Okay, I've got 902 AM. We will reconvene in open session for the FY 2025 budget development workshops. We'll begin this morning with AgriLife and we've got Mr. Robert Ferguson here from AgriLife. Robert, I'm going to turn it over to you. So, good morning, thank you all for hearing me out today. I didn't, in my original request, I actually did an aspirate claim. I actually spent our budget $5,000. But I got to, look out about the portion of it, I'm looking at it for you. I'm asking for the work to consider possibly purchasing a multi-seat vehicle, talking multi-seat, talking eight over eight people, AOR over to help the extension service and the voyage program travel and help kids around. I thank you over the last year, we've had more than 14 times that we've had in the whole, or borrow some of somebody's expeditions, or even, a lot more kids than just, you know, original four people. So in saying that, we're trying to justify why something over four people will, I mean, the fact of the matter is, if we take one team to a competition, that's four people. Two teams say, and so on and so forth. They're four person teams. So a suburban to the Bayon or something that since would be more beneficial to us instead of having put the strain on our parents, our volunteers, and borrow their rigs to call their kids across state, basically. I know that we just got back to Friday from campus. Our son, they came to a couple of camps this summer already and they're actually leaving to go to summer fun today or a trip that these kids earned and deserve for completing their voice record book, which is what our record thought. So there'll be multi volunteers helping halls in these kids this summer fun as a reward record for leading this record book. We took just to like, surges, versus our older camp. We took 16, that's like, well, both kids to search had to get somebody to borrow their go there to get them all all back and there. And then we just got back from our county camp, which is the younger kids, and we hold, see here, I think 13, 14, so my self-becky and then volunteer all went just to all the kids to this camp. I mean, we hope kids all over the state from Houston all about to Amarillo to national trips. We've had kids call qualified to Louisville to Oklahoma to absorb in which is in Nebraska. All over the state nation just trying to represent Coral County in different perspective events with our kids with our kids, with our forced kids. I mean, come down to it. This is an ask for forage because it is something that the forage program needs. We have grown this forage program in the last couple of years with the addition of Becky and Donna and our full office. So it's something that to continue to grow and not put the burden on our parents, it would be something that I would ask because forage considered a lot of the other things to continue to grow and not put the burden on our parents, it would be something that I would ask because courts consider the law of the government to do some sort of multi-passager vehicle, something that would just be used for 4-H advance, anything on children, basically, that would be pretty much it. I mean, I've got some different statistics, different to a vantage point through basically everything we go through, we take one to fix or to think normally. And so I've got to pay me more're the likely. Um, which I've come from this, but I can't say exactly how many gets called us state around the entire entire year, but it's it's quite, quite pig. I'm never gonna get to home. Um, and some of our parents, they're, they're barred apartments that were born or even at the age. So we're looking at, you know, normally the kids straight in on the side of them, the perfect down volunteers of our experiments, there is not just recent questions. I'm thinking about that. Civil side of the pool gives the vaccine. And there's any questions concerning this? I'd be more happy. It's room, I mean, it's something that I think that are all basically really used to benefit from whether it whatever it may be. I know that last year that this was a talk as well and in our mind we got put $6,000 out into our budget for full maintenance fuel. We thought that that was more for maintenance fuel. We thought that was more for said vehicle that never made it into our session. So that's never got touched. That's the reason that if you look at it is still there. I'm not one for just to go taking money out of a lot of them just because we need to move stuff around. We try to stick to what we have. So that's the reason we let that never touch that $6,000. We did talk about possibly renting their tools, but the coast is placed to rent. It's gonna be way more difficult to clean. And to get anything bigger than like a Honda Pilot is standing there in Boston. You put three kids in a Honda Pilot, and that vaccine is gonna be tight. So that's the reason we really hadn't looked at it. You know, it was brought up, it was looked at, we did take a look at it and talking to other counties that try to rip bands, I think nine out of that, and I ran to think it cancels it. So they don't need to use it. Because they're not readily available. I mean, they have to be around it. Same here, pretty local, somebody go get it, bring it over there, just so we like to. So, that means that I'll answer any questions you'll got as far as this request. So, you said about rent, and you kind of like, I'm just a general into living place one, not the only one, I don't know how much that calls, other than your experience. And I I actually least less as far as Lisa, Lisa, you know, the land. The question I got on it is, is it the 15th, the last year, will it come in interest? Well, I mean, we, well, we would, we would have to, I mean, we would add it to our insurance policy. Well, I mean, I, I mean, I would add it to our insurance policy. Well, I mean, I mean, I can disclose the stuff. The whole year's schools insurance will not cover 15 back-to-date. They'll cover 14 that they won't cover. But why? Well, okay. The little that I know about it is there is a cutoff about the number of passengers. So when they say a 15 passenger van, my understanding is that's a driver and 14. It's so because if you go over that, then that requires a level of CDL of some time. That's my understanding. I'm not saying that I'm I mean, they'll cover a small bus, like a 14-pastured bus, but it won't cover the van. And that's why I'm asking that question. Then there may be some school related stuff in the type of vehicle that it is because you can get those, duly short bus things out there. They'll cover those, but they won't cover like a transit van. Right. Because one is designed to certain specifications and one isn't. So that would be my guess. Well, I'm talking about like four good drives. You see it a lot here in town. It's a single wheel. Yep. Well, the feels they share won't cover. Well, it's the single wheel. Yep. Well, the wheels in here won't come. Well, if they're over 14, 14, total or 15 in the driver. And this is 14, they don't specify. Gotcha. And that, I mean, the, my opinion of man would probably suit you better than a suburban. I mean, we're also looking at it to the fact that is you know God did something where it happened you know our insurance is kind of been the one to eat and cost is something where it happened as far as a wreck and now 4-H does have liability insurance but that's who decided does it stop the one we're doing something about it because we've all been there. They've got to rank, you know, our personal pockets are really not that problem. And you know, adding something like this, it does help work out employee. We do certain certain things that we don't, we can get covered by text data, my live extension and then being also okay employees as well and kind of helps as well. It just kind of helps them. It's not doing. So, it's going. Going back to our discussions last year, you know, what I believe the court was in, it courts intent was when we, when we gave you a fuel and maintenance kind of budget is that every life would pursue some type of maybe fundraising program to raise the funds necessary to purchase the vehicle and the event that y'all were able to do that. That there was fuel maintenance money that was there available. So my first question is, has AgriLife all of y'all's total, have y'all implemented a program or a plan or pursued a project to raise funds to purchase a vehicle. So we did discuss it last year about possibly looking at a fundraiser. But the reason that we have never really gone through with it is that our budget calendar for the 4-H program it takes a lot of money to run these kids around and we're very to to just pay for some of their stuff like some of these kids get complete reimbursements back on certain projects. They get half of the reimbursements back on Roundup. So to, I mean, I hate to say this, but then you got 900 other decisions all asking for money through certain organizations in this town. How many times do you go to be asked to borrow a thousand dollars or you know, give me 20 bucks or $40 or $100. I mean, it's just kind of to the point where we're already asking for money just to run our budget. So we didn't pursue the vehicle as well. And I'm saying I'll say that we can't try that again. Look at it a little deeper. It's just something that we did not feel like we should continue to build the citizens and the businesses of this town just to keep asking for for abundance. And this this will lead into kind of my next part of that is you know if if I were to go over to the jail right now I mean they take any jail in the state you know and you pulled and you said hey how many of you that are here involuntarily, not the employees that those are there involuntarily. How many of you participate in 4-H program is a voluntary program. I mean, you know, kids and parents and families sign up to this for this. So what goes on in my head is, you know, how much, and it's not a significant burden. Don't give it wrong. We're not talking about, you know, hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars, but we're talking about you know purchase and asset and and assuming some liability that we're going to disperse across all the taxpayers when it's really only benefiting Those that volunteer to be in the program that choose to be in the program So if there were and riddle me there, I'm just spitballing here. So riddle me this. If if we did purchase this, you know, we provide transportation for your child. There's a dollar fee or two dollar fee. Something to help offset the cost because now the parent is relieved of the responsibility of transporting their child. Because at the end of the day, that's the parents responsibility, even though I do appreciate that you and Donna and Becky, y'all go way above and beyond. No doubt. I'll never come not questioning that at all. But if we're saying that we're gonna have a county asset dedicated, I think there should be some, um, what's word I'm using for that. I mean, yeah, from those that are benefiting from that because, you know, and I, I'm, I'm, I use, And I use my mom as an example. My mom's a taxpayer, you know, and she doesn't have kids in the 4-H program. She, I mean, she's probably not the full-Rage Program is. But we're going to take a smidgen of her tax dollars to augment this program, which I think is worthwhile. Overall, it's worthwhile. But is, are we doing anything to like, you know, kind of backfill that tax dollar amount? Because I really think in the grand scheme of things, over a two to three year period, depending on, you know, I mean, we haven't sat down really talked to the numbers, the numbers of trips. But with a very diminimous, very small amount, probably paid for a van. I mean, you know, but I would also, part of my thinking too, and I mean, all of you weigh in, I mean, part of me says like, you know, maybe even if this is a match program where, okay, if you raise x number dollars, we will match x number of dollars. There's gotta be some. Is that bottom one? That.'s you know 50 match you know something because I don't I hope this doesn't sound like I'm 4-H bashing because I'm not. I'll have to get the address to respond to at least the buy-in if they have to go ahead. We'll go ahead. I mean, I've said no. You say 4-H buy-in and we do have 4-H buy-in already in place. And that's in the fact that they pay $25 to the members of our 4-H program at the end of it. plus on top of the registration fees available, pay to go to this stuff. Search can cost $320 less than this to go to. So the buy-in is already there. These kids want to go. Now the reason our program is so successful is because of we hold those children everywhere. And we do not, and we relate on those four years to do it. I mean, I hate to say it, but our program will not be where it is today. And there's a lot of programs in our block where we are today. We are one of the smaller counties, not the smallest county, but we're a smaller county consistent with on the higher population side. And we have more of the members than some of our bigger counties do. And it's because of the way that we run our program as far as Holland Archaeids everywhere, trying to give them every opportunity that they have to compete in whatever it is they want to compete in. Now, I'm not saying that we would be able to haul everywhere every time, especially when it comes to stock show competitions, because some of those are on top of everything else. Like this year, I've already got budget, or I've already got schedules out. And I'm going to have to sacrifice one show to go to another to support our 30 somewhat kids here versus our back kids here. Hey, because I'm going to have to miss my favorite show of the year, which is going to be for worse and go to San Antonio because I'll have 30 somewhat kids going to San Antonio to pee versus those five there. It's just not possible. So we're going to have to rely on those volunteers to help us regardless. But with the persistence that we actually all these kids everywhere is where our program excels at night from the time that's just my remote diet. No, I mean, no, I appreciate that. I mean, you know, it just to me goes back to It just to me goes back to number one it is and I do I acknowledge that we've I've seen it grow over the past six, seven years, eight years that I've kind of been following along. And I don't know how many you you know if you are aware of it or not, but when you talk about Query Old County and the size of Query Old County, and at some of the levels of competition that we've competed at, and not just competed, but we've kicked people's tails. I mean, really like, you know, we're not talking about, what was it, two years ago, three years ago, oh, forget her name now. I think she ended up like number two in the state. The team was like number one in the state. Well, there's that one and then there's the, what's the state name that spelled backwards that we won that one? that we won that one. Oh, it's urban. Yeah, it's an exorbitant that Nebraska spelled backwards. Is that right, exorbitant? I mean, won the national championship there. I mean, it's really pretty phenomenal, because these kids aren't coming out of wherever the king ranch is, and they're not coming out of Harris County, Dallas County, I mean, you know, the little royal county. And I want to continue to encourage that, but when we talk about allocating assets, that's that's what I'm trying to get at is without splitting hairs over a pretty minimal amount. a pretty minimal amount. Um, I think it's the great discussion. I know there's a great need for it. I've been involved in for a long, long time. I know where these kids go and I know what they represent. And you're right. The people in the jail following H. Bill 4 H. But I do I look at it as an asset because they do produce a better in most cases they produce a great quality of citizen that you see come out of it. Some of them stay here and some of them go. Once they pass through college, I just would ask that everybody really study this, the need, it's not a wall, it's really a need. In my opinion, I haven't helped them shuffle kids I haven't helped them shuffle kids around here recently or even in the last four or five years, but I did for a long time. And it does get tasking, and then of course, you know, there's times that they do have to split up like you say and then go into different competitions, different shows, this and the other. And I mean, I know that one time we had kids in Abelene and I think we had kids going to Houston to separate things and to separate countries. Yeah, I mean, it just, it was tough, very tough. And of course, we piled them in hours and we got it done. But you know, if you can take one vehicle to have lane versus two or three, four which is good. This one for me is such a tough one because right, you got to park strings. Yeah, all of this, this sounds good, but I've put in a couple of perspectives for me. Rodenbridge just requested three new meetings. And, you know, that's where it comes down to. I mean, you know, we do know it. I mean, we get hit by our department. And I'm looking at a department. A Rodenbridge truck to the judge's point is touched by every taxpayer in this county. But I also have some other questions for the group because there's a lot. Since I've been here, I go to some events that I really don't even know. Right? To your point. You know, we ask the city of injury all the time. Come to this bed. Pay $100 for this. Pay, you know, auction, auction bid, bid, bid. Don't we have a 4-H one coming up like right around the corner? Yeah, okay. Fair is. Okay, you separate organization, but guess is it? Okay, so the unit bear is totally different than so there's 4-H. Well, we're talking about the actually bigger nap, but I guess 4-H, they have a big, I don't know, they have their own. They have their own. Their own ceremony is about the own thing that we have. But what does it go, Texan? It's a Texan, so as you get the organization that supports the 4-H and the app that they, it's not just 4-H, it's the scholarship. The dollar, Most of these big organizations, they're not like, so CCYF is a 4HF-AF-C-L-A. G-YLF, which is another big one we have here, that is. The purchase animals were from any person that shows major livestock in the county at the county show. Goab Texters, the scholarship fundraisers, that they raise for kids in the county not just for edge kids. Now, I mean, I'm not gonna brag a little bit, but most time those are for edge kids, but it is, it is missed or everyone. Right. And I have no problem publicly addressing it. I wish the dance that's fundraising. That's what I mean. I have no problem putting it out. It's just that fundraiser, it's a separate. I mean, it does support them, but it supports the kids. Well, you know, when I was getting at it, it's difficult to put a fundraiser together an entire fundraiser, but if 4-H could tag along with their own, separate at these functions, I guarantee you that people step out of that table and donating. When the fever pitch is going, people pull their pockets hooks out and just start they'll donate me and maybe we do something like that because I had actually written down a 50-50 you know match. But yeah, got to go with it here. I actually have to do not hear. Yeah, right here, I got it in my I know probably what is the right. But you know, here I go. Sounds so. I'm not trying to be argumentated. I really am not. I just want to put to the point of view. So really great. That's for you vehicles. And they they've had a lot of citizens in this county. I do agree with that because they pick up. There it is. I haven't touched a lot of citizens in this county as well. I've wanted to their side of their houses, their fields, their farms, their ranches, their gardens, their yards, no matter what, when I drive that person or we'll never run there. I mean, yes, y'all do help them. Supplement that a little bit. I mean, you know, it depends, but it does not cover everything that it pays. Kind of my tires and all this gone ridiculous. Processed vehicles are gone ridiculous. So, I mean, that's just that standpoint. I'm not like I said, I don't know. I don't want to be argumentative. I was just saying. A winner of a fighter tires. A winner of a fighter tires. You know, a lot of times things about compromise. And this is what I would tell you that I'm comfortable with. And you brought up the 5050 match that if we allocated up to 30,000 and continuing to support the 6,000 that we've got for fuel and maintenance. And that 30,000 would be held as not necessarily a line item within their budget, but up to the point to where they felt like they'd come up with the funding to match up to that level with parts of vehicle. And then we would have that available to us. Am I saying that the right way? Because I'm just kind of I just pulled up Ford Transit passenger vans. I mean, it looks like there's somewhere between 53 and 64,000. I mean, that's, you know, retail MSRP. I mean, so the price that he's got here quoted between 55 to 58, I think is probably a pretty reasonable target price. So if we went in at a 50, 50, you know, up to 30,000 that gives them a mark on the wall that's not as much of a burden as a full price. But again, you know, part of that is that's a vehicle added to, you know, the county's insurance. There's some second and third order costs that the county is going to have to absorb because of that. So I think that that would be a reasonable in to try to fund the entire vehicle. But yet it gives them some motivation towards it and gives them a mark on the wall of what the county's will and to support commit to. I mean, I think we're just going to keep an open mind. So, I mean, I've got a wide open mind when it comes to budget like this. You know, we have to work through the whole process. I mean, that's just me first one. You guys. Four others, but Dell, I will at the very, you know, as we're in the deep throws of trying to balance our budget. This will be, you know, a topic for me for sure. I don't use looking at my, I think that I think we get placed on. That's what, to make it work, we can break this down. It would donate to the money to the federal office for like three years, certain amount. But we can purchase to be able to not pay at all. Not so much, but we hate to fight. I'm gonna playing all night so I'm going to have to play. I'm going to look at that. I just want to ask you all to consider this reason I'm here to talk about it. I have no other choice. Well, you don't have a tough one. If you want to give this to all of you? What if Dr. D. Moore, I still do. Got anything else on your head, Dan sir? Well, on a sidebar, a little bit of a sidebar. Thank you for all the good work you did during the our little disaster thing. He educated me on a lot of things. So I appreciate that. Yeah. Well, here it was. So I appreciate that. Yep. But I still got about a half dozen bales somewhere floating around the Leon River. You can come up with those. Let me know. I mean, just. It's probably mentioned. I was on the base. What I'm having to figure out. You had never thought you had to ear tag. Hales and bal nails of hay. You probably don't really want them back. I was one more back. I need to go take pictures one on because I got, I mean, really like one on is, is like, nah, it's not way up in the trees, but I do. I did find one that's wedged in a grove of trees that I find a little bit of a convent. I don't need more than that. Yeah, I get by my plants, but still wet, maybe through wetter or so, too. Like they look one of the ground I'm not a little proud of you. Robert again, thank you for all the good work that you'll do. I mean, really, some presses, or Coriol County has for each program. And really, it's, you know, we've got good parents out there, we've got good kids participating, but much like you alluded to, I mean, between you and Donna and Becky, you're really grown that. So, who does to the three of you? Okay, next up we've got Sheriff's Department and the jail. Would court like to take a quick maybe five minute break because this may be a little bit longer than most. I mean, I'm okay. We'll be in recess for five to six minutes. Okay, I've got 940. We'll reconvene in open session picking up with the Sheriff's Department to include Sheriff's Office as well as the jail. Who are we starting with? I would because I believe we've got kind of three elements here. Sheriff's Office, jail and CID. Is that the three? So who do we want to start with? I'm going to take it from the criminal investigation, the management of the sheriff's office investigation and the administrative officer's office. And the list I'll give everybody a list. Okay, and a lot of stuff we're asked for is stuff that we maintain the use as far as the drug test is, everything that's involved in the investigations. I've also added where... I've also added where I put in for the OSC to our 360 cache and cache and get software package on the third page that started with that camera system which right now the technologies get more sophisticated. And the system right here, it's some that we can utilize, able to help with the put evidence together for the VA and office. And also, I think with the trainer that we'll do with it, we'll have, I think it'll be used for multiple uses as far as like we may be a road bridge has damaged stuff. They need more detailed videos of like said it provides 360 it does stuff for the stuff. Comments that if we have outside that even does for past year and good third, harsh investigations stuff like that. And then as I go home, I'll go ahead and get in here where we got the infound yard with the new maintenance that went up, we got a closed system that goes through the middle of the yard, which is starting to create an erosion. And I don't further than get estimates on that and see what it would think that it would be fixed that. But the evidence, the end-time yard, is many supposed to be just evidence. And we share thoughts, to maintain control of it everything and all the stuff that's in there's got to be many things. That might be a problem. Yes sir. I saw a guy on here with the CID building. I know a lot of other places are either going to new buildings now, we've got an over building and possibly some touch up. Work can be done with that. And as I give the top two before we've also been of kind of running out of room. And with that being also the evidence room, I mean, it's everything that's been if we're getting more and more cases and we gotta have more and more groups. And then my evidence guide, which don't give us our document more is when we get brains, we start getting water coming in through the clouds and the bathrooms and it makes it into the evidence room. and it makes it into the heavy trees. And I think most of the buildings payed high cost. So we'd have to have a look at it. Fortunately, these are making things really good. We don't know. That's what we put in the river. It's a huge deal. It's a huge deal. So I'm serious, Tim. But in the back right corner, what the bathroom is, or the closet, and it kind of says that's where the water comes in. And then they see you know, they might not be going on the top, but we just top before. It's when it goes in and it's got a carpet almost like this short, but it goes into the evidence room. But it goes into the evidence room. And I did back that that's the picture like said, the end pound yard. And I got to deal for the OSC and I appreciate your time and ladies. Like particular children he's talking about, We've just helped with documenting ground feed pull-up studies. You know, the burden of food is getting larger and larger and larger and be able to set this up as a middle of transparency and that way of documenting everything. It's the same kind of technology, sort of like a live technology, it's like the range is used when they come back and they're murderous and even want to do it. This here would just give us a way to document those scenes before we ever collected the evidence or anything from that place. We know where that handgun was laid and where that was laid. It's completely document document in British book, helped with the prosecution in cases. Well, I called up one of the pages when it shows, and I think it also, when you go in and grids out the house, where it goes, room to room, and then that's why I also believe that if we get that system, we've operated more of other departments. We may need something more detailed from viewing and gives 360, we can help other departments with doing that. And then it's all said we down low, we're going to drive in one package. We'll need the presentation. Okay. I'll start with my questions. Well, first one's a comment. To Commissioner Wettel and Commissioner Vaishna. The erosion piece of that is part of, you know, that jail expansion. I think we need to address part of that with Mr. Huff Finger on his design and his, you know, there's that's a. I mean, I'm not, I'm not a engineer. I'm not, but if this is what was proposed as, you know, a viable, and I'm not, and I want to run down the I'm saying the statement is I think that number one we need to be able to address that with the architectural and engineering design of what's happening there. Okay, so that being said That being said, from an impound yard standpoint, I don't know how, I mean, we've got it right at the jail right now, but we've also got some property out at 9.29. Can the property at 9.29, if we were to develop an impound area, secure area out there, does that make y'all's requirements? I mean, legally, I mean. I have to get with what the security fence would have to be. And basically, if it's not here, then our view, we have some kind of security camera system. Yeah. But if we implemented procedures that gave y'all real time visual of it it and I don't know what the standard is for security fans. I mean, I know you've got kind of a privacy fence, but it doesn't have the topping. Our face that we have now, I don't think really makes the recall. Modern-save requirements, but it's kind of a grandfather then. Um, but it's going back a record. They're standard for holding immediately goals with me. I think. Okay. As far as hope to can't get in it. It's secured by a lot. Um, that all them going to be considered evidence when they go in there. It's a strict security for that. This is actually evidence. I would, I would, because I think our property had a 929 right now, I even, regardless of future plans, I think it's underutilized. But I don't know what, I don't know what would it take to implement that? And I think we should have some discussions about that. Because just looking at the pictures you've given us, even if we, you know, if there's some other. I don't know. An issue with that is everything where the problem starts with a pipe is kind of on a Kelly side of the bridge. Yes, it was great. And then it comes down. So even if they dug down, they'd have to dig down so deep to make it where it goes out to drain out. Yeah. So that's why it will be multiple options. Well, and I'm looking from the standpoint too, you know, that's that's finite area. And as I think we would all agree, the crime rate in Creole County isn't going down. And so. And so. Also, the gift of when not saying probably a bish or or that's what the point I'm getting at is, let's look at, you know, could we potentially be looking at future growth and future size in an area that we have versus like, you know, I mean, this is what it is. We don't have any more space there. But when I think of the home being built, okay. And that's something that is occurring and counting it out and doing on shoes, but the security, so it may come to bad. It's, yeah. We can put a ring doorbell on it. I mean, it's, you know, how many things have been solved by one? By ring, that's what I'm saying. That we solved the murder bomb in Calcercel behind the ring door. So, I mean, the reason I'm saying that before I would say that, you know, I would be committed to, you know, $20,000 worth of in-pound yard repairs on something that we know is finite. It may be worthwhile looking into investing into. And that's why I was taught where I need somebody to come in and do the do a testimony. But did I say it's dependent on type of work that is a husband on the actual body? Okay. Um. All right, and I'm going to kind of break this down because this is my standard question as far as other and it's probably better broken down than trying to dish it all on you. How many computers do you have within CID right now? How many? Well, some of the desk they use two computers, but we got one to three four, five, six, two, three. So it would be eight plus additional fours or 12 computing. Okay, 12. All right, the screen monitoring, how would that want computers? So eight computers. Eight computers as well. Okay, eight, all right, eight is, that's the number I'm looking for. Okay, now that's all you're fine. You're fine. I'm not I'm because I'm not necessarily concerned with what the configuration is at this point, but I'm just trying to capture a number of systems. So eight there. I don't know if that figure is that going to include interview room systems. the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, All right. And then my last one is because I kind of pair it down. I mean, everything else is kind of pretty self-explanatory. But with the. Those are OSCR 360 capture kit. Yes. And there's some subjectivity to this, but is that a want or a need? Right now that's a want because right now even interview rooms, everything's going more digital. We used to do about DVDs and then transfer them on junk driver stuff. They're going away from that where we've got to get them digitally owned. And I said that system, once you've created, it can be filed and put on a drive that can be sent to the appropriate areas of the country. It's just everything going more tangential. You know, I would assume that that probably makes you more. But it probably makes you more efficient though in crime scene investigation because we still have, we should feel good, but eventually, friends are going to have to take that mixture forward and the presentation will get modernized in the course. Just for evidence, it's because you know, the burden of fruit is hard to meet that day and time. And if there's not a video, a picture, or an audio recording? Is it in that? Yeah. No, I'm important. No, and I appreciate your honesty in saying a want versus a need at this point, because that's one of the things we try to, at least I try to balance is, you know, wants, like you said, do become needs and wins the appropriate time to be able to address that. But I'm going to assume by being part of your presentation that that's pretty high on your want list. Okay. That's those are the questions I've got. I'm going to go to the next. That's. Those are the questions I've got. Mr Taylor anything. The commission. The commission. Okay. All right. Thank you. And I appreciate the. The pictures are very telling. I mean, so thank you. We've been together for a very great time. It's our rich show with everything else. Well, it's always going to have a little conversation coming out that's going to keep that first part of the voice. I mean, you give me a grain. It's going to eat that up and then dry it and then stay in the woods and then eat it up. Well, the hundred eat it up. It's going to give you a lot of real state of her dream. Yeah. Yeah. That's your only. Okay. I'm sure I'm glad you don't want to go over. Yeah, that's really okay Okay, so let's got CID taking care of who is moving to next. Jail. Jail. Point of Jailman. You are on board. Point of Jailman. You are on board. Point of Jailman. Thank you for your time. If you know I'm Jailman Administrators, it's welcome to my name. I'm going to present a pretty simple budget. How do we need it? I don't have anything that is wants. I took the hearts of the things it was told in me last time, when we were discussing somebody, outhousing of inmates and the cost incurred thereof. And I took a look at where we were with our current budget, talked with Mr. Woods on some things, and I think it kind of came up with this budget. This budget is the same exact budget that we asked for last year with some increases in particular line animation. And if you see on the line editing that we're presenting, and I'm showing, I didn't do anything with salary, Social Security health insurance, obviously that's something you guys take your own. These bullets, if you're gonna be giving cobbels that raise it from the other conditions. On the other things, if we go down the list, you'll see that there are 30% increase since 10% increase. Most of these things are due to the gel population increase that we had. We added on 30%. I don't go up 30%. I need 30% more food. That's a cost incurred 30% more. Some of the items that we have been using are going up between 10 and 30% just on a cost basis through our vendors. So one of the big increases that you'll see is medical and hygiene, a massive 38% there. And that's based on a 30% increase and the current spending trend that we are doing as far as the medical goes. The biggest one, obviously, the elephant in the room is the President of Boarding. Last year we were budgeted $2 million, $20,000. Based on the current spending trend and where we're at right now, I believe that that estimate is to stay within budget next year, is going to go up to approximately $3,500,000. Now I base that on the fact that Johnson County is going to be going up to $105 per inmate. We have a contract with them of a minimum of 48 inmates. That's $5,040 a day no matter what. That's at a minimum. And if you take that time $365,839,600 a year, just to how those 48 inmates. And we are currently over that as out housing, right? So we have decreased our number of substantially. I mean, I want to say 10 to 15 people that we have gotten through the TBC system as of like, and we are still trying to work on that. But I think it's good stewards. I would be remiss if I didn't tell you that through me about 100,000 is the number that I believe is going to happen next year. If we cannot stop the rapid influx of more inmates, they're coming in faster than I can get them through the court systems and the faster than the court systems can get them into the TDC, or that we can release them on a mission energy. So that's a number that I don't wanna say is said in stone, but I think that's a number that you guys very, you can consider very parts of me. There is one thing that I am asking for that is a need. As you know, the jail commission requires that I have to stay in compliance on a lot of things. I currently have three sergeants. One of them is running my booking desk. One is running the jail itself along with that person is the HR sergeant, if you will, doing all the hiring and background investigation. It's also the person who takes care of all of our camera systems. My booking officer also does all of our camera systems. My booking officer also does all of the transports, getting everything scheduled, as far as the jail goes, making sure that people are going to court, who's going to court, what days are going to court? So both of those sergeants jobs are, they have a lot on their play and there are things daily that are getting missed not major things fortunately we've been able to fix those and then I have a staff sergeant Sergeant Loveerson I would tell you Sergeant Gloward is amazing lady she is is nosy ends and now to that jail. She handles a lot of the reports that go to the state. She, as far as the commission goes, she is the one who deals with all of the key to see stuff. As far as making sure that it makes her there, she's one of the tracks, my 45 days, and when they need to go, she's one that makes that report to the state. So her place folded well. So what I'm asking for is a compliance option. Me and the chair discuss this. This person, I don't know if the other packet in front of you of what that person's job is going to be. You're gonna see a lot of things that they have to do. However, those responsibilities are not something that is done every day. So we were discussing how do we make a compliance officer with the jail to keep us in compliance paperwork wise and to make sure that our employees are in the plan to try and admit that the jolk mission standards are met. All of those things now are being carried up between myself and one or more of those sergeants. I'd like to put that in that compliance piece. However, we don't feel it is just a full time 40 hour of each hour. Some of the other things that we had come up with was our evidence technician, sorry, in CID, is constantly fighting with evidence. It is overwhelming. I can tell you, even the district attorney and county attorney in the last county's wide law enforcement meeting had, the working community had even sang his praises because I know how a little wealthy is so that it goes and people love it. So this position for compliance even though it is through the jail mainly we're going to make that a compliance for the sheriff's office. I'm going to have some extra job duties in there, like helping Sergeant Condon, whatever he needs help with evidence stuff. Whenever he has to present things to the courts for disposal, those types of things, making sure this person will also help him make sure that it is a direct evidence, because obviously we don't want to get run the law and stuff, and making sure that, that all the paperwork is correct. And kind of the second set of eyes they're helping along with the menial task, I guess, not just their physical tasks. There's also some things with dispatch that they would need some help with as far as reporting through the state and those type of things. So it's going to alleviate some of the kind of love ladies, people's responsibilities. I guess getting some of that stuff off of their plate, this person is something that we really need in the environment. I would love to say to you and tell you that it's a long and we really don't need it in the budget But I will also say that compliance is the way of the future If you're out of compliance, they're going to finance. So thank you back to the electoral for their family Yes, it does kind of seem like a lot but I'll break down the need is We have so many people who are in so many never has, so many different things that the continuity might not be there for 20 divisions. Well, if we have this compliance officer because I will tell you compliance means everything to me after the last few years. If we can have that person that will be that person that will be monthly tasked if you will between two divisions. But their priority is compliance to be the continuity from all these different divisions, you know, and the new update or a new mandate comes down, say, for this back. So this individual will work with that commander to get all the ins and outs of that mandate and make sure that we're compliant and getting the job. And that will be across the board all the way around. We understand that that's not a 40 hour with jobs. So we looked at another place the evidence to see where we're. That was probably the number one need is get me somebody in there. For the disposition of the disposal of that. Something that's both a Wyoming that part of. And. To have somebody that can do both of those things, literally be able to log with each of my visions underneath the share of those. So, asking for it to be kind of shifting gears a little bit, when we get to the ranking structure, this will make more sense to asking for this person to come in at the rank of lieutenant to be that position to be the rank of lieutenant for the authority of over the each the divisions that will put them just one step underneath the commander of the divisions. And this particular position is going to require a special kind of person, not just a entry level deputy entry level janitor. It's going to take somebody that has a lot of experience in coming in with the salary of the lieutenant. In the authority of the lieutenant, we'll attract a more experienced individual. We're also looking at somebody for that position that was a double certified person. Unlike where I am, the kind of someone who is being certified, Jared and paid peace off. So that they will understand the engine out so both sides of the house. That's pretty much what I got to present. Yeah. That's how many questions I'd be more than happy to try and answer them. I'd like to quote Ralph and I have some bids on some air handlers. The original nine air handlers are still in the jail. We build over there by pretty much the time working. I have got a bid on Jacob's Kathy on the air handlers for $325,000 to be replaced. And I got that quote about four months ago. So I don't know if that's still a good quote. And we are addressing issue with the roof frame and get it stopped leaking. I have some quotals for the roof of the geologist. A TPO roof, 20-year warranty, $209,000. A silicone roof, a coating, a 20-year warranty, $109,200, and then a 5-year warranty, $1,799,800. But some more of the issues we're were doing with maintenance over there. And since you brought that up to make sure I would like to point out that if you look at my line item for the repairs and maintenance, there's a facility. Well Commissioner Basham is just brought forward, has nothing to do with that number. Me and Bill got together and I told Mr. Bill what I asked him about the 95,000, he said absolutely, we're gonna need more than that. And this is, these are for the things inside of the jail that are currently broken that he had work orders for. And we have, we have the money. Okay, right here. Okay. We have license showers and those type of things. So I'm adding that to my side of the budget. And Mr. Bill is added to his and between our conversation, you think we touched on everything. To make those, I think it was expensive and low challenge. That makes sense. Commissioner Vashin, what was the upper number and the lower number on the roof costs? I mean, I don't need the explanation of what they were, but what you the estimates you've got, the upper number nine, the point you're wanting to learn nine thousand. Two hundred nine is five year one, seven nine thousand. Eight hundred. Both of that being said, you know, we're also trying to, we're going to have got to stuff up there and we'll try to patch that. Our sale, every time it rains, I'm glad it's not there. Wait, it's happening again, but we're trying to work with, we're working on that right now. Wait, we'll try to get that resolved with. No, I just wanted to capture that price range that we were talking about. So thank you. All right, so, can I, are you through? Yes, sir. I mean, because I don't want to catch you off. No, no, no. I'll present everything that I have want to cut you off. I mean, I don't know. I presented everything that I had. Okay, because I try to hold my questions to the end. I don't like to interrupt somebody's flow. And you did great. First question I have is. And I think we've gotten away from it a while. And maybe we're back into it a little bit, but talking about medical and hygiene, are we running our medical bills through the Intigent Health Program so that she can screen those and determine which ones are eligible to be funded through Intigent Health? I'm sure that we are. Southern Health Partners has a and the same energy health. I'm sure that we are. Southern health partners. Have a. A process before they will prove for someone to have those. I'm so what happened is we have followed up with that somehow. Some way I know how that has to get. But it was recently recently, I say, recently, several. And certainly, yeah, it's been months. The last budget, yeah. And was able to recapture some of that money and then be able to identify what the expulsors shouldn't have. So now that is going through the end of it. Okay. Whether it be, you know, dental, medical, either it's a milk health, but yes, that problem was identified before, it looked difficult to get it. Yeah. And yes, it does go to the different. I mean, I've had some email traffic with Lanna and she sent me a couple updates on like, Lanna has helped us to convince. Like she actually was born in Calta. Yeah. You know, I some of the stuff is in the fine minutia that you know they go down and look at every day and it was great that land I had picked that off. Because it was a considerable amount of life. Yes. I mean, it's yeah. Yes, I mean it's yeah Okay All right, so food for inmates Whatever the reason is at least since I've been in office Never made or you know how much money we put into that line-on or don't put in that line-on. That's one that we consistently go over budget. I mean, it just has been. And I'm not going to get the weeds of why because I don't manage the food within the jail. If you're saying 3,7200, that's all in. You can you can do it all for 3,7200. That's that's based on the bills that we have been getting. Along with what the current budget was. That we've been spending. We are also looking at another vendor that we're basically trying to do the paperwork on now that is going to hopefully put these two vendors in competition with one another, the logo of those prices. And Mr. Woods met and we're talking and it doesn't sound like like much $600 a week but over a year that's a pretty substantial amount of money. I'm sorry. Was it cost today? I don't know that we have broken down a cost per day on the enemy. I know that me and this wood business is a cost per day per inmate, including everything. That's roughly $77.49. That's including all of them. And believe or not within the food service, saying that it's a pretty volatile market, we can all speak to it, but dairy products, produce, they're up there and that would be the benefit of finding a second vendor to make them to pay you know. The chair college was going to demand that. And so it is nuts. But unless they have any competition, they're not, you know, they're all just been $100,000 and we'll give you a discount after that. We'll know we won, you know, or business up front of the back. Actually, it's another last thing to see how old you're at. So that's $7 at the same time. And we've talked about $210,000 a day. It's 319,000, bringing the city by knowledge. Of course, I don't have 100,000, but I'll keep waiting for tension. Kind of over and. I'm not going to dispute commission basham's numbers. We're making a $600 a week. So at the proposed 317,200, taking the entire bed count of 139, which I know we're not met, but I'm saying hey, we're we're every day, we're going We have 139 beds worth of meals. For 365 days comes out to $6 and 25 cents per day based off the numbers you've given. And you can operate within that. You can meet all the food. I'm pretty comfortable that the cost per plate is somewhere in over about $2.15 per person. So, in that, I mean, that puts you at $1.50 a day. And now, I know when I say $2.00 a big sentence, you know, you have some vertices that is just a banana, so certainly. That's probably closer to a dollar per one. So any fluctuates. One of the big things that kills us when it talks about food services as a sheriff's benching is produce however the current vendor that we have is attaching home and that we have is attaching home and delivery fees. How long does that mean? And we're getting delivery fees and we're getting fuel service charging now. Well, if they didn't put $10 worth of milk on the cart and they bring it tomorrow, they charges again for the fuel service. That's something to stuff that I'm trying to do by ballot. With going with this other vendor that Mr. Woodland has done, it's downcharging for that. Now, is it built into their product? Absolutely, I'm sure it is. However, there's still cheaper on most items than the vendor of this charge. I'll be honest with you. All right, so it's hard to do a logic when you've been here for two months and you're basing on something that is a spending trend last year that did not have a very significant mid-year, which skews all the numbers. Right. And being able to come up with an exact number. I'll sit here and tell you, I don't think that I can do that. I can tell you that I will try and come up with a number that I believe in operating. Y'all, as the board say, you know, I think that that number is too low. Absolutely changing. You think I'm too hot? Absolutely changing. I'm open for that. I'm not going to tell you that everything that I've shared is, our government said, stone, I think we're all as a collaborative here, making that work. a lot of work here. Making that work. Well, I hope you're not looking to me to figure out what the food menu is in the jail, because that's Ashline's about my pay grade. I mean, no, really. I know it's challenging. What I was trying to get out is, when we budget, we need to budget realistically. And if, you know, if it's a moving target and it seems to me in some respects, it has been, it's, how do we figure out, I mean, like if we say, if like right now, court says, okay, hey, 3, 1700, that's the number. Can we realistically expect that that's we're going to come in somewhere between three? I mean, even if we came in at 3, 17, 199, that means like we're within budget. For this coming year, is that the realistic number based off of the capacity of the jail to say that we can do that? And I know it, you're right, you're coming in two months into it and saying, hey, well, I don't mean to interrupt it. Yeah, no. You know what I had? Coming with what you said, you know, we're consistently, that's a line out of the Go Dover budget. That's not something I'm aware of. I would assume that my predecessors had taken each one of their duty or as we have went over and said, okay, this is how much of a increase I have to have, due to me being over budgeted. Can't tell you that that happened or it didn't. I don't know. I can tell you that based on me and Mr. Wood set down and talked about what our budget was and what our expenses were. That was the number that I came up with. Did I put any padding in that number? Absolutely not. I took a heart which you gentlemen told me and that was we need to spend the least amount of money as we can. And that's what I don't know about this but it's what you're seeing percentage increases. Some of them, you know, may say 30% but it may only be $300. Some of them say 30% and maybe $30,000. Yeah. You know, it's kind of, again, it's kind of hard to throw a step fast number out. All I can tell you is that my job with whatever one you get to be is to try and stay with it. But, okay. with whatever money you get to be to try and stay with it. But the three hardest things to nail down 100% at this part of jail, right now here in prison morning, but we don't know the endblocks and what's been come. And then there's so many different levels that you get an actual system that has to happen. you know, then there's so many different levels of judicial system that has to happen. Medical input, we can give an educated district where we need to be and hope we hit it. I would rather give money back than to have to ask for a budget amendment. But I understand that creates a whole bunch of problems for you all to go back in. So any input, numbers wise, the government help, I mean, that's right where we are. I mean, we know what our increase is all, we know what is taking it in the past. But as volatile as that market is right now, with inflation and all of this other way, as an educating guess of that. On the two-terbid side, we're using the program's dad, the student service companies have absolutely 14 years. After many years has to be I mean that's a few but if you fluctuate from that menu in the text commission, there are standards here about it. You will be found in the kind of compliance on the line. And that's another reason why I can't just go with just any vendors but I have that vendor that creates those meetings. We have had that happen where we had, I don't know what the actual item was, but things like green beans on the item, well we couldn't get green beans, so we substitute the green beans. Well, you substitute getting approval from the commission and they gave us a technical on that, because we've got a choice from the menu that was approved by a diocese and a physician. So I never thought that would happen. I said, it's up to you, but I'm sure that's going to be okay. But that was the case. So the menu was very similar to that. And I did have an issue with one of my kitchen bosses that did no longer with us. The order of extra. And that comes in a little bit. So that is you not in play right now. The gentleman that we have running now, he's very, very good at keeping some intended or breast about everything. And that's all I can ask for. 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Our trustees, if there is some accurate, if people in the kitchen that cook and the hall trustees, they get a little bit extra on their plate. You know, if they're hot dog day, they might get free hot dogs. It's been formed if there is an overage space. And of course, he's cooking for 125. My number is at 118. Well, then I got a couple of refrigerators. That's how they make. And I'm good with giving our trustees a little bit extra. And because it keeps them within the guidelines and not wasting either, right? I do not waste the need. Right? So I don't think there's, I think that's an actual expo number of fraud out of everybody. I'm not skewed with waste. Yeah. Um. That's out of county housing. Got kind of list of questions and. Discussions on yet. Do you know and this is kind of putting you into the gun and if the answer is I don't know the answers I don't know. But do you know how many we have right now that are the term paper ready, TDC? The ready to go to TDC and TDC has not accepted them yet. I do not. Not exactly. I can tell you that there is about 15 people on the board that we're expecting to go to TDC. Now, when you say paper ready, that is another term in my world because, I'm sorry, I kind of love ladies girls, do the actual TDC paperwork, and they tell us when they're paper ready. We start out 45 day count. The way that they're doing this now with the Commissioner of Justice and Justice Department corrections, if they find an eye that's not dotted or a sentence that's not punctuated, they send it back. I don't know what they're doing. They have they have a time frame in which to do this to look at our paperwork and we send it I think it's five days and then they have five days to answer so that's a total of 10 right and then they send it back to us within that in makes not everything because of 45 day count starts over. I can tell you that there is not going to be anybody who's going to be able to 45 days of effort. And TDC's going to make sure that. Well, I'll tell you much about your being know that I know this, but the man over seems to be doing, has laid the man over the agency gate has laid the statement over meeting that he will not pay a dime to a county. Maybe you get the print board for us right? Yes. I just got to think you made that in the statement of why not give the count of nothing. It is his statement to his people. I will not pay him down to the county because when our people are ready, we're gonna give him. Well, as that flows down the high, but you think that some people may, you know what, they can cross that team since it's that by them a little time that they're there. So I mean, I think that's what the heck is currently so bad that the people who do that paperwork and again, I mean, she's getting back. All of her people, she's got three people at New PDC, Brady Package. They're like, what did we get somebody new down there? Because they're kicking back everything, right? Because now they're finding a region to be kicked out of that. And I apologize to the court. I don't know everybody's name that works in the county right now. I'm kind of still learning that, but I just help the tax assessor collected. Which for others, we've gathered some intel on how many days that we housed inmates this last year and those type of things to give them an exact date times the 77.49. And I don't have those numbers with me, but I can tell you that there was not one inmate in there. There was over 45 days. And that cost was more for 34. Now there was 44 and 43. But there was nothing over 44 and it was, yeah, it was 700,000. No, it's not the 300,000. It wasn't quite for them. Yeah, it was 300,000. We were in Arizona with a deal. And that's pretty big thing, you know, in a budget. All right, so right now we've got 15 that are scheduled to depart. Is that 15 that we are working paperwork on correct either they are operating currently or that they're coming up and it's approximately and and so and currently we've got nobody that's over 45 days is that right? No absolutely. Okay. And that was leading into my next one is have we submitted applications for reimbursement from the state and I'm going to assume that that answered that is no because we're not we don't have people that at this point meet that requirement where we could be reimbursed is that correct. Okay. Okay. I can tell you that a month ago is when all this change your honor, Commissioner and Jail standards actually made us attend a class for the people who were classified as people because there was so many bills being submitted to TBC and TBC said, So now one of those 30,000 people are paper-breaking, not one. And 30,000 people for that money. And that's statewide. So there's a game being played not to have to pay out of them. And I understand it. I mean, I do. I would want to pay it out of my budget either. I'm going to figure out a way not to have to pay it if I don't I do. I would want to say that in my words of interest. I'm going to figure out what you not have to pay the fine right to you. Well, there's dynamics in play that, you know, at a much higher level, because if you ask me, I mean, the state's not worried about Query Old County and I are 15 or I are 12 or what, you know, what they're worried about is Harris County, Dallas County, Travis County, County, County, Bayer County, where they say we've got, you know, 1200, you know, that they would be paying for. Those that's, you know, each of those to get to that 30 something thousand number. And if what I've heard through the great bind is accurate, TDC has a bit of a manpower shortage. So it's leveraging, in a sense, the state, if those things, assumptions are correct, the state is leveraging local jail capacities to augment their incarceration program. But at the end of the day, and this is where I'm getting to the out of county housing, at the end of the day, we've got to have a bed space available for those people, whether the state's taking them or not, whether the state's paying us for it or not. That's almost immaterial, because we've got to have that space available. I can't say this and this is going to touch on something that Lieutenant Glovely is going to bring up here in a moment. So I don't want to get in her budget for presentation, but we have a young lady over there now who we've been on a PC radio back at some point and since she has taken over worshiping now in the development team and point it. Because she's on top of that paperwork. They're not getting baby to send them back because she's doing it right. There's no mistakes. I also like to know before she can send that by broadcast. She's relying on the court and the VA's office to get her everything she cannot send it out to they get her all their paperwork. So she may get a judgment and it may be a week or two weeks before she gets stressed for the paperwork, which also holds it up a little bit, but that's just because court and everything else they've got to get everything done correctly. But once she has it, it's out that day. She's not letting it sit on her desk at all. No, I mean, that's a that's a good statistic to hear. I mean, really that that is good. Okay, so then the last one then I'm looking at numbers to try to get to what a number looks like. You were in the meeting, both of you were in the meeting, you had kind of with Bell County. And I know Johnson County is serving us very well and there is the potential that that's going to go up to 105. So looking at that as an upper number, I used 120. And if we housed 60 inmates out of county every day at $120 a day, that's $3,66,000. Is figuring 70, either of those numbers, 60 or 70, or somewhere in between, or is it 80? Whatever that number is, can we reasonably say this is the number of people we need to anticipate that we're going to house out of county. And I'm going, I know we've talked 120, 125, you know, housed inside. I'm trying to kind of lean towards the 120 number. Even though I appreciate y'all doing 125, but from a, so if we said 60 is the number, that means our average throughout a year is we've got 180 people incarcerated. If we use 70, that means the average for a year is 190 people incarcerated. No. That is regardless of whether they have been convicted or they're waiting trial or whatever the case is, that we're talking about the number of beds that Coriote County needs on average on a daily basis for the next year. So just rub your crystal ball and tell me what that number is. 73. 73. Okay. I can check. I can do it. When I first came here we were we were at approximately 200 in things and that was prior to us opening the jail. That number has decreased and then came back up. We have lost probably in the neighborhood of about 20 people since I started. When I say lost, that has decreased, but we kind of changed some things that we were doing too. One, we changed who was doing our TTC ready for it right? So she's getting them out as fast as she can. We're also housing inmates here that need to go to court. We changed a lot of this instead of just sending a problem children out. We're now bringing everybody back that needs to go to court and only those that are sentenced are going out. So there's less travel to a court hearing. So there's less recess if you will. There's still happening and we still have inmates in Johnson County and in Boston County that still have a coordinate. The coordinate is coming up we just had those three females two two year and one was in TDC because we had to keep them separate and we just don't have a facility to keep three different females separately separately, right? Because of the A.S. men discussing their cases and it's not just got just one instance, right? We run it that all the time. This is kind of what I was talking about with the 125 number. It's easy to say you can house as many but not always the case. If you look at our number today, I think last week we were pushing a 100% threshold pretty close. And I had to say, one day, let's move some folks, we got to figure this out. We're not going to be a mountain climber. We got some folks moved and then of course stepped in and got a bunch of people sent in so they were able to send them in and do some swaps for the folks. Our number today I think was at one 18 or one 19. Right, so we're bringing some folks back today. The championship from the one forward. So yeah, so that's this is the other game that we're playing right now. So we're going to guaranteed 48 best Johnson County. If I got 40 still paying for 48. So I'm keeping those 48 occupied no matter what. And I can tell you that over the last month, we have been keeping exactly 48 here. And there's not much fluctuation with that. And Johnson County has also said, hey, I'm sorry, man, but is one for one now? We're not accepting anybody to. So if I take one or if I take five, I drop five. Does that make sense? Yeah. So I'm making sure that we're fluctuating that. The other problem is, if I keep counting, they don't like a lot of our inmates. If they, I'll just be honest our inmates. If they are on medication, if they think they got a tooth, if they are aggressive towards their guards, in other ways, they say, no, I'm not doing that. Come get your inmates. I mean, because they don't want anybody that's a problem. I understand it. Is the jail minister? I don't want anybody that's a problem. I understand it. Is the jail minister not when he puts a problem in my jelly? But unfortunate side is we have to deal with those. What would you ever get to the point as they are? Just a food and all that you're bad at. Let me get you now. Well, I never the inmates have learned that. And if we show you just a little bit of resistance, they know this passive. You're going to send this by toll. And that's creating a game that will be spied in our own work because it creates a lot of extra work. And what is main us gravitated Johnson County because we don't have that. That's the Johnson County. You send that up one. There goes somebody here. What is a risk of their problem? Whether they have a medical history, whether it's, you know, they're whatever we're going to take. And that's what has made us really gravitate for them. We get our bank rob. That is great, it's a lot of work. And because of that, you're gonna see seven months and then the MOA, you probably come in and crawl up with a model company. I think it's pinning with their torches. Not that I wanna house people at my own cabin, but I'd like to have an MOA with somebody that I know will take an inmate, if I absolutely have to move them. And somebody that's within a reasonable distance to make that happen in one day. Simply because when we get to that number, they're going out in the van. They have to drive around basefield till we find a place for it to be. We're doing good. The Joe commission has been very good to me so far. I say that because I know they worked very good. You've got a lot of work. I was like, right, I was very forward to it with us. You know, there's just wheat, of a way of the board is. But I think that. Well, one of the things that me and in our inspector kind of discussion about was he's young and he said, you know, Bob, he said, I'll work with you any day that I can. But if you're one person, no, guys. So I'm making sure that we're not going to be there. I guess that was the confusion. So I think Commissioner Matthews, right there before is out of compliance, 140, where is it, 126? So Jail currently holds 147 out of it. Okay, so it's 148 out of compliance. Yeah, I'm 139. So 139. So you have to take away 10 in the holding cells because those cannot they have to be out of the 20 more applications. That's still in my overall number, right? But you can't count them when you're not about 80 in than 20 more out of 50. That's still in my overall number, right? But you can't count them when you're talking about data and you take that away, then you get down to that one 39 number, right? And then the commission says 10% is a rule that where you should be. That's where we came over to 125. Now they have told us because they understand that we're in this problem, that if you go up to 100% as long as you're going to fluctuate that around, back now you're okay. But if you go one person over, then we're going to have problems. That's where the one that's where I get one point five.1, but we're on everything. Right. We have a hand 140 dollars. And I will tell you that this is where we're running real raw. And I know that this is not the budget thing, but I think it helps you when we talk about numbers, right? And that is that we have classification events as well. You have minimums, you have mediums, you have maximums. And you could put minimums and maximums together, no minimums, I'm sorry, minimums are mediums together and mediums and maximums together. But you can't have a mouse with maximums and mediums together. So I'm sorry, and maximums together. So our career plan creates that. Okay, so my maximum cells may be fooled. And now if I have to bring the maximum back from Johnson County, I don't have place for it. I can't put him up here, but at minimums and mediums. Really doesn't affect this a whole lot with the men because we don't want we don't have a whole lot of empty men space It affects us with females Because I have to have two beds open and maximum medium and two beds open and minimal medium because If a female gets arrested What's your classification? I don't know I got a place to put her Right and the other side of that is if we get somebody to ask to come back to the board, where do we put them? And we're so it's a constant circus juggle every day to move those people around. and copper over STN. Oh yeah. If we don't get them gone before we bring copper cove here, where I was supposed to. So that number has to be captured. Well, that's where the 125 point point is. Okay, that's where that 125 is for intake and classification. But that's here to say, we send this in. This is made in here per say say Mr. Mayor D.W. I was well. Then another charge from a whole different case comes down to make a court for it and now they're charged with aggravating some condition. Well guess what we just changed your classification. Why you were here? And you have to look and that happens a lot. You know, you have them caught on one car. Or waiting on the other bike. It's on the hill. And see, anyway. It's kind of upon the scheme. We're up in the meter to pay for. But we last week, we actually got up to up on 33, 132 or 38th, which scared the crap out of us because we had some holding and cockroaches go and they're in Johnson County by well, one for one. Yeah, and that's how I feel. So that's 137. All the way to think we're dating over the rest of the people we've been over. So that's where we've been juggling this sort of, and I'll go back to the green man in the moon. And I'll give you a very good example about some of the ways it's for juggling and stuff. You know, we had a gentleman the other day that he had been holding for St. Jill, St. Jill says, you know what? It's time's up on what did you lie? Three days after, they let me know about that three days after he was supposed to be home. So, but he had no gun charges. So my director was, as soon as it hits midnight, you load him up. You hit him gone, right? So now we can take that number out. We're going to do a currency driver belt kind of and draw along. And we're doing that with his clothes. Someone is beautiful to do that. Well, not in current need to call us. We get to jail numbers every Monday, but what is the max and then in total that we reached in the last year? I got two or eight or two 30 out of seven. Oh, that's correct. So Sam, I remember, yeah, it's two or eight he should bring in my head. Yeah, there was a two, I think there was two 11. I didn't bring my little handwritten, I don't keep it long. So I keep it for about two weeks. We stayed in two hours, very long time. And I stayed very long time, considering we're about to reach, and there was some times we survived, but when we go back to doing average we 200 but there were some times when it's back pretty high and but they were very short. Well obviously that is a number we're chasing and it's going to be impossible to predict the future. So we have to build in a little push and jab and track them that. Yeah, I don't think our number average has been 200 or the last 12 months. I think it's consistent. They less. And I need to work or we need to work because somebody has kind of waiting for Mr. Wood to get back. He's actually has some good news. So when the expenses came out this month, the jail went from last month of 81.9 total over 84.4, which is good. That's a very small movement. A big portion of that was a $160,000 credit that we got from Johnson County. Which was an overstatement of inmates or something. So, I just want to get it is we got to take that number because that was in our I think the best my knowledge is that was in our you know weekly reported number so that's going to reduce that I think our average has been more in the 176 to 180 range and not 200 plus average for a rolling 12 months. So if we can figure that number out, then it'll give us a better baseline to say, okay, we got up that by 10% this year. Right. I'm glad. So yeah, we can kind of figure out if that impacted our average. I know when I came here, it was right at 200. I know when I came here it was at right at 200. And it stayed there for several days prior to, again, changing some of the things that we were doing. One was just friends that they know of. And then moving the the others out here. If there are TDC ready, they've been before and they have no other to put in any of what was your amount, bring them back to the facility file so they're available to the teachers. Now we were having a huge issue with the judge saying, hey I want this guy to move on. That's very funny, yeah, I'm thinking, he's got to count. So, the way that goes, I'm not going to pay somebody extra money today or in the morning, we'll be able to get him here by now and clock for a quarter. And we had that all the night. Yeah, so continue on that good news. So our percent over on board went from one 15 to 103. Now that's the inclusion of the money that was transferred. So we, we stopped the bleeding a little bit. And I can tell you, I can tell you what I have done. I'm paying for food and inmate housing and all other expenditures we stop. All of it. I'm not replacing any and making uniforms. Eventually I'm going to have the start of it. Like we have learned have the start of the year. Like we have learned the open sales that we have nobody but you did for the boxes but it made come a certain. So, you know, they wanted to go by. Let's figure out something else. We didn't, inmate property loans. They just built a subcloset and with nothing in it. They built with an employee name. So you put, you're putting property literally in trash, that instead of a trash game and tagging them and they're polypynical in the court and court and so on. It's just where we're coming with lost eye. I'm sorry. But a point behind the whole thing is that we stopped the bleed on our side. Right. And I recognize that. But with the, do you remember we looked at that invoice in Johnson County this month when we took the credit? It's reflected it in expensive, expensive, and new? So, it's in the third month again. No, that was in this. No, they didn't introduce it. Right. Yeah, what 267 went down to 88,000 this month. Yeah, nice. So, I guess, you know, we're going to have that conversation later about having to make another budget amendment. I think that number has this is you know, not kind of alluded to your days. It would shrunk a little bit because of that credit. I think when we have another one more billion sideplot, we have a really good idea of what we're gonna have to replace. Which will all impact, because I have the eye-based it on 75, additional outside, you said 73. But then where we hit between the 120 or somewhere between 2.737 and 3.285. Yeah, this average is about not before. But you've got to remember we have some high security banks that they use to. So it's hard to figure that. But yeah, it is. Yeah. Not depends on how it's nearly on people. But yeah, we just got to make sure that well, you don't want to leave any as they say you don't want to leave any money on the table. We got to try to get this post as we can. But I'm sure it's closer than 70, 75 years than 91 right now. And I'll be profound, Jim, but I am trying to, I come from a county that was zero-gusted budget. So in the end of the year, your line up is better to say zero, right? All the way across. Not a negative or a positive, they won't have a lot of eye to fluctuate here. I, this is that in some, you know, and that's just made some divisions. Yes, part of the meeting you come from. The generalist constant fluctuation of people coming in, people going out. And evidently, the goal is to get more out than to come it in. I can tell you, they'll tell me, you know, we got 15 ready. We're going to get them out hopefully next week. I'm like, that's amazing. And then Hopsco said, we got five today. OK, well, that's 10. And then they go ring in three. Okay, now, now we're down to seven. But it's making headway sometimes is, you know, like I said, 20 people, roughly, since I've been here, that were ahead. And then you said that, but the earlier, probably, the craft was mostly the jail of the jail is always a moving job. And you try to be. That's for many years, as you can by trying to guess futures and this, but the other. Some of his, some you don't. And it's kind of, I don't. Kind of discounting.'t and kind of, kind of discounting can go away, but that's some of those out of the floor to hit. No, I agree completely. And you know, just in a hypothetical situation, let's just say that crime just dropped off in Coriel County. Well, we have an agreement with Johnson County right now from 48 beds. You know, so we're going to, you know, honor that agreement. We're going to pay for those 48 beds and we may turn around and we only have, you know, 80 people housed in our facility. Well, I'd rather pay to fill that bed and have a shortage here than to tell the taxpayers that, no, we're stocking, we're rocking the road, we're paying them off to people. I don't know any of this all the time. Right, we're paying staff. Yeah, sure, medical. So yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, you're at that 7750 just to round it up. Here, are we starting guaranteed 105 over here? When you're taking it? I mean, you know, that's what I mean. From my standpoint, the optics, you know, are never going to be ideal. I mean, really, they're not. And so I've been, I try to look at what can we closely align? And when the time comes with Johnson County or Mylon County, whoever we're dealing with is finding what is most reasonable based off of the information that we have to say, this is what we will absolutely pay for versus do you have overflow? Because if Johnson County's had a one for one right now, we're at 48, well that means that we can't do 49 at Johnson County. Regardless of what the, you know, because they, you know, they don't have the ability to have just extra beds. You know, and I think you might have heard this because they don't have the ability to have just extra beds. And I think you might have heard this in our meeting with Bell County. There's counties that reached out to Bell County already and said, hey, we will pay you for every bed that you have available. I mean, they, I wasn't to name me counties I just I just that but they're that so you know the the ability to have a bed available and again it kind of didn't even place into, you know, if they're ready to go to TDC, whatever that number is, until TDC accepts them, we've got to have a bedroom. I mean, we don't get that option. I mean, we don't get to put them into motel six, you know, until TDC's ready to pick them up. I mean, so, you know, there's, there's. And there's, there's, and we got spoiled with Johnson County was because they were so doing it so long, but it's inevitable every contract and and Calvin says to the end, he doesn't even do this. Every contract was added going all the way back to my other county originally, burning any all that it eventually gets to with all and we've been spoiled without the county but now we're at that one the one and I would be willing to bet if we sat down with their commissioners and their sheriff and chief deputy and their warden and said hey look we'll give you 60 beds We'll guarantee 60 bit. Well, that's their deal. They have 48 bit pods and they don't want to blend the inmates. So that's how we got to the guarantee 48. That was why they came to pay for that. Well, they had so much open space over here. And now if I was a guessing man and I'm curious back to that, they have reached out to the other counties that are innings and said, you know what, I'll give you 48, you can guarantee me 48 beds. Well, they suck that out. So now we don't have that overflow now. But they're, they were looking at all revenue they weren't getting by having them beds open and letting us have a little bit of an overflow. And when our overflow shrank, there's like, well, we're losing money, so let's go somebody else. And that's pure speculation, but that's how I, and our guarantee is that's how they've done it. Without taking us to major toll guarantee, it's as much money for our betas. And the way our is, we don't know if we're gonna have 60 bits, 60 mHT, I don't know. We don't know if we're going to have 50 minutes, 60 and much to have that. We don't know if we're going to have 75 or what that is. Okay. I'm not trying to tail good discussions, but that's really all I have on jail. And at the end of it, it's, we'll do what we can do. I mean, there's the presentation, I think, has been very good. I mean, from my standpoint, you know, and it's not, I don't like using the word argument because you're not arguing. You're presenting the information to the court for us to be able to make a decision on what we can do and what we can't do. And, you know, if I could leave one thing there, I'm gonna solve it. If I could leave something there, there's a plan itself. Here's what would help us turn in this, if we're looking at actual talk awards that they'll sell. Okay. I'll put a little asterisk star by compliance officer. I've got it written down. I appreciate it. That little star. I'm not being safe from there, but it's that one. I really did. I put a star. They can see it on the resume. You're going to be like me. It's on two weeks and then you're going to be able to install it. I really did. I put the star they can see it on the resume. You're going to be like me. OK, before we move on, we because I've got 1106. I think it might be good. It would take just about a five minute break or y'all good with a little quick five minute break. And what I would ask of the sheriff and your group is we tried to work Mr. Aiment and Imigent Defense and pretrial services in here. I don't think his is going to take a significant amount of time, but I thought maybe it might break up our mindset and our mental if we get him in for about 15, 20 minutes before we continue on with the rest of your see with that, are you amenable to that? We're going to just order the four minutes. It's going to be a nice recess to get about to eat. We'll come back in a little bit. I mean, it's, I'm going to be able to finish it. It's planned on one day. But we're, we're, we're, we're valuable. We're, we're having the only end. Well, let's, yeah, I'd rather get it done. OK, all right. Yeah. All right. Well, so that we can manage time good. Let's take just a quick five minute break. We'll get Mr. A. Matt here. We'll get his knocked out and then share for reengage and pick up with this badge and Sheriff's office. So we're in recess at this time. Thank you, Governor. We're sorry. Thank you. That's all right. Yeah, that's a way. Okay, we'll reconvene the budget workshop and pick up with Mr. Clay, a man from the indented defense and pretrial services. Mr. Amen. I'm going to turn it over to you. All right. Good morning, all. Should it tell or excuse me? This morning, I will going to turn it over to you. All right. Good morning, all for Chitichel. Excuse me, I'm just going to get pretty sure I was going to just a few numbers. As of Tuesday, we had 431 fights on a PR bond, 612 cases. Think that's a little bit less than last year. By default, I think we're around 460 around this time. We did the meeting and I've contributed that to over, you know, we're just moving cases quicker through all the courts, county district courts and we've gotten a lot better communication with the attorneys office, and when it comes to cases that haven't been filed, given this missed or refused, they're sending this case for feasals, a lot more regularly now. So it's just, you know, we're pushing cases quicker and just getting paperwork a lot easier than we have been in the past. So, you know, we're still, but it's not the problem right, you know, I didn't go down any, we're still putting, you know, as many in a day as we have been, you know, it's just, we're going through quicker and as I were getting the, you know, the you know, you probably heard a lot of this from the jail, you know, the money 7750 here, 105 out of, in Johnson. So my mask correct, it's around 33,000,000 and over there at 45,000 a day that would be paying if they were in jail. So you know definitely saving a lot of money that way. And again, I think it's just between us, co-bonding them out over there, the jail, communication with the jail, the county's offices, the judges, you know, we're able to get as many people out as we can, you know, that qualify for PR bonds. So, you know, budget wise, I think last year we were budgeted $110,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, because we're pushing those cases that's basically reported one of the attorneys. We did up the fees for first degree felonies, second degree felonies earlier this year or late last year when we put in our infant's plan with the state and that's just to try and get these attorneys. You know we don't have a lot of attorneys in town. We just really know. And we're trying to get some more attorneys out of town. The one who come here helps us out. We have sinks on our will right now. Let them all, they all do a great job for us. But you know, when it comes to things like juvenile cases or something that come about a nowhere, sometimes it's a little hard to get an out of, you know, out of county attorney to drive 45 minutes on, you know, when you're on a U4 somewhere else, you know, something like that. So always looking to get some more attorneys here to track them to come over here, get on our bill to help us out, to take the case load off some of our other attorneys. You know, we have a few that just born in, just Harold, you know, they take bases year-round. And they never play. I don't think it's too much for my any means, you know, but being able to get other people in here from new to something that we need to be able to do. So that's all we have now a little bit. For 40th, just looking at the budget, we've gone over a little bit. Fort Forty is poor. Just looking at the budget, we've gone over a little bit as the last year. I added a little bit more to each of the courts this year, but I think the reason the Fort Forty has went over as quick as it did, there were some older trial cases that then going from 21, 22, and those attorneys have been working on this cases for years and so they kinda added up on those trials. But I think next year we don't really have many people in jail that have been sitting in their way down the trial for years at this point. You know, they've been maybe a year or so at the max. There's probably a couple, but I don't see us having to spend as much money on trials and in those cases as we did this year. So County Board, we added a little bit more. I talked to Judge Lee. He was thinking about trying to do the same thing as we did in felony court. Maybe add a little bit more to each plea, you know, set, set process at the plea deal. We haven't discussed that in detail yet. I don't know if that's going to happen, but we don't have near as many attorneys appointed on the misdemeanor cases. You know, I would say probably less than half of the misdemeanor cases get attorneys until they can sell it with accounting themselves. So we don't need near and much as we do in the district or works, but I feel like I was able to look at the budget, take out some money where we weren't using it and add it to the spaces that we did needed. Interpreters added a little bit more, the appeal attorneys bad a little bit more because we are going to more trials. There's going to be more appeals. But overall, there wasn't really a whole lot of changes besides to the point of attorneys' line-ups. And we're just a small apartment. Two technically two separate departments. It's really small, but you know, we stay busy, phone rings, you know, 24-7 down there. I know, you know, salary wise, of course, you know, everybody likes to make more. I know there was something in the letter about the third position. And of course, you know, definitely love to get her some more money possible. I feel like we've got a lot of peace payments as part of her coordinator or whatever the position may be, but we get hundreds of calls a day. I feel like any call they could have to work in the social worker as if they ever fit says a punchy bag, or these defendants and these defendants families. And they got to, it's not just by the paperwork and putting in email and stuff like that. They may not have to degrees and stuff to back it up. They kind of got to deal with a lot of that kind of stuff to one daily basis. So very important job and that goes to all the departments, most of the employees around here, they got to deal with that kind of stuff too. Kind of the goals for this year, we still got the mental health position of, we had somebody chosen kind of fill through, I need to get with Mr. Belting in kind of retouch on that kind of seed. You know, where we're at how many middle patients we have. I know there's, you know, but probably around 10 or so, 10 to 15 maybe wait on beds over there still. So retouch took place with him on that again. So you kind of what we need to do with that position. Get that going. Now the goal is to get over the code. I really haven't been to code that much since I've started this job. They're able to bomb people. They bomb their own people out over here. Usually the JVs over here don't do that unless it's, you know, they give them those they'll ask about it or something. But so you get with them over there kind of, get their mindset on why they're bonding this certain person out, not this certain person out, meet with them, get with the Koch Police Department, try and get a little bit better communication with them. We do have pretty good communication, but sometimes you know we're able to so that it has to transport somebody over here from Koch, send a bond over there, let them bottom out over there. Make sure that that process is done correctly. Sometimes paperwork is lost. So you can go over here. It happens. So try and get that fixed a little bit better. Get with the judges over there. And just keep looking for new attorneys that want to get up wheel. Just kind of keep things going as they're going. So I think we're know pretty good. Have a good rapport with all the departments of Phil Lack. So it makes things a lot easier to get things done and get people in and out of the system and get the data they stuff done. I want to kind of highlight just a little bit of thing. I was trying to identify that they've got 431 clients, 431 individuals and 602 cases, I think, that his department is handling it. So that's 431 people that are not incarcerated, that his department is supervising. If you take just kind of a random number of 180 of people that are incarcerated, that comes up with, and this is is 611 individuals that we're dealing with when in the judicial system that have been accused of a crime. And there are only six attorneys on the wheel. Now if you make the assumption, and it's not an wheel. Now, if you make the assumption, and it's not an accurate assumption, but if you make the assumption that every one of those requires a quarter-pointed attorney, that's over 100 cases per attorney that we have. And I've talked with Judge Farrell, Judge Kinsey, Judge Lee. It's not that they want just any attorney practicing in Coriola County. They want good quality attorneys. And we've lost a couple over the past two or three years that really were focused on moving cases. Not that they weren't providing good defense for those individuals, but they were in meeting with those individuals and they were moving cases pretty quickly and pretty reasonably while providing a good defense. So Mr. Amen, first question is going to kind of jump off subjects. Number of computers that you're off this utilizes. About four four. Okay. Not an internal server or anything like that. Just four standalone computer systems. Okay. And we do have a dead. That's you know, stored on that, we're not using, but now it's four employees. fees per pletials, 751st degree felony, 500, 600 second degree felony, and 504 third degree in state jail felony. I believe the misdemeanors right now are at 300 flat fees. And then you know, there's hourly rates of course, in courts, $90 an hour, outside of court, $70 an hour hour and that usually comes into play you know if it goes to trial or you know they can't get any kind of pleaser or a divorce the court so. And I'm and I like that because I have talked with the couple of judges and they are in favor of raising our fee schedule. Other than Mr. Herrell, I don't, and well, Dory Mystic does a good bit of work in the county. Most of the attorneys that are practicing law and Quail County don't live in Quail County. We're attracting them. They're coming from Bell County or they're coming from Plenty County and they're also and then a few out of Lancashan Hamilton as well I believe. But ultimately what it is is they practice law in those counties as well. So is there the ability to entice them to put more emphasis on their time spent in Corio County? And again, wanting quality attorneys, not just any attorney. And I believe the Board of Judges review applicants to be on the wheel and they determine whether they're accepting someone into that on that defense wheel. Is that okay. So it with that. I know you raised the numbers a little bit. Do you have any idea just off the top of your head? Do you have any idea how many appointments we have made over the past year for attorneys off the wheel? cases that come through, I would say maybe 10% higher their own. So the cases that come, we're pointing, I would say good 85% and 90% of the cases that come through here. And don't have a number, I can email you that, you got to know the report that says exactly how many we did apply around many cases you know are individuals. But the majority, they come through here or not hiring their own. We're having two of them. Yes sir. And while you're emailing, do you have that, the rate and sheet at all? Yeah, I can send you the piece of it. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Just for a second. I try to write it down, but it didn't like that. It couldn't get it faster than that. And then just so the courts where, how long have you been in your current position? Since March of 2022, so the lower than two years now. I'm going to ask you to have a question. for the fictitious trophy. Only a 1% increase. There we go. Rugged Ridge was 2% increase. They were in the running. I'm a member of the first play from that. You are in the first place for the trophy for the lowest ask. So I appreciate that. Yeah, we really, you know, as it splice and things like that. Again, very small office. We just got a new printer and copier setup. So that's that's awesome. It's smaller than the class we had. It does way more. We really pretty much have the most things you need in that area. So it's basically for us. It's just trying to make sure we get a good estimation on, you know, the number of cases, number of appointments, you know, that's not it for us. You know, I just help out because you've been here a little bit longer than me and I mean, we're both still learning. If you haven't, I don't know if you do, you know, get this wood to run you this statement of expenses. And that'll give you a really good snapshot. You know, like right now, you're at 68.4% where you shouldn't be at 75%. So you're under, but that's partly because of the salary. Yes, partly because of the souring. Correct. Correct. But yeah, you've got a couple other categories which I think it's good. You've addressed in here that you were running above. Correct. And on that note, I did mention the Missilaneous category. I talked to Mr. Wood about that. A little confused as to what we were going on with that. Yeah. And I haven't really gotten much back from Judge Mayvary yet as to the numbers wasn't that, but that's a turning general stuff. So we may look into changing that from this, because that's all that's coming out of there. Okay. And that from Mr. Laney's to actually some kind of, yeah, AG, Lone, or whatever. We know exactly what I talked about. But yeah, we budgeted quite a good more in that one. Yeah, this year we did last year because now I know what's coming out of there. And actually, we just burn out just because that's really not under free trial. You know, that's not so I'm never, you know, I don't see that stuff. Unless I ask him for an expenditure report, I don't know who got paid. I don't know where it, you know, I don't know who got paid, I don't know where it you know, I don't know any of that stuff. So we're probably talking about moving that out of just payments, but it might not succeed. Bill, you had no control over the use of it. Yeah, that's not our attorneys. The attorneys are a will, it's totally different. So our will, the attorneys are will it's totally different so. We've been hearing it 590% of budget on that. Yeah, I mean I think I was there for 2000. Yeah, last year thinking it was just some random. Yeah, some random number of things, but no, that's that's what it is. Okay, so we know that now. It's very cold and our office. Good. I appreciate. Good. For good. That's all. Yeah. Thank you. OK. Anyone else have any questions for the stream? Thank you. Okay. Anyone else have any questions for the stream? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thinking back up to share this department in. I'm not sure if you're going to be thinking back up to Sheriff's Department. Sheriff and your staff, I appreciate y'all allowing Mr. Mr. Engman to get in there. Thank you. So we doing. So are we going to do dispatch? Dispatch first. Yes, ma'am. You don't want to wait? Yes. That. I mean, I should be sure. I'm going to wait. We can do the poll. Yeah. So with dispatch, there is one big need that we need to get corrected in this more oversight on my heart. Last year, when we raised the incentive for this batch, which were great in this batch as I was with you. I didn't end up causing an issue with the pay. If you'll notice on, I think you could have one. To be airing 10 is making 40,000 500 basic things and it's showing that yeah airing is at 40,000 one hundred fifty eight dollars when fri tag got her rates this year because she hit her 40 mark and she did her advanced lessons that moved her up to 41,400 well her own has been here almost seven years since year, and now I have a four-year dispatch to make them more than part. So we need to try, I'm trying to, the reason I did the right, ask for the raises that I did was trying to set for Veronica goes back up where she's supposed to be, because she's not getting any time for incentives or anything until next year, which hits her 8-year mark. So, when she, when I was a bright now, she does not know if the situation has been about. And I'm afraid if she finds out that a four year dispatcher's making more than power, we may not lose it hard. And I do not want to leave one of my senior dispatchers. I hope we did it by faith. Yeah. Well, y'all, we raised the base pay list here, which I'm not asking for the base to be raised. I was asking for it in the business view raised the base pay. It does a fixed tomorrow. Well, I hadn't much of this pay raise came in a door with Veronica, who's in it. And they're going to have to either lie since the home that was next before the phase. I mean, it comes over. And when this other was hit, they're in the same town, and since it's a bronch, all he has is. Yeah, where they say don't that fight or we had some rather brief. So with what I'm down and I requested for the dispatchers, which we can actually take one of the dispatchers off. Miss Bees leads her last night will be the 17th. She's put her notice in the comments and beauty. So I will have a position of them after the 17th. But to try to offset it and get everybody back on track where they were supposed to be. that's the reason I put the rates of scan on the way I did. Versus what their license was and their viewers are status with us. So the other thing that I wanted to talk about was dispatch and civil process and records are the only ones who do not get paid for their overtime or their holiday at the sheriff's office. And in order for them to get paid like the deputies and the jailers from that camp, it has to be approved by y'all. That's another thing I wanted to address to see about getting them where they can also be paid for over time They're the ones that have the least amount of overtime They really don't have hardly any overtime submitted for dispatch And get kind of with our holidays instead of them thinking time for all of this Then on And then on. Civil process and the records clerk. And currently one wrong and she's the only one that does not get paid longevity pay or incentive pay. And I would like to see her to be able to have the same options as everybody else in the department and have her be able to get longevity and sit in place also. I'm a question it to be the safest of dispatchers. I'm not sure if the gate is too right. How much you did? Thanks to me and that's for the How about you, Ed? Thanks a bit. And that's where the anomaly of this whole thing here is. So the text is recognized as a bit batch long, because they are T-code certified. But, they go back to the, they're too recognized. And, um, the video is not. Certainly. I know that's a legislation problem. But how much other time are you thinking on average in a month? For this fact, they're lucky out of all of the dispatchers, including civil process. There may be six hours of even that. Oh. Thank you. I mean, they're scheduled as much where they're not supposed to have over time. Yeah. In the way it worked, the reason why the overtime has even been brought out. But we're going to have a vacant seat. And just back to your life forever. But when we have a vacancy, sometimes they'll feel that. So there may be some over time being worked, and instead of back in count time and follow that kind of stuff, we're good. Even then send it to help work a few more hours, count out the shortness, until we get some time. The other thing, one of the other things I wanted to discuss was, and I don't understand it, but there used to be a sergeant's position for dispatch and it is still on the pay scale that is put out every year. The schedule of law enforcement salaries is still on there, but yet we're being told we can't get utilized that position as long as I'm in my position. And we don't know, I don't know why. I think because it was originally, it's our position where the bridge went. That was handed in a sergeant, or a technical aid from the salaries. So a long word of a question is, I do have a senior dispatcher underneath. And she is actually the lady that is taking care of all of the TDC paperwork. She's the one that's taking care overseeing the war entries. And on average, basically, she's a little of a second command. I would like to, if it is at all possible, make that particular position a sergeant slide. It where is a vehicle she effectively and in the state of LA instance and also kind of reimburse Ms. Benner for I mean she's a dedicated employee she's been here. She's been here for 17th year, and she knows it's top model left and right, and she has pretty much the advisor, even when the gentle of ladies, you know, win this, I don't know. I just think, you know, we do it now, we put a model out on her, and she unofficially is second in command, but I would like to make that more official and then come and say her and give her the right that she needs to be able to have that influence without any questions. And by putting her at that position, that would be part of the race and also a question for her. So to be able to put her at that position. The other thing is civil process for some reason is under parole but she answers to me and she works hand in hand with the dispatchers. I know several of the deputies go out and serve it, but her office is in there with dispatch. She is helping with dispatch when she has time. She takes calls just like they do, but she's just not blind since like they are. So I was wondering if she could be moved over into under the dispatch section and taken off the control since she answers to me. And it's just don't work it been that way. The Bobby was there. Bobby was alive, so instantly. What have you and he kind of fell under the scroll of the district or deal. They've always worked for the dispatched to the budget. It's just, it's only the way he was, the talk of his life. It's a whole new. So all we're asking to do is just move that particular position from here and put it back under them, which we do informally already. And I wanted to bring something up. You know, we're talking about the stats. When we lifted the Barton Burnman last year, four days that it was lifted, they had 317 calls in four days to burn. The month of November, they had 792 calls. This is two dispatchers, our day shift, taking all these calls in because after 7 o'clock, they're not burning. So that's another reason I asked for the raises that I get for them this year. It's because they literally have to filter that plus. They filter it in around 1100 calls for October November and December and pretty much ever since then on top of having to do all those burn calls. These girls, they work of the bond collection. On top of, I mean, it's just every ending. They're not just disrespecting. They're not just entry-writing, they're entries, three radios, 9-1-1-2 landlines, plus all the data entering and all of the other stuff. It's done well again there. And the touch base on their warrants, March, they did 180. April, they did 178. May they get 210 warrants. And June, they did 147. They don't just come in. They do warrants for every court in this Coral County. They do JPs, they do districts, they do county. So they're entering a lot of words. And that's not in our database. It's in the state. That's actually the statement. And then I'll also have the statistics on their traffic that they run that are not included in call sheets. Last year, there was 470 tickets. Road. They were 1,835 warnings. Road from last year there was 470 tickets wrote there a 1,835 warnings wrote from last year all of that went through dispatch so I'm like and said the raises that I asked for is because of the stuff I know they do and I know how hard it is for them in there and civil process she is running right in right now. And she just got another record to place that's going to take her end of on a tangent for almost two weeks to try to fill. And she's doing civil on top of that. That's the reason we've been TDC over to Brenda is because I had to keep up with everything. That it was so of them it it to work to be done. You know I'll give you an idea of what I corrected to us like this adventure once she's talking about. They won't any and all calls from 2017 to 2022. They won't video reports, complaints, everything as it pertains to a useful force on the whole of Europe. And it's coming from one of these, it's called love. They make a living doing free-of-murivination act in the West. And basically, this is a high-hate police kind of deal. There's no particular incident. They're just trying to gather data so they can go and lobby it for every chapter or court that. Well, it's got you to know how many reports that four of those had to go through and plus they on top of the mandated civil process and I think she's very underpaid over you. A amount of raises that we're asking for. And like I said, Brenda's would be offset if we allow the sergeant position back on dispatch is $33,499. That's a bar park of what we're asking just for dispatch. And again, I'm not asking to raise the base pay. I'm just asking for them to have individual races. Not hard over rate in dispatch is very normal. Well, that means lots of our folks have been in the two years here in the majority of them have been in four or five years. Yeah, almost every dispatcher except for the four we hired last year or three years and about. I've got one that three years, she'll be four years and I'm in August. I've got a four year, a seven year, and I've got one that's been there a whole of a lot of years over the time. Bring this 17 and I'm 18. So, this measures don't just come and go. They actually stay in our area. area. I'll be the killed, you know, last year we, I think we made a pretty concerted effort to address, hey within, I'm going to just group it as law enforcement community jail, dispatchers. And what do you describe to me? Let me rephrase that. What hearing is that we have a pretty significant workload per employee. An increase in the pay does not address the workload. It addresses how we're compensating them, but it doesn't address the number of calls per dispatcher. So part of what resonates with me is, you know, do we need another dispatcher? We have talked about that, but with our dispatch office the way it is there's no work for me. I mean I understand the physical constraints but you know ultimately you know and I'm just going to throw some random numbers you know if if a hundred calls come in during a day you know for whatever reason. And there's only two of them there. And this one's handling 50 and this one's handling 50. You know, that's a mental stress on those individuals. So then if there's a third person there and notwithstanding the physical constraints of the office and what you've got, but if there's a third person there, well now 50 and 50 goes to 33, 33, 33, 33, which reduces the to some degree, you know, you would argue or could argue that it reduces the stress level and we're getting a better response out of those individuals during their entire shift period. Because increasing the compensation just says, hey, we appreciate you, but it does address really the core piece of this. The core piece of it is we've got to figure out what's that balance between how many calls can a person reasonably receive and provide superior quality service in a work period. And I don't give her. I don't know the answer to that. I don't. Like he said, that dispatch office and I mean you've seen artists. They're all talking to each other right now. But you put a third one in there and it they can't move at all. And the kind of address that point. The quality of work is there. The quality of work is there, quality of policy is there, and it requests by the tender that we have in that particular division. We didn't do a count analysis this year. But the dispatch officers that surround us are considerably higher. They're already doing this, you know what? I've got lots of experience with this. I was like, go there. That's the same something that I said for eight years. And it's just the way it is. It's the nature of that beast that, you know, people go in the money. It's what I would like to do is because we have so much loyalty out of these that we have. Our baseline doesn't need to move, it's where it is. What I would like to see is these particular individuals. Get their thing where it needs to be and get leveled out. Not in here and by what I mean. Because those guys and guys are. Machine they work very hard and they do it without, none of them have asked for this pay raise. This is something that we saw that we should have seen last year prior to the finalization of the budget. The exception of the Sard, uh, the sergeant is something we are asking for, uh, to come up with some of the position that I'd like to see given the future, the growth of the sheriff's office and the growth of our call volume and what had been in the need for that second and command all of them and sergeant is to make sure that they have the authority or the constant correctly. The others, the salary adjustments, it's just something that was looked past that we didn't catch until it was too late. And there's another one of those like items in the petroleum engine, but we just want to write that room before it does become a problem. And this is something we've been looking at since after the last month was finalized. It's just We're trying to keep it under control and keep it under wraps till we couldn't get in as a rest of the year. Is there any reason why this batch has to be located in the Sheriff's facility? Because of number one, it's center of located at Baltimore underneath the Sheriff's office. But most importantly is the clearances that need to be ran for the jail. That stuff is handled over in its sign form because of this serious regulatory. and deliver it signed form because of the disease regulating. There are also people who are on file in America that when somebody comes in on the warrant, they go in there and pull it. Yeah. Where if it was in the effort location, if somebody comes and shares off the turner, so if they'll be in, now we have to go to an all the time location, collect the warrant, collect the warrant. Like, if you have a call, if you have black bell cam, they have any dispense. You know, central dispatch. They do. Right, which is kind of what I was even, I know we're gonna move there someday. And we still have to. But still when they affect the rest or are warranting everything is exported, we didn't have to go to the comms and repeat it up. It's folded, but it's a different animal. And they're just built in their technologies here. That's the best thing. I ask you that question for future, not me. Yeah, that's the thing. Absolutely. And we look at that, you know, perfect on the road. But then it becomes an infrastructure thing with us. And the conference bill, because there are a whole different radio systems. Gates, little fire, all of this, you know, and he can tell you about the fire radio, that's the most horrible thing in the world. But when that does come down the pipe, we would have to adjust our infrastructure around the end of everybody. Oh, that was so bad. And that's just absolutely smart move as far as, you know, the gap between that and one and one in this batch. And if you have a multiple built there in that kind of center, if this dispatcher's on the radio, selling a car crash with a fire, this and the other, this one here is already dispatching out. Everybody involved. No, I totally understand. Yeah, because that was a personal, you know, I called 911 one time and explained my entire situation. And they're like, oh, we need to pat you over the sheriff's apartment. Then it's a very frustrating moment of, what do you mean I gotta repeat everything? I just, what's the good of that? What's good of that happened is when they enter the phone is, where's your emergency and when they heard the address, it's strange for you. So. I personally experience it on the county line where I live. It goes to go and then Canada, the city. And it is. So it's very impossible not to visualize this batch, because they sit right on the front. And you know, I've never, the first space that you see when you're right in the door, because I've never just really looked at the space. Is there, I mean, is there any possibility of reconfiguring it? In other words, taking some of the file cabinets out somewhere... I'm not sure. All about convenience. Everybody wants things to be convenient, but sometimes everything's convenient, isn't the best thing. We have rearranged that office to make this efficient. And the thing about the file of the business, where is the book? I mean, for them to tell me, we have Father Gedmitz in the hallway. We have mailboxes in the hallway. And you're having a walk around all this stuff because we are completely out of real estate. And that might play back into the impound yard. You know, if we fabricated the impound yard on 929, now we have this one here that it probably turned into administrative time to have a centralized dispassion of all the space to have whatever is right there. And just be a commercial space it's not as we're not holding all the rules and regulations. It would be totally detached from. Yeah. So that's a whole different conversation, big one. But we get, I know the judge, I mean, we've all said this at one time. We, in this court, that we've always focused on the year. We're not looking at the next and the next and the next. And you know, whether it's right or wrong, I got accused of you know one time I said, but if we don't talk about it, you know, then we'll never ever even visualize you know what it could be and I'd like, yeah, that's a very reasonable, alternative is to take that in-pound yard and you know, develop just a like set an office space out of that. I kind of agree with the judge. You look at one or two more dispentations. Yes, but it's already a stressful enough situation. I think somewhere there should be a little. I think most people will tell you, although it's contrary every time we have these conversations, money is about third on the list. Yes. It really is. It's flexibility and the work environment. Those are the taking time off. Those are the numbers one and number two and then money come fall somewhere and third or fourth, but it really comes down to it. I gave the first experience, you know, money only lasts about two months. Even give anybody any size sourd they will, you know, in two less states, not even thought of, you know, work conditions come back to the ring those back and then there's wants and needs, you know, want, get water to in there, you know what, hey they did come through, you know, boss mandate, look at this and listen to us, but yes, perhaps the bleak in the curve. I mean, Mr. you know, with the ideas in here too. And he knows I've visited that spot many times and I just shake my head because of the, you know, working conditions. And well, that says something about this county, though, too. I mean, I've seen other counties that have a much fancier audio visual commissioners courtroom. We operate in a bank lobby and say it's a bank lobby. It's just an regional minimal fanfare in the baroque. I don't know if you've seen my chair lately, but I'm going to be talking to the judges about getting one of their own chairperson. Anyway, we have to talk into the lieutenant earlier and yes, we don't have these conversation open. We'll get shut down. and we'll get to check that out. So. And for this hour, it's imagining retaining control, everybody in the chair of it. We were very thankful for what had my actions. The favorises became even probably 2% of your land age. Very thankful. And I know I've visited a would be a little bit not all of your one demo by, so we're very thankful that it has. And I will tell you, for the last several weeks, we've been close back. I believe that if any kid comes in, but you can't advertise both when you market, it has to mean, you know, an environment that the conditions, the money, you have done off what any, but I want to tell them thank you for what happened with the failure in the last year. All we're asking on this is the one month of the sergeant and two months level out the mistakes that we didn't get to that year until they were too late. But other than that, can you have a question on that one? Sure, it's bad for us. That's not bad. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sure, man. I have another. Looks like I don't have a fluid. Can you hear me better? Yeah. That tells the knockout points, right? I'll start off with the line items. I made some downloads. Miss Gady and the chief. And I went to the line items. Where we are at. And we both have thought we needed to go up on some of them. Like the law enforcement supply, let's see, we've learned a 35, 38 pod. But we also re-did that yesterday to kind of take that CID, what CID was asking for. Instead of having a separate one on for CID to take some of those Numbers and put them back up into like law enforcement supplies miscellaneous so we weren't creating both by new law. That's why that one one of so much Now this swap you form to equipment we added that one in there, we got the SWOT, any new firearms for SWOT, new equipment and uniforms. So put that in there, okay, we'll use the SB22 on that. And the reason for the line that we're going hot real quick, I hate to interrupt, but we are the only one on the North side of the camp. We are the only ones that have to entertain when the only ones that are breeder certified with the only ones that do the spatial weapon tactics. Today's repeat is not as a man-dire nor as I think they have the desire to vote for cause. Whiskey comes a lot of documentation and training and what I think. We kind of done it on a lot of things, but I did for our Peter's baseball to make Now we are looking to outfit in the right way, whether you own forms and their equipment and their cravings, that's what is created on this budget line. Oh, really? The K9 supplies, but it's been be $4,000 for a long time. We have multiple canines now. So that's why that's harassing people. People on the money on that. So we can get the canine equipment that the canine is actually need. We're going to run it on that line item on del nations and out of our pocket and then through all the line out of the commercial cordon's generations to years. So we tried and megaclared on some of the stuff we put in. I mean, the SB22, like the alert equipment, puts that in there for SB22. The word is now mandated class that everybody has to have the two years. And with the word, they don't have enough equipment to facilitate everybody that's trying to give all this training. They're trying to get some equipment so we can train our guys and on top of that we can start doing some training with other agencies. So we train other agencies toaks or local food. The 911 mapping system. That is. So Steve Manny has been paying for the upfront all the equipment and the installation stuff in all of our vehicles. This is count men for all the licensing and everything else that we have in the rear for those vehicles, because each vehicle is gonna have their own license and that one we have to use both for rising and, who's the other fellow? Thank you. AT&T, we have to get their air knowledge. So, that's figured into the notAP questions on line items for the competitive solid. I'm sorry, I broke that down this year so that everybody can see, oh wait, I guess I'm about to add one more thing that I can get added to the line items. That I asked if I could make me get added to it. It's the emotional items for the National Line Albumment, like the Alain Island $2,000 so that we can purchase the next stuff for the tables and stuff like that. Then we can have out there and as we then hand out from jail and then hand that off for the adults and stuff. I mean, natural night out is a big deal here in Corio County. Most counties into big deal gives us interaction with the public, law enforcement, emergency services, military. I mean, we all come together as countless ballpark and it's just nice to have our stuff. And the college has been very good about giving us, you know, but they're getting in the 20th, we would just like to be able to have, you know, real purchase of ends and different kinds of single-for-hand maps to bridge that gap on our constituent points. Okay, Brains Creek will occur not to you. You can, let me feel free to ask you questions where normally they may not approach you at all. So. Everybody wants to get in. So on the salaries, I try to do just break it down where everybody can see what everybody does inside of the church part. Whether it's CID, the local federal government, by the banks, jail, dispassion process, misgayers, and make sure the system shows you what they make now. The proposal that I'm making is more for the commanders. The reason that I made the proposals that I did is if you look at it, there are several. People here especially over to see that the sergeant has a hearing. I asked you on the 60,000, 90 chronology and any sales. Well, the commanders would make 55,000. In the region for that, the utility for the vote did not give the pay raise by the people. And furthermore, they wanted to have, I think, one out of tackle, a pay raise in five minutes and hopefully. I'm just granted we don't get any kind of incentive paid, we don't get all the time paid, we don't get any of all that paid or anything else like that. So, these days keep moving up. When I count it, I think there's seven people that make more money than it can manage to. And on CID, they have a person of their deputy, really would like to move from a deputy slot and create that as a sergeant slot. So that wouldn't be a sergeant along with the rest of CID. And then the new positions that we were going to have, but the thing here is that new transportation spot was lost on the national parent's stall New transportation spot with Oscar and the last year, parents' stall liquor is a transport officer, and he is just getting overwhelmed with doing all that out of counties that he's got to do. And then the TDCJs where he asked me to help, I think it's one day, we'll do this every Wednesday morning. Every Monday morning, we've got to go over there. Right now, we've got a in full Spencer a lot to help out the transport, which is any other stuff that he does. It's left behind up the days. Spencer, he left yesterday morning on transport. He won't be back until sometimes after me. He went out and let him go. And that was one of the positions that we lost when it came here. One of the mistakes that we didn't catch until it went off today. You know, nobody would throw. No, we really do need that one back. And you see, I put in here the new 440th security guard to the front door, left and right in the courthouse for one day and it's open. And then two public safety deputies, that's very good to be deputies, but one's gonna be more and almost be in the other one's gonna be an event to help out with the schools and any calls that happen over in those areas. The reason for that, those two towns, little district number one are as far from the sheriff's office as a response as they can be. A lot of our calls come from the city, New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state of New York, and the state That way they can answer the calls, but if something didn't happen, it's done. Unlike the other school districts that are close to us, they don't have a law enforcement president. And I would like to have some folks out there that can respond. That is their area of responsibility in those sectors of the county during the powers of seven to five or whatever it works. That's the. When informally busy with the school districts and. They would not be resource officers. They would not be a school police department. They would be sheriff's house and dentists, but the schools would allow them a space in there, causing it to be well, to have a place to stop the new federal work, what had been, and to have them, you know, daily involved in the school, there's a lot of them, so that's it. And that compliance for the measure, I think, can be 20 touched on that a lot. Which really back to the on the line item. I know I put 500,000 on there. I just don't have an exact quote. On those. I might project the back, but he's been out of pocket and spend a whole work. I'm going to have to get that exact quote on that from him, but as soon as I get that, I'll make sure that you want to get exactly those. on the position that was for the game. Kind of backtracked on the salaries. Did you cover some of our greetings of the commanders moving the captain? And the reason for that may be, but in your packet, there will be a handout from the changes to the federal language banner, the as far as two buildings will formal time, you gotta get on the other, and you're in there, and the way you are administrative staff, they would follow you to overtime. I'm going to turn it over to the federal sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I But we were looking at the structure of the command staff and, you know, by adjusting that salary and moving that to a capital level, all they wanted. And the capital level has nothing to do with it, a solid image is just elevating my staff. The commanders as many hours as they put in, if they start having a talk the time she might as you get in place I tell you there over time, maybe a tremendous Not out of the walk to this out of a need to There So if we can just raise their salary to get them in compliance on how to when they wouldn't have to be paid over time with me. Constable, back to you for us. This gentleman please be not to explain that a little better on what's reaching it. So, fairly like responders that came out, the federal government reached out because there were several businesses who had people who were salary employees who were putting in $9.220 an hour a week and they're making minister pay like $40,000, $50,000 a year. I say ministeral for what they should have been. So the government stepped in and recognized that and they set several thresholds as you see on the bottom of the paper, before July 31st, if you're making 684 per week or 35,586 per year, or less, you are eligible for overtime. Anything above that, and the salary person, you are not eligible for overtime. So they changed that effect of July 1st of this year. You must make at least 43,888 per year in order to be an exempted employee. And it changes again in January of 2025. If you make a salary of 58,646, or less, then your eligible broke down. Our commanders are currently at 50, $4996, something like that. Good about that $1. Whenever we talk about the pay rates that we can in summer, we put forth the commanders. We set down average and kind of put our numbers together as to how many hours that we work. You know, some days in eight hour days, something maybe a seven hour day, but there's a lot of 10 and 15 hour days that are put in. I'll tell you that when the flood happened, we were all available. I know that the beginning of summer was out from the sun down. Everyone looked at the babes and he was out at the point. We've been hooked to a dime more than we've been ready to talk to him. The downside to this with the federal government and the federal rules is that you're not going to have to say that over there. There are some exemptions in there. I can tell you that if you read, after the first paragraph, those are the exemptions in there. I can tell you that if you read after the first paragraph, those are the exemptions and we don't follow those. This doesn't just affect the shares on it, it's a little separate, you've got a full ESEC presentation, so I think everybody's having to reevaluate with their ad. Yeah, with their next order about some of these and she's really interested in some study and omit and get me a couple more things for everybody. Yeah. I know it was, I know it was kind of, oh yeah, it's been, but. And with the spread of the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread of the the spread that being comes in under a SAS order. We're not compensating for such. What I would like to do is move, if we're going to move ourselves for the administrators, I would like to make them a captain. It comes with that salary. And then I would like to compensate my SAS orders and move them to a lieutenant position and we do completely away from the stab sardine label. And that will give some gap between, in order to get between coal from the sardine, that will build a gap between the sardine and the lieutenant and then between the lieutenant and provide you with new capital. And that's the few papers that he has and bullets that he has presented. I just found it to be an opportunity in time to clean up my right structure if we're not changing the salaries. I also noticed we discussed a increase from me as well. I've never asked for a pay increase. I think the numbers will lower than that sheet. I'm not going to be apologetic about asking for a pay raise, but I think that number is a little too large. My chief deputy was supposed to be here today. I'll let him have pretty free reign on this budget. And unfortunately, he had death in the family who could not be here today. I've been doing venture that. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a pretty long time. It's like a pretty long time. It's 30 days. It's all coming to a head today. And, but anyway, with that being said, I don't want to stick or shop on that pain increase. That was an advantage for me. It's just asking for a pain increase. Never have a best one. It would be a free chance. Sheriff, listen, I can't put you on the spot. I'll make that bit. I mean, you know, the off the off the, I can be, what is your best team? I know, I did, I put you on the spot. Because you know, with some of these positions, you know, they're going to have everything to be able to spoil. What they will like is whatever they do. They will not only be looking at them, they will be. I will tell you, those are what I will tell you, those are wants. I would tell you those are absolute wants. They can be easily labeled as a need. But that is something we didn't discuss in the systems about how they have to be identified. You know, as said, can be a monster about the answer. It has your own evidence. And it's a commitment, a monster on the media, a monster, a legislator on me. We were just trying to get ahead of it and present that. Yeah, I think you answered up maybe an easier way. And this is much more you guys. So the five positions can you rank a one through five and you're the importance. The most important one I believe would be. The compliance officer. In a very close second, if he won't go in a very close second to be one of the second. I have a link in as our transfer professional. Well, actually, I'll say the deputy for the 40th is probably the only thing. It is. You don't have a deputy lane around to put over there. No, no. I really have to need this. Me must. I'll be right. That's why I say that's almost you put that in a different category. No, stirring those three positions. I would say once. I can say that need to community or public-ranking debt needs, you know, they're an absolute one. They could be called a need, but I can tell you we're handling just fine right now with the help of the school districts and school marshals in the guardians and the it would just be more cheering for me if I had a bad word and gun totals and cop in the immediate area and something went down because you know the first thing that happens is it needs me to get crucified, the chief law and fourth law, to really the people, police or whoever. The public doesn't know the constraints that are on these offices, you know, as far as staffing the 180 monies. But that doesn't make the stingy less. They're not gonna let the people out there, everybody else in the room. And, you know, we want to do what we can for our constituents. But I was thinking those two are a very strong one. The others are going to be must-have. Yeah, and this will be a philosophical discussion that we'll have. And I know you guys had it for SB 22. You know, philosophically, I have a disagree vehemently against ever using grant money to pay for salary. Because it that has to come on the taxpayers back. Again, I argued a very strong last year, unless I had argued that we had taxed the paper raises with paper new positions through the taxpayer and use grant money for things that aren't going to last over the year. We're only guaranteed that money for the student years next year. That's it. And the way I look at it too, the straight looks like we live, I'm not saying the best funded position. But I also look at grants as start-up money for a position that you see that you are going to need. And you know, instead of coming out of pocket with our own money to get this and start it, just use that grant money to see money, just start this position. That way, that didn't come out. All we have to do is maintain it. It does. But at the level of- If we do that in the 10 departments and we have 20 positions and then one year they all come. The legislature else we're doing away all these and all of a sudden we're in a huge. There's two things that can happen there, right? A reduction in force. Or we come up with a tax money to pay. And nobody likes reduction in forces. That, well, this way, that rarely happens in government. Yeah. We grow and we grow and we vary rarely ever, but backwards. And that's the thing. You also have to look at talking about roads. Going back to our regular conversation, I just leave this question. Our cost for service are growing and not only in the cost for service, our cost for service that requires a report that requires an arrest, that all of that is growing. And that all of that is growing. And, you know, yes, it was mistakenly, but we had a reduction in the force last time, the last budget. And we were filling the pain of it in our lower, on our back, and inside of it, on the house in the last year. But we have it, that didn't, we have overcame. And I think that we have done a good job with happening overcoming if we can take and fill these other positions back that will lead you in a lot. I need the transportation where gaining one with the 440s that's going to be another position. Well, you know what we lived without this position last year? Let's take one of those open conditions that we lost. I know we used that word, but in utilizing it here to get our force back up. In which I reminding we lost that because of a grant. Those were the mental health deputy positions that were no longer on transport. Yeah, I don't remember that one of a grant. Those were the mental health deputy positions that were no longer on transport. Yeah, I don't remember that one. It was. No, we funded the mental health deputy positions. Yes, we have to write to that we reduced three. There were five in the budget before. Yes, and we reduced that. Hmm. There were five in the budget before. Yes, and what he reduced that kind of is going on. We didn't even bother to carry the game well. Yeah. To pick up to the corporate. Change to corporate. Yeah, that's neither here nor there. I don't have the transfer position. Yeah, I might read your approach to our hearing. Okay, now you and I, you know, breaking it into one, two, three. The only challenge that I will give the entire group here is if there's, if you can re-look at this and if there's anything People are very important We need that pay is very important If we can look at anything that maybe is not as important as that And I'm not fitting Don't want to fit food apartments against each other But you know great advancement of that was run great because it does. They wanted to add toys, but they really offset that tremendously by some cuts. And that really eases the pressure a lot. Thus I said, I mean, they're, if I don't want to 2%, man, done the final, you know, tally but it's a point for the, you know, a 42% increase. And that's actually the ultimate. In the different, I mean, yeah, I didn't want to, again, I don't want to hit them. There was more of an impact. To be very different for anything. Please tell us how to hit. We operate a political attention. And we operate, if somebody has real business, they can't say, you know what I was on before, it's not the only better one. It's the fact that they're different. But it is. Mine is an absolute past. And we have beat this budget to a worth of sick. I mean, I would love to throw money at everything but, I'm in the business of bringing needs, majority and fiscal one, I'll tell you this along. The county's growing, the cost for service is growing, the crime is getting big town crime. And we're just going to start with 2000 facts. People were going to have to monitor how to do it. I know it's a lot. And I apologize for you guys. It was just. The view, the land, the view is refined with the law. And the only unfunded land minister who wrote that is, you know, this alert on the dependence of courage in the view. It's insane. And I don't understand, you know, but it's a band name that they hurry up and really expect them to come down yet. Well, those officers were trained to deal with that already. They just chose not. And why should everyone, but that's the deal is, if all of you are going to pay if somebody's got a play. And that's all of them. And the school side, the security side, did they get any or another was shaped thing Originally I did 15,000 which you can't hire anybody Obviously But today a lot of them they come up with anymore school 30 for 15,000 per school and then I want to say it was so many dollars per student who completes the entire year. In other words, you know you have some of those kids who are truancy issues. Yeah, they're good for you. They're not going to count forwards I know. Yeah, I mean it's still not. I know. I think it figures out if if every one of them I think it figures out if every one of them school districts, most of the schools figure out about 35,000 colleges all of you. And for small dentures, three, the... No, they get me to... What they have to tell you when they're going home. Yeah. I just never saw that in writing about the student panel. I just, I mean, it's in House Bill 3. Yeah, it's way down in the title section. There's been so much of throwdown local government as far as the unbunded management stuff. He kind of got what's left to buy for it. And you know, the bigger counties, the higher revenues, the growing counties and stuff like that, they really don't work. They just won't buy too much money. Unfortunately, we don to be constructive in our boat. Hmm. Yeah, let me see. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the Okay. Okay. I'll run through questions I've got. First is computers. 13 on 12. 13 on 12. 17. 17. 17. 13. 30. 30. 30. 30. 30. 30. 30. Yeah, computers. Seven. Okay. Any ad man, I mean, Gales got one. You've got one. Is that include? Sorry, my name is. You got. She's. What about. I got three of the laptops. And I've got one of my members of the laptops that I have. I think I'm confused. I think it's in the building. All right. So again, I'd rather be a little bit over than under. So I'm going to just put y'all down at 40. Is that within one or two that is pretty fair. Okay. All right, sure. You mentioned in SWAT and we got quite a bit. You're allocated for SWAT. How many SWAT calls have we received in the past 12 months? I mean, like where we actually went went out responded with the SWAT team. I would actually do. Go through and get that number but they come out for every war service that would be ever done for war service that we use as far as any additional, you know, I've been allocated to some of the banks, different things about that. I would absolutely put them there. But the majority of it is when we actually search for orange or how they were in high risk or resident. Okay. Um. All right. I know we know our S has done a lot of work, which the 911 kind of that. Did you touch on a little bit of what what are we getting for $80,000 at this point? What importance? dollars at this point. I'm curious. I'll budget them. So it's going to put the laptop and all the cars and it's also going to put the little model we put in there that's going to track all the cars, so that the dispatch can see where all the death leads are at. That way, we're going to call, if we find one, it almost would be not too long ago. And it was a violent domestic, and we have got as all of the place, it'll help us because we'll actually be able to see on the computer where everybody has. Thank you. Find the holds on our map, or attention somebody, or if we're having an opportunity situation, no one's been able to see where everybody is. On the block. That's about that. If you look. Three from the bottom on the post budget comes up in our S911 mapping. Oh, you know, out there we go. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Matt, you bet. And it told us that we still have five hour nine with one mapping that is inside the dispatch. That way the dispatch is if we have a guy called for help and he doesn't have time to get it out of his mind where he's at, all right. We know he right there. It pains him. Yeah. I'm very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, If you found these across a state that you want to work and that's not the most bad of the problem. Well, if you teach the food in the college, that is such a great asset. And I'll tell you why. One, it's real time of phase 9-1-1. And dispatchers timing it in, they're getting it in their call. So they're getting those updates. And right now, the dispatcher can only take this up and then she's having to tell them and she'd take me collecting and tell them versus when she's talking and you're getting real time out there. So plus the other thing that it does is from time to time you have officer who may not hear a call and for a supervisor super-barger to be able to take that AVL, the augmented vehicle operator and say you know what your closer to that call, you go pick it up. That cuts down on fuel, right? And manpower out. The other portion of that that MBT do is you also have a component to be able to use your computer to write your reports in your car to take your report from the someone's house and to document those that drive a place to upload it, digital evidence, that kind of thing. That doesn't sound like much, but when your south is huffing COVID, home for Donald's south loud, and then we take the report, then you have to go all the way back here to Gageville to upload that data and that's been either reported on West That's that's an hour at a minimum worth of mankind that we've wasted plus a fuel and a travel time and all that stuff, what they think is. Talking apart about somewhere and do most of that stuff, right, and still be available for calls. It limits a lot of that travel. Plus is the safety issue for the doctors, do you think? Because now they're getting real time up to pay to, hey, the guy's got a gun now, to get the gun down the goal. They can make a decision on how their response needs to change in real time. And Steve Manning's got a lot of upfront costs for the actual computers and the installation and stuff. Well, that's covering is our air and hearts from AT&T and Verizon. And each one of the computers is going to have to have a certification because it's part of the data that I've gone wrong. So we can see just the client, we have to have each one has one license. So that's pretty much what that's covered. It does this license saying in the air cards among those that reoccurring fee that we're gonna have for those systems. Okay, how many additional, because I was getting the computer account, so how many additional computers we talk about now? So, I'm doing this. There's pretty much breaks down to the vehicles. I'm going to make one point and I'm going to this sheet. I just did not know what that didn't understand exactly what that sheet meant. So this will be a recurring one. We have five cents for the major. So that's the sheet that he's talking about. Yeah, oh, there it is. Okay. Okay. That's why I went in my packet. I mean the same thing. Anyone bowed to you. I am. Is it going to be that anyone else in the year. But who does that go to? The, the, the, the, and I, it's going to be the NRS now on my peak system. But we pay that every year, yes. Because we got that's paying for the licensing for each car and the air car. Can we not play the lifeline's ourselves? The licensing is what gives us the map. It's what gives us the accessibility to get all into the map. It's not a map that we own. The county does not own this map. I mean, we are working in a hand with NRS and Steve Banny getting them out created. I agree. Well, probably being the sworn furry in the month, the past, the question was, to hold it to the rush. Yes. Thank you. I think that we didn't close money for a book at all. Thank you. You know, I mean, I'm not, I'm not. I did kind of get my energy reminded. So what, what this map what it does is it, it gives us a layout of the technique. Yeah. And tell us the power of water. Maybe this is right here. No growth, Yeah, and tell us the power water No growth Okay, the The alert equipment I know you M mentioned it and then I kind of, I was making notes and didn't get it all down. So can go done so we have to buy for it. We have to buy the booleans for the training before you get to the signal out guns. So just a lot of equipment, the base shields and everything else that we've got to buy to do that and with the work. They don't have enough equipment to actually send people out. So we have three, four things. Four certain buttons, the way of all structures. And I don't know why it became a lot more to the particular, but that's what the state took as the spanger for this training. I don't know, I can make up for all this, as you have to eat one burger. But anyway, it's kind of what the seat has. You know, the Evalid thing is stimulating all of this response from the legislation. And they have mandated specifically that it is a work. Well, a work of charge is you to come teach your class. Well, that's a recurrent fee over and over and over. And then we fall victim to all the other agencies within the state of Texas. It has to end off the alert. We are a training provider. We're one of the 300 in the state. We have alert instructors that are certified and we spent the money to get them certified. We'll build this commitment. We'll now in several two years whether you're a branding deputy hit in the street or the sheriff of the county you have to have in every two years. Well that's a reoccurring fee to just keep coming coming and coming and coming and by the time I train all of my people, we're going to be 10,000 or $4,000 to pay one time for the equipment and we think they're selling the quarter lecture. Okay. No, I remember the talk about the alert last year becoming part of that that training cycle thing just when I you're talking about it I wasn't paying attention enough to be able to make notes that so that was tracking that this is the equipment that supports the mandatory training that's that's my takeaway is that I'm feeling on that is what mr. Will talk about what we're going to as far as utilizing like the Senate bill 22 money that is something that we use to take with us. There's not coming out of our typewriter office. And it's a one and done purchasing with every kind of owner of the perfect use for it. And I'll tell you the big problem with the word is that alert me to solve the state on you teach our class, which says you will just finish and go and you can't use anything else right you're gonna use this particular equipment and we'll supply it for a nominal fee but now that they've got it legislatively mandated when you go to book the class they say but you're gonna have to come up with your own equipment without me yeah what we're serving the charity yeah we're gonna have our going to have to come up with your own blip, but I mean, yeah, what we're serving the charity, we're going to have to do some of these for the lawyers to think ourselves we're voting ourself. Okay. Port House security for the new ANX. Why are we only requesting one person? So the reason I've been bad is my conversation, so I was either we didn't know how many of you are going to meet and we've written the one we probably need enough with the bail us being over there too and also the possible business. He's in the game or at that front door to stop people to come in. Okay. I mean, I was a legitimate asking the question like, what's the, because I do believe that, you know, when they're doing jury selection, the bailiffs are gonna have to be baila-thing. So we either inherently are gonna have to be baila thing. So we either inherently are gonna have to coordinate with constables to come assist because on those days, I don't think it's gonna be a one person job. So I'll let y'all hash that out, but I just, from my standpoint, I wanted to ask what was the rationale and just what? I mean, the first one was the last one, the next step. Okay. The public safety definition. Have there been any discussions with event or Ogles B ISD or the city of event or Ogles B because specifically it's event the cities of the cities of event and Ogles B or incorporated areas and they have tax and capability. So there have been any conversations about them offsetting any of the. That was a good question. Thank you, Dr. that's a question. Then being incorporated, don't they have to pay the county for those services that we give them? Well, technically no, because we don't have any interlocal agreements with them and haven't for as long as I know way before I took office Water and sewer. That's where I'm at. This. I'm sorry. I was talking about it in the house. Yeah. I'm in my hand. And while you lay in the city. Please call. The county took care. But something like that would be a bargain to them. That reasoning is because. Yes. Sure. Of each county. It would be a bargain to them. That reasoning is because it's sure of each county and legislative. The Abarti mandate provides long for things because people who reside in that county and in base bill is in this county. We know those pieces in that county. So it's not required to have. Right, nice was not required that thing. That's what I'm saying. He is responsible to provide that service. I guess the question that we had, and this came up a couple weeks ago was, at what point does the county say, okay, we provide you with these services. What are you all willing to do to pay for that? No, thank you. There's a guy who's struggling. I'm not saying what we have to do, or what we can legislate. The partners are putting this in the budget because they can say I made you go that far. I know I have to provide service to our constituents in the county. Now, as it pertains to these appropriate cities, do they think enough of their city to say, you know, hey, we don't want to pitch in and pay for this. And you know, there's been that talking years past about town marshals and what has, well, I don't know that foreign students and FDs that follow learning county and their probably responsibility is, you know, what I guess my thing would be is who and how would we carry on that conversation About them kicking into the city council there and Would that since that is starting to get into contracting and agreements between interviews We can work out the interlocal agreements, but I mean, part of my mind thinks that one, no question you've got a responsibility to provide law enforcement coverage for every citizen in the county. If we're dedicating, you know, we're designating specific assets to address a specific need, and it's within a jurisdiction that has a taxing authority in both event and Oglesby have taxing authority. Event ICT and OGO's BISD have taxing authority that if we're designating specific resources and assets then I think there should be some some skin in the game on their part. And the scope that's in both of those areas of wanting to be part of this, to come and have discussions with for and show their favor for it. Well, when that show your favor for it, what are you willing to bring the table to make this to facilitate this to make happen? And I didn't make a bunch of hearing us where they go on, but talks up until that, I think the school board, superintendent, city council, mayors need to be involved in that because I personally, when this first started talking, if we split it between the county, the school district, and the cities, nobody's out of pocket a whole lot of money. And those are the ones that has benefit from it. no one is out of pocket a whole lot of money. And those are the ones that have been a bit from it. So we should have an equal cost in them. But with that, then school districts and cities want to say, boy, you work for me. Well, that's not the way it works out. And that's what a... That creates a whole set of problems. Or likely what you're setting yourself up for is... Well, we don't ever see that. Yeah, that would be easier. That would be better. Yeah. And that's what's... First of all, I don't know. Yeah. Because I need to go right now and I didn't have these right. And that's how it turns. And all we're wanting to do. What fuels this is. I have two deputies known the north side. And say it's at nine times or in the evening time. One that is in the growth and one that is in over the ancient goalsals and a super hot emergency shower lands in even which we have had happened. Well now you're as far from even thing you'll do and that's unsafe in every aspect. So if we could break it down right now we have no other than south deputy and they kind of drove these to the West, as they can, and they still afford outfall. We have North and South, if we could just put East and West in there, during our high-volume times, which is usually during the day, once schools being in place, catching birdries from the North before, stuff like that. My opinion is when you're alleviating a lot of that stress by having the needs to the west. And again, I'm going to say that it's an absolute one. I think it's a good thing. All the needs, but I think it is a one that will eventually care against you. No, and I appreciate that because I did. I annotate on my sheet you got it as a once. I just wanted from my standpoint to understand. Has there been any engagement with the school district of the cities about them having some financial contribution to be able to Funds those positions if the court chose that direction because we can work out the interlocal agreement I mean we can we can get the word smithing done says hey This is what you're getting and this is what you're not getting and you know we get that But have there been any and if there haven't been any of those talks, that's okay too. I'm just wanting to know kind of where we are in that. That has been brought forward. And that is what's further than the superintendents to want to be actively involved in their discussion, to want to be actively involved in our discussion, which was then until city councils and the school was in the head. And I think the root question was, who has that conversation? Well, actually, any of us and have that conversation, we just can't commit to any kind of... I'll be sorry. Thank you. Thank you. We can certainly go, if you will, commit to any kind of. I'll be sorry. I think that's a good one. Very right. And we can certainly go. If you will, politics, right, you can, politics with each individual. And just talk to them about it. And I think it was all personal indoor workshop. All of you. At the same time, and then wouldn't even say the castle, you know, or this communications. Somebody that I think somebody need to talk to all of them to see if they're interested in leaving them in. So, who we set up the workshop for. I'll reach out to the police. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll superintendent there. He's very well aware of these. Basically, a little bit of that. But I'd love to sit down and just have a conversation. You're super. They are. What's the point of asking this time of the month? I think you can be a workout. I know. You're well. You're sitting there. We're here. You know, we're also. I think it's a lot of work out that I know. Because the education is what it is. We're also going to be able to do it. Okay, and then looking at your list here, do we just have one deputy that's currently at a, you know, mental health deputy classification. We had empty carers all of us and then football rally before Ferrari retired yesterday. It was like pro-30s for few old-ality. Okay. So, Riley is an open physician now? Yes. Okay. And then carries all is OK. He just wasn't marked on here as an NIH. So OK. All right. So we're carrying two positions. One of them has just become recently become. Recently, right? Great game. OK. So carrying two positions, one of them has just become recently become okay. I do not know that it's possible to come close to funding all this. And the reason I say that is we had a bit of a tax increase last year when I say that, I mean above and beyond the no-new revenue rate. So for this fiscal year, the maximum that we could raise the tax rate is 3.5%. That's the maximum we can raise the tax rate all in if we're trying to cover everything. I don't know that with other commitments that we have, I don't know that that's gonna cover it. I mean, so I wanna, I want you to be aware that we have that limitation on us, as a number one, right off the bat. Although most of what I see as your request, I believe reasonable, I would ask that you look at any of those that could be incremental. Is there anything that we could absorb over, you know, this budget cycle and the next budget cycle? And if there's not, I mean, that's fine. I mean, I get it, but I'm saying, you know, for us to try to work the financials on it, because I haven't done the math with all of the numbers you've got here, but That's a that's a pretty healthy number and I'm just not sure that we've got the taxing capacity to be able to absorb it all and that's And a large percentage of what we ask for was fall under the Senate bill 22 Which is only half of what is going to be granted. So the other half is still later there to be utilized somewhere in the Sheriff's office. If that isn't being considered. Well, I mean, we're certainly going to take a look at the things that you've identified that could be under the Senate bill. And I'm not going to speak for the court because we really haven't sat down and had a good conversation about how to utilize that because we kind of need to hear from you and your budget proposal as to what then we think is the best utilization of those funds. But I do, I mean, one, my tenure in office, this is probably the most comprehensive, or at least from my standpoint, comprehensive and well laid out budget requests you put together. So for you and your staff, I appreciate that. And pictures, you know, pictures worth a thousand words. I didn't have to go there over the compound yard and trip and fall to see that. So, you know, see that, I think there needs to be some, you know, follow-on discussions, even as, you know, some things they're presented because, you know, is this the time to look at something out at 9.29, you know, to kind of free up some space here. And then if we're free in this space up, what's the best utilization for it? I think all those things kind of come into play because I try to look at them as, you know, not each individual thing exclusive, but what's the total picture? What are we trying to get at? And I think there's some good potentials there. I really do. That you just spit by you. It'll give us more room. Well, and again, this is just spitballing that if it could work out, you know, if we can build an impound yard out there, I know CIDs in a bad situation and crowded, you know, if we can build an impound yard out there, I know CIDs in a bad situation and crowded, you know, and then internal to your office is crowded. So if there's some type of building structure, whatever it may be, you know, permanent or portable built something that we can clip back there, it ties in the utilities are already there. So there could be some cost savings on those things, but again, it goes, it's a cost, you know? But, you know, but that's a capital improvement that we can find in the so long overall. And we've had to deal with pretty much like a DA because I think the way the evidence, some of them may have to be covered. Yep. And more protected than others. Yeah, no, I'm not done. What have anything from evidence, the vehicles that got to be protected and covered, seizures that can be out until the paperwork's done. And then like I said, a bigger space, I think the talk we last time had to do the vehicle sales. Yeah. That if have no arms and packs, I mean, didn't I? I think the top of the glass I only had to do is be able to sell. Yeah. The A-Pam Yard was packed. I mean, didn't I? We can tie it all up one stone right there and one swipe is make a cover pole on it. And I think it's all wearin' it for the wall. And they come in, they ain't coming out. Yeah. They'll show up their cameras there system and all of that and everything does her job. And it's a fear. I mean, that's more than $9.49. Yeah. I mean, I won't tell you that I even begin to know what that's going to look like. That's that's the y'all's world to draw that out. But it won't be a pastor. But yeah. Won't be different over the pasture. I can do with we can write some of us sort of see you go in there a little grace and keep the leads down for us. So from my standpoint I mean it's almost inevitable that we're going to need to get you back in here to go through this again. note or whatever, e-mails, phone calls, that we have to perform with Rinset together. Okay. And we're not done. We'll go back and do some turn on our hands. Given the time times of the last 34 days around all of us, y'all basically got our budgets. We didn't have time to sit down and really be just to see what we're referring to live without and that's that. But any concerns or children or children and those that way I can sit down and we can really squeeze every last little bit out of the stomachs. I can't trust them. I was a kid to drive up this. In a personal request, I requested from Lieutenant McClinton. If you have any of these already in Excel queries, even if it's in a word, when they scanned it, what she did, but she got the print, I don't expand everything and send it to us in a PDF. And you can't do anything with it. Even if it's in a word, I can copy paste into a Excel. And I like that way. And I'm sure the judge would appreciate that too. We have it now. Yeah. When you're trying to make changes, then you can build formulas and then you can apply it. It's just so much easier. We can do it that way, then kind of, the handwriting. Great judge. I would concur with that statement. I'll back it up on that. Thank you. You'd rather have a save as a pile and send the bottle. Yes. It's as usual. I mean, I mean, and you'd rather have a save as a file and send the file. Yes. Okay. It's as useless to be. I mean, other than it's really. I'm a. You can copy and paste it, but it never ever translates very well. And lines up in the sales director. Where does pretty good PDFs. They're much better. Yeah. But I don't have that program. Okay. I'm going to work diligently with Mr. Wood next week. The mark on the wall is supposed to be next Friday. If we can get something done a little bit earlier, then they'll take a look at your schedule and see if next Thursday or next Friday, tentatively I might like to huddle with y'all and kind of lay it down there and see if there's anything glaringly that we know needs to be addressed. Now. I'm good. I'm good. All those days. We do have a meeting with. I do have a meeting with the event. I was the. 17. But it's late. Not the. Yeah. And I already had the 19th schedule as a rough draft. You know, budget. 8. 8. 5. You know, Friday. You're going to be gone. But I do. Okay. Thank you. Yes. This is to take it easy on me. But I just call it. We're more questions. We'll do more questions for you. And each question has 22 parts. Are you ready? I didn't do it. I have to do it. I'm asking with you. You know, I got to give you a big thank you. I appreciate it. And next Friday through Wednesday, I will be at the party. Okay. All right. Yeah. At least our owner is meeting. That'll. So that's good. That'll give me some left right limits to work with. We'll quick around the horn. Commissioner Vasham, anything? I'm sorry. Mr. Weddle. Those are. Mr. Mathews. Mr. Taylor. Yeah. Okay. Right. That concludes the business of the court. We are adjourned. Wait a minute. We'll be put on the back. Thank you. We'll be put on the back.