Okay, Jerry. Okay, we're going to do. We're going to call to order. You want to do a roll call Mauricio? Yes. Thank you. Commissioner Joseph. Here. Commissioner Cibersen. Here. Commissioner Viscaro. Here. Vice Mayor Lama? Here. For the record, Mayor Svetchen is absent. Vice Mayor. Yes. I just wanted to say that I was contacted by the mayor before the meeting. She explained to me that she's a delegate in Milwaukee and apologized for not being here for this meeting or the meeting this evening, but that she has full faith and the vice mayor and the commission. Okay, perfect, thank you. So, should we proceed with the first item or? Yes, so the first item of the agenda is a special presentation by our sister city delegation of Punta Alessa, Uruguay. Great. Good afternoon, everyone. I have the pleasure of having our sister city commission from Fontaileza, they love Suniael's beach and they love our relationship. And they're really here on vacation. However, it was very important for them to come and bring and acknowledge Soniao's beach as their sister city and they brought a little gift for us. So I'm going to have Carlos and Monika come up to the stand. Great, thank I'll translate. Vice mayor, can you come down? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, for sure. Okay. So you get any signals? Yes. Okay. In the Spanish. I'll always Spanish. Okay. Bueno, buenas tardes a todos. Es un placer estar acá. Nosotros, como bien dijo IBIS, venimos de Punta de Endeste. Punta de El Este es una alcaldía hermana ya con la alcaldía de Sanías. Es un placer haber estado en la fiesta en el evento de los 27 años fuera, ¿no? 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. 27 years ago. We wanted to thank our local people, Javier Carroajal, and also to send a present for the local people here. This is also our anniversary, 117 years ago. It's a glory that has been made over the sea. It's very important for us, which is why we have here with the reason of our anniversary. We wanted to thank you and thank you for being here. So, yeah. a little bit of what he said. So he said that they come from Punta del Este, Carlos and his wife Monica. So I have not known them too long. I met them at our 27th anniversary for the party, but I could tell you that they are very kind people, they're very nice people, and they're very gracious, and I've come to really appreciate them and they have come here to gift us with With this this is Glorietta I'm sorry. I don't know how do you say that in English? But this is something that it is there in there in their city. So this is something that they came to gift us and I believe Punta Alesta has been not sure how many years they've been a sister city of ours. So Punta El Este is a hundred and seventeen years old. And how much time do we take? Seven years. Seven years, something like that. I remember a little bit more or less. So they've been a sister city for about seven, eight eight years and they're inviting us all to go over there. So that's that's great. Yeah, big round of applause for Okay, and today and today they're celebrating the Uruguayan independence. The 18th of July is Uruguayan Independence Day. So it's great. So it's in July too. Tambien julio. I mean, important. Que año? Mil ocho treinta. Mil ocho sientos treinta. OK. The intervener be reinato. Rearla blota. Preinto lo in. Entendio. OK. Bueno. Thank you very much. Okay. Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Is it a safe door? Thank you. the next item. The next item is a proclamation presented for parks and recreational month. Perfect. So thank you very much to Parks and Recreation and obviously we want to recognize you and I'll read the Proclamation here. If I you know what, read it. I can't see too well. Yeah. So you just want to read it. Yeah, if you could read it please. Yeah. I forgot my glasses. Yeah. I forgot my glasses. Where else? Where else? Parks and Recreation is an integral part of our community throughout this country, including the city of Sunni Al's Beach. And where else, parks and recreation promotes health and wellness, improving the physical and mental health of people who live near parks. And where else, parks and recreation promotes time spent in nature, which positively impacts mental health by increasing cognitive performance and wellbeing and alleviating illness such as depression, attention deficit disorders and Alzheimer's, and where as parks and recreation encourages physical activities by providing space for popular sports, hiking trails, swimming pools, and many other activities designed to promote active lifestyles. Whereas Parks and Recreation is a leading provider of healthy meals, nutrition services, and education. Whereas Parks and Recreation programming and education activities, such as out of school, trying programming, youth sports, and environmental education are critical to childhood development. Whereas Parks and Recreation increases a community's economic prosperity through increased property values, expansion of the local tax base, increased tourism, the attraction and retention of businesses, and crime reduction. And whereas parks and recreation is fundamental to the environmental well-being of our community. And whereas parks and recreation is essentially an adaptable infrastructure that makes our communities resilient in the face of natural disasters and climate change. Whereas our parks and natural recreation areas ensure the ecological beauty of our community and provide a place for children and adults to connect with the nature and recreate outdoors. And whereas the US House of Representatives has designated July as Parks and Recreation Month and Where as the city wishes to recognize benefits derived from Parks and Recreation Services Now therefore do I there is a special nurse mayor and on behalf of the City Commission of the City of Sonny Ausbeach Florida hereby proclaim the month of July 2024 as Parks and Recreation Month in the City of July 2024 a sparks and recreation month in the city of Sunni House Beach. Thank you very much. That was long. I couldn't have done it but so I with this proclamation I just so wanted to extend my gratitude to our CCS team. I obviously they're part of of this of what this proclamation reads so just keep kids active and people outdoors. So thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. We have a great team. Thank you. Thank you. Picture. Do you want to say something? Are you going to say something? Thank you. Okay. So now we have discussion items. The first discussion item is Yours commissioner stuva san it's a request for the nation of an ambulance to the Jewish volunteer ambulance court Actually, I yeah, I think I had never met with them. I think we all received this in email I Send the email back to Mauricio on tell, like I will say to any other company that wants to do a presentation that we will honor the request. However, I believe we did not let them know that they had the opportunity to present this item today. So maybe we should defer for another. Yeah, clearly. So for the record, we will be deferring item 3A, discussion item 3A. And like I said, I need a support or oppose this. It's just like they request to do a presentation in front of the commission. I would just like to add if I can, Alex, is that okay? Yes, that's fine. Thank you. So, for next month's stand, if this is being deferred for next month, could we also arrange to have someone from Miami-Dade fire to explain whether we have a need for another ambulance and to explain the number of calls that they receive on an annual basis and whether they need another ambulance, Miami-Dade fire themselves or we need to even consider a volunteer ambulance from some company. I think that just for clarification of the whole idea of it. I think that you need to share with me what the will of the commission is regarding the item and having someone present next month firstly, and then secondly, if you would like to have, you're requesting to have Miami-Dade fire rescue here. So I'd like to hear from you all as a group. Because if this is the process, you know, going forward, I would like to have some consensus on who's going to appear at our workshops or meetings going forward if you're going to request it individually or as a group. Does that make sense? Yes. So? Yes, that makes sense. So do we have consensus from the commission? Well, I believe like any other agenda item, if we put it on time, we can, each one bring anything that it might be of interest for the community. So I think individually, it's okay. The same way we've been doing it. I don't wanna change the process again. I think it's working right now. And if you wanna invite the fire department or Alex, me or anybody else, I don't see why that will be an issue. Like you can contact them or the same way that, like for example, this company contact all of us. And then you can add as one of the presentations that you want them to make. If they're willing to do it, clearly. So if we have an item that's being deferred, it's being deferred for when, for next month. Well, question, do we need a vote on the deferment? Not we don't need a vote to defer this discussion. I don't want to workshop. When would it be deferred to? Until they want to come if they want to. If they have the interest, you know, they request to be here. Yeah. Since it's a workshop, it's like you can agree to defer it, but you would just essentially resubmit it as a discussion item one. It's the available. Yeah, absolutely. You don't need a date certain. Okay. I just want to ask. I mean, okay. Go ahead. Jerry, just to your point. Yes. I had questions because like, you know, I keep saying I need data, data. I'm part of that data is understanding the interface, like how with the fire department. So I reached out and I set up my meeting. I had a Zoom recently and I was able to ask my questions. And I can tell you from that that, I mean, if you're looking for a recommendation, do we need it? They're not going to answer that because they're not in the position to. They can tell you our response time, you know, how many calls. They can give you the information, but that judgment of, do you actually need this? I don't think that they're going to give that to you. They will give you the data. You know, so if that's what you're looking for, I don't think you're going to get it, but you might, depending on how your conversation goes. I get well from your discussion. I don't know What questions you asked but you ask whether they themselves need additional ambulance in our area or no? I didn't ask that specifically. I was looking for response time So I was looking for the data that would help me make my own assessment. We can, you can try to schedule somebody to come in. I don't think they would say no, but scheduling can be tricky. But what Fabiola is saying is, if you make your own meeting independently, you have a lot more flexibility. But they've come before and they can have, and they give us that information in the academy also. We get the report. I know they have the data. I don't have it with me here. What I was trying to bring forward was that if we have these companies come in and give us information and we don't have full information from where Sonny Isles is lucky enough to have my immediate Fire in our city. If we don't have them here at the same time in order to, for us to understand the full situation when we're trying to make a decision like last month we were having one ambulance force down our throats without full information. You can, how can you do that? So then we go on months and months and months and we just things linger. And that's what I'm trying to have not happen is we're trying to make progress on things in the city, not to have to have it go on month after month after month without being decisive on anything. So in that regard, I think when we have a discussion item, if we can have the people come in, whether it's an afternoon workshop or in the evening, to have those people that can give us full information come in so that we can make a decision and not kick the bug at down the road anymore. I understand that what I'm trying to convey to you is not to have the expectation that these two entities are going to battle it out. They're not going to battle it out. They're just going to provide you their statistics or whatever. And then it'll be up to the commission. Statistics or basically for Miami-Dade Fire to say is based on the number of calls and a response time at all, do they themselves need another ambulance? Are they lacking an ambulance? If they tell us no where in a good shape and our response time couldn't be any quicker and having another ambulance service in the city is not going to give anywhere any benefit except for the city to spend funds that could go somewhere else to benefit residents and let them say that. I'll tell you, remembering now, like one of the things that they said that they're working on, one of the comments was they said that they're working on. One of the comments was that in a city like Sonny Alts because remember they're dealing with the whole county. But that in the city like Sonny Alts that's very high traffic and congested. Taking out the fire truck sometimes you know can be challenging because it's a massive vehicle in a very high traffic area. So, and despite that, they have good response times. But they're working on supplementing that model with smaller units. With the smaller units, I think they, I forget what they call them like a two-person unit or something like that. So they're looking at our challenges and they are looking to supplement service, but that hasn't been, that's still very much in their discussion process. So I don't know if it'll happen. If we don't bring them in and have those discussions, maybe they have an idea like that that was sitting on the back burner, but by our having that discussion with them, it prods them to you know promote a smaller vehicle sooner. All I'm saying is you can yes we can bring them in but you can also make your own meetings and you know because especially if you have a very lengthy discussion that you know then makes the meeting longer but that's up to you how you want to handle that I'm just telling you what that option is for my feeling there's nothing better than first-hand information you know for me to have a discussion with them and then to present it to the Commission it's hearsay so we can't make decisions on hearsay we have to hear first-hand information and then make rational you know decisions that move So we can't make decisions on hearsay. We have to hear firsthand information and then make rational decisions that move the city forward. Yeah, I like to hear from the fire department if you want a presentation, whether it's here during a workshop setting or not. I'm willing to listen. Yeah. And I'm so glad to hear that they're looking to promote a smaller vehicle. Maybe that's something that now that we have that idea, maybe we can get them to move it ahead more quickly. So next steps, Jerry, you want to get in touch with the fire department? Talk to Stan about it. Yeah, who usually sets those up? Is that through your office, Stan? Yes, that's procedurally how it's supposed to work, which is to my point. So if you're putting things on the agenda and I'm not aware of it. Correct. I don't coordinate who is here or who is not here. And so I guess my question was I would like to know from the commission first if you have any interest in adding any additional ambulance or services. If you do, then part of my background would be to also contact fire rescue if you, to get information from them. If you don't, if we don't have consensus as a group, then there's no reason for me to bring fire rescue in. That's those are the discussions I'm trying to figure out. Well, I think this ambulance issue, I mean, I think we're still discussing it. It's still simmering in our minds. And I think to Jerry's point, I think we need more data. And I think, to my opinion, speaking to the fire department, perhaps perhaps will be a good first step To understand the needs Service the speed of service anything that they are lacking It said any future plans for improvements, etc. So yeah, I like to listen to them I don't know if my fellow commissioners have the same feeling. Okay, so as a group, would there be consensus for me to ask fire rescue to attend our next workshop to give us just an overview of services that they're providing? Yes, and I would say yes. And also for the last month we had a proposal regarding an ambulance corps this month we had one that they just were notified but possibly then next month that be older you can contact these people and they can also. I would send them an email. Yes. Yeah. To have them also show up. Do you want to be here that we are providing that set? Exactly. Because also we need to know if we're going to have an additional service, we need to know what their connection is with Miami-Dade Fire right now. It could be that we're looking to get an ambulance from a service that's not in coordination with Miami-Dade Fire. Understood. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so we have consensus. We know next steps. Next item, item 3B. Yes. As a discussion regarding the ordinance requiring remediation of swell areas. That's you, Mr. Jerry Joseph. Yes So I had brought this issue up previously regarding swell areas Particularly I know of in golden shores, but I'm sure in Poincyana Atlantic aisle and even in areas on Collins Avenue, where the condos have swell areas and property. And in order to alleviate flooding, there is ground that is not, doesn't have, and you can see after a heavy rain, where there are puddles and the soil is not, doesn't have the absorption, you would think. And the reason being that at one time or another, there was gravel laid down that was not dug out. And at the time that I previously made this request for an ordinance, the end result was that we were stamping on future plans for development that before a CO, the developer would be pulling out the gravel. So I don't know for myself whether that language is actually being stamped on all plans. Yes? Okay. Or whether it's being followed through on. But then in that regard as well, we have properties that were built prior to that language being stamped on plans, which needs to be dealt with because after any rain at all, we drive around and we see that we have mosquito havens on properties where we have that gravel in the ground and sod would just put right on top of it. So I'm asking that we have some type of ordinance that we can go to those homeowners and say, look, you have this situation. That needs to be remedied. It's not a big job to do, but it certainly aids in the need to have to spray from mosquitoes and all. If this water was being absorbed, there wouldn't be mosquito larvae developing in this area. And that's what I'm asking for at this point to go back and rather than along with the language being stamped on future plans to be able to go to homeowners or any condo owners where we see sitting water and let them know that that ground needs to be dug out and replaced with up to four feet of clean fill. We have an ordinance regarding standing water. We don't have in the ordinance a requirement that there be a remediation and the removal of up to four feet of fill. In my general discussions with the city engineer, something like that could have the potential to affect water lines or electric lines or some things like that. So we'd like to look at it a little bit further, look at our existing ordinance and see if perhaps it can be strengthened or revised to meet some of these requirements. And additionally, you just note that any changes you make to your code would be prospective, not remedial. So those are existing non-conforming uses. So you couldn't go back and force somebody to change their sway, but any changes applied for or any prospective development you could apply an ordinance to So I have a question so at this point when somebody's building the new house, right? And they let they lay down the gravel and Then they force a ment on top of that Did have we because I think I saw clay nod and I'm not sure did we revise our building code or ordinance for that builder or that future homeowner to remove the gravel before? So nothing, so that has not taken place. We have implemented a stamp on the plans that speaks to that and we have also implemented where our city engineer does a final inspection to ensure that any type of drainage is met and proper according to the plan. So that is in place currently. Okay, all right. But that, if I can say that, you know, that issue gets overlooked a lot. If the homeowner puts down sod and then they have a CO, you know, an inspection for a CO, the inspector never knows what's under the sod. So if we have an ordinance regarding the requirement to dig out the gravel which we don't really have right now, I think that would be helpful. And also regarding our code with regarding standing water, I think if we see standing water, we know what the issue is that gravel has not been removed. So even if you don't go down, and I don't know myself, regarding the utilities, how far down they put their pipes in all, but I think even if you would have put two feet of clean fill, which I think is if I can ask anyone in the audience happen to know how far down typical utilities are laid underground? Clay? It would, we can go back and research it. We don't ask questions from people. I'm sorry. I had thrown in four feet just to have it be the most effective as far as absorption, but according to how many feet the utilities are, we could adjust the amount of fill to have it still have an ordinance go through without having that be the reason that we don't enact an ordinance at all. Okay, we can certainly look at it. All right, sir. Thank you. Okay next item item 3c discussion regarding revisions to section 201-5 fireworks and that is you Jerry again? Yes. Okay so I noticed prior to the 4th of July, the city put out a notice saying that fireworks were not allowed on the beach in parks, but they didn't mention anything regarding neighborhoods. So our fireworks allowed in the neighborhoods and just not on the beach in the parks. That's correct. So there's been a moratorium, a state moratorium on the ability of local government to actually enact laws regarding fireworks. It is, fireworks are only permitted three times a year under state statute, which is New Year's, New Year's Day, and Fourth of July. Otherwise, there may be a the county also bands those. And with regards to the beach, being that it's Miami Dades beach, they also have regulations in place with regards to that. But on those three holidays, they would be allowed to set them off in the neighborhoods. OK, so anyone can set off fireworks in their backyard and have a party and have fireworks. Yeah and there's a variety of and it depends. There's we don't I don't believe we have any retailers in the city of for fireworks but there's also it gets very convoluted as to them being able to get the fireworks. I think a lot of places there's only legal fireworks are only for agricultural purposes but I've from anecdotally what I understand is for you to get your hands on those types of fireworks. You sign some paperwork that says it's for agricultural purposes and then nobody questions it. So but the state has allowed the use of such fireworks on those three days. Aside from that, they're not prohibited. Okay. And cities are not allowed to enact any ordinances regarding neighborhood fireworks. Correct. But the only caveat to that I would say, like with our public parks, not so much as a regulatory body, but that's our property, right? So that's our land. So let's say the beach, we own the beach. Then if we own the beach, we could do it under that ownership hat versus regulatory hat, same with our parks. So I think you're fine with prohibiting them in your parks. It's just that in the neighborhoods and individual uses the state kind of takes over. So I'll just have to get my dogs headphones. Yeah. Allen does. That's our ordinance distinguished between residential like a golden shores like versus the North Bay Road where my goal is is, I mean, can people just set off fireworks? No, the fireworks. The fireworks section, it's basically a park rule that's codified in section 201-5. And it makes, if I can find it, the exact area. No person may bring into or have an exposition or set off or otherwise cause to explode, discharge, or burn in any park area or any public lands or highways adjacent there too. Any firecrackers, torpedoes, rockets, toy firearms, cannons, blah blah blah blah blah. Fireworks are explosives of inflammable material or any substance compounds that may explode discharge or burn unless first obtaining written permission from the department director. So it's actually a park rule, essentially, in that section of the coast, so that's the only language pertaining to it. Yeah, I don't feel you're answering my question. North Bay Road, can people come out of their condos and set off fireworks in the middle of North Bay Road on the 4th of July? Yes. They can. OK. Now, if there's safe discharge and unsafe discharge. Obviously, if you're discharging it and shooting it towards another building. Well, that's the problem, right? This is a very dense. It is, but you can't be. It's a very dense. You can't outright prohibit them, but certainly if law enforcement or anyone else reports it I Even though I can set up a firework on New Year's date on New Year's Eve Doesn't mean that I could shoot it towards stand right? I can't point it towards standing shooting towards him or Inside a house or those rules are still in place Maybe this needs some some looking into because I don't see how in a Narrow dense I'm looking into because I don't see how in a narrow, dense, densely populated area with a narrow road, I don't see how there's a safe way to set off anything, in any direction, you know what I'm saying? But I know, but the state, it's all state regulated. Well, somebody just say to the advocacy. Oh well. And I mean, there have been efforts for years of for cities to try to outright ban them because of the issues you raised with pets and with veterans and things of that sort, but that's fallen on death years in Kalahassi. All right, I'm glad we had clarification. But certainly, you know, anybody that's seen dangerously setting off fireworks, that's something different. That's subjective, right? And I mean, well, it is, but sometimes it's not. Yeah, sometimes it's obvious, but I think in an environment like ours, right, this is the issue, these laws are made with some concept and that nobody thinks about a city like ours. We're not like most cities. And I don't think that this law adequately addresses our concerns. No, I understand that it's not for you to fix or for us to fix, but that's good to know. I thought you couldn't. I thought you couldn't do it on the road. You can't do it on the road. I mean, when you say North Bay Road, I mean, again, it can't be on the road, it can't be, you know, that type of thing. Well, I'm talking about the street. Right, no, the street itself, no. So, that's, but that's a different set of laws. That's, you can't just like discharging firearms, you know, it's not all do it though. Like when you go in that residential area, they are not doing it in their yards. And it depends what work. And when I set their gardens on fire, so they do it on the pavement. And it depends whose road it is. It depends. OK, so but that's my question. North Bay Road. Is a main road. It's a city road. It's pavement. So you're telling me no. No, because they're technically obstructing the roadway. Okay, so then. But that's not, has nothing to do with fireworks in a sense. I don't care where the law comes from as long as it addresses our needs. So it's not because it's dangerous or not dangerous, it's because you're obstructing the road. I'm good with that. I'm good with that. Yeah. But again, just to, on the enforcement side, it gets very tricky because there's a great picture of Los Angeles after they banned fireworks. And you see all the fireworks everywhere. And you don't have a large enough law enforcement force to go to every street. That's where the challenge really comes in is, even having it on the books, it's so hard to regulate because they're just going off everywhere. Commissioner, could you turn on your microphone please? Yeah, I had people writing to me on the 4th July that the beach is inundated with alcohol and fireworks and you know the enforcement is difficult especially you know the vehicles, they go on the sand and they sink in and get stuck in. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. Next item, item 3D, discussion regarding additional speed bumps and golden shores. Commissioner Joseph. Okay. be bumps and golden shores? Commissioner Joseph. So I had the opportunity to take a drive through with Stan, our city manager, and golden shores. We have, I believe, what was it, 15 speed humps that were installed, but in a haphazard manner, which no one can rationalize, and we need a lot more. And this ride through was at least what, two months ago now. And we've had no action whatsoever. So I had to bring it up again because we have actually, there are areas where we have actually there are areas where we have a speedway in golden shores That needs to be addressed and it's not happening so I Need to take it further and see what can happen Well a couple of things after our review I have sat down with a city engineer and we've looked at the area as a whole The first thing to note is that this is a county road so anything that we do there. We call those golden shores as a county road. Requires county approval. Yes. And so that's the first challenge with adding additional speed tables, speed humps, speed bumps. The second thing to consider that we're reviewing is the effect of adding additional speed tables on emergency response. So there's a lot of factors to consider before we go in and start adding additional speed homes throughout the area. So we have to look at the challenge of our emergency response. And I have the city attorney, So we have to look at the challenge of our emergency response. And I have the city engineers doing some additional research to see what the average, I would say decline in response time would be per speed table that we add because every second counts in an emergency. So we're trying to figure out that formula. And then the last thing we're trying to determine is we want to do a speed study to see if there's areas throughout Golden Shores where there's actually speeding that we could deter through either additional enforcement prior to the installation of speed tables. The other thing to consider is there are specific processes and means when you're adding in speed table in terms of location where it could be potentially too close to a stop sign. So it decreases its ability to bring about the required action or the other issue and the challenges installing a speed table or speed hump for someone's ingress or egresses for their property. Some people do not want it at their driveway. So those are the various factors that we have to review in this. It's not a matter of us being able to go out and just add some speed tables throughout the area. So the 15 that were added originally, how were the location of those determined? Rick, do you wanna come up and speak to some of that please? Hi Rick, and you were gracious enough to be along with us on that right through. Yes. Yes. I don't know if this is on, but the location of the speed tables that were there were basically the same locations we had on previously that our engineer took to Miami Dade and got re-approved. So they're where they were before. So we would just replace them as part of the undergrounding project and paving project. The ones that didn't get put in were because Miami Dade felt that weren't warranted there due to driveway connection points or location within the block. So those are the ones we can revisit. Right. So you saw when we did the drive through that you have from 189th Street all the way up on 186th to Collins, it's a speedway there with not one speed hump. Which is, yeah, almost at least three quarters of a mile without a speed hump. Straight run and cars speed there all the time. That we can determine. Okay, and then there's not one speed hump on Atlantic at all. But that people they are there they're in the 189 area but they didn't put the ones I believe there was one south of there should have been replaced also down around 186. Right but there's nothing there. No and this is the street that people use for the pass-through when there's traffic on Collins. So if we had more speed humps there, it would deter them from doing that. And it's also a safety problem because we have a lot of kids on scooters, on Atlantic, and the speed humps, even though they have to be careful and they should wear their helmets, but they don't. The cars, it slows down the cars from flying through. Correct, that's the purpose of speed tables. Yes, but they're not there. So I'm requesting that we have once installed even temporary ones. I have neighbors calling me every day. We can't do temporary speed-ups. Excuse me? We can't do a temporary speed-up. We had screwed in once previously. They are not permitted. Oh, they're not their violation of my heavy-day code and we can't put those back. Okay, so all that time we were in violation. Correct. Okay. All right, so then the permanent ones then, the permanent one is then. That's the process we would look at. Okay. So, is it in process or not now? Yes. So, how many do we have in process? Well, it's under review. And, like I said, one of the things to consider is also the effect it may have on emergency response vehicles. And then, once we finish our review, we would bring it back to the commission where the commission would give us the direction to add additional speed tables if that's what you all agree. So how long might that be? It's undetermined because we'd have to go through Miami-Dade County. So. Okay. But it hasn't been submitted to Miami-Dade. So how long before it goes through Miami-Dade County. Okay, but it hasn't been submitted to Miami-Dade, so how long before it goes to Miami-Dade? We're still reviewing the data. I'll give you a timeline on that. So it could be never? No. Okay. It won't be never. There's a lot of elements that have to be put together. I'm not exactly sure how each of those are going to, how much each of those may take once we start getting into them more. So there's no time for you to leave it all? So it could be within the end of the month. Okay. Could be a middle of August. Okay. But, you know, I mean, it's not six months down the road. Right. Okay. So I should continue to ask to make to make initial submittals, right? Okay, right. The final answer is I can't give you that date until we get into it. Right. Okay. So I'll just continue to pursue it. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The only comment I have about that is that I've noticed that depending on the type of speed bump, if it's not sizeable enough or raised enough, that some drivers are crazy enough to just speed through them. So I would just give that observation. I believe we have replaced, we had some smaller ones along 172nd and North Bay Road on the south side and I think the north side too and those are better now but just that observation I just want to put that out there. During our meetings I wanted to explain that it was a good point that was brought to me by Rick which is the effect on the possibility of response times for emergency vehicles coming in. So yes, it may decrease speeders but we also have to consider potential, the effect it would have on emergency vehicles. So that's why we're looking at it as a group and then we'll bring it back to you all for determination. And there's also having dealt with this issue before. There's also regulations as to how they're done, the grade, the height. So because you pitch it too high, you're going to damage a lot of transmissions, right? So there's a lot of standards by which the city engineer and others have to follow. Sometimes they seem ineffective, but we don't have much of a choice on how to grade them. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And the other comments before we had adjourned, I think we're done. What is this? That's for this evening. Oh, so, okay. This is for this evening. Okay, yeah, I was not given any instruction on this. No, so, okay. It is for this evening. Okay. Yeah, I was not giving any instruction on this. No, we're going to have a discussion whether to add it. Okay. All right. Okay. But I was told that we have to bring that up at 6.30. Okay. All right. Would that be, go ahead and join the first time. No, I just wasn't sure on the process, because this is like a, since we split the meetings, I don't know. Yeah, I didn't mention it, because I was not giving any instruction on this, and I thought it was, it was going to be for 6.30 since it says resolution. So just, if I may, vice-marry, just to clarify, because that's an actionable item, and being that we are in a workshop that has weighed until 6 30 o'clock so that'll be part of the order of business portion of that. Yeah that's what I thought because it says this resolution is presented so I thought it was 30 we vote whether whether you'll consider it or not. Okay all right perfect okay all right well I'll call to adjourn. All right. Do I hear a motion? Yeah. And adjourn, thanks. Oh yeah, no motion, yeah, thanks. Thank you.