Okay, let's call the meeting to order now at 4 p.m. and this is a special called meeting in the Landless City Council. A couple of items on the agenda for the day are a discussion of possible action to approve an amendment to the City of Landless personnel manual. And you all should have a copy of that in front of you. No, I have another. I think. Thank you. I see them on the folks who had a chance to look through this as it was when it's in out last Friday. Thursday. Thursday. So everybody didn't have a chance to go through and look at this and are there any particular questions you'd like to address on this. There's one that we have to address and that's a section. It's on page 8. It's section 8, the first paragraph and Luke is asking in his comments if you want to describe what equipment you're going to allow people to still utilize it there. If they get a VWR and they're not terminated. So I put in there that you couldn't use city vehicles, but you could still use city equipment. And he said, do you want to define that city equipment that you might want to say just these equipment or you might just want to describe what a city vehicle is, because that's not in definition. You see, you can describe it as being straight legal vehicles, and then anything else that they could still do lives. How about you, said, equipment on city property. Can we define it as being on city property. Can we define it as being on city property? That such that you're in a, let's say a backhoe that you can't run that backhoe down the city street. But if you're at, if you're re-assigned or assigned to something like the collection station, but that backhoe doesn't leave the collection station, where that, do you know what I mean? Like, where is on, not, um, driveable down it. Not over the roof. Right. You're not putting, like, the person is not driving on city streets. But golf course park, collection station, JOK, if the tractor, the JOK, they could still operate that tractor out there, but it's on. If I just forget it, I'm going to drive it on the road right away. That's the terminology. What I can use in the equipment? No vehicles. No. I mean, if you don't have to drive in less, then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle, right? And city vehicle. So we know employee may operate city vehicle or equipment on a public road. Public road. Would that include roadways through parks? That's not a public roadway. I don't think we should be on what being a push should be on. I mean the roads that we have like through the do park are closed to the public. When it goes kind of through there is one that runs through that is a public thoroughfare, but Like at Robinson Park There's not really roadways, but there's a pretty good Mount Parking area you drive throughout there name I'm just asking the question Parking right well Parking space would still be public. It's public access. Right, I'm just going to go. Okay, why don't you just, why don't you just drop city vehicles and street legal vehicles and just don't let them drive city vehicle. You're going to let them drive city vehicles on parks and on the golf course and stuff. If you say city, if you describe City vehicles as just street legal vehicles then if somebody gets a DWI, they hadn't gone to court, they can't no longer drive a City vehicle no matter where it is, but they could still use equipment. or get us bridge kids so I think I mean don't kill make this harder than it is I think you can keep it simple you don't allow them to drive city if they don't have a driver's license and for mid-stem to drive they don't drive a city vehicle period. And they don't drive anything else on public roadways, limiting them to being on a backhoe attractor of whatever crime city property. Does that make sense? So we're called an equipment in vehicles to different things. Yes, yeah. But we don't want to get into the whole deal and equipment in vehicles two different things. Yes. Yeah. OK. But we don't want to get into the whole deal of motorized equipment being a chainsaw or like we talked about being a big astronaut. That's exactly what Luke said. And man, it's got to be said, you want to be careful with that because the way you describe it, you might prevent them from using a pump that's against high-pump and stuff. So we're're doing it. Yeah, we're doing it on the line. I think you can describe what job, if that's what you want to read. What did you do? John, you said basically, our care city and public work prohibited on public work way and in our own city vehicle. Or street legal vehicle? What, say that again? and are on city view or live or be it they're prohibited from driving a city vehicle and equipment on public roadway driving a city vehicle here is if they can hear you if they don't have a driver's license and equipment on public road. Yes, I can. Does that make sense? Is that certified? Then what didn't you not have in this specify? Is that a move to pray? and the rest of it you can see that the only thing I change is where it says you will fire somebody it says you might be still made but that's basically what we've changed. And so it's not under two. In a pumpkin victim you don't necessarily have to find. There are some other options but they're going to have to be agreeable to be tested. Be agreeable to look. Tested. And there are expense? Yes. Wouldn't get it. If you want to now a couple of what we did I guess you could Pass it like that, but if you want to see it and riding what it looks like we could get him to ride that up And they'll be on the next council. That's just a week from now. Is it just a week? It's two weeks. Two weeks? Yeah. It's okay. You have to pass it. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, you got that ordinance that's right. You have to have it. Knowing that scene wise. damage. You know what I'm saying, why? So, there would be on the first of August, for a part of August, we can always. Any other questions on that? Everybody satisfied with I think it's fair to you and everybody deserves a separate chance. Okay well I think it meets all the criteria that we had everybody had concerns over in our executive session so I think if we may, let's move on and we'll have that read up and ready for presentation at the next official city council meeting. OK. Next item on the agenda is the continuation on work on the budget. And when we left off, Josh, you were talking about stuff and hoping to get to the bottom of that particular page. But we didn't quite make it. You want to pick up where you left off. This one's new on you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, we continue to. So, notice I will have a lot of confusion with the Flexion Station with inside-outside, arguing the customers over whether they're inside or outside, thought about that the council is okay with it, just getting rid of that kind of margin inside and outside and having one fee. I did add on here, limbs and brush. That's blood at the all. I call it so too. I'm 50 cents cents cubic yard with chip it. So the second page is this. As you break down, look how much was sold when and where my food. And what the changes, if we change the rate structure, the effect of that one buggy for an unfold. When you say soul, what is that? In number, what's the issue anymore? It comes generated by people from the same. Yeah, somebody wrote soul, let's just pick anaphyries. There was 15 gallons of anaphyries brought out there. Okay. They're not there. You're in a position. It's not for anybody not put on here. That was October to July. Okay. Did you print this in there? Did you get that? I believe you. Okay. Got it. Got it. Yeah. I believe you are kind of it. Grant it in here. I thought you were in the wild. Is it this year? Yeah. Okay. You met the cell we sell in the referees to somebody else? No, that we... They bring referees we charge on. Two dollars a gallon of the伏. I didn't just get the bull. Yeah, I just got a lot of of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of That's why they look at it. So if we change all those rates In general rate in the three quarters of January $200 more Well a thousand for the year You can do a five pizza on that You can do a bug pizza on that. So the tires, I don't want to look at you. And good city. So it has to be an out of tire. Like a track. There's breakdowns. We got, yeah, we're going to add tires. We got heavy truck tires. We have fashion tires. Instead of your proposing basically all that we, it's, they'll still big broke down. All the tires will be broke down but say inside and outside. Like construction material right now it's 31 inside city limits. 41 outsides to say limits. What is your process to get rid of the tires? We are about $2 more than an invitation and we're right this second cost us about $4.00 here at the Here are the tires. That's a rough number. That's a rough number. I saw these were really short. I'll pass you the car tires. Which are 5.25 for car tires? I think it does. And charge is 4.25. And cost is about $4.00. And you're costing about 3.50. Honestly, that's how they're taking the... I'd rather than take a bit. Yes. That's why I'm going to be a little higher. I will say we want to give our customers a place to do this and invest in being an individual business and there's a few service to anyone. So just a talk. So, like, like, limbs of the brush. So, like, limbs and brush, you have commercial and outside where that's a negative. Yeah, because we're actually lowering the current. So like, Linson brush, you have commercial and outside where that's a negative. Yeah, because we're actually lowering the current Linson brush outside is very big. We're lower than my knowledge, so everybody plays big. And is that one just a little bit interesting? Yeah, it'd be the same thing on church or we're low and lower than outside of just a little bit and that comes from the free time But when it cost us We're not I mean we're hitting 350 a cubic yard only but commercial now So we're not, I mean we're hitting 350 a cubic yard only for commercial now. So what we're not seeing here is a picture of how much are we breaking it? We're paying 20 grand that brush check every year and we may $60, $700 and 9 months. Yeah, so what we're not seeing where we're seeing the revenue. We're not saying our expenses, purchases. The next page has the historical proper loss of punctuation. Oh, that's the interesting part. Yes. And then the proper loss less cap loss is all out like the project gear in that includes the 13,000 meters stuff that we did that the gun range and in the 16th for next year is actually improvements not very covering. So that's actually to see what the collection station does. What is this going to do to get the employee out there and where can we reset what? So if we go full middle middle with this, so basically option one kind of, I guess proposal one would be, it changes the rates, that would put our problem loss at $33,000 a year. If we close the legislation down to three days a week, we have a part composition in the street apartment. We'd have to allocate 10 more thousand of that position, but she could do work two days a week in the street. Where is the biggest, what cost us the money? Where is that biggest difference? Where does that come from? Staffing. Just the staffing? Staffing. Let me, we should be incorporating the staffing in cost of some of our cost of disposing. You're only transferring that staff into another department though. Yeah. So you're really not safe. You're not safe with anybody? Right. See the disposal fees were $70,000. So you can raise connections the dispose of those don't just operate on Apple Legend, 2000 to the shift remote. Is that something that you would get at something that's in the end? Yeah, that's an Apple Legend. Yeah, that page 21, 24, 24. Oh, no, really? I gave you a good start. Thank you, Paul. I'll never open the day when you're open, anyway. What are these proposed three days, Josh? I mean, thirty-five. Typically, one day is usual, say, I don't make sure. These days are hit and asked. When is it going to end? Yeah, already close to this day. Short term, Marty's absolutely correct, your transfer, or that salary today. The general fund, long term, when you replace that position, you replace them with part-time employees. Could she be utilized as a course inside? It might be nice to have a woman raise up there. What is the state of the gun language? Currently for some, it starts to cry gun range. Currently with some darkening brightest Saturday. In the near future when the county finishes their project out there, they'll have their separate gate and they can. Is that city property? There's next year. I'm going to give you a little bit of a little just get a bit different from what he used to do. So, if any of that it should shift in that direction. But it's not- That's why I consider this pretty department because we already have a part-time position up in there. She has a equipment experience. And they would only shift 10,000 ahead of the board. All right. They would only shift 10,000. Oh, alright. You're supposed to show up. Open up out there for 11 minutes. Thursday Friday Saturday. We should shift the money to the traffic. Thursday Friday Saturday. So we're not going to discuss this discussion earlier. I just take my kit though to cut down the amount of days they were open out there. Especially... I mean I love your problem solving my years of it. My day off is Monday. My first day back at work is Tuesday. And those are the days I've been disinterested in towards myself. You should shut down a lot of people in the days and what you realize. Because someone close on whiskey and they're always close on all the holidays. So you're out of the clothes for a week or a week. If we need more time. Next week, we've been lucky so far. I want to see you in the culture class. You all have a care package in front gate. And you all know the weather. Oh yeah. And now I'll show you the street. Down on the Pompeo Road. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I I'm not just saying that you just go back to the state of the chart, but even this out, this 4A is being set at $2,000, is that including these 3Ds? Yes. Which partly, maybe you looked in the third age of time around. But then the broad and honest look and voice, and you're right, there's a problem. And I'm going to say, it's been going to three deals. There are four. Now, the dollar and the money, we have to get the prize. How many times are there going to be prize? I'm going to give you one, and you know, I don't know. Okay. Is it baseball? Is it baseball? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Is it baseball? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Is it baseball? Is it baseball? I don't know. Is it baseball? Is it baseball? Is it baseball? you're gonna get that any okay you take days off there's somebody is going to be mad so you think for the employees sake to be Monday Tuesday or Sunday Monday your clothes I mean I have to get anybody to work out there because you get Sunday and Wednesday all. Right. Yeah. I propose it to her. So with the four year after I have to go to the legislation, yeah. And she's so used to it, she's like whatever. Yeah. I'm just going to start a lot if you're fine with it. Well, you know, to me, if we have some Monday closure and that coincides with virtually everything else in town, you know, to me, if we have some Monday closure, and that coincides with virtually everything else in town, you know, everybody else is set down on Sunday and Monday. So I would tend to think we'd make less people mad by having a double day closure like that and running them all together, you know, putting two say through Saturday. And, you know, if she does leave the hours, even then she might be familiar with the equipment. I thought to finish, didn't that the sea of long time have thought to give her a knock and push her back to the cabin. Yeah, so the cabin's proposing, closing the next day. So, going in here, can we charge 20 costs? I mean, that's what I'm looking for. I'm more lot of the steam we're headed to. It's just like, I'm going to get it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's keep the people taken to the dump. Well, I mean, I don't have to leave it on their property. And I don't, I, I don't know, I'm not a number. You tell me, I'm just asking you to blow a picture. What does it look like if we get closer to what it costs. Now realize part of this is a cost, you know, a making happy. A amenity? And amenity? Amenity. Yeah. So it really means like the cost for philanthropy, it's not going to be profitable necessarily. But can we get closer and suddenly? Yes, can you? What is that you're in an exchange? Or you're exchanging? It's kind of different than the land technique away right the Atlantic yeah somebody brings something out and it's a one-in-one out and we're paying when it we're not paying I mean if we're not bringing in at least what we're paying to take it out not saying make anything off of it yeah but if we're not at least at a fair minimum covering our cost to dispose of it I mean, but we don't I mean can you don't know Between what it's broke down? You don't know where your true losses which section of the I mean the only ones that really matter for but the limbs and brush construction materials. Because they're the only ones that are going to be involved in the consequences. Okay. Yeah, that was just us. So, limbs and then limbs and brush, you have more commercial outside, versus construction materials where you have more inside. So I would focus on limbs and brunch, maybe to bump that up. To help each person. And I don't know what the consequence of that would be. You know, we have very little storm damage in the food. But last year we were calculating QB charge on a truck full of brushes. Like I don't know. So last year we went from nothing to charging to big to residual emits and I asked it a month and it was back on council date. I'm not going to take it off. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We put charging for live inversion, so that's really good. Yeah. But we're still paying to have a check. Right, it's not. The metal being re-ducked in metal. What do we get in our profile? Yes, it's not. We get part of the time on the metal. But that's factor named to the bottom line, not 80%. That's a time. It's where the redness, yeah. The dumpster is probably behind the hood. There. Cool, go through the hood, go through the hood. But I think it's totally hazardous. Well, I can't think of any more increases in fees. I mean, I understand we'll look better here. I think that's reasonable. But I think we try to break even and do that fees. We'll have the jumpiest town. We'll move. But then you really need to consider three days a week stronger for what is she doing for the fifth day? She's there five days. Right. If you go to four. Yeah, four or three, my proposal would be street apartment. I've got a part. Either way, you're okay with one. Yeah, okay. I've got a part time open street apartment. I really need to fix somebody on the sweeper and I would prefer it to be a full-time city employee because the expense piece would yeah it would be sweeping on it yeah she doesn't have any problem with having a foot man. Right in the day, you can do laser room along the road. Okay. Well, you know, this is a point of making some tough calls. So you know, you gotta get that sort of thing. I'm gonna talk to you a little bit here. You gotta get the... You gotta get the things down. Like that's more of a check out chest, I'm checking, because in the future when you replace, when you retire, you're replaced with part time employee. So the problem with, I mean, four days a week, you're still quite a lot. You're quite a ways up, you're still four days a week. Right? And if you start, and if you recoup that fees, you run the risk of going the other way where people start using it, and you're not getting the revenue, then you're further upside down. I mean, if you, I don't know, you know, I think if you have a three days a week and you keep the fees as low as possible and that's the way we sell that And then you use her the other two days for the part time that you need you need work done I mean, I think that's the best option Now you're only three days a week being available. Yeah. I got 40 since I was a child. That's your problem. I met your mom. Did she give you a different grade, pay grade, or money? I do it in a different job. Oh, really? Probably not. Kind of the same classification. I think that's a little bit better. Mm-hmm. Now back for our board. I'm going to have to go to the bathroom. I'm going to have to go to the bathroom. I'm going to have to go to the bathroom. I'm going to have to go to the bathroom. I'm going to hear some So it's either Greg about the price of a $1,000,000, or Greg about the days that they're open. And they're happy with the Wednesday Sunday, though, because that's what they want to do right now. Right. And maintenance. Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. And it's pretty good. And it's pretty good. Yeah. It's one of those, I don't think there's a good solution. Yeah, there's not a good solution. That's good. On student doing jumping, it takes you to take stuff and maybe just go to the four days a week and see how it works and, you know, the basics. I don't know if you need to. Be radical about it. I think we need to be really, really, really well. It's been bleeding for a while. Yeah. Oh, no, we're not. It doesn't. So that's, I mean, the four days is a good step in the right direction. And then maybe you're going to have the rates of it just look like you can't bring them over very fast. Now, just doing what we did is a big change. It's pretty good height, right? Yeah, for the end, yeah, the 10 pounds. Right. And they're going to get kicked back on brush. That's it. So we're going to get, you're going to get, you're going to get, you're going to get, we're going to get, we're going to get, we're going to get, we're going to get, we're going to get, we're going to get, we're going to get, we're going to get, we're going to be in the gym. There's a spout over there. Why? I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be in the gym. I'll be What exactly one of you is, it's a little bit of that. What's the way you're gonna say, gee, let's, you know, I'm gonna do a little tap up and pick it up at once. That's the thing. It's very complicated because if you take empty boxes out there, you get charged to same amount. And then you were gonna have a brush. No, no, no. Yeah, I was saying it's the same. I mean, as if you took it neatly stacked everything you got every square inch out of your You know, what if your eyes take stuff and come with your pain for you? Well, you're actually trying to really try and pack Yeah, right. Yeah, I know I think you start to go with the cost for load I really get real unfair for people who are bringing out you know bringing out you know yeah problem not there but we were not keeping that and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and We did some, we did some more rush this year and we probably have. And then we need to do some more. Okay, we'll wait. We don't know. Okay. I did add a loving dream here. Uh-huh. Because right now we're loading for free. Ah. Okay. And next year, the other is a fine mulch feed, because next year we're going to try to grind a part of it smaller and then it's going to be a bit of a grinded wise. Oh yeah, that's one of them. Wow. But it's a baby step. There's like 5,000 dollars for mulch that we're going in grindups smaller than the sea with animals. So half of them proposed to move on just four days a week and come back to the sea after we've had those more times just. What is it? Four times at work still coming though grind really hard and coming to counseling and we'll go back to what we had. Because we've done that before. But you're compromising the four days. And I think if you, we're trying to cut our losses here. It's not, I mean, it's not like we're trying to do our citizens to disservice. Do you either want to pay more to bring yourself out here? Are you good when you're compromising less less days of doing things? Yeah, and when you present it like that, to people who are driving, you can say, OK, well, we can be open a lot more, but it's going to cost you four times as much as what you've been paying. Are you wanting to do that? We're taking a loss anyways. You know? And again, given her two days in a row, I'm a little bit free. I mean, she's the Sunday. That's it. Yeah. That's it. It's Sunday. Okay, so what's the consensus now so we can move on with this? I proposed the four days, I mean like what we're talking about, one just consider what those four days are. I don't know if you want to open it up to the generates people in CAA, we're going to go to our four days a week. We're at least going to do Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Thank you. We've got to go to the Thursday Friday Saturday. Uh, thank you. You're going to be able to afford these weeks for your four-room. I think it is. That's why we're going to do Thursday Friday Friday. Yeah. I don't know. And I think we, like I said, communication, I don't know how we get this put it from us, but we've lost it everywhere, Facebook, and the newspaper, and then, uh, plastered everywhere, Facebook, and the newspaper and in the bills and everywhere and they have really, you know, just have to communicate this to them. Okay, so everybody's kind of set on the four day a week. Is that the only thing we're changing? We're changing the fees? I mean, I think you kind of have to go, you have to go to post fees or you're not helping yourself or anything like that. Yeah. As much as it's just tasteful, I mean, God's certainly, I think, kind of looked at this thing and I think it's probably, it is a viable or a couple solutions, study the greatest solution, but there is a good one. So, you know, I think you just got to bite the bulldozer of some of this stuff and you're going to know people are going to yell at you and say, well, you know, that's the way it is. You don't like it when for counsel. So. And then they get to look at my words and say, oh wait, where are we doing that? Well yeah, seeing all these have parentheses that were there and we asked for. Yeah, this is custom to crap out of the city. We got to staunch the bleeding here just a bit, you know. So the right stain, the same one that's going to four days a week. That was right. I think the proposed right going to four days a week. No, that was right. I think the proposed rights need to be adopted too. Four days with the proposed rights. It's a woman evening and inside outside. Getting it down to 17,000 dollars and so. Okay. Okay Josh, you got anything else? Yeah, he's making a promise to me about that. The program I like to go with. Okay, Josh, you got anything else? Yeah, he's making fun of us. I'm gonna put that down next to him. Yeah, so the only thing I had that we had questions about was his flight statement in the Matthews' page, or kind of like, kind of finalize the number of people were looking at, because they do main problems as everybody has, or people have in their water and sewer tap going out. So, I think this is kind of like a disaster to cause. So, this is not, I don't know how to get it. You do want from the, you want to do the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last Yeah, last. Okay. You been for this nice parkour figure? Yes. So this is from Wisconsin. This is for more. These are not current calls to do more calls. I had some council's in the floor. They're not. They're going in. It's not. It's March. Yep. I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's March. Yep. Okay. Oh. But on everyone, I have a more losing money. So where are we starting? Are you going to start with the sheet? I haven't looked at it yet. I don't think this should matter. It's a very current fee, and our actual cost. The Master of Preest schedule doesn't match this, because this is a proposal in March. The Master of Preest schedule will have pretty much everything. So the table is probably your best but to look at good numbers. Because we know. Not the proposed. Yeah, the proposed is actually went up. 3rd, 6th, 22th, 15th what's in the report. But don't want to know that at all. Yeah. And instead of reinventing the bill, it's getting a sudden development. And that's still wrong. Open. I don't know where we have the order. It's the old ones already. I did think so. There's still a lot of money in here. Yeah. But what is it? Okay, so that first number is 36. 22. Okay. So we're just saying, you're 3500 to 3612. Okay. The next number is thirty nine thirty three and we're losing a thousand on inch,300. So we'll only then on two minutes. Okay. So we'll see. Okay. Okay. There's a little bit of a hole in the middle. There's a little bit of a hole in the middle. There's a little bit of a hole in the middle. There's a little bit of's just the last version. It's the current beauty plus the vector pump up. But if we did it, okay. Yeah, everything's from proposed, It's proposed 10% percent. Yeah. Okay. Okay. They could be, but they're not within the month of the year. 73. Now wait, which current is he at some point? What we're doing currently? All the, all the tattered on the air based on the proposed of Master Risk Digital is current and actual. The first two calls and that actual is from March. So it's kind of, it's kind of even a low number of that. But what you're proposing in the new, but the new T schedule, the speed schedule, three and a half percent. Every half is it. Over the current, please. So is that this member? No, that is. So there are so much threshold facts. This number plus three, or so is that number? Yeah, but just to be clear for everyone, on a three-quarter water tap, if we're looking at March actual cost versus what we're proposing, we're losing $46 everyone. On a one-inch water tap, we're losing $408 on every one. On an inch and a half tap, $1,000 or 13, and then a two-inch, two-setting, three. I think that's the last time I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I've been here. I costs of your services. You have to look at it from a business perspective. You can't stay in business if you're charging less than what it costs you. You know, and we have the city operating it. Hopefully as a business in terms of business minded this, but with the service orientation and not looking for a profit. But we can't lose money like we're losing and not charge people with a cost. I mean that's just the bottom line. Everything is going up, you know, groceries are 30% more this year than they were a year ago. So when we're talking about raising our rates on some of the stuff three and a half percent, I don't really think it should be much equivocation. If people are mad about it, get mad at everything else is going up too. You know, that's just so it is. So Kelly brings up a point. What's involved with the actual cost? Is that the high growth? I've grown down, yes. High blood pressure, and ground level. Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't do it. All right. So it's not just one thing. It's not just the I'm a patient and gravel. Oh, OK. Oh, I didn't do it. All right. So it's not just one thing. It's not just a lot. It's so like, OK. You know, it's hard. It's a major or a big gap. Fuel cost, everything is gone. So if we don't raise our rates, and we need to do it every year, according to whatever the CPI goes up, if we don't then we're gonna have a big Huge bite at one time. Well, if you don't go out of the wastewater build your stuff You have a high-end CPI is there an half percent if you don't go about the CPI You're never gonna catch up right our cost went up We're still making a toast to grants in the Philippines. We as a city are not losing money at the end. On this we are in the grant as the big picture. We are not in a deficit. We're not in a deficit, but we're also not making improvements. We're not reinvesting into improvements that we can make. We can't go out and repair streets. I mean, we can do pothole and patching repair. We can't do anything with our streets, except we'll go out for our five million dollar. I mean, we can't, there's things we can't go in and redo our lines or waste our lines and make, you know, any 10 foot or 500 foot of improvements to any gain, because we're kind of, meaning essence, we're kind of breaking even. So this year we're budgeting 430,000 dollars loss in the general fund and 170,000 dollars loss in the utility fund. So the places where you're bleeding, it's where you got to focus. If you've got places you're bleeding, you're trying to correct that. And to free up the rest of the... I mean, if you don't go five, you're far from a high. And that's what we've been. I mean, the old guy has last year, he didn't do anything. He's been 35 for what? Three, a real third year? As we said, that's what year, he didn't do anything. He's been 35 for what? Three, are we on the third year? As we said, that's what got us here in the first place. And it's even before not doing anything last year, his both, all of the previous years, I'm not ever doing anything. Then you finally get the right study done, and you're behind the curve. And then people are shocked because you've made one drastic increase and you're trying to do the gradual increases. And then you get hit with no one on the support list and you're behind the curve again. So then it's another trying to catch up to the curve. I mean, it's that constant, but because we over here are constantly changing and our ideas are changing. Aren't we supposed to take a significant increase on lower debt fees? It's just a never ending... We've talked about the five about the budget last year. I'm in charge of that. I would be very interested to see the slide of this. I mean, what you have to say, what his numbers were, I would be very interested to see the same breakdown for electrical tap. I think on the back there, that in the back there's the first thing that I'm going to say. Yeah. Well, I'm okay with that. And I'm going to be very close to it. And your biggest losses are in your larger taps. The thought I had is the blended approach. These two we do 5%, but the bigger taps the more you lose the most money you make it just a straight a larger adjustment but I also don't know Where those apply Typically anything over Well, you know I'm sitting here looking at the half-piece schedule comparing Lano to Sansa, a Fredericks Berkberg and Mason or Chubay, more or more called. A lot of these they're doing a cost plus basis and you know if we did that that would make life a lot easier. We wouldn't have to try and squeeze this in. It's just that's where it costs. You can't argue with that. You can show people. Here's the cost. And then we're going to add this on it because we've got to have money. Why can't we do that in a way? That doesn't look like a lot of work on it. Yeah, it's been called the time when the time was in the past to get it. somebody has to go out, they have to estimate it, and it makes it on the condition of where the tabs go and what they're asking which changes. Well, we could say you can give it a minute to make a pause to say it's going to be in this ballpark. Or if it's a ballpark, we can do a percentage increase. If this is a call, we'll make our tab at least whatever our call is. Even if they're not like 3.5% or whatever the increase is of the car here, maybe it needs to be whatever the action call is going for. So you've been three years without any kind of increase. Now we did do a live straight out shot at home. Here before that, we did neither just 1% or before we did. I like that. But you're still, like I a set the larger taps. You're still like how much do you say the difference was on this? And the inch and a half was a thousand just over a thousand dollars. So perhaps it doesn't get make up thousand dollars. No, that's what I said maybe I'm just a task and you a specific. Yeah, because I mean, okay, a the record, you're losing 46 bucks. Okay, 46 bucks. I mean, that kind of, you're really close to your cost. I mean, that kind of does. You can, up or down, the key price is $30,000. You're never going to make it $36,000, you're going to go up here. But, I'm not sure. So, when you go in and you are sitting in a hat and it goes in an area that you know has potential growth. Even though there are only questions in the three quarter inch, you might want to put in something else, a little bigger to have that to throw. So those one house, one house. Yeah, there's a tab which goes to one. So it's one pretty simple. So that's because of the guys from trouble on meteor by the end of the hospital. It was just like, I don't know. That serves a meter, water meter place. So that's the path of the water. OK, so you can walk in. No, no, no. That's not going to help the house. He's getting a water meter, one mile feet, that one. Not utility extension, not utility extension. Yeah, like we don't get anything. Okay. I mean, six inches, six inches small, then it goes on the ground, except for like, special sort of upstands. It's the last block of eights. That's not growing. Well. So, they got two inch replaced, but they got a six inch, up to the last block. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. This is so, typically new construction. If you take, if you take embarrassing death, you're very in suggestion and you go to cost. So like said, the normal house taps, yeah, they're going up, but you were going to be pretty close to that end. So they're going to go a little bit more. You might, but I don't know what even more percentage goes. Instead of three and a half it's gonna be maybe six I don't know but then you're bringing ones where you're really losing your rear on up to where they need to be and this is I'm assuming this could be something it's like you're you're gonna have costs and tierles as you do these and you can review them next year like how far off we are and then we just make a judgment call hey we're still pretty close we're gonna leave it alone this year one this year. Yeah, I think. Typically once certain, I'll take leave every around watching around, I go get the cost. So fear coming. If you're home building, you're wanting to know what the tech is and we're going to charge and board it, acutely cost. Is there a deep look off? If you've been known what you're talking, if you're talking to a at each line is it tired in a four inch line or two inch line so you do it and not all know till they come in or you're gonna look in I'm gonna let you spoke a little bit yeah I forgot what your your proposed cost is now leave it yeah instead of all right well in three more than six months're going to be losing 10% not. All right. The problem with doing by what it actually cost you, you have to estimate each one. We lose money on the labor, that's the thing that's going to cost you. Well, not just the labor, but the opportunity cost of what else they can be doing while they're doing that. Then it's also an estimate. Yeah. And then you're a good man at doing this job. And then do you have to honor that? I do. So I flat feet bring it up to the current rates, is probably what I feel like is probably as much. Current rates is a large, whichever one you have. What do you have? We're not going to be talking all of this, right? What do you want? Do you better get some information? I have to make a post or whatever to just get the March numbers in the small. I'm not sure if it's one of them. Okay. So it should be one of them. I'm not saying current cost, I mean the numbers I'm looking at. Okay, the only other thing I was talking about council pay, I needed the back budget, I think after he had some parents, and I'm happy before we're out there. I know I had two, but I want to add that I think it would be, it might be helpful to keep your account open instead of doing it on a $100 dollar a month, $50.00, and that's what, it cuts down on the craziness of, okay, let's meet the sleepless mate and try to get it all in a little bit. No. And I don't know how many meetings I'll have now. I'm just not that in the end. So I don't know what that is, but it looks like I really get $50 for being here today. Yes, sir. Yes sir. I did. But again, possibly it could have done it in a regular meeting, it's just going to go longer. Yeah, correct. So this is more convenience. I mean, how about we double it and we only have one meat. It's really long. Great. I think because that's the great part of the day. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. I'm in the year because we didn't have a whole lot going on. Yeah. Can you think about that? I've never seen a reason really long ago. I was a bit happy. I can run in orbit. I would just leave it. I mean, my career is really good. Mine too. I think you're just ant-opening the can of worms. And nobody's going to really get any more money to speak of. I mean, you know. Well, I don't mind discussing it but I do feel like after the comparison you sit and think it's, I think we're good. Yeah, okay. We're going to change our mind in the boat as I edit the JOK fractures. So, that's a little road we can do. Okay. I don't know if I can sleep in the morning. We're going to be under the sun. So we are good with it. Okay, so then we're pretty much lined out what we're gonna do. We'll bring a budget to vote on 14 long. Did you put remnew in selling that out tractor? That's what I did have to do. Okay. Is it possible to transfer that out tractoracks? No, it would be a big step to the year four. Because they say it's a big step. Okay. Okay, I'm good with that. The only other thing that has the next outcome meeting you'll have to do is you're proposed tax rate. You'll have to propose the tax rate. But I think the number's still to 20,000. Okay, I don't know that. And we'll. They all want to do in August and not have so much. Well, we get it out of the way, unlike the... Okay. So, we're going to do the budget and the tax rate. So, we're going to do the tax rate. So, we're going to do the tax rate. So, we're going to do the tax rate. So, we're going to do the tax rate. So, we get it out of the way. I'd like to. So we're going to do the budget and the tax right wing. So, carry on. Any other questions or comments? Yeah. We had asked to for the list of kind of needs versus walks or whatever. I can't make sure I sitting from what was going to be talking about before we was put in here. And was that, that's not in your right hand? Those are new mail, right? Which they had. Oh, that was an email? Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to sit in this video. Yeah, I came out of a win, so there's something that's written. For real quick. Yeah, it's written by a... I don't know, I can't go into a ride like constantly, I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. Because I only have four you know to keep up with. Right. Because it would be fun. Okay, cool. Oh, you know, I'll- They came from me and she carried us to me and I think, you know, we had a lot of what was actually stayed in the Dr. Scott Hoops and the mayor. And Senator? I don't know. If this is not really a budget, but I would really like to see what we can find out about getting kind of a grant or working for that for a new pool or a pick for the pool. Yeah, and we absolutely need to start thinking about how to fix the pool problem because there's nothing going to fix except the new pool. And that's going to be a pricey little proposition for us. Parks and wildlife hasn't right now, but it's 50, 50, man. Well, you know what? The council missed an opportunity to get 500 $1,000. I don't know. Or maybe it's too, excuse me, it was $250,000. And that was $50,000, $50,000 back then. It would have cost us a whole lot of less if we would. And if we wait another 10 years or five years, five years, we'll still have to do this. So I would say, let's get that done. and maybe we can get connected with the parks committee and maybe we just relocate. We actually have a meeting with the parks project tomorrow and we've discussed relocating the pool. One of the things that we tried last year was to purchase a piece of property next to Baddie Park over here for relocating the pool to more centralized town location And I would personally like to see if we could come up with an all season pool to be used all year long for aerobics and other things as well. Anyway, that's a really expensive proposition And so we got to figure out where to get the money. I think one of the things we can do on that subject is we can begin to really begin to talk about this so that the people in the community have an opportunity to have participation in this. And if we get people participating in it, doing fundraisers and other things like that, if we can get some of the civic groups involved in helping to raise funds for it. We can make this thing happen just like what we did with the J.O.K. We pulled in money from other sources in the community other than our city tax dollars which we didn't have any to spend on it and I'm very pleased with what's happening out there so we know we just need to we need to talk it up. We need to be telling people we have got to have any pool. That one was minted in 1955 and it's just way beyond its useful years. So one thing I'd love to see the planning meeting crews that we had under or so ago, back in Kelly was doing the mayor thing that's kind of died on the line. And that's where our priorities show up. That's where we get to look at our plan. That's our plan. And if you don't have a plan, you have nothing to look at. If you're not looking at your plan, you just pull it into this out of the air and that over there and it's like, is that our priority? I mean not quite to see a new pool, but we also need manners here for too. Well, we need another bridge from the room, so... I want to have two rooms. Huh? And one room's three rooms. And an elevator, right? Yeah. Like the elevator. Like the elevator? Yeah, we need to bring that. And part to our matter. Yes. And I know that Charlie has passed out of his involvement, but it just happened. We have two members drafting. I have to have that. And you just say, you know, you've got down, you know, okay? We had completed the plan. Now, it may be changed, but we had completed. I made all the storyboards up so we could use that as a public. Oh, okay. Okay. All that is finished. Okay. But that's the last thing I can remember. public. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay and they can see that's what City Council wants, if they can agree what's in there. If they don't, it's not that we can change whatever it is that needs to be changed. Do we have that question you're asking? And can we consider what's one on you pool? We're going to have them go pool, and that's a part of the government plan, and they can see the vote for right now, or you can get a part of a presentation. We need a presentation. We're apparently no one, or we're having anyone in. How they do want to go. Just ask you to put their priorities. That's all it is. I don't know. That's a town meeting where we discuss what our problem is. And that's where we work. Yeah, right? We work on the site. We work on the site. We work on the site. We work on the site I don't have to worry about it. You were told you were going to do that. You guys have to look at it and then, in front of you, you decide that you know over when you're going to do it, it kind of died. I don't have a problem continuing to do it because I put all of the more together in my life. Yeah. I don't mean to be the back down there. I think they're about a pool, but you a year just to run it. So if you're keeping it up, I'll tell you. I'll tell you all the time. So we really need some ritual gees or to move in to Canada and die. Yeah, but then you might support it or to everybody. Right? Yeah, no, no, the coffee initial, my favorite things and stuff like that. And you realize it's kind of like a double energy bill that they'll come. So and stuff like that and he said if you realize it, it's kind of like a battle of energy build until comes. So, you know, there's always, if there's always a caveat, you know, not having it and not being able to use the approach of. Well, we've exceeded our three minutes of non-indeed eye of this country. We mentioned that. We mentioned that. All right, and we're planning for a new year. I'm going to put it in there. Everything So I think we're done with our budget workshop sessions. And I think we've had a gotten through with him. You're a green. Yes, I have to say thank you very much to you and your staff for putting together a very comprehensive package. It makes it easy to go through and look at this stuff. So thank you very much. I'm very honored to have you. Thank you. You're amazing. All right. And if this will consider ourselves a journey, thank you all. Thank you all. We'll see you in the next video. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck, Gerner.