That was a good one. Alright. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Thursday May 5th. Second Executive Meeting of the expert headcounting. People welcome all of you. Appreciate you being here. And appreciate your interest in the city business. I would like to take just a moment to recognize a voice down here tonight, Adam Holland. Adam stand up there. Adam's with his dad and his grandfather. Grandfather happened to be in our planning and zoning department here at City Hall. I haven't worked on communication with Merrick Badge and he's a member of 2,525. Welcome, and it's good to have you here tonight. Okay. Oh, is there any item on the consent agenda that you would like to pull out and discuss? There it is. Staff, ask one change. You have in your packet an ordinance to amend the Economic Development Fund and it's coming in your packet. There's another one at your place that is two pages. We can pull that out and since this one, it's a little different, hadn't been discussed, but we could put that item on the agenda, not on the agenda, and with Mr. Dupur, let me miss race. It's that we'll get down to the stand. It does. It's called a sense. All right, so item, we will pull item B. This way. So this is item B. I'm sorry. Thank you. if you want to go ahead and act on your consent agenda, we can back up on the matter. Are there any other questions? Okay. Oh, okay. Let me finish this in a way. Removing item eight. Yes sir, and we'll go to item eight. Item eight will be removed from the consent agenda. So, do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? So, my minus item eight. So, move. Second. Okay, we have a motion of a second. All the favors are on. All opposed. Motion carries. Now item B, David, are you prepared to explain this to us? Please. This is where you is the Oregon Amendment Act on the Sun, which we've been addressing the automobile incentive on the automobile act on the Senate agreement that was passed on March 14, 2011. It has been expanded to consider some other economic development issues in the tourism, urban, and black culture. Since we prepared this, for a long time you've been asking us to establish a more clear economic development bond that takes care of community support issues and accounts for those expenditures you're after a few years. Separately from the general operating budget because they are not just operating daily operation over the city. So this ordinance has been revised to take into account, moving those incentives, pay those at and not make changes to a specific public recovery. In those you got the main changes, which is just kind of just cleaning up the average from our agreement, then you have the section that deals with the revenues of the health system, the health system, and then you have the section that deals with the health expenses and the change in the moving of the chamber of health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health, health Thank you. Are there any questions on this reels? I'm very, very complete this ordinance now. We'll go ahead and make our, we want to go ahead and pre-pay our hospice and round off hospitals. So at the end of June 30th we'll have paid them up. The only outstanding project we'll have is the Multimil project and then we'll get out to out years. We'll have some room to operate in. Okay. Great. May I have a motion to approve this ordinance to amend the economic development fund by reference? As I understand it, this is simply a technical amendment and I have no reluctance whatsoever to make the motion that we approve it by reference. I have a motion by Dr. Fountain and a second by Mr. Bale in any discussion. All in favor say aye. All opposed. say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. All in favor say aye. Join me in the College of Allegiance after which we will, no, so where am I? I have been this way all day. I got up at five o'clock this morning and I have not been on task all day long. We're going to start with a moment of silent meditation and then followed by the allegiance. Please. I'll collect your questions. This is the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God in invisible invisible with liberty justice for all. Thank you. I will also take this opportunity to let the attendance know that Mr. Baker, Mayor Brotham, is only his way back from Washington. He's been in Washington to the DC today working for us on behalf of the RPO rule transportation planning organization. So handling transportation matters and he was hoping to be back in time to have his meeting to be here. But as we all know, that last flight out of Washington, never on time. He has an excused absence. OK, item five, community development items. I will. Item A is a Resolving 11-01. We're going to have public hearing denied on our comprehensive update of the City's land use plan. Mr. Bailey. I'm just going to clear the road in a new public hearing of one piece light and your continuing from the previous meetings, the other public hearing for the fire and stuff. Thanks for making that clear with that. I probably wouldn't have. Oh, wait, let's see. All right. Consider the public hearing opened on the new item. Thank you. This is the high-end item 5A through E on your agenda. It includes R.D. 111, a three, a four, a six, and something big 1102. Those are all public hearings that are being continued to not be done. These are minutes because R.D. 112 is subject to all. I'm going to get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of I will not do an eye-catching, so there now in the link in the description. I'll just put it right over here. Okay, as we've talked about this last one, this is primarily bringing the ordinance into So, in the explain that has site design, building design, oriented in the text by distance. And it is more and more specific as to each type of zone and distance. Specifically, like we are bringing the new pieces to you, they are offers between three, which are simple things. Specifically like we are bringing the new pieces to you. They are of course the Fee 3 which is the second phase of this. This is the last of these horrible pieces that they have dropped to you last month. In the Fee 3, it's very similar in the much respect of what you have seen that we've dropped to you in the previous month. In the other part of this, however, if you're looking at the piece two of Swat, in the other parts of the district. However, if you're looking at the two parts of that, there are a small, medium, large, breakdown of development in the B3, because these components are just down to the area, where proposing only two consequences, those under and those over 12,000 square feet, and then the regulations were flat. Basically, the same style, if you will, of design that we address in the other districts, here and ever to this district. However, we have to remember that on April 2, the other day, the city planning area, the CCPA, if you want to tell us, those regulations do modify the area line districts. So they're regulations do modify the area-wide districts. So they're also applicable to the big three areas. So that's really it. It was up to you all. This thing for any patents that you received, how we might have been discussing its specific issues there, and it's going to be on there. Now, the newest thing is that in this includes three industrial districts. I want to not three. I want to not two of the historic and vanilla areas that have been developed across the city for years. They put a lot of different uses in each of these. I play a lot of modern duckings. The F3 is the board of Greece. I could say that the statement where we could help to say more exclusive views as industrial owners. The current ordinance and the proposed ordinance, but see a lot of regulations in the industrial also the organization that is in regards to a major street of some sort. And we'll be finalized for you then. This is Bill, the lineup kind of top-notch, this is my challenge and I think from Bixie Gras to Gordon, even the unveil books, all of Bixie's are over there. And we put that up to reference because in the industrial world, like the big two who like the D2, where the market here, where it's wherever that this is, the historically industrial has set, if you're only major allies or streets that are all like where you might find the market for an interest in the city, we treat those types of locations differently than you would find back in the middle of the industrial area, the solar industrial development industrial. I kid. So we're carrying that thought forward in the poem. So how is that right there? If the use is established with a 500 feet on my groupoth, the furrow fair, which is a 3-way, expressway, bullfrog, mytooth, furrow fair, that's probably the next landing part, comprehensive furrow fair. Then you have to do different things, going up in the top. And this is Thanksgiving here, where you can put those on on now, although I'm a little worried about it. If it uses sole permission in industrial vision, it's burning the type of uses of the non-organic to find that you're doing manufacturing and processing in a similar way. The only place in the order is that's permitted is the industrial district. Then we have a seven-year-old supply chain. If you aren't doing this, I think that you have to be committed to the industrial, but you're also committed to an iron B2, then the regulations that apply to those resources in B2 come forward and apply to you there. So the idea is that those uses the permission to be to have a standard already so they apply here. If you're industrial however we have free this extra flexibility for which is recognized the special nature of the industrial activity and give it its own set of regulations to break it out that way. And those apply if you five litre of vehicles later express lines. Anything that is not within five litre of vehicles, acting one of those enough to where you could talk about it, then basically the same thing that happens now in the audience will happen in the view. And that is, especially the building material, any color of the building material, building color of the building material is how the material was from it. So we really don't get into that design of the building once you get back into the industrial areas. We recognize that special purpose. So what you're saying is, back up a notch one bit, or maybe that's the case today. I know the product, but that one bit. 500 first 500 feet is a more specific we'll call higher level line of materials on all four sides or just the front. At some point you're going to get deep enough into the industrial park and a metal building is an acceptable use. That's what I'm making. That's essentially the way we do it today. The idea of these major corridors, if you enter out there, well, you wouldn't be put in Nuffel with CLA on those up downstream, in the first place, or something, you would have parks, you would be back in. But that doesn't exist. So what we recognize is that if we're asking all the other commercial uses to be a standard on that road, we can't just ignore the enough of uses on that road. It doesn't make it hard to get rid of your non-visible sides though. Is ahead and play that. Alright, the way the proposal, the way the written is, and the way the proposal takes it is, you got a major run, non-manager run. Here's your 500 feet, I didn't draw a line, but it's there. This building is within. In the commercial districts, the way that works, if the facade is visible from this major run, Then that side meets all the standards of the site. And in Dotsville again, for a lot of flexibility, even recognizing again the special nature potentially large enough to build, the front facing facade just like today will meet your standards. Now, the calls we've broken this out, and it's not the same as commercial, these standards can be different instead of 75, 20 mix. We're looking at a possible 64-year-olds of materials. So, not only do we just apply it to the SOD and we have the flexibility here to adjust the mix, the primary and secondary and tertiary materials. Then, if it's visible from a public right away, we go down and we say, I, we can treat those even differently. So right here, the example here, the way it's in your book is 40% of that can be any code to prove it was here. About it for instance. It's a white insulating essentially, it's some brick and then you go. And these numbers are still working, they're there for you to look at. They can be adjusted, therefore the flexibility, they can affect all the stuff and be too if we adjust these. That's the beauty of being this specific. Now, if you're this wall is not visible, then any code material here. So you got a side facing, visible from, and not visible just this building ever 500 feet away, right there, any kind of adventure. That's right down in the nutshell, again it's a justice can't be right, but if we go in that gives us, there's a lot of flexibility we can to set this up, but having all those different burries will make it a lot of fun. Okay, that's the big concept. We really thought we could do that for the NGP, but we had to close it in how it is. That's what we're trying to do. Man, the other thing we want to start tonight is we talk about more of what we're in, the conversation that came out with public meeting here at more, what regulations apply to what we're in. And we're going to start that conversation with this public here tonight. So this is when the developers of realtors ask for a class to walk with, what they're actually saying is what are your rules applied in your construction, what if we're expanding, what if we're changing the use? This is for all the realtors, I always want to know that. You've got a building that was used for 20 years in the office and now it's going to go to retail. Or in this case, it was used for running up to use and there it probably wouldn't be working there. Maybe it's on my repair instead of enough. Or a warehouse. So you really have four things going on that people would come in asking about. You can start to dispatch and initials change the use of the facade all the way. This charge, which is in your books, or your packets, basically reflects our status today. We've always dealt with one class of block work. If you look at the new construction, then of course everything we talk about the class, and you can talk. If you're a throwing an addiction life, there's a specific list where you can watch shorter events. If you're going to buy addiction line, there's a specific list. There's a lot shorter than that. You can go about a change of use and you can get shorter. And if it's beside, it's just one little basic rule. So we do that tonight. This chart might explain it in easy. If you have any constructions, let's say that's your list of regulations in the fly. When you get to expansions, it drops down a couple. When you get to change the use, it drops down about 50 percent. And the slide is just talking about materials and color. So that exists today, and that's the way we have it all continue. So when they say, you make it hard to do a change of use, they're really just talking have these issues right here. Now, what we would like to propose is another discussion is going forward with this ordinance. Take this chart and add another column right over here. And what that column would do is set up some regulations that take on what does apply and it says in what manner to what extent what vacation of that regulation could be recognized in certain situations So we're proposing that we take this one plus the block where one more step inside I don't have any proposal for this but this is example. If you have a change of use in the requires, X amount of parking in the lot is so big, the building setting out of it, nowhere to put additional parking. There could be a modification written to that parking requirement that says, in some circumstances, you only have to provide, you know, two more spaces or a percentage of spaces, or under certain certain strengths whether it can't be gotten at all you can do this. So that's the fact thing we're thinking about again at flexibility to the issue of water class to walk with. Not only the lesser standards as you move into the different types of changes but modifications of the standards. moving to the different types of changes, but modifications are a standard. So we just throw that out there for discussion for staff. We'll come up with some of that to you for your actual question of this project. So basically all reasons we talk about for weeks and months support this. In our recommendations, there's must be placed, because they will always be left under the mirror. And I'll be glad to end the question. And as I missed it, there was some discussion, and maybe we could get some sort of a fail before we would like to go. At the public hearing, there was two building materials and specific needs. And the primary focus around the remodel. And I think they had a lot of flexibility and you make a nice looking building. If you might find a, as often times a group of two or three buildings that were mixed used. And that were leading to Stucco and Cut Block. And then there's Cut Box, you got two categories of that. You may have one opinion of Barca block and a different opinion of a coded, you know, whether it be a box of your whatever scene you might like or what you know CUT block, which I hold in a little harder regard, but both of them. You know, and I don't see the stack all in the list at all. Well, we haven't gone back and modified that list. That's the things that that here in your store under discussion. The first word brought back to you is the store class about where it is. But actually, this is part of that discussion, I mean, it's not to this chart. That's why, that as near construction, there's going to be a mature overall portfolio, but as a change of use, or expansion or addition, that modification could fall way and right over here in this other column, it's like an additional material is available to you and a lot of potential is in this situation. And I think that will be, in reading this chart, it didn't refer me to at least if you built a material, just dressing that it is a work in progress. But I know there are distances where we really like the refurbished mill building. You know, and you add a window, you put a window there, there's lots of character goes with that. And then there's sometimes, you know, depending on what it's previously used was, you know, time you get through the windows and the right place, and it's that, you know, that means it just looks like a password coil. And then you're more modern facility might look better. And I just think there's a, that is a good uniform material for that. And it's flat. And then, and the two, I didn in the braid up, that's sort of why we're slinking at this multiplication. It gives us, again, that flexibility to not just have one-listen materials, but in a, you know, a expansion or a change of use, have some additional material. That's the type of flexibility that I think this chart could add. Not only reducing the things required, but then that multiplication is what is. And I think against delgitus corollil, that's what we're thinking about. I don't think you can still get a squirrel a little bit to go at least. So that's what we're thinking exactly. You know, you use your color, you might even, I don't know how you'd ever put it to get into tasting things, but breaking up some of the monotone color of the stock, the stocko in some manner of a trim or something could be. Exactly. My mic could get you even further on where you want to be with that mic. Exactly. And then, so a lot of work still be done. As we go through this, we're creating more and more out of the emission. As we work through this, we've seen that the ordinance itself has some problems in the way of organized. And by the time we bring it out of the product tree, we actually have hard work and reworked. Just to watch it. Of course, it's corralling all the underlying districts in one art, but it's not studying throughout three different art. That's what it is. So this thing is growing and changing as we go through it as we see the federal line of G ball wrap. I think you've got a lot of positive flexibility in here. You go through sections of Apex and Rollsville two places I was in far to recently or can you know I mean it looks like a lot of mini and C-stake campus I mean that everything is all red brick. It looks just as the buildings are not, but enough of them exactly the sign looks just as bad as any other too much. The other question is, what are the areas of the state and the authority that's prepared? The other questions. I will entertain a motion to continue this to the next meeting, along with the other, the other previously continued patients. And I'm really looking at getting the matter of consideration as a global comprehensive review of later interviews for Bill. Second, Mr. Burr. Any discussion? All of the favour say aye. And I'm going to propose a few scenarios like you. This is the appointed time for our public comment periods, anyone in audience would like to address the counseling issues of city business. Well, yeah. If you're here to address the council, we're ready to hear you. All right. My name is Jeff Morado. I just great. I Just a great question. I'm actually going to be talking to you. We are here because the noise still continues. I mean, the chase actually gets passed on a little bit better at times. So the second night, it's back to where it was. It actually hasn't been making a lot of phone calls to me. I'm one one still. I don't hear it as much, but when we tested, she gets it a little louder than we did. So, there, about this close to her, not hearing it, if I'm not hearing it in my nose, but they're not quite there yet. We just felt it was necessary to come before the council again, because when we were here the last time, it was kind of a unanimous leap across the table that we were going to look at something and we were going to do something about it possibly maybe adopt something measuring the phase party in which we found that hard to do because we could have the equipment for that. Just want to get over report as to whether or not this is still being considered. I don't know that we've discussed that lately. I was quite frankly under the impression we had solved the problem. As Mr. Captain Smith set the bat, people asked him to come up, maybe you can take with the police. Okay. Captain Smith, are you? Can't you? Brief us on what has actually been done as far as 9-1-1 responses and we'll get Miss Care nearly to possible give us some information. I mean, I've not heard anything else from, so I thought it was taking care of. I know we spent a lot of time working on that particular business and working with them and coming to your house and coming to your house and really I thought we'd taken care of it. I'm sorry. I haven't gotten better than it was, but it still has the problems. Okay. And your house is one that's further up the hill, like right at it still has the problems. Okay. And your house is one that's further up the hill, like right at the top of the hill. Okay. And I can't speak to the results, but I have personally been over there in the afternoon, just to look, you know, but not to look, you know. But, you know, and he has made substantial modifications that it write much expense of changes, you know, of elevating and then it's phoned. He brought in sound engineers to do what he said he'd do. Now in terms of where you're at with your situation, I can't speak to that, but I will say that the club owner, Mr. Singh, he did what he said he would do. Well, I still got a problem with him, he need to keep working on. Yes, I'm just going to ask the significant question about the leave. Mr. Mealy made actually have to speak to some of the research as well. Okay. And we'll be done. We can re-appreciate. We understand the problem. Have a seat. Unless you've got something else to tell us. Have a seat and we will hear from these two and then we'll let you speak again. Okay. Because the problem began as base. It's not the top end noise. And that's what I determined when I was down there and I really thought we'd handle this. Not only a problem of ours, it's also a problem of ours and some people sound easy. Some people that have talked to all over the place. And I know that you are thinking how do we attract seniors to this town? I think a good strength, you know, is ordinance against the face. We go a long way to making Ashbury a good senior destination. Because I know this is something that the senior says is not necessarily a freakshoes. Thank you. Okay, Captain, I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I mean, you're not prepared to discuss this, but do you have some information you share? I'm not going to be on spot. All I can tell you is I've advised all my lieutenants to advise me if we had an ongoing fall from a situation and let's go all that name is that not one call not one call brother have either dress for going down or not get any notice I can't speak with the level of decals and what they've done about that do not get an S-mean or any calls for no one what you're telling us that you're calling regularly. I have to do something. I have to do something. There's some noise that I'll just start my music and then you're what's the point. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. Nobody's doing anything. I'm not asking a lot of just for the tone of the bass player, not asking him to change the speaker, general or anything that cuts me, just not picking up the hard. So it's all I'm asking. I don't care if you're here to run a business with me at Spine, and I do understand that I don't have a problem with that, I just want to sleep. 3 o'clock in the morning is not too much to ask. Well, 4-3 o'clock in the morning is not too much to ask. Well, four or three o'clock in the morning is from that. Okay, we need your name, please. Ashley Prychuk. Ashley Prychuk. What's your address? House number. 1178 Skyline. 1178 Skyline. And yours is 1200 Skyline. All right. And again, I apologize. I had been here the driveway at 11 to 12 o'clock at night. I've been to your house inside the house on the deck in the driveway at the same time as the night. And I thought we had taken care of it. I'm sorry that I was unaware that it was an ongoing problem. We will continue to work on it. Mr. Neley, do you have information for us regarding the that I was unaware that it was an ongoing problem. We will continue to work on it. Mr. Neely, do you have information for us regarding the research and the decibels and any possible movement toward an ordinance? We have been doing research to have them in the standing area. And we do probably need to get a solution. But we have been looking at the ordinance narrow required measure, the best for only A-scale. A-scale lighting is according to the given here. C-scale is one meter, it's a 1 meter, half the equipment is a gentle set. But the C-scale picks up a base load in the same fashion. They're a higher frequency so they're not emphasized, but they're not the emphasized. Like the A scale one. Before we have to figure that out, we could use that C scale for taking read. Where we're having more of a discussion and more research is, if we switch everything to a C scale, then we've got to be very careful to try to balance the fact. There's a lot of industries, a lot of businesses are in compliance with us on the A scale, and we don't want to create a lot of it either on one of these as the one is the best or in a legal situation, or my decision on the side. So we've been looking at, is there a number? Is there a vessel? Do you make a, if you're 70 DBA, do you leave it at 70? When you get a C scale, or do you adjust it for some number that sort of equalizes so that the existing legal noises are out of compliance, yet far sufficiently low enough that when you read this sort of problem, you get a violation link. And that's a balance, and I think we have quite figured out where to put those numbers. So I don't have that for you yet. We've got a lot of research with looking at other cities that are using the C scale. They basically adjusted about, I believe, the 10 you get. And from our test, that put you right back where you were. And you wouldn't be gaining anything. So we've got to figure out where to go. We could do it, just. What are you saying? The C scale is 10 points lower. The, what, what, I'm, if you're looking for, is if you're reading C scale stuff in 70, then place it in 8. Oh, he bites it in 8. So then you're right back to the starting, so we don't see the advantage in that. What we're trying to do is figure out is there a way we can incorporate the C scale under certain circumstances or adjust the numbers to work. We don't create a lot of problems, a one-year in solving a problem on the L. That's what we have in our file. We've got research out there. Obviously, we've been doing our own work all that and it's worth we just not ready yet. Is there any information or science on how it possibility of it being louder inside your home than it is outside the yard? No, we have to. It's not louder in the home. It is in the yard. Here in the yard. The problem is it is loud enough to penetrate into the home and by every point. When you're here, it is louder in the yard than in the home. You can hear it in the yard and you can also hear it in the home. No, it's a dead part of it. That's why you sound pleased. Let me do it on Chief Bridge. Often, if we're set there watching on TV, set there in the front of the house, and we appear there ready to go over our TV setting. Now that doesn't make no sense to me. I'm sure it's not. Yeah, let's say, it's often enough that's cars also. You did get a lot of noise from 64. We're in the corner, the stills, the difference You did get a lot of noise from 64. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I could make a native sense, I would live with it either. Is this when they're playing a band's playin' or is it? Can you tell the difference? It's just music. Now when they have people down there and they're talking or being in her consciousness, if I'm out in my yard, I can sometimes hear them. I can't understand what they're saying, but I can hear them. Like the DJ talking about the music or whatever. Okay. I have no news when I have special live playing music. I have been to my research and I'm going to be buying a bike. You could use loudspeaker. Can you get loud as the night goes on? Yes sir, it does. And I've had mine for about an hour after I'll call 911. Oh, you've calmated many of rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten out of the rock, I've gotten to do the regular license, I'm sorry, I apologize to the old one, but there is a kind of way to close your club itself. Okay. That's what I'm trying to do. Okay. But Jim, you know, that's the thing. Pleasity. I noticed I'm not going to help you, but I apologize. I honestly thought we had taken care of the problem and I will tell you the same thing until the last time. We will keep working on it and your frustration is noted. I would be just frustrated. I wouldn't live with my neighborhood and I don't expect you to have to live with it. You're in neighborhood. So we will continue to do what we can and work to a solution that will satisfy everybody. How do we need to stay in touch? We're really waiting to stay in touch. I mean, how do we find out what's going on? I would say that your best contact at this point would be Mr. Neely. Mr. Neely, would you give them your contact information please? Yes. Okay. The parents of full disclosure. We're all, we talked about a continuum earlier. We're on the same continuum. We're trying to find an order to support widespread and uniform uniformity we can get. A greenness problem and say this is clearly unacceptable. More widespread is the easier it is for the staff to find a standard to present to the council for adoption. Because my nature of these laws are generally applicable throughout the city, the more localized the problem is as far as determining what's causing the exact opposite of the existence, but not in others. That is more difficult to get consensus on where you draw the line and to say, by the nature of the beast, that's going to slow up the police are going to make that a good decision. I'm not sure if the police are going to make that decision. I'm not sure if the police are going to make that decision. I'm not sure if the police are going to make that decision. I'm not sure if the police are going to make that decision. be fine. That's why other cities looking at their ordinances. It's not solving the problem because it seems to be very localized not because of you, but the Geography Breaks Act, the way the club is set up, it's very localized. That's hard for a generally out-of-the-all deal. I'm just going to make sure we get that for the most lawyers who want to go in on it. Don't give any false promises. hate on this. We could reconvene that one 30 to 70. We could play it, yeah, sorry. The vein over there, the Shankar Jemaya. Yeah, what do they call these? What about Reynolds, the rattling of windows when cars come by? It's not just, I know it's not, my neighborhood's like that. I mean, my din windows vibrate from trucks with the beaten boom and sound or cars when they come by and somebody else I was just speaking with. In another area they're having the same problem so I think sometimes people get complacent after all because they keep hearing it and they think there's nothing they can do, but this is something that we need to look even bring it all together because... Of course, the Zoning War is not a fact that that would be a city kind of an island and we really want to put together two different sets of regulations to get addressed with the air killer. And the green for the duration it is, and more localize it to take particular individual is moving. That's a completely different sort of problem to try to get at. Got a catcher. You got to be right there in catcher. Yeah, but in the end she is in the fixed locations and we know who's generating this place to you. Well there's one individual group out there with this. They may not be back and then someone else does. So they figure out is that they don't sit for a long enough, they're saying the same person drive by a couple of times. Okay, do you see whether it's in her minute or not? And that's a problem. That's a whole different issue. So that's not to hide any option is available sometimes in these localized situations. They can't make the behaviors or work against their own legal counsel. As far as there's one property under the general edgy, it's causing a problem with the enjoyment of your property. So that always has to get denied. Sometimes it's the individual property owners having the resort to resolving it with the property under the state's devaluing or interfering with the enjoyment of their home as opposed to the city being able to deal with it with the generally out of the wall. This is an amazing need to sleep and to get to existing your home. No one seems that to know. It's just there's a range of options you have available. Knowledge is power and we'll make sure you know all about the other things. I'm not sure if there are other places in your heavy musician. What's that person? You can take care of all people when you're going to look out. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I one big one. Good suggestion. Thank you, Jeff. Another question that I have. I was obviously not here when you all came before the Council. I was out sick due to health issues. Was that two months ago? Was that 60 days? Was it 90 days? I'm sorry to see that. January. January. Was that two months ago? Was that 60 days? Was it 90 days? January? February? Okay. We met out there in lots of old men. We're just saying at various times, obviously from his printer, Mr. Marado, would testify on the night that whatever progress we made is slipped. So we'll have to go out there again and make a full court press. No, I'm not. This can't be a problem at all. I hear what you say is, and I hear every thundersmith says, there will be looked at. But in all fairness, you know, you brought us the problem. We went and visited with him, I mean, you know, and he told us exactly what he would do. The sound engineers he'd bring in and the stuff he'd do. And we went back and followed up on him and he did it. And we hadn't heard any more until tonight. I was, you know, not saying that your problem is our valid. I'm saying tonight it's been brought back to our attention. I had no reason to think it wasn't, I don't based on what the man had done. And you were doing exactly what we told you to do. You were calling 911. And don't learn about it, you know? In addition to calling 911, I probably should have told you to call me. Because honestly, we thought it had been taken care of. Mr. Brown's been out there numerous times with the meter, and your yard, and your driveway, and your car port. I've been out there with him in the back door of the club up on the hill. I've been over there, walkers been over there many times. I just thought it was done. And again, I believe he has made changes. It has made a difference. But I believe how far they turn that base knob determines whether or not we're going to have a problem. Well, I don't disagree with that at all. Because after they had that role in the parking lot, it was about two weeks before we ever heard of P-Better. I mean, you can go in the backyard and not hear them after that fight. And all of a sudden, it started cranking up, and special events happened. They bring in a special DJ or something, and say, it's rocking. I think we've also, it seemed to me that when we were out there, they were doing one thing and we leave and turn our back or Mr. Brown's out there measuring they're doing one thing and then when we're gone you know it ratchets itself up one way or another. Who was the DJ is that night? Whether or not the owner has told them to keep it at a certain level you know a new employee can blow us out of the water without knowing what he's doing. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're concerned as noted. We appreciate you coming. I'm sorry you have to keep reminding us. We will continue to try to solve the problem in an equitable manner. As our council has said, we have to be very careful that what we do is something that we can live with. That we don't, unintended consequences are always our big bugaboo. We fix one problem and create two or three more so I understand we will continue to try to get some sort of satisfaction for you and your neighborhood. Let me give you my phone number. Alright. Now I can tell you that your neighborhood is not the only neighborhood I've visited in the middle of the night. That's my cell phone number. If you don't get the cell phone call the house at night. There's only a charger and I don't always hear it at night. Okay. and I don't always hear it at night. Okay, anyone else that would like to address the council? Hearing none, I will close the public comment period. I appreciate you guys being here and we will kind of move forward. I am seven. Consideration of an ordinance, a manning the swimming pool provisions found in the City of Ashburg Cultural and Recreational Services Division Policy Manual. Mr. Sarvam. I'm in the organization, I'm in the floor of the instrument, the cultural recreation services, the policy in there, specifically, I'm in the section 9, which is swimming pool. And depending on the outcome of that consideration, I have the most careful that you all request to force upon the elements. I don't know how to do this. In question, Mr. Sherman. Do I have a motion to adopt it? Second. A motion from Mr. Muffet. Second from Mr. Hunter. Any discussion? All right. Say hi. Hi. I'll call you later. I like time. Motion carries. Thank you. And then I'll also include in that is the proposed schedule, the, uh, based on your concerns, your comments from before. We were able to keep in there, open public swim every day the week that I was not changing at all, and it also allowed us to add private, less in time, pool party time, all the other programs we thought might help control costs and also give more people in. So, according to that,, that ordinance, this is our proposal for the 2011 Film Outer, which is the chosen one. Just as I understand the ordinance, we just passed, you will propose these hours, or cook or resource, and henceforth we will not have to take action on each individual hours of operation unless we have to do it this year, obviously. Henceforth, we won't have to do that. That's correct. You'll be provided enough, you know, a problem that's ordered in, yes. I move we adopt the hours as proposed. Thank you, Mr. Bale. Second. Mr. Carter is the second. in question to Mr. Sermon in discussion. I have a comment. I like it. I think I've done a good job at looking and breaking it up and giving still a variety and being able to use that poll. I'm very pleased. Maybe, you want me to speed up? You want me to speed up? OK. All in favor? Say aye. All opposed? Vice-Owner. Motion carries. Thank you Mr. Sermon. Mr. Lewis, thank you for your work. Hope you have a very safe season at the pool. Let's flexure. Item 8, consideration of resolution to establish about vacations and the first few of them are not tied. So, what they kind of have been going to see, they should be able to change the topic about what they think that they can see the following ownership. And, by the time I talk about 17 people have expressed their concerns on these links, we're really excited to cut back to the late night, but actually, even the President has made out that he just had incredible money that launched her step forward. So, we are suggesting this time to our position, We know that we just had a terrible blinded volunteer step forward. So we are suggesting this time to our position, except all 17 members on that board, the district dates as the chair at the meeting. We have members, fathers, or youths, who are in a rush, defaming, dancing, the young, the young cold versus, you know, Britain, Janet Harley, her name is Robert McHoller, Ross Hope, Little Do I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a student at the University of Toronto. I'm a to read this again. I'm going to try to retire. You're going to say that membership of many other youths. And so, as it would be, do you have a Dr. Roberts? As you were reading the list, I didn't see my coders name on the resolution. I was added today. Oh, okay. And it's fine. We just put it on the resolution I had. We're going to volunteer, and then the mayor gave us our name we realized we had the member on the curge on the original list and we didn't even want to let this down. We have retired military, we have retired bankers, we have clergy, we have the arts. I think we've got just about everything represented there. And I'm very pleased because those people came to us. We did not have to actually go out and recruit anybody. And we're a great, great group of people there. We're very pleased with the response. So, I talk about groups, I'm very pleased. Thank you. There. Yes. I saw a couple of people sworn at the brackets that we had and I complimented them and thank them on signing up for this and it's told them, is definitely an all-fark-ass People on this committee. This is an impressive group. Really is. Really is. Oh, okay. I'll entertain a motion to adopt my reference. Mr. Mayor has the one most qualified to talk about. I can't say much more if we adopt my reference. This outstanding work that case is done that has started and to establish their retiree attraction committee. Thank you, Dr. Fountain. Do I have a second? Second. This card is flipped over. Thank you. Any questions coming? All in favor of this motion to adopt by reference. Say I. All opposed. Like time. Motion. Period. Thank you very much. My switch. Item 9 approval. Remember number one to the agreement between the owner and architect for the summer six theater innovation project requested by architect. for the Summage Exhibitor Innovation Project requested by architect S.W. Kofur to increase their total fee by $30,300, $350. Just a bunker. Yes, in your practice, there is a letter that we've on the market deck and that we're going to be out of the city of request and give a brief and that means that the city of Kofur is going to be out of the city of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the level of the form of the amendment. The front rate goes that increase as far as the architectural services, structural design services, electrical services, fund and campus design services, you can call it increase. And you can throw it in call, throw it in a tiny bit of vehicle size services and a chair, a fee with decreased zero. And when you put throw rate in this and form a commitment, the industry begins 28,000 out of report off and we are presenting this because we need more work today. that. We are getting a two more things and a couple more pledges and making our 1.2 million dollar go and we would like to hopefully put this thing on the street in about nine year, a hundred days. When we go down a little bit you'll see the contracts for Todd Heeler who's substantially lower than the engineers estimate. We hope we can arrive at that. So we're at the really we've had this whole fundraising drive, the acquisition drive, the fundraising drive to be a city department drive and now we're right here you know in the last ten yards and the red zone, if you will. And we received Justin Luck, the plan department has just done young ones work on getting it to the state. I know it's the county landmark now, the state landmark. And we're on the way to being a federal, on the federal, we was selected for the federal register. So it was pretty significant. Based on that, we had to get Steve and all the engineers and the State Historic Preservation Guy we spent all the staffs been about half a day going through it. So our plans have been through the State Historic Preservation Office now. Steve can modify them, get our bid documents, and we can really put this thing on the street. Maybe 12 or 14 months from now, we can be planning to grand opening or re-grand opening. I don't think I defer to Mr. Moffit and was in the construction business or Mr. Bunk, but I think it's a pretty good time to go to bed. You've got a lot of money here, manager, prove it. OK. Oh, I just want to clarify. In case you're overlooking it. $30,000 or $28,000. $28,000. $28,000. $28,000. $28,000. $29,40,000. Not the $30,000. I'm calling it $5. Oh, okay. Okay. So if you approved the extra, Mr. Sudd just hold up your extra pre-medium. Do I have a motion to approve that amendment? Thank you Mr. Berks Any discussion any further questions? All favor say aye Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I intend consideration of the Beds received for TatiO Farm, expert airport water sewer improvement project, Mr. Bunker. Yes, we have two contracts that we can see in the Donald Trump contract. A will be the airport water sewer improvement. A five-day-sort-of-the-seam on April 28th, 2011. For the airport, the contact day, 302,800, 388, 4-11, audio, hallways, 2-0 airport, 3-0 meter, build-up, fire contact, thermal building, and the aircraft sign. Also, through the 60-90 of 82 flight lines, on the airport sign, here on the 30-70, over the 9-0 sign. The little vehicles made a fire, it's the airport site here on the Sunday morning and on the site. The little vehicles made about Harry's funding in the facilities in the cost of $268,405, which was a fancy low-income on the fourth public. And at the end of the state, the state of East-Parenting was part of, we had the sea that turned, and we recommended the awards. 5 out of 80, here in 1 and 2. Any questions or questions? I just have one question. Is there any concern about the difference in prices? Because it's such a far range from the low price, the second low price on that, because your thing's near gets your status by way of it, but is it, it's not a pretty wide square, but it's what you normally see in these bids. It is normally at a carry, but it's a yellow heath, and it does this quite a few times. It's a little bit of a difference. And have 100% of money. and have 100% of my money. The other question. Do I have a motion to adopt this by reference? So move. Second. Second, I missed the first. Who was the most welcome? My friend. Okay. Any questions? Discussion? All papers are on. All folks, vice-centred. Okay. Your question? discussion? All players will say aye. Aye. All close. All right. We want to hear yours. What was that? Aye. And we got another one. So I got three. Three. Four. Three. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. We have two different stations. The contract is included in the new two-touch base, the Air Force, new generators for the two-touch base, the Air Force, and the Disney two-touch base, and 13, and 11, 58, and see how it works. That's the one that's generated. That's the only thing. Also, the third part from the three miles is related to a four-string long, and see how it works. I was running a long history highway 495. The low field was sent against my very funding to the Gillies. The home rate is at $767,866. They also offer a one-gainty deduct that they got so the contract they earned, which we put this in at $777,865.99. And we were recommended to give these hand-to-take on what was you received? Any questions from Mr. Bunker? I just have the same concern as Mike did on the first one. I don't understand how, I mean, that's between the two, it's $500,000. And he's given us difference. And he's given us, I understand the one, the mobilization thing because he's right here. So I mean, I understand that but that's, you know, we're not talking about $20,000, $26,000 so they don't make up for the rest of it. Go ahead, Walter. If you want to know, if you're here to know, the out of towners don't know where the rock is over there and Buma does, I do, and Terry does. It's only Rocky up on the North end where we can't do run-life. Where they're big and at is largely pretty red-handed. So the other bids through dollar cost to averaging? No, the other focus is contemplating a lot more rock as my estimation. Because there's unclassified excavation jobs who either got a better dinner or you got a think you know it. I don't have it in front of me, it's all my ass. What's the engineers estimate? How much lower are these two beds in that estimates. On the contract A, Estimate of that was $437,000, but we had $2.00,000, and the bid was $268,000, on contract B, we had set up the budget $1,025,000. It was $777,865. So it might be important to point out those were going to be as you've got to do with the budget as well. Back to the rock. Well, but the straw port says like straw lovels. A lot of them. Okay. I'm not going to get a question from one here. It says like straw law folks. A lot. Okay. I'm not gonna get a question one here. He's got $7,125. Then we got somebody with 34,000. $770. That's not wrong. No, that's wrong. They cost about $1,500. I don't know how people mark helping them mark up their bids. I mean. I would, they're just an inter-phone record that we were through these bids on last Tuesday at two o'clock in them, at, open them at two o'clock. We were through doing them math and counting at about 220. And Mr. Bunker asked Mr. Tucker when could he mobilize and he said 230. The area does that work, but I would, the Irrigan Society, who it is, I'd offer this. You've got a triple A rated bond account, either if anything happens on parries, but if they will come in and install a job for you for that move. Well, anybody on this list would have provided that. I mean, that's not unique to any of this. And then he and I, my ad Eric, one of the utilities in Newark, saying by the law, all to see that from since my feedback set, it's gonna make a lot of experience. I was just my concern on the dollar map because that was just, when my cast had a while ago, that I'd already thought about that when I reviewed all the work. Oh in today's economy and Walker said that many times now it's a time to get bids and then you see the other ones come in so much iron. I was thinking they'd be a lot closer because of Walker's coming. me at the scene. The Round-Out County has its own reputation for underground utility work. Yeah. I'm very happy for our tax payers to get these little beers. And we're down the local contractor says we win, we have a situation but the former spinal we're okay so we need to go with it. Back to that motion, like me. There's a car asking you to take that motion. Are you telling us any shirt or something? No good. Who's it interesting? Okay, we have a motion, Mr. Miller. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Did we? I don't want to. Yeah. Contract day and week. Did we have a motion? Yes sir. Okay and we have a second Mr. Berks. This is on the second part of this. I heard. Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Why was Horton's job by her saying yes to my tech of art? It was taken into the committee. Well, yeah. Sometimes, sometimes, Horton just hates to do that. All right. I let this stand as the evidence that there is still a recession in the construction industry, moving right along. Okay. Item 11, Mr. Ogburn, so mental and proposed budget for fiscal year 2011-2012. Thank you Mayor, I'll just run a few slides. We have your work for when you're conducting front-end event round. As for the General Statutes, I submit the 2011-2001 throw budget. Just remember, our budget has two funds. Remember when a state brings our audits, we have lots of funds. But the budget is too much to operate a fund. General fund is balanced at 22 billion, $18,199 that proposed in the water and the warms were funded by us that the program being in 943,798 dollars. The proposed attacks rate remained the same, and the fee rate remained the same. Remember in years past we have a big number out here, we are appropriated by the amounts. We are at the end of our six-year cycle, of our six-year rebound cycle. So this is a very tight proposed budget. We will probably spend the last all of it. We spent 97% of operating budget. We were able to save a little bit. This is the tightest one, I think, enough. General Lebanon submitted here. We do see an uptick in some parts of the economy, but as Mr. Mockett says, the construction seems to be going to be a real problem. We do have a slide up tick in our revenues, and we'll talk all about this specifically at our workshop. But we do see an uptick, our sales tax, our utility sprangtized tax. Remember mainly because manufacturers are back to work and our palbill. Now for those of you who went to town hall yesterday, you would think with a palbill gas tax is actually should be down because people aren't driving as much. The thing is driving is leveled off, but they're going to change the formula and towns that don't have any streets that money is going into the park for towns that do have streets. And in reality, if you didn't have a street maintenance, you shouldn't have been gotten given gas tax anyway. If the city is not maintaining the state is, and they should have states that have been able to keep that tax to do the street. So that was kind of anomaly in our business, you know, called it. Hey, Pratel. That was that scenario. So, focusing just on remember we do four broad categories in our audience. So we just to make tonight, just to make it match the general government that's the the mayor and governing body as you guys see the mattress office. It's me and Joanne. Finance office, having her team, legal and city clerk that's Jeff and Holly. IT is Todd and Drew municipal building is a leftover from the old days when this building had everything. Police fire department, etc. Like I'm going to talk about a hundred years ago. Planning and zoning is Reynolds and his team marketing communications. Holly, Fleek, maintenance and human resource. Those are your general government functions and that's 2.8 million out of our proposed general fund. Public safety, all that numbers you jump out at you right here. This is primarily what your property tax goes for. Police, 6.2 million, police is our biggest apartment, expense wise and our biggest apartment people wise. First class rate, they've done a lot of young ones work, you can see in the paper lately, fire department, 100th anniversary chief smithier talk about 3.5 million is our second biggest department and second number of people who put the fire department number in perspective. We'll call every property. We'll be figure out the other day chief. We bought every property, we'll figure out the other day chief. We bought every land parcel, a $25 a month alarm. It would come up to $3 million and that's with nobody to come put the fire out. That shows you, she's met and his guys do a really good job. That's a heck of a really good deal and you think about we have a class four rating and we have a full time fire department. You'll see a lot of cities have a volunteer partner with that much. Building inspections, we just heard Larry Trotter's report a little while ago in fire inspections. Again, these are critical issues of public safety. Transportation, people don't think about transportation. I had a road reclub out to the airport two or three weeks ago and people forget we actually have an airport. I think he was really enjoyed by the group operations as Bobby Kidd and his individual department. That's shop and sign managed. That's construction inspection. That type of thing. Street department's pretty big operation here. that includes snow removal, repaving, sidewalk, construction and repair and storm water etc. City engineers do want his team and the airport authority and remember most of that is actually the machine fund for all the vision 100 and all that money we get now. Environmental protection, you know, real big part of what we do, 2.49 million combined. Environmental services 2.294 520 million. A lot of, if you're looking at your individual line item, we'll talk about this. You'll see in this two big line item are fuel and tipping fees. And we do anticipate somewhat of a bump in fuel. I don't even know what oil was down $7 a barrel I think today. So even though I think it's a good time, if you had mobile or ex-onning your retirement system, it's probably a good time to cash out. Culture and Recreation, we just heard from Jonathan and his folks, arts and cultural services really become a really popular event and I don't know if you've seen the ads on television for art mayhem just put that out that's this weekend we're starting to run more TV ads per sunset theater and our events. Recreation Services, this is your traditional recreation services, everything from the swimming pools to little league, to adult league, to the senior games, which are going on now. Municipal golf course, that's the operations of the golf course. And on our revenue side, when we talk about that, and you'll see that our revenue is pretty close to that. Of course, the maintenance is in another budget, kind of not necessarily so I'm sorry. Library, that includes the principal and the debt on the library. The library is paid off in 2015. And remember our relationship with the county is we do the books and magazines, they pay for all the people. The other eight municipalities is to reverse the county pays we do the books and magazines they pay for all the people. The other eight municipalities is to reverse the county pays for the people, but with headquarters for us, it's really hard to divvy out who's a county employee and who's a city, et cetera. And facilities maintenance, big operation here. Of course we do most of our own. And if you just look around, see their handy work, including the park down there on the corner, still a pretty good deal. Now, the water and sewer find, we don't recommend no fees, it changes to the rate of fee structure. As you remember, we have started on about a nine year, half to get us from three rate schedules and three billing periods, and not putting sales tax in, and doing all the things we're finally on on rate schedule and a half, I guess. We still have a few oddball customers here and there. But we're all on one rate schedule, one billing period. It's remarkable when we got to one billet period and one rate schedule, how much our paid automatic draft went up because people can project now in the old days. We are, we are showing some appropriated, we don't anticipate having to use that. If we get enough ticking some water usage, our water usage is remains pretty flat. We still sell a lot to seagroven random and we don't sell as much as the random one causes there on the plant now. And so like when they close their plant in the old summertime rush, we won't have that anymore. The minimum bill remains the same, that the same rate, the minimum bill for water is 12, 27, sewer is 15, 34. Remember a few years ago we broke that, we separated that to get closer to make sewer paper itself and the consumption is 251 per 100 cubic feet still a pretty good deal we'll try to have it the workshop where we find on the state spedometer we're still one of the lowest around and we still have some pretty big customers which is a good thing for us in this environment particularly. So then outside is two and a half times that as we set up. We break our water fund expenses down and I've always said if you go to the water and wastewater plant you can ever complain about their build again. Billing and collection which you see down here that includes meter reader maintenance operation. We are slowly moving to radio read meters where your truck rides by and it's an automatic data logger where you can go back and actually tell you what you used on such a day at such a time. We're changing on our big meters first and we've done the neighborhoods that make sense like Dr. Founts neighborhood. We can read it neighborhood for 20 minutes. We used to walk in read books in the old days and take a day and a half, especially because it's not very flat out there. Water meter operations, this is the maintenance of these and operations. Water maintenance is just the maintenance of the water system. Now, when you look at these two numbers in the wastewater maintenance, that tells you we kind of got an agent system. We do have an agent system. Remember, we have some pipes in the ground that are pushing on 90 years old. Water resources. Water treatment plant, 2.3 million. Wastewater treatment plant, 5.3 million. Technical services. This is our lab work. We perform a plethora of tests, all kind of tests more than a non-chemistry major's try to keep up with. That's a Rurned in Ward Law and those people. Systems maintenance. You guys don't see too much of. That's Jeff Kegel's department. Do you all of you know Jimmy? Facility, I know this is his brother, Jeff. You don't see him much. They do that, maintains their plants and our pump stations. Are ready to limit your gear, are electronic gear, all that. Pretty high speed guys. Got some electricians win there. Pump, pump repair people. Lot of training in that department and water quality again. This is our, I'm sorry, technical services is, is Michelle and the pre-treatment water quality is burning down in the lab. So that's 12.943 million. So we would like to call for the public hearing. We'll require bylaw to have a public hearing and advertise 10 to 14 days in advance. We'd like to set that for June the 9th. The budget workshop date may or if we could pick work on tonight and then the June 28th mayor of the council could, that's a Tuesday, and our regular noon adoption, that gives a little more than two weeks in here, almost three weeks in here. Council has any comments or react to what we hear the public hearing. We don't anticipate and we've been told by the Senate House leadership that we don't expect any cities, municipalities don't respect any changes to the state collected local revenues and that but we got a long ways to go to we have a state budget so that gives us a little room in here to maneuver we would request mayor based on we we've talked about. We could have a workshop and we'd go through this budget in depth on Monday, May 16th or Monday, May 23th. We normally would have those on Tuesday or Thursday night. Tuesday, May the 17th is that Randolph Electric membership night. Mr. Hunter and Mr. Sugg have to be there for that. Thursday, June the 19th is our usual workshop night. A doctor fountain has to be in Raleigh for the State Community College Board meeting as and he'll be going through this same scenario with them, depending on, they'll be extremely affected by the state budget. And he'll probably have his hands full that day. And then the Tuesday, June, the 24th, I mean, May 24th, she's missed it, read them, checks. So if we could get from the council one of those nights, whatever's good for them, we could see a turning city clerk could run the ad and we could get it scheduled. You could view the name, what noise? My name is 16, my name is 23rd. 16th for me, the 23rd of the end of the day. Of my, it is? Yeah. This month. Oh, 16th. And we would have that May 530 and have dinner. Yeah, or 16. It's got to be 16. 16. I can't do it in the morning. 16. 16. 16. Okay. How will I even ditch it? What? I didn't hear what you said. Nance carman. How will I find it? All right. Okay. We'll do that on the 16. All right. Okay. We'll do that on the 16th. All right. And that concludes the, um, some edel is required. And if, if it's okay, then if you'll call, uh, for the 16th, then we don't have to discuss item 13. It's completed. I'm making a five card. You're right. Five card. All right. Here. We'll go to discuss tonight. Oh, I'm going to snap. Chiefsman. There's that here all night, and I just look right over you. Thanks for coming. I'm not sure if you're ready for the war in London. You're ready for the war in London. You're at the birthplace of the art form. I got that first night season stolen at the street. I got the lanterns and the steam. So they made you hopefully help us out being moved for years old. And I do have a name with us, sorry. We are planning for May the 24th, 24th, 24th, from 6th to 8th. I have a table of things by 8th. I come to the dinner at the ABS, Grant the Center. We're going up the mountain for a good drought, people. Most of the average resident is from the Berchti family. She's from Staten. She's a slightly cheap, slightly new brush. But, you remember, this young guy was there. Old English. I remember this young was there, old members, and worked hard to make glad to you, John Bowen, who was big, and lots of other people, they were maybe a dollar ticket, and they were young, and I was like, we were enjoying the league, and we're proud of the glass for fire falling on time. Not because of the make-up, but because of the big wood that might have brought it here. And we hope to get my turn out here. I got some cool pictures on my phone with it. Let me hang out with the bird in that last house. I got some cool pictures on my phone with it. Let me hang out with the bird in that last house. Thank you, Chuck. Good forward to it. Okay, everybody put that on your calendar. Now, I think I don't need to agenda that we would like to discuss. Let me add what John said. Art Mayhem is a Saturday downtown. It's a combination barbecue cook-off contest, art skill art show and three events. It's a straight festival. Yeah. And that starts at nine, nine to four and nine to five. And five starts at nine. At 10 o'clock, on Saturday morning, there's a cemetery tour and the old cemetery, if you've not been to one of those, they're really, really interesting. And that particular one will honor a confederate's memorial day. And we're done. I also want to thank all of you for attending the prayer breakfast this morning. I appreciate you getting up early and being there and for those of you that were able to attend the lunch. I mean the noon prayer ceremony. Appreciate you coming. It's been a good day, a bit of a long day and I guess I'm just all warm out. Sorry for my confusion. Starting out here, Mr. Bell. I just live here half the birthday and do my thing to lay out some gifts. I'm sorry, but happy early birthday. I just hope it's made of. It's it. I found it. It's hard. I found good with it. Later in the next 20 minutes for six. We got in line to leave at 10 minutes after six. The pilot said we'll be a little delayed there. 16 ahead of us. So we're related. Did it rain up there or something? Was there any storm or anything? No. No, my mother's very delayed. Well, that's how it went. I was in a fair somewhere there. Was there any storm or anything? No. Just normal in the day delay. No, no, no. Well, that's so much harder. At last, I was washing it. Never old time. I was broke. Command the mayor for a fine job on a national day of prayer. They really did a good job. They both broke the stand of the thing of the noon sunset that was right there. That was a good job. You weren't as flustered as you were tonight. Even if your wife didn't get up late early this morning. Scared to spaker. Yeah. It was my first time. Yeah. That was really good. I didn't have an opportunity to go today and look at the renovation on the courthouse today. And that was pretty impressive. If you've not been been over there you need to go look at that just the work on the ceiling is just incredible the tin work is spoken and the art work on the wall it's really nice the ceiling so we will at that budget workshop that night we will discuss our opportunity later as far as our meetings and we will also discuss a short term capital project maybe Mr. Harder I just want to comment this memo from my myers johnson dated April 29th is Really good news for employees or great great news should say that there's no benefit change We're increasing health insurance costs for the attendance. That's like getting a non-taxable raise or amount to and it's day in time with health insurance being like it is. That's really good news for employees to attend to some families. We've got a comment on that. We're fortunate to have the manager we have and the financial leadership that we have and we're fortunate to have the manager we have and the financial leadership that we have and we're in better shape than most comparable cities around the Sun. We need to be very careful that we continue that trend and it's encouraging, you know, that we don't have to raise any fees, any rates or taxes. This is the point. It appears that that's going to be the plan. So thank you. Miss Rees. Mayor, what we'd like to do is we're at the end of our six-year cycle. So we adopt this budget. This is kind of, let's get it done budget. Let's finish the 10th quarter. Let's finish the library. And we'll come back in the fall, September. I mean, we'll adopt it. Everybody goes on vacation, July and August. September will come back. We'll spend Thursday afternoon in a Friday. We'll have the department heads. We'll build a 10-year capital improvements plan. We'll set our reviles to County Wheel in March. Then we'll know how to project out. So it kind of lays out. Generally, we're not this year. We kind of go like this on our six-year cycle. This is it here. We kind of stayed down there. But I think we're coming. We are seeing some light except, I think, constructions. Talk to the auto dealers and that. They've had really good months, record months, some of them. But up to the grocery store people, they're doing well again. But construction is still having a rough time of it. And we haven't, as witnessed last three months, I think our only zoning cases have been us. That's not a good sign. Mr. Moffer. Because I continue to decide the road scenarios before she gets wet are starting Friday night at 7 o'clock from Beeson Drive down to Salisbury Southbound will be one lane until could be as late as Monday morning at 5 o'clock. They all will be all we can. Go somewhere else this night. And I'd like to encourage Mr. Hunter here earlier. Hold him like me. I really noticed. I'd waited so long. OK. Appreciate all of you being here tonight. Appreciate all staff members and your contributions to our effort. Thank you everybody and I will follow this meeting adjourned.