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Good evening. Good evening and welcome back to the April 12, 2022 meeting of the Santa Monica City Council. I apologize for the delay and I also apologize for the fact that we are having audio problem. So, excuse me. So if you want to watch the meeting, you can go to our website to our site online to watch the meeting from the city's website. You also can join the meeting online to observe at htps.orgwislash-prinetime.lujins.com forwislash-atum forwislash-live-event forwislash-e-y-e-z-e-tp-w and all of this is on our website where our agenda usually resides. Finally, there's a phone number that you can call if you wish to listen to the meeting. And I would grab a pencil for this because the pen is a little long. And this is also on the website, but again, if you want to listen to this by phone, the number is 415-466-700. And the PEM is seven digits, is 426-7113. And again, if you weren't able to write down this information, it's on the website. I will repeat the phone number as we move along. But I should say it's really nice to be back in chambers and welcome to all of the faces out here. It's really nice to see you all. And we're happy to be here. We're happy to have you back. Council member Brawne. You need your mic. All right, is there any way that IT can put a scroll up of that phone number on the bottom of the screen? So people, yeah. There's just like, IT and closed caption or something. It would be on the Bluetooth screen. I'm a collision. I understand what I'm saying that way. in a closed caption or something. It would be on the Bluetooth screen. On the Bluetooth. You understand what I'm saying that way? Or on the city TV? Yeah. Because we have captioning on the city TV. God, on the Bluetooth. Thank you. No, this is just that, right. This is. I don't know. But I might make him continue. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so we'll find out. We'll try to scroll. But in the meantime, it is on the city with where I Agenda's reside. So. And I'll repeat the phone number once again for one five four six six seven zero zero zero. In four six two seven one one three. Okay. So in 4627113 out. Okay. Now we're back from closed session on the 3-2 hours city and ask if we have any things to report out. We have two items to report. Item 1A conference with Legal Counsel, Otto Hasselhoff, or City of Santa Monica. In 2018, plaintiff Otto Hasselhoff, first city of Santa Monica. In 2018, Plaintiff Auto Hasselhoff purchased the landmark property at 2009, Lemesa Drive from Great Riles. The property was the former residents of Actress, Catherine Grayson in November of 2010. The landmark commission found that the property was a city landmark. This action seeks to invalidate the 2010 landmarking decision on various grounds, as well as the 2013 settlement agreement. The action claims that the city's recording of the 2013action, parties have mediated the claim and negotiated a non-monetary settlement. In broad strokes, Hasselhoff would agree to a stipulated judgment, dismissing the lender of title claim with prejudice. In exchange for the city agreeing to modify the 2013 settlement, to reflect that the prior code violations have been remedied, which they have. The reference permits have been remedied which they have. The reference permits have been final which they have. And any prior release of the 2013 settlement will not impair their appeal. Second item to record out on is item 1e. I'm March, this is. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Yeah. So, may I have a motion to approve that? Move, settlement. I'm just saying in the camp for the other. Yes. Okay. I'm just saying in the camp for yes. Other. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I was going to rock. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So that passes. Everybody push your button. I get you. Preston. And you usually push mine for me. Okay. Here we go. 6 to 0. I'm sorry. And city attorney next item. One e. This is Jones Thomas versus the new Santa Monica. I'm sorry, now in the city of Ernie next item 1e. This is Jones Thomas versus the city of Santa Monica. On March 21, 2017, the student Thomas Donald Thomas Jr. a pedestrian using the city's pan foot machine in the Civic Center parking lot was struck and killed by defendant, obsadi, cadene. The city's wife and children bring this wrongful death claim against the city, alleging that the configuration of the parking came machine in the Civic Center parking lot constituted a dangerous condition of public property. The city denies liability. The parties have agreed to sell for the sum of $350,000. Well, yeah, your motion for settle. Move by the laboratory. Seconded by Brock. Let's have a roll call. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Thank you for doing that. How's your that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. do our consent. So the other items were heard no reputable action on the other items. I would now we do travel, right? So, Council Member Farrak and I, on the weekend of April 1st, we attended the Independent Cities Association winter seminar. The main focus of ICA is to bring elected officials together to focus on public safety, education, infrastructure, and intergovernmental relationships. We attended sessions and heard updates on what is happening in other members' cities, from fire departments on how they are adapting and responding to calls for service and had a wonderful keynote speaker, John P. He's an affordable housing builder from New Life Economic Development. He's also an attorney and he's also someone that has been fiercely fighting if you will, as the SB9 SB10, it's a wonderful, wonderful speaker. I also have an opportunity to moderate a panel discussion on crisis management and the elected official. Anybody else? I could. Like your phone, this is when the audience is here. I attended that. I saw people here. I know how loudly I speak. I think Christine, the remarkable job of talking about the conference. I want to highlight Michael Schellenberger, who has just written a book, The Homeless Situation in San Francisco. Anyone in depth on homelessness, on drug addiction, extremely informative. That was our first seminar of the day. That set the tone for me. We were in seminars for approximately nine hours that day. I was pleased that we were both with council members from our neighboring cities, from Beverly Hills, from Culpris City, from Torrance, from Redondo, Manhattan Beach, et cetera. So it gave us also a chance to talk to each other about the shared issues in our cities. So I was very grateful and I thank the City Council for this conference. Thank you, Councilmember Brock. And now we can move to the city managers. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I am welcome to our employees and members of the public. We're really excited to have our first meeting him person. And for me, this is my first meeting from person as your city manager. So very exciting. Oh, and for many, I'm trying with many others. Just this is exactly. So a few things I want to report on. First, we learned last Friday of the US Postal Services decision to stop providing mail service to our residents in the 1300 block of 14th Street. And I want to thank the City Council. I want to thank our police department. I want to thank our Office of Communications for immediately jumping into action and addressing the situation. Very pleased to report that as of today, the post office is delivering mail back onto the 1300 block of 14th tree. And we are working very hard with the post office to mitigate this from happening again into establish much better communications with them so that we can support our residents. Should they decide to take such a decision without working with us in the future. Second of all, I want to really give a big shout out to David Martin and Jennifer Taylor on our community development department. We've been working really hard. One of council's path goals is to really move forward with an inclusive, equitable economic recovery. One of the things that we've been doing is really trying to uplift and celebrate the businesses that are coming to Santa Monica over the last year. We've seen about 750 new businesses established themselves in the city. Really exciting and I'm really thankful for their efforts to help promote and elevate the businesses coming to town. Obviously, the viable support for schools support city services. So it's really important to be get behind our small business community and support them. And then lastly I'll just conclude with the screen for the screen celebration. I just want to wish everyone in our community a happy Passover and all of council as well. Happy Passover and happy. So thank you very much and I don't think through my comments for tonight. Thank you, City Manager. And we have shifts, I'm sorry. So how many? Right. So wait, I didn't give you the chips though, right? Oh, where? Oh, where? Oh, I see. Thank you very. Oh, how cool was that? Okay. Okay. Ms. Barton. Oh, I can do that. Here you go. Good evening. Let's start with the city manager refusing to return my calls about the planning department, slipping the staff to see if alterations will negatively affect the affordable housing bit. Of course, the way for into the bright lights, which intersdo my apartment to the front wall at the NRC building as well as the raising of the building, closing the occupies area, it's restricted air flow to be fort allowed in the unit. And all of this was demigrant administrative approval for the class. For our city manager, A.K. executive director in the housing of 30, is this supposed to be to say, I have a little, you care about affordable housing tenants within the city. When the administrative approval process gives against the municipal plan, municipal code, and the downtown system planning and regulation. And the only thing I've heard about this for my name or for someone who worked with an RBC call with David E. Melodra. First, when you have a jury case, they can director the housing authority. I hope you understand. I have no authority to affect the cities and the administrative of the community. So why is this coming back to me? Isn't city staff responsible to address this issue, not me? Unless of course, it's that it was done intentionally, done, to retaliate against me for speaking of city council and other board and commission meetings. I ask because there's been no resolution of the issue that I've been talking about in the crowd on now. Another example of how the city discriminates against seniors from the state will, based on my management, tried to turn off the elevator off during the elevator off over the weekend in February, but I believe co-confidence came out and that was a boy here. And last Thursday night, the elevator was turned off. Friday day it was on. And Friday night it was turned off again for the weekend. And this time co-compliance that they don't do all of it. Thank you. Thank you, the party. Mr. Alley, come on out. Thanks. I've assembled some photos for the last couple of days in the last week, which we can ask the needs to go through them. Good evening. Good evening, manager. Why maintaining safety for those of us in Santa Monica and our property are your job. Everything else you speak about tonight will pale in importance. By continuing to keep the garage dense to runes open all night for the homeless, the drug dealers, the sex workers, and attackers who take refuge there, you are contributing to the growing crime and assaults in the city. You are dishonoring the homeless, the residents, businesses, and yourself. You're ignoring our requests, not close to Amsterdam's at night, is not compassionate, it's not right. I have brought you two letters from infectious disease doctors who warn us of possible spread of disease when you're hearing the disease, the vomit, the rinses, flies, garbage, not to mention the increased time in money spent on additional maintenance. We have 911, but we have no corrective security or law enforcement from midnight to 7 a.m. How many more fighters attacks and break-ins do you consider normal? I don't think you care about the homeless, honestly, for the quality of life for residents, 80% or 66% who do not come to the promenade. Rather attack, let's begin. Why are completely vacant promenade? Down down. We're losing small and large tenants due to building conditions and they're trying to take away garage. Please slide track. Once or twice a week, entering the garages and halling weights, please. Please get an educate on this. How many people are asleep alongside their own bodily fluids? And if DTSM refuses to do so, would you please pick up the loan tonight and remove the abandoned swing sets that's in garage five right on the side. Thank you, Mr. Alley, your pie this summer, and have been suicide. $1. Thank you. Thank you. Does anyone have any questions? Uh, so now we move to the consent count. The All items will be considered and approved in one bell. The rest are moved by a council member for discussion. In accordance with charter section 615, the adoption of all ordinances and resolution shall be by reading of title only unless the council member president dispensed. And I ask if the council would like to combine the city council and the housing authority items as they are being heard under the consent. Yes, please. Okay, I would like to ask that a housing authority board Denver to talk for and please come and join on the guide. I'm sorry. And while she's coming up with me, let me announce that City Council members should get paid $50, just spending that for housing authority. Let me call the roles. I've already member Tara. Here. I've already member David. I've already member Brock. Here. I've already member David. Number 10, the 40 number data, authority number Brock, authority number data, authority, chair, program talent, chair, program rich, here, and housing authority, board number cup. Here. Okay, so we have three speakers, the winner question is Peter on this. And the speakers are Aaron and Dean. I see can be online. Okay. Thank you. So in the order that I have you, wait, but you can only have a total of four minutes to be given. Okay, I'm currently not returning stuff. Okay, that's an end time. Okay, so I'm sorry, I'm still maybe there. It's donating time. And you are your camp camp. Okay, so can't you donate it two minutes to Anton and Walla? Is that client. Okay. So can't you do it in two minutes to answer on a wall? Is that right? Okay. Okay. I got it. Okay. So let's, um, okay. Fine. Missed on a wall. I'll hold on. I'm going to turn your mic on. And now let's hear it. And then just one other clarification before I start. I just want to make sure that I can finish whatever step is like in before I could cut off. Is that okay? Is it smart to be run on? No, well, it's just that I get a sentence. I know a sentence. You know a sentence. I know a sentence. Okay, so now I'm writing to me. Thank you. So, hi everybody. I am talking about this particular item because my concern is that I'm going to view an analogy. So, wait, near end of the Ocean Park neighborhood. I'm alright, so it is not big about you. It's just about giving an idea. So, every neighborhood has an association. And anybody in that neighborhood can enjoy their neighborhood. The city of San Juan has support those neighborhood associations. I think it's wonderful. I have mine. We don't have ours. Imagine if you were in a neighborhood association and you were told, hey, you got a neighborhood association board. You can't talk to that board. You can't do that board. There's no more community impacts. You don't know whether your neighborhood is a part of that board. Or you don't know what that board is actually going to speak for you. And you should be good at so good about that. I don't think you feel good about that. I wouldn't feel good about that. My board said that. But here we are in a situation where we've got a resident and vibrate board. Thank you very much for stepping up and doing that. But no one can come and talk to you or have a conversation about the plan. And so I'm here to advocate for a website and a way to the city to put people together who are blowing on folks who have lots to share, who know how to make something better because they're living through this process that we have at the housing authority. So what better way to do that would be to facilitate to fund some money so that these people can put the website together, communicate, figure out what's working, what's not working, talk about the plan, and comedy is meetings about the plan annually, and really be able to put stuff together and say, this is what we think we need to do. And I'm saying this because I've been through the process of helping people get housing here in San Juan. If I've been in advocate, particularly for women, particularly for older disabled women. And I know that the process is broken and I can't do anything about it. And I like people to have the agency to do something about it. So I'm asking you, respond to people. And we're talking about 3.3% of the same amount of population here. We're talking about 1700 households, voucher households, who should be able to communicate with one another. They know what the struggle is. They should be able to talk about that struggle. They should be able to fix the problems that exist with because they're always going to be a problem. And there's always going to be a solution. And the people who know how to figure out where the problems are and make the suggestions are the people that were surfing. They don't have an opportunity to meet with each other and they need to have that opportunity. So I need you to fund something, not let the city runs, not let staff needs to get involved. They don't. They need to facilitate the initial ability to put the message out there to say, hey, we've got a resident advisory board, we're going to hold some meetings like neighborhood groups hold their meetings and you know join our, join, join, we've got this website, contact us, we're in a host meetings at the library, we're going to host meetings at the Care Network Center. Oh, fun with this. Fix this problem because no one else is going to do it, but you guys. And you wouldn't be satisfied if you were sitting in this position and no one else is sitting in your position. Who else can I talk to, who knows this suffer, or I need some help and I'm not getting it for where I need to go, but I know there are people out there who've been through this. I want to talk to them. I don't have a feeling to them. Thank you. I'm sorry. Next up is Denise Barton and then we have Treeson Roscoe's part. Hold on, wait, there's your mic. Now start. Sorry. Good evening. Let's address the annual plan of the 7-month k-housing. Starting with there were no comments from the route. I said didn't advise you for it. Would that be because the 7-month k-housing is created a farce of a route that patrol over it and what information on that which would not reflect well on the 7-month k-housing activity? In addition, the 7-month k-housing authority does not want section 8, and it's to be able to organize. Because if the tenants were allowed to talk with one another, they would find they have a lot of the same problems with the 7-month housing authority, which the 7-month has a greater use of your dress or your smile too. Which again, doesn't reflect well upon the 7-month housing. So I'd better wait for the 7-month housing authority to avoid the negative exposure, but this is how the dollars for out wishes the reason no meetings are facilitated since the beginning of the sham round. And the reason the round representative is that we swan the phone messenger email from Section 8, kind of the Santa Monica. Then did the Santa Monica housing authority take funding from sitting having a round in facilitating meetings? If so, it's just housing authority, take funding from city having a route and facilitating meetings. If so, it's just another program you take funding for that in reality just something. Not to mention the ways the Santa Monica Housing Authority continues to discriminate against the years that they're disabled. Next month, the Santa Monica Supportable Housing being damaged by one star manager, victimizing the family. And you're wondering why not your housing plans are passing? Really? Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Barton. Ms. Horoscoe? I'm starting out. Yes. 30 things, Pam, on a thousand and 44 in city council. I'm speaking on my own behalf as a resident advisory board member and not a vice chair of the housing commission. I object to the approval of the annual one in the Ministry of Plans that the resident advisory board has got no opportunity to meet and collectively respond to these plans. So they do not include the voices of over 1600 voucher holders in the city. In more than 14 years, the rab has never been allowed to meet. To this day, grad members have no way to contact the church. Dr. holders lived and scattered individual housing throughout the city. The staff continues to intentionally prevent grad members from communicating and holding meetings to quite numerous requests, some of which you have heard over the past two years. You, the Health Authority Board, are the policy-making body, and yet you never establish the Santa Monica President advisory board. Never codified what qualifies a person to be a member of the rat, who in the rat rats are, how many there are, how they are selected, or elected, the length of terms of their responsibility. Most of these decisions were never made, and any that were were not issued by you. The policy making body. Instead, any decisions have been made by six support staff without any public process or any request that you direct staff immediately schedule and notice the first grab meeting. And your next meeting you're endeavor to notify the details with the proper public and public meeting process. Ms. Cochran, I thank you for being here this evening. And even though you are a RAB member and were selected as a representative, you do not represent my views as a RAB member. I have never been able to reach you and I've stayed with you emails. And I've also sent emails to Donald Brown to me to want to keep you up and up. Return to my email address. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Raza. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. member Taylor Tarn. I wanted to make a comment to the public comments that were just made regarding the resident advisory board meetings. I wonder from staff like how long would it take for us to put this first meeting together. I mean what I'm hearing is that we have a cat one. So we have to pull the item. We're talking this was just all what the consent calendar item. Three polling with this. Polling items. Okay. So I'd like to poll 3c, 3e, 3i. And does anyone else want to pull out the other consent letter? 3D. 3D and 3R. So is that okay, so it will somebody move the remainder of the? I will remain if we can take care of it. Move by data, somebody get the military second. Move by data is second by data. At roll call. Okay, so pretty odd. Just so much guys now. Free I is the housing authority item. Yes, but can you still have minutes under something? Go ahead and do the whole report. Authority Councilmember Park. Yes, authority Councilmember part. Yes. 30 councilmember Davis. Yes. Air and Air Force 10. We're calling. Yes. A 30 councilmember brought. Yes. A 30 councilmember village. Yes. Air. Air. Yes. And so what we're going to do is move to reorder the consent agenda. And so we need to vote on the committee by acclamation. May we hear three eye first counsel? Yes, by acclamation. Great. We have a staff report. I think so because I think this is somewhat of a complicated issue that residents need to have clarification on and we as a council need to have clarification on. So yes, a report please. And tonight, one of the clear points for which I think there's kind of two issues that we have. One is on the agenda to be trying to be correct because the actual admin and. But then there's other discussions about the advisory board, which I think is separate from the agenda is that I'm trying to figure out you want to talk about. He is by the report piece of it or they have been. And also to be clear, what's agenda is the consideration of the admin plan. So extensive discussion on the RAV would not be appropriate on the agenda because it has not been noticed as the formation or the procedures or the operation of the RAV. So I think they can make cursory questions about was the RAB involved? Because that's part of the admin plan, but as far as the organization of the RAB, it's beyond the no session agenda. I'm sorry, the open session agenda. Is it a participant engagement or resident input? That's what I'm saying. So the questions about asking whether the RAV was involved, that's part of the administrative plan process. But to the extent that the questions go to, how should the RAV be formed? What should that process be? That gets into the organization of the RAV, which was not noticed. So all I'm saying is to give proper notice so that others can participate in that process, then it should come back. Yeah. Then I feel that this is interconnected and I don't think we can improve the administrative plan without actually, without in addition having a full discussion on the resident advisory board that at least some residents feel has been put off not only for a month or two months, but for years. So I would rather table this discussion, table this item, come back, rework it, and come back with a full discussion of the Resonant Advisory Board and the Administrative Plan because I know I wouldn't be able to build on the Administrative Plan but that also talking about the Resonant Advisory Board. So I moved that we other thing is that although this is an answer. The administrative plan actually was, and there was a staff report to the housing report. And there was no objection to passing this plan at the housing, I'm sorry, the housing position. at the housing, I'm sorry, housing, there was no objection, comments were solicited and no one said they should not be passed because the rab is inadequate. Yeah, and I just don't want to, I don't want to be misunderstood. In other words, you could ask questions about the public process and the involvement of the rab in the, like the noticing process and their input and so forth, whether they didn't get input, but some of the comments were going towards, you know, the frequency of the RAB meetings and, you know, the initiation of the RAB meeting and that's all I was commenting on, because that's the part that was not noticed. part that was not noticed. So we have a motion that's been seconded to the table. What is the, if I could ask the House administrator, what is the penalty for not turning in that plan on April 17th? Is there a penalty? Well, it's your question. The federal government is the oversight body of this because it's a federal program they could with whole funds they For example, so we don't really know Well, I say I think they have no they have my discretion when we're not in compliance with So might okay then How So, okay, then, how do we, we've heard this before, we heard this six months ago, eight months from residents, and it may be a small group of residents, but I know that wherever there's a small group speaking, there's probably more people behind them than aren't coming to meetings and aren't speaking right then. My question is, can we rectify the concerns tonight in that administrative plan that allow the residents who want a resident advisory board who want meetings? Can we include that in the administrative plan then tonight so that I don't proceed with trying to table the motion. We're table the item. Let me just say that we have another representative, a real representative from the Resonative Eyes report here who has not complained and perhaps we ought to ask her if she is concerned about the communication. I think you're making a lot of assumptions based on three pieces of oral testimony. And while I think that this may be an issue we should deal with in the future, I don't see it as a reason to hold up at our entire housing authority annual administrative plan tonight. I mean, this is an issue with the deal with the House. And my only my only feeling is that I've heard since I joined the council and before I joined the council that this keeps getting put off. So I'd like this to find a way to rectify any board's delays on it. So I guess what I'm asking from the housing administration is there a way to incorporate resident concerns. And obviously, yes, I welcome your input as well. But... Now, she's got that. But my question is rather than have to bring it back then, since the RAB is part of the administrative plan. Correct. Susan? Yes, it is. Okay, so we can achieve probably achieve some without a protracted discussion. I think what they're asking is, how do we get to the two or three objections? I think Anne Hannah Walla mentioned those as a member of the public a little while ago. How do we try and solve some of those problems and still get your administrative plan on time as set of asking HUD for an extension? plan on time instead of asking HUD for the extension. One thing that Councillor Housen and 30 Board could do, to be point out that there are no proposed changes to the grant policies that we have. So one thing that Councillor could do is to approve the existing plan and direct staff that they would like to return with an agenda item to talk about the President Advisory Board. How do we do that without, I guess what you say. What about how do I do that without undue delay on the part of the staff? Because I know you worked before us last year and I think I asked somebody saying question. the part of the staff because I know you were before us last year and I think I asked somebody saying questions. So that's my question is how do we can you come back 30 days from now? I believe that what you do is you say I'd like to make a motion and then give directions to staff and then you ask our city manager and staff how long it would take to come back manager and staff how long it would take to come back where they study session proposal relating to the site. But rather than rejecting the item, I think that it's better to move that we accept that we approve the plan and staff come back. Right? Because it's not a simple matter of just adding something to the plan and submitting it. It's something that you have to vote on because you have to decide how you want to structure it because there are various ways of doing it, some of which are more resource intensive than not. So that is why the suggestion to come back with direction would get you what you want, which is so that you can have that discussion so that you can decide how you want the rap to be formed, but it won't hold up the plan because realistically you would have to actually decide how you would want the rap to be formed before it could go into the plan. So it's not a simple matter of just adding some words to the plan and then submitting it. It won't be timely and it would be risking basically non-compliance with a technical deadline that is subject to review by HUD. And a lot of federal funding. Yeah, as funding is online. I hear you. I just want to make sure if we do this, that this is not an extent because it seems like an extent. You have to hear, Phil. You have control and you have control. You just need to use your words to say I would like to have you come back and talk about it. OK. I'm going to have a look. What, what, yeah, look. I'm sorry. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what questions. So part of the plan. Thank you so much for being here. So part of the plan it said that there was committee input and it says that city staff solicited input from the board and it so were you on the board already that's between January and March? Yes, I have been on the board, but I really haven't had a lot of input. Mr. Kimber has been sending me information that they have put together. And I have read it over, you know, trying to understand and the questions that I had, I have a question to him. And this is only my second meeting. So, you know, I'm trying to get it all together and put it in a hit, but no, I have not been to a housing authority board meeting to say, since I have been that. I'm gonna remember. Just wanted to understand. And if you know, like your input comes up this plan, if you have any suggestions, no, I didn't. No, I didn't. To answer your question. And I have some of'm part of it. Maybe we have to, Jim, we just explain how that can put us for this work. Just in just the high level of reading, I think it will set up the future discussion. Well, just to explain kind of what the status quo currently is is just for background. Thank you. I will do that. I want to, it may have to start with some general context to you about the resident advisory board. The original figure, but the real regulations were set up for housing authorities that actually own and operate public housing. It is quite a different context when housing authorities both your landlord and your voucher administrator. But I did recognize and interpreting those regulations that yesterday would want, but we're compared to only housing authorities, which you would say one of the hands. They would want those voucher holders to have input into their into the housing authorities policy plans. We the way we currently set up the housing, the recent advisory board was informed by two main two key things we have. we wanted to create the lowest barrier possible to our voucher holders providing input. Because the ROAD's role is actually to put the staff, not to, as it is already boarded, to say, and then the responsibility is upon the staff to consider those, if there are proposing recommendations, consider those. And either they agree in those and his wire say we disagree and here's why and make those recommendations to the House and for the board. And the, the low barrier we're talking about is it's here plan, his or policies, email us or mail us your input. That's the barrier. But that you know that's busy. We are a very low part. The other main consideration we hand is as I say it's not not everybody on the budget program feels comfortable in a public setting, kind of outing themselves as, hey, I'm on it, but what still is a stigma about being on public assistant. And so we're beginning to want to provide them a way to direct input to staff to say, here's our ideas because once we get that input, we are, this is our responsibility to respond to them. In a public way that think comes back to the House in 34, in any time we've had input, we will create a sheet that it's not after a few years like we did in the same year, so that's the idea that was raised. And we could prove a discipline approach. All of you. In operating the way we currently have the President of my suburb, we directly contacted by email if that was their preference or make or mail if that was their preference. Not only the 1300 section 8 voucher households who consist of the President of my suburb board, but there's 300 other households in our other voucher programs that the grab and the federal regulations doesn't even address in this context of section anything. So we think about that as the broadest way, and it's inclusive way to provide direct access to staff. But if the council decides that a later time order question that they would like to do more with respect to the round than we thought they'd like to come back during the due diligence and may, June, and say here are some models to consider is the financial I have a question. Sorry. And the meaner. Okay. Just thank you very much. I appreciate you know the work that staff is going to engage our residents. And I do understand the challenges with some people, maybe want to participate in public forums. There was a suggestion by a speaker earlier, discuss a website and some sort of other channels where it's not totally public, but an opportunity for people to engage. And I wonder if that exists. In other cities, is that a best practice have you ever heard of something similar to that? Some type of platform where people can communicate and engage without being in a public state? It's certainly an idea. I will tell the Council and the House of Committee, but we are part of my federal lot from disclosing during anybody, you know, confirming somebody is or is not on a federal assistance program. And so we can't just publish the names of everybody and say, hey, get together if you'd like. And so that's one of the challenges. I think we'd have to, you'd have to do the work that is a multi-step process as a, as I say, everybody who wants to have your email shared with the group of other people, let us know that kind of thing. And that is not something that is ached. It's something that can be done easily. So we really want to consider research Okay, so there's ways to think about that. I was thinking even maybe the neighborhood groups might be able to As part of the granteed that you know when we provide grants to the neighborhood groups that they might be able to announce the you know members For those who want to participate in that type of platform, you know I'm sure as we brainstorm sort of how we might be able to do that, it sounds like there's a need for a more robust engagement process, or maybe it's just the fact that the resident advisory board hasn't met for a while, and so people are wanting to see that come back online. Anyway, but I appreciate that you are doing some outreach and I hope that we can figure out a good balance of engagement for residents that participate in our voucher programs. Next thing with David Elbs, the council board is that we give the same week to anything but that we've provided in the process about thousand code policies and programs so it's the same way whether it's a group of three or seven or one. So that could be part of the consideration about resources. Yes, Councilmember Hildes. I never brought one. Sorry. Any of your mic. I had a couple of, I've done all year without having that problem. I have a couple of questions that may help me and may help residents understand a little bit better. So I understand Inglewood, Norwap, other cities do have frequent, rad meetings of residents who were on those programs who want to participate in the meetings. Is that true? Can I thought you said you didn't know of any cities that have meetings? No, no, I did not say that. I will will, I will, I think I'm so we have been in contact and I'm conferred with Huzberg in every step of the way regarding to how we form the lab, how we engage, how we engage the lab members in order to provide input. What we were told I heard is that some housing facilities will do that. Yes, they'll give out a notice to a thousand of the But we were told I heard, and some housing authorities will do that. Yes, they'll give out a notice to a thousand of their graduate holders and say, we're going to hold this public meeting in four or six people will show up. And the housing authority, you know, is to claim that now it's done this public process. Again, we deal with this kind of direct contact with all our program participants. But what is the law or that? There is, do we have to make public beings available? Or is that something that these residents are fabricated? No, that's the problem. The problem is even for those that, one of the commenters submitted some written materials. And if you look at it, this is the language. P&Js have discretion in determining the method of appointment of labs, as long as the rabbi ensures that it's rab or rabbi's reflect and represent all residents assistant. And here again, section eight only PHAs have discretion in the rabbi appointment process. The problem is that the federal regulations do not dictate exactly how it is formed. So to answer your question, at least on the research that I have done, there are various ways of doing it. Some of them form very similar to a housing condition. Some of them, in fact, most of the ones that I've seen are like that, where it's more formal. And again, it really depends on the makeup because sometimes the housing authority has a large, they have public housing. And so if they have public housing, there's a much more involved process. So that's why unfortunately, there is some, not ambiguity, it's just discretion. You have discretion to decide how the rapture be formed. And that's why the suggestion was that you could give staff direction and, you know, give you some options for that type of choice. So I'd like to move to remove my motion to table the side of my second or will also be to that. Yes, I agree with that. He's got so what he's doing is we have to be able to take it. I am a prior. Yeah, that's yes, I'm sorry. I would try my prior motion. Thank you. I apologize for that. And now you're making a motion. I still want to. Well, first. I'm going to make a little direction. We. All right. I'll move that we approve the administrative plan and that staff returns to this body. We've been 45 days with a discussion of options for improving the RAV process. That include also authorizing submission of the fiscal year 2021-2023 annual. Yes, it does. Thank you very much, Council Member Davis. I'll second. That's all. I'll second that one. All right. Yeah, maybe we have a whole call. Does anyone want to discuss that? Let's have a roll call. You want to. Well, I just just, but I mean, are we can still give direction that afterwards? That we will come back and just I'm sorry. Okay. Just a quick list of this conference. One question I have for you. Have you received any training since you've joined? Is there any training, any resources that you think would help you make your job easier, something that we can do to support you? There is, Oscar, I think, some of the terminology would help me a lot. Is there were a couple of things that I need to have clarified that would help me understand some things a little bit better. And I know this is not to play because there's, you know, to go into that, but I would need some clarification on the couple of things. Yes, that would be a help. Okay. Great. Can we include also that staff? A contact Ms. Conkrand and the director of the housing authority or whichever appropriate staff member exists to give her some guidance and support. That's a traditional direction. Yeah, it's additional. Yeah, so we can make that happen. Yeah, that's fine. And our city manager said yes. So you will be getting lost. You're supporting you. Okay, so I think with that, let's take a roll call. Yes. Yes. Mayor Chair votes in the comments. Councilor Dory-Nember-Brah. Yes. Councilor Dory-Nember-Dalatory. Yes. Councilor Dory-Brah. Councilor Dory-Brah. Mayor Chair votes in the comments. Yes. Mayor Chair votes in the comments. Yes. And that passes 7 to 0. And so this comment, thank you. I think you can go home now. I'll do that for you. And thanks. We'll see you in three months. I am free to see it's a word request from proposal and to agree with this or a P down LL speak or do rise out of the management system. And council member Brock told us. So. So I hi, so I pulled this and I sent extensive questions to city manager's office. I presume you're one of the people. And I answered those. So here's what I'd like. There are some residents, and I actually got this period from a number of residents about the need to upgrade a system. Now, I look at and go, is 20 years old? Yeah, you upgrade to anything is 20 years old. I wouldn't be able to keep go, is 20 years old? Yeah, you have great A thing as 20 years old. I wouldn't be able to keep a computer for 20. Can you give a cliff notes version of what you sent me? And then I'll move to approve. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. The simplest analogy I can give is that I fold. I would be used to this one these days. Imagine I phone one. They can't have any apps and just makes a call. To the iPhone 13 that we have today, you can actually check the email, you can check your bank accounts. That's essentially what we're trying to do towards a managing our water wish or assets. 20 years ago when that asset was procured, it just said that if we data track the system and we can put that data in. If there's not an easy way to analyze and build a data out. As we're moving and improving all these new advanced treatment technology, that's kind of another construction next floor. A city center, the planning expansion that you guys saw in the January groundbreaking, all of that is not compatible with the technology that software that was there 20 years ago. Just like the apps that you try to download on an iPhone now, they can't do that on iPhone 4. It's just not compatible. So for us, the better advantage of assets that we invested in is 200 plus million assets, we need the latest and greatest software package as cater to water and wastewater to better assist us in having a prevented invasive program of proactive management practice, the program just starts around and we have to. And follow up. I just want to clarify because I forgot this when I sent my request of city manager, why do originally this is enterprise fund money that cannot be transferred anywhere else that it is more the use of the water department and our water funds correct that's correct okay and delaying this would just put us further behind further behind the eight ball in terms of modernization correct like the challenge we're going to have is the panic statute that was done in 2010. The Charlotte Post will go for us to raise the risk and project. All those assets are not currently catching our system because they have to be manually entered. So with these new assets being built, our design will be able to electronically load that in for us. If you didn't have this, somebody has to upload that manually as well and we have thousands of assets with each. So you will save staff time and be able to allocate those staff who uses it that they have to manually input to other tasks within your department. That's part of the challenge too, is we currently don't have any dedicated staff to use work. We have staff that pull and analyze their information, but we don't have staff that are not available. And thank you so much for that explanation. I move to approve. I hear a second. Move by. We're not seconded by Dela Torrey. Thank you, Mr. White. May we have a roll call for you? Yes. Council member. Yes. Okay. Council member. Yes. Council member. Yes. Okay. Council member Dave. Yes. Council member part. Okay. Yes. So that passes six to zero. Everyone push your buttons. I forgot. That's right. The next item is charity. A principle of modification to agreement with the active networking for recreation management processes. And again, this is quite Council member Black. So there were privacy concerns that were expressed by several residents about this program and software system. I also asked questions prior to the speed of staff. And I think the city manager or staff, whichever one was, gave a statement on this, which I thought was really efficient and hit the points perfectly. So if someone could just read that into the record for residents, then I'll vote to approve. Chair, I have the update. And I appreciate the question I had at time. So in 2019, HACTIG Net Work had a reach to its Blue Bear Education platform. The city does not use the Blue Bear Education Software platform, and none of the city's data was compromised in that breach. Nonetheless, the city takes data security seriously as we all know from our training for our deep information officer just with Chetapolo. We can assure any concerned user that active net does not share user information from Santa Monica recreation management system with third party. In addition, active net must comply with the California Consumer Privacy Act, which allows users to delete good personal data from any system. And we are currently exploring how to best notify active net users at this rate. Thank you so much. I move to approve. By your second. So by broad second by parra, let's have a roll call. All right. Yes. Council member Davis. Yes. There was in the comment. Yes. Council member brought. Yes. Council member, the military. Yes. We're going to. Yes. That passes 6 to 0. Yes, so 5A is off calendar that would be the Carl Ford items and will not be discussing Carl Ford and my it was continued. One of those. And let me read the number again if you want to listen to this meeting because I know people are having audio problems. You can either find in on the city website to the blue to I'm sorry to the blue gene site or dial this number for audio 415 465 70000. The pin number is 4622713F. Great. Thank you, Madam Clerk. And I think we're on to seven. The public comment is permitted only. Public comment is permitted on the board and says for introduction and first reading. They'll talk a discussion of permitted on ordinances for second reading and adoption. Again, in accordance with Partisan Section 615, the adoption of all ordinances and resolution shall be by reading of the title on less by the title only unless the council member presents, present, to present. the council member of the president's president's defense. 7A is introduction and discussion of emergency interim zoning ordinance. This stands in terms of zoning regulations of the NISAT of the municipal code chapter 9.39 and section 9.40.0.020. Increased thresholds for review and 100% affordable housing projects and certain tier 2 housing projects up into the housing accountability act by administrative field. We have no speakers on this slide. Thank you. And last but not least, yes. Thank you, good evening, Mayor and Council. Our decision is a very brief step for us. So this is basically coming back to the council to extend this ordinance that you have previously extended on January 25th, 2022, and just to refresh your on what it's about. This ICO would extend the streamline process for a token plan through 2,000 projects on sites with less than one acre, and a 100% affordable housing projects, those are your views through an administrative process which means none for tearing. The reason this is coming back to the Council for Extension is of course as you all know we received a lot of common letter from H2E that our housing element is based together to find so we need the additional time through March 31 of 2023 to ensure that the city is able to continue that process and to allow this idea to contain because. So you can see here just the background is to how we got to where we are on my face. So January 25th of the last time we acted on this. And again, we're for these nights request to the visual attention through March 31 of 2023. And so we can see the same conditions for the purposes. Thank you. Do we have any questions of staff? What is the question? Okay. Council Member O'Karrick, do you remember? So what I was reading the campus board, I think the questions that you better understand from the language. So under recommended action, it's that staff is asking as a thresholds for review 100% for housing projects being increased. So what exactly does that mean? Because they're asking for to increased threshold for a bill? Yes, so currently under the public health just the permanently adopted code, affordable housing projects with more than 50 units are required to go to a development or a new permit process. So they go through a public hearing. This ICO removes that 50 unit cast so it's a four-of-a-housing projects of any size, you know, would not require four. That's a lot of work to do. So it's 100% to four. 100% right projects where all the units are for future short-term. Question pad. Also pad, being increased, that they've they increased for certain tier 2 housing projects, subject to housing accountability act. You can also elaborate on what types of projects would fall under certain. The truth is, the reason we use the word certain is because someone could propose a tier 2 housing project that doesn't comply only with the restrictions in this ordinance. So maybe they're on a site more than one acre. Maybe they are asking for a site that is asking for a very answer of modification. So the only kinds of projects that would be allowed that are covered under this ICO, our projects that comply precisely with the zoning ordinance, and also a size of us. And I'll still have to do only with 100 percent. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the ines are deeper, stripped of 100% affordable ines. And in the other class, 50 market rate projects, so it's here to market rate projects that include, that may include affordable ines in them. But they're primarily market rate projects. And as long, the only way they can qualify is they must precisely meet all of these own in-code requirements. So they cannot see, that's from play, and so on, they must be all the development standards in this zoning code. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to have my questions. I have my questions. Okay. I was I was content to let you keep asking questions. So my questions because residents have been concerned by ministering approval. So if we type this somehow, does this was put in originally because of the pandemic and reduce that correct? This is. And, uh, good pandemic actually was without any of those council meetings before. Um, or, you know, the world change. Um, uh, when this was enacted. So it was not in response to the pandemic at all. It was actually pencils direction to bring forward this idea in anticipation of what we were seeing happening with the six cycle housing element process and the potential increase in marine numbers and each of these four housing production and finding a way to streamline that process because what we were seeing was a port of accounting projects like this is an example. They're often under very very tight funding deadlines and you know there's sort of set cycles under which they may be able to apply for texture and serve what have you and throwing a public hearing process in there. Particularly when you have projects that are fully compliant with the zoning code, they have protections under the housing and accountability. The city has no discretion whatsoever. The denial's projects are to reduce their density. So the sort of effectiveness of that public hearing process was something that was raised at the time and it was then it was further expanded to also a coping client market rate project. So that is the history of how this was enacted. I think this slide kind of gives the rundown the LST how we thought to this point. I'm going to ask a question on. You said tear to so the the 100% affordable is really and I'm still confused with this is for. Mandated by the state and we may not have any opportunity to adjust that and we need the affordable housing. My question then turns more to no, it's not so I guess I'm wrong because three people ship their heads at me. So I'll need more of an explanation of that but my question then is on the tier two projects which are market rate and affordable combos for the most food will they would always be. What is the harm of having those come back to the planning commission and giving residents it? Are there is there any flexibility for the planning commission in excess of a ministry approval to help control those projects or to have input into rather than just a RV? That makes I think my question is more concise. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's probably helpful just to go back again to the housing accountability act. And we would have a more expansive presentation, I think, an explanation of this in January, 2025. And your report has links to that, to us back to the board. Basically, the Housing Accountability Act severely restraints the city's discretion in terms of our ability to reduce the density of a housing project or deny it if it meets the objective standards in the zoning ordinance. So basically, if it meets all of the zone awareness, the city is really required to approve that project. You can't make it smaller. As long as it needs to be co-with that, that is the whole premise of the housing accountability act. And so I provide that context. We could do understand, you know, you're asking about, you know, what would be the harm of bringing back the public hearing process, you know, certainly that is a policy decision of the council. You certainly, yeah. Well, that is certainly, we can do that. That's not necessarily, either, here will stay close. Well, it doesn't, yeah. It's, it's, it's, It's the state law doesn't say it must be an administrative process. I do want to point out however that you did a thought to housing element. Was a program that said and then that this council voted on that said that you want to have by right now and this data has found right out of compliance. I don't think it would have, I'm just trying to responsibly communicate that, you know, we sort of shift gears at this point and it looks like it's something that's going back. I mean, we will talk about this at a future council day certainly, you know, that that's just all context, but certainly that is a policy decision of the council you know in terms of whether you want to extend this or tell us to to a man with the idea. So is there is there a potential. way to by-pre-Cate or segregate some of the Tier 2 projects and have a standard, there is a set of all Tier 2 projects to have some sort of objective standard at which case they would go to planning commission for a final look. It's not something that I think Tesla asked us to look at, so we're going to ask you now. something that I think Tesla asked us to look at. I'm asking that. Yeah, I understand that I'm not really prepared to kind of throw out an arbitrary limit. I think it might be helpful to understand what's be concerned with me. Like is it size? Is it over a certain sort of footage? Because the one that you could, I think that's what I needed though footage because the one that you're asking, I mean, I need to know. Maybe, maybe the answer to the question is, tell me what tier two is and what goes to administrative approval now. Yes, maybe that's maybe that's the easiest way. So here's your maybe time. Here's you is not like the same building throughout the city. It is height and FDR and it varies by zone throughout the city. If I were to throw a general idea out there like you're talking about probably four stories maybe five- ish. The main is density bonus. No, but no, no, that's without density bonus. I'm just talking about our zoning. Now, remember we talked about skate density bonus law, right? It's like the chair hands off. Immography is that every developer has the great. So you said if they have on site, affordability is so. So let's say people neighborhood was the's the peekable of Bartlett's and how and 30 of what's the height limit? In the end, I'm on this one. It's what it's like. It's what it's like. It's a lot of the stupid things. It's like neighborhood commercial. You can be somewhat of the generalization. But I don't want to miss it. Oh, I just heard of some of them. I mean, I know this now, but I think what you're asking about is the size of the random people 30. Or Montana and 14. So, so let me get so so on pico because pico has already is on top of this one dome. It has the possibility for neighborhood commercial and then there's some larger parcels that are mixed useful to far below. So on NC and seeing a brick commercial pico, if you do a, there is no sure too actually. It's's 1.5 and a 32 feet. That's basically, if you were to pick two stories, it's the limit in that situation. If you do affordable housing, you know, the zoning codes with the service are by the sort of greatest advantages for affordable housing. This often not limited stories, and they have the highest height, and they are drop to city. So that's an example of, you know, does that answer your question? Obviously I gave you the wrong address. But they may be sewer-glee, until they go on. I think that'll apply. If I want to be concerned about this, I'm pretty simple. I want to make sure that residents feel that they have a chance to weigh in and not everything is from now on. They will have no chance to discuss the project other than one meeting prior to it going to administrative approval because frankly, I don't know if the residents always trust or know what the administrative approval process is. So I think they're concerned that they could be hijacked and end up with something that's out of scale and may not be affordable housing. And you may have a developer who finds a way to use density bonuses, other bonuses to try and increase size of a project beyond what the neighborhood can bear, or at least they'll have a chance to come back and discuss it. So I think what I'm asking is the projects that absolutely we cannot touch those continue to be a ministry we approved. I'd like the other ones that we do have some discretion over to be able to come to the planning committee. And then I know Sue and Lameville. Well, what is that? Let me use that as a jumping off point because actually what's proposed here in the size EO are two kinds of projects we have virtually no discretion over. So the tier two project with our list of where it is in the city. So long as the tier two project complies with our current zone yield, we, the Housing Accountability Act, am I correct about this, Ms. Yal says, that planning commission, the city council, staff, nobody has the authority to deny permission for that to be built at the level proposed. We can nibble around the edges through the architectural review board, but we cannot constrain the height or density of the project. And that is free state density. They invoke the state density bonus, they get additional height and FAR. So what you're proposing here are two types of projects over which we have virtually no discretion. And I'm loudly finished. So is that correct? Yeah, that's absolutely correct. I mean, that's the problem by putting it into a discretionary process. When in fact there is no discretion, is sort of setting a very bad, well that was my next question. So one of the criteria for reviewing our next round of the housing element that we intend to submit to housing and community development. One of the things we have for a reason is that not only that we are not adding constraints on development of housing, we actually remove the constraints for housing. And in fact public process, adding public process, particularly when there's no discretion at the end of the line, could be considered adding a constraint on housing because when you add public process, you add time, time is money, and you also add late in terms of time, in terms of people getting into the housing. So even if we said, okay, we don't care that there's no discretion at the end of the day, but because people want the opportunity to have multiple meetings, could we not get in trouble with HCD because we would be considered to be creating a constraint on the development of housing? on the development of health. It is perfectly, yeah, I guess so. Santa Monica's process was certainly the subject of discussion and part of HG's comments. Our housing element, they really are quite laser focused on the treatment housing. From everything from procedures to fees to you know, partners to every step in the process for me for going through like an experience is also yeah it is something that you know we need to consider that that means that and I said this is only a policy decision of the council and it's certainly a good action. So I have a couple more questions. So one is, let's put aside housing accountability act and HDD and the housing element. If we are, and we may not be, but some of us may be interested in building more affordable but non-deprescriptive, isn't it also true that the more process you add, the more expensive ultimately the housing becomes? Because again, you're carrying charges, if somebody buys a piece of property, you're paying some sort of carrying charges on the property. So while the top is ticking, if you will, the cost of actually building that housing on a per unit basis or only one to measure it ultimately may become more expensive, meaning that the rents you charge for the building you ultimately build may in fact have to be hired to cover the cost of developing the housing because that's not ours. And then my last question, because someone's going to ask this, we'll just reduce the zoning so that the housing accountability act, the constraints, but we can't do that under state law because one, we can't impose any additional zoning type constraints on the development of housing or making. We can't do any down zoning in effect, any sort of housing. Is that also correct? So we can't say, well, we can live in the housing accountability act we're going to down zone because then we'd be in violation of SB33. Okay, great, thank you. So wait, before we go off, I go to a question. We're talking about non-deaf restricted affordable housing, I'm wondering what that is. And where it is. Well, I mean, we're trying to create more affordable market rate housing. It's just like, for example, taking parking out of the equation. So you're going to have market rate housing in the plastic. Except not. But not de-respected affordable housing. Why call it still affordable housing? There's de-respected affordable in that. But I don't think we need the full size of the eye of the whole. Well, I don't think we need to have that argument. Now, my point is that I think that if we're interested in building, since I think we're going to have to build more market rate housing, we would like to build some that costs less than what we see market rate rents currently are. And one of the ways to do that is to make it cheaper to build the housing. And one of the ways you make it cheaper to build the housing is to take process out of it because that compacts the time. And especially when at the end of the process you have no discretion anyway, what are we really achieving other than making the housing more expensive at the back end? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wants to exercise it. Why is it built through the process? It's a bit of an idea, right? This is getting all the information. They are working on this point. But certainly if you want to be recommended that you know not. He extended, you know, and we go back to River, hope for some kinds of projects. That is that is an option that is available to you. I would be redisant to recommend to the council take that course of action given where we are in the housing hell on its cycle and you know all the comments that we've heard from HCD and the effects of the housing accountability has on food compliant projects. I do have concern that we're creating some frustration in the process if we are telling people that you have the ability for input and the discussions when you really know, when the decision-makers have their hands tied and it does create a great end. I recognize it's a frustrating process with all of these. Eight laws and best of all, as we end up with buildings that are bigger than water zoning code allows, but this is what Eight Law allows. And ultimately, I'm more concerned, I'm always concerned about what's the cost of residents, just the residents of their neighborhood with development that they feel might be out of scale. Much more than whether a developer has to pay a few more nickels at their project accomplished. But I think my question is, then probably, hopefully, my final question, I think everyone also would say, would be, I want clarification for residents who are, if they are able to listen to this somehow, or read my lips. My question would be, again, tier two, as is presently configured and affordable housing. We as a council, that could not, none of those projects can come to us for appeal. And even if they were heard by planning, there can be no change in the final result, correct? Okay, that's what I'll explain. You wait and you look. Is there am I wrong in that statement? Is there any wiggle room or are we pretty much done? No, we're not. That is yes. This is it. I'll say projects were born. I I think we had maybe one. We got where you know a field and I think that's the it is a source of frustration. It was a source of frustration. So I'm actually then you know in terms of like because of the housing accountability act when a project precisely needs the zoning code. You know, there truly is no discretion to deny it or to reduce its items. And you might which is probably what people are concerned about, right? But that is where the city's discretion is really earned. We see that in the larger Gelsons project pulling in the early with people submitting questions and trying to figure out how to alter the result. So I guess what I have to rely on is that you and your fellow staff members and planning are going to do a rigorous administrative process that protects residents from their preposter. Thank you. That's what I want to hear album to approve. So I have a couple of questions. I'm just looking at 9.11.03L. I'm looking at this is a section of our municipal code 9.11.03L. I was looking at somebody earlier today about what the limits are. And I see that, for instance, moving on to tier two, the community benefits. So the maximum PiEIC on here is 50 deep right now. Most of them are 36, this is 50. If you, with a density bonus, how high could that go? It's honestly hard to speculate because there's no density bonus doesn't establish like a maximum limit in terms of what is what an applicant asks for. It's basically, I know. There's nothing like, you know, if you can only ask for more stories or more, it's based on, and the burden, the way that the law has evolved, as it was, has evolved over the years, that the initiative almost totally shifted the burdens of the city to prove that they don't need it. Does that make sense? Yeah, and even if our law is more so for instance if we get more affordable in our law they still can get density bonus laws so on the project for instance the essence project they can just do tier one but they throw a few affordable units in and then that budget and it used to be correct me if'm wrong, that if your law was more restrictive than density, but in other words, if it's more expansive, if your law are more affordable in the density bonus law, then your law apply, but they aren't doing that. It does apply to the bonus. Yeah, so the other thing is that you don't get density bonus on top of tier two. Right. That's what I was happy because you get density bonus on top of tier one. That is our edificities position. So I'm talking about any specific project, but we do have applications that are active. That are tier one projects, but they have requested density bonus and the incentives and concessions because the standard, depending, again, depending what they're asking, it's like you're either you need, you know, whatever that height or after your height, what it is, you know, that particular incentive to basically offset the cost of the affordable housing, the inclusionary housing unit, so we can get in your project. You have a way that you can also request is that if it's physically produced, the construction of the project is another justification they can use. So there's a couple of avenues under density bonus law to, especially, you know, ask for the providers for all zoning code. Yeah, there, yeah. So, but if we're doing here, if they, but they now can make a choice, they can go tier one and then use the density bonus law to get what we were on, our sort of play into it, right, where they would move into tier two, but they just go from tier one with density bonuses to tier three without having our walk. Let's say like that this is kind of a project. It's a project of site and those kinds of projects. Us all of the tier two maximums in our zone. So because the off site affordable UNS, as people must select and other means, they can provide the unit in the project. If you provide them off site and you kind of pull together into one building, you can't use density on the project. If you provide them off site and you kind of pull them together into one building, you can't use density on the spot. So then the other kind of project you're seeing is the tier one plus density bar. And so those have inclusionary units, you know, whatever percentage they have on there. And they're entitled to, you know, 50 percent, you know, whatever it is right on top of, you know, the tier one, if they 3R and then whatever height they need to accommodate the folks. So, so it isn't, this is obviously, but so these tier 2 projects would be what they are under our law with air rules of affordable housing production and then you come near from that and it's on screen line it's not all in within the law. And I think we should have a discussion about how to eliminate tier one, by the way. If this is going to be our position, but I do support this and I did believe that I do, I thought that was right and I didn't understand when councilmember Davis said that you get the density bonus on top of tier two. But as long as we have our own affordable housing program that applies to different tiers where we have our own kind of, that doesn't even allow a local jurisdiction to have a new district of the health insurance. Let's start calling on more expansive and curfew-marry order. I mean, I'm not joking. I mean, because really what we do is we get more afforded. And you can see that the density bonus law essentially is, you know, kind of like a ready-made, and visionary organist for cities that don't have a need for, for 40 years, right? So, yes. No, I hear you. So I'm sorry. I just wanted to ask that question, but is anyone have any more discussion on this? Let's take a look. How's the number of data is that? I'm going to go to the next slide. Getting the five days. You got it. Council member, the auditorium. Yes. Council member, the broad. Yes. Council member, the table. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, and there's a map. Yeah, so that passes 6 to 0. I can I push with. Okay. And I guess I'm ready. That's the final. And so, there's a commission and to a new name commission, we're killing chapters 2.56 and 2.60, and you do have one that you have to figure from that. Great. And now I know how a fine man. And we have staff report. Is news report? If I could even cancel, I'm making his own, this is Mr. City Clerk, who carries present of the consolidation of the three authority commissions that the ad hoc could create to consolidate that December of 2021, which was the commission on the status of them and the commission on senior community and the Social Services commission. I will be presenting the structural, the implementation of the Commission and the makeup of the Commission and the Council's meeting tonight as well. The Human Services Administrator and she will be here for a discussion on the actual scope of the Commission of the New York City Council. So, again, to act recognize that the City Council introduced for preshooting and ordinance in the chapter 2.48 of the Santa Monica Municipal Code consolidating the commission on the senior committee, commission on the set planning, the social service commissions, and to a newly named commission determined by council and repealing chapters 2.56 and 2.6. As part of that consolidation, it's been recommended that the new commission have a new name. Out of the ad hoc commission, one of the recommendations. People's commission, staff is recommending the Human Services Commission because it more closely aligns sexual organizations at the end of this department. The structure would consist of nine members, but first consideration to the members of the existing three-horse and conditions that any of those members choose to apply. This commission would be a working commission, the February ad hoc committees to focus on certain each areas of concern. For example, William and girls, LG, BTQ, plus community, older adults, and the body part community. The return to these staggered, following initial appointments, the initial, the plan was going to be determined by lots. The four seats expiring June 30th of 2024, and five seats expiring on June 30th, 2026. The current individual board of commission with these operations effective June 38, 2022, and the new commission would become effective July 1, 2026. But again, staff recommends that the city council adopt this ordinance, and again, I'm very answering the questions as a vault to the structure of the commission, and the Tasha can answer any questions if considered the mission. I have a big question. Do we have the name of the commission and Natasha can answer any questions that concerns the mission. I have a big question. Do we have the name of tonight? I mean, you do. Any ordinance? The name that was getting was the human services petition. But if that doesn't do your fancy, you can change a plan. Right? Thank you. Thank you. Do we have any questions? I need to change the plan, right? I'm using it. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have any questions? Council Member Delechor. Thank you very much for your report. It has or been in the history of Santa Monica, a commission for youth has a youth commission and so does the city of Los Angeles. And I think the county also has a youth commission. I'm thinking that it would be probably a good opportunity for us to maybe expand. It's nine members right now where you're recommending to expand to 11. So add two more and designate those two spots for young people. And so that we can have youth representation, specifically to focus on youth issues in the city center. I think. As well as a community working group and I think the end result is that I don't have it right here. We discussed it here. We have pretty robust discussion about to remember this like I know you were here because we discussed the attendance problems with them. Moran again, I mean all of these things and the short time and the hours and all of it. Out of here and I think decided to leave it alone for the moment. And yeah, and do more outreach and it's been, I mean, I watched some of the public safety reform oversight and it's difficult. It's a challenge. I think we need to think about it. I think we need to think about maybe it should be a separate, you know, but maybe we should have they use that jumps on every commission and see how it goes. But even when you get a good one, then it only lasts a year and that's fine. You know what I mean? So, but we have discussed this at some length, including connection, I think, with this. Yeah, and I understand. I'm just thinking it might be an opportunity right now to bring that discussion back and take some action on it that allows young people some representation because I can other than that it would be to create a whole youth commission which I would actually be more famous I would favor that more. I would too so let's talk about that and yeah because this has not been working. Yeah I mean because it doesn't create a state space young people when you throw them in with a majority of time.. I know, so okay. I hear you. Thanks for your question. I'll bring you back. Okay. Okay. So, uh, that would be a 13. So the Human Services Commission is sort of like the leading title for this commission. And then, yeah. I think Sue has another recommendation. No, no. No. I think she has another recommendation. No, I think we should run with this and then I should have a comment asking. That might be a good idea. That the commissioners wants to give in, bring some recommendations for a different name if they want to. But you understand what I mean, right? I didn't expect to be naming up to my so much this work. Any other questions? Seeing none, any other discussion? Oh right, we do have to, and I'm so sorry. So, Jerry Rubinner, you still have to have your ear. And then Theresa Morasco, you will be the next speaker. So it's one of my new Jerry. You have a catch about lineup on the wall problem. Sure. Okay. Thank you very much. Mayor Hemorich, council members. Do you manage your city staff, fellow staff, migrants, great to be back. They're at City Hall and for a few years, fairly thrilling in anyways, which gives a lot of hope. And basically, wanna thank everybody for the hard work of day planning. Keep our city moving forward. As far as the suggestion. I'm pretty sure if there wasn't staff and potential serves, you wouldn't be doing this because. In the South, yes, those conditions are needed to stand below and have been doing exemplary work for years and decades, needed that separate designation. So hopefully at some point, I don't be able to be done, but for how I understand it. You the best you can under the circumstances. I agree with that. I'll remember the editor's recommendation and here in Orange. We could use a youth condition. In fact, for some of your editor, I think you will remember that meeting we had at the KentEdwood Center many, many years ago, we tried to propose a, and went out to Valorville and saw the work they're doing at their youth commission. So, it's something to think about. And I really appreciate the work all the boards and commission. And they were good forest, task force, and disabilities commission commission and all the work that it does. So there are actually free consultants for the city. And you deserve to be fully supported. Thank you very. William. Can I turn that thing on? I'm asking the short. I guess. Yeah, that's quite a thing. Can you turn my mic on? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Here you go. I didn't realize it was an on before. Yeah, sorry. Here you go. I didn't realize it wasn't on before. Yeah, sorry. Here you go. Go ahead. Ms. Moronska. Thank you. Good evening again. Again, I'm coming to speak to you on the seven item 70 as a member of the community and not as the vice chair of the House. I have a concern with the consolidation of the Social Services Commission because doesn't this mean that the charge that required the commission to evaluate and create a report on the successes and failures of tax to your grantees goes away. Essentially not, there's no accountability as to the funding. Who then becomes responsible for providing accountability for the tens of millions of grants. Through science, what's working and what's not? Is this just another paragraph by the city? Thank you, Ms. Moronsco. I should note that the audit committee at this moment is doing a 55 on our Human Services grants program to look at the data. And since I've been on the council, there is not been central report out of social service. So council Member Brock. I have one comment I click on this. Right now this new body is scheduled for quarterly and it is three commissions of Malgame into one. I would suggest for the remainder of the year even when staff shortages that we go by monthly for the rest of the year rather than quarterly. Well, hold on, let's hear from Yachters. Hi, how are you? Thanks for coming. That's my the services administrator. Our thinking with the quarterly meetings was not to restrict the body, but to, that just as a minimum, with the ability to meet more frequently as needed for special meetings. What we have found in working with all of our commission and human services is a lot of the work is happening at the ad hoc levels where and then those ad hoc's come back to the larger body, make recommendations based on what the work that they've been doing as ad hoc's and then the body makes the decision and brings that to state council. makes the decision and brings that to the council. Sometimes having a monthly meeting, they have found often forever commissions, but there's a lot that there's, excuse me, not a lot, that there's ad hocs that are reporting out on monthly, but after a couple months or a few months of work, there's more that they reflect that. And you'll find a lot in many of the commission meetings that the minutes reflect that not a lot of monthly, anyway, I'll put on the top. If I can follow up, I'm not suggesting monthly, but you're having a new commission formed with new members where part of their work will begin to know each other, and being able to work together and decide on their common objectives, and they won't be able to do that if they meet every three months. So yes, well, I think they should be being monthly. I'm suggesting by monthly for the remainder of this year, which does only give you probably one or two more meetings, but I think it takes a new commission and putting it together with a large number of members. What I've heard from some other commissions is quarterly meetings. I just heard this from the Chair of the Arts Commission last week that he no longer, they don't really have that cohesiveness and they're unable to come up with new initiatives more quickly because by the time they think of the initiatives and it takes three months to get a going in three more months. So I would ask that we switch that to every five monthly for the remainder of 2022 and then look at for 2023 as occasion warrants. It means every other month, not twice a month. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant five months. Yeah, I never know whether it's GI. Five months, please, every other month. I wasn't asked you to pipe weekly or monthly. I'm trying to get... No, no, I hear you, but so may I ask a follow-up on that and that is so you know look I've seen commissions work super well with the ad hoc and coming back and the boards out where they actually do deep dives into the things that they're interested in but I think people need training in order to understand how to do this. And what I wonder is, are we contemplating if this is heavily at-hoc, getting, which I think is great, are we gonna do some training to help bring them along? I guess staff would support them and the ordinance being committee, or excuse me, this commission is to begin July 1st. The current commissions will sunset on June 3rd. And so there's nothing in the ordinance they can certainly meet. Monthly, they can meet by monthly, as there, I think that's a great concern or an issue that once a member brought up, they're new, they're going to be, you know, they can meet more. So the this ordinance is to move on beyond, you know, the new year or so. Yes, the day by all means, happy ability to meet more frequently, certainly in the beginning as you point out will probably very likely necessary. And there are the, we speak of people, they're planning to schedule as part of what we, you know, what we came back to the ad hoc, to have the chair and vice chair training in July, as well as we'll have the onboarding for the board. So, anticipate after you guys do annual appointments in June, that we will definitely need to have an onboarding, because we're probably making the point. And, you know, we may want to have a meeting for all boards in all conditions about how to write a report, how to do this. I think we ought to think about that. I would be willing actually to work on that with you and to help people with that having done this a few times myself. So including in my own little ad hoc, but I think it's important people know how to do it. I think we need you to pray them to do it, and on the one day we'll do that. Okay, that's what we're going to get. Yeah, and the ordinance does, which I believe you know, the ad hoc committee at Proc France, when you're appointing new members, you look at current commissioners from the Social Services Commission, the CASW and the commission on the senior committee. So then, permission, excuse me, so that you have that experience going forward. It's been a question. So I'm embarrassed to say, yeah, so it's moved, right? I'm just moving. OK, moved by the calendar. I'll second. Seconded by the... I'm one of many of the different directions. Yeah, or direction. Really quick. You know, and moving that we consolidate the commission on the senior community. And social services commission and doing the mission. How is it the human services commission? Thank you. And repeal chapters two points. And it's seconded by. Okay, so move on to count. Seconded by Brock. This is my direction would be that's for the remainder of 2022. As for the commission is formed in July that they meet five monthly. Thank you. Any other direction? Any other discussion? I think I made that pretty clear. So yeah, let's have a recall vote. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Next, we'll probably have a data inspection. Identity is Panama. A detection, 7.04.05. Adjusting the state's campaign application with the council. No, let's not do that. No. And we have no speakers. That's me again. Yeah. So, um, that's recommending that council adopted ordinance of just the city's election context and limitations of contribution from individuals. The code required the judgment to the city's contribution limit from individuals every five years to reflect inflation. The last time this was done was in January 2016. It should have been done last year, but that didn't happen. So it will occur this year, then the next time we will do it in on E 26. So the prior rate was driven in $40. The new rate would be $410. This would only apply to city council and great council candidates. And the new limit would take effect with this election in the 20th. Any questions? I have a number of daily. Does the city council have the authority to set limits for the school board or for the college board content? No. Because it's unlimited when you run for a school board or a city or college board. So I'm going to write a hundred thousand dollar check for one candidate. Okay, thank you. But here's 410. That's what that's what it's going to be now. Okay. That's one that you could. There are, I think, several wrap-free or assembly. It's the same as the state of the map. It's like two. I think you're several wrappers, you're assembly. It's the same as a statement. It's like 26. I mean, it's like 49. 49. I'm just hurt. We can't do that for the PACs for the full question community. No, I just have a good question. So if heard, this is, can you get $4,900 for the primary and then again for the general? And that was a, yeah, that's what I just wonder if it's, but anyway, I just thought you might know that off you. Okay, so, no, no, I always, I don't want to go to the next slide. Right, right, can we go higher than the 410, or is that, no, is that my DPI, W, H, S, D, enterprise, is that for early waiters. We have to let them the charter. And go to the low, there is no more time to prove that. Yeah. So as a council, divided by the council, there's a gap. And then the increase came about in 2016 or 2011. But there was a time in our history where they amount was much lower and it was triple or something. Right? At two inches, last at 205 or a lot of years. Yes, for a lot of years. On it in 2011, the council at that time moved it and I don't know why I remember this, which was your phone. But anyway, it went to grade 25 and then the five year in from that end 2016 was $15 or whatever. So it went to a small amount. But we ended up getting this time, I guess, because the inflation. But, well, yeah, I mean, I didn't count today. It's a lot of 410,000. But as a council, it's a problem. We have to pray to the bank as a ordinance. But could we get to put on, I don't think, and correctly, but we increase it for disillection. I think there's some provision about it that it only becomes effective at the next of lunch. To increase it to a thousand. I mean, just by way of speaking, would it be affected, and then that would become effective 60 days later, right, or 45 days later, would it be effective for this election design? I'm asking because I thought I saw something, I spent some research on non-disissue with something like it. And I thought I saw something, I spent some research on this issue of something I did, and I thought I saw a reference somewhere in the fact that it doesn't be effective for me, but I could be wrong, but I thought I saw. I wasn't, that wasn't what I was saying. So, avoiding Council members seeking re-election having some of that. Yes, being able to jack up their own contributions. But I'm just saying, I I'm not because that wasn't the issue I was looking but I saw something about it so that's why I asked that question. But in the meantime let's vote on the board 10. Yeah let's have a motion. Don't move too far. Can we raise it to 500? We'd We have to change the word. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. That's a great name. Well, I do want to say because we had a lot of discussion about this over the years and I think that, you know, if we do want to bring it back, people may be cognizant of the fact that one of the big issues, every election, is money. And the idea is, well, we don't want to disadvantage people from their ability to raise money. We start to raise the money higher and higher and higher and all of a sudden. Because it's very hard right now for people, most people can't afford to give $340 to a council candidate. So you raise it to what are we talking about? You know, 410 and greater number of people now can't make that. You raise it to 500 or 750. So I think, you know, it's easy to say, well, sure, let's just raise it. But you need to be cognizant one of the optics, quite honestly. You're lucky like you're trying to jack up your own contributions. And two, I think the idea is that if we want people to have to go out into the community and we have more people be able to participate and give it a level that doesn't feel like, the rich people get to have under-risk force, that's the fourth. So, I mean, I just think we're half after you want to bring it back, but I think you should give some. I would just mention that I think the majority of donors still would be small. Whether $25 or $15 or $10 or $100. I think our overall goal, this won't be now. This probably won't be while I'm on the council, but would do me to end up with city financing for our elections at least at a 50 percent level. So I think that to me at least would be the goal. Let me just say that there are cities, Seattle for instance, that's gone an interesting what's solving this problem. I've often thought it should be but not the top of our list at this moment. So but in the meantime we have a motion and a second and we talk about this in public. Well, I suppose they want that. The people with a lot of money, they put their money in the political action committee. They have no limits. So I just want to make that. Or it's a valid issue. Yeah, correct. OK. Let's have a vote. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, I can't marry him. 6.0. Wait, no, we do. We chose because I see it. Two speakers. I can't sit there. Good evening, Mr. nice to see you. Nice to see you. Good to see you, Mr. Good evening. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. I'll keep my remarks very short this evening. The C.V. staff is going to present our recommendations of the big robustness fair policy. The last time we presented a fair policy that you adopted it was in 2017. The recommendations this evening include study or fair list of In 2017, the recommendations, the CFD includes fund-stay, our Fairless Fairly-Pilot Program that has been under waste in the past July, which we feel was tremendously successful, currently 94% of our costs are used. Fairless, our contact was fairly, and it paid their fair. The final recommend if Fairly- recommended fair proposal has three distinct elements. These three elements are designed to make us write safer, more attractive and easier to use, and the elements work together to produce a better purpose outcome. The first element includes changes to the VVB Fair products, and includes resuming accepting the catch for our losses. The second element is reducing the types of fair media that we accept on border losses. And the third is increasing caffeine access to contactless fares, especially for unpaid customers and those without smartphones. Lastly, I'd like to thank our staff, especially our MCOs, our CS18 and our customers for their occasions, it's worth learning the fair pilot. I also want to thank you for your support. It got off to a kind of overall start, but we feel was successful. And lastly, I wanted to thank Tim of Bormick and Alfredo for coming to the store here this evening. Other of the staff that really led the charge on this for us is the now alternate over to Tim. I mean, he will all pretend our recommendations. So let me just tell you that twice this week, people are told me that big blue buses are better than other. So good job. Thank you. We like blue. Good evening, Aaron. Council and staff. For those of you who don't know me on Tim apartment, I am the manager of planning and performance at Big Blue Bus Department of Transportation. Let's see, how do I advance over there? There it is. So here tonight to seek your approval, we're changing this to the Fair Policy for Big Blue Bus. I'm also going to share some information with you about our contactless fair pilot and how that pilot informed our current recommendations of note in the new recommended policy as Ed mentioned work inclusion of free transfers for contactless agents in the restoration of acceptance of cash on board. So just to recap, the books happened at the beginning of 2020, the customers were using cash, paper passes, tap and mobile ticketing, and then on March 20th, 2020, the all-fair collection and use of the front door for a nearly a year. This was done to prevent drivers and passengers from COVID-19 transmission from touching the Fairbox or being close proximity to each other. And with the installation of protected barriers, Fairclips was resumed in February of 2021. And then in July of 2021, it may be launched in contact with Fairpilot. It was one of the cost of benefits of an exclusively contactless fair system for passengers. We pay their fare without touching the farebox or touching cash. Cash and paper passes will not be accepted on board if you bus. So the recommendations in the fare policy were informed by what we learned during the pilot. The changes that have been during the pandemic, and that includes both of the way people travel and also the way the world has changed so the technology is available. The new fair policy seeks to lower fairs to help attract riders. We're currently at 81% of three pandemic service levels but less than half of the riders have returned. So we do need to work to attract riders. We want to align our fair products with what customers want, maintain the safety improvements that we achieved during the pandemic and retain the travel speed improvements that have been achieved as a result of the contact with Sperid option. A public hearing on this fair proposal was held in February of 2022 and a concurrent public survey at over 700 respondents. What you see here is not what we are recommending but it's bad what was presented to the public for comment. It included free B2B transfers, reducing some fares, no longer accepting cash or paper passes on board, discontinuing some products, changing other products, accepting metro day passes, and raising the maximum age that children can buy free from four to five years old. But as I mentioned before, we had a lot of public comment. 700 people answered the survey. Within that, we had the ability to hand type of message. We had an excess of, I want to say just over 3000 antiphasages. There in your attachments and they were, it was a lot. And it resulted in a lot of significant changes to the proposal afterwards because we really wanted to be responsive to the public and meet them where they were. So as a result of the feedback and data collected on our access locations, not all the changes are recommended that were shown to the public. So taking in one of the the time, staff does recommend implementing a free B2B transfer for contactless fair users. And this touches a large number of our customers and it also aligns our care policies with Metro because that's what Metro is doing now. Staff just can be clear does not recommend continuing the practice of not accepting cash on board. In other words we recommend resuming cash collection on board while we still would like to see as many contactless users on users on board as possible for our bank customers in certain locations, a pain contact, a series of still-in-good media, will be uploaded in all the tap sales locations and learned exactly how many people are still using only cash. And that's about 33% of our writers. We not have a debit or credit card. And we measured the gaps in the walking distance between where you could obtain. It's just not tight enough to demand that people switch. So due to a recommendation that we resume cash collection, of course, it's going to result in the cost of cash collection continuing. And since as a result, it does not recommending that all of the proposed fair reductions be implemented for financial reasons. But this includes not recommending reducing single fair ride. The single ride, there it is, excuse me. In terms of the rest of the changes, staff recommends that we eliminate paper passes to lower the plus-to-care collection and replace the contactless 13-right pass with a 10-right pass. The recommended 10-right pass costs less per right and simplifies making plus comparisons. That does not recommend eliminating the one-day pass, the seven-day pass, or the annual pass. The relative utilization of these passes is low, but the people who do use them are passionate about the use of the passes. They feel that they should be able to retain them. And honestly, if we're not printing them on paper and all the joint on contactless, it's not much of a burden for us. Printing them on paper, describing them is not a bigger burden. So, retaining them on contactless Sermedia really was not much of an issue. That also does not recommend lowering the price of the 30-day regular in senior disabled 30-day passes. Those reductions are really not financially feasible with the recommended consumption of cash collection. That does recommend reducing the price of the 30-day youth pass $19. It's been at this price for several years. It was put out as a promotion. Both LE unified and Santa Monica Malibu, you know, fight are offering free transit rides on the go pass. So most kids have transferred off this pass onto that pass. However, with some schools not joining Go Pass, this youth pass is still the passive choice for parents of children going to schools that are not in the Go Pass system. That also recommends accepting Metro one day passes. This solves a recurring issue found when tourist persons passes at Eli's stations in Monica. They walk out of the station, down the bus and say, I don't think you're something that passes in that train station, we're right there, I can't use it on this bus, but it says it's good on buses. So we talked to Metro and we just want to accept their pass. It's unlikely that anyone's going to buy it, except for us, but it will solve that problem once we're all. Eventually, Metro is going to transition to the one-day Metro passable one day original and that will solve itself with this commensurate measure. And lastly, on this page, South Africa men's raising the age of the children right free from four to five years old, in alignment with the recent pains and Metro. This is going to close the age gap between riding three as a toddler and writing series on co-cast. Right now there's a little theory in the contingent garden depending on when you press go where you have to head for the short time. This closes that gap. So that's everything. And now here it is all on one table. So the things that we are recommending approval of just a recap is the free transfer no longer accepting paper passes, replacing the 13 ride pass with a 10 ride pass, reducing the price of the 30-day youth pass to $19, accepting Metro one day regular and senior disabled and three rides for totaling $ under, instead of four and under. The ones that we are not recommending are reducing the contact list of regular, fair for one ten to a dollar. We are, this is a double negative. We're not, we're not recommending the longer accepting cash. So we are recommending accepting cash. We are not recommending discontinuing the one day seven day annual. We're not recommending reducing the price of 30 day regular in SPM passes. And that is everything, I think. Okay. And to put that into a fair table that the consumers would look at. This is the same information just presented in another way. One thing I want to point out in the new limited office hours work we many varieties are now favorite single grids and multi-ride passes the monthly passes. And the recommended policy offers a 10-row pass with free transfer that we can call become a dominant fair product based on our understanding of customer wants. That pass is going to be offered $9.4 to 50% of your disabled. So that's 90 cents a ride for a 10-round ticket. Additionally, the discounts offered by using contactless fairs combined with our continued efforts to expand contactless fair access are expected to result in a continued migration away from cash usage. And as I mentioned, every rider of the Conlor away from cash will help make this a more efficient and faster curve. Almost again. There are a few additional changes that are intended to expand access to contactless Ferris, especially and most pointedly for un-banks customers. Those include paying commissions on past sales at retailers to encourage more stores to carry passes. Right now stores do not get anything of the carrier passes and metros. Pathbock is a bit of clear to us. Certain stores in the area have rejected selling our products on that basis. So we would match metros 3.75% commission when they sell our passes to the public. You also attend to explore new technologies such as QR code that open payment systems so that can help us expand access on technical payment. And lastly, we attend to create a program to identify and address the transit pair needs of vulnerable populations. We did interview some social service providers and we realized there's a lot we don't know about what's going on out there. And so we want to actually create a program to dive more deeply into how to get contact with Scaras and people's hands. Because that is the only way that you can get access to all the regional discounts. You can just upload and come to this. Click that. So this just, this table right here just puts everything on one page all the ways that we're going to seek increased access to contactless spares because it is a key takeaway from the pilot for this what we need to do. These efforts are intended to expand access to contactless spares and continue to attract people away from that sort of reply. So in terms of the pilot that we ran since last July, just a few facts to understand what actually happened. We did have 94% of customers adapt to panpeculeless various over time. The pilot introduced many of our cash customers to the taxes that have been traditional cash users. And for example, during the pilot participation has gone up sixfold in the county's concert low income and reduced share program on its life. The contactless service pilot has allowed us to increase scheduled bus speeds without sacrificing on type performance and it has saved about 9,000 hours a year so far in trouble time. And lastly, the pilot is clarified for us at what gaps will need to close before the benefits of contactless airs are conveniently available to all riders. In terms of protected impacts, the reduction in fair costs for providers is expected to increase a passive reactivity by about 150,000 customers annually, mostly from the free transfers and lower fares. And this proposal also will be expected to reduce fair revenue by $430,000 in just a year, $22,000, $23. And those reduced fair revenues will be offset by a one-time federal funding received from the coronavirus response of release supplemental appropriations act in beyond FY2223's operating subsidies provided by Metro are expected to increase as the funding allocation is partially rely on ownership. And lastly, we are always required to do a Title VI analysis for civil rights impacts on every fair proposal. This proposed fair policy was found to cause no negative disparate impact on minority populations or negative disproportionate burden on low income people. The timeline for these changes should council move forward with the group in the fair policy is recommended. It would be implemented the policy in full on June 22, 2022. Metro's tap office requires significant lead times implement changes. And so this time state is relying on fair collection partners and prepare communications to the public. And the last slide, staff recommends that the city council approve the proposed changes to the fair policy for good, we must department of transportation. So thank you for that report and I want to compliment you, one, for the fact that your pilot did what pilots are supposed to do, which is actually gave us results that let us make choices, and I really appreciate that. On the other hand, your recommended action doesn't give us any option. So I just want to say I always think we should do it. So I do believe that. But fondly on the cash thing, I remember how much time we spent on them not taking cash, taking cash, right? And I think what the show is is we need to sample where we take the dot, right? So thank you all very much. It comes in a number of blocks. I also want to commend our transportation staff on the decision to remove to continue to take cash to bring that back. And I had a question really quickly from Mr. King. I have some old tokens laying around. Can I still use those? And I think I found a half a student bus pass with like four or four punches. Can I turn those into textbooks? Beautiful. Thank you very much. So I'm on it. I'm on the data message. There, that's probably true. Thank you very much. That's probably true. Thank you. So, so I typically ride the three in the three are those of my demos. And then one of the things I did notice that was faster when we had cash options. And I know you're trying to drive people to the contact list for availability. In the interim, as we do that, is there any way to make it faster to board with cash? Because I'll tell you, and I can tell you exactly what it starts. It starts at the Venice Line. And it goes all the way down to the south, the garrison, where we need to delirate. And then most people are back on on taxless media. But I'm not a second question about people getting on the airport. But, but I mean, is there is there something we can do to make cash floating faster because it really is much slower? I don't know. I don't know the answer. It's just I'm telling you because you have people standing there fumbling with, you know, I'm getting the cash out of the dollar bills in a lot and I got a straightener out to get it into the grocery. And then oh, wait, I got change, I got to get changed. I mean, I can't tell you how many quarters I've given away on the bus. I'm not going to leave you. Right, right. We get them yes yes now if the machine works as well as it's going to work money is dirty and problematic to collect the machines you know don't work well for very long before they need repair and cleaning what we can do is work with our social service partners yes on-packed list service into the hands of more people we need them. Right now we have a one-ride ticket that fires and it's not working for a lot of our social service agencies. So we're exploring QR code technology and a non-expiring ticket. We were forced to work with TAP and now we're going beyond TAP to look at other technologies. We basically need to get the advantages of TAPS into the hands of people through attraction and through availability. And to the extent that you're still seeing people with TAPS, we haven't achieved that yet. But that is the answer to your question as we have to do a better job getting them what they need. So I need to start getting quarters again. That's what you're talking about. The second question I have is so I get off at the aviation station. I see both interactions with LAFs and obviously we have people who are coming from the airport and they're trying to take people with us and it's exactly the issue you talked about in Santa Monica which is they go to the machines but they don't understand that they're buying a one-day pass, and they think that's going to work, and then it doesn't work on people but so I applaud that. But I'm wondering, is there some signage or something we need to work with Metro or on our bus or something so that people understand that? So while the bus is sitting, you know, this is what you need to get again, because otherwise, especially when you have people from other countries and they don't understand our money, the other thing I've done is yes, that's a $1 bill and that's a quarter and this is what you need to write the bus. So is there something we can do better to get some of our visitors coming from the airport to understand that there is something they can buy that they don't have to you know like the you know so they don't have to use cash. So the only thing you could buy today is that machine of sport value on a ticket and we have implored half to change the message thing on the machine. To the city of people please do that instead of buying a one-day pass, given that many people are working with us. What we did do, at the big with us stuff, is put a new thing, which is an Apple Pay QR code. So if they have an iPhone, they can simply hold the QR code in it, automatically brings them to a bus ticket purchase. We did do that. We did do that. We have asked that change the messaging on all of the Santa Monica stations to stop advising people to buy one day passes, start advising them to buy store value. People deal up there and they see the pricing and they go, well, I think it's a better deal for me to get one day passed and they come away with what all the cost to do. Well, and not just the Santa Monica stations, but the airport stations. Because they, I'm going to take the bus to Santa Monica, and I've heard Santa Monica this is incredibly walkable city, so I don't need her. Then I have a final question, and it's a little silly, but this actually happened to me with TFL transport for London, which I have an oyster card. And it expired, and I went to reload it and now they won't let you reload it. We actually have a lot of international visitors in Santa Monica. We don't have that same issue. We let people reload their cards. Don't we internationally? Because now TFL is on my naughty list for Christmas. Because it's been over at I'm going to London and I'm going to reload it and it's like I'm sorry we don't do international transactions. Well think about it. Look at it. I guess it must be but no it was very strange. So anyway keep and take a look at that because we do have a lot of international visitors who might want to buy contactless fares before they come and if we don't allow them to do that then you're back at the metro station by the pass. Thank you. Now, we're on question, Joe, questions. I just wanted to comment that I really appreciated reading all the feedback from writers. And it's this great, you know, when public organizations are getting feedback from the people that are mostly impacted by policy decision So we're really good to see all that feedback and all the recommendations are informed by that so thank you for Because we have speakers Hey, okay, so now we're gonna move in no more questions. Let's move to Yes, Jerry Ruvendvin, Rafael Cardenas, and Jonathan Foster. So you. Thank you. Okay. As a long time rider, the blue bus, back, I've never had a car in my life. I've never had a driver's license. We're deeply embedded. The big blue bus. And yes, if they have the best drivers, yes, they have great buses. And yes, it's easy to take. And yes, I'm still offering to pay the first thing or anyone that hasn't written the bus. And the Earth Day coming up, I urge everyone to go green and ride blue. The waist, try, which is hard to do to weave your car only at least 15% of the time. It's not more to consider taking the bus. I want to thank the big blue bus and protect it for everything they did during these hard past 2 years. Resurface for a year, adjusting the buses to make them safe. The policy, make sure everyone's compliant to wear masks. Still, we said we continue a little bit longer now. So that can take you longer. And I had to have recently thought that the, and I still think that bachelor's fairs the way to go. And I hope that more people don't think that now will come on board and start realizing that's going to benefit everyone, including the people that think it might not. It really holds up the service when you're trying to stuff a dollar bill in a scheme and the driver has to be distracted to try to get you to do it and the live of getting longer and longer. So I support the blue bus, I thank you, I urge you to approve this and give the blue bus for everything. Thank you Mr. Railman. And Mr. Craig Davis. Mr. Craig Davis. Come on. Good evening, City Council members. My name is Rafael Cardenas. I'm a student and I'm a role at the University of Southern California. I strongly support the three big, big blue bus to big blue bus transfer proposal. I strongly support the new lower pair of proposal. And I recommend to the council that cash should be accepted. To start off, consumers who use contact lists for will now enjoy the benefits of 3 BVB to BVB transfers within two hours and is an honest and sensitive and I am exhilarated by this change. The Title VI Fair equity analysis report in December 2021 provided data that approximately 62.3% out of 592 people transfer from BBB to BBB on their one of the trips. This incentive of contactless fair use will benefit many people and save them hundreds of dollars annually. But this only goes towards those who are aware of this benefit. It is crucial that this information is put on big advertisements that the big, the bus stop, steep shelters, so people are aware of the benefits of contact with the spare. For those who choose to not use contact with the spare, they will be missing out on the BBB to BBB transfers and at the end of the day it is people's choice for using cash and we need to be considerate these people. Survey responses from the staff report have shown negative feedback on BVB's refusal to accept cash. To this day, there are still people who face challenges and using contentless pairs due to having less accessible tech vendor locations. Not having smartphones or computers are simply because of their elderly status. Please, please, please. In regards to equity and inclusion, I strongly suggest keeping cash as a formal statement of the big blue bus was still keeping an initiative for contactless fair. Thank you for this opportunity to share my class. Thank you for speaking to us, can we appreciate your being here? Mr. Foster, welcome back to CityBus. My heart's pounding. I always thought I could appear. I think you should stick with the cash I had to go to the Cooper City bus. I could go to the big new bus and could ride from us because I didn't want to. And I thought that sucked. I think it's on American. The Constitution says that golden silver coin is money. Also silver had a moderate level of antibacterial, filling bacteria. Still the real silver did. I think though, like this guy's a student, if your hurry up is going, you gotta keep going, but whoosh, you left your card. Now you still can't get on the bus If you made a mistake Really need to get with the driver will be on because Cash which is what we live on is cash you can't use it here. It doesn't sound like Santa Monica's in me Heria is running into the cash as you run it takes time That's what it's gonna to do. You have to accept that. That's what it is. That's life. But if they do that in airport, they still have to put it into something. Right? You have to accept that. I only got one minute left. Thank you, Mr. Foster. We signed up for one night. He was late, just at whatever. So any discussion of death. So does anyone want to move the single staff recommendation? Finally, the staff. All right. Move by gay, the second and by rock. How about that? Okay. Since I haven't seen you on a bus lately. What are you? I have been on a bus lately. Yeah. So Jerry Ruben, I still see. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So that passes 6 to 0. And we will be continuing the appointments. Do we need to move back? Denise? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes. I'm sorry. 13. Oh, we got. Oh, Mr Foster. I listen to several. Well, first of all, if you want to resign, sure. Maybe, what do we have to say? No, you can't. It's just, but I listened to some of the stuff that they talked about with this public safety of a reform and oversight commission. I was not impressed. Many of the things that are creating the problems that we are dealing with, that these people can't take care of this. That it's like we're running in a circle, trying to chase something. You know how you drop it, just a piece of paper money, it's faster than you did. This girl was so fast like that. We can't even keep up with it, because this oversleep, even the stuff that they talked about, I didn't close, didn't really help. And when I tried to call, and I couldn't call, and so I said to email, they returned an email, and they said that, you know, basically, it's good to hear from you. We're moving on. I didn't get a, I feel like I got an invitation keep getting engaged. So I stopped. And I don't see that the recommendations really are, you know, encompassing as much public safety. It's taken a while, right? And when this was put in place, there were a lot of bigger problems. So maybe it's done some good, right? But the people are still homeless. The one that I have said so much about is homeless women in wheelchairs. And how dare anybody with a million or more leave women outside homeless in wheelchairs in this United States of America? Boy, do I want to grind some people down? If I, but you know, I would get in trouble, so I just go play this drum set. I come here and I speak about it. People were more powerful than I am. You guys obviously are council members, I'm just the drummer. And she can't something happen. Who would believe a woman outside right now will be able to be known? Why not? I mean, just this one. Thank I mean, just a little bit. Thank you, Mr. Foster. We now have an opening on the commission that you apply for. So move. Do I hear? Yeah. So move to accept Mr. Mirirez's resignation with the rest and authorize the city court to publish the vacancy move by the literary second and by Brock and we can do it by voice. So can I hear approval by acclamation? I. Everybody approves any names? No name. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Ramirez for your service. Yes, and thank you very much for your service Mr. Ramirez and I think we are onto public input. Sorry. Five speakers. So the speakers are first Jerry Rubin. Next to me, Samarull, who's waving to me that she's not speaking, then Anne Bonawal, Erica Will Heights, and I assume this is Jonathan Foster, although I don't have a last name, there's another Jonathan here. Oh, it is you. Okay, wait, okay, so Mr. Rubin. Oh, it is you. Okay, wait. Okay. So Mr. Rubin. And thank you all so much. Three, two, three, back here again. I want to first read or A, D happy Easter, happy Passover wishes that our city manager spoke to earlier. I also want to wish everyone a happy birthday. It started in 19th century. More important than ever. But we really think about it. It's about climate change and thinking about all the things that I want to believe in. And what I want to invite we invite law to a small little gathering we do every year. We're doing it on Earth Day Friday April 22nd, 6pm until 7pm, as the children's tree of life, which is one of the first heritage trees in Santa Monica. And we're having our annual tree hugging day. And if somebody could come to the past gatherings we've had before, I urge you to try to make it if you can, but if you can't make it, I'll get trees in your yard around the sidewalk or wherever you may be, you don't have to wait until Earth Day to do it. It's bring tree hugging back by off-going the van. And you can go to our Facebook page for more details. The name of our Facebook page is tree hugging of friends. My wife Marissa, I started a few years ago and I want to thank you all. It's so great. Just look and see all of you here. I can't even tell you about a little walk home now. I'm Marissa and be thankful. But we all live together in this great city of Second Line. Thank you. Thank you for being with us to my disturbance. This is far more. Okay. By now you've received a time-sensitive notice of Miss Conduct by City staff. I'm here to amplify that notice. For months, staff and several offices who have been making unilateral decisions, have been able to professional miss Conduct by housing commissioner, and appear to potentially impeach good work. These finance unions have been to coincide with their new housing commission appointments, folks who are deeply committed to transparency and fixing problems at housing authority that I and other community members have been pointing out for years. City staff are making individual and small group decisions resulting in the following. Overlooking the former chairs whose conduct against other commissioners, the unexplained refusal of staff to operate blue jeans at the last commission meeting. The sudden and unexplained claim to an half weeks after the fact that the former chair's handwritten sign resignation as chair somehow means that something else that he didn't resign. And then somehow he's still chair, despite the commission's uncontested March meeting announcement of the chair's resignation and of an upcoming new chair vote at the next meeting. Mr. Campers unexplained absence from March commission meeting and city staffs cleaned just yesterday that the housing commission meetings would suddenly become quarterly, not monthly and effectively cancel the Commission's plan actions, including scheduled state and federal fair housing speakers. Mayor Himmler, out of formal investigation, the April 26th, or an item 13, because the public will not stand for apparently intentional pollution that undermines the earnest efforts of their newest appointees. Fix this and hold this to be staff accountable. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Donna Walla. Ms. Wilhite. Good evening, esteemed council members and Mayor Hemlerich. My name is Erica Wilhite as a resident of Santa Monica for the past 29 years and an expert motorcycle safety the last 17 years. I'm concerned about the three motorcycle fatalities we've had in our city this year so far. We can improve those statistics to reduce fatalities with training. I'm here asking for help from the city to help find space to rent on an non-exclusive, flexible basis to provide California motorcycle safety program public safety courses for the residents of Santa Monica. Specifically looking for a page space is 160 feet by 260 feet and three from instructions and traffic. Approximately one quarter of the size of the open, interim space at the airport to give you a visual of what that would be. We're very flexible and can easily work around every event. Our mission is to reduce motorcycle crashes and fatalities. We use research-based curricula both classroom and on-cycle instructions, reduce motorcycle crashes and fatalities and trace those, seeking licensure in California to become state-responsible lifelong writers. Our training embodies multiple countermeasures detailed by the Santa Monica Vision Zero Action Plan to reduce fatalities. It aligns with our take-to-friendly road, campaign, and it's flexible while we provide revenue to the city. Since 2005, we've trained over 40,000 riders in the Greater Los Angeles variant in the California Motorcycle List Safety Program. With your help, we can provide a life training statement, a life-saving training we are experts in teaching to our constituents. This is a real opportunity for Santa Monica to execute practical countermeasures to reduce voter single fatalities and our city. Thank you very much. I'm here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you Ms. Wilhoi. This is the public portion of our meeting. I'm just looking at anything for you here, but I will direct you to call our city manager's office and remind them, oh, class night, and give them information on what your needs are. And I'm sure they'll get back to you. Thank you very kindly. Thank you. Thanks, Dave. Mr. Foster. Oh, there you are. You moved. Mr. Foster. Oh, there you are. No. John, you did. On bridge. We're very worried. It's still point. The other way, we've all been here a month. You mentioned the Ukraine right now. It sounds good on the surface, but really, I hit trouble for talking about this. I'm going to talk about that. The reason for Ukraine is to do it. And it sounds good on the surface, but really, I get in trouble for talking about this. I'm gonna talk about that. The reason for you, Krainus, to do Jewish, to get back to Israel, I have to have a legitimate reason to make them, to force them back to the whole people. That's what it says in scripture, that's what people are having in governments for. This is a big, big time. This is what happens on earth right now. And it's definitely destroyed by a lot of my music career this whole concept. You know, I had to have done that with your son. I heard it was very, very, very a third family. There, I mean, with those things. But your son's fighting for Israel. The Constitution says to us, to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. But really, what's happening is we're securing, your son, my family, that I came out of. I don't have a family yet, but it can be great. But the fact that I came out of, we secure the blessings of liberty to Israel. That's what the Constitution is. What it says, separation of church and state, the Sunni don't know what synagogue runs the United States America. What it says, we, the people, what the oil industry doesn't share with us, the Dutch oil shell companies from from over there. They don't spend them on heroes. We have a guy in for that over there. I feel we cut out for this. I had a serve for 10 to three years I didn't sign up for this stuff. You know, seven seconds left, the abortion stuff. You know, it was very happy about that. It was a mean I don't like you guys, but I would put you in jail for it. Thank you, Mr. Foster. So I want to say that we don't have any adjournments. I, we don't have any formal adjournments, but I heard this week that actually somebody that I was never on the same side with Rosario Perry, a fantastic, gifted landlord side lawyer who argued in front of this council ending for many times I saw him was a brilliant talk. And a brilliant thinker in the sense that he really bought outside the box. There was no box that he couldn't think outside of. So while I was never on the same side as Mr. Perry, I do recognize that he was growing up and he will be and his light and his presence will be a loss to Stamina Monica and we will miss him. So on that note, we will adjourn. Our next meeting is April 26th. So our next meeting is April 26th at 5.30pm. We'll see you back in chambers then. Thank you. you