Good evening everyone. It is Thursday, July 18th and we are ready for our commission meeting. If we have members in the audience with the cell phone, please silence them so that we are able to get through this. Let's call the roll, please, Nikki. Yes. Vice- Mayor Bojanshi. Here. Commissioner Lee. Present. Commissioner Cory. Present. Commissioner Kaye. Here. Mayor Fernandez. The building we have a poem. Thank you. If we could stand for a moment of silence, please. Thank you. Commissioner Cory, can you lead us in the pledge, please? Absolutely. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, for nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. Should we start the presentations without him I think we should wait for him no. Should we wait for him to start our presentations? You want to do the approval of the minutes? Okay. Then let's do that. Can we do the approval of the minutes please? I need a motion. I move a motion. I'll second. Commissioner Coyote. Yes. Commissioner Corrie. Yes. Commissioner Lee-Midd. Yes. Vice-Noroniche. Yes. Minus Paz. 4-0. Perfect. Should we move on to the City Manager's report? Or do you want to do something else? What's it for both? There is two on your agenda. I think it's a good idea to move forward. I think it's a good idea to move forward. Perfect. Should we move on to the city manager's report or do you want to do something else? For both? There is too long to do. Shall we move to the city manager's report? I'm trying to think of what we could do while he's not here. He had to move forward. We could do the manager's report and then come back to the presentation. Yeah, but I think it'd be good for him to be there for that Well our deputy manager Hello South Miami Park new field light improvements the construction has been completed on that project the final field inspection was conducted June 28 so FPL released that job to the construction crews and it's expected to be done by July 26th. On the event side, we had several upcoming events. July 24th Park St. Rex is hosting a round Robin Pickleball tournament at Marshall Wilkinson Park. They'll be serving life by its refreshments for participants on that. Saturday, July 27th is our back to school splash bash. That's an end of the summer party. That is a resident only event. That'll be held at Murray Park. We have a workshop that was coordinated by Mayor Fernandez in collaboration with Transit Alliance. That's gonna be held at Miami Senior Plaza. At South Miami Senior Plaza, July 30th, from 10 to 11 at Metro South at 1pm and that's going to inform our active adults about upcoming changes that are related to the Better Bus Project and Metro Connect. Then we have an initiative that was championed by Commissioner Coyote, along with Commissioner Regalato, Bank of America is going to be hosting a financial literacy challenge. That's going to happen at the mobility building to July 23rd for seven to 12th graders and registration is currently open for that. The end of the manager's report. Thank you, colleagues. Any questions? No, I just wanted to compliment our WCV manager at another successful second Saturday, which was this past Saturday, right? Yeah, it was. It was. It was. The team worked really hard on it, so thank you. Colleagues for the questions or comments? Nope. Do we go back to presentations? We can, okay, so let's start with the presentations, please. If you can read the first one to the record madam clerk, thank you. Yes. E1, Dr. T. N. Sky Medical Director of South Army Children's Clinic. My name is foundation is out Water Fellowship Award recipient. Great. So Dr. Scott, once you come forward, please. I just want to take a quick moment to acknowledge you and this recent, this recent recognition by the Miami Foundation. If you could, would you mind sharing a bit about the fellowship? And this was a, this is an initiative on the part of the Miami Foundation to begin to address long-standing the ingracial disparities across Miami. I imagine that you were selected in part because of your work in the area of health disparities and trying to rectify those. So I just wanted to give you a chance to one, talk about your work, which we all greatly appreciate. Two, maybe share a bit about what you hope to accomplish with the fellowship and then we'll do a quick presentation where we'll honor you with a certificate. Okay, so thank you for inviting me this evening. So to be honest, I actually did not know anything about this fellowship and it sort of fell in my lap. My neighbor from across the street sits on a bunch of different boards and he heard about this particular fellowship and called me up and said, this is Taylor Mute for you and that's kind of how everything started. So you had to be nominated in order to apply for it, which I obviously got the nomination from him and then completed the application. The application basically talked about the work that I've done over the last 17 years. And it was really a wonderful opportunity for me because the funds are unrestricted. So it's $100,000 over the next two years. And with the Miami Foundation, the reason why they started this inaugural fellowship was basically to support leaders in the community, primarily leaders of color that are working in underserved areas of Miami. And really, you know, are struggling from a financial standpoint to continue the work that they're doing. And so they wanted to support leaders that have a track record, approve and track record of reducing racial inequities. And so I made it through the finalist rounds, and there were 25 finalists. And we had to interview in front of the panel, and then from there they chose 10 fellows from there. And I found out about a month ago that I was chosen as one of the 10 fellows. In my application, I talked about obviously the work that I've done in South Miami since 2007, basically to provide high quality health care to that particular neighborhood. And besides the health care, working to address the social determinants of health, because one of the things that I noticed when I first started at the clinic in 2007 is that it was really difficult for me to push forth my medical agenda when you had patients or patient families that were dealing with all of these other issues in the lives when medical was being unhoused or dealing with food insecurity or abuse in the home. And if I did not address those issues, then anything else that I was doing from a medical standpoint was basically not not gonna be successful. So that's kind of what I've been focused on is having resources to help these families and the partnership that we have with FIU with the Neighborhood Health Program help these families and the partnership that we have with FIU, with their neighborhood health program, has really been a wonderful collaboration for the last 10 years because they park their mobile fan in front of my clinic every Wednesday and they see the families, the parents and grandparents of the children that I see at the clinic and they also do home visits and they address all of those social determinants of health. So, you know, that's been great. I think for me personally, the reason why I really wanted to apply for this is to support the work that I'm already doing and to create additional avenues for access. As we've seen all over Miami, you know, housing is a major, major issue. So many of our residents are dealing with not being able to afford rent and being unhoused. And we've had residents that have had to leave the community but still want to stay in the medical home. And they've been seeing me for the last 10, 15 years. And I've had to do home visits on a limited basis just you know in my van and and meeting them where they are so I would love to expand that a little bit you know so that they don't have to change providers and I can still you know be able to to give these kids the same medical care that they've been receiving you know since I started at the clinic so amazing congratulations and you know I'll let my comments ask some questions or comments that they have receiving since I started at the clinic. So. Amazing. Congratulations. And thank you. You know, I'll let my comments, ask them questions or comments. Did they have any? But I would just like to put this question to you, which is, what can we do to support junior practice and in helping folks access additional services? I mean, 25 years ago, we would, when I worked at the CME Miami we worked very hard to use the Erniecom tax credit during the tax season as a vehicle for getting folks connected to dollars and then other services enrolled in food stamps or any other services they qualified for if there's an opportunity to kind of use your clinic as a community center to kind of bring some resources to those families as you're doing with FIU in a way that we can help as well support that work. I'd love to just learn more about it. I would actually love that and I can tell you that the food insecurity I have not seen on this level since I started at the clinic and these are families that were pretty secure you know early on and you know I've thought about you know how to help in that respect, even having a little pantry at the clinic, if I identify a family in need, that I would have some resources available for them. I think the other thing that I would love to do, and I did this actually before the pandemic hit, I won an award where I won $10,000. I healthcare heroes award and it was actually to teach kids how to swim at the pool that opened up. And then of course the pandemic hit and we couldn't do that. And what I did is that I funneled the money into a variety of things. So I had emergency funds for families that didn't have rent money or they needed food and that sort of thing. And I would kind of decide on an individual basis who would get that money. So I used the money for that. I also used the money for those kids during the pandemic that were at home and could not go to school in person and then didn't have the computers to do online learning. And the community center actually had, you know, actually had, like I guess like a program there for those kids and I gave money for that as well. So I think having like an emergency fund would be something that I would love to have, moving forward. Yeah. Well, I'm happy to put some time into raising some dollars and help you do that. So please let me know. Commissioner Kaye? I did all the mayor. Thank you so much for what you do in the community. I know we've been meeting the chat. Yes, I do. There's a lot of synergies that we're trying to do together. Yeah. You know, we just get a little bit too busy, but we need to make an emphasis to get together on that. There. A lot of different programs for the community. I'm trying to get it all together, so I would love to pick your brain, say, advisor, so with the mayor and anybody else. We would love to help you as much as we can. You know, my wife is also a FQAC type of facility. So we're always here for you, and let's just make sure we get together. And I'll say one last thing. I think probably, which I think it's across the board, adults and kids, the mental health crisis. And that's been huge. So I would say the majority of what I'm seeing now is that I mean, I'm seeing probably 80% mental health. So the kids will come in with one thing, but then when you delve a little bit deeper, it's actually anxiety or depression that's kind of triggering the physical symptoms. So the resources are stretched really thin here in Miami-Dade County and the weights to see a therapist or psychiatrist are like months long. So that would be another, yeah. Didn't also dimension. We just started a special needs board as well. So we're getting a lot more input from the community and make sure how we can work together. We're only as strong as the community. So we're really trying to get engaged with that. We have a lot of social marketing engagement from people, resources that we set up in this building. So we can do a much better job of communicating and getting together. It's a work in progress, but we've got to work together. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yes, thank you. So Dr. Scott first thank you and congratulations, but I just want to tell you sincerely I remember when I first started how revered you were no one was revered as much as you are in the city of South Miami and That's the same case today. You're you're a beacon in the city and South Miami's lucky to have you. And we really, we love and appreciate you. So it's been an honor. And so that's all I have to say. But thank you. Thank you. No, and thank you guys for your support too, because I could not do any of what I'm doing without the support from the city. So I'm very, very grateful for that and very blessed You know to be able to do the work that I'm doing so all right and I would just be remiss if I didn't also thank you and for Everything that you've done and I'm for bringing recognition and resources to the city And I personally witnessed all the things that you did during the pandemic while we're up here as well And I really appreciate all that. Can I add one one thing? So obviously that the thing was started to you know to see patients that were uninsured and I've transitioned that we're the majority of the patients are actually unmedicated. But obviously I had a previous life before this particular role and you know and I have patients you know that live in South Miami that have private insurance that want to come to the clinic. And I think the beauty of what we've been able to accomplish at the clinic is that we have different income levels. And these are patients on the higher end who have a choice and they could go to any pediatrician in here in Miami-Dade County. And they choose to come there. And to me, I mean, you rarely see something like that and so you can have somebody up here and then somebody coming in with no shoes on their feet and it all works. So the patients that are in the higher end have actually been some of my biggest advocates where they bring clothes and they bring shoes and all sorts of donations. And I think what we've created is something that's really special. So. Well congratulations. Again, thank you for again shining in a wonderful spotlight in our city. And if you come forward, we have a brief, a small certificate for you. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. That's the point. Yeah. If a clothing drive would help, because that's easy. Sure, why don't you go ahead and, would a clothing drive help? Yes, absolutely. Because what we do, we have a table outside of the clinic and we just put free, and anytime we get donations, we put everything there, and it's gone within, you know, within 24 hours. I'll bring you almost skinny clothes. Oh, that would be nice. That might advice me. If you were to set up this pantry, do you have a space with no one? So I can create this space. And obviously it would have to be non-parasibles. But yes. Could we do something targeted? I mean, you've got obviously a tight cohort of people that you're working with. Yeah. We could certainly reach out to farm share. Yeah, that would really make it. And rather than do something that's open to the public, just open to those families, focused on non-perishables, and so happy to help you coordinate that. And maybe we can get them to, if you can get together to get a list of how many families we can certainly reach out to them and try to do something that's targeted. I screen almost every single family that comes in regardless of whether they're coming in for which they will love Yeah, I want to make sure they're qualified. Yeah. Yeah, fantastic. No, that would be awesome lots to work on Dr. Skuddle so coordinating the city of vaccinations Yeah, oh, yeah, yes, yes with the pop up vaccine clinics. Yeah Well, thanks again, amazing work. Congratulations. Let's go forward. Take a quick picture. Yeah. Yeah, lots to work on there. So, Madam Clerk, if you can read on to please. Yes, the police just sent a report of a piece to see Chief at Hill. Chief, you're recognized. Good evening. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, commissioners. Just wanna present an opportunity that we capitalized on here. When I came, I wanted to make sure that we were being as transparent as possible, as also as trying to be as efficient as possible. So I had staff look into ways internally that we could become more efficient and transparent. Our communications manager, Lisa Corbin, brought forth police to citizen portal and it really connects citizens in our agency through convenient access to public information and agency online services. And just to give you some facts as you watch this video. In 2023, officers wrote 352 non-criminal information reports for citizens. In 2022, they wrote 283. The communications officers handled 212 security watch order requests and in 2023, I'm sorry, in 2022, 192. This user-friendly reporting option will allow more time for us to focus This is a report from the Department of Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and Health and the Department of Health and Health and the Department of P2C site. This site will allow the public to report certain types of offenses online without the need or assistance from a sworn or civilian member. The purpose of the site is to offer individuals a convenient way to file certain types of reports online. It will also reduce the amount of calls for service which will free up officers for more serious types of investigations. The following criteria is required to follow a report online. The incident must have occurred in the city of South Miami. The reporting person must be 18 years of age or older. A valid email address is required. The following types of reports will be accepted online. Thes valued at less than $2,500, vandalism or damage to property valued at less than $2,500 and lost property reports. Police to citizen connect citizens and agencies through convenient access to public information and agency online services. With P2C, citizens can search records, download reports, and submit non-emergency incident reports. User-friendly features provide citizens with self-service options that reduce foot traffic in the agency and workload on agency personnel. Some of the features include incident reporting. Citizens can submit non-emergency incident reports online anywhere, anytime, without visiting or calling, agency personnel. Easy access to information. Browse and search incident, recent arrest records, as well as trespass warnings, and CAD calls. Online submissions. Citizens can submit officer compliments or complaints, security watch requests, and file reports online. Daily Bulletin allows us to share our police blotter with our citizens and the public at large. Event mapping provides citizens with insight into what's happening in their area. Events are mapped to a block to avoid disclosing specific locations. P2C is mobile friendly and runs on desktops, tablets, and phones enabling citizens, anytime, anywhere. Any other questions? Colleagues, any questions? Give us your leave in the comments. Well, now I know how to keep my picture on the website when some out of office. But actually, what I would like you to do, I know it's not exactly germane, but today in the budget committee, where there weren't as many people watching, it was really excited to learn that we're going to add to motorcycle officers. So maybe after this presentation, if you would just announce that to the community, I think that's a great addition. Yes. I know but I want the chief. Yeah, so the idea is to add two motor units and present that in the budget and for it to be accepted in the budget in the coming year. Thank you. Councillor Corry. Chief, if we haven't already done it, maybe Brandon can help. It would be great to have this on the app to just another way for people since it's also a place where they're obviously reporting to the city. So we can act that, please. Yeah, okay. Yes sir, we'll definitely look at Brandon and Sam have been most helpful in putting not only the presentation together but to get this compiled on our webpage as well. And we're also going to be adding our general policies and procedures on the website as well so that any citizen can go on there and understand exactly what our policies and procedures are for law enforcement as we are creating them. Madam Vice Mayor. I don't know if this is so much a question for you as it is for city manager and our communications people. We're doing all of these really cool things. How are we informing the public other than social media? Are we going to send out a flyer? Are we going to mail something to people because if you're not like hip than social media? Are we going to send out a flyer? Are we going to mail something to people? Because if you're not like hip to social media, which a lot of our community may not be, it'd be nice to have a flyer or something to send them so that they can go and look. Yeah, we also use the newsletter as a means to update on things that are going on. Because you're right, not everybody's on there. So we're trying to populate in as many places as possible. Yeah, because it's great. Thank you. Yes, Commissioner Lieben. What about a welcome piece of mail when we have a new resident of Interfinabria? Yeah, I was going to actually mention that. If you didn't add it, I think I mentioned the manager passing recently though though, it would be nice to put together like a welcome packet. And at this point, we should probably just send it out to every household. We don't have that many households. So even at $10 a household, it wouldn't be the, it wouldn't say we wouldn't bust the budget per se. So we should talk about that further and see if we can figure that out for the next fiscal year. Just to kind of have a quick list of services and advise people some of the changes we've made I think would be a An a magnet with a non-emergency number and so forth Yeah, and we could add some promotional suffer if some of the vendors or restaurants wanted to add something You know downtown could they get out of promotional pieces well wouldn't hurt to support our businesses that way as well Not not from the welcome standpoint, but a little bit more to what commission Lee Lee just said we did prepare a door hanger that has key components of how to connect with the city that we're going to be providing that we're going to be distributing over time obviously it takes time but yeah you had mentioned the issue of a welcome packet that maybe we can put together. Great. Other questions? Thank you chief appreciate you. I just want to say thanks to Ms. Corbin for bringing this forward to us. Thank you. Thanks to her. Okay, Madam Clerk. I have three, please. Park, month, parking. Okay, so Mr. Dreyer, do you want to come forward? There you go, okay. He's able to see it in, so. Please don't sit down., apparently, apparently July is Parks and Recreation Month? Yes, indeed. You want to give us some of the background? For sure. Absolutely. I just want to say good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Madam Vice Mayor, members of the City Commission, City Manager. Yes, so July is National Parks and Recreation Month. And on behalf of Quinn, myself, and the rest of the team who joined us here today, we are extremely appreciative of this proclamation. So this year's National Parks and Recreation theme is where you belong, which really highlights how this department fosters a sense of community with the programs and amenities that we offer. So we're just extremely appreciative and happy about that. Some of the ways, I know some of them were mentioned earlier on, but some of the initiatives that we are driving are The pickleball tournament, which is on July 24th We also have we had a Ten-inch tournament on July 12th. We have a multitude of youth programs including volleyball clinics We had a baseball camp. We had Soccer clinics and then we also had a community set challenge. Like I said, we're just really happy to kind of make this a declaration. Colleagues, any comments or questions? Met advice bear? My neighborhood has gone pickleball crazy. Everywhere is a pickleball. No, no, no. They're everywhere. I tell you, I live by Brewer Park. I write off a Miller in 67 and we did that conversion of one of the handball courts or whatever it is to Pickleball and I have people that are always like, hey, when are we doing the other one? When are we, I'm like, what? And so, no, no, and that the kids, you see them all now riding bike with their Pickleball stuff. So it's I mean you guys nailed it with that one. Absolutely. That's my son. Yeah, no, it's everybody's son apparently. It's insane. It took me years. You know, we've seen a really good turnout at a lot of these free programs that we're offering. I mean we have a volleyball clinic today which filled the capacity. So there's like 35 people, individuals playing volleyball right now at the community center. So fantastic. Yeah, really happy about it. And I think go ahead, go ahead. Sir, you're recognized. Go ahead. I've never said this before, but I'm happy that Quinn's not here because we got a chance and the community got a chance to hear from you and everyone in your department shines. It's just an incredible department. Thank you, sir. Mr. Banscher. Thank you, Mayor. And certainly, I want to recognize, you know, our parking and recreation team. I mean, the amount of work that goes behind the scenes to make things happen is just incredible on a daily basis throughout the city at all hours, you know, weekends, nights. And so, you know, that's what makes a strong fabric of a community and that's the value added over community. So, you know, there are champions of that and I wanna thank them publicly. Thank you for recognizing this month. Obviously, we planted the day that Quinn's not here. Um, he's here in spirit. He was here earlier, it's okay. But thank you for recognizing the month, but really what you're doing is recognizing our team and the hard work that they in a day out. So I want to thank them publicly. Well, I'll just close by saying, you know, your department is definitely one of the ones that makes our little city special. And so we're grateful for all of you for your work, you know, from arts and culture, to working with the elderly, to working with children and adults. I mean, you touch the full range of the folks that in every socioeconomic group, every race, you touch every aspect, everyone in our city. And you also are ambassadors for a city with people who live outside of South Miami and use our facilities. So we are indebted for all the work you do and the fact that you make us all shine and look at every single day. So thank you. And I will, let's all, if you all won't come forward please, we'll take a picture together up here and present the proclamation. Thank you. I'll excuse that a minute. Can you guys squeeze? Squeeze like you like each other. Can you guys squeeze? Squeeze like you like each other. Squeeze. I'm here. I'm here about you. I love you. Where's your toy? Hi. Hey, let's go. Everybody look over here. One, two, three. I just want to say thank you again. We are extremely appreciative of all this. By the way excellent presentation on your part. Hold on. Okay Madam Clerk, I think we have an add-on item. Assistant General, if you can read into the record. Yes, a resolution of the City Commission of the City of Suffolving for the Calling for the City of Suffolving Special Election to be held on November 5th, 2024, for the purposes of submitting to the electorate and propose the amendment to section 2A of Article 5 elections of the city charter to increase the term of office for the office of city mayor to four years beginning with the 2026 sophomore general election providing for a notice of election providing for records. The language and charter member takes for submission to the electorate providing for the community. We have a motion to add. We have a motion by commissioner Coyne. Second by commissioner Liebman. Madam Clerk, if you could call the roll. Thank you. Is there any objection to the sign being added on to tonight's agenda? Colleagues. by Commissioner Lee minutes fine. Madam Clerk if you can quickly call the roll. Thank you. Yes. Commissioner Cigain. Yes. Commissioner Cori. Yes. Commissioner Lee men. Yes. Vice Mayor Bonnish. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. I have to be honest with the agenda. Thank you. Is there a motion to approve the minutes of June 18? We did it. Oh we did it. Sorry I missed it. Okay thank you. And the mandatory report. So we still have the city attorney's report outstanding correct, okay, mr. City Attorney you recognize I got nothing for you mayor It's great. Thank you Well then move on to public remarks and I have two names on the list starting with mr. Ward certainly recognized Good evening, sir. Sir Ward, before you start, I wanted to ask you if you could do us a favor. I know, again, I offered you my condolences before on the passing of Ms. Johnson, who was obviously integral part of the middle school community here. If you could, we'll give you some extra time. If you could just share a little bit of background and history on her. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. It'll give me great pleasure. Thank you sir. This lady, Ena Johnson and I worked together for 21 years as assistant principal at South Miami Junior High and she was going to retire in 1990 and I didn't have my 30 years in so I begged her to stay another year and she did. And then the next year, it was time. And I retired with her, and there were several, my wife particularly. I guess she didn't want me to be at home. She said, why are you retiring in our told-rah? I had promised Mr. Johnson one more year and I'd go with her. This lady has been active. I mean, we had such a good relationship with the city that you wouldn't believe. The region office left us alone because they knew if they pushed too hard on something that we objected to the community would be all over them. And that's a type of person she was. She got involved in the community even though she lived over town and she was a tremendous person. And it was, I found it out this morning and it was on TV later today out here. Now, I read this special election thing and I tell you, back in the 90s there were a couple of us that got together and we pushed and pushed and pushed to get this done and I'm so happy to see. I don't know why anybody would be punished for being mayor and having to run every two years. The rest of you run every four years, and that's the good thing. And then you have, I'll take a little comical attack here and you have Old Man Leedman. I mean, when you look at it, he's working with three people who have been up there less than two years people. It has been up there less than two years, and one person has been up there less than four years. Now, he's going to be lucky. He'll retire in November, I think it is. And he will then go back to be in Josh Leibman, rather than the old man. I think he's got 10 years in if I'm not mistaken. Is that right? 13, yeah. Anyway, he's got 10 years in if I'm not mistaken. Is that right? 13, yeah. Anyway, he's the old man. The other thing I wanted to address was the fact that the annexation issue that was put out for a vote, I tracked it the other day a couple of times and the last that I heard a couple of days ago, we had a big turnout. I think the yeses were 48 and the nose were 39 or something like that. And it's really sad, but I don't understand why former city manager told me we didn't have to have a vote because we had over half of the people signed to put it on to put it before you The first time we got 500 signatures Somehow our other city manager Alexander said he sent him to the county and the county said they never got them So we had to do it over again and this time we got 390 signatures and I know as well as you do the ballots were sent out a long time ago and if they hadn't voted by now they're not going to vote and it's sad because if I'm not mistaken it's not going to meet charter requirements and that's a shame because to meet charter requirements. And that's a shame because we put a lot of effort into that. And we did the same thing about 10 years ago. We couldn't even give the signatures in that time. They were so upset with somebody put it out to additional taxes. Well, you know, if you looked at the form you all sent out, most of the people that live in a house like mine, we were original house in 1974. And all of those houses didn't even get a tax increase. And then at the top of the letter it says, you can deduct 400 and something because your trash pick up is in the budget, and the counties is not et cetera. So we lost on that one. But I wish we would have been able to say, and I wish mayor that you would research it and see if it was possible That we could go forward and join this nice city Mr. Ward just by way of quick up today if you like one we had a Sunshine meeting commissioner guy and I with um The consultant and members of administration staff Regarding the annexation and the status of it um, I think by my recollection we had about 115 total votes had come in. I think it was 107, excuse me, it was just the nose were slightly ahead of the yeses. We have not done a great job of marketing that. We're going to bring a discussion item back. I believe on the next agenda to see if we extend the time period and maybe match tomorrow. There's some positive communication. I've gotten a lot of comments about what will my tax status be pre pre imposed. If you send out another ballot, tell them if it tell them to wake up and market today because tomorrow of me too light. That's correct sir. So we're going to put some more information and probably provide people an actual calculation as to what their costs would be under both scenarios. So we're still working on it. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome sir. Yeah please recognize her. Thanks. So Mayor if I can say I'm Mr. Award independent of any vote you're you're still South Miami you're you're still part of our city. So so thank you Mr. Jacobs you're recognized for next on the list Madam clerk are there any other names on the list any rolls? No, okay. Thank you Sorry, good evening I'd like to talk about the City Hall vote. Is it up? You have your microphone a little bit closer to your mouth. We can hear you. Thank you, sir. In the City Hall vote, it was determined that you were going to sell it no matter what, or lease it. There was no question about what was going to happen. It was gone. Sir, yeah, there's. Because you're unanimous. So just to be clear, with the ballot modification, the charter modification law is just to have explore either option. So I believe we are still awaiting returns of the proposals which are due tomorrow. And so we'll see what, if anything, we get from the market and what people's preference, the respondents' preferences would be with respect to leasing versus purchasing the property. Okay. Well it was a very poor turnout 13% of the people came out and if it was a real vote then what I didn't like was that you did it expedient because you had to hurry up because you're all unanimous. And that's my impression that you told me that I asked why are you hurrying it from December till March. There's another vote in August that could be, but you had to do it expedient because that's where the money was. I assume money is time and all that. So you got it done and you haven't told us anything though about what is going to, how long it's going to take and is there going to be a library somewhere else? Is the city all going to be located somewhere else? That's a question that I have. You didn't have to tell us anything. People aren't paying attention. 13% of the people voted. Why is that? I mean, you say outreach. You're going to do outreach. You don't do outreach for city hall, but you're going to do outreach for these little things. City hall is pretty important, but you were so determined to do it that you didn't need to do outreach on it. Is that right? I'm happy to answer. I'm happy to address. So let me just address your comments and you can continue. If you want to pause the time for him, sir. I think number one, why did we do it the time we did it? I think we all wanted to be able to run a process and try to see that process to conclusion. A March election, there was a presidential primary election. So we had a ballot that wouldn't cost the city any additional money. So it was an opportunity time to leverage that to put the question to the voters. I'll say that, you know, in past occasions, this commission in prior incarnations decided to move forward with a solicitation I'll say that, you know, in past occasions, this commission in prior incarnations decided to move forward with a solicitation or direct negotiations without asking the public for any authorization on any count. So yes, we went through the trouble of soliciting feedback about whether to give us to maximize our options, not just have to sell it. So again, I understand could we have done it on November about yes, but the thing is, certainly this commission would not have had the chance not just have to sell it. So again, I understand could we have done it on a November ballot? Yes, but the thing is certainly this commission would not have had the chance to see the process through. Now, in terms of what's going to come forward, I think honestly the answer is we don't know. We may get some responses tomorrow. We may get no responses tomorrow. And the responses we get as we evaluate them may not be acceptable to any of us or all of us here. So, you know, all I can say is continue to follow the conversation because it is a evolving process. Okay, so you don't know what's going to happen to the, yeah, there's no way to tell what's going to happen. The RFP expressed our preference to have a library on this site as well as City Hall. We have to have it all. We have to have it on this site. And contracts with the county, we cannot locate the library any further than a quarter mile from its current location. So that's under separate agreement which took us, I would have liked to have gone to the ballot earlier but took us a year to negotiate agreement with the county of the library. So all these things take time, so unfortunately. Okay. Did you want to add anything by way of comments? Sure. I was just going to say, in the interest of fairness, numbers can be spun any way you want. If we're being critical of 13%, I assume that number is based on total number registered voters. Yeah. Well, for almost 100 years, what decided the city and who sits up here was less than twice that? Less than twice of what? Less than twice the number of 13%. Less than a quarter of the registered voters would vote for 100 years to decide who's sat up here. So relative to that, I really don't see it as that little of a turnout. There's not only white people who could vote and all that, right? No, I think what he's saying is that for the prior, again, I think what you're trying to say is correct. The special election while it was a lower turnout than in August or in November ballot, admittedly, right? Still was a greater turnout than prior elections when we had in February which determined the composition of this body. I think that's what Commissioner Lieben is trying to say. But in any event. So, but but in even so in the city charter until 2022 it said you had to have 15% for a vote to be valid and it was taken out in 2022 I know I'm not aware of that provision or that modification. I don't remember voting on that provision in 2022 The lawyer told me that he gave us the new copy and he showed it. No, I think that was that I remember this conversation We had a Mr. Ward it was not a it, so Mr. C. Trayke, clarify, because I don't want this to be a continuous voice of confusion and Mr. Information. Sure, that section on the 15% is still in the charter, but as I had explained, actually Mr. Ward and I had very spirited conversations about that provision, that refers to referendum elections that are initiated by voters. So if you have a petition then you bring an either an initiative or a referendum to and you file the petition and you get it there, you only need I believe 10% of the electors. They want to make sure that enough people are voting on this. Yeah that's important. Correct but it's limited to those situations where voters bring an initiative or referendum. It's not applied to a city commission sponsor referendum or an initiative. That is correct. I think that's a distinction. Okay. I have one more question. Sir, go ahead. About the ballot issue, you want us to make it easier for you to borrow money. And I heard you're talking about $65 million. And I wonder why all of the development won't pay for it. All this, you know, is sunset place not paying their taxes? Did you give them a lower rate? No, no, sorry. I think I can. Because they're thinking, I know. Do we have, I don't know the comments? Or is that the last comment? I just I can. I think I can. Do we have, I don't know the comments, or is that the last comment? I just want to. Yeah, that's the last time. If it's a question, I think the, the why are we, sorry, what was the question again? Was it the question? No. Why do you want to change the power in our worrying rate? What, you're going to float alone on us and is it just the right? rate what you're going to float alone on us and is it just so I'll give you like yeah I understand so look here's here's my the way I read the charter is the charter is self-defeating right I don't think there's any government the world that should operate where the unanimous consent of the bodies required to take any action and the most pernicious part about the current provisions if today you wanted to adopt an initiative to raise $65 million to do projects in the city. And the voters approved it by a majority. This board, as I read the charter, if we don't act unanimously, won't be able to issue any debt pursuant to the authorization. So in effect, the voters could say we want this and this board could veto the voter voters. What's before everyone to consider in August 20th is a modification that says, if we want to borrow as a city, right? This board by majority vote can approve any debt issuance if it's been approved by the voters. Number one, if it is not been approved by the voters, then it requires four out of five votes by this council to issue or encumber the debt, right? Still a very high threshold if it's not voter approved. But if it's voter approved Simple majority can enter into a debt instrument to basically effectuate the will of the voters. That's what's on the ballot on August 20 Yeah, that's what's on the ballot Okay, so you're not asking us to borrow money. We may, there's a change. There is a, the first, yes, the change on August 20th is about the rules. To make it easier. I think to make it logical, it wouldn't say easier, because I don't think four out of five is easy under any, any, any, any, any, any, by any measure. And again, as you've seen, I'm not shy about going to the public and asking the voters to consider a proposition. We've done it twice in six months. We may do it another time before the calendar years out. It's not easy to do that, as you can imagine. So thirdly, there's an eye on today's agenda later on to consider the possibility of presenting a question to the voters to authorize a bond authorization up to $65 million. We still have to discuss that. I don't think it's by any means foregone conclusion that it's going to be approved. But it is on the item for discussion. It may end up on a November ballot, which this board agreed to limit ourselves to November ballots for such questions given that there are issues where we possibly are encumbering the city with debt for a significant period of time. Well, I hope you'll be real clear on what the money is for and not just say it's for 99 things and maybe this will get more and switch it around. I think you've got plenty of folks that share that concern, Mr. Jacobs on this board. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Madam Clerk, is there anyone online in public from works? If there's anyone online, please raise your virtual hand if you'd like to speak. I'll see you on. Seeing no one else, we will close public remarks at this time. We have some board and committee appointments. Madam Clerk, if you could read those quickly. Yes. Joseph, our provision has been appointed by Commissioner Call carried to the planning board for to your term ending July 18, 2026 and he's replacing some broader pursuers. I forgot to put that on there. So brought up a school has been appointed by commission call to the development review board for to your term ending July 18, 2026 and he's replacing lead immersive Smith. And Wendy Green has been appointed by Commissioner Calli to the Enneke of those these boards for her to her term in July 18, 2026. Thank you. That requires no action correct? Or does it? No. Okay. Thank you. Is there a motion on the consent agenda colleagues? Are there any items we want to pull for discussion? I don't have any. Okay, let me read before we read any items we want to pull for discussion. I'm sure leaving. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for your good. Yeah, okay. I think I'm good to. Thank you. Okay. Madam clerk, if you can read all four items and then I'll entertain a motion on items one through four please. Okay. A resolution of the mayor's city commission of this idea is suffering for the relating to fiscal year 2023-24 budget authorizing the budget transfer of $50,000 from line item zero one dash 1770 dash 519-1210 public works office of director full time salaries with the current balance of $170,000 to account number 0.01-1200. That's five, one, two, dash 4910, the city close legal advertising. Item two, the residents of Mayor City Commission of the city is not made for the relating to fiscal year 2023, 2024 budget. Authorizing budget transfer of $43,000 from line item item 001-1170-519-1210. Public Works Office of Director full-time salaries to line item number 001-1340-516-4634 information technology, division, subscriptions and licenses. Item 3, a resolution of the Mayor's City Commission for City of Southland, Florida, approving the purchase of an applicant tracking system solution from ADP in a amount not to exceed $5,877.60. Authorizing the city manager to negotiate an interim agreement for the applicant tracking system solution. Item four, a resolution of the city commission of the city of South Miami, Florida, approving the appointment of Justin Poin a to the pension board of trustees. Thank you. Is there emotional items one through four? Call Moves them. So motion by the vice mayor is there a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk if you can call the role on the consent agenda, please. Commissioner Coyne. Yes. Commissioner Coryne. Yes. Commissioner Leven. Yes. Commissioner Coring. Yes. Commissioner Lieben. Yes. Last night, Boardnish. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. That's a pass by zero. Thank you. So colleagues with your indulgence, I'd like to take up, I think we have one applicant that's present this evening. If we can take up item seven, unless I'm missing someone else in the audience on any sort of other public hearing item. I don't think I see anyone else in there item. So if we can take up item seven, Madam Clerk. Yes. If you can read the record and then I guess, Mr. C. Attorney, if you can read the appropriate warning, I'd appreciate it. Okay. Item seven, every official emergency commission of the City of Southland Florida approving slash the nine, especially used application for one to section 20-8.9 of the city of Southland-Milane Development Code for a large-scale development project for a skilled nursing facility on approximately 0.8 acres properly located 7040 South Place 61 Avenue and 71 or 9 South Place 61 Court. Thank you. Is there a city attorney if you can read the disclosures, please? Thank you, Mayor. Item number seven on this evening City Commission meeting agenda is quasi-judicial in nature. The clerk has read the title of the resolution prior to the public hearing. The public hearing will include presentations by staff and the applicant and public comment. The commission may ask any questions either before or after public comment is closed. Following public comment, the commission can deliberate on the resolution. The quality of the additional procedures require this commission to consider the evidence presented to it and base your decision on the applicable law and primarily on the evidence presented whether by the applicant staff or members of the public. The staff report and the resolution provide the applicable law and criteria for approval. In this case, primarily section 20-8.9 for large scale approvals in the TSD district and site plan criteria in sections 20-3.1, 20-3.3, 20-4.4, 20-4.5, and all of the TSDD regulations in Article 8 of the Land Development Code. The evidence considered must be substantial compure evidence. This means testimony or evidence based on personal observation or relevant expert testimony that a reasonable mind would accept as adequate support of conclusion. It is not a popularity contest that cannot be based solely on none expert opinions no matter how fervent those opinions might be. Anyone who wishes to speak on an item should be given an opportunity to speak during the public comment portion of the hearing. If you intend to provide testimony as to any of the applications considered tonight you will be sworn in before your testimony is taken. Please know if you speak you may be subject to cross examination. If you refuse to be cross-examiner or be sworn, your testimony will be considered in that context and given its due weight. The general public will not be promoted to cross-examined witnesses, but the public may request the commission to direct questions on their behalf to either staff or the applicant. At this time, anyone who wishes to speak should be sworn in. I'd ask that you please stand and raise your right hand. You intend to speak? Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Thank you. Thank you. Madam Clerk, can you confirm compliance with the advertising notice requirements for these hearings? Yes. Great, thank you. And may I advice Mayor Commissioners if any of you had any ex-partaic communications with the applicant or any member of the public? No. No. Thank you. Is there a staff presentation? Yes sir, please come forward. Good evening. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor and commissioners. I'm Alex Davider with Calvin Jardinone Associates and I was the consultant who reviewed this project. Again, it's for a skilled nursing facility located at 7040, a Southwest 61st Avenue and 70109, 61st Court. The applicant is 7040 sunset asset. The recommendation is approval of the special exception for this large scale development. There are a number of conditions, 24, and there are very standard conditions except for number 12, which would require a restrictive covenant for the perpetual maintenance of the public plaza on 61st Court. So that's basically the only condition that's different from the standard ones. So just to give you a little history, this project was before commission on December 7, 2021. It was previously approved for the same number of beds 180. But in that case, it was seven going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm the planning board and then to this board. So before you today is now a six story building. Again, 180 beds, 1310 square feet of retail space and 114 parking spaces. And including in this application is 18 bicycle spaces. So with this project, they're asking for two bonus floors. One is for developing a full frontage with street design as part of the pedestrian walkway and the second bonus floor request is for the cross through from joining streets from 61st court to 61st Avenue. Mr. David, can you illustrate those elements on their diagrams just as I want to be sure I'm clear? What's wrong? The bonus elements. So is the the colonnade part of the bonus element? They're going in the right direction. Yes. Whatever it's called. So this is the, I'm sorry. OK, I'm sorry. So this is the front edge here and the design, the front edge is here and then the past here. Do we have a mobile microphone for him? Yeah, I just want to give you the chance so it's in the record. You don't have it here. Use my microphone here. So thank you. So now I can. It's a little, okay. The design, the street frontage design, so that's part of the request. They have to provide that for the one bonus floor and then the pass through from 60 first avenue to 61st court. So that those are the two requests which would allow them to have the bonus floor. So good question for you. Sorry Mayor. So there's a bonus for having a drive through. So he's got, so it's the, it's a Paseo element here that's on the, on the northern part of the site. I guess that's north on the south end. Okay. This is east west. This is east west, yes. So, but the Paseo was on the northern end of the block. On the site, correct. Yeah. Okay. No. No, on the southern side. On the southern side. Thank you for Mr. Font and the audience. Clarify. And the arcade is that's prescribed for all the ours. Okay. That's one of the four criteria for funds. Okay. So I don't know. I just want to thank you. I appreciate that. But we have an editorial mid presentation. I, I, as we're talking about these LDR revisions that we're working on, I'm not a huge fan of forcing the arcade. I'd like to see it makes a building feel bulkier to me on the street frontage. So that's something that we could, with staff's help, re-evaluate, scabura, it's not my favorite architectural element in many of our buildings here in South Miami. Yes, you can. And it's not safe. Not safe. Sorry, continue. I didn't mean to. No problem. Okay. So I basically describe the project and the request for two, the two bonus floors. On your future land use map, this property is designated transit supportive land use so it meets, it's consistent with that and the zoning of transit supportive development district MU5. Again, this is an allowable use that the code was changed in April of 22 to allow skilled nursing facilities within this district. So again, this is a permitted use. Basically this project also meets the requirements for the special exception in your code and also all other requirements. So they're good to go from the staff review standpoint and also just to wrap this up on June 11th of this year, two plus months ago, the planning board recommended 6 to 0 in favor of the site. Thank you. Questions, colleagues, for the staff. Thank you. Questions colleagues of the staff? Yes, Madam Vice Mayor, recognize. I actually have a comment and a question. Comment, this is not the first time we mentioned that we don't want the arcade by my number. I think I've read number three, three times we've mentioned this now, because they're unsightly and unsafe. Not that it has anything to do with you guys. I'm just citing what we have now, I feel mentioned various times. And number two, the pass through is that between the building and the other building or between the building and the mason's. It's streets of street. It's so sweet. Yeah, but which side is it's in the building. It's part of the buildings, what birds do they see the site plan? Yes, but the pass through that goes street to street which side of the building is it on? It's on the it's on the it's on the sound side. So between them and Metro cell. Yes, you may. You recognize Mr. Mayor. Good evening. Mr. Mayor members of the commission. My name is in S Mavero. I'm the attorney for the applicant. Officers at 701 Brickle Avenue. I am joined this evening. Sorry, I had questions. So, Commissioner, I will bring you back up. I just wanted to, vice-mere question answer. Don't worry. Yes. So the cross-situ is east-west. It starts next to the lodge and then is parallel to the building along our property line to 61st Court. OK, perfect. I was trying to orientst court. Okay, perfect. That I was trying to orient where that passed through would be. Commissioner Leibin. Sorry, thank you. Just a question. This was formerly Cal Rosenbaum's property. One of his Cal Rosenbaum's properties, yes. Okay, so, and sorry. I'm head start, no one regarded, I go to for this the first time, but I'm maybe a little more gray than the rest of the commission in terms of my understanding. So I just need a little fact sheet just to bottom line me. What's changed from the original application till now? Okay. And then tell me the benefit to the city. So the change is it's one floor lower And so the the footprint has changed The lot coverage has Because you so you confuse me by saying two bonus floors, but it's actually one two bonus floors, but it's actually one floor less. The code requires me out the floor. So they're asking for the two bonus floors to get them up to this side. So one less than originally proposed. Correct. But less open space, less green space. A lot coverage by more dense. So it's a less open space, 15 times square feet of open space, 15 times square feet of open space, less. The parking is a, the code has changed. So initially they had, I'm sorry, the requirement was 239 and now it is 95. And actually they're, I'm sorry, they're providing a little bit more parking. It was 106 previously in 114 now. But the big difference is they asked for three additional bonus floors previously and now it's two. OK, so it's more dense and a bit more lot coverage. On a percentage basis, what's the total versus what was approved before? I'm sorry. On a percentage basis, what was the original lot coverage and what is it proposed? The plans I have the plans, but I mean basically I mean I have to look at the plans. I think it's awesome. I would not. They did it. Mr. David, while you're working on that answer, I think there's, I hear some murmurings from my colleagues. Questions regarding why we've incorporated a Paseo here? Are there, can you just help us understand the options for achieving bonuses under the district? Back then. So in the background maybe if you can elaborate on why this particular Element was incorporated Colleagues that I heard that question on both sides so Yes, so the I don't know where to start. I guess with I'll start with through the chair through the mr. Mayor to commissioner I leave on his question why has Has the green space been reduced? Is because the way that we achieved the third bonus floor with a previous project was that we needed to provide a bigger public area of plaza. It's in the code. Now it was one of the ways to achieve the bonus. So the story of the project is that it got approved under a previous code. We didn't, we had to come before this commission and obtain a parking variance. The code was amended. And when we went to do our design, it turned out that we had some, besides, you know, trying to make the project more economically efficient and whatnot, we ran into an issue of an encroachment with the lodge. They're building their roof somewhat encroaches on our property. We reached out to them and we have a cordial relationship with them and had several communications, but they were not going to touch their buildings. In all building, they use it, they meet there, and they say, you guys go solve it on your project. So we have to go back to the drawing board redis on our project and by the time we came back to the city with our revisions your code does not provide a minor modification criteria. It does but we exceeded that so we have to file for a new approval. So what is before you is now, essentially, the same building, except now we have one less floor, and we don't need a parking variance. It's the same number of beds, same arctic. Have your front with bare-front is here to go through those. Same intensity, same traffic impacts, arguably less, because there's less cars. The reason we have those design criteria is because to achieve those two additional bonus floors, we need to, number one, is to develop a full frontage with the street design as part of the pedestrian walkway system. So that's 61st Avenue. With the arcade we have to develop it have active frontage so there's retail facing that street Which will make it safer right ice on the street if you have active you know Ground floor retail, but also we have to produce is on that first floor and we have to provide The arcade because it's also a design requirement of your code. The second requirement to achieve that second bonus floor was to include a cross-through from an adjoining street to a public open space as part of the pedestrian walkway system on the owner's property. And that is that path that connects 61st Court to 61st Avenue. And in fact, in this area, this property, while it's, first of all, very important, this is going to be a for-profit operation owned by a for-profit company. And they will go and get their licenses, whatnot, not affiliated to a Larkin, but it's gonna be located next to hospitals, right? And right now, two hospital facilities, the staff instead of having to walk around the block, they will be able to connect from the cancer center to the hospital through our property, because it'll be an open area. So it creates that pedestrian, pardon me? And seating, that pedestrian connectivity and also from the metro station. It's part of our project. We wanted to be safe. We had the same conversation actually when the project was before the planning board and the commission. It's first iteration concerns about safety and it's a concern for us, it's the operator. It is our responsibility that it's safe, not only for the public, but for our staff and our visitors. I know that is responsive to your question. So the users permit it. We are here because the project exceeds 40,000 square feet. So your code requires that we get a large scale development approval and then we'll do a development agreement like we've done with all these other big projects that have come before you and we are in agreement with all of the conditions of the approval. And you know, there's other differences in the project that make it better for the community. For example, the massing of the building before was very solid, and some of the interior rooms did not have windows. And so we've now created a eye-shaped corridor of the core, where all the rooms will have windows. And so a lot of other benefits to the actual programming in the facility to the design. Yes, Commissioner Lieben. So thank you. Three quick things. Just for the commission, one from 88% based on colleagues math from 88% to a lot coverage to 93%. It's one item. Second, well actually four item. Second, I'm going to point on to support it. Third, I mean, three-tail may not do well now, but there's potentially a lot of residential coming down the pike, at least it's approved. And other interest in projects in the immediate area. other interest in projects in the immediate area. The last thing is, I just wanted to include a condition. It's amenable to you that the pastor is open to the public. Yes, I believe it has to be. It has to be. Okay. Under the code, yes. Yes, you reach out. Okay, make it a condition. Okay, thank you. Further questions? Thank you. Is the commoner question? Okay, thank you. Further questions? Thank you. Is it a commoner question? Is it a question? You recognize, please, go ahead. I understand the pass through element. I don't think it's quite safe, but I understand, but I wonder if there can be hours where that is closed. That certainly cannot be safely at night. I, that neighborhood has had issues with homeless people sleeping in the parking lots, people homeless people all over the place there. And so I think that in the interest of them as owners of the building we may want to have hours where those gates are open and hours when they're closed just from a safety perspective. If it was up to me I would say don't have it because I think we're inviting trouble. I think we can limit it to during business hours. You know, we're during daylight hours or during some some limitation. It's up to this board, you know, this commission. Do the mayor know what they'd like to do? So we will have security. It's a 24 hour facility. Remember there's there's staff 24 hours a day unlike in office that closes down and it's empty. We have residents, not residents, patients, but they're there 24 hours and the staff. We have three shifts coming in and out. So we will ensure that it is safe. I'm worried about your safety, not safety of somebody else. In your safety and your ability of the community, including the staff and the visitors and everybody in that area. And always activation improves safety. Once there's people there, I'm looking at the facade and I'm not understanding it. Again, I'm not studying this application with any real rigor. Looking at the elevation, there seem to be on the west elevation roll-up doors, roll-up garage doors, which I'm assuming is more or less where your exit drive is correct? No? Can we have? And I'm trying to understand. I'm trying to understand I want to understand factually a couple things. That was added because your code requires loading so we needed to incorporate a loading birth to service the facility. And so the rolling door as I recall is for the loading birth. The entrance is coming to the south, closer to... Okay, so I just wanna, I'm trying to understand that. So the loading door that's shown on the west elevation is for the, and I guess I'm just trying to round with the site plan I am. That explains it. So the loading door's not co-located near the drive aisle or the paseo, correct? So the loading door's in co-located near the drive aisle or the paseo. Correct. So the loading door is in the upper left corner. OK. Got it. OK. The drive aisle condition is open. So it's a. Hi. Have your front. The air front part is 45, 33, 3, 4, and so on. Boulevard. Obviously, the parking picks for the project. So this would be our drive drive and we put our main lobby entrance right into the drive. It's one way street. So, anybody who comes into the facility to go park or to drop them, they all have to come through here and throw it up on main lobby and obviously we have 44 hours service, as was mentioned. So, the idea is this is a vehicular drive, you can come through Park, you've got an ambulance space and a couple of cannecath park and spaces and then that sort of runs parallel with our sail. So we've got a nice outdoor area for you know patients who can come down a lot of time, you can't see it or the yard stop come at lunch. So the idea is that this is all our pedestrian and very good traffic here. And everybody who comes in sort of walks forward drives by the front door of the server. And access on the speed ramp to the garage is that gate secure or is that open? I'll ask you. It'll probably be open. OK. Gas will also be used using that same ramp. And then the loading nodes that you're looking at will appear, which sort of confirms the way from that entrance possible. On the arcades, I'm seeing a dimension of it looks like 14 feet in height and roughly 9 feet in width or depth, is that correct? Yeah, 90 plus another. Okay. The level above it, is it activated on both side with uses? Yes, so. Okay. What is the thing that we did in the building is that the part is 100% stream, right? So if you go to the second floor, it got it. Let me just, let me ask you this question, I'm trying to understand the benefit to us of authorizing these arcades in the code. I'm going to speculate one of the benefits for the applicant to take advantage of that bonus is that it makes sure, in this case, you're parking foot very rational, right? Very efficient. Even with a lighter uses. So one of the difficult aspects of this project was the park. Okay. And one of the things we did was we were having a very tough time making the number one quick-and-fixing park. So we brought the park to you up. We didn't line all the boards. So there's no parking visible from any street from this. But it was very tough. But the effect, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the or a walkway, right? So your grandfather is going to come in no matter what, because you want to have a pedestrian area there. We're not the biggest fans of arcade either, but it is required by the code. And if we do it, we get a bonus. So obviously, if it was not available, I'm just going to ask you, Harvey, what would be the effect on the design? So we understand what the impact of that would be on a project like this. So if we removed, if there was no arcade bonus available to you and you had to rework the parking. I'm assuming your parking footprint would get narrower or you would move the usable square footage to an upper floor. So on the ground floor we would probably leave some pedestrian area, as I said. Correct. On the second floor we would probably can we lever over that in order to get as big a footprint as possible. So the arcade does help you with that. It pushes you to the property line, right? It recesses you on the ground floor, so it makes it a little more difficult on the ground floor, but then when you build over it on the upper levels, it makes it a little bit easier. The issue with the arcade is that when you get these, the code requires a continuous arcade, which means by entire front property line, right? Which we argued on this project is, you know, we've got two street fronts, we're giving you two floor arcades, you should give us two floors, we're doing it twice, right? But obviously, they stopped in agreement with that. But if you could do 50% of your frontage as an arcade and 50% a little more open with some canopies, there may be push the building back, I think it would create a lot more diversity in your architecture. It's the problem that you require 100% arcade is what kills a lot of these buildings and it kills the perception off the street. Thank you so much. Great. So. Can you explain the the Paseo condition is open? It's not, there's no there's no shear wall. What's the rationale for doing that as opposed to actually having a hard wall on the southern property line there? Well the idea is there's a building adjacent to us anyway so the idea is to landscape it as well as possible and to keep it as open as possible right. The more view we can have into that, but say, oh, the better. We wanna keep it, you know, eyes on the street and that's sort of why we've done the retail down here, why we've done the offices right above that and we've done, you know, our lobby and our ground floor offices here and then offices on the second floor on this side. You know, we wanna make sure that a lot of people are watching. Who's coming? Who's going and keeping the place safe? And just a staff, can you explain to me how the Paseo bonus works in this case and the open plaza requirement and what the minimum requirements are for that plaza? We're no longer asking for the open plaza requirement. Okay. Since we've brought the building down a floor, that requirement is not necessary. Got it. Okay. So the Paseo bonus, how does that work? You're just providing the connected path? I'm going to read out of the code. Okay. So maybe I'm hopefully that helps. It's in the report. So for developing cross-throughs from an adjoining street to a public open space as part of the public pedestrian walk street. So can you repeat that one more time? I'm sorry Mr. Sorry can you repeat that one more time my apologies. For developing cross-throughs from an adjoining street to a public open space as part of the public pedestrian walkway system on owners property maintenance required in section 20-8.15. That statement allows them to go and ask for the bonus one additional floor. Okay, and to council, what is the term open public plaza space defined or? public plaza space defined or There's no separate definition for that space. Let's see Sorry plaza opens the public means a privately owned parcel land, but that's very plaza As opposed to this cross through yeah, but it's but the cross who has the connect the way I the way I heard that is it's got to connect from a Street to a publicly open plaza, correct? Correct. But in this, no, no. Please repeat the standard one more time because there's a lot of sidebar conversations happening. So for developing cross-throughs from an adjoining street to a public open space as part of the public pedestrian walk system and owners on a party. Okay, so pause right there. If we had a condition that it was only connecting street to street, it would not satisfy the bonus criteria. Well, in this bonus requirement, in this statement, there is no size requirement. There is another bonus bonus that allows, you can add another floor if you provide a public plaza minimum of 5,000 square feet. That's another bonus. Understood. You have four bonus allowances in your code. So they're requesting the cross-through and the public open space which doesn't have a minimum requirement. And are there any design standards for it? And again I'll get to why I'm asking all these questions here very quickly. I don't want to make you guys nervous over there, okay? But anyhow. Are there any design criteria associated with that public open space? No, okay. So again, I don't, you know, my intention is to vote for this project because it was approved once before. But I think I wanted to highlight those issues because I think this standard and these bonuses are woefully deficient in terms of articulating the kind of public spaces that we want and should be getting for giving people the digital floor area. And so to staff, what I would ask is that we kind of prioritize working on this and this arcade requirement. I don't know that we're necessarily creating the best urban condition here. Again, I know if I say architect that you're doing ratchely, I think this works really well for the project. I just wonder on the public side where it works really well for the city. And so I just want to make sure that we put a focus on revisiting these standards a little bit more carefully. Again, I just look at the site plan. I'm not enamored with the idea that the public opens place or the public open plaza. The feature element is the generator and or utility element. It really does not kind of really speak to me as a space of inspiration. Honor does necessarily want to invite me to walk through that expanse since it's going to look pretty much like a dead space. And again, I don't mean that as a criticism of the architectural fan of, you know, so this is really our fault for not articulating a better standard. And so for future projects, I just want to make sure that we're a bit more robust in what we require. Right. And I have to agree with you. I mean, these standards have been in place for quite a while and I've heard as a consultant here that there are issues with these and they could always be tweaked to whatever to you know get you to where you really want to be. Yeah and for staff if you can communicate I think this board's I don't want to speak for all of us if you disagree please preferences to the planning board. Certainly I have a chance to speak to some more. I mean, it's surprising to me that our appointees on those boards aren't raising these same issues because I would expect that they would be highlighting some of these things to us as well. But I think that we just need to be a bit more rigorous in demanding a better design execution in exchange for these benefits. But again, we're talking about a project that's been vetted now twice, and in fairness to the applicant, I don't think it's fair to hold them up on this any longer. Yeah. Mr. Coyote, you're recognized. Thank you, Mayor. Sorry. From a design requirements perspective, from a landscape plan, I know it's not really part of this particular process, or is that pretty much ironed out on landscape plan? I could start from our side. We have consummated a landscape plan as part of Calvin Giordano's review. We have a landscape architect reviewing those the plans. And I know there was some back and forth, and then they both, landscape architects came to an agreement, and my landscape architects' comments were satisfied. Which one? I don't have, I have in my computer, which is in my car, you have. Okay. And also as part of this, there's payment for tree mitigation too, so there's some fees generated by the removal of trees. So the applicant has to provide certain canopy. While you're looking that up, can you talk about what you have currently on the plan from a landscape plan? What tree structures you have there on both both avenues? So that that that type plan is not reflective with the trees there? I think again, just since we have a couple seconds here, I think part of the feedback we've gotten from folks as they see buildings coming up is that they, they're not very tall, but they're real, very massive. And I think that's one of the concerns, I think probably Commissioner Leibman wasn't alluding to with the increase in the law coverage. It leaves very little space for light and air to get to the ground. I think, you know, generally having work with these folks now for the better part of a year and a half, I think we'd like to see the building footprint shrink. So to staff, as we're looking at our standards through this rewrite, you know, if we can kind of cap the maximum lock average, something well below 90%. I think it's would be the preference of this board. And, you know, frankly, a little bit more height and opening light in the air on the ground here. I think that we appreciate taking the building down a story but I'd rather see the building not look quite as imposing on the street, look a little slimmer as opposed to what we've been getting. And it's not just this building, it's just the type of architecture we're seeing across the city generally. Fair comment? Yes, I concur, that's 100%. I prefer Higher with List and city and if I could be so bold maybe that's one of your bonuses, right? We're stuck with four bonuses here and your bonuses are very strict and a lot of times They force us into a design that we would not want to do but if you know if you said okay maximum FAR or maximum lock ovens If you said, okay, maximum lock coverage is 90%, but if you go to 85, we'll get you an extra floor. That would definitely benefit the architect and I think would benefit the city as well. So we're happy to sit with staff and give them our opinion on the whole. We would appreciate that. What other bonuses you might look at that. We would appreciate that. What other bonuses you might look at that. Yeah. Just since I'm a consultant in many cities, every code is different, but we can actually help the city look at some other codes possibly to get some ideas to get you where you want to be. Okay. Thank you. Further questions or comments? Yes, the Mr. City questions or comments? Yes, it was received attorney had something you want to add? Sure, just two small things. Number one, the TSDD regulations are being rehauled. Correct. So I'm communicating all of your comments to that effort. And the second one is just a brief cleanup. The third wear ass clause, which describes the application requirements. The 32,700 square foot skilled nursing facility, that's an error. That's actually the lot coverage. It should actually state the overall lot coverage, which is, I'm sorry, the overall size is 177,432. So that should be corrected. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Further questions or comments colleagues? Just from a process perspective this, if approved goes over to the ERPB or the design review board? Was this final already? This is final. This is the new process that you you guys I know you guys submitted before you guys submitted before So it already went it already went Okay, we'll have to it will have to go to the D. R. E. That's what I was I'll be after yeah Yeah, we still have to go through that. Yeah, because it was submitted prior to the change. Okay. Okay. Okay. Any further questions or comments? Seeing none, is there a motion? Sorry, I believe this was a public hearing. Oh, it was a public hearing. Yes, you are right. It is a public hearing. This is a public hearing. If any member of the public would like to speak on item seven, which is an application to approve or deny a special exception for a large scale development project for a skilled nursing facility. Please come forward at this time. Is there anyone? One online, raise your virtual hand. Seeing no one coming forward in the chamber, item clerk, there's no one online. Okay, we'll consider the public hearing closed. Is there a motion on the part of anyone on the board? I move the item. I'll second. Yes, we motion by Commissioner Liebman and a second by the vice mayor. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. Yes, Commissioner Coyne. Yes. Commissioner Corbyn. Yes. Commissioner Liebman. Yes. Vice Mayor Bonnish. Yes, Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item passes 5-0. Thank you. Thank you. OK. Can we quickly read item 6 into the record? No, no, actually, that's actually deferred until further notice. My apologies. Just listen there. If we can read item 8, please. Item 8, a real switch of the nearest city commission of the city of Southampton border proving their purchase of traffic and animated software in an amount not to see $24,000 per year, 19,500 dollars in a first year from Urban SDK utilizing the terms of conditions of the Tempeter leave in Miami Gardens contract, imitation to bid number 22-23, DASH-023, authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute a multi-year agreement with Urban the committee. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. We have a discussion. source as a means to assist the police department and public works. Basically the information garnered from this software which is, becomes real time pretty much updated on a weekly basis, draws down data from smart technology phones, vehicles, and then that aggregation of that information is provided, giving us the ability to take a look at real time as it relates to traffic counts speed. So we saw it as a way to operational ways. One, the department can use it as a tool to identify areas of hotspots to deploy traffic unit and do some details. Secondly, from a public work standpoint, identify problem areas. And really lastly, and more of the motivation, we embark upon traffic studies from time to time of which has a cost. And we really move forward in an uninformed way because we don't really know what the outcome may be. Our intent would be that now we have this data that we can overlay with the county's traffic standards and then do a predetermination on what a traffic study would generate, what it would tell us. And there will be cases and we tried it with a gentleman that spoke here regarding traffic and his neighborhood and we used it to ask the consultant to take a look at that. And our findings were that speed were not excessive, but yeah, traffic counts were above average in the area. So we feel that we may have cost avoidance of traffic studies when we have this data ahead of time and therefore we go like we know what the outcome is gonna be, let's not spend the money. I know the vice mayor you had asked me about, hey traditionally, what do we spend on a traffic study? And one particular year in 19, roughly $58,000. More recent history, we don't have as many because the city embarked on a bit of taking 2021 to do a citywide traffic study, and that's the result of it in these traffic circles. So we feel we're going to be able to avoid certain traffic study costs which will eventually pretty much pay itself for this software. We also got authorization from PTP to use PTP funds. In this case, the item before you shares a first year with some police funds and PTP funds is our intent to be able to fully pay for it funds and PTP funds is our intent to be a bit of fully pay for it out of PTP funds given the authorization because it is analyzing traffic and traffic data Any questions of the manager this item is a piggyback contract out of Miami Gardens Questions of the manager Okay, seeing none Is there a motion oh public comment? I'm sorry. This is a public hearing. I'd admit if anyone would like to speak to item A, please come forward at this time. Anyone else? Please raise your vote. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I And no, it's not about it's not about a residential neighborhood. It's it's okay. Glad that it was resolved favorably. I'm not exactly. Thank you all. An item made is that I wouldn't like to speak to item made on tonight's agenda. Okay, seeing no one in the audience and no one online, then clerk will close the public hearing. Colleagues, is there a motion on item eight, please? I move the item. Is there a second? Second. Motion by Commissioner Leibin, a second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes, Commissioner Leibin? Yes. Vice Mayor Bonneesh? Yes. Commissioner Cory? Yes. Commissioner Cahier? Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. I don't pass this five. Zero. Is there anyone in the audience who's here on a particular item we'd like to take up? We have the milled item. And we also have a number of ballot items that are on tonight's agenda. Mr. Ward or Mr. Jacobs, if you want to speak on any of those items, I'd happily take those up first. Okay. So let's just move in the regular order then. If we can take up item five, please. Item five, a resolution of the City Commission of the City Assembly for the Declarity Required by Section 200.065 for the statues and city proposed Millage Rate, Roeback Rate, Computing, pursuant to the Section 200.065, program one for the statues and a date, time and pace of which their first and second public budget hearings will be held to consider the proposed millage rate and a ten until budget for fiscal year 2024, 2025, directly to city manager and the clerk, city clerk to transmit and file this resolution with the Miami-Dade County property appraiser. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Before we actually ask the manager to give us his recommendation, is there, can you announce the dates that we are considering for the public hearings on the budget? September 3rd and September 17th at 501. September 3rd and September 17th. Thank you. Mr. Manager. Yes, sir. Mayor, the item that's before you has a brings a recommendation forward to keep the current millage of FY fiscal year 24 in the proposed budget for FY 25 at the 3.950 rate and that's the recommendation that's before you. We shared some information there as it relates to rollback rate and obviously we have to share that information but in this case we're recommending to keep the military flat according to last year's or current year's fiscal year. Colleagues questions comments? Okay. I'm sorry I'm doing this a lot lately but just today in the nice say to a lot of referring to my time on the day is but today we had a budget meeting at 10 o'clock and we saw a slide that I'm saying much, but maybe proud to see how many tax reductions we've had. And I'm proud to say I've championed all of my believe there are four. Now today I'm also proud to say I'm very happy with where we are. And it's in the best interest of the city. And my opinion, staff's opinion, I believe this commission opinion to leave, to milledrate where we are. One thing I'll just, my commission is, pass another ordinance. The interest was, I believe in the best city, but also to educate the commission of the time, not an ordinance, a resolution to lower taxes. And a resolution is not binding and traditionally resolutions expire after a year anyway. But that was after the completion of Sunset Place. We have the numbers to substantiate as we could lower taxes by 10%. But no, I just wanted to share that. I was very proud to see that chart today. And I think it's in the best interest of the city. I think we're in a good place to hold the millage study. And again, just so we're clear, procedurally all we're doing is setting the maximum. We're not, we're not, we can, we still retain the flexibility go below this number. Should we decide on September 3rd? Correct. I just wanted to clarify that for the record. So any further comments or discussion? Seeing none, is there a motion on item, sorry, this is a, no, it's not a public random. Is there a motion on item five? I move the motion. I'll second. It's a motion by Commissioner Kaye a second by the vice mayor Madam clerk if you can call the role please. Yes, Commissioner Kaye. Yes, Commissioner Cory. Yes, the mission leave Yes, I just want to answer that numbers 3.95. We point nine five. That's correct. Yeah Yes, Mayor Fernandez. Yes, I don't pass it's five zero thank you we can read item nine please item nine air wills version of mayor and city commission the city of Southlamine Florida relating to the 2024 general election for the mayor and city commissioners group two and three to be held on November the 5th 2024 establishing qualifying days for the city's general election on November 5th 2024 providing for the city clerk to utilize the services of Miami-Dade County supervised the elections for the general election, including the issuance of the appropriate ballot and adherence to election procedures in accordance with the applicable in state law. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Madam Clerk, are you turning? Do you want to explain what this resolution will effectuate? Thank you. Yes, good Good evening Mayor. Our charter requires an Article 5 Section 5 that we establish procedures for elections. And so does our code in Section 9.5 and particularly that we establish qualifying dates for the upcoming election on November 5th. So this resolution essentially does that. Establishes the qualifying dates and follows the county and state procedures for the elections. Okay. Colleagues, any questions? I'm just curious about something. Why? It's a little bit odd that we have so late in the calendar year. It would be establishing the qualifying date of that typical for most municipalities? I don't know that there's any specific requirement that it be done within a certain amount of time. It's isn't a cold and a chart a certain amount of time that we have to do the qualifying. And again just for just for the public if we can just articulate those dates August 12 to the 22nd August 12 to the 22nd. August 12th to the 22nd, okay. Okay, is there a motion? Oh, no. Does the public hearing? Oh, it's a public hearing item. Anyone online, please raise your virtual hand. Or if there's anyone that chamber, please come forward at this time, on item nine. Seeing no one online or in the chamber, we will close the public hearing. Okay, is there a motion? I'll second of a motion by Commissioner Kaye and a second by the vice mayor Madam clerk if you can call the roll please. Yes commission kaye. Yes commission accordion. Yes commission of Lehman. Yes Yes, yes, yes, yes, and I'll pass it's right. So great if you can read item 10, please item 10 It was which of the mayor city commission of the city of Southland Florida calling a special election to be held on November 5th 2024 for the purpose of submitting to the electric if it pulls a memo to subsection H of section 5 powers and duties of Article 3 city manager of the city charter experts and in about a question to allow the commission to set purchasing of the city charter experts and in a valid question to allow the commission to set purchasing limitations by ordinance for the city purchases of goods and services providing for request requisite valid language and charter mimics form submission to the electric providing for the city crew to utilize them service of my media county supervisor elections for the special election. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Colleagues, this has been all the good thing that keeps coming back. It would revise out of the charter the $5,000 procurement threshold and give us a discretion to set, give this commission or future commissions, the ability to kind of set the threshold in our code as opposed to the charter. I think that fairly summarizes the effect of the ballot item. Are there any questions or comments, colleagues? I love you. I support. I think the manager, yes, for the record, he and his skinny microphone support this possible change. I know I just noticed. This is a public hearing item. If there's anyone in the chamber online who'd like to address this commission with respect to item 10 and the proposed change, please come forward. Seeing no one, we will close up public hearing. Colleagues, is there a motion on item 10? I think that's my microphone, because that's the unfiltered one. Oh, no, gosh. I'll move it. Second. We have a motion by the vice mayor second by Commissioner Leven madam clerk. Please call the roll Yes, Commissioner Callie. Yes, Commissioner Cory. Yes, Commissioner Leven. Yes, that's no bonnesia. Yes, the Hernandez. Yes Thank you if you can read item 11, please Item 11 air resolution the mayor's city commission of the city of South Miami for the calling for a special election for the city of South Miami to be held on November 5th, 2024 concurrent with the general election for the purpose of the many to the electric bond referendum regarding the issuance of general obligation bonds by the City of South Miami. It amounted not to see $65 million for the purchase purpose of acquiring, constructing, reconstructing, improving, and equipping various capital improvements. Real property and infrastructure for parks and recreation and equipping various capital improvements. Real property and infrastructure for parks and recreation, public works and public safety, providing for publication of notice of such referendum, providing a valid language for a submission to the electric, providing for the city clerk to utilize the services of Miami-Dade County, supervise the elections for the special election. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. Managers, would you want to kind of to use the supports? Yes, Mayor. Obviously, what's before you is a recommendation for voters to weigh in on the ability of the city to pursue a bond program. You're not necessarily approving projects necessarily today, but you're giving that opportunity to voters to chime in. We did share, given that we've had this discussion for a bit, and I was asked to provide some recommendation based on the collective feedback. So I shared a draft of some projects, but again, I want to make the distinction that the item itself is a approval of projects but I thought it was germane to share things that would be considered. In my opinion, the language of which a vote is will see which is either acquiring and constructing and proving or equipping with in recreation, public works, infrastructure, public safety. So we feel that these would mirror that. So in the event that at a later date, this conversation furthers as it relates to more specificity, these could be some projects that this commission would consider. Again, this would not be before the voters necessarily as a result of this item if it passes. But the mayor had asked furthest to be brought to some conclusion as it relates to what the, what kind of projects we may, or our, or our purchases. So we brought this forward for your consideration as well in your deliberations. Colleagues, questions or comments to the manager? Yeah, questions from the guy you recognize. I'm sorry, man. Sorry, too. the manager. Yeah. So just for the public, can we speak about if this bond is actually approved and it goes through the form of payment, once we execute on a particular project on a list, that we can speak to the repayment process of said bond we take out the funds execute on the project and the repayment or the The loan Payment that we might need to do worst case scenarios. How where does that come from best case scenarios? Where does that come come from so we can talk to the public about that? When you say where does that come from you you say what funding sources match to that? To that debt? Well, this would be a general government purpose and general fund issuance. So it would be supported by general funds. So that would be the funding source. And I know we have our public, I see Sergio's on, on, if he's also ready to share our financial advisor is on Mr. Masvidal as well. So in the event that you want some further technical questions, he may be able to share his comments since he's been reviewing this for us as well. With the summarized essentially, General Revenue would be pledged to essentially pay back if he's a bond But let's make about worst case scenario just so it's clear to the public worst case scenario general public general The general fund cannot fund something after we pay there's we can't be well I think I think let's let's yeah, just to that point. Let's just I want to give the kind of the conversations from context What with this does is authorize our ability to go to market. It doesn't do anything else. It just gives us the ability to, at some point, issue the debt before if we issue it in, you know, again, issue all $65 million if that's what we decided to approve. It would be required a 25% tax increase. I don't think anybody on this board would be particularly inclined to want to vote for a millage increase of that scale. So I think as we, if this is approved, there would have to be some conversation about how much we could issue at any point in time. So that would not be an ordinary burden or a burden at all on taxpayers beyond what they're carrying today. So that, I mean, that's, again, I want to be clear. I mean, that's, again, I want to be clear. My ambition with this is to one, give us the flexibility to attract other people's money, right, by showing this as possible available future match. Number two, give us a chance to kind of manage our cash flow a little bit better, and keep more cash on hand and use borrowing strategically to kind of expand our belief exercise projects. And so, you know, this is not in my expectation, certainly I would not be expecting us to go to market if this were approved in November in early, early part of 2025 or any part of 2025 to draw down on this authorization in a substantial way because it would require us to substantially increase taxes unless there's some unexpected windfall that should be, that should follow us here in the next fiscal year. Yeah, so if I could add normally programmatically here or any other community we would work with our financial advisor as so when some of these things may be needed and when realistically they may come online, some would be a vertical type of project where require, you know, some design and permitting and so, you know, it's a 30 year window usually of a bond program and the tranches of issuance doesn't happen necessarily. I mean we could, but normally you don't see that all at once. You see that over the history and the life of based on the program and when things are needed, right? So a lot of work to do as to when these things would populate, we would need some sort of critical path and timeline and then financial advisor along with bond council would work to package this together in the most advantageous way. I think one other benefit of possibly doing this is that for projects that we are trying to work to move into design and implementation, once his authorizations and placements are made by Mr. Boss, we'll all speak to this. I believe we could basically provide as a de-tefer notice or what's the term of art that would basically allow us to begin to items in our capital plan that could be eligible for bond funding, begin to recoup some of those design costs after the date that that notice is adopted by the commission. So, you know, again, we could begin to spend capital money out of our pay as you go model and then refund that money through the bond issuance. So there's the ability to kind of put more money to work that way as well. So I know Mr. Mosfield, if you can kind of give us a sense of what happens procedurally should this be adopted. And then if there is a dead authorization to transit to Peru, how much time we have to spend dollars. So we can give us the commission a sense of what the timing of a bond program could look like. Sure, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Can you all hear me, okay? We all can. Great, thank you. At a shovel turn, you know, on the delivery, it seems to be sorted out. So thanks for having me again, Sergio Masogal, PFM financial advisors. To answer your question, so Mr. Mayor, I think you were alluding to the intent resolution. All right. It's called the reimbursement resolution. Soft costs, you can always reimburse yourself for. So engineering design costs, those are reimbursable without any period of time or for any period of time. Really the reimbursement resolution would cover any hard costs that you might undergo before the bonds are actually issued. So that's the, that would be kind of one of the first steps. Well, let's, let's even back up from there. The resolution before you, you would put this in front of this is basically allowing you to put a referendum in front of the voters. If they approved the general obligation referendum, then we would go to something called bond validation. Validating that the bonds were properly authorized and that you could legally issue those bonds. That takes about three months after the referendum is approved. So you're really looking at an issuance of bonds at earliest, I would say, in spring of 2025. That's more than likely the timing. And again, that's all assumes that you're ready to go with kind of shovel ready projects. One of the IRS requirements on bond issuances is that projects must, you must have a reasonable expectation that you will spend the bond proceeds within three years from issuance of the bonds. So really the time that it takes us to ready the bonds, we can be ready as early as spring 2025. If in that time you were to prepare engineering, design and have projects ready to go, we could issue the bonds at that point. Now, I think the manager mentioned you would not very likely that you would issue these bonds in multiple tranches, not the full amount in one tranche, again, to meet that spend on requirement. So you're probably looking at bonds that are issued over, call it two or three, maybe even four separate series of issuances and that's how the process would play out. So each time that a bond was going to be issued, you would have something called a supplemental resolution that would come back before this commission to approve that project being funded with that specific series of bonds. The amount that the bonds were to be issued in and as well as a not to exceed-acced interest cost allowance. I think there was one other question maybe that I'll address right now by Commissioner Chi as far as the repayment stream. So we're talking about general obligation bonds so it's really a full-fake and credit of the city. You can use any any source of revenue you have available to you to repay these bonds. So whether that's non-avolorm revenues or avolorm revenues, certainly in a worst case scenario, I think you were alluded to, you know, you would implement the avolorm or love you a millage in order to pay the debts. Now of course, to the extent you receive grants for projects or grants you know revenue grants those could offset either the amount of bonds that you issue or or the amount of millage that you have to levied. Pause there and see if there's more questions or comments. For other questions colleagues? Okay. An advice may be recognized. Mr. River I think you're going to be on the hot scene here. Yes. I recall when we had a conversation, you actually put it up during one of our meetings and gave us different levels of borrowing. So I'm imagining that our mayor about 65 million from that chart that was discussed. I'm wondering if you could give us an idea of what we could comfortably manage, what's challenging, and what's not doable, which is, if I'm not mistaken, what you had on that chart at that point. What's great about a GOB is it's managed by the tax that we collect in Adry Lawrence. In other words, when they're voting in the GOV in search of Wyoming to jump in here, they're basically authorizing that expend or that loan amount and to tax themselves in essence to pay off that debt. So it doesn't put a strain. If it was a revenue bond or a loan, that's a different because that debt service is covered with revenues that is non-Adrylorm. That's a different because that debt service is covered with revenues that is non-adulorem. That's a different threshold. So there is no, I don't know how to answer. There's no real comfortable or uncomfortable when it comes to a general obligation bond. A $65 million we can handle, but it's not because it's going to be able to be taxed. Okay. And if you're looking at, if we're playing the guessing game, we're looking at things that are coming online between now and the next five years, right? I think it would be safe to say sunset place five year project. What? I want to be very clear, we will not receive best case scenario, best case not conservative, the city will not receive that, that adved alarm tax revenue in five years. You're looking at minimum seven eight years. The truth is I don't I haven't seen any plans on it. I don't I'm assuming they're going to do this on stages. It's not going to be developed. There is an assumption on my priorities. I just haven't seen anything. But I walked to a five year estimated completion. Won't receive taxes to the following year those taxes won't be due to the following year So it's plus two. Am I wrong? It right the tax comes on the following year after you've issued a seat and then you pay at the following year So it's plus two until the city receives it In November of that following year the Taylor and the Taylor end of that calendar year the tail end of that calendar year? Yes. Vice-Maria, if I can. The exercise that we're discussing now, which is obviously on point, is part and parcel having a conversation with our financial advisor and kind of forecasting capacity and when we need things. So that's part of the exercise because we want to understand when we have the ability to take on what and how much. So it's not sort of blind. We take a look at that and understand what capacity. For example, we talked earlier today about debt that's being retired. So we may say, well, we know we're going to drop $700,000 in debt service payments. That's an ability to break even if you will, if we fill that in with, you know, new debt. So it isn't formed by that dialogue and a vice, and if FAA will do, you know, I'll announce the fourth. Just to build on that example, right? 2026, that first loan is paid off, frees up $600,000 of capacity. That's roughly $10 million that we talked about during the break of debt that we could then service with that money. And to that, yeah then service with that money. And to add to that. Yes, go ahead. That will not go down further to the mill rate that we're using. That would not, that would not impact, that would not require us to increase the better. We want to make sure it's clear. No, exactly. So again, to 2026, we have capacity that comes online. We could take out the first $10 million without having to wait for future revenues, right? I think, look, the reason I'm presenting this now, we've had a chance to talk at various meetings about this is that I think we are either going to begin to set a direction about how future revenues are going to be spent, or they're going to be spent like government-typically operates, which is whatever is the immediate issue of the day. And I want to make sure that we are identifying projects that as revenues come online, we are directing revenues to things that residents can touch, feel, and see, right? And that will actually benefit their quality of life directly. You know, admittedly, this is probably a year or two earlier in terms of our project's history. But again, the authorization does not expire. And I'd rather take advantage of the moment and go to market and say, this is what we'd like to do, looking 10 years down the line, and just talking about the immediate opportunity. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, yeah. I just want to finish my talk. No, please, go ahead. Because where I was trying to get with Alfredo is, what is a point of comfort? Okay, because if we're going out to the voter, and I played this game at my house, if I ask you for $20, you'll give me $20. If I ask you for $40, you'll give me $40. When I ask you for 75 bucks, you're just gonna start thinking about it, right? So, when I see $65 million, it's a point of pain. Because somewhere in my mind, and real or imagined and you know what there's a reason that they sell houses for $499,995 because it's not $500,000 right so you can play that game with yourself mentally. What number do we feel is a comfortable number because I don't want to go out to a voter with $65 million and then not have an answer and they will ask How'd you get to $65 million did you pull it out of a hat? Did you have a conversation? Did you play with friends and come up with that? I mean we need to have like a real Something we can like you said the touch C feel whatever of a reason why we're going for $65 million versus $34 million or $27 million. Yeah, I think I'm sure Cory, did you want to add something in this conversation? Well, yeah, if I actually offer you where you're gonna answer that question from her because I do, I fall for you that's connected to you. I think he's trying to, let me try and make a little bit on that because it's obviously a proper concern. But again, it's a 30 year bond program of which the needs don't necessarily all fall in your one or your two. So you spread this over time and part of that exercise is understanding the influence of that debt service or adding in debt service and your capacity, right? And that's how we lean on the financial advisor to run these models for us. So it'll be informed by our capacity based on some analysis, right? And so 65 million right now would require some extraordinary effort on our part. Is it doable? Yes, but it would trigger some things that probably we don't want to do from a millage standpoint. But we know that that's not realistic, and we know that that's not how we would approach it. So the answer to your question would be that that will be informed as we design a program and take a look at a long term as to what our capacity is with some assumptions, because we have to assume further out in our FA, would we give us some scenarios about what our growth rates may be. So not being evasive to, but the reality is that that's how this exercise of a bond program that's over 30 years is executed. So how did we get to 65? Who was the magic number 365? It was. No, this didn't, it this, it's 65 came before this. It was from a previous document that you saw that had the range of the outside ability. Yes, that's what I was talking about. So what is, let's just, I think to get to your point is there was this exercise, if you can refresh our recollection, what was the maximum amount of debt we could borrow stasitorally in the presentation you guys made five months ago. Sorry, I think I think $87 million I think is what we surgery. I think just for a minute to answer the commissioner's question. So I think one way we look at general obligation programs and we do this all over the country, you know cities, all over the country. This is a one of the primary ways to finance capital programs. City of Key West just approved their program this morning actually. I was on their calls well. One thing we look at, you know, working with all of you is just the basic project needs. What are the project needs? What are the infrastructure needs? What investments do you want to make in the community over the next five, 10, 20 years, 30 years in this case? You know, you don't want to exceed your project needs to the extent where normally you issue a geo bonds for actually less than you might need. And then 10 years from now, you may be asking for a new general obligation referendum for additional project needs at that time. So that's one thing we look at. I think the other thing just to make it a very simple example. And I think this is where you're going, a commissioner is looking at, you use the example of a $499,000 house, that or a credit score. One thing we look at and we look at this for the city is the credit metrics, right? What credit rating, you see, it doesn't currently have a credit rating, but looking at the different metrics that they use, you know, the major credit rating sees like Moody's S&P, would 65 million in general vacation authorization would that cause the city's credit to deteriorate? When we looked at that, you have what, you know, an excess of capacity of 65 million to your credit score would not change at all. So if you consider that from a personal, making a personal analogy is if you were to take out a credit line of, you know, on your home or whatever, for $100,000, would that change your credit score? That's kind of one of the things we look at as well. So in addition to project needs, we also look at would it impact the credit of the issuer? And in this case, you know, 65 million, we think certainly of a project list that exceeds that. And as far as your credit metrics, you have capacity, you know, significantly more capacity than 65 million. So we think your credit will be held harmless. And that's where the 80 some million comes in. Now you're getting into a credit where it could possibly diminish our credit. And just to add one more, just one thing, it's about the equity also. Many of these items are capital projects and infrastructures that are going to be funded are going to last over the 30 years, the duration, and the people that are here living are the ones that are going to be paying for the benefit of using those improvements. And but instead of just paying for it and having the burden on the person either dying at the end or buying it in the beginning, it spreads it evenly and equitably across the board. Commissioner Lieben, you want to read the ceremony comments, but I have a question along these lines. So, sir, your mass pedology for the project list, the total project list dollar amount was 122 million in change. And Mary, remember you saying that at the time, in that meeting, this doesn't even cover all of our interests. So between the 122 million in change that didn't cover all the cities or commissions interests, based on that, how did we get down to 65? I mean, I'll give you my rule of thumb. Typically, if you're buying a home, what you can afford is a third of what you write three times or three times what you're, right? So to simplify this exercise in terms of what I thought, you know, if I'm going to the public and ask for authorization, what can I sell? I thought telling folks that we are going to borrow twice our average operating budget, you know, was not in the amount that should scare anyone, right? But it's important to get started on a lot of different capital needs and begin to think about planning for how we direct future revenue. So that's how I got to it. I thought it was a number well within the statutory maximum, probably below what we need, but something that at least you could communicate in cell fairly easily to voters because it's not a number while it seems large, relative to what we, what are operating budgets annually, it's only twice that, twice that amount. Twice the operating budget, including CIP. Yeah, but again, I would tell you, the way, yeah, that is actually absolutely accurate. I'm, yeah. And then, go ahead. Let me get, so, and just in terms of my comments, I'll leave it at this. I appreciate Commissioner Kay bringing up worst case scenario. Mayor, you said that worst case scenario or following Commissioner Kaye's comments, it could impact the millage by 25% of those approximate number. And speak with the finance director, worst case scenario. So make a quote on this $65 million bond, 30 year term, 4.5, 4.4% interest, equate to a debt payment of 1.5 million annually, which would equate to- No, no, it'd be $4 million, $4 million annually. Sorry.5 million annually, which would have quainted. No, no, it'd be $4 million. $4 million annually. Sorry. $4 million annually. So if we were to borrow the full amount tomorrow at 4.5%, it's just north of $4 million in terms of the debt service payment. So you said that would also equate to a millage increase of 1.5 points. 1.5 divided by 3.95 is 38%. 38% increase in millage and not 25%. We need to be very clear about this on the record. So worst case scenario based on numbers from our finance director. Let's be a 38% increase. I want to just let's put some guard rails on reality here. Okay, and the guard rails are this commission, right? For that to happen, we would have to all not only just get this approve this item, have the public approve the total debt issuance, but then we'd have to go ahead and say that we are going to borrow the full amount tomorrow when we all know we can't afford it. And we're going to raise taxes by 25 or 38%. You can pick your percentage. I don't think that anyone in the right mind would say that that would ever happen. So I just don't want it, again, because the public is possibly listening, hopefully they are. I don't want to give them the impression that certainly this mayor is going to go out and say tomorrow, if they approve this, I'm going to turn around and ask him for a 30% tax increase. I'm certainly not going to do that. I doubt that anybody here is going to do the same thing. And the worst case scenario requires action where we would impose a hardship on ourself. Let's be clear about that, right? It doesn't mysteriously happen by virtue of the fact that the public decides to authorize the bond issuance, We have to actually go to market and say that we're going to carry that debt service payment. So there are many, many steps. And the ultimate check is what we think our tax payer could stomach. And so Commissioner, again, I'm a little uncomfortable with the characterization that the tax increase is automatic. That's the furthest thing from what you're doing. Well, if I may, that wasn't a characterization. Those are the facts, and that's in the interest of transparency. That's directly what I'm trying to say. It's not a fact. It's absolutely not a fact. Okay, so what the fact is, the fact is that to meet the fact, it is a fact, and let the public know that we're going to be scenario. Sir, with all the respect, you are mistaken because you are presuming that this body would vote. So, that's the way. So, if I could finish my statement, okay, you're presuming that this body... I'm not. You are. I'm absolutely not. So, how is it a fact? Because, and I'm going to correct you twice, what you said previously, and what you repeated now, it is not this body because by the time this comes, this will be a different body and two-thirds of this commission cannot assure that they'll be here, whether at the time that we find out if this passes or fails. So you said is inaccurate. There's a chance that 60% of this body won't be here. There's also a chance that a successive commission will choose to not use the authorization. Right, but we can't speak for them one way or the other. Okay, well, I mean, so the public will weigh that risk. But I think neither of those two things are facts. They're possible outcomes, but neither is a certain fact. To add that correct. I'm sorry. We should leave a tad to that though. Whatever project we decide to go on there, whether it's us or the future. You're right. Most of us probably won't be here, but at least the ability to do so go out to the public, do legislation on it, have feedback from the public to tell us if they want that or not. That's available for us and that's the guardrail that the mayor hasn't talked about as well, but it's also there for that. Am I making myself clear on that? Okay, let me explain it again. Whatever we decide to do projects, and maybe it's us, maybe it's the future commission. They wanna go ahead and do the $15 million to do city hall, for example. Whenever that comes there, it still has to go to the public. It still has to be legislation. We're gonna be have feedback on it. There's still gonna be communication. So we would understand what the public wants when I say we future commissions. So there's guardrails in places to see what projects get approved to that. The only way this is a worst case scenario, and I apologize for speaking like that before, well if we issue one bond for one specific project to be 65 million, for example, the park in Dorelle, right? That was a bond issue for that particular park in Dorault, which exceeded, I don't know, the number over $200 million. That obviously they don't have the way to pay the debt, so they issue the mill rate. That's why you see the mill rate of Dorault so high. That's where you see that case scenario. We won't see that here. So may I may ask the city attorney for clarification? You may. Okay, so city attorneys, if this item passes at this number, 65 million, and we'll use Commissioner Kai's example, there's a $50 million project that the city isn't interested. Does that have to go back out to referendum again? No, I think it's clarify. I think it's quite, I think it's comment was that it would have to be authorized by this board by a successive vote. That's what I understood as comment together. Not that it would go to referendum. I thought it was the voters, right? The commission which we can't speak for. The future commission which we can speak for. But once the 65 is approved, there's no additional. Well let's, let's, let's, let's, let me, me let me let me throw out this other scenario right. It's assuming the the charter change on August 20th passes right. Theoretically this commission without pledging the full faith and credit of the city could buy a fourth is vote right in Cumber the city with as much as $65 million in debt or $20 million in debt, right? So again, I'm not sure what your concern is. I'm trying, I say this sincerely. There are, I think there are multiple steps here that require this commission or a successive commission to take action for there to be the kind of a tax increase that you are concerned about. And so, you know, I, so I think, you know, what we're talking about here is giving us another tool in the toolbox to accomplish many of the things that we've been talking about for a year and a half, but I'm not having the ability to execute because we don't have, this is a vehicle to plan around, right? This would allow us to make in year, let's assume Sunset Police was having success pre-selling condominiums and we could estimate that we were expecting three years from now, a few million dollars of of adalor and revenues, right? We could anticipate that future revenue and under this authorization go to market and borrow in tranches to begin street improvements in our downtown, right, something we all wanted to see do. Again, this just creates optionality, which is something that frankly, our charter is designed for this government to do nothing. And so my motivation with respect to the ballot initiative that I thank you all for supporting for August 20th is to create more optionality, more flexibility so we can do things affirmatively. As opposed to kind of remaining in the posture that the city's been in for the last 25 years in no fault of anyone here, where we've done very little, all right, and what we've seen, I think, Commissioner Lieben, you've been at the forefront of calling us out on the need to change the face of our downtown. But the reason we've been in this post year is because our rules are on borrowing are very restrictive. And this Empire Commission has not had the courage to frankly ask the voters to give us the opportunity to consider this as a tool to finance much needed improvements. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm not agreeing with you, but as a commission, as a government body, and in this sense of transparency, I don't think it's fiscal responsible to ignore worst case scenario and the possibility of a future commission. And as much as we want to look at all the potential positives, I think at the same time, it's incumbent upon us to be transparent about the worst case scenario. And we can't speak for future commissions. So I'm not disagreeing with any of the positives. I absolutely support the August item, because it's bad policy. But I'm not in favor of this bonding threshold here at 65 million and I'm voting about no in the item and I'm going to vote no in November on the item. You may, of course. Is there a way for us to build something in here so that if a commission did go rogue and wanted to like say we're going to borrow $65 million is there a way to put guardrails on that because what he's saying has has a certain validity to it where we can't we don't we can't even pretend to know what other people are going to do it within the next 30 years so So is there a way to? Man, vice-price, I would just say this to you. I mean, the charter has been designed for since 2004 with its current barn rules or the guard rails. And the result of that has been that we've been locked in stagnation for two decades. Right? And so I would say to you philosophically, there's no guarantees in life, right? What we've got to hope is that the good people of South Miami will continue to choose their city council members judiciously, right? And that given that ultimately the check on whatever we do is the fact that we have to meet the public, in my case, every two years, in your case, every four years, that we're to meet the public in my case every two years, in your case every four years, that we're going to go in ourselves by what we think the public would want us to do responsibly. And I think to do more than that, would put us in the same situation we've been in for the last 25 years, which will basically rules that inhibit any action. Well, I don't know that I agree with that. I'm trying to see if we can find something that might work for everyone. I don't think that it would be out of bounds to say that we wouldn't be able to borrow more than 40% of that in one year without some kind of approval from another mechanism or something because if we put $65 million and it's sitting there there's nothing other than you know the fear of the resident or the fear of not being reelected and so instead of saying we get all or nothing, could we try to find some kind, are you making a dead person? Try to find something where at least it gives a level of comfort. Is there any interest on that at all? I have some thoughts. I'm certainly open to hearing them. I just don't have a- I just want to say that we couldn't do more than 50% of that at any given time. Like we couldn't turn around and say, all right, we want $32.5 million this year. I understand what you're saying through the mayors. Sorry. Go ahead, sir. Maybe this is a question for the city of turnips. So, for example, is there anything that we can put in place that we can't borrow about one ask more than, you know, 33% of said value? Is that something that we, I'm just asking the question for a second? So a couple of things. Could we do something like that? We could do something like that. We could enact an ordinance that directs that. But that ordinance would be subject to change by any commission, just like any other ordinance. So, you know, it would have the force of law, but it could be change in future. Were the three fist vote? Yes. Yes, that would be a three fist vote. Just want to make sure it's clear. That's correct. Yes. That's correct, yes. Now, just to just kind of add a layer to this, and I don't want to complicate it more, but the statutes on the budget already create certain guardrails in terms of the increase of taxes. There are vote requirements, and there's a maximum cap on the military that you cannot exceed. Now, a 38% increase in the military would not come anywhere near that maximum cap, but it would require a 5 out of 5 vote to enact that in any year. So But guardrails might not be there. Can I ask the question about that because I yes I agree with the general operating military limitations But is the debt service millage subject to the same limitation or or we just said to totally require to carry the minimum amount or we just said to totally require to carry the minimum amount Dead service millage so we can actually continue to fees the bonds Okay, so I don't know mr. Mosfield all has a as a has some insight into that So Sergio are you know look I think I Think the general posture when we discussed this before of the board today is that we would want to borrow But not have the aggregate millage debt service and operating exceed whatever the our millages today. Right? So for 395, if we were to have growth in the future that we wanted to retire on the operating side, we could then basically authorize debt to kind of bring us to keep us at 395 in total. Certainly that's how I have always conceptualized the program, right? If we were going to do this. That's a good point. But so, but in terms of Mr. Moswell, in terms of the, in terms of how this deck gets serviced, is it under its, it's under a separate debt service in the village that's living correct? That's, that's right. That's, that's my. That's my understanding. It's one, I mean, I would certainly defer to the legal, with the way every the statutes, if it's a voter authorized referendum for a general aviation bond, you have unlimited authority to increase the knowledge to what is necessary to service that debt. Correct. So, and I believe, I believe that debt services is capped at whatever the required debt services for the debt that's outstanding. So, for example, if whatever, $600,000, let's say, is the equivalent of what Mr. Riveirov all? No, it's $10 million, but in terms of millage, it's a quarter million dollars a tenth of a mill so let's say it's two and a half two and a half two and a half tens of a mill right let's assume we wanted to shake that money out of our operating budget we could reduce the operating millage by that amount and have a debt service millage that would amount and have a debt service millage that would service 10 million dollars in debt. We're reducing our ability to fund operations through the operating millage and the debt service millage is added on top of that. But the total taxing effort to the resident is the same. The same as it is today. I don't know how we would put any further guardrails around that other than establishing a policy of this board Which again as the city attorney has mentioned could be modified unless we want to change the charter again and and make that A charter limitation which would not be my my preference personally Further questions let's try to see we can bring this one in for landing one way or the other. So, then where did we land with all of that talk? We landed in where? If we got $65 million, we wouldn't be able to borrow more. Whatever that guard real was, the mayor just explained. The millage, would we do it that way? Would we do it as percentage? How would we do this? Or what do we direct towards this? So there's a clear understanding of what the parameters are. No, I think if I understood the last day of the discussion, is that theoretically, the 55 million could, you know, you could issue bonds in the amount of the $65 million this long and you would pay for it through the debt service millage. So you could conceivably do it in one shot. That doesn't mean you would, that just means theoretically. That's possible. Does that answer the question? No. No. Can I maybe just to kind of offer? Let's maybe with a real-world example of the benefit of our financial advisor online. Mr. Voss, let's say the last 10 GOB offerings that you worked on. How many cities have actually borrowed the full authorization in one false group? Zero. Yes, go ahead. How many have borrowed it within three years? Maybe I would ask you to do. Yeah, even within three years, I mean, I think just realistically what's happening in the media's policies you workwood. As I mentioned, the IRS spend-down requirements at the time you issue the bonds, the finance director Alfredo Sartrepa on the spot. We'll have to sign a certificate that gets submitted to the IRS, the Internal Revenue Service, that says he has the reasonable expectation that those monies will be spent within three years. So really, only typically when we issue these bonds we're issuing for projects that are shovel ready and we'll be ready to, you know, all the bond expenditures will be made within those three years. So the window we see normally kind of a cycle is probably every three years or a referendum program. And again, to address the worst case scenario concerns Mr. Vospa, how many GOB authorization have you seen where a city has issued debt and an aggregate raise to total taxing effort, combination of operating military and debt service? Is that the norm or is that the is that the is that yeah, it's I mean it's hard for me to give you kind of a very Is that the is that yeah? I mean, it's hard for me to give you kind of a very a numerical objective answer on that, but I can certainly tell you that you know, elected officials all over the state, the country, just like yourself, are sensitive to their constituents, sensitive to the overall military and consider that when they're making the determination to one issue bonds for certain projects and two to you know fund certain programs on the operating side. So certainly they're looking at each time each October when you're sitting your budget you're looking at both sides of that equation. Come here, Kaya. You recognize? We did the Millage study where we saw the different cities and what their mill rate was. You did see a column of added millage due to obligation bonds. There was maybe two or three. Most of them there were pretty big were major cities that are doing that. For example, Dorao pulled a major obligation bond for their park, Central Park. That's been pulled already and that's already on their mill rate. But that's one of the few. To my recollection, Mr. Mazbada, I don't know if there's any other ones that you know off your recollection that you see I didn't see that many in Miami-Dade County. I'm sorry commissioner what the question exactly is. Which I mean maybe what cities in Miami-Dade County have have actually exceeded and have to pull millage from the oblig- to pay the obligate. How many I think the question is how many have a dedicated debt service millage? Thank you. Well, there's roughly someone, someone out here that's roughly what, 35 municipalities within the county? Yes, yeah. I want to say, you know, probably 10 or 10 to 15 of those have a general irrigation bond program? It's on the millage table. On the millage table that we'll present, there's a call that you mentioned. I think there are only two on today. So there was Miami and Jorrell. So they were on the one in the comp set that we were looking at. So, okay, thank you. There's certainly more than that, but yeah, Miami and Jorrell are kind of two of the newer ones. The first of their, I guess to answer one of your budget commission, Miami issued a large capital program, $300 million, and we issued 100 million of those today. So. That was four years after the authorization, correct? Four years after the authorization, and as far as we can see, is the forecast they've asked us to run, they don't have plans to issue additional bonds for the next three to four years. Mr. Manager, and then Commissioner Lee has been hit. Mayor, I just want to shed some light on the actual question that would be, you know, go to the voters that have approved tonight. And really, the focus of the question is the voter providing their approval to be taxed for this purpose. And the only limitations that they're giving as, you know, not exceeding 65 million in one or more series. Additional guardrails are the when and the how, it would still be part of this process and this commission's deliberations through time, right, or any commission for that matter. So in this case, they're not telling you you have to do it within this time period, other than within 30 years, or not later in 30 years from the issuing dates, right? So what I want to shed light on the question is that it's- Just because I want to, we've said 30 years a few times, is that accurate? So that maximum life of the authorization is 30 years, or is it- No, no, I understand, I'm sorry, I can interject here. Go ahead, sir. Yeah, once the referendum is authorized, your authorization does not expire that I'm aware of. I'm reading the ballot question. I'm reading the actual language, which is in one or more series maturing not later than 30 years from their issuance date. That's the maturity date. So that's the maturity date of the bond. Understand. Understand. OK. Well, I just want to window of time that I'm talking about the parameters. Oh, correct. So Mr. Manor, I don't want to just be clear. I want to make sure I'm clear so that we're clear of the public. I think with that language says, and the society correct me is that the maximum term of the indebtedness for any series cannot be more than 30 years. Am I correct? Okay. So the parameters are part of the questions are not that 65 million, the 30 year language and interest, you know, not above what's allowable by law, right? Time frames, the when, you know, how much and when it's still subject to this governing body's discussion and approval, or, and I want to say this body, I do, whoever's sitting in those chairs over time. So the issue of guardrails and prudence and what capacity we really have and not exceeding will definitely be up to the commission that's sitting there to make that determination in consultation with the advice from their financial advisor. There are commissions that maybe could take on more than necessary, but that'll have to be demonstrated with the support of the financial advisor is what would it be required to do what you want to do, right? And yes, there could be a vote that's taken that people say well that's too much or too little. But it would still be within the confines of what the voters have allowed to do. So what I'm saying is that some of this is conversation that could be taken at a later date. If the voters say we like you to do this, these conversations can be had by any commission. No different than right now. As limited and as archaic as I, in my opinion, the charter language as it relates to votes needed for borrowing, it has no other rails as to the when. So it's no different position than what the charter language currently has of four votes or five votes depending if it exceeds 5%. So that exposure is currently there now and it's protected by those that are sitting on the commission. That doesn't change. This language would still put that burden on whoever is sitting in this commission to issue in a responsible manner based on the city's capacity. So as limiting as the current charter is, it doesn't provide those protections. And so that doesn't change. It's still the burden of this commission to issue that in a responsible manner and that'll be determined whether it's responsible, not obviously. But even in the current state, that could still happen. It would be those that are sitting in your seats whether it's you or somebody else could to make those decisions. So I think that that concern of somebody acting irrationally is there today, and it could be tomorrow. The likelihood of that is relative. So I just share that because I want to bring context back to the question. And from an opinion standpoint professionally, the inability of the city to go beyond a pay-as-you-go model, I can tell you that exceeds our ability. Forget growth. That growth has Commissioner Lieben said, some of these things won't come online for a certain time. So a pay as you go with some of the things that we have that are we're facing today and we know are forthcoming. Exceeds our ability from a pay as you go. So I just say that because we need some alternative means to take a look and solve some of our problems. This would provide it and you still have the ability to provide some guardrails. Okay, in the interest time, I'm gonna allow for one more round of comments. So, Commissioner Leven, since you had a bite of the apple before, and I think Commissioner Corey has not, I'm gonna recognize him and I'll come back to you. I'll come back to you. Okay. Thank you, and I just wanted to speak my piece before I mentioned this earlier today, but looking at our residential, looking at our commercial and the rate at which they're developing and improving, and then looking on the public side, all of the demands that we have, I believe this will give us the opportunity to keep up pace with them, and even to Commissioner Lieben's comments before, even as commercial comes online, there will be a delay before we see the benefit of that. And I do think this is a good idea for us to be able to keep up pace with them. And I think it's prudent to send it to the voter. So I'll support it. Thank you, sir. Commissioner Levin, you're recognized. I was going to call the question after I speak, but I think at least three people on the day as well like what I'm going to call the question after I speak. But I think at least three people on the day is well, I'm going to have to say. It'll be rewarded for recognizing me mayor, though it does not include me voting for the item, though I'm not opposed to the public weighing in. I just don't want my vote, the public to weigh and to be misconstrued, supporting the item. So what I want to say is if I was going to present this and I was champion this I would start with this is what we need This is what we want the public and this is how it will benefit your life That's one then I would Surprise didn't it come up I would touch on all and this is Significant and I'll exceed it with anyone has said or probably will say, but the anticipated revenue is going to be in the millions of dollars from Sunset Place. I think it's shy to quote me, but on the Fresh Market Project, maybe our city manager or finance director has that number and all the other projects. The City Hall project will be very rewarding for the city as well as several other projects in play which will produce a rich tax base for the city. So that's number two and you could, when you do that model, you can be conservative and they're projected. And then the third thing, which everyone always overlooks when we discuss millage, is even if we hypothetically, the city, raise the millage by 100%, that would only be a 20% increase in the overall tax bill. No matter what we do to the millage, we only control 20% of the homeowners tax bill. The rest of it comes from the county and fire city manager and library and so forth. You can just look at your tax bill and see in there's data obligations how it's broken down for the county. So whatever increase it is, it's only relative to approximately 20%. Your overall tax property bill. And a lot of the residents confuse that, that our millage represents 100% of their bill. So those are the three angles I'd approach it from. Okay, for the comments. Okay, seeing that is their emotion on item 11. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm a public hearing item. There's any member of the public who would like to address this commission on the item. Please come forward at this time. I don't clerk. Is anyone online? You don't want the online. Okay. Mayor, if I may, there are two options for the title of the ballot question on page 412 of the agenda. Is there any preference for the title of the ballot question? Two options are there. One page? Four to all of the agenda or three of six of the resolution. Page three. I don't have a computer die. Where in the resolution page three of the resolution. Yeah, which is highlighted in yellow. There's two title options for the question. Through the mayor. Yes, sir, maybe we can just read them out to the public and then we've just certainly Metamusutri would you read them? Yes, the first option is bond referendum for parks and recreation public works and public safety improvements and infrastructure The second option is bond referendum for improvements infrastructure and property for parks recreation infrastructure, and property for parks, recreation, public works, and public safety. Also keeping in mind that we are limited to 15 words on that title. Yes, ma'am, you recognize? The first one doesn't make any sense to me. The second one reads properly to me, but the first one is like choppy. Okay, that's a good point. Infrastructure just hangs out there. Right. And the point is to advise the public of the purpose of these bonds, right? Correct. The question has to have the purpose and the title should as well. So is that madam vice-barry you're in favor of the second title? I would just because it just reads better. It might not make sense when you read it as a voter, but at least reads better And I'm assuming we did parts slash recreation because if we would add a 16th word, that's correct It's exactly 15 words Why wouldn't we take out like bond referendum for improvements infrastructure comma property for parts recreation comma public works and public safety? I don't know that we need and and and they're twice if you're trying to buy a word. I think we should move the second one. Honestly. Okay. So is there a motion to adopt item 11 with the alternate title as a preferred option? I'll move the motion. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay, is there a second? Second. Okay, motion by Commissioner Coye. Second by Commissioner Cory. With option B. Correct. With the alternate title. As it's listed on page three of six on the item four on item 11. Okay. And Cork, if you can call the role, please. Yes, Commissioner Coyote. Yes. Commissioner Corian. Yes. Commissioner Lehman. Yes. Senator Woneesh. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item passes 5-0. Thank you very much. Can we read item 12 please? It's item 12. And ordinance of the Mayor and City Convention. I'm sorry. No, I throw your voting on which item because we just chose the language No, I basically asked for so you want to leave. No, okay, so can we you can you reflect? Okay, okay, thank you Everyone else to spy on their vote Okay, thank you Item 12 in ordinance of the mayor's city commission of the city of South Louis, Florida, many Article 2 definitions, Article 3, zoning regulations, and Article 4, other regulations to permit urgent care facilities and provide applicable regulations. Madam Clerk are we? We are good on the title. Thank you. Okay. I'm going to go to the parking lot. We are good on the title. Thank you. Number 12. Correct. You'll move the item. Is there a second? Before we move the item, we have to have a public hearing. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address this commission on item 12, which is a modification to our zoning regulations to permit urgent care facilities. Seeing no one in the chamber, is there anyone online? Seeing no one online either, Commissioner Lieben, you recognize for a motion? Let's move the item. I'm in. Okay, is there a second? Second. So, a motion by Commissioner Lieben, a second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. Yes, Commissioner Coyne. Yes. Commissioner Leeman. Yes. I stand for knees. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. I am in passage 5-0. Thank you. If you can read item 13. Item 13. In the ordinance of theland Porta and Mending Section to the Ash 2.26.7 unique abilities for the city code of ordinances to advise the qualification requirements for board members. Thank you. This is the first reading item. Commissioner Cuyah, I believe this is your item. Did you want to? Yeah, I think this is just the ability to have either the resident or commercial. Yeah, we just we discussed it. No, no, no, this is the unique abilities. Yes, we do have residents or or commercial owners. I thought we did that last commission. We we discussed it. Yeah, and you're right then to bring it back as an ordinance. Okay, correct. Yeah, I think nothing's changed since. Okay. Okay. Well, that is the explanation. Is there a motion on item 13? I'll move it. Second. The motion by Commissioner Coye, second by Commissioner Cory. Any comments? Questions? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Yes, Commissioner Coye. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Lieben. Yes. Vice Member Nish. Yes. Mayor Fernandez? Yes. I know. Pass it. We have an add-on item before everyone packs up. Still to consider. If you can read the add-on item one more time, please. Member clerk. Yes. Add-on a resolution. City commission of the city of South-Hernford calling for a city of South-Herns special election to be held on November 5th, 2024, for the purposes of submitting to the electric proposed amendments to section 2A of Article 5 elections of the city charter to increase the term of office for the office of the city mayor to four years beginning with the 2026 South Miami general election providing for a notice of election providing for a submission to the electric providing for the City Court to utilize the services of Miami-Dade County, supervise the election for the special election. I move the item. I'll second it. So what we have in front of us, this body hasn't voted on, but sorry, Commissioner Corey has the previous body voted on the site and to put on a November ballot, quoting the mayor, the, it's no reflection on the mayor, but this was the only item that failed on the last ballot, but I want to remind everyone took several attempts, kept sponsoring these items, you'll have to hear yes once, several attempts to move the election November, several attempts to reduce five out of five to four to five. And just like the other item we have on the August ballot, this is just a matter of correcting bad policy. So what this item speaks to even though the commission knows maybe. The commissioners terms are four years. They're staggered. The mayor's term is always two years because for approximately 100 years, the city always had a special election in April in order to keep that special election relevant. The mayor's term was two years to increase turnout. Best turn we had are recent average numbers or approximately 2000. Now in a non-presential cycle, turnouts at least 100% greater than a presidential cycle, turnouts at least 200% greater. So the turnouts are already built in, the turnouts implied we don't need the mayor's term, to be up every two years to have turnout. Again, the turnout's already built in November. And I could argue that the mayor should be the most, mayor's position should be the most influential position, and I could argue it's the least influential, because it's the same vote. The mayor's express authorities, but actually not that many. But it's the equal vote for half the time as the commissioners. Also, personally, I don't want, not as a commission, but as a resident, I don't want the mayor to have to campaign every two years if you assume a campaign takes a year. That means that they're campaigning half the time. And you traditionally want less transition, especially if it's new mayor, you want to give him a chance to get settled into the job. So, for all those reasons, I believe that the mayor's term should be four years. Just a note for the commission just like last time, it would not take effect this election. The earliest it could take effect would be 2026. So, I don't know if there's any questions. I just think it's bad policy and I think the mayor's terms should be, and I think that, sorry, I don't know what the ballot language says, but I'd like for it to say that the mayor's terms should be consistent with the commissioner's terms of four years. Maybe changing the language will help the public better understand it because there's really no reason not to support this in terms of the public. Madam vice mayor. Can we just make the ballot language one of those like keep it simple, stupid? So that people understand what they're voting for. I think last time people were confused. And so people skipped over it. When you don't know, you vote no. So if we say, just like Josh said, to make the mayor the same as everybody else, the end. Mayors term consistent. Yeah. The end, like let's not add extra words so we get to like 15 or whatever it is And honest maybe I'm biased or ignorant. I don't know any negative Unless you have a bad mayor, but just in terms of the policy Careful what you wish for someone say I Just don't even do it all the extra time. So there you go I just don't want to do it all the extra time. So there we go. Have a seat. That person. Do we have language that we want to read in the record? Yeah, we have the ballot question is this would read, the city charter currently provides for a two year term for the city's mayor period. Shall the charter be amended to increase the term of office for the mayor to four years, to increase the term of office for the mayor to four years Consistent with the term of office for city commissioners Beginning with the 2026 South Miami general election Now is that is that the same language it was used in the prior? I don't believe so that's Can we verify that we got to look that up? Well, let's table this for two minutes. Yeah. And I want to raise a non-agenda item if I may. I'm sorry. And I wanted one thing. Yes, sir. I'm not a person. I'm sorry. I'm not opposed if the commission wants to start this in 2028. Okay. I don't know. Can I start to comment? Just comment. I don't know. I just thought about it. Well, well, you're indulgent. Our current mayor. With your indulgence, I don't have any objection to when it starts. With your indulgence, while they're reviewing that item, we have a, we have our first art and public places donation, which has a bond that's set to expire on August 4th. We met with related urban this week. They've asked if they could pay, but a $21,000 differential between the required contribution, the value of the art that they've already installed or purchased. On behalf of the city, apparently the code does allow for us to accept the balance and cash. It does require a waiver, right? There's not time to bring an item for that waiver before that bond expires. So what I'd like this council, if there's any objection to consider, is to basically direct the manager to go ahead and accept the cashier mittens and have the seat hurry put on our next agenda a resolution to ratify the manager's acceptance of that contribution and affirmatively adopting the waiver as required by the city code. Did I state that correctly, Mr. City Attorney? Yes. Okay. You're ratifying the manager's acceptance of the $21,000 differential and it would be a post-acceptance waiver of the requirement. Okay. Questions? Yes, ma'am. Would we want to consider using those funds since it is the same neighborhood to help the clinic as the doctor had mentioned earlier in starting a pantry or something like that. I'm just thinking about creative ways to keep that in the area that they are in. Since it is an exaction, I think it's probably limited to the use that we collected it for, but I had a deferred account so on whether those dollars are treated as general revenue or they're treated as restricted funds. It's general revenue but it's targeted towards specific, there are limitations within the code as to what it can be spent for beautification. It can be spent for placemaking and there's a targeted list of things. So it's not revenue you can receive that we can redirect for any purpose. Okay. But is it nice item? Yes. Just clarification. So the amount is $21,955. So that's the difference of their total commitment that's required of $493.260. So the check would be for $21,955. Okay. As alternate users, I just also want to remind that there is a donation of a sculpture that we are using. So that's the difference. would be for $21,955. As alternate users, I just also want to remind that there is a donation of a sculpture that we are in possession of, that we still have to cite and maybe build a base so there could be some cost in finishing that out. So these funds could go towards that, I would also say. Okay. So any up again Madam City Attorney is the directions efficient or do we need to actually have a this body vote on on that direction. I think it's efficient. Okay thank you so let's just any objection will consider you so directed. Okay thank you and whenever we're ready on the last item will close'll close this out. Yes, sir. Did you want to discuss commission? Yes, thank you for reminding me. Apparently we have the option of canceling one of our two meetings in August. I think staff would prefer us to meet on August 20th, as we do have a health care item that we need to take up timely. Is there a preference on the part of the spot is to what we would want to meet? I've noted from before that I will not be present August 20. I am dropping my kids at college and won't be logging on. Yes, sir. I prefer August 20. I'll be out of town the first week of August as well. So it needs to be this. Vice versa. No, I know. Vice versa from my side. Yeah. Yeah, I can call it either way. Well, we'll do that. Yeah, we'll do that next. So August 6th or the 20th, I would say my preferences will be August 20th as I know that my kids are back in school and here. So if it's not too much of a thing, I don't, do we have a very, do we anticipate having a very heavy agenda that day? Sure. What about the lean on the deputy city manager who kind of tracks and see, but we know for sure that getting everything ready for the healthcare item will be on August 20th so that's why we're saying okay So we will not be able to make If we if we decided to meet August 6th not the 20th we would not we not be ready to have the August The health right consider and again that authors that I guess that transition happens in September So we would not have chance to take it up at our regular September meeting timely, okay? So I think I think for that reason probably August 20th is the appropriate date and I apologize Madam Vice Mayor that we're not going to be able to comment you. Okay, so is there a motion to cancel the August 6 meeting of the commission? I'll move it. Okay, so motion by the vice mayor and a second by Commissioner Coye. Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Coyote. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Lieben. Yes. By the link on boonies. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Okay. Okay. Commissioner, while they're checking, I guess, the commissioner even had asked about the schedule of City Hall. And as it was mentioned before tomorrow is a deadline for proposals. So depending on what happens tomorrow, obviously the work will begin in earnest to review and analyze those proposals. Okay. In terms of you will be putting together a selection and review committee when you anticipate you will be announcing the committee composition. We're in the process identifying who those individuals would be obviously be some staff internally. If there's any recommendations of somebody in the community that has a background that would suit well for committee like that Certainly open for those suggestions as I mentioned before So we want to move quickly so we can stay on our timeline So I you know within within a week's time after tomorrow because I got a way to see if we're good if we have work to do or not Right Hopefully we will and we'll have some proposals Through the Mayor. Yes, sir. Assuming proposals come in tomorrow, are we able, as the commission starts seeing those? Or do we have to wait for a selection? No, they're public record unless the city attorney is on the phone. Because of the cone they have to wait? Yeah, they're not made public yet. Please, in the microphone. If we could speak into the microphone, please. Yeah, I need to double check the timing, but they're not made public yet. They won't be made public until about when the manager makes the initial recommended. So two questions. They're not a public record, but are they accessible to the members of the commission? They want to review the project. No, but you guys are the ones making the selection. I understand, but I think until I'm not meeting with you. Let me just again to clarify if I help my colleague out here, because I think I understand where he's going. I think we can review the solicitation materials that are received, as long as we're not speaking to any of the respondent parties or staff, correct? I know the other question. It's difficult to have two attorneys, two different opinions. Okay. I think the commission can receive the solicitations, however you cannot disseminate them in any way to anyone else or share them with the public, etc. Yeah. As long as we're, um, you're recognized here. Go ahead. Thanks. Well, as long as we're in pause, if a commissioner mayor wants to give up, I mean, wants to give up their seat after two years, how does that work? Maybe there's a question for the city clerk. Can you announce it? And then you can, can you serve, for example. I'm sorry, what are we? I just want to, because, yeah, OK, don't worry. OK, that was too good. I think we switched topics if I'm, if I'm hearing you continue with the C-Hall schedule. So we want to get you here your first answer. We weren't continuing along the schedule. No, so we're, so I think we had a question about number one, can we review the materials? Your answer was yes, so long as we do not speak to anyone, who's a respondent or a member of staff, and we do not disseminate the materials. Is that correct? Okay. Yes, ma'am. When we're talking about the group that will be reviewing this, do we think it would be helpful to have maybe somebody from budget and finance since now they're closed out having them be part of that group? No budget committee? Yeah. Well obviously from a budget and finance will be leaning on our financial advisor and then we remember we have the financial advisors and then we have the outside council. Yeah, no, just one. Yeah, I just wonder if we'd want their involvement so that they're seeing, you know, they've gone through the entire thing up to now. I wonder if it would be beneficial. I have one of them beyond that committee just, because they have some institutional knowledge or even for them to have content. I wouldn't, if I could suggest. I think in terms of folks I know on that committee that have a background in real estate, real estate related development, Chantra Rera, who's my appointee, who works for real estate development time share company, until recently, maybe a good person to put on the selection committee if we want to suggest someone to the manager, obviously it's a suggestion, or, you know, Jay possibly being a former lender might have some expertise they could offer there as well. Again, there might be someone who's a good fit. Again, I frankly prefer to delegate to the manager the selection. I don't necessarily want to be nominating someone. I think between the F.A. and the appraiser who we'll be working with and staff, we probably will be fine with the composition of the committee, but it's might be. But there's some good candidates on the budget. I just thought that they have very interesting levels of. Just in terms of timeline, when would you anticipate convening the, to get the back to, can we sure leave it's question quickly? When would you anticipate convening the To get the back to give a shirt leave and question quickly Why would you anticipate convening the committee if you if you were to with a week? well, I mean getting The calendar's aligned for whoever's gonna be on there would be key right so answering that would be difficult annoying their availability But our goal is to get something you know have them Be able to review documents and give them time to review so when they sit down. So within 10 days of tomorrow I think would be something that we get shoot for, barring that the people that are, you know, that's a problem, you know, the bigger the group and the, it's difficult to get, especially now in the summer. So I think within 10 days gives them the ability to review because these are going to be pretty comprehensive proposals. We would anticipate that touches a lot of things from architecture to economic analysis. And so I would give you that as a guideline. If we can do a sooner grade, but we're mindful of an October date to have this commission take action on a recommendation. It was the first meeting October to be there. Correct. Yeah. And I know it's correct because Commissioner Liebman would have corrected me if I was wrong. Okay. Okay. Do we have an answer on the charty question? No, I can. When have it gone to the... It went last November. November 22, excuse me. It's March 22. It's March 22. It's March 22. I remember, I remember 22, excuse me. Oh yeah, as long as, what do you have it? In the meantime, I think we created three options. Oh, Lord. We like options. I was hoping we get out of here by 10, but I guess that dream did not happen. So all right, first alternate option. The city charter provides for a two-year term for the city's mayor. Shall the charter be amended to increase the term of office for the mayor to four years to be the same as the term of office for city commissioners, beginning with the 2026 Miami election? Okay. Can we write the city charter provides that the mayor's term is half the duration of the commission's terms of commissioners term? Can I just suggest let's find the language of field and then let's talk about what we may want to change to it as opposed to kind of dividing a whole new bunch of scenarios. I think I think you know we maybe I don't remember how it was styled. I think it was I voted for the establishment of a four-year term of office for the city mayor and the question was shall city charter article five section two title general elections paragraph a be a minute to increase the term of office of the mayor from two years to four years. Okay so it doesn't mention yes. So I mentioned. Okay so it's very it's very the office of the mayor from two years to four years. Okay, so it doesn't mention, yeah. It doesn't mention. Okay, so it's very, it's very jargon heavy. So, um. And doesn't even mention to be consistent. Correct. So, okay, let's, let's discard that. We will use that and let's, we want to be alternative. We want to be alternative. I used to get so excited there, but have met past that would just stop. Like I get so excited and catch the ball, it wouldn't run. I would tell you following Commissioner Lehmann's comment, if you say, shall the mayor's term currently set at, you know, should be, which is, you know, what the commission is. I agree. I mean, that's, you know, might be happy. You want to use the same language again? Eight years? Honestly, if I may. I don't know. It might be happy. You want to use the same language again? Eight years? Honestly, if I may. Yes, you may. I don't like the reference to the sections and the charter. There's no need. There's no legal requirement for it. I wouldn't add it. And people don't care. They don't know it's not like they're opening the bulls. So let's talk to the alternatives quickly. Okay. The city charter provides for a two-year term for the city's mayor. Shall the charter be amended to increase the term of office for the mayor to four years to be the same as the term of office for city commissioners? I would reverse that and say shall the mayor's term be increased or be made consistent with the city commissioners for sentence. With the four year term of City Commissioners, yeah, with a four year term of City Commissioners. Well, do you need to do the reference to the current two year term? I don't know, the close't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I would say shall the mayor's term be increased to four years consistent with the term of city commissioners? We have to rate increase to just be made consistent consistent with or set at the same Don't even rate increased Think you need to amend the charter shall the charter be amended to Guys microphones, please you are they way from increase shall the charter be amended to His microphones please you are the way from increase shall the charter be amended To set the mayor's term consistent consistent Perfect Consistent with the commission's term of four years With the commissioners term of four years four years. I mean, we should term twice in the same word. At the same time. One more time, please. Shall the charter be amended to set the mayor's term consistent with the. With a four year term city commissioners or with the city commissioners. I prefer a season word term one less time. Can you just put that of the city commissioners? The term is a good term. So final. What is the fight one more time? Mr. City Attorney. Shall this try to be amended to set the mayor's term consistent with the duration? Oh no no no. With the commissions for your terms. That's I think that's that's that's why one more time. Madam City Chair here can you write that into the record? I always like to think that the word term and sentence are synonymous. I was sent to say it. I'm sorry. It's going to feel like a term four years. I think four years. OK. OK, shall the charter be amended to set the mayor's term consistent with the city commissioners' term of four years? Perfect. All right, we have a motion. Sir, a motion on that language. I'll move it. Okay. And one second. Also, can we tweak the title to reflect that? What is the current title that you're using? The current title is very simple. It reads four-year term of office for city mayor. I think that's fine. Perfect. You could say four-year term of office for city mayor to be the same. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Yes. Vice President Boni? Yes. Commission Cory? Yes. Mr. Kaye? Yes. We are Fernandez. Oh, this is, yes. And it doesn't need to say commence is in 2026. Just add it to the end. Add it to the commencing in 2026. Which revised terms of commencing? No. Okay. I just want to make sure we have our current mayor for four or six more years. Hopefully it's any violation I retract that. No, I don't know if that's campaigning from the day. Do we need to revot or you got it? Okay. With that we're going to say it again. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.