I'm going to go out and see my whole halo. Hey, Markey. A million-dollar question. Yeah, everybody was on the wall. It was like out like, with their glasses on and... Yeah, I just went, my parents didn't have glasses, so I went over to their house. I was saying that Ben and Eli went to Wyoming. They saw all of them in town and they were free. They said it was the most incredible thing. Did you see it coming across Twitter like one second yeah I had a doubt. I never saw my name. I marked up the whole packet. There's a culprit right there. I'm going. Where are all my notes. We're all my highlighting words. So I read good stuff this time. Hi, Bob. Hi, how are you? I'm welcome back. Let's see you. Oh. How's your checkbook, Bob? It's a mess. Absolutely. Oh, I'm okay. You said it to me this morning? It's a mess. I've been on my email all day and haven't seen it. Yeah, we were bleeding for a while. How you been Tom? Did you give the duty to the boss? How are you? Great trip, huh? Yeah, we had a lot of fun. The cruise with the kids was fabulous. Which cruise line to go with? It was a small boat cruise line called Alaska and the Dream Cruise. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I Hey, did a fabulous job. Thanks for the water, Tom. Welcome. Are we ready? We're ready. Let it rip. I'm sorry. Okay, good afternoon. This is August 21st, 2017. Welcome to everyone who is joining us for a regular session of town council. As we all know, today was a great day because we had a wonderful eclipse this morning and I hope everyone got a chance to see the eclipse and now we turn back to work in the business of the day. So with that Rhonda would you please do roll call. Butler. Here. Circus. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. The very first thing on our agenda this this evening will be a very proud moment for all of us within our community and for all of us who worked so very hard and particularly some wonderful people sitting in the audience this evening that also worked hard and gave from their heart in order that we would have the first major donation of public art in our community. This was not easy. It was not. It was not easy but you know what what always happens when you have process and a lot of process you get a great product and so this evening I am going to honor some people and we do have some proclamations and I would like to read. There's one major proclamation and then there's additional proclamations. So here we go. Proclamation of appreciation for the donation of a sculpture to the town. Whereas the town of Snowmass Village is a grateful recipient and beneficiary of the newly installed public Arts culture by artist Dale Lamper And whereas the lead donors hides in Alice and Simon and donors Bruce and Jamie Hague Dan and Michelle Webb Karen Karen and Phil Simon and I'm sorry Karen Simon and Phil and Karen Simi Cereani. Oh my gosh, these are all neighbors of mine. You think I'd know their names by now? I'll contribute a significant amounts of capital time and energy to commission the sculpture and to bring it into fruition. And where else these individuals have been pioneers? And that's underscored. There's nothing easier and nothing easy about a process that we had to make this happen. So pioneers leading the community forward and willingly initiated the donation of public art for the benefit of the community. And whereas the sculpture now stands as a welcoming monument to snowmass village and reflects the community's love for adventure, adrenaline and art. And whereas our contribution to the community extends well beyond the sculpture itself by advancing art and culture for everyone to benefit from. And whereas we cherish art and consider it to be invaluable for the community and its ability to make us think deeper, bridge cultural barriers and to say what words cannot. And whereas we hope to capture the momentum these donors have created by trailblazing the advancement of art and culture in our community. Now therefore be it proclaimed by Mark Butler Mayor of the town of Snowmass Village, Colorado. On behalf of town council and all citizens of the Snowmass Village, the disgraced donation be held in the highest appreciation in perpetuity for significance to our community. In witness thereof, I have here unto set my hand and cause a seal of the town of Snowman's Village, Colorado to be affixed this 21st day of August 2017. Marky Butler. I don't know where Sophie is. We're going to take a group picture and two seconds. Did we have a photo? We can. We've got that technology. You want to say something? Sure. It's like the children. What's more like the ass who wrote this? Looks like a congressman? No, sir. You're not a little bit of a question. Well, first of all, thank you very much for this. It's overwhelming. And I want to thank every member of the council for being patient with us and caring on. Thanks. Thank you very much much each of you. And you and two, well, there's nothing much happening here. Oh, he is. Is it one area? We can hear him. That was an on. No, but I think. Well, people at home would like to hear him too. Oh, there are his grids. Can we just take one of these? Come this way. Sure. I don't think you need three of them. No. Let's work this way now. It's no mess at work. Again, thank you all for your patience and for putting up with me. I also particularly wanted to thank the other five parties that are part of our group. And what do you want me to do? You want me to read it, no? I already read it. Oh, I have to call them all up. And we're going to take a group picture. Great. What? What do we do then? Come on, Bob. All right. You know the better. This is Karen. I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry and is why Michelle and Peter and Janet McGrass. You know, you have to get put Peter's own. So we need to read you all of these. Oh my God, we're good. Oh yes, we go. That's where I was. Just a little bit. So much for the presentation. We'll take the picture later, right? Take the picture with it. Yeah, one we take the picture with it. Also my wife Allison. Marky we need you in the middle and everybody spread out on your sides holding up there. They got you on this side and this side. There we go. Perfect. We just can something. Hey, G. Say whiskey. Say something. Smiley. It gives you two asses. One more thing. Thank you all. Thank you. Are we done? One more thing. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I want to thank the staff for the long time. Mr. Kim. Mr. Dresser. Mr. Dresser. Thank you. You know what I told you. This. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. There was a lot of fun. Sounds like a gun. You just got a CREPSEing code. I'll get to CREPSEing code. Thank you. Thank you. I do. You're a tape, but I'll do it again. Thank you, sir. There's one out there. There's one out there. There's one out there. There's one Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We will get these two in a couple days. I'm going to move into the public consent. Do I have anyone in the public who would like to come for five minute time limit? No. Okay moving on. Consent agenda. Do I have a motion for approval? So moved. Thank you Bob. Do I have a second? Second. I have a question no. Okay. Okay so we're going to pull it out. Okay what question is I'm going to pull it out. Okay, what? Question is, I'd like to, again, make a motion to move our work session on 9-11 to Tuesday. So if, in fact, the fire department is going to do their walk like they did last year that we could support it. I don't know if there's a way to find out if they're planning on it. I don't know. We could ask. I don't know if there's a way to find out if they're planning on it. I don't know. We can ask. And if they plan on it, I'd like to say move our work session until Tuesday and that way anybody here on the table would like to support. I know I would. And Alyssa would and we could support the fire department. Other than that. We need to do that in do that in a motion or I don't know. It's a motion. The directional take is if they're doing the event the meeting will move to the 12th. And if they're not we'll keep it on the other side. I'm fine with that. Yes. Everybody else playing with it? Yes. Yes. But I also wanted to pull out the winter parking agreement. Okay. This was to bring to pull out the winter parking agreement. Okay, this was the winter parking agreement. Okay, so we have three items. Let's proceed and, oh, I see Todd here. Yeah, can we pull the post grant out just to get a little more information? Yeah. It's Todd's here. Let's start with, okay, we have two items left on the consent agenda. Todd tells about it the post, let's start with okay. We have two items left on the consent. There's a lot of tells about it the post. Let's bring on up. Come on up. Yes, come on up. This is pretty cool guys. So the post grant that we received through the state is actually something that's been going on since 2005 that The ninth and the fifth judicial districts Combined to form what we refer to as the I 70 West post grant That basically accounts accounts for Summit County real Blanco County Eagle County Garfield County pickin County or Summit County, Rio Blanco County, Eagle County, Garfield County, Picking County. I think I've covered them all. I may have missed one or two in there. But any law enforcement agency within that county benefits from this grant. It's a state tax process in which that money is collected, your license plates. Roughly a dollar, I don't know the exact amount comes off your license plates and is set a dollar I don't know the exact amount comes off your license plates and is set aside for police officer training throughout the state. We received or agreed to be the financial host for this grant for the cycle of 2017-2018 And hopefully for years after this as well. Garfield County has been the financial host since the inception of the grant process and has essentially decided that it's needed to move on and allow other agencies to help bear this burden for the fifth and ninth judicial district. This grant helps us provide training and education to law enforcement officers in these two areas, free of charge. So through those monies, we are able to put on classes from everything that you probably suspect, law enforcement officers, to things that you probably have very little knowledge that we would actually perform, such as suicide prevention amongst law enforcement officers and stuff for their families as well. So it's pretty all encompassing, not just, I think the public perception of the cool stuff. It's very encompassing training at the same time. And there's also scholarship monies available through this grant to cover other stuff that we are not providing through this grant as far as classes for them to attend across the state. Wow. If I would add one quick thing is these guys, the department has provided tremendous leadership in the value and beyond in training. They've done the day-to-day training, the actual education part. This puts the town more in the lead position for the financial. So it's just a continuation of the department's leadership for trading throughout the entire state. And it's a logical step. What's before you tonight is the first reading of the ordinance. It's the financial part. The dollars are already been granted. They're already awarded. If you do, you'd approve the first reading, the second reading would come back to the next meeting and the dollars are appropriated for 17. and these guys can start the heavy lifting from there. This is the paperwork exercise to appropriate the money they've already received. I don't want to receive you. Among those lines. Okay, just to help explain what the post-grantis, thank you very, very much. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, I think it's pretty impressive. That's, we know Ms. Village is going to become the, I guess, the financial distributor of these funds. And that in itself, in my opinion, adds to the, I guess, the penache of some as village and this program. So thank you, Todd. Thank you. Is there a timeframe? Like how long you'll host? It's really up to us. And as much as I don't solely bear the burden of this. The finance department is going to be a huge key player in this as well. And it's to the point where OK, it's not our turn anymore. And we'll find the next financial house. How long did Garfield County do it? 12 years. OK. Well, that's a long time. Yeah. Yeah. That's great though. That's very proud of you guys. Thank you. OK. You really opportunity to appreciate it. Victor Parking Plan, Aliso, you had some things you wanted to talk about relative to the parking plans? Yes. I just had a couple questions, and we did get that email today. I just read it two heartbeats ago. I don't know if Clint saw that email. I was going to say I'm happy brought it up. We got an email this afternoon asking that this item be removed until the base village Metro District 2 reviewed it on their September 6th meeting. For us, I think we're OK if you wanted to defer action on this evening. The big issue for the town is we wanted to get the point forward that we're planning on having our daily rate on the number of lots of $10. This is the document where we start doing that. If the council is okay with us to continue with that promotion and you wanted to provide the Metro District further time for their evaluation. I don't know that we have too much concern one way or the other. Our goal was to just get it adopted so we can continue the promotion for that $10 rate. We can do that if you all wanted to adhere to that request to move the adoption date back. I don't know if I just got a heavier on that but not but no I mean I was just referencing that email and I didn't know if anyone ever went and seen it and then there was like a few other things that I had written down. Let's see what you've got there first. Well my first question is so it says that we're going to lose 160 spots spaces and I guess my question is how is there any way to compensate for that? Are we going to try to encourage people to take other modes of transportation? And also with LotC closing, a lot of people are used to parking in LotC. How are we going to communicate that LotC is no longer available for parking? Rather than people get all the way up to the village or you know treehouse and then realize there's no more lot see. We can, that's mostly utilized on peak holiday periods, peak weekends and mostly the Aspen Valley ski club. We'll make every effort to inform the ski club that this is a change circumstance. It's, the writing's been on the wall for a long time. It's been a luxury to have it. So we'll do everything we can to make sure that people are aware. The ski company is going back and re-huddling about their daily price rate for two creeks so that we may be trying to relocate some of that parking over to two creeks. But on these days that are big, the rodeo lot is already carrying in its excessive its capacity. And it's losing spaces. And it's lost, it's part of that one 60. Right. Right. Right. The 40 for the firehouse. That's a temporary location. Right. Right. Right. The 40 for the firehouse. That's a temporary location. Question for you. New this year though is the sign down by the intercept lot. I don't remember that being their last year. The electronic one. The electronic one. By the intercept lot. Yeah, the intercept. Let's before the welcome to snowmass sign. Yes, says everything's full. The variable message sign at the entrance to the community has been there, I don't know, since the entryway project. I thought we were talking about one on 82 before you make the turn to come into snowmass. No. It's been long desired. It was written into the burnt mountain approvals that variable message information would be instituted along Brecht Creek. I mean Highway 82, but that was resisted by Pickin County as well as C.Dott expressed some concerns about it because it would have to comply with their their sign program. Since that time, Aspen has become interested in having assigned somewhere down by Jervozdail, right, announcing that, you know, the time differentiation to park at the interseplot and drive into town. So there may be a change circumstance to institute a variable message sign but there's no funding for it at this point. We can talk about it for next year. But operationally we do our best to get the word out and on busy days it's really difficult but we use a variety of different tools to get the word out and whatever's available to us. Ski company has been doing it. You posting information on the radio and their little webpage. And also pick county alert. We'll get lots of things. Yeah, that'll pick county alert goes out when we hit the wall. And that helps locals, but not too risk. I mean, there's a variety of tools we try to utilize. But at busy days, at busy day. But we don't have a way to tell people, once say the rodeo lot is full, that they need to go to the intercept lot. We don't have a real good way short of picking county alert radio stations. Can we use that variable message sign at the entry to let people know? I mean, right at the entry to the village. Yeah, I'm sure we can. I'm sure we can. We've talked about trying to redo that. I'll make that messaging easier to input. It's a bit awkward. So how difficult would it be? We have the chain signs. You put them down, you put them up. We just had a simple sign. How much is budget wise? I mean, if we had it down there at Highway 82 in the entrance since the brush creek, just, I mean, how difficult and what are we talking here? Are we talking a couple of months ago? Well, it's not out. It's not out. You have to remember that vehicle traveling at 50 miles an hour doesn't need a 18 by 30 sign. It needs a big massive sign with four inch letters. And so to put that kind of verbiage on there, you'd be talking a fairly robust. I was referring to after they make the turn, they still have an opportunity to make the turn back. They're not going to be going 50 miles an hour before they go up the joint per hill. Or, but it's- Call it 40 then. You know what I mean? Something like that. They they're gonna be doing 20 25 miles an hour It gives them an opportunity to not drive all the way up the road Because one of one of the items that that young man the young man was referring to in his email was trying to make things Greener as far as parking goes and that would also save energy to have somebody drive all the way up the road Now they got to drive all the way back. We've got to get approval by Picking County. We can certainly look for ways to mess. This agreement isn't that. And if the direction is find ways to message that better, we can do that. And we're talking ten days a year. It's not a whole lot. We hear it, yes, we can work on it. I don't have a whole lot. I mean, we hear it, yes, we can work on it. I don't have a silver bullet, but this agreement is more of a who's enforcing what and where. Well, I know what the agreement is, but I'm just bringing the other fact up that as a list of said, we're missing all these extra parking spaces. And I get it's only 10 days year, but I mean, even on a nice Saturday, even if it's not a holiday holiday and you've lost spaces in Laudcie and you've lost spaces in town park. It's gonna look different. So I just think, you know, just as they've, you know, made all this effort with the Glowwood Bridge and telling people it's kind of like similar and the fact that you wanna make sure that people are looking for alternative ways to get to Snowmass, which means taking the bus. Right. It's free. I agree. And it drops you right where you want to go. And that's why the math was done is say, we're 160 spaces short this year. So things are going to change. I just want to make sure that there's it just, you know, that seemed pretty standard to the other agreements we've seen. I just wanted to make sure that we really emphasize that that is important so that we don't have a traffic jam and people aren't disgruntled by the time they get to the mountain. We'll do our best. Yeah, because those 10 days are going to turn into with 160 spaces, the last is going to take a second. Agreed. And that's why this whole arithmetic was done, because eyes get open and everyone realizes, you know, the left hand doesn't realize with the right hand and ski co-gettry reminds it it, the 40-gone at rodeo, and we get reminded that parcel season not there, and all the different options that are out there. And that's why that's the beauty of this document is to spark that communication, which it has. Clint, would we have money in the budget to put some kind of a full-page thing in the newspaper, the beginning of Christmas week and New Year's week, basically indicating that there are fewer spots, and therefore you should be thinking about other ways. Alternatives? I would ask our folks, I mean, yes, is a short answer. My longer answer is I think we've probably got more effective ways than a newspaper to get that message out. We've got extensive email, we've probably got more effective ways than a newspaper ad to get that message out okay I mean we've got extensive email we've got all sorts of ways to get that message out I think between us and ski co that would probably be just to remind folks it's busy parking's full already you know pay attention remind the hotel vans all that everybody that's looking for something that it's gonna be be crowded. But I think that's a message that we absolutely need to be working on. Okay. Okay. I just had two more things. On page 32, 4-4 depending on what you're looking at, it's in the middle of D1D, it's 2, not toe. It says toe Creek. And on page 33 or five in that section where it says ASE maintenance lot and then there's like the colon and then it says ASE employee it just looked funny and I didn't know if it was missing something. On five? On on page 33, at the top, where it says ASE maintenance lot, there's just a weird colon and then it says ASE employee and a semicolon and there's nothing else. I just thought maybe there was something missing from that. I didn't know what was happening. Just somehow a tab over got inserted. Okay. It should just be by the colon. Okay. There shouldn't be a colon there. Okay, it just looked like maybe there was part of a sentence that never got entered in there. And then my only other question is I feel like in the past few years I've run across a lot of people that buy that two day two days here at Snowmass or you know Aspen Snowmass two days wherever and they show up in some kind of camper vehicle, and they're always like, where do I go? And I don't think we have that anywhere. And I know there's this philosophy that we don't want people camping because you want them staying in hotels, but the bottom line is, they bought the two days, it's snowmaths, they're here for two nights, and then they're like, where do we park overnight and I'm like I don't know and I just I mean you're not supposed to park in any of these places overnight and there's also no direction saying if you show up in a camper where the best place to go is so well you know what the buttermilk parking lot I was there last just the other day it's now six dollars a day and you're allowed overnight for up to four or five nights. So I think that's the answer to that question. I don't know if that's going to be winter time though. Well, they did release that information about the changes that buttermilk parking lot. You're right, there isn't a good answer because... Even on our transportation site, there's no way that really says where you should park if you. You miss a book code? Doesn't allow for overnight parking camping in the community. So yeah, it's a challenge. We do. When we find out about them, we coordinate with the police department to identify where we're going to end up putting them if it's in the rodeo lot so everybody's aware and we don't ticket them in inadvertently after the fact so it's managed because it's a 1Z2Z case by case basis so but no there's not a good solution you lost the KOA campground in Bissol So as far as RV parking, it's pretty difficult in the valley. And there have been some sad consequences that have happened when you allowed it to park in certain lots. Who's who's who's getting the revenue from the buttermilk parking lot? I would assume the Aspen ski company when they're managing their portion of the lot they're retaining their revenue The part for the computer the pickin' and county owns on the Highway side of the lot. I'm not 100% sure. I don't know if that's asked when parking program ski company because they're making it. The portion of the lot that's up close to the bus stop is free. It's only the portion of the lot further back. That's owned by buttermilk. That's owned by Asman. That's owned by Asman's key company. Yeah Okay, I was just curious. Yeah, oh, okay Okay Any other questions? We'll look to get the corrections made and we'll wait to hear from Metro District 2 I think we should go into Metro District 3. Bring it back to the meeting following the Metro District. Anything else? No. No. Okay. Okay. And we'll work on the information pieces as well. Thank you so very much, Dave. Thank you, Bob. So we have a motion and a second on the table. All in support, say aye. And just a matter of matter if I might say. The motion is then to adopt A, B, C, and E. Everything but the parking plan. Right. Okay. Moving on to public hearings. He didn't take it. Oh, I'm sorry to devote. All his support. Hi. I'll say I'm fine. Okay, moving now we don't have a public hearing this evening. Policy legislative public hearings. I'll just go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go ahead and do the report. I'll go I will. Madam Mayor and Council, we're here tonight to present the Arts Strategic Plan or ASP, which has been worked on for the last year and a half by the sub board and staff. We are presenting this in the form of a resolution for your consideration tonight. It's resolution 36. The plan is essentially three parts. The first part of it is basically identifying the mission and the goals of the sub and their vision for the focus areas. The second part is an extensive appendix which essentially provides a history of what SOB has done to date. And appendix K is kind of a separate document which will be the working document that the SOB is intended to review and work on an update on a monthly basis as they meet on a regular schedule. So this coming year, the SABB will take on smaller projects for the most part, a lot of housekeeping kinds of things, and including such things as a new logo, a percentage for art policy for your consideration. The reinstallation of barbersorns and peaks, piece of art that we have stored currently, and they will be discussing further fundraising opportunities. The SAB is also, tonight with us is our chair, Joanne Hoke. And Joanne will talk a little bit and make a brief presentation to you regarding the policy, specifically. And we wanted to let you know a little bit that the SAB would like to be able to sponsor a sculpture naming contest in the coming months. And that was as suggested by the donor and the artist. So that would be forthcoming as well. So I also just wanted to mention to you that in brief discussions with the Swiss Partners you may recall in phase one of the base village. The sub was instrumental in selling engraved pavers with names of people and families, etc. So they've graciously offered to do that for the second phase as well. And we'll be discussing that at our next sub meeting on Thursday. So at this point, I just also wanted to mention that SAB has adopted the art strategic plan. And they wanted to make sure that Council saw that they had done that and there's also a request for funding that I'll let you in talk a little bit about as well. They recommended adoption. Recommended adoption. Yes, thank you. So with that, Council can adapt, modify or deny the resolution number 36. And of course, staff recommends that you approve it. So, okay, Joanne. Welcome. Are you gonna talk about the policy or about the strategic plan? About the art acquisition policy. Okay, so let's do the other. Let's do the other. It's the second item on your agenda. Okay. So I have tons of questions. Okay. Let me pull it up. Now I really want to talk about certain things. and I'm not going to pull up my notes because somehow my computer kind of lost some of the footing and stuff and underlining and really had the same problem of what I had worked on. But I'm really concerned about funding. I'll just jump right to it. And the reason why I bring that up and I know there's a request coming forward tonight. I said at this council table when we went through a recession and the first thing to go was public art and funding thereof. Out of that process that was very, very grim as we looked at cutting employees, grant funding, the arts funding, it really put a dagger And to those of us who are so focused on grants and public art and what have you, but it was the right decision in the spirit of trying to maintain snowmass village operations and staffing. So it was all became priorities. Having said that, at that time, the first thought I ever had was how might we be able to really truly commit this community and to public art. At that time, when I was still on council, we talked about a percentage from the developer of future developers. And that kind of died on deaf ears when we contemplated that. So what that also taught me another lesson is priorities change as council members change. So I learned that there was nothing that is a sure bet. So that was part of that lessons learned. So then I've become very intrigued without another community very close to us, we're able to move the needle during that period of time and create a community very focused with a priority on the arts. And we all know where that little community is. It's now a destination resort for that purpose. So as I think about that and what they've been able to achieve and then thinking about should the town be in the business of funding public art or having it as a priority in finding another stream that becomes far more permanent more controlled by the citizens than town government. And then I looked at that there was a statement in here something about federal grants from the arts organizations. So I'm kind of rambling here, but these are random thoughts and observations over the years and how is it how can we make visual art and all other forms of art really permanent for this town and have a steady stream of funding that invites not only local monies, but also federal and state grant opportunities that tend normally to go to 501 C3 funding organizations versus into a town. So I'm gonna ask that of you, Julian. All of those. Boom, boom, boom. All right, boom, boom. All right. Well, I would probably start with, yes, we've had some discussion about the percentage for our program. We have not developed it. We decided that that would be one of the housekeeping things that we want to take care of. First of all, typically a percent for our program can be looked at two different ways. One is that the town or the municipality agrees to set aside, let's just say, a half percent of the cost of a certain public project, usually above a certain dollar amount, that would be set aside to incorporate art or aesthetic improvements, landscaping, et cetera, as part of a project. So that's one way that's kind of the public side of it, the private side of it, which some communities have been successful in requiring is that a percentage of a project in a private sector, let's say, base village, would be obligated to provide X amount of public art within that project and that would be normally reviewed and approved as a standard if you will, if a PUD came through the process, et cetera. So that's usually when that's captured. So that's the percent for arts program and I think it's been pretty successful in a lot of Colorado communities and it certainly hasn't treated our board enough to want to put that on their list of to-dos if you will in their work program. The second part of that is your right. The National Endowment for the Arts offers a number of grants. A number of the grants fall under the our town grant system and our town is specifically required to have municipal entity involved with either a nonprofit or another organization. So you don't have to be a 501C3 to be able to apply for those grants. But usually the first thing that you have to have when you apply for those is you have to show them that you have a strategic plan. Because that's one of the first things that they want to see so they can kind of see long range, what are you going to be working on and how does this fit within your long range plan. So that's another reason why we've identified that we're going to look at grant possibilities, but we really couldn't do much of anything until we actually have an adapted plan to move that forward. Another one of our recommendations similarly is to look at the possibility of becoming an identified creative district. And identified creative district. That was another question, what's that? Through the state of Colorado and they offer support and funding at a fairly low level, but enough to do some projects. What do you need? Carbon deal? Did you have 501 C3? No, municipality. Okay. So carbon deal is a candidate district. I don't think they've been finalized usually. It's a two to three year process through the state's creative district entity. And basically they help you along to make sure you have a strategic plan. So we're a little bit ahead of the curve on that piece of it, but they'll also provide some funding for assistance on either grant writing or establishing new programs, etc. Which I think is a good opportunity for us. Does Carman-Dale have a 501-C32? They do. Yes. They kind of have two pieces and parts that got the private one, which is primarily funded by their mountain fare. Yes. And then the town actually has another program where they actually put the art for loan on the pedestals throughout the downtown, etc. So there's really two different programs that go in in Carbondale that they've been quite successful with and they also have some funding from the town as well. Yes, they do. It's a limited amount. It's a 20 grand but it's about 20 grand. It's a limited amount. It's a 20 grand, but it's still a 20 grandly helps. It certainly helps. It's a very interesting model of where they were and where they are now. No question. No question. And it's such a successful program. I'd almost like to learn a little bit more about that prior to the plan being adopted, but that's just me. I don't know about other people. And I hope you have all been to their carbon Dale art thing on a Friday night. It's pretty cool. The other side of the spectrum is the town of Breckenridge, which contributes a substantial amount to their arts program. That it's a very aggressive program in terms of performing arts, visual arts, etc. So we look to them as providing us some information when we were first studying the other communities and trying to develop our art strategic plan. So you'll see that. I believe it's on page 14. It's 57. Do you mean that grid? Funding by community things? Yes. Yeah, page 19 or 57. So that's just a quick summary. We didn't get every community, but I think it gives you a good cross-section of what other communities have done and what they've been able to implement in terms of fundraising, etc. Let me ask you this. So we just had a wonderful proclamation for the public art. There seems to be some energy amongst other people now in terms of public art. And then I heard that we're going to focus on trash can art and small art on the trails. If someone came forward and said I want to contribute another large piece, we're kind of in that acquisition policy. Yes. But where are we going to send them to sob or to the fund that's held at Alpine Bank. Because there are two 501C3s. This one talks about the Snowmass Community Foundation or fund, not the one that sits at Alpine Bank. Then that was narrow. Within the document talks about the Snowmass Community. The one with Alpine Bank is what we intended to be cited. Okay. Okay. So. Okay. But the answer, I mean, there's the approval process and the financing. What the policy talks about is there needs to be a written representation of what to expect, how it's being provided, where it should be provided. The SOBA do that. And then of course, we'd say there's a number of ways to make it, you know, to take care of the tax advantages one way or the other depending on how that donation would occur. I do remember that there was some discussion about the fund that's at Alpine. Not being able to take individual donations that weren't I think it's that weren't your mark Um, I think there's been some Let's say that needs to be explored. Yeah, it needs to be explored. Yes Okay Okay Okay. Okay. So the intent, although it's, you know, we do have a draft of the policy as part of this draft plan. The idea is that we would have, you know, more structure to how somebody would begin the discussion with the sob and moving that along. Is it practical to think that the sob would or could have discussions about a separate 501C3 5-0-1-C-3 as an adjunct to the sub and kind of working this idea of public art from two directions. Yes, actually that is in their work program in Appendix K. There's a mention about further looking into being able to establish that. At the point, it's kind of the chicken and the egg. I think the recommendation was, do we get a part-time staff person who could then just be able to pursue that because it does take a lot of time and effort to create a 501-C3. Was that what the staff person was primarily? Yeah, that's what the recommendation was. It's a little bit further down the line. But again, we kind of wanted to get our ducks and housekeeping in a row first and then be able to pursue that. My thought was if you've got, we already have two community foundations or two foundations here within the community. The thought of creating a third seems to be kind of let's figure out if the other two are potentials. And then begin to find out how if the bylaws are restrictive, then we get into restrictions on donations or restricted funds and what have you and can those be housed and but we're getting too technical but I would hope that we would explore. Just I'm confused. I guess I'm confused with two. We have the community, snow mass community foundation. And the snow mass community fund. Those are two, now 501 C3s. Right, one active and one. One kind of defunct. Not defunct. But it's still there. Yeah, they've got a- But they've never really been one to accept or promote a- Mike. agenda that promotes and encourages public donation and the whole purpose of a 501C3. It's really a holding entity. Because when you said that, we have two, I was thinking of the Anderson art ranch and the snowmass community snowmass village community fund which is the one that the town works through with the last donation and reception. What's the other community foundation is not an act of. What was it set up for? It received the remainder of the assets of the snowmass village resort association. Okay. But the problem we ran into with the fund was that those dollars had to be earmarked specifically for the sculpture. That could be their bylaws. I didn't get involved in that. That was not. I think we need to explore the articles of corporation and the bylaws. If you want to continue to utilize it, yeah, understand that if they donate to the town, it's tax deductible as well. So yeah, but a town, I mean, I get it. I just it's would be hard. I think it'd be hard to go to Bill Mance and say, $25,000 tax deductible. In your next question, it's gonna be what percentage is a town that would take off the top for administrative purposes? I mean, that would be my first question. That's a valid question for any 501c3. I'm not sure. Yeah, but the town would be the manager. It's not as suspect as a government. Right. In America. How's that the bureaucrat I haven't offended by that panel? I know. Is the application for the creative district, I mean, is that like an extensive thing? Like is like a 501c3 type application type thing? It's difficult. It's not that challenging. It is doable. It is doable, but it's not a slam dunk. No. And I've been as well. It's a considerable amount of work. And one of my directors said, I want to start that. I would say, what are you going to stop doing? Because it is not a one and done kind of opportunity. And that's why as a work plan opportunity, it's perfect. But to say it's going to happen next year would be a stretch. And that's why it's set up the way it is. I just curious. Yeah, and this is a dynamic disagreement of just what I'd love to do. It's a prioritization of this whole thing. I'd really like to know more about what is a creative district yeah yeah I mean I think it's a really interesting concept I mean I guess we can bring you more information oh what I could definitely do that the learning the learning curve you know how they're gonna get there was a presentation at CML about CCI. One of the towns that were a creative district. Yeah I went but what they did was they had lots of empty buildings, old empty buildings and they kind of created developed new development around the arts. It's called Maker Space. With their old empty buildings. And I think was Pueblo. Yeah, I think that sort of was. I do know. But we don't have any old empty buildings. Was that what Aspen did with the Red Brick? To some extent. Right, a vast, but I think the town still owns that building. Yes, it does. Is Aspen a creative district? No, it is not. Carpentels are closest one, isn't it? Yes. And then I think, I think, Christopher, you're right. Yes, Christopher, you're the candidate district. I mean, I feel like when I was reading it, it seemed like we'd be better off as a 501C3, but then after listening to this discussion and learning that there are ways for these municipalities to sort of gain some of that same funding opportunities. Right. I don't know. I mean, but I think it would be, I'd like to know more about these different options and kind of what the plan is to decide which way we're going to go. I mean, they're all laid out here, but I kind of want to know. They need more research and more work. Going more research. Yes. But that doesn't limit our interest in trying to finalize a strategic plan for the sub. It may modify your strategic plan. We fully expect that the Appendix K edition, that's how we wrote it, is that that becomes the working document. So aspects of that are absolutely going to change. And when we get to a point where we definitely need to check in with council, we would want to do that. That aspect of it, but the rest of the document itself, we wrote it specifically so that it could be adopted with the understanding that appendix K can and will change. The unpaid 58 slash 20, you talk about ways to increase the visibility of arts activities. So when you're talking about the time let's say, I mean what about the ghost snowmass site? I mean I went on it today and there was a whole section about art, but that's not even referenced in here or was that what you're talking about with the town? So I just didn't know. Yeah, actually, we've been coordinating a lot with the snowmiss tourism department under a number of different things. One of the actions in here you'll see an arts calendar that we talked about. And that's kind of one of the first steps was they now have an additional category on their website about the arts so that anybody who, for instance, is having a jazz performance or what have you, they could get it posted to that time website rather than having to go through the ASP and newspaper or what have you to find that. So that's one of the, that's kind of a baited step that we've taken. The other piece of it is the TrailArt program and the tourism department has set aside certain funds to be able to create kind of those, you know, art and unexpected places. And the SAB has been working with Rose's department closely on that and its matter-fact Rose will be at our meeting on Thursday to update us on the progress that she's been having on that because there's a particular artist that we've been very excited about working with Anderson Ranch to create a piece up on the mountain on one of the trails. So we've been trying to improve our communication and make that more of a priority in this search. I was thinking on the site. I mean I went on today and I was looking at it. So it's very good. Yeah. So do we want to go through and discuss this present, this present document or are we saying that we need more information? I personally like a little bit more information in terms of the creative district because this is all about the strategic direction of the arts program club community. And to that, we want to maximize on outcome. I would think. Well, yeah. The biggest bang for the buck. But I feel like isn't that what K is about? Well, it is. But it does talk about structure within the body of the document. The half of 1%. Again, that would be another action that we as SOB and staff would try and come up with in more detail to present to Council for your consideration. I kind of looked at this document as more of like here's the road we could go down, you know, these various different avenues and that they would then come back with more specific things on, you know, we would really like to apply to be a creative district or we wanna be a 501c3 or whatever it is. That's how I read it, but. And that's what our intention was. Okay, so it was what it was. It doesn't lock us into, this is an evolving document. Totally evolving. Well, that being the case, can I talk, can we talk a minute about the mission statement on page 13 of the 91 or 51? When I read the mission statement, I'm fine again. Okay. So the mission of SOB is to demonstrate how the arts can contribute to the unique cultural identity of Somers Village. Well, I think SOB does more than just demonstrate how arts contribute. I think this document, I think this document offers a lot more than just contributing how arts, I'm sorry, demonstrating how arts can contribute. This document is really saying, and this is how we're going to do it. This is how we're going to do it. This is how we're going to do it. It's the roadmap that unless it was. So I think that the mission statement could be tweaked up a little bit. And while I'm here, this is just a question. The art walk master plan, which is appendix G, is in here and it obviously is an old document. It is. A lot of which is no longer applicable or has been taken care of. A lot of that was implemented. Yes. So I wasn't I was unclear why it was in here in the format in the original form and had not been updated to be updated. Yeah we didn't really discuss that because we knew that that was the basis and we pulled that document out and looked at it. That really set the stage for the art trail walk, which there's another appendix in here that shows where the pieces have gone, which is really what the public typically will use. A lot of the concierge will hand that out or what have you. So it really was here as part of the history of SOB. You know, there's a lot of history in terms of what the steps have gone through, the art that they put in place, the cost, etc. And so that was really intended as more a piece of their history or the town's history as opposed to taking it and updating it. Could that be clarified a little better than it seems? Then it was at least that this is a historical document. You know, one of the things, and I'm kind of running off a little bit onto the side, but there are a lot of appendixes in this document. One of the things that I found in reviewing other long documents is that it's cumbersome when an appendix is at the end of a section of the whole document rather than at the end of a section. It's much easier to follow what's going on if you put the appendix at the end of a section. It's just organizational, but it might make this a little bit easier to follow. Because I know that when I was going through, I was in the appendix. I'd have to flip back to the section in vice versa. Yeah. Our intention, just so you know know is to reformat this, provided there's an action taken on it so that it will look better and it will be able to be read better when we apply for grants, it will be kind of a marketing tool, as well. So, that's one of the next steps that we would take on with this. So that's good feedback for us, is to know that that should probably be inserted as we go or following each section as appropriate. One of the things that I didn't see in here was the was a brush creek arts plan. a brush creek arts plan, dedicating or noticing places along brush creek where we could install art. Is that part of the plan? You know that's a good point. It's part of our, it's part of that arts walk master plan that again that we've identified as being the framework that we've been able to put a number of our pieces along the way. But I believe the poster plan, is it the poster plan that now has a section on the brush, what do we call brush creek park? I think is what it's called along the creek. And I think that it wouldn't take much for us to identify that or to recognize that in this document and to indicate that we want to make sure that we're going hand and hand with that to continue the art along the trail. I think that's a great idea. That would be very, very helpful in fact to add on to that was if we could have kind of a map or some this is where public art could go, where we've considered not just along the, but where, where that might be. Yeah, I know that, I mean, the vision statement talks about, you know, highly visible installations. And when I read about art on trails and paths, it doesn't quite match to me that those would necessarily be highly visible installations. When you say, can you kind of reframe that a little bit for me? Yeah. The vision statement says that, I'll just read it, the working vision for this sub-straightened is the public and performing arts through highly, through high visibility installations is the wording. It's on page 53 of the packet or 15 of this section, the bottom of the page. And there is a lot of discussion about putting public art on trails, paths and trails. And I guess it all, I guess in somewhat case it depends on where on the trail, but I do, I don't exactly equate in my mind paths and trails as high visibility and solutions. Bob, mantra up. Sure, you're right. These four categories were distilled over very intensive work with our facilitator. We talked to other art boards. So they're not one or the other. The high visibility, passive discovery, art happenings, and peak performances where the four categories we distilled as priorities for the town. So it's not a one or the other proposition. And it isn't all four. No. It can be any one, two or any number. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's helpful. Thanks. Julianne, I want to talk a little bit about brick? So $1.9 million out of town funds. Is that cumulative or is that per year? That's annual. And I believe that that includes staffing. That's a lot of mula. It is a lot of money. So help me get there. Oh boy, I'd love to help you get there. Okay, 1.9 million. Okay. What percentage is out of their budget or do they dedicate a portion of sales tax or do you know? I have the I have some background that I don't have it with me tonight. That would be another good point to versus saying a point 2.5 or 0.5 or 1% of our budget or whatever. Is how did other communities get there? I do recall that that is a very conscious decision that had been made and it dates back a long time. Because you may recall there was long the river because the river kind of was really kind of forgotten and pretty nasty. And they made the investment in the, it was like a theater or an amphitheater and a whole trail along there. And so each year is my understanding they kept adding to the program and adding to the program. And I think it's been going after about 20 years now from the time that that first initial got going. And their arts program is responsible for, unlike our tourism department that puts on events, et cetera, a lot of the events that happen are arts oriented and those are put on by that. Oh. So it's a little, it's kind of similar, but it's different. So that's about as much as I, that I know off the cuff, if you're looking for more, I'd be happy to get more information. I'm interested in how each one of these communities have done it. Yeah. Well, some of them are more. Yeah. Some of them show all 1% V tax. But Breckere is centered like Julian says around the River Walk Center, which is walking distance from both the slope side accommodations and the end talent except the far side. And it's supported very strongly by both the NRO, which is the Breckenridge Music Festival, which is an Aslan Rappertoria Orchestra. And they've got four other organizations, three other organizations that joined together to make that a very active and well-used facility. And so they have concerts, L.A., and all that kind of stuff going on there all the time. CMLs there in June has been for a number of years. And it's amazing how, because CML offers tickets to attendees, you'd be amazed how much they get use of that facility. And it's, I don't know if I'd call it an amphitheater or a theater because it down front, it's concrete with folding chairs. And then in the back there's a hill with garage doors that open up and depending on the size of the event, open up and allow for, be close for inclement weather, open up for open air events depending on what they've been. But I've been there a lot over the years. And I think that's the driving force in that $1.9 million expenditure. But they did, as Julianne say, create this there on the Blue River when it was, I don't know. I don't want to call it a tailing spawn, but it was mining centric. And they I don't want to call it a tailings pond, but it was mining centric and they cleaned it up and put this thing in there. It really sits almost out on an island where the creek runs down and the river runs down on which side I guess it would be the east side. And then the ponding is on the other side with parking. They also have a lift that the parking works somewhere in the winter. So it's an interesting creation and they have, I don't know if it's a creative district, but they have a district organization there that does that. So. That'd be interesting to explore, too. Other questions or comments for Julian. Yeah. On page 21 of the 91 or 59, on these, on these bike and hiking trails. About the middle of that page talks about snowmess. The sob has been working with snowmess tourism on placement of art pieces on bikes and biking and hiking trails. And I'm curious as to why snowmess tourism and not are there are trails department. It's all the above. There's snowmess tourism's the money. Oh, okay. But trust me, that snowmess tourism differs to the post department and everybody works together in the same game. Okay. Well, I just wonder if the language should be more inclusive. All works together. I mean, there to trails folks have circled areas. Actually, they were the ones that originally identified the spots that we could do it. So we started with them and then we evolved with getting the funds from tourism. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure everybody's working together. It's just when I just see one department mentioned it. So what's the size of this tourism department budget now? All in six million. Six million. That's the two sides. I mean, I mean, I don't, I mean, believing what John just said, I mean, if we put our, what we'd spend on concerts and everything every year, if that was to have, but, Breckner's got to that 1.9 million, I would imagine we could get to a similar number with a lot of our stuff. But, again, that's an apples to Orange's kind of comparison. But just to clarify what I found the pages I was looking at in summary, they have the River Walk Center, 750 seats, the art sister, which is a multi-facility arts campus that workshops exhibits artisans and artisans. The Breckenridge Theater, which is 100-seat, the Speakeasy Theatre, 150-seat movie theater, so Breck Create, the group, is contracted by the town to manage and operate all of its cultural facilities. And they then partner with the organizations, the longstanding organizations that I was telling you about Breckin Ridge Backstage Theater, Breckin Ridge Film Festival, Heritage Alliance, Music Festival, and the NRO, which is the classical thing of it. So all those entities put on shows in these facilities. It's interesting. It's interesting. The very interesting model. Yeah. It is. Well, while we're talking about venues, a little bit. I think John had a few more things. I was just going to say, you know, understand that Breck has Frisco and Dylan, but not the behemoth that Snowmass has down the road in terms of. That's very true. So, the purpose of our sales tax that comes in goes directly for Snowmass tourism and group sales, into their fund 2 1 1 2% goes to marketing and then marketing and special events and then the And then the group sales is funded from the largest tax and that's the the marketing tax and in the Lodging taxes combined to generate roughly that six million dollar number. I just State so there's separate purposes to both tax So there's separate purposes to both taxes. Okay. Did both of our provision for capital use and there's some guidelines on how they can be invested for capital and whatnot? Well, so, okay. So our town continues to do well. We've been doing very, very well during this season and previous season. And now with base village coming on, what I see is not going increase in sales tax coming in. Should we not consider at some point, you know, where I'm going to go with this one? I don't know. You don't know. I'm not going to want to go with this one. I don't. I'm not going to want to go with this one. I don't know. I'm not going to want to go with this one. I don't know. I'm not going to want to go with this one. I don't know. I'm not going to want to go with this one. I don't know. I'm not going to want to go with activities, performing arts. And just off the cuff, I think that take a vote of the people. Yeah, probably would. And it's a purpose it. But I mean, that's certainly a policy decision that you all could take. There was some point, if you remember, I don't know, in the last six months that the council talked about even reducing that. Well, I'm going to go there too. I think that we've really got to look at that. And again, that's not a yes or no or a good idea of that. Just that would be the. I just don't want to be in a position again. If we go through a recession, it would hit the sales tax. But I'll tell you that was very painful when we lost the public funding for public art. We agree. You know, the timeline in the appendix B, I'm a little confused. It's on page 24 of 91. And the years between 2010 and 2016 seemed to be a little bit of a slump. It's because we had no money. Well, I understand. But I mean, to look at why Breckers has gone to one extent and we haven't, it seems like we went into a slump here and just starting to recover. And if you remember, I think it was the mayor, the last budget cycle said, had the similar observation, and at the end of the budget cycle said, we need to put some dollars in the budget to create a path forward, the strategic plan, and that's what's here for tonight is is you know the years and change with the work to say here it is here's 23 opportunities to move this thing forward green with your observation counts are good that this is kind of that road hopefully that that road map out of that slump yeah we've got this is what I call commitment Find the other alternatives looking at some of the other alternatives that are out there that provides a sustainability of Very important community purpose But we've got to figure that out and I'm fine with some percentage of our committing a half of one percent of our general fund this evening but and a half of one percent of our general fund this evening. But. Well, I think the strategic plan doesn't say do it. It says look at it. Look at it. I think we have to look at it as part of the budget cycle. I think we have to look at it in the budget cycle. We'd be very willing to work on providing council the budget options This the strategic plan was a very intensive exercise. We spend the better of last year meeting with other communities Some members went to Breckenridge, some went to Christ's but there's many opportunities It's a question of finding out what would work for our town and finding out what would work for our town. And a percentage of capital improvement projects can work for some towns, but not if we're building anything. Then we're still like, we have nothing in the bank. So if this is a roadmap, it's not the specifics that you would be considering this evening, but we're definitely willing to provide those options so that we do have stable funding. Why on page 26 of this group. Pending C. There's a list of performing arts venues, but I didn't understand, I guess I don't understand why venues in Aspen are listed on a snowmass strategic plan. A snowmass board, strategic plan. Right, and the intention was, is that we'd not be in competition with the Aspen, but that we recognize that we do have a variety of venues that are available to the Upper Valley essentially. So that's why it was identified that those are facilities that could be tapped into. Could you give me an example of how the sob thought about a snowmiss village public art something taking place in Aspen? I don't think that it was looked at from, well, I know that we didn't look at it from that standpoint. It was more, the question that we were looking at was at least when we were originally starting out in this process is does the community need a performing arts venue? That's actually how the RFP had been written. And in the course of going through the discussion, there was, you know, people were, the group was essentially, you know, we might be able to support one, but there's all these other facilities that are in our upper valley. And so maybe now isn't the time for us. So there wasn't, when you go through the actual appendix K, you're going to see there isn't a lot of emphasis on investigate the feasibility of blah, blah, blah. So in part of that, that was part of why we went through to kind of inventory what's currently available in the upper valley essentially. So that's what that entails. I understand how you would go through that, the inventory as a step to think about some sort of a venue in snowmass. But I guess once you conclude that it's not the time, then I don't know. I don't know that unless you want to include this with some statement about the review showed that there are lots of venues in an Aspen. The conclusion was maybe we don't need that now so that the two things are tied together. We left up, left too much up for you to kind of interpret as what you're saying, right? Is that it? Okay. Yeah, I think that's a fair comment, especially with the salt considering a performing arts center as well. But it's interesting to note that the West and meeting space doesn't have a seating capacity when we have them for all the other facilities. One of our hopes would be that the new discovery center would allocate some art space, whether designated for Stomass Arts or Shared. And that could lead to what John was talking about about ticket sales. We would actually have a space where art could occur, whether it was film, music, artist's workshop and raise money through ticket sales. But we have no, the sob has no space to lay claim to it all. We would, at this point, partner with other facilities in town. You know, I do notice the rodeo is not on here. And I don't know. It hasn't obviously hasn't really been used beyond the rodeo but it is a venue it has seats. We have it on the bullet to close it. It's included as a potential partner but we don't have it in this list is what you probably ought to put that one on. Yeah, for that matter, we could add the rec center too. Right? Where would you put it? Well, the rec center. They have a gym. True, true, true. And I think that, especially when we talk about the rodeo grounds, I think it would be within the arena potential for the entryway master plan that will be tackling here soon. You could. You could do a concert in there, even in today's world, because I've got pretty darn good AV, they have lights, and they have great seating. You know, bring in the country of Western. That's too good. So isn't the rodeo used for some events now? Yeah it does have some events and private events. Okay. What direction would you like to see this plan go? Do I have a motion for approval or I'd like to see it again? I think that I mean what I heard is that There's an interest in getting more information about creative Creative ice unity. Yeah communities. Yeah creative communities Been a couple comments about other things that probably need a little more breaking changes. Could you do that and bring it back to us? That's kind of the direction I wanted to go is kind of. There's a lot of questions. It's dammed. Excuse me. It's very well written. I'm sorry. A lot of work. No, it's great information. It's really it's it's the direction we need to be going But I think there's a couple things that we need to brush up on yeah, if you can do that that would be great Oh, I know that you're pretty busy these days When you might you be able to bring the document back two weeks Just say as soon as we can There's a couple of things in Berlin. Oh, yeah. Besides my vacation. Oh. Well, you got budget. So hopefully some kind of consideration will be within the budget that you're going to propose. We will bring it back to you as soon as we can. Okay. Because we do want to finalize this. Yeah. It's very well done. It's very well done. You know, have their marching orders so they can proceed. Well, I think what you're hearing from us is just questions, not that you guys are going down the wrong board's going down the wrong path. It's going down the right path. We just need to pull in some more information. So I think go forth and do good work as I say. Okay. And the clip will let us know when you bring it back. Now we're going to move over to the policy. Joanne are you presenting policy? I am. Okay. With my lovely assistant here. Vanna has shown up. So you've had a great introduction to what we've been working on this past year. The strategic plan is essentially a roadmap. It helped us identify the available opportunities, resources in the town, and develop our priorities that could enhance the snow mass experience. There is a, can you play that? My husband developed this with Rose and Mai. So, next one. So this spring, the town was a beneficiary of a magnificent sculpture thanks to several generous donors who were recognized this evening. It also generated tremendous public interest. I would say mostly favorable reviews, some concerns. In any case, we're all relieved that the views of Mount Daily have not been obstructed. And that no one driving has been blinded by the stainless steel structure. The artwork was conceived and designed by Dale Lamfer, an artist laureate in South Dakota, which is roughly equivalent to a Pulitzer Prize-winning author or Grammy Award-winning musician. So whether you read sci-fi thrillers but can't read romantic novels, or you listen to country in Western, but you're not crazy about opera, no one can dispute that snow mass village has a piece of our work of the highest caliber. We should all be very proud. Not only did the sculpture reveal a huge appetite and tremendous enthusiasm for public art in our community, it also highlighted the fact that the town did not have a clear procedure in place for acquiring art. So the last few months, SAV has been working next slide. Very hard to take the vision introduced in the strategic plan and the values that we distilled in terms of creating the acquisition policy, next slide, in order to avoid future missteps and to avoid confusion. So what we're introducing to you is a series of guidelines that should address all issues for acquiring public art. And that could be purchasing art. It could be accepting a bequest or donation or even loans. The most important benefit of the new policy is it provides clear guidelines for artwork approval. Whether or not the artwork will be displayed as a pop up or temporary installation or acquired for the town's permanent collection, the piece will be reviewed by SAP may have larger concerns about a site, or we may have larger concerns about a maintenance cost, for example. But moving forward, our proposal is that every artist, donor, or lender is required to submit an application addressing these issues to SAP. The art board will consider the application, determine whether the art piece is suitable for the town of Snowmass, and whether it's actually an asset to our community. We decided that public comment was unnecessary in all cases. It may be on in at certain times we'd like some public comment. In certain cases we may also rely on expert opinion in terms of whether or not we make an approval to town council for this piece of art. Go ahead. So now we have a clear path forward in terms of enhancing the snowmass village experience through art. Through our community outreach and consultation with stakeholders, SAB identified several key art priorities which could include as you saw in the strategic plan, fun creative activities for kids, interactive performances, workshops with artists, we could have a sculpture garden, we could do light shows, surprising installations on the trail or murals to beautify public spaces. These are only a few ideas. There's many exciting possibilities to engage the town residents and visitors through art. Which brings us to a question of how we're going to achieve this. And stable funding is required to achieve these goals. The board is consulted with other towns and explored various sources of funding such as soliciting donations from private individuals. We've done that in the past, inviting sponsors and partnering with local businesses, as well as fundraising activities, which that could be various things we could do, such as ticket sales. However, a piecemeal approach is not going to produce long- lasting results. We are a volunteer board, we have limited staff resources, and we can only accomplish so much alone. So in short, I know it's been a long afternoon, but I just wanted to say in sum, to make a meaningful impact, we are gonna have to find a stable source of funding. I'm not sure if you're prepared to allocate a lump sum from your 2018 budget, but we were hoping that you were able to set aside probably $25,000 for us to get started. We'd be happy to do further research in terms of any questions you might have. But we think the policy should be recommended for approval since it's going to take some of the headaches off of your hands. Sob would do the early preparation and footwork and come to council with recommendations. That's all I have to say. Questions? Yeah, I just want to clarify that public acquisitions in this refers to both solicited purchases and donor offers. Yes. Yes. Or be Quest, Stephen. Or be Quest. Right. Okay. Or be quest, Stephen. Or be quest, right. Okay. With that in mind, there are a couple of statements made within the kind of the donor section that didn't seem to appear in the other types of acquisitions, solicitation section. One had to do with statement that see if I can find it. So you're on page 9 of 22 of 20? No, I'm on well. On donations and be part of it. I could be. I actually made all my notes when I went through the strategic plan. Okay. So let me go back. I'll try to switch it over. Okay. But it does say Bob under the process of art solicitation under number four. It says any form of art solicitation adopted by SOB will be guided by review criteria for art acquisition as stated in this policy. So it does sort of cover all those. Yeah. Right? Even though like it might, I know what you're saying, but when you read that sentence, that's why I didn't highlight that because then I went back and looked and it sort of covered the different types. So tell me again what you're reading. So on in that in the document 137 or page 8. Under number four, the last sentence says, will be guided by where I view criteria for our acquisition is stated in this policy unless otherwise determined by SOB or as directed by town council. So that sort of means under all those different acquisition types. I mean, maybe it's it needs it could be clear. I don't know. Or if it's if it's if that's the place where it's going to be then we should take it out of. I totally. So basically should cover all the different types of our acquisition. Yeah. And then so maybe if you just put for art acquisition for the there's three different types right. So or for whatever the types I would acquisition for the, there's three different types, right? So, or four, whatever the types I would say for the four specific types of art acquisition as identified by SOB. And then it covers all of them and then you can take out the details and the other one. I think that's what you're trying to say, Bob. And our idea was that the town is under no obligation also to accept every piece of art that comes our way. And this policy would do the trick that way too. If we don't want grandma's painting that's been in our study for two decades, we don't have to take it. But shouldn't we also be in a position to commission an artist? Yes. That's the solicitation. The solicitation call for the commission. Under appendix A, they have methods of solicitation. And can I have a question about that? So on page eight, let me go to my thing. Okay. So on page eight, the first sentence, you say, potential artist donor or representative is required to submit an application for art acquisition and selection criteria. But then later, when you're talking about direct solicitation, you say the artist wouldn't need to do that because we're directly soliciting them. I think you need to be more specific in that beginning paragraph, saying that this is for the open call and whatever the other. The call to artist, we're all asking you. Yeah, because other because then it's I saw it later, but then it wasn't reference there. So it makes it seem like anyone, even if we're soliciting them, has to submit it, which would seem odd if you were soliciting a person and then say, well, but you have to fill out an application. Yeah, I agree. The call for artist thing has to be put in there in a little better fashion than it is now. Does that make sense? The call to artists, they'll already know what we're looking for. Is that what you're also saying? Well, I'm just saying here it's saying that they're required to submit an application. So I think it needs to be specific. If it's a call to artists or any of the other ones that require them to submit an application. It should say that. But it's not. So, all right. Joanne, maybe this would it might help. Because I think Alyssa and I are on the same page here. But under Section 5, Public Art Acquisitions, that is, that's solicitated and that's donor and bequest. Okay, so we have Section A which is permanent art, which reflects everything. We have Section B which is donations and bequest. We need Section C which is called to artists. Well, we have loans and you would like us all to put the call to artists in there? Yeah, I think that's where it goes. Okay. That can be D. Yes. Yeah, it can be whatever you want it to be. We're on different. Yeah, because I mean, when you talk about the selection of permanent, I mean permanent could be any of those things. It could be direct solicitation or the call to artist, but if you're directly soliciting someone they then don't need to apply. And that's kind of what this is saying. It's saying anyone who wants to have a piece of art adopted needs to fill out an application whether it be call to artists or something else. But then later when you talk about direct solicitation you say that sub-board will help that artist work through the process. So it's just not it just wasn't consistent. Yeah and that's why we did we attach the example because that basically is the application. So we added the sample for the call for trail art submissions. So that essentially would become because they have to provide additional information to the sob as part of that process. So that sample that you gave. What page is that on again? So the sample page, it starts on page 13. Okay. Go back to the page. Slash 142. Okay, I got it. So on that sample one, on page 14, you talk about this budget. I mean, is this like a real thing or is it a sample thing? This was a real thing. Okay, so you say four installations, $2,500 each, blah blah blah. But then later, you talk about if they're a finalist, they would get $500. Is that an additional $500 or is that 500 part of the $2,500? That's, yes. Do you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to look where that one, yeah. And that was intended for them to get going on, on starting their project essentially. So then it's part of the $2500. No. It's an addition. It was an addition. Okay. Just if you do that again or use that, it should be in addition to because I was confused. I thought I wasn't sure if it was part of or in addition to the 2500 you would pay them for the sculpture. Okay. And also in there you talk about eligibility and they have to be from Colorado. I mean is that what the standard is or that's coming out? No. It's just for this particular piece when they were looking to solicit, that was the conclusion of the SOB that they thought it would be good to solicit within Colorado. Okay. But now we didn't live in eligibility. We don't discriminate. That's clear. I saw that. But if the question of each piece that produced the list, does that artist have a connection to the community? Do they have special components that go in high light? I play it like a interior. You need to get in there. Sorry. Sorry, the artist we understand that there's a a deep preference to support local artists but we think that a diverse range of artistic ability would be able to complement this nomass community as well. So there's no there's no requirement that it is a Colorado-based artist per se. I think that's in the best interest. Joanne, you can correct me. When this went out, you actually didn't get any submissions that you thought should go forward and you needed to change the product. You put this out. You got a number of submissions that didn't meet the criteria that were important. And then you actually changed gears and went out and sought another artist to meet this need. So to the point of they tried PATHA, PATHA didn't produce anything, went down PATHB and there's all these different paths are set up. And they've got to have the flexibility within. I think with their trial there are taking advantage. There's some set paths but they need flexibility with it. Okay. I just have a couple of, I kind of housekeeping stuff. As on page 11 of that packet financial obligations E. Yes. You start off with council and I think that that should be the town. Okay. And under seven special conditions, A, under seven special conditions, A, consider adding to that line imposed by the applicant or donor. I'm not sure who the applicant is. I thought of the applicant being the the artist who's being solicited in a solicitation. The applicant can be all of those things. It could be the artist donor. It could be a representative, for example, a gallery that has a piece. That's so that's why we didn't specify. Okay. Yeah. The current line item in the budget is $5,000 is that right? No. There's not actually a specific lane item. I thought I thought we had $2,500 And we moved it. And I don't remember the number, but you put dollars in and I'm going to guess is more like the $8,000 range for the strategic plan. It was actually $10,000. It was going to say $10,000. And we set aside for the strategic plan of which we spent $8. But that was a directed expenditure, but there's not an ongoing line item. Okay. I think it's an expensive expenditure but there's not an ongoing line at them. Okay. Any other questions on the acquisition policy? Or, if all of anything else, Alyssa, I think we we make those modifications and bring the policy back. Yeah. Okay. We're just small little cleanup items in that one section that needs to be added. Okay, so- Okay, we want to see that before the budget process. Yeah, that's what's not I think so. Can you clean that up? Yes. You have time? Yes. Of course we do. Yeah, that's what's not I think so. Can you clean that up? Yes. You have time? Yes. Of course we do. That seems easier to do than the entire plan. She was the premiering draft. Oh, guess what? She does get her hands on. Joanne's not leaving anytime soon to go home. Can you take her out of the way? We even do it right there as a grower. God. Julie, just a question, because I don't, in the big picture, I don't think that this, I mean, it matters, but I don't know that it matters. At, in this document, in the acknowledgments of the strategic plan, there are 13 members of the sob. Yes. All right. This only was voted on 5-0. To me, that wouldn't have been a quorum. So can somebody just confirm that there's enough members of SOB? What the current membership was at the date of this vote? We can clean that up in the strategic plan, but that was a list of everybody who had worked on this. Yeah, no, I know that. I know that there were some people. No, they're not members of that. I knew some of that right now they aren't. But we have nine members today. Right. So five is a quorum. That's the answer, thank you. OK, well, we look forward to seeing the next draft in a couple of weeks before the budget. Yep. Thank you guys so much. Thank you guys so much. You guys worked very, very hard. Thanks for your attention today. We're really pleased with this. We really, really is moving forward. OK, what we're going to do now versus going into the next item is take a quick break. Thank you. I'm going to take it to that. What? If you give Julianne three minutes, I bet you should give you an update, and then she could go home before the break I'm the comp plan This is the comp lines of team Internet. They want yeah, but there will be some questions. I know from this group And I don't know I'll take the over Okay, we will resume town council. Gillian, update on the comprehensive plan. Yes, the comprehensive plan, as you know is in the review process, we received the draft in mid-June and both staff and planning commission have been reviewing that since this time. The think tank held a meeting on July 11th and provided some general comments to the consulting team at that time. Planning commission has been meeting quite regularly and holding fairly long sessions to go through various pieces of it. We, the first piece that we did get through that there was general consensus on was the principles, which I thought was important because that really sets the framework for the rest of the plan. So we got through that. They've been having a lot of big picture discussions. They asked for more information specifically related to employee housing and staff has been trying to develop some different methods of getting to or determining what the need is. So we expect to have another session to talk specifically about housing on August 28th. They'll be meeting from 10 to 2. To talk about that and continue with the rest of the plan. So the, I think the overall, what I am hearing in John's been sitting in and Clinton's been sitting in on most of these sessions is that they really want to make sure that the plan is reflective of us community and not generalizing about economic development. For instance, we recognize, we want them to recognize that we aren't here to try and get new businesses in town. It's more trying to have what it is that we need and no more or just big enough if you will. Everyone on the Planning Commission seems to have bought into that theme, which I think is a good theme for this plan to be operating under. So our goal is to try and get through this hopefully before I leave on vacation. What is this vacation coming? First draft you're talking about. It is the first draft. So. You can do this, the first draft, not the whole process. No, no, no, no. Just the first draft. We've consolidated staff comments into a draft and I'm wrapping that up. We're still trying to garner all the feedback from planning commission and have their draft if you will. So the next steps from here is we'll take that information, give it to the consultant. They will then come back with a public draft because this really isn't a public draft at this point. It was the first cut. So that's probably the best way to describe it. The first cut needed a lot of work. I'll be honest with you, I've been working on it a lot. But the idea is we'd have a public draft and at that point the consultant comes back and holds an open house with the community to see you know what additional feedback they want to add and then after that they would then proceed with the public hearing draft which would then go to planning commission for recommendation and then ultimately up to council for adoption. So that's where we're tracking in terms of the next several months. So when do you think that public session might be now or do you have a projected? You know, I really don't because I think it's going to take the consultant probably more time than they're thinking of in terms of modifications. And we want to get it right. We want to get it pretty darn clear in terms of what the public draft looks like so that there's not a lot of ambiguity and inconsistency. So my best guess will probably be early winter. Okay. Questions for Julian? No, I think that was a pretty good update. Thank you. They're all and You at least hit all the points that I was thinking about I just have a comment there seems to be a fair amount of pushback on employee housing coming from the planning commission I just like to say Craig Chalmers just won an employee housing unit down in rodeo place. He's the ski patrol director at Snowmass. He's been in innumerable you know tons of lottery and he's finally got a place to live. So I mean I think that just is telling of where we are with our employee housing situation. I mean if a guy of that stature has been waiting this long to find a place to live, there's a need. Yeah, and I think planning commission clearly recognizes that there's a need. They just want to be comfortable with that we've taken an accurate or a reasonable approach as to what that need is because quite honestly we presented the what we thought was the need. I think that was presented to council as well about 383 housing units or thereabouts. And I think it kind of caught them off face a little bit quite honestly. So we have gone back and we started crunching numbers from a couple of different methods that we intend to then present to them at their next meeting on the 28th and see if they can see, if this is the range, can we at least come up with, maybe that's what we do is instead of saying this is the number, maybe we end up with a range. What about that information from the survey, the community survey, about the different types of housing that people are interested in? Is that going into your commutation? We don't even have a back yet, so no. But I'm saying, that's part of it. I mean, that's like real answers from people about what they're looking for. Yeah, at this point it's not. We're like Julian said, we're really looking at kind of mathematical ways to try and get there with past methodologies. We get that in the before the 28th, I'm not saying we won't, but we don't have that daddy yet. So just as an example, that I'm sorry. No go ahead. That Bill mentioned that you know, man got the award of the lottery. I was told that how many qualified people did we have that were in that lottery? Like, 35? 31 is my understanding. So that's a tremendous amount right there. And for one unit. And not only was there 31 qualified that already had financing ready to go and everything. That's pretty impressive. Huge demand. And I did provide with the planning commission with the council goals for this year, just to reiterate that, of course, what you've done in your you know in your you know trying to come together and deciding what's important your priorities that that was right there as one of them so so they have that and they they recognize that they just want to be comfortable with it so we've been looking at the build out from the previous comp plan, et cetera, to kind of real evaluate. Julian, is there any work being done to try to defer differentiate rental from free, you know, from, indeed restricted? We've just come up with the number. We haven't really broken it up in terms of, you know, we need this many for, you know, purchase and this. I just wonder if we have any data that we could use to try to get a sense of one versus the other. For the comp plan, I mean, generally speaking, a couple of methodologies you're being used. I think all of them are based on jobs. And so that's just kind of creating demand. And then from there, the breakdown, we haven't got that level of detail. And I might be missing one of the methodologies came up last week, but we're just trying to come up. If you think about it, this way, here's an answer. If you think about it, this way, here's another answer. And you answered and you know something in the middle but I don't think we've got in that level of detail I haven't seen it yet at least. Just the further address bill situation that's also a result of the change in the lottery process because it became a weighted lottery versus a based on seniority lottery or experience seniority. That was a change that the housing committee made. I'm going to guess ten years ago. I don't know the exact dates. I just know what happened. I saw something that. It was the last time that they actually got together. I think I did review because it was the last time there were amendments made and that was one of the recommendations that they had. I don't want to say for certain, but I doubt if you had that prior priority system that you'd have 31 applicants for you. Okay, because I don't want to go out the old days, but if there were 10 people that had 30 years active service, so to speak, people that were in three years weren't gonna fly because there were 10 people in that top category. And there would be an internal lottery for those 10 people that were 30 years and older, more than 30 years and older, 30 years of service, then it went down. And so there was an absolute priority on service. John, isn't there also been a change in the Colorado statutes that give homeowners association more teeth I guess. It's my understanding that some of the newer developments are all going towards rental because the homeowners association have much more power. There are different situations in Colorado now kind of many of them versus single families, but yes, Ky was a different statutory scheme of regulation than it used to be. But it would not overcome a municipal detestation or rules of purchase. So. Yeah, my understanding is that a lot of the development that's going on, like the tree farm is all going to be rattles because of that type of legislation. Well, it also puts the, and there's a couple of ways to look at that. It puts the landlord in a much stronger position in terms of ensuring qualification, et cetera, et cetera. But it also costs more to own that asset. So there's when they do a crossing, when the town does a crossings or a rodeo place, you determine what subsidy, and then you put that subsidy in, and that's, except for the subsidy, it's all the developer, it's all sold, and there's not money tied up long term by the municipality, right? So. And Bill, I just also add that part of the reason is that there's such liability on the part of the developer now for kind of mediums and most other areas of the state, not necessarily pertinent to resorts because that's a totally different animal. But that's part of the reason why you're seeing the apartment market being so strong, especially in Denver and the front range, because the developers don't want to take on that fear, if you will, that the H.O.A. can come back and sue them. Right. Interesting. Another question for you. The connectivity plan was kind of, we had posed it as a guiding document for the development of the comp plan. You feel like that's being utilized in that way? I can tell you that I have put a raft connectivity plan in a lot of sections in the code. So there's a lot that was brought forward from the connectivity plan into this document but we're kind of just reminding that it was never adopted. I think that ultimately you will find that there's I think for the most part people agree with the approach that we're taking with the connectivity with the connectivity plan being infused, if you will, in the draft comp plan with the exception of maybe the flashing beacons. But I think everything else, people seem to be generally comfortable with it. You know, the necessity for sidewalks along the major roads. I think that's still a little bit up for debate and we'll probably and we'll probably come down with a mix in various sections where it may be appropriate and others that it may not. But they've definitely been, the Planning Commission has definitely been talking about it and studying it and seeing where it fits in the bigger scheme. Okay, good. And then I guess in addition to that, can you just give us an update on the new crosswalk down at Town Park and what the status is? I can't. I'm sorry. I honestly don't know. I know we're planning on going out for our, we're getting it out to bid and get it to package out. But off my cuff, I couldn't tell you. I can do it. I can do though. I know I can do that. Okay, because I mean we initially allocated funds last year and we pushed it over to this year and thought then we were going to do it this spring and no, it was never this spring. There's this fall. But I don't know where we're at. Let me find out. Okay. They were down there serving and doing a few things. Oh a lot of things. I know we've done that. I know the packages put together. I don't know if we've got responses back yet. I think Ian's just waiting on our updates. Yeah, so let me find out and get you some timelines. But the design of that is to have flashing beacons correct. Yes. Yes. OK. Anything else on the complaint? Next is resolution number 31, opt out on broad band allocation. Thank you, Julian. Thank you, Julian. Thank you. Yeah, not three minutes. What? It's with you over. You over and over again. John, you want to sense your names on this document? By default. By default. You're not leaving. Actually, quite correct. This is all about so. All's pre-tenses, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. The Senate bill 152 was placed restrictions on municipalities on encouraging or participating financially in development of advanced service which that passed in 2005. CML and the county, what is it called out of counties. Got a provision in there that if municipalities and counties can opt out. out of provision in there that if municipalities and counties can opt out, it's kind of become the state of the art now and it's basically expected ISP broadband. And we've actually had a study here, I don't know how many years ago, we actually contracted with a company to come in that was going to do it all for free based on the tax benefits. After they did their study, they found out because of the topography here in snow mass village that they weren't going to be able to accommodate and do it for free. So they came up with a purchase and the town was not interested. So that was before that bill, that bill is there now. The county actually sent us a letter last fall, but it was after the ballot question deadline encouraging us to, I think they ordered the letter to go out beforehand, but it was right at the deadline by the time it was received here. It was not able to be acted upon in a timely manner to qualify for the election. So basically this resolution calls a special election for November for this single ballot question. It approves an intergovernmental agreement with the Picking County Clerk to conduct that coordinated election. And then it provides a ballot question that basically opts out of the provisions of Senate Bill 152. And that's about it. That all goes forward without increasing any taxes, but it does require the election by the terms of Senate Bill 152. So staff is recommending that this resolution be passed. And it gives a couple of special directions that the town clerk would be appointed a designated election official for the town. The council directs that this question be certified to the county clerk in time for this election, proves the governmental agreement. That's about it. Oh, the officer's an employee of the town are here by authorizing direct it to take all necessary actions to give the effectuate the provisions of this resolution. John, would you explain it authority upon approval, the advalorem? You know, I think that is a question that's required, but there are no taxes here. Yeah, that's why, that's what confused me. Right. We could delete that. Let me check on that, but you could delete that. Yeah, I mean, if we could because it would be- It could be- We would tend to confuse. Okay. Okay, with that modification, slight modification, do I have motion for approval? So moved. Let me see. Thank you, Tom. Any other discussion? All in support, say aye. Aye. Oppong吐 same sign. Okay, next is town council reports and actions. Bob Siracus, you wrote this report while you were on the patient. Not exactly. But I wanted to, I wanted to, I wanted to, I wanted the entire council to see some of the issues that were raised as they relate to Roodi Reservoir by the Bureau of Reclamation. And I mean those issues include the fact that there's more pressure on diversions. So I'll take a step back. As you can tell from the document, the water in Roodi reservoir goes to a lot of places. And each place is a diversion. So there are diversions to other, there are contracts with different people, both those people who have water rights, I think the city of Aspen and you water, who is another water provider. and you water, who's another water provider. And these diversions are legal requirements if there's a need for water in these various contract holders. And then there is also a requirement to keep a certain amount of water downstream outside of grand junction for endangered species. And there's a bunch of endangered species fish that float around the canyon just before you come into grand junction. So I guess one thing I wanted to show you all to see was where all this water is going. And as you could tell, the inflow was less than the outflow for a good part of this summer. Right? I also wanted you to get a sense of the difficulty that we're having with the aquatic nuisance surveys, studies, hearing inspections because neither the Bureau of Reclamation doesn't seem to be able to find any funding or help us with any funding. So it just kind of puts, at this point it's putting pressure on the member municipalities that support the Roodi Water and Power Authority. And Roodi Water and Power Authority is struggling to try to find a different funding stream or some other funding streams that can be accumulated to support the aquatic nuisance surveys. And as I mentioned before, there are boats that are being inspected on a regular basis. And almost every week, there's a boat found that needs to be decontaminated. So each time that happens, if the program wasn't in place, then that boat potentially in Rueda could spread these muscles and mollusks and snails and all these nasty critters that will severely contaminate the reservoir and be very difficult and actually impossible to remove once they get there. So that was kind of why I wanted to show you and rather than just try to talk about it, you could see the minutes that came out of the meeting. And again, when we come through our budget, I would hope that we could again continue to fund, I think we funded 96 or $9,800 last year. That we could include that and you'd all be comfortable including that again in the budget for our next year. What other funding streams are they looking in other than every year there on a- Well, the Colorado Water and Conservation Board. We've kind of looked at healthy rivers and streams and growing for conservancy and, you know, these other organizations. But it's really been a struggle. Really been difficult. Is there been a discussion of consolidation of all of those entities? One of the things that Ruappa is actually been talking about is strategically what should happen with Ruappa, whether it should maintain itself as an independent authority, whether it should change in some form so that it's beyond just a municipal organization. And we are trying to work through some of those things. Okay, very helpful. But there's no fee for the inspection. That's correct. And we've been in touch with the Forest Service about the ability to charge a fee, and that may very well happen next year. And is there a fee charge for the decontamination? I don't think so, Bill. Right. Because I know, I mean, I was up there and there was a big boat that came back from Powell and they spent like two hours cleaning this boat out. Yeah. So I would think that, I mean, they should be charged for it. Totally agree. It's like mountain rescue. Go on the rescue. Did it, it's like a free service. I mean, even, you know, the four service is having a hard time staffing Roodi. The guys who are doing the inspection are there all the time. The guys who are doing the inspection are there all the time. It just seems like there's got to be a way to join forces there to get some efficiencies. Thanks, Bill. I'll pass it on. Very good. Any other items to come forward tonight? Tom? Any updates? very good. Any other items to come forward tonight? No. No. Of course, cancel the August 17th meeting and rescheduled for September 28th. So that's it. That's it. Rob anything else? No. Wednesday night is the last rodeo of the season and we all kind of cried after the last Thursday concert. Yeah. It was a good community picture though. I just saw it. It was great. Yeah. It was really a lot of fun. I don't have anything else of importance. I don't have anything. I have a Northwest cotton meeting Thursday that was supposed to be an Aspen but now I have to go to gypsum. You can go over. Wepsum. You can go over. You can go over. We canceled it. You can go over Cottonwood. You have to go over Cottonwood and he said no. No, I told him. What kind of interiors? She's going against traffic, so just taking. It's a second. Second to two. You're going the opposite ways, so don't worry about it. I wouldn't send Judy over to the council. So anyways, so I have to leave earlier because we have staff that had to fail coming out of Glimwood Springs so you need to allow yourself a good 20 minutes extra. I had to do it last week. Yep, no will. Okay, anything else? Okay, we do have an executive session scheduled this evening and I'm looking for my cheat sheet. My cheat sheet, which I don't seem to have. Let me go to the... I think it's in here. Yeah, well it is, but I just like my agenda. Do you have it? I got it. Okay. Here we go. The town council has reason to convene an executive session to convene and exactly well. Okay. I'm going right now. It is a recommendation of the No Mass Village Town Council that the staff that the Council may get approved the following motion. Town Council will now meet an executive session, pursuant to CRS 2464024 and the No Mass Village Municipal Code 245C to specifically discuss one item. Personnel matters except if the employee who is a subject of the session has requested an open meeting for someone to see. Sirius 2464024FL and Snowmass Village Municipal Code 245C6 provided there is no affirmative vote of two thirds of the court and president at this meeting to hold an executive session for the sole purpose of considering item A above provided further that no adoption of any proposed policy position resolution regulation or formal action can shell-curate this executive session. Do I have a motion to go in the executive session? So moved. Do I have second? A second. On support? Hi. Hi. Same sign? We're not, no? OK. We will now convene.