Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I didn't kind of commissioners court for Tuesday, November 28th. It's now session. This morning, our invocation will be given by Sheriff Murphy and our pledges will be led by Joe DeGonzalez, our Fire Immuncial. Will you please stand? Make sure that my condolence is on. Can you hear me? We're making sure that my can tell the story. Can you hear me? You bow your heads please. Our gracious Heavenly Father, Lord, Father, we come to you thankful today, Father. Thankful that we can assemble freely God that we live in a country and in a state where different opinions can come together and peace God and still live in brotherhood and like each other Father. God I pray for this governing body that you will guide them that they will rely on you for the decisions they make Lord. I'm thankful for each and every one of them and their willingness to serve Father. God I ask you to bless everyone in this room and ask you to bless their families and keep them safe as they go about their day and Christ them up pray. Amen. Please join me in the pledge to the United States flag. Our pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, the individual, and the and justice for all. And the Texas flag, honor of the Texas flag, how the flag is used to be. Texas, one state under God, one in the individual. Thank you, gentlemen. We're going to first... We're going to first go to item 3B on the agenda. 3B is a provolvo resolution recognizing Philist Bloomfield's retirement. Philist will you please come on up to the podium? Just have a seat right there at the podium. Yeah, that'd be great. Other side. Thank you. This is a resolution honoring Phyllis Bloomfield for 28 years of service to Denton County. Denton County Commissioners Court, Denton County, Texas during the regular session on the 28th of November, 2017, considered the following resolution. Whereas Sergeant Phyllis Bloomfield was a loyal employee with the Denton County Sheriff's Office since August 28, 1989, and retired on November 22, 2017 after 28 years of service. And whereas Phyllis started her career as a detention officer, working the evening shift in the main jail. In 1992, Phyllis started her career as a detention officer working the evening shift in the main jail. In 1992 Phyllis was promoted to Corporal where she worked evening shift in Book Inn and was promoted again in 1993 to Sergeant in the main jail. And whereas during her career with the county Phyllis's duties included being in charge of the trustees and the barracks, being assigned to the pretrial section of the jail. And she also served as an instructor for the jail school for 20 years, where she had the opportunity to pass on her experience to many young rupees. And whereas Phyllis was awarded the officer of their year award in 1993, due to her dedication to her job in outstanding work ethic. And whereas the sheriff's office wishes Phyllis well in her retirement and would like to thank her for dedicating 28 years of her life to Denton County, she will be truly missed. Now therefore, a beer is all Denton County Commissioner's Court, the Denton County Texas. Does hereby extend the Sergeant Phyllis Bloomfield our sincere and grateful appreciation for a dedicated service to Denton County. We congratulate Phyllis onfield are sincere and grateful appreciation for a dedicated service to Denton County. We congratulate Phyllis on her well-earned retirement and extend our best wishes to her for continued success, happiness and good health in the years to come. Then in Open Court, this 28th day of November 2017 upon a motion by myself, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye, pose, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay. Motion does carry unanimously. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye I feel like you like to see anything or you sheriff. Come on. I just want to say that I enjoyed so much my career didn't county. It's like leaving a family. You see so much going on. Even offices have worked for me. I remember when they were born. So that really made me feel that two of them that I watch being born work for me. And I see people on the street all the time and they say, you still working? I said, yeah, they said, are you ever going to retire? I said, I don't know, I sure like it. But I thought, well, it's time, you know. I've got three beautiful grandkids that I would like to spend time with. And my family in Denton County's been through so much. I lost my son while I implored in Denton County and I always had my Denton County family there. They've always backed me up, but it's like leaving my family, but I will be back. I told my chief, chief cavern, and I said, well, I'm going to come and eat dinner with you. Is that okay? He said, well, sure. I said, because I don't have a job no more he said that's fine but thank you so much thank you sheriff did you want to say something you have somebody here with you that yes introduce introduce to you this is my husband there's a broomfield he works for the district attorney's office. And we've had a, I've had a good 28 years with Denton County, and he's working on his 28. There you go. Thank you. Sherry. You don't replace a Phyllis broomfield. You, there are people that'll come up to try to do her job, but you can't replace 28 years of experience. And you know, not only has she, she note about the tension officers who were born while she worked there and now working for her, I'm sure you've seen father and son inmates and the early grand kid inmates that she's dealt with over the years. And since I've taken this job, after 30 years of law enforcement, I've gotten a new understanding of what goes on back in the jail. As a police officer on the street, I took them up there, I left them there and I walked away. This is the hardest job in law enforcement, what they do. They're locked up for hours and hours and hours with some of the worst people that society has and some of the biggest manipulators and they have to deal with that every single day, all day. And I have such a newfound respect for men and women who do that job and especially when you've done it for 28 years, it's amazing. We're going to miss you and you're welcome to come back anytime, and if Chief Cable will meet with you, I will. Thank you. Thank you. I wish you well, Felicity. Thank you very much for being here today. Okay, members, let's go to item one, which is for public input for items not listed on the agenda If there any may be a public that would like to address Mr. Scorke We ask that you please complete public comment form want to remind everyone to please turn off cell phones pages and The electronic device that might be disruptive. I have three public comment forms the first one is from mr. Willie Hutsmith good Good morning, Mr. Hudsworth. I try to make you look in like 10 minutes. Judge and commissioners, my name is Willie Hudsworth. I live in 623 Newton. Just a point of reflection that I want to make. And the mother whose child was removed from the house, three-year-old child, removed from the house. And I was contemplating, what am I going to do about all these bills that I have, that I've got more bills than money? What do I do about that? And this lady has lost her child, three-year-old child. Got my priority straight real fast. We need to be thankful for what we have. Now I want to talk to the issue of the county. I'm on the committee to determine what we should do regarding the monument or the statue out front. And I just want to make a comment and speak to the fact that there are no women, there are only one woman, on the committee. I don't think that's the way it should be. I think we should have more women on the committee. So I would employ those of you who did not choose a woman to go back through all of them, have an opportunity to put more women on the committee. They were the ones instrumental in putting the women, putting the monument there in the first place. It would just be interesting to me now, not saying let me point, I don't mind who it is. But it would be interesting to see what are the views now of women about that statute. The one woman that we do have on the committee seems to have a more compassionate view of the committee members and the situation. So I would suggest you rethink that, put more women on the committee. That's my thought. Thank you. Thank you. Jennifer Lane. Willie, both you and Jennifer have also signed up for 13A. We'll do that next. Go ahead. Thank you very much. Jennifer Lane, 1526, Willowood Street. I would like to speak to the same issue. I'm concerned about the situation because four out of five of you chose only men. Also, I wasn't there, but I understand that, and I'm glad to hear Willie say that the woman, the one woman that's on the committee, is compassionate because I also heard that jokingly, she said that she thought it was a good idea that there was only one woman on the committee because too much estrogen would lead to not being able to make get work done. And I would like to know if people feel the same way about melanin. I find that really offensive, even if it was men tumously. Should will he be the only person on the committee who is of African American descent? It's disturbing to me greatly. I came back from my 30th wedding anniversary trip to New Orleans, hoping to find progress here. And I feel like it's gone backwards. I feel offended. That's what I have to say. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I can tell you Miss Kate was just kidding with that when she said that about the estrogen. I can I can assure she will, sure you she was. And she's joking that such as I suggested go over. Would that go over? Would that be funny? Would I be able to say I was joking? Would someone apologize for me and say I was joking? Would that happen? Absolutely not. And people say, I've heard also said, you know, in my absence, she's controversial, referencing me. I wonder why I'm controversial. Is it perhaps because I ask hard questions? It certainly isn't anything to do with my life. My life couldn't be less controversial. Three years marriage, employed. OK, I'm a musician by profession, an employed one for 45 years. So what is really controversial here in Denton? What is it in Denton County? What constitutes controversial? Speaking up, does that constitute controversial? Calling out offenses? Does that constitute controversial? Asking questions. Being able to serve on committee after committee after committee after committee as an academic, is controversial getting things done is that controversial curious thanks busy person so just choose some more women thanks members let's see here let's go to third order yes is John Baines here? I don't see him yet. He said he was on his way. Okay, he's on his way. Let's go to 13 B. There he is. Okay, well let's go to 13 B because DJ Taylor is asked to speak. DJ. 13 B is discussion of possible approval of proposed and county commissioners court public policy comment policy and sorry oh Not to speak Okay, just the written comments. Okay. We'll come back to that John Baines are you prepared to make your presentation? John Bans, are you prepared to make your presentation, sir? Well, good morning. We're glad to have you here. This is 13A, update by John Bans, chair of the Confederate Soldier Memorial Advoc, Advisory Committee. Good morning. Thanks for being here. Thank you, Judge, for having me. And thank you for asking me to participate in this most important of decisions. In the future, if you'd like, I'll be able to write something but I didn't prepare anything written today. You're willing to volunteer, you do it however you want. That's right. We appreciate you. Do it however you want. You're right. And give me an idea of how much you would like to know and I'll make my presentation accordingly. Short, full. Short and full. Short and sweet. Brief overview. So far, nine of the ten of us have been able to meet. And I found, I'm of the opinion that we're going to do a good job. I feel that we can take care of the task that you've given us. And right now we're looking into the historical context of the memorial to see what are the things, the facts and circumstances that were available at the time to let us know of the intent of the folks who put the statue of the memorial there. And then, after we get a historical context, then we'll begin to look at a variety of options. We felt that most assuredly, there are at least three options. One is to leave it as is. One is to move it, and the other one is to leave it with providing some educational context for the future. And we have also established the fact that we will have open meetings and the meetings, however, folks that will attend the meetings are not allowed to comment until we establish a notice that says that in this particular meeting we'll be accepting public comments. And so we have a meeting this Thursday, next Thursday, and every Thursday until the 21st and at that time we'll see where we need to go and I believe in our meetings are two hours long and I think we're doing a good job and trying to get our arms around this the most serious of decisions and I'll entertain any questions you may have. I think it's a great start. Thank you. I do too. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for being here this morning. And I apologize for the delay. No problem. No problem. Thank you very much. OK, there's no required action on that. OK, members, let's go. I'm sorry. Yeah. Jennifer Lane, if you'd like to come back up, and then Willie will have you come back up also on 13A. I'm just continuing on this point a little bit. When I was teaching at Stanford, as I was getting ready to leave, we had a dinner, and I was seated with President Hanise. And I learned at that point, this was in 2005 that Larry Summers had just been invited to Stanford, but it was kept on the down low because he had made his terribly controversial comments about women in the sciences. And I remember talking with President Hanise and saying to him, you know, more than the comments about the genetic makeup of our brains and whether or not we're the same potential biologically to be scientists, whatever. His comment about women academics, not, or women not wanting to work the 80 hours or what have you, that really bothered me. And it bothered me because for so many years in this country, particularly, you have pioneer women who were CEOs of large farms and they created their own workforce. And you know, women who had one foot on a spindle, baby, nursing baby, and making something with their hands at the same time in order to maximize the daylight. I said, that just really wrangled. And he said, you know, my wife felt the same way. That was what father heard the most. These things are career ending moments for people who do that, like Larry Summers, political career-ending, not his academic career he's fine on that. Score, he's still even sought out for his economic advice. But bias and bigotry towards women, towards people of color, towards LGBT members of society. This is really no longer tolerable. And that's what this monument situation is really about. And those of us who are trying to bring it to everyone's attention, who are trying to bring it to your attention, committee that you formed. We want, we kept it a week, I want to come here and I want to say, yay, wonderful, thank you, thank you, great job. Let's do this in a celebratory manner. In a manner that respects the people that may call it their heritage without really knowing what that heritage is. Really, you know, use it as a portal to learn more, but not this bias, not this bigotry, not jokes that wouldn't be tolerated if you substitute another group for the target of the joke. And not by, you know, this is, I mean, there are studies of, you know, when the affected group does it to itself and to each other, to members of it. It's just not, it's no better. It's not more tolerable. It has to be dealt with. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Husmith. Hmm? In response, it's a, a mint this it's an agenda. Yeah Did you have a question? Go ahead. Well, I'd be wanted to say something you could just for clarification. We're on for Yeah 13 Be I want to speak to A as well. What's item where we are? A is the committee, right? 13 A is the Confederate committee. Let me just say that being the chair of this committee, any committee that I'm on is a chairman within itself. And Brother Baines is handling it. He's handling up. He's doing a good job of just getting thoughts from everybody, giving his thoughts. And that's what you do. And you try to keep us on task. The specific thing that I want to talk to you about and just to say what I think you all know. Women growing up and becoming of age in this society and just living life have a unique position, many of them, those that are not of color for sure. They're in the background talking, are listening to men who supposedly have it all together, which the women can tell you really, very quickly, including my wife, know you don't have it together. You got that right. And let me tell you. I'm listening. And let me tell you not only to take the trash out, but where to put it and how to put it. Now that's coming from my house over on Newton Street because women hold the key. Don't they men? They hold the key. So this committee is supposed to be a group of people coming together to figure out what in the world do we do with this controversial issue. They're trying to, we're trying to figure that out, but there's only ten of us. Come on. Nine men, that's all we, we're listening to that work. The only person who when we went around the room and said, well why are you here? What's your expertise? And what do you do? And why do you want to be in all of that? The only person who said after and everybody did this, they said why were here? Then what do we hope to accomplish? And what do we think would be some solutions? The only one who said something that encompassed all of what we're trying to do in a statement, one single statement. The only one who did it was a woman. And the statement, whatever we come to, whatever decision we finally reach, it ought to be something that we could celebrate, not segregate, celebrate, woman. Now that's why you need more women on the committee. I'd say reconsider, think it over, it's not gonna hurt anybody, the demographics of Denton County certainly hidden the majority of them here are men. So that has nothing to do with it. Make the committee larger, make it fair in that my suggestion is each commissioner appoint another woman to the committee. That doesn't hurt anybody, it's certainly not. and we don't have any objections to that as a committee I don't think so it's my suggestion thank you So let me ask you You stated that it was one woman that made a statement that you so appreciate. And this is the only woman that's on the committee. This is the same woman that supposedly are what we hear is told the joke is that lessen her credibility in your eyes of her benefit to the committee. I'm asking, I'm asking. We challenged her. She sent the joke and we challenged her and she quickly communicated to us it was a joke. And was she agreed that she would be more women? Yeah, so her credibility is in tact with you. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Hohen? Yeah. Mr. Hedsmith, I'm glad you said, so you think we need additional members? Because I was going to ask you, you know, I voted against the committee because I was worried that instead of sending it to the office of history and culture, that we would get bogged down in the process and not be able to make a clean, decisive decision. Because I thought people would come back and criticize the makeup of the committee, criticize the process that was going on with the committee. We went ahead and established committee, so I'm trying to work with it. But do you think we should remove people? Because one of the things that haven't worked in a lot of committees, the more people that you have, right, the less it gets done. If we go from nine people to I guess 12 or 15 or something like that to more even an hour do you think I mean it just seems like it's gonna take longer it's gonna be harder to reach a consensus I mean reaching consensus between five people is hard enough I found that myself. No. No. You know and so I'd kind of like to keep the committee small. So would you recommend we remove people and then substitute women for them to keep the committee small in order to develop a consensus? Oh. You know, I just, the whole committee thing, not that I feel validated that people who have you know decided to question the process and the selection manner and who was picked and stuff like that. That's one of the reasons I didn't think we should have the committee in the first place. But I just feel if we expanded even further. I think you all have a valid point about when you women on the committee. But if we expand it further, don't you think it's going to be a lot harder to get consensus? I mean, I'm thinking we're going gonna put women on there. We probably need to have each get two more pointies on it. Why not? And put nine or ten more people or nine more people? Well, the key is the person who's cheering the committee. That's the key. Passers-Masters by. It's fantastic. I'm surprised he was willing to do this. I know. Don't discourage him. I'm not. I'm not. I think it's right. I asked people to be on the committee and they said they wouldn't touch you with the tent. Well, I got to find two more people. I got to tell you that very politely he says you spoke on the note. You just, you read your turn. You spoke on the note. Now, let the next person speak. And then we listen to the next person. It takes time, but this, this has been 18 years for me doing this. Come on, a little more time is not going to bother me. Getting it right, yeah, we'll have something to celebrate about. And I think you, we just have to work through it and get to the celebratory part. And we'll be. We had three little women, guys. Well, what I would like to do, I mean, I just want to make it worse. Easy, I mean, I'm glad y'all are allowing public people to come see the meetings. I think that's a good idea. I read the outline that was put together by, I guess, Howard Watt on the way the things should go. I thought that was a pretty good idea where y'all work on it at first and at the end, take public comment. I'm just concerned that if we appoint a lot more people to it, it's going to be a lot harder to build consensus. And my hope, you know, Howard came by to talk to me and said, what do I want from the community? I said, Howard, I pointed you. I don't tell people what to do when I point them to it. Regardless of their views, I picked people who I thought had something to give. I didn't ask them what their position was on the monument before I put them on there. I just thought, said, do what you think is right. But what you think is right. But I really want a unanimous decision to me if you know if we have something that comes down you know 60, 40 or something like that that's not going to solve any of the problems. So the bigger the committee is the harder I think it's going to be to build consensus. That's my concern. It's not. Should we renew the input? I would have thought of that too. Let me tell you about the lady, the one lady that's on there, what she did to really help us. Two things. The last meeting, Paul Meltzer. Meltzer. Meltzer. Meltzer. Meltzer. Meltzer, like, meltzer. Wasn't there. So he was on the microphone. It was the woman who got us all big boys in line with a finger. He should be next. He should be next. Pointing to the microphone. That's what you get when you have estrogen. I'm sorry. What? Man. I'm sorry. When you have women, I'm going to come in. I mean, to me, my question is, I'm worried about expanding the committee because it'll be difficult to build consumers. You just, hey, it's an awesome being. And I'm also worried about removing people. You should come. Yeah, Mr. Baines, I'd love to hear your input. Oh, now you discourage him, he's going to quit. Oh, no. You know. And as we began the meetings, there was a general consensus that to add more females to the committee would not be a problem. I feel that there's a very strong desire to do a good job. And so with that being the catalyst, I think to add a few more would not be a problem. And as the overseer of the meeting, as the chairperson, everyone's been very respectful. And if we get off task, we just get back on task. We have a two hour meeting and I just remind folks if we're going to get this thing done ladies and gentlemen we have to stay on task and we keep the well defined and I want to commend the court as well for giving us the marching orders they were very very good and we've used that as our template so we can make progress. So to add a few commissional coalman should not be a problem. Mr. Mitch, my point is when you all come with the recommendation, I really haven't, you know, said any of my pointies what I would like. I would really like to have a unanimous decision, you know what I mean? Because just to, I think it would help to end any devices. If we, instead of having to split recommendation, and you have, you know, one recommendation from the minority, and then I'm a maybe, I mean, from the majority, and then I'm a minority report, like you have on, you know, different committees. I'd really like the all-agreed as a committee on something. I will communicate that to the committee. It would be nice to do that. We don't all agree up here. I know. You can try. We can try. We can try. I'd just like to make one point clear. I was asked early on if this committee was subject to the open meetings regulations. No, they're not. Because it's a committee that's going to be making a recommendation. They're not a governing body per se. That does not prohibit you from visiting with whomever you'd like to or asking any speaker to come in that you'd like to hear from. I think I know a little bit. It's been portrayed that essentially not subject to the open meetings law that maybe you weren't going to be hearing from other people. And I just like to make it clear that it's my understanding you are, but it's at your invitation, correct? Yes, ma'am. We do intend to invite others. Once we get the housekeeping in order, then we can invite others in to speak. Well, thank you very much. I would very welcome for Chairman Baines. Thank you, Chairman, for being here this morning and for your willingness to serve. And I'm not surprised at all about the positive feedback. We've received this morning on your leadership, so thank you for your willingness. In your opinion, it's not too late. I know you've had a couple of meetings. It's not too late in the process to go ahead and add a few more people. I think we would just have to give them an update. Okay. To bring them up to speed I think we'll be okay. All right. I'm in favor of as I add a few more people. Okay. So five. Okay. I understand our process and the trouble that I had as far as filling. In fact, one, we were charged with filling these positions with people that represented our geographical areas. In fact, I went off. I went rogue a little bit and... I did that based upon the response that I had to me and by phone calls of people that were interested. My decision was based upon that, so we need to go back out and then solicit and members. I have another comment that would like to say. My question is, I'm for adding more females. Is it all right that we appoint them that are outside our barrageographical precinct? Yes, I have appointed one outside of mine, Ron, because you did. Yes, interesting person. We just, we all want, that'll make it fine. 14 should be that right. There's 10 people on the committee, correct? 10 currently, yes. Well, that may be 15. Five would be 15. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I've got another lady. We'll work on it. Thank you. Thank you very much. And the meetings are, I think we need to be able, since you have a set schedule, we need to be able to, when we ask people for the willingness to serve, we need to give them the information. It'll be the 30th, the 7th, the 14th, and the 21st, all from 9 to 11. So the next, the next 4th Thursday Thursdays. We all be making a decision on the 21st. I doubt that. Somebody wrote that down. So the dates so we'll okay, it's a recovery. It's recurring Thursdays at 9 to 11. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you again. Let's go to item 13 beat. Let's go to item 13 B. Before I go just to say thanks that the Woman on the committee has recommended that other women join that Amidegates things a lot it's still my comments still stands, but makes difference Okay, so item 13 B which is discussion and possible approval proposed didn then county commissioners court, public policy, I'm sorry, commissioners court, public comment policy and code of conduct. Members, do you have questions or comments? I had a couple of questions. Go ahead. I thought, now I like the way it was written, but it's been incorporated your suggestion. Thank you, yeah, I saw that. Two things, is it 45 minutes total of public comment or is it 45 minutes per item That's my intention 45 minutes total. That's kind of what that well that's so that's the way I read it to I think it needs to be clarified a little bit And then the other thing is I noticed I may have missed it, but I'm in the Profford Policy by Texas County Commissioner and County Judges Association. It had stated that if you have that, you wanted to make sure that both sides were represented and I don't think that was included in that policy. Oh, okay. Where you said, you know, like if there's... Full points of view. Yeah, I mean For point three that included in there. No, I'm just I just thought that was a good idea You know I agree if if you had like you know Pass a resolution favoring the Cowboys or the Texans you get Texans fans and get the show up and say like you know I'm the only one here, but I think we should do that. Something like that. That one side does not eat up the time. Yeah, it's inclusive. I think it's good because if you take 45 divided by three, that means 15 speakers, right? So you can have, you may have 30 speakers who would take a off. And that's why we inserted part of there's several people there that are all of like mine. Get a spokesman for that group and I saw that for 30 people trying to speak. Encourage but not required. Encourage but not required. All right, well, those were, I read through it. Those are my two. But we need to, I don't think we can have that. I just thought was, you know, we can't let the perfect beat enemy of the good. And so I just, to me, I just wanted to clarify that with y'all and get what our understanding was. If that's our understanding, I'm okay with it. I want to be sure that we add the fact that they can come to the court on the morning of and be able to sign up to speak and not have to do. How do I say that? It's not as important as. No not it's not it's not it's not in there. I went over it. It's not in there. Is it a press case? I believe it's implied, but remember, does the public comment not comments regarding agenda items? For public comment? I'm sorry, I'm reading through. And you're asking, is this going to be just for the public comment, the item number one or for all? For I don't know. I think I'll come and she needs to be everybody but kind of once you get to cool it I don't think you I'm not a before he in me it's implied. We did have a statement in there that they had to register the day before by three or four p.m. and we would read that. And yes it is an implied of under three it says in negative implication and what inferred that you could that person's who wish to provide written comments it talks about the written person's who wish to register under under item number three it says persons registering to speak should be prepared to stay for the entire meeting. One court, once court discussion of the Post-It item has commence, presiding officer will call each registered speaker in order of registration. No, that's not it. No, that's not it. I think probably four point. I think what the implication, I mean, the time of registration excuse me. I'm sorry, four point one. Yeah, four point two. is that registration under the policy is accomplished by the successful submission of a fully completed public comment registration form which may be submitted online or by calling the aid to which or do you want to add which may be submitted online or by calling the eight commissioners court or contacting them today up I mean what's the language that you have I want to the language that they can come in the morning of and sign up to I don't mind them coming in the more of the show I think that I think that once court starts I don't want to line 30 people out there finding up to speed. Well that sounds and I basically agree with some of that but you know you're sitting here and you're listening to what's going on and all of a sudden you didn't want to speak but you somebody said something or in the discussion you decided that well I might need to add something on that and I don't want to cut that off for citizens. I agree that we have the limit. Are you talking about a post-it agenda item? They can do that. I'm talking about any agenda item. Bobbi, having written a whole bunch of policies before and stuff from the county, I'll tell you if it doesn't explicitly say you can't I mean there's no time frame in here it doesn't say you have to register the night before you end. So I will tell you that I would you know a negative implication that would mean you can show up and sign up that morning. Well but it does. That's why it says it doesn't say. It does say. It does say. Yeah that's what I mean but we removed it. It was pretty. Yeah, that's what I mean, but we removed it. We removed the limitation of the day before. I guess I made the presumption that by removing the limitation, it opens it up to allowing it for the day. Right. And the only restriction would be once court starts and public comments have already been started or have gone on does the court wish to have anybody sign up to then come back to public comments or come back to an item that's already been voted on. We're talking about it once public comments close. If public comments close that's one thing. But if it's not close then they should be able to speak. Right. I guess that's my point is we can't really provide for every situation I didn't can y'all point me to the portion where it says after commissioners court has started I don't see that either I don't see that either you that's why I said I'm not recommending any changes I just wanted to get what y'all the interpretation yeah I can put your move that, didn't we? You know what I mean? Because I think it doesn't have to. It does not say that they can sign up once they get here. It says in a 4.1 as run as say it, which may be submitted online about calling the age of the commissioners school school or they can sign up once they get here that's that's the problem they can sign up the day of the meeting up until court starts yes yes and this policy comes back to do you want that under our four so I'd be at 4.1 point four actually let them I believe that they should be able to speak until we close the I don't I don't and that's about I think I'm next time. Simon Bobby why don't we do this where it says which may be submitted on the island like comma in person comma or by calling the aid to the commission's court. Right. But do you want in person the day of court? Yes. Up until commission. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is And I'm not gonna agree with that they can't, even after the court, after nine o'clock, if somebody walks in and there's an item on their agenda, they pick up their agenda. There's an item they don't speak to. They should be able to kind up. Because we haven't closed item yet. Yeah, but I think that's all right. And I don't think that's not, I think that's okay. I think it, but- But you're saying it's not included in here. If they're in the public comment, they should not be able to go back public register and keep going down. No, no, no, no, no. And we don't require people to fill out a form if there's an agenda item as well. Yes, we do. Even if you jump up here, I don't think they should have, they get to come back over and over. But as long as we're discussing the item and I come in the door and it's 9.03, then I should be able to sign up to speak to that. Yeah, like the city of Denver. Yeah. Okay. That's my boy scout. I got there five minutes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Once cord starts. Okay. It's cut off. In the past, you have reopened public comments. So if we choose to do so, right? Yeah. That's that her discretion. Yeah, pretty much is, but I mean I think if we all have it, you know, so is the language. Please, please leave to negotiation. So is the language going to be under 4.1, which may be submitted online comma in person the day of court comma or by calling the age commissioners court, and is that open enough to meet everybody's? On by me. On by me. Say that again, because I don't think you. I don't think it's perfect. OK, under registration for 4.1, just the last part of that sentence, which may be submitted online comma, in person the day of court comma or by calling the aid to commissioners court. And that's fine with me. Okay. So that's that's fine with me as long as that answers everybody else's as long as nowhere in there. It's a commissioner. But judge wants once court starts. And they would be here. Right to speak if they pre-register did it in advance. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be up to the chair to say it. I'm really recognize them. But absolutely it's up to the chair, but this member is not going to vote on it. Which year? I don't think what you're saying, Bobby, is in the policy. It's not in the policy. So if it's not in the policy of the limit team. But I don't want you all to think that I'm voting for the policy and you're assuming that somebody that comes in at 903 can't speak. So does that? That's what you're assuming then I'm not going to be voting for that policy. So does the language allow someone to come in after 9 a.m. and register for an item? Basically, now it does. Yes. There is no limitation as long as they register before the item is before the item. Right. Ended. Is in. Okay. That's the implication. as long as they register before the item is being is before the item right ended is in the item is in that's the implication okay with that okay now that's up to whoever the presiding officer is right the only other thing is on the very very last page the third the third sentence banning from appearing before the court for up to then six. So it's just a little typo there. Wait, I had a typo. It's just to eliminate the word ban. And I'm sorry you're going to have to tell me where that is again on this page. Last page, the third line from the bottom. The very, it says. It'd be more than two, six months. Yeah. Up to six months. Got it. Okay, we'll go back to the dry board for a lot closer than there. We'll just approve it with those revisions. I'm sorry. I make a motion that we approve it. this with the provisions that we have discussed that we had discussed in open court. I agree. I'll move the second. The motion by Commissioner Marchant Seconded by Commissioner Coleman further disobeyed. We have a comment by Mr. Hudsmith. Come on up Mr. Hudsmith. And he did ask to ask you a question. And he did ask to speak on this issue. Thank you, Mr. Hadswell. I applaud you for trying to work through what you view is the fair and proper thing to do. Let me give my comments to it before you make the final decision, which is your vote, is I agree with Commissioner Mitchell. Let me just tell you why. You already do that. Judge does exactly what she's saying you should do. She does it even now. It's a good thing. I would suggest don't make the vote with something negative in mind that might happen. Just make the vote based on what you assume is going to be positive and make the flow of the court operable. The judge still has the gavel. Do you have the gavel up there? You bet. Oh, just shake it. I got a bigger one. Think you can control whatever. Don't make rules based on what's negative. That's what I do. Telling you to always comes back to biting into foot or other areas. So I'm just saying that's what you do. I think it's good. And Commissioner Coleman, other than the fact that you didn't pay for my breakfast the other morning and I'll deal with you on that a different issue. You know that the comments you keep making is, did we do what was right and what was supposed to do within the law? Let me tell you my thought about what we've talked about. And that is we've got to do what's right and proper with the public's thought in mind. We're less restricted than the city. You always come up with that. And you are. You know the difference between the city and even though they are more restrictive. Most of the city council members, like your son's on City Council and he's on a commissioner. Sit down. Oh, shit, quit being pleased. Most of the city council members and the mayor behaved like the judge. Lignit. We've already closed this. You didn't fill out a card, but if you will go back over there and fill out a card and then come back, you can speak. Your time is up. Okay, but we want you to wrap it up. That's what she does that. So if you just come up with rules that make me feel like I matter. The hutspits of the world matter. You know we've got blue and black and all that. The hutspits matter too. Then I'm going to feel okay. If I matter then I will be complaining and doing stuff that causes uproar. You're trying to do that. I would say just make the rules based on what you think is going to be positive and it's going to go well, not the other way. Well, and this is positive because it expands people's opportunity to fill out the forms that they before or in advance, I mean, I agree with your sentiments. I think it does that. And in that case, since it's not expressively written that somebody can't come in at 903 as long as that's not in the policy. I'm okay with that. Okay. Okay. We have a motion. Second, I'm floored to a heavy if any more comments from members of the commission's court. Hearing none on favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Post and in motion. Just carry. All right. Now we move forward. Yeah. All right. Members, I'd even choose the consent agenda. Are the items on the consent agenda? You need to ask some discussion on it. Do we have a motion? Motion by Commissioner Eads. Second. Seconded by Commissioner Marchin. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Post-. Motion to carry. Consent agenda today consists of 2A, which is approval of the order making appointments. We have a new hire in the County Clip's Havas 2 Promotions in the County Jail. 5 new hires in the County Jail. 1 new hire in Road Bridge East and 1 new hire in juvenile post adjudication. 2B is approval of the Intra Department of Transfers. 2C is approval of payroll. 2D is approval renewal of bid number 12152322, corrugated galonized metal pipe to contact construction products incorporated. 2E is approval of building new requests from Judge Joe Holland with the Den and the Columbus Club. 2C is the quarters on the square on Wednesday, December 20th, 2017 from 6am to 7. to 7 30 a.m. for the purpose of holding the weekly colonis breakfast meeting in the tour of the courthouse on the square to F is approval of 2018 building new requests from Denton County farmers market to use the Joseph A. Carroll administrative building parking lot in Dent Texas to market herodos and food products. Either grown produced or raised by Demcony Farmers Market Association members, 6.30 a.m. to 2 p.m., Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays from April 1, 2018, through November 28, 2018. 2, 3a is a provile resolution recognizing Gloria Morris's retirement. I don't believe Gloria could be with us today, but we do want to acknowledge her service, of course. This is a resolution honoring Gloria Morris for 19 years of service to Denton County Dent, kind of commissioners court, Denton County, Texas during regular session on the 28th of November 2017, considered the following resolution, whereas Gloria Morris, Juneau Supervision Officer, will retire November 30th, 2017, after completing 19 years of outstanding service for the Denton County Juneau probation department. And whereas Gloria began her employment with Denton County on November 12th, 1998, and has served diligently as Juneau Supervision Officer in the Juneau detention center center keeping the detainee safe and secure. And whereas Gloria probably served and protected our country by serving 19 years and eight months in the United States Army and whereas during her career, the Denton County issue is respected for her willingness to effectively work as a team with her co-workers and supervisors. And whereas Gloria's a unique personality and humor will be missed by all, all of the Juno detention employees who have worked with her over the years and where I was her dedication to the county has been appreciated by all and she will be greatly missed. Everyone in Juno, but the probation and detention, which is Gloria, a happy and fulfilling retirement. Now therefore, it resolved the Denton County Commission's court, Denton County, Texas. This hereby extend to Gloria Morris, our sincere and grateful appreciation for dedicated service to Denton County. We congratulate Gloria on her well-earned retirement and extend our best wishes for her continued success and happiness and good health in the years to come. Down in Open Court, this 28th day of November 2017 upon the motion by myself. Seconded by Commissioner Eads, I'll in favor, please say aye. Aye. Posting a motion does carry unanimously. 5A is approval of the bill report payments from CSCD, committee de corrections, TIP, sheriff's, sheriff's, forfeiture, VIT, interest in DA forfeiture funds are all presented for recording purposes. Only good morning, James Wells. Good morning, judges and commissioners. I'd ask approval of bills as presented with noting the three additions that are on the separate page. And I'd point all of these, actually, and none of these are we actually approve the expenditure of county funds or either returning unspent grant funds or passing through grant funds received by the sheriff but actually at least departments. I'd also note that we have the detail of the county's purchasing card payments or added to that to make improve disclosure of what we're actually buying. That's all the questions. Thank you. Any questions from members of the board? Do we have a motion? Motion by Commissioner Marching. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman. On favor please say aye. Aye, post, any motion is carried. Any motion is carried. Got some people in our audience here that have been patiently waiting. Let's jump over to item 8A. 8A is approval permanently downgrading slot number 0498. Senior clerk pay grade 7 to deputy clerk 3 pay grade 7 in the tax office. Then questions on this issue. Do we have a motion motion by Commissioner Marchion. Seconded by Commissioner Eads. On the favor, please say aye. Aye. Post-Cinney. Motion does carry. And I also want to go to... Do you want a second here? I'll find it. Yes, 13F is approved of a reappointment of Jim Carter to the board of Denton County Emergency Services District number one. I'm not really sure about that. I know. Uh, no. I judge. I'll move for approval to reappoint Commissioner Carter and since he's in the audience, I'd like if we could just get a one minute update from the minute Thank you for waiting. I know. Fisher Eads made. I'll get it. I'll get it. The motion and I'll second the motion. I say things haven't changed a lot. They're just as good as they were but full. Thank you. My name is Jim Carter. I resided to 10 to below five roadrunner road, Barnville, Texas. Still a proud number, we're pretty thankful. Wanted to just give you a brief update and I should try to do this more often on very important organization that use sponsor. That's the emergency service district, didn't county emergency service district. Didn't County Emergency Service District number one. We cover about 65 square miles of the county for emergency and fire protection for the county. And some of that's an unincorporated county, but it includes five cities as well. Copic Canyon, Bartonville, Argyle, North Lake, and the new city of, used to be, Cral City now, it's Draper, or Draperville, I'm not sure. They named that the former mayor in the owner. Anyway, we're one of the most efficient operated emergency service districts in the state. There are currently 300 in this number may change daily, but there are about 355 emergency service districts throughout the state. Most of them are in the southern part of the state where there are large areas to cover. Where the father's north district in the state. We became involved in probably the monolastia on the cool at 2.006 when we were having difficulty funding fire and emergency services in the area that I talked about. It was basically primarily the responsibilities of the cities and towns in those areas. And they would fund according to their ability to fund so there was no consistency in funding. We're just service districts. We looked into the possibility of how they operate. They operate on a quasi-governmental entity. They have taxing ability. That taxing ability is capped at $0.10 per hundred and cannot go over. No district can go over $0.10 per hundred. We looked at that possibility, we had to go through the normal election process and was able to have about 72 percent of the residents of that area both the district and at that time knowing that there would be a tax increase on them. So it was a very good situation. We appointed, it's the responsibility of the commissioners to call it the pointy commissioners of the district and there are five of them. And that is not universal all over the state. Some commissioners are elected. And with this wonderful legislature we've had in the past few years, that's been trying to push more and more to take that authority away from the commissioners' court. And we believe that that would be a terrible situation because we won't qualify people in those positions. And let me just tell you about the five commissioners. We appointed the original five that's co-dead. And we asked for the suggestions from the various cities that were involved. And we came up with an excellent set of people on that board. And let me just tell you on there now other than myself, there are four fantastic individuals. We have a full medical doctor, Jay Haynes, this is our guy, runs Peter Smith Hospital and Fullworth. Jay is also a former council member in our guy. We have John Donahue, John's former head of the Galfire Department's President, and a volunteer fire department for years, also an excellent financial guy that's his business. So fantastic individual. We have Chris O'Montese, Chris, as a professional engineer, works for the city of North Richland Hills, and covers all their facilities. He lives in North Lake. We have a 40-year Dallas Fire Officer. His name is Steve Harris. And Steve knows his business one time out and back. And he's known Andy since Andy was a little boy. When Andy's dad was a firefighter as well. So it's a wonderful boy. And we have, we're rated probably at the top district in the state. We operate our district on less than 4% of administrative fees. 96% of that goes to actual firefighting and emergency services, equipment, fire station, that sort of thing. In the seven years, there are eight years that we've been in operation now. We're in the process of building our third fire station in North Lake. We built one in Copic Canyon, we built one in in our gal. And now we've always been concerned about our western territory because if you well know there's a train that runs up in down 377. And sometimes that can cause huge delays. Since though we started, we had at that time, we had an eight minute response time to emergencies. We cut that down to less than four. And that's good. Remember that for every time you can get someone to take care of heart attack, victim that's qualified, you improve that chances of survival by 10%. One minute, that's a 10 percent more improvement. We have cut the ISR rating. It's what insurance companies use to charge the insurance rate. It's time we started this. We had overall the lower yard about off the R10 is the top. We had eight. We now have three. We have saved our residents far more than 10 cents that they're paying in taxes. We have just recently signed within the last year. So signed a contract with Dunn. Robison Ranch, as you will know, this court have bring that in here when I was on the court. And they have the fire station, they were in the city of Dunn. But the fire station is kind of removed from that area. Those people have a 10 ISO rate. And you can think of the age of the people that live there more than likely require more emergency services than the average age person. So working with the city of Denton over the past few years, they're mayor, they're fire chief and all. We've signed a contract and we now will be providing, soon as we finish our North Lake station, we'll be providing the services for Robus and Ranch as well through a fee service. So those are the kind of things we do. I have been somewhat recognized by the State Board and of Safety, which is the organization that provides all. And I've been on their board now for about six years. So we're hamming that situation well. There are other opportunities that you may look at it for safety things. I appreciate my reappointment. Dr. Haines's paperwork will be here shortly. I hope and I would appreciate your your appointment as well. Be glad to answer any questions if you have any. I would just like to thank you Commissioner for all your efforts and your leadership. He is a president of the board but in that position for many years and I appreciate your expertise in local government, and that you brought that to bear with the ESD. And I'll tell you this was one of your biggest accomplishments when you were on the court, was to take the leading effort to get this on the ballot and to explain it to the voters, and that it was overwhelmingly approved. And so I think one of the great things about this ESD is with all these members cities, many times, there's a habit or a practice of looking at just your local municipality, into services within your jurisdictional boundaries. And the beauty of this ESD is it's looking broader and how do you place those fire stations to maximize the coverage and cover maybe multiple cities by placing those in a very smart and intelligent way, looking at just the rooftops and the service levels instead of just the political boundaries. And so I think the North Lake station, which we broke ground on this last year, is huge because that is going to increase the, decrease the response time significantly to Robson Ranch. And it didn't, it's not a member city, but we're going to be through a contract providing services to those residents, which they greatly need. And so it's just a real, this ESD, I'm very proud of it because, as Jim says, it is a leader in the state of Texas and it's right here and thank you for all your leadership. We appreciate the judge. He's come to several of our retreats and we'd extend that invitation to all of you. The next time we have one, you may see some opportunities somewhere in your area that this might work. I'm pretty sure that we're pretty covered in some of these larger cities but there might be some opportunities for some places in your area. And again, thank you very much and look forward to the appointment and look forward to your point in Dr. Haines as well. Thank you. Mr. Thank you for being here today. We appreciate it. We have a motion in the second on the floor. All in favor. Please say I Aye. I pose in need motion does carry Okay, try and make sure I'm not skipping something here Okay, just a second 13G 13G is approval of nominating Ron Smith to the North Central Texas Council of Government's Executive Board to replace Tamara Sutton as one of the two DINK County representatives on the North Central Texas Council of Government's Regional Aging Advisory Committee. It's not the. Yeah, it's the regional agent advisory. We have a motion by Commissioner Marchant. They're begging that by Commissioner Mitchell. We have Mr. Smith with us this morning. Thank you very much for your willingness to serve. We appreciate it. Yeah, and I make a statement here. Mr. Smith livess in my area, in fact right behind my office and the other appointment that we have is an element that leds within my precinct. It's just I'm taking care of the agent because I am getting there. I'm going to see Ron Ron, that I am taking care of. Mr. Smith didn't look that over. Well, I do. But he's taking care of you. Yeah, taking care of me. All right, we have a motion to second all in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Post a nay. Motion to carry. Thank you for being here this morning and for waiting. OK, let's go back to 7A, which is approval of Budget Amendment Quest 100250 for fiscal year 2018. Excuse me. That were rolled over funds to various county departments that were committed out of the fiscal year 2017 budget, but not expended until after the fiscal year was closed out for a total amendment of $5,436,272. Moved. Motion by Commissioner Coleman. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Any questions or comments? On favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye, post-c and a motion carries. 7v is approval. Budget and I have a quest 100260 for countywide technology, computer equipment and software for the law enforcement facility and the amount of $2,105. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 100270 for legal services for criminal district attorney and amount of $5,437. Second. Motion-bagged commissioner Marchance, seconded by commissioner Eads. Hearing no questions on favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Cine. Motion carried. 7D is approval of budget man request 100280 for operating the equipment for law enforcement facility and amount of $3,212. Motion by Commissioner Mitchell. Second. Seconded by Commissioner Eads. Hearing no questions on favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Cine? Motion carries. 10 a is where we've got all of these for public works. Let's take them all in one fail swoop, shall we? 10A is approval of the final plat for Artesian North Phase III Commissioner Prisnt I. 10B is approval of the final plat for Artesian retail block A lot for this is 1.87 acres. Also in Prisnt I. 10C is approval of final plat for our tj a retail blockade lots 1 through 3 final plaid is 3.345 acres in Commissioner precinct 1 10D is approval of preliminary acceptance of the approved road reconstruction project Commissioner precinct 1 and 10E is approval of accepting fixtures bend sub division into the county maintenance system this is in commission precinct 4 any questions on these items or do we have a motion? No move. Thank you. Commissioner Coleman, seconded by Commissioner Eads. On in favor, please say aye. Aye. I, post, in a motion carries. 12 a.m. is approval of the purchase of a single duty weapon by honorably retired Captain Rick Clark. For approval. We have motion by Commissioner Marchin seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor please say aye aye post and a motion is carried 10b is approval the Sheriff's Office fiscal year 2018 equitable sharing agreement and certification with the U.S. Department of Justice. Motion by Commissioner Marchant. Say goodbye Commissioner Mitchell. Hearing no questions on favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Post-Sinane. Motion carries. 12 C is approval of the audit report for the Denton County Sheriff's Office for Fiscal Year 2017. Chapter 59, asset for future report is required by the technical criminal procedure. Motion by Commissioner Mitchell, seconded by Commissioner Coleman. On favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, sitting. Motion does carry. 13C is approval of authorizing the Denton County Judge, designed a resolution solely for the purpose of satisfying 47F of the code at the request of Atlantic Housing Foundation incorporated for the Arbor's of Denton apartments relating to tax equity and fiscal responsibility of Act of 1982. Approval associated with certain multi-family housing projects located in Denton County. Basically what they're doing is they're wanting to refinance some old debt. I will tell you that I voted no on this issue and it came up initially. Actually, I think it's been on the agenda a couple times and I voted no both times primarily because its developers getting tax free bond money. So I'm opposed to, but you do what you want. I've gone down on the 401 vote before it can happen again. Questions or discussion? Do we have a motion for approval? Motion by Commissioner Marchant. Seconded by Commissioner Eads. Here in no discussion. I'll favor, please say aye. Aye. Post the name. Aye. Aye. Aye. No vote. Yes. Free and favor to oppose. 13D is approval. Change order number nine for a credit in the amount of $210 for the Denver County Southwest Court House to close out the contingency allowance. Chair, I'll move for approval. Say anything by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. Aye, post, aye. Motion carries. 13 E is approval to temporarily relocate the emergency services department located at 90, 60, teasedly laid in Texas to the elections technology services building located at 701 Kimberly Drive, Dent in Texas. I'm gonna be voting for this. I think that a question that I asked Dale on this is when do we have scheduled either in CIP or our, is the ability to build a new facility not within our plans other than through bond election? That's correct. So since you're leaving, when will we be putting together a bond committee to look at future projects for that bond election? Whenever we tell you to. I think we've been talking about that in our CIP meetings every time it's brought up but it's I do believe it's time we have I think one more issue with regard to some of the road projects and we're we're almost finished with our bond projects everything else is going to take some sort of voter action that's a multi-million dollar project that we can't afford to pay with tax notes or really I'm sure you wouldn't want to do non-voter debt on that. But in the meantime we're going to have to find some temporary space to place them from what I understand. I know that Beth and Dale and maybe YouTube, different people have been talking about this, certainly, Jody. But I'd like y'all to get together and kick it around. Technology, I'm sorry, the, the elections facility is fine on a temporary basis, but they get into elections. They need their space. So we need to be looking at possibly renting some space and certainly preliminary discussions about putting together bond election package again addressing not only this but other issues. Beth attended the meeting that was had. Our office wasn't included in the meeting so I'm not as up to speed on that subject as others might be. And if I can add, I go right to the recommendation page. This basically facility is throwing money away. It's essentially what they're saying that to repair it, to work, can be habitable, would be more, almost more expensive than going out and building. Now that's just the main administrative building that we're talking about. Are we talking about the storage buildings, that all the vehicles and all the emergency equipment is our store and there's two or three separate buildings there isn't it. One building but it has different sections in its case. It does so it's just one building. One building with different sections but this committee needs to get together and study this whole issue. This action is to take care of personal mainly at this point. And then look for more. That needs to be the plan. Well, I'll make a motion for approval. OK, that's fine. We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Marchon. Seconded by Commissioner Ead's. Commissioner Comet, did you want to add something else? I'm just going to say, you know, if we're not going to be using buildings, I think we need to get rid of them just like we sold the chrome facility and other things. And we hang on to stuff for a while. If this building's gotten to the point where? We're lately, we haven't. What's that? I said, we haven't lately. We've been. We've got rid of those facilities on 288. I agree and I think this is the process. The old task office, the old adult commation. We don't want to keep the ones that don't. My purpose of asking if there are multiple buildings because they cannot store that equipment, the big old honker thing. Goliath. Goliath and all the other emergency equipment can't be stored in any or in emergency. So I'm assuming that they're going to stay there is that correct? Oh that's moving also. So the Goliath and all the emergency things will be moving to the elections as well. Yes. We're where they be stored. Some of the major equipment like life and several other vehicles that will be moving to the facilities. We're going to put the life and behind our building and we've located some space in the parks and the other built the vehicles that they have right now. He's speaking to the microphone so we can hear you. The main issue with the building as it is right now is selling it as we have the tower out there which we have to maintain and keep. So we can store the building back to storage building eventually and still use it as a storage facility. Just at this point time we need to move personnel out in order to reassess and get to that point. Missionary, if I can clarify, there are two buildings at that location. One is down the hill, not the same. Right. It is our storage building for surplus. Yeah, that's where I've gone for. The things. Sure for. So there is a possibility of maybe eventually getting rid of that one and moving in just storage. And making wear emergency services is now making that storage and getting selling the other one. That's where I was thinking. That's not because of the talent. Remember we got seven acres in front of the road bridge facility in Saint signer, we can build another facility. Well, we remember we also bought on 288 for the next location as opposed to feedback by. That's a lot more as good as real estate than real estate out in the center. Right behind Aldi. Aldi, yeah. Yes. Okay, well, we have a motion in a second on the floor for the discussion or questions. Here none on favorite, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Posting a motion is carried. Okay. 14A is a approval to submit the annual electronic reporting form in compliance with Senate Bill 1812 demonstrating them kind of Texas authorization to exercise the power of eminent domain in Texas I'm over approval We are motion by commissioner Coleman seconded by commissioner Eads. I have a question um This makes me think of in the last legislative session and I'm not sure if it's this bill or not, concerning cities and their ETJs and taking people into their city. The folks now have the opportunity to say, no, I don't wanna be incorporated into the city. There's no more involuntary annexation. Involuntary annexation, right. Thank you. Cup of days. My question is, do we need to be taking a look at our rules and regulations for the county? You know, on one hand, I certainly understand, you know, the city's point of view, but I certainly understand, you know, the city's point of view, but I also understand a private citizen if they want to do something on their land. It is their land. And the city say, oh, well, you're in our ETJ, so you need to come up to these standards. Well, I'm never planning on being in your city. So I would like to do XYZ on my land or on my barn out here or whatever. And they can't do it because they're in the city's ETJ. And it's one of those things you can almost argue both ways. My question to you all is do we wanna take another look at our county rules and regs on this issue our subdivision rules and regulate subdivision rules rings I'll tell you a lot of our subdivision rules in Andy and John can tell you don't really apply within the ETJ because a lot of our agreements all the the plating is done by the cities and I've looked at those agreements and correct me for a wrong mister felt if we want to change them they were long-term agreements and if you want to change a lot of them you have to go to actually arbitration. We had a horse Jodie. We had a long adamant discussions with the city of Lake with Billet remember that John where they were trying to charge permit fees for certain things outside of their city limits in the county within their ETJ. I think it eventually got litigated in the city was found where they couldn't do what they were doing in the ETJ but when we looked at adjusting or revising the language to those agreements to clarify it, they basically said you'd have to take under arbitration. So that's going to be extremely problematic, although I think it'd probably be a good idea. And Judge, excuse me for interrupting. I just know that other counties have taken the approach differently, differently. Right. So we had a staff meeting yesterday afternoon with Fred and just our team had a meeting. And that was one of the items on our agenda was to talk about subdivision rules and regulations and some public works things. And so Fred and his staff have been working on just some cleanup things internally. And they are they plan to get with us the first quarter of next year. I know there were some county road issues that standards and so forth that we want to obviously visit commissioner Coleman about and kind of as a work group and then we bring some revisions to the full court as a whole and so that was that's very timely. You mentioned that judge. We just had that conversation yesterday. So they've already been working on some draft language and just some cleanup. And I think we need to include your thoughts and comments as well on the court. I just know of a property owner that happens to be in the Collin County. Yeah. They're, they look at, you know, everybody looks at things differently. So I think we need to have some discussion on that. Yes ma'am. What position we want to take on the issue. It's extremely problematic because we're already hooked into these agreements regarding what you do with your ETJ. And then we're going to have more high density development in the unincorporated area. I think when you have people living in those small lots, I mean we need to really look at a lot of what we do like with Artija. I mean all these ones that have already gone through, there's nothing we can do about it, but when you have these high density developments with small lots that we grant variances to, to me you know under chapter 243 we need to you know that's one of the reasons we did the thoroughfare plan. If you're going to do high density lots you need to be prepared to make contributions to the transportation infrastructure. We've never done that. Remember Crosshook's ranch, one of their main complaints is I think it's World War III out there during the Fourth of July because we can't regulate fireworks and those are tiny lots. They're upset about the way that their muds maintain their roads. There's a lot of things we can do, but a lot of times we're answered. I don't have any comments. 14A is merely like what didn't county has done, the action that didn't county has taken with regards to condomation. So the subdivision rules and regulations are not really applicable to this item. Well, we'll be talking about that later, but do we have a motion in the second this issue? We do. Okay, all in favor, say aye aye post and a motion Just carry thank you 14b is discussion and appropriate action related to the Denton County tax abatement policy I was looking through this did we make any changes I didn't see underlines or anything like that and there for any of the changes. Mark. I think this was. First to give some input on some revisions that we may want to do so that we come back later. It was a part of a preliminary discussion. My main issue is the rebate. Is that free anyone? We don't do those and I want to continue to not do those. I think it's important. I agree. I think it would be important for us to look at some language regarding staggering, like we talked about, one of our recent projects. And I think I would ask that Laurie come back with some some language at the next week or at a future meeting to talk about staggering I think that was something to some of the cities do that our policy currently does not address that's something that we could talk about. staggering like a phasing it's ph in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face in it, face I'll start off here, I'll go with paper and off over the years or whatever. Did you want to add something in? That information I sent you a few weeks ago has a couple of different ways to address this staggering issue. I didn't want to make sure you all had it and if you had any questions. But there's a couple of different options or possibilities. I did a little research and see what other counties did. So there's also some other things in there that you might want to consider. Still be. Let me know. You know what? I know. All right. Any more discussion on that item or any more direction for Lori on it? You don't want to approve just a poem. for Lori on it. You don't want to approve just a point of see. I think today was just for us to give some give some direction to Lori or her to come back with a document. But do you all like the stack? It right? I don't. I don't. I don't particularly like it either. He. I don't like changing the project minimum. I like the job creation portion. I don't want changing the project minimum. I like the job creation portion. I don't want to have any 380, 380 one agreements. Make a note, you and I agree. Oh, 380 one agreements. Be Bobby and Mary and Dre. Go ahead, Annie. I do have one comment. We do have a job provision in our policy. We do have a job requirement for county initiated tax abatements. We do not have one for municipality based tax abatements. We have that in their application. Right. In terms of age to. It just gait. We have that in their application. What they anticipate. It just gate. Right, but like in our actual policy, we have two main provisions. One is municipalities based and the other is county based. And then the county based, I believe it's 25 jobs. Yeah, 25. These are when the city asks us to participate. We do not have a minimum job. I just wanted to make sure y'all are aware that it's a new job. These are when the city asks us to participate. We do not have a minimum job. I just wanted to make sure y'all are aware that it's a new job. I'd like to have included for the municipality. Any questions? You want the 25 with the county and the city to match match up in regards to job credit and they usually do. Okay. They don't worry. I'm doing the Mac. No, but usually usually we can make it match the cities. Absolutely. It can, but we don't have a requirement for a job minimum in some cities don't. So if they do, we can make it match or we can set our own, you know, or we worked on projects were forward a whole criteria whether it's. They do actually have. City, center, urban employees that are jobs that are created versus out. I mean it's a whole matrix. There's very complex. It even includes contractors that live in Tarrant County for a certain percentage and I mean it's. It would be hard to match that. It's very complex. Yeah, we can. There's a problematic to stipulate within our policy, a job minimum creation per investment. If it doesn't align with, let's say a city comes in, they have no minimum required. Right. And we place a minimum requirement on it for participation in it. It does it presents any kind of problem. There are some projects I can think of. We might not have been able to participate in. Had we had a minimum, but not many. Well, it gives them something to strive for. It does. It can make it. We could always hit it. Well, it gives them something to strive for. It does. It can make it. We can always hit it. Well, and a lot of those are faced. And a lot of those, I mean, according to our application, I'm looking at our application. Right. There is a, because I've had this question with developers as well, there is an expectation that the policy through the application places upon the developer a an idea that they have to have certain amount of people and there in other words we're looking at that in their application that they have to have a certain amount of people that are gonna be parked, that are gonna be bringing in outside of Ditton County, End of Ditton County. In fact, I'm trying to visualize the application and it does not talk about phasing different years. It has a place for them to put that, yeah. Yeah, how many they hire initially and how many they will eventually end up with. That's what I was talking about. The services that they're using in DIN County, I think, there was one, but I don't think it has to be the employees that they're brought in to DIN County. But we ask that, though. Yeah, as much as we want them to have a safe amount of employees. I think just initially we could start with just a number or a percentage if you wanted. But I don't want to be too confining on that because they might have a, entity, business enterprise that has a lot of AV, you know, I mean they might really have a lot of value on the tax roles, you know, but have fewer employees just because of robotics or something like that. And so right. Automatic. Automatic. Automatic. Automatic. Automatic. Automatic. Automatic. Automatic. Automatic. Automation. Yes. I have a shift. There are some instances that might be problematic. I'd rather have it be more restrictive and then if necessary, way requirements as opposed to, because if you have a policy, and they come in and they go, they're just going to expect it. They're just going to expect it. And I think it's better to have it more tight. And then if there's something we really want, give us something to negotiate with to weigh it. And then there was the ratio. I mean, how do you set the ratio to the investment of employees? How are other people doing that? I mean, you have a $25 million, $25 million threshold of, let's say, 50% over five years. And you have to create 100 jobs. I mean, is that an arbitrary number? It's usually a percentage. I'm looking at Tarant counties. And there's a sub-briking down there, but they have even within their percentages, 25% created field by tenant county residents, etc But we can do it as a percentage or a number but a percentage would probably make more sense I like to look at the salaries Well, and that's on their minimums as well. It's on the application as well It is it's just not a requirement. It's just for information purposes You can incentivize you could incentiv like, you get a baseline project, it comes in here, and then you could, like, for or worth, and others do, they incentivize, there's a base incentive package, and then you add to it based on other success measures that they're able to achieve, and they're able to achieve these things, and they get a higher percentage ongoing If they can't meet that they don't achieve that they don't achieve it. They don't get that it's like bonus points Right. There's a base percentage and then they add a little yeah So the only tool that we have to even measure that is the application not the policy itself correct Yeah, and correct me for a moment. I mean because I'm wrong. Currently yes. I think I know this but I may be wrong. When you count jobs, do you count jobs as jobs that are creation on the building? I mean like going into build the factory or those jobs that are Canada's created? Those are contracted jobs to get it done. Of course the people who are going to be that are subsequently working. I would think it would be employees once it's done and move forward full time. When I run into people, you know, some of the developers out in some parts of the eastern part of the county, they all talk about all the jobs they're bringing. I'm like, well, they're not really going to be there. Correct. The six months. The half. Correct. Yeah, the transportation infrastructure. Destroyed. Yeah, they're trying. Yeah. Right. Not really. Right, permanent jobs of how we would specify. I suppose. Yeah. Okay, you got your marching orders. Yes, ma'am. Okay. You don't need to take any action on that. 14C is approval of agreement for construction of TAS ADA remedial upgrade, Denton County Courts Building, bid number 08172437 between Denton County, Texas and Denton County Construction Specialist. In the amount of $80,000, $15,078, funds, funding to come from capital replacement fund buildings, auditor line at 8.075209010. Questions on the site and we do we have a motion. I'm going to prove. Motion by Commissioner Coleman. Seconded by Commissioner Marchin. Did you have questions? OK, all in favor, please say aye. Aye, post. Any motion carries. 14D is approved of the Interlocal Corporation Agreement between Dan County, Texas. In the city of Frisco, Texas for the King Road resurfacing project from Rose Lane to Whit Road located partially within the city of Frisco and entirely within Denton County Commissioner precinct to with the county green to contribute an amount which will not exceed $150,000 with funding the amount of 150,000 to be transferred from precinct to discretionary triple-eight, 2014 PI bond funds. Other line items are posted. Is there a motion for approval? Yes. Second. Motion by Commissioner Marchand. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman. Questions or comments? Hearing none on a favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Posting aye. Motion carries. I want to remind everybody that we'll be having court Friday December 22nd at 10 a.m. And then on the 26th, there'll be no court because we'll still be celebrating Christmas and I hope you are too. Have I skipped anything? Okay, okay. With that, we're adjourned. Everybody have a great day. I agree.