Okay. Okay. Are we ready to end our recess? Okay. Good. Let me just start with Commissioner Forma. I had something I wanted to say. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for recognizing me. You know, in the interest of time in doing this properly and with respect to the developer, we have a couple of other items that need to be heard this evening from the clerk's office, from water, and I believe from our manager's office as well. And- You have the millage. Yeah, the millage, yes, that's from the manager's office. So my suggestion is with respect to what we also said in reference to not having any conversation on this item. Mr. Manager, I would suggest that we bring this item back the next meeting and then we do those three items that are of importance today that we have a timeline on. I should say through the Mayor. We have a timeline on those three items. I would suggest that we do those three items and move this item to the next meeting and give them enough time to really have a chance to have some dialogue. Yeah, I mean, more likely than not if you started doing it, you end up having to stop you anyway. So it's probably best to go ahead and tape until next time, until next meeting. Can the attorney give us guidance on how we do that while we're in quasi judicial? Well, you certainly have the privilege of deferring an item to a time certain, continuing into a time certain, same thing, those mean the same thing. The important thing is that if you're inclined to do that, that's the pleasure of the commission. But you have to specify the time and date when it will be so that it does're inclined to do that, that's the pleasure of the commission, but you have to specify the time and date when it will be so that it does not have to be re-advertised. If you specify that it will be heard on X date at whatever time the meeting begins, then it does not have to be re-advertised. Anybody who's interested in the item presumably is here or watching or will review the results of this and find that out. Otherwise it would have to be re-advertised. So Mr. Mayor and following our attorney's advice do you want me to make that motion? Is it okay to make that motion? Okay, make the motion. I'd like to make a motion that we defer this item to a time certain which is our next city commission meeting on the date of August 27th voted earlier on that August 27th beginning at 6 p.m. Is your next regular city council meeting city commission meeting per the vote you took earlier. So I'd like to make that motion Okay, for discussion Take your head for discussion Mr Attorney tell me what would be the negative tier client besides if they have to come back? And so I need to know what kind of detrimental. Well with anything, it's important to get an approval so you can move forward with the permits, you know, for the actual building of the project. So, you know, we definitely understand that there's no one planned to fire alarm and you have that to be determined. You can't say that. For the record, there was an actual electrical fire. I mean, I don't even know if we could finish it in less than a minute. Well, I'm not going to say, yeah, I would be worried that you couldn't even do that. And for sure, there's a couple items that we have to hear. So I mean, unless we're like willing to go way past midnight. I'll say it. I'll say it. Two way up. Two way up. You know what? I'm willing to stay to hear the. And he's got a whole room full of people. I'm certainly willing to stay if we have to. So are you willing to stay and listen to everything else that we have to have? Yeah, there's three items. I heard. I think you have no idea. What are the items that we need to have? Could you take those other city items first and see if there's a will to be heard for this evening? We can give this wait. I mean, the other thing also is that we could try to vote later, see if anybody wants to extend, you know, the meeting at all. Mayor, since you have a motion in a second, the motion in a second can simply agree to defer their motion for right now while we've had with business. So if we come back to it, it's still beyond the table, but, you know, you don't have to actually withdraw, just set it aside for now and move on with your business. Well, if I may through the mayor, there was some concerns already expressed on this item from IC and that of Commissioner Jean. I don't know if any other commissioners had expressed any issues, but we've typically since this new council come on, have not gone past midnight. And after all of this that just happened, going past midnight is not something I'm interested in doing. And I really want to get the opportunity to speak to these developers and their team on this project, significant density, in a corner that is already experiencing a project. I think that's coming probably not too far from there. There's a church there having had the opportunity to speak to any of the members of the church to see how they feel. There's a lot to process here. And to rush it, it might, you're right. We may be able to get it done. We possibly will be able to vote in the affirmative. I don't know that I can do that in my seat. As a collective, I don't know what would happen, but I don't think it's fair to rush an item like this. So that's why I wanted to differ to the next meeting, and we can take up the other three items that are time sensitive. And I want to give them an opportunity not to, you know, give them a, given the circumstances, give them a bad shake. That's not their fault to begin with. And give them the opportunity to really communicate with the colleagues that, and myself, like I said, I didn't receive any, and even the mayor said that he didn't receive any, of course, any information about this project prior to. So that's why I felt like it was apropos to second it. So. Mr. Mayor, if I may just add, the principal, the owner of this project is going to be developing it will not be here next month, so we would appreciate the opportunity since we're all here this evening. If you have the opportunity in the will, we'd like to at least take an opportunity to present. And we feel that with an even abbreviated presentation, we can explain the project in full so that you're all aware of what we have to offer and how it'll benefit the city. Well, I'm willing to listen to our other items first and if there's time, listen to this. Right. Mr. Attorney. This is absolutely the pleasure of the commission and whatever collectively you think is appropriate. So I'm not trying to suggest what you should or shouldn't do in any way, but if you determine that you're not going to be able to hear the project in full and act on it, maybe you can. But if you make that determination, you certainly have the privilege of beginning the item. And if the principal is present and wants to be heard at the beginning of the meeting, and you can, you know, adjourn the item midway through, and not have the gentleman who cannot come back, at least to give him the opportunity, he come before you to hear him in person. You engage in asking for it. Exactly. You begin the item and then just adjourn the item to the next meeting. But that would be, you don't have to do that. But it is a courtesy you could choose to accept. That is a good idea. Mr. Amster. Of course I made the motion. I want to be able to. So if we were to, we have to go through these other items real quick. If we can go and start hearing it, but whoever, if you had out of town, people that were here and you wanted us to start hearing the item. Have those individuals come and speak right away, and then in just in the event that we can't get it done, then that would be one option instead of having to bring them back from out of town. No, I appreciate that. And thank you, everyone, for trying to be helpful in this situation. Having it half heard now and then restarted, it's likely going to be inadequate for appropriate, you know, review and discussion. But is there an opportunity if we are going to be because of the time and your other items for tonight to actually be heard in August, but to have it be earlier on the agenda so that we don't run the risk of possibly having a... Well, short of the fire alarm, it wouldn't have been a problem. Well, I mean, that isn't that usually the case when something's deferred, you hear it at the beginning anyway. Yeah, it's your first, it'll be the first quasi-judicial. Yeah. Once it's deferred, you the first. And by the way all the more reason we're if someone is not going to be able to return all the more reason why you might begin because certainly an item that's already in progress is automatically going to be advanced on the agenda. Quick question. When you say advance on the agenda I want to make sure I'm understanding what their request is because there's a difference between being the first qu first quasi judicial item and the first item after the consent agenda. I'm assuming you understand the first quasi judicial. Is that what you're asking? No, the first item on the agenda. It's a continuation of the meeting. The first issue would be the first thing after consent agenda. Okay, perfect. Yeah, but we're still going to have consent agenda first. No way. Yeah, consent agenda. And then there'll be public comment. But I mean, it's for the general public comment will come first. It's still before all legislation, but it would be the first quasi judicial. And before you sit down, can we have an opportunity just to meet the gentleman that's the head of the project? Well, are they going to be here next time? No. Well, yeah, we're going to make sure to change travel plans and the like so that our team can be here again on the point of that. Oh, he is going to come back. Who is thank you? Who is that person? Raising his hand there, Raphael Peckio. Thank you, Raphael. We're sorry. It's an old building and sometimes it falls apart. And I think you should assure commission or smuggler that cow is not going anywhere because I saw it in the rendering. So it's still going to be there. And looking forward to interaction between the interim. That's being key. First cow on the. All right, so we do have a Mr. American cow project. Mr. Mayor, we do have that motion in second. First, Cal on the, on the floor. His name. All right, so we do have a Mr. American Cal project. Mr. Mayor, we do have that motion in second. Yeah, okay. So, as well, well, there's no amendment right now. Right. Right now, we're just going to table it. Well, the amended would be, if you're going to amend it, that it would be not just date certain, but that it would be the first project That's the amendment. All right, so I'm going to amend the motion for our attorneys recommendation that we will defer this item to a time certain, which is our next city commission meeting. And that August 27th, 6 p.m. And that this item will be the first quasi-judicial item to be heard. I second the vice mayor's. Okay, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passage unanimously. Okay, thank you. Sorry guys. Second the vice mayor's okay all in favor say aye aye any opposed Passage unanimously, okay. Thank you. Sorry guys All right, so next is gonna be we're gonna we're gonna take the other items out of order just to Play it safe So next time you'll 11 11.1 11 1 114? You told me 114 you won first. 114. Yeah. Thank you. Yep. Okay. All right. So Mayor. Yes. I'm sorry. I hate to disagree with my esteemed colleague, the manager, but you might actually have a bunch of stuff to say about millage. And I think your elections thing will go like. Oh, the. Okay. and I think your elections thing will go like. Oh, the motion to introduce. All right, we can do that. So we're ready to make the motion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're introducing the motion. Jay, what's one of your most many? Mayor said one thing and the turn is good. Okay, we're gonna hear 11. We're gonna hear 11 one first. Ordinance number 2024, dash 05. Is this this is first reading? Second reading. No, it's a second reading. Yeah, second reading. I thought we did it last time. Approving the change of candidate qualifying dates and runoff election dates introduced by the city court. And ordinance of the mayor and city commission is city and North Miami Beach for our demanding section 4.1 of the city charter to change the runoff election date and demanding section 4.3 of the city charter to change the qualifying registration period for city commission elections, providing for codification, conflict, scrimmage, or severer ability, and providing for an effective date. I will remind you that the runoff change does not go into effect for this cycle. It only changes next year, but the qualifying date changes right now. Motion to approve. Second. Okay. Public comments and orange. Yeah. We need public hearing. But nobody really wants to speak on it. I'm sorry. Yes, we are. No, because then only had three chances. He's out or chances. Okay, motion. All right. So Madam Clerk, public comment. We got at least an answer. He said he wasn't going to speak. But there's nobody right? All right. No one came forward. So we'll let the record reflect that no one came forward. And public comments closed. Call the vote. Any comment from commissioners? Okay, then we need a motion and a second to approve in the motion. Okay, great the motion. Yeah, you got the motion and we got the second. Call the roll call please. Commissioner Smith. Yes, Commissioner Smockler. Yes, Commissioner Jean. Yes, Commissioner Joseph. Yes. Commissioner Jean? Yes. Commissioner Joseph? Yes. Vice Mayor Floyd-Mont? Yes. Mayor Evan Piper? Yes. Thank you. Passes 6-0. Good. So we're going. 11-4. Okay. So I need a motion to second introduce 11-4. Motion. Okay. And Mr. Attorney? Okay. 11-4. Item. Resolution number R2024, the Ash 79, fiscal year 2025 proposed milled rate introduced by Ms. Taylor, the assistant finance director, resolution of the mayor and city commission is city of North Manganese for artist establishing a proposed milled rate. Good levy in a bad word taxes for the city of North Manganese Beach for fiscal year 2024-25. Commencing October 1st, 2024. The calculated rollback rate and the daytime place. The daytime and place. Oh, thank you. And the daytime and place for the first and second public budget hearings as required by the Royal Directing City Quirk and City Manager to transmit this resolution to the property appraisers Miami date counting pursuant to the requirements of section 2.00.065, and the rules and regulations of the Department of Revenue for the State of Florida providing for implementation and providing for effective date. Okay, Mr. Manager. Mayor, thank you. We had a workshop last week with regards to the milledrate. The agenda was already published. And so the current proposed milledrate, which is a cap, it is a rate that cannot go over, but it can always go down. the committee is going to have a discussion about the commission. The committee is going to have a discussion about the commission. The committee is going to have a discussion about the commission. The committee is going to have a discussion about the commission. The committee is going to have a discussion about the commission. proposed currently is still the 6.7 rate so you would have to make an amendment to that lower mark for approval. Additionally I believe there was a conversation on changing one of the dates for the public hearing on September. The second hearing to be on September 25th. No, the 25th. We are changing that day. I think it was original, though, the 24th. To make for the convenience of some of the 25th. Yes. September 10th and September 25th. Yes. 25th? 25th. Yep, 25th. Yes. 25. So you need a motion? Okay. We need to know what number is first of all. Is it two separate motions? No. No. They don't have to be. We can wrap it together. So, okay. So in other words, what we need to do here is first agree upon a number that would be the milledrate cap. The cap, correct. The cap. And then we have to vote on it once we agree on what that number is. Or if someone can make a motion that assert in milledrate and say they want to approve at the milledrate of whatever. Whatever. And then we can either, you know, either pass us or fails. Correct. So do we introduce this item and then we can either, you know, either passes or fails. Correct. So do we introduce this item and then through the discussion, we come up with a number? It's already been introduced. It's been introduced. We made a motion to introduce this already? Yeah, we're already done. So, and then you've already produced it. So we do need to do public comment. So, correct, Madam Clerk? Yes. Okay, so let's do the public comment. We should probably do the public comment right now. Would you? I think that's a way to go. And then we can go discuss from there. Did you read the title? I did. If you'd like to speak on the item, please come forward. Good the . . Good trace. . The initial last year milledry was 6.1. We raise it to 6.7. The property appraisers increased our value of the properties by 12%. So how much money are we getting with the extra 12% increase? And what we have to be doing, we have to be living within our means and standards. What we've been doing, we've been hiring like true vendors. Everything, you hire true vendors, black and fish. Right now I pointed out to you, even if. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the station. I'm going to go to the air. No, I'm looking at it. Sure, don't be attention. Sure. I can look up and look at it. Sure, no worries. It's incredible that I can do. Okay. But can you walk it to go? I can walk it to go. Okay. Mr. Kuzan, you guys finish? Yeah. So what we've been doing is living the police vendors since last year I heard Commissioner Smith, Commissioner for Tunis Mcclaugh said that they wanted a community development director. Over one year the guy came here April the 11th 2023 he's still here with us. I have not seen anybody advertise for this position on our website, excuse me. We pay their company $250 an hour and he works for part-time 15 hours a week or the company, whomever the company sends. We used to be having a slew of community development directors from way back when all the way through. And I know who to vote for, come November. And that is what we are being doing. Instead of us being very smart with our money, we just have a vendor that becomes our dear friend and we only know how to hire through him. I know the vote for November, no problem. He's doing some work. I have enough water. Yes, thank you. It's true gentlemen. New meaning to the public service. We can walk to that is where it's full of right. Thank you very much. It didn't work. We can't be sorry. Okay. All right. So, anyone else who wanted to come forward to speak on this item? Let the record reflect that no one came forward and public comment is closed. All right. Commissioner Discussion. Who wants to go first? I'll go first. Okay. All right. There's three things I want to say about this. Number one, the goal has always been to lower the millage rate every year. I'll go first. Okay. All right, there's three things I want to say about this number one. The goal has always been to lower the millage rate every year. That's part of taking care of our residents. But the big thing is if you look at your package, you've got a letter from a letter from Pedro Garcia, property of Fraser, and in that letter, he is asking every one of the municipalities. As you start to this difficult task, and adopting the millage rate, I urge you to consider a reduction of your millage rate in order to help our residents. in order to help our residents so that they can cause a long long issue. And that was, I don't know, anybody else saw that, but I... I think he sends that every year. Yeah. He sends that letter every year. So I just want to make that clear because he does send that every year to do that. I just feel... The third thing I want to say is I feel that a lot of our residents are bleeding and I feel that this might be the year where that we have to stop talking about cutting expenses and stop talking about spending money and we have to do it to take care of our residents. Thank you. Okay, anyone else? Yeah, actually. actually I can't. Councillor Johnnie, will you? You better ready to go. Thank you. I'm Mr. Mayor. I wanted to say, so if the, if their ceiling is kept at 6.7, that doesn't necessarily mean to end back in September. We can't bring the millage back to or lower it or what have you, right? Correct. Commissioner correct. All that does is you can always adopt the millage below that cap. You can never go above the same. Commissioner correct. All that does is you can always adopt the millage below that cap you can never go above the cap. So again, it was proposed to give you all the flexibility to have the discussions as needed. At the workshop you all kind of related that ceiling was maybe a little bit too uncomfortable for you all. If you adopt a millage, whether it's keeping it flat at 6-1 or whatever, after tonight, you wouldn't be able to go above that in the budget discussion. The current budget that you have set as related to the departments, is it based on the 6.7 or the 6.6? Look, current. the departments, is it based on the 6.7 or the 6.6 point with current? So we're looking at expenditures regardless of the milledrate. We're trying to bring that down. We're starting off first looking at everything from just having a very high performance organization down to keeping the expenditures down to the bare bones as well. And so we're trying to identify and see what are those priorities, where those align. Sometimes we might say there's various, this year we went through five or six different audits. I think it's five audits. And so there's some things that were required to do in order to do that. That might put more emphasis in one department over another one, right? And so we're looking at it individually and we have pressures. We have the Miami Gardens lawsuit. We have the additional funding for Washington Park. We have increases in inflation with regards to medical and liability insurance. We have the increase in labor costs as well. We have the short form, the police pension, that right there you're talking about almost 10 to $15 million. That's up all. How about the GL increase? General liability insurance increases. That's going to be about $500,000 this year. That's half a million bucks. So that's the increase. That's why when proposing a cap, I wanted to give you all the, and I presented these pressures in the slide on Tuesday, give you all the flexibility to say where do we need to be, where do we feel comfortable as a commission and for this community? So we give you a cap. We'll be working off the cap, or we try to get as low as get below it, at least a piece, some of the concerns that we have as commissioners and as residents. To be completely honest, commissioner depends on what the cap is. If you give me a cap of 5'9, I'm going to go all the way to five nine no I understand that I'm just saying like six one only gives us an additional three million dollars in revenue over over what we get currently in fiscal year 24 that's that's only addressing one and a half items of what I just listed. Let me say this too because when we talk about lawsuits, initially you told us that you were going to provide financial options for us as a relative. Even though the first tranche is due on October, you mentioned that you were going to provide us a financial option. It's out on the street right now for bit Okay, so in essence we were not looking for short towards we don't know if we're gonna look towards a general fund towards Reserve or what have you right because you're out for bit on what financial options So when we're talking about the conversation of the millage right now when you put out to the public that the We're talking about the conversation of the millage right now. When you put out to the public that the ceiling is 6.7, what does that mean for the resident? Other than optimal services, what does that mean for them? So again, it's a cap so that you have that option to decide whether you want to stay at a 6.1 or you might want to consider a 6.2 or a 6-3 all the way up to the 6-7. You're talking about at a 6-7, I don't have the list in front of me right, well, give me one second. I believe- 5 million dollars costs on 4,000, 157. The 6.7 gives you instead of a $30 million ad valour, you're getting $35 million. So I mean, in layman's terms, right? What does that mean for the resident? When we increased a millage? We had some, I think you had some. The one that said $5 million. That showed based on the assessed value of your property. Right. How much it would be going. Right. That would be very much on the on the lower side spectrum. $120, I think, or $150 for a lower assessed tax. Right. For, so we gave several examples ranging from and thank you. I think that's where you were trying to go and I apologize. I didn't cut on to that. And so we gave four examples, four or five examples, going from 150,000 assessed valued home all the way up to five million, five million. And essentially that ranged on the low end, $120 difference between one year and the next. There was five brand on the five million dollar home. And basically they would be paying more if their millage goes higher. Technically, that's what the only way they don't put on the record that the only way a resident doesn't pay more is if you go to the rollback rate. Which is 5.4 or 5.5. Because the property value goes up. So the higher the stealing, the higher the amount is basically what we're saying. If we approve that high ceiling. If we approve the high ceiling, we have the option to raise up to that amount. It doesn't mean we have to agree to go to that amount. Sure, sure I get that. And I think the problem is, is that we don't really have enough information right now to know what we really need to do. I mean, obviously we don't, we don't have the information to decide it's going to come down to if we have to give up things or cut back things, are you going to be more comfortable cutting out certain services or what have you versus raising the the milled rate whatever amount it is? That's going to be the balance at the end of the day. But we don't really know what that is yet because this kind of comes first and then the real rubber hitting the road comes later. So is that help? we all rubber hitting the road comes later. So is that help? For the most part, that's accurate. But we can build the budget to the will of the commission. If your tell me keep it at 6-1, we'll work towards a 6-1. If you're telling me we wanna put the cap at 6-1, but we want you to build the budget to a lower number, we'll do that. We'll work to whatever the commission decides. Conversations become harder the lower you go, but we can definitely make that happen. Right. Just the only, the warning of the other side is is that if he comes back, as I can, we can keep it at 6.1, but now there's no summer camp. You know, that's going to be a decision. Those are the kind of things that would you agree those are the kind of things that we could be facing and those are the decisions that make. So now on the other hand, if you're like, well, we can cut out summer camp, we'd rather if we put the milled jump point two more than where we are and it costs, it costs, you know, that the lower end of the assessed value, it's another 40 or $50 a month. Maybe we could say, okay, for that, a year, sorry, a year, we can, you know, balance that and say, maybe it's worth that, maybe it is worth that little bit the same job. Those are the decisions. What did we cap it last year? 6-1. So we've got to cap it. That's what we capped it? Yes, sir. Yeah. I think last year, what we did was we put the number at what we expected to keep it at. We didn't do the whole while well, we're gonna go higher and then if we don't need to, we'll bring it back down. And if I remember there was a litany of a group of people that were here saying don't raise the milledrate. So we kept it at six, one. At six, one. It's possible, go down to five, not. Correct. So, and we didn't touch it. We couldn't. Yeah. So, I mean, sorry, good afternoon. No, like I said, it's the top line that comes out when you say, because the county is keeping it on a flat rate, right? That's what proposed by county mayor. They're keeping out of the flat. Keep it in flat. Yeah. The county. But also when you look at the counties forecasting, they're running a deficit. But they're also for the numbers. They're able to play a little bit easier because the numbers make up any of those type of differences and stuff like that. So they're able to play a little bit easier because the numbers make up any of those type of differences and stuff like that. So they're able to kind of offset, it's almost like there are rates on any of the utilities. Why are they cheaper? Because they're spreading it over 400,000 customers, not 10,000 customers or 40,000 customers. So it's a much different kind of conversation that they're able to spread it out. Overall, they have a lot more services that they have to do and they are running a deficit this year. But they're still talking about billions. So I'm looking at the from last year the ad Valar analysis that was given to us. And I kept it because this was really educating to me, to see it, and I kept it in my bag, because I always wanted to have it at a commission meeting. And I remember I said these exact words last year. From a 6.1 to a 5.9 on a home that's assessed $400,000, the $6.1 to $5.9 on a home that's assessed $400,000. The impact on the home owner is $70 difference going from a $5.9 to a $6.1 but to the city, to the impact on the general fund is almost a million dollars. So, you know, we have to, yes, we're going to be saving the residents some money, but when it's $70 to one resident, but yet it's almost a million dollars to the city, that's a big difference. You know, we need the money as well. We need to, not even for, you, you know, like you all said, the camps and the senior programs and all the things that we need to do. So I know that I was adamant last year about not lowering it and I'm going to be a little bit adamant again. I know that the values of properties have gotten up but so has everything else. You know everything's going up. Everything paper goes up and and computers and the things we need not the things that we're buying wasting money on the things we actually need and no one can say, we shouldn't be getting it. Everything is going up. Again, it's, I guess you might want to say it's unfortunate that we have to disclose a cap before we really know what the numbers are of the budget because it would be sort of, but obviously it makes, it sort of makes more sense to say, okay, let's see what we really need and then we know what we can go up, but that's not the way it works. We have to disclose that now, otherwise, we're not gonna have the ability to have any flexibility. So it's, you know, that's the double edged sword. And, you know, of course, on the other hand, you know, whatever number we go to, I can just tell you right now the general public's consensus is going to be we just raised the taxes last night. You know, that's, I can just tell you right now, you know, and well, yeah, but at least we're not raising the milledrate, but Well, I agree I agree Right right right so it's you know I Mean you know my Opinion is that it's in our best interest to go As high as we're comfortable with understanding that it is only a cap. And what's that? What number do you have in mind? Well, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, we can say any number. We can say any number. That's the point. No, no, no, I'm joking. It's getting close. Of course, it was proposed at that 6.7. I'll say can we entertain 6.1? Hey, you said it. But the thing is it really does, it does, depending on what programs or whatever departments that are, because of the rising costs are going to be affected, like, you know, we really can't. It's really tying ourselves up. But you did one thing the, the vice-member mentioned last time. And that's what kind of like, because of the, I guess, our reserve, the way we set up a reserve system this time around, it kind of holds us back a little bit too because it's kind of like tying one hand to hand it back because we're setting at, what is it, eight, what's the reserve amount? We're approximately 19 million right now. So we would have some flexibility to lower the reserves and move that money into capital improvement projects. So let's say we're to keep it flat, right? And then because we didn't want to like, fiscal impact as many departments at least make the, because when you were explaining the reserve Protocol that you're you got to so prove it did give us an option to say hey we can Mid I guess amended or make it it's up to us if we want to keep keep it year-to-year depending on whenever we want to switch it up Correct me if I'm wrong, right? So you would have a initial flexibility of moving So you would have an initial flexibility of moving 3.8 million in the reserve into CIP. I would also venture to state if needed, the rainy day fund fund balance or reserves would be able to be used for like the litigation or something like that. That's what I'm saying, because that's a- For valid excuses or net excuses, valid reasons to use the fund balance, although we are going out to the market to get that covered. And that would substantially lower the amount that we would have in the fiscal years. But assuming that doesn't happen, right? Because you plan for the worse and you hope- We would have a lot of time to be able to do that. We would have a lot of time to be able to do that. We would have a lot of time to be able to do that. We would have a lot of time to be able to do that. We would have a lot of time to do that. We would have a lot of time to do that. We would have a lot of time to do that. We would have a lot of time to six point one, keeping it flat, right? Okay, so just me. Okay, I'd like to, I'd like actually to hear from the other commissioners as to what is, that was the vice mayor's point of view last time because like I said, but. Yeah, okay. So we have a very lengthy conversation during the workshop, very lengthy conversation. If we do nothing and we stay where we are, there's about $3 million more that we're expecting to come in to our budget next year. That's number one. Number two, you talked about our reserves, and the fact that we can do some shifts there to kind of shore up our budget. So the reality is, parks doesn't have to worry about summer camp. They don't. It was a trust. Okay. That's the reality. And I understand what the mayor is saying about the fact that we don't really have all the numbers until we have all the numbers, but we're giving our manager the number to use to come up with a budget. That's what we're giving him. He's gonna go and work it out with his infinite group of consultants and ACM and all of that. His team of people, he's gonna go ahead and work it out and bring us a budget that fits within that number. That's just the bottom line. And so for the past couple of years, our argument here hasn't been about whether or not we raise the village. It's been about how low we go. And we've gotten flak for keeping it leveled, right? So the conversation of going above 6.1, I'm not going to tell anyone else here what to do, but as for me and my seat, a going above 6.1 is a no go. Because the, I believe it's already a 12% increase in property values. Okay, I think Miami-Dade is seeing a 10% increase if I'm not mistaken across the board. Property values are going up. So the city's getting more money. We're going to get more money. And so we need to stick to 6.1. I'm not going to put you guys in a position in my seat to go lower, although that's what I want to do. But 6.1, if we keep at level, I think we're doing the smart thing because we're receiving more money and our manager with the reserves that we have, with what he's implemented, with CIP, with some of the policies that we voted on. He's more than equipped to deliver a very good and sound budget to us for this next fiscal year. So if we can make a motion, is that a second? Because I'm a hearing motion. Motion to six point one. No, to a man, I'm sorry, to amend. Because I made the, I said, I made a, well, if you make an emotional second. Okay, so I'm gonna make the motion to amend this resolution to 6.1. Change the date. Change the dates of the two workshops, right? Right, the dates of the two workshops to what? Two hearings. Okay, so the motion is to amend the resolution to 6.1 milledrate cap cap and also to change the hearing dates to September 10th and September the 25th. So that's my motion. Second. Okay. I'm all in favor say. Wait, is it a real talk? It's a voice. Discussion. It's a discussion. Sorry. Okay. We gotta open it up. Okay. You already had it. Yeah, we already the the the the the the I. Aye. Any opposed? Aye opposed. Any opposed? So do we roll call or what are we doing, Mr. Mayor? Yeah, I guess you got to get the accurate number. Madam Clerk, do you want to just need a number or do you need to do roll call or what? Because then we've got a roll call. Mr. Mayor, I just want to remind some of our colleagues, because I know Commissioner Smith, we were locked step in our conversation about this during the workshop. And so, you know, we're still saying the same thing. I don't think we're changing our mind as to what we were saying in the workshop. I just thought I'd give the manager a chance with two extra points to make them 6.3 and then we don't have to spend it. But at the same token I will tell you that I think a roll call is called for. We've already done discussion and the vote so let's just hear what the vote really was. Commissioner Smuckler. No. Commissioner office. Yes. No. Commissioner Jean. Yes. Commissioner Joseph. Yes. Commissioner Smith. No. Vice mayor Florian Moons. Yes. Mayor Piper. Yes. We'll cap it. Past this for you. Get it low. Get it lower, Mr. Manager. But I do have a thought because the county budget is being worked on. I hope you guys are reaching out to our county mayor and seeing what an additional funding we can get from them as well as from our two county commissioners. And see if we can alleviate some of our budget concerns. That's all I want to say. And let's start Mr. Manager if I could through the chair. Let's start to look where there's money where we can make money. I've been talking about the parking lots, giving free parking to our city. Let's move these things so that we can have the revenue coming in. I mean, you know what? I mean, there's plenty of opportunity. It might not be, it's a drab here and a dream there, but you know what, it adds up. It's the same thing as a house that gives you $70. If we can get $70 from one parking place that week. We'll reach out to Miami Parking Authority who is somewhat of a gold standard in Miami-Dade County for public parking. To see what kind of options they have where we might be able to take advantage of their government agency to see how we can roll something out. Let's verify some of the money that's supposed to be coming in. We're supposed to get money from slam. Are we getting the money? Yes, ma'am. Are we getting the right person? Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. So listen, we need to be conscious of the time. We have nine minutes left. So one thing is we want to stay after it all. Huh? 11.6. 11.6. I'm the one at the water. All right. Let's. Yeah. As she comes forward, can I get a motion to a point, Polar, Egan to the library. I'm second. Okay. I need it. Okay, I'll make the motion. You get the motion? Okay. We got second. This is an appointment for the appointment for the library board. All in favor say aye. I pose, pass as unanimous. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So now we're on 11-6. So we need a motion and second to introduce 11-6. Motion. Okay. and second, introduce 116. Motion. Okay, we got a second. Second. Okay, Mr. Attorney. No presentation. No. 116. No, no. No, no. Is it just 116 or is there another one? We're going to put that contract in Sprite Point Service. Just 116? By this work, we have the state of the board director of the rest of the mayor's administration. The city of North Miami is part of the Indian Pickback Contract in the city and Sprite Point Service in the state of North. The building purchased a building custom service technology model in the state of North Korea and the implementation of a bunch of data map of 1,600,600,300,345 dollars, bringing five-year term authorizing the city manager, destiny, and the office necessary to evacuate the resolution. The right for conflict, the right for the security service, the right for the federal government, the right for the federal government. I'm sorry. Motion to prove. Okay. I don't know. Yes. Andrea, can you please give us a note? Well, first we have to have a quick, quick intro. Yeah, good evening. So this. We want to do a 10 minute extension. No, just go. Yeah, we can go forward. Come on. All right. All right. Let's go. You have a quick. Okay. Good is what we are trying to implement. This was, Impressa was a software that was implemented back by Jacobs. And it's not working for us. We have been looking at several softwares at this point. And we have chosen sprite point as that software that is going to do what we need to do. We've been talking about how we need to modernize what we have. Right now we have silo systems that are not communicating with each other. When there's an issue, we have the vendors pointing at each other. Sprite point will provide that one software that is going to talk and provide everything. At the same time, the other thing that we've been talking is about the billing template and how it looks right now when we went back to Impressa, what they said is, we needed to pay for additional money with SpritePoint, we'll be able to do all of the modernization of what we need with also our template, of our billing template and Actually, we have a person here from sprite point if you want to hear a little bit about what he has But what I can say is he used to be with impressive So he knows what the faults of impressive are He is one of the founders of sprite point and like I mentioned the problem. So, I think that's the problem. So, I think that's the problem. So, I think that's the problem. So, I think that's the problem. So, I think that's the problem. So, I think that's the problem. So, I think that's the problem. So, I think that's the problem. So I do have a question. So to be able to view that issue about we can't view if you have two meters on the pan your online will they will we be able to do that with the system? Yes. Yes. Okay, because before we could do it and then when we change to this system we couldn't do it anymore. Correct. So now we can we will. Yeah, so the issue you're talking about for customers to log on to a self service portal and be able to see. Please take into the mic. Yes. Yes. You're talking about an issue where customer would log on to a self service portal and be able to have two meters tied to one account and be able to see the consumption associated with each meter. Yes. Yes, that's core functionality in our platform. All I heard was Jacob's was the one that brought up the bad system and that's no actually was it Jake? Yes, yes, yes. Oh, I had to hear Jacob was the one and this is the one I fixed it. We got this. Can we do for the 1.6 million is that the five years? Yes, total or is it a renewal option? So we're probably going to have to do renewals later on for the description, but right now that's going to find the entire implementation Plus those years of description then we're going to have to bring it back so after the five years there'll be another amount correct Okay All right, man, public comment. Oh. Okay. No. No. If you'd like to speak on the Senate, please come forward. Does this include the app as well? Does this eliminate the app? All right. But to record reflect, no one came forward. It will implement. So you will be able to talk to the people also with mobile. I make a motion. Second. No. Okay. On favor say aye. Any opposed? Passage unanimously. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Motion to adjourn. What's 11 3? We did 11. We did 11. We did 11. We did 11. We did 11. We did 11. We did 11. We did 11. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Okay. Okay. So E. Oh, you're going to read it? Yes. It's a record. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 24-005, Multi-site wastewater project. And juice by Miss Suarez, I'm Steve at the Water Director of Resolution of the Mayor and City Commission. The City of Northland, reached for it and premiered over as a new work of invitation to bid them ride, TB 24-75-S3. ITB 24, Multi-site wastewater, construction project, forced main replacement, and re-routing, authorizing city manager, Desi me, that the city manager. That's the most important projects. Bill gardens is the one for the hard rock is going to be the next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. The next. So part of the five year CIP, two of our most important projects, Bell Gardens is the one for the heart rock. It's going to feed the city center. And it's also a master prompt station for all of our 16 basins in wastewater. I recommend that this goes forward. It's already funded and the deal is going to pay $6 million toward this project refundable. Public comment. Public comment. Public comment. All right. Mr. Cassandre, before you start, can I interrupt you? We need to make a motion extend five minutes. Wait a minute, the man has to identify himself. I don't think he ever identified himself when he had motion extend. Second for five minutes. Five minutes. Yes, and then. Okay. We want to identify him for the minutes. Five minutes. Okay hang on we got to get the motion in here first. All in favor. All right. Any opposed. All right. We're good to 12.05. We still have a lot of pressure to get done. So let's keep it going. Who are you? We're ready. But I think he was identified by our director utilities director. Yeah. Is that okay? She wants to get along to come to your name. Your name for the record. Yeah, just. Yes. Oh, sorry. Yeah, my name is Ryan Cully. Come to the microphone. Sorry. Yeah. My name is Ryan Cully. I'm one of the founders of Sprite Point. Thank you. OK. Thank you. OK, we can eat that for the rest. Thank you very much. My 30 seconds. I think it's rather irresponsible of you people to be having two minutes to rush through. A $6.6 million thing without proper explanation or anything of the sort. I think you need to be more responsible. This thing here is not going to be working going down the road. two minutes, 6.6 million, not good. Thank you. Okay. All right. I guess at this point any comment from the commissioners? Mr. Mayor, if I may. Yes. This $6.6 million was part of the budget that we approved for 2023-24. Correct? Correct. So all of this was discussed at length and especially as it relates to our CIP project plan. For the last couple of years we've been talking about this. Correct. But as a checks and balances, you have to come back before the commission to get these funds re-approved before they actually get spent. Get extended or ordered, I'm sorry. Correct. Correct. to get these funds re-approved before they actually get spent. Or ordered, I'm sorry. Correct. Correct. Okay, thank you so much. And also they're refundable you mentioned? Yeah, so we're getting $6 million refunded from the Department of Florida. So for Florida commerce for a grant. Okay. And I just want to say last night at the water plant, I had again the privilege of hearing about this. So I thank you for teaching us last night as well. There we go. Okay, any other comments? Hello, Senator Peruvian. Second. Okay, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any a aye. That's as you now. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Yeah, well. Okay, just want to make sure I was on the record. Okay, I said I do. All right, and then Mr. Attorney, do we need to do anything about deferring the discussion items or anything? I am 11.3, 11.3 because it was advertised. And the other one didn't get to, if there's one other that we can get to the legislation. I think there might have been. There are five, do we want to try and do the other? No, no, no, no. I have 11.3 and might as well, 11.5 to a time certain to the next meeting. Okay, but nothing with discussion, I don't need to defer those. Okay. And we did defer, did we vote in defer the part of the individual? What do we do with text? I thought we didn't get for. Yeah, it was pulled. So it'll either come back on August, the August meeting or September meeting. Okay. All right. So let's let's let's defer the. All right. How about the BTR? There's one BTR there. Let's defer the. That's already. All right, how about the BTR? There's one BTR there. You can defer that to as well. Unless the strain is. It's right here. Mr. Engler, what about number 11? Joe, you need to speak in general. Is that the is that the five? Do for the BTR enemies? It's deferable when what ball when we defer the that we continue to let the bid operate under the current prior approvals. Okay. We've been to the four 11.3 11.5 and 12.1 to a time certain to the meeting August 27th at 6 p.m. Okay. We have a motion. Motion. Motion. All right. we need a second now. Joe. Second. Second, Mr. Mayor. Second. Okay. All in favor say.