Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. We'll go ahead and get started with the July 16th meeting of the Transportation Energy and Utilities Committee. And we'll start off with introductions starting to my left with Mr. Duane. Afternoon. Bill Delaney with the mayor's office. Amen. We'll have council research. afternoon. Bill Delaney with the mayor's office. Amen. Webe Council Research. Carla Lopez, Office of General Counsel. Edward Lanskey, Counsel Auditor's Office. Got to know, original Gaffin and Junior District 8. Good afternoon, Pat Carlucci at Lorge, four of the great city of Jacksonville. Jacobi Pittman District 10. Well, Lane and District 3. My gay district 10. We'll lay in district three. My gay district two. Good afternoon everyone. Tyrone o'clock Roy district nine. Randy White district wheel just visiting. Thank you and council president I'd like to recognize you for some comments. Thank you. I just want to come down a minute and thank everybody on this committee. I just want to come down a minute and thank everybody on this committee. I'll make sure the first committee, blue zone was in Italy, so nothing will go wrong. Now that's for Jimmy. Don't panic, he's my friend too. He'll understand. He pokes at me too, but anyway, I want to welcome you all. Thank you for the work you do a very important committee And I'm sure Jimmy's over and sure he's listening and Jimmy. We love you. Goodbye Thank you, council president So I want to stop with a few housekeeping items for the year Everyone should have a copy of the committee charge in front of you Certainly not going to read that verbatim but a big picture anything that affects the city of Jacksonville as it pertains to transportation, energy, and utilities should come through this committee as we work on the various bills here through the next year. Public comment, I will allow public comment at the beginning of the meetings. Only on matters that are on the agenda, and I will set a time limit of two minutes for each speaker. With regards to limitation on debate, strongly believe we should do community work in committee. Don't plan on ever setting time limits on debate. That being said, if we get to a point where I'm concerned about finishing the agenda, we may have to change tack there and put some limits on debate times. As far as remaining in seat to speak, the protocol under Roberts rules of orders suggests that the chair removes self from the chair to speak on matters. With the permission of the committee, I intend to hold my comments until the end of discussion both prefer not to change seats unless anyone on the committee object. So does anybody have any concern or objections for that? Okay, thank you. Presentations, certainly open for presentations. My understanding is TEU a lot of times may have a lighter agenda than other committees. If you look at our charge a lot of the independent authorities following our preview as well so certainly if anybody has any areas they'd like to learn more about or request a presentation of deep dialogue on something please contact me or my ECA which can try to arrange specific presentations as the year goes on. And as far as the Sargent Arms, the Sargent Arms receives direction from the chair during committee meetings for this reason order to conduct an orderly meeting. I'm providing the Blenke guidance to the public and to the Sargent Arms specifically. That I request all public speakers wait to be called to the podium. I also direct the Sergeant at Arms to request uninvited public speakers who approach the podium or dies to take a seat until called. And if that person refuses to take their seat, I'm directing the Sergeant at Arms to remove the person from the chamber and this allows us to ensure the safety, security and orally process of the committee meetings. So for the committee, any questions on any of those housekeeping items? The final item is the final item. Exactly. All right, then we'll get started with we'll go through the agenda. So item 1 will be deferred. That's 2040436 and that is to be consistent. This same bill was deferred at neighborhoods and finance. Item 2, 2020 4, 3, 9, we will do a public hearing on this, but it will be deferred also at the request of the developer after that public hearing. Item 3, 2020 4, 5, 7, we'll have a public hearing and then take action on this one. 2020 4, 0, 4, 6, 4, we'll take that up for action. Item 5 will be deferred that's 2040465 and again this is just like the first time this to be consistent because this item was deferred in finance. Item 6 we'll take action on after a public hearing that's 2040467. Item 7 is amended move action item, 2040470 and then we only have one item on second, that's 2040492. So with that, we'll go ahead and start the agenda. So item one, that is 20404. Oh, public comment. How quickly I forgot my own rules here. And it is Mr. Neaney. Oh, do I get to over? It wasn't recording. All right. Hello. I am John philanthropic, resiliency, new neo-totrace, and co-says, Basqueam Road. B, as in blazing. A, S, as in saddles. C, O, M, as in movie. Blazing saddlesdles the movie. Well now we're going to have blazing paddles on Pottsburg Creek. And I'm wearing my Todd Rubenshire. Now, you know, this is J.S.E.B. stuff. You know, we are now able to make a movie in the state of Florida. It could be a movie, a documentary, a commercial. You know, it are now able to make a movie in the state of Florida. It could be a movie, a documentary, a commercial. You know, it could be a sitcom. And so as far as agenda items, I will be addressing agenda item six. You know, and there's a public hearing, and I'll fill out a card on that. I'm just down to a minute. But, you know, as far as even agenda item six, you know, it has to do with a park, you know, and you know, what I just want to share with all of you is, you know, I've been in so many different meetings and let me just share with you, you know, there's resiliency stuff, but I'm in this four times, not once, four times. And this is October, 2023. And you can ask, Darrell Joseph, Jill Lynn, Sandra Fettner, when it came to public access, 90% of all the waterways in DCJ, DuVol County, Jacksonville is private. Only 10% is public. And according to our parks guy, we're not getting new stuff for two years, but yet we've got it in flux, you know, in this county that is unmatched anywhere in the state. So I wanna be one of the biggest cheerleaders, I'm at seven seconds, and let's just tell the world, visit Jacksonville, especially on our waterways. Thank you for listening. Thank you Mr. D.D., our next sentence, Woods. My name is Lerinka Sandra Woods, W-O-O-D-S. I reside at 600 North Washington Street. My father is Mars Rincol Sounder Woods, W-O-O-D-S. I reside at 600 North Washington Street. My father is Mars at West Jr. Henry, Edith DeAnnis is spouse and my mother. I'm here because I'd like to talk about in the future item number six, which is 2024-0467. I have a great deal of concern over what is the denatural assailment of the environment here in Jacksonville. I just saw some things today, the river, the waterways concern me, as well as some of the construction. And it's known that we are on a, we live at, we reside atop an ismas and they are digging to great depths and opening up what we're seeing. Excuse me, that's what's, that's what's, I'd like to I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not into removing the real waste either if they can be kept part of the natural beauty of this environment and that's what I like to address. Thank you, Ms. Woods. I do want to point out that item number six does have a separate public hearing time for that one as well. Yes, thank you. I believe that is it for our speaker carts. So we'll start the top of the agenda. Item 1 is 2040436 that is deferred. Item 2, 2040439, I will open the public hearing and I do not believe we have any speaker cards on that so that'll be continued at the next TE meeting on August 6th. For now that item is deferred at the request of the developer. Item 3, 2040457, I will open up this public hearing. I believe I have to close the public hearing before we can move it, correct? Okay, we do have one comment card, Mr. David Cautn, I believe. Good afternoon to the Chair, Dave Cautn, with Swiss're just here to answer any questions you have on the bill. Thank you. With no more comment cards, I'm going to close the public hearing. I have a motion and a second on the bill. Are there any questions? I see my queue is not up actually. I'll ask you. Is anybody in the queue or can I open the ballot? Are there any questions? I see my queue is not up actually. I'll ask, is anybody in the queue or can I open the ballot? Okay, no one is in the queue. Let's open the ballot. I'm going to move on to item number 4, 2040464. We have a motion and a second on this. I believe I saw Mr. Williams if you want to come down just to give the quick summary you gave and finance just for the committee members here. We'll wait until public works. We're moving this money just to get the cards for three locations. Meridian, both locations and the city locations for the urban core and the 400 and say 400 and 5000 for a temp labor and that's to cover our cause for having temp labor come in when we have people that's not coming in to work. Thank you Mr. Williams. Councilwoman Clark-Marie, you're recognized. Thank you, Chair. Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor. I use how you're doing today. Considering that this bill is for replacing recycled carts, will the carts that are existing be collected? Is there a process for that? Carts that need existing be collected? Is there a process for that? Carts that need to be collected. Yes, so hopefully I'm thinking the right thing. So we're talking about the carts that are at people's homes. Yes, so carts that people are calling in, needing new carts or replacing for repair. So through the chair, so this is not a kind of a all urban core replacement. This is a matter of those who call in and they say that they need one. So when they say that they need one, then you go out and replace it. That's how this is working. And this is not just for the organ core. It's for Meridian, both of their locations. Meridian one, Meridian two, and the City of Jacksonville Service Series. Yes, through the chair. I do understand that. I just want to give an example. So once again, it's not picking up all everybody's recycle cart because I was thinking I was going to get a new recycle cart. Oh, you're not. So I can mind these. But you could. But you could. You could. All right. thank you. Thank you chair. All right. That's when gay you're recognized Thank you, Mr. Chair through the chair mr. Williams appreciate all y'all do One of the biggest complaints I get about these trash cans is the way they're handled and if we can really have that discussion with Meridian that's who mainly services our area. I've been getting a lot of complaints about how they're handled and damage it, this inflicted on from handling. So hopefully we can slow down the damage and not have to spend as much in the future, but appreciate all you do. Thank you. Absolutely. That's when Gaffney recognized. And through the chair, too, Mr. Williams, to my colleague point, what is actually the process in terms of if a constituent trash can or a recycle being braids? Sometimes they call me one of my office. Do we reach out to you guys? Are we reach out to Mayor Rideon? Do we reach out to someone else? Are we having this work? So the process hasn't changed to Councilman Gaffney. Anytime, any damage, any replacement, it goes through 630 City. It comes through us so we can monitor it. Don't call me, Rideon. Don't call anybody else. Call us. I never do it. I appreciate that. Thank you. All right. All right. I have no else in the queue. Please open the bell. Six years, your names. Our actions have approved 2020 464. I have number five is deferred. That's 2020 464. 6. I have number six. 2020 464. 6. 7. I will open the public hearing. The first card is Mr. Wyman Duggan. I believe everyone gets three minutes first too since this is a public hearing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon. It feels like I'm at the first day of school with this new carpet. I wasn't going to speak, but because clearly some other folks are going to speak, I'll just give you some background. So Panther Creek is an existing subdivision of many years duration off of Chafee Road. It was built sometime in the last 15, 20 years as a golf course community. It had some economic difficulties. It kind of stalled out about three, three, four years ago my client purchased it, purchased some land in the back, redeveloped the golf course into new homes. As part of that, to PUD, to PUD rezoning, they changed the intersection of the main internal access road with Chafee Road to line up with Falkland Road. So that now you have a nice T intersection rather than an offset intersection which your traffic people tell you is less safe. They also, my client, the developer, the applicant of this application, also put in at its expense the traffic signal there and then got some reimbursement from the city but it was able to accelerate that work off of the city's work plan. So the city got a benefit from that, and they also got the traffic operational improvement. As part of the, you know, so they built a new alignment. What this application does is close the old alignment with Chafee Road to a certain point back in the subdivision where it meets the new road. So there's a short section of internal subdivision road that's gonna be closed, turned into an internal passive subdivision park. That is the purpose of this application. We'll see what Mr. Noony has to say. Thank you Mr. Daga, Mr. Noony Eura. I love that guy. All right. Hello. I am John philanthropic resiliency new neocho tracing was says bascom be as in blazing as in Saddles, C.O.M. as in Movie. So blazing paddles. Okay, now, a little legislation. Yeah, 2020-0467, closing and banning or disclinging a portion of a certain right away within the city, no inclusion open and improved portion of the Panther Creek Parkway, established in the plot of Panther Creek Phase 1. As recorded, the request of the Panther Creek Preserve LLC, subject to reservations under the City and J.E.A. and all utilities facilities and access easement and reservations provide for approval subject to conditions. Councilman White and this is Wilson Request of the Mayor and you know you have Renee Hunter, real estate, a member Stephanie Birch. And right here, what prompted me to come up? Closure, requested a constructive pass of park. Now, if this is the golf course, I'd probably played on that thing years ago. And so, you know, I'm just down to a minute 48. But the key here is, and what I'm gathering is that now you have a private development. You know, that is, you know, what I have, I believe, and what I'm interpreting will be a private passive park. So there's nothing wrong with that on the surface. So, you know, again, what I would hope that you would consider, or keep in mind going forward with anything that is up for consideration. You know, this is passive. What we really need is active recreational access. So, you know, I'm in complete support of it. But the key here is when you see with, you see with the conditions and how this has been structured and everything else, nothing wrong. But just understand that the public access to our waterways throughout the county were getting crushed. So I'm in support of it. And I just welcomed this opportunity. I'm excited about the leadership with, our new council president, White. He is definitely overseeing the quality of life and with the leadership going forward. But really keep in mind, access and the opportunity that you as the legislative body have to ensure it for everyone. Thank you for listening. Thank you, Mr. Ninny. No other speaker cards. I'll close this part of the hearing. Can I get a motion? Councilwoman Clark, where are you recognized? Councillor Wong-Plaar, you're recognized. Thank you, Chair. Mr. Duggins, if you would come back up. Good afternoon to you. Just one quick question. The bill that's before us, it does not affect any waterway if my understanding is correct. Yes, simple yes, yes or no? There's a chairman. No, it does not. Thank you, Mr. Deckons. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. I have no one else in the queue. Please open the ballot. Six years, your names. Fire actions will be approved. 2020 4-0-4-0467. 204, I'm sorry, moving on to item number 7. 204-047-0. I kind of get a motion on the amendment. Mr. Linsky, could you explain the amendment, please? Yes, sir. Through chair of the Committee, the amendment attaches the award grant letter from the United States Department of Energy and also correct the scriptes of Scribner's item. Thank you. I have no one in the queue. All those in favor of the amendment please say aye. I all pose say nay. The amendment passes. I have no one in the queue but Mr. Jeffrey did you want to come up just to give a quick one or I'm sorry Mr. Hicks come up just give the one or two minute summary for us. Good afternoon, through the Chair, committee members, Joshua Hicks, Neighborhoods Department. So this legislation is $845,350 in grant funding from the United States Department of Energy through their energy, efficiency, and conservation block grant program. It's the fund, JIAs JAAs restore repair and resiliency program. So a little background on how this program happened. It was a project and proposal that came from a conversation between JAA and lift jacks. They actually did a pilot program 15 houses last year before they even applied for the grant to qualify for this grant. That's why it starts in historic east side. Through that pilot program with lift jacks and JAA, this grant became available. The ECBG grant, so they applied for it, but they needed the city's backing to be able to apply. Where the ones who apply, they become the subrecipient. We transfer the money to them as they spend it so that they can expend the funds for the program. Attempts to expand this program in the future will be made through additional grant funding. We're working on one right now with EPA. We're working on one with a with other grant opportunities to make this grant program a countywide initiative that doesn't just focus on historic east side but is also available for other districts and other areas in the county. Should we get more federal funding for it? But the reason why this program started with the 96 qualified homes is those homes were identified through JAA and through LIFJACs as ones who met the energy efficiency standards or didn't meet the standards that they needed to meet in order to qualify for this program. Because of that, we're able to help 110 homes, 76 through this program, but we're leveraging resources through lift jacks, through the historic east side CDC, and our housing department through our rehab and repair program to make sure that we can get at least 110 homes done. And then there's a chance, as in the finance meeting, Councilman Areas mentioned, there's a chance to add about another 11 homes because we're not actually spending the $65,000 in contractor money that was in this grant because JAA has already had to spend that to move the program forward. They can't get reimbursed for that because they can only get reimbursed once this program passes the council. So that's the gist of the program. It's going to help provide about $5,800 per house for energy efficiency standards. Some will have less. Those that need more will be directed to other programs like Lift Jacks, Historic East Side CDC. And anyone who is currently on our waiting list for repairs and rehab will be directed to the housing division to do all of the energy efficiency program work, including the repairs on their house as identified in those zip codes. As councilwoman Pittman asked for in the last finance meeting, we're going to provide her a listing of all the properties as well as a map so that y'all, and I'm happy to share that with the entire council or committee if need be, so that you have a general idea of where and historic east side this program will support. Thank you, Mr. Hicks. If you could maybe share that with the entire T.E. Committee when you get that together. We would love that. Thanks. Mr. Gaffney, you're recognized. Please add as a co-sponsor. Thank you, Mr. Gaffney. I have no one else in the queue, the bill. Ms. Pittman, you're recognized. I'd like to be added as well. Thank you. Okay I'd like to be at it as well. Thank you. Okay, so known in the queue we have the bill moved as amended. Please open the ballot. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hicks. Six years, zero nays. Byer actions we approve, 2020 4, 0, 4, 7, 0. That takes us to our one item that is on second for next time, 24-0-4-9-2. And unless anybody else on the committee has anything, we will, Mr. Carly, to your recognize. Mr. Hicks, still here? I am. Okay. I just, something that this committee should be aware of and it's been something that has been on my mind for a long time and we try to correct it a few years ago but couldn't quite get there. But Josh, what I'm talking about is the cost of garbage fee collection. Our garbage fee does not pay for that collection in full, so we have to borrow money from the general fund. And so at one point it was a $13 million loan now because we didn't tackle it last time. It's gonna be $60 to $90 million. It's a monster. I've just wanted to ask through the chair to Mr. Hicks. You may not know this, but this is an important issue for I think this committee to know and to understand is the mayor have any plans to address this issue of the fee in the amount of the loan because it's becoming almost pension-esque. You know, so I wanted to ask the administration if Josh does. And if you don't, no problem, just wanted to bring it up forward the committee's attention and give the administration a chance to speak to it. Through the chair to Councilman Carlucci, I do not know the answer to that. I would defer to Bill Delaney for the administration's viewpoint on that. And or I'm always happy to work with Bill and Scott to get with the administration to get to an answer, but no, I do not know an answer on that. And I guess I'll ask Mr. Linsk, I don't know if you've gotten to that little detail yet. I assume there's no adjustment made in the trash fee and the budget submitted to us at this point in time, but that may be something worth looking into and getting us an answer the next few days just to confirm that our Mr. Delaie made that answer right now. I don't have the answer, but I am happy to get it and get back with you. Okay, I think that'd be a good starting point for us just to know what the budget has submitted as soon as the grant. Mr. Carly-Chi. That would be good information to know what the actual cost of the garbage fee is. And just to add, there is a process that the city has to go through because the garbage fee is on the Avallorm bill, but it's a non-advalorment assessment. But you still have to go through a process where you can't just raise the fee. You've got to let the community know, and that's a mailer that sent out that the fee is going to be studied and we're reviewing the rates and so forth. And then once that information comes back, we act and I think there may be another notice that has to go out to the city as well, but there is a process that's taken place. I think it may have changed over the last few years. Maybe Mr. LePera would know, Mr. Chair. Mr. Linsky, you're recognized. Mr. Linsky, you're recognized. Sorry. I cannot address Councillor McCartney's question, but in regards to the upcoming 2425 budget, there is no fee increase. I just got information from Kim Taylor. That was very concerning that first. So the point I was trying to make is we couldn't increase the fee this time around anyway, because we have to go through a noticing, is makes it a very transparent way of working with the community and the community understanding the little bit that we're in. But once that fee is raised, it'll have to be raised and maybe a little bit more than the service fee and then that $60, $70, $80 million can be paid off over so many different years. But when we eventually, as we pay that off, that's money that goes right back into the general fund that can be used for parks, streets, roads, drainage, any type of thing. But I've just kind of's a little bit of a drainage. Any type of thing, but I've just kind of sounding a little bit of an arm that we need to get our arms around this and it has been on my mind for many years and we I tried it back in 2020. I think it was and we weren't able to get it done. Perhaps I didn't do a good enough job with it, but I tried. And I don't want, I think this committee needs to know about that. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Carly. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hicks. Thank you. Okay, then we are adjourned. you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you