Thank you. Good afternoon like to call this meeting to order The first item is agenda approval. What's the will of work? I got motion a second you need discussion Turn down a call question on pay register right hand. You put it like why? All fair, ready to write in. Any opposed? Likewise. As a member of the leadership. Ladies and gentlemen, we actually have two items under agenda. One is the budget workshop for the evening. And the other is a closed session item for a VISTA location under NCGS 1433181184. The budget workshop is a workshop among the board of commissioners. We will not be taking questions or having comments from our guests are out here in the audience. This is for the Board of Selfs. So, clarification. And with that, I will start with the first item which is this is 3779 budget workshop. But we'll ask the county manager to give us a little preview review. I guess a preamble That will open up to the board to see if they need any first clarification or any other information guarding the budget That was made by the county manager and so Mr. Harrison thank you, sir Our IT director is Johnny on the spot. I wouldn't think about the presentation, but thank you, Jay. Just to apologize, Danny Cersei generally comes to these. He's getting ready to hopefully have some family time away for the next four days. And in James Kulgo, I don't remember for solid waste. And IT Jagd being with us. Usually are some of the ones that are our keys to working through the budget process of course your fire district Part of mentioning Deborah Conner also is spending some kind of grandchildren Hopefully you wait as long Oh, is he okay to ensure if you get on this schedule is coming from it So just kind of summarize I'll do so briefly just to remind her we landed at 80 million 826,507 for the over for the total general budget. The total budget for all funds is a reminder that includes you were fired apartments and other funds that passed through. So that said 10710,000. Overall, for the operating budget, it's 4.283% increase in recurrent risk for your budget. I think the percentage increase for all budgets was 5.16. I'm probably just not going to be correct if I'm start slipping here. We did not ask for an attack increase. We asked you to maintain that same number, 45.4, which as you're a reminder, that's 14 cents less than four work two years ago. So we have reduced it that much. We're maintaining that. And right now looking at, in order to make this budget work, we're at two million, four hundred, three, one thousand, three hundred, three hundred, three hundred, three hundred, three hundred, nine dollars fund balance that we would recommend appropriate to the budget to balance. 4% cost of living adjustment. That's pretty much the standard we're seeing all across the state. Our local towns are a little less than that summer, three and a half, three and a, 3.25, 3.5, 3.5, another county around us that we've been on, competing with for a lot of our positions like 4% have even heard the possible higher. So we're continuing to watch that. You know, especially on the public safety emergency services side, that seems to be the biggest areas where we're filling that pressure, building inspections, DSS, some of those key areas are the things that seem to be putting the most pressure on this for consideration of 4% request. Continuing inflation, supply chain, I won't belabor that. It's just incredible when you look at some of the reports we've been reading at this level of continued inflation and we're also seeing it's sustained with almost going on three years now. That's what driving our operational expense because as a county government we're honestly it's not growing that much. Outside of Medicaid expansion it caused quite a bit of increase to the budget but again that's a good portion that's federally funded or through the state for those funds to support that. That's causing increased to the overall budget. Again, talking about wage competition with the local and regional public and also in some positions, profit sector. And then of course, the significant decrease in sales tax. Touch on that real quick. The two big areas that concern us about sales tax is that we know that first of all that the number appears to be plateauing, Paula I think has really theorized accurately that part of what's, what we think's happened. We've had three years of arp dollars before that coronavirus dollars and it seems like that as these funds continue to, which is great, means we're applying funds toward critical projects, but statewide, as those money started getting depleted, we are starting to see the sales taxes going normalize now. The other issue for us, it's causing a reduction, is the municipalities and fire departments. They're taking a larger portion of share of our sales tax dollars. Fire departments departments as you know a lot of them and I'm not being critical fire departments I know there's a need there especially For them because they're having to look now toward Bringing full-time staff on rather than just volunteers because the volunteer pool is up there not there So I get it, but it is pulling some from our sales tax Preparation I think the county at one point, based on the ad rule, we have two formers you can use per capita ad rule. We use the ad rule model. I think we were like at 80 to 83%, 84% at one point of $1.00 of those dollars now. Now we're down closer to 76. And potentially, you see that reduce even down to 74. That's where we landed. That's scary, because those are dollars that we depend on for subcommitting the ad war tax, we didn't get any other revenues, but also that's a key amount of funds that we use for trying to ensure that we are funding the school system education that we use. Talked pretty heavily about the need to ensure for staffing though that we are providing competitive wages, one factor of that being that we have some of these positions. We spend a lot of money for them over time. Building inspections was an example I gave you because with building inspections you end up needing to get a different level of certification, multiple levels of certification on the building code inspection that takes years. And then you have additional requirements under the fire code. So that takes years as well. We estimated at one point I just ran it and offer around $15,000. We're spending on each building inspector. So it's important. And the same thing that we've been working on for four minutes, same for our EMS people, the DSS social workers, the economic services, and commandist case workers. We have a lot of positions that they go through a lot of classes to get certifications and it's an investment. If we're true to that investment, then we need to make sure that we are fully investing from that perspective based on our coal increase to be competitive. So preliminary numbers just came up to a figure of about 90 million. That would fund everything we received knowledge from all departments and offices, but from school system to college. We can do that, but it would require you to raise a tax rate from 45.4 to pit to 7.02. So that would be an increase of tax rate of 11.60 tubes. All right. Just a real quick reminder, public safety education, the MSR, just showing you general parts of the pie, more of those funders going. Public safety is taking the largest share right now. That's going to include Sheriff's Office, EMS, emergency management. But also some things that fall into that category, such as animal control and I believe policy and building inspections, all fall within what we define as public safety. So there's a lot of different departments and offices that are covered under that. But that's where we're seeing the greatest investment of $100.26% of education and human services, 23, the general government and other services that's coming in at 14% of the product. Just to keep taking away his real quick, the budget, we designed this around the idea of trying to address continued inflation, operations and management costs, increased supply chain issues, Danny and Jay of Paula continue that better than anyone in the room, the pressure that we continue to see that we're under for that. Focus on recruitment and intent retention. We're trying to get our employees not to live in ways, but to a thriving wage. Insurance quality service delivered across all departments. And that's ESET. We have 24, 25 different department offices that are served directly by our budget, over 700 employees. So try to balance that out and ensure that we can do that one goal is pretty critical for us, but it does require that balancing of the funds to do so. And again, no tax rate increase. Real quick, college, we recommended three million, 26,700 feet five, and capital outlay, 700,000 dollars. Looking at the school system, 17,000, 17 million, 368,689, capital operation, $1 billion. And just wanted to make sure I won't go over that slot again just showing you where that service is right now that we have the good news is where that number's been coming down and down and down as we continue to start to pay off some of the debt search we've had specifically some of the schools we've had some of the schools to drop off from the last few years it's great to see that number coming down but it also does help enhance our capacity if we do have big projects that come up at some point in the future. But again, it's one of the solid waste enterprise we did see it I need. Again, for all the same reasons, we're still seeing that your reduction in some of the fees we used to count on for quite good, recyclable material, tires. A lot of the fees that we would get, there's continually, seem to be reducing that economic base seems to continue to road. But also to see the companies we work with ship our trash off from the transfer station as well as even our cyclists, y'all know, we've taken a hit with that. One point where never make a profit, but it was a very minimal amount of expenditure to cover the cost for shipping off with cycling, but the y'all know from about three years ago, the Chinese market stopped accepting USA based recycling and that kind of put a big hit on the market here. And so now we're paying quite a bit of a shit. Overall, those CPI's consumer prices and excess not yet. CIO numbers, whatever that cost and inflation, we built into our contracts, 4% by 5% whatever that is. We're still being impacted by that. As you all know, the one I think is Republic, for two years in a row, we've kind of been hit mid-year because there's still continued to fill the pressure for them to operate function with their subcontract or subventures, and their company's as well. So it is continuing to cause us more and more more just off of the base, as we have. Pleasure. You'll see those increases, solid waste, the household fee. That's a 153 to 160. The SWHV, SWW solid waste, I forgot what that says. On the day of the day. RAP increased from 813. But MSWTB, and fee, 70, 47, 6, 63 to 66 on the CNV in the yard, twice TIP and fee increased from 48 to 45. That's a real quick summary. I'm glad to respond to any questions you have. We can go through any aspect of the budget that you'd like to. Any particular questions about budget items? We're glad to go through that you'd like to. Any particular questions about budget items? We're glad to go through that with you as well. I didn't want to mention on the nonprofit funding, we kind of kept that held for the same entities. We had a few new ones that came across. We tried to maintain what we were funding for, the current nonprofits and center organizations were funding finding now, I did one of the safe or full transparency, one of the new ones. We added this was in cooperation with TDA, and that's for the school system. It's been working for them to move it to the old Bambra on the RS Central Campus, which is a great perfect space for them. And so to do that, they're gonna need to spend about $100,000 in renovations making hand to cap accessible. So they have been successful in pulling down funds from a variety of resources including TDA, our match toward TDA, the submitted budget of question is $15,000. So that's the one new and I didn't want to make sure that you solved that was in there. And we're making a sizable contribution to kit census as they continue to try to get the factory up and running as well, I think that was 15, 25, 25,000. So they're shooting for a goal of, you may know, better than I, 700,000 left remaining this needed to finish out that building. Yeah, I'm not on the board out. I'm just the board. That's exciting news as well. Any questions? Anything you all would like to comment? I still got a question on solid waste stuff. I understand the concept of the fact that it is an inter-price system and asks us for itself. But there's still a time that I think it's unfair in the fact that every family in the county that owns a house or whatever lives in the house or whatever does not pay that 153 that if you live out in the county you pay. Every one of the municipalities, if you live inside a the county you pay every one of the municipalities if you live inside a municipality you don't pay it and I just think that's unfair because it's not they can still go out and use a convenience centers at any time they want it they can come use the landfill anytime they want it but us the out there in the county we're the one stuck paying that one 53 if everybody in the county that owned a house or whatever had the pay, that one hundred fifty three would drop down to maybe sixty bucks and everybody would pay and it would still run its fail. I don't know, that's just a... No, I'm thinking I'm glad you brought it up because it's almost laughable because every year we taught through the scenarios. We work our fingers to the ball in our minds. We wear them out trying to get to a clearer understanding of the interpretation of the rules and laws that govern solid waste management. I don't know how many times we've read the Carmelonzies different school of government coast-candidates. There's been times we've kind of looked at this and read a little, well that's okay. School government, they're very resource, nothing personal. But there's been times when our interpretation might not have been as aligned with that. This year, we went through the process again and we got really close. I appreciate Paula Richard, James Kilgo and Richard Lawson. We engaged and engaged in Randall, Connoqueries and Reports. I think the biggest challenge we have, it's not something that's now executing it, it's the time we need for the tax office staff to make sure they are clearly identifying doors. Those qualifying doors, businesses, ones that we would assess one fee that goes across all the county for improved properties. We went through a whole litany of definitions and make sure that we were clear what they meant, what they could do, what they could do. We're more comfortable now than we've ever been. Appreciate Richard and all the his and all of this time around, it's simply because he's kind of added value to or taking away value from an idea of how to be with that fool. I think right now what we're at is it just came down to not enough time to fix everything that need to be fixed because you have to go in and those parcels. Some can be pulled in automatically that would be the ones identified to get this one fee others would not would require staff having to go and touch every one of those parcels hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of parcels and unless we could figure out another way to identify those homes the thing that was interesting this year, the Recycle fee we have kind of hasn't set up and established, but it's a little more broad than what we would need in order to do this one fee that we go across the board. Because I think for us what we're landing at and a lot of counties do it that way, they charge all citizens or improved property owners in the county than one fee because it's about maintenance of the Solid Waste Department, not how much waste you deposit, not whether you live in a town or not. So we feel like that needs to be corrected, but at the end of the day it takes time. And I think right now where I've left with them is, well, let's start on it in late summer fall. That way we get to this time next year, we'll be ready. Make sure you've identified all this properties, because the challenge you have is that some, let's say like a staff member here, when you talked about this, they own three portions or contingents. One has a pretty property. One has a garage. One is just an open fill. So how do you charge that? The system of getting it to identify those are pretty properties that are habitable, are a business, are a commercial and a vegetable. That's the part that's taking time. So I say all that to say that, I just wanted you to know the complexity of what we're working to get to this point. I feel more comfortable now that we can do it, but it will require them time to go through the database system and compare that with what James has as far as his information that he can identify those properties that would be assessed for that fee. Now, the good thing about that, the one thing we'd like to bet is if you do that, then it reduces that fee for everybody. So right now for proposing 160 dollars for Mr. Benfield, he lives in the unacorporated area. You're not far city. So you're in the ETD, the... So you would be assessed the same as yours would come down. It would come down a pretty good amount. But it also means too that it would reduce that tip and fee. Which would help the towns and those private vendors that come in. It's an offset. It's making sure that we are putting in place a solid waste fee that's equitable, and that all-input property owners are paying an equitable amount toward the operations and management of the solid waste department. But it also means that people that are in the unacorporated areas are not the only ones having to carry them away nor are the property companies that are at the town based on a higher of tipping fee. We're close. And I was just like, yeah, I mean, if you own a apartment complex, it's got 10 units. If you're the owner and you just got renters that are in those 10 units, you can figure out a way to charge them, they're 60 bucks or whatever it comes down to. But at the same time, you've got 10 units, you're going to be 600 dollars that you have to pay back to that. I think we're ready to run into a problem with trying to figure out how to separate out maybe hotels and motels but also the hospital. I don't think it makes sense for us to go through and count every band because if you live in the hospital you're counting rooms and beds and are you also doing in some of the respirator or the ER or the ED rain. I don't I think there's got to be a better way to do that. Possibly the same for motels and motels because they are never, we're not going to be at the Hunter City capacity. How do you figure that out in the grand equation of things? So I think there's going to be a separation out of what those are. But now trade of parks, mobile homes, same thing with the park complexes. Those are assumed to be habitable, most of the time, most of the time, so exactly right. You assess each one, then you don't want to see that impact housing as far as an increase in rent and lease amounts, but at the same time, at the end of the day, it's a medical amount when you divided that by 12 months. I have two comments. First, appreciate staying very informed throughout the last three months. Probably more so than you wanted to be honest. Well, some days. I mean, we've been very informed about the process that pretty much I feel like we probably all would have had a pretty close feeling of where we're going to have to land. So I feel good about it. Agreed. Second. Before I remember, and I leave his boat, I would love for us, and this is budget-related, to pass some type of governing regulation on what our maximum fun violence is we're going to keep. Because in my opinion, there is a point that we need to be paying down debt after we get above a certain percentage. So I would like to see that happens. As I've shared with you, I've shared the drafts for consideration, one being the presentation to explain and fully detail how fund balance works out operates. I don't know that, I mean, it's complex as you all know. There's a most two different buckets that you have that all follow within the ram of fund backs. But also to draft policy, we put out just for your review. You can go through that and see what your thoughts are. That any additional changes for that. One thing I will say, and I appreciate this is where having a very conservative and very complicated finance director has made a difference. She has us in the good place now recognizing that if we don't see a breaking inflation at least we know that we have that to cover some of those emergency expenses we have but also we just walk right now for this budget but it's ensure that we can balance that budget without having to put a disful pressure on tax figures. That's all I got for you. Quite a few things, but I see all these tabs over here and you may not answer those. That's Alan. Go ahead. Some of them are just going to be comments. Okay, so we'll say it that way. We'll do it three minutes for Alan. Yeah, we're just a timer. It's time. that way. We did three minutes time for that. Yeah, we're just talking. Go ahead. I'm already counting. Go ahead and spare me. Yeah, he's like, I can't get your job. That's a workshop. You're going to get your full It's like, I think this is going to be more of a comment than as I look through the budget and I try to make sure I go through and look at line out of line out of them when I go through the budget. I've been doing this since I've been here and I'll go through the market and you all give me a cheat sheet on capital stuff. So that really helps a lot and I appreciate that. I just want to let you know that. But some of these questions or comments may kind of lap over some of the capital things. And it may not. But like the first thing I had marked it again, I think this is more of a comment that, you know, the drug seizure funds, we don't put anything in it for because you don't know what you're going to get so you just do it after the fact. Right. There are budget amendments and any balances carried forward. Like $11. We're only close out of this school year so that those are used for restricted purposes. And there are state law that dictates where they can spend that on. I understand. I'm just commenting on it that it's in the budget as a zero line and that would be the reason behind it. You'll see a lot of those line on the set of these five is a conference that will be a negative number. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. They're servling in those. And now this right here is going to be more of getting into some allocations. So the contribution to the TDA or particularly the Forest City Hall of 3500, I know that was the firework. I guess this is me and maybe, and maybe all you all might agree, or disagree with this, but for me, I'd like to see maybe that couldn't happen shared amongst these other nonprofits that's on here. When I say that, I'm talking about the Union Mills Community Club, House of Mount Vernon Community Club, and the Beals Creek Community Club. And that's just a, you know, me looking at this, you know, we're going to give the, the 4CDA out $3,500 for fireworks. And then these other community organizations are, you know, I know they've asked, they, some of them's asked for some pretty good ask just to be honest with you. This, two things real quick if I may. So this request came because it's sort of a very special event that's related to baseball. My understanding is the county is participated in the past and supporting them since it does help to draw on tourism, as we know, and we know it in the country. It's for sales tax. But this is a one-time event that all of my people are aware of. It's the All Star game. So all 16 teams in the Costa plain league will have players here on average. There's seven to ten players per team. So it's the best of the best of the college kids. So this will be the firework celebration that not after the All Star game. And it's the kind of a unique thing this happened that is just outside of the realm of normal and what we do because we don't contribute to them as you know when our interface is not all nice as I've been here. Been a one-time thing it made sense and we sort of absolutely said that we would see if we could get support for that. Sorry, not commit the commissioners, just simply saying to them that right, this is something we can do. Because I think TDA's support have been pretty heavily on other aspects of this particular activity. This would be such a large event. Community clubs, certainly great that we have them, great that we have some that are active, which you know we've had a few that unfortunately have lost support and it closed down. The only thing there was simply because as nonprofits and community clubs, it's recognizing that they have the ability to do fundraising to cover some of the projects they want. It's a little difficult to support providing county funds to an entity that's given away a lot of monies from their own funds that they collect through their entities. You tell me about Vernon. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because I knew they they supported the fire department with other with donates. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Because the question is not my place to question your budget. why would you do that? But you're asking us for money. That's true. The farm museum have asked for, I know they don't always ask every year. And you know, I know it's been a while since they've actually asked pretty donations, but I know they were asking for full of thousands and they can elaborate a little bit on them. So, as you know, gentlemen. Mr. Bergen passed away. Passed away. And they've had some transition the last few years. They didn't get the applications in it last year. So this is recommended to go back to the level funding of $4,000 that have been there in past years. They lost funds from the county in the town for about $10,000 in total to pay utilities and operating costs and then the family that helps to operate it they pay the difference. Yeah I just knew it been and I can remember when we did it. I think the son or the brother, I'm trying to operate it, and they struggled to do that. They did ask for six, just so you know it with the budget, the town of Farsi provided four. So I had recognized that there's certainly a benefactor of this being right downtown far seen next to pops. We just matched what they requested. And then I know some of the and I'm probably going to be a little bit more broad on this. I know the workers comp, that's on several of these tabs, but you know I noticed I know we had issues with all of our kind of insurance going across the board and I do know that workers comp, but there's a few areas and I know of course it's directly related to pay and also your your experience rate but so the the ones that did go up significant amount was the reason the recalls of salaries or was it felt like an experience rate just salary is pretty in general so the most part of salaries the experience ratio is faster than when salaries have increased year-to-year. The way that it has. I just knew some of them were. And with public safety increases of the 10% and then 4% thereafter. The end, it was a lot to absorb. Yeah, I just noticed some of them were, I mean, big, I mean for, big numbers from year every year. And again, I knew we had, but that's something I think we've talked about every year sitting here. We've talked about the workers' comp. The decisions that always affects us on the fringe and the benefits of the signed clinical workers comp during health insurance and retirement, a special allocation for law enforcement. We've seen those steadily increase over the last two of the years. Surprisingly, the big one this year that increased probably on a percentage higher than the other is not necessarily a dollar, not the percentage of vehicle insurance. Yeah, nice, nice neck to the vehicle insurance when a person has got insurance. Insurance is one of the 17% overall as well as our property insurance with values just like with ReVal they come in every couple years and value the properties so our value of the county buildings have substantially increased and our vehicles where we used to replace the vehicle for 30,000 now it's fish in 38 to 40,000 so that's driving it we've worked diligently with the sheriff's office and other departments to try to have the same number of vehicles on the renewal as those come in off. So we've pulled about 20 to 25 vehicles that will be sold in the upcoming months so that we can keep that as neutral as we can with the renewal. I just noticed those were some pretty big numbers. I'm looking at this and I see one here that kind of sticks out and as you've detention, I see that number escalate pretty good. So what we see and that's significant of that number over the last several years when they raise the age raise the age yeah that has impacted us and also the top of person ones up to being there longer and we don't have a choice we basically get the bills after the fact we do send them to a regional JCPC person that Adrian Beckton March to approve and validate that they are county juveniles but unfortunately with raised to age and the bigger problems the children are having they wound up before it would be they were they are a three to four day stay until they got their evaluation then now I'm getting invoices where they've had a 15 day stay or 20 day stay. The ones that are there have been there for longer durations. Yeah, I can see that increasing. So what's the reason behind the longer stays? A more difficult person and they can't release them. So yeah, cause I mean these numbers were, and I knew raised age directly affect about how many years I'vely effective and then you'll have some years that are good to wear Yeah, no steady trend in that number. Yeah, you go and look at them and you look back, you know, and you have You know like we have an estimated number. I know you I know you estimated what it would be through the end of this budget cycle But you think about you estimate of 38,000 and then going into the next budget cycle, 60,000. That's a, that's a humc change just from, from year over year. And then you go back and look at the, the historical on what we spent, you know, in 21, we had 54, and that was probably the first year of raised your age, probably. I can't remember when it happened. That would have been right around that time, but I guess, I don't know, it's just that number I've seen that, and I'm like, wow, you know, I mean for me, that's, I mean, that's telling, you know, about just that increase right there. And then let's see. And I noticed something about, and maybe you can explain this one to me, this is from, it's page 75, it's the building revenue department courthouse, so I understand where that's at, but it liked janitorial, like the 75,000. What page do you want? 75. We didn't add the Indian janitorial for dollars or the courtroom because those projects were not anticipated. This is Raven Need Department. What page? 75. And that's the number, 75,000. We have some many in that building time for the moving whenever they go to their new locations and some renovations that one may be on the wrong line. It may need to be in 351 instead of 394. You got a backward thing. That's what it is because the repairs and maintenance is 28 feet. Okay. Because that building whenever I want. That would make sure that would make sure that you're renovated. Then they'll be relocated. So there was. Yeah, I need to be. Yeah, I need to be that clean the space vacated and to slightly renovate it for the new long term. Okay. Yeah, that makes a lot more serious to me when you look at it like that. Wow. I had to go to say $85.00. Oh, shredded. Oh, you're shredded. You're shredded for a gut expensive. Yeah. So I'm got expensive when it come to Gent, why me? Trace not in Gent, it's oil is. Okay, thank you for answering that one. One hundred, one hundred, seven to one pages, that's not bad. I'm not mean to that way, you know. I don't think you want eat what can happen up again. Again, the other one, this is like the old parks walk and trail professional services with 15,000 and that's page 95. I think Beckler meant was a standalone in here. The standalone in there was for some original donation money that for his upfiat and the impregnance would be on this. This is what this is. So this says our walk in trail. So that's what that is for. That's the redo. The redoing of the request. We've had a couple of projects looking at possible extension of the rail trail north also south and possibly even in the close side. So that's some of these professional services that we're talking about? I remember a conversation with us and Danny talking about one source that we had but we've taken that out. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. I remember a conversation with us and Danny talking about one source that we had but we've taken that out. Yeah. Yeah that is exactly what it is about, is that progress is to the need for professional service. There's no quote in hand. It's identifying in case that the producers themselves are especially important to the talking agenda if we're able to expand the road to that direction and participate in getting some professional services, but your thoughts will come in turn. It's just anticipate this. So this is just a marker for when we do need it. It's kind of like having to upset us out. But yeah, I'll spend it if we don't have to. And it's not going to cliff side. But in the RPF, we just did. It's going to L.L.A.R. Yeah, L.L.A.R. is what I keep here. That's the right way. The main route was through the South of the Cron. Now it's going to go to Elmer. The Cliffsside was a spur. Our trail and recreational enthusiasts would love this. The Cliffsside hit. Yeah. We just don't think it's plausible based on how that trail currently lays. The assumption is that there's some reversion. Probably going to require professional services like I forgot Richard's colleague, Jeff Bandini, and some of those, if they actually get a chance to look into it and see how much revered back, how much of this pool door, because what often none of it is in the protected pool door, or I could look in a half miles, but the sheer marketing case comes down to grass tax and we will not be spending the rest of the time. I know for the regional commission you know we're talking about the you know within you know for what they're looking at. I know they're looking at it for other places to do it in different rail trails but you know I lock it real chill. I mean it's an assay at you know expanding it would be a good thing. So I'm not saying it like yeah I just realized what's this exactly follower you have. I'm just curious what it was what it's gonna be there. Now here's the bachelor. Okay that's the bachelor debate. A lot of complaints about the signs fading and the, let's just call it a hold on the ground. Trying to give that something more aesthetic to pleasing since that's a little bit of a tourist destination that's had donors and folks in the past. I approach TDA about their funding to tourism paying for itself. And I think they did not have something to offer to that project. And so we hope to be able to make that something more functional. And not something that whether it's local people in history, because there's a kind of students that do their fulfill trips and whatnot and they walk up to this. All men are, I'm in there, yeah, understand. Yeah, I like, you know, a little bit lacking to say the least. Yeah, well, it's a go-mind. Yeah. Yeah, well it's a gold mine. Yeah. We go up and crawl down in there. They say there's a ring when you just sit in. Oh, let's go get some gold out of it. Let's go get some. We need it. Looking for that piece that was on the PBS special. I thought it was the most expensive, the seven pound piece that they used for the ocean. The seven pound piece of gold. Yeah. Seven pound piece of gold. Yeah. I think present. That's what we need seven pound piece of gold. That's probably a couple of years. I think I'm in any way. And now this is under under Sheriff. And again, some of these will probably be just comments but we're doing a new position for the juvenile and the courts that's correct and the shift differential for the for the night shift folks I know that's in here and that's a new line out of but I mean I mean I know about that. I just, like I think some of these for me are just comments, you know, just kind of, kind of, kind of laying them out. But one that I did say is emergency response supplies, 63 pounds. And you know, they estimated three, these years 158 what kind of emergency response items less must be in there he has some equipment equipment would that go into the new ambulances as well no this is under chair. No, wait, that's for the 13. Okay. Is there E-Mart long? Okay. And then I notice the frenzy supplies when they fall sick. That's their request. I would have to pull the detail of the budget to see what was on that I don't recall. What was in the act? Because he has about eight or ten different divisions that they budget for individually. The Chiefs here, do you recall? Some of the stuff that's for engines, they have two pickup drums we purchased this year's budget, this past year's budget, for the previous year's budget, not this budget. And we didn't, with a processing increase, we didn't have enough to quit those with a slide out train, split, that I was involved in, carried with the processing. Part of it is that with the destruction of evidence, I think they had some funds in there for that. The word, as four cases are disposed of, we can get destruction orders on that and instead of just continuing the file with that, we have to go to EPA certified in the seminar for most of the folks who want us to ask them and post the chat and then we'll be in in Charlotte the more than that. Yeah. And there's pretty costly to use those in some ways. They're short about time and some additional equipment. I just noticed a big, you know, big increase. But when you're telling me you purchased, you know, vehicles, lifetime and you're up, on this time it kind of makes make the right thing. Yeah okay. I mean that helps me not just being a lot. And I noticed maybe you can answer this one better. What's the long one was I? It's on page 115. 43,000, 42,000, 60,000, dash 11. So 115, 260,000, that's the few remember from the notes that I gave you on request additional furniture evidence to suppose a destruction to new shelving units and also the equipped two trucks with trays and bed covers and it's a chief mentioned to transport evidence, because we didn't have those trucks equipped for that. The bigger issue is the need for what they had, but the price ticket. So I had a list. I just split it out over two budget cycle versus one. And what you're saying, because they've got the truck placed and then kind of up it on this one. Well, that's one piece of the multitude of those things I had described. It's not one unit that's causing that cost to be higher than... Yeah, it's multiple units, I understand that. And it's multiple planes that's going on right there, too. But that hit was made to understand more of I'm going on right there. But that hit was made understandable and what's going on. And I noticed the telephone budget line out and went up. We moved the cell phones that previously were in communications to the sheriff's budget since they're no longer in under the same. Okay, yeah, because I noticed some other ones going down. I mentioned that I think about one budget that's shipping them over to the sheriff's office group. And the other one. And now I did notice this in here where the the SRO salary went down is that because of the reduction in SRO salaries went down? Is that because of the reduction in SROs or? That funds 11 or 12 SROs and then there was a request for new positions for the other six that are not fully funded. That number would go up. If school system based on the appropriation of the provide this year or if they get grant funds one offsets the other we just had the base number in there. Okay. The clarification of the school system they actually contract with the LEOs for the service. We don. We don't do the contract. We don't do the contract. Well, that's kind of a local appropriation. Mine is one of the grants. And I know it's true. This is communications that goes back to that same shift differential. I just want to make, you know, a lot of slaves. For me, some of this is just comments, you know, about going to shift differential for them because you know We start off at the M.S. because that's that's the norm process state We try to roll in some of those other emergency service areas as well because it seems fair That's why not these gentlemen and ladies That not shift is much more difficult to recruit retain So that'll put it in place there as well as You must say this is the the crisis intervention So that's money in money out of the SS Lot of that it doesn't really matter Those we we they try to do a projection based on state estimates You'll see that in some of those other categories as well, but then of the day It's not an additional expense on the county. It's if we get $400,000 We see400,000, we're going to spend $400,000. If they tell us it's only going to be three, then we'll go ahead budget three. Four times a nod ends up getting more, because we go through a lot, some county don't expend all. Sometimes we'll get additional dollars through, like the Cross-Interventioner, EAA, or lower community assistance program, then Paul will come back and do a bunch of amendments or you just feel an increase for that particular line on a based on additional funds coming into something else. They also had to increase payments during our debt. That's kind of a liking. That's a interest. And I'm interested. Now, in our, this is like state foster care temporary shelter care. I know, and I guess for me, you know, I see the, and I know it's the same thing, kind of the same way what you're talking about. I know our foster care program, we need more foster parents. I do know that. That's not a secret. I think everybody knows that. There's funding for those individuals to come in to the foster care program. I know that. And here's the same way, correct, you know, state. It's not 100% funded. It's a little bit different. It depends on the code. It's sometimes it's 75% 80% depends on top situation. I guess we're mostly back coding. The challenge for us is that it doesn't matter to the percentage when if you're having to transport a lot of children out of the county When we take children out of the county those rates it's cost is more especially that go out of state. It's only place It's more a problem with children have especially major high needs And don't put me on this exactly, but I do believe they they modified the foster program where distant relatives can do that. Yes, we have ship payments now that's in the room. It's a lot out of my foster care as well as there are fewer providers. And we've also, I want to think she's there up about 50 keys. I've been here for a prior year that's in foster care. I say it. You know, with the kidships made a big difference. So I'd say I think for me it was more of a comment on it because when you look at the numbers, they really fluctuate. And they fluctuate a lot. If you look through it and see they're kind of up and down. And again, the vehicle insurance I had that and that Southern Landfield that we had, I know there was another pretty good budget allocation for that one with the Southern land field. What's going on with it right now? There's required monitoring and professional services like well monitoring and things. So James Kilgone provides us the estimates into those ones accordingly. Okay, and he a little heavy this time is what? Glinnostin the past, you know that numbers not being 22,000 was the highest in this year were budgeted in 48 So this So DQs or diners increased their requirements is why That was your say or diners increase their requirements. Is why? Is that what you're saying? The thing was close to why I'm told is they never go away. I understand. The cost we haven't continued to have the gas monitoring was as well as the water monitoring was. Then yeah, occasionally they'll come out and the one good news, I guess the old would come and be over, they call it off of the other period road off the cliffs out there. They came in and remediated that one. They call it off of the other period road off the cliff. They came in and remediated that one. So we should be in good shape for that one for a while. I think it's the other one. Yeah, I think it's the shooting range is. Okay. Because just even in that bottom down there, on the other side of the road, I think there's a little, I believe it as well, there as well. Okay. That has me to understand that one, because I just seen that big increase on that one on the land field. If the owner is involved in, I guess I understand. Don't make me feel any better, but yeah. Well, you saw the clothes that we had to go through, and how much we spent. Oh, I remember these cells. You know what the scary part is is when the landfill can only have on low and low and low and low. Which is end of life. The next series will have to be a line landfill. We're talking about the dollar. It's so we open. Right now these are grandfathered in. Still a lot of heaven and the other thing to do, but we're not required to line them. Yeah, I remember us talking up to me years ago about a new land deal, and it was just a prized way. We've gotten quite a bit of capacity there for a long time. One thing that helps us, the cost of shipping it out is still far greater cheaper than having our own. Been buried in the waste. That'll definitely be the case once we get to a point where we're having the line. We're going to get to shape right now. I guess that's the majority of my questions I had. As we're like, well, Greg, made the comments. You've seen us a rolling list. I read that thing on many times, they've been letting it absorb everything, but I say that list numerous times and you kept us informed on what was going on and the issues, I guess it's a good way to put it and I know you put long hours in I know I'll put on my ears in and Some of the other folks in finance other departments. I know they they did and You know, I'm sure I'm sure Richard was in our way beyond some of that stuff You know Danny it just you know I Know for the county that inflation affects county government also. And when things go up, we pay more for it. Whether it's fuel, whether it's materials, whatever it might be. Just like we're talking about the landfill, you know, it's interprosperons, it has to be self-sufficient. You know, we went and last and one day of our convenience centers to be able, which I'd love to see us to be able to bring that back before we could have that other day. But you know, I look at these numbers, not continuing to see, you know, that availability theme, I guess is a good word for me to use for, go up and just because we're having to continually absorb these calls of inflation and our carriers, you know, charge us more and what it calls to recycle calls to us more. Why it is, I know that's the issue, tires is the issue. You know, there's a lot of things going on with electronics. We've come in on electronics numerous times how that fee for us keeps going up. But the fuel has been painful. That's been a 6.6% increase just in the last couple of months. Continuing to sustain. One thing I thought was incredibly eye opening was seeing the digital inflation has been 18, increased 18 percent and has stayed there the last three, four years. You know, it's an inflation but it feels like we're doing a recession based budget, not an inflation based budget. Yeah, that's true. based budget, not inflation based budget. Straight. Thank you for your hard work. If you have any more tabs. I see. Good, good. The tabs pretty well. Went over three minutes by a lot. Basically, let me give you my best allocation for the next year. I'm going to help. Great. Well, again, I'll go back to Mr. Tony's question. We're here to make changes as you all need appropriate. There's a consensus about your instructions for us to do that. This was a difficult budget. We thought we're going to have to kind of the tax rate increase. We're going to have to cut out a bunch of apartment areas. This worked out better than we thought. We tried to present a budget that we knew that the thing is that each of you saw was based on the prior budget meetings. And you see, it's too deep important, critical, which is really everything. But trying to find those finite areas and where, like the Mr. Tony questions, it come up so that we may go ahead and address it proactively before we even have this budget meeting. So I hope we've done that. But again, if we need to make changes, we're glad to do that. Chair. Well, first of all, I would like to thank you and your team, our team, for their hard work. I also like to thank these board of commissioners. You know, there are things such as the fund balance policy that we will all talk one on one and communicate it. We have it formally presented that, you know, for consideration, but we know that's coming. And, you know, that kind of communication is very important when you have a government board like this. So I'd also appreciate the, we were very excited of the information we were provided through the budget process and it was almost daily messages about, you know, each department that was met with what the strengths were, what the weaknesses were, what concerns were, what the challenges are of maintaining, providing those services at a rate that our citizens can afford the property taxpayers. The COLA was pleased to see that we were able to provide our staff and employees with things of 4% COLA and Cresa. I'm wondering with the economy will we have to be able to we need to be ready to looking at that next year again or Well, you think four of single We don't know We were traditional employees particularly We were talking about investments in our community. We are we are investing again this year in the bat bat program I think last year we did $10,000 in the $10,000 this year the we have a we'll be doing Ground breaking or ribbed padding I believe pretty soon on the new software complex We should order citizens been asked for a long time. That's a joint venture between us and our other partners, including Forest City and TDAs helping. Thanks. I will be joining the School of War for the transfer taste and services as well. Have a chance to tour about for those. I look great. Well, the Forest City are in the soccer complex. We will be providing some funding mutual funding for fourth city on that is that in this budget is going to be the next next year. On the debt service line, I think is a fun 29 or the month of funds. So as we're seeing this, fun 29 strength in that that's restricted totally just for educational purposes, which is our public school and college. In fun, 29 it's full county and water sewer and economic development purposes. Okay, so that's where those values are. And right now we're in the discussion are we're working with, I think, our team with the Sheriff's Office on the investment of $2 million per receive from the state and allocation. And part of the conversation that I think we've had individually together with Sharon Allen-Berg and some of his team members was the evidence storage facility and a professional law enforcement center. If that, if that happens to come up in the future, could we use the $29 monies for that or another source or? Potentially those or some of the ARCA enabled money. Okay. I know we're not there, but I just know that bringing those credentialed employees in the middle of the- The $10 million that the office has to be used on a detention facility. Right. The $10 million will be on rule, but part of that is increasing the... I'm 30,000 feet up. I'm not in the details, but we're going to reallocate some of the space that's currently office for use for medical treatments and for their... And so then you would have an opportunity. And also the evidence storage areas has been a bit of concern. Has been a little bit. But if there's an opportunity for evidence building a professional law enforcement center where we can instead of having those employees scattered, because I think the sheriff mentioned to me that it's, it would be more effective, I guess, and for the team to be together. Now that they're not effective, no, I don't, I'm not saying that at all, but because of what we've had at this waste band. But when you mentioned that, fun 29 on that slide, I thought about that, get that opportunity presents itself with that being available. Okay. On the first slide, you get 26% of the pie, you know, we had 29, almost 30% towards public safety, they made education. Did that education portion, does that include the debt service we're paying now? Was it just the... Not on that slide. In the budget message? Yes. We put both pie charts in your... The first one in the budget message does not include it the second one includes the sales tax allocations to They just four bags agencies 20% is visible. We're just Looking on page six the actual appropriation including sales tax on debt service with the sales tax appropriation for the service and college That pulled education up to 32 point. I have one last on 30. It's 0.23. That's service. Okay. Well, personally, as one of the five commissioners have been hearing in special last year of our property taxpayers or you know, they're taking it on the chin with the inflation and everything. And so to be able to present a budget that does not have a tax increase. I think it's beneficial and I'm really good at that. And I wanna thank you all for that. Thank you. Thank you. One more thing I'll say quickly. Just again, I'll mention about looking at the two formula areas. Pauli has done an initial assessment of looking at per capita and still have a lower, that's something we're in continuing to monitor, going to year. The downside is that once we ask you to do it, you want to do it in April or each year, but it won't be enacted till the following July. So you've got a year and a couple of months before you actually see that going to play. So there's some risk there. It could be that the ad lorem continues to be favorable. We need a little more time to watch that but it made me that we come back to you for that consideration because right now the way the Thornley area is not to pick on fire city but having raised their tax rate 45 cents and two budget cycles and maintain it there without going to produce their tax rate, 45 cents and two budget cycles, and they maintain it there with that one reduced their tax rate. That's pulling the largest amount of line share of what we're generally are used to bringing back yen for our sales tax. That again the fire departments are pulling up. Grader shares well because they also did not reduce their tax rates. In fact, one of the two that reduced their last time, one of them is asking if you notice in your budget information or asking to go back up to the prior rate they had established before. Commissioner, do you have any other questions regarding the budget message from McKanley-Manager? Commissioner, we are set on our schedule to have a meeting on budget workshop Tuesday and Wednesday. Do you still want to continue to have those meetings or are you excited to have this meeting tonight? I'm excited. I'm excited to have it. Thank you, Commissioner. We'll be prepared to end for the budget hearing. Go ahead and get the OO. That's strapped and have that period of view. Of course, it doesn't prevent you from making the additional changes. I'm excited to have it. I Thank you, Commissioner. We'll be prepared, Jim, for the budget hearing. Go ahead and get the OONET strap and have that period of view. Of course, it doesn't prevent you from making the additional changes as you see fit. But we'll go ahead and prepare the budget as is to have it presented for you for the budget hearing at the Jim commission meeting. Thanks. So, this seems to be a way of, since we do have consensus among the board, I will ask Hazel to make an announcement that we are not having the budget workshop Tuesday Wednesday of this week as originally announced. Tuesday, Thursday, I'm sorry. I've been traveling. I just came out vacation, so I'm still there different times. I'm lost. I need to thank you for that. All right, great. Well, at this time, if you realize that we have a closed session item, and so I'd like to go into closed session for industrial location, expansion, NCT, S14331811. This is going to be with our county manager, county attorney, or clerk, or else my guest for the EDC with us as well as close the EDC. So look for a motion to go to closed session. So, second and second, you need discussion here and I'll call a question on favoriter on hand, you put his line on. If we go to the same room either, they have it in the room. Thank you. Thank you.