We've got a nice memo about all the different licenses written by John Dresser. Oh, John Dresser, thank you very much. So do you want to talk about this? Or do you want to talk about it? Yeah, we do want to talk about it. And let's set the history for the listening public. So John, since the memo came from you, do you want to give us a background here? Sure. In November of 2012, Colorado voters passed amendment 64 to the state constitution that provided for legal, legally possess and consume marijuana without a medical need and for retail marijuana to be taxed in license similar to alcohol. Federal law continues to make possession of marijuana labels. And as a result of the amendment 64 to the state constitution, that amendment gave local communities the ability to opt out past moratorium to whatever they wanted in acting their local local regulations. Snowmass originally passed the first moratorium in October of 2014 and there was a lot of uncertainty about how the administration was going to handle it and then there was concern about the new administration. So that moratorium ran until March 15th of this year and at that time council decided to extend that and as part of that extension you ask you being the body. The council asked for education. So we've done a couple of work sessions discussing marijuana and the topic you wanted to take up. Tonight was licensing. And you should know that this is a very fluid field. They pretty much change regularly. They'll be new changes next month. So it's in a constant state of flux, but I think that at the state level at least they're getting things in order so that it will go forward with clarity. So I guess we'll start and just say that there are two types of marijuana, medical marijuana, retail marijuana. Medical marijuana is not taxed the way retail is and with medical you do need a prescription to be able to do that. So each different type of marijuana has four licenses that are available. Those are summarized in the memo. And then there's also, and the qualifications are in the memo. And then there are also what are called occupational licenses. So they have a key employee, which is someone that's more important to the business and a support employee who's less, but everyone has to be licensed. Then there are the retail marijuana establishment operator. That's an entity that holds a license and all they do is manage shops. They don't own anything in it, but they manage shops. And there's retail marijuana transporter. There's also a medical marijuana business operator and medical marijuana transporter. I included statements, they're not exactly definitions, but statements of what those licenses allow the people or the entities that hold those licenses, how what they can do with those licenses. So that's the state licensing scheme. And I left it at that rather than go into local licensing because that can be all over the board and it can take the form of a lot of things that we've already discussed as in time, place, and manner restrictions. So think zoning hours, locations, those kinds of things. So that's basically it. I don't know what more you want to know about licensing, but I'm here to answer any questions you might have. You said there is a change coming this next month. Is that within the licensing? The reading tax at the state level. It's going from 10 to 15%. And relative to the tax in the past, it was to go towards the pool money was to education, correct? But that's also very restrictive. It is, but it also runs the medical, it's paying for all the regulations. But you know, I can realize you're going to get into taxing the first question. So I just... I could have brought you the statistics about how much has been generated each year and how much is in the budget, the governor's budget for next year. But the number that it's interesting, it doesn't all go to education. Every little department has a little bit of a state department, has a little bit of a claw into this because, you know, at the agriculture department, they have to regulate the grows and it's, so there's, but it's about $100 million for 20, 80. John, you mentioned the medical and retail or tax differently. Yes. OK, so on the medical, what is the difference between the medical and the reader? There is no state tax on medical. So all the plants, all the products have to be labeled one way or the other. They have, you know, the red warning labels that you see all dangerous products, sometimes they're in black, but they have different insignias. So one thing. So is there been any surveys done in regards to if a retail shop was open and how much they were selling on the retail and how much they were selling on the medical? No, it's broken down because it's retail and medical, so there's not. Well, the reason I'm asking is because when people start thinking about how much possible funds we might be missing out on taxes, how many people would be using that if we had a shop open in Snowmass Village, how many people would be using it on the medical side, open and snowmatch village, how many people would be using it on the medical side and we wouldn't be able to get the taxes anyway. You would, so for- For the local tax. There's, John's talking about state tax. Yes. If the community wanted to put a local sales tax on it, both medical and- Okay, so that would be okay to tax the medical side then. Correct. Correct. Okay. This is a public considerable opportunity for comment versus not allowed. I'm sorry. Normally, there are opportunities to ask questions and if they want to, they can open it up. But this is just their chance to learn lots of different things. Who's going to ask is I am a business and I'm happy to describe more colorfully. You have to be at the kiss, right? I'll call you when we get there. We're just in doing the basics right now. Did that answer you? I'll answer my question. Thank you. In terms of retail cultivation, if I, there are all kinds of different marijuana's and all different purposes, particularly as we've seen with some kids, epileptic kids. I'm going to assume and those are very specialized programs. I'm trying to figure out which of these it would fit under, probably retail marijuana testing facility as well as cultivation. And I'll ask you to minute on this one. Do you happen to know that those specialized? Yeah, cultivation is only for grow operations and testing facility is that performs testing and research on marijuana. And is it also a grow facility as well? And is it also a grow facility as well? No. It's unclear if they were going to test something, but it's really they would get that from a cultivation and test it. That's a facility. And you don't have to license all or any. In other words, you can pick and choose what you have in your community. Some places don't allow medical, they only do retail. Some places only do retail stores, so they don't allow manufacturing, cultivation, or testing facilities in their community. Okay, so, but let me ask you this. If I were a private residence here in Snowmass, can I grow plants in my home? Yes. That's what I thought. Ten? I think it's 12 now. Okay. But John, does that have anything to do with whether or not the town allows a retail or medical? No. Okay. I'm just curious about that because we're all aware of some folks that have it growing in their home. Yep. And there are rules for that at the state level. But that's, I mean, we came here tonight to discuss licensing. You don't have to be licensing. Both your questions have been taxed. Well, I was going to ask that, it has to be licensed in the home. No, no. It, you can have time, place, and manner, which we talked about. So basically, it has to be a secure room. And then you can put on manner. So in other words, one of the big things there is odor. Can't have an odor that penetrates. They just, they cut it back just this session. It used to be up to 99 plants for a single grow. If you had caregivers assigned because they have to be, plants have to be assigned to patients in medical and home. They've limited that amount of 12. But understand, 12 plants could fill this room. Okay, questions? The only other thing I would add to what John suggested just the history of the background of what the council stated goal was you know the moratorium was in place again until She's not gonna screw it up before the next election. Yeah Yeah, October 31st 2018. Thank you And so the really what you guys are working towards is a decision on, at least what I understood the direction to be was, instead of having a moratorium which is temporary, let's make a permanent, a more permanent decision, whether to allow or not allow. And that's really kind of, I think where you guys are trying to get to is that kind of benchmark. And if you say not allow, then it's a prohibition and it's a simple legislation at that point. If you say allow, then we go down a path of far greater complexity of time, place, man, and all those types of visions that John's talking about. So I think at some point, early in the discussion, hopefully, you guys can kind of get enough information to make that first critical decision. And then if you go down the allow path path then there's going to be a lot more detailed necessary. And if there's not a lot of passion behind it then you might get to say you know what never mind and let somebody else or let a different council with more passion behind it take it forward. And that's kind of the political decision that I guess I would expect you would get there before that October 31st timeline. Well, there is one thing I'm particularly interested in. The licensing really does help, and very informative. I'm more where my brain goes to is what has been the experience of other jurisdictions, mountain resorts, whether it be Breckenridge or Keystone or any of those Aspen. I know there's been some sessions at CML. What have you? It might be interesting to get some of their perspectives as well. There are lessons learned. What would you do? That could be the next educational session, but you didn't really ask for that this time. I know. I don't really want to give it to you off the cuff. No, I don't want you to give us, because that should be kind of a written. I don't know what you guys are interested in. You have questions on the licensing? When I look at the licensing, for me, it's not so much a question about the licensing, but what would be the most appropriate of these potential opportunities, what would be the most appropriate opportunities for the community? I guess I'm not totally clear on medical marijuana and who that applies to and what that market is compared to the retail market. You want to talk to us? I mean, I can do it from my perspective. My background is a nurse, but come on up. You see it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Medical versus recreational. Medical versus recreational. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Dan Sullivan, I own the green joint. We have two medical marijuana dispensaries, two recreational retail dispensaries. Essentially from a plant perspective, they're exactly the same. And most of the edibles and things that you might get as derivatives from that medical and retail the same. They are regulated and they're taxed differently. So the regulatory schemes at the state level that says, we're going to do this and this is how you do it. And most jurisdictions that allow pretty much have done all of that and they may have some additional restriction on it. So the state as an example, operating hours is 8 AM to midnight, but the local jurisdiction may say 9 AM to 9 PMs enough. So you have additional, you can cap it only two or four. Just as background. So it really becomes, if I am a medical patient, I've gone to a physician that has written a referral that allows me then to submit to CDPHE to get my medical marijuana card. That's renewed on an annual basis. I go into a shop. I have the ability, once I show my valid card in ID, to purchase within that. It is taxed just like anything else would be taxed at the whatever the local state in license, and Glenwood Springs, it's 8.6% where you're buying a six back a Coke, a cola, or a pair of jeans. It's all taxed the same. Retail or recreational has additional taxation on it. It just went as a, Mr. Dresser alluded to from 10% to 15, but they actually took back the 2.9, so it's really about 12.1%. As far as what other jurisdictions have done on the local basis, in addition to that, Glenwood has recently passed and some other municipalities, and I'd be happy to provide Clint, to your office, or others. Some of the state statistics on what organizations have done, what and what they charge. It's not unusual to see a zero to 5% at additional local taxation on retail or recreational marijuana. So it can be a source of funding. My experience is that most mountain communities that are in the resort ski business, pretty much all of them have some form of retail recreational in place with the exception of veil. You have to go to Edwards Array von in that particular case. Just some additional clarification. Colorado did $1.3 billion in sales last year, and marijuana as a whole. There was about 200 million of that. It was generate tax generated. The state has certain standards that they take the first 40 million in supply to school construction. The other portion of that, they have some flexibility. It goes in a general fund. We've seen other local communities with the additional taxation that they receive decide to allocate up to 50% of that or some number for local education. Let's keep this out of kids hands. Let's provide maybe some mental health services and things of that nature. So these are the types of things that are being worked on. The other up to 50% or can be 100%. Carvingdale took all 100% to 100,000 and their money's that they got and devoted towards the school system. So the local jurisdiction has full control over how to spend that, if you will. I also have the privilege of sitting on the Valley Mayor, one council, which is public safety, superintendent schools, education. And so I try to approach this from a grassroots perspective, I'm not trying to sway you one way or another, just to provide, since I'm in the trenches, if you will, so to speak, as to what we see. And hopefully that's helpful. I just a couple of other things on the testing licensing. Really what testing is about is microbial testing and potency testing. These are requirements that the state sets up that have to be accomplished. So, these are labs. These are very clinical, thousand-foot print, square-foot-foot print. I would imagine that that would not be an easy or sought-after fit here in snowmass. There are really two licenses of the four that would be looked at primarily, or three, I should say, one is to that of a store, one would be a cultivation or a grow, and the other would be a mep or a manufacturer and a few products where you take the hash wells and make the cookies and candies and things of that nature. Again, given the footprint of this particular area, I would think that from an Oscar Norse perspective, a store would be the primary sought after thing. So if you were looking, I don't see lots of grows going on up in this neck of the woods where testing facilities is probably a store. And the question then becomes, if you were to allow stores, you might want to cap them as other communities have done, whether it be two or four or whatever that number is. So that's probably from a business practicality what would be sought after more the level of interest I think. As far as just a relation, every citizen, Colorado citizen has the ability to grow six plants in their private residence. The state has now capped that at 12 for two per residence. It can have additional local jurisdiction requirements or restrictions on that, but that is the difference. And just again for clarification, a plant would be no bigger probably than this artificial thing that sits here in the corner. So, it wouldn't, 12 plants would not take up this entire room. It would take a my office. Yeah. They typically don't get that tall, it depends on what you set it up. But anyway, it would be more like 12 to 20 square feet, just point of clarification. So really from a product perspective, it's the same whether it's medical or retail. Medical has been in place for a long time. There's currently about a thousand dispensaries in the state of Colorado, about 500 medical, about 500 retailer recreational. state of Colorado, about 500 medical, about 500 retailer recreational. In the prescription does not have to come from your primary care physician. That is correct. There used to be two or three physicians that would come to the Ramada end down in Glimwood Springs, and they would write, they wrote 95% of all scripts when this first came into place. They tend to be docs that are believers in this alternative medicine. Yes. And if you add a backache, you pay 250, I think it's $250, you get a script. Yeah, something in that. 100 to 200. Yep, absolutely. So the price is significantly different to sustain these medical operations. I mean, it's, yes. You're not seeing a decline in medical. The from a again a practical pragmatic business perspective if you as Joe consumer if I'm a medical card holder I pay about half the price for a medical. And you try to get that medical. I'm only taxed eight and a half percentish. If I'm recreational or retail the street price is there's store prices almost twice and it's taxed heavier closer that 25 plus percent From a Colorado locals perspective if you truly are a If you don't mind and having a medical card then that's great Some people are worried that databases can be hacked into that there may be some adverse effect that could get them in the road if databases can be hacked into that there may be some adverse effect that could get them in the road if the CDPHE's database was infiltrated and their employer found out that they held a medical, they don't want a card and it could jeopardize their job. So some people that have legitimate medical need will still choose to buy recreationally, especially if they're not using a lot of it. There is an economic impact though if you're a pretty steady user, it doesn't take long to cost justify the $150.00, the $15.00 for the state and make buying less than half price what others are paying on the retail level. The other thing I would mention is from a demographics perspective out of stateers. And whether you like it or not, cannabis is a draw for tourism. And some folks are kind of expected, and they kind of seek it out. So you are going to have roughly a third to 50%, depending on what we see and where we operate, that are out of stateers. Where medical is strictly, you have to be a Colorado resident. And there's no reciprocal relationship between the state of Arizona medical Mark Hardholder where a medical is strictly, you have to be a Colorado resident. And there's no reciprocal relationship between, you know, the state of Arizona medical mark hardholder and a state of Colorado medical call holder, they are separate and distinct. So from a practice, I would say the reality is from a tax perspective in the western slope. About 20% will be your medical opportunity and about 80% is the retail rack. That's the difference from a business perspective overall. What we see. And I'm not sure I followed one thing you said. If is a holder of a medical, Colorado medical license, is it reciprocal in another state that allows medical marijuana? It is not. It is separate very few states. I think Montana and New Mexico have something, but we don't, I'm not currently aware of any reciprocal medical, marijuana patient card holder reciprocal from any other states. So if they were the practical thing as I'm visiting from Phoenix, I'm going to go into a rec or retail store while I'm here visiting Colorado in byproduct. Because your physicians that are licensed in Colorado, their medical degree cannot allow them to be seen as a provider of the patient in a different state. So that's kind of the core of that issue. And you have to be a Colorado resident. Yes. For a medical. You have to be able to prove your residency did get that. So no reciprocity there. And you also said that local taxes can go to the general fund? Is that right? Totally up to the jurisdiction. So whatever your normal stuff gets played, you know, medically, if you will. But when you get into RAC, not that you couldn't do this on medical, but I haven't seen any jurisdiction tax medical anymore. That's probably not the politically's move that most jurisdictions decide to go. However, rec is a different, or retails a different thing. So you absolutely define if you're adding how that you can take. So the state is going to give of that 15 was 10% now 15% 1.5% of that does come back. The state gives that back to the local jurisdiction. However, the local jurisdiction which is used that is their choice. One and a half percent. Yes. 15% of the taxed amount which here to four has been 10% so it's 1.5. Now that it's going up to 15 but they're minusing the 2.9, I'm sorry that this will be confusing. It's really 12.1 so it'll be 15% of the 12.1 or 1.8% tax. That will come back to the local jurisdiction. But if you wish to have an additional tax on that, that the local jurisdiction does, then you guys totally decide if 100% of that's for kids or schools, resource officers, however you'd like to use, or 50% for general funding or whatever you wish to do. So then under the circumstances that it's still a federal law, against, it's still legal in federal law, and there's a big cash situation going on, correct? And people cannot use credit cards, is that right? That's a great question. The banking congress actually allowed an apartment of treasury a couple years ago said, banks will allow you to do business with those that are in cannabis business. However, banks, and remember bankers are the most conservative folks out there, right? It's your job to be inside the kimono of that business, and if they do something wrong, you risk putting your charter, your FDIC, to a $50,000 per account coverage, being pulled. Most banks in the beginning said, sorry, that's too risky. We're not used to being inside of our customers' business like that and they declined. There have been a few regional banks in this state and others that have said we're going to invite the FDIC auditor in every quarter and we will allow banking but we have to see copies of your licenses, we have to visit your facilities. They really have to kind of get inside our business if you will. We're actually fortunate enough to have that kind of relationship and have had for a couple of years. So the second half of the question that I have is, are we opening the door to more possible stealing and burglary and everything along that line, people knowing that there's going to be a cash business going on in that retail store? So people typically, they're ATMs and so they may use their debit card to get cash in the store. So people typically there are ATMs and so they may use their debit card to get cash in the store. Yes, it is a cash intensive business, not unlike a liquor store. A liquor store you can swipe your credit card not just your debit card. So in the case of a marijuana store you'd probably only be using a debit card. But it is a cash intensive business. We have a guard to show up at our facilities and take our safe stuff and all that kind of thing. So I will tell you that in the almost eight years, we've been in the business, we've been fortunate, we've never had that kind of situation occur. And across the industry, it's pretty low. You'll see someone in the front range in the downtown Denver core, federal, coal facts, things of that. But not in our better less crime intensive neck of the woods if you will. So you have to pay your employees by product everything in cash. We actually again we have banking account relationships so Guardic shows up takes it to centralize all system we have a normal banking relationship we just have to constantly prove to our bank that we're compliant and within the rules. And there are other, there's probably five or six institutions in the state that do that today. The big guys, B of A, Wells Fargo, are eyeballing this and they're starting in certain states to jump into it. But instead of a $3 or $30 monthly banking fee, it's $3,000 or $5,000 a month, because it requires a lot of oversight. But banking is moving towards this industry as we're trying to go. We won't see a full because when you use a credit card you're actually going interest state commerce versus a debit card is within the state so the kind of boundaries are different versus crossing state when you cross state and on your federal and so there's hold back from that. But banking is available and bankers are moving towards it. And the biggest difference is it's just not FDI. Seeing sure. Until if Congress, if and when Congress decides at the federal level that to change some of these rules, treat cannabis like alcohol or remove it from a schedule one, the DE list under schedule three, these things will remove things which will then immediately open additional banking capability. or remove it from a schedule one, a DE list under a schedule three. These things will remove things which will then immediately open additional banking capability. But until Congress, the federal level does that word stand off, which is the federal government has a position, the state has a position, states rights, they're on conflict. And until we get some, I will tell you right now that the Department of Justice, there's a, every year in the omnivus spinning belt, the federal level, there's a particular clause in there that says that the DOJ cannot prosecute businesses that are in states that have medical marijuana laws where those businesses are complying with those laws. So that's really kept the Jeff sessions of this world away from being able to come directly after this industry. But it is not permanent until Congress makes change, so it's a reopt every year. It has been for less than three years. Hopefully that's helpful. This is all very helpful. I think one thing that is probably interesting to this community because we have a lot of people who are aging. We see a lot of people using a lot of ibuprofen and Tylenol, CBD seems to be a much better alternative. Can you talk to us just a little bit about that and your experience with that? Absolutely. First of all, our median age of consumer, whether it be medical or retail, is over 40 years old. So it's not like all the 19-year-olds are clamoring. By the way, this is a 21-plus if it's a retail store. But there is folks, and their bodies are starting to break down, and they do see something. CBD is one of a cannabinoid, which is one of the byproducts of this plant. One that does not provide any euphoric buzz high, if you will, it has an anti-inflammatory and it has medical advantages. You hear about the autism for kids and epileptic seizures, reductions, and all those types of things, which are very, very real. As you start to add THC, which is the hallucinogenic component, if you will. You do start to see some of this, but there's gradations of it where you can do a one-for-one of CBD and THC. And because of the THC, you get a better effect. Medically still very low hallucinogenic or high, but you get a much different body reaction to it. It's actually more efficacy increases. So I would say that we, Charlotte's Web was kind of the original poster child, if you will, for CBD that came out about four or five years ago, particularly helping small children with epileptic seizures and autism. Since then, others, other strains and variants have been introduced, and they continue. Now you can actually grow hemp, again, not something I think snowmath needs to be worried about, but hemp actually has a CBD component in it, which is the cousin, if you will, to cannabis or marijuana. But it doesn't have any in the THC. So that you can actually start to buy a CBD at Costco and things of it. This world is really kind of coming back in a big way. But again, there are very gradations of taking some CBD and some THC in the right mix, whether it be a tincture or a cookie or something, a drink that allows you to Medicaid in some fashion. Dosing has come a long way. It's still not perfect. It's not like a pharmacological where you get 10 milligrams of something in this pill. But they are, the state requires scoring in chocolates and things that are 100 milligrams doses. So everything on the retail recreational side is all packaged in single unit increments of 10 milligrams or hundreds that are scored. All of them have that THC labeling, which is a diamond with an exclamation THC. If it's medical, it also has an inline. But these are things to try to make sure that if a kid sees a cookie or a parent sees a cookie, you know if this cookie is going to have this brownie or this whatever, has something in it. But it continues to evolve. I hope I've provided some insight for you on that. Yeah, very helpful. Thank you. It appears that the science of this has come a long ways. It is. It is, and it has, and it's so much better than it was eight years ago, and the good news is that the federal government is now actually allowing, instead of just the one university in Mississippi that grew 30 plants for 50 years or whatever, I'll actually allow it in a lot of studies to come in, so more and more is going to be coming forward. What type of education does somebody wants to work at a retail shop? How do they get this education? Is it somebody like yourself, the manager, or the owner, or provider? What kind of training is involved? Great question. So in today's, I'm going to go back to the late 30s, or the 30s when prohibition was in place. There were gen stills. Product was still being made out there and taken on the back roads, if you will. The same thing happened in cannabis. So 10 years ago it was very much an underground. At this point it is not. It is folks have been around it. They've just tested it. They've tried it. They understand it. But there's actual, there's some quasi-universities out there that give kind of the 101 and the 201 kind of basic education. We start on the easier side in our business would be the retail or the recreational side from a store perspective because most folks aren't coming saying I have this thing that happens to my knee or my lower back and how do I treat that. That tends to be, so we actually will start newer folks on the wreck side. They're just, they're wanting to enjoy the get the high from it just like that some folks like Abir, some like Glacier Wines, some like a couple of pop-up joints or a piece of candy bar. The difference is if you start to get into it, there are books, there are references, and we do a lot of buddinging and ups, so we understand what certain, there are two, I should have stepped back first. There's two primary areas of the plant, Sativa and Indika. Indika, think of Indika, it is the more dude, you know, relaxed, Brad Pitt, you know, totally just kind of chilling ready to fall asleep. That's an Indika strain. You have Sativa which is almost more like a coffee kind of, okay, I'm going to clean the garage, I'm going to go on that hike, I'm going to do that, you know, it's just much more upy, it's a much more busy. If you've ever had cannabis and you've got kind of paranoid, you probably have a cystic steve, because it does kind of work the brain a little bit more. Those within them have certain qualities and terpenes and even cannabinoids based on the strain. So we carry 40 different strains of product, if you will. And many of them are hybrid. They've been up in cross-bred. They've started hundreds of years ago. It was land strain. Nature created them. But man came in and started cross-creating. So we know that certain strains have certain benefits. So it's not unusual to see in a store medical or recreational that the nervous system reacts better to these types of strains or these types of compounds if you will within those strains. Where these conditions they react better to this. Some of these are topical. There's no ingestion at all. It is simply a SAV or a cream that puts on a arthritis situation and folks get relief. So there are a series of things based on the condition you have that have been done. I wouldn't call it Harvard Medical Review Level, but definitely directionally helps folks and folks will come back and tell you. And each person, as we know, their metabolism is different, their bodies are different, so they'll react differently. But there's kind of a general path, if you will, yes. And you're experiencing Colorado. Are there things that are being done better in other states that Colorado could follow? I asked the question because when I was in Oregon, I asked them and they said they're basically modeling their program after Colorado. A great question and they're correct. Colorado truly leads the nation. I can't say that Colorado did never stop its toll in finding its way. Clearly our rules are more stringent. The oversight is much more intense. California is a disaster. They're going to start to get their act together. But Colorado clearly leads the nation in really setting from seed to sale and understanding in the MED, the marijuana enforcement division, which is the agency underneath the Department of Rev. that oversees us licensees. Really does an outstanding job. Sometimes too much of an outstanding job so that my business might say, but they've really great oversight and the state has done a lot of heavy lifting here. So the majority of municipalities that I see and we work with have it over. They'll focus more on as far as additional oversight. It's more about hours of operation and cap yes or no. And if yes, how many and things of that nature. But really Colorado clearly leads the nation. I we're actually a licensee down in Arizona as well. And it's much more great area, much more loophole. Colorado has nailed it. They really have done a great job here. I'm proud to have been involved. Issues that you're seeing at your stores where you say, geez, you know, this is really bogging down our business. Or if snowmess were to adopt a Particular type of license we would say we better be really careful of this Six eight years ago there were folks that got in this business that thought hey almost stone around'm a stoner, I'm gonna go make a million dollars, and they weren't really business people, and they may have cut corners or what have you. And they've, no pun intended, been weeded out, if you agree, if you will, because of the regulation and the oversight that the state has. So I would say every year, the state is implementing additional controls and cross checks and verifications. I don't see anything today that the state has left out from a local code perspective that you would have to bandate it. Six or seven years ago, yeah, there's stuff could have gone up the back door easily. The tracking and metric, sorry, that's the state hosted system, that tracks this product moves in the grow cultivation from room to room to room. And they can come in with ID tags that read the radio frequency, how many plants are in this room. And as that then gets cured, if you will, and dried, and then trimmed, and then packaged, and then transferred in a manifest. So if law enforcement is involved and there's a moving of a package from the grow to the store or another store, it's all tracked. There really is a lot of good stuff in place. So they've started with kind of a loose let's look at how alcohol is being regulated in the state and it really come down on it. So in a structural manner and structural manner and some things they overdid and they have now relaxed on, like we used to have to get bonding for or make sure we pay our taxes after five years of sit-up and spend their taxes, their licenses on the line, there's no reason to do that. So it actually been some loosening areas that there was also some unintended consequences that may have been thought of, but that were later corrected. So I think the local jurisdiction is covered well by the state regs. I guess is my short answer if you're saying all that. I don't. I would advocate, and this is where I put up my Valley Marijuana Council hat, that some of those funds, if you do allow stores, that some of those funds do go back into community effort programs, whether it's Aspen Community Foundation oriented or others that really have an opportunity to, let's make sure we're supporting our kids. I'm all about, make sure we keep this. I don't want the prescription pill in that, the 12 year old's hands. I don't want a handle of vodka and I don't want to join or I cook you related. The same rules apply. It's common sense treated like alcohol. That's our perspective when we see it work really well. And the good news is, and there's a lot of history and I don't know if this has come up in your previous findings, but Healthy Kids Colorado, which is the measurement that does every two years, they get about 30 to 40 percent of the, I think that's the current sampling across all schools in the state from junior high and high school, and use is actually flat or slightly declined since 2012. So the good news is we haven't seen it go hog wild. The sky hasn't fallen and all kinds of things. Doesn't mean you don't need to be diligent. You absolutely have to be diligent. But it is not quite the panacea that some of the more conservative folks on the right really thought it was going to head down to so years ago. So Dan, how many shops are there in Aspen? I have no idea. I mean, there are 10 licensed. I think there's only eight operating. One could argue that's a bit overkill, I think. So I mean, just as an example, a small community like us, I think it would be a challenge for the person that would be if the moratorium was lifted. And the person that would be granted that license would probably do well, I suppose. But would there be room for a small community like this to have two shops open? I think I would argue you would want a minimum of two. They'll reason to otherwise you create them a nonply. Yeah, that's right. That's what I think your range is no less than two, no more than four and four might be the high side. I think two or three would be a high side far. You have two malls. I'm just looking. I mean, we'd almost have to be next to each other. Absolutely. You could have just an separation between them. You may not allow them on the village, the base, but there's some back over here near the Clark. And there's, you guys get to determine all of those. So are there no longer any shops at the airport business center? I don't know if there's still one at ABC or not. There was one, but I thought they moved into town, so I don't think so. I don't think so. Well, we can approve it, and the landlords can say no. Right. Well, that's the, sorry, said that. I mean, that's that's also true. Yeah. So, I mean that's that's also true. Yeah, so we're just establishing that if we were to, if we were to approve medical or recreational or any one of these other licenses, all we're doing is establishing the ability for somebody to come in and let them operate, they still have to find space and they still have to and that doesn't change. Absolutely. Well you write the laws on what work could be. Well yeah you can. Yes but but ultimately all we're doing is setting up a format and and the operator has to take that format and run with it and find the space. We don't have any limitations as to how many liquor stores we can have doing. I'm not aware of one. No. Well every time a new one comes in they have to go through a needs and neighborhood needs study. So I don't know if we've reached our limit but we haven't had very many new applications really in a long time. I'm just thinking back to when somebody wanted to open a wine store on the mall and we're upset about another liquor store. Okay, so we don't have that. Well, Dan, thank you so much. I mean, I learned a little bit. Very helpful. Excellent. Clint's got my email address, so I'd be happy to. And if a tour would ever be a value to kind of kick it and demystify a little bit, happy to both a cultivation and a store. Happy to do that. So, do you, are you, who cultivates the stuff that's down by basalt? Is that yours? That's actually Jordan Lewis, Jordan on silver peak apothecary on Cooper. Does it look like a very interesting farm? He, it's greenhouses. So the walls look like normal warehouse kind of walls, but it's a translucent ceiling. And I'm sure you followed in the press a few years back. They typically when you have green houses you utilize outside air coming in and you exhale that air back through which means the fragrance of this plant and it is fragrant can go out. They actually wound up doing what we do in our current grow which is sealing it off and you almost almost like hermetically sealed and you're utilizing your just air conditioning and cooling within that. So you treat it like an indoor versus a green house. Have you experienced anything with retail as well as like having to try and reduce the smell? Yes. So all of our stores are now stand alone, but for our rifle location for many years was in a strip mall kind of 10 units if you will. And it was an old facility, probably 70 year old building. And so the smells could kind of go up and over and top and so we had to do things within that. You try to seal it up and to use carbon filters, which you can absolutely use to help clear cleanse the air and also negative ionizers. So it can affect, so this is back to the landlord piece, we were just talking about sealing those walls up really good, making sure my air conditioning or heating HVAC, whatever is attached only for, we're not sharing my air with other adjacent neighbors, if you will. So those are the kinds of things you want to do, if you're gonna have happy neighbors and all of that. So, yeah. Again, I don't think this jurisdiction needs gross. There's plenty of other places to go out and do that, but you're right from an older perspective there. It has to be considered. Okay, any other questions? Thank you, Dan. My pleasure. Thank you very much. Thank you, Dearest Moore comes up. Okay. Do we want to continue educational series and if so what would you be interested in proceeding with? I'm interested in what other resort communities. Yeah I think that would be right. A good subject to get into next. Okay. I mean it sounds like as far as licensing goes medical probably doesn't fit with within this community. Probably not a grow operation. It's not only retail. Product manufacturing. So retail store is probably looking at. Yeah. What you'd have both the retail and the medical of course. Well, depends. You have to have separate entities and everything else. So you have two licenses. Yeah. So that may in fact, I think the salt is going through that now. I just, there was an article in the paper last week that they have one more retail license to give. And I think they may have two medical licenses to give out. And there is, I guess there were two people who were looking at a retail and one of them decided, well, maybe I'm going to go to the medical route because there's only one retail license. And they didn't want to pay the licensing fee to get in line. But that's something I guess we, if we get to this point and we need to keep in mind that we need to discuss what the process will be for licensees if it's first come for a serve or if it's going to be based on other things. I mean, it's just one of the other things that- It's a lengthy process. We have to consider. It's a lengthy process. You have to cover every step. Yeah. And let's be mindful of everything that's coming up. I mean, I'm actually trying to watch what's going on in basalt, at least through the newspaper, because it certainly, you know, we can learn from what they're going through. Yeah, and they've had some hiccups big time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. I think they'll be, if we said, OK, we're going to have two. I mean, there's going to be a lot of competition for those two, so how do we get to that? Exactly. I think we're my previous employer was set up so that you could evaluate the applications. You got to decide what about a better application, who had a better business plan, who was more reliable, all those types of things. But I mean, I still think you need to go to that first question, yes or no. And if you're going to say yes, then you can start going out the decision. And if it's no, then there's no reason to have that. But I think that's the first one you need to make purposefully and then help us out of staff so we make sure we're getting the right information you need. What I'm more interested in right now is not a decision today. Right. There's education, but the experiences of other mountain communities and some of their rules. I also find it interesting that Vail does not have any shops. Correct. So, I mean, and everybody wants to talk about the revenues and taxes that they're missing and why don't they have any. Well, that's a good reason right there. You know, they want to be Vail and just as we said we want to be snowmassened. I will throw out my own idea why they don't have it because so many of their visitors, clients, customers come from the front range. Where there's no order to opportunity. Well they come into Eagle Airport, you know, I mean there's some, yeah, there's some direct flights from every part of the No, that's too world. I see I, there's some direct flights from every part of the, no, that's to the world. I see, I don't know what their demographics are in terms of skier days. Oh, yeah. And where they come from. Oh, yeah. But anyway, I hold that thought thinking that, you know, well, they have their reasons not to defer those tax dollars and move on. So I think we have a general inclination is whatever is veil, whatever veil is doing, we should do the opposite. Well, again, I'm not trying to follow veil, but I'm just finding interesting that they refuse the tax dollars. I see it, I see this as from the snowmess perspective of being the suburb of Aspen. I see this as being a potential to reduce leakage to Aspen because it provides, it would provide an opportunity for our guests to get something here that they now go to Aspen for and they probably, when they're in Aspen, do something else. Like go to dinner or go out to the belly up or do something else that essentially becomes leakage that we are trying to capture. So, I mean, this is for down the road. I understand that. So is it money that we want to put first or the values of the government? No, no, it's not. It's not. But it is, but it's the economic vitality of Snowmass Village. If we can increase and improve the economic vitality of the village with something like this, then I think that's different than just tax dollars. Well, you've got economic vitality at what cost? Well, that's to be determined, right, before we make the decision. Yes, at what cost? Yeah. And's the question. That's the question. That's the question. That's the question. That's the question. That's the question. That's the question. That's the question. That's the question. That's the question. That's the question. Yes. At what cost? Yeah. And a community conversation. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Let's, I'm looking have the same access to the CML. We're just looking to say, hey, here's some tax rates. Here's some anecdotal stuff. Here's, I mean, is there anything in particular? Should we just kind of do maybe a, is there anything in particular looking for? There was, who was, isn't there some communities that allowed it on their main street? And then they decided they couldn't have it on the main street. And is that the stuff you guys have? There's just lots of those kind of combinations. I mean, I'd like to know what type of licenses different mountain communities are issuing in what quantities. I mean, there aren't too many places that I don't know, never mind. Just what kind of quantities, what kind of licenses, what issues they've had, maybe public safety issues that Tommy brings up. Well, there was a whole, was the revenue analysis, what was their tax rate and what was a revenue generated for the last year. I'm interested in that. Yeah. I'd like to know, yeah, comparative to see, you know, a community similar to ours and see what kind of money they bring in in a year. I'm working, but can you do a little closer to killing it? Here's the close start of the mic. Revenue kind of money, you know, here. Revenue generated and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, all the stuff. So we seem to be, you know, we, these are all great topics, but the same token. I was always under the impression we were talking. We weren't looking at the value of what we could gain financially opposed to what we thought the community wanted, but opening it up to the community seems to be what we need to do. Okay, because what us five or one is different than what the community wants. Yeah, and if you only generate $80,000 a year. What do you want to do? I mean, that's, then you get into that whole conversation. Well, then you get into the conversation. That's right. So it isn't, I'm not looking at it. I'm trying not to look at it as tax at it I'm trying not to look at it as tax dollars I'm really trying to look at it as what does it do for the community now will we know that we'll only know that we'll only know that when we have a public when we get some more education right but then have a public public hearing public hearing. Well, I think we're one step at a time. Yeah, you got to go one step at a time. We're not there. We don't even know what the experiences are. The bricks and the veils and beaver creeks. So, Clint, do you want to get that scheduled for a future work session? Oh, the next topic, yes. You can tell me when you want to do it. There you go. If you're switching topics, that is. Yes, we're ready to go. Okay. So, Clint, you want to tell us, you've got a pretty lengthy list. Sure, this is a request from you all last Monday about trying to schedule out, excuse me. Let me catch up real quick, sorry. Just to kind of do the essential work of setting schedules. What are the topics you want to be talking about? What do we need to be making happen? So that's your well informed. And then there's a couple topics on the bottom of the list that I gave you that need to happen also. I would say the top 10 or so or 12 or topics that have been brought up by council members at some point and together we've touched on some of them. I'm not sure if we've hit the depth that you've wanted. But the last four bullet points, the manager and attorney's review needs to be set up at some point. Budget review, I've pinched in a couple of proposed dates, but I need to understand format. The council wants to tackle the budget with this year. understand format that the council wants to tackle the budget with this year. We fully expect a base village PUD amendment to come through. We don't have the timing of that yet because it hasn't been submitted. But when that comes through, that's going to take some time or at least we assume it's going to take some time from the council. One that's not on here yet is we know the Planning now, is dealing with an application from the enclave. And so at some point that'll be before the council. And we can do some best guesses when that's going to show up. Aces, I heard from late Friday or is late Friday, I believe. I know the council last time asked to schedule with them and they can get their board members and executive director here on September 4th. When they can all be here for a presentation on the Building 6 proposal. So I've gone ahead and plugged that in after the packet went out to you on Thursday. And then Alyssa actually called this afternoon and said one topic she'd like to put on the agenda and didn't really, I don't know that she was too specific about timing, but just kind of a general discussion about camping and how we deal with it as a community, where we allow it, where we don't allow it, and just is it something we want to explore further? You know, she's doing it right now. She's on the RV going across the country, and so I think it's on her mind and wanting to say, are we doing it right here. I know she said she related a few experiences where she's working on the mountain of people looking to put their RV someplace. Right now we're very restrictive. We fundamentally don't allow it. But does that something we want to explore as a conversation? So that's what I've got. And when do we see the cop playing coming through? So the cop, that's thank you. I can't believe I've left that off. I was going to say it's not here. Yeah, that's terrible. I'm not sorry. The open house, we're hoping to get scheduled the last week in August, which I believe is 29th is what we're shooting for. And so the council, what we'd hope to do is give you a brief at some meeting, certainly before the open house. The open house would be an opportunity for people to comment. We expect to have other opportunities for comments, you know, online, that kind of thing. In case you can't make the one or two meetings in that last week in August. But then I would expect the council to want to discuss it further as well, just so you're up to speed on the issues before it and can offer your input. The idea is what we've got before us now is a very rough draft and we're going through it now. There will be that, we're calling it the public draft that will become out late in August for comment around, I'll just say August 29th. Comments and feedback from everybody at that point will be incorporated again. And then we hope to generate a final draft with all that input that could go through the hearing processes. We would expect that hearing processes start with the Planning Commission maybe as soon as October, but it's gonna depend on the feedback and comments we get. And then the council wouldn't see it tell, say a month after that. That's our best guesses. As the planning commission completed their review of this first draft, they started it. So, you think if I'm just trying to back up. So if this is going to be available, if the public draft is scheduled sort of the end of August, the planning commission will be finished with their August meeting. The planning commission will be finished with this first draft. Yeah. On their August meeting. It depends on how much input they want or don't want. I mean, honestly, the way we set that is we wanted to make sure that a public draft was available while a lot of public was still here. And so we wanted to get a good solid draft, the public draft out before Labor Day. And that's why we're, that's how we kind of set that time. Whether and and and and I'll honestly that draft will be far more complete and it'll be much easier for people to consider and look through than the just really rough draft we've got now and then how long that review of that public draft last? That's what we're guessing now. Don't know. But our goal was to have a good solid draft, a public draft, ready before Labor Day. So folks are around, folks are aware of it, but we can get the word out easier to people. So does the planning commission have to approve the draft before it goes to the public? Well, that's not how we're sending that up. Okay. Okay. I mean, but the code says, and John will correct me, is they need to have their comments to you, prior, you adopt the comp plan through an ordinance. They need to have their comments to you prior to first reading. We don't even have you, I mean, earliest in aggressive schedule, would be, I believe, November would be when you'd start hearing problems. So we don't have, if you will, a public session on this initial draft, right? So, if any of us have comments about this initial draft, we need to get them to you. Sometime in the next number of weeks. Or if you all wanted to, and that's fine. I just know that it's, if you've had a chance to glance through it, it's a very rough draft to put up lightly. There's a lot of work that needs to go into it. And we knew that when we did it this way. I think I've told some folks that normally we wouldn't put this rough of a draft out, but we're also keenly aware that people wanted to see every iteration of it. And so we went ahead and put this very rough draft out. If you all as a council wanted to do it and provide input, that's fine. My thought was, let the planning commission and the think tank and the staff put some effort into it so that you guys can spend your time on that public draft. But if you wanted to get your input in earlier, and that's up to you all, we could schedule that whenever you want. I don't think we need to get involved at this point. It's rough, it needs a lot of love. Mm-hmm. Okay. But if there's something that you're tied to as well, you want to make sure that it doesn't get taken out of it. Well, yeah, you've got to, just why we have to communicate with Clint. Right. I mean, Bob made a great observation to me last week. And I'm not going to say it as well as he did, but he said, you know, it almost reads like a Chamber of Commerce document. He wanted to make sure that there was a policy format to it. So then when you guys are reviewing it with the comp plan and whatnot, that policies could be drawn out or used in the decision-making. That's, you know, those are the kind of format issues that we can certainly work towards. So you also brought up the East West PUD that's for building seven and eight that we'll be looking at when it comes? Correct. So that's going to be a, we expect that they're going to have a PUD amendment submitted. We haven't seen the application so we're just guessing but we expect it will be significant and so they would likely have to go through the planning commission, they have to get a full review, send that out to review agencies, planning commission action or consideration recommendations and then to the council. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very good question. I think that's a very things that we do know that has to happen is the architecture review. That was in the original approval. So if it's just architecture that's far less time consuming than a more expanded application. Well, it's definitely going to be more than that. Right. Because at the stage of the game they can't meet the deadlines in the agreements. So we expected it to say it's going to be. Well, I'm just saying it's not going to be as simple as the architectural review that's already provided for it. It's definitely going to be more complicated than that. It's not going to go beyond building 7 and 8, though, right? Well, I didn't, we don't expect it to. I mean, I know that some of the concepts we've buses to a place they can close down seven and make seven construction happen longer. But if we need to keep access to building seven through the escalator it happened and it's going to extend the construction program. Those are a lot of the details. I know they're trying to figure out right now that I can't sit here and say for the scheduling purposes other than to say it's going to be a thorough, they're going to have come in with a pretty big and then what we expect. Clint, two thoughts. The last time we saw the drawings for Building Six, and we were told we talked about when we had to, so to so speak make the final Approval or final changes whatever whichever way you want to look at it and I think that that time we we came to the conclusion that sometime Towards the end of August or September was the time frame for that is that still is that still accurate? Is that really the question? As I understand the yes. So this presentation on September 4th is getting down really down to the wire on any potential change to building six. That's fair. Okay. So I would, I guess I would ask my fellow Councillors to give some thought, because unless you have, because I certainly don't have an answer to this question, but to give some thought about specifically what we want to know on September 4th that would give us comfort in approving the final architectural drawings. In other words, is there anything? I want to plan. I want to see the plan. We've played around long enough with this building six. I want to say you're committed. This is when we're going to open the facility. That's where I want to get to with ACES. On the fourth? Yes. Because what I talked to them about was having them make a presentation similar to what you received in the executive session about the three, I don't know, my notes, but the institutional partner, the financial partner, and have them say, here's our approach, here's our framework. Programming concept. Here's programming, here's the things we're thinking about, here's the timeline we expect, and then the request basically of that they need, and I'm going to use the word start-up money, there's something that's probably a better term than that, but they need funds to get the program or to get the fund raising off the ground. And that's essentially the request that are making of the town. But when they hear my caveat, if you're coming to ask for money, a seed money, if you will, which we're talking about, the board must have said by now, you don't come and ask for seed money unless the projects that go, do we know the projects that go with the ACES board if we can come up with the seed money? Yes I think that's what we'll expect that's what I would expect here. That's what I'm going to say is to go if we get the seed money. And I don't know that I mean just this is minutia but I don't think they're coming to ask for money that way. I think what they're coming to say is let's form a partnership. They're willing to put a lot of the effort in and go down that frame what they talked about if the town is willing to go and provide the seed money. And I don't think they're purposely not coming with hat in hand, but they're saying here's how we think we'd execute this if the town's interested in doing it. So they would be prepared to sign an L.O.Y. Letter of intent. If we had one. And I think that's what I mean I think that's what they're going to say verbally is here's how we're going to approach this project. And the letter that you know we had before the council last time is it's less than an L.O.I. but it says we're willing to commit this much. They'll hopefully come and say we're going here's the approach we're going to take and then take it from there. But I wouldn't say, I wouldn't expect it, when I heard business plan my antenna went up, I was like, I don't think it's going to be that far. It's going to be a perfect one. It's going to be a perfect one. It's going to be a perfect one. It's going to be a perfect one. It's going to be a perfect one. But But I think it's a point that Bob's... Well, you can only court so long, huh? They don't dance well, so it weddings anymore. It depends. I knew what you meant. I think Bob's talking about the actual use of the building. And I think your point with I've got brought up before, if I remember right, was if it's not going to be an environmental center and it's going to be some kind of retail function Windows need to be different So essentially I think what we need at on September 4th is a commitment that it's a go-for-must if it's if the town's behind it Right, and I think what they're going to say is that- And is clear as term as I can think of and you know expressing it that way. And what I would, and I'm guessing so whatever, but I think if the council's comfortable to let it, there was a near packet the last time and the council can, with the modification the John wanted with the legal ease in it. But the fundamentals are the same. Then I would fully expect ACEs to say, with these fundamentals, here's what we can commit to. And here's how we're going to jump on this and make it go forward. Yeah, I think that works. I think that I for one, I'm comfortable subject to the rest of the community, inputting that they're comfortable. Oh, and the second one. Switch gears on you, pull that leg out, would you bill? That table's gonna dump on you. Sorry. I just saw something. The second question was, you would comment to us a while back that the center has an application to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to be back to the committee. I'm going to I mean, where do you see that fitting in? I haven't checked this week, but last week they still had some materials to finalize their application. So I don't know that we've considered the application complete. Okay. But when it comes through, then it'll go through the formal review process, which is, you know, almost 30 days of going out to review agencies, then it comes back in with a staff report, then it goes to planning commission. And I mean, I think I can say it's a complex proposal, and so it's gonna take some time, I'm sure that. So I don't know it'll be before the council, I can't tell you exactly. Well, I mean, I'm only thinking about it in relationship to all these other things that we've just talked about, you know, to other PUD amendments. at the same time probably at the city you know at roughly So much time close the comp plan. Yes, so that's a lot of that's a lot of stuff Yes That's a lot of stuff and you just add a marijuana and But other other topics come up so I'm not arguing that I completely agree with you We're talking about every meaning being a regular session and going four or five hours with all this to get all that I mean, I would I would imagine the centers months out for you. You think by January. I don't know. I'm just guessing but it's it's I mean It's it's gonna mean just because I know that we've got to go through our own staff and journal reviews and then because I know that we've got to go through our own staff and thermal reviews and then planning commissions, we're going to take their time, I'm sure. And then planning commissions also do in the comp plan and the review and you know, that's just, it's going to take some time to get to you, I would imagine. Clint, there was one thing that I thought about that, I guess I'd like to hear. And that is, we, Council has set up and set of goals for the next couple of years. And in the past, you've always, you've been very diligent about including these goals in various things that we get to look at. So we kind of have some focus on where it's coming from. But I would like to see what staff and you have in mind for the next year that would be along the lines of the implementation of these goals. So that we would get a little, we'd get a little more, maybe a little more notice than sometimes we've had about where staff and yourself and John think things are going in order to implement some of the goals. I mean, the easiest way for me to do that, and I'm not sure if it's gonna hit your need, is when I get to roll that into the budget process, it's kind of putting your money where your mouth is kind of thing. And I get to say that, but there's something in addition, I can do that as well. It's just, some things don't take money, so it's not in there. Right, I mean, I did think about it in terms of part of the budget process and that might be that might work for some things as you say because some things don't take money. But that's, you know, up to you where you think it how it would work. Okay. Had to work best. You have an example I'm trying to get my arms around that request. Well, an easy one's housing. Yeah, an easy one's housing. Yes, and that's the kind of my mind immediately. Yeah, an easy one is housing. How are we tackling this project kind of thing? And what's going forward, you've identified it as a priority. You know, what are the steps you're taking? And what's the timeline you should expect? Those kinds of things. Yeah, that needs to go on here too, because because we may have different perceptions about whether or not we need housing. It's a big part of the comp plan too. Yep. There's the comp plan discussion. There's the actual specifics of, you know, the project that we showed you, how many weeks back. You know, we've got a timeline that we're trying to remain with neighbors, whatever the timeline is, and then getting our P out soon for an architect, and we can certainly get you some of those details but that's an easy one for me to think about. There's a lot more out there. Okay let's look at the list and take some things off of this list. Let's getting very lengthy and let's I'm very very concerned about the amount of work that's coming this By October I mean it one instead of going from the top I mean if you'd start like I mean The budget would be a great well either there's the town of Cherrytown manager review process that we need to plug in in the budget review process are two That I know those are right up. Be done. Yep. The budget review, if you look at this, and if I remember, if I did it right, no, I'm second-guessing myself. There we go. October 9th and 16th. October 2nd, I think, we're trying to introduce it. And I'm reading my notes. But on the September 11th, we thought, okay, let's have a general discussion with you all to see if there's any things that you want to make sure it's included so as we finish our development that they're in there. Then October 2nd, we've got the introduction at a regular meeting and then I think we planned out. Hold on a second. On September 11th, last year, the fire department started their annual, and they plan on doing this annually. They're walked from the park to the top of the village. So I don't know if this work session is going to conflict with that. And I'm just giving your heads up. Yeah. All right. Because I participated last year. I think it was your heads up. Yeah. All right. Because I participated last year, I think it was great. There's a lot of people in the community. A lot of people did. And I think something to be aware of, then, for that September 11th work session. Well, understand that the date for Tuesday is September 5th. I had September 4th, so if you go up one. That's the regular meeting, but I'm saying the work session. No, I know what you're saying. I just noticed that misprint because it says Tuesday and Monday, and there's only seven between them, so it doesn't work. Oh, OK. Go on that. So there is something. You know, there's a look at my calendar here, right? Well, that's what I did, because I wanted to know if anyone. It's two to September 5th and Monday, September 11th. And for the budget discussion, I mean, not knowing what that plan is with the fire departments event. The idea was, okay, just a general discussion is there something we need to be thinking about, or hopefully we would know long before that from you all, but give that opportunity. We'd introduce on the second and then basically set up some kinds of discussions, say an hour per meeting for the next four meetings with adoption on November 6th. Last year, we kind of had this similar proposal, but then you all wanted to add a four hour afternoon. And so we did that, of course, because that's what you wanted. But it's really kind of a conversation of how do you want to tackle the budget this year with a number of one and a half hour discussions. Or do you want to kind of get in, rip the bandaid off, and do it in a day? I prefer the full day discussion, give it over with. Yeah, I guess my question is I like to do. I mean, the real meat comes out to me after the FAB does their review and we get the results of their review. Is that I find that to be very helpful in drilling down to places. I don't have my calendar right in front of me, but they'll do that review in September. And so that October 2nd, when we introduced you, it would be introduced to you with their- We'll have that review. What I don't like is, the stuff gets pushed on the agenda, and if we've got other things coming, and then you try to put one and a half budget, people lose track from meeting to meeting as to what we talked about last time, because there is some overlapping aspects of the budget. So do you want to, well, I was going to say? The meeting you're out on the October 9th. Are you gone that whole week? I am leaving on, no, I'm leaving. Let me see the second. I'm leaving on that Wednesday. Fourth? Was it the fourth? Was it the fourth? Yes. And we back the next Wednesday. Wednesday and Wednesday. Okay, okay. So if we wanted to have a longer meeting on budget, we could do it the end of that week instead of the beginning of the week. if we wanted to have a longer meeting on budget, we could do it the end of that week instead of the beginning of the week. I mean, it just, you know, why is a... In the full day? Yeah, that's a point of reference, that's all. On the Monday. Instead of doing it on Monday, you know, do it Thursday or Friday. Thursday is Raffta in a board meeting. Oh, it is Thursday. Yep, yep, Thursday is Raffta in a board meeting. Oh, it is. There's a yep. Yeah, Thursday's Raffta. You're looking more towards the third or fourth week of October. All right. Well, then that at least at the moment, we all think we're going to be here. So when you we said a half day at last year, when would you like to set that half day up? Oh let's get back over to the calendar. The week of the 16th. We're talking October. Uh-huh. Or the 23rd. Mark, I have the EOTC meeting on the 19th. On about 12 right. Yeah. Right. We were looking at the 12th. 12th I can. I got raft. Oh,. Oh you oh you have raft. Okay. Okay. 17th. 17th will work for me. That's the day after council meeting as well. It's also a continuation of the budget discussion anyway. Well, I mean, I pencil those in thinking, you might want to be talking an hour at a time and I think what the mayor is saying is that's should have banded up and do it in one shot. It's kind of up to you all. Well, maybe we should just pencil that in and for the 17th bill you around? Yeah, yeah, I'll be here. Sometimes when we're viewing the budget though, it brings up a lot of other questions. So sometimes it's nice to come back to it. And that's my only reluctance in trying to do it through it all in one. Well we could also do a follow-up. How about the third? Third of October? No, that's October. And then if in that way we can introduce it on the night of the second you can see it in the third you can go through the like thing and then you can have a couple of meetings to kind of do follow-ups with. What the third it's have to be in the afternoon I've got to be in Vail that morning. I mean it's up to you guys. That would be fine with me. What time would you be able to get back, Margie? I also it looks like there's an eight o'clock breakfast and then a 10 and then 1 p.m. Over there. So I'd get back here at 3 3.30 before It's not a good day It's too long of a day for you How about the next day? How about the fourth? Yeah, it's one Tom leaves. Oh That's right that's one Tom leaves. Oh, that's right, that's one Tom leaves. Actually driving down, I'm actually Tuesday's not a good day either because I'm driving down to Denver on Tuesday. How about Friday the 13th? Ooh, I was just kidding. He said that as I go, God. We can make it work. I'll make it work. I can see the headline. Black Friday. Should we shoot for the 13? Yep. Yeah, okay. And so, okay. Remember, when you do your budget, you only have to do a resolution so you don't need to do the absolute deadline is the end of December. So that's true. So 13th in the afternoon. You're going to tell Mary and Aunt Me Thanks. I'm in trouble for you and saying that. How about morning? Yeah, morning. Yeah, that's the morning. Okay, like a nine let's start a start of five nine to one something like a rate 30 to one nine five to nine five to nine. Sure. Do you doubt the Rick Center? Not eight fifty five. He means from five to nine. Okay. And I'll keep the budget kind of rolling. So I mean, if we can come back and we'll just keep it on there. And if the budget meetings get heavy, we can add a drop. But then we'll aim to get the majority of the discussion done on the 13th. That one. Okay. Let's see here. Aces we have on the September 4th. We've got that. Uncle over guessing. Camping is on the list. Council priorities. We want to really cover camping. Well, I'm going to put that in the list, council priorities. Do we want to really cover campings? Well, I'm going to put that in the list. You guys can schedule that wherever you want. Yeah, because that's going to have to be a public input as well. And then the only other one that's, if some time leanness is, they turn these in my review, talking like John, that's a person like he's not here. Yeah, so your reviews. Yep. What if we were to do those? What if we were to start that on on the fourth or the 18th of September? Well, their contracts are really done in July. Yeah, but we've always pushed them. Well, okay. It's loose language. We need to we've done it that way. It says as close as possible to the same. But we need to get started because I can tell you it's like pulling teeth to get everybody to respond back. Yeah. Sorry, guys. My answer. You guys to respond to us. Not you. OK. How about on the 21st of August? I mean, that doesn't look right now. That doesn't look like a big meeting. You want to meet amongst yourselves in the 21st and then? Yes. Yeah, to get started. That means that you're in the executive session. Yeah. You had to figure out the process before we figure out. In the form. OK. Public also know when you're going to talk about pot again. Is that just one person? One person. Oh. What we get to talk about, what? Pot. Oh, Marilyn. Oh. Well, we don't have it scheduled yet, but we know what the next session is going to be. So we get around to it right now. I'm going to get some of this other stuff. Because this is legal. That's pretty straightforward. I mean, I see nothing on August 14th. Other than Bob's not going to be here. That too. But if you, Mark, you get it ready for you, then you schedule it. Yes. You know, staff's got to have some time if we've got all this other stuff with comp plan and everything else. So the stuff that you're talking about this time is pretty straightforward and it's pretty well documented. Then that's, we'll be easy for staff. We're not going to have on the ground war stories so to speak, but what's actually happening. Put together. Okay. Good question. Did we? This finish up is annual reviews. Not only do we need one session, we'll need two additional ones. Right? Well, do you want to start on the 21st and then aim to deliver on September 18th? That means 21st will be the process. 21st, you guys talk amongst yourselves. What the process is going to be? What forms? In for. There appears to be a challenge getting everything put back together and do I'd review in two weeks. That's what I'm saying. If we kind of schedule there will be delivered on the 18th. Okay September. That buys you a month and we can kind of, you guys can figure out your time in between the two and all. In between me. When, did you say in September? 18. I'll be out of town. That does not work. You're gone on the 18th? Yes, I just booked two weeks away. I leave on the 16th. Are you back by the second? I will be just getting home. Yes. It'll be costly if you do it on the second. Yes, we can plan it on the second. They do the delivery. Are you here on the 18th? Yeah. I think so. What was the date for the budget review? 13th. 13th. In the morning. 9 to 1. Or until we're done. And you're saying cop plan as early as November? You'll see it. I mean, we'll have the public draft out in August and I think that's when you will usually get some overviews and then you guys have to decide your process and how you want to look at it at that point. You'll have to decide if that draft is the one you want to take the public hearing or you want to work through it and Have a different draft for your public hearing Well the presentation on ACE is on the fourth I Imagine there'll be another discussion at the following council meeting 18 that's that's my bet, my hunch. Will there be an ordinance that's required on any commitment? No, okay. And we have no idea what base fillage is coming. We expect the application soon, but the no idea part is how long the planning commission may need to look at it. That's the hard part to predict. When do they plan on starting construction on 6 and 7 next spring? 7 and 8. 6 and from what I understand, 4, 5 and 6 are all within a reasonable timeline with the expectations at 7 and 8. And I'm going to drop blank here. I can't remember. But I think they've said in meetings, they're about six months behind, because they've needed to get the design work up and done. And so I know with their trying to figure out their construction schedule and the type of construction and how the access to the public to Billion 7, so there's going to be some of those decisions. But I think they can start sooner, but it's just going to matter of, as the delivery is going to be later than November of 18 is what we expect. On 7 or 8, not 6, 5, 4. Well, I don't think we can play in much else right now. Well, I don't think we can play in much of right now. Because we're waiting on other stuff to come. No, the podium. But looking up through this list. But I mean, just to get, you know, if we can get aces cleared up, we can get the performance reviews cleared up. We get, and then we get into the budget. I mean, those are the three things that can be time consuming if we can get them. So to speak out of the way before we start on these PUDs. And comp plan. And comp plan, we will have made some progress. We have a better idea on the young slave in about 10 days. Okay. And with the housing, so we seem to have two things happening. One is there's a housing section within the comp plan or housing considerations. And then there's the, oh, just a conceptual diagram we saw for the rodeo place. That's a project. Okay. So do we have to wait to look at the rodeo place before we see the comp plan? I don't think so. I mean, you've authorized the dollars. We're moving forward of that project. The comp plan discussion is broader. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But the project, you've authorized in the budget, we're moving forward RFPs getting things out and going. And one, when do you see that beginning to come before town council? Right. There's just one thing about the rodeo place project that has me a little anxious and that is whether our need is greater for rental property or deed restricted property. And if you accept the fact that we have this very long list on rental properties and that even though we get a fairly significant number of people applying for the deed restricted property, I guess the really question in my mind is where does the money we have go the furthest? And I don't know that we've looked at it from that perspective, to be honest. We've looked it up. We've looked at a deed restricted project. What do we need? Yeah, well, we think, you know, but what do we need? All I'm saying is what do we need more? What's the biggest, you know, which is the we need? All I'm saying is what do we need more? What's the biggest, which is the biggest need? And I don't know the answer, because I don't think we've really evaluated it. I don't think we're going to know the answer to that. I mean, because our rental list is never going, it's always going to be 80 to 111 people on that list. Well, if not, if there's another 50 units. Where are you going to put those? Well, that's, but that becomes, that becomes, that becomes one of the issues that has to be resolved. But we need to just because there's property to me doesn't mean that that's what we should, that's what we should spend the money on first. Because we've got a finite amount of money. And just because the property exists. And the need is there. But you're doing it and say there's more need for rental property than there is for dealer. That's what I'm trying. And then if you had the dangerous strict, you'd pull people out of their rental units that would open up the rental pool perhaps my theory I'd have to say that's stronger than perhaps you you think so John likely highly likely if you put 24 units on about more than half will come out of our rental. I'd like to see them all come out of the rental. Well, you probably will. I mean, you have to qualify in snowmouse. I mean, those people are going to get the priority. You might see Shake out from other owner you might see him come on out fairway three and singular matters and the other ownership and the upper mountain view the you know the Teed restricted not that well you'll see him come on all those places but all it's trickle down it is trickle I I agree with that. And you know, you've got, I mean, I heard you say we've got the land, we've got the land, but you also would not use that land for multifamily at this point. I mean, the back duplex, I'm not going to include that as multifamily. I understand. You wouldn't change the essential character of that neighborhood. Right. I mean, it could be be rental but it's probably not the. What makes sense to me? If you're doing this you're talking about design development and recouping your money at sale and if you're talking about rental then you're probably going to have to go to the voters for a bond which I'm not saying that's a problem but it's very good point I hear you okay so that'll be coming through yeah me so we're starting the neighborhood meetings I think August first-ish something like that so early in August all this early in August they don't run the exact date and then we'll start getting feedback we're gonna have a number of ideas that we're going to need counsel to consider. I mean, I know one idea that's come up and just to kind of get ahead of it is I've continually heard the idea of like people want to move out of a larger house and a smaller house. This might be the chance to do that. And so do we want to incentivize that kind of lottery? We haven't done it before, that's always been you qualified to work and you know, assets of course, but maybe we add a different qualification on this one, say hey we want to change it up and let people get out of bigger units in small units. Is that something we want to explore? So those are the questions that would come back to you. We would see coming back to you as you know, because one of the things that could really challenge this council in our housing program is as you've lived longer in a single-family house and you want to downsize now because kids are gone. But your assets are greater than one of two or three bedroom single-family homes. Right. So you get this qualified. Do we have to we may have to look at the question that we bring back to you Is this something we want to explore the other the other one all throughout theirs, you know Do we want we don't have any units for purposeful or restricted to town employees is that something an idea if you want to tackle as well So I would see bringing those kind of policy issues back to you all for discussion and You know, so it's not so much the design of the house or that, but those broader issues become at you for the discussion. That's going to come this fall, right? Yeah. Yeah. OK. Those are important. It's very, very important. Is there anything on this list? Can we look at the list now? Sure, yeah. Sorry. I think we just start taking some stuff off. On the draft agenda item list? Mm-hmm. The Daily Town homes, is that handled? We haven't heard back from them, so no, it's not handled. Well, the last question, the request for the meeting is, the last time we met with them, they were going to, they were, as I recall, doing some analysis and going to formalize a request or formalize something for us to consider and that we have never seen that yet. I mean, I would like to see something from EAB on the sustainability, resiliency idea sooner than later. Well, let's just- I don't know if that needs to be a direction to them first. I'm thinking let's go item by item, daily townhomes. We haven't seen anything. So why don't we take it off the list until we see what's coming. Yep, that's okay. I'm not so sure about that. Again, I've visited this site, and I think it's something that we need to push them on to find out who's responsible for it because I've looked at this role. And this is the season for something to be done. If we push this off and know of a sudden fall, it comes up, then they're going to wait another season. I think this is an issue that we need to take a look at. They need to come before us. They do, but it's important, and I think it should stay on the list. I think it should stay on the list. Okay, so I'll leave it on the list. Just as a placeholder. OK, the next one is energy navigator. It's just a presentation. I mean, these are some of these things we just opportunity to see some of the new tools we've got up there. I mean, I'd like to see that. I think we'd need to explore other options. I'd mention to see that. I think we'd need to explore other options. I'd mention Declint. Some of these micro hydro projects are becoming much more feasible. EAB, that's Bob. Yeah, I mean, I think- The resiliency. I think that's the resiliency. It's right in our- Right in our- Does that really belong in EAB? That they're environmental environmental not financial? No, that's true. That's true. But this is the sustainability goals. I'm not sure what that meant at the time. But. Coming more green. Lower your carbon footprint. Environmental. And you've got next July 17th. I know we're going to be giving you a review of the Colorado Compact, which is the Occulte Aspen Initiative they brought in many communities. And that'll be beginning in that discussion for sure. It's a way we're trying to channel some of these energies. Has the EAB done any work that would relate to the Colorado Compact? I know they reviewed it last week, but I don't know they've done a lot of work on it yet. And really, and the compact is going to come down. I mean, if our goal is to reduce greenhouse gases, I mean, our carbon footprint. I mean, I'm going 80,000 feet here. We're going to have to take some big chunks. There's some big approaches to this thing. And whether it's a discussion with Louis Cross and say, hey, how do we buy more renewable energy? Are we willing to pay more? Those big discussions are about aluminum out there. The smaller initiatives that are getting tackled, but they're not making that dent that we probably need to be making into it. Or Bill's point of hydro, do we go and tackle that somehow? But I mean, the sustainability goals, the environmental sustainability goals that EAB were working on providing, did they relate to the town and specifically the town? Never specific for the town? Well, I mean, I think that I'd like to broaden a discussion from the town can't buy itself, reduce the levels of greenhouse gas emissions or reductions that communities are trying to reach. The town can't do it by itself. The town is going to need everyone in the town to support that and everybody to, you know, do what they can on an individual basis. And I guess I'd like to see maybe the EAB working towards what kinds of things can we do on an individual basis, what kinds of things can we recommend to the community to do on an individual basis, as well as what the town can do? Maybe we put it in with the Colorado compact and Mary, there was two concepts with EAB, because EAB does do community outreach and community sessions at times, but I don't really think it has the old people listen. Travis, you staff that committee. Yeah. And I mean, some of the initiatives you're describing are definitely within our sustainability and resiliency plan. And that's kind of what EAB focuses on. However, within that, I would say they have focused all of their time on more solid waste-related goals. So increasing our diversion rate, increasing recycling, things like that has kind of been their focus. With, especially joining the compact, that is absolutely the kinds of goals and initiatives that they will be helping us work towards. So, you know, I don't know if DAB, DAB did me in review kind of the goals of the Colorado compact and they made a recommendation that we joined. So they've looked at it, but they have not taken on any specific carbon reduction initiatives. Just as an example, Clint said, well, maybe we need to be having a conversation with Holy Cross about how we can get more renewable energy for the town. What it would cost. Well, let's expand that to let's find out as let's find out what is available for both the town and the community and advertise and tell the community what options are out there for them and what they would cost and people will, you know, decide to sign up for things or not sign up for things, but we'll be the convener, if you will, of presenting the information to the community. And I think, in this case, I think that really to look at ways to move the needle. Like the next item is pow. I don't think pow is necessarily the right environment for the town. We can probably take that off the list. But the climate reality project is something I think the AAB could probably get involved with and give us some direction on how we can better interact with that group so we can Start setting some of those goals for the community as well That's a good idea. I think that solar and renewable energy also Runs into the same line, right? Okay. Let's down down right about the town manager review. I agree with that. So they can be combined. They can be combined. The aging in place discussion. I talked with Clint about that on Friday. We'll need to follow up. Cled. Yeah. Sorry. Engaging in place could be part of our whole housing as well. People downsizing. Yeah, Mike. Yes. Yes, exactly. Yes, that exactly is. Bill, totally agree with that. Yeah, that fits in this housing strategy. Yes, this whole housing strategy is huge. Do we have any other, do we have any recommendations for updates to the town shorter? I mean, does the staff want to make any recommendations? Not at all. I mean, it's on the list. I mean, this list is the city. I know, I know. I know. I know. It's started a long time ago. Do we want to keep it there just to be refreshing our mind? We hope that the tenant never has to go through it again. Yeah, that's right. So why I'd, why work on a problem that you don't have right now? Well, yeah, because when you do have the problem, it's too late. Right. We talked about the charter just because it's keeping items in the market. Oh, OK. We don't want to keep it on. We know what's going to be. They know it needs. Yeah. OK, take it off. We're going to take off the recall. How did they do that? We seem to be doing that very much, but it's just kind of nice to see those presentations from departments. That's on their twice. Yes. The presentation by North West Cog. I don't know, not to. No. I mean, having listened to some of the board meetings, I mean, I'm not that excited that it's... And we get their updates and I get their emails. Yeah. I'm looking at our time because we had three minutes. We did an update on the town council goals. Right. That can come out. Well, you just told me 20 minutes ago, you want to go on those. You want to have out. You just told me 20 minutes ago you want to go on those you want to have something scheduled to discuss. I kind of like their reminds me to look at the town council goals. I mean we did it. We did it. Now we asked for you know some feedback from staff. Yeah, but you don't take it off the wheels. Because I okay. And you know, I would just say the list is the list. We don't have to get through them. It's just something for you to spark yourselves. When we're setting the genders, there's something you want to get going. Or spark each other. I think this is something you want to prioritize and have us. So that, I mean, if it's OK, we can keep it kind of generic like this. I'll take those couple of things off and add the couple things. My notes myself on these environmental issues is I think we need to consolidate these. Yeah, it's a huge topic. I don't know exactly what that looks like, but we can start working towards that. Okay, yeah. Okay, do y'all have anything else? Well, we skipped past Capital P.K. and Logger Quests for Group Discussions since Pat is here. I mean, maybe we should... Is there anything there? I mean... What do we expect from that discussion? This was a letter that they wrote to you back on February 1, 2016. And I had to go pull that letter out. I don't recall what the specific request was. It was the tax issue. And OK. We have the letter. I don't think it's. Yeah. There's a lot of it deals with here, the way the structure is. Yeah, there are internal structures and the bonds. Right. And well, that stuff. Well, it's not going to happen there. That's for sure. Okay. Is there any other items? Not for me. I'm going to make a motion to adjourn. But I know this is a work session. We don't have to. You just leave. Your motion always speaks volumes. So whether it's accepted or not. It's cold in here. I know. I'm cold. It's freezing out outside. I think some rain goes through. you you Thank you. you you you you you Thank you.