You ready? Welcome everyone to our committee of the home where we're going to review our storm water master plan. Can we go ahead and begin with the roll call please? Mohammed Floyd, here. Curtis, here. Gabbert, Montenegro, here. Hannah Witts, here. Big Sanders, here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Hereveen. Oh, we have I don't have the agenda in front of me. Y'all has been one of those days. It really has been one of those days. I think I'm ready to move on to the next month. Council members we haven't agenda before. It's our entertainment motion if there are no changes all in favor. Aye. Those opposed. We have minutes from June 12th Committee of the whole if there are no changes or comments are entertained emotion for approval. I have a question. Yes. I want actually a statement first first of all any council members that read these minutes I have to give a shout out to Kimberly Amos. I told her personally, but the minutes for the committees of the whole that dealt with the gas plant were extremely long, those were extremely long meetings. The minutes on this is 12 pages, and I will tell you that I used the minutes in preparation for those meetings, and I thought they were fantastic. So I thought she deserved to be acknowledged for the work on those minutes so thank you and I'll move approval with that. Thank you all in favor. All right those opposed and you are so correct every time I read them I just think about them I was like oh my gosh she really is a goat when it comes down to these meetings so again thank you Kim thank you council member Hannah wits for that recognition. So now we're going to move into our new business and that will be our stormwater master plan presenting by our engineering director, Mr. Bajesh Pranman. I could say it comes for members, as always, it's a pleasure being here today. Now, just to give an update, it is, you know, we've presented the Stormwater Master Plan previously last year on May 2025. So some of the slides that I have in here, I will draw back to, just to, you know, soak a back on what we committed to, and where we are now. And here we are, a year later, we do have, you know, the Master Plan in and we're coming in a very close period of time. And I'm very glad to also have some staff from other departments, Liz Abinathian, her team, as well as from the engineering department, Roger Johnson, the design manager for the water environment and also Michael Perry from the stormwater pavement and traffic operations department. I think that's the crew I have here. And with that, I'll go ahead and get started. So the objective of the presentation today is really to give that current status the next steps and also walk you through how we developed that project development methodology. Also the project ranking criteria, examples of some of the recommended projects, funding and implementation strategy, some of the other benefits we've seen so far from the master plan and the data that we've leveraged and also coming into some possible code revisions. And I hope hopefully all of you all did receive a little care packet that we did give to you. Sorry we could not email it. The data was so dense. It was actually too large to even email internally. So that is available on the city's intranet. It's loaded up on the viewers. So you can look at that on our PWA viewer and I will be glad to get with anyone who wrote individually if you would like to see how to access that within the pit or within the intranet. So you can look at that on our PWA view, and I will be glad to get with anybody from the individuality. If you would like to see how to access that within the PIT or within the internet. So you can see how it actually affects individual streets within your neighborhood. So again, just to touch on a few items. On April of 2021, we did do a call update on the watershed evaluation and the management plan development. In 2023, we went through some of how we were doing the public outreach, the public comments, the modeling approach, and also developing how we're going to develop those draft recommendations and the draft stormwater floodplains were presented. So you do have a care package from the last cow. That is for your record, please know that this one replaces that data. Because that was the draft floodplains. These are floodplains that are now approved by the water management district. So the objective is really to gather feedback on some of the recommended code revisions that will come towards the end. And then approval of some of the red line comments that we, so that once we get that approval, then we can go back and take those red line comments and notes that we will be taking to provide any code recommended updates and bring back later to the committee for whole or the put in committee for its approval and we're still working through on how to actually get and what is the mechanism of the approval of the stormwater master plan for the CRS credits. So I know there's a CRS presentation until the next call and by that time we'll finalize what is the mechanism? Is it an ordinance? Is it adopted I know there's a CRS presentation at the next call, and by that time we'll finalize what is the mechanism, is it an ordinance, is it adopted by the committee, what's the method of getting that, how we record it, so that we can get our CRS credit. So based on all the feedback and conversation today, we'll probably be bringing some code revisions, a lead on in the the winter to support the implementation of the stormwater master plan and some of the compliance elements. So what is a stormwater master plan often referred to as a watershed plan and I want to, in the industry, we refer to it as that watershed management or water shed plan itself. Typically, loose-lingual in general context, people refer to it as a master plan. But I want you all to take good perspective in it because a master plan in general context, people will think, OK, a master plan means that's the plan to keep, I'm fit fit together everything. But a watershed management plan, a watershed plan is really all the options within those watersheds and how do you manage it? Because watersheds evolve over time based on the topography, the rein events, the future conditions of sea level rise or even natural developments. Now those evolve over time, so the management plan of a watershed evolves over time as well. So this is a plan that was developed within a planning horizon. It includes considerations for sea level rise and it is an element of the community rating system. And it is a long-term vision document that will guide us out to provide our investments. Now, what's really important in it, it is not a stagnant plan. So it gives us a strategic approach as to how we implement our improvements within the city limits. But it offers quite a library of different improvements. And again, it's within that planning horizon. So not all of them will be implemented. Think of it like, you know, when we go through a study to do an update on assets in general, like Seawalls, we know that this is a priority of all bridges this is our next group even though we have you know x number of bridges but this is the quickest highest ranking one even though we may have 83 82 bridges the first 14 or 16 these are the priorities and you know based on conditions we will adjust those priorities. So the project development methodology was quite intensive. It involved public input, public meetings, cyclic fix, also emails, communications, telephone calls. Everything was documented for input. Then also environmental data, sea level rise projections, rainfall historical information as well as future projections. We also combined that with surface data, LIDA, from the water management district and also supplemented it with topographic data. We went out and surveyed well over 2,000 data points within the city and also picked up additional assets that we may not have had the information for. Why did we do that? Because we wanted to calibrate that surface that was picked up by the LiDAR with actual feel verified data and readjust that surface so that we're within hundreds of accuracy. So taking all that information, we digested it, massaged it, and that's how we developed the model. The model went through an intensive review process with the water management district, as well as having an independent review, third party review by the water management district. All those comments were addressed, and also we did public meetings really gathering feedback from the public to say hey these are the draft floodplates. What you're seeing on your street is it consistent. So we did a preliminary public meeting, lots of preliminary public meetings and input to gather information. Then we did a follow-up public meeting, asking those neighborhoods and those residents, look at your street. Where it shows that pink, or you want a heavy rain event, do you really see flooding there, or does it extend further? And we took that information, we further refined and made sure our data was accurate. We took that information, and then we ran multiple model scenarios and developed in our technology best management practices typical to movie projects or list the projects and we'll go through where we identified it. So the projects would develop consistent with that planning horizon in vision 2050. The tailwater condition was consistent with the regional planning council recommendations for the NOAA intermediate high. Seal of a rise for 2050 of 1.4 feet. And to our benefit, we do have a buoy right in our downtown area at the port, the Coast Guard location. Rainfall events, historical events as well as establish from water management district, we model specifically the year 24-hour event as well as the 100-year 24-hour event. We did also model other events, the 25-year 24-hour event, and I will touch on that on the later slides why we model those events. Rotary level of service was evaluated and based on the 10 year 24-hour event, and buildings were evaluated based on the 100 year 24-hour event for structural damage. Now for illustration purposes, it was easier for me just to pull out group 4. Now I'm sorry there's no correlation between the groups and the console districts, but I assure you in the viewer you can select your console district option so that way you can now run down into that district. So group four, which is shown on the image on the far left, this is how we gathered information from the public. All those blue dots will complaints or concerns that we got from residents, whether it be sea click fix, public meetings, they put a spot on the map, they gave us their comments and email, or anything of that nature. So all the blue dots were public comments. The red dots are the BMPs. How those red dots were developers looking at the information and comparing it to the model that we had and extracting that group. The data is so big, we had to run a model in several groups just to be able to run it in an efficient timeline. What I want to emphasize is that you only see a few dots because the projects are not localized. These are regional benefit projects. They're the largest scale projects. So one project is going to address multiple seek-link fix within that district or within that basin. It's not addressing the few. So that's the key objective of this BMP is that we developed a work through. So again, it's regional benefit, not localized benefit. The local will still benefit from the projects because they are seeing the benefit based on their complaints and their area, but a project of such a scale is a large of benefit. So just to touch on the project ranking criteria, projects identified within the master plan represents needs throughout the city. Again mentioning the projects are regional in nature and a may address multiple flood concerns or multiple residential complaints. Projects were ranked based on the following multi criteria. It was an empirically based criteria. We looked at multiple different master plans and really came up with an objective way of ranking and prioritizing these projects. When you calculate that data and actually sorry we'll touch on that in the next slide but now we'll touch on some of the examples of the projects. So the light blue is what you would see on a typical on the 10 year 24 hour flood plane. So that is where flooding can be experienced. The dark blue is with the improvements how it's been reduced. So in this type of improvement you would see 46 structures have been removed from the 100-year floodplain. What we're also engaging in the improvements in is how much miles of roadway we've removed from that floodplain. So we're addressing public safety. How fast people can get in and out of the communities and in need of an emergency. Here's another good example. Didn't this examples in the emerald leak area? And this is a particularly interesting example because something like this, we may or may not put in as a capital improvement project. It may be something that we can do out of, you know, so like we've just recently included some of the increase of funding for funding requests for resiliency or stormwater improvements. This is a $600,000 project, but it results in moving 19 structures from the 100-year floodplain for $600,000. So there are some projects, but this provides a regional benefit as well. It's a substantially. That. Sorry, interrupt you, Rejection. You just, you hit on something that kind of stuck out to me. It's obviously with the first project that you talked about. The estimated project cost is over 9.5 million dollars. The next project you were just talking about is $600,000. Does the estimated project cost play a part in your overall ranking? Yes. So that is cost-based in dollars? I'm sorry, I missed that. No, I was pulling Andrew and really going quickly like this morning. But yeah, the cost is real quick. I'm going to get the car. No, no, I want to get to the code section because I think your inputs probably the most critical on the code. Well, and I read that slide and I was being a fast guy too and I wasn't paying attention to the last damn line. So that's my fault. Thank you for that. Sorry to interrupt. No, it's all right. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for your time. OK, so in this example, the third example, sorry, OK, the third example is 17 Avenue South. It's a larger project, but it moves 56 structures from the 100-year floodplain. And you could see just the change between the light blue to the dark blue, how much we're reducing the flood in that area. So I want to touch on some of the funding and implementation strategy. The master plan has identified projects and associated benefits. However, we're working towards strategically aligning those such that we can leverage alternative funding opportunities. And I think in the last year around the fiscal year, this is a perfect example. This is only a few of the projects that we obtained grants on from projects that were done. And there were other projects that we received grants on, but we did not include it yet. Because some of those projects would not, we didn't sign those agreements or we didn't execute it yet. So, for purposes, I didn't include it. But here's a good example of a few projects, $26 million in what would have cost to do these projects with city funds only. Because of the data that we developed in the store motor master plan and having that background information at good, strong model, we were able to leverage it to preliminary design reports and leverage it to receive $15 million in grants. So we're putting in less than how much we expect to, how much we would have put in for at least half of the projects. So projects are already initiated in the CIP. We have submitted those on the highest rank criteria projects coming down. We'll continue to on the highest rank criteria projects coming down. We'll continue to also look at opportunities where we could combine projects with other infrastructure improvements. A good example of that is the 62nd Avenue North project. So combining it, there will be multiple benefits across multiple assets across the ship. The other opportunities is also we're looking at strategically when can we align with grants that can fit those particular projects to minimize the impacts on our residents and the ratepayers. So we will continue to look at all the opportunities and I think so far for a master plan that we spent $3 million to develop. We've received $15 million just on three projects so far. Now, this is an example of the slide that I wanted to go back to. This is what I presented on May of 2023. The FIIS-1, the immediate needs that we were concerned with, regulatory compliance, the implementation of critical health, and for each one of these, the items in green is how we have already addressed these items, from what we presented in May to today. So we've already hired an NPDS coordinator for the city. We're implementing critical health and safety projects. The highest rank projects are being entered in the CIP based on the empirical ranking criteria. Projects are ranked across the city regardless on anything else. It's ranked across the city in that empirical manner. Enhance Maintenance and asset management program. We have selected an AE to perform a citywide condition assessment of the entire stormwater system. So we have the stormwater plan. Now we're going to go through and do a citywide cleaning and condition assessment of the entire city storm water system. We'll have an accurate GIS database of not only the location, the X, Y and Z, but also the condition, which will reduce our risk on collapsed pipes, road depressions, or even impacts to our access and roads. Which is, what is the AA? I'll contact the engineer. OK, thanks. Sorry, I should have spalled out. That will help us develop that gap analysis on all asset management. So everything within our fees one, we are, have either completed or we are in the process of completing right now. The fees too, the near-to-em actions projects are being entered within the CIP based on the priority. The highest-ranked projects have been included in the Kaplan improvement plan. And we are going to continue to leverage other projects for stormwater benefit, by example, the 60-second-owned new project. Adapt the phase tree, the longer-term strategy. This is where we're going to come into comments on the recent legislative changes, effective July 1st, and some supplemental revisions that will be coming into play 18 months from July 1st. And I'll touch on those elements in the next slide. That's the two things I wanted to turn. Integrate within the one-water approach. That is what we're doing right now, by example. Again, going back to that 60-second-hour project. So the other benefits. So while the stormwater master plan has provided a fiscal benefit and quality of life, the intention of that, what we've seen and what we've leveraged here is a map of a recent storm event. What we've done during any emergency operations is we're able to simulate that surge based on the tide data that we are getting either between the same people and the sample people because we see a little fluctuations depending on that wind. So we're running live. Every time we get an update, we will update the mapping. We're able to dispatch police or emergency operations to shut down those roads before people get down those roads that they're flooded. Now, what's also interesting is during one of the rain events, you know, we have staff out there that are actually out there comparing this map to the actual field observations. And I got comments from one city staff member that I was seeing in their backyard. The model showed the map showed that the right side of their property was flooding and not the left side right now. And that's exactly what I'm seeing. We are within hundreds of photofactor see. So the next step is we have already developed a viewer that during emergency operations, we will pull that trigger essentially, and that viewer will be running a direct update to the newer simulations of any storm and also the serial data for coastal emergency response and every time we get a projection update and a surge up and a surge model update we can replicate it directly for the city and have an accurate look at exactly what streets, what neighborhoods may be impacted every time we get a track change from NOAA. So that's a level of benefit we've been seeing. The last few storm events we have been able to, while we're tracking damage, we've been able to dispatch emergency operations in a very efficient manner. Because we knew what roads we can access. We knew exactly what neighborhoods were impacted, and we knew exactly the routes to get there. We knew exactly what it tell people, okay, this is the time we can start seeing the tide to go down, and our emergency operations staff on the field say, yep, it's going down this time, we're getting ready to back up the roads. So our efficiency and our response until our residents has drastically increased. There's one thing I did not touch on this and Claudia you want to mention it on the Voluntary side, the Voluntary study in the future. So yes, thank you, Claud Tancersley, your public works administrator. Next week we're going be bringing to Council for approval a vulnerability assessment that's gonna be funded through a grant project. And we're gonna be able to use this information that we've already gotten from this study as part of that vulnerability assessment. So it just saves us that extra time and money. So. vulnerability assessment. So it just saves us that extra time and money. So quick question. You were going over being that page in the caption at the bottom of the picture confused me a little bit when I was looking at it. This is image of a surge impact map generated for a previous storm event. Is it from a previous storm event or for a future storm event. So that was live during a storm event. We generated this map based on the actual tie data we were recording. We simulated this map and we will accurate to what we were seeing. And that's all we're able to do. It's a real is from a previous event because it's passed. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. So as before we go into the court discussions and recommendations, just some comments on the recent legislative update. On 628, there were revision Senate Bill 7040 that put substantial water quality and water quantity requirements and future permitting for stormwater. On 7-1, April 1st came into effect and there are specific requirements already in the permitting handbook. Now here's the interesting thing because it was approved by the state and then put into Florida Administrative Code, then it goes to the water management district, they have to develop the policies and the guidance on the Pumitin requirements. Once we have that, then we on the city side get and replicate what are the code revisions that do not contradict it. So some of the water quality code requirements or water quantity code requirements, we may have to defer slightly on just until, and by October we may get good guidance, but I would not suggest we go and make major revisions to our code recommendations for quality and quantity, and then be superseded by the state in any form of fashion and or contradiction to the state guidance. So by December of 2028, that's where the major guidance is going to come into play. And it requires 80% reduction in post development of total phosphorus and 45 reduction on post development for total nitrogen. So it's a substantial reduction on nutrient loading. And it is something I know Roger just attended on one of the FSA committees as well, but we'll continue to follow the progression of the guidance and the design guidance and permitting guidance. So the recommended code updates, right now the city's code points directly to the Florida administrative code. We were deferred to keeping that consistent and not varying from that. But we are going to suggest code recommendations on the following pages, and I don't expect you all to read it all right now. It is quite a bit. But the main intention of the code recommendations is to be providing water quantity, but not too much on the water quality yet, because we're still looking for recommendations on the final guidance from the state's level so Like so these are some of the recommendations we're looking at Changing our design storm event from a 10 year one hour to 10 year 24 The state guidance right now is going to go to a 25 year, 24 hour event. So this starts to bring us in line. Right now the water management district is still enforcing the 100 year, 24 hour event flood planes that you have. So even if you are applying for a permit on a private development, you still have to do water quality and water quantity for a 25-year 24-hour event, but you now have to do no flood blame impacts for a hundred-year 24-hour event. And then we'll have the 10-year 24-hour event. So an entity, may get an exemption, sorry, a developer may get an exemption under one category, but still may not be able to meet our 10-year 24-year. So at least we can look, and we will continue to monitor it as the policies update. And again, on these new water treatment quality requirements, because here's the ultimate path in it Because the treatment and attenuation requirements for nutrient reduction is so high That's probably going to outweigh the design storm runoff requirements Just based on calculations because you're going to have to have more time of attenuation Holding that water on your site to reduce your nutrient loading So you have volume of flow, but you have quantity of flow. So you want to reduce your nutrient, you have to reduce the amount of volume get out too quickly. So you have that time for the nutrients to settle out. So because you're reducing it by such a volume on that same storm event, you can't discharge that same storm event? You can't discharge that same storm event rate. So you may be able to meet your quantity flow, meaning you can handle a 25 year 24 event, but because you have to treat too much nutrient loading, you have to slow down the amount of discharge you have as in your development. So that means you have the whole amount on your site to treat it. So that's where the benefit is going to be. So it's not necessarily that there's going to be more flow coming out all the time. Based on the design parameters, you may be held back by you having to treat so much water that you can't discharge it at a 25 year 10 or 24 year event rate. You may have to discharge it at a much slower rate. Make sense? So some of the code requirements that we're looking at. The first one is an APW requirement, just to maintain certification, or that all work with the NSERIW is consistent. And we're taking the same opportunity just to update some guidelines to be consistent with statutory guidance and updates. But you would see specifically like in section 7, a lot of these are really addressing possible sources of nutrient loading or discharge. The stormwater capacity and the sea wall maintenance and repair, that's a very important one to us as well because right now private properties, how holding them responsible for maintaining the sea wall because if the sea wall collapses, it starts to impact the flow capacity within the channels. These are the heavy ones on the water quality And this is really what we're going to focus on quite a bit of our code recommendations is to enhance our MS4 program. We have a program, but we want to build it. We want to make it stronger. Futurizer regulations. Just making a more consistent with the Penalas County. Construction and site maintenance. We've gotten all of us have driven around and I've seen that you know I've always received some phone calls and we want to get on private developers or city contractors and making sure that they comply with the requirements of discharge and that's consistent on both on the three six items. In Chapter on Section 11, again, another MS4 requirement, just primarily code definitions, additional powers to the POD. This is where we're looking for enforcement capabilities. And Joe was spoke about some of these enforcement at a previous meeting with committee. And the challenge is I don't want to issue a violation to you, a resident, when you've hired Consumem Mohanoets as your contractor. And she's actually doing a bad job. So I want to. I'm in the highmate, this example. I don't know. Other people in here Okay, yeah been the kind of day for everybody. I'm waiting out on the way. All right. Don't use the word bad job again. OK, yeah. OK, so the intention is that if a contractor is not complying or violating or causing damage to the public right away, it's not effective for us to go after the resident, who is hiring a contractor to do it, but this contractor is getting a warning for us on this property, but then gets another permit on the street, and then we have to issue them a warning on that property, and then a warning another property. Instead, we need to go after the contractor who's causing those issues within the right of it. And again, some of these, you know, we were dealing with one resident who was dealing with the contractor on a private, on right of the way, the improvement that she received, the residents 80 years old. I can't issue a violation of the resident for 80 years when the contractor is the one who is doing the work on her property and has damaged the coop. So issuing us better authority to issue violations or also seek remedy. There's a substantial amount of time effort, time and effort, and cost that is involved in tracking down some of these contractors and being able to find them and recoup some of that cost for the city and our residents is what we'll be seeking as well. Nice, that's good. Yes, please. Okay, nice to meet you. Okay, I'll send him every Monday. I just wanted to kind of get a little more specific on these this enforcement issue. Give me an example. Could a resident get find? So if are we talking about residential enforcement here? No, this is or that is for us. Court enforcement enforces on the residential and private side. Right. No. Given we're looking for the ultimate cause. If the resident is discharging themselves, then yes, they will be at fault. So that's the road I want to go down. So our residents are going to be grandfathered in. If they've got, let's, you know, not exactly sure what we're talking about here, but if they have like some sort of drainage system in their house to like drain water away from their house, could somebody come after them? Oh, well, okay, that's, I mean, if they have a drainage system, okay, so let me take a step back. These are good questions because this is what we need. We don't want to red line, say 60, 70 pages, I'm bringing to your, we need this sort of feedback, so we know what the red line, what the objective is. Right. So the objective, ultimately, if a stormwater guttering, The objective, ultimately, if a stormwater guttering, those exist in the city. So we've seen some private properties, developments that have it, that have the pipe that goes through. Some of those, I think, what might probably be guidance would be at the time of redevelopment or replacement of it, you are upgraded. But if you are purposely doing it now that results in a water quality impact or damage to the right away, then that's an issue. So if it's something that you go out and you purposely do now, if you go on, I'll give an example, we found a property that coerced into a manhood without a permanent. That's a violation. Now, we are cordial. Obviously, when you look at some of these things, it may be okay. You bought the property in this situation, the entity bought the property, they never knew it was there. We worked with them to get a contractor and work them through a permitting process to get it rectified. Okay. This is just so general in nature, I kind of wanted to just bring it bring it down to like your average property owner. Yeah, the average property owner, I would say, you know, the code has to be written with the interpretation of the idea of POD has some leniency in the interpretation of it because you know you're giving a good scenario. If you buy a property and that is a pre-existing condition and it was exposed afterwards, then should we find you when you are trying to help the situation? No, we want to work with you. We want to be good partners and help our residents. One of those scary propositions that government knocks on your door and says, I'm from the government. I'm here to help. A jauntel? I mean, that every time I talked to him. John Palincha. Yeah. All right that was it. Thank you. Vice-chair Gertis. Thank you, Madam Chair. And this is kind of a side note. Do we, like are we tracking developers and contractors that are constantly being warned for these types of things? I'll speak for myself. It seems to have happened a little bit more often where I get calls and you know we have to send somebody out multiple times for multiple issues on the same project. Are we? One, are we tracking that? And two, is there anything that we have that we can hold them more accountable? So there's a little bit of a gray line. I'm lazy. I know there's a lot of this. Quite a few. Yeah, she may want to add to this. But on the, there's a little bit of a gray line between the private property and the right-wing. And the gray line is that Liz and her section manages the private property. But in the public right-wing, if something results in its crossing, even though it might have been doing the job on the private property, if its crossing causes damage on the public right away, I don't have enforcement capability there. So I have to go to Liz, Andon, and they help me that way. Now we are asking to help with the work. Liz? Hi, Elizabeth Abernethy, Director of Planning and Development Services. And I don't have my full inspection team here with me today, but without them, generally I'll say, I don't believe we have a system for tracking any particular contractors. We do have our site inspector team fully staffed now. So we are sending for residential. I believe the protocol is at least once a month, one's where we're getting frequent complaints. We up that to once a week, where we're getting feedback with the contractor, the subs to try to keep within the standards for- Keep them in the bowling lane. Keep them in the bowling lane. Keep them in the bowling lane. Now that said, there's always the PCCLB, the Pinellas County Construction Licensing Board, if there's somebody that is repeatedly violating standards or codes, that's the method. One method for addressing that with a contractor, part of our goal generally is and don't tire. Building it official has the authority to shut a site down. But that often doesn't solve a problem because we want them to finish the construction project and get it done. And shutting it down doesn't help us to get to the resolution of getting it done. And it doesn't often, to get to the resolution of getting it done. And it doesn't often, and we've done it before, but it doesn't often get the result we're looking for, but it can get the attention of the contractor when we have to go to that to that degree. So I think I'd say we do our best to try to work with a contractor to keep them doing it the right way. There are procedures which we can undertake if they're not. I don't believe we have any specific policy or tracking mechanism to look at repeat offenders. And then when we are issuing a stop work order or we find a contractor, are we letting no, are we letting the resident or the property owner know that we're doing that or are we just telling the contractor? I'm pretty confident that there is a notification to the owner at that level of a stop work order. I'd have to verify that with Don not being in the day to day of those operations. But I don't know if generally part of this, but why we're talking just on the general subject. I would want to make sure that if we're doing that really from a fine level and above, I'd want to make sure there were let in the owner know because they're the ones that are going to tell the next guy whether you should use that person or not. You know I don't know how much control we're going to have or could have on that. I mean if it were up to me some of them I would just say stop giving that contract requirements but I think what we have to do is make sure that the owners know because they're the ones that are going to say, yeah, they did that work in my house. They're really good. Or no, don't use them because they got fined four times. And it took me three weeks longer to build whatever I was building. I mean, the ones I've experienced are 80 years right now. But I just think I just want to make sure that's in place, that's all. On the right of the side, once we come up with these final code recommendations, what we've developed on the right of the side, and we've paused it until we finish the code, because the intention is, the inspectors, the right of the inspectors, will have the ability to issue once they get out there. So I'm going to go with you now. Your next form I lost. Amen. So, you know, I show up on site because I, you know, conspired by my hand, it's just give me a call. So I go out there, my inspector goes out, I'm going to see what you do. Okay, we take your name, what company we're looking for, we're filling it out right there, we actually pin that address location where we're taking that from, because we're in the right away. And once we hit submit, it goes in directly into our GIS database. So we can map it, it creates a file number, a right away violation file number, because we have to go back now and verify the contract license so we can send an official notice of violation because we have to verify that through Sundays. I mean, you're the guy on site. If I hand you an envelope and say, here's your violation, you know, throw it up. Pick up because you might just be there working on the job for the morning to do something. Yeah, right. So now the owner gets the violation and we can see who pulled the permit as well. Okay. So we'll track it in GIS. We'll be able to know where all the violations are, but also is going to help with the workload on the code side because we rely on them to help running down the stuff in the right way. Right now, engineering doesn't have the authority to do some of these violation enforcement in the right way. Okay. So, it's the gray area in between. Thank you very much. I have a couple more questions, but I'll wait until presentations. Thank you, Mr. President. Any other questions on the code updates that we're primarily looking towards? Quick one. So now that we know that there are some of them are extensive challenges on these code updates, have we had a conversation in regards to trying to rectify them, change them, moving forward? Since we know what the challenges are. Yes. So, all these, the general information I'll be looking to change in the codes. We're working through Michael Dima because right now it involves multiple attorneys. So, we are doing all the code updates. Everything is going to go through one-pointer contact and legal. They'll disseminate it within their respective attorneys for their skill sets. And then Michael Dima is basically the QC making sure one in contrary to the other or anything of that nature. So yes, all these are what we'll be looking to make the revisions on. Oh, okay. And no estimated time frame, just looking at bringing it in probably the winter time frame. Okay, thank you. Any more questions? Yes, Council member Hanover. Thank you. So in terms of these legislative updates, my understanding to our opinions were wrong. We have a state mandate, we're waiting for the administrative rules to be in place so we can actually have the specificity, right, to be able to kind of make our changes in accordance, right, with what they're requiring. And then once we have all that, then you can pretty much draft all these ordinances, right, so we can make the changes. In terms of the cost of this, right? Because there's obviously all this nutrient loading that we're supposed to reduce. There is a cost associated to this. And we have a stormwater master plan. We have monies that are allocated for stormwater improvements. Where's the money for all the requirements that are gonna be required under these mandates now? So those requirements are primarily on the site improvements. Okay. So, you know, developers, single family homes don't fall under that criteria. So any private development that's gonna get permitted or multi-family town homes or anything of that need. So none of this is going to require something on the our end. It's what you're telling. So not from what I've seen so far. But we've been we've been always trying to exceed all minimum requirements on our water quality within our right away. So you know some of the improvements on our water quality within our right away. So, you know, some of the improvements on our side may be more landscape friendly design, bioswears, and something of that nature. As opposed to just close conduit systems all the time. Okay, that's just my question on that. It's a good question. And as part of all of the code updates now that the statutes have changed as of October 1st, there'll be a business impact statement prepared that will also provide some of that feedback on potential cost changes to these legislation. And I believe the Florida Ministry of Code is on. I believe it's in the water management and district's is on. I think it's, I believe it's in the water management of the Exxon. Any him question on the code? I don't think the code's just in general at the end of the code. Oh, okay. Okay. Are we done? Yeah, the rest of it is just court updates so I can take any questions. Oh, okay. Well, thank you so much for this presentation. If there are no other questions on the phone or if they'd outgo advice share goods. Thank you, Madam Chair. And just a couple of curiosity questions that didn't have anything to do with codes. And I don't know if you know this at the time of your hand. If you don't, you could just email it to us, which is fine. Do you know what our largest 24-hour rain event has been over the last five years? Everybody's looking at Michael. I have. I've been through a lot of stuff, but I'll take a look at it. Okay. I was just curious. If you could do last five, last 10, I think it would just be good to have a comparison. And then the second is, do we have or have we thought about? Because I heard you talk about emergency services and being able to tell more efficient routes and things like that which I think is awesome. Do we have any type of like send out a text? What are about to close these roads? Because the tide is coming in and it's raining. And you shouldn't drive there. So we don't have the, I'd going home and 10 minutes ago, I proactively could have gotten a text. Now everybody is turning around to go the other way. And now we've got a log jam. Or people just ignore it and they go through it. Now we've got flooding caused by cars, which is also not what we want. Do we have anything like that, or are we talked about anything like that? Yes, we have spoken about it internally with in public works. And it's something we were curious because one of the steps, once we go through the system cleaning, we would like to move forward with level sensors as strategic locations. But it's something we're thinking about and how best to get that information. Is it something that you sign up for, like the sanitation process, for getting updates? So just trying to maneuver through that process of how do we develop a program like that? I just think about, this is gonna sound like, I'll go back to my term, so kindergarten, literally and figuratively. And Councilor Arhanna, it's probably deals with this now. You know, I get my kid up at 6.30 in the morning, I'm getting ready to walk out the door, all of a sudden I get a text message from the kids school and they're like don't come to the front door, come to the back door because it's about to rain. And I just saved myself you know a bunch of time because they were proactive about that. You know I think if we had something like that I think it would go a long way especially with all the information that it seems like we have now and to be able to be proactive like that where we know we're about to have this rain event the tide is up people stay away from these these 17 streets yeah yeah right exactly right click on here up to help us update the map right all of those things I just think would be pretty cool and I think super helpful. And I think it's gonna help us too, because I think about like the car caused flooding and the traffic that's caused by all of this, and I think it just makes it easier for people. So just wanted to get that out there. That's all I had, I'm out of trouble. Thank you very much for the presentation. This is great. Thank you very much for the presentation. This is great. Thank you. Council Member Monteneering. Thank you. So, Claude, can we kind of go back and talk about like the big picture after and vice share girders you talked about, you talked about rain events August to 2015 kind of comes to mind, which was four months after we shut down the average-witted water treatment facility. Four months after that was when we had four days of rain, and we had massive sewer spill. So I'd be curious to see if that that rain event was on the list that you just asked about. But Claude when we first got into all this sewer stuff we didn't have a integrative water resources master plan and we didn't have a storm water plan. Can you kind of talk about the correlation? Sure absolutely and thank you for the opportunity to do that. So the integrated water resources master plan, which we have rebranded as the St. Pete water plan, but rebranding is always a challenge. It looked at water, wastewater, stormwater, and natural resources and reclaimed water. We were doing it in part because we needed to do it, but we also, it was required by our consent order to complete it by a certain time frame. In order to meet that consent order time frame, we were able to complete the wastewater, the reclaimed water and the natural resources portions of it. But we weren't 100% complete with this stormwater master plan. And so when to meet our deadline for completing the one water, the St. Pete water plan, we went ahead and put in information that we knew, but we said we're going to be expanding this out in a larger plan. So now this stormwater master plan completes that fifth and last portion of the St. Pete water plan and provides the input necessary for that total plan. So they're correlated. Good. Well, when we started going through all this stuff and we found how big of an eye problem we had. It was related to our stormwater system. Because the stormwater system isn't working correctly. It exacerbates the leaks into the pipes. It goes into our water treatment facilities and we had a capacity problem initially. And I remember we also had found that in some parts of the city, some people were popping manhole covers to drain their streets, which would add more capacity to our sewer system. So I just wanted to tie our sewer issues to our stormwater system because there is a relationship there. On this plan, Brege, can you kind of talk about the stormwater master plan? Does it focus on mainly rainfall events or storm surge events? So either or both. This does not look at storm surge. Okay. So this is strictly rain and taking into consideration sea level rise. Okay. So it's not a surge model. The vulnerability will take a look at that. Okay. And that's what I recall. On that slide that you had on slide 14, that showed the flooding after a major storm. You look at that slide, that looks exactly like the coastal high hazard area. I mean, that's where all that blue is. So this was, I mean, it matches exactly. So this was a search-induced flooding event that we had. And during the rain event, based on the tide, data we were recording on the buoy at, in our same location, we took the radar data that we had from the storm automata plan and simulated and cut off that particular elevation. So when you exactly witch neighborhoods, we needed to get to. So your point is, I couldn't be more valid. Okay. The point is I couldn't be more valid. Okay. My next question is on slide 15. I didn't highlight what part of it. Oh, the stormwater nutrient permating requirements. I wonder just to touch on our reclaimed water system, is this, is our reclaimed water system gonna have a problem with some of these state law regulations? So this is, state law. So this is, we, well, first of all, we don't have the details on how much care footage of property for the runoff. We don't have those details yet. But this is based on the calculation of how much runoff based on the surface area that's... and Roger I'm struggling how to simplify this. I appreciate it. I'll just ask you to. Perhaps I can speak to it. So the simple answer is no. Okay. These rules are promulgated specifically for stormwater runoff, generated from rainfall, and then rainfall would pick up nutrients and runoff site. And so these are to help as we develop new areas, perhaps we put in a new shopping center, a new multifamily home area. As we develop that, we've got to make sure that any runoff that comes from the new development meets these criteria. Our reclaimed water does have phosphorus and nitrogen in it, but this would not affect it. However, there are other regulations that we are anticipating to come from the state specific to reclaimed water, that will require us to remove additional nutrients from our reclaimed water. But this itself will not impact our reclaimed water. Okay. Alright, thank you. Thank you. My last question is on slide 17. And you talked about the, if I recall correctly, that the state is mandating that we plan for a 25 year, 24 hour event. And you talked about this standard that we are. So looking at? Yeah, right now we're at the 10 year one hour event. Right. We like to be at the 10 year 24th event. So we have a consistent modeling criteria. We'll have a 10 year 24, the 24, the 25 year 24 hour from the state, and the state is also going to be enforcing the 100-year 24-hour floodplain. So let's run the scenario that a developer meets the nutrients because they do not trigger the square footage requirements to have three the new phosphorus and nitrogen requirements. Because of that trigger, they may not meet our 10 year 24. So we don't want to give them automatic. Okay, you've met the 25 year 24 from the state, modeling, but because you didn't have to meet the treatment quantity and quality, that does not automatically give your permit for us. Meaning you still have to show us that you can meet another criteria. So it's almost like given us an additional buffer of what's a quantity. Okay. All right. Good. Well, thank you all. Thank you for the information. Thank you. Councilmember Hennepin. Thank you, Chair. And kind of touching on what Councilmember Montenegri has started putting together and for those that are watching. Because this is complex. It's complex. So in terms of plans, we have the Integrated Water Master Plan, which is now the same P-water Plan, which did not include storm water. Now we have the storm water master plan, which goes together with the same Pete water plan. But that does not include the sea walls, which we're going to have a study called the Sea Wall for Nebility Study. And when we talk about backflow preventors, that has to do with storm surge, which has nothing to do with storm, water, and rainfall events. Am I like following this? You are on the way. I mean, just like... Right, it's all together in this big puzzle and like when we get the calls, because we have neighborhoods that have the rainfall events, right? But some of us actually have issues with the surge that comes in and how to address those issues and they're just separate sometimes. It's very confusing for residents to kind of understand that. And so I appreciate y'all trying to put this together in a simple way and how, and then at the same time, you have to respond to the regulatory changes that are occurring to integrate them with the plans and make the co-changes. So I just wanna make sure that people understand this stone water master plan has nothing to do with surge mitigation. That we are right now waiting for, well, actually it's in the process when we're doing a sea-Wall vulnerability assessment, which, by the way, is complicated by the fact that the majority of our C-Walls are owned by private property owners. At some point, there will be a future cow that we're all gonna have to deal with that. That's right. I'm still like, you're on point. Okay. Actually, I have, I put together a while ago, a little graphic myself, and I'll be glad to sit down with you. I get your thoughts and probably work with Mark and if needed. I love graphics and pictures. Kindergarten level is perfect for me. Yeah, I was really sick. I would love that. And that might be helpful for the repetitive flooding or for a item we have coming up, which is kind of the next stepping stone from this. I think it is important. I think it is important to kind of put those things every time we talk about them because for the average person out there, and I have these conversations so many times, and it's hard to put those pieces together and people understand what we're talking about even for council members. Yeah, even for council members to follow because there are a lot of plans and so how those things fit together so people understand surge and rainfall all these things are separate things and why one is different from the other would be helpful. So that's just one thing I would suggest because we kind of go through this every time. separate things and why one is different from the other would be helpful. So that's just one thing I would suggest because we kind of go through this every time. I would just curious and maybe you've said this before even in this presentation and I missed it but why for roadway level service and building level service why are the rate rate events 10 year 24 are reigned for road service and buildings 100 year 24. What why that so difference in level of service. It's an interesting perspective because when you look, if we meet the hunt, okay, so the 10 year 24 is what we would get regular. So we want to make sure we can provide a rate, you know, maintain that level of service. But the 24 year, the 100 year 24 is floodplain. So the stormwater floodplain connected to the CRS that's why we're gauging that as a level of service. So, okay, that makes sense. Okay. And then the other thing I just want to point out, I know these projects are developed and you said it's consistent with the planning horizon of vision 2050. However, the funding is not going to be there for all these projects for 2050. I mean, as it stands right now for stormwater, I think we're between $16 and $17 million a year, right? Stormwater and our CIP. 17 for 2024 and we're requesting 25 for 22. Right. And what we would actually need to meet these projects would be around where a year. Well, but it's a lot. It's a lot. I can't remember my look, I'm still fried from last week. My point is that it is a lot higher. And because I am one that people in the public and us that we need to understand, we're not even talking about sea walls. We don't even, we, surge is not even included in these costs to be clear. We don't even have any of that. So I, you know, because these are tough conversations we're having, you know, when you were talking about backslope preventors and all these things going in, but storm water isn't fully funded, and we still don't have a plan for sea walls, and there is gonna be a cost associated with storm search at some point too. Yeah, but what I wanna touch on as well, because that's a good point. So the last master plan The city did about one-third of the projects right now perspective wise just because There's X amount of projects in the stormwater master plan If even if we complete it that full X amount does not mean we will not have another List of projects. So that's... Nevermind. Yes. I get it. And you can have a big storm of it. And it changes everything again too. So I mean, there are lots of things, lots of factors. I just, because when I'm having these conversations with, and what, and I just had it, with historical Northeast. And we have to go through, you know, the issues in terms, because it's the flooding from storm surge. And then you're, you know, they're talking about storm water and the storm water master plan. And we had to walk through. And so I am of the type. I want to make sure they understand where we are, what we're doing, and what we can do. And, you know, what are the things that, that right now we're working on? And so that's kind of my intent is to make that clear. But there is still a lot of work to be done, a lot of challenges. And of course, it's always shaking, as we know. But thank you all for the information, and seriously, Pradesh. I mean, I don't know how you keep all this from, and same with Klaud and everybody in the team. I don't know how y'all keep this information in your brains. It's a lot of information. So I appreciate you taking the time to try to walk us through all this baby steps. Thank you. So Councilmember, my brain finally worked. So if we're going to spend a billion dollars on stormwater over a 20-year period, we should be spending 50 million a year. Yeah, I knew it was something like that. I just don't want, yeah, it's something like that. But I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Florent. Thanks. I really appreciate this just so you know the updates of the flood plain. It shows that one part of my property is in it and one part's not, and it appears to be very accurate for my own anecdotal experience. So that's really great. I enjoyed seeing the like potential benefits from the dark blue and light blue of the maps that you showed earlier. So I feel like I have a good grasp on that. It's actually the code stuff that I'm more intrigued by and have more questions about. I assume we'll get into it a lot more as time goes on. But I did want to ask one quick question about it, which was just sort of the logic behind the 10-year, one hour event, 10-year, 24-hour event switch. So just have a consistent model. Yeah. And a consistent model criteria between the state is going to require 24, will have a 24, and as well as compare to the CRS requirement of the 100-year, 24. What was that required? The CRS requirement for the 100-year. Okay. 24. What was that required? The CRS requirement for the 100-year 24-year event. Okay. That's our community rating system that I wanted to talk about where we get credits for mitigation that go towards reduction on flood insurance. So this is the right time to bring this up, but in order to get the credits we need to improve our score of five, we need to adopt a stormwater master plan. So the one thing I'd ask of this committee today is to, would be helpful to make a motion to ask staff to bring this back to full council with the resolution to adopt it so that we can get those credits. Our audit is next month and providing even that to our reviewer is going to help to our showing them that we're moving towards this and hopefully bring back a lower rating to present to you. Come back. Okay. And you said when you. Okay, and you said, when you were describing, that sounds good, to bounce back to the code stuff. That was 100 year, 24 hour events. Correct. How does that play into that, you have 10 year here, like how does that play in that? So we've designed, we're designing the stormwater improvements based on the 10 year 24-hour event. But the 100 year 24-hour event is what is, and this goes back to how it's tricky between the different agencies. So the water management district is monitoring, they enforce the 100 year floodplain event. The 100 year 24 floodplain. So which means that even if you could get a permit on a 10 year 24 event, now this is how we could go the other way. That's how you could get a permit on even a 25 year 24 event. But your site results and how you construct your site results in and going back to when Claude we had these one-on-one meetings is he used a good example of you know you put in you put in basically a cup inside a plate and wear out water displaces so that's why the hundred year 24 floodplain was modeled okay so it's really the floodplain that was needed to show that if you develop in a specific basin or within a floodplain, you do not push that water somewhere else. The flood and not the property or residence or anything of that nature. Okay. Okay. That's for the enforcement side. That's right. Okay. I understand that now. So, okay, all right then. See where that takes me, those are things. Okay, I'll move on from that then. And then... You know what? I think I'm going to leave it there. I want to get into depth about the code updates, but I also want to save them for later. And we'd love to sit down and talk about it before. We just hashed it out and reading. I'm open to, I need to do one-on-ones once you'll have the opportunity to read through these individual, the table itself, and see what your thoughts are. I can sit down with you. That will help us craft how to develop our red lines. I don't want to bring red lines to you all that you all are not and this does not make sense to me. Yeah, that's what I figured and so I'll leave that there but to go back to just the plan and the implementation strategy I'm quite pleased so I want to end on that note and I guess I'll leave it there. Okay, so I will I'm going to just ask Brigette one thing about the rating criteria but I also heard your request for a motion to approve the strong-worder master plan coming from the cow today to go to council. So we'll entertain that. But, British-Ech, I was looking at the ranking criteria and needlessly to say I went directly to my district and I was looking at all the green dots, we're in group seven and we're surrounded by so much water. Now, grant you, I don't get the flooding complaints like other districts. I have to be honest about that. What would it take for some of those projects to be moved up in the ranking system for the surrounding homeowners that are dealing with those seawall issues that council member Hannibal's is dealing with that she spoke about. So once you start, again, this is looking at this strictly on a storm water side. This really goes towards the bigger picture of capital planning. Now we have, OK, here's a project that is run storm water-wise, this level. But then here's the impacts that we are getting from other directions. So how does that all fall into the bigger vision of the project? So I think that's key. So well right now we have individual ranking for stormwater projects, will the sea world vulnerability, then we'll have ranking criteria for those, and then how you start a team project up so that you mitigate the community risk as a whole. Okay, all right I think I can understand that but I'm going to ask you for a start a team project up so that you mitigate the community risk as a whole. Okay. Alright, I think I can understand that, but I'm going to ask you for a little bit more when we do our 101. So we're at this point, I know that we have a motion and I know Vice Chair Gertis, did you have anything on this regard? Do you want to go at the end? No, I was just going to ask Chair if there was a specific date that you wanted to bring back to council because I was going to make the motion to send the resolution to council. I haven't targeted a specific date. So would you say that you had to have it done next? I need to have it done though by when? Yeah, by next month I thought you said. So we could potentially bring it on the 15th if there isn't a need for any additional one-on-ones. I just wanted to make sure that if the 15th was okay and if that was, because I think that's where it ends up on the schedule based on timing, but if we needed to bring it soon or I would have asked that in the motion. That should be fine. Our audits to 20 seconds, so that will give us plenty of time to add it to it. Okay. Move approval of the resolution. Proposed resolution. No, no one has any other questions before I call for the vote. All in favor. Hi, those opposed. Okay, we have approved the resolution. And I think we've ended this presentation. And thank you so much. And I'm so've ended this presentation. And thank you so much. And I'm so glad to know I wasn't the only one with brain fog today. I am so glad I was not, I think last week kind of wore us out a little bit. Vice Chair. Yes. If I may, I have an answer for Vice Chair Gertis. So you asked about the one day totals over the last 10 years. So over the last 10 years since 2014, we've had two days where we had approximately five inches in that 24-hour period. One of those days was during Hurricane Hermine in 2016, and the other day was during Tropical Storm Aida in 2020. Outside of those two days over the past 10 years, it looks like our annual high days are somewhere around three and a half inches in a 24 hour period over the last 10 years. Thank you very much, Claude. I was curious to whether it would be 15 to but then I thought about that rain was spread over I think like six or seven days. Four five. Yeah. Because I flooded my car. Oh no. So I remember those days very clearly. And actually, if my wife is listening, she's going to go, it wasn't your car. It was fine. So let me just make the record clear. Okay. And if there was nothing else, Madam Chair. I just wanted to thank Cloud for the information you have enriched all of our lives. Madam Chair, we do have one announcement. It is Richie Floyd's birthday. I knew we were all running for our bedrooms last week and it was on his birthday today even though it was a cow. So let's sing Richie Happy Birthday. Are you entering the thirties? No. Are you entering the thirties? It's 33. He's not entering the back half of his thirties. So I have two of you in all of the thirties. Oh, that's great. All right, let's sing Richie Happy Birthday. Happy Birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. much, Madam Chair. Thank you so much. Well, thank you all. Yes, today is the first day back. But we, I think, have been able to just delay our letter here, go just a little bit, because we did come off quite of a stressful interval up until last week. So again, I'm glad that we've had the opportunity to at least get a laugh from each other and enjoy seeing each other once again. And we are going to call the committee you I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing. I'm going to do a on the top right corner. I'm going to put it on the top right corner. I'm going to put it on the top right corner. I'm going to put it on the top right corner. Yes. Thanks for watching! you you you