I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little Thank you. Good morning ladies and gentlemen, excuse me, the Democratic Commissioner's Court for Tuesday, January 10, 2017 is now in session. This morning, an invocation will be given by our sheriff, Tracy Murphy. There he is, and our invocation will be, I'm sorry, invocation will be given by our sheriff, Tracy Murphy, and our pledges to be led by Lori Fickling, Chief Administrator, precinct four, will you please stand? Yes, you hear me? You bow with me, please. For gracious Heavenly Father, Lord, we just come to you today. Thankful Father, thankful that we live in the country we live in, Lord, in the state we live in, and in the county we live in, Father. Father, I lift up to you today, Judge Horne, Commissioner Coleman, Commissioner Marchant, Commissioner Mitchell, Commissioner Eads, Lord, I just lift them up to you that they will seek your God and Father and that you will bless them as they govern. Father, today I lift up the men and women of the Denton County Sheriff's Office father and the other first responders of law enforcement that right now are out there protecting us and making sacrifices for our safety father. I lift up the men and women of the United States military father that as we speak or on foreign soul to stand up for freedom and to willing to give up their lives father for us. We are truly blessed, God, and I ask you to watch over everyone here today, Father, and bless their families and give them safe travels home. It's in your name I pray, amen. To join me in both pledges, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of Richard St. John Nation, the guy, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Honor that Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God one and individual. Well, thank you item one is your public input for items not posting on the agenda. If there's any member of the public that would like to address Commissioner's Court, we ask that you please complete a public comment form. They're available on the side table. Once you're reminded, everyone, please turn off your cell phones, phasers, and electronic device that could be disruptive. I have two public comment forms this morning and for the benefit of the guests that have not been Commissioners Court before. Public comment form is for items not posted on the agenda. Mr. President, I would like to thank you for your time. Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr. President, I would like to thank Mr Good morning. KJ Gilmore, 724, Juniper Lane, Louisville, Texas. And I wanted to thank the commissioners and the judge for this past year standing up for our local rights, especially on this first day of our lovely state legislature. Wanted to thank you guys and continue to push for local control. The Texas miracle happens here. It happens in our cities and it happens in our counties. And I'm just glad to be part of that team. So I want to thank you guys again. I know sometimes we don't get the kudos when we sit up here. We tend to deal with a little bit more than that. But you guys did good work this past year and I hope to see you continue. Thank you. The second public comment form I have is from Susan Don. Susan. Now this is a posted item 15A but it's under executive session. You can speak now. You can speak later but we won't be discussing what we discussed in the executive session out here in the public. Your choice. Which time would you like to speak? Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. What, why don't you go ahead then. Good morning, judge and commissioners. My name is Susan Vaughn. I live at 1330 Phoenix Court, Denton, Texas. I understand that you will be discussing the matter of the Denton County sidewalks around the courthouse this morning. I hope that you will be discussing the matter of the Denton County sidewalks around the courthouse this morning. I hope that you will arrive at a decision soon regarding the safety of Denton County. I want to thank you also for your continued attention to this matter. It is hope that you will soon arrive at a resolution regarding the replacement of the sidewalks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I just received another public comment form. It's from Mr. Willie Hutzpeth. Mr. Hutzpeth, good morning. I'm going to judge and commission of mine is where I had to live at 623 Newton. I'm going to get my clock started. I should have done this early. So, yeah, I'll give you a few minutes. Go ahead. Okay. All right. You know, I hear people talk about God and religion and Muhammad and the Buddhist guy. Well, different people have different things that they go to to figure it out. Figure it out. So when I say my go to to figure it all out. So when I say my God said to me, all it is is I'm thinking about it. He said to me, again, treat people like you wanna be treated. It's just over because I just have problems with that. On my way here, somebody cut me off. Then they wanna treat that person like I wanted to be treated. I wanted to let that person know they were number one. I wanted those fingers. I wanted them to know they're something. And so I just struggle with it all the time. I'm sure you do too. So I want to address you the way God told me to address you. Good morning, my brothers and sister-in of the commissioners' court. And he said, be sincere about that. Well, I'm working on that. Now I'm just politically doing it, doing it, anyway. When I grew up in Fort Worth, North Side, by Mitchemfield, it was all African-American. There were no Hispanics, no whites, all blacks, segregated. I went to a segregated school. Nobody but African Americans in it. I went to an integrated war, Vietnam, Germany, Christmas, I don't even want to go through that again. War is no joke. But anyway, I'm saying that to say where it brings me today. My brother and sister, I'm saying to you, when I walk into this chamber, it would help me to remember that we're all in this together, that we love each other, what we're working on it. We're trying to, you're trying to rule respectfully and you're trying to give out the information that you think is fair for everyone. A year butt comes in every time I say that. Yeah, but what about the rest of the year is not doing. Yeah, but in God's say, get rid of the year but just say it. So I'm saying to you, I would like to have something on this square. It's not attributed to Martin Luther King, exact Romans, that says to me, just keep treating people like you want to be treated. Just keep doing that. No matter what, get rid of the year butts. We all in this together, but I would like something out there to remind me, Dr. King's statue, peace, do it with love, treat everybody right and do it within the rule of law. So thank you for your trip. Thank you. Members, I'd like to first go to item 3a on the agenda. 3a is approval of a Proclamation, honoring leadership flower mound. And I've asked Commissioner Bobby Mitchell to review the Proclamation. Good morning. Can you all stand so we could see leadership who's Flouramound class? Thank you. Glad you're here. This is a Proclamation, honoring leadership Flouramound. Whereas leadership Flouramound is a nine- honoring leadership flower man. Whereas leadership flower man is a nine month leadership training program offered through the flower man chamber of commerce. And whereas leadership flower man was started in 1996 to offer local citizens and business members an opportunity to learn more about their community. And whereas Leadership Flower Man has graduated more than 500 people over the past 20 years. And whereas Leadership Flower Man offers an in-depth, behind-the-scenes look at local, county, and state government. And whereas in addition to government, the leadership flower man program also offers program in own history, education and community service. And whereas the leadership flower man program is an important source of essential information for current and future leaders and offers its participants an opportunity to share the learning experience with other local business leaders. And whereas leadership flower man participants have a genuine commitment to the community and a desire to make a difference. And whereas the leadership flower man program acknowledges that DIN County plays an important role in shaping the quality of life offered to its citizens. And whereas the flower man chamber is proud to its citizens. And whereas the Flarell-Man Chamber is proud to be in a community that cares enough about its future to invest time in training its leaders and whereas many graduates of the Leadership Flarell-Man program pursue a role in serving the public while others prefer to use their knowledge simply to enrich their own lives and lead by example. Now therefore the Ben County Commission is caught here by our participants and past graduates of the Leadership Flarement Program and does hereby proclaim January 10th, 2017 as Leadership Flarement Day in Ben County. Proclaim this the 10th day of January 2017 by motion made by myself. Motion by Commissioner Mitchell, seconded by Commissioner Eads. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, say aye. Motion does three unanimously. Congratulations. Applause. Applause. Glad to have you here at Pardon me. I just like to thank a couple of people who helped make today a reality. I like to thank Donna Kerns and Laurie Fickleen and Cindy Howard. They've been working for quite a while to have a great curriculum free on today to educate you all about county government. And I want to thank all the officials and department heads in advance for for participating another going to the jail here shortly and appreciate to share it and all his but they'll get out but they will yeah sure true yes get out of jail for the park so I want to thank everybody for helping a number one for your participating for everyone to help me today possible we We're excited to have you all here. And to add to that, I also want to thank you for participating in Leadership Blueisville, excuse me, Flarell Maillan. I participated in Leadership Blueisville back way back in the 1980s. And so it propels people to get out in the public and run for office or run and make your business better. Just be a leader in the community and I would encourage all of you today to step forward and do something to help someone else. You get a lot of training in leadership flower mail and so you take that training and put it to good use and perhaps one of these days, and when I'm an old lady and wobble up here at the Den County, some of you'll be sitting in these seats and making decisions that make our county city and state a better place. Thank you. That's all true. But you know, added to that is the fact that there's an awful lot that goes on in county government that we have a hard time getting the word out about. And so that's really I think a goal of a lot of the department heads and elected officials that are be speaking to today is to educate, let you know what all that we do. We're glad that you're here. Okay. Members, item 2 is a consent agenda. Do we have items on the consent agenda? We need to pull. I need to pull 2A because there are no order makers today. We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Eads. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opp please say aye. Aye, pose, any? Motion carries. Consent agenda today consists of 2B, which is approval of the intro to the Department of Transfers and 2C, which is approval of payroll. 4A is a public hearing to consider installation of stop signs at 12 ways or drive to make the intersection of 12 ways or drive and cry not oh drive, a fourway stop located within the boundaries of them County municipal utility district number five crossroads ranch in Denver County. This is Commissioner Pritzinc-Won. I moved open the public hearing Thank you. We have a motion to open the public hearing by Commissioner Coleman seconded by Commissioner Eid's all in favor Please say aye I pose a name Motion carries. Do we have anyone in attendance who would like to address this issue, this issue either in favor of or opposed to the proposed installation of stop signs on trailblazer drive and make the intersection of four ways stop anyone in attendance who would like to address commissioners court on this issue. The only thing I got to say is that we did that agreement to provide traffic regulations. There was some disagreement I think that they didn't quite understand that they needed to get the stuff approved by the county. They just couldn't, you know, laterally do it. I think we're finally on the same page, so I think it's a good thing. Well, hearing nobody that wishes to speak on the issue, let's have a motion to close the public hearing motion by Commissioner Coleman second and by Commissioner Mitchell all in favor please say aye aye Posting motion is carrying now. We need a motion for approval. I move to approve Motion by Commissioner common second and by Commissioner Eads hearing no discussion all in favor please say aye Here in no discussion. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, aye. Motion to carry. Three, five, aye. Is approval of the bill report. Payments from CSCD. Community correction, TAI, P. Shares, training shares, forfeiture, VIT, interest, and VHEC. Forfeiture funds are presented for reporting purposes. Only good morning, James Wells. One, the commissioner has heard the bill. James Wells. I moved for a proof. Motion by Commissioner Coleman. Seconded by Commissioner Marchant. Hearing the questions on favor, please say aye. I pose in e. Motion does carry. Let's go to 8A, which is approval of the Requestification of Slant Zerser 1 ED. This is Economic Development Coordinator, pay grade 12 to Economic Development Manager play grade 15. I move for approval. Second. It was motion by Commissioner Coleman, seconded by Commissioner Marchant. Questions, comments. I appreciate the work that was done on the job description. There are some things in there that I like about promoting the county, working on things like that. But I still hold the position that I believe the commissioner should be responsible for economic development within your precinct to you and your administrative staff. So I will be voting no on this issue simply for that reason. We have a motion for approval in a second or further questions or comments. Hearing none, all in favor, please say aye. Opposed, aye. Naye, motion carries, four in favor, one opposed. Okay. 10A is approval of the schematic design report dated January 2017 for the Denton County Administrative Complex phase three is prepared by HDR. Authorize HDR to move forward with the design development phase of the design process except acceptance of schematic design report is presented to the string committee and user staff and Denton County's construction project manager. Good morning. We've been looking forward to this for a long time, haven't we? That's how we, and we thoroughly enjoyed the process. For those of you who don't know me, I'm Paul Shauston, and I'm with HDR, I'm the project manager for it. I'd like to introduce some other people. Presenting with me today is going to be Eureko Francisco. He is a the director of design for our company and the Dallas office in the region. Also, you all know Haldon Altali, he's been working with Dent County for 15 years. How are you doing? Who's incredibly instrumental in getting to where we are today. She is the interior design member of the team. Craig Jones is a project architect. He'll be helping me develop the documents as we go forward and finalize in your building profile. And John Crestbo is the site designer. He'll be working with us on the landscaping and overall site for the project. Hey before you get going our video is not coming up here. Bobby can you help us with that or Kate? Not coming up. What's on the screen up here is not coming up on our desk. That's a body question. And a log input cannot display this video mode. Well, I'll end the end of the video. In the end or a moment, I'll just say a couple of things. First off, it's been an incredible pleasure working with the staff of the state. Last time when we went through the program phase, the staff has been very cooperative. We've had a very interactive process with it, working with commissioners and judge horn actually joining us in one of the design sessions. It's been an incredible process. My son reminds me that I say that we're incredible too much, but I try to I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and I'm going to be doing this and getting this building completed for you. I'll briefly discuss schedule while we're waiting to. Since it's not going to be actually presented, we're a little bit behind schedule as a result of some of the effort, but we're going to catch it up. Okay. All right. We've got it now. Okay. So get started with the actual presentation. This is this schematic design phase that you can see from the rendering on the right over here. We have gone through the process of many, many, many evolutions of building types and building elements to come to the final solution we're at right now in his own phase. We submitted to the steering committee about two months ago this presentation and it has been some questions and we'll discuss why it's at the stage today. If you look at the site, as you can see right here, is surrounded by commercial property and or a lot of future development areas. The gray areas represent the future development. The site is a part of what we would like to refer to as the County campus. And it's all in yellow. The actual site for this building is white. Okay, here you go. Thank you, Paul. So, as Paul shared with you, the site is the white spot on the previous diagram that you saw on the screen. The goal when placing a new building on this site was to make by adding one building, the intent was to make the whole bigger, better. We know that we are creating a campus that we, and this new building, we will add to the health services building, to the elections building, and hopefully all of them together, the new administrative place building, we all of them together, we create a new civic core for the county. So what you see on the screen is one of the diagrams, the one that was actually selected, to be developed further on the right-hand side, several of the options that were investigated during the process. This is the final diagram. This is the final scheme that shows the footprint of the administrative complex on the lower left-hand side in white. But as you see, the project is more than about just a building, it becomes about creating a place, and the opportunity is there. There is a lot of land available. So the intent is let us design a building, sure, but in addition to that, let us look at the landscape. So placement of trees, the lawn, may be even a stage for informal presentations that will help to connect all of the counter buildings together in one single campus. So that's the intent of the site plan. Well, also relative to the site plan, one of the intent is every community tries to make the complex, which is a community complex, make the complex, which is a community complex, into a community activity area. And one of the things in the concept of the approach, as you notice, is the big yard behind the facility. The concept is that's going to be a multi-area, multi-use yard for community, for the public to share with this complex, because this is the community complex. It's not just for staff in having it. So that's part of the plan. And working with staff, it evolved that there was a logic on the placement by floor each of the groups. And what we try to do is concentrate the higher activity events where people would be coming into the building and have more flow on the lower floor. As you see on a plan to the lower left would be human resources. Then on the right side would be the justice of the piece. Next to it would be the clerk of the justice of peace. And next to it would be the county County Council for precinct one. On the north side of the plan, that we call it plan north, on the upper right, the orangeish color is the treasurer's office. As you go up in the building, on the second floor, we'll have, on the bottom left is purchasing, the bottom right is the auditor's office. And the upper part on the upper, the greenish gray color is the budget office. Now we reserved the upper floor for the courts. And for a couple of reasons, and it's hard to explain, I wish I guess I had a pointer, I could do a little pointing, but on the plan, if you look dead center, that's where the new court is gonna be. It's gonna be much like this court and that it is a two level court with a mezzanine above it looking down into the courts. Looking due south will be the actual judges and commissioners table. If you look immediately to the left, I mean to the right, excuse me the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the the other side of the There's a long spline and I'm going to go back in a minute and discuss something else. There's a long spline to go through there. There's a communication through the building where we're trying to bring more activities to the outside and communicate with that overall community yard. To the left of the commissioners court is something that was added as a part of the process from the original program. It is a community room. It is a, in studying the population of Den County, y'all have right now in the elections building, a room that's being used for multipurpose. And quite frankly, when you look at the schedule, it's overburdened. So it was decided in the process, we had planned a eating community room area for awards and ceremonies. We decided to actually grow that space a good bit. So it would become more interactive and something that you can use publicly for events, for training, for any kind of conventionary type things that would occur. In addition there is a staff dining area where everybody can go in. It's also a user that we could turn into a place for serving food if you do have some major event in the facility. And the other side, the gray side of the mechanical plant. I want to go back, if you don't mind, and show you something that's very important to the overall aspect of the site. If you notice this, Beige's area is vertical and horizontal, one of the important things on all projects is interaction of the building with the overall site function. One of the other things is when our conversations with the judge and commissionaries and everybody else in the county, it's important that this building become a hallmarked building for the county and that we emphasize the opportunities for displays and historic presentations and different things and we see the ground floor, the gallery to speak of that when people enter the building that you can have moving displays and present things historic events or events for the community. Okay, going back on. And as I said earlier, above this floor, that little bitty blue area is going to be an actual atrium looking over to the end to the judges' court. All right. One of the in-contexts, as we talked about, and Rico's going to expand upon this, we took on a historic approach. It was asked to us to approach the building historically, but also give it a more evolving flair. That's right. Always correct. A building of this type, well, as we know, it's a civic building. And whenever we say civic building, what does it come to mind? Historical presidents, of course. So what you see on the screen are some of the, just a few of the historical precedents that we looked at, and Andy is looking at me. Yes, we looked into historical precedents going back centuries. What you see on the screen is not only a node high school here in Denton County that served as a historical president, but also other courthouse in the state of Texas going back to a villa in the United Kingdom two three hundred years ago And all the way to the left contemporary courthouse. So you see there is a spectrum of historical precedents that were used that were the base for what we are presenting to you today. What do these precedents have in common? Well, if you look at this scale, the proportion, they vary between three and four stories to how they are symmetrical, they are solid, they are built out of maiznory, there is no wood, here there is no metal that communicates solidity, permanence. And finally, if you look again, they are all kept by a sort of dome or something of that nature. So, those are all elements that are common to the historical precedence. Here is our building. This is what you will see when you approach from Loop 288 and Karina Street, right on that corner, the southwest corner of the campus of the site. What you see in the foreground is the west wing that corresponds to the plans that Paul just showed you a few minutes ago, a few moments ago. This is the dead center shot looking towards the main entrance. You see pediments, columns, the coupler, the dome, right on top of the courtroom proper. And to the left, the west wing, to the right, the east wing. The proportions are similar to the historical precedence. It's a building that is rooted on historical tradition, as you can see. Going around, this is the southeast corner now. You see the one, two, and three, base, middle, and top, classical ordering of the building. Here's a shot of the north side. You see, if the south side is all about formality and pomp and circumstance, let's put it that way, the backside becomes a bit more informal. We have the grand lawn, we have space for, again, family activities and who knows, the concert says that as we pointed out in the site plan and this is the face of the building that looks onto that north side. Finally, bird's eye view. This is what the building looks like in context, with never-lulled site of the context. So to the north, on the upper left corner, we see the health services building to the right, almost off of the image, the elections building and right there on the center, the new building that we are presenting today for you. Okay. Now the fun part. Obviously we went up a little bit over our projected scale for the building. Originally we planned on in the program phase and I'm sorry if y'all can't see this and I can't see it but I remember most of it so I'll be as close as I can. We originally planned in program phase 83,700 square feet for the area of the building. After going through the evolution and adding that additional space and expanding the central core a little bit to give you more gallery and display area, the building went up to 89,000, approximately 300 square feet. Thank you. I can see it. 225 square feet. As a result, as you can see, the actual building costs, for the building construction itself, when this is taken from a professional estimator and cross-checked to our office as well went from 26 million 970 thousand dollars to 30 million 148 thousand. Working with county one of the things that we realized that originally as in the past the budget that was allocated for FF&E for furniture fiction equipment has always been a little bit high. So as recommended, we went through a study and actually pulled all the types of furniture, got current prices for them, and actually got the value of what it would be at time of bit. In other words, we have inflation adjustments, and they were very well corrected. You should be budgeting $1.6 million. So that helps you in your budget overall, it reduces a million dollars and hopefully we can put back into the building. In addition, when we can see the site, when we can see the building, we can see the building and the things that serve the building around the property as part of the over-physical project. For this one, for example, if you look at the site plan over here on the board, you'll see the building footprint and all the parking was included in the base plan of the building. And that's what we will construct in the budget that we show you. But the thing that we're calling the grand yard, the thing for the community, the thing for concerts and events and affairs and art shows and different things which will stimulate bringing the community to the site. That is an additional. We're projecting a cost of about a million six for that and and includes our elevated stage at rounded section in the back. Thank you. If you look at this rounded section is elevated on the backside with community restrooms, because God knows we don't want everybody flowing into the building at 1.6 on top of a 38 million or included in it. It's included in the total. If you look at the 38 million at the bottom, that's a total for everything. And I was gonna explain that in the recap. But anyway, this is a grand yard and that's more for community events where actually kids can go play. We have a water feature that goes all the way through here and a grand tree at the bottom looking into that lake. Because it's very important if you notice this ties into the connection to the bridge, the historic bridge across there. We're trying to unify the site and make this a community-based area that everybody can enjoy, not only that people who work here, but the community can come enjoy it. So you can have events, but also in this area, we're seeing and setting up or planning tent type structure, pre-manufactured, like set in the grade, so that all your tents will look the same, things like that, for events like art shows or any kind of presentation you want to do outside. Additionally, one thing we didn't talk about, we talked about the plan, is when you have a major event, say you're entertaining some kind of cooperative endeavor or some kind of growth potential for the community, there is a upper area that's going to be on above the second floor of this building, a very small plaza area which flows out of that big community room that we're talking about so that it can be an interactive inside, outside type of event. So, anyway, that's part of the process. To go in deeper as Commissioner Coleman had mentioned, we've added in all the additional services which are typically added into the project which include orange contingency fees, city impact fee, test and balance. Those are things that are required to get what we call a project budget and moving expenses for a change or total cost of $38 million, $585,000 versus the original budget which was $34 million, $79,000. So what we call the dealt to the difference between what we originally contracted and what we're saying should be for this project is, 4 million, $560,000. So that in a nutshell is what we're seeing as a budget for this building. Any questions? Yes sir. A couple of questions on the design. Tell me what the all year air conditioning units in that space below the roof line. What is the space below the roof line? What is the space below the roof line? Yes, okay, if I can go back to the plan. Yeah, I'll show you. All of them, we have, we spent a lot of time on mechanical systems and we actually met with your engineering staff and coordinated how we would, they would like to see the building, mechanical systems based on the overall. If you notice that gray section is too big, mechanical units, the mechanical systems based on the overall. If you notice that gray section is two big mechanical units, they're packaged mechanical units on outside walls and they're set up for two reasons there. One, we have to do what they call make up air and condomizers on these units and they're huge now because of the condomizers. You're going to have two major units and they're going to supply all there for the building. So they're going up on the third floor and that's a good effect. I thought that's what it would be. Yes. Yeah. And we've also like we studied like we spent a lot of time in our firm. We have a term called QAQC where we have a process of formal bedding. We not only did we do that on these, but we also did what I call peer review. We've got other mechanical engineers to come in and look at the process and make sure that we're doing it right and that it's going to work. And we also met with your staff, your facility staff and brought them through the process. We have, and everything was communicated. We talked to IT, all these people. So everything has been communicated all the way for the floor. Let me ask you something about the, and I love the concept of the open space. And I love the concept of the utilization of the open space. You're familiar with Clive War and Port Park, City of Dallas. Okay. That is a city project, is that correct? My understanding is that it is a city project, but it's maintained by a fund set by the war and family. The war and family. Okay. That's my understanding. I... Any discussion go into the ability for food trucks to pull off. Oh, yes, excellent. Excellent question. One of the things the commissioner, he's greatly involved. And I hope you don't mind me saying this publicly, because greatly involved came there office several times. We had many arrests within being involved with. And a lot of the discussion of how we get to the 1.6 million. 1.6 million when you look at a park like that is not a lot of money. Because a lot of what you talk about where, where when you probably get the name of the city, Addison, when Addison developed this park for example, it was like 9 million. One of the things the commissioner he just thought, and I think it's a great community building thing, but my working with the county and I hear city county, city county. But a great thing to bring people together is, for example, we're seeing full size trees planted out here and those being one tree, they're 27 or 28 trees on this site, except this one I call this the Mary Horn tree, is that each city will contribute a tree. So they have ownership in the property. Did they see this as a county's property? The 40, there's a plan to have 40. It will be the city that they could ceremonially plant. One other thing that we talked about is, is over here, which you don't see on the plan, we have a restroom back at the stage and below the stage. I mean, it's in a good area because in a section. But we're looking at a concessionary area. And that concessionary area is going to be tied to two different things. If you look at this sweep right here, we're looking to put in utilities in that sweep. And this area being a concessionary, because we're hoping to get the city to contribute to the project and provide the concessionary, but as part of this process, we'll add the utilities so that food trucks and different things in an event, say you have a fair, say you have a concert here, and the stage is set up, you'll have a concessionary down on this area for people to do vending, foods, food sales, and all that. Additionally, this area, as I said, those are all trees. If you can't see it because of the contrast in the room, but these gray trees are in and these trees are in the base project. These trees here are what we call community trees, ones of the cities we give. And for your benefit, yes, that was really thought about. And with Commissioner E. Giselle, I think that was a definite guidance that we went to for the budget. Well, I mean, if I were a food truck owner, and I had access to about 800 employees at one site on a daily basis, my food truck would be right there. Pretty good, that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to make it so not only for them, but for the whole community to be able to enjoy. Absolutely. And with this water park feature, we think it'd be great for kids. We have one where we just move to park Lane and Dallas, and they have water features. It's incredible when we go to lunch the site. Commissioner, the food trucks could be on the eastern side of the project on the curve and also as the pavement goes east west between the building and the lawn, there's capacity there and that would be built to support that. Where would you, if you had the opportunity to do a monument or monuments? Where would they be on that property? Thanks and question. One of the things that's really interesting, if you notice that this entry drive is offset, there's a formal yard right here that we're going to try to create. And it's not real evident on the plan, but if you notice that this is all grassy right in here. On this on the front. This road is all set because the paralleling road, the city wants us to parallel the road that's going in the backside of all these which is also going to be tied into your future building that you're adding down there. But anyway it lines up but we've really created a nice area. This will be a good place for a monument in these two areas. But in addition, any of this yard, or this area, like I said, the Maryhorn Tree, I'm Judge Horn. I think this is something you need to contribute anyway. Now, this is the Maryhorn Tree, biggest and vast tree there is. But we see monuments in this area. There are several locations for monuments on the site. That's a's the question I have to ask. I have some questions. So, John, do you know what the bound, how much we had allotted for this in our bond package? There was a project. Mr. Welch, you have no idea what that is? It was $34 million dollars. That is the reason why. Right. So where would we, where would we come up with the additional funds? That's generally is my problem is it's over budget. I like the building. I think you know we need this type of facility. I'm not real enthused about the amenities that we're going to put on there. I haven't been a county employee and I watch Judge Horne kind of rant about this and seeing some of it go on but you know there's been a trend with our county commissioners court to only do our core functions. And I remember that that was one of the reasons we cut library funds was that it was not part of our core function. And I just don't know if doing a community lawnscape with an amphitheater and food trucks and a recreational center for I mean a place to sell coats where they call that the vending area. I just don't know if that fits with our county core functions, particularly when we're over the budget. I know we've got the historical part, and that's not really a core function, but that's something that's valuable for the city of Dinton. We have tremendous amount of fairs and stuff here on the square. Is it the theory that I know the plan is for the Historical Commission and the museum to take over this courthouse? Is it that we're going to transfer, you know, transfer all the fares and all the events that happen here over to Loop 288? If I can tell you, is the city of resident of the city of Denon? That's not going to translate well. I mean if we're thinking we're going to take Christmas, that sort of stuff or any of those festivals we have on the square, it's not gonna kind of over on Mayhale and Morris. I just don't see many of the residents wanting to go over to that area. It's fairly heavy industrial in that area and even though we're having a complex. I can hear you. This is a discussion we're having on. So I mean, go ahead, round. I'd like to interject. That if the speaking that if that feature is not there, that's open space. Open space is a space that would have to be maintained as well. You either maintain it by mowing grass every week, having a field there, or it's a maintenance issue anyway. And so I'm assuming that's dangerous to say that, but I'm assuming that a lot that has to do with the money that extra million dollars or so has to do with the landscaping, the prep of that land to be able to have the contour of so people won't be rolling down heels for it. And then the water feature. Is that correct? Correct. Bill sir. What would you say the water feature was I don't want to start pulling things out of it. But let me let me that's a recirculating water system isn't that correct? Correct. Okay. Is that freshwater is it from the pond that currently is this company freshwater? Can we freshwater? But anyway, that's what I see in such the two of maintaining open space. That's nothing there. For instance, I have a nine acre site For instance, I have a nine acre site down in Carrollton, the Carrollton government center, and we just added on and took over a little less than an acre. Well, we have turned the rest of the site into only the second county to do it in the state of Texas and to a fruit growth. And it's a community fruit growth. In fact, we're planting trees this weekend because the weather's gonna be nice. Of having peach trees, apple trees, everything to utilize about four acres that aren't being utilized right now. And so, rather than mowing it, we're gonna be picking it. And I personally live in Capell. And they have a community garden right next to there, and that right next to their governmental center. And it's been a huge success bringing people downtown. And they also have period events like New Year's Nighthead Firework Show and everything, the parade start there. This can become and answer the question earlier. I mean if you look at the site plan that we had up earlier, the gray area, the huge gray area right across 288, nobody knows what that's come to develop into. It could be multi-level development with residential and commercial. Anyway the bottom line is you've got one of the, you have the fastest growing community in the state of Texas. If you look at the demographics, based upon your popular size, there's nothing to say. The county or the city at the county. The county. But there's nothing to say with your universities that you have here and the things and the amenities you have within the city and be in the county seat. That can't grow multi-level. I don't know, it would be guessing to understand what's going to actually go there, but I got a feeling it's going to be residential with multi-level because it's all that commercial strip and the way things are moving. Most people today are moving to more of that multi-level where they have residential commercial mix. That area is transforming. There's a lot of retail there, and then if you go back to Mayhill, there's a lot of heavy industrial, which is on the backside of that, and haven't been a resident of the city of Denton for 18, 19 years. I can tell you that it's not the most, you know, you don't generally go hang out in that neighborhood. I don't see people wanting to go hang out in that neighborhood. And frankly, I mean, so is this part of our plan to kind of move the community market over there too? I think that could be an option. And then fence over fence off the historical and then kind of limit access to the historical part. I don't know. I don't think that was the intent of this at all. I think in relation to the conversation about the cost, obviously, we spent considerable time keeping the budget in mind. And we came to the conclusion that it's cheaper in today's dollars to build the public infrastructure that we would all agree that we would look up in a very near future and realize that we needed to fully develop the site. So I think it's cheaper today and today's dollars to build it and it's cheaper to build it with this project and instead of having it be a separate project. So I think the cost implications have been thoroughly considered, thoroughly vetted and that's why we're bringing it to you today because we believe this is the cheapest option to do that. As Commissioner Marchum said, the site has to be maintained. If it's got to be maintained, it could be a lawn that is utilized by the public or it could be a field which is maintained in mode and not a true amenity to the site. I believe we are handling our core functions with the county. And I'll tell you this today's a historic day for the county because we're really selecting a new landmark for new generations. Not only this current generation, but the generations to come. And I think if you looked at the population of Ditton County in 1895 and 1896 on this courthouse was constructed. I think the decisions we're making today are in keeping with our predecessors and that they wanted to build civic buildings, public landmarks for future generations. And I think that this building in the site will be vibrant as this courthouse is today. I think this and 100 years from now, this new courthouse will be vibrant and a fixture. I think we would be doing the public a disservice if we built we spent to add additional civic space in the building. Part of the cost of this is the square footage of the building. And so we realize there's not enough public meeting space in the county facilities and here and in the county. So we tried to address that and that was a real issue. I wanted to convey to the committee as we spent days together this summer. And so we are adding civic space, public meeting space, inside and outside. And I think if you look at the calendar of events that AgriLife has, that they do, I think that we could host a variety of their activities here of all ages that AgriLife reaches out to and that's across the county. And some of it's important to take into consideration is that we spent a considerable time analyzing the site and it's a great improvement in my opinion in that of the team over what was initially a placeholder for a bond election, as we had to put a building in there and do a rough estimate on the cost that was nine years ago, what that cost was. The economy was much worse time frames, forced construction costs and so forth. Look at the economy today. So I think the cost is taking into consideration that new revived economy that we're experiencing. I think this building is welcoming to the public. It's friendly, but it also has a sense of formality about the building. And land banking was a significant, And land banking was significant, was played considerable consideration, was spent on land banking. So for future buildings, if we need to, we can add additional buildings to this site. It may not be in our lifetime, but our successors, I think, will appreciate the fact that we were thoughtful and saved and preserved land. I don't think the original site plan that we had, that was done years ago, I don't think it really took consideration for land banking. As far as relocating events downtown, I don't think that's the intent of this site plan at all. I think we want to keep it in vibrant. I was mentioning earlier this morning to one of our guests that we want to keep downtown didn't vibrant. We do not want to relocate to the loop complex like other cities and other counties have across the country. And they have, many times when your city leaders are not going to a downtown urban area, urban black can follow. And so we want to make sure the downtown remains vibrant. And so I think if I have an additional space here, we are allowing for new space. And I think this site, what we're deciding today, is not about just a home for county employees to work 40 hours a week. It's about us being able to have that site used throughout the week and the weekend. I appreciate that. Let me ask, of course, Mr. Eads. Could this site be used for events all over the county and would we be able to recoup some fees for their usage? I think there's an opportunity for we could recoup some costs and I think that's an opportunity we could work with our staff and so forth to You know, we have built in policy now that people use our buildings and and we've recouped fees not a whole lot Right, but we and people do use our buildings. Our buildings now and they do use our spaces now. And so I think this is continuing our existing practice that we. We'll go up with some of the main this fees. Correct. That's right. Family reunions? Sure. There was the many discussions that I've had with these good folks and commissioners on this subject. I don't believe anybody intends to move anything of the downtown Denton area. I certainly as much as anybody enjoy holiday lighting down here and all the other events. But as you know, and Aspen has been discussed, the county and the city is growing and there seems to be more and more events every year. And I think there's a needs first space. And so I think it will be used a lot. I think it'll be appreciated. It should be pointed out that where the stage area is, just the way that terrain is, that area already is a little bit higher so that it's almost a natural for a stage to be on that end and the viewing area to be towards the building. So just It's self nicely to if I fit in there. Part of that the location for that stage area is We have an annual countywide fire fighters memorial event there that's every fall and Firefighters Memorial event there that's every fall and They need you know that is just one of many events that could be housed there And it's a very solemn ceremony for about the different firefighters that are lost in the line of duty and You know we're out there. That's a two every time we're out there That's a temporary microphone is set up in the winds blowing you can't hear and so forth and so that's part of that's just one of many things that could be events that could be could be there we're about to pull the police and some memorial together. It's it's coming. It's very close to the design phase with folks doing the memorial right now. It. Mike Cunningham is his name. And so that'll be placed on the place that has been preserved for the place was memorial. So I foresee future events for the, there's ceremonies being handled over there too. And that is a county wide event. So I think it's a good use of space now. As far as costs. I share your concern, Commissioner Coleman. It is over budget, but I think we can do some more tweaking on the whole thing. We've been, that's been a constant process throughout here, found ways to economize. I think there's some of this, I mean, this is a huge project. It's not going to be completed in just, you know, a few months. It's going to take some time. So it can be spread over the completion of it, the completion of the lawn for whatever you want to call it. That area can be bumped into a future budget here. We don't have to do that all the same time. But for planning purposes, it needs to be in consideration. Did you have something else, Commissioner Mitchell? Yes, this is our first look at this. I'd like to also add some comments. And I was making comments and I went on to speak. And Commissioner McComley, you're exactly right. But mission to come with you exactly right, you know, we do have to look at the budget. And I'd like to try to judge when you say it could be kicked into the future, not everything be done at once. And I'd like for us to, you know, do some more tweaking on this to make sure that the $4 million that we're full and half million dollars that we're talking about, does not have to all come at one time, but some of the things that we're planning can be planned in the future rather than everything coming right now. So Commissioner Coleman, we have to look at everything. We've got to look at the future budget as far as future projects. So. I want to stipulate, I like the way the building is designed to think it is a good function. And Andy, I mean, Commissioner Eats, regardless of whether there's a park, that building is for everybody. It's just not for county employees. I mean, it's designed to serve the public in a good management manner to have the constable in the high traffic areas on the bottom floor. So I really think that it is designed for everybody, just not county employees. So that's kind of a, I mean, it's kind of a rub I think that I would disagree with. My main concern is that this is really a municipal function. If there was somebody like Clyde Warren, they can get the Huff Hines or somebody who write big checks. They write a lot of checks and elections I hear. To come in and give the money to have a Huppines Park much like climate war and I'd be all on over this I'd be all over it but this is not a county function this is a municipal function parks stuff like that that is their core value that is their core stuff we need to be concerned with transportation infrastructure we need to be concerned with taking care of our courts we need to be concerned with taking care of our courts, we need to be concerned with law enforcement, with our jails, mental health and all that. We are going to have problems coming up that I've discussed with you that we really need to take any and all available monies to apply that to those problems that our core functions. We desperately need a couple of new district courts. We are overpacked with CPS cases. I think they're doing an analysis right now. I'm not sure if it's going to be needed or not, but we need a mental health court. Those are court-counting functions. We're going to have to remodel the courthouse that we currently have on McKinney. And I'm not particularly sure where we're going to get those funds. And so while I would like a park and I think it's a good idea, I live in the city of Denton, I actually live very close to where this is going to be, it would be good for me as a resident. I'm not going to be a county commissioner forever. And I would like to enjoy that. I just think we're stepping out of our core functions entering more of a municipal task that the city of Denton should step up and create a park if they want one there. Now I'm all for the idea of land banking. I think that's a great idea. I was on board when we bought all this additional property because they're things we're going to need to do. You and I discussed the need for a jury room. Our consultant talked about the most valuable space to county homes is the courthouse on McKinney and we need to get rid of that jury room. Over there that's taken up space so we can put a courtroom in and then move the jury called to somewhere else. That's something I would love to have put in this building. That way we can assign juries out of here and I think we need this building. It's been on the plan. I'm on board with it. We've done an estimate from budget that the new probate court would cost $3.1 million. Each of the new district courts are going to be $0.9 million. We don't have an estimate on what the construction would be to remodel the courthouse. And that's stuff that's directly within our core function. So if y'all don't mind what I would like to do is I like the recommendation on the building and I think it would be appropriate if y'all don't mind that I would make a motion to approve the building except for the park and then if y'all want to have a separate motion on the park that would allow me to vote on that as well. Is that all right with you? So I would still move. We have a motion on the floor. Is there a second to the motion? I'll second that. Second, the motion is there further discussion or questions? I would I want to clarify a comment made earlier. When I talk about the bill expanding the building for all more than just county employees, what we're talking about was, absolutely it's a public building, it's for all, it's for the whole public. That goes without saying. What I was talking about was part of the expansion to the footprint of the building and the expansion of the square footage of the building was the creation of the, was the create, which was part of the cost, was expanding a community room up there. Thank you for clarifying that. Thank you for clarifying that. I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And thank you for calling out. Know what, that was part of the, the expense of the building. And there was a lot of considerable time, figuring out with the fire code and so forth. How do we get that, that room is because we can get it. But we were, we, we wanted to not stop short of the meeting space because we know how often the elections is used. And- Need meeting space. We need a jury. We need meeting space. Absolutely. And I don't disagree with your other observations and we've talked about that publicly and independently about the need for the courts. Absolutely, it's a core function. Part of this is just developing the remaining part of the site in a thoughtful way. And so that if we're going to be maintaining it, along or a grass or a field, how is that maintained and do it? Does not just go ahead as part of this project is it fully developed? And I don't think, I think the word amphitheaters is too strong a statement. That's not what is envisioned. It's a stage area. It's not an, we're not creating an amphitheater. It was, it's a, it's a, it's a nicely manicured lawn that's landscaped with trees that we can also help offset the expense of that in the thoughtful way by having our cities partner with us. And I think that's something that we could do if the cities would like to participate and have a tree. And they're honored, that's a considerable cost savings to the county. And that was one of the thoughts we could do and it would create a connection from our cities to our, because this serves the whole county. So that might be an opportunity for them to be a participant in the public space. And that space can be used much like the courthouse now is used when we do the decimatory lighting and all the other things that we're doing if it helps an event there. That's a county participate, so it's not gonna be. That's a kind of participating. So it's not it's not going to be space that's not going to be used or we're already in the public space business. This is about literally the public square. We have. I would have there's going to be another protest. A couple of weeks. Sorry. No, I would like to say your idea of having a benefactor to underwrite the cost of that part alone is a great idea. I think that we just have somebody green that we just approved the job description for economic development. Economic development. And there's no reason why the role of that person could not seek out and find benefactors for that as well. And as the judge so rightly said that this is a project that's going to be not months. It may go into year, a couple of years. And ample time to find someone as a benefactor are multiple benefactors. Jim Horn. Get him to give us a million dollars. We'll name it the Jim Horn. But we'll do that space. So I think there's a emotional. So I'm just voting to do the building right Andy? For some reason you get a benefit. I'm willing to reconsider the park. I just think at this point, we just need to move forward to the building and hold that portion in a bay. So that's my motion. All right, we have a motion and the second is the further discussion. Everyone understand the motion? All right, all in favor, please say aye. Opposed, aye. Nene. Motion carries three in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, aye. Naye. Motion carries three in favor, two opposed. I move we adopt the plan as presented. We did. We did. We moved to approve the park part. And then it would be more linear. Wait a minute. The first motion. We wanted to do a motion to approve the building and I'm there's a motion on the floor to approve the concept plan. Okay. Okay. Full concept including part. That's Andy the motion. The motion was that we approved the building concept. The building concept minus. And not including the park because I want to be in favor of us moving forward with the building as designed. Okay. And that motion carried. Right. And then I wanted to be able to separate it out that way I could vote against the portion of the park. I'm supportive of the building and the concept. Okay, and just I'm just trying to clarify here. So then the second motion by Commissioner Eads was to support the entire concept, correct? Right. Yes. Bless the whole package. How about a proofy item? I think that is very quickly. That's the motion. Is there a second in the second by Commissioner Marchand? Under discussion. Hearing none. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, aye. Motion carries. Four in favor, one opposed. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure working with you all. That was great. You've been very patient with us, so we've put a lot of changes on you after they've come up with something to go. No, don't like this. We need to change direction here a little bit, but you've certainly been very helpful and we appreciate that. Thank you. Okay, members item 13A. I don't have any legislative policy statements for you today, but I would just like to make sure that everybody realizes if you have a particular piece of legislation that affects your area of expertise whether it's the Sheriff's Department and certainly county commissioners or any other department had our elected official and you'd like commissioners court to take a position on it Please let us know and give us good backup material on it and we will address that we're gonna keep this as Standing item on the agenda just because sometimes these things come up fast and So we're gonna keep that as a standing item on the agenda during the session and some days we'll have action items and some days we won't. Okay, so today there'll be no action on 13A. 13B is approval of drawing the names from the 2016 grand jury to serve on the Denton County salary grievance committee, which we hope never has to meet. But we have to go through this process to get our names thank you ma'am okay we'll be drawing I'm sorry actually we draw more than nine you draw nine that are members possibly if they have to meet and then you draw nine alternates. I've got a stack here. Elise Vaughn in Dallas. I don't know if it's relation or not. Elizabeth White and Ronok. Julie Cavendr and Bartonville. William Seismor and Luis Fowl. Michael Payne Argyle. You tell me when we get tonight. Larry Murphy Plano. We're getting a good cross-county representation, aren't we? Kimber Davis Frisco. Michael Swerpenentine Lillian. Miss the Weddle Denton. That's nine. Okay, these will be the nine alternates. Teresa English Trophy Club. Justin Teeter Denton, Kathleen Allen Oak Point, Brandon Schmidt Friscoe, Pamela Norton Denton, Kristen Hatteras-Ronoke, Kathy Merley-Halland Village, Elizabeth I'm going to go to the next floor. Elizabeth men's list. General dawn in Carroll. Hopefully we don't have to call on their services. We need a motion for approval of the names that we drew. From the motion by Commissioner Marchant. The chair will second the motion. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Posting. Motion carries. 14 A is approval of a memorandum of understanding between the city of Denton Police Department, pursuant to and under authority of the Interlocal Corporation Act. Chapter 791 of the Texas Local Government Code and for the purpose of participation in the Urban Counties Tech Share Program, Tech Share Juvenile and Dent County. The approval. Motion by Commissioner Marchant. Seconded by Commissioner Conan. Are there questions or comments? Hearing none, all in favor, please say aye. Aye, pose, aye. Motion carries. 14b is approval of renewal number four to the ATM placement agreement between Debt and County Texas and Point Bank. Motion by Commissioner Coleman, seconded by Commissioner Marchant, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. 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Aye, post and a motion carries. Under 15B, there'll be no action today. With that, we're adjourned. Everybody have a great day. Thank you.