Oh look Mr. Surface has no minor on. I print it off. Okay good afternoon this is Monday June the 19th it's 4 o'clock in the afternoon regular session of town council. Barb would you be willing to call the roll? That's it. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Good. Yeah. This evening, we have a meeting that has one major item which is the beginning of the draft of the community survey which we'll be doing this year but prior to getting there and all the hard work and recognizing Travis's hard work getting this ready to go. I'll see if anyone has any public comment. They're being known. We will continue consent agenda. Do I have a motion for the consent agenda? So moved. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Any discussion? If not, all in support? Say aye. Aye. Opposed? I'm signed. Any updates on your attendance for the summer that we need to note? That was a great. At this point, I may have, I'm waiting to hear back from might be late August, medically. Yeah, so I don't have a. And you're gone. I'm here. I have my changes. I have nothing changed from what's changed with me. My dates are an end. Your dates are still. I'm only missing two. Oh, we're in session and reading. Just in case Madeline's listening. I'm going to miss you. Thank you. You haven't excused absence, which we're allowed to do. So, where are you going? And what's the difference between excused and unexcused, probably? Oh, Mr. Dresser. Oh, no. You get a note from your mommy? That won't work in your case, sir. What about my wife? You get a note from your colleague. You get a merit. We'll give you a note. Just a question. We've had this experience before, so it was important to clarify, so we don't have to have people say we didn't meet the regulations. Any member of the town council or a board or commission who shall be absent from two consecutive regularly scheduled meetings without the prior approval of a majority of all the other members shall be considered deficient in performing the duties for which he or she was elected or appointed. And such action shall constitute grounds for removal. Upon the affirmative vote of four members of the town council removal proceedings pursuant to Call out of Vice Statute Section 31-4-307 shall be commenced. Now I should let you know we've had this issue before and it carries over from the old charter which was amended to reduce the number of members. It comes up periodically but it used to be a seven member council. So that affirmative vote of four members to commence those proceedings was a simple majority. Now with only five, it has become a super majority. So if one person isn't performing their duties as defined by the code. It takes all four of you to even start those proceedings. So this comes up and you can decide if you want to amend it. It is a code provision. You're going to amend it by just an ordinance or you can leave it the way it is. And I would just add that when we do the trap to agenda, as we've got the note, and we added the note on this, to say, if you're, when you approve it, you know when people are gonna be gone, and that's been the de facto group approval of being absent. So as long as you let everybody know, so we can maintain quorum. So, okay, so I mean, saying when you let everybody know, that is an approved. You put it on here and you consent agenda proves it. Then it's approved. Okay. So when it says you're out and there's a majority vote for the consent agenda, that's approval of those absence. That's pre-approval of those absence. It's really, really important that we all try to be here. And we had in the past, we've had issues around one council person always being very late for meetings and That's and it's more than 20 minutes and that created that creates some challenges at well at best Yes, provisions are very similar for cardiness. Yes, but it It did become a problem and do you get extra points when you hear early all the time? No. Oh, just check. No. We're not going to like it. It's not a point scoring system. There's no demerits. You know what I mean? Yeah, we all take this job very seriously. So I know I'll be out one meeting in September. I think it's the third Monday, but that is not confirmed as of today's meeting. Okay, moving on. Do we have any public hearings? We do not. Nothing on the agenda. There's nothing on the legislative or public hearings, but we will be right into administrative reports. And spend time talking about the first draft of the Community Survey for 2017. Everyone might think this is a real simple process. It is not simple. It takes a lot of heavy lifting. So Travis, I'm going to turn it over to you. I really liked your lead in note about some suggestions we might want to incorporate. So let's proceed. Great, thank you so much. I'm pleased to present a very rough draft version of the 2017 community survey. This will be the fourth iteration that the town has conducted a community survey. We've contracted with the ETC Institute to help conduct the survey on our behalf. And yeah, we're getting started. to help conduct the survey on our behalf and Yeah, we're getting started so the survey that was included in your packet Is what we have so far as a draft 90% of that as you may have noticed from the 2015 version is going to remain the same That helps us capture trends and changes and public opinion, priorities and quality of service. But we did make a handful of changes. The major ones include removing questions that were specific to traffic calming measures related to the roundabout. We removed a handful of questions that were specific to special events just because of the timing is going to be a little bit different this year. And those didn't really make sense and we also modified a question to include the town council's top strategic goals which was just a little bit of different wording there. We'll continue working with our directors from each department to see if there are any further adjustments they'd like to make or add additional questions that they would like to ask the community. And we just want to make sure you know we're asking relevant and useful questions. We also could potentially add some benchmarking comparison questions. ETC has an inventory of questions that they ask across the nation. So if we want to include some of those to see how we compare, we would need to do that as well. And so development will continue through this month, and we hope to watch the survey. The 2017 survey is close to July 4th as possible. You may have noticed on your future agenda items, we were hoping to present a closer to final draft version of the survey on July 3rd. Actually just found out like 15 minutes ago that might not work for ETC. We'd like to have them here in person to do that presentation. So we might push that back but it's a tough day. I'm going to see Monday between the weekend and the holiday. So get him an outside consultant up here. I'm going to see if they can maybe send someone else. But either way, development will continue for the next few weeks. We'll be working with directors. And of course, you guys, I'm hoping to launch soon. At that point in time, it will remain open for three to four weeks, depending on our response rate. And it will be online only unless someone makes a special request for paper version. We will make those available either for pickup here, or I can always send a PDF and they can print it off. But online version of the survey. The community has to go on to tosv.com and pull it up. Yeah, so primarily it'll be available on our website, but we'll also send out email notifications, postcards. We did a series of advertising, you know, through the newspaper with shortcuts and QR codes to go directly to the survey. And we also rely upon our newsletter subscription list. So, yeah, we have about 4,000 emails that we have access to that we said more monthly newsletter to and we will make sure we send them a link as well. And of course, there's social media, grassroots television, stuff like that. And then we aim to have the final report presented back to you guys by ETC at your Tuesday, September 5th council meeting. So that's the plan so far for the 2017 community survey. As you pointed out, I did make a couple of suggestions in the cover memo for today's meeting. We basically just want to open it up to you guys to see what you're thinking in terms of. Are these questions still relevant? Are there additional things that we should be asking that we're not and so we want to make sure that we get those kind of Developed and in good draft form for the next time we're reviewing the draft survey which will be done by ETC Travis did you say September 5th or 6th? 5th. Am I off? Is that Labor Day? Labor Day is the fourth on Monday. So Tuesday is the 5th, right? So every Tuesday. So I think that week you guys will meet on Tuesday. I thought you said the sixth. Okay. So in order to proceed, we can go section by section Travis and talk about it or would you prefer to just hop around, skip around, go into the questions that Travis that you have proposed, like the comp plan and the marijuana question. Right. I, shotgun approaches. Shotgun? shotgun. It's up to you. I guess I'd like to start with anything that jumped out as you out to you as no one relevant and if there are anything's in particular that you are burning to get at it. I'm burning. Okay. I mean I have a lot of different comments. I mean some are things that I feel like should be added, some are the way questions are asked that I feel like are strange and maybe I would understand them but people in the general public may not understand what you're getting at. So why don't we go question but let's go page by page. And then I would like to know the things that you proposed where you would want to add them in in terms of the survey. But I think just probably going through it will get all those things answered. OK, I'm going to let you guide. I think that's the way to do it as well, because that'll zero are thinking in as we go through it. And Travis, you want to take the lead here as well for this conversation, okay? So let's just start with the first page. A lot of these questions actually are asked just to use skip logic. So if you answer one question in a certain way, you won't get other questions. Why does it matter if they're taking out a mobile device? There are certain questions that don't appear correct on a mobile device. There are certain questions that don't appear correct on a mobile device. So they shouldn't take it on a mobile device or? Yeah, and but what they do is basically make two totally separate surveys so that if you're taking it on a mobile device, it looks better. Okay. If you're taking it on a computer, it doesn't matter. So it's specifically, it's those great questions. They have all the radio buttons. Instead of getting the radio button options, if you're on a mobile device, you'll get a drop down. Which makes it a lot easier. Travis, a question too. There is a change to what it was in 2015, which I think is a critical, I think it's critical that we go back to what was on 2015. In 2015, the last option was actually employee in snowmass, not living in snowmass. And the reason that that is important is because we need collectively, we need a way to separate the responders who live in, work in snowmass and live here and work in snowmass and live other places. And I, in my going through the questions, as they appear, I couldn't see where that differentiation was taking place with the wording as it is. Yeah. The reason we made that modification, it was kind of personal preference, but basically, the way it was asked in 2015, there are, you could apply to more than one of those situations. So I could be a non-resident of STEMF Village and an employee of STEMF Village who lives outside. Yeah, but that to me is confusing if I was taking that survey. We'd say that again. I think it's confusing the way it is now. Okay, yeah, we can continue. Because you could be a year round resident and an employee. So is that it? And which would you check off? You need to check off both. But it doesn't say check all that apply. Yeah. It only says check. You know, it doesn't say check all that apply. Yeah. It only says check. You know, essentially it's a check all. You can change it to check all that apply. No, here's my, I'm going to take the thought that I presented and I want to take it one step further. So if we were to go back to not living in Snowmass Village, then we have a follow up question to that. And that is, you know, just, that is, where do you live? So how far are our employees coming, you know, driving or trans, or being transported, trans, you know, into the town. Because again, I think that this relates to some regional issues, it relates to transportation, housing. And... So, do you want to put it by miles or by community, Bob? I would put it by community. It's I think it's easier for people to respond. That'd be a long list, right? Yeah, we might just make it like a text box zip code or something like that. Yeah, that's a text box because you got people coming from Peionia. I like what you're saying though. It would be a non-resistant option auction and from there we can break it down. To the same point it would follow that as an if someone checked off the year-round or the part-time resident the question number 52 where is your you, residents located should be the next question asked. In other words, it would follow that if you are, if you are a year round or a part time resident, and we want to know where your residence is located, we should ask that question, you know, subsequently. So, I mean, you're in question 52, it's got a blank spot for them to write in. But if they're doing a mobile device, how are they, are they able to type that in? Yes. You're talking about just the other option? Yes. They're going to be able to type in as opposed to just a check. They don't have to type it in. And a lot of people choose not to, but do you have the ability to type it in? So back to Bob's question. So if I live in permanent home, is Indiana, why do we care? No, we don't. So if you're a guest't so if you're a guest But if you're if you're a part-time person. Yeah, why do you care where my permanent home is we don't Okay, so we don't want to put in where they live with it's where they live in snowmass. Oh, okay. Oh, I see Okay, so you got the major areas. What other area might do we just you're asking the order speed. Yeah, I'm asking because there's a, it seems to me that if we get that information in the beginning, it follows from who are you? We need base village on there. It follows from who are you. So there are three questions. There is, where is your snowmass village residents located? How long have you lived in snowmass village? And are you registered voter? All those three questions relate to year round resident parttime resident. And can you on 52 add base village? Yes we can thank you. Yeah I think that all makes sense. Okay. I will tell you that the reason the demographic questions are we reserved for the end is because most people don't finish their survey. So we want to get to the most important questions as quick as possible. And so getting a sense of how well people think the community is doing might be more important than what neighborhood they live in. But I totally give it your saying. It's a flow in the organization. I agree with you. Well, I would then make another suggestion at this point. One of the things that we are really trying to focus on, I think, is housing, right? We need every bit of information that we can find about who wants housing, who's got housing, and so forth, and so on. Well, housing is the last subject matter in this thing. And if we are concerned about people dropping out, we should move housing way up on the top. That's a good point. Thank you. The opening paragraph. What page? The one that's like right under the first question, if you're making it's that opening paragraph. Okay. That's untiedled at the moment. But in it, you say ETC, well, I think you should spell it out because no one's going to know what ETC is. I'm not even sure ETC is, but yes. I mean, it's just weird, because your partnership with ETC, where like you should spell it out because no one's gonna know what ETC is. I'm not even sure what ETC is, but yes. I mean, it's just weird. Because your partnership with ETC, where you're like, well, what is that? And the other thing is at the bottom, you say after completing the survey, you will have a chance to enter to win. You should say you will have a chance to win, or you will be entered to win or something. It's very, it's weird. There's too many verbs to enter to win. Okay. So if somebody drops out two-thirds of the way through the survey, do they hit the submit button or is there a submit button? Or let's just say they drop out, they don't have the time, I say, I've had a surveys. and they just x out of the website. How do you collect that information that they've already done? You know I'm not sure how it works but I do know that it does save their answers. Also if they just x out of it it saves. Because I totally agree with you in your opening statement that you had written that you want to keep the questions to a minimum because everywhere you go, whether it's to play golf, to stay at a hotel, if someone's going to send you a survey, how was your experience yesterday? And it gets to be a pain. People really, I think, at a point they don't want to take surveys anymore. So everywhere you go, if you had to get by something on Amazon, how was your experience on Amazon? Or wherever you went, you're getting two or three emails a day. So I think what I'm saying is I totally agree with you. Let's keep it as short as possible. And just get the meat that you want to get in this survey. Where are they going to win? We're working on that. Hopefully not an REI gift card or whatever it was. No, we're working with our tourism department. Well, no, because of the last time. We're hoping to offer. That was not this survey. It was a different one. No, I know what I'm saying. It still falls on us. Last year it was VIP passes to Jazz Fest and a couple of gift cards to Clark's market. That's a nice. That's a nice, serious gift. That's a serious gift. And it's a local gift. Yes. And I think you need to list that. Absolutely. Hey, Wil, why'd he just come in? I'm going to put that carrot out there. You should see the political cartoon on my wall, actually. It's from the snowmast on last year says, please take the community survey, you have to, if you do, we'll give you prizes or something like that. That's not good. But yeah, we play that angle. Good. Okay, moving on. Yes, thank you. So, overall, since the community question, that's one of those just basics, quick and easy. It's good to have comparisons to the overall quality of services of town government. Is this number four? Yes, number four. Oh, I have a comment on that. Okay, go for it. Okay. Number four. So if you look at question number eight, which is in a different section, but the last part of question eight, like the of the choices is don't know, but you don't offer that here. And so if you've never interacted with anyone on the town government, then you should be able to check, don't know. It's just weird that it's in number eight and it's not in number four. Does everyone understand what I'm saying? Yes. I mean, because neutral is not the same as don't know. I mean, you don't want people checking neutral if they've never interacted with anyone on the town staff. Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, and I think it's frustrating when you don't have that option, so. Okay. So if you can take care of that, that was question four for moving on. I have a question on five or comment on five. Me too. I have actually a couple of comments. First off, this year we have six primary strategic goals. Right. In 2015, we had 10. So there were, of which people were asked to write in three out of the 10. I personally, I feel three out of six is too many, and two out of six would be more appropriate to help us to focus. That's one comment. My other comment has to do with the increasing opportunities for effective community engagement. People aren't going to understand that. They're not going to understand that. What, when I re-read the strategic goal today, it, that strategic goal of community engagement really focused on engagement between the town council and the community. So I would suggest a wording change that would say increasing opportunities for effective communication with town council. Now there may be better ways to say it but what I really need I feel we need to get in there is that it's town council and the community that are engaging. I agree I think it's it's not really clear what that what we're trying to say we know what we're trying to say but other people are not going to know what we're trying to say I agree Well that begs the next question How would you like to see that happen? Well later on in the survey Yeah, they get into those specific questions about type of Interaction you would attend right which we need to still work on those options as well. But yeah, I get what you're saying. And we can make that specific to town council. But yeah, that was the idea. It was just a list, basically, the strategic goals of the town council as opposed to what it's been in the past, where they're a little bit more broad and vague. Okay, switching it to two, Bob's suggestion. 9-2-3. Yeah, John. If you pick two, the public picks two. The other four get thrown out. Well, no, the public is the public going to pick different to. Yeah, they pick to it just says the most emphasis. I guess my I asked that question because what happens to the. Unlike goals, they go away. So I don't. My question is If these are the six would you consider having them rent? Rather than picking two oh Yeah Yeah, because they're all we've identified them all as strategic goals. It's just the priorities. Well, that would make sense. You're gonna you're gonna feel their relative importance rather than picking two and you know, so rank orders and community spaces win. Right. So you're basically ranking them in order of importance. Okay. One through six. Right. And I don't know if that's possible. Yeah it's possible. Technically. Because your next question's perfect. Are there others that you feel are important that we don't address? Yeah well if the winner comes from that box. So on the point got to find out who that person is and get him over here. I'm like to. On number four. One, two, three, four. Where it's is improving and participating regionally with partners to solve large issues. I mean, what like I just that is weird to me. Like I don't think that anyone is going to understand what that means. What are large issues? Yeah. I mean, are you talking about value-wide transportation? I mean, what is it that you're talking about? I think you have to get a little, at least give an example or something, because I would be like, what kind of large issues? Global warming? I mean, what are you talking about? All the above that you just mentioned. Well, such as how is it? But I mean, but I'm saying like, is it... But it's participating regionally, what? I've solved significant regional issues. Well, you have improving and participating regionally with partners to solve what. But I mean, maybe move the regionally to what you just said. Participating with partners to solve... Local partners. Local partners to solve regional issues. Are you after public and private? Or are you looking at from municipalities or what? Well, this I mean you're the council gold off-talk my head was we're gonna look out We're gonna be good partners with folks and so sorry So it's gonna I mean it's that's a tough one. It's it's a tough one to capture in a short sentence I don't know I don't know, I don't know. But if we say improving and participating with partners to regionally solve, to solve regionally significant issues, something along those lines. That would be fine. significant issues, something along those lines. That would be fine. And you could add such as just a few ideas. So we could say such as housing and transportation. Because we know that those. Those are the two biggest. And those are two that people know about or at least think that you should. I mean, I just think you have to give people little guidance here because who knows what's gonna be going on in their head. I mean, now I'm playing, I'm gonna second guess that if we put that in there, are you just taking it in? I mean, do you have two for housing now because you got increased affordable housing? Well, I think even if you just say what you said before about working with other local or municipalities or whatever it is to help solve regional issues, I mean, I think that says it because because then people are like, they think in their own head, housing, transportation, whatever it is. I mean, I just think it doesn't lend itself to really people understanding what you're trying to say. That's great, yeah. Okay. And the next one where you say it increased the amount of community spaces, i.e. library, plaza to create more community-focused activity. That just, activity sounds weird to me. It's like engagement. Yeah, it's not activity. You're not trying to increase activity. You're trying to increase spaces where people can feel like community. And so it's, I don't know, that means like a different word. Does that make sense? Does the mayor's like engagement more for more people engagement more for more increasing the amount of engagement? Yeah, but then you have the next question about well, I guess that's community engagement. So, but it is. The town council. Yeah, I mean. You're going to be using community engagement twice. Right. I don't know. It's just there's something about it that's weird. Of community opportunities. Community spaces. Like it's like to create more gathering spaces to The amount of community to create additional opportunities Why is going to say community gathering spaces? Yeah, community, and we see a man of community gathering spaces? Yeah, community. And we see a amount of community gathering spaces to create more opportunities for community interaction. For community for interaction. Right. That's fine. I just think activity is strange. Community focused interaction. I mean, not, I don't know. And then, just in general, in that whole section, it's weird because just look at the periods. There's a lot of inconsistencies. You're either having periods or you're not having periods. At the end of each sentence, it just makes me crazy. I'm sorry. Thanks for pointing it out. And it's like that everywhere. It's like there's in some places, there's periods, in some places, there's columns, in some places, there's cones and some... First draft, but yes, guys. But I'm just saying, these are things to go back and look at. When you look at something 20 million times, it doesn't become obvious anymore. Thank you. But to me, it is. Capitals too. Sometimes I capitalize. I mean, I'll nitpick it again, but I get it. So how do your kids do homework near you. I just want to help talk to this. When they do writing homework, it's not a pretty day. Let me tell you. We've reached you for a reason, so thank you. Moving on. We are on number six. So that's just the catch all for folks to put down other priorities. And then seven, if you keep one thing in some essence, in perpetuity in some aspects village what would it be? Okay then we move into the more service quality questions. So that administration headings gonna not be on a separate page right? It just looks like that now. Right. All those headings. It's first draft. I'm just making sure. Yes. Well yeah I mean it would be electronic so. Right I mean I figured it out. I would have my wrist slapped me a number of times. Page breaks. Yeah, we'll fix it. OK, guys. Oh, we're picking on you. So here, we're just talking about. Great job, guys. Come on. Service quality with the administration, mostly the town clerk's office, since they have the most interaction with? Yeah, that's weird to me because, okay, all of the questions have to do with the clerk's office. Yeah. But you're calling it the town of Snowmass Village Government. I would just say with the clerk's office within the town of Snowmass Village. I mean, it's weird because in other places, you're separating out the different government functions. And here, you're specifically talking about the clerk's office, but you're entitling it the town of Snowmass Village government. I don't know. I just think it should I think it should be specifically about the clerk's office. Well let's say number I see. I think that's just one of the options because you have available personnel to address your question your needs that's not clerks. But all those things fall within the purview of the clerk right? not the licenses and all that stuff. Well, the election process, but availability of personnel. No, but what about the licenses and public records? Public records does. I'm just saying, I don't know. I get what you're trying to say, but I don't know. My guess is most of the people that are coming to that office are coming because of a clerk need Yeah, I'm disagree What I think yeah, we could go either way with it Don't they come to see you you guys they do but I mean but I think what what Councillor Scheng saying is that Listen, there's no questions about Travis's work in my work in here or John's work for that matter Yeah, no, so change the title the overall title the clerk Listen, there's no questions about Travis's work and my work in here, or John's work for that matter. It's all clerk. So change the title, the over-rele title of the clerk, because those are, that's really what the questions are relevant to. And so the three of us get off ska free. No, no, I was. Spa. No. But if you want to have specific questions about them, I think we can, but I just think that is specific. All those are talking about the clerk. I want to add. As a matter of fact, also, if you look at Question 9, Question 9, which is the follow-up question. Right. It just quickly talks about the clerk. Right. I just cleaned that up. That makes sense. Well, what I wanted to do was add a question about the availability and responsiveness of your town attorney and your town manager. Well, then I think it has to be a separate question. Well be under administration though. Right but I think it gets confusing because I think if you're gonna leave number eight specifically about the clerk's office, then I think you make number nine about town staff. A bird like the administration. In order to keep it short, I would, let us tweak this a little bit. I don't know that we need four questions on the clerk and let us tweak this a little bit. I don't know that we need four questions on the clerk. No, we'll just be more specific. Sure, and I understand. I mean, I get the point. Instead of making it longer, let us. That's fine. I don't care. I just think it needs to be a little more specific. And in that one, two, third one down, where it says, ease and efficiency of licenses application process. That is not that's weird. It should of the license application processes or something. It's not right. We're licensing application. Right. Oh, licensing, that's what you want. It doesn't make sense. I mean, that would be a good example of one we might eliminate because there's probably fewer of that. Let us. Okay. Okay. Well, if you decide to keep it, you to change the word it. Make it in English. Okay moving on now to Command before you put it in a question about responsiveness the attorney a lot of people think that because they pay taxes that I'm their attorney Mike John yeah, I hear He's not paying attention Your survey results just one. Just my point is, when they come in and ask about how do I foreclose on somebody's house? Well, that's not your job. I understand, but then you're going to put a question out there. So I'm just throwing that out there, because that is a common misconception that I deal with frequently. Really? Yeah. That's weird. Yeah. I could tell you a funny story about it, but not on TV. I just find that odd. You do divorce and separation and all that stuff. No, but that doesn't stop people coming in and saying this is wife handed me, what do I do with it? And when I say, I can't help you with that, that doesn't make them feel that they're... I don't know, like a day in my unders. You would be more than surprised. So, Judge Judy. Well, I think we do it with a talent manager. If it's part of the whole, no, I don't, I just, if it's part of the whole, no, I don't, I just, if it's part of the whole, but if you're gonna do a separate section. I get it. Okay. Okay, moving on, let's look at Comdev. Okay. So you'll notice number 10 is a question asking if they've had any involvement with the Community Development Department. Obviously, if they haven't, that they're gonna- I will tell you most everybody does not call it the community development department. Yeah, we actually talked about that. We're going to maybe put overseas building and planning something. I mean, that is now that department is called, but when you're saying community development, you also talking, I mean, you're referring to also the building department. Yes. Licing and you know. All that stuff. Permit. Permit that they're talking about. Right. Not many, you know, I think there's more people involved in the building department than it would be in the planning. Yeah, I agree. And this is written by bureaucrats that's actually called the Community Development Department. In English, that's what Travis is saying. We'll change it to English. Anybody in the structure business does know that, but it's not everybody in the community. No, everybody calls it the planning department. All my neighbors call it the planning department. It's not the planning department. And that's the stuff that will make what you can speak. That's what I would call it. But for years, it was the building and planning department. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was. Which two departments for a while, right? Yeah, well, regardless of what you changed the name to One director what that I could do you could put in Perance Well, probably the common planning and just because everybody kind of understand If one answers no to that question Do they get to skip some of these other things? Yes, they skip the whole section Well, which yeah is is pretty much the same for every department with a few exceptions. When they skip, do they come up to this? Of course. No, do they come up to the last question, which is do you have any comments about services? Because there's a part of me that thought, even though somebody hasn't had any recent experience, that they still might have a comment about a service, although they've not used the service, or maybe they have an idea of a service that's not being provided One thing that I would caution us yeah is people like to chatter and The community so Joe Blow tells me well I had problems with the planning department on ABC and D and you'll get their side of the story and then it goes into kind of a survey, which I don't I'm not sure is help. Okay. That's my only concern. We don't want to respond to rumor. Okay. I have a few comments. I think in number 10, you should change the word used to utilize because you don't use it. I mean, that's, I don't know. Utilize. Okay. It's much better, I think. Also, in number 11, under the first one, courtesy and fairness. Certicy and fairness of what? Well, there are almost two separate concepts. fairness, courtesy and fairness of what? Well, they're almost two separate concepts. Right. I mean, is it courtesy of the staff? Is it fairness of the application process? I just I don't really know what it's asking and I'm not saying that because I think you know, I just don't know what you mean or maybe just ask the community development slash planning department what they mean. maybe just ask the community development slash planning department what they mean. And likewise, on the last one where it says amount of information required in applications, like what does that mean? Like is it too cumbersome? Is it? I don't know. People who've done through that know exactly what that would mean. Okay. So also Travis, we have initiated and Doug has done this and online permits, I think we need to just bring that, have you use the online version of applying for permits? And that will start people thinking a little bit because we in the building and planning, we do want people to start using that because they can also start scheduling their inspections online, not necessarily by calling on the inspection line. Yes. Julian, agreed. And we're going to work on something for specific to the new system. work on something for specific to the new system. So for jumping down to number 14, public works, so similar service quality type questions specific to the public works department, street maintenance, no removal, solid waste. I believe, well, these are asked to everyone, not just, if they say yes or no. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to sell it waste. I believe these are asked to everyone, not just if they say yes or no. I ask a question about 14. Go ahead. 14, the one, two, three, four, fifth choice down. Cleanliness, upkeep of public facilities. I feel like people are going to confuse those with like park, trails, and wreck facilities. So I feel like what kind of public facilities are you talking about? The dumpsters. Okay, but like because if I when I first read it like I wasn't really paying attention anymore that it was public work specifically and I was thinking about the public facilities. And I don't think people I don't know. I just might be a little confusing. And I don't think people, I don't know, I just might be a little confusing. And I feel like when you're asking people questions, it might be good to ask about composting. If people, because you say which type of trash service, would you prefer recognizing that the cost vary? I mean, I think composting is the thing that people are becoming increasingly interested in and that maybe it might be worth it to get a feel on do people really want better options for composting in StoMess Village? That's a good suggestion. Same with like the, I know we've talked about it before doing like a thing like they do an aspect where people can put out their stuff and we can collect it like is that something that would be interesting interest of interest to people because there's no point in planning these things if five people want to do it but if you had a lot of people to be like oh my god to have a pick up day like that that would be amazing and that one that we got to be careful because it'd be you'd get a hundred saying yes, absolutely. And the mental part of that is, are you willing to pay for it? Yeah. Well, I know, but you say here at that one, you're talking about recognizing the cost to provide these services may vary. I mean, you know, Well, that's what curbside pickup is. So whether it's curbside pickup, you know, once a week for your trash or whether it's a curbside pickup Every three months for some other stuff you want to get rid of that's still curbside pickup Wait, but not everybody has curbside pickup No, I understand but what this question is asking is What's your preference curbside pickup dumpster or Take it to take it yourself? My point is that some people might not want that all the time, but once a year they might be like, this would be a great opportunity. I'm just throwing it out there. We could do it every while with it, but these are the things that I was thinking of when I was taking the survey myself. I hope to God we never go there. Glimwood Springs, they do that one day you pick up every year. Yeah. And I'll tell you the stuff that is out on the curbs. Well, it's out for weeks. It, yes, weeks and weeks and weeks. OK. And people put furniture and you talk about old tires and everything else. It's tough. It's a problem that we would create that's going to cost a lot of money. But a plan on following up the end and working with her on the kind of questions she needs for that solid waste management plan. Okay. Because we are doing a little rate study this year trying to make sure our rates are right so we'll probably coordinate those questions with that rate. Okay. And I think we have an opportunity to maybe tweak or change or remove number 15 and ask some of those. So thank you. Police. Police departments. Is this another one if you answer no, you skip? Yes. Oh, sorry. In the number 15, I forgot to say this. Good. When you say most efficient cost effective and accepted option, why do you put accepted option? Why don't you just put most efficient cost effective and accepted option? Why do you put accepted option? Why don't you just put most efficient and cost effective option for the community? I don't know. It's just so it's weird to me. I forgot to mention that. That's okay. I think yeah, I'm not really sure what we meant by accepted there. Well, because the most efficient and effective is curbside, because we can monitor who's putting what out, no one gets to put anything illegal out. And I'm not saying we can change it, but the logic was, accepted we also know that dumpsters are the preferred methodology. That's right. It's a measurement of efficient, effective, and politically acceptable. Yes. That's fine. I just was weird to me. No, it's, I knew what was going on with that. And it's just, it's still this day of all the things I've been surprised about moving here is people love donsters and most people I just, I like to put it on my curb. Other people like to deliver. Yeah, but you don't live on a hillside and walking down'm not sure if you're a person. I'm not sure if you're a person. I'm not sure if you're a person. I'm not sure if you're a person. I'm not sure if you're a person. I'm not sure if you're a person. I'm not sure if you're a person. I'm not sure if you're a person. I pay the year round to use the dumpsters. And then I pay added for curbs. I know. It's great for me. But if you're only using your house part time, your residence, whatever type of residence, a dumpster is very attractive because you don't have to pay for year round curbside when you may use it a portion of the year. And you can get ready to trash any day you leave versus having to wait for exactly Exactly Okay moving on Please Surprising to be delivered yeah jumping into police department we have several service quality questions there We're also talking about moving some of the trail and dog enforcement questions into this section of the survey. We also talk a little bit. So going on to 19, police presence around different areas of the town and then additional comments for the police department. and then additional comments for the police department. 21, we are talking about the village shuttle here. So in addition to the service quality questions, we're doing a little bit of research. Number 22 is asking, you know, how you get to the village shuttle. Travis on 22, can you add a comment block next to other please? So let me ask I have a question. So on the village shuttle if one were to answer no, do I skip all the other questions? Now you go to number 24, right? Yes. So yeah, you skipped how you would get to the village shuttle and you would skip number 23, because you wouldn't know. And you go to 24 to say, well, why aren't you using the shuttle? OK. Well, actually, this is what would motivate you to do it. So it's more up. It's going to cause a difference difference. The answer from two years ago was have a deliberate have this shuttle closed for my house. That was the predominant answers. We're going to get again because it doesn't go up Wood Road and doesn't go up far away. Right. And if, I mean, we're not willing to consider that expansion of service, it might consider dropping that question. That's a lot of roads just doesn't go up. Right. And so I'm going to, you know, check in with David obviously, but we might take that one out. But yeah, we know the answer, making more convenient. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to save space, go put in questions. You know the answer. I had a potential ad to this section. When we were talking, when we approved the We Cycle stuff, we talked about the potential of putting in We Cycle stations. And I would just be curious if the opportunity came to put in we cycle stations at key points like rodeo or up by the The center to people to ride down if people would utilize those I Mean I'm not talking this is happening next year or maybe ever But I think that is one of the things we had thought of with we cycle and that if someone lives up at You know one of those employee housing units and wants to ride their bike all the way down to town park and then hop on the bus and go into town or whatever it is, I'm gonna be interesting to know if people would utilize it if it was available. Yeah, that could definitely be good information to have when we're talking about. Just if it comes down to future discussion of We cycle. So just be how likely are you or would you be to use a we cycle? Yeah, a lot of people don't know what the price is. People want to go downhill but they don't want to drive them back. Right. Well, a lot of people don't understand what the cost structure is for a we cycle. And some people that live in in funny. Yeah, but some people may already have it if they have it for town. You know, if they work in Aspen and they already have a pass. But if you lived in, you know, certain areas of snowmass and you were like, wow, it would be really nice. I could just hop on the thing, go all the way down to rodeo and then I wouldn't have to take the village shuttle to blah, blah, blah, wait for the bus and go up to come back down. Oh, it might be interesting to know if people would be interested in it. Yeah, I think it's fine. I don't think it can get a lot of take on that one. People will write their bags. Okay, moving on. So, 26, we jump into marking tourism. Oh, yeah. There's a section, there's something wrong with it. Sorry about that. There are too many questions dropped from 2015. And I should have dropped number 26 too. Very first is a negative question coming out of the box. So those were the special event questions that I mentioned earlier that since we'll still be in the middle of special event season doesn't make sense to ask those. We did talk about adding more questions here though. Just talking about how informed people feel about special events and the event impacts. How about satisfaction with the services you're asking about any other department? Yeah. We did talk about that a little bit. I think if Rose and tourism team yeah, would be interested in that information. We probably developed something but there's not a direct service to the general public like there is like a police department, so. We're kind of, to be a term, this whole section I guess is just on standby, we're in a holding pattern. We'll wait till next time to critique this. More important that we know if they participate in town sponsored events. And if not, why not? And what you're gonna get back because some of them cost money. Sure. and if not, why not and what you're going to get back because some of them cost money. True. Which you should pay if it's you want to be entertained go pay for it but anyway, never mind. Go ahead. Okay, we will move on to park's Recreation and Trails. Number 29. This is a section we really need to look at. Okay, so again, just a standard skip logic question there, asking if folks have used the Recreation Center, and if they're a member. And then we get into level of satisfaction with different aspects of the recreation center. In 2015, did we, I think we also broke out fitness classes separately. Yes. And what was the response? You mean just in total responses or? In general, the general response to that. I mean, in other words, I guess what I'm asking is why we think it's necessary to specifically look into fitness classes again and perhaps use one of the other of the five things that we specifically ask about participation and check with on one of the other five. Yeah, and I don't have the total number, but I can certainly check. You're saying instead of having to think about fitness classes again in 32, perhaps we should ask about swimming lessons or adult leagues or and you don't need kids can't you don't give us that question again get some different information yeah yeah let us talk to Andy and see what he's looking for so let us let us talk to Andy and yeah sure yeah why wouldn't a new man or a new question come up for each one you checked? If I check fitness class and swim lessons, I'd get 32 right your fitness class, 33 right your swim lessons. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. And you don't check any, you don't get the next question. You get it. You check all five, you get to rate all five. That's a good suggestion. That's a good idea. And just, that might go to that length issue. It does, so let's, you know what I mean? You're getting the feedback you want, it's selective. And I know that you survey too, so it's okay. Yeah, and it might actually be set up like that. We'll check. This is just an example because fitness classes are the first one. So you check that and then the third two pops up. Okay, so jumping down to 32. Those are specific to the finished classes. Oh, wait, in 31. Yeah. I feel like you should say something like of the programs offered, which have you participated in, please check all that apply. I don't know, just like I just think it sounds better that way, but that's just me. No, we can reword that. I think it sounds better. Yeah. You don't like any of your sentence in prepositions? I just don't know. It just sounds weird. I think it sounds better at the program's operation. I did forever too. You can't represent the prepositions. I want to see you diagram a sense. There's no prepositions at the end that's a failure. And in number 32, maybe I missed this, but if you don't take a, if you've never taken a class, you won't answer those questions. I'm going to double check, but I think that is. Okay. Because if you haven't, then I think that is okay because if you haven't then I think you need a column that says I don't know but even if you have you might need a column that says I don't know because what if you don't you know I don't know. There are people that will take a class and they show up one time and that's it. Right, exactly. They can't really give the pinion. Well, why not have, you know, in 32, you have fitness classes and you could actually put swim lessons, like comma, kids camp, comma, adult leagues, and make that work for all those categories. I'm just saying, I feel like it's good to have a space where people don't issue an opinion. Because if someone took one piece. If you put comments, you don't know if they're commenting on a fitness or a lesson. Well, I'm saying they could check personal training or they, so first of all, in 31, they keep people checking more than one. Yes, yes. Yes, I'll check all that apply. And that answers the question. And at the end of 32, you're missing a period. Thank you. So 34 Travis would relate to whichever of the group of five that they're Answering question for I take it if they've never participated is everything what would motivate you to try something I mean Yeah, and I think if I yeah, I'm not sure how that would actually work I Think that don't check anything on 31, they skip to that. But we will definitely check that. And next time we revisit this, we'll have an electronic version so we can actually show you guys the skip logic. Okay. Okay. And 35. It's kind of similar, but I think if regardless, I think you're going to get asked that question. Yeah, I think that's a question to ask. 36 is something I talked about earlier. We're thinking about moving this to the police department section since they are responsible for this. We also added the enforcement of trail etiquette and user safety there. That wasn't asked in 2015. Do they handle trail etiquette in our police department? Well, this is our shot at talking about people using the trails politely. We asked the first three questions two years ago. The closures, the leash, the trail rules. And then, no, I mean, they don't enforce etiquette because you can't enforce etiquette, but they certainly stop and educate. They certainly stop bike riders who have your buds in and say, hey, you can't hear, take those out and slow down. And this is the busiest section. And they certainly do that. You know, you're going to get a pretty low rating on that one. Well, I think that's the reason we want to ask it. Right. Because you're going to, you never see them. We don't have enough manpower. I mean, you know, I mean, I'm not, yeah, I think that's the reason we want to add. That's's we put it in here specifically because we thought it was different than the other ones It was worthwhile asking and we know it's an issue that's gonna come up because it comes up every year. So let's let's ask it Communication So yeah 38 we're getting into communications 39 we've made a few tweaks to the options just to make them a little bit more clear. For example we split newspaper articles versus advertisements. We added grassroots CGTV. Number 40 we have several different web assets so I Seeing which ones are getting you what about those new ones? You need to add hike and bike snowmess. Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say Those new ones. I just didn't know what they were called don't tell tourism I left those out Don't tell tourism you lost them out here in trouble. I don't I doubt it. They probably would have noticed it when they evaluated their section which has nothing in it. They hoped they had the day off after the sleep in the room. They've only had the draft for like a week. Speaking of town staff, they did a great job putting on the heritage fire. That was really cool. I'll be sure to pass that on. It was excellent. It was fun. 41. These are all questions that were asked last time about the level of communication. 42 is what Alyssa was mentioning earlier with the different tools that we have to maybe increase community engagement. Change that second sentence to say because you have that if offered in parentheses, I would say if offered comma, which of the following would you participate in? It sounds nicer and cleaner. Looks better. Got it. Hopefully can come up some other creative options to add in there as well. But I think that get start. 43. It's kind of what it all comes down to. Do you have a comment spot in there? Yeah, this is actually what I what I thought about when I read this similar. I thought that this question is not a yes or no question, but it's really a question of satisfaction. So as we have many questions, very satisfied, less satisfied, so forth and so on. We could structure this along the lines of how satisfied are you with the opportunities to share your feelings and opinions. That's it. I mean, I made it. It's long, but I think you can get the idea. that in 41 not as directly so maybe we can tweak that a little bit. But in 41 we ask overall level of opportunity to share my comments and concerns. And above that we say, overall ability to communicate with 10 leaders. But yeah, I give what you're saying. It's not necessarily us or no. If they, if you don't fill your voices out, a quickly heard like why not? I mean, then they have to have some sort of specific. Or how would you improve? Right. I like that. Yeah, that's better. You know, like we've done on other places. Right. After 41, if you've, if you've, if you've checked dissatisfied or very dissatisfied, please tell us why. That works. Yeah, that's good idea. Okay. Thank you. And then maybe you don't even need 43. I don't think you're 43. All right. So now we're into that one, right? Yeah, I think we can definitely move it up. So I'm 45. Is that based on answers to 44, or rent, town owned, or am I supposed to answer 45? No. I'm a single homeowner and I love my house but it's way too big. I'm dissatisfied. Yeah, and I mean, I'm just making up stuff. 45 is restricted in rental units only. Yeah. So you won't get asked that one. Okay, so and it's only for and it's only for people living in snowmess village. So if you live, it doesn't stay back when you said I'm an employee and I live in RIFO. I do want me to fill out this question? No. OK. And we can set it up if it's not already set up to skip this section completely if you're a guest or not resident. One thing I would suggest we do. We have to flip this around because every other question that asks about satisfaction starts with very satisfied on the left and ends with this satisfied on the right. That's a reverse little liquor. Yeah, that's great catch. Thank you. The, and in that question number 46, I mean, that's just an awkward question. Do you have any comments on your response? I mean, I don't get that. I mean, it's not a helpful question. Right. Comments on your response to what, on how satisfied you are to your, like I just, I don't understand what we're going for there, but I felt like in general, in this section, I feel like we're missing some of the things that we're kind of interested in knowing. Like, if you're currently in employee housing, are you interested in downsizing or are you happy with the type of unit that you're in? Because that's one of the things that we keep talking about as you have all these people that are maybe in a four-bagged room house and they would go to a two-bedroom condo, but there's nothing out there that would work. Well, you could ask one simple question. If you're currently in a town owned or rented unit towards retirement age, would you be interested in living in a retirement community or CCRC continuing care retirement community or I don't want to say handicapped unit. It's kind of you get kind of get there. But accessible. Accessible unit. I just think it's important to know that because one of the things that we always talk about is, you know, aging in place. Well, do the people here really want that? Or is it just something that we think is important? And the only way to know is to ask these questions. I mean, I can help you with some of those questions. I mean, likewise, I think it's also important to know if you are a person that lives in, you know, deed restricted or rental units owned by the town, are you interested in upgrading yourself? Are you, do you need more space? Like, you know, if you're family foreign, you're crammed into a two bedroom? Here's how to make that question 46, you know, the comment question. Yeah, yeah. Maybe more useful. And that is to say, as we have in other questions, if you have answered dissatisfied or very dissatisfied about your housing, please explain why. Well, you could even say, I'm satisfied with my housing, but now that you ask me a question, if I want to move to more accessible units, I'd probably check yours. I mean, some people might feel fine, but if an opportunity came up to have a house versus a condo and you have three kids, maybe you would want to do that. Likewise, you might want to downsize. I just think those are some of the questions we're constantly asking and I don't feel like that's being answered in what's here right now. Upsizing is kind of built into the system. So in other words, when you have a larger family, we started in a two bedroom when you have three kids now. You know, you start off as a couple of the two bedroom. Now you've got three kids. Ups sizing works. It happens naturally under our system. It's the downsizing that doesn't work. You're finished with the family part and it's just the two of you and you're in this larger house or larger condo and because you've paid it off through your work life, you can't go down to something more size suitable for you because you have acid the very acid you're living here is too large to qualify for a smaller acid. I see you're saying. So don't you think these are you're getting pretty deep once again we're gonna try to keep the survey kind of. Wait but not everyone is gonna is gonna be answering these questions. No I know it's important. I realize that you're right. Not everybody gets every every question I mean I think these are this is like one of the most important questions we could possibly ask I think housing housing needs to lead off Yes, you know the whole thing is when we start to get into individual departments You've got the right idea John.. The question has to deal with downsizing an asset base. When you're overcrowded in a middle size, that's high efficient use of that. The number of people in that unit, when you have a retired couple, or a retired single in a three, four bedroom unit, but they can't move down and stay in the village because they can't reach out to the free market. They probably don't want to at that point, or maybe they do, but the gap is so big now. But if you provide a mechanism to move into still a modern housing unit, it is more size appropriate to them, then you can put someone else in that bigger unit that needs it at that stage of their life and rather than that unit being underutilized, it becomes a fish. So those questions, the opportunity arose for you to downsize for the town to create. Some people just personally don't want to. They've achieved that and they don't want to. Others might be tired of the upkeep or whatever that goes along. Yeah, that whole mechanism to downsize. Can we create that flexibility in our housing? It really goes to the net worth question because if you're... Yeah, that's at the end of the day. It's net worth and desire to move. Yeah. I mean, the thing is is that in that first opener question, when you say which best describes you and you're answering it okay so if you don't live in the village or Your guest that's gonna knock you out and then the people that are either part-time residents or year-round residents living employee housing or free market Then go right into the housing questions and you just knock it out because anyone who's a guest is not even going to see those housing questions because there's nothing to do with them. I just think it's so important and I think if we really want to know the answers to some of these questions, I mean I care about communication and staff and all these things but really I think we need to know the answer to those specific questions about housing. And if someone's only going to give this survey three or eight to five minutes. Give us a shot. Well, that's great feedback. And we can, I know we did surveys. We're going to, when Rodeo was coming online. And we got a lot of demand that way. We can go back and look at those surveys and see what kind of questions were asked then. And work those in here. That's great feedback. Okay, and what about the ones you want to add? Let's talk about marijuana next. Let's find this here at the mayor's say that. Yeah, because I think I'd love to get feedback out of worth considering it here at council. And you know, if the community survey says... I don't know that personally, I think that it would be more appropriate to have public presentations and public information sharing before we ask people what their opinions are and because we're going to get opinions that are biased but just based on whatever it is anybody knows at the moment. So let's go now in July by then we're going to have our, I guess, a World Heritage community forums, community sessions on marijuana. We're still in the education. Oh, okay. Yeah, we haven't even started. I mean, I feel like it's a very like, the vice of question. And I feel like people get all up in arms and this might not be the right form to ask in it. I totally agree, but I'm just putting it out there. If you want to know the answer before we even spend time educating all of us. I think regardless of the ultimate answer, if we have an opportunity to educate ourselves and educate others in the village, we should take it. I'm fine with it. But to me, it becomes a philosophical issue, even as I was engaged in several conversations as we can about this topic. So let's come up here to counsel. And one of the questions I probed was, is it more important of, no, then I would start asking questions about what is important to you about you living here in Snowmass and And what is special about Snowmass? And people start talking about the friendly nature of our community, children friendly. Okay, having said that, let's talk about why would we be interested in looking at having such a place here in Snowmass? If you could have a shop or somebody wanted to do that, it was well the town needed revenue. Would you put revenue over, so it became a values question. Values question on community characteristics and child friendly and focused on children and family or money. And then it was an interesting conversation. That's the reason why tonight I'm raising that because I was trying to tease with that concept within a community survey. But I hear my colleagues and I think it's... No, I understand that point. That's where I was going with it. But I mean, but I don't know if you can get there from a community survey. Somebody's going to sit down for five minutes and whip right through it and not really think through their answers. I might be more nuanced than you available to you premature is what we're saying. I don't know. You know, if you get there after your discussion, there will be the ultimate question and there will be a ballot question. I don't even go once. This is nothing new with the survey, but on the marijuana issue, I think our next meeting is next month's update on licenses. I think one of the questions that I might be asking is, is there really an advocate to move this thing forward because if there's not, is there's no one pushing to get it done on the council that is, they might not be worth your energy because it's gonna take a lot of effort. If it takes a lot of heavy lifting. And if someone says, you know what, it's not a, let's just go ahead and, the goal was to have a. And if the answer is, hey, you know what, there's not a lot of support, urgency, whatever it is. Let's just go ahead and put this on the back burner and say no, the more trams over and it's just to know and tell somebody who wants to provide that otherwise. One of the questions would be to, when you talk about what revenue as opposed to ideals that we want to stand for, what revenue would the town be turning down to uphold its ideals? It's sales tax. I know, but how approximately how much is what I mean? In value. It's whatever the community would vote for you. I was talking to a former mayor of one of the community that does have mayoral wanna shop over the weekend that was here for Heritage Fire. And you know who I'm talking about. They generate about $8,000 a month. $8,000 a month. I've been told that they can't share numbers. It's because it's private for business. But by the insummit county those the managers and some account. No, so it's about equivalent to a Denny's What a Denny's generates I mean and that's a ballpark Did you get to imagine what a Denny's might get but every every community's unique to I mean I 70 some of the I 70 drive some of those communities. And the other thing is snowmasses, seasonality is extreme. Even compared to steamboat, other places that are remote as we are, because they don't have aaspon down the street. So there's a factor there too. And so, I mean, I'm just, these are things that we see across the board in terms of what happens in snow mass. So it's really hard to take some. And I agree with you with the seasonality because I don't see it being a big value to be turning away personally as opposed to our ideals. I agree. I would strongly discourage you from making a decision to say, let's get it here for the money. We can get in that discussion in a month. There's other reasons if you want it for all sorts of reasons, but revenue generation shouldn't be that one. I tell you, for me, and we're getting a little bit off topic, but this notion of community will in our discussion the other night about the entrance to over yonder after we spend a half million dollars on a study. Talk about community will right now. I don't have the community will to really push this The marijuana issue is a large community issue when it's accessible someplace else I'm just putting myself out there on the line So we'll bring this up you didn't a month or so. I mean, again, if that's the sentiment, that's great. We can take direction from there. But for tonight's takeaway, we won't be putting any questions on the answers. Yeah, okay. What's the other one that you brought up? The comp plan. Comp plan, yeah. Oh boy. That's another hot potato. Yes. I mean, we can make it. We kind of beat the comp plan. We've kind of beat the comp plan up pretty good. I mean, we had lots of opportunity. It's going to be a tougher one because of this, the timing. This comes out in July. Yeah. And that can have a solid example. We put it out. It's a great idea. Whether we're going to be able to make it out. You mean to actually try to get a response based on the draft comp plan? That was the rough. That was the idea. We're not sure we're going to be able to execute on it. No way. I also thought there might be an opportunity if TPUDC as they draft the plan, maybe needed a particular data point to inform the draft that we might be able to get that for them. But what? We got an interesting data point from the Planning Commission a couple of weeks ago. What was that? What's a month ago now? Wasn't it? They had a Skype with the Planning Commission. That one. Let us work with Julian. Is there something that we can think is effective? We'll get it in there, but that's the topic we think. One topic that I thought we should consider was getting some information, getting some feedback on what people would expect to see in town park when it's completed. One, you know, within our strategic or with our with our strategic goals is this comment about Under community building complete town park project with a master plan design well We had those things ranked in the previous Community survey we did do that okay, probably ought to see if that's valid. We could see if it's valid because I mean, now we put this for ourselves. We put it on the front burner. Right. And we should test the validation. And then we should begin to work on it. Right. And we've got honestly, we're waiting for the comp plan to make sure that back goes through, and that's next on the agenda to get that to happen. And the poster plan influences it, you know, talks about it. But let us, I'm trying to think what the question would be, because what the poster says is, there's got to be parking, there's got to be rodeo, and there should be turf. And I might be forgetting something. But those are the three things. parking, there's got to be rodeo and there should be turf. And I might be forgetting something, but those are the three things. And then to the comp plan, they did that exercise trying to jam more in there. And if you remember, their conclusion was, they can't. It's not going to fit. It's not going to fit. And so if we go down that path, we might ask the question, hey, between more turf parking and rodeo, is that the right mix to go in the town park? What was, I mean, I didn't get a chance to look back at the 2015 summary to find that the results of that question. Yeah, and I remember that being more, actually, right when I was showing up here back in September of 14. It wasn't, I don't remember being part of the community plan, but it was a different public and collecturized where they got ranked. Yeah, it's one number one, number two, number three. Rodio was like right up there. Yeah, I mean, everything that I've seen it says, Rodio needs to be there. And then how do you know, orient and all that? Well, again, you know, this comes back to, you know, a master plan. Well, maybe this is designed and not master plan. I'm not sure but so There was all there's also have has there has been a lot of discussion about cultural and performing arts space in conjunction with the town park so is that a standalone space is that space within the rodeo that you know can be used at other times. You know how does that? Yeah the rodeo was a mold. How does that kind of fit in with this? And is that? Well the 14th survey is the one I'm pretty sure your referencing because you had just come. It was a multi-functional facility. I'm pretty sure your referencing because you had just come. It was a multi-functional facility. I'm pretty sure I saw it in the questions on 2015. Yep. Can you go back on that? The answer you're looking or the feedback that input you're looking for is support for that kind of project or what would you look, I mean, what's the fundamental of the question you're trying to ask? I'm trying to validate whether what was discussed, what was being requested to be put into town park at that time, whether it's still valid. I mean, I know poster has some stuff in it, but that I really wouldn't like to see if poster was, you know, followed along the same lines or if there was something different in there. Let me admit it, I'm looking back at the questions from 2015. And I'm not seeing it. I don't remember that, but I think it might have been a 2013 question. It was before Clint came. I know we referred to it when you were interviewed. We had, I know when I, back in September of 14, we had a number of community meetings. We did some open houses. We did some rankings at that point. I mean, I certainly remember that exercise. Were you here then? I, you had just landed. Just landed. I guess so. I saw at some place, but of course I can't find it at the moment. Well, we'll have, we'll have these guys to look for. Yeah. Anything else burning on your mind put on the community survey? How about solving the entrance task? But is that important to you? I don't think we have space for that on our survey. Well, we're talking about regional services and how we get around. I could, I could sure throw one in on Raffta. How about the airport? Raffta airport. School would get a high ranking. But it just works for you. This is like Travis said. This is the first shot of the box. Sounds like we're kind of close. When did you say it was coming back? I think I'm going to be gone when it comes. We're shooting for that first in July. But July 30. July 30 was the plan. I'll be here. A couple of hours ago. That's the last meeting. If you don't end up during it out that we might not have the Consultant here like we originally anticipated it might be the Travis Elliott show again, but we can get it close to You can get a mom. Travis does a great job. Get him on the line. Anything else? Well, two teas. Two else teas, thank you. Anything else to come before council tonight? Clant. I'm sorry. John. Anything else to come tonight before council? Can I have a question? For the people that were put on the poster board or whatever that we just approved. Did it get approved? I wasn't here. It got approved and I don't know that we've actually officially contacted. I don't think so because I saw a person and they had no idea. Right. I know what we're trying to do is I know and I don't think we've officially I know we haven't had the first meeting. Okay. I don't know where we are contacting. Well, it might be good to contact those people. I agree. Because they didn't know. Probably Rhonda hasn't send out the letter. She's out of town. I just saw her today. It's shoes. Yes, I saw it in post office. When I saw Barb, Barb was there. Any it is we know it needs to be done. And we need to get everybody up and go and get that we're up to the ground at the post office. Welcome letters were sent out. Oh, they were. Yeah. Okay. So it could be stuck in our our meal system. But the whole packet with the members list and the Guelcan medium and Resolution that all has been mailed out. Great. Okay. Any other items this evening? Quick updates. Tom? I have attended a core meeting before the EOTC meeting last week. So it was a very busy Thursday. And in citizen grant, committees has looked at several applications for grants, for core, and to my surprise, building six was on that list. And during the meeting, I had to text Clint and Travis to find out who put Building 6 on the list. Again, to our surprise, it was not done by the town. It was done by the architects, Harry Teeck's office. And at the moment, they were asking for $189,000 for and I believe core, according to the points schedule had put them down for 50,000 which is still pretty nice but there were some interesting applications on the list. There was the Aspen Police Department. City of Aspen was a little, the core staff representing City of Aspen, councilperson, they're a little upset that they had only gotten 13% of their money when town snowmess takes its, even though we don't call it ramp our fees and we keep it among ourselves We don't share it with Picking County and we are getting More than the city of Aspen is getting for building six since it's a little premature It's going to be about another 30 days before it comes back up to another meeting. It was very interesting. Things got pretty hot and heavy because the police department's building, new building has housing in the back side. And they missed their deadline. Their deadline date was a Friday. They had an RFI out. And I felt bad for them because it wasn't, it all had a comeback from the architects in Denver to get the answers to those RFIs, and they didn't get back to Monday, which was beyond the core deadline, so they lost their funds. So it was the EOTC meeting followed. So we're still waiting for some answers, Clint knows. But I thought there was a very interesting application in there from a group called Red Mountain. And they're basically taking some of the warm water from Klemwood Springs and they're using it to heat. And so we're interested. But it's a very interesting concept what they're doing. And that's basically where core stops in Klemwood. So they applied for so much and they may be awarded $10,000. And so anyway, it was very interesting and the Randy Udall Energy Grant and the citizen grant committees go through all these applications and these monies come from the remempfys. But we'll find out. The bottom line was that somebody applied for a grant, and through the town of Stomass, and town of Stomass had no idea that we were applying for a grant. I think it's wonderful. One more later. OK. One more later. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll give you a quick row app of report. The aquatic nuisance species inspection program started a Memorial Day weekend and it's been going full time. Seven days a week. pretty much sunrise this onset. I was told about a week ago that the labor to run this program is running more than it was anticipated. So the program may have to stop short of mid-October, although Mark Fuller is out beating the bushes trying to get some additional funding. And the board has not had a meeting actually to try to look at where we can raise additional funds or have a meeting on how we were going to raise the funds. Certain suggestions have been given to Mark as to where to look. But I guess I anticipate a meeting in the next few months, certainly before the end of the voting season, to sort out where we have to go, or we anticipate going with this program. If we have to cut it short, it actually would be ashamed. This would have been or would be the first year that we've been able to run inspections the entire summer. So it would provide a significant baseline from which to you, you know which to look at inspections in future years, whether they be on a part-time or a full-time basis, but it would be really nice to have one year on a full-time. So I guess I will have more information for you all when it comes out and it probably after we have our next meeting. Okay. And I know that all of us have the roundabout art dedication on your calendars. Are we just supposed to go in the middle of the roundabout? the dedication on your calendars. Are we just supposed to go in the middle of the roundabout. I believe we're going to do it not on the middle, we're going to do it on the outside on the south, west, corner, flat spot, we have some chairs in the speaker and an opportunity to say a few words. Is it going to be covered up? No So it's just like ceremony basically. It'll be very short The mayor's got some insightful words to share. I'm sure And they're gonna be any protesters. I don't think so Those snipers we gonna this is gonna be televised alright Yeah, we ought to. We ought to get, we ought to get, yeah. We ought to be on the police close circuit TV. We're broadcasting. Yeah. I think with the mayor said shortens, it's going to, it's not, it's not going to be an extended program. Is the donors, are the donors going to be there? Yes, like come into town tomorrow. That's part of the reason to get the date set as bright-lure around. It's not it's not going to be an extended program. Is the donors are the donors going to be there? Yes, like come into town tomorrow. That's part of the reason to get the date set as right lower around. There's a little bit of risk on it. It's due because it goes in on the Monday. That's in the ceremonies on the Tuesday or the Tuesday. The Tuesday goes in on Wednesday. So I mean it's a tight turnaround. So we'll cross in our fingers. Is the artist coming? Yes. I don't know. Great. It's tight turn around. When the naming gonna take place. That's you know so it'll go up and I know that's on the Salad's radar that will create a program to name it. So it'll go up as an unnamed sculpture and then we'll we have the ability to name from there. It will go up as an unnamed sculpture in the middle. We have the ability to name from there. Are we going to give away a prize for the naming? TBD. We'll give out some. I don't know. Bags. That's what I was going to say, but I stopped short of that. Stop short. Now, I don't know, Tim. Honestly, I'm sorry. I think we should give away, perhaps. Maybe some more VIP tickets to Jazz Aspeners. By the way, the flowers are looking really nice that are going in. In the round of it? Well, over. They're still planning when we came up. We were planning all afternoon and some last Friday. They're going to be planning for the next 12 days, I think. Jeez, oh, Pete. There's a lot of planning. It looks good. I mean, yeah, they're young plants, and it'll be beautiful by September. Okay, anything else? Hats off to Snowmass Tourism. It was a lot of fun this weekend. If Thursday night was great great and Saturday was splendid. I was surprised there weren't more people out on the hill Thursday night. I don't, I don't, some people said they didn't know there was a concert and I'm going. Really? Yeah. It was, I mean, it's crowded as the lots were. I felt like it was, there wasn't as many people there so I have to be more crowded and last Wednesday was a first rodeo okay anything else I'd like to make a motion to adjourn do I have a second? I'll second. I'll support. Bye. Bye. Okay. That's my cure return doll.