Great. Good afternoon. I call this meeting to order. The first item is agenda approval. What's the will of work? No, it's the proof. I got motion. Second, need a discussion. Turn down the call question. I don't pay a radio right hand. You have both light wise. The agenda has been approved. Please tell me. We actually have two items under agenda. One is the budget workshop for the, we actually have two items under agenda. One is the budget workshop for the evening. And the other is a closed session item. Very distal location under NCGS 1433181184. The budget workshop is a workshop among the board of commissioners. We will not be taking questions or having comments from the our guests are out here in the audience. But it is for the Board itself. So for clarification. And with that I will start with the first item which is this is 3779 budget workshop. But we'll ask the County manager if he was a little preview review. I guess a preamble That will open up to the board to see if they need any first clarification or any other information guarding the budget That was made by the county manager and so Mr. Harrison thank you sir Our IT director is Johnny on the spot. I wouldn't think about the presentation, but thank you, Jay. Just to apologize, Danny Cersei generally comes to these. He's getting ready to hopefully have some family time away for the next four days. And James Kilgo, I don't remember for solid waste. And IT with Jay being with us. I T. with Jagdian was usually some of the ones that are our keys to working through the budget process. Of course, you're a fighter instructor, partner, and an adabra. Connor also is spending some kind of grandchildren. I hope we will as well. Danny's on his way. Oh, is he? Okay. I wouldn't sure if he could put his schedule. It was coming from here. So just kind of summarize. I'll do so briefly just to remind her we landed at 80 million 826,507 for the old room for the total general budget and total budget for all funds. So as a reminder that includes you were fired at departments and other funds that passed through. So that said 107, 510,000. Overall, for the operating budget, it's 4.283% increase in recurrent physical year budget. I think the percentage increase for all budgets was 5.16. And Paul, you just kept it incorrect. If I'm start slipping here, we did not ask for an attack increase. We asked you to maintain that same number, 45.4, which as you're a reminder, that's 14 cents less than four work two years ago. So we have reduced it that much. We're maintaining that. And right now looking at in order to make this budget work, we're at two million, four hundred, three, one thousand, three hundred, three hundred, three hundred, three hundred, nine dollars fund balance that we would recommend appropriate to the budget to balance. 4% cost of living adjustment. That's pretty much the standard we're seeing all across the state. Our local towns are a little less than that, some are three and a half half three and a quarter of three Another county and around us that we've been on compete with for a lot of our positions Like 4% I've even heard possibly higher So we're continuing to watch that Because you know especially on the public safety emergency services side that seems to be the biggest areas where we're filling that pressure building inspections DSS some of those key areas are the things that seem to be putting the most pressure on this for consideration of 4% request. Continuing inflation supply chain, I won't belabor that. It's just incredible when you look at some of the reports we've been reading at this level of continued inflation and we're also seeing it's sustained with almost going on through a year now. That's what's driving our operational expense because as the County government, we're really honestly it's not growing that much. Outside of Medicaid expansion, it caused quite a bit of increase to the budget. But again, that's a good portion. That's federally funded or through the state for those funds to support that. It does cause an increase to the overall budget. Again, talking about wage competition with the local and regional public and also in some positions, profit sector. And then of course, the significant decrease in sales tax. Touch on that real quick. The two big areas that concern us about sales tax is that we know that first of all that the number appears to be plateauing, Paula I think has really theorized accurately that part of what's, what we think's happened. We've had three years of arp dollars before that coronavirus dollars and it seems like that as these funds continue which is great means we're applying funds toward critical projects but statewide as those money started getting depleted, we were starting to see the sales taxes weren't normalized now. The other issue for us, it's causing a reduction is the municipalities and fire departments. They're taking a larger portion of share of our sales tax dollars. Fire departments, as you know a lot of of them and I'm not being critical fire departments I know there's a need there especially For them because they're having to look now toward Bringing full-time staff on rather than just volunteers because the volunteer pool is Not there so I get it, but it is pulling some from our sales tax Preparation I think the county at one point, based on the ad rule, we have two formers you can use per capita ad rule. We use the ad rule model. I think we were like at 80 to 83%, 84% at one point of $1.00 of those dollars now. Now we're down closer to $7.00 to $6.00. And potentially, you see that reduce even down to $7.00 before we landed. That's scary, because those are dollars that we depend on for subcommitting the advalorab taxes, we didn't get any other revenues. But also, that's a key amount of funds that we use for trying to ensure that we are funding the school system education that we use. Talked pretty heavily about the need to ensure for staffing though that we are providing competitive wages, one factor of that being that we have some of these positions. We spend a lot of money for them over time. Building inspections was an example I gave you, because with building inspections, you end up needing to get a different level of certification, multiple levels of certification on the building code inspection that takes years. And then you have additional requirements under the fire code. So that takes years as well. We estimate that one point I just ran it off around $15,000. We're spending on each building inspector. So it's important. And the same thing that we've been working on all enforcement is same for our EMS people, the DSS social workers, the economic services and and commandist case workers. We have a lot of positions that they go through a lot of classes to get certifications and it's an investment. If we're true to that investment, then we need to make sure that we are fully investing from that perspective based on our coal increase. So preliminary numbers just came up to a figure of about 90 million. That would fund everything we received, not only from all departments and offices, but from school system of college. We can do that, but it would require you to raise a tax rate from 45.4 to 5.07.02. So that would be an increase of tax rate of 11.62. All right. Just a real quick reminder, public safety education, the MSR, just showing you general parts of the pie, where those funds are going. Public safety is taking the largest share right now. That's going to include Sheriff's Office, EMS, emergency management. But also some things that fall into that category, such as animal control and that lead policy and building inspections, all fall within what we define as public safety. So there's a lot of different departments and offices that are covered under that. But that's where we're seeing the greatest investment of $100.26% education, human services, 23, and a general government and other services that's coming in at 14% of the product. Just to keep taking away it real quick, the budget. We designed this around the idea of trying to address continued inflation, operations and management costs, increase the supply chain issues. Danny and Jay and Paula continue that better than anyone in the room. The pressures we continue to see that we're under for that. Focus on recruitment and intent retention. We're trying to get employees not to live in ways, but to a thriving wage. Insurance quality service delivered across all departments. And that's ESET. We have 24, 25 different department offices that are served directly by our budget, over 700 employees. So to try to balance that out, to ensure that we can do that one goal is pretty critical for us. But it does require that balancing of the funds to do so. And again, no tax rate increase. Real quick, college, we recommended three million, 26,700 feet five, and capital outweigh, 700,000 dollars. Looking at the school system, 17,000, 17 million, 365,689, capital operations, one million dollars. And just wanted to make sure I won't go over that slot again just showing you where that service is right now that we have. The good news is that that number's been coming down and down and down as we continue to just try to pay off some of the best service we've had specifically some of the schools. We've had some of the schools to drop off for the last few years. It's great to see that number coming down but it also does help enhance our capacity if we do have big projects that come up at some point in the future. But again, it's one of the solid waste enterprise we did see it I need. Again, for all the same reasons, we're still seeing that the reduction in some of the fees we used to count on for quite good, recyclable material, tires. A lot of the fees that we would get, there's continually seem to be reducing that economic base seems to continue to road. But also to see the companies we work with, ship our trash off from the transfer station as well as even recycling as y'all know, we've taken a hit with that. One point where never making profit but it was a very minimal amount of expenditure to cover the cost for shipping off his cycling, but the y'all know from about 30 years ago the Chinese market stopped accepting USA based recycling and that kind of put a big hit on the market here. So now we're selling quite a bit of a tax shift overall. Those CPIs, consumer prices and excess not yet. The CIO numbers, whatever that cost inflation, we built into our contracts, 4% by 5% whatever that is. We're still being impacted by that. As you all know, the one I think is republic, for two years or a row, we've kind of been hit mid-year because there's still continued to fill the pressure for them to operate function with their subcontract or subventors, and their company's as well. So it is continuing to cause us more and more more just off of the basis, as we have. Pleasure. You'll see those increases solid waste, the household fee, that's a 153 to 160. The SWHV SWW solid waste, I forgot what that says. I'm staying at the end. I'm staying. RAP increased from 813, but in the SWE, 10 tipping fee, 70, 47, 6, 63 to 66 on the CNB, and then you are twice tipping fee increased from 40 to 45. You know, and that's a real quick summary. I'm glad to respond to any questions you have. We can go through any aspect of the budget that you'd like to. Any particular questions about budget items, or we're glad to go through that you'd like to. Any particular questions about budget items? We're glad to go through that with you as well. We didn't want to mention on the nonprofit funding. We kind of kept that held for the same entities. We had a few new ones that came across. We tried to maintain what we were funding for, the current nonprofits and center organizations were funding now. I did want to say for full transparency, one of the new ones we added, this was in cooperation with TDA, that's for the school system, has been working with them to move it to the old banner on the RS Central Campus, which is a great, perfect space for them. And so to do that, they're gonna need to spend about $100,000 of renovations making the hand to cap accessible. And so they have been successful in pulling down funds from a variety of resources, including TDA, our match toward TDA, the submitted budget of question is 15,000. So that's the one new, and I didn't want to make sure that you solved that was in there. And we're making a sizable contribution to kit census as they continue to try to get the factory up in order as well, I think that was 15, 25, 25,000. So they're shooting for a goal of, you may know, better than I, 700,000 left remaining the ceiling and really shout that building. Yeah, I'm not on the board out. I'm just from the goal tournament. There you go. So that's exciting news as well. Any questions? Anything y'all would like to come? I still got a question on solid waste stuff. And I understand the concept of the fact that it is an enterprise system and asks it for itself. But there's still a time that I think it's unfair in the fact that every family in the county that owns a house or whatever lives in the house or whatever does not pay that $153 that if you live out in the county you pay. Every one of the municipalities, if you live inside a the county you pay. Every one of the municipalities, if you live inside a municipality, you don't pay it. And I just think that's unfair because they can still go out and use the convenience centers at any time they want it. They can come use the landfill anytime they want it. But us, the out there in the county, we're the one stuck paying that one in 53. If everybody in the county that owned a house or whatever had the pay, that 153 would drop down to maybe 60 bucks and everybody would pay and it would still run its fail. And I know that's just a... No, I'm staying in the fuel. Let me, I think I'm glad you brought it up, cousin. It's almost laughable because every year we talk through the scenarios. We work our fingers to the bone, our minds, where they're now trying to get to a clear understanding of the interpretation of the rules and laws of government, solid waste management. I don't know how many times we've read through Carmelonzie's different school of government coast-candidate blogs. There's been times when we've kind of looked at this green school, government, coast, candiblogs. There's been times we kind of looked at and disagreed a little, but that's okay. School government, they're very resource, nothing personal. But there's been times when our interpretation might not have been as aligned with that. This year, we went through the process again, and we got really close. I appreciate Paula Richard, James Kilgo and Richard Lawson. We engaged and engaged in Randall, Connoqueries and Reports. I think the biggest challenge we have, it's not so much now executing it, it's the time we need for the tax office staff to make sure they are clearly identifying doors. Those qualifying doors, businesses, ones that we would assess, one fee that goes across all the county for improved properties. We went through a whole litany of definitions and make sure that we were clear what they meant, what they could do, what they could do. We're more comfortable now than we've ever been. Appreciate Richard and all the his involvement this time around, just simply because he's kind of added value to or taking away value from an idea of how to be with that fool. I think right now what we're at is it just came down to not enough time to fix everything that need to be fixed because you have to go in and those parcels. Some can be pulled in automatically that would be the ones identified to get this one fee. Others would not. It would require staff having to go and touch every one of those parcels hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of parcels. And unless we could figure out another way to identify those homes. The thing that was interesting this year, the Recycle fee we have kind of hasn't set up and established, but it's a little more broad than what we would need in order to do this one fee that we will cross the board. Because I think for us what we're landing at and a lot of counties do it that way, they charge all citizens or improved property owners in the county than one fee because it's about maintenance of the solid waste department, not how much waste you deposit, not even whether you live in a town or not. So we feel like that needs to be corrected, but at the end of the day it takes time. And I think right now where I've left with them is, well, let's start on it in late summer fall. That way, when you get to this time next year, we'll be ready to make sure you've identified all this properties, because the challenge you have is, and some, is that, let's say, like a staff member here, when you talk about this, they own three portions or contingents. One has a pretty property. One has a garage. One is just an open fill. So how do you charge that? The system of getting it to identify those are pretty properties that are habitable, are a business or a commercial industrial. That's the part that's taking time. So I say all that to say that, I just wanted you to know the complexity of what we'll work on there 30 get to this point. I feel more comfortable now that we can do it, but it will require them time to go through the database system and compare that with what James has as far as his information that he can identify those properties that would be assessed for that fee. Now, the good thing about that, the one thing we like to bet is if you do that, then it reduces that fee for everybody. So right now for posing 160 dollars for Mr. Benfield, who lives in the unacorporated area, you're not far city. So you're in the ETJ event. The... The ET-4M. So you would be assessed the same as yours would come down. It would come down a pretty good amount. But it also means too that it would reduce that tip and fee. Which would help the towns and those private vendors that come in. It's an offset. It's making sure that we are putting in place a solid waste fee that's equitable, and that all-in-pro approved property owners are paying an equitable amount toward the operations and management of the solid waste department. But it also means that people that are in the unacorporated areas are not the only ones having to carry them away nor are the property companies that are in the town based on the higher tier. And I was just like, yeah, I mean, if you own a apartment complex, it's got 10 units. If you're the owner and you just got renters that are in those 10 units, you can figure out a way to charge them, they're 60 bucks or whatever it comes down to. But at the same time, you've got 10 units, you're going to be 600 dollars that you have to pay back to that. I think we're ready to a problem with trying to figure out how to separate out maybe hotels and motels but also the hospital. I don't think it makes sense for us to go through and count every band because if you live in the hospital you're counting rooms and beds and are you also doing in some of the respirator or the ER or the ED range. I don't I think there's got to be a better way to do that. Possibly the same for motels and motels because they are never, we're not going to be at the Hunter City capacity. How do you figure that out with the grand equation of things? So I think there's going to be a separation out of what those are. But now trade of parks, mobile homes, same thing with the department complexes. Those are assumed to be habitable, most of the time. So exactly right. You assess each one, then you don't want to see that impact housing as far as an increase in rent and lease amounts, but at the same time, at the end of the day, it's a medical amount when you divide divided out by 12 months. I have two comments. First, appreciate staying very informed throughout the last three months. Probably more so than you wanted to be on, sorry. For some days, I didn't get it. Now maybe we've been very informed about the process that pretty much, I feel like we've been very informed about the process that pretty much I feel like we probably all would have had a pretty close feeling of where we're going to have to land. So I feel good about it. Agreed. Second. Before I remember, and I leave his boat, I would love for us, and this is budget-related, to pass some type of governing regulation on what our maximum fund biolincy is we're going to keep. Because in my opinion, there is a point that we need to be paying down debt after we get above a certain percentage. So I would like to see that happens. As I've shared with you, I've shared the drafts for consideration, one being the presentation to explain and fully detail how fund balance works out operates. I don't know that, I mean, it's complex as you all know. There's a most clear difference, buckets that you have that all follow within the Rammer Fund behind us. But also to the draft policy, we put out just for your review. You can go through that and see what your thoughts are. That any additional changes for that. One thing I will say and I appreciate this is where having a very conservative and very complicated finance director has made a difference. She has us in the good place now recognizing that if we don't see a break in inflation at least we know that we have that to cover some of those emergency expenses we have but also we just walk right now for this budget but it's ensure that we can balance that budget without having to put a different pressure on tax figures. That's all I got to do. Quite a few things, but I see all these tabs over here and you may answer those. That's Alan. Go ahead. Some of them are just going to be comments. Okay. So we'll say it that way. We'll do it three minutes. Time for hands. Yeah, we're just a timer. It's time for hands. I'll do that. Yeah, we're just talking about it. It's time for that. Go ahead, I'm already counting on him. Go ahead and spare me, talk to him. I'm going to just chase him. Okay, he's like, I can't get your jobs loaded. That's a workshop. You're going to get your people to call me. It's like I think this is going to be more of a comment than you know as I look through the budget and I try to make sure I go through and look at kind of like line out of line out of them when I go through the budget. I've been doing this since I've been here and I'll go through the market and you all give me a cheat sheet on capital stuff so you know that really helps a lot and I appreciate that. I just want to let you know that. But some of these questions or comments may kind of lap over some of the capital things. And it may not. But like the first thing I had marked it again, I think this is more of a comment that, you know, the drug seizure funds, we don't put anything in it for because you don't know what you're going to get so you just do it after the fires. There are budget amendments and any balances carried forward. Like $11.00. Well, we close out with this school year so that those are used for restricted purposes. And there's state law that dictates where they can spend that on. I understand. I'm just commenting on it that, you know, it's in the budget as a zero line and that would be the reason behind it. And you'll see a lot of those line-on-its here that be spotted as a conference and they will be a negative number? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. They're servling in those. And now, now this right here is going to be more of getting into some allocations. So the contribution to the TDA or particularly the Forest City House of 3500, and I know that was the firework. Thank you. I forgot that I'm going to talk about non-profits. But I guess, and this is me and maybe all you all might agree or disagree with this, but you know, for me, I'd like to see maybe that cut in half and share it amongst these other nonprofits that's on here. When I say that, I'm talking about the Union Mills Community Club House, the Mount Vernon Community Club and the Bill's Creek Community Club. And that's just the, you know, me looking at this, you know, we're going to give the, the 4 CDL, $3,500 for fireworks. And then these other community organizations are, you know, I know they've asked, they, some of them have asked for some pretty good ask just to be honest with you. This, two things real quick if I may. So this request came because it's sort of a very special event related to baseball. Modgesting against the counties participated in the past and supporting them since it does help to draw on tourism, as we know, and we know it can treat us for sales times. But this is a one-time event that all of my people realize is so cute. It's the All Star game. So all 16 teams in the Coastal plain link will have players here on average. There's seven to ten players per team, so it's the best of the best of the college kids. So this will be the firework celebration that not after the All Star game. And it's the kind of a unique thing that's happening that is just outside of the abnormal moment what we do because we don't contribute to them as you know or databases. And none of the all methods I've been here, been a one-time thing it made sense and we sort of absolutely said that we would see if we could get support for that. Sorry, not to commit to the commission or she's simply saying to them, but all right, this is something we can do. Because I think TDA's supportive and pretty heavily on other aspects of this particular NATT, this would be such a large event. Community clubs, certainly great that we have them, great that we have some that are active, which you know we've had a few that unfortunately have lost support and they close down. The only thing there was simply because as nonprofits and community clubs, it's recognizing that they have the ability to do fundraising to cover some of the projects they want. It's a little difficult to support providing county funds to an entity that's given away a lot of monies from their own funds that they collect to other entities. You tell my about Vernon? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because I knew they supported the fire department with other entities. With Donate. Yes, me. Yeah. Okay. Because the question is not my place to question or budget, but why would you do that? But you're asking us for money. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, okay. Because the question is not my place to question your budget, but why would you do that? But you're asking us for money. That's true. The farm museum have asked for, I know they don't always ask every year, and you know, they spent a while since they've actually asked for any donations, but I know they were asking for $4,000 and they can elaborate a little bit on them. So as you know, gentlemen. Mr. Bergen passed away. He passed away. And they've had some transition the last few years. They didn't get the applications in it last year. So this is recommended to go back to the level funding of $4,000 that have been there in past years. They lost funds from the county and the town for about $10,000 in total to pay utilities and operating costs and then the family that helps to operate it they pay the difference. Yeah I just knew it been and I could remember when we did. I think the son or the brother, we tried to operate it, and they struggled to do that. They did ask for six, just so you know, with the budget, the town of Farsi provided four. So I'd recognize that they're certainly a bit of factor of this being right downtown far seen next to Pops. We just matched what their question. And then I know some of the and I'm probably going to be a little bit more broad on this. I know the workers comp, that's on several of these tabs, but you know I noticed I know we had issues with all of our kind of insurance going across the board and I do know that workers comp, but there's a few areas and I know of course it's directly related to pay and also your your experience rate but so the the ones that did go up significant amount was the reason the recalls of salaries or was it felt like experience rate just salaries period in general the most part of salaries the experience ratio is faster than when salaries have increased year-to-year the way that it has. I just knew some of them were. And with public safety increases at the 10% and then 4% thereafter, the end, it was a lot to absorb. Yeah, I just noticed some of them were, I mean, big, I mean from me big numbers, from year-to-year, and again I knew we had, but that's big numbers, from year every year. And again, I knew we had, but that's something that we've talked about every year sitting here. We've talked about the workers' comp. The citizens that always affects us on the trends and the benefits, signed clinical workers comp, generally health insurance and retirement, a special allocation for law enforcement. We've seen those steadily increase over the last two of the years. Surprisingly, the big one this year that increased probably on a percentage higher than the other is not necessarily a dollar, not the percentage of vehicle insurance. Yeah, nice, nice that too. The vehicle insurance went up. Pretty cool. Insurance is one of 17% overall as well as our property insurance. With values, just like with ReVal they come in a couple years and value the properties so our value of the county buildings have substantially increased and our vehicles where we used to replace the vehicle for 30,000 now it's Pish in 38 40,000 so that's driving it we've worked diligently with the Sheriff's Office and other departments to try to have the same number of vehicles on the renewal as those come in off. So we pulled about 20 to 25 vehicles that will be sold in the upcoming months so that we can keep that as neutral as we can with the renewal. I just noticed that there were some pretty big numbers. I'm looking at this and I see one here that kind of sticks out and as you've detention, I see that number escalate pretty good. So we see that snippet over that. But over the last several years when they raised the age raise the age That has impacted us and also the Top of person winds up just being there longer And we don't have a choice we basically get the bills after the fact We do send them to a regional JCPC person that Adrian Beckton March To approve and validate that they are county juveniles but unfortunately with raised to age and the bigger problems the children are having they wound up before it would be they were they are a three to four day stay until they got their evaluation then now I'm getting invoices where they've had a 15 day stay or 20 day stay. The ones that are there have been there for longer durations. Yeah, I can see that increasing. So what's the reason behind the longer stays? A more difficult person and they can't release them. So yeah, cause I mean, these numbers were, and I knew raised age directly affect them. And then we'll have some years that are good to wear Yeah, I'm not a steady trend in that number. Yeah, you go and look at them when you look back, you know, and you have You know like we have an estimated number. I know you I know you estimated what it would be through the end of this budget cycle But you think about your estimate of 38,000 and then going into the next budget cycle, 60,000. That's a, that's a huge change just from, from year over year. And then you go back and look at the, the historical on what we spent, you know, in 21, we had 54, and that was probably the first year of, raised your age probably. I can't remember when it happened. you know, in 21, we had 54, and that was probably the first year of raised your age, probably. I can't remember when it happened. That would have been right around that time. So, I guess, I don't know, it's just that number I've seen that, and I'm like, wow, you know, I mean for me, that's, I mean, that's telling, you know, about just that increase right there. And then let's see. And I noticed something about, and maybe you can explain this one to me, this is from, this page 75 is the, building revenue department courthouse, so I understand where that's at, but it liked janitorial, like the 75,000. What page do you want? 75. We didn't add any janitor for dollars or the courtroom because of this project sort of not anticipate this is revenue department. What page? 75. And that's the number, 75,000. We have some many in that building time for the moving whenever they go to their new locations and some renovations that one may be on the wrong lawn. It may need to be in 351 instead of 394. You got a backwards thing. That's what it is because the repairs and maintenance is 28 feet. Okay. Because that building would make sure that would make sure that's renovated. Then they'll be relocated so they're with. Yeah, I need to be yeah, I need to be clean. Clean the space vacated and to slightly renovated for the new optical. Okay. Hey, yeah, that makes, it makes a lot more sense to me when you look at it like that. I'm like, wow, I had to go to say $5.00. Oh, shredded, true. Got expensive. The shredded drug that expensive? Yeah. Yeah. Some got expensive when it come to Gent, why me? Trace not in Gent, it's oil is it? Okay, thank you for answering that one. One hundred certain one pages, that's not bad. I'm not mean to that way, you know. I don't think, you have to eat what can happen up again. Again, the other one, this is like the Old Park's walk and trail professional services with 15,000 and that's page 95. We had put some planning money aside for trail. I think Beckler meant was a standalone in here. The standalone in there was for some original donation money, but for his upfiat and the impregnance would be on this. This is what this is. Okay. So this says all our walk in trail. So it can be. That's what that is for. That's the. We do. We're doing the question because. We've had a couple of the projects. Look at that possible extension of the rail trail north also sign up to possibly even in the first sign. So that's some of these professional services that we're talking about. I remember a conversation with us and Danny talking about one source that we had but we've taken that out. that is exactly the opposite. That progresses to the needs of professional service. There's no quote in hand. It was just identifying in case that the producers itself, especially, are going toward the top agenda. If we're able to expand the road further in that direction, the neighborhood and just be getting some professional services, but there's obviously a hand-turned-based solution. It's just anticipating. So this is just a marker for when we do need it. It's kind of like having to go up. It's set aside. But the cost benefit we don't have to. And it's not going to cliff side, but in the RPF, we just did. It's going to LLB. LLB is what I keep here. That's the Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. The Rally of the Navy. that there's some reversion. Probably going to require professional services like I forgot Richard's colleague, Jeff Bandini, and some of those, if they actually get a chance to look into it and see how much revered back, how much of it is pulled or because what often none of it is in the protected pulled or about the 13 and a half miles, but it's here marked in case, it comes down to grass tax and we will not be spending other levels. I know for the federal regional commission you know we're talking about the you know within the forest what they're looking at. I know they're looking at it for other places to do it in different rail trails but you know I lock up rail trail. I mean it's an assay at you know expanding it would be a good thing. So I'm not saying that I can't I just... What's this exactly follower you have about? I'm just curious what it was what it's going to be there. Now here's the bachelor. Okay that's the bachelor in the bell. I can point about the signs fading and the... let's just call it a hold on the ground. Trying to give that something more aesthetic of pleasing since that's a little bit of a tourist destination that's had donors and folks in the past. I approached TVA about their funding, tourism, paying for itself. And I think they did not have something to offer to that project. Instead, we hope to be able to make that something more functional. And not something that whether it's local people in history, because there's a kind of students that do their fulfill trips and whatnot that walk up to this. All men are, I'm in there, yeah, understand. I like, you know, a little bit lacking to say, at least. Yeah, well, it's a gold mine. Yeah. We go up and crawl down in there. They say there's a ring when you're sitting in. Ah, let's go get some gold out of us. Let's go get some. We need it. Looking for that piece that was on the PDS special. I got this for the most of the seven pound piece that they used for the ocean. The seven pound piece of gold. Yeah. Seven pound piece of gold. Yeah. Yeah. I think present. That's what we need seven pound piece of gold. Yeah. That's probably a couple of years. That coming any but now this is under under Sheriff. And again, some of these will probably be just comments. But we're doing a new position for the juvenile and the courts, that's correct. And the shift differential for the night shift folks, I know that's in here and that's a new line out of them. But I mean, I know about that. I just, like I think some of these for me are just comments, you know, just kind of, kind of, kind of laying them out. But one that I did see is emergency response supplies. 63,000. And you know, they estimated three, these years 158 what kind of emergency response items this most people in there he has some equipment equipment would that go into the new ambulances as well now this is under, this is under Sheriff's. I said, you're going to ask for the 13. Okay. Is there a mark long? Okay. And then I notice the frenzy supplies when they're false side. That's the request. I would have to pull the detail of the budget to see what was on that hot on recall. What was in the act? Because he has about eight or ten different divisions that they budget for individually. The Chiefs here, do you recall? Some of the stuff that's for engines, they have two pickup drums that have purchased this year's budget, this past year's budget, or the previous year's budget, not this budget. And we didn't, with a process increase, we didn't have enough to quit those with a slide out train, split, covers and stuff, carrying the equipment to process things. Part of it is that with the destruction of evidence, I think they had some funds in there for that. As poor cases are disposed of, we can get destruction orders on that and so instead of just continuing the file with that, we have to go to the EPA certified in the December area for most of the close of orders. You know, you're showing them more than that. Yeah. And there's pretty costly to use those in some ways. It was a short time. But in some additional equipment, I just noticed a big, you know, big increase. But when you're telling me you purchased, you know, vehicles, last time and you're up fitting on this time it kind of makes make the right sense you know yeah okay I mean that helps me understand a lot and I noticed maybe you can answer this one better Don't pay 115 143 10 42 60 dash 11 so 115 260 dash 11 So, yeah, that's the few members from the notes that I gave you all request additional funds for evidence to suppose destruction to new shelving units and also the equipped two trucks with trays and bed covers and the chief mentioned to transport evidence because we didn't have those trucks equipped for that. The bigger issue is the need for what they had but the prosthetic. So I had a lot less. Split it out over two budget cypals versus one. What you're saying because they've got the truck one and then kind of up it on this one. Right? Well, I mean that's one piece of the multitude of those things I had described. It's not one unit that's causing that cost to be higher than you. It's multiple units, I understand that. Aaron's multiple planes is going on right there too. But that helped me to understand more of what's going on. And I noticed the telephone budget line up and went up. We moved the cell phones that previously were in communications budget to the sheriff's budget since they're no longer in under the same. Okay, yeah, because I noticed some other ones going, yeah, I think I'm going down. I mentioned that I think about one budget that's shipping down over to the sheriff's office group. And then, and now I did notice this in right here where the the SRO salaries went down because of the reduction in SROs or? That funds 11 or 12 SROs and then there was a request for new positions for the other six that are not fully funded. That number would go up if school system based on the appropriation of the provide this year or if they get grant funds one offsets the other we just have the base number in there for okay. The clarification the school system they actually contract with the LEOs for the service. We don. We don't do the contract. We don't do the contract. That's kind of a local progression. Mine is one of the grants. And I know it's true. This is communications, goes back to that same shift differential. I just want to make, you know, a lot of space. For me, some of this is just comments, you know, about going to shift differential for them because you know we start off at the M.S. because that's that's the norm across the state we try to roll in some of those other emergency service areas this way because it seems fair that we want off these gentlemen and ladies that not shift is much more difficult to recruit retain So that'll put it in place there as well as You must say this is the the crisis intervention. So that's money in money out out of the SS. Straight ahead, straight ahead. Yeah, a lot of that. It doesn't really matter. Those we we they try to do a projection based on state estimates. You'll see that in some of those other categories as well. But in the day, it's not in the distance expense on the county. It's if we get $400,000, we're going to spend $400,000. If they tell us it's only going to be three, we'll go ahead budget three. More times or not, it's up to get more. Because we go through a lot, some county don't expend all. There's sometimes we'll get additional dollars through like the Cross-Intervention or E.A. or lower community assistance program. Then Paul will come back and do a budget amendment or just be an increase for that particular line on a based on additional funds coming into something. They also had to increase payments during our better. I think that's going to make it. That's an interesting. And I'm interested. Now, in our, this is like state foster care temporary shelter care. I know, and I guess for me, you know, I see the, and I know it's the same thing, kind of the same way what you're talking about. I know our foster care program, we need more foster parents. I do know that. That's not a secret. I think everybody knows that. There's funding for those individuals to come in to the foster care program. I know that. Here's the same way, correct, you know, state. It's not 100% abundant. It's a little bit different. It depends on the code. Sometimes it's 75% 80, depends on top situation. I guess we're mostly about coding. The challenge for us is that it doesn't matter to percentage when if you're having to transport a lot of children out of the county. When we take children out of the county those rates, it's cost is more especially if that go out of state. It's only place we have. It's more a problem with children that have special major high needs. Okay. And don't quote me on this exactly but I do believe they modify the foster program where distant relatives can do that. Yes, we have Kinship payments now that can be used. It's a lot on them with foster care as well as there are fewer providers. And thus, Ann we've also, I want to thank you, they're up about 50 Kis, so I've had a prior year that's in foster care. I say it, you know, but the kinship's made a big difference. I'd say I think for me it was more of a common element because when you look at the numbers, you know, they really fluctuate. And they fluctuate a lot. If you look through it, you can see they're kind of up and down. And again the vehicle insurance I had that and that Southern land field that we had I know there was another pretty good budget allocation for that one with the Southern land field kind of what's going on with it right now? There's required monitoring and professional services like well monitoring and things. So James Kilgone provides us the estimates on those ones accordingly. Okay, and he a little heavy this time. It's what Glinninnostin the past, you know that numbers not being 22,000 was the highest in this year or budget in 48 So this So DQ using or diners increase their requirements is why That was your say thing was close to why I thought they'd never go away or diners increase their requirements. Is why? Is that what you're saying? The thing was close to why I'm so, is they never go away. I understand. The cost we haven't continued to have the gas monitoring was as well as the water monitoring was. Then yeah, occasionally they'll come in and the one good news, I guess the old one would call me over, or they call it off of the other period road off plus and plus out there. They came in and remediated that one. So we should be in good shape for that one for a while. It's I think it's the other one. Yeah. I think it's a huge range is okay. Because there's even in that bottom down there on the other side of the road. I think there's a little I believe it as well as there as well. Okay, that has me to understand that one, because I just seen that big increase on that one on the land field. If the Daners involved in, I guess I understand. Don't make me feel any better, but yeah. At least that was close. Well, you saw the clothes that we had to go through, and how much we spent. Oh, I remember. Just spent. I remember these cells. You know, the scary part is when the landfill currently have on low and low and low and low and that one, which is end of life, the next series will have to be a line of landfills. We're talking about the dollar. It's so we open. Right now these are grandfathered in. Still a lot of heaven and honestly, and to do, but we're not required to line them. Yeah, I remember us talking up to me years ago about a new land vehicle, and it was just a prized way. We've gotten quite a bit of capacity there for a long time. But one thing that helps us, the cost of shipping it out is still far greater cheaper than having our own. Been buried in the waste. That'll definitely be the case once we get to a point where we're having to line. We're going to get a safe right now. I guess that's the majority of my questions I had. As we're like, well, Greg, made the comments. You've seen us a rolling list. I read that thing on many times, they've been letting it absorb everything, but I say that list numerous times. And you kept this informing on what was going on and the issues, I guess, is a good way to put it and I know you put long hours in I know follow put on ours in and some of the other folks in finance other departments I know they they did and you know I'm sure I'm sure Richard was in there with you on some of that stuff you know Danny, it just, you know, I know for the county that inflation affects county government also. And when things go up, we pay more for it. Whether it's fuel, whether it's materials, whatever it might be. Just like we talk about the landfill, you know, it's enterprise ones, it has to be self-sufficient. You know, we went and last one day of our convenience centers to be able, which I'd love to see us to be able to bring that back. Or we could have that other day. But you know, I look at these numbers, not continuing to see, you know, that availability fee, I guess is a good word for me to use for, go up and just because we're having to continually absorb these calls to inflation and our carriers, you know, charge us more and what it calls to recycle calls to us more. Why it is, I know that's the issue, tires is the issue. You know, there's a lot of things going on with electronics. You know, we've come in on electronics numerous times how that feed for us keeps going up. But the fuel has been painful. That's been a 6.6% increase just in the last couple of months. Continuing to sustain. One thing I thought was credibly I opening was seeing the just your inflation has been 18 increased 18 percent has stayed there the last three four years You know, it's an inflation but it does like we're doing a recession based budget not inflation Yeah, it's true Thank you for your hard work. If you have any more tabs. I see. Good, good. The tabs pretty well. Went over three minutes by a lot. Basically, you might have his allocation for the next year. But I know. Well, again, I'll go back to Mr. Tony's question. We're here to make changes. You all need appropriate. There's a consensus about your instructions for us to do that. This was a difficult budget. We thought we're going to have to kind of the tax rate increase. We're going to have to cut out a bunch of apartment areas. This worked out better than we thought. We tried to present a budget that we knew that hit the things that each of you saw was based on the prior budget meetings. And you see, it's even important, critical, which is really everything. But trying to find those finite areas and where, like the Mr. Tony questions, it come up so that we may go ahead and address it proactively before we have this budget meeting. So I hope we've done that. But again, if we need to make changes, we're glad to do that. Well, first of all, I would like to thank you and your team, our team, for their hard work. I also like to thank these board of commissioners. You know, there are things such as the fund balance policy that we will all talk one on one and communicate it. We have it formally presented that, you know, for consideration, but we know that it's coming. And, you know, that kind of communication is very important when you have a government board like this. So I'd also appreciate the, some of the greats of the information we were provided through the budget process. And it was almost daily messages about, you know, each part of that was met with what the strengths were, what the weaknesses were, what concerns were, what the challenges are of maintaining, providing the services at a rate that our citizens can afford the property taxpayers. The COLA was pleased to see that we were able to provide our staff and employees with things of 4% COLA in Crecia. I'm wondering with the economy will we have to be able to we need to be ready to looking at that next year and or Well, you know, we don't know Um, we were our traditional employees particularly We were talking about investments in our community We are we are investing again this year in the bat bat program. I think last year we did $10,000 in This year the we have a we'll be doing Ground breaking or ribbed heading and believe pretty soon on the new software complex We should order citizens been asked before a long time That's a joint venture between us and our other partners including Forest City and TDA is helping. Thank you. I will be joining the School of War for the transfer taste and services. Have a chance to tour about for those. I hope great. Well the Forest City are in the soccer complex. We will be providing some funding, mutual funding, or fourth city on that. Is that in this budget? Is that going to be the next year? Next year. Next. OK. On the debt service slide, I think is a fund 29, or the month of the funds here. So as we're seeing this, fund 29, strengthen that. That's restricted totally just for educational purposes, which is our public school and college. In fun, 29 it's full county and water sewer economic development purposes. Okay, so that's where this means or I've been trying to. And right now we're in the discussion, we're been working with, I think, our team with the Sheriff's Office on the investment of the $2 million per receive from the state allocation. And part of the conversation that I think we've had individually and together with Sharon Allenberg and some of his team members was the evidence storage facility in a professional law enforcement center. If that, if that happens to come up in the future, could we use the $29 monies for that or another source or? Potentially those or some of the heart rate enabled money. Okay. I know we're not there, but I just know that bringing those credentialed employees in the normal. But the $10 million test of the yeast on a detention facility. Right, the $10 million will be only, but part of that is increasing the... I'm 30,000 feet up. I'm not in the details, but we're looking to reallocate some of the space what's currently office for use for medical treatments and for their, you know, for the children. And so then you would have an opportunity. And also the evidence storage areas has been a little bit of concern. Has been concern. A little bit hasn't concern. But if there's an opportunity for evidence building a professional law enforcement center where we can instead of having those employees scattered, because I think the sheriff mentioned to me that it's, I mean, it would be more be more effective I guess and for the team to be together. Now that they're not effective, no, I'm not saying that at all but because of what we've had at this waste band but when you mentioned that fun 29 on that slide I thought about that at that opportunity presents itself on the first, yet 26% of the pie, you know, had 29, almost 30% towards public safety, then we had education. Did that education portion, does that include the debt service we're paying now? Not on that slide. In the budget message? Yes. We put both pie charts in your... The first one and the budget message does not include it the second one includes the sales tax allocations to base agent or by agency. So the 20% is what we're just looking on page six, the actual appropriation including sales tax on debt service with the sales tax appropriation for their service in college. So, I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a As one of the five commissioners been hearing in special last year of our property taxpayers or you know, they're taking it on the chin with the inflation and everything. And so the middle was in a budget that does not have a tax increase. I think it's beneficial and I'm really good at that. And I'm gonna thank you all for that. Thank you. Thank you. One more thing I'll say quickly. Just again, I mentioned about looking at the two formula areas. Paulie has done an initial assessment of looking at per capita and still that boring. That's something we're in continuing to monitor going a year. The downside is that once we ask you to do it, you want to do it in April or each year, but it won't be enacted till the following July. So you've got a year and a couple of months before you actually see that going to play. So there's some risk there could be that the landlord would continue to be favorable. We need a little more time to watch that but it made me that we come back to you for that consideration because right now the way the Thornley is, not to pick on fire city but having raised their tax rate 45 cents and two budget cycles and maintain it there with that one. Produce them their tax rate, 45 cents and two budget cycles and maintain it there with that one, reduce their tax rate. That's pulling the largest amount of line share of what we're generally are used to bringing back hand for ourselves tax. That, again, the fire departments are pulling up. Grader's share is well because they also did not reduce their tax rates. In fact, one of the two that reduced their last time, one of them is asking, if you notice any budget information or asking to go back up to the prior rate they had established before. Commissioner, do there any other questions regarding the budget message from work County manager? Commissioner, we are set on our schedule to have a meeting on budget workshop Tuesday and Wednesday. Do you still want to continue to have those meetings or are you satisfied with this meeting tonight? I'm satisfied. I'm satisfied. I'm satisfied. I'm good. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner. We'll be prepared to begin for the budget hearing. Go ahead and get the ordinance draft and have that for your review. Of course, it doesn't prevent you from making the additional changes as you see fit. But we'll go ahead and prepare the budget as is to have it presented for you for the budget hearing at the June commission meeting. Thanks. So it seems we have a, since we do have consensus among the board, I will ask Hazel to make announcement that we are not having the budget workshop Tuesday Wednesday of this week as originally now. Tuesday Thursday. Tuesday Thursday. I'm sorry. I've been traveling. I just came out vacation. So I'm still there different times. I'm lost. I need to thank quite a lot. All right. So great. Well, this time, if you realize that we have a closed session item, and so I'd like to go into closed session for industrial location, expansion, and CGS-1433181. And when this is going to be with our county manager or county attorney or clerk, we're also going to get for the EDC with this as well, I suppose the EDC. So look for a motion motion go to close session. Second, you need second. Any discussion here and I'll call a question on favoriter on hand. If I was not aware of it. If it goes by the same way that they have it in the room. Thank you. Thank you.