because of the fact is we're not ready to implement it. Two factors is the cost is still quite high. And secondly, one of the things they have and answered is that even though the city of Aspen can utilize it because they're more at grade, it'll take basically due to their route structure. It doesn't have the battery life or the charging life that they need. So basically they have to have two buses for one bus that used to run around. So is that really getting what we want to get? The steepness of snow melt road is gonna probably pull a lot of strain out of the battery. It did, it did, well yeah, we didn't test it on the route side of that. I, Dave was there, but. They did look at it a little bit. I mean, from what I understand what was drained out, they also were able to, because there's an alternate generating the battery, and it was able to gain some percentage back and it went down. What's going down? But what David was explaining, the shift that's happened was a battery needs to last 150 to 200 miles. That's how long a bus goes on a long route for us in a day. And so that battery is now achieving that to where we think we were getting closer. Now the cost is 40% higher, 35% higher. Yeah, per bus. Per bus. So that's hundreds of thousands of bucks which we're getting closer. Now the cost is 40% higher, 35% higher. Yeah, per bus. Per bus. So that's hundreds of thousands of bucks. We're talking about that. So I think Travis put it in here is like, these are the things we're exploring. These are not, this is not going to happen in the next budget cycle very likely, but these are things we're keeping eyes on. I mean, I know Anne's mechanics have explained again to a non-mechanic that in order to keep up with all the diesel Emissions controls and whatnot that's where they're spending a ton of their time on the buses And so if they could get away from that standard and requirement and go to electric I mean they're doing the math right now to say hey, geez if we're not doing all that work You know we might have a higher capital of cost, but we might have a much lower labor cost. And that's the kind of analysis that they're going through now to figure out if it's worth while. And what point is it worth while? And then we also pulled in, you know, a facility staff on the conversation on where would the charging stations be or what's the infrastructure look like to have that. So. How much is our electric charging place used? So I don't have it off the top I had. I can tell you an adult information that there's a car there very frequently and it's not the same car. We do pull the data and I can run a report and just give you an annual summary of it, but it is getting used. And then we also had some issues with, so the technology is changing on the time and we got a grant for that one and we talked about replacing it with a newer module and we may move forward on that in the next year because as things change, then the tech support goes away. So we've had some issues over the Christmas period when there was flaking out on us. That's why we know it's getting used because we get phone calls. Exactly. I mean, it's true. That's the antidotal stuff. So, but we do download the usage and the data. So we can come back. Did we test those electric buses at all? Or were they tested over an aspirin when we had a snowstorm? I don't think so. I don't think so. We are just starting out. We're so. I mean, I know Raptor's a little further ahead of us. Aspons, aspirin and Raptor are working together. But we're, I think the point we're just trying to make is we've got a lot of ways going forward. Your question was how are we going to hit that 20% and you know we've got some ideas but we're not sitting here making promises and we know it's a commitment that we need to continue to work towards and you know Councillor Mazzon and brought up to point. Hey, Eagle has done this great thing. Look at it and we wanted to make sure we handed it to you. We knew we had a light meeting tonight so we just wanted to take 15-20 minutes and go over it. This is what we're doing and taking those steps. I think they've done a great job on that commercial building sector. I think we might want to focus just a little bit more through our EAB. I'm paid $7.44 this study and then it goes for all the details. And the whole notion of composting, I saw that in our plan way back when, but then we decided not, I don't remember what chapter it was on all those attachment. That was using food and other issues composting here in snowmass and we put that whole strategy on hold. We have some taking place. Okay. Okay. So we do haul for some of the bigger haulers ski coast one and then there is some private going on. And then also the county takes a scratch program. So it's not completely dead. It's just that we haven't gotten through the analysis of what that would be if we were to provide that service in what would the demands on labor and vehicle collection for comping. We also have a lot of wildlife considerations that usually comes up when we talk about composting. And the other hurdle that kind of, I don't know, stop the AB from pursuing something like that, immediately, anyway, it was just the fact that we have a difficult time getting folks to recycle and recycle properly more importantly. So the idea was if we could get that and start doing that well first then we would venture into the townwide composting side of things. The county is starting, I just got to call last week, the county is going to start looking at their solid waste management plan as well. the county is going to start looking at their solid waste management plan as well. Hollers, a plan and how that's happening. They've been making a lot of changes in last year and we're watching them as well as working with them on what those implications are. So you know I give Clint updates when there's changes and we do have on that on our books to do that solid waste management plan as far as our side. So it's still on our radar. As far as recycling goes, I mean, everything is still trucked down to Denver, right? Yes, ultimately. So basically, Picking County is a transfer station. Yeah. And so is the cardboard separated? You-huh. Uh-huh. You know, I haven't asked them lately. It's still on floor. I thought a single correct answer. It actually depends on the hauler, I guess. With Picking County, it's single stream. So it is not separate. Well, on snowmess, it's single stream too, right? Right. Because we take ours to Picking County. Everything is talked together. I don't know if on their tipping floor if they separate out things or not. You mean as they showed us there? No, here. Yeah, I mean they do a pretty huge composting project out there. So I was just curious to know if they are separating the cardboard out once it gets to the landfill or if it's too composted. Too composted. I don't believe so. So you don't think so. So they have, they've had problems with the composting. You know, there's issues with the material coming in, being clean. There's misinformation on whether things like this can be, I don't know if that's it. But they're the forks that they say they're compostable and they're not and they're not breaking down so they're they've been trying to work through some of this Technology changes. They're compostable just not Exactly. They're not bringing them down as fast as they exactly. Yeah, or advertised right Travis when you say that people aren't recycling property properly, what? What does that mean? Contamination unfortunately so people like in their houses or just like when they see recycling bin either one So they don't they don't rinse them out fully They leave the caps on the recycling bottles or, or there's pizza boxes, food waste. Plastic bags is a big one. Plastic bags, yeah. I mean, it clearly says it on the dumpsters, no bags. And every time I go in there, it's just that you almost want to dump the dive and pull them out. And you can't because they're contaminated. It's terrible. I don't know why people are so lazy that way. It's, you know, take their stuff out of your bag and put your bag somewhere else. Do we have a plastic bag recycling place in SOMAs? No. They're like the recycling, the city market pegs. Is that really plastic? Like you know one of those, like, you can just like, it's like a box almost that you just like can like shove them in They have them I think they used to have it at city market algebra I don't know if they still do yeah, they do Thanks, yeah, but anyways it might be something Good to have that people could just go in and shove the bags in there. They don't weigh enough We're trying to get that 20% gold. We're trying to get the heavy stuff out of there So by weight we going to put effort in. I get it, but it's still one of those things, really. Some people are like, I have all these bags. Like, what do you do with them? But part of it, Tom's talking about it's the garbage bags. Right? Right. Right. No, no, that's contaminated, that's the weight, that becomes weight, even though it's a dumpster full of recyclable bottles or whatever else, but once it's contaminated, that adds to the weight of the landfill. It's no longer recyclable, correct? Isn't that correct? That's correct. It all goes to landfill. That point is not recyclable. All right. Is that correct? That's correct. It all goes to landfill at that point. It's not recyclable. So I mean they allow a certain percentage of contamination, but in 3 years it's been trash. But that takes place at the sorting facility. I mean it's not taking place at the landfill. I mean if our if our load is not clean, we find. If our load is not clean, we find. Which gets passed on to the users, but some people don't care. So if a truck load of snowmass recycling has got pizza boxes in it, they don't take the whole load. No. I don't think they turn us away right now, but theoretically it's going on the tipping floor and it's not a clean recycling. And then it's going. And then the costs go up. So here's the ultimate factors. Then it goes in the recycling tipping floor. They take it, they bundle it, they take it to Denver. They go through it. It takes more time to clean it out and it's contaminated. Therefore it increases the cost because they just hauled a heavy load down to Denver and then they had to spend the time to clean it off which then causes morphine to pick and conny which thing it's passed on to us. So they may not reject us per se. Occasionally they do. We have some you know loads that are rejected like they'll take it, but we were fined. And it's not only the pizza boxes, looking at some of the filthy jars, I mean, it is gross, guys. Yeah, poke your head at yes, gross. Yeah. But a lot of that determination takes place at the sorting facility. Yeah, to end result. But you know, if we all were good doobers, we as taxpayers and people who live here and are people that come and recreate here, if they would, you know, don't put stuff on the right recycle bin that is built. Right. Like leftover cash. So, Anne, would it be better if you were not a diligent recycler to just choose your regular trash and give up on recycling? Some would say that. If you're not going to recycle properly. That's what I said. If you're not a diligent recycler, that means you're complying with the cleaning units. No, I think you should take the extra effort to do it properly, but but I think I mean, I'm compliance is the underlying notion here. Well, but once one bad apple can screw up the entire batch. I don't think we're talking about one bad apple. I think we're talking about the vast majority from what I'm hearing. I don't know if it's all the time. I mean I'm looking at our dumpster and it's occasional. The point we're trying to make is that the EAB would like to focus on education or recycling and recycling properly before we make the jump into composing. Like I think a lot of people probably don't know about the pizza boxes and and I feel like if you said to someone that if you put in one contaminated thing, it could stop the whole load from going. I mean, I think that would make someone really think about it. Absolutely. Yeah, the pizza box things are posted down there. I know, but people. If you don't take your stuff to where it's posted. Right. That's true. Like we recycle at our house. Well, so one of the, so like I have a service? Sorry. Oh, we don't have a service. I have a curbside. I have a curbside. Oh, moved to horse ranch. We have a curbside. What? Oh, excuse me. It's fancy. It's fancy, I don't even know. I feel like we're like the only ones in all of snowmats. Not all the ones. There's 144 of you. I know, it just feels weird. So back to the education. We're going to leave crowd over there. Part of the education is we are doing magnets, or we're working on magnets for cleanup day. So we're trying to continue the education. Could I suggest sticker? On the trash cans? continue education. Can I suggest sticker? I can. Can you give me and the recycling bin you give me? It doesn't say metal. So a magnet doesn't do me any good. Oh, sit there going, is this going or not going? Well, we kind of think of you put it in your fridge. You put it on your fridge. But if you don't have a magnetic frit, we don't. That's true. Yeah. The EAB meets tomorrow. We'll see you about stickers. No promises. I like the idea about stickers because you could actually put that on your bin. That's a good idea. Put it on your bin and then you're going, wow. Okay, this has to go there. It's good. We're also working with the landfill. They have a ton of collateral out there and they've done their education campaign recently with trash talks. Talk in trash. Talk in trash. Talk in trash. So milk cartons can go in recycling and other milk cartons can. When is the clean up day? June 7th. Why did you do that? Why do we do that? Why do we do that? June 2nd. Because that was the day we could make it work because that would call. We lined up every day. It's like the last day of school, it's a strange day. Well, it's the last day of school for K through seven. And for country day and for community school. But it's just a little weird. It's a weird day. I'm just saying, in my opinion. Every Friday we looked at, it was a. I'm confident saying it was the least weird Okay, well, I'm sorry that I will not be able to attend I think the timing is actually good because it allows a lot of the snow from the the lots to melt Because I mean that there's so much garbage that gets pushed over the side of the hill and all that math was I mean there's when could we get the restaurant when was the snow gonna know when if you would and it was a lot of The following Fridays event season, like so we'd off to the end of season. You know, I want to go back to EGLE. I'm on page. I found this interesting in terms of their residential building sector. I'm not to suggest we want to do it here. What page should I say? It's 1944 of 44. Which one? 19. 19 of 44. Residents of building hospitals. Golds and strategies. Bullet number one, two, three, four. Five. Five. The ECO build mitigation fees to include all energy use for large homes over the average. ECO counting home by 3,700 square feet, not just offset and heating exterior surfaces and pools. The only mitigation I think we have is through the REOT program. Correct. Have we ever thought about other mitigation factors for big time homes? Well, isn't this, isn't this, I don't, isn't this the same as our REAP program? Well, they're talking about an eco-build energy use and the only thing we have is the REAP for heat and driveways. You talk about the rent fees. Yes. It's re-op here. Re-op. It's a remnant aspect. Yeah. Re-op fees. So when you're into contact, it's what you mean to say. What they're trying to do is obviously energy use is extremely important in these larger homes, but along the overuse of water and sprinkling and every home I think going up on far away is greater than 5,000 square feet and for part time homeowners. I know I just found it interesting what Ego County is, what they have adopted. So, question for your Travis, is EAB getting a copy of this particular plan? We can certainly provide it along, I don't think they've seen it yet. I mean, core is a member or a core member, is a member of EAB. So I just think it's really interesting to do a contrast between what PICAN has done through their Canary Initiative and what EGO is doing through this climate study and plan. And we all have the same goal in mind at the end of the day. And the question is, you know, we talked earlier about a regional approach on housing. Maybe there needs to be a regional approach to climate change. Look at the sustainability. I don't know. I just spoke with Sarah at Corps briefly today. I don't know. I just spoke with Sarah at Corps briefly today but they did say that Picking County is looking into spearheading a similar effort. So assuming that gets off the ground, we'll definitely keep you guys posted and hopefully you have something similar if you guys are interested in that. I'm always interested in this kind of stuff. But then we also have the compact for Colorado communities. What is the difference? What is compact Colorado communities? Can you talk about what that is versus the Canary initiatives and some of the other initiatives? I mean we don't know a ton yet. Okay. Because we've only had that one conference call kind of looked around on their website a little bit which was in the packet. I mean you check it out but basically it's going to be a network of municipalities and counties across Colorado and they're hoping that they will all adopt the same carbon emission reduction goal. So whether that's, you know, what we see in Eagle County's plans, like 25% like 25, I think. Right. 25 by 25. And then also just a networking opportunity. So being able to learn from each other's successes and failures, that's what I understand it will serve as. For now, the idea of being stronger together, as opposed to each of us going about it separately, which is kind of in the same theme as the climate action plan. So I don't know that there is a huge difference, other than one statewide and one would be specific, it'd be regionally, and it would also probably give specific action items for us to pursue. Okay, thank you. Other questions for Travis tonight? Nope. Well, I think the good news is, I mean, we're doing well. I mean, we're doing well. I mean, we're making real progress here. And hopefully that'll appear on the front of the papers as some of the other communities have. That was a surprising number there, the 9%. It's great Well, we hope that that would be a much better number, but But you know and on the other end of the day look at look at all the work that's gone on and how all the improvements happening so Let's just not knock our self off the charts with just one number There's a lot of work we can continue to work on I Think we do well given the topography of this. Well you know when you look at Eagle counties they have the land available for solar farms and stuff like that so they have they have a lot of more opportunity than we do to gain some of the percentage back like gypsum. I mean, they've got a lot of open space over there and they're putting solar farms up and when you drive to Denver you could see all these great things happening over in that end of the valleys, you know. So I was you're there our core rep. Yes. You know way back in the previous council, we looked at purchasing into the energy farm, clear or correct. In the rifle there. Yeah, there was another one too. And we heard the payback was only 7% and our several people council didn't want to go for it. Well the lease was 50 years too. So there's also with the solar panels, the electric solar panels on the roof, there's a lot happening with them right now also because Holy Cross isn't necessarily given back anymore because they're doing so well, they're losing money at it. So Holy Cross is, I don't know if they've got in place yet. In our last core meeting, they were waiting for their new CEO to come in and what direction they were going in. So, at this coming meeting, I think the 18th of May or so, whatever it is, I'll check my email and I'll get a better update. That'd be really good idea. Raff to brought in to one of the farms and our return has not been that good. And I don't know where an eagle bought in in but I don't know what their returns are. So you know they're a great idea and I know years ago as you said there was a lot of farms going on down in rifle and by a few were going to do a snowmelt driveway, you could buy into that farm and would offset your rent fee or you know that would help if you had no place to put a panel on your roof, you could buy into that farm. Right. And some people did buy into here? Some people did buy into the farm. Well, we've had applications this year that had to be extended because they can't buy into one. Right. Literally and they want to do their driveway now. And so. So I think it's also very important. You kind of hit on Tom and Markey. You kind of mixed them. But you have to be really careful when you're comparing the programs to comparing municipal programs to municipal programs, county programs to county programs and regional programs to regional? Because you said, pick and county's canary, that's the city. You know, and Tom made that point. Eagle County is a big, huge land mass compared to the size of snow mass village. And if you were to just go to look at the acreage, you can't really compare snow mass village to a lot because all the acreage in the ski mountain comes into our statistic, even though there's nothing that can happen up there. So you have to really make sure when you do those comparisons that you're comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Good point. But I'll get some more information on our next core meeting. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Any, I don't think we have updates tonight because this is a work session. Do I have motion for adjournment? I will make a motion for adjournment. Motion to adjourn the work session. Second. Second. All right. I'll sit at this table. I'll sit. Okay table. I'll sit. Okay, I'll in sport. Bye. Okay. Good job. I couldn't did the guys who wanted to put the... I know.