Good morning, everyone. We'll now call to the budget workshop of the City of South Miami commission. The time is approximately 10 in the morning. And today is Thursday, July 18th if I'm not mistaken. Mr. Manager, I think we have online the chair of our budget finance committee, Mr. Almason. If it's okay, we'll start with hearing their recommendations. We'll recognize Mr. Miller and then we'll hear from staff on an overview for the proposed FY25 budget. And then we'll open it up to the floor for any questions. Mr. Almason, good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Can you hear me? OK. We can. Excuse me. The clerk is telling me we do have to call roll to confirm that we've got more. I just want to make sure you have been having audio problems. Am I? Can you hear me? OK. We hear you perfectly, sir. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mayor Fernandez. Present. Vice Mayor Bozen by the board. Here, Commissioner Calle. Here. Commissioner Lee. Present. Commissioner Cory. Present. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. Almond, good morning. You're recognized. Thank you very much. Mayor commissioners, thank you. And pleasure to serve as this year's budget and finance committee chair. So I know a bunch of you personally, I'm sorry I was not able to be there personally. I'm in our Tampa office today. So forgive me that I'm not there in person, but I appreciate the ability to speak to you all today. So being my first time presenting on the budget workshop, please feel free to interrupt me at any time. As I tell people, I have young children and had children. So I'm used to being interrupted ignored. Told what to do. So please do so as I try to go through this. I do want to start by saying something before and it's something that cannot be left unsaid. During my 10 years here as the budget and finance committee worked there for the last year. And he has not paid me an advance, that would be illegal. But I do want to start with Alfredo Riverall and his team, which you all have with Alfredo and his team, and what they did and do for the city, and what they did during the committee meetings in preparation and advance of those meetings, and materials in advance of those meetings and materials and advance of those meetings and agendas for those meetings and organizations at those meetings and communications and their ability to answer questions on the spot. And myself and the other committee members, I want to start by giving a big thank you to Alfredo and acknowledging both him and his team and what they do behind the scenes that so many of you are probably aware of. So I want to start with that recognition. Please, I'm afraid you can buy me lunch when we get back. So anyway, so moving on from that, you all should have before you dated July 16th, what is essentially a six seven page letter I thought in the essence and the spirit of going forward and in the interest of all of your time I thought the best thing was to skip through what everybody knows as the background and the goals and objectives of the committee and what we're supposed to do and further it's of helping you all this commissioners and employees within the city to do your job was to just simply skip the page three which were some preliminary recommendations and go through that. to do your job was to just simply skip the page three, which were some preliminary recommendations, and go through that. So number one, as a committee, and I also want to thank the committee members that were so integral to the part of this. One of us has to be a voice like the foreman on a jury, but the job was equal in parts as to everything that went into it. So I'm merely the voice for what was an outstanding committee and their involvement in their commitment to this process that helping all of you do your job. The first thing was the maintaining of the millage trim notices to be able to go out last month. I want to commend the city and what you have done previously, which was if you go to page six, you'll notice that we there's a breakdown there going back to 2016 as to what the adopted milligrates were. And noticeably going back from 2016, when it was 4.3 to its current recommendation, which is to maintain it the same at 3.95, I think that's commendable and that's something that continues to have you recommended here on the part of the committee moving forward. And that's something that continues to have be recommended here on the part of the committee moving forward and that maintenance at that amount will continue to provide the residents with the greater benefit with the past fiscal responsibility that the balance sheets and the financials that we were privy to showed which showed with a surplus for the city. So in that respect that recommendation maintains to set the milled rate and advertise that rate on those trim notices that are set to go out next month. The second recommendation for Marin was with respect to a $5,000 threshold per commission approval, my understanding, okay, and I'm very clear in this world say my understanding which means that it could be dead wrong as to the fact that I think the commission is already aware of this from previous and may already be addressing it, but we did have numerous conversations with respect to from $5,000 to an amount set by the City Commission from time to time and and to have that potentially amended considering that the $5,000 expenditure to go back to the commission at every time when it exceed that low number was going to need a review. So that was something from our standpoint that we thought would be helpful for the administration of the affairs of the city and the committee found that the current $5,000 was simply too low and not in line with what current market base and given current inflation rates. So it makes management a little bit less efficient. So again, my understanding is that already something that you all are addressing. So if I'm right, thank you. And if not, please do so would be the recommendation of the committee. Also with respect to the personnel and wage recommendations, the committee, again, given Alfredo and his team and we were made privy to a lot of what was assessments on wages. And the proposed budget includes a COLA cost of living adjustment for all full-time employees of 6% and as was also something inclusive that was I believe a max under the collected bargaining unit so recommendation from the city was was that and in essence as the report that we have here indicate actually the cap is at that rate, but the CPI for the upcoming year is higher. So the recommendation was that the proposed budget include the same COLA adjustment to its max at 6%. There was an evergreen wage study that was proposed. I really wanted to enter this. I don't have any negatives to share. And I would have done so publicly. I think privately doesn't mean anybody any good. But again, I want to commend the city on completing the Evergreen Compensation Study Report. The gentleman, I rob Williamson. I actually forgot his name of the report. It tells me that was his name was great in presenting us with a presentation on their findings. So our committee recommended that the city manager and the commission adopt those proposed salary ranges and to review that report carefully and implement those recommended changes selectively for those positions that are identified. And that was recommended as opposed to across the board increases. But again, commending the city on that and not shooting in the dark to have them addressed properly through that study and that commending city on that. And we'd like to follow those recommendations. The South Miami Park, which has been a part of integral discussions for many years years has a significant allocation for underway expenditures already. We, I love when things aren't just recommended, but they're strongly recommended. Like when somebody sends you an email and caps, we strongly recommended that the $170,000 expenditure to provide a well-functioning temporary bathroom facility at the park for a one-year period remained within the park's budget. And we understand that there is a permanent restroom and concession building that is being contemplated. So in that respect, that was something that we deemed was prudent, especially for the children, we provided with the best possible portable bathroom facility. My understanding, again, especially for the children, we provided with the best possible portable bathroom facility. My understanding, again, I gave the prior definition of the word understanding, the is that it's already being contemplated on a permanent basis to have a movable expenditure for temporary bathroom facility that maybe you elsewhere when complete. That is something as the South Antiparge visitors have been eagerly awaiting proper rest room facilities. That recommendation from us was made as well. We recommended that the city remain consistent with its debt management policy. I started this presentation with an indication that we were very proud of what we saw over a multi-year process to be a fiscal responsible debt management policy within the city. And we thought that it was appropriate to make that indication, especially when issuing debt that the city must remain consistent with its debt management policy and its max maturity section and it specifically was quoted in there is all debt obligations so we fully amortized by and have a maturity of the earlier of the estimated useful life of that capital improvement being financed or and then we left the rest blank but you get the essence of it so we wanted to commend the city on what was prior fiscal responsibility as the city continued to show a a significant surplus that was properly managed in the past and that remained consistent with that management policy. And then lastly was to continue what was the fiscal transparency and and a slight change that we wanted to provide to you on this last recommendation on that continued fiscal transparency, which was this. Similar to when people get elected to our congressional or state representatives, they go through a period of time that is inevitable. I'm trying to learn the process that you've just been thrown into. The only difference between them and us is they quickly have to shift from learning to doing. And then suddenly we don't have to do, which is then to start working on re-campaigning for the next election. So there's a small period of time where they actually get to do work. In our situation where there's a turnover on an annual basis of the committee, it's prudent to allow for there to be as little homework as possible for the new committee for next year to be able to get up to speed. And it's few meetings as possible for the new committee for next year to be able to get up to speed it as few meetings as possible, especially because those meetings occur primarily between what essentially is May, June, and in the last couple of weeks, which do you have the kids, summer vacations, et cetera. So with that in mind, one of the things that we would like to see reports in the future be cognizant of, for example, there are the reappropriation of funds. That is a not sexy part of your job, but one that is necessary, which is the allocation in budgets of certain dollar amounts, say for the next year that are for particular projects, that for a variety of reasons that are outside of the city's control, don't happen. And that might be delays in the county, for example, on certain things, etc. And then those dollars that are already allocated to be spent get moved somewhere else. We spent a substantial amount of time in multiple meetings that because there was an fiscal transparency on the allocation of those dollars elsewhere that were easy to follow. And I want to stress, it wasn't an ounce of scintilla of a second of our time spent in any way thinking that there was anything other than just a lack of reporting around it. Everything was on the up and up. Everything was appropriately explained to us but from a future cognizant standpoint moving forward for future committees we would like for that to maybe be addressed a little different. So if you take $100,000 that are aimed for say, Donnie Fissell Park and they end up somewhere else or they end up in a traffic circle that they're easy to see because there's only four or five real meetings that the budget and finance committee has in order to prepare for the letter that's provided to you, the recommendations that are provided to you, to really, at the end of the day, assist Alfredo and his team, not so much the other way around, in order to be able to do their job. So we would ask that that be something that the Commission addressed is moving forward to make this committee more efficient in the future with the minimum amount of hours over essentially about six meetings in two months that we're able to have. So other than that, you have the report, you have our general recommendation and I will stand out at this point for further process from that. And I wanna thank you all that supported me personally in placing me in the House Committee and I hope all through it behind my back says I was important and valuable. Thank you for your presentation, Mr.moson and we appreciate your service and that of the entire committee. Colleagues any questions? Alfredo loves you you just can't see him saying he loves you. I told him to demand fresh. Questions colleagues because you's really me you recognized? And simply to reciprocate, we really want to thank you, Alex, Mr. Almoson, for your service to the city and as a former resident who encouraged me to run for office and to someone I've known for 32 years of the same floor freshman year. So yeah, and this is my last opportunity to do so from the day of, so I appreciate you and the city of South Miami appreciate you and along with the entire budget and finance team so thank you so much. And you still are, I did say former resident but you still are a commercial property and you chose to retain an address. I'm not out of the pool, I'm not out of the pool. So I'm not out of the pool. I'm not out of the pool. You're still a taxpayer in a stakeholder, so thank you. Thank you. For the questions. I do have one. I just want to clarify. On the debt management policy, I know there's a reference to the recommendation on page five, regarding the referendum that we're proposing, which would change the way we authorize or that could be authorized. Are you guys simply saying you want us to keep the same policy with respect to amortizing assets, concur with their useful life, or is there some concern about the actual change in the vote threshold that was expressed by the committee? Yeah, so thanks for that and I'll also look for anybody else. I think I don't know if Alfredo wants to chime in on that as well. There are comments I missed the last meeting due to a vacation. So I'm not sure why the OR portion of it was left out. But, but I echo your question. The answer from us would be yes. The one of the things that stood out to the committee. And by the way, we had, I don't know, it was about, may have been 100%, but I think we had almost the exact same committee that we had in the previous year. My understanding is that's rare. So that allowed us to seamlessly to some extent move into this year, which is my understanding, not custom. Customary. So yes, that would be our indication. There had been very low debt levels from what we saw, low debt servicing, good size surplus. The committee seemed to be very pleased as a whole with what that entailed. We understand that there may be some incoming debt obligations that may have to be incurred as a result of certain projects that may have to be undertaken and have to do with infrastructure. So unless Alfredo wants to elaborate on behalf of our team, if I missed something. Yes, our concern was that we see that there may be projects upcoming that are no fault of the city's management or mismanagement, simply the aging out of certain things, especially in the bridge portion of what we need to do. And our recommendation was to maintain some of that fiscal responsibility under the debt management policy as it exists. Okay, yeah, I don't think we've, I think, speaking of myself, I think it's an appolicy that we should absolutely keep. So, but thank you for the clarification. I appreciate that. Thank you. For the questions, seeing none policy that we should absolutely keep. So, but thank you for the clarification. I appreciate that. Thank you. For the questions? Seeing none, Mr. Miller, did you want to say at something on behalf of the committee? You're recognized, sir. Thank you, Mr. Alamoson again. We appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. And first let me say, Alex did a great job of summarizing what the committee talked about. And it was more cohesive this time because there were so many repeat offenders on the list. But the dialogue was really good and I think it stayed very substantive and if you can believe it, all of us were supporting of the support of the South American park, super bathrooms despite misgiving about the other parts of the park, but if we're going to do it, let's do it right. On the debt policy, let me, real, real simple here is, we want to make very sure that any maturity of any contemplative financing that debt fully amortized within before that maturity. There weren't any balloon obligations set out there. What troubles us, and I think I can say that it's fairly across the committee, was just the sheer scope of the potential borrowing ability in South Miami. Notwithstanding that I think I've seen something in the press round, $65 million potential bonding opportunity or something there. It's just something that you have to be very careful as you do it and very thoughtful. And so the simple rule, as I think I said to this group before, is make sure that you match the life of the loan to the life of the asset. Never get where the life of the loan extends beyond the life of the asset. That's where you get in trouble. Lines of credit. So facilities that provide for the ability to issue bonds can become dangerous if you're allowed too much freedom to issue with underneath that facility without going back to either your commission go back to your finance people go back to the citizens and say this is what we're using it for so there may be some cost reasons for doing it but really you want to be very careful about how much you use this debt and this is said by a banker and so my job was to lend money so So I'm not anti debt. And by any stretch of the imagination, I just want to see us use debt the proper way. The continued fiscal transparency, one thing I would add to that is we actually thought about, maybe we would have that update on a quarterly basis delivered to the budget and finance committee. But yeah, we, and Alex talked about our year and service, but it's really a compressed, as you guys know, four or five months, right? And so none of us really wanted to be on the committee for a whole year to see the update, so we made sure they go to you guys. But it's sometimes hard to track where money from a project was reallocated somewhere else. And so we're just trying to make that easier for everyone to do so we can say this is how much money we've allocated in entirety for Dantifacelle, how much for South Miami Park, where there was some interplay in there because the reallocations Alex did a nice job of talking about why that might occur and so that's it otherwise we're impressed by what Alfredo and his team do and the physical discipline so great thank you any questions Mr. Miller? I actually have a question about the bathroom his team do and the fiscal discipline. Great. Thank you. Any questions Mr. Miller? I actually have a question about the bathroom. When Mr. Almanzo was explaining, it was 170,000 at least, or that would be to purchase the bathrooms. So, I think what's in the budget is proposed at least, but I was talking to the manager this morning during my budget briefing that it's got the first thing this morning. There may be an opportunity for us to acquire facilities, which as we were discussing could also be used when we rebuild Dante Fissell's facilities as well. So I think that's Mr. Manage, why don't you elaborate on that point? That's what is, I think the budget is in a calculation for a rental and the maintenance of during the life of that bathroom being out there. What we're exploring is that compared to a purchase, which and the maintenance of during the life of that bathroom being out there. What we're exploring is that compared to a purchase, which we may have an asset there that either we can resell and or repurpose as a mayor mentioned potentially another construction. So we're going to explore and compare the value of both purchase versus when you're rental yeah, yeah, I just wanted to understand the numbers just the clarification Whether I was the lease or purchase and like a rich lease because a couple things just came up that weren't covered in my budget meetings once the 6% increase across the board and that was that was the other item Right as well as the bathrooms so that's why when we get to the budget want to go over it line by line. Yeah, so okay. Thank you Give us a manager or your presentation. Go ahead, sir. Good morning and certainly thank you to Mr. Amazon and Mr. Miller and the rest of the members of the Budget and Finance Committee for their collaboration and time spent And have another set eyes and recommendations on our process. So I appreciate that and Obviously we get to this point in the budget process Where it informs you tonight when you set your millage But it's the work of many months and I want to thank our staff and department directors and our finance department for all the work and certainly the input of the commission does far and continued input between now and September budget hearings. So we're going to give you a quick sort of overview of budget highlights. Some of it is spelled out in the memo that supports the that that came with the trim millage item for tonight and some of the information is also supported by a memo that attached to the actual budget that we shared with you. So some of this is a repeat of that and maybe shed some light. And then so this presentation will be split between myself and Alfredo. You know as last year we tried to have some pillars that drove you know how we would invest and recommend to invest our money and our focus continues to be having a competitive compensation structure as mr. Al-Muzana alluded to with with the compensation study as as The the focus of that analysis maintaining a critical infrastructure and investment in that and replacement of some infrastructure that are showing some issues those are large investments investment in that and replacement of some infrastructure that are showing some issues. Those are large investments. Our park facilities and obviously having that value added difference maker in our community while maintaining best practice reserves and holding a millage at the same recommended millage that we currently have now. So these are driven by these budget pillars of organizational excellence and public safety and financial stability which was discussed by our chair, Mr. Miller, and certainly focused on servicing and programming that enhances the quality of life. Our infrastructure that we talked about, we have some big items before us that are going to require replacement from bridging culverts. And you know, those are big money, not sexy, but much needed and it's a basic one or one of what government is supposed to do and obviously our recreation facilities. From that we one of the things that we tried to address last year we increased some of our fts and some positions in key in key in key departments of the city and in this case we only have one position that was added But this is part of a multi-year effort where we look back Over years and the city had eliminated about 20 positions over 10 years So we brought those back in some key skill sets that are needed in this case There's only one position that was added administrators that are service coordinator That would support the administrative services department and certainly would as part of their role can provide support to the commission and your effort to be part time elected officials but the in all with full time issues. Additionally, as mentioned, we are implementing year one of the two year approach for the Evergreen Compensation Study. The city had not embarked on that and we wanted to have an analysis and then real-time information both to be competitive in the marketplace and the city had eliminated its pay plan back in 2014 so has operated without once we were trying to bring in the semblance of and transparency for our employees to understand what their ranges would be from a minimum midpoint and max standpoint. The goal is to have a pay range range classification that spans a 25 year and we'd be reviewed periodically to stay competitive in the marketplace. So this budget implements year one of these increases to bring some people to minimum and others that may be short of what study reflects. So, it's a total investment of 230,000 dollars for this year. Year two is roughly about 150,000. So, we're beginning to implement and I think these are the sort of planning efforts that really informs us and gives us good information for the long term. And these things should be updated probably between maybe three to five years, you updated. And right now we're in a very volatile period where a lot of changes are happening because of inflation. But I think we're in a good place right now to be competitive based on the recommendations. We continue to wanna expand on the goals approach that we took and really have a more robust strategic plan. So that's something that's contemplated here. Something I want to be mindful of is we're in the middle labor negotiations with our FOP, the procter and order police and our police benevolence association and any costs that come from that will still have to be included in this budget and those will hopefully be seen by the September budget hearings if we are able to have successful negotiations. You know, very keen on maintaining our fiscal stability both from a stable milled rate, which this budget is recommending that we stay flat at the 3.95. It's also maintaining our targeted reserves, which are at industry standard from a benchmark standpoint and GFOA, which is a finance, offshore association. So we're still maintaining reserves at best practices while some heavy investments in infrastructure and capital. We also look for opportunities as we did last year for reductions in expenses and through different line items. Last year, I think it was the tune of about 245,000 this year. We about 320,000 dollars in reductions through miscellaneous areas and again just trying to be more efficient and find ways to offset other increases that this budget was absorbing. From a public safety standpoint again one of our goals is to be competitive, to be able to retain and recruit with our peers and our other police agencies. So that investment has stated through cost of living and the implementation of the evergreen. We're trying to maintain a fleet that is on the ready and in good shape. And so that's important. Every year we have a replacement cycle of a certain amount of vehicles. So we're doing that in this case. The chief is reinstituting a traffic unit, police motorcycle, city had that at one time. So this budget has that with two units that are being brought on board through the capital purchase. And certainly a big investment in upgrading, you know, what is the lifeline of a police officer besides this, you know, weapon is a police radio and upgrading that system which is not cheap. So it has a big investment of $735,000. So this is in within the CIP fiscal year. From a park standpoint, additional investments in our active adult programming. Obviously, that's a key component of quality of life and a cohort that we want to continue to provide opportunities for. And investments in our recreational facilities and spaces that continue to improve some investments that were deferred that need to be maintained. And embarking upon a 10-year master plan which is important, the city previously had one and we want to have a roadmap for the next 10 years which will inform what we do do programmatically and look at the city Not from what's happening now, but what's coming online with a lot of the changes in development and residential units So we need to build a city that can accommodate and serve that population and changing demographic One effort here was to leverage ARPA funds as we've talked about and fully encumber those by the end of this year and fully spend those by December of 2026, which are the requirements. So we had an opportunity to accelerate that and moved from a general funded project to ARPA, which is the LED lights at Palm Report. And it's certainly fully funding the Dantifacell building and pick up all course. Again, just speaking to how robust our capital improvement program is and still being supported by health and reserves and maintaining our military. From an infrastructure standpoint, I made the comment, it's not something new, but we are updating these numbers as our design evolves for each of these. So we're dealing with the bridge repair and therefore that's why that one lane is closed on that bridge as per F dot direction. for each of these. So we're dealing with the bridge repair, and therefore that's why that one lane is closed on that bridge as per FDOT direction. So we're in design and estimating that to be the cost. We've talked about septic sewer, and we're going to initiate our first phase, and we're expanding from a linear foot standpoint. That project based on additional funding we receive when we've had federal allocation. Currently, as an update, our congresswoman is submitting another million dollars in her ask from an earmark standpoint for future federal budget. I have some time to go, but I just want to share that at this time. So that's not in this budget. Colverts, we have two culverts that need to be replaced and repaired. And so we're allocating fully funding. I know we're looking at alternatives to this potentially. And we've had that conversation from a financing standpoint, but right now we have to account for that. From a city wide street improvement standpoint, we presented the findings of our sidewalk and road resurfacing and restructuring through the Kimlin Horn project. It gives us really good data over the long term. So we're beginning to implement some of those recommendations. And this budget has a higher spend to stay above what that recommendation stated. We were falling short from a maintenance standpoint. So it has a pretty robust $1.1 million investment into resurfacing and reconstruction. And from a sidewalk standpoint, we're fully funding the entire amount that they recommended was needed to take care of all the problem areas to the $250,000 I just felt, A, from a risk management standpoint, and B, given the size of the cost basically with something we can absorb and take care of all our issues for sidewalks. So that's citywide. We talked about septic to sewer from a sunset drive standpoint, this budget placed in additional $600,000. We'll call it from our reserve standpoint, from a 1.1 that we currently have. Through the CIP workshop feedback, this 600K was put into that. We know that it's going to be a couple years before that construction may begin, so we're building up our research for this project. So that's a little bit of our priorities in our overview and what is our cost drivers. We're going to give you a little bit more data as it relates to our budget and drive in a little bit further and our CEO FOA will share that and then we'll be available for Q&A that you may have as we drill down on some of the topics of the budget. So Alfredo, you got a lot of praise today. Don't let it get to your head. Good morning. Good morning. I'm happy to be standing before you here to provide you some highlights of the budget. I'm going to go over some facts, things that are already in the memo just to any questions by all means just feel free to interrupt. Important dates we've had the CIP which everybody took part in. Today is a huge day not only for the workshop but tonight you'll be setting the millage that will be advertised on the trim in August so that's an important for tonight an event and then the two most important days is the first hearing the second hearing of the budget hearing which is part of your regular commission meeting being held right before on September 3rd and the 17th so those are the two days that you'll be finalizing not only the millage and setting it but also on the appropriations per fund. Just an overview on property taxes. You see all our categories single family homes still 52% which holds the majority of property types, condominium 7 and then 10 for multifamily. So between those three categories alone it's about 69%, which is good, and then the rest made up of commercial. All categories are all property types had an increase in accessible value, which is a good sign. Overall, as the manager was mentioning and on your memos and all that, 8.57, so 8.6, which is consistent. It's a, for the last three years, I think, of the last three years, I think, the last three years was 12, 10, and 8 this year, so it's starting to cool down the market, and this has really been done with very little new construction, only the construction for tear downs. Nothing has come online, something like Avalon Bay or some big project like that. Milledrate, just to give you historical. We've been reducing it. I started here for 2010, since 2010. I'm going to give you a little bit of a little we shouldn't, but we like to compare ourselves with other agencies. We put together cities that are nearby and that some would say are neighboring or consistent with our field, to ROW at 1.7, which you know it's a newer city, unencorporated, umsa, unencorporated municipal service area. There's talk of annexation. Those areas in the annexation area are at 1.9090. We're pretty much in the middle of this category in this list. We are definitely on the top when you look at the older cities, you know, the city of Miami's Miami beaches which have much higher milled rate than we do at the 3.95, which I'm very proud of. This gives you an idea of how to- Do you have a question, sir? I mean, the interest of transparency, we should be looking at the right column. All of the back- Back-as-line terms are opposed to three, right? I mean, growgables, for example, includes fire. So, yeah, it might be- I know, I understand, like other religious entities that have libraries and that don't have those milleges. Sorry, yeah, I think it's really matured point. The only two on this list that probably are full service cities would be Coral Gables and Miami. But I think the balance is a pretty adder. To my point, the column on the right takes everything into account. That we were comparing it. The column on the right is a total account that we were comparing to the column on the right There's a total military right which is the impact to the taxpayer sure. I yeah, I would probably just look at it slightly differently to say Probably take out coral gables in Miami because every other city on that list is Probably offering a similar service suite as we are And the residents of those cities also pay a sanitation fee that ours had the fortunate of not paying so it's hard to cut that's why I say we like to compare but it's hard because there's different dynamics involved in many jurisdictions. And to your points the other thing that's starting to erupt but I would mind seeing this also to support your position maybe other people's positions with waste included as well. Right? Yeah, no. And the court of cable I think has, I don't know what their fee is, but it's not unincorporated. Unincorporated at 547. But there's a little bit of price here. Which will make our millage look even more attractive. So, thank you. Sorry. I agree. Thank you. Sorry. I agree. Good point. So what is the village keeping it flat compared to last year's based on the assess taxable value for last year? It's about $840,000 increase in adraloram tax. So, and 8.6 is about what the average was on when you look at all the cities throughout Miami-Dade County. Some had more construction than others or some annexation, which increased their tax base. But overall, it's 8.6 is pretty much in the middle of all those averages. Rollback. So rollback, we're proposing today keeping it flat and for the trim advertising. Rollback is at 3.6351. Rollback by definition is obtaining the same Aberroir and revenue from the previous fiscal year. So you'll see if we were to go to rollback, we'd pretty much eat up the entire amount of what the increase was at keeping maintaining it flat. So what does that mean to the average this year, or for 2024 better said? This year, the average homestead of residential properties, $418,578. So what does that mean in comparison per home? If we were to go to rollback, it would be a savings to the property owner of about a hundred on average, about $134. This is our general fund summary page. This puts it all together. I know it's a little small for people, so we broke it down and we divided it. These are all the adverloorum and forecasted revenues for the upcoming fiscal year and increase from 24 million to 27 million We'll talk about that in some in a chart up ahead We're going to maintain the same $150,000 transfer Income a revenue from our stormwater for the services we provide on the general fund side And then expenses as you can see here are are greatest expense, and you'll, again, another chart later, we'll talk about it in a little bit more detail. Police is the most expensive or the greatest expenditure of this city and almost every city, if not every city, in Miami-Dade County, which is normal. And we'll talk about some of the increases from last fiscal year to this fiscal year soon. So here are top revenues at a dorm revenue at 39%. Parking meter franchise, which is, this does include violation or revenues from tickets. This is only for hourly parking. It's 3.1 million, which is the second largest revenue source for the city in a great asset. Building permits comes in at number three at 6% with 1.5, utility tax electric, 10%. And then the franchise electric, which is also a 5%, which is added on to the FPL bills. So as inflation in grows and cost of electricity grows, sort of that revenue source, it grows, just based on percentage. Now it's expenditures. As I mentioned, police, $9 million, public works in total for including all of their divisions from building maintenance to solid waste, 4.9, finance, which includes parking, procurement, IT, and overall, that's what makes up your $26 million in forecasted expenditures for the fiscal year 25. So what are some of the highlights? Some of the increases that you've seen, legal ads continues to be a concern. We have less viable options to advertise and were required by statute to advertise certain items. So we've increased the budget, as there were as a transfer of being proposed, I believe it's an agenda as well, just because of the increased cost. My media county is doing things to try to minimize that cost for all local jurisdictions by implementing a website where we can advertise and meet the legal requirements, but they have not launched it yet. We are anxiously awaiting that they launch it because that should reduce and provide us with some relief. City Attorney, other professional legal services, a lot of asks from this commission to do certain projects, which requires additional services from the legal team. Temporary bathroom facilities, I think we spoke about it immensely today, that is something that parks and recreation budget increased, which was unanimously, surprisingly unanimously, everybody was on board. Insurance premiums, we looked at insurance premiums, and this wasn't healthcare. This was related to our general liability insurance of the city, workers' comp property. We have looked at it and studied it, and we were able to reduce certain amounts of premiums. I believe that has a lot to do with our loss ratio which has significantly improved over time. We're doing well in that and hence it has allowed us to actually reduce that expenditure line item. I'm very happy about that. Wage adjustments for the Evergreen study that was a presentation by this commission, everybody's spoken on it. I thought it was a great presentation to put us in a good position to have to improve our greatest assets, which are our employees. School's own speeding enforcement. That is a new line item revenue that's in the budget this year, which I believe all of you know very well a lot about it. So I won't touch too much, but it's a new revenue source. Full-time employee. We've added one employee, the only one full-time employee to the entire budget. The rest of the positions have already been funded previously. The one additional is in the Administrative Services Coordinator within the Administrative Services Department. And that is to help with a lot of the projects that are coming online and to help with constituent services to help the manager's office and the administrative services marketing team as well. Senior Center, increased funding for meals and events. That's one thing that we've focused on this fiscal year trying to get more events, get them dancing more. Special events, second Saturdays. I think everybody here has been there. I've been there. It's a fantastic event. We're trying to make that, not only make it permanent, but make it one of the highlights of this entire geographical software area. So, and PTP direct transit, there's, we've closed on a, so dissertation to see what's available for us on direct transit. That is something that we've increased because we're looking to increase the service for our constituents and visitors and businesses in the city. So and PTP is not general fund that's on PTP funds but nonetheless there was an increase there just to provide that service which will soon hopefully be before you. And then we'll talk about some of the unknowns. We have union to provide that service which will soon hopefully be before you. And then we'll talk about some of the unknowns. We have union negotiations. We're in the middle of union negotiations for both upper and lower units of police and AFSME will be coming online very shortly. County of garbage and trash free. I think everybody understands. We're all suffering with the incinerator of the morale going down. All local jurisdictions are looking for options. Aside from that, we don't receive our actual cost of increased services until normally the first week or last week of September, first week of October. So that's built in there. We've increased that line in them to account for that, but we just don't know what that fee is. And the same with recycling, I think everybody knows, they've opened a solicitation, they haven't awarded it yet. That new solicitation to a recycling company with Miami D County which is who we contract with hasn't come online yet so we don't know what that fee is going to be yet. So those are unknowns. And then parking program, I believe our consultant for our parking study has met with every elected official, has taken those comments and continues to go through. We're working with them, providing them with tons of data so that they can come back to you very shortly and provide you with some recommendations. And an overview of our actual parking program. Cola, we spoke about COLA. Cost of living increase for this year is 7.7. You can see in previous years, that's what what CPI which is what we use to gauge what COLA is has been over the past 10 years. Last year was 9.7. Huge this year continues but it's going down which is great at 7.7. In this budget you have a 6% cap on cost of living increases for personnel. And this is a capital improvement. We highlight that only because it's probably the largest expenditure aside from salaries in your budget. Talks about categories of expenditures. Miscellaneous is huge and we break it down here. These are all different projects in the miscellaneous project list going from holiday light improvements to the biggest one, Manor Lane callvert replacement. Everybody is well aware of the dire situation on that one, and we're still in the design process. Hopefully we'll be soliciting soon, and then we'll get a better idea exactly if it's 2.1 or a little bit less, a little bit more. Sunset Drive Town Center, a place making a huge priority for us. A lot of downtown improvements or developments are occurring. We want to keep pace with that with improvements. And then septic to sewer, $1.7 million, which we're using multiple appropriations from the legislative, from the federal state to subsidize that critical infrastructure program. So we had a CIP workshop that we went over in detail with the CIP. We've made some modifications from that CIP. These are the modifications that were taken from the workshop and that have occurred after that workshop. We've reallocated for street wide improvements, resurfacing, reduced it by 550 and reduced also the gateway entry sign on the west side on Sunside Drive. And we've increased beautification landscaping in the city and then in place making again we focused and reallocated some of those dollars for a net, no change of 600,000 to the Sunset Drive. Yep. Is this somewhere in the book? Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. Let's be changed. Yeah, my plurr. So these are other changes made, renovated, removed the civil martin facility updates, 100,000. As you know, we have a solicitation for city hall redevelopment, which closes this Friday. So we'll have a better idea, but we're limiting our improvements in anticipation, maybe of a redevelopment project here on site. So, Dr. Fesele building increase in our projections as we're getting closer to finalizing the design estimates from the engineer have increased a little bit so we want to be able to be prepared for that. Dante Fesele trail and pickleball courts, 200 and some odd amount I can't see from here. But that's an increase. I wish I could. Pedestrian crossings. This is something from Brewer. We're continuing to work with the county trying to get that cross walk installed. So, and then city walk improvements. We reduced 100,000, putting more focus on the impact fund, the parks impact fund, which is designated for park improvements. We're allocating more money there to help continue to maintain our parts in a pristine manner. We've reallocated other changes in funding. One of the things that you saw, 700,000, come off of the CIP that was presented at last time because we are anticipating hopefully in August. You'll see an item coming before you to do the LED conversion at Palmer Park using ARPA monies which is we're on a deadline to make sure we allocate all ARPA monies by December of this year. So those are the major debt schedule. You can see we have a debt schedule which is annually about our debt service is about a million dollars of which the Greatest amount one which is number one falls off on October 1st of 2026. So we're close to finalizing that debt And then the chase loan is at a 1.3% very low debt so which terminates or ends on April 1st of 2032 Alfredo sorry. Yep good question it. I'm sorry. Yep. Good question to the mayor. Sorry. Yes, go ahead. Can you allocate the interest that we're paying on these particular two long? What do you mean percentage? What's the interest rate? Oh, OK. So for the first one, Stunt Trust 2011, that's the refinancing of the contaminated bonds from, you know, from 2002, 2001, 2006, that interest rate is a taxable loan, which makes a big difference. That one is that, I believe, that 4.3, going by memory here, and the chase loan is at 1.3. That was a refinance of all of our non-exempt taxable loans. exempt tax non-exempt or exempt taxable loans. So 4.3 on the central 2011 one. Correct. Thank you. That was 4.3. That was. Commissioner Lee, may I have a question? Sorry, just to add to this conversation for future projections, the chase loan increases every year and toward the end of the loan, there were over half a million dollar payment. I don't have those hard numbers in front of me, but. The more schedule it does have it, more backloaded. It's backloaded. That's correct. It's more backloaded by design because we were anticipating this debt being retired and then coming up. So yes, it does increase, not so that same level, but pretty close. Well, what's in the out years, what's the combined debt service payment for that loan? After 2020, 26, yes. What's it look like? Is it get up to the million dollars or $555.30? Okay, so it doesn't, so we'd still be at half, I'm just trying to get a sense. We still be at half of the current debt service number or 60%. I'll tell you in two seconds, I'm going to bring it up in two seconds. Thank you for highlighting that. That's a good point. So our debt service in the highest point, which would be in 2029, or or actually let's just say in the last year 2031 our debt service for that the highest would be 595 and 599 last year 2032 so that's the end right right that's it doesn't it's not being supplanted but yeah it goes up. Definitely doesn't stay at the 353. So for our are we are you budgeting based on what the fund is requiring per year on your budget? Yes, we don't want to budget. A surplus or a lot of balance. We don't we don't do that. No, not because it's not meant it's just meant to actually cover so you can Identify the debt service. Okay, we don't we don't accumulate any money because it doesn't I think it is something that's Important to show. Well, I mean guys will in conversation at time. Sorry. I think it is important to show as we're I'm not sure that I Appreciate that fact. Thank you for sleeping for mentioning it. In any of the prior presentations we've had on debt service, I do not believe that the amort schedule increasing on that loan was ever represented. So I think when we're not budgeting for it, we do need to account for it. When we're looking at projected debt service payments, right? Going forward, but so. Well, I mean, I think what I was trying to do is with maybe what we can do is allocate a little bit more money to it, put an interest bearing in the count, wear a pay for that, and as continue to grow it will minimize that over the years. So I don't mind allocating a little bit more money to it in a fund that is going to generate probably a little bit more than we're paying right now for the future to kind of bring that down over the years. Just using the money to pay it back by itself, generating its own things. So we can talk about that. All our funds are right now invested and earning at the minimum at 5% right now. All of our funds, 100% of our funds are invested, earning 5%. Every one of them. Maybe this is another one that we need to create, or something like that. Just, we'll talk about it. Okay. Okay, okay, um, hold on hold on. I'm sorry. No problem. You two guys on the court on the ends are getting excited today Before I recognize you again, I apologize my advice mayor. There's a quarry any any questions on this topic I'm okay Commissioner my advice mayor offline. I'm gonna need you to explain this to me better because the volley happening from corner to corner here I just need to need to explain this to me better because the volley happening from corner to corner here I Just need to better understand just just because again, so you can try to restate what's happening this payment Over the age of the lows are going to go up, but basically just almost double Okay, yeah, I got that the part that I I want to better understand is Well commissioner guy had just mentioned where he's mentioning possibilities that I don't have his ability to do. He's suggesting we create a sinking fund where we're just paying cash into an account that we can reinvest and in the out years try to reduce the payment. I would just say as a general probably cash management practice we're doing that anyways. So I'm not sure again I think it's a good idea. Before already doing it there may not be quite the benefit that we're that he's suggesting. But is that what you and I had had a conversation on before of paying down debt that had a higher interest rate where you saving your money versus paying it down? That's just a cash money Yeah, but I'm saying that's the that's the gist of that conversation. We should not ever want to prepay this chase low down No, basically no fact. I mean it's at 1.3 percent It's it's basically free money so you know, we pay it. Well, we'll take it all the way down to 2032 The you know in a different environment this parking garage loan the, you know, in a different environment, this parking garage loan, you know, three years ago, probably would have made sense at Pre-Paid, because we could have gotten money probably more cheaply. Again, it's probably locked in at the cheapest rate you could get for taxable debt. Correct. So that's... We think that, and what the closing costs, compared to the bond council, we looked at it three different years. Correct, yes. And we could never make financial sense of it. So, but, you know, that would be one you would look at, because I could say four or a half percent. But by today's standards is still pretty cheap, buddy. So. By today's standards, absolutely, but not bad. But at the time it was pretty expensive money for municipal debt. So anyhow. Thank you. OK, Commissioner Lieben. Sorry. So as the mayor knows, my opposing positions are always completely transparent. So though I may oppose something, I will. Sometimes I argue in favor of it, just in the interest of transparency. So my point was just to provide transparency and for future predictions. But it is not bring it up as a concern. So mayor pointed out at the highest point, and it'll still be half of our current debt obligation. And we're talking about, and not, me and at the highest point will be less than a quarter million. An average of talking about 150,000, so it's definitely not a concern. And as was mentioned, it's 1.3 or 1.4%. It is, it's not a concern. I just brought up for a few minutes. No, but I appreciate you noting that there is not a straight line and more schedule there. I was not aware of it. So I didn't know it. The nominal amount of money. Yeah. Sorry. OK. Thank you, sir. Continue. Sorry, interrupts. Oh, please. Thank you for your hard work. There you go. I was. I appreciate it. Thank you for you. And team. Okay. Questions on the presentation. Let's go left to right. Could you leave anyone who leaves off? Okay. Sorry. So in no particular order, this is not based on the entire budget. You know, line-in by a line. I'm just based on what was presented to us today. So, start with the Parks Master Plan. Know this because championed it. I don't recall when, maybe you were coming up on 10 years, but what have suggested in the past, I just wanted to be noted, unless people, meaning the commission, residents, vendors, or parks and rec direction, or part of Warren's having. Let's go down your list. Sorry. And what we'll do is, if there are- They can take notes. I'm taking notes. Okay. And then if there's, if it's a concern that's act, I'll just quickly pull the commission. Okay. If everyone wants you. So unless we weren't happy with that group that did it or unless you're not around, I'd like to go to the same group to defray some of those costs because I don't even think we're at the 10-year anniversary that though maybe it has a life of 10 years was absolutely looking forward and we did not. But we implemented a lot. We exceeded every expectation in terms of parks improvements. We didn't do everything on that list. There were blue ways and so forth. So, yeah, I'd like to look to use the same group to defraise some of those costs, and I think it may even be early, or maybe we wanted to coincide with the 10 year anniversary of that item. And that, that parks plan did master plan, did also include, I know it's the commission's interest adding additional green spaces and parks. So maybe we should revisit that before and I brought this up before you go out for that. The sidewalk, I knew it was dressed, I wrote this down, but we get into the sidewalk debate. But when you add sidewalks, I know it's not what is proposed, but you need to study the construction, but the big thing is always the maintenance. So I just wanna reiterate that those monies, and I'm in favor of it, are for sidewalk maintenance. In terms of the, ironically, this came up in my meeting with the city manager yesterday, completely unrelated to the budget, because I'm just learning about it now. But adding to police, this is for the police department or police chief, adding to motorcycle officers. I'm in favor of it. I'm not opposing it. It's just for my own education. Just clarify for the record, we're not adding officers. We're adding motorcycling. Motorcycling, sorry. So to clarify, I agree with the mayor, not adding, but we're adding two motorcycles. So before my time in 2012, the city had done away with well before the office of the motorcycle, and then during my time they brought them back, and then they did away with it again. It's something I appreciate. I'm just, I brought up to ironically yesterday. I just educate me in the public why we're bringing them back. Again, I support it. I'm just curious why the change. And with the utility tax, I know I'm getting a little granular here. I just wanted to sort of a reminder, I believe that's the maximum percent, 6%. And then just to refresh my, and I'm in favor that and then Just refresh my memory if if because the number of of homes and solar is growing It because we depend on that and we're in inflationary environment if the city if the city still receives a at least a minimum base I know we want to encourage solar, but I forgot what we landed If the city still receives at least a minimum base, I know we want to encourage solar, but I forgot what we landed. So if I can just to kind of understand what you're asking to them, you're asking, are you asking about the rate that we're charging? Well we charge the maximum rate at 6%. That's a two early band-aid rate. It's fixed. That's my understanding. Well I believe, sorry. We can change it. Okay, can you come to the max? We're at the max and I'm in favor of that. Okay. Okay. So, okay. We have, I just declare our honor break the question down to two pieces. I understand it. One is we have flexibility on setting that rate. Correct. And you're saying you're fine with the rate at the maximum statutory level. Are you trying to understand whether it's- That question was answered where at 6%, I believe, I'm going to maintain the 6, my position, and Claire from there, it isn't fixed. Just the ceiling's fixed. We could charge 3, 4, or 1,5 enemy may have charged less previously. But I'm fine with the 6. My question is, is if the number of homes impartially because we mandate it or on solar if we're still receiving a minimum. How is the how are we used calculated because we do? It's whatever the bill is even if you're on solar normally you're tied into the grid and there's going to be in certain months you know even maybe six dollars then it's based on the six dollars whatever the bill is that's what the percentage is calculated. Both the utilities and the franchise. Utilities six franchise. So it's on the rate base, it's on the rate base for South Miami. Correct. Or I'm going with it, and we do a lot to encourage. So there are no solar, there's an expensive, and there's two arguments, environmental, and then the financial. But is there at least a minimum that we can charge? No, no minimum rate. Okay. We don't have- They've gone for a percentage, 100%. Great. And may we don't, you can take that off your list. We don't have to revisit that. With the bathrooms, I'm in favor of the bathrooms. With 170, approximately $1,000 to buy bathrooms. As was suggested, we can use it Southamany Park, as the mayor mentioned. Don Tifacelle for construction to add to that. I would suggest events in the city, the city owned, sponsored, I'm gonna say just the city events, for outside events. And then we give very generous, I would charge for that, those are an expensive piece of equipment. You have to transport it, cleaning, to rent it, make sure that's not a giveaway But I think that we should also include it in our in our our show and so forth not in sunset But when I'm one of the side streets that's another use for it and then I assume it would be stored at the public work site Not in use More likely we have the yeah more unlikely okay, and then The second Saturdays was mentioned in the success. I just wanted it's it's great. It's not a knock I just want to say that Mentioned before giving credit to staff Organizing and managing events is very time-consuming so in addition to the capital outlay there's In addition to the capital outlay, there's a big human component too, in terms of labor. And then what I'd like to do is beyond that street there, get an idea of the economic impact. So we can measure, the head count is a success, but then is it an economic driver? And how much we spend in the capital, we don't think of this as a screener. We just might concern the capital outlay, the manpower, which is something we overlook, because events are very consuming. And then would that money be better allocated toward marketing or something else? It's just a thought, not a criticism we can keep going with the Saturday. This also came in with the city of Mandry yesterday. I'm definitely opposed to 250,000 for Girl Scout Park. Not knock on the Girl Scouts. There's like Google, how many charities, non-for-profits, over half a million. And we are a non-for-profit, and it's a separate category as government. But our obligation is to our residents, not to one specific non-for-profit or charity. We can argue all day long that they can't afford it. Let's just put a list together. I want to say, when any organization is a dollar a year lease, they have that dollar a year lease so that their cost savings can be put back into that property and then in driving around the property, which to have been doing a lot recently. The trees don't, it's all personal opinion, but those trees don't bother me. The vines can be pulled. I think those are unattractive. But to me, the most unattractive thing that I noticed than neglect was the easement, all the weeds on the easement. And could have the debate whether they're or Lee's sense at the fence, but everyone else is least private whether you're tenant or you're on the property you're responsible for the easement and that could be taken care of with the weed whacker and to me that's offensive to the meat they're unsightly to the immediate residents. Commissioner on that point on that comment you're asking you're talking about the area of the easement outside the sidewalk out beyond the sidewalk between the sidewalk and the sidewalk and street So call it's swell and then just explain to me what signage community rating is I just Lapse here. I know I We've gone over I believe this is mr. Manager correct with her wrong. This is related to a flood mitigation and Probably something we're doing to increase our our points rating so that actually buys down the cost of flood insurance premiums for residents. Correct. Great. The question can cross off your list. Thank you for reminding me. And then separate, sorry, everyone just reminder and we could do it tonight. Can we review the city hall schedule again? We can do that this evening, but it was brought Yeah, just considering the deadlines this Friday we could see some plans or renderings Yeah, just to remind the commission and community of the schedule. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Madam vice mayor Sorry I Want to have a little bit more of a conversation not as it relates to the two loans that we have, but in general, where the Budget and Finance Committee, there was a comment that we need to manage the life of, make sure that the life of the loan doesn't outlive the life of the item. And I think that I'd like to have a little bit more conversation on that, even if it's not now. I'd like to have a little bit more discussion about the administrative services coordinator position. I think at some point we need to come around and have a more in-depth conversation about where we are with the police department. I know that you're in negotiations right now, but I think it would be good for all of us to have, whether it's a sunshine meeting or whatever it is, that we get more in-depth information in the police because I see- With respect to- With respect to- With respect to- Staffing? Staffing and what we're doing with the money in the police department and what we see going because there are some significant numbers in here moving forward and we need to make sure we're all on the same page and I don't think that we are. There was a mention of $320,000 in reductions in this budget but I wasn't very clear on where those came from and where they went. I think we talked through that rather quickly. We had a conversation about seniors and raising their budget. When I was looking at the numbers in the booklet, it seemed to me and it may be incorrect that we're serving more seniors than we are children on average. And I thought that's worth more of a conversation. When we're talking about septic to sewer and the culverts and- Just slow down for one second. No, it's all right. I'll have to talk to you after. I had to switch pens. Okay, seniors and university kids, okay, got it. Continue. Then when we're talking about the septic to sewer, the culverts and the resurfacing of the streets and sidewalks. I'd like to maybe have a bit more of a conversation of how that looks related to annexation and on its own. I think that I mentioned it yesterday in my conversation with the city manager and with the finance that there's that colored grid that we saw and I'd like to see how we're kind of biting away at that apple in these resurfacing of the streets and sidewalks what that really looks like for the money that we're looking at investing But can I can ask you yeah, I get that part, but I'm not sure we would be able to have that conversation around the annexation areas because I think we've done this We haven't done the assessments to really understand what the deferred mean. It's me or may not be there So it's I I want to make sure that we're addressing your concern But I just don't know what we can have the baseline information to do that And that's fine. I think that those things are things that also need I literally had them on their own and then I will annexation question mark next week because whatever we're doing here will realistically have to move to that next week. Okay, so we'll get some more clarification from the manager on kind of the catch up contribution versus what the study showed for street enhancements. And I can share that from an annexation stamp. Although it's not in the budget for purposes of the presentation that was provided yesterday during the sunshine meeting. We did from a cost of service standpoint, we did an order of magnitude linear, you spread it over 10 years, that's $55,000. Okay, and- That is not mindful of roads that maybe need reconstruction per se, but we did that. Let's do this. Can we, if I can, without the objection, I don't want to mix the two conversations. Respectfully, I think, let's have a conversation. We had a sunset meeting a few of us yesterday. I think it warrants a lot more conversation. We should probably add as a discussion item at a September agenda, an update on annexation. I was having some conversation with the manager who I mentioned to you on the sidebar today that I very much would think it would be appropriate for us to have one conversation about whether we should just go for the whole enchilada. Meaning we should try to round out the Northern service boundary as well as part of this conversation. So I just wanted to make sure that the comment that I made because it was discussed yesterday is there's no funds allocated to annexation in this budget. Understood. I just want to maybe. I didn't think that there were, but thank you. Yeah, just in case. Okay. But maybe adding this is a discussion item for whatever August meeting we choose to have would be timely. Okay. I go ahead. Then there was made a mention on the PTP on demand service. And I don't know if anybody knows anything about that, but that was a little bit of a slide for me. Which one of her? The transportation on the man service. So we'll get an update on the RFP. Yep. And then the Girl I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that. I'll try to be brief, but I you know the Budget and Finance Committee did an amazing job. Alfredo, you did an amazing job. Thank you city staff I approve of of the budget as is a very very minor questions One thing that really really stood out and something I think we all want to focus closely on is our property tax information revenue sources from there we're seeing such strong increases in residential and somewhat of stagnation and commercial. And I think that's something that's really, really going to change in the next couple years. And it's so interesting because a lot of the residential that we're seeing increase is because people are reinvesting so heavily in their own properties. And that's what we're trying to do is the city to meet them. So just something to look at and something that really really stood out to me moving through. So I am in support of the temporary bathrooms at South Miami Park. I was happy there was consensus. Just want to list what we wanted to discuss. Just what we wanted to discuss. All right, just two very, very minor things. The police motorcycles just seemed like they were. Got you down for police motorcycles. Yeah, there was just a lot of conversation on it. Yeah. Okay. Motor units. Sorry. CIP's trying to know otherwise they're going to be all day guys. CIP funding sources that we didn't get this year. Just curious about them. Okay. So motors and CIP funding sources. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Give us your guy. I'm gonna be really I apologize Okay Real quick so going to the gym We saw a big demand for pickleball especially with the elderly on board I want Quinn to reconsider opening up the gym on Sundays that'll be an increased budget to that So just so we can talk about that reconsider opening up the gym on Sundays. That'll be an increased budget to that. So we can talk about that. We have an opportunity for reduced parking for locals. There's the new system coming on board. It might affect the budget if we work on reduced parking, especially for our citizens. So they have an opportunity to have reduced parking. One of the things that, well, we'll talk about that afterwards. So reduced parking for residents and commercial owners, by the way, too. I think that we always try to be best in class. Fourth of July was great and it continues to do that. I kind of want to continue to improve that as one of our staples. So maybe increase the budget, maybe a little bit longer on the fireworks. What else we can do there. I don't wanna kind of continue with the Santa Square. I wanna do a better job with that. Even though it's great, I wanna be better. Clean up the lakes over by where Vice Mayor lives. There's a lot of debris, a lot of things. I don't know who owns that or how we do that. But one of the major projects that I know we're gonna work into with parks is a waterway systems and how we're going to start making that as a part of our community. So I really want to start looking at that. I don't know if this is the year for that, but we can talk about that. I have a couple of meetings coming up for economic development to echo Commissioner Liebman's kind of status and get more data and analytics to it. I really want to start growing that opportunity for economic development as our commerce represents 60% and it's going to continue to improve and increase so we need to start looking at that and set the foundations for that. Senior opportunities, this goes a little bit co-enthand with what I wanted and I don't know where the commission stands but I want to add resources to the commission. I'll give you an example if you may, Mayor, just one quick example. I put in in place a growing like a garden facility with the elderly and all I did was put two different organizations together. But the ability for us to have the resources to do something like that and maintain it, that might be money better spent and just alloc the resources to do something like that and maintain it that might be money better spent And just allocating funds to do things like that so just an opportunity sure, so I'm sorry We're talking about staffing staffing staffing. Okay, okay so And just so that we're not repeating topics Is that a conversation we can have about the staff the proposed? Yes. Staff would be in addition to. Okay, so let's just keep it we'll keep it in the ambit of just that one staff position if you want to expand on that's staffing your questions talk about there. Okay, continue. Oh, I wasn't sure we have underlying operations or the break the breaking break round of our phase is coming at the end of the year. So I know we pledged to help out with maintenance and operation a little bit. So we can discuss that and see that in the budget. And I would like to add some funds for annexation. For annexation. Budget that we need. Okay. Whatever we need to pay. Okay. Thank you. No problem. You guys, you guys covered most of it. I have just a couple items. One is I'd like to talk about, just basically an update. I'm not sure if there are any cost implications or not to the budget, but our health insurance, broker situation, and I understand what's happening. It's a premium, premium increases. I had not had a chance to. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good wanted to talk about that. I was not aware that it was two. I thought it was just one court we're policing. City Hall, I know that in our in the proposed item we have on the bond referendum question, we've identified monies for the support to revitalization of this campus. I'm wondering again, do we need to have some dollars reserved in this budget to deal with what could be relocation and temporary operating expenses off site, right? So just wanted to put that on the table. Yeah, maybe we can clarify. I don't know if there's anything we need to do, but we have that, the reason being, we may not get everything we want by way of the responses. So I just want to be practical in making sure that we've got some amount of money reserved for some unexpected operating expenditures. Given that we were expecting proposals tomorrow, we figured we were really timely and close up. Having someone understand. And again, I don't know that I need to have a long discussion about the instrumentator today, but I just want to put on the radar screen. So as we develop the budget the next month and that's something that we're possibly considering. Yep. One minor improvement that's not in the capital budget that I like to have as consider is mango terrace has a sign that is in deplorable shape. It's on a calendar right away. And I don't know that it's our sign to maintain ever from the best we can ascertain but I think it would be important for us to just make a minimal investment to just enhance the aesthetic there since that neighborhood is transitioning substantially and then I can't read my own handwriting so I'll pick up that one at some point later. Oh, enforcement revenues. Thank you. Yes, thank you Mr. Manager. Yes, I'd like to have a conversation on what we, if there's something we can do on the enforcement revenue side, to reduce the burden on visitors and I think the negative burden's having on our commercial tax base. So why don't I take the items at least we're mentioned a couple of times by us to start. So we hit those first. Chief, there were a couple, yes why as to start so we hit those first Chief there were a couple. Yes, you can man When we're done doing this are we offline going to individually have more meetings with finance and chip and stuff for sure because I Have a book full of stuff, but I just think it don't think it's appropriate To have that much of an in-depth conversation sitting here. I don't know that it better. No, I think I want to highlight the items that there seems to be some concern about and get some sense of what we want to do to manage your direction about what to do next as we develop the budget. So that's a point of this conversation. And by all means, as with anything, you should have as many meetings with the manager and staff as you like to discuss whatever concerns and priorities to have about the budget. Yeah, this doesn't go silent between on September. Yeah, I just want to make sure that this is not the idea that it's going to be here forever. Questions on process, yes sir? Yes, the process. So the process would be we have this initial conversation, work it in, have a second meeting with all the conversations that we're having. So let me just kind of contextualize what we're trying to do here. So we've all highlighted the issues that we found in the initial presentation. I think the point now is, let's see on these issues, if we can get the manager and staff some directions, they can sense that there's a consensus about how we want to deal with the item. Do we want to have that extra staffing position? We want to eliminate that staffing position. There may be a difference of opinion. So we'll need more staff may be required. Try to give them some directions that can kind of develop a consensus budget. So we limit the issues we have to discuss in September, right? And in between, if there are particular items that you're concerned about, certainly sit down with the manager and staff and work through those concerns that you have, okay? A big sense? Okay. So I'm gonna start with the motor units as I came up a couple times, chief, if you can explain the purpose of the request and what you're hoping to accomplish for it. Well, the first purpose of it is traffic enforcement. That's one of our number one complaints throughout the city. As you all know, a lot of our roadways are very narrow. I'm very tight in some of these neighborhoods. And to park an SUV on the swale, does become problematic. And it's also obviously a warning, just that as soon as you pull down the street and you see a vehicle on the swale, you're automatically looking at it. The other part of that is motor units are very user friendly and congested traffic and as we all know we have some congested traffic here off of us one a motor unit can turn around and a lane and a half to circle back on the speeding vehicle. They're also very good for parades community engagement as well as escorts. We've had to turn down Escort opportunities in the past because we do not have a motor unit to be able to bounce from one intersection to the next. They're also economically efficient, more so than SUV, and that's the reason I'm one of the reasons I'm bringing them back, as well as it is an opportunity for recruitment and retention. As you know, we're a very small agency with not a lot of opportunities for officers to do other things other than being a patrol car. So an opportunity to have a specialized unit being a motor unit that obviously entice some folks to come to South Miami. Okay. Questions? A couple questions. Yes, sir. It's funny you're sitting there because I was thinking the same thing. I've been unfortunately to a couple of funerals lately. But do these people that ask for resources for motorcyclists do they pay more because the motorcyclists or is it pretty much the same across the board? No it's pretty much the same across the board as far as that goes. Okay thank you. Commissioner Lieber. I'm sorry, Commissioner Cory. No problem. I Lieber. I'm sorry, Commissioner Cory. No problem. I appreciate it. I love the mobility. I love seeing police officers or bikes including yourself. And but I did have a question just about the line item. It says $70,000 and it's for two. But $70,000 sounds a little low for two police motorcycles. Is that writers at $ 70,000 per? No, it's correct. We've priced them both out. I expect the amount at right at 70, yes sir. Oh, okay. That was my order. Which is basically the cost of 1 SUV. Yeah. At the end of the day. So, and then to the vice mayor's point regarding staffing, I think I've discussed it with the manager in the mayor. We do have staffing vacancies. That's not unheard of, especially here in Miami-Dade County. However, we do have job offers out for all of our vacancies. At this point, speaking with HR the other day, we have 51 applicants in the pipeline in the queue that we can start screening from. So just to give an data on the staff. For the question, thank you. Yes, like I said, I'm in favor of it. And I loved it before I didn't necessarily understand. It's my own identification why we got for them twice. Before my term once we were here, I really liked the officers as well. And they're no longer with us. Recall correctly, I think maybe one of the reasons was the heat, the const exposure of the sun with a long sleeve uniform. And I know different commission, administration, different police department direction, but do you know why we got rid of them before? All those very same reasons, sir. Yeah, I would say that there was a loss of interest. There were officers who were not utilizing the motorcycles properly as it should be utilized and the department elected a chief at the time administration to elect it to go away from probably got more utility. So to speak out of the SUVs, because of the officers doing essentially the same thing but in a vehicle. But you lose that community engagement, the touch, and the facial, the community there. So, yes, it's one of our AM in favor of it. I like the change in the direction, and I also want to say as long as they're up there, there's something similar. I've noticed a lot more police officers in the resident single family areas on bicycle. They park their car, they get on the bike, and I enjoy seeing that, and I believe the residents do as well. So thank you. We just put on a bike school, so I think we've certified another five additional officers on bikes, so good opportunity for us to move forward to continue with the bike program as well. Chief, I think there's a question on whether we have officers that are certified to operate the motor units. What's that? We have a summary. We assume we make the investment. Assuming we make the investment, we have one officer who has a previous certified and expressed interest in that program. Part of our labor union discussions are the ability to hire a direct motor officer, somebody who's already previously certified. No difference in any private entity would go to higher an individual, they already have the skill set, why would we not hire them? Okay, thank you for the questions on this item. Sound like this is a consensus item, everyone's fine, questions answered, so give the man there to keep, interaction to keep in the budget. Thank you, sir, appreciate your time. Next item that got some comments was the Girl Scouts invasive tree removal line item. Did you want to use her? I have another idea. Yes, sure. So if the commission, I'm not saying the commission is, but if the commission is an in favor of it, but the commission would like to improve that area, and it's more dollars, but maybe simultaneously, we do a parking lot study because we've already authorized that for self-mimey park. Maybe it's really with the Girl Scouts, I know it may take revision to the lease, but I think to be open to that. We put a proper parking lot there, compliment that with the crosswalk, because there is parking overflow for all of our recreation activities at that park. I know it's a singular event, but would your life worth as well. But maybe that's the better use of the money, and that way we're not taking away from improving parks or that specific park. But to a real parking lot, with a compliment there with a crosswalk, and that way it's also a service to our residents because that we people aren't parking on their easements every weekend and then it's also it helps with public safety because there's more visibility less people walking on the main street with kids getting other cars on the weekends when they have a lot of you know little league activities. Thank you. Okay. Yes, go ahead. When I was discussing this with the city manager and finance yesterday, I had made mention that Trying to think of the right way to say this. When you Rent a house to someone They are responsible for the upkeep. And if they cannot do that, then they do not stay. We do not want to be the people that say, oh, you know the city of South Miami kicked out the Girl Scouts. And I understand that, but there needs to be then a major give and take. So I think, so I think this is, I know we've talked about back and forth quite a bit. I still don't understand and maybe we need a memo from the sea attorney as to what the rights and obligations are of the parties. That's to I agree with you that that's probably typically rearrangement, but I looked at this contract over a year and a half ago. I can tell you it's not a very well developed lease. And so I would normally assume that that's the situation. I don't know what's reduced to writing in this case. Do you know what I would suggest? In addition to what I'm going to say, which is let's look at it and get a memo on what have you I think that any discussion that happens about any possible repairs and Landscape removal and what have you would then have that part that as of today is 100% Unusable, I would say we would section off where the Girl Scout house is. We've talked about this. I think so I want to break this up into two baskets. One is having the dollars to do things, which is what I think the manager's proposing. I think having the conversation about when we spend those dollars and under what conditions is a separate conversation. So my strong preference would be for us to engage the Girl Scouts and try to modify the existing lease in a way that works for them and for us. And that we spend the $250,000 under the condition that we have a modified lease. But I think we need to agree on what that modified lease will do. I think and I don't disagree with you. I just don't know what the modified lease terms are going to look like or what they're willing to consider or accept. So we need to allow for and if we haven't given the direction, I think we give the direction to, I think we have to staff to start those conversations and bring us back something. If one of us wants to participate, you know, very deeply in those conversations, I'm happy to have someone nominate themselves to do that. I'd be more than happy to do it seeing as it's one block away from my home. OK, so I think if you'd like to work with staff on that, I have no objection to you volunteering to do that. And bring us back, hopefully, a reconceptualized relationship. I think there is the question about, do we allocate that $2.15 out to do stuff on the footprint of that lease hold or do we allocate it elsewhere? That's the subject of today's conversation. And is it $250 plus the $35,000? So just a kind of shed some light that may kind of accelerate this. We have a meeting about a week to have that dialogue with the Girl Scouts. And so the reason why funds are in a proposed budget is if in the anticipation that the stars align and we have an agreement, that this commission and the Girl Scouts agree ultimately that we would be doing something on that property because of the reasons that we have talked about before. So next week we're going to have sort of our second. We've had conversations in the Parks and Reckless Act conversation, but more substantive about, OK, how do we tweak the lease and share responsibility and access to this property? To the question of the amount, that amount is not necessarily the, we'll call it construction amount, meaning actual removal of all the invasives and building some trails. There's an assessment that has to be made to identify exactly which plant materials are invasives, what is protected, what can't be touched. And so that's the, would be the initial expected amount of a study and design, and then whatever is determined as the cost of removal and so forth. But having said that, I think at the 25th, I believe the date we have a meeting to begin conversations with them. And then we'll ultimately see. So between now and September, from a budget hearing standpoint, we'll probably have a lot more information that could guide this commission. And what numbers do we have in the budget now? Because I see 250 but there was another number before. Was there not? So I'm trying to get a better picture. Well we'll get the exact amount. I mean I don't remember if there's any other amount buried anywhere else. But there is a proposed amount on the bond question. Yeah, but not in the budget. So I don't know if that might be the source of some confusion as well. Now again, I think Commissioner Levin made a suggestion. Do we want to consider an alternate allocation to this money? I think improvements to the area on the west side of the property absolutely would be well received and certainly would meet an immediate need, particularly with a crosswalk. Since if you ever go out there to watch baseball that's a very heavily utilized lot but what's the what's the pleasure of the commission? Yes sir? I do think that this is the a good idea to push this forward and just keep in mind that like obviously this has to come back to all of us and no one here is going to agree to a one-way deal of cleaning this up. I've approached this in the past before. When we did have a budget allocated for the location and we never moved forward because at that time, we couldn't get a deal done with them. But we were approaching them. In this case, they have approached us. And I do think it gives us an opportunity. I live right by there as well to potentially have this public space be a public space again so I really do want to move forward with this. Are we are we then saying we want to have two different amounts because I think if we were to take this 250 and try to do the parking lot stuff so are we adding money here are we separating the parking lot I'm a little confused there. Because if not, were we doing either or? I think the commission really been suggesting it was neither a war situation. I mean, sorry, I'll clarify. I'm just trying to work with everyone. And if we want to spend that money, we want to improve that. I gave an alternative idea, but where I am, I just want to be very clear, I'm 100% against spending a dollar to remove any trees. So I'm 100% against any allocation to remove trees on that property. Whether under the current operating circumstances that they change, would we be willing to make the investment? I'm still so inequitable. I'm talking about a collective amount of over 100 years of $100 has been $250,000 to remove trees. I don't foresee it as a destination. It's not inviting. So I don't foresee it as a destination. I've been there. I did an open house to start opening the door for this discussion. I don't foresee the public as much as they'll talk about visiting Vansmith and walking those trails. And even though there's a little neighborhood cleanup committee for Vansmith, I don't foresee the public using it. Certainly not the number of heads to justify that expense. So I'm against spending a dollar to remove anything on the interior of the lot or even improve it. If it's on the exterior of the fence, and it would benefit our current programs, and like I said, there's also a public safety benefit then I'd be in favor of it. Okay, so either or. Not either or. Only one parking. Only one parking. Yeah, definitely not either or. Only the or. Only the or. But that's okay. Vote me out. Yeah, so I'm for keeping this amount of to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I we have gotten to city and so from an environmental stewardship perspective we should be curating, maintaining that space as good environmental stores but that's my personal opinion. I would want to keep some money in. I certainly think we should be looking at some expenditure to improve the conditions of that unofficial official parking lot and enhancing the connectivity with the crosswalk. So Mr. Manager, that's something else we want to put on to the CIP project list. I certainly would before that. There's no objection from my colleagues. Okay, so I think that and I think we need to I need to refresh, you know, that footprint and how that relates to the lease and it's not I think it's outside the lease of the leaseable so this is the area just west of the fence line right up against 67th Avenue. So we can make it grass, we can make it work in the middle. And that's a mutual benefit if it's the growth. It does absolutely. It does. Okay, so I think the consensus here is keep the money in, see if there's some way we can augment that investment with improvements to the adjoining parking lot. Okay The next item we had that kind of generated comment from everyone is the seniors versus kids For a more in our full way of describing it, so I'll let you kind of explain what your thoughts are. When I was looking at the booklet it was talking about the amount of children that do different sports and then it was showing senior things so I'm I'm wondering if We could get a little clarification if that's accurate Vice-American you let us know the pages wait. I'm trying to find it Does anybody know let's see I'm trying to find it. Does anybody know? Let's see. Let's go to Parks and Rec. So we started at 228. Okay. If you see the first graph is on 232 for the senior, oh no, it has everybody. And so I was like, am I reading this wrong? Because senior weekday meals served and delivered, it's a ridiculous amount, like compared to the kids so I'm trying to get a handle on maybe a Quentin can tell us so we got a lot of meals obviously don't equate the people right because you know being fed multiple double days but it's the same person so the meals number is not gonna correlate with the people served and and so yeah but we have that do we have an estimate of how many seniors are served so that we can see because we we continue and I get that for a lot of us it's it's a bit of a passion project I just want to make sure that we are looking at this the right way it definitely won't be more more seniors served than kids I mean with our parks program where we certainly serve a lot more kids and seniors. When you look at football, you have 160. When you look at cheerleaders, we have 22. Basketball, we have 800. Yeah. But. Yeah, between all our programming, those number of kids are going to add up way more than the seniors that we're serving at. So again, what about our weekly programs? This is something they come and go. So I was looking at this, but maybe I'm not looking at it right. I'm not seeing what our weekly kids program looks like. Quentin, I guess from a senior standpoint, the number of seniors that are participating in our meals program so we can populate that number relative to the kids that we're serving. Yeah, like our after and programs and what have you As related to our senior programming So yeah if I can if I can clarify the question I think the question is how many those are act those are the total number of aggregate meals delivered annually I'm guessing correct in both categories weekend and weekday so how many unique participants are we serving in those two line items? Unique is roughly between 65 to 70 seniors. And again, those meals are the weekday meals as well as the weekends over an annual basis. And on the weekend meals? The Reactor? Yes. Yeah, the weekend meals, Saturdays and Sundays, roughly anywhere between 65 to 70, it varies each week. Okay. Thank you. We have some trying to get like a correlation on when I'm looking at, you know, staffing and budgets, what that really looks like. Do you know how many kids? Because we're talking about football cheerleaders and basketball but that this doesn't mention or at least I didn't see the weekly like the after school and what have you. Do we know that? Yeah we do it's not in this report here but we do have it internally. Example you see football there, roughly projected about 130. Our after school program is about 85 kids. Our summer camp program is about 120. You know, we pretty much have data on every program that we do. Whether it's swimming lessons, our soccer program, the baseball program, things that I'm actually doing. So it's not in this report, but we do keep it internally. Thank you. No problem. Senator Drescher, you're coming. Okay, now related to that, I think, Commissioner Cuyah, you had wanted to discuss the, and I think the vice-president, this is well, the administrative service coordinator position in staffing. That was really it. Okay, so who wants to leave this off in that conversation? I think I'll ask the city manager so we're all clear what the position of the details are that you're asking for and kind of what I was envisioning that we can chitchat about. Certainly. As I mentioned earlier as part of this review of the positions that have been eliminated over 20 years I'm sorry 10 years but 20 positions We brought some of those key positions back next year maybe not in the same form But we identified areas of need this is an extension of that Obviously as we all know there's a lot going on a lot of activity And so this position would work within the administrative services area which is you know focusing on outreach and Concentrifying affairs and supporting the entire city as it relates to Our outreach and part of our effort to be more responsive. So That is one additional body that would support that area. I make a mention in in the memo that there's been that area. I make a mention in the memo that there's been questions of supporting individual members of the commission here and there with projects and initiatives that may be needed and that disposition would as an additional duty support that as needed. So, but if that wasn't even the case and I mentioned this to Vice Mayor yesterday, I would still be bringing this recommendation forward that the city for our ability to manage the workload and our growth, we decided to have one more FTE in this area, which we think is gonna be very responsive to a lot of the workload that we currently have. But it's also meeting some demand of some of you that have expressed an interest in having some support for some of your initiatives and ideas and projects and that you may have. If the support is not needed, I would still be recommending this position for the city's effort and programming and this would be under the deputy city manager's portfolio. So to follow that mayor and commission, I just feel we're part time we're part time commissioners and part time mayors there's a lot of initiatives and a lot of things that we want to do I think that our bandwidth doesn't allow a lot of that stuff to happen or it does or takes longer I'm just thinking and I want the commission's feedback on this if we have an allocated resource to the commission for projects If you guys would be interested. I mean I don't know Brian for example you you know You have a lot of things that you want to do things get caught up Vice-Maria you want to have your pet projects and all the things that we want to do It's always here and we have an away to execute a lot of these things and get things a lot more complete I thought that it was a good place to really start doing it. A lot of cities do that. Maybe the size of our city is kind of right in the middle there. Sometimes part time or part time staff or interns and all that stuff. But it's something that we should really talk, you know, really talk about and think about what the plans are individually for each commissioner mayor as they move forward. Okay, that's the manager. What's the cost of that FTE position that we're proposing? salary 55. Okay, and what's fully loaded? Brought 70. 70. 77. 77. Okay, so commission kayaking so you're talking about additional position. Yes. Okay, yes ma'am, we recognize. position. Yes ma'am we recognize. I don't have an issue with this position. I just think that before we start taking time from that particular position that we need to better understand what the relationship should be between us and the City Clerk's office. There are three staff members there. So we, before we take up somebody else's time, I think we need to understand what we should be doing and what resources we should be having from the city clerk because I think that there isn't clarity for us there. I don't think it's anybody's fault. I just think, like you say, we all just keep moving. And I don't think it's anybody's fault. I just think like you say we all just keep moving and I don't want to double up. I agree with Chip that you know if he feels that that's necessary have at it but I think before we double up on time that should be spent in one way we understand it. So I'll say this night I spoke with, I'll be before the election or maybe subsequently in a sunshine meeting, but I was always and at that time the deputy city clerk's position was in play. There was a vacancy there. That spot was filled prior to the previous election, but that should be part of the responsibilities. It is as the vice mayor mentioned, three people in that office, and that's a, if you look at the budget office, it includes a lot of other and sorry items such as advertising, but I always felt that that person could work half the time, specifically for that office, and then half the time assisting the commission as the vice mayor mentioned. We'd have to define that, hours per commissioner, right? And I know spoken with all of you about that. But to add another person, and then if we're at, and then if separate conversation, because I know this is sort of blended, we were talking about one position, but now potentially two positions. If we look at the budget, especially managed office or assistance, we recently brought on a marketing director. We recently brought in somebody who can help me quantify the same position. Samantha's number two position in terms of support staff. And then I'll always go back to, we have a commission here. That's our job. We have a city manager. We have a deputy city manager. Sure the city is growing and we're taking on more, but a very short period of time. We had a big spence for time, but $77,000 and it was just said to me yesterday in a meeting, it was only be part time. $77,000 to me does not sound part time. But- I don't think it's full time. It's full time, sir. Part time for it. Okay, so this is separate. It's maybe unconfusing the two conversations. It would remind me of the two positions. So I stand corrected. But yeah, we just took on a lot of staff. Resorting a lot very quickly. I know this ambitious commission, but the city hasn't experienced growth yet. Right? There's no heads and beds at sunset place or at fresh market. You're still a couple of years out, the fresh market project. The fresh market will open a year prior to the apartments. So again, our responsibility is city manager. The manager, we just hired two more people and support roles. Is it too much? Too soon. So yeah, that's my position. So I concur with what you said. I think this year, sobering that our growth rate was the third lowest in the county, right? Which is probably why I'm going to be supporting the managers recommendation on keeping the mill is rate flat. Because this budget does not have a lot of additional room in it. I don't think we can, the commission guy, even, why don't you agree that we could use the help? I don't think this budget could support it. And more importantly to me, and I'll touch on one of my items kind of incidentally here, is, you know, I'm still, there's nothing in this budget. You know, that it's baked into the revenue numbers and from my briefing with staff. I wanna have some more flexibility in this budget so we can actually see parking enforcement revenues drop off substantially because I think it's gonna improve the condition of the operating conditions in the commercial center. Because to me that's been a very long, huge value extraction exercise to the detriment of that area. So for that reason, I'm not certainly not supportive of the second position. I understand the need for the position that staff is suggesting. But again, my support for that would really be continued on seeing us really take a make a commitment to give something back to the town center. If not in terms of revenue reduction, say we're going to take a portion of those revenues and do something that's actually going to move the need. I think second Saturdays has been very positive and that it's more activity, but it's not something that's driving a lot of business into the businesses that are there. So I think if we can't take, if we're not can't stomach a couple hundred thousand dollars of revenue losses on the enforcement side, I'd like to see at least a hundred thousand dollars of marketing put back into trying to promote the businesses that are there. None of the restaurants are doing great. The best restaurant in town is probably going to be on the market if it's on the market already. I just see that if we've got to try to preserve and protect and maintain what's there, we hopefully grow and we see a much better future here in the next four to five years. Yeah, they have been. So I think we've got to acknowledge that reality. I think the operating environment that we've created with enforcement does not help It's not the reason those businesses are struggling But I feel like we are we pile on with an enforcement practice and You know, I would rather put revenue back into which would be the catalyst the driver for our local economy then frankly which would be the catalyst, the driver for our local economy, then frankly, communities would be to have someone that could delegate stuff to. It's just part of the pain. I think we all have this kind of suffer through the short term. So one more comment before. In the budget, this budget has been, and this question is for Alfredo, the budget that we've been speaking of, did you either flat line or decrease the parking enforcement revenue at all? With all the time that we had? It's flat, correct? Yeah. It's flat, but we've always seen an increase year or a year. Go. Correct. We maintained it flat. We're expecting a forecasting of greater amount of revenue. This fiscal year and. Yeah, apples apples what would what would have been that increase. If you would have forecasted kept the same. Exactly same forecast exactly as if we're operating the way we're operating right now we're probably at $810,000 versus $660. 805. So we're operating right now we're probably at $810,000 versus 660. 805. So we're going to see that. All right I'm not disagreeing with you guys. I'm just saying there is already a 200k allocation there that we're doing that. Yeah no I recognize that the forecast is not as aggressive as what the axles are showing, but I am, again, I looked at this issue with Alfredo's help. We all have, yeah. I mean, I think it's, I think, I'm going to be very harsh on the, I'm going to talk to Roe me about Ivalera who's doing the study. Every assumption's in bed, that's what I'm going to challenge and I'm telling you right now, because I can tell you from what I see, the amount of over-enforcement, particularly in the evenings and on the weekends is egregious. I'm not having to wear egregious, right? And so again, I think it may be that, and I'm not saying that we announce the change in the important policy, but I want to just have more flexibility. This budget has zero flexibility. You know, we're at $566,000 in terms of a surplus without contemplating increases in waste disposal, labor contracts, and a whole bunch of other items. So I just, again, I just want to, you know, there's, if there's one thing we can do today to help conditions there, it's either invest in marketing, the people that are there, or say we're going to basically take our foot off the pedal on the enforcement side to make the operating conditions better for the current businesses. Yes, ma'am? I just need clarification for one second, because I don't want to make sure I didn't misunderstand. So when you're saying you took the number from last budget year and you made it flat for this one and It's $200,000 less is that you already taking into account the possibilities of us doing evenings and whatever so you're not counting on that money? Yes Yeah. Mayor, if I could just please yeah. I was reminded in our current budget, we did this for a 52425. We do have 70K downtown activation if you recall. We have brought different ideas back then during that process of which we got repurposed into monies to spend within the downtown for activation of which I think maybe we're using some for second Saturdays, but that money was earmarked for that for purposes of promotion and doing things that could help the downtown center. So we currently do have 70K for downtown activation in our current budget. That could be allocated in towards marketing. FY24. Correct. Yeah. I didn't remember that. I was reminding by staff that that's in there. Maybe we need more, but I'm just saying that there is that pot of money and that was the action we've taken during the budget process last year. OK, Kim Shukai. So to add to that. So maybe it's not a position. But one of the things that we're, you know, I've talked to the city manager and economic development opportunities, right? So we don't have anything specific in our budgets that are doing that. We have a lot of cluster of different things that are moving towards that, but an allocated, allocated position. So we're going to have a meeting with the ROW because they set it up from the grounds up eight years ago. And it's, you see the economics, you see the analytics, you see everything really to do all that stuff for their city and it takes time to get there but you know whether whether it's an allocation to us to get that going or to an allocation to economic development maybe not this year but at least moving forward that it's it's it's done right. Yeah but so I think look I think let's let's do we want to as a do we want to keep this position in the budget? What's the consensus of the? Well, I mean, straw balls. No, that's fine. No, no, no, I think there's a second position. I don't know if there's support for second position. I'm sure. I think we're misunderstanding there's one position and a person would be split in two. Am I incorrect in that? So that person would support the commission as part of their duties in any way that the commission may need individually but it's not their core function at this point because I don't think that that workload is there potentially but the workload is on our side. So it would be part of their duties to support the commission. So it's one position has a dual role of supporting the manager and the members of this commission. After we decide and understand better which parts of our needs is covered by the city. So I think the problem, so the issue with it, let's be clear, right? The manager does not supervise the clerk's functions, right? So that's left of this board. So if there's something that we want the clerk's office to do that we're not getting today, we need to set with the parameters of that office support is going to be. So. But I agree with you, but I think at a starting point, we should understand historically what that office has done because I think right now we may not have that clarity. Okay. So as direction, I think the consensus, at least for me what I'm hearing is a second position not on the cards. We'll keep the current position in the budget as it's shown, right, Mr. Manager? And well, if we can ask Madam Clerk, if you can give us a sense of how your staffed, and what support you are offering to this body today through your office, and what gaps. So we can understand what gaps we foresee possibly being filled by some amount of the proposed FTEs time. May I mayor? Yes, go ahead. So we've done this exercise before, the three of us got elected. There's processes and procedures, there's job descriptions that were allocated from the clerk's office and from the assistant clerk's office on everything that they do. It's not that they can take on projects or do anything like that. They're full. So all the drop descriptions are there. Now we want to squeeze that into there. Those are the things that we can do. So can I instruct the clerk to go ahead and set and out to the job descriptions from the clerk's office and from the assistant clerk's office so that we all understand all the things that they're doing? Yes, but that's not what I'm asking. I understand that we see their job descriptions. I understand all of that. Historically that position that we're talking about has not existed and the city clerk's office has done certain things for the commissioners. Their job descriptions don't show that. So if we have a better understanding of historically the support that they have provided, I think everybody understands their job description and blah blah all of that I think something as simple as hey, we manage your calendar We set up your meet whatever it is if it's three items on that list then just give us those three items because I think then If that does exist if the answer is zero. Hey, we're doing zero for you, then that's fine. We know what we need to ask this additional person in whatever percentage of their time we get. But if the answer is we do seven things for you and we need 12, then that other person can. So I think the answer is that I'm clear if you can. I think circulating the job descriptions would not hurt. But if you can kind of memorialize what's formerly in their jobs and what you're doing informally support the commission, that would be helpful. Okay? Yes, sir. And Vice Mayor just brought up a little, it's two-challenge. Like, champion bringing a deputy city manager. We didn't even have a deputy city manager before. We had previously, but not during my term. So that was also a void. So we've added, and we've changed those responsibilities and even after championing that position, twice champion increasing the responsibilities of our previous deputy city manager. So maybe I just need some clarification or notification on what are some math that not are WC management, but those Samantha's responsibilities because I was told was constituent services. So community, yeah. But I was also told constituent services so this new position, where's the void that we need to fill? Okay, so I think let's do this because we'll discuss this all day. I think let's keep the position in the budget. I think Mr. Manager, if you can kind of articulate in a short half page memo, the gaps that you see that you're trying to fill, so that we can kind of be responsive to that concern and also then have the benefit of the clerk's scope of services, whether it's formal and formal being provided today, we can kind of make a decision on whether this is something that is necessary in terms of a support function just merely for you, or one that's a hybrid for both you and us. Okay. Just a clarification on Commissioner, the deputy manager really existed, but it had the label of a system city manager So the label change and became deputy so from a head count standpoint it was the same. It was just a title change So I just wanted to you know, I have no idea what it was referring to is when I was in the commission Created there was no deputy city manager was just was Dr. Marable plus zero Stephen Alexander plus zero and then we had it Stephen Alexander plus a deputy assistant, which became shari. There was no position. There was previous to me, I don't know. I don't know, years before. Yeah, so sorry. And listen, I'm on point with it. Obviously, we're very mindful of our proper growth and having an organization that's not bloated, that we actually needed. So that's why we carefully looked at and just came with the one at the right, because we think that the workload, the way it's growing and what's already upon us, if I didn't feel that we were going to put that personal work, I wouldn't bring it forward. And with that being mindful of a military that stays the same and not impacting our reserve. So we look at this across many ways, including some of the expenses that we still have and factored in. So I'm on board with the concerns and the picture and the short and long term. And that's why we just saw one FTE increase. Because we're investing heavily in the ones that are here already, right? We're making a heavy investment to make up for and be competitive and there's a heavy investment and heavy investment on the capital side for things that have come our way from our bridges and so we've tried to balance all that while maintaining the milled rate so I appreciate the support to give the resources that are needed to move the agenda along in a measured way as growth comes our way. Okay, so I think we beat that one to death. Surprisingly, Fourth of July had two comments. I think, you know, Commissioner Kaye, I got some similar comments from folks about the apparently brevity, the comparative brevity was a great event, first of all. The only negative comment I got was people felt the fireworks were a lot shorter this year than than years prior so I don't know if that was a Budget constraint that we had or whatnot. I don't know if that's the same concern you heard from folks to staff if you can you need to dress today But if you can kind of clarify whether What what the discrepancy may have been and if it's a if it's a resource allocation issue Just let us know so we can kind of consider it as we move forward with the budget what the discrepancy may have been and if it's a resource allocation issue, just let us know so we can kind of consider it as we move forward with the budget. Yes, sir? Was it shorter or not? I'd like to be able to answer that question. Yeah, yeah. There may be a reception, but maybe not, so maybe different from reality. Good afternoon again. It wasn't a budget constraint. This year, the contractor gave us a 10-minute show, which wasn't according to the contract at 15-minute show. Their invoice reflects a 10-minute show for this fiscal year. But in essence, they're required to give us a 15-minute show per our contract. And it was only 10. Okay. Sorry. And how would the cost, thank you for recognizing me? How do the cost compare for a drone show? Because I've seen some, I don't know if it's Miami Beach or where it was. They were very impressive, but maybe what I saw was a significant expense. I'll have to inquire on that. As an example, no tropical did a drone show. The Grove bid has as well before. So, like, Epcot Park, yeah. Yeah. I think it was a 30 minute show or something like that. I heard some very crazy numbers above $100,000 for the show, but I would like to do some more research to get back to you. I could tell you that back in 2011, you know, of 1711, I was going to keep it skiing and it was $150,000 for a 30-minute show. It would be exciting to do both. Fireworks for Jones, fireworks. Fireworks weren't really a- Oh, no, sorry. Yeah. I'm just curious about the price for Jones. And then it would be- I heard $1.44 a city of Miami, or it's a local. If we did something simultaneously where we shut the Jones out of the air with the fireworks. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Appreciate it. Okay. Two point to Rick. I have Lisa Corbin telling me that she needs a room. Just kidding, but she kind of does. Because we're set to 12. Secondly, back to the 4th of July show, one thing I wanted to look into is increasing the budget for fireworks to make it even longer than 15 minutes. So we continue to improve and get better. I just want best in class for our city. Secondly, one of the things that we don't do and offer, and this is to commission and speak about, I know Coral Gables does it and some other parks do it as well, the Celebacca Hall. I see a lot of people, you know, it's something that's family oriented. We saw alcohol at the second Saturdays. Is it something that we need to discuss to rev it there if we can to offset this thing? But it's something that's missing I mean feedback from a lot of the community is, you know, I'd like to have their beer. Sir. So to that point, I could speak about alcohol to the Othip, but I would like to have their beer. Sorry. So to that point, I could speak about alcohol because I've had these conversations with our city manager. We're really a parks director and the mayor. But what I was going to say in terms of the fire work budget, it's not about the money. It's what I wanted to be mindful that in previous years, anywhere based in this year, everyone was very happy with the fireworks. And I want you to be cognizant of this. We are still a small town feel. We can't handle any more capacity. We always have to be mindful of the number of people that are there. And then, oh yeah, the other thing is with all our efforts that everyone's doing, brand in, and Samantha W. C. Madrill, this marketing, it's going to build and build attendance and we're raising our brand. So we just have to be mindful that we can't accommodate any more people. And again, I want to keep our focus as a budget workshop. So I put the alcohol and the operations category. So I know it could have a budget nexus possibly in terms of revenue. I'm not sure I wanna be the alcohol sales business from the revenue profit center for the city. Operator. Operator. No, it would be a third party operator, but again, I would just, I would say that part of the conversation, if it's something we wanna explore, I don't know Mr. Manjure, what do you think would be an appropriate time to discuss the logistics of Fourth of July and or any enhancements, including alcoholic beverage service? Well, certainly based on the information provided by the director, it calls for immediate debrief given that, so we'll include that conversation with staff about it and come back with some ideas if that's the interest. Okay. Thank you. What's the pl-no, we probably did not. What's the pleasure? We've got still quite a list. What does it look like? I have a Parks Master Plan that you just want to see if we can leverage the same vendors at the direction to the manager that we used before. Or you're asking whether there's an necessity to do it and carry the cost. Relative to the budget, you have both. I mean have we visited that? Is it no longer relevant? Sir Park's director can you give us a sense of the timing and why you want to incur this park's master plan expense in the current fiscal year? So the vendor we used in the past was middle-aged. They're currently not on our rotation list, just so you're aware. The reason why I want to do the master plan this upcoming fiscal year because the renewals do in 2026. So I would imagine that is going to take at least a year to complete the plan. The complete of every comprehensive plan that's going to require several different meetings, chiroids, individual meetings between the consultant and you all one-on-one, etc. So I would like to get started on it early so that we're ready to go come at Y26. Sorry, the fact that Miller Lake isn't on the list, but that means we can't go back to them or If it's the will of the commission, we could put it out. We'd for bid and go through that process and see if they want to join us. But I do believe there are some qualified candidates on our current rotation. I don't want to just name one right now, but I think there's some candidates already on our rotation list. Depending on who we go with, I know one firm already uses Miller Leg as a sub consultant for some of their projects. When it involves parks, one, for example, is the parking lot vendor that we recently went with South Miami Park. They're using Miller Leg as a sub consultant on that particular project. So do you have to go through the main sub to go to that sub contractor for that? I have to use the price. So I think that so from a policy perspective do we want to use existing vendor lists or do we want to have a separate solicitation for this master plan? We can that's a question I can't decide. I'm not champion Miller League. I'm just championed to frame costs. So that's the only reason why. What's the prep? So, okay. You're fine. Okay, we can move on. Sidewalk improvements, maintenance. Did you have a comment beyond clarifying? Okay. South Miami Park bathrooms was on the list as well. Is it the preference of this board to have the manager explore acquisition options for one or two? Yeah. Bathroom facilities. Okay. So I think they're already doing that, man. Okay. So again, just to reaffirm that there was a mention of second Saturdays in the budget. Do you want to get a sense of what we're spending today? And which proposed we spend going forward for next fiscal? So no, sorry. Yeah, he said everything. It was just more of a sudden exercise. I'd like to know, what are we spending? Do we have a estimate as to what the actual cost of running a show are? And what the budget looks like for next year? Correct. And how much staff time that's consuming well I'm assuming that's factored into the budget, but it's not no, okay. I mean our own staff and sweat equity is like any other project Right, I mean it's a fixed costs and and how we allocate time, but From outside cost standpoint or rentals or do you want to get the sponsor? I just want to make mention of it. Yes, go ahead. I think it's important for us to keep in mind that we are adding things or enhancing events that we currently have. And while we do that, we need to take into account how many people are dedicated to that and what their life is looking like because of it. So when we're, and I, you know, I don't want to call out one person, but I see that Sunday, Monday, Friday night, Saturday, this night, that night. You know, so if we are going to continue to do these things, I think we need to either get her some support or figure out are we on the money with where we need to be with staffing help, we move people around, whatever. But when you see the one face every single time that has to be affecting her quality of life with her family. So obviously this is more than one person. I mean this particular event is really team-based and then we brought in the communications and marketing. We've got a community of fairs, our deputy manager. So there's a group of people and it's a hybrid because we do have an outside vendor who's the one coordinating directly with the vendors and that's what they do. And so, and from the outside, we have some partnership with John Edward and on the musical aspect and some of these. So it's a team approach of, you know, division of labor, if you will, right? But it's still a lot of time. And from the standpoint of the decision to move forward, we were going to start some of this back in November. If you remember, and some of the music festivals, and there were some issues with University of Miami and some of the partnerships, so that fell apart and we didn't want to wait a whole year to begin something, but to your point, it does take a lot of time, but we feel given the economic conditions and what's going on in our town center, we couldn't afford to wait another year. But it is a shared and we brought all hands on deck to help with that because of the reasons that you're saying. And we're seeing it across the board. Excuse me. Let's, again, we need to give the room up. I want to get out of here in 10 minutes, got a long list. So Mr. Director, what is the cost that we're spending? Yeah, total cost over annual basis for second Saturdays is roughly $78,000. That cost is broken down into stage, sound, and lighting. That's $42,000 for the year. Porta Poddies for the year is $12,000. Band in DJ for the year is $24,000, banned in DJ for the year is $24,000, $4,780, $40,000. So I think, you know, the point of this was to help animate the town center, create community, and hopefully have some direct benefit for businesses. And so I think it would be great, Mr. Bandergers, we kind of round out the fiscal year if we can kind of get an assessment from some of the businesses or whether they're seeing some sort of an economic benefit from us spending these dollars. Because I think we need to be kind of true to the original mission, which is not just create community, but also try to support the folks that are operating there today. And that's the part of this equation that I really don't understand. So if there's a way for us to kind of get some sort of an assessment on that point from the businesses, it would be helpful. We have not from a numerical standpoint, but we've engaged with the businesses as a debrief after the events and said, how did you see compared to other days? And we've had positive feedback from businesses saying they saw increase in traffic and some sales. Ebben flows, we have the one that rained, right? And they kind of cut that they short. So not to the degree of what you're talking about, we don't have numbers to support, like we haven't asked for sales data, but they have actually expressed that some of it has helped. Not everybody, because it's a very localized area. But so yeah, we've had positive feedback from that standpoint. OK. Go to the point where I was talking about economic development and getting analytics and start working as a city with our Commerce Center. That's just one point that I want to continue to work on as we move forward. No doubt, but I think that there are some very straightforward questions we could be answering as to whether spending $70,000 again. It's a great event. I thought the last one was particularly good. A lot of positive feedback. You saw people spill over and the sum of the, I think pub 52 probably had a good night that night. But do we, Boogie's had a great night. Do we, you know, is this money better spent? Just actually just promoting those businesses in their day and spending money, just marketing them. It's a question, right? And should it how it drives what traffic? It's just something to be aware of. I mean, again, the point here is to try, if it doesn't get the biggest bang for the buck, we evaluate, figure out do something else. And there's nothing wrong with, you know, changing direction here. I don't think it's an anyway, a reflection on, on a negative reflection what we're trying to do. But I just wanted to make sure we're asking those questions. So we see a treaty with the mission was originally. City Hall, I mentioned again, we'll talk about it offline. Anything else we want to quickly go through the list to have here? CIP funding, Commissioner Cory, you had asked, you had a thought on that. Yeah, I can do that off on this. Okay. Underline operations funding, Commissioner Coye. And cannot clean up. Would you want to put something included? No, right. I didn't see it anywhere. No, we have nothing in the budget with regard to supporting the operations of the island. And then we played, we feel we're gonna absorb with our current. Maybe this is not the year to do it. I think that breaking around at the end of the year, maybe it's the next year, so we can, we can can that. Yeah, I don't know what the direct maintenance cost for this footprint will be. I know the underlying did a system-wide calculation and broke it up by, guess you know linear feed or something front. We've got one linear mile in the city so it's yes but my point is that there may be elements in other parts that are more intensive from a maintenance and I don't want to necessarily you know subsidize that either so but yes to your point it's not there's nothing in the budget for it so I've merit discussion okay yeah annexation you had mentioned you wanted to see some dollars allocated to support that. We've had conversations we had a meeting yesterday. As a move so we do we need to allocate any money for the budget to make sure any fees any any I don't know all the cost of the city I didn't see any cost there so if we can analyze what the cost of the city is for annexation and you know if there's an opportunity start heading north as well what that would look like as well. Councillor Managers, are you carrying that as part of your manager's contingency or let's say you're funding it currently or the consult and I guess the only cost that we're carrying right now is the consultant who's carrying the application and I believe that's coming out of planning. Yeah, out of planning. Okay. And we are carrying a similar allocation for this purpose, go here. That could absorb that cost or. Could we have a specific line out? Yeah, I would have to give the exact number that we what we populated in planning. We have to look it up. What we populated. So we'll get some feedback on that. Make sure it's working. Yeah, you can talk about it look it up. We'll get some feedback on that. Other items here. Vice mayor. Further record the mayor has a worst handwriting in the world. I do thank you. I'm struggling to read my own handwriting. Did we cover your items? If we could get an update on the on demand service on our next Tuesday 530 meeting and somehow see where the 320 in reductions went in the budget, that would take me there. And I would suggest that maybe we dedicate some time during our next Tuesday early meeting to talk about what we're individually seeing in this budget that we want to talk about so that we at least have chances to sit together versus only sitting with the city manager and finance. I think it would make all of our suggestions better if we're able to discuss them with each other. Okay. But just again, I'd like to get at the next, at our next meeting if we can, an update on what's happening with respect to brokering health insurance. I think our plan year over year, this one, this most recent experience, probably less, speaking for myself, as my plan experienced, less a less rich plan that we had before that we're paying a lot I'm paying certainly a lot more out of pocket. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Is it that you're allocating to the budget on the actual on the actual person that we're contracting to do that for us? So increasing the budget there so we have better access. I don't, I don't, I just, so we went to a model last year and we hired a particular firm. I had some reservations about giving the size. I understand that we're evaluating a transition to another firm. It's something that's not happening, it's just not a contract. It's a commission-based model, apparently it's not coming to us for approval. But I think from my perspective, it's probably one of the more important benefits that we offer our employees. So I want to make sure that we are comfortable with the plan, or comfortable with who we're hiring to go out there and solicit quotes for us. I think the last decision we made, frankly, taking responsibility for it, did not play out as we had intended. So again, I just want to understand what's happening there. It's not an insignificant benefit. And then to just park staff and the manager on the pickle, ball, proposal for Dante Fussell Park, I have gotten a lot of concerns about from the residents of Parkside Villages, or Parkside Villages, I can't remember the name of the community that's just north of there. And one owner that lives right on the northwest corner of the park about this proposal, I don't know if we've done any outreach to them. I thought there was one pickleball court going into replaced hitting wall. So I miscommunicated to them what our plan was. I was not aware that it was lighting going in. They expressed me concerns about lighting specifically at that location. I know there have been concerns before with the lighting was introduced at Dante for the existing courts, but those courts are up against Mandelstam and not really near the single family homes. This pickleball court likely will be closed at least to one of those homes. So I think some outreach is kind of necessary there. The manager's aware of a conversation I had last weekend with a couple of the neighbors about it. So if we can do some outreach there and make them aware of some of the noise mitigation measures that we're implementing, I think it would kind of help, you know, hopefully turn on the temperature on some of the concerns at least I've heard yes sir. Just yeah quickly the the manager sorry the President of Homeland Association's a personal friend I can facilitate that for you I don't want to be involved in that conversation but yeah we we we know after 12 years and so yeah a huge demand for pickleball would all say about the lights. Here's the concern. I want to go 40 either way. But here's the concern is there's no spread with the lights. There is no light intrusion with the lights do. So there's other ways to cure this once the pickleball generates some noise. So what the lights do is they allow people to play after hours. So with my opinion, they may say it's lights, but the real concern. There's a lot of noise. There's a lot of noise. There's a lot of noise. There's a lot of noise. And then sorry, I just want to ask for some data assuming there's time from our finance director, Mr. River Hall. I think it would aid in the part of the commission that's interested in borrowing and annexation is to add the column for trash, for waste. And then the other thing, I'm just curious about, it's not necessarily relative to the budget. The percentage of homes that are homesteaded, and then the percentage of homes that are corporate owned as well. Because that's the true sense of community, full time residents. We're going to be adding a lot of the Trans-Year Traditional product, which is apartment, which will dilute that. So yeah, I'd like to know with this little condo product we have and single family homes. I know homestead is easy to find, but I don't know if we're able, just through a quick search, if we're able to find the percent that's corporate or it's corporate owned. That's not individual. So we three, individual homestead and then corporate. Is there a difference to you if it's corporate versus a rental? Like not? I mean, like a corporate house. I'm just curious just in terms of the community composition. Well, let's work on coming up with the best possible presentation of information we can. Okay. It may be difficult, Commissioner. Okay. We don't, there's no urgency. Okay. Okay. Seeing nothing else, we will consider this workshop adjourned. Thank you.