That's my grade. Good evening everyone. I'm going to invite attending the first meeting of the new year. And after City Council, I will call this meeting to order and ask that you stand and join me. No more of silence. Followed by the legislature of the legislature. And I would like to remind everyone, just those of you who may not know, our director of planning and zoning, he'll nearly in his wife, bought her 18-year-old son this week. And they're kind of a sad week around City Hall, like for you know, all remember Mr. Neely and his family in this town of Saram. And if you will join me in a moment of silence and I invite you to pray in any manner that you seek fit. Thank you. A play of the ages is going to be a lot of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under our indivisible with the liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Come on, you're welcome. Sure. That's my economy. We welcome you all here tonight and appreciate your interest, Ed. And as we said, the city will try to move through this agenda as expeditiously as possible. There, we set out on the member agenda. We added two things that are just simply ministerial and nature along with items A and B. We added item C, which is we have to certify the firefighters and if you notice there was a list in there and there's, I think there's 84, 85 on that list. That is not an active and retired list that qualified under Section 58, 86, 25, on the General Staff Chiefs. That's the one with the firefighters additional retirement, which is a state reimbursement through, chief Smith, to those people. And then we also received, earlier this week, we received that from Raleigh, and we did receive the baby's seed board minutes. So if you can acknowledge them, again, we don't approve them, but we just acknowledge who received them. Okay, Council, you have your consent agenda for items. Is there any item on the consent agenda that you would like to remove for individual discussion? Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. So move. Second. I will motion for Mr. Hunter and the second from this Carter. All the papers say aye. All the post, the post, the carries. Moving along to item five, old business. This is a continuation of a rubber hearing on the question of a residential plan unit development, proposed by Gerald Hendrick and Mr. Evans. Yes sir. Oh, I'm sorry. I should open, reopen the vote here. And that's kind of an inside joke, people. Okay, and Mr. Evans before you get started, I need to, do we need a motion? Yes sir. Okay, I need a motion to excuse Mr. Swayer's from this deliberation based on the fact that as a new member, he has not been party to the previous testimony. So move. Second. Have a motion and a second. All right. All opposed. Mr. Swayer's, if you will have a seat in the audience until this issue is resolved. Thank you. Thank you. Following the line. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Stolz, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Mr. Stolz, this is a quick, second scene in the special, you support it. It's our quasi-visual Halloween to be so serious. In the final way, there's a clover back here with my children. I'm a bottle of water. We don't have pictures tonight. Yeah, I do. There's a clover back here with water. I think there's a clear van bill or not, but there are no pitfalls. I'll say a good evening and I'm just happy with the Council. Since it's been on the agenda for several months, I think it may be helpful to go through it very, very seriously and give a review of the case of the items that are being considered to be. So we're looking at the special use, we've written a component as well as the input subdivision variant to press. The variants request will be considered. There are four separately requests. So we'll be looking at the a, the station of each and the four requests and the order to proceed with the special use permit. All four subjects are very interested in what will be the grant. of course, the situation is, one way of playing here at the development of the system, I've got six single-banded residential platforms. Let's start off with you, the general overview of the property. The developer is an instrumental player that is currently here this year to see you. And I'm talking to you, manual brake to make sure that your gear is straightened. I'm going to use the prop to do what it takes on the happy lane. And the happy lane runs at this off to a road which is back to where I'm going to use the brake. The rest of the path is through the street. And I'm going to pass the house to people there. The house is in the middle of the street. There's a few things to take away from this. I'm going to have a total of just a few seconds. I have six blocks in total. I have a close incominator. I have a block and I just just under 98. That figure is a little bit skewed just because of the really large lot of block number six. All the other blocks are actually smaller than that. Several blocks around two the right position. And the district wave, you saw the property, is developed at the presidential property. Looking at the joint wave, we have the residence and residential, under the belt property, as well as the C-lakes property into the city. And we will think that way without this plan, the plain use of natural instruments, so a lot of care for us is just being in the process of the process. And I just want to ask you that, you can sense a mutual conversation properly. That's a mutual conversation. Properly. Again, the map as far as the zoning map, this would be Abilane. This is actually down the up and down of the US-60 Global West, or the West of the town here. You see the property out on the letter Ed here. Property is zone R15. There's a small corner that's actually from the CUNY zone in jurisdiction. There aren't any improvements proposed in that part of the property. That's just residual property that really does factor in to the sub-indizure special use of that little floor there. And the entire property is within, you see the watershed pretty clear. Looking at the aerial photo of the property, you see it's an enemy wooden track, the joint lane, the lower logins, the residential, and most of the boundary. And there are already city lights that have been prepared to light-bunch on just the door that they just have a problem. Just a quick slide for you. And I'll have things that you're seeing there. Just to you and I'll put the way out of this, this is a pool of heavy rain or up here. And then once the water is full, it's full of up here. And what the development of this is for playing against a dry, There's a lot of six lots. That's a lot. A lot of large lots up here, you see. There's also a complete recreational area for passive recreation. There's some barbecue here, parking and the walk control here in this location. This is the subject property right here. This one for the Westminster Drive and this is Abbey Lane. It's here at the intersection. This one being looked in south along Abbey Lane with your head back to probably 64 west Japanese property. And then this one being already from the property. And then this will be looking at these, if you were standing kind of near the boundary of pulling out of the property right here, which is not the property. So that's a general overview property. There are questions about this general overview department. Okay, I'll just go on to give a summary of the variance request and those four different variances. First of all, before I get into specific variances, let me just state what our And we've just stayed one of our warm-ins as far as the provisions for when there is the subdivision ordinance made in France and has an arctic full section seven of the sub-region ordinance. And in states that we're because of severe fifthographical or other conditions peculiar to the site, strict adherence to the provisions of this ordinance would cause an unnecessary hardship. The City Council on recommendation of the claim board may authorize the variance of this ordinance only to the extent that it is absolutely necessary and not to an extent which would violate the intent of the works. Those are the parameters that the subregulants use for the kind of variance subregulants should be given. Also, I'll give you the definition in terms of framing what our subgenius needs is how to claim your development or how to read that definition. It states the plan your development is a use designed to provide for developments incorporating a single type or a variety of residential, commercial, or industrial, and related uses, which are planned and developed as a unit. Such development may consist of individual lots or convoluted sites. And that common land must be an element of the plan related to affecting the long-term value of the entire development. So that's the subdivision, bonus definition of a public play of the development. Check. The four I can see the analysis of the variance reports. Just for the record, I thought to read the original request from the app. And a little mention of the fact that the record was suspended. And you can see the slide box on the top of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the issue of the from requiring sidewalks on both sides of the street. Due to topography and other concerns where requesting a variance to allow sidewalks on one side of the street. That was during the event. I'll get to that in a moment. Number two, variants from requiring the overfoot parking spaces within the development. Use a lot layouts there would be adequate parking in these residents. Variant three, variants from retiring the recreation of vehicle parking space. These vehicles will be restricted from parking on the street or within the right way, right way, in the development, but will be restricted from parking on the street or within the right way, right way into the development, but will be allowed to park on the individual lives. And finally, very explored, variance from the acquiring the 52% open recreational area provision within the development. There's only some user department and another spatial issue here with respect to the discussion, variance is on each of the available items, and the variance was represented in Mr. Head very immediately, and discussed the issue of hand. Should you have any questions or comments, please contact me in the smart lab, about the engineer Mackson. And this was dated September 13th. And then after that time, at December 21st, we were seeing an amended and re-growing the starting of the sidewalk. And it says, Mr. Redford, it's made to us. It says, just one of the lecture men that I just met with Jerrohead and he wants to go to the way complete sidewalk areas and say, how do sidewalks offer problems? How will local citizens to address this issue at the council? If you need anything, what kind of a strategy? So that was me. The event, which I The very important question. So the first part is, again, the relief from the requirements that provide sidewalks, which is in section 4, C5 of Resolverance. And that's states, sidewalks that meet ABA standards shall be provided along streets to connect other units, parking areas, recreation, vehicle storage, recreation facilities, central trans facilities, coastal centers, et cetera, and shall extend to intersections with existing treatments. So that will be asking for a variance from that. The second part of the test specifically, that measure question is from the river flow of the visor parking, which takes an residential bus parking space for visitors and the river flow parking. It will be installed, which you can 10% of the total number of units in the project. They're being six single-family residents, and there would be one visitor space required. And the applicants seeking a variance from the exact one space. The floor is really from the recreational center of parking. The language states, the residential public recreation of the municipal parking and storage area should be installed unless these vehicles are designated by crummocks and restructures. The spaces provided a Shelby 12, we've got 30 things, and so we shall equal to 10% of the type of remember units in the project. And so that can also require a war and recreational vehicle space, and the applicant is, the other option for that applicant to be to completely restrict recreation of vehicles from the operating district to public. The applicant's proposal does not include the space nor is the complete prohibition for sites. It is not understanding that we're looking at having some provisions saying that the recreational vehicles have to be to the rear of the single family structures, but they're not closing with the pro-visual. And then the auto variance is from the open and recreation space. In the section 10 where we see nine of the subdivision rules, which states that in residential putts open space and recreation space will be provided as specified in table 201 under the RA6 and section 321A of ash for azones. So the implication there as far as what's required is what they're proposing is when that ties back into the requirements of RE6, RE6 is required for the speed of the human REC District require speed-to-stake control open space. And so, with that, you develop a 294-888, acres of open space will be required. What they are proposing was people not to sit-take these open space. Also, the open space has to be a clear and high-level area. It can't be, it can't be, it can't be used in a lot, because people are going to make it a lot of open space has to be a clear and high area. It can't be from the time you do a lot of things that are making a lot of open and the way of the has to be within that common area. It's a ball-fop with open space. And the problem with full integration is 3.3% of the required open space, the recreation space. And that computes to just under anchor 0.99 acres of recreation space that's your water. I will point out that the applicants, using the recreation space department. They are posing 2.590% of recreation space in that part of the Wall-Betrayel Barbecue area. So that's an outline of the forward, separate subdivision variance that the outpriced is requested. There are questions about the subdivision appearances. I'll go on to the analysis on the special use permittance And as I mentioned at the beginning, this long work, the subdivision variance, this would be a special use permit for a plenty of development consisting of six single family residential dwellers. And just as a point of reference, I know I read this subdivision ordinance definition of a poet earlier. I just want to also read the Zoning tool of this definition to kind of frame how the Zoning ordinance, who would look at it, and it actually defines a planned development as follows. It's a land and a unified control to be planned and developed as a whole and a single development operation for a definitely program series of development operations. A plan development includes principal and accessory structures and uses that are substantially related to the care, care, and purposes of the plan development. A plan development is built according to general and detailed plans, which include not only streets, utilities, lots, and building location and the life, but also site plans for all buildings as are intended to be located, constructed, used, and related to each other. It plans for other uses and improvements on the land and related to the buildings. It gives all of the planned development that leads to a program for the provision, operation, and maintenance of such areas, facilities and improvements. and maintenance of such areas, facilities and improvements, as will be for common years by some of the occupants of the Pay and Development District, which will not be provided, operated, or maintained at general public experience. So I just give you a point of reference on this ongoing examination. And as far as the analysis of the special use permit, the property, as you saw on the map, is out side of the city of the limits, so water and sewer are not available to the site. The property is owned by our 15, and that permits any well-being of the residential, the use is owned, and a small portion is within the county's jurisdiction. The property is located in the watershed creek where it is entirely and that specifies a maximum residential density of one dwelling unit per two acres and the development of the facilities of the federal facility of the intro box and the passiveazarrick Bridge for you. As far as the history on this property, a sketch design for a commercial development was approved in 1988. Since, and because the developers are proposing a different type of development, but it, we shall, includes probably maintaining streets. All the current requirements of the zoning and sub-advision over this must be met. And the street within the development is proposed to be privately maintained. And as I mentioned in the beginning that the four sub-advision variances are necessary to proceed with a special use permit. The reason being is currently for cutting the site plan does not compile the requirements in the zoning ordinance because the zoning ordinance requires the cutouts in file with subdivision ordinance unless those variances are granted. If the council was to, I don't think so. Would you go back to the map that showed the property and point out the area that set us out for recreation. Sir. The entire property is this outline of the old area right here. The west next door, the four extension goes right here, and the locks are here, there's a large lot here. The recreation area is, it's a 2.59 acres right here at dislocation. There is a drive coming in, dislocation here, some garbage here, area, tables and more. So that's a deeded road into that That would be a private driver. Private driver. Private driver. So the recreational access to cross a private driver has a map show. And if you're on a server up, you guys have to have the applicant. You guys have to do the question. Well, we can get through that. Go ahead, John. Finish. Finish what you, and then we'll go back to the... Mr. Fisher's there. I'll leave it by your piece of evidence. I'll plan more recommendations. I don't know if you got to that or not. We'll learn some solutions. Oh, yes, yes. I will get to that. That's right, sir. We do have some suggested conditions as to the Council to grant the area to proceed with the discussion. Mr. Mayor, the first condition to grant the area that's a procedure to get the special needs for their needs. First, the initial review will be that residential needs is permitted by right in the heart of teams like this. Shall we permit this and shall not be deemed a modification requiring the issues of new special use from those, along with the total number of single-camera residential units is not a sentence. So if someone wants to build an accessory building or structure, I'd go normally to be permitted at our 15th, but wouldn't the required kind of back for a lot of patient or that condition. The item B, ultra-mits from the MC MC Department of Department of Natural Research, which should be obtained as a bioremcy or a condition of C. A significant existing vegetation is indicated on the slide plate. So we should learn where possible clearing and grading should be permitted for necessary food to be insulation of infrastructure in required agreements. And a building of any structure associated with the special use permit. So that's basically saying this is actually a show on the site plan where there's some existing vegetation preserving that property to not be clear cut. And then, suggested condition B is prior to the insurance that is only the funds permit for the employees. The owner is only a lot, so properly execute the members of the company's training. I'm not going to make sure that means. There you are, no way, no way, no way, no description. Prepare by the city of Canada, to propose a place you notice, a public commission to factor this place, and do your chamber to a tight football. So, those are the conditions that we will. We will start with the proposal for Council on Jesus to grant their experiences and look at the state of New York. So the two items again are the Southern Nation over the experience, which there are four separate variants. And the other two are pushing over to proceed with the special use permit, of course, those would be required. As far as the staff and claimant recommendations, only four variant items, the staff does not make their recommendations on some vision units there. The plainable did recommend that the vans should be granted, but they did, as was brought out a moment ago, went to the Abbe condition, or they proposed adding a condition that a pedestrian connection should extend between what tends for food extensions and the recreation area shall be uncycled so that there won't be access for the owners of the other five blocks. Other than that large lot of very young to be able to get to your recreation area. And, um, I hope the, um, staff will claim your take-dreck recommendation of the special use for their, our predictions. And this will be, again, the, uh, the language of, the, the, the students provide as far as when some division variants should be granted. And then we have a four test on what the special use for them. I'll be happy to answer any questions or clarify anything that the council is. Any questions? Mr. Evans. So the recommend what they recommend a pedestrian access that would be a sidewalk right? Just to put a path not a sidewalk. Okay. I don't think anything says a half-space sidewalk. Wouldn't be have to us if we could grant the variance. And we could condition that. It would have to be just or that. If we get that far with the grant the variance and you want to adjust that, and we could require it to be whatever, ABA accessible or 10-feet wide or paved or asphalt or whatever. Correct, yeah. You can attach conditions to bringing in your wants instead of two. Any other questions, Mr. Amings? Mr. Mayor, I may ask one more. Please. I'll clear by the question that Mr. Brant, I've taken from you earlier. The parcel shown is the park area. The driveway going to the park area is outlined as part of the parcel on the site plan. here it is. So Okay. Anything else, Mr. Evans? Okay. Sit on the front row. I'm sure we will. Mr. Pugh, you're still under oath. Do you have anybody you'd like to be sworn at this time? just time. Well, proceed. opposition, I would discuss in the process of counseling, requested that the matter be continued in the day to day. And I have an opportunity to review plans that submitted and also to protect the castle. I have two employees that have very few neighbors and households from Greensboro, Yolk and Counting Bar, and Mr. John Wright. Mr. Wright and I have been working on the half-life class to adapt it against why we started on a co-pilot, and now it's been working. I started to pay attention to the thing that matters in an effort to resolve some concerns that have been brought forward. So I don't supposed to go through entire presentation. That's in the minutes of October 8th. I would ask and I'm glad that the variance request is up there. Because strict adherence to the grisions of the soldiers who developed it on a necessary hardship, anyone who spent out there sending a contract to do this in front of the example. No opposed. A side wall per se, but a side wall for this road to be dangerous. There was no such thing as a problem. But clearly, the extent is absolutely necessary not to extend which would violate the intended ordinance. And this point on one may prevent violating the intended ordinance. The reason for this asking for this, asking for this cub, and then certainly a non-traditional cub, we got a minimum of lots of two acres. And one lot that's over 20 acres, that's not your traditional cub, these are requirements and the cub's, relate to concentrated housing. And then lots of other aspects. The issue about having parking for recreational vehicles has to do with active. You've got lots of houses close together. So you mean the provide space for recreation. And the rest of the evidence there's on the field with the appearance issue of the registration of the bill is in this point of room on the page. I think the logic of the parker's registration bill is in the room. But when I say to the extent that I'm blind with this, I don't mind like the intent of the bill. As the calls Mr. Henry and Karen can appeal to Bill out there, the property is properly summed, and today without the bill because Mr. Henry and Karen appeals could go out there and the property is properly summed and today without doing anything except to get a little bit sad and do exactly what you're proposing without planning more, which we're meant to do without approval of counsel. It's already pretty for exactly what they're proposing. The problem is, there is a requirement that that road be built to public road to stay standards. The next reason that the public and the government are the owners of the home of the way to be able to build a product and it's not a product, it's a product road. And product can also be a problem that occurred with nobody knowing who was responsible for maintaining that environment that you state either not way forward or so. Or agreement. This is going to maintain the ground road. In this case, we develop and people that find these lots of black houses. So my point is the reason I say, even though the sounds like one man, I was one here, two things. Two things. That's got a mild impact on the word. This exact same thing, exactly. It could be done. Without any approval, the requirements are kind of full counsel and clientele. Right now. All that my clients ask is that the use of the vehicle so that that road can be built and be a project building again. Does this mean that people can't use that road? No. The people that build houses are going to have relatives. They're going to have friends. And there are going to be some people who like to drop rent on the afternoon and they're going to go down there. They're going to load the truck around for a while. So it's not crowd drops, it's not flow. And that doesn't relate to access that relates to rents. Now, in my negotiations, I really, we really worked hard to call this, but it's really the opposition to this request. It doesn't really, it relates to past history, it's a certain process that will make, it's a certain process that makes the streets, the front lines of the main line. The front lines of the main line, the government called Central Peabond Industrial Corporation that was about burning Wilson Wilson, the real-time construction. I don't have here a record of talking about the spirit and it says this is to inform you that Central Peabond industrial corporation developed for a guaranteed bill of southern bill. and it says this is to a four-year descent of P-Mot, industrial pull-door and developer, guaranteed field-subdued. We'll maintain the roads and sets of vision up to state requirements until such time is not carried on the part of transportation as that's the dedication of its growth. And it's signed by Vernon Wilson, who will be your commissioner's parent, like I often said to you, the evidence that just is personal, I do not know. We need to start a fair point. We'll start a fair point. And my line is pretty clear. It's joined with all those who are in high position who are supposed to. The signal we can do to enforce that response for. But that's what was done. We're similar to you two in force by response to what? But that's what was done. Now, one has Karen D'Hillson, but you can say we're big in, and she really doesn't really need to close the poster out, and then an argument that the development of this problem does not affect those that have been in the Middle East based off on this. Can't just set those in an opposition to these variants. or at least based off of this. Can't just step those are in a position to, to means variance. But the Mr. Wittler, that couple, and I spent with Mr. Wilson, in response to the hearing out in response to the words of being treated today, they had to put on record. Now, what Mr. Henry Henry and the parent of Hills have done, and I mean what they are responsible for is, regardless of exactly what it's had to land. Anyone from the top of the hill to the end of the cul-de-sac, and to see that needs safe stand, that's what they're prepared to do. And there's also responsible for each percent of their cheshire. Eric and Hill still owns nine lots in the old side of the building. And that's the one side that this prop used to be outside. In terms of a directly affected blows in opposition, blow them out of faculty. But, and I say with respect that the player who uses this is an opportunity to address past grievances and not deal with the merits or the merits of the development itself. So with that, I don't be caught. But I would ask permission for our students to be caught and I would be glad to answer any questions. I think you have a question. I made a point of the private drive and private road. I think we were asking about the drive to Lot 6. Yeah, that's where you get to the end of the private road. West Michigan court extension where it's turned around to you turn right into lock six would that not be a private drive? Not until it gets the lock six. So you're telling me that the extension, they're turning right and traveling another six or seven hundred feet is part of the private room. Yes sir, look at the service. All right. It does not. It does not appear that way on this map. To the other educated. I mean, I may be overlooking something. Here, a second. This is the first map. See, a little bit of something. And I might as well just address the case. Yeah, please, please, I just want all of them to understand. So, a lot of six starts here. So, this road goes all the way down here in terms of the road. It goes all the way over here. Yes, that's the private road. That's it. That the six property owners will be required to maintain. Yes, of that property. All right, got you. And I would suggest the acid like that. Mr. Sanger. Well, it does. Is the engineer here? Do we know exactly how many feet, linear feet of road we're talking about here? Here's the 8-1-0-7. All the way down. Well, I'm going to ask you if the all left is by 1168 the starving stock I was figuring the grade from the house key. If all went by 1168 to start the stock, I was figuring the grade from the day up, but that's about 1160. Well, from the entrance, say the from the entrance off of Westminster. I've been bought of a hill and provided a lot of tricks. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of tricks. Yeah. Lens. So you have six, and if they are put in the top. But I'm not looking at it. I always prefer to do it. I don't know if it's a very good thing. It's a good thing to do it. It's a good thing to do it. It has a good vision that that's really good. So I'm going to make this a rock for you. It's a great thing to do rock for you. It's a great thing to do rock for you. It's a great thing to do rock for you. It's a great thing to do I'm sorry. The question is a miscapue besides mine. Absolutely. Absolutely. Would that be any different the other time you ever appeared here? Okay. I'm turning for the residence. Well, I'm sorry. Is anyone else that would like to speak in favor of this request? Okay. Now, sir, you will, you're new to this process. You'll need to be sworn. Step over from the clerk. Okay, Mr. Wright, would you just give a little name for the record please. Yes, Mr. Mayor. Members of Council, my name is Tom Wright. I am a colleague of Green's Board. It has been representing the 31 members of residents who have built houses in to hold this application. And when we really regret having to be here, finally, the discussion was very far from the point of view of the combination. So if you regret this, it's just what they are trying to do that, but unfortunately, we will not hate this, just to do that. But there's a time and a half of the year. We're are here to first of all, let me, there are some members from This is not everyone there, but it's a representative sample of members of the South Beach. Before I get started, I'd like to hand out a little package of some information. I'll leave the floor and move the time. Now, maybe it's up short, but I'll put this. Please share it with me. I'm not involved in this matter. I just accused my his initial presentation. So I was a little askin' not to benefit from the wisdom that he's been part of the account for that time. So I probably just went on to talk to him twice. He checked your head, and he was slay on him all Sunday. I don't know if that was the case. So, I'm going to start by talking about what a good year is. And I will struck by Mr. Evans' presentation about the definitions of the circumstances under which a variance could be, especially used to be, a special one could be brought by the council. But the plan of unit development is a site plan with streets, buildings, the lines, building locations, out buildings, the kinds of things that you typically get with the cut are the kinds of things we get a neatly planned community that has a bridge of streets and perhaps resid is built in a small lot of recreational areas around it. And that's not what we got here. It really is not the point of the Jeff Bridge, the area, which is planned and developed as a unit, you know, such as if you have a common meaning association of half town, a number of different things like that. And it's got to be a lot of value. It has to be based on the common land. That's what adds value to the best amount of damage for a different range of certain open space requirements. That gives value to having perhaps a higher density with an outside, you got an open space, so that's a difference. This is calling this particular development, a plan unit development, I think does violence to the concept of a plan to develop. There is no question about that. Carrington Hills 2, you know what I mean? And they have done such, you can request, because this would be developed as a traditional subject, and actually might be a plan where that was done. So why are we trying to fit this square peg in a round hole for this? Well, the answer was given by Mr. Pugh. It's too expensive to build a state-to-state maintainable load for the section that you build as good as this. that state maintained brother for the section and it gave his hands to the second fish. He got the question, he didn't want to build a front brother and I don't know if you're saying to have a side excuse, I mentioned that it cost $9,000 more. That's the thing, I think brother, this was the real front up here. If you take a look at the pictures that were shown by Mr. Evans in his presentation and there's also I think the photograph in the package that you have here shows basically the kind of very interesting. There is a photograph of graph of the topography of this particular area. And you will see that the cross is a water portion, some sort. There is dot speed size on the u-side. Other photographs there is to be explained which show where erosion has been a huge problem already on the side. And I think members of the council should ask yourselves, well, if you're going to allow a non-traditional put in this case, do we all to do it under circumstances where the construction, which is not going to be state standards, could very well cause a danger, no guard rate for a time on this side. There could be sidewalks, there's nothing to indicate, you can't put sidewalks there, but he doesn't propose a bar railing or something. That could be probably, it would be required if you put it up and stay standing. The kinds of erosion and flow and kinds of drainage that would be required to stay standing. That's why it calls more to do it that way. And the state requires that for good reason, If you look at this particular site, there are reasons that a public road in this particular circumstance makes a lot more sense than that proposed private road. This particular subdivision really doesn't make any sense at all to the standpoint of a cut. The only reason it makes sense is it's cheaper to do it. It's quite good. Where you don't have to provide the same safe guards and you don't have to provide the same degree of erosion in the building. And that's why I was saying, I want to speak to the variance request. Remember the whole reason we're here. Now, it is because it will save the development of some money. That's not bad, but nobody is against that. But I think if you confer with your counsel, he will tell you that mere economic hardship is not a sufficient reason to grant the parents. The case law in North Carolina actually got some cases which good that far. which I will not be able to show you this, but so it made quite clear that simple economic circumstances is not enough for itself to grant the gains in this case. And that's not the only thing that's not enough for me to get these sheets to bill, to build a private road that doesn't have the safe safe guards. Rather than do what you can to do in the 19th and 18th of the original press, which was built and called the road. You know, this particular site. So now, for example, it's specifically looking at the four types of cairns. As you look at what is being requested for cairns, you understand why this really isn't a plus anyway. Sidewalks would tie the develop together not only does he not want to do side sidewalks on one side of the street, which was proposed by the engineer. He doesn't want to do any sidewalks. If you look at the site plans itself, there is a 50-foot large way coming in. The pavement is something like a 29-figure unglin. So that would be the same thing on either side of the roadway where you can have a sidewalk. Why is it necessary under these circumstances? Well, the answer is, the cycle from the same time. Find on the cycle from the same time. The causes of the conduct. The rest of the conduct from the next time. If they were a little buzz, they would have been a couple of times. So, this simple example would make sense. This simply is an effort, I think, carve out an exception that's going to end up eating up the foot exception. And if you allow an exception in this particular case, you're going to get many non-traditional puds where they're not really puds within the definition of the ordinance at all, but they are simply an effort to try to avoid other subdivision standards that otherwise would be required. And that's all that's here. This is simply a single family development, which doesn't have any detail unless the queer house is located near Louis Square or somewhere in the state house, typical 3,000 square feet. This is not showing a square, but the house is going to be located. It's not showing showing us where the house is going to be located. It's not showing us where the septic field is going to be located. They'll say, well, I don't know if we'll figure that out later. Just approve this and we'll eventually get this rate of subdivision. And then you've lost whatever advantages of the flood evisions of the ordinance with gift counts, to know what and you can get the claims out about what's going on here. It the conditions of the ordinance would give counsel to know what and give the plan to say about what's going on here. It simply doesn't make sense. There's no show here that sidewalks cannot be built. The only reason they don't want sidewalks is they don't make sense. Why don't they make sense? Because it's not the same thing with the park. Well, if normally you have closely dense houses or townhouses or town doves or something like that, you might need a visitor space here, and that. With this, well, it's just like a regular subdivision, and you don't have that all make this just like a regular subdivision. The reason that it doesn't make sense to have parking for the recreation vehicles or for additional cars is, this isn't really a park. It's a regular subdivision. And if you say, well, enter the guys of the park, or how these parents is, then you might as well say that every subdivision can be a park. parents is then you might as well say the never-sepidation could be applied to that book. There's no reason for him to do something else. He doesn't show that this really is what the ordinance is intended to impress. The same thing with regard to the open area. A flood has 50% of open area to the coordinates and in a traditional flood you can see how that worked, houses are so pretty together, you got fields, whatever, heart space, surrounding it. Here we have a low two acre track and so it's tucked up in the queen and neck. It leads to a 37 acre wash. Can we say that this park area is what gives value to this subdivision? That's what the definition says. That's what the definition of a cut says. That can open space and the common area, in this case it's two more than six roughly acre trash, where there's more to be paid on. I mean, you may be a trailer to. Does that give the six lots of subdivision expand? And is that what's the end of the month? How are you doing this not? I would say the only reason that's there is because they have something there and it's not really a bud. They want to play some lip series to the idea that you're supposed to have substantial open space and rather than have whatever it was. When it was eight percent, they decided, well maybe two days we'll do it. That way we can say we have a space. It simply does not fit in the definition of importance. And the lessons you are prepared as a minister to say that a put in the development can, by virtue of calling it a put, wave the requirements, morally required effective like you would to make it look like a rate of subdivision. Then you should improve this just as a matter of policy. There's nothing here other than economic justification that shows why a variance should be given in this particular case. Um, I don't know why I do want to talk about what, because that's the key to the neighborhood opposition. And Mr. Pugh says, well, this is a really fast history and it doesn't make any difference. Let me give you some of the history of this particular subject issue. Originally, Mr. Haydrich owned property since 1988. He sold his substantial portion to a company called Cedar Pay Coons, which contains a number of laundry carry bills once, once on a heavy lane which goes into the, his HACI has to have some access to this pretty, and he'll look at the handout out there's a sketch map, I think, from the very first text box. the handout out there's a sketch map. That shows on paper stage that, at the lane leads from West Triathlon all the way down to West Mr. Court, all the way down there. If you look on that first page to the left there, where that little leg of the road comes out, that is where the streets of the existing subdivision would intersect with the proposed streets, the private drive, the road that the developer proposes in this big rough issue. But we have heavy lanesane's a long way in it. Cedar Bay comes to plant bankruptcy. The agreement by Cedar Bay comes to maintain Abilane and the other streets in character, Hilt One, was discharged in bankruptcy. The lots were purchased by a Peamont Industrial in a contract with Hink. Peamon Industrial, you know, that was King. Peamon Industrial signed a agreement, which is enclosed in here, same thing that was just a few days earlier, from the second page. We said they would maintain the rooms of the subdivision until the next time, as the state took them over. The 20 years ago, it was roughly how long it was, but always from years ago, make a lot of that, that happened. Nothing has been done to maintain the roads in this upfishing. And if you look at some of the photos that were here, probably quite as well, major Major, there's major problems with handling. The second item, third page, in your handout, is a letter from the North Carolina Department of Transportation where in response to Mr. Thomas Shiner, two of the other majors that we've got what to do about the road in this situation. There are a number of things that needed to be done in order to bring Abby Laney up to state centers. Despite the fact that these roads were constructed 20 years ago, none of the roads in Carrens and Bill Clawy have been accepted for maintenance by either the North Carolina Department of Transportation or by any city-vaculate of the county. Nobody has accepted the responsibility for maintenance. The roads were, however, dedicated with classroom work. And as a result, they are public public streets as far as that gets. But they are public streets that nobody is taking care of. Now is there an obligation of people on industrial corporation? Yes, however, I wrote the letter to people on industrial corporation in December and say, maintain the streets. The figures that the homeowners have obtained indicated that it's about $200,000 on the Gation of the Board to bring the streets, not including chastrick boys, up to state standard so they could be accepted. Well, no response you can see. That's what we said. So right now, we have neighbors that are carrying the bill's water through essentially, if they can't get compliance from a big model, who knows what they'll have at the time. They're going to have to come together for months in order to maintain any way in order to give Mr. Hitch access to the private road that he's called. And what goals the neighbors in this particular case is that Mr. Henry is not paying a cent toward the money that these neighbors are going to have to pay up. That Mr. Henry and Perry can choose to send some free rider. They're going to be able to use Abbey Lane and get destruction vehicles or vehicles for access from the residents that ultimately designed their, yet they're not paying a cent of Nipple to pay to maintain and repair, have you heard whether it's wrong to say Sanders or not. It either will continue to deteriorate or the neighbors will have to find some ways to come in and make money. Come up with the money to leave that. So the neighbors do not believe that it is fair for this private cause, and being well, we're called as a community of synology, to allow him to be a free rider on the obligations of everybody else in the subject issue. They wish the circumstances, where they wish, of course, that the state would have taken over these roads, but the state won't do it. Until they have all the current state standards which involves the expenditure of the over-pairs half-dollar state. This is the Garreal one along here which is now the most required when the original sub-fisional is kind of the more of the amount. There's a whole host of things that we can be done in order to be able to bring that up. And there's no money and no source of money to do that. Certainly no offer has been made back here. That is a substantial rejection, not only the fact that this particular plan is defected in itself, but just the whole circumstances that are required. We believe that there's no showing that sidewalks can't be completed. I'm speaking of fair and square. That the variance of a parking, that just shows that really this isn't a putt at all. Nobody else has to park like that. There's some subdivisions, but they really shouldn't be a putt here. Because it's just like everybody else is dressing subdivisions. There's no difference in the way the house is laid out. There's no difference in where utilities are in the country. There's no common plan shows locations of buildings and so forth. It's a matter of economic hardship only and the cause of that we believe that there simply is not enough for just a kind of a variance. Now I'm going to move on to the buzz application. Now of course if you don't grab the variance you don't even reach the application, you can find from the evidence here, especially in the situation regarding the constraints that the years will materially danger the health of the safety of the neighborhood because this private road is not as maintained as not to the same sand to the state road. But now the guard railing inside doesn't have the same safeguards that the state maintain roads have. And the calls of the topography here are actually necessary. You need to do that in order to make sure you don't have to put the file down as well. Or the cars, people, anybody else, whether there's a sidewalk there or not. That wasn't there. I'm gonna, you know, there's also an argument that to call this a HUD is not really an harmony with the rest of the area. It's not, this is really just the same thing. In some ways it is. It's the same as it is. It's a subdivision. People can go out there and build houses just like they could. You need any other locks in parent and children's locks. And there's really nothing, no difference there. And if you go call it a pud, there should be some difference. But it's not here. And for that reason, I think you can find that it's really having a pud over these circumstances. It's not harmonious with the rest of the Terenceville's subdivision. It really, it really is. It doesn't. Calling it a pud doesn't add any value. There's no recreational space for this little two-way contract that might have brought you here on this. I'll make you trail to it. You know, if, I don't want to delay for all of this, but you know, there have been troubles with character bills even now. There have been notices of violation in copies that are enclosed in here. The owner, for example, of the lock that he tried to next to, it's on the right, he turned left and I can'ttakers all have a lane. For example, as complained of the fact that caretakers have still already encroached in all the current property and has cut down on 10 to where it shouldn't have been. There's a section in here that shows where that is. The plants, as they're supposed to be in temporary construction, these that is. The plants that are supposed to be in temporary construction easement, but for the efforts that are already made and draining for which the medicine is in violation which is the thing that is in the issue. That wasn't done earlier. There's reason to doubt that in the nature of that reason to doubt that Karen fulfills is taking his legal obligation seriously. Another reason they don't feel that Karen fulfills his taking his legal obligation seriously. Another reason they don't feel that Karen fulfills his taking his legal obligation seriously is the fact that on the other end of Karen to build owns a number of lots. They own current lots. If you look on page one, we'll see an area around the Jackson Place and Westminster Court over there. It's away from the Victoria area we're talking about. But you'll see, and it's not quite accurate, I think they're nine blocks, they're left here that he's sold to other than I can't tell you which ones they are. But in any event, Carried to Mills 2 has the obligation to maintain the streets and roads along the Cheshire Place and along Westminster Court. If you look at the weather from the state, you can see that that obligation is not meant. There are practices that need to be fixed. There are, and this is just along Westminster Court here. Cheshire plays itself. We don't know what the state requires because there's not enough bits to be taken over anyway. But the obligation of here in the hills too to maintain the streets for Westminster Court up to that cul-de-sac. I simply haven't been there either. Look at the letter from the state, which in case that. So, I don't want to believe all of this. I could say a lot more, and frankly, I think something that is might like to say a lot more, but I think unless the council has questions, in the facts that I have summarized here, and I'm happy to present Ms. Townsend, for example, who's locked, who's approached the farm one of its show here, or Mr. Schneider, who knows about what the state requires and has been looking into the figures that it required. The work, the main thing that led us just to get in, to get this paper, to get carried up to the access. They're prepared to talk about that in council wishes. Are there any questions? If not, thank you so much. I'm not back in sunlight. Thank you Mr. Wright. Anyone else in the audience would like to address the council regarding this request. I'm not going to let you have any questions. Since I'm continuing to property and I am, they've been encouraged on our own. One of our books. The very easiest phone in our cart. If you would like that in the record, Ms. Townsend, you need to come up and state your name for the record and tell us what you would like in the record. Ms. Talison, you need to come up and state your name for the record and tell us what you would like in the record. Name the talent, Townsend. And I would like to speak to the fact that they did not attain an impeachment from us and the drainage that he has for this property rather than the first portion of it and less Okay. Any questions of Ms. Talisman? I think that is impacted. I have figures of all of that. And the letter that not has been accessed and requesting them to solve. I'm going to hand in case the legal case to the city attorney to bottom. I'm sure this is the right way to go to the city attorney's office. I'm going to put our order in the of the seat. I'm going to put on the other side of the seat. Okay. Council, the heavy questions of either party. Mr. Peer, I'm sure you've got some rebuttal. was actually great deal of freedom. There's a natural force for the current of the hills too, and I think they're hindered, and these other folks have come from us, and I think they're pretty good at it. Those bi-dressing situation were just troublesome. And other plots, those are great in the current of hills too, and the Jones, the majority, more lots, majority of the law is the majority of a majority of the members of the association do their assessments against the other members of the homers of association to make improvements. Of course, the question has always been, I don't think I'm finally narrow discussion, so any conferences are discussion for the rest of the right, as it always is, it would be the amount of money that's being demanded. But the principle of working together in a joint home association has been accepted by our partner. And it is in my client's interest to see that the concerns that have been expressed are already dealt with for the possibility of these lots, these new lots. That's a good point. Second point is, about a month, we did dress the full lines and the I'm not the boy. But Mr. Rye, excellent attorney, but he is my one after-culton argument, he has very more than six and especially these people, and so forth, are meant to, you know, a certain role, certain results, they're not meant to be straight yet, it's that's why we have evidence. And then that notion that if you approve these variances, and if you want to open a floodgate for people coming into your military, asking for us, I don't think this should be a concern to you. Not to you, but the variance is particular to a particular piece of property. You don't have to grant this, Betty. It's strictly within your blood, because calls it a variance to your zone. And you can treat each individual case from its own merits. This approval of this variance is very practical, right in line with what a very exposed people. He owes all of this property who does not create a precedent that you have to approve every part of it, that this rush, that people are coming here as you for non-credential property. But what will happen if this is not a career? Is that first of all, Mr. Henry and Karen Chilestoo will not be able to develop this property. Number one, they can't come back and ask you for anything else three years. It's the same thing. Number two, number three, they will not be in a position to join a homeowner's association. They're willing to do that. It's the real way, the real way in the box, which these other problems, and that means that their care and complements can be addressed. That can be partners to address this thing. And partners with cooperation, that's probably an old subdivision in anybody else. And so I would suggest that this is a situation where the variance on this is specifically designed because exactly it doesn't do violence because it results in exactly the same thing that the observed that this character could do without any further action on the elsewhere, except when it makes the streets. This period under one question, and we've lost all over her everything else. We talked about the roadside thing. What is the basis for the variance of the 30 acres that is available and is not open for open space or in recreation? Well, I suppose the insight in that we, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, compact lots. This is a cost of the certain housing costs. There's less land, houses are closed together and we made this 50, or I'm saying, what did the subjects say for that purpose um, it's a rice lunch that's listed as a sheet. You can get that in there to talk to you. We'll take the list of it, too. That's all, uh, the whole of it, the real reason is, the reason for that open space and the traditional house is a practice program together. And that will not be the case here. Thank you, Mr. Wright in the interest of Fair Play, do you have any further comments? I do, but I would like to ask the Mr. Sir Bass to look to solve the White and White I think I overlooked the softwood light and nightgay statement, which would be awesome for the audience. I will allow that. Come on. It's been famous. Not this week. Thanks sir. I think tonight we'll rate the position. I'm going to use the right of the set of hats. I know that I have to as well as a lot of the engineering details. It's good for the status that. I know one of the accounts is well as a lot of engineering details. It's pretty sadish that the rooms in the room consider to have anybody to make an end of what's in this report. I can't really just do this and still find some books. There's some kind of shape and honor problems here. I would like to measure these pictures in reference if I may. This is the end of the poll side. Is that just one set of pictures? No, it's two pictures. Two pictures you've got. OK. First time. That's good. Is that just one set of pictures? No, it's two pictures. Two pictures you got. Okay. That's good. Oh yeah. It's a cold sack that nobody lives on. And this is the condition of our lives. We'll have to pass them there. Okay. We'll do it. I think the picture speaks of himself. I don't have the naturopathic stint of anybody. But, for all of us, the parents of someone dead before, because you can see the other house. This road is here to someone who's been here before. But you can see the other house. This road is 10 years old. This should not be in the ship. Any questions or Mr. Chirpus? Thanks sir. Okay, I'm going to close public hearing at this point. Which is all of them. Just a moment. And, uh, all the questions have a very variance. Cancel, do you have any questions or ideas? Discussion? There's a very efficient way to have the strands but that's the very important thing. Okay. Let's mark. Oh. Just for, I for keeping with you. A bit of housekeeping I guess you might call it. There's been a lot of discussion about a lot of items and clearly the neighborhood developer, developers, we've heard many company names, etc. used through this. There appears to be an issue that's been discussed about the existing road and this condition, that's where it came. But to me, to clarify, that's not what never part of this request of anything that was put before. So I sympathized to never party involved as to the existing road, but I don't see. There's nothing we can address about that civil matter. The townsmen evidently have some sort of a situation, at least by the information they presented as to, I can, I don't, it brings a question about what's on whose property, but again that's probably a civil matter between the parties and hope to resolve all that. Mr. Hendrix, representative, gave testimony that Mr. Hendrix can go and build this as a subdivision as is right now without asking any further permission and that seemed to be correct. That tells me a lot. If you want to comply with the ordinance as is and build it, then perhaps maybe that's a choice for them. This particular request I think is very broad and very far reaching as it represents our subdivision ordinance. The testimony as presented for variants requests in particular A and D have not shown to me that are absolutely necessary or not absolutely necessary or cause unnecessary hardship and that these variances would violate the intent of the ordinances for our subdivisions. Specifically, sidewalk sections C5 can be built with the topography this day. The open space concept and ratio is the very essence and value of the intent of a poet in the sense to be a putt by definition. Thus logically it speaks to me that this request in itself renders this putt by its own plan and intent as a proposal to not be a putt. It makes the full circle. Based on those findings, I would make a motion that we deny variance requires A and D. The one parking space seat is the normal issue. D was what? The open space. That's the point's the fans. I have a motion to To now the request for variance specifically request a and D Item a and D of the request Do I have a second for that motion? I will motion for mr. Baker a second for mr. Baker. I'm sorry Any discussion? If there's advantages that the knife stopped over normal, I mean one space is a one space, I'm going to be zero. It's more, I can't get, it's more I can't get past the other two to get to those little atoms, but wouldn't Stapp and Mr. Stakein, is that the motion is to now the place of state of Mr. Mocky, A and D, you can hang sidewalks in the other place, but you grant the other time to thank the B of Mr. Parking and all the other time. Mr. R. I have a couple of hearing, I don't know if I can bring the state of China. That depends on what you say, your turn. Right. The Mr. Mayor, you've always been arrested through the foreign home again. Mr. Sight, the effect of all foreign experiences is a massive series for the state of New York. So, the strategy is to take them to the texture of the state. That's right. You are correct in that word, the definition of B to be free in the sense of slight ending in line is how it's all different. So without a B-free, the reason I'm called by that, which my area is that I think my name is Peter, is that in case the elephant wishes to ask the elephant to continue to dish up, and I don't know the third one, they don't know the third school panel, but the applicant has to continue the issue, they just get guidance on which courses of the site plan would have to be amended or corrected to comply with zoning works because there's a grant that could be used to convey to the RV, the disapartment having more reason issue on site and that was stated. If they did not, would be in the English year, do not be in the English year, and they are in the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, and the English year, with the F3 council about the motion that is in May and two grants of course through the knowledge to the grant. At that point the applicant is learning how to not place on past frights because he wants to proceed and have the council consider the issue to be knowing this is your correctly state that without those ranances it does not comply with no more. For as you know, not by the by the society. I mean, I can't even come on as a court lawyer. It's not a man. I can't do anything. I hate the genius students to ask for that. Only on this should be because they've already made a motion here. They're pretty good to decide on on the southern bank areas. Okay. Right. The else is because we draw a decision being such a goodbye contract. Now, wait, council is not here to decide on the place of the decision that we're leading to this. You think that's just a call? You know, maybe it's like that to the point here. So it's a prep before. Now, we have to address any questions from the panelists. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Do we have any discussion? Then I will call for a vote. All in favor of the motion to now specifically A and D of the variance request and approve the EnC of the variance request say I can't wait. All opposed say I motion carries. That Mr. Feudy you have a request. West. I'll be there for a half of the FAR CPA. Exactly. One time, you have to be moving inside. I understand. I'll entertain a motion to approve a continuous for the SUP request. What's your name? I have a motion from Ms. Carter to have a second second from Mr. Burke's any discussion all the favor say aye all opposed no we have one no vote Mr. Baker motion carries Mr. P. I will say this if you come back with this request I want you know how many feet of straight you have. Because I think it's closer to 1700 than 1200. I've been sitting here adding and you know I have to count on the fingers to do it. But it appears that once you turn at the bottom of the hill go back to a lot number six. We're looking at 15 to 1700 feet. Well about that 100. That's a straighter. Not 11 or 12. About that, 100. It could have been a straighter or a driveway. That's my question. At one point it was a private drive, easing it to a public park. That's amazing. His testimony was that turning right at the bottom of the hill was on to the continuation of the private road. That's what I specifically asked you, and you said that was true. Two lot number six. Okay. It would be nice if the engineer was here to read some of this. I think my concerns just so you'll know this is a stretch to call this a putt of the incline on the street in the private road and while this is one of my business, I have serious concerns about six homeowners being able to maintain 1800 square, I mean 1800 linear feet of private road. So I understand that a state maintain road is a whole lot different issue, but my opinion this was a stretch and I'm just giving you advice for my concern for your next request. So take that for what it's worth. Or if you can buy this crap, I'm thinking. It hurts somebody to say one time, my fallible memory. And I was covered and we were covered. This was a drive. This is my dream soon. I noticed that. I thought we were showing it on paper. That's why I wish, I wish your engineers here. When I ask a question about how many of your feet I don't need you guys sit there and try to add it up. Somebody needs to know and manage who it needs to be here. Thank you for your patience in this whole matter. Okay, anyone that was here for that issue that we'd like to leave, we'll take just about 10 seconds for you guys to do that. Keep the seat. Keep the seat. We'll make a motion to allow you to return. Throw that firm stat like. There's heat in the air over here. I can't push it up. Okay, I'll entertain a motion to allow Mr. Swear to return. That's appropriate. Senator? Not necessary. You know what he's going to do is put one on the table. Mr. Swear to allow to return. Well, you know some environmental issues can't tell. I'm going to take a second. Okay. New business, Item 6A, Mr. Evans. I will open the public hearing and consideration of proposed zoning ordinance text that may be pertaining to the Center City Planning Area. of the defense amendments were initially by city staff and looked at the Senate and play in the area of the country. And they specifically built with Article 200, which is the Section answer the question of what the requirements of area high and pressure channels would be. There is a portion of the property that's going to be available in some parts of the other room, so it's going to be a separate room. And we have three development properties. We developed them in the top of these building at the space and recreation space, and then we're going to be sent to a area and building and parking sit-backs, as well as recreation, legal parking. And we got to look at it. And this touches many other areas other than 200, the Asian or 200, which we're looking at, including the Article 200 and the Indian. The table is an area high voltage placement, the table of use in the table is 200, two and the base of that table is our 300 modification of yard hydrocarbons. On the 300A, the subtenor regulations are 400 being off street parking and ladies, which includes the table specific parking requirements for various conditions. The signed regulation of the bottle and the table 500 more and the mixing of articles of the special uses article 600 and finally article 11, such as potentially that the award works is home to the EU and which we will pull over the EU. I'm Senator Sixth, from here and for a very large definition of situations that are in the area of work for the audience in different years. So, situation is a factor of support as well. So, and just to give you a little picture, you can see the city clean area of the zone where this was created back in 2004, so we're coming up on eight years already. To include the donors that were identified by the legal development plan, we've made that central training area at the city of Tilly Center, because we have all of the opportunity to be. These donors were then done in the development and the center city, second of the world, including preservation, and the location of the disinvated goods, and making sure that in this tunnel, we have to keep the work to care for the area that it's in. The same thing to do here, but then back to the city. The residential area of the center city, playing area is divided into the three-step tiers. Tier one is the center-fuel area, the center-fuel area is the main area, just beyond that. It's tier two in the central fringe playing area. The center-fuel area is the north-line buoyancy. I'm going to show you. Yeah, because I have a piece of that. You know, the family is still in area right there. Yeah, two of them. I think that is the simple distance measure. There is a seven-pound south side with a tall tree. Going down to just below the Thalbergs Market and just south side of the Dermot. And then, there was the tower and the east side of the Dermot. Here, too, it's just that North and the capital street has the hospital on the Boulton Castle Street. I get down the Sampdash Street. I just didn't have this idea of the capital street, past the hospital, a little bit of the capital street. I get down the South Bay of the street, I've just been to this idea of the high school. And then there's an out scene of the future interstate to the west. And then tier three, these commercial and beholden center extends just beyond those locations. Actually goes all the way down to PC Gardens. So that's the area that's been coming in there. I'm going to talk about this inner city playing here. As I mentioned, here in one corner, it's out of the pedestrian corner of the city of Ashboro. Tier 2 and 3, the linearity of the confluent areas that are also part of the central city or center city plain area. And there are some unique aspects in terms of the history of land adult patterns and uses that characterize each of the tiers. In tier 1, the parking is mainly provided by Wall Street parking and public parking lots. Tears 2 and 3 don't have the access to the public parking, but they are typically more pedestrian oriented than the areas outside of the center city. There's typically sidewalks and we link these locations. And then also the building setbacks progress as we go through tier two and then the tier three. We're going to go right up to the screen, tier one, and then further back, the first tier three is the tier three as the floor of the campus look, the wallings actually in front of the bill. And I'll set it on the Columbia surface, the decreases as we leave for the other alleyway, a cure-loan, and the key point is that the regulations as one of the goals in forming the original Kray Guard at 200 to recognize the CIRC was to realize that this area is distinct from the rest of the jukebox based on some of these historic wing that we've had within that section of the original CIRC, and certain modifications to building design and the place of requirements, size specifications, building design, and the place of the apartments, size specifications, parking, and even when we get in, it's getting working together and some information seems like public housing, other parts of different developments. So what we're doing is we're looking at review based on some of the questions that we've been dealing with with different developments and just research on best management practices in general in about the areas. We're looking at doing this about this to the center of the point here. Specifically, at this point, the text that we have, which I mentioned in a lot of research and we've got some of our issue here, such as an open space kind of being a war of sliding scale, with the percent of space that has to be other than sex, things like that, to kind of reflect, but care throughout these areas and encouraging some of the redevelopment to the existing structures. As one producer that we're looking at and through one at this point, it's dealing with some of the parking issues with adaptive reuse elements. And this to it, to reference the council on adaptive reuse, this was a section of ordinance that was added to the tier one about a year ago that if a building is used for some purpose, other than it's a regional purpose where it's redeveloped, for example, an example that we have to adapt to reading should be something like the B&H panel property that is something like a manufacturing facility to begin with, whether it's worthy to residential use. There's other potential examples that we could have out there. But because of the layout of the buildings and the parking and the less in need for off-street parking, because of the access to public parking and on-street parking, the parking apartments are used when we have an adaptive reuse because we want to preserve that existing integrity of the bill as part of the reuse. So the parking is modified for just a number of spaces covered in the resident. So what we're proposing at this point with that is keeping that same concept with recreation vehicle parking and stating that if someone does do an adaptive reuse, they're not required to provide recreation vehicle parking. If they do provide parking then it has to be within a completely enclosed structure so you don't have the outside storage that you may have in some more suburban locations. So that's the context that we have proposed to the adaptive reuse is parking a recreational vehicle The recreational vehicles including boats, travel vehicles, and infrastructure, etc. It's not permitted unless such parking occurs within an hourly close structure that complies with the requirements of the loan owners. The designated pro-gary for recreation vehicles required to multi-family dwell in NAV15 lakes to take the 2002s shall not be required for residential adaptive reasons projects. So, let's say that we're looking at being more flexible in our parking requirements for recreational vehicles to encourage some redevelopment properties just like we're being flexible with the parking in general. But if it is provided, then it needs to be within hard-bathed closed building study. If you build that architectural integrity, we don't have large outside storage lines. So that's just one item that we're presenting tonight as part of this. In general, looking at our center city playing area, our text amendments. There are several goals and policies that would tend to support and disrequest and appreciate none of that would tend to be negative for your words. With all that said, we're still doing a lot of research on some of the urban space provisions and keeping within the center city area making sure that our regulations fit with this our character of the distinct years. So at this point in the process, we would ask that this request be continued, and it would currently draft these some text amendments to ensure that the development of the Center City Planning Area in our relates public health safety general out there, and the reason we use the public health care. The planning and the moving is so close. From the front. That's right. I'd be glad to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. Edwards. Mr. Mayor, I move we continue this request as part of our comprehensive view. We're going to get that highest position. Second. We have a motion from Mr. Bell on the second from Ms. Carter to continue this request. All the favor say aye. All right. Motion carries. Thank you, Mr. Evans. I have six B. Mr. Luck. Consideration of resolution authorizing the submission of the approval application for approval of an urban progress though. I was going to turn it back up. It's just damning the thing. It's dark. It's dark too. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark. It's not that dark application to designated or truly re-designate our other programs. Again, our pressure memory from what the other programs are. It is, you know, I was about to send, but no general send in tax legislation. I created a new tax press program. This was the Article 3J tax press. And Article 3J, 3J credit is brought to tax, three times the tax payers, that went to the fall plan, just $1.1, threats were creating jobs, the two of them started from messing with business property, and three, threats from investment in real property. Furthermore, the General Assembly, granted you missed out on this county's de-authority, does make fall plot areas as urban progress models, that you don't see on the grant even just about this quality of the authority to, doesn't make qualified areas as urban progress models. And projects located in urban progress models are also seen enhanced for the free day textbooks. So another pressure, this is our current urban progress model since the clock three is required to run as long as it's point two. There runs long south there. And comes up this part of the realm of pretty sure and the realm of federal history. Simply, what this our property is all represents is another economic incentive eligible to the city at no cost to the city. I will say that in the year past that we have had this some designated only received on one hand for me. Unfortunately, the two properties that we're not located in that are repatriated. If you have any further questions that you have to answer on the resolution is in your packet. If you have any further questions that you have to answer them, the resolution isn't your packet. That's for the questions that I've got for you. The far western most are right now. I think it runs along. It could be runs as I know. I have a similar branch. It follows the family's absence clock 3 and 3. And HUD designated the zone, right? Yeah. Yeah, the Department of Housing, Urban Development designated the zone, not. And then, Communicates to us what the zone can be. Not that we communicate with the other communities. Any other questions? Thank you, Mr. Locke. I will entertain the motion to approve our reference. I'm moving to approve the resolution, or not the resolution by reference. Second. Motion for Mr. Bell and the second for Mr. Baker. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you Mr. Locke. All posi Bush and carries Thank mr. Luck now it's a designated time for the public comment period There's anyone in the audience who would like to address the asper city council on any matters pertaining to the city of asphalt You're big chance chance. Come on. Sure. Go right ahead. Speak loudly for the record. Tell the record who you are. King Rift is on January 16th, 8 p.m. and 8 a.m. and this year is kind of a special to us. We have heard something in memory of Leo Luther. He's thought his work was 20 years ago. Thank you Mr. Moves. Many of us have been going here every year and I would encourage any of the council members to attend. That's certainly a good morning. We enjoy, I always enjoy being there. Look forward to it. Pardon? Well, was that any of the branches? Yes, because you're in charge of it. Thank you. Anyone else who would like to speak? Okay. Thank you very much. Item 8, Mr. Johnson. Consideration of a resolution concurring with amendments made by the city manager to the city of Ashboro personnel policies and procedures manual. Mr. Mayor, there was a council personnel committee in consultation with the city manager and the city attorney. The fact that I read some recommended changes in the personnel policies and procedures manual seems not to be everything. If you approve, we would like to lease changes to the effects of February 1st, 2000. If you're looking at packet at the exhibit one, you'll see that the recommended deletions have struck three lines, and all the recommended additions are under one of the groups. I'm going to go thinking that the plan is fair, but briefly, but of course, the team doesn't have any questions or concerns. These go great to stop me. And I'll be left talking about any recommendations to one step. So, the first recommendation is a recommended change to Article 3, pay plan, section 7, western town, and then that's like what it would be, but more in your packet and covers it, it's a two and three of resolution. So if you would look with me's under section B where it talks about existence for weeks. Now the city is required to pay all the money's into the void for any unused and disordered if they even then they need employment to sit. However, up to this point, the personnel policy has stated that exempt employees will not be paid for unused extra time termination of the void. First, now for me to have a long discussion about this. And the member's field, there will be more equitable to provide the same certain for non-exempted points. And to go ahead and compensate exemptively for any claims that are put towards counter-regulation. We would like to, however, set a limit as the amount of unused physical time that will be paid for, and we can set that limit at the same limit that we set for non-experience. So those limits are specified later in the personal policy in Article 9 and the Fair Labor Standards Division. And those limits are 240 hours or regular 40 hours we can voice and 480 hours for police and fire extinguishing. So that is the first reason I think. Next if you would look with me and visit to your packet and that is a nice thing. I'm just gonna give you a minute. Here we want to talk about, um, sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Since you've filed out, what's going on?itching by the North Carolina local government employees or tariff systems. Now, right now, the personnel policy specifies that individuals tired by the city have to serve in six month waiting period before they are allowed to come in with those terms. And that's always been OK with retirement system rules, because it used to be the low enforcement and fire fire employees have to serve a year before they are eligible to apply for this ability retirement. All other regular employees have to wait five years as a member of their retirement system. But those rules changed the effect of July 1st of 2011, Governor in Zalal House Bill 538. And that may have changed that law enforcement personnel do not have to wait a four-year. They are eligible for five or this bill to retirement their first day of employment. So, in order to comply with the new law, the personnel can already recommend and then do away the six- month waiting period to join the entire system. We'd like for all employees to be able to join their current system in their first day of the point. And I want to make clear that this recommended change does not affect the six month probationary period that employee has to serve in a relation to their home status. This change simply does away with the six-month waiting period or an employee that a poor was required to serve for being allowed to come in there with their services. And that is cases 5 and 6 in the resolution. We talk about Article 7, the use of aspect, Section 1 holiday, and also Section 4, vacationally, manner of taking. If you look at the underlying areas of those pages you've seen, we're simply adding additional wording to those two sections. What the personnel and many members wanted to accomplish in these two sections is to make it clear to employees that if an employee is on holiday leave or vacation leave, if an emergency situation occurs, the city manager does have the right and the authority to suspend it and previously approved holiday or vacation leave, if that employee services are desperately needed in the city of New York. We're not saying that it's four weeks on holiday or vacation leave or on call at all, and the city manager would only be able to invoke this policy under extremely unusual circumstances. But we do clearly state in the first half policy that the city manager does have that right and authority if we take a seat. So those are things that they ask different. We may just remind the council we do have a personnel policy. We don't have a personal ordinance. Policy doesn't establish property right. The ordinance establishes a property right. The policy doesn't, that's something public personnel, lawyers, and personnel managers fret about all the time, but the policy changes do have to come before the council. So there is a checks and balance system. Okay, so then we have the personnel, so we have a whole full balance. Any questions from Mr. Johnson? Thank you, my regards. Appreciate it. I want'll entertain a motion to prove these changes to the personnel policy. I'll move second motion by Mr. Hunter and second by Mr. Berks. All the papers say aye. Thank you, motion carries. Item 9, Ms. Reeves, consideration of resolution, authorizing the execution of an installment financing contract. Mr. Pugh, I'm sorry. That's all right. You can continue as soon as she finishes. That's all right. You just have to be a roll place or roll time. I'm just going to use two to say a try. You just have to wear that off. Okay, Ms. Rees. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a number nine figure package. It's a resident's offering an institution for stalling, lighting, and field. We hear a call in the budget that we've had on the four-digit operating system, we've had certain potential. Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much. We appreciate you. As I decided here, we'll be finding things that earlier in this year, we adopted a lot of serious and interesting issues. So if you'd allow us to go ahead and purchase others of the issues that allow us to put it in purchase over to the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPLs and the EURPL I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm Any questions or m Reeves? I entertain a motion to approve my reference. I move your brief on reference. Second. Motion by Mr. Baker and second by Mr. Berks. Any questions? discussion? All the therapists out. I don't know. I'll post. Motion carries. Thank you, miss Reeves. I attend. I understand we're proud of everyone. Yes sir, we purchased property on Friday, which was 30 year, I think. And Jeff not left the attorneys office with the check, Debbie goddess, and gave Chief Smith the keys. So we now have that purchase price. It was a $201,000 plus incidentals to close. Also in your packet is a resolution of appreciation honoring the ones. The ones courtesy of the wild and spints estate. And then also in the honor of William Kendrick Lew Allen and then the Reese K Hughes and the family approved this and Mr. Lew Allen was a firefighter for 30 years. We found his service dates and all and they were very touched by this and honored that the city would remember them at this time. So we recommend the resolution of the appreciate and been drafted by the city attorney and we'd recommend. Through the mind. And keep in mind that they made a significant reduction in the price because it was gonna be a fire station. Yes, they did. And they had a nifantity for our fire service. So, Chief, thank you for your diligence in finding the location. I thank you for your diligence in pursuing and purchasing that. David, thanks for writing the check. Oh, these are hard to believe. Okay, hold the truck. I know it. They won't be riding to parade to burn. Please. I would like to play for you. I think it's all the time we drove with the business plan. I'll play for you. Well Chief, 20 years from now, if somebody says to me, why in the world did you put it there? I'm going to come back. You'll still be on the job. Yeah, you'll still be here. I probably won't. I probably won't be here, but you will be. Okay, do I have a motion to approve that resolution? Oh, what was that? He moved. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll Okay, we have in your packet a list of City Council meeting dates for the year 2012. As you know, July meeting occurs on Thursday, July, FIA. You got to meet if you want to. I was as you make ten. I think it would be appropriate to move that meeting to the toilet. Any other items in this schedule ofesties for our regular schedule meeting that no, that's what the charter lies out if the council wants to move it to the twelfth Just direct the staff and we'll pass the agenda No, the men will publish the change. All right. We don't know no to me. We have noticed of any other conflicts To out and see to everybody of any other conflicts. All right. So I'll sit there everybody. Okay. There's no need action on it. Okay. Let's say here. I was remiss when we started meeting. I should have gotten up and hugged Linda for being here. Mr. Asma, like you go where you're looking good. I appreciate that. Which everybody looking at? Well, are these damage going the same there? Oh, I'm sorry. The set terrible winner is the plan of board then made on the fourth on T.S. Dr. Laiberto? Yes. All right. Well, never mind. And have a birthday. Have a birthday just. I don't think there's anybody else in the room. Oh, Katie. What's the date, Katie? What's the date? No? What's the date? The date is the fidget. No, your birthday. Your birthday? Your birthday. Whatever you look at, The date and the birthday is not birthday. And I'm 76 years old. Oh, right. That's birthday to you. The mayor doesn't say anybody. And that's a good thing But we glad you spent your birthday with us my mother was 93 today My mother turned 93 today You know where I am Okay, oh, let's say here Holly good to have you back I don't know where I am. Okay, let's say here, Holly, it's good to have you back. We had good coverage for you while you were gone, but we did miss you. And I know it's tough to leave that baby and come back to work. We're glad to have you back. Casey, everybody, I want to say thanks to Casey. Everybody's got a stack of these, here, ask for a logo, stickers, or your car, your way up there, you can see things, your business, whatever. Casey's done a lot of hard work on getting this together and you also, each of you also have a city of Asperger license plate. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. You love it. Okay, yeah, JT and guys at Sign Shop, this is all done in house. So take these, give them anybody, anybody that would like to have you guys over there. I appreciate this is your prize for sitting here all night. Okay. I'm coming in. Mark Luther King, Wednesday, the clock going to the 16th at the East Side Jam. Very good. Brian Parker said the work in Brian to organize the march of town this year. So I think that's still the plan. So the march is usually about 10. I think it probably 10, 30 uptown, but I think it will be a little closer. So last I left Brian and that's what it was like. Good morning, team. Well, I think we're going to leave the breakfast at 10 and come up town. It might be, that's what he said. In 30. No, we eat breakfast at 8, but the sweet one goes to 10. Yeah, you know. We usually, the police are sitting out there waiting waiting to lead the march and and we're all in there having breakfast but anyway we'll be there so many of us will be there we'll look forward to it. I'm trying to get this further. Thank you. How is the meeting between the teachers? Okay Thursday and night tape is a workshop, work session for the council. That will be due to the advertisers, do you have your notice? If you have anything that you would like to bring before the group with that, that particular meeting, give it to John. We'll take care of that. Dinner, dinner, dinner, dinner included, yes. They will be here, and dinner dinner dinner included. They will be here and dinner will be included. That's 530 right after work. January 20th Chamber of Commerce and meeting in dinner. City has table from tickets for you guys. And on Friday February 3rd, Representative Pat Hurley has invited us to a town hall meeting at the Randolph County Court House with at five o'clock from five to six thirty with the House Speaker Tom Tills. So unfortunately at some Friday, we'll probably have better attendance if it was another night. But anyway, put that on your account. Five to six thirty at Randolph County Courthouse, open to the public. You know, it's a town hall meeting. It's been going over the state. The speaker time till us. Okay. Now, we'll start down here with Mr. Muffin. Anything you'd like to offer? Happy New Year to everybody. Mr. Hurt. I just like to say this. I hope that the New Year family received a lot of peace and encouragement and comfort for the day after the many kind of words and test managers said today at the funeral service at Oak Long, it was a nice service. I'm fair of beauty. That's what the doctor said about my blood clot. I'm beauty and dead after that. That's a good thing. Yeah, that's a good thing. Hopefully this cloud will be dissolved and all of this is called the yesterday's shit. I'm overdoing it all with you, but then I got to cut back. I'll get a better beauty guy, yes. But anyway, that's been a long three months and trying to get this thing healed. I'd go back on the 23rd, no, do an ultrasound, no, tell me if I can go back to Zipline and they're running. Thank you. I just remind everybody that sanitation schedules are on the Martin Luther King Day City Halls clubs. Obviously the banks, the post office and all that clubs, the court aspect. Sanitation schedules run the regular routes. So if you're a Monday collection date, put your can out on Sunday night, please. close the court aspect. Scentation schedule run the regular route. So if you're a Monday collection date, put your can out on Sunday nightly, so you can signify the enabric. The new website is a channel eight logo. Sony it now. Also, you've noticed this week Christmas decorations have come down. We'll be putting America flags back up in honor of Dr. King to the... I just want to thank the city employees. They have done an excellent job for the holidays. I mean, I have a singing e-crease laying around and the trash was zipped up and the fresh cans were full out into the cut to right and they're just excellent job and I'm really appreciated. You know, you have a lot of company in and stuff like that. It's very impressive to other people from other areas how our projects do. I don't think this is fast enough because I really do appreciate that. I was thinking of an excellent job. And I am not therapeutic Just to regulate my Well, just echo what Lyndon said Since our last meeting I guess with the Christmas on sunset and the parade and all the activities going on downtown I personally was impressed by that city staff and employees and how clean city was looked right after everybody was here and There was several members of the executive committee of the Chamber of Commerce about the extraordinary efforts that City staff utilized and then make notice more forward. And the debt transfer they did to make it special. And something you can ground up. This fund for us. And we've got to take a lot of pride. We've always taken a lot of pride in it. The boys take a lot of pride in it. They did it again. Charlie? Yeah, we appreciate that. We appreciate being able to sit back up with the rest of y'all. I'll talk to you better next time with regard to the lights and the thermostat. Still, we haven't been able to still learn. I want to come in John. I thought he did an excellent job on watching him. I'm telling these tonight on News 2. I'm at Asperger and I'm, again, compiling our trash pickup. And I think I like to see the ice on the fountain in front of the library. I heard that. I did not see it, but I heard that one. It was nice living. For those of you who might not rush home tonight, might catch you at 11, but Channel 2 did a thing on our trash pickup and the possible correlation to an improving economy by the volume of trash. That was on the 6 o'clock news. They interviewed the manager and one of our sanitation workers and showed some footage of Ashboro and as you all know anytime we can get mentioned and noticed in Ashboro it's a good thing. We had channel 14 down here last couple weeks ago doing a piece on the driving downtown and what's really going on down here. So we're constantly striving to be noticed in a positive way and we've been doing that lately and I appreciate all the hard work on the city employees the way the council represents our city. this from my junior mayor than our business when we talk trash we really talk trash adjourned thank you for all being here All right. Listen to mine. Hey.