I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the I think the devil is that. But it also becomes a total trail. Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and get started. Good morning, everybody. It's 10.01. So we're going to go ahead and get started. I know everybody's got it's a Saturday and probably had plans. So we're going to go ahead and get started. Good morning. My name is Samantha Bergeron. I'm the economic development coordinator for the city of Edgewater as well as the park parks and reactor. Welcome Good morning. My name is Samantha Bergeron. I'm the economic development coordinator for the city of Edgewater as well as the park parks and wreck director. Welcome. We have some dignitaries in the audience this morning. We have right in the front we have Ms. Charlotte Gillis who is our district two councilwoman. Good morning. We also have Mr. Glenn Erby who is our city manager. We also have sorry we also have Gigi Bennington. Good morning, Councilwoman Bennington. And we also have Mayor Cleveland from New Samarna. Thank you so much for joining us. We have our past mayor, Mike Thomas is also here in the audience. Good morning. Thank you for coming. And thank you so much. We also have an SB Housing Authority. Good morning. Theresa Pope is with us this morning as well. And we have a couple of our other staff members. We have Jeff Thurman here. We have Randy Cazlow. We have Ryan Solstice. And we also have Bridget Vessier with us this morning. So people that can help answer questions or whatever you need. And it's my honor to introduce Aliza Juliano. She's with Kim Lee Horn, and she's gonna be kind of facilitating our discussions this morning, and we look forward to your input, and welcome. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for coming out here on a Saturday morning. Oh, this is what happens whenever you touch it. It doesn't work this time. You might just... I swear we tested this five minutes ago. Now works. Okay, so we're going to start with introductions. Actually, Sam already said it is off with introductions. My name is Eliza Harris-Julliano. I also got two colleagues in the back in the red, Nathan and Jesse, and they're going to be helping us facilitate today as well. We're going to go through some of the backgrounds. So there's been a couple of meetings and some activities that have already happened as part of this process, and I want to make sure everybody in the room is aware of those. I know some of you were involved in those. In fact, I think I'll probably ask who was part of those. But we did introductions. Throughout the meeting, I want to make sure that we don't, that you get to ask any questions you have. And I know some people are really excited to stand up and talk and some people are a little more shy. So we want to make sure everybody has a chance to give comments and questions. So Jesse and Nathan have been handing out index cards for you to write those down. That also helps us because it means that, sorry. That also, okay, how far do I need to back up? Okay. So, writing down your comments and questions, particularly your comments, also make sure that we have a record of exactly what you said. We do our best to remember and take some notes, but we want to make sure that we have a record of exactly what you said. We do our best to remember and take some notes, but we want to make sure that we have a record of what you want us to come away with out of this meeting. So they're going to be handing out those cards after the presentation. There's also going to be an opportunity to go to a couple of feedback stations around the room. And we'll talk about those as we move along. I see some of you've already gotten started. So in terms of project background here, I'm going to hold this so I don't have to lean over. So while not part of this process, there was a previous vision that was created back in 2008. I was actually here as part of that process. Anybody else was here in 2008 as part of the original vision plan. So few people, yeah. We're going to reference that throughout the meeting, but we're trying to move past that and move forward from that. Testing? Okay. So let's talk about what's happened so far in this vision update process. So we started back in April of 2023. We did a public kickoff and we showed up at the one of the edge best community events to let people know what was happening and to start handing out a survey that we were our initial visioning survey. We also had a community forum much like this back in May of of 2023 and then provided an update to City Council. Out of that update to City Council there there was a need to have a second visioning survey so we've circulated a second visioning survey and we'll talk about that. Again bringing those updates back to City Council and now we're here sitting with our community forum. So let me just ask real quick, who was part, who took the first survey, raise your hand. Okay, who took the second survey? Okay, well that tracks because we had more people respond to the second survey than the first one. Who was here at the community meeting back last May? Okay, so, you know, somewhere between a third and half of people have participated in each of the previous exercises. So what's the purpose? Why are we here doing this vision update? It's to update and expand upon the vision that was created back in 2008 to identify strategic opportunities to improve the city and to guide its future. And specifically from a technical standpoint to update two documents, the community redevelopment area document that governs, that provides and manages the investments in the older portions of the city, as well as the comprehensive economic development that governs, that provides and manages the investments in the older portions of the city, as well as the comprehensive economic development strategic plan. Now there's gonna be other inputs into those plans, but this vision update is kind of the community level input into those plans. So, rewinding back to 2008, we shared this in the last meeting. So sorry for the repeat if you were here. This was the vision statement that came out of the 2008 plan. The city of Edgewater will be safe, clean, accessible, and environmentally friendly community with a small town atmosphere. I won't read the rest. You guys can read it. Generally, our takeaway is that this vision statement pretty much holds true today. Much of what we heard back from the community whether in specific questions or with the words that you all use to describe your community really seems to match up with this pretty well. If you feel differently obviously let us know right down that comment. But generally we feel like the feedback we got doesn't change this vision statement that much. The other part of that plan that was significant was a physical vision for what a downtown might look like. And we feel like this has changed quite a bit since 2008 for a couple of reasons. So this was a pretty robust vision for how the street we're on, Park Avenue out there might redevelop to be a downtown. Now as part of coming back and talking with you all, we've started to understand that at what it doesn't need a downtown, it needs a Main Street. A Main Street is the right scale of community gathering place for a community that wants to have a small town feel. So coming out of the, so some of the feedback that we got from city leadership very early on, some of the top opportunities that were identified were creating a viable main street, enhancing the waterfront as well as water quality, bringing in more high quality jobs, and some of the concerns also around water, stormwater and infrastructure, affordable housing, and notes that the community tend to be concerned about single-family development. So we based on that feedback we did the first community survey, had a little over 300 participants, and just a real high-level recap of that. The key takeaways we got from that first community survey, we have if you want it, we have the record, much more detailed records, but we went through that in the last meeting, so we don't want to belabor it. What we heard was that it's important to take care of edge order natural resources and provide public access to those water bodies, particularly the Indian river. Including increasing access to dining, shopping and community events along the river, as well as elsewhere within the community. Concerns that the city needs to be prepared for growth. events along the river as well as elsewhere within the community. Concerns that the city needs to be prepared for growth. So if growth is coming, the infrastructure needs to be there, the facilities need to be there so that growth doesn't hurt the people that are here now, right? And keeping that small town feel that that's really central to how the people who live in the community view it and that small town feel is important. So the concepts that we talked about last time were enhancing the main street, along Park Avenue. We talked about opportunities for redevelopment along US wine, although really that those opportunities may be pretty far out, but there's not a really robust market for that kind of redevelopment right now. And that may be okay with everybody. And we talked about things that were important to highlight in the new vision that maybe didn't really stick out in the 2008 vision. Not that we didn't know that protecting the water, quality of the lagoon was important back then, but everybody really wants to make sure that that's highlighted now. That affordable housing is a bigger concern now than it was back in 2008 because of what's happened in the market. And that this idea of a new community center that has really gotten legs and that's already been talked about quite a bit should be part of this vision as well, although that's already kind of moving. So during that first community meeting, this is some of what we heard. We heard there was a desire for locally owned businesses, including places to eat, that small town field coming up again and again. There was some discussion about whether Park Avenue was the right place for that main street or downtown, at that point we were calling it a downtown. There's also awareness that there is a significant amount of development and happening on the other side of 95 and that that is going to create some dining and shopping opportunities potentially as well. And that there was recommendations to have kind of a really cohesive identity for the community. Thinking about US one in particular, we talked about incentives for business owners, concerns about traffic safety and speeding, the need for infrastructure improvements, as well as again the need for a kind of cohesive look and feel. And then, you know, we wanted to make sure we didn't miss anything. So we invited general comments on anything we weren't already talking about. And some of the, some of what we heard was concerns about flooding, the desire for an event space that marries up with the community center, as well as those environmental concerns about the lagoon and other water quality and flooding issues. Now I'm going to skip forward to survey number two, which was just wrapped up a couple of months ago. survey number two, which was just wrapped up a couple of months ago. So, this had more than twice as many participants as the first survey, almost three times as many participants as the first survey, which was one of the things we heard from City Council. We really want to hear from more people. So, we're able to do that. That's a little under 4% of the edgewater population. It may not sound like a ton, but when you're talking about a whole city, getting them to fill out a form is not all that easy. So this is the people that we're willing to work with us. And there's a lot of effort to get to that in terms of including sending out the survey as part of utility bills, making sure it really got everybody's mailbox. So they had an opportunity to respond. So, you know, questions we asked, would you like to have a community center? We got a pretty strong yes, about 58% said yes, having a community center was important. Where should that community center be? We heard as possibility somewhere near the water. Near, we heard some people would like to see it in this location. Some people wanted to see it on 442, others on park avenue. So kind of a range of answers there. Since the time we actually put together this survey, there's been more clarity around where we think that community center is going to be. So we can talk about that. What kind of activities would you like to see? Now this was an open end question, so you can answer whatever you wanted. So we kind of had to sum that up into categories, but the city is able to access all of the detail that was provided. So generally what people want to see is some sort of public activities, community events, meeting rooms, sports and recreation and art. We heard about one, have activities for people of different ages, activities for seniors, activities for young people. Then we wanted to ask questions about water, waterfront. We asked what kind of waterfront access do you most value? Top answer was parks and green space. Behind that, walking and biking trails, and then kind of tied for third place was waterfront dining and fishing docks. So as the community is thinking about how to invest in the waterfront, those are, that's useful information. Should the city plan to purchase more waterfront land for public access in the future? Very strong yes, 76%. One thing that we've talked about internally and with the council is that you know there's only so much waterfront land to go around so so this is not necessarily an easy thing to do however an important part of this discussion is that the city actually already owns some land that has not been improved yet so while the city owns it it's not accessible so getting the funding to improve that land so it's accessible to the public creates new publicly accessible land. And there's also different ways of creating public access. What kind of development would you like to see within distance, walking distance to the water? So top two answers, parks and dining, and then behind that, shopping, and some other options. Would you like to see more mixed use development along major roadways? Which means essentially multi-story buildings with housing on top of retail. Not a lot of interest here. So 63% said no. This is not a priority for the city. And then among those people who said yes, where do you think that belongs? If you said yes, the answers, the top answers were US one and park avenue. But we know not everybody said yes. We also asked about housing. Like what do you think is important for housing for the city of Edgewater? And people could select as many of these as they wanted. So affordability, so about 30% were saying that ownership opportunities, lower rental home opportunities, sorry, ownership in lower prices were important whether rental or ownership, and then more rental opportunities was a little lower on the between 15 and 20%. In terms of what types of housing opportunities are needed, A little over 30% said single-family housing. A little over 25% said none. And then just behind that, a little over 20% said, some type of housing besides single-family. So apartments, townhouses, duplexes. Would you like to see sidewalk improvements? Pretty strong yes here. Over 60% of people saying that they want to see, about two thirds saying they want to see sidewalk improvements. If so where? This was again an open-ended question. Top answer was Florida shores. A lot of people live in Florida shores so that makes sense right? Would it be important to have underground utilities or where would it be important? This was a check box exercise, so we offered some opportunities for people to respond. US one was the top response. Other people said, actually, this isn't really important at all. And then behind that, Park Avenue, and then there was a big, a lot of answers in the other categories. So again, Florida shores came up here 19% who thought this was important within Florida shores. So of course, the city can't do everything at the same time because of funding constraints and other constraints. So we also asked you to prioritize and say, what are the most important things? So just looking at the top three number ones, were waterfront access projects, a new community center, sidewalk improvements, you look at the top three, you get development within walking distance to the waterfront there as well, and then down from there. Now also of note, some of these require more investment from the city, and some of them require less investment from the city and some of them require less investment from the city. So that may factor in as well. But in terms of where the community wants to see their attention, this starts to say what that looks like. And then we asked, we wanted to get general feedback. Again, here, staff and leadership has access to all of the answers that you gave, but we summarize them as follows. Top comments we got with the open comment box were about the environment behind that, pretty far behind that economic development, then infrastructure, community engagement, and then some comments about opposition to development in general. So that was the second community survey. Have we gotten any comments or questions Jesse and Nathan? And feel free to Nathan if raise your hand if you've got a card you want to send in. Okay, so we have received one comment. It said I would very much like to have a community center and think it would benefit the city greatly. If we have a cultural center, we should look at using Volusia Echo program for funding. Okay. Okay. So now we're going to shift gears looking forward. So based on everything that's happened so far, this is where we see the project going in terms of drafting vision themes. These are the three themes that we're proposing. Enjoying the outdoors, small town, or sense of place, and growing opportunity. So let's start with enjoying and protecting the outdoors. Obviously the environment is a huge interest for people in the city of Edgelwater as well as getting to enjoy that environment, right? So expanding waterfront access up and we're gonna go through, so I won't go through them here. So going back to what type of waterfront access do you most value? Again, top three parks, parks and green space, walking and biking trails, waterfront dining, fishing dock. So what can the city do to expand waterfront access options? Well, one thing that I mentioned earlier is improving properties the city already owns. So one thing that's already happened is the cities recently done improvements to Menard May Park. The city also owns a property that is next to Boston Whaler that is being planned for an additional boat ramp. That boat ramp will also have other facilities like restrooms, trailhead, amenities. The other thing the city can do that doesn't require purchasing land is to work with if there is going to be a development that is next to the waterfront or potential development can work with that developer to make sure that there's some sort of public access. Whether it's a restaurant that fronts on the water or whether it's something like a trail that would have public access, ways that people can access that's a much more affordable way for the city to be able to provide some sort of access for the general public. We also know that there are, if there's an application that comes through, we've heard waterfront dining over and over again. So if there's an application that comes through to the city, or somebody who wants to put a restaurant on the waterfront, you know, probably council should consider that there's been a lot of requests for that, right? And maybe say yes. We know the city's been working hard on water quality efforts and we want to make sure that everybody's aware of that and the city now knows that you want them to continue that. This has been true since we began this process but the city had already secured over $16 million in grants for stormwater and canal improvements, including sending water access and transitioning away from dirt rows because that's a water quality issue. One of the things that we're suggesting as part of this process is if there are improvements to park avenue, can we include some green infrastructure in that? Right now, basically water that comes off park avenue just kind of goes straight into the lagoon, which is not ideal. If that were built today, that would not be how that would work. So if there's improvements, can we start to work in things like rain gardens, water attenuation, to slow that water down, treat it before it goes into the lagoon. And so that's one of the advantages if there are upgrades to some of these roadways that these kind of water quality improvements can be part of that. This is an example that my firm was involved in in Cape Canaveral. We're working with that community. This happens to be a park where we're able to put rain gardens into that park and actually offload not just the stormwater for the park, but stormwater from the surrounding roads and even the surrounding properties. So enjoying and protecting the outdoors. Last, I'm not sure if the last or second to last is continue investing in parks and trails. So as I mentioned, this is Menard May Park, which happens to be both a park and a waterfront access opportunity that was recently invested in by the city. There's also been other improvements that have happened recently to like out Lake analysis neighborhood and rotary parks. Other planned improvements are pickleball facility. It's planned for Hawks Park, as well as a new trail segment from Roberts Road to Dale Street. So already things in the mix that are moving forward under that category. But knowing that the community supports those kind of things helps to keep those moving forward. So second vision element, small town sense of place. So let's start with park avenue. So this is the area that we studied as part of the 2008 plan. And I showed you that what that plan looked like. So as part of this effort, when we said that plan was probably a little overscaled for Edgewater, it was more than made sense for Edgewater. So let's scale that back. And let's be also realistic about what's possible, because that was 2008, this is 2024, it hasn't happened. So what do we do to be practical about what's realistic, as well as make something possible rather than have a big vision that's not possible? So what we did here was recognize for one thing the city owns some lots. So what could the city do on the property it already owns? And then thinking about only those lots that are really directly on Park Avenue and what would be the opportunity if there was a change in the vision for people to have some different options on what they might do with the property that they own. So this is just an example. This is actually using those three city-owned lots of what that might look like if we wanted to see a main street here. And some of you you are seeing this image on the board over there. This is three what we call three small mixed-use buildings could be built one at a time you know could be built through some sort of partnership with the city to get that going to start a creative place where people want to come down on a Saturday night or a Saturday afternoon to hang out On the on the land side right or when they get off the boat where they want to stay for a little while and spend some money in the city of Edgewater So why would this be what were the benefits of this? We've heard that people want to see dining and shopping near the waterfront So this would be an opportunity to do that. Generally would favor smaller businesses. So this Main Street context tends to support mom and pop type stores that might be owned in the city of Edgewater. And that means the money comes back to the city of Edgewater when people spend it as opposed to going off to New York City or wherever. Create an identifiable center for the city of Edgewater. Place where people wanna come and take a picture with their kids, place where you can go for a family stroll on a Saturday afternoon or go out for date night with your significant other. And through those small businesses, it supports the city's economy. So what would it look like if we decide this is a good idea? Well, the first thing would be to make it possible legally, right? Right now, Park Avenue, just like most of the other neighborhoods to the left, the sort of, sorry, to the north and south of it, is owned for single-family residential. So if you look back and you ask why hasn't the 2008 vision happened, maybe a lot of reasons we had a little recession in there if anybody noticed. I don't know if anybody remembers that. But the other thing is it's zone for single family. So it's actually illegal to build any of the stuff that we showed. So not going to happen as long as it's not legal. So to make it legal that requires revising the comprehensive plan which tells what kind of land use is you can build within different parcels in the city, and revising the zoning code, which says what those more or less, what those structures can look like in terms of how far they are from the sidewalk and how far they are from their neighbors. If there's a desire to develop those city-owned properties, usually that's done through some sort of bid process. The city says, we own this property. They invite people to come in and bid on that so that the city doesn't usually do that development themselves. They'll say invite developers come in and say, look, this is our vision. If you will build that vision, what will you pay us for the property, and then you need to stay within our vision for what that property should be. Considering design guidelines. Zoning is one thing, but if it's important to the community that there really be a cohesive character of Main Street, then it may go to another step of thinking about what the architecture looks like and having design guidelines. There's different things you can do. Maybe you're only able to access that zoning if you comply with a little stricter design focus. So it looks like, you know, what you want your waterfront community to look like. Now I've talked a lot about what might happen from a building standpoint, but we also talk about the street and the sidewalk and the stormwater infrastructure. That would all be on the city side, right? So another thing that might happen is a master plan, a plan that the city would put together for what might happen on that street on the city-owned property, so that you could have those nice, wide, or sidewalks, so you could have some street trees think about, you know, it's pretty challenging with those really large overhead utilities. Could this is a place pretty small area where if they were underground, it might have a big impact. So those are some of the things that might be part of that park avenue. You know, we did ask the question, what kind of development would you like to see within walking distance the water, parks and dining, those top two options with shopping a little bit behind? with shopping a little bit behind. Next up on the community and sense of place piece, the community center. So this has really been moving along, right? You heard the mayor on TV talking about it not too long ago that there's a, it's planned to be part of the city hall complex out on West Indian River Boulevard. Now that's starting to move forward. The next steps are design and programming. It's not funded yet. So identifying funding is a really important part of moving that forward. And again, knowing the community wants it certainly helps to keep that going. We already talked about this in terms of what people would want to see here. We have is actually one of the boards within the room, which, yeah, in the back corner there. If you have other ideas about what you want to see on that site, now's a good time to let the city know by giving your feedback here. And that could be both inside the building as well as outside the building. And then the last vision theme here is growing opportunity. So, and there's some definitely some overlap here, but let's, we'll start with talking about amenities, including family-friendly options, housing variety and attainability, jobs, and fiscal responsibility. So, we heard a lot about the desire for wanting to see more restaurants. So including wanting to see places that people could go with their families. So we pulled down some statistics we could find about what the needs were for some of these restaurants to function or some of these stores to function. So you know Costco, you would need a 200,000 people in five miles to support that Costco, full service restaurants, you know, looking at 75 to 100 customers a day. So, what that says is they really, they need to be able to justify their business to be located here. And often that comes with looking at how many people are within the distance of that site. Housing. So we heard that people are concerned about having the opportunity to own a home with having lower prices, whether you're renting or owning. And with some people are concerned with having more rental opportunities. There's something that we, in the industry, call missing middle. So the housing industry seems to be pretty good at producing opportunities. There's something that we, in the industry, call missing middle. So, the housing industry seems to be pretty good at producing big apartment complexes, pretty good at producing single-family houses. Not so good at producing things that are in between that, which historically exist in a lot of communities, which are like little four complexes, little buildings with four units in them or two units. And you may have a few of those in your community, and they're probably pretty old, because usually the zoning doesn't allow for them today. And that's very common across the country. So that's some of what we're showing you these pictures. So, you know, we asked in the survey, and we showed these results earlier in a different way. What types of housing are needed? And this is a survey, this is not a market analysis. But, you know And this is a survey. This is not a market analysis. But we heard from about 32% of people that they wanted the single family housing, 13% town homes, 10% apartment buildings, 9% duplexes. When we compare that to what the housing is in the city today, it's 84% single family. So what we see based on this feedback is that, not everybody's gonna live in the same type of housing, but probably if you want a single family house, you are more likely to be able to find that in the city of Edgelwater than if you want something that is not a single family house. That was our takeaway from that. So the recommendations that come with that are identifying some opportunity areas for for variety in the housing like with Park Avenue. If there's a desire for that that would require zoning and future land use to be consistent with that. You know, as planners recognizing, you know, there's not a lot of excitement about redevelopment on US one. We heard that. There's also a lot of excitement about redevelopment on US one. We heard that. There's also a desire for more attainable housing. So it has to go somewhere. Planning wise, we think US one would make sense, but maybe there's other opportunities. There's opportunities to look at where that would be appropriate. We do think that if US one was the location for where that housing would happen, design guidelines might be important. If new development is going to happen in the community, the community can't have a say on what that might look like. And there's already some design guidelines in the US1 quarter, but are they contemplating the type of development that might come? And then we talk about last thing here on growing opportunities, just making sure the book's balanced at the end of the day. So we've labeled this under fiscal responsibility. So ensuring that there's a balance between or understanding that there's a balance between the services the city can provide and the revenue it takes in. It can only provide the services that are balanced out by the revenue. Now we can work around that a little bit in terms of seeking grants for infrastructure improvements and enhancements that the state will support that the federal government will support and city's done a great job of identifying grants, but there are certain types of services that you can't grant fund. Just understanding that public and private amenities tend to scale to population size. So that's fine. A smaller population is going to support fewer amenities, both whether it's restaurants, whether it's parks and recreation, the city funds, bigger population will support more. And either one of those can be okay, but just understanding that there's a relationship there. And identifying opportunities that use existing infrastructure. So one way that cities can help balance their books is by making sure that new investment happens around existing infrastructure. So if you have to build new infrastructure, you get a lot more cost that comes with your new investment. But if you can use existing infrastructure like, for instance, US one, then you don't have as much cost that comes with that new investment. So this is a diagram that comes from a nonprofit called Strong Towns that talks about that balance. And then last on growing opportunity, we heard a lot from leadership about and community members about wanting more high quality jobs. Cities are already working on this through a couple of efforts. One is partnership in the Southeast Voluja Manufacturing and Technology Coalition as well as a partnership with Team Voluja. So those are some efforts the cities currently undergoing to to help increase the opportunity for people to make a good living and still continue to be here in the city of Ed Water as they graduate from school or as they look for a future job. So that's I'm going to stop talking at you now for the most part. If you have cards that you've written down I saw some people writing now would be a good time to hand them off to watch you guys walk the aisles and just see if anybody has comment cards they want to turn in. And what we're going to do is take about 15 minutes to make sure everybody gets a chance to go to each of the feedback stations and then we'll group back up and go through the cards as well as go through what we're seeing on the feedback stations. So did everybody get the, did everybody wants cards get them? Anybody, raise your hand if you want a card or more cards. Okay. Jesse, can you tell me what, what are the colors? We'll figure it out. OK, you can have as many cards as you want. So I know they might only give you one or two. You can have more. And then you're also going to have an opportunity. So let me go through the stations here real quick. So right here is just an aerial map of the city as a whole. So basically this is a place to say that this is an issue or an opportunity I see at this location in the city. Point at that and then write down your comment. And if you feel like you can't point at it quite right, write down the address or whatever information that geographically locates that. If you have a comment that you don't feel like fits on any other boards, and doesn't, isn't geographically located, you can put it there too. In the middle on the, on my left, your right is the Park Avenue board, so that's a place specifically we're looking for your comments about what we said about park avenue as a main street. Love it, hate it, tell us what you think, see specific geographic opportunities, there's a map, feel free to put your sticker right on the map, that's fine. And then in the back, your right, your right is the city hall site, we want to make sure you you have the opportunity to understand where that is. And if you, again, want to give feedback on what might happen on that property or other comments about the community center site, put that on the back right there. And then just one here on the, on your left, I see people have already started putting stickers. We put some statements. These are things that we think based on what we've heard so far belong in the vision. If you agree, put a sticker if you don't agree, don't. And that's the story there. We also, I believe, are going to put those statements up on the screen so you don't have to all crowd around the board to read them at the same time. So you can kind of pre-read them so you know what, whether which ones you agree with before you get up there. And again, as many stickers as you want. And with that, feel free to break and we will get back together at five minutes to 11. I think that you were expecting an email later. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Right. Please write that down. Oh yeah. Right here. I can't get up. 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If I can get your attention for a second, we're already a little past when I said we were going to get back together, but it seemed to be having pretty robust conversation, so I was reluctant to interrupt. I know you guys are having really robust conversations. We only have so many years in the room to kind of track that. Please write things down. So I'm just going to really implore you whether it's on the way out or whether it's on the board. Please write those things down so that we make sure that they make it into the record. So thank you all for, and I see everybody sitting down real fast. Couple people still writing. Okay, have my teammates here got some cards ready for questions and comments? Why don't we get a couple mics here, or at least one. This is, who's the comment person? Sorry, I didn't get this you earlier. Okay, okay. These are comments. You guys are all so quick to sit down. Usually it takes much more, you know, begging. So what we're gonna do here is try to, do you guys need five minutes? Okay, so we're gonna, you know, these guys are gonna paraphrase what they're seeing, try to consolidate comments and try to consolidate questions that are similar. A little bit on the fly here. I asked them to do two things at once, which was read the cards and talk to you all at the boards, and that was maybe a strategic error. Okay, tell me, we'll try to go alternate between you guys. Who wants to go first? At the comment here, multi-generational housing should be available with working kitchen for grandparents and children. Okay. Does everybody understand what multi-generational housing is? Okay, so that's typically where you have, for instance, three generations living under the same roof. Grandparents, kids, grandkids, maybe even more depending on how long lived your family as I guess, and potentially having more than one kitchen facility so everybody gets the opportunity to really have a decent amount of living space within one structure. We also have another housing comment as well with new housing development consideration should be given to keep some of the native forest between houses instead of clearing all the I'm sorry. I'd say that. There's. What is Edge what is Edge Waters process to rezone the lots on park avenue. Wondering if it's a public vote if it's something that gets voted by the council. The one that goes in conjunction is that is what has been the hold up on the the city. I can I can take a first shot at that and if the city has anything to add then I'll I'll I'll do that. Yes, absolutely any change to zoning or the comprehensive plan requires a vote of city council. The one that goes in conjunction is that is what has been the hold up on the rezoning the main street. And then somebody was wondering what would happen that and if the city has anything to add then I'll do that. Yes, absolutely. Any change to zoning or the comprehensive plan requires a vote of city council, probably more than one vote of city council as well as public hearings in which community would have an opportunity to come up and either support or oppose any sort of comprehensive plan change or rezoning. What would happen to the property owners? So the property owners would have an opportunity to do something on their property they can't today. So they can choose to stay and keep doing what they're doing or they can choose to either invest in their property so they can just have more options. The. So we have a couple of comments on the future of the park. So making sure there's lighting, good lighting, especially for pickleball court that's coming. People want to play at night when it's cooler. core that's coming. People want to play at night when it's cooler. We've got waterfront access. We wanted to be able to have visual access as well as physical. Creek Walk from the YMCA to Tenth Street with the storm water filtration there as a comment. The skyline variation, so height restrictions on being able to see the view of the water, I think if we ever made that comment, that's kind of what you're going for. Yeah, so housing mixed use walkability, US1, so kind of kind of the comment on directing that development there. And then somebody asked what is the distinction between a downtown and a main street on park avenue? and a main street on Park Avenue? So on one level, it's subjective, but generally speaking, we're talking about scale. So the scale, the number of buildings, the how close they are together, the height of the buildings that we showed in the original vision plan was more of a downtown feel. It's just more, whereas a main street typically has smaller buildings, fewer of them, a little bit less activity. So that's basically the difference between a downtown and a main street. I think even in 2008, downtowns can vary, right? So downtown New Smurndabeech is very different from downtown Orlando. So it's somewhat subjective. But that's what we're trying to say. It's really smaller. I mean, you see in some neighborhoods where there's a restaurant that's just in an old house, right? It's not even a new structure. There we are. Would have to be brought up to code, of course, with commercial. So what is the status of Marina development on South Riverside? So there was a edgewater Marina that was proposed and approved at the end there a Boston road where Cameron's Marina sat for 50 years plus. We the city are still waiting on the property and we're just waiting for them to submit all of their paperwork. It's about right, Ryan. Still just haven't heard anything from them in a while. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not sure if you can see the other one. I'm still just haven't heard anything from them in a while. Yeah. I can real quick because it seems I can quick answer. What the city use and domain to acquire property. I don't believe that that is in any of the plans to acquire property. And was that with regard to the trail, future trail or what was the question? Yes, the question was, would the city utilize eminent domain to acquire property? And I don't believe, I mean, the city manager could respond that, but that would be a big no. I mean, it's gotten. So that's generally funded. I'm going to domain for economic development. It has happened. No one on the city team or on the consultant team has been in the city. I mean, I'm going to domain for economic development. It has it has happened. No one on the city team or on the consultant team has proposed that. That I know of. We had one that's just a comment that one and more traffic lights to reshift for US one. And it's just saying that it's concerns about it being busy from a traffic perspective. And then this other one I'm paraphrasing was talking about, you know, doubling the population would put a large strain on city resources, that the population has already doubled since the 60s and 70s. So how would the city address the need from a public works perspective and policing deficiencies that they're saying that are existing already? that they're saying that are existing already. So doubling, we haven't projected any numbers. I'm not sure where doubling specifically is coming from. There are some types of services that scale with a number of people, and there are some types of services that don't scale slower when there's more people. So for instance, stormwater, wastewater, roadways, some of them are more efficient to service if there's more people and some of them are, you need police, I can't speak directly to police, but generally speaking, those types of services that are really hands on, you may need more of them more directly if there are more people. Sam, do you want to? Yeah, I can. So during the Great Recession city of Edgewater was one of the communities in Valencia County that was very heavily impacted and there really was not much going on during that time. There were really no permits that were pulled or anything like that. So the city leadership took that opportunity to make some great strides with updating the land development code. Public works we were able to get a grant we already extended water and sewer and reclaimed underneath 95 to be ready. So we took that time to reshape and do a lot of planning so that we are ready for the growth when it happens. But you have to keep in mind too that doubling the population is probably a 30 year plan. All of the growth that is projected for the west side in 95, that's over the next 30 years. It's not going to be built tomorrow. And so the city planning and city leadership council planning and zoning board, of course the leadership led by our city manager is planning for that growth. And we have a public works facility that's in the design stages so that we are again ready for that growth when it happens. And all of these developers are also they're paying for their own infrastructure. It's not the city existing residents that are paying for that growth. The developers are paying for that growth. So we feel very confident that we are ready for it when it does happen. And the roads and working with DOT and working with all of our partners and all of the state permitting that those developers have to go through. It's a lot of checks and balances and keeping it in line. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Who's next? We do have a comment on we need less storage places, more waterfront with access for children's playground like Oak Hill. Yeah, I guess this one is I guess stating concerns about how the survey and responses are I guess potentially leaving out a couple folks that I guess what efforts has the city made to get feedback from those in financial distress or homeless to learn what their their needs are. We also have a comment it says homeless on it so or homeless to learn what their needs are. We also have a comment. It says homeless on it. So it's probably on the same vein as what you were saying there as well for that comment. So I, you know, there certainly wasn't significant effort as part of the second survey to get it into the hands of a lot more people. Those people generally were people who have a residence within the city as opposed to unhoused people. So I don't know that there have been efforts to deal with unhoused people through this visioning effort. I can't understand that I can speak to. I mean the City Manager could probably explain it better. I can attempt is that working with our police department and working the city manager, working very closely with the NSB Housing Authority and also have a tap for humanity that serves here all of Southeast Volusia. The last council meeting that we just had, the council approved to go ahead and partner with and pay into the shelter that is up on 92 so that we have a place to help bring homeless and again, you know, getting people training and rehabilitation that they may need and any other services. Our police department does a great job of working with our homeless population as well as our administrative management team making sure that those people are served and taken care of. The city manager also has donated a couple pieces of parcels of land where habitat for humanity has built a few homes and the CRA we just did a grant with housing authority. They bought a quadplex on West Turgot, and we provided a grant to them so that they could make improvements to those four apartments to keep them affordable for, you know, to get homeless off the street and help in that way. So it's definitely on our radar. We're definitely very astute to, you know, knowing who they are, homeless in our community, and making sure that they have the services that they need. And then this was kind of a common and or question, but there's a question asking about why can't, for 42, where the new city hall location, they would like to see a main street there, and potentially a waterfront restaurant near city hall location they would like to see a main street there and potentially a waterfront restaurant near city hall around where the pond is located. So I think that the city is in the process of planning that location still it's in the design phase so that's always something that you know we can take as feedback there. So yeah. Yeah, so we've got this comment a couple of times about, you know, what's the right place for the main street? Generally we've had more responses saying park avenues, the right place than for 42, but there are still a substantial number of people suggesting that for 42 is the right place. I think from one of the concerns, I'd say from the consultant that we have, is not wanting the historic edge of water to get left behind with the development that's having west of 95 and some of the new development that this history of the community is important and honoring that history and helping it to continue to thrive is important. So that's kind of our outside perspective. It seems like the inside perspective is a little more divided, but still has come out on balance in what we've heard in favor of Park Avenue. So Nathan's going to start looking at the boards and trying to get ready to summarize those while Jesse... Oh, well Jesse finishes out the cards over here. Oh, cards are done over here. Oh, the cards are done, okay. Yeah. Well, Jesse, are you ready? I know. Go ahead. Yeah, it seems like if everybody was able to give their feedback, it seems like we got most people over here. The number one answer, the number one is life. It's coming in and out. Edgewater should continue to have a small town feel that ice-pring. And then number two right behind it is the city should continue to invest in projects that improve water quality. Everybody loves good water quality. Number nine down here, which seems to be the third most frequent. The city should continue to invest in improvement for walking and biking like sidewalks and trails And then fourth looks like it's edgewater would benefit from a new community center space with activities for residents of all ages Yeah, there's a couple on here Yeah, there's a couple on here. One is, so this board was just describing issue or an opportunity within the city and it's got the citywide map. This one is saying affordable housing based on what edge water can afford, not based on the county average. And then two of these are talking about the bike trail. I guess there's a non paved trail here. So one of the comments is to potentially pave that as a bike route. And then the bike trail from Roberts Road to Dale, what path or route and woodland need to be acquired. That's something that would need to be looked into. Sam, do you have any thoughts on that one? Okay, sure. So the proposed bike trail, which is the extension from Roberts Road, and then it will connect back into Dale Street or the trailhead at Rotary Park. The design is still underway with the consultant and this is a project, actually a DOT project. It's a sun trail project. It would come from US one at Roberts Road, go pass through in front of Whistlestop Park so that on the north side, the road. So we're going to go pass through and front of whistle stop park so that on the north side so that extension there would be a sidewalk on that north side you know how right now there isn't. So we're working with D. O. T. and the real way to put a pedestrian crossing right there. And I believe it would come up through Hybuscus, and then down 22nd, it will kind of zigzag through the shores, it'll cross for 42, where DOT would put a safe haven pedestrian cross in the middle there with lights so that it would stop traffic when people are crossing. It'll go up through Mango and then connect down on to West Park Avenue and connect there into Rotary Park. I believe that for most of it we are just going to use right away that is already there. So most streets in Florida shores and of course, Hybuscus already has a 50 foot right away. So the street is only 24 feet and then you have 15 feet on each side. So we would just be utilizing right away that's already there. I think there is some right away that would need to be looked at. I think it was a long West Park Avenue Randy. If I remember, if I recall some of our discussions with DOT where they talked about that, but that's a county road. So it would be a partnership with the county to do that. But that's kind of where we are right now. Again, it's still under design. They're trying to find the best route where we have the least amount of interference or the least amount of disruption for any of our residents. I guess it's a better way to put that. for any of our residents. I guess it's a better way to put that. Okay, looking over here at the Park Avenue Board, a number of comments about transportation traffic. So concerns about speeding, concerns about sightline and being able to make turns, concerns about, it seems like, and the person who made this comment, if you want to clarify, traffic is a huge issue on park avenue with development main street. So I'm not sure if that's a tr trap problem today. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, that's driving. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We also, this is a comment about visual access to the river. So people want to make sure there's some visual access to the river. I think it says from dining apartments. So the idea if there were new apartments or dining that people would be able to see the river from that, I think that's what that's trying to say. There's a comment here. Well, let me do this one first. So this one, this person thinks the boat ramp is a problem and that it should be replaced with a restaurant or something else. I'll say we actually in the 2008 vision put a park out there instead of the boat ramp. We got in a lot of hot water for that. So we understood there's some people who are very invested in the boat ramp. On the balance of that, the survey results said there's a lot of people who are interested in other ways of accessing the water that may not require a boat So this is definitely something the cities aware of in terms of you know people who are very interested in having the boat ramp and more boat ramps And people who also want to be able to access the water and in different ways if they don't own a boat or they don't feel like pulling it out that night Comment that residents behind an on-park avenue would need an opportunity to give input on the main street. So one thing that I do wanna comment to follow up on the previous question that we had, if there were a comprehensive plan change, every property owner would be notified, that would be affected. And typically there's a, and Sam Smith, Samantha you can correct me if if I'm wrong here but typically there's a radius Around which everyone's notified. Do you know what that radius is for the city? So city staff will send out a 500 foot buffer around the affected area So anyone within so if it was a one square block, a 500 feet of that entire one square block would get a public notice for the planning and zoning board. So that is, I think that's everything on this board. this board. We have pretty good, pretty positive feedback on this one, I think. So it's a good site for potential civic center, which I think is the idea with this new city hall is that a civic center would come with it. It's more of a question of is city hall a done deal on the site? We'll give back to that later. But emergency shelter for hurricane evacuations. Somebody thought that would be a good idea of where that shelter should be. One is the site is a long way from anywhere. It's... See, Ver is that one, that's probably my issue? Good catch. This site is a long way from any residential areas. We also have some ideas of what could be put here, which I think, and a couple of people double down on, so I put checkmarks on. A bike and walking trail around the lake, mixed use on the lake, so having some retail and shopping and dining also on this site was an idea, I'm not sure if you can see that there's a lot of things that are going to be used on the lake. Having some retail and shopping and dining also on this site was an idea. I guess another comment on this one sticky note is city hall on the Indian River. Maybe that's where they prefer it to be. Or maybe what are we going to do with that site. And then a shared parking garage on the site was also suggested. Would you want to comment on any of these? Like, is this a done deal on the site? Yes? Yes. Yes. Okay. So it is a done deal. Yes. Or at least the, the, so it Hall of Dunneal on this site. Yes. That's all of them. For the record, yes. Well, with that, that pretty much wraps our program. 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