Morning, I'd like to bring the birthday candy board of commissioners April 20th 2022 meeting to order Miss Lee you mind giving us pledge and allegiance please Certainly Let us pray I gracious Heavenly Father. We do thank you for this beautiful day that you've given us lordly Thank you for your many blessings. We thank you for the season that we just celebrated the holiday. We just celebrate it more We just praise you for the season that we just celebrated the holiday. We just celebrate it. More we just praise you for For the holiday. So we pray now that Joel bless this meeting bless everything that is said and done and Let us do the work of the county of Jesus name amen. Amen. Would you stand please? please. Applauding to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which is stands one nation under God in the visible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Miss Lee. Mr. LaSonda, can you do a roll call for us please? the commission. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sure. Chairman Trent. President. Commissioner Atkins. President. Commissioner Roberson. President. Commissioner Lee. Vice Chairman Wesson. President. Thank you. All right. Next on the agenda. Can we have a motion reconvene given in board of equalization review? Think the motion to reconvene. That's board of equalization and review. Second. All in favor. Hi. Mr. Ray. Good morning. Morning. We have no appeals. Okay. See my hammy questions. I don't know what's going on. That's good. That's good. That's great. That's great. Not a problem. Okay. I can have a motion come up. All right, next thing is going to be a great grant follow up and discussion with Kathy Davidson and Bo Coughlin run out connect. Don't go. Just again, this hopefully is a review from last time, so I'll try more. I'm so sorry. As I said earlier, you know, we've got a commitment that serve every resident, every business, every agricultural offer in the community. We've talked specifically today about the great grant in the areas that will be served by the great grant. The reality is that this is the foundation fund which will be able to deliver service to every individual. So whether that's in addition, we've committed ourselves to splitting the ACP and to provide a service that if you are eligible for the ACP program that in essence, you would get this service. So $30.30 a month, ACP program, we provide 100 million service at 30 out there. Can I ask you a question real quick? What is the qualifications for the ACP? It's low to moderate income, receive federal subsidy or assistance already, and then be eligible for the free lunch program through the federal government and looking at the households that within the county of Bertie or Bertie County, a little over 2300 households would be eligible for the the ACP program. Okay, but one thing is just to let you know we thought you gave a great presentation last time we were here. You were virtual with us. We didn't really get to see you, okay? But we have some specific questions, I think. Yeah, yeah. And I think, does anybody really need to go over the whole program again? I don't think so. I think we just really need to ask the questions that are on our mind and go from there. Okay. And it may be a little bit of recapping some numbers and things of that nature, but I think we need to get some clarification. That's what I think. Total budget, I think you said for birthday accounts like eight million dollars, was that correct? It's total for, so it's two thing, all of this is a firefight. Please. So there's for the entire town, right? So when done? Yes. Around 42 million dollars. Okay, and that's what I have on paper here. In our conversation, we said something about $8 million. Can you tell me what that is? That is the total grant, great grant budget that we're not even the budget. That's the maximum amount for the grant. And we're actually going to apply for two grants that's the maximum amount for the grant. And we're actually going to apply for two grants based on what the guidelines say, one grant maxes four million. County grant total is $8 million that can be awarded. And the reason for doing two is we maximize the number of households or operations or businesses that we can cover. If you if you'll turn a few pages further, it says total great grant. Our total proposed funding service area budget is $12.4 million. is $12.4 million. Yes, I know that's over the $8 million, but maximizing all of those areas that are unserved or underserved, meaning that they're below $25.3 per service. So we're looking at a maximum of a grand amount of $8 million. the required match is 50%. And so the match would be just straight for $4 million. However, because it's higher, the proposed funding service area is more, row and note connect is committing to make up that different plus the additional match except for $500,000. Okay, let me let me stop you right there. That's where we got. I think we need some little bit of clarification. Okay, so total is going to be coming in around 12 men change right I'm gonna say 12 men change. Okay, all right, the total grant itself is going to be eight men correct. Okay, and run a electric or we are applying for that. So we're going to have to go to that point. So I'll be absolutely, so you've got total eight. So you've got a $4 million to save for that. So of that, run up connect is going to make up 3.5 million at that. Okay. So you're going to make up 3.5 of the 4 million over that, yeah, all right. So it. 12 million to get eight. Right. Delta of four will make a roughly 3.5. Okay. The remaining 500 is the the match. We have the ARP funds from the can. Okay, so the 500K is going to be coming from the county itself. Okay, because I remember we got into a question of 50%. 20%. I believe you said 50. I believe you said 20 over that. And that's from some clarification we got because we have some other information. Mr. Scarborough, Assistant County Manager. It's maximum, but going through the guidelines, they require that we submit based on 50%. And the reason for asking for the $250,000 program, total of 500 is so we can maximize the scoring opportunity. Yeah. But it's up to 50%, but they somehow have to submit the application. We have to submit 50%. So what happens if the grant is approved and the match is less than what happens to? The 250,000 stays. Rhono Knet will pick up the difference. Whatever the difference is, yeah. Okay. For the difference we eat. Because the hot like those that as you know is a tier one county in Bertini, if anybody's going to get a reduced grant, I mean, match is going to be us. Okay. If anybody is. But I will use great grant to we've we've already received two grants for Berti County. The second grant was a 50% match. Okay. To Commissioner Wesson's point, let me just follow up a little bit there. Okay. For example, the 500K could only be 250, correct? Is that what you just said a second ago? Each, each, there's two applications. I got you. Each one is 250,000. Okay. All right, so there's double applications. We're aware of that, right, guys? Okay, and I'm talking to the County Management. Okay. So there'll be two applications each or two hundred fifty thousand say for example, we only get one What you're saying is it run a collector will come up with the other two hundred and fifty thousand is that what you're saying? No, okay, I'm 50 thousand has to be from ARP funds. Okay, so the grant will cover 250 and then ARP will cover the other 250. Is that what you're saying? So then explain it one more time. So here's what it is. So we can total area of Bertie. Just take it right there. Okay. And then again, I just want to be very clear that my management understands this. Okay, and the rest of this board understands us also so go ahead. So we've submitted two areas, East and West, East and West, it's easier. And the total is 12. Right so so some cases six and six. I've got a ride. We can only get four. Okay. We're going to make up the difference minus the 250,000 on each. Okay. If we don't get one, then there's no minus or anyone. Because there's the grant. We didn't get. Right. So. Okay. If you get both, then it's 250 per for the county. Right. Roughly 3.5 million. For runoff connect over and above the match. So it's $12 million. They're going to provide eight. We're going to come up with 3.5. The county will come up with five. That's pretty clear to me, but I want to be sure. So if in fact the match comes back at less than a percent than yes, then we only match that percent. Is that correct? So we're five you're saying we're 500 in regardless. So that one more time, but I'm sorry. So regardless of and can't just won't be real clear. Yes, so the 500,000 is constant, right? So 250 math will be constant regardless Regardless, if for whatever reason, right, instead of 3.5 in addition, it's 3.3 million. Yeah. Yeah. Then, then will our cost will be whatever, we're, you know, we're instead of having to make up that over rich. Okay. What the make it less. Yeah. So y'all win if the matches less. Yeah. Got you. Make sense. Let's see. Make sense. Let's listen to this question. Have y'all. We should be able to help the. Tails in the within the county. Have they obligated? No. And the reason being is the towns did not receive the federal the direct. Authorization from the federal government. Based on the guidelines. And it's the American Rescue Plan obligations. And that is specifically what the State Broadband Office and the General Assembly in creating the legislation for the guidelines for this program identified that it was counties only. Okay, I really, the reason I had a couple of town commissions and town of Windsor, you know, say that they feel like these should have been included. So to that point, I mean, I just think of the kind of Windsor. We discussed it because we're actually talking to them today. Okay, I know that's like last week they said they had been included. They won't know that. Not on the grant applications. No. And I. Yeah, cannot. So if only one grant is received, then what does that do for the service area of the county? I mean, I think that the commitment is continued to be to be able to serve the county every resident in and business. The timing. Why would be something we have to literally come back. I mean once we once we understand what the grant looks like and how this looks. If it's not what we anticipate or we hope. as because I think as part of the continuous updates on wherever I have that kind of discussion and dialogue will be like listen we got one versus both I think the timing instead of this looks like this will apply will continue to apply for whatever else comes down the road to see if we can offset that but our goal and commitment is still to deliver the services to everyone in the community if it's me take a walk. I could be safe to say that maximum that could be for the county us. Okay, it's 500k. Yes. And there's another grant that comes through. It could also that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think that in essence, I'm not aware, you know, we don't know of any other grants and needs that require and managing. So, so I don't anticipate the county having to have an additional, but I think that's it's worth a question. Yes. All right. The next thing is you had commented and the last time we were here, and again, I'm not trying to pin you down. Right. It's just conversation. Okay. But we need a good understanding. The phase that would be going in next is straight down three away head and west. Let's just say that's that's correct. It's to the look to Lewis and this will map the right after 2025 it's the 2022 fly. That would be the first of southeast 13 all the way. Can't find a Windsor and then all the way. Okay, but I had understood you to say that you were going west to Louiston. Oh, we are actually in, we've got five or in in those areas. You've got 300 miles in, I believe, is what the comment was. So there's 300 miles of fiber already in West Bertie County, correct? There's approximately it. OK, I'm still right in that area. Do you tell me exactly where storage stops? I'll send it to you. That would be fine. I'm sending it to you. Now, my other question is also hypothetically, this is just hypothetical because I don't have the locations and neither do you, you're gonna send it to me. But if it's on 308, how far out from 308 will this fiber work that somebody can have this interconnect? I think so. Currently, it is operates in delivered services just along the routes that it has. Right. So it's on 308 as an example and I'll look and see exactly where it goes down 308. It's a part of the expect to have servers correct. Not today. Okay. The wheel. I mean, that's part of part of what I say, part of the whole, this is a foundation of fine work. Okay, then you're going to start spluttering off. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I get it. Okay. So it's just, it allows us to do it. Hey, it's more effective in addition, but it's just it allows us to pay more effect in the vision, but it's also fast so when we get to that, I'd be able to do that in my future. Okay, and if you can send me that information as far as where we have fiber in West Bertie, I appreciate it. And I think you said we had it down how way 11 also. Yeah, I'll send you all to send you the math. That'd be great. Okay, if I have questions I can call you direct. Yeah. So all of your services I understand it's going to be direct wired, right? Yeah. So there won't be any like wireless kind of applications very, because what we run into with companies like we've had direct access to how we 17 for years. Yeah. But those when you run off, if you're 500 feet from the box, so whatever you don't get servers, that's been frustrating. So, you know, on your page, where you have the 2025 goal, and you said, says 454 miles of fiber, but it says over 9500 people serve by 25. Now, that's only about half of our population. That's household. House. House. House. House. Household structures and it actually it's 95 I believe 95 33. We used to universal the NC one data because I know that I went to you and you had some data and over here they've got some and I might not come and it'll be different. So we just need the NC1 in their full passing. So what is the percentage of actual households that you're going to cover by 25? Is that another 100 percent? Okay, that's what you said first. Okay, by 25, birthday counting, every resident, every resident, would have broadly. that's in both grants are God. Well, we'll stick to that. Yeah, that assumes that both grants. And it may be 2030 if both grants are not done. Got you. Yeah. Yes. I believe that I'm trying to paint it with orange. Yeah, but you also, if I'm not mistaken, except by 2025, they're going to still leave. I believe that will be the case. I think that out as we progress, as I said, I think we'll come back and discuss that. Hey, that's great. That's right. That's what I brought up the aspect versus, you know, grants and what are all set for big because one was 50% one was 20% Nobody has an idea of what you're talking about. But that's the asset that I'm talking about that creates and pays for the system. Very many you expressed as you can. Absolutely. Yeah. It makes no sense. So that's the exact reason why when we originally started the project, it was just a member at the end of the Spain to get to build outside of our service territory, because that's how we can cover the rural areas when you have the density in the towns that are outside of service territory. So, yes. So, so your first direct move from this plan was how it when's coming out 17. I saw that now are you, is your plan to go all the way to the bridge on 17th, which is the line, which is Bertu Martin line? Oh, yeah, right. It's, it's, it's to go to whatever the last, so we designed the whole thing, um, just the whole county at a high level. Um, and then what we just, this is just information. So, what we did in a process was like that we built it, we put people in the street that will drive every single road in this county and identify all the locations where I'm right. So, so that's my question. So, if you go straight down 17 from winter, you're going to get a sizeable population of those living, quote, south-winsor. But then there are other major arteries like wooded road, which goes down and that's some runs off 17, and major junction, but you get probably around 25% of folks who live in South Windsor and that one spurred. So you'll look at those first. Yeah, I mean, we're gonna go every single red, there's every single road we've driven and every single location that's able to receive service will be available. But you will prioritize those by the amount of folks you hit when you move those. Right? Okay. The only other I'm not sure if you're going to prioritize those by the amount of folks you hit when you move those right. The only other major person I had, which was something I did not understand. Maybe I'm categorized what you said incorrectly. Tell me if I am. I, we asked the question. Okay. I know you're looking at several other counties, right? You were. Okay. So if, if a counter like Mark, not neighborhood counties, one, I know that you talk with, they do not have your service there now at all, right? So if we're both going at this the same way, give the same amount of funds in terms of matching dollars, and then I would just say, well, yeah, you both get kind of the equal same pace of service. How's that possible? When you are, when we already have some infrastructure here. Right. I think that and you know that's it would seem like that it would be a much easier and expansion process where you already have service as close as we know. Oh I agree. I know this. I think that ultimately the goal for all six count really is what we're talking about is 20.5. So to your point, do I believe that some areas will actually be done before others, whether it's by county or by absolutely, but I can say that the commitment from our side is the goal of 2025 for hard work. And the amount of funds that we put in is not changed. No, just want to be here and there. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So the cost for those that call. So it's in our best interest for over I. So the cost for those that qualify for the ACP is 30. What is your current cost for those non ACP? So services as it stands today and we'll, you know, as I said, we'll expand that. But we've got for residents with two basic services. You've got a gig service at $80 and you've got a less 100 gig service, 100 max service at $60. You can bundle that with voice for an additional 25 on each of those. So it's $85 or $105. When you identify those parameters in terms of getting the reduction of cost. What do they say for families on free and reduced lunch? Again, I'm just so there's a family have to meet all of those. Or do they meet right? Right. Because when I see free and reduced lunch, at least my understanding of our school is that all of our kids get it. But and reason they do is because at least 90% of the households do qualify, right? That's right. So you're talking about, that's the case, 90% plus, these households would qualify for the reduced cost, right? And you factor that into your equation. So that's not going to change in terms of your presence. No, one of the requirements of the grant is that we provide an ACP program and affordable connectivity program. And a person that doesn't qualify gets the one, has the opportunity to do the 100 megabyte service for $ $60 and the individual that qualifies will get that same service for $30. And then what we're going to do to help them because we know that and and all of you know sometimes filling out those government forms and registration is very difficult. And we are working with our call center, so we can support the residents of Bertie County to submit their application. The FCC has to approve every single one and verify that they're actually qualified. But once they do that, we handle everything else. So do you, your existing customers get priority based on being an existing customer? Was it simply the location where you are? So if I'm going, if you're going down a new road, if you're going down wooded road, do those who already customers get first hot, or it's just wherever you locate it, as you do the string. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's wonderful that they've included that program into this great grant because I can remember being at a conference and us talking about broadband for all of our residents and I'm going okay it's not enough just to put the fiber down you got to make it affordable ours our residents are not going to be able to we're still going to be in the same shape that we're in. So I'm glad that they've included that. I am too. Yeah. And that's all you don't have. Right. Not that we have any truth. Because the reality is that so this is at a high level. And this is general. In essence, if you're a customer that you live in Bertie, Canada today and you have any type of video service. And you've got an internet service. Mainline for cell service. And you spot. You're probably paying anywhere somewhere north or 200 dollars a month. So with this service, not only do you have the opportunity to put something at 30, a faster service at no cost, you also can get phone for $25. And you can name a streaming service, most expensive to $65.70. So you're going to say so you're going to go and then on the power side if you're a member owner or you're not a member, this is only matter if there are devices and services that will be provided as a member is at no cost as it as a non-member probably five to ten dollar kind of priceing but it'll save anywhere depending on who you believe but let's just say 50 to 60 dollars among one power. All right, so you're gonna go from 200 dollars just on your media communication to somewhere near half that, best of half, all right? And then also potentially, you know, if you sign up and do the energy saving programs that we'll put in the life. So if you could save $25 in your power. Yeah, so I mean, the bundling makes sense. Yeah, and of course about, you know, if I'm a existing customer now, I already have the power to make it easier for me to get, you know, the other piece, but you're saying it from running the line and I'm not a customer. I decided that I want the power as well as. Right. Yeah, because the opportunity is this, is that, and I've said this in other means, and one of the things that I found most attractive is the part between Goro Connect and Electrical Poit. The communication company is in general. It's a larger divide than you would think. IoT is a big term in internet settings and having all the bikes. It's not everything's power oriented. Thermostat's water heater. But because we've got the expertise on the power side, our ability to deliver, whether you're a co-op member or not, a thermostat, right, at a five, let's just say $8 a month, that we set up, we educate, we install part of the thing. And it's right. You'll see reporting again, depending on if you listen to anywhere from 18 to 23. So I'm your power. Well, it'll be interesting. I mean, when's this my district? And as you know, they buy power from the minion and reseller. So I'll be interesting at your conversation with them. Yeah. And to how that will affect them. No, there's going to be a lot of things that are going to shake out in the wind once we get this bundling put together in the whole nine yards. I know exactly what the offsets are going to be. And so I'm impressed. Anybody else having any other questions? Great job. Okay. Great job. Thank you for present. Chairman, I was just in order for me to provide the letter that run. Oh connect needs. I'll need a motion from the board. I'm stating our intent to provide the $250 match for each grant. $250,000. Correct. $150,000. Chairman, I do have one. You're right. I want to be sure. Yeah. Now we're planning to spend a Rp font for this, right? Yes, sir. Does the funding. Well, yeah, we do, do we know when we're going to get those dollars? But when it was broken, they often said it was too late. It's just be running. Yeah. What happens if we don't get them prior to budget? But what is the obligation to? It's the obligation. Honestly, you don't have to provide those funds until. Gotcha. Yeah. Until until that's the answer. That's what I'm saying. William, what are you going to get out budget? William, pull out your switchblade, make him sign that blow. Well, and I will tell you, Mr. Terry, who is from Berty County, and I had that conversation before he left for a meeting in Arlington on Monday, that Ronope Connect will cover the expense of the build out, the grant, we have to pay everything before we can even submit for the grant funds from the state, all of the match. And we will commit that we will pay all of that. And once we submit for the reimbursement and receive it, we can invoice the county. And however way that you want us to. This is why we're saving some of that. All right, exactly. Chairman, I'll make the motion that we approve the consent to go forward with supporting this effort, the understanding of the matching funds that have been submitted to us on both sides. In the amount of a quarter of a million. That's great. I'll second that. That's to us on both. In the amount of a quarter of a million. That's great. That's great. That's for us at each. OK, we got a prop first and second all in favor. Thank you very much, both. Thank you. Thank you very much, Dean Luddy. Thank you. OK. You're on the good, good, good, good. Yeah, do do do do. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, next on the agenda is going to be animal cruelty best guest update from Sheriff John Holling and staff. Sheriff, you're up the bat. How you doing, sir? I'm sorry. Sure. Sure. You're up the bat. How you doing, sir? Good morning. Morning. I'm wondering. You're still going to pass some questions about, I guess, Peter. Is that's why I'm here or something? This is something. No, that's it. Okay. I'm here and willing to ask. Answering the question has to stay up here. We can ask in the question that you may have. I'll start you on the reason this came on the agendas because a lot of us attended the small business network thing on, on Easter Monday, right? Sunday. Sunday. Sunday. And Peter was there, Rachel was there, and the comment she made, at least to me, and I think she probably made the same comment to others, is that she had not been able, in her words, not mine. So what she said, again, what she thought was a satisfactory understanding of where the investigations stood. What investigation is? The investigation of what she submitted. She submitted two inquiries concerning one dog that was dead, the other dogs. There's four or five other dogs. There were two specific things that she had submitted to the sheriff's office. Now, since then, since that, we did find out that she've never been parry had made a response to her and we saw that today. And the reason we put on the agenda because her statement was that she had been having difficulty getting what she thought was a clear response. Her statement. Here's the thing, I'm not competing, but they have to allow us to do our job. They want to be the judge, the jury, and the executioner at the same time. That's not going to work. You give us something, give us time to check it out. We investigate it. What they want is something, forgive it to you today. I won't result today. The last one she complained on. We got complain on was a horse. Well, we took the horse to the appropriate place. And guess the name content and you well. They want to know when the person will be arrested. It don't work like that. They go out and do an investigation. You get all the evidence they can and they submit it to the district attorney. The district attorney returned reviews the case and let us know whether this is a case that she will prosecute. That's how it goes. And communication has been going on in entire time. And I'll address the moment with the dog tail and want to say that the dog in testing was hanging out. I sent Amal control off so white out, talked with the owner, I did. After can we pick the dog up, take him by the bed, I did ask him, can we pick the dollars I'm taking by the bed? Let's give them a check now. Took the dollar by there, it looked at the dollar, says, no, nothing so far as cruel to the animal that he can see. Doll tales of folk we do it for years, but it will get the dollars and about this street of the process. They've checked out the dollar for cancer, no cancer, but so far as what they put out there abuse and all, it's not there. Okay. And Sheriff, thank you for that update and just to let everybody know. And I made this known to Commissioner Justa. The one about the dogs were the one died, okay? That was starvation. Starvation, things of that nature. I'd like to say I was in direct communication with the sheriff. I was also in direct communication with Chief Deputy Perry, okay, and reference that. They respond to me every time I called them. Also, I would like to say, and I have this in an email, okay? That this goes back to March 22nd, March 22nd. This case was turned over to, okay, right around March 22nd, 24th right now there was turned over to the State of Attorney's Office, District Attorney's Office, okay, Ms. Aswell's Office, which I also have a copy of, I have a copy of the email that came from the District Attorney's Office stating that they were going to be talking to Lieutenant Johnson, okay? Mr. Skip, okay? I think Kenny also, I mean, I can read this whole thing, but it's pretty long, okay? But here it is right here, okay? I've got a copy of it. So the response back when I called was perfect, okay? You guys had done an investigation. You had turned it in and as I had always said, the sheriff and I've talked about and so has Chief Deputy Perry and I, you get your investigation, turn, district attorney's office and they're the ones that make the decision whether it's going to be prosecuted or not. Is that not correct? Okay, and that's how it is. Now I do get calls from Peter. And if I do, then I will call one law enforcement officers. I'll discuss it with them. And they've always handled this thing and moved on. Sheriff and I've even talked about different cases and things about nature. And it's been done. And again, this county has other cases other than just dog situation cases or animal abuse cases. We have children abuse cases. We have drug abuse cases. This is no fault of the sheriff. It's just the nature of the beast. Okay. And we are trying to, and I say we, because I think all the county commissioners would agree with us. And the sheriff's former is trying to put everything to bed as quickly as they possibly can. Now, there's sometimes that you guys may not get back to somebody within a normal time, absolutely. But you know what, that's just human nature. That happens in private business also, okay? So I wanna thank you for what you have done and also corresponding back with me when I had questions and reference to it because I think Sheriff Kenny, Skip, you guys have a difficult job to do and trying to do this. You got 720 square miles you're covering, you're trying to get everybody, you know, the service that they need, there are certain things that you can't do. You can't do until the procedures have been followed. Okay. That is one thing I understand from being in law enforcement. I've explained that numerous times to different people and I think that coming in here and talking and letting this be known. I think it was a wise decision, okay? So, sure. Sure. Good. Sure. I like to commend your staff. I call them on several occasions that people call me. They've done a awesome job. All of them, white, skill, cannon, even I call gray and commission anchors, all of them had done a great job. I appreciate it, man. I really do. And now, on the took care of situation, they know how to communicate with the people and also know how to communicate with me. I appreciate you guys. I love you for all you do. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate the work that you'll do. Lord knows I do. But has has there been a update given to the Peter folks there on our line? Because this and Y'all may or may not do Facebook, but it is I have got lots of our citizens contacted me with a Facebook post and the things that they're saying about Bertie County on that Facebook post are, and these ladies are not dispelling what they're saying. They're adding to it. So, and well, it just gives the county a bad reputation. And it's mostly folks from Virginia that don't even live here, but they're talking ugly about Bertie County. Let me ask this commissioner, what do you suppose I'd be different than I would have known? I'm asking have you updated these ladies from Peter on the case? Give us the case. We're going to work the case. Give us time. They know we're doing an investigation. Now, if I have to call them every 30 minutes or hour, we need to add them. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Yeah. We have made contact with them. Chief Depp and me contacted with them. Rescaded and made contact with the DA. You're all the process. But you have to let me so far the share. Yes, sir. And employee do our job. Yes, sir. I don't think. For my standpoint, I don't think that's what I heard from Peter, but I heard from them out there that they said they said, look, when I'm questioning the job that the Sheriff Department is doing, it is their decision to say how this should be handled, whatever. Her only, she said, my only complaint is that when we call to try to find out what is the status, we don't get a status. And that's what she said. Look, I can't tell you what that's right or wrong, but she's saying that if we could just keep, be kept up today like front of if it went to the DA in March, right? Then she had been informed that it went to the DA in March, but she said they didn't know that. Thank you. Well, she said that they had no idea. If I can step in and comment to that please. Can I step in and comment to that please? I was in South Virginia when I got the phone call, and I know it specifically. Okay. At that point in stage, I called chief deputy, chief deputy called me back and I forwarded your text message back to them of what stage everything was in. Okay. I can't do any more than what I'm doing. You can't do any more than what you're doing. Once it gets to, and I was talking to the county manager about this yesterday. Once it gets to the district attorney's office, that's where the communication needs to start, okay? If they want to find out as far as prosecution, things of that nature, these are things I'm not gonna talk about with anybody as far as a general citizen, okay? Because I don't know the outline of what this case is, okay? Sometimes the investigators, the lieutenant, Mr. Skip, Shwai, they don't have all these facts put together to have a case to present at that time to the district attorney. Is that makes sense what I'm saying? Because you've got to take a whole ball of wax, get it together, write it up, put the facts in line. I know for a fact that the sheriff even takes me back while I was in South Virginia and asked me, Chairman, can you give me a copy of the autopsy report on the dog that's starved? Isn't that correct? And Ms. Rachel, who's very nice lady, I can't commend her anymore for her heart where she's trying to be at. And quite frankly, I commend PETA because they are going into our elementary schools now talking to the children, explaining things of that nature of how to take care of dogs and animals and Diffinaries, they just were in Westburg T elementary school the other day, but make a long story short These are the things that I know for a fact have had If they don't feel like it's happening the time constraints that they Need to work under the sheriff's department has their own time constraints. Well, that can be correct. I don't think that's the issue. The issue is not whether or not the sheriff department is doing the job and doing the job. That is not the issue. That was never anything that was stated. You have to do your investigation first. And you should have had the way you determine as sheriff and you department should have. They're only complaint, if you will, is that they did not feel that when they call to ask the status that they were giving a clear understanding of where the case stood, and that was her only, and she's under for it, I wish she could speak for herself, because she says, I have nothing to do you know all of us can be informed that's great but are we making sure that the person who made the complaint is kept up the stuff snuff when they decision this but whenever you make it that's the point I think she's asking that that's reasonable yeah in the case of dying over that way I can't get in again I wasn't involved in that conversation there, but under the circumstances case that I know about, everything was forwarded to her by me that day. She acknowledged she got it, and that was the case that we were talking about. So I don't know about any other case of them. I don't know. Say, kind of the point of what Ms. Lee said about the County having the bad reputation and you know being criticized is to think of a point that people miss oftentimes is opinions on how animals should be treated very widely you know and I love animals I got some of the treated any good as anybody in the world but what the sheriff has to deal with is does mistreatment or was it allegedly mistreatment or rise to the level of a criminal offense? Not whether he thinks the animal should be treated a little better than it is. Right. It's isn't a criminal offense and that's what he deals with. And and sometimes people miss that. They think of well this animal you know should be treated a little better. Well maybe they should should. The chair played very well agree with it. The animal should be treated better, but it's not criminal what's happening. People need to remember that. Yeah, I agree with that, Greg. And that's why I said the point is not what we're doing. I think we're doing all the right things, but I think what we have to make sure is that we are communicating that in a timely way. I'm just Jeff. We make communication with we may not be much what much you will like, but I'm telling you, or Miss Lee will like, but we make communication with Peter. John, are we trying to bring back what the citizen said? Telling you are wearing. Telling you how we do think? And, and share. I'm telling you how. Well, I'm, I'm, I'm satisfied. There's been what we were told Sunday is there was no communication. Now you're telling us that there has been. So I'm good, Chair. And I'm telling you, we hit with two in the case. I got proof that we got communication. I'm good. Chief, that we got. I'm good. Chief Deputy Chief Deputy of Health Second and telling what we have done. I'm good, Sheriff. We were told no communication. You're telling this there has been communication. We have proof there. We got proof that we have. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I like and add all the emails I've sent to the Rachel quick in the last month. I printed off yesterday. So we got proofed that I've been contacted or she might not think that's quick enough or enough information with what I'm saying to her is what I got. I can guarantee you next time she tells me there's no communication. That's I will give her. Exactly right. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I don't know my time. What a citizen has said and what they asked me. I'm not from Washington. See, when it gets off and to make people think, well, with question, what you do, that is not it. It's not our job is what a citizen has an issue. That's not our job. To make sure you are aware of what they believe their issue is. And that's not how, that's not how it's not just what I was telling you from the very beginning, we made contact. Then it rolls back again about making contact. What I've just told you, Mr. Trent, even proving that we have made contact. And that's why I got Chief Deathfair even to back dead up, we're doing made contact. Can I step in here real quick? Okay. I use the days of March 20th and March 24th, correct? Somewhere in that area. We'll go back to March 15th. Okay. Kenny, did anyone contact Rachel? Miss Rachel from PETA, reference to Seastog. Last text was from Friday. Okay. This was Tuesday. So we're only talking about one, two, three days in between there. Okay. At 322, she just called. She paired. And this is from Miss Rachel. between there, okay? At 322, she just called. She parried. And this is from Ms. Rachel. Perry just emailed and said they are waiting to hear back from the prosecutor about the case. Thank you. Okay. Now, I don't think he can do anymore what he just did I Said thanks. I'll pass it on Okay, and I forward these things and that's the reason I'd do it by text and not by phone call So I have a copy because this was on March 15th And I even specified Friday to you at 322 I'm being point specific. And then three days later, excuse me, he texts back to me or to, uh, uh, Peter texts me that same day, uh, that Perry just emailed and said they're waiting to hear back from the prosecutor about the case. Thank you. Now that's the same day that I was contacted. And again, I understand the sense of urgency on their poor. I understand that. Listen, I'm a dog owner. Okay. the sense of urgency on their poor. I understand that. Listen, I'm a dog owner, okay? And I think everybody knows I'm a freak over my dogs in the first place. But I will have to say, I mean, the guys are getting back, they're getting back the way I see that they can't turn around and say we're going to have 24 hour turnaround. It doesn't work that way. I've been in the position of investigations and things of that nature and I know it takes time. And when you think you're gonna have something, it happens. I don't have a problem, mis-retro columnar or me dropping a call to Kenny and saying that there's a nation. And the sheriff's never told me not, hey, Chairman, you know, instead of our deal, he's never said that. She pairs, never said that. He's always says, I'll get back with you. He'll get back with me that day. He always has. Because Miss Rachel's been calling me. And I think it's the communication feeling the sense of urgency, what is going on in things of that nature. So I don't think it's the throwback on you guys, whatsoever. I think that we just need to, like I said, these are the understandings that we have. I meant, no different than on the 24, come on and cheer train. I want it to let you know that we would be given presentation before West Bertie Elementary School. These are the things when the sheriff, myself, Commissioner Robinson met with PETA, okay? Remember that, okay? I said, these are the things that need to be done. We need to be in the elementary schools. We need to be at the functions. You need to know the people Bertie canning. I start from the top level and work you way down. I need to start at the level where everybody's at that are dealing with animals on everyday basis and I think they're doing that now and they get it in there. So I compliment them on that. But anyhow, make a long story short. Everything and anything can be improved. I just know I, but I have in text and these different cases and one of the cases that were brought up. That's all. And I will say she sent me another complaint this morning and I haven't told her to share it here. I just got it. She might be asking the day of the fuck before. What that come is, I just got it. Just maybe I'll clarify something I said, I made a comment about sometimes things don't reach a level. From current offenses, I don't want anybody to think that I'm implying that any of these ongoing investigations don't work too. I don't know anything about these investigations of what little bit I've been told. So please don't read into that, that some of these ongoing things that I don't think be that level because they're very well made. I mean, I'm just saying that oftentimes that's the case. Somebody's idea, they have an idea that something needs to be done that the animal is treated better and the share, it is best to get it there. I agree that they need to be treated better, but it just does rise to the level of criminal events, which is what they have to deal with. Well, for me, when I was out there and she was telling me there had been she said no communication. I took that for being no communication. I now know better. So thank you for coming before us and letting us know. Anyways. For me it's very simple. When a citizen, any citizen, brings a complaint that says, I'm not getting what I think I should get. Our job, my job is to make sure you know it, what they are saying. So it can be resolved. That's the issue here to me. And if you give, then that should be the dialogue with her. Hey, Rachel, we're giving you feedback. This is as fast as we can do it. But if I take that from a citizen and don't let you know what they're saying, I haven't done my job. I'll say that. Well, to me, that is the only issue. Because like I said, what do you mean not getting any response? She says, well, I call and they say, we're investigating, but I don't know where it stands. That's what hurts, but that's what you need to know is what she's saying, so we can deal with it. So we don't get those things out in the community making people think that we are doing what we're doing. That's the point. All right, let me address the one about the dog, that dog, the dog, they say that they went out there, man, how many more dogs? Four or five? And they looked about the same that they looked when the first one out there. I have my animal patrol officer going to periodically and check on them the dogs. I had um skipped to stop by that even on yesterday's skip of your stuff on the shoulder and the pictures of the dog. That's actually see for yourself what we're dealing with. And I can just basically tell you that the dog was way better. I mean, you can look at the dog yourself. Well, they are getting bad and they're not starving to death, gotcha. And honestly, if I may say this, I think probably that great big concern she was worried about the remainder dollars but in two of the cases resolved we'd have a fight if you come try to get my dollars I'm going to get my dog. That's the food. If she had no idea, she ran away. This is the lady she had no idea what I was going yesterday. And then her dogs, if you look at them, you have to do it. I'm good. I'll take your word for it. But I think I will say this, this organization, when in my opinion, this is my opinion, I understand this West West West, what you were related about environmentalism. But when she brought it to our attention and we addressed it and said we have got deaf and these island we have defective investigations. As soon as we notice some real ex-dersonal hurt text in the email in the call of Nerveel Bay, it just turned right around the call of no. But in my opinion, when I tell you I'm investigating, when you need to know some tips off day, I'm telling you where I am. That's the way I feel, but I know I'm a little over whatever will. And I understand that. But I understand that you can take the rest of this. But you know, this is a legal organization out of. For Chad, yes. I don't have to call them every 30 minutes and keep them abreast of what I do. I don't think it, every 30 minutes to keep them abreast of what I do. I don't think anybody expects you to do that. And I know. And skip, again, I think. But she kind of conveyed, I think, to the two. Yeah. I think she kind of conveyed to nobody. Right. And she said, no, she said she did not have a clue what the status of the investigation was. That's why I brought it. That's why we brought it forward. But we can't change what you've done is address that. Which issues you should try. And she needs to understand that too. Okay, and it may not be when they want it, but it is being addressed and it's a deal. So, and like I told her, please feel free to call me anytime. And I think any of you, okay. I don't have an issue. I don't want to do those five dogs that I just showed you she wanted those seeds. Yes she did. That's what she wanted. That's what they're saying on Facebook. Why didn't they go get them? Yeah. That's what you should make. Yeah but that's the should. So you're doing exactly what needs to be done. I think that's the issue. I just think that. It's like you said, Mr. Westwood, her time frame and her thinking, oh, water response time should be an hour and a half that's probably all about the place. Because she had known that this is going over to the DA. That should have been the end of as far as you guys concerned in the first place. You knew about that, but we got the right. They don't say on the email also. Right. Yeah. But she claims she did. So anyway, thanks, Chair. We just tell you, man, we take stay. Thank you, sir. Thank you all. Thank you. They're on blind. So they've heard everything. Okay. One, two, if you don't mind. Sure. Thank you. I want to address that issue about Peter, about that. No, they are looking at. It's not 99% was 100% black people. I just want you all to know that we have not said they but 100% Black people. I just want y'all to know that. We have not said they've been in the town yet. We have not had one call on a white person dog. Not one call. And I worked the whole county and I know that's white people dog. Just a bad dog. It's the out dog, Black people dog. And a lot of these call, if they see two ticks on a dog at its grandma crew, they call for black folks. My question is, because I don't understand, and Mr. Western, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you keep saying the community, the community, I didn't know Peter was part of the community. And what I'm saying is it seemed to me that you taking that word more than hour. And the point is that if it's going to be for the community, then it all give us, when Peter called, they shouldn't pay the call and feel comfortable that it's going to get, that whatever they want, going to get done while in the pushback. What they need to know is that I'm for Bertie County and I'm for my Ampleto officers because when they push stuff on Facebook, it make it look like we ain't doing what we support for them. That's right. That's why I'm from my Ampletoe officers because when they put stuff on Facebook it make it look like we ain't doing what we support. That's right. That's why we're doing it. And everybody on Facebook looking at saying, but Ampletoe people doing it. And I don't like it because I know we work hard to make sure that the community we go, we need to go. We don't borrow nobody. We do what we got to do. But when people can come from Virginia and dictate what we got to do, there's something right. Constable, of course, when the citizen comes to us, the citizen, you grow up, sit here there, but if anybody comes to us and makes a complaint about one of our departments, what should we do? You should find out what's going on. This is exactly what we're asking. But you should come in here already, get your man made up. We're not doing what we suppose to do. If that's what you think, you're absolutely wrong here, because I don't believe that at all. I don't believe that at all. Yeah, that's not the case. With my documentation, everything I've had. Okay, on here, shows that you are communicating. Yeah, exactly. And in Commissioner Western's defense, I don't think he meant any of that. That wasn't a meeting. Okay, I don't think that was it. I think he was trying to explain what happened at that meeting that he was in. Commissioner Lee, the same thing. Okay, and that's one reason it's like I tell you when I communicate with them. I have everything documented everything in dates I have everything in writing, okay, so that I can pull it out of show to everybody and that's the thing and I appreciate it I'm sorry and mr. White mr. White I Call you myself on several different okay, exactly and you've done a supreme job. Exactly. I appreciate that. Yeah. When it's on Facebook. Yeah. Hey man. We don't worry about it. We don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. No worry about it. No discussion. So people can hear this and know it because if we don't address it, that's when it gets out of hand. You know, if we sit back and said nothing, how would you know what she has just said? And she was telling other people the same thing, and let's we let you know what she said. And we put it on the agenda, so citizens can hear it, and they can get a dress. And I understand that truth. And I appreciate that. What are we doing? Even after we had told you what we were communicating, it still felt like in my spirit that you just didn't want to go along with it. I mean I'm just I'm just I'm real. I mean I thought I made it like from the very beginning. I don't I don't reason that was just put on the agendas because the citizen made a complaint and I understand I just I just can walk out with it on my chair. No I think you did the right thing. Yeah I think you need to be very. Yeah, I think you know, this is one thing I stay all the time and I've said it before in different means. Clear hearts, clear souls, clear mine. And then we walk out this room, okay, and that's the deal. So I thank you for stepping up saying, you. And keep on doing good job, man. I would not pay those Facebook posts any minute because it's Virginia people. And I don't have the answer to Virginia people. Yes. But when citizens in Bertie County are sending me those Facebook posts, then yeah, I have to step up and do something. So thank you for your comments and and that's troublesome about the acquisition of it just being the African American community. But I want to re-emphasize. That's troublesome. It's all about it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. more so than the feedback and I understand that. I understand why you brought all the homes back to address. Understand you know about now y'all doing and thank y'all for the. Thank you. Thank you. We've always been in your corner. Always. Always. Always. Now you know. And now the citizens of that's what's important. That's what's important. Thanks guys. See you all later. Sheriff, thanks. Thanks a lot. Okay. Next on the agenda is a tornado survivor update by DSS director, centiparian staff. Good morning. Good morning. This is in the parent direct and I have my staff in here supervising Rebecca Niel and social worker Donna Gioñar and they gonna give you all an update. Okay. At this time, y'all, we have four people that are stealing the RVs and they were informed that April 30 is the last day and they have to be out. It will inform verbally and in writing. We may contact with them this week. One of the residents is said that she can move back again until a nonprofit organization finished her repairs. Another resident, there's still looking and hoping that they'll find something soon. And another resident, they're looking at trying to go to an assisted living facility. And another resident we can't get in contact with. And one of the residents would like to know if they could buy the camp. And one of the residents would like to know if they could buy the camp. If it's to see you. So we still got about. Okay, we still got about four residents in the camp. We had two that we weren't sure about because we could not reach. We would probably need to drive down there and see them actually in the campus. In the basement. Yes. So that's where we're at now with the, with the campus, the resident in the campus. So four total. This man. And I was having a hard time hearing. you said the deadline is there six months extension is up April the 30th Right, we said a certified letter out to each one of the residents Okay Okay. The one that wants to buy the camper, that's not, I mean, they were given to us gifted to us. And we need to pay it forward if we can with those trailers. And anyways, I don't. Yes. Yeah. and I agree with that commissioner Lee and those campers aren't really meant or built to for long term rising you know. Long term long enough. Exactly. Exactly. So. All right. Canada, Van, you want to talk about some distributions, tornado funds, things of that nature. Yes, I would, chairman. So there's currently in the tornado relief on approximately 38,000 dollars left and with the residents making other arrangements and vacating those campers by the end of this month. I think the appropriate for us to distribute the remaining funds and And I would like to make a recommendation just for your consideration to divide that $38,000 among the residents who had the major damage where they were totally displaced. There were about 16 different families who were in the Australia campers. And if you distribute that evenly among all those 16 families, it would be approximately $2,500. And I think it would be ideal to give that to those families once they have finally vacated the premises of the camper. And of course, a 12 of those families have already done that. So if you consider that and vote for it. Are there any county attorneys, are there any legalities and r and refers to anything of this nature There is a restriction on where place I don't see any reason why we can't. Yeah, there we know a description. If we're first in the first and the same manner, the same purposes. Yeah, I know. Okay. Commissioner, Wes and suggested the mobile home park owners. I think they were hurt significantly. And it would be nice if we could do something for them. But I can say this, you know, this was citizens money. So it's not county money, right? Well, we decided to ask the county to distribute it. And we put those rules in place from day one. That's how we would distribute it. So I think with you some, right? Well, we decided was to ask the county to distribute it and we put those rules in place from day one as how we would distribute it. So I think what you're suggesting is in line with those rules that we put and we kind of updated them as we went along. But I think there's something to be said for that the owner of the trailer parks, right, who are primarily uninsured, where the probably as big a loses in this deal is everybody, because most of those things were there, a lot of them were there trailers and the whole works and they were destroyed. And they, we didn't do anything with them that I'm aware of. With the mobile home park owners. Yes, right. Other than paying the rent for each of the trailer cameras who were there for the past year and a half. That's right. And that's and that's significant, right? That was in the small thing. But I'm is I'm okay either way. If you think they deserve something else, fine. If not, we can go in as we. Okay. If legal does have an issue with the county managers recommend it Somebody will make a motion on the move Okay, we have a motion by mr. Roberson and a second by mr. Ackins all in favor. I Thank you All right, county management put this back to you upcoming travel Neko conference July 21 through the 24th or Colorado. Okay. Commissioners, we've had some discussion about the upcoming travel to Colorado and the purpose of finit on today's agenda is to confirm exactly who was planning to go so that we can plan up and budget appropriately as mentioned we'll have to do some changing around because as you know the line travel line item for the commissioners budget had been reduced during COVID and we picked travel backup so we will have to make some adjustments in order to make this happen but we do need to know it get a final count as to exactly who is planning to go so that we can plan accordingly. Yes, I guess I'm planning on going so on. And we need to choose a voting delegate. Also, I've got that email and sent that. Okay, I think look, Sean, this issue. Yeah, we'll put that on gender for next, for May, but if you wanna do that, now we can do that. Okay, if that's the case, and I'll make motion for Mr. Wesson to be the voting delegate. I'll second that. All in favor. Very good. Okay. And, gentlemen, I won't go out because of the budget. Okay, you know, I will set back and go another time when, you know, the budget is funded for travel. And that's myself also. Okay, commissioners Lee and Wes and plan into a 10. Yes. Okay. Okay. Next thing on the agenda is going to be Bertie County 300 anniversary celebration discussion. Mr. Watson. We'll speak on this. Yeah. I mean, it was brought to my attention as I mentioned. When I think our last meetings that this year will be the 300 anniversary of Child of Bertie County. We are one of the oldest counties in the state. In fact, one time we went the largest county in the state stretched all the way from almost 95 to the coast. So, you know, I mean, I think this is a historic occasion that we should not miss an opportunity to celebrate how we do that I think is what we need to consider. I think it's a great idea to perhaps put a committee together and ask that committee to come up with some ideas but I think we need to make sure that we're giving enough time to do something that's significant and something consequential not necessarily expensive however but, but consequential. I mean, whether or not something as big as this, we could certainly get the governor here. We could get other dignitaries, whoever the committee might think. But I think I know hope is aware of the 300 and at their last meeting, they made the suggestion that they'd like to open their grounds for something outside if we wanted to do like a gathering of picnic or whatever we've had a gathering, especially if we were thinking about somewhere in the Ron September time frame. I know the owners of Bonds for us has a museum here. And he's already been talking with the town at Windsor about wanting to celebrate something on around Labor Day, that's his thinking. But somewhere in September, I think, would be a good, give us enough time to plan, have something significant. We always do the traditional things, we could have a parade and all that. But my thinking would be nice to have someone like the governor come in maybe even a dance or something. We have a new facility with the library. Most people don't even know it's there. Give us a chance to perhaps use that in some way. But I think we need to make sure we're not talking about spending a lot of money, but we don't have it to spend. But if we have like some events like a dance, we could charge, because you can't, you know, you can't, everybody can't come, but if you could sell like some tickets, or we could get sponsors, look at what the NAACP did and their recent, they raised over $8,000 in sponsorships alone for their banquet, right? More than cover the cost of the banquet. If we wanted to use something like the grounds that hope those can be used for free, right? Or whatever else we might want to do, right? But I think not just one specific thing, but maybe something over a couple of days or a weekend would be a nice way to really celebrate. This doesn't come around very often, 300 years. Just my general thing. Oh, I didn't know I didn't offer to do that. You didn't hear that. But I think that the committee that we had that was doing the. Pandemic, I mean that's already put together. I mean could they not do this or the ones that my task force will like the. Yeah, exactly. Planning for be stay in river. Absolutely. Absolutely. Our task force will like the planning for B.C. and River Fats. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that works out good. I think we didn't need to do that, but I think we also made sure that it's inclusive of people from larger part of the county too. Not just county government, right? But citizens to town of Windsor, other towns, people would like to be involved in it. And I folks from Hope would love to put in, they got some money to offer. I think the grounds location, I hope, would be perfect place. That would be nice. Can we delegate Mr. Beaks to put together the organize committee? That would be great. Yeah, I think Steve, we really know who those players should be. And a lot of folks, I think, might want to sponsor this, right? So we, you know, good, we, you know, I'm not thinking that we, the county should be putting on a lot of money in this thing, but I think we can get sponsorships, things that people would like to come to, something's gonna be free, that other switch sponsor. So. Okay, so that was the purpose of putting on the agenda to get your feedback to hear exactly what you would like to be included in this so that we can plan forward and so that we can budget for it too. Okay. You have other ideas please let us know and we'll be in planning. Okay. Thank you. Yes sir. I think next thing we have on our agenda is going to be a close session. Chairman before we show close session. Sorry. We omitted the Bertie County on call policy. I'm sorry you did what? Just before Neko upcoming travel 1120. Bertie County. Okay, I see it now. Okay. All right. Does everybody have chance to read this? No, I mean. Director, uh, Ward is prepared to give you an overview so that you don't have to read. You get all right. I feel summarize exactly what you heard me say, Doctor Ward, right? Okay. And this ward. That's right. Okay. Feel summarized exactly what you heard me say, Dr. Ward, right? Okay. And this ward. That's right. The PhD in the policy. I'm just getting ready. I'll just say this warded myself for a clear day at the middle school and this ward didn't have a standard job for representing Georgia County out there. Yeah. I break time. day at the middle school and this work is an outstanding job representing the county out there. Yes, we did. We really enjoyed mingling with the children. So we recently discussed the need to review and possibly update Article 3 Section 13 of the Virtual County Personnel Policy titled On-Call and Callback Compensation. through section 13 of the virtual county personnel policy titled on call and call back compensation. This section of our policy refers back to title 29 part 778517 of the Code of Federal Regulation. This section discusses the difference between what we would consider on call and stand by as they title them engaged to wait or waiting to be engaged respectively. When employees on call or is engaged to wait, they are to receive compensation for the period of time that they are engaged to wait due to the fact that they are significantly restricted in the personal activity and or task that they would otherwise participate in. When employees what we would call standby is on what we would call standby, it's on what we would call standby, or as the regulation titles it waiting to be engaged, this time does not need to be compensated as activities are not substantially limited during this period. That being said, we have taken a look at the policy as it's currently written, and would like to propose an updated version of this section. In a nutshell, we are recommending that we essentially use language directly from 29 CFR 78517 within our local policy. And if I can direct your attention to the second page or do you guys have? The recommended page, the recommended changes. Yes, the top of this is recommended. The recommended page, the recommended changes. Yes. At the top it says recommended changes. That's the one that we're proposing today. Two pages. Second. The piece of this section that has the most significant change is paragraph three. We recommend that this paragraph as is currently written be completely replaced. With what is it? I tell a size. Yes. Okay. Yes. That's the section I'm referring to. Do we have another copy to your policy? I have a copy for you. I have a copy for you. So. So, no, it's okay. So just that it's starting with in accordance with the FLSA requirements and employee who is required to remain on call on employees premises employers premises or so close there too that he or she cannot use the time effectively for his or her own purposes is working while on call. If an employee is working while on call, then they shall be paid at their regularly early rate. An employee who is not required to remain on the employer's premises, but is merely required to leave word with county officials where he or she may be reached or carrying a cell carrying a cell phone while waiting to be engaged is not working while on call if an employee is not considered to be considered to be working while on call then this time shall not be compensated. The other sections of the original policy captures relevant relevant information about our local on call, which we recommend remain within the policy. It's consistent with other counties or doing consistent with the law. It's consistent with the law. I have not done research into how other counties are handling their on-call policy. Yes, ma'am. Actually, I have done research prior to this. Already it was fairly familiar with the law in the CFR and I've reviewed this policy and I do approve it. I think it's well written. One of my biggest suggestions, I mean, we wanted to first start talking about on call versus standby. I didn't like how the old policy used on call and standby interchangeably because those can mean two different, totally different things. It's engaged to wait, awaiting to be engaged. That, you know, I don't even like use the word standby. So you're on call and you're paid if you're engaged to wait and you're not on call and you're not paid if you're waiting to be engaged. And so I think this version well states that. I've looked at some other town and county policies. This is very similar to what other towns and counties have done. I saw one town that just gave all kinds of examples. I don't think we need to do that. I think the law pretty much speaks for itself. We've cited the law exactly as it's written in the Code of Federal Regulations. And so I think it's well stated. No, of course, and I think it's something to monitor about the issue. So if I'm that individual who is, I have my cell phone and you may call, and if you do, then obviously I'd compensate it, right? If you are called back at that point. Okay. And how does that compensation work when I'm called back? So in the next paragraph, the call back section, it basically states that non-exempt employees will be guaranteed a minimum of two hours upon callback at their regular rate. And of course, if it's over 40 hours then. It's time to have that over time, the vision comes in. And it starts from the time they call caught or the time they were patch or they could be poor. That is something that we should discuss. So with the state when I had fine with have started once I got caught and was proceeded to wear the hostage situation and situation. Okay. I would think that would be correct. They're going to the scene of an incident and not going to office. I would think for like law enforcement, absolutely as soon as they enter their vehicle, you know, they are duty. Right. But when you think about like. I like it. Yeah. I think as soon as they get the phone call. Yeah, because they got to get ready to go. So that's part of the engagement, right? Yeah. Yeah. Can they call with that? All right. Any other questions on the board? This must be what the state is also. Because I think you know, hearing and self-confidently. Any other questions from the side have the supply of the law or say they're not compensated for basic policy or not compensated for making calls. According to what we discussed last time, we said that you had done some research into that kind of. Well, yeah, when it this it depends it depends on the circumstances. This says that depends on the circumstances. This says that it cites the main portion of the law, which is that if while you're on call, if you're so restricted, first of all, if you're either on the employer's premises or so close, there too that he or she cannot use the time effectively for his or her own purposes, then you're working on call and you get compensated. So that would apply to any sheriff's deputy if that. You know, there is if those facts apply if the facts of his case apply where his time is is basically the purpose of his time is is where he is clearly engaged to a weight, then he gets paid for it. If he can use that time for his own personal purposes, whether it be doing something around the house, the yard, going somewhere, watching an event, attending an event, but have his pager, then he's waiting to be engaged and he's not paid. So, how does it supply a law enforcement, it applies a law enforcement exactly the same way that it applies to somebody in the water department or somebody in HR. It just, you apply this to whatever facts that your dealing with. That way it remains flexible. That way if the, if with the sheriff's deputies you're doing now is not on call and it's not paid, but the sheriff decides, well, you know, like next month there's a reason to do things differently, and those deputies are more restricted, and they effectively cannot use their time while they're on call for their own purposes, and then they should be paid. So it just depends on the circumstances. purposes and then they should be paid. So it just depends on on the circumstances. Any other questions? It worked. How do manager was looking into those circumstances. Correct. And I still am and we'll talk about that. I was done with that in college at the county commission. Yes. We don't want to see it. My data. I want to feel that until it hits home. When I have the crime scene going on, then I need them. Yes, but until it hits your home, it just detects that have 45 minutes or hour. I'm going to say that's not the current. But wouldn't that fall into criteria that, uh, attorney Huddleson brought up? I mean, as soon as he gets that call, he gets paid. He starts getting paid. I would think that would be the. When that's the case, right? If you feel like you, you're needing that person to be ready and available. That's how they've been the whole entire time on being honest with you. Well, no, I think that's exactly what the, if I'm not mistaken, the attorney just said. Under those circumstances, if there's a crime scene and he needs them, then they are. Any situation that they, uh, what was the word you used? Well, we'd be sure to understand which phase we're talking about. Because certainly when they're called and they're actually engaged, they're not, I mean, they're, they're, they're engaged. Now, the question that we had to face and with this policy is trying to address without being, without trying to take on every single factual circumstance, which it really can't, it would be 40 pages long. Right. There's a lot of caseload out there by the courts that say, well, okay, here's a fact circumstance. And so you should pay these people while they were waiting. Other cases say, well, no, you don't pay somebody in this case when they're waiting. Right. So there's all kinds of caseload, but yeah, there's no question that when someone is paged or called and they got a jump, they got to change their clothes, they get paid and if that's, if that's, that puts them over 40 hours, they get paid. Tom and Huh. Yeah. Yeah. So there's no question about that. And the deputies are entitled, certainly entitled to that. The question that that that that this policy tries to address is while they're waiting to get that call. Are they waiting to be engaged or are they actually so restricted in what they're doing in that wait time that they're engaged to wait and should be paid. So we talked about circuit stances. with your, with your, with your technical serve or what you're saying on call because you need them to respond to a seat. Are they able to get out and go to the grass or good wall bar or that's, that's where this policy comes in effect. If they, if they can do all those things they're waiting to be engaged. Exactly. Yes. So they're not getting paid. I think it's. conversation was shared. Very beginning he was stipulating that we're not required by law. Pay these deputies. I think he was doing that. And I think most of this conversation we've had as well not be required by law to pay these people. And I think he spoke from the very beginning, at least from my understanding that he understood we weren't required by law he was simply asking that we compensate if someone would be called a colonel, seemed like it's the right thing to do, just getting harder and harder and harder, hard to hire law enforcement officers. And it is all of the things that I'm just going to have to figure out how to start compensating an officer over the hire and keep it. So correct me if I'm wrong Sheriff, I don't like this was a legal discussion from the very beginning, at least in your request. That was my understanding. And so I don't. From my understanding attorney Holtosson was involved because you thought that we were the kind of was required to pay the officers overtime. And I thought that's what the whole question was, whether or not we were required to pay your officers who you called on call. I knew to for a long yes idea. Okay. Wasn't what happened. You're not talking about turning calls about the law. That's all that's what I think. Right. Right. So we're a bit. Great. We have a hard time getting law enforcement. But we, that, if we were going to go with that process, that would have had any employee that we had. That we certainly can't pay them all for sitting home. But they're right. Well, how many people are on call? Well, for us to see that, that's why the flexibility should be with the sheriff. Because, John, for your example, if you have an event, right, that's what's happening I did, you may know I need two deputies there, right? So those people don't call. But there may be a situation where, well, I may need a backup, and that person needs to be restricted, restricted, so that they are available, restricted, so they are available. As opposed to somebody else who is just, maybe I'll call you, maybe I won't. I think it's maybe I need you, maybe I don't. That's a different to me. Correct me if I'm wrong here specifically. I think we can talk specific terms here because you may have a specific request. Correct me if I'm wrong at some point. If you have investigators, he does not have investigators actually I work all night long because you don't have enough investigators to work 24-7 and most of the working investigators do has to be done in the daytime or most of it can't be done tonight. Some of it has to be done in the middle of the night most of it can't be done in the middle of the night but you have to have an investigator available all the time to be able to call who can answer the phone immediately and respond immediately. And he was asking that these investigators specifically, these investigators, during times when there's well-not investigator working, but had to be had to answer the phone and respond immediately when they were called in a crime scene, be compensated something for that time that they were restricted. And I think what the sheriff said, or what Jonathan said, I'm sorry, is when they get that phone call, that's when they start getting paid. I don't think there's any question that legally you have to do with them. I don't think there's any question that, say we're turning this into a legal conversation. And he's not asking, I don't think we're asking for to be a legal conversation. We're asking them to be compensated from something to be at all costs. I think you're stipulated that we don't probably don't legally have to compensate those. But Greg, the way you described it, would kind of seem that then you're always available and you get where you have to pay them regardless. That's where the state, because if I'm an investigator, I thought you an example was, I'm an investigator. I'm not specifically, I thought you an example was, I'm an investigator. I'm not specifically working that time, but I am available in case something happens. So I need to be compensated for that time period. I believe we have our own call schedule. We'll actually have a rotation of a specific, of a specific investigator that he calls. That's my point. So distinction is when you make that decision, this is the person you need on call, right? On call for this, it case something happens. To me, that's a different category. That's a good category to purchase, you become. But according to Jonathan, if they're on call, but they're not restricted in their movements and they're at home cutting grass or whatever, then they're still not being compensated. You turn this into a legal ground. But if he puts him on a schedule as being somebody who's scheduled, on call, I thought that was the difference. As opposed to somebody who's not on schedule. No, I don't think that I'm scheduled. That there's not restricted. No, no, because you can still. So if I'm a person, if I'm a person who's definitely on a set, I'm a person, I'm a person to definitely actually, my name's Terry. That's all I call the serious crime. I want her now. One is I can get her. Sure. And- But being compensated or not compensated, is that gonna- You're still restricted. If he's done great, he's He's Gonna take him some time to get the rest of all I mean, well no, I agree with that. I mean because as soon as you make that phone call Hey, we've got a murder scene. We need you here ASAP. He should start getting paid right then right? We are except from the car. He's up. That's what I'm saying from the call for the car. We clear that what you call the sheriff is saying from the call. If people come to get compensated though then they it needs to their movement means there needs to be restricted correct Jonathan and so have on that office. I'm just gonna ask you something to hopefully not be sitting at this deal. But that would apply to Ricky. It would apply to Anthony. It would apply, I mean, because not necessarily. This is for time not not exempt employees here. Exempt employees don't get overtime. Or they don't. Well, right. We're doing that. What other guy needs to be? Right. We're doing that. What are the I think the way that so this was presented this way because it was our understanding that this was a legal thing thinking that we absolutely had to pay them. So that's why it was presented the way that it was but it looks like the sheriff is resting. I mean we're clear on where we are now with the policy we're recommending where we don't have to pay someone who is on call if they're at home, cutting grass can go to Walmart, but they need to be available. We don't have to, but it sounds like the sheriff is now requesting that the board consider that that happens so that they can be paid just for being available. And if we do that, there will be others that this will affect, and mainly, well, like you said, non-exempt employees who will mainly at this point include EMS as well as a sheriff, because they're not receiving any of that. So, and only EMS, none of the other, so like Ricky and Anthony are. Not Ricky and Anthony, because again, that's something that we were talking about before we have to continue those conversations they are exempt employees so and they have a policy was passed for you know how how they operate. But when it comes to not exempt employee especially first responders would be the sheriff and EMS who would be affected by this particular decision if we say we're going to pay them for being available to be on call. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, man, I was talking about the MS. I have a good idea how many men I was talking about here. I have a lot of you. Yeah, I can't say that. But if we want to talk about exactly what those hours are for the share of an EMS, and I can get some more information bringing to you back if that's something that both wants to consider. Nothing. Does it make a difference? Help me understand. Does it make a difference if I've got five investigators, right? Yes. But I put two of them on schedule, meaning that you specifically are going to be the first to call in case there's an incident. Am I restricting them or treating them differently? Then I treat those other investigators who are not on schedule? That's my argument that the sheriff could he have the flexibility to be able to say you're scheduled as that all come person to person who is going to get the first call. As opposed to someone who is investigated, but I'm not on call. Right. So thank you. as opposed to someone who's investigated, but I'm not on call today. So, thanks for your question. I could get called in if I did. Fine, I know you're gonna say. Yes and no, based on the definitions of waiting to be engaged and engaged to be waiting. No, they wouldn't be engaged to be waiting, but, but, I guess that's what the sheriff is requesting. He's requesting that you pay them while they're waiting to be engaged. But not all of them. I thought it was saying specific, or who were scheduled. Exactly. So if people want to say these two are, are going to be on call this week, which means they're waiting to be engaged, upon force, decision or approval, those two can be paid for waiting to be engaged. But as it is written right now, it's pretty much how FLSA says it, it has to be about law, but of course we can do something beyond that. I don't want to turn this to a legal compensation because what I can try to get us away from, but isn't this the president's that reverence is the amount of time in which someone on call has to respond and that, and that relevant to the power district that all there. There's about 10 different factors that you got to consider. Um, the, how fast they have to respond is one of the factors. So if, if they, if they're free to do what they want to, all they're waiting, but when they're called, they got to be wherever they got to be in five minutes. Well, that does restrict them some to some extent on where they can be. They can't necessarily be, you know, necessarily a movie theater an hour away. They got to think, given the extreme example here, but five minutes response time, then that would start tipping the scale towards them being engaged to wait. No, there was being paid for that time. And you also have to consider, there's just a ton of other things to consider. And I can go through a lot of those, but that's only about a minute. I have a conversation with you. I'm gonna ask the same issue. There was a court press at the state that they had a respond within 45. It of the head of respond within 45, it's one head of respond within 45 minutes that they probably had to be compensated. I'll see you in a minute. No, sir. I didn't see anything that emphasized the response time that heavily, especially if it's 45 minutes to an hour. Birthday counted, that would be tough. Even if you're dressed and ready to go. Yeah, from, from, from, from, I'm being restricted. I mean, we've got a wilderness time here, which is 20 minutes. I mean, that's how it's set up for EMS. Just speaking for myself, I'd like to have the other information as far as what EMS person on the hours we're talking about, things of that nature, so we can actually put everything together okay and then have a conversation and reference to it is just the two detectives that are all in call not the other five I'm using as an example but if you can get that information back I mean that that's how I would like myself personally as a rest of the board, okay, with that. I'm fine with that, Trimman, but at the same time, I let my attorney to research. If I'm being restricted, then I need to get paid. Because a handicap means from doing what I could be, if I could be, if I'm restricted, that mean I can't be able to work in the second job doing some meals. Right, it's the law states that it's the extent of the restriction. So even some restriction does not automatically legally required to be paid. Like for instance, like for instance, with law enforcement or EMS, you can't have any alcohol in your system when you get that call. So there's case all that says, even though you're restricted, you cannot drink alcohol while you're waiting. That's not enough of a restriction to tip it to where your employer has to pay you while you wait. And that's why I think that there's a difference between individuals in the same position who are scheduled as the first calls in case of a situation or schedule. Their time should be more restricted because they're scheduled. They can't be a zillion miles away. Okay. But also they still have some flexibility in their day. That would be the same thing for MMS as well. If they were scheduled as those first folks who would be called if need be. To me, that's a difference. Only have one at best. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. It was one at a time when they rotated. That's why I was two within the month. Got it. The CMS have anything like that? But they're rotating. I see that's the point. I don't know. The CMS have something like that too. Or I can't say exactly how it works. Work on that way. But again, I can find out we can bring back in. And that's the reason I brought the subject up. I mean, let's get all the information. No, they're actually careful. They're actually giving them incentives. You can take them. You said they give them incentives. Is that what you said when they own call where are they the office waiting to be? No, no, no. Yes, they pay for that. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. It's not. Synergy, I'm not talking low on some. And that's why we need the other information, reference EMS. Even our policy now. Even our policy now specifically states correctly that if you're actually told you got to be at the sheriff's department while you wait, then you get paid. Exactly. So that's an example of the other end of the restrictions. Right. And Mr. Lesson just being like just being on a schedule is not enough for the law to say that you should be paid but it could be enough for the county you know the county commissioners decide well I know we don't we don't require by law but we can pay them some. I think there might be more details to be on the schedule they I just should name it on there for clerk commission options standpoint. If that means I've got to be able to respond with an X amount of time. If I've got to be, you know, more than just out doing whatever I want to do. Yeah. And that is to some degree, restrictive. Right. You start out. But it's planned, right? Because I know that I'm on a sketch. I'm the person that's going to be called. Right. Right. Right. Couple of things that are relevant and I'll and I'll end there because I we could talk more about it later or you can continue to talk if you want to discuss it. are entitled to swap shifts of being on call. That is a factor that lends itself to not being paid. Another factor is how many times on an average shift are they called to a scene, if they're only called once every other day, once a week. If you get to an extreme situation once every other day, once a week. If you get to an extreme situation once every two weeks, you're moving more and more towards not getting paid. But if you're called multiple times every night, and your response time is really short, and it restricts you in such a way, and you start lumping other restrictions onto that, you get closer and closer to being paid. It just depends on all the factors. About having to respond repeatedly. About having to respond to what? Well, when you say respond, you mean start moving or actually get. Start, start, oh, you have to respond. Well, I think they all, even the ones, there were many, many cases where people were not paid to wait when they had to respond immediately. Let me have it to be where you're supposed to be. Yeah, that's right. Right. Here's how my response sounds. Getting to wherever you're supposed to be. I just remember what I went through this in the past. You know, the word immediately came up. You had to respond immediately, that threw you into a different category. Then you had to define immediately. Well, that would be, yeah, that would be physically impossible if it didn't contain any of that. There was a court president, again, there's been a long time, it was still there. I mean, it may have been, may have been changed by now, but there's still, and there was a court president saying that if you had to respond within 45 minutes, then that would probably be the least of 45 minutes. That was repeatedly. And I remember at the time there was some state agencies that didn't want to compensate if people saying that they had only had to respond within an hour. That way they felt like they didn't have to compensate it based on this course. Yeah, there's court cases out there that have 45 minutes to an hour where they're in the result based on all the fact You was the person does not need to be compensated there are there were some there now. I'd love to if you can remember specifically if it's a specific 45 minutes to an hour period I can start I can do remember, I did go through the same thing. And I remember that word of being like a difference and having to define immediately as the number of 45 minutes came in there as a court president immediately. Yeah. And order was involved in this too. What did we do? So I, he and I talked. Yeah. He was trying to remember things that you're trying to remember. And he could not, yeah, he couldn't give me a case name specifically or a particular year or a particular court. So I just did a very broad search and gathered everything that I felt was reasonable. And there are a lot of good resources on this. There's the case law, state and federal. There's also information from the Institute of Government that gives a good summary of the law you know I looked at all of that and yeah yeah okay I've said what I had to say is more in agreement with that and we have to forget the table until we get the other information. Okay. All right. This time I'd like to take a five minute break and then we'll be Oh, yeah. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to be a closed session. I have a motion going to close. Second. your close session. You have a motion to go to close session. No, second. Second. All in favor. Aye. Okay. We're in close session. On other items needed. You need to let the folks back in. Lesha, do you let everybody back in? Thank you, Chair. We train. Okay. Under other items needed. Last week we got a call from Dr. Riggs in reference to some travel that he wants to have in Bertie Canyon in reference to different areas that have to conform to tall glass of water. There's many people that are going to be with him. They want to see the project, things of that nature. He's just a commissioner, western to myself, be the host of this thing, bring the board and make them aware of that. Is there anything else you want to add to that? What entails being the host? As far as being with them on a boat. Oh, okay. No calls to the county. No, okay. Not that I know of. Okay. Matter of fact, two people bring their own boat. So that's the deal. We haven't decided on how they're going to handle their logic and stuff. No. And that's, you know, but they could be pretty much up to them. And we could go from there. And let me say this. I think what Dr. Riggs wants to do is to bring these people together so they can physically see the project and have them all together, they have dialogue about it. I think there are any decisions that are going to be made or anything like that. So the rest are sure that none of that would happen. But I think these people and people can explore the project in a very positive way. I don't say one other thing that because only because it relates to this, the grant that was just applied for the decision as to if that grant goes forward to the subcommittees will be made today. So we will know today if that million dollar plus grant is going to get considered as a earmark. If it does not, don't worry, we can still apply directly to USDA, but then you got to go through all the retic. So the, what, um, Butterfield's office sent out will be done today. Oh, they said it's six days. The airport did one, A whole bunch of. It's going to be interesting. Twenty one million dollars. How that's going to be split up. Who knows, but only those who go forward will be considered. You still going to get dropped out later on, but not likely. Look out, we asked for 1.6. Yeah, perfect. County has for several million for one project. We're hoping our small little bit of money we ask for will get yeah and we're aviation and not yeah okay. It was a separate category. All right there's not anything else. Have a most two just sorry we guess up now. Yes or just one thing about the property where vitamin is located. The county and vitamin as you know have been in a long term lease. Vitamin's been leasing the property from the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county property, and I saw this on the property tax maps, there's the overall Biden property, part of its in town, part of its out of town. So it's got two pin numbers there, but there's a little tiny sliver of land that is the result of the county conveying a small pump station to the town and then rural health. And for some reason, the pump station property is at an angle. It's not straight, it's not like a straight square. It's like at a turn square. And so that creates a little triangular sliver that's smaller than the size of that desk that you're sitting behind. I've gone out and looked at it. And you can't even tell us there if you weren't looking at the tax maps and unless you looked at the deeds. Viden's attorney said, you know, we really don't want that little sliver. It's not connected to our park and a lot. It's not connected to anything. We would rather you guys just keep that. Is that okay? You know, I guess theoretically we could say no, the contract says we will convey you all this proper you have to take it but I don't you know the county could just simply Not convey that that little piece and then Then not convey it divide it but just convey it to the town because that we don't need it It's not that you can't even do anything with it. They got a pump station right there. Yeah, they get it to dig up whatever. Yeah, it's actually, yeah, it's, it's like it's not part of the parking lot where the rural health is. It's actually part of what you, if you look at it, you would think it's part of the pump station. It's just a little piece right outside their fence. So well, the town owns the pump station. the town owns the pump station. The town is like four feet of something. Well, that's a good question. I mean, technically when you do a deed, the person, the grantee has to accept that deed. And what I was thought I'd do is call out on the castle and just say, would you accept? And I'll say, here's the pin number. You can look it up. Our all-gale facts, you all probably emailing a copy of it. Say, will you please accept this because the county doesn't want it? I mean because there could be liability for owning, I mean, you know, county has insurance. I doubt anything's going to happen on that little triangle, but still why would we continue to own it? It's better off owned by the town. Okay. I'm in agreement with the attorneys recommending. Okay. And we get a whole up Mr. Castelo and have that quick deeded over to the town if they will accept it right Okay, and let Biden move on with their surveying and they can weed it out as you were saying that's is everybody in agreement with Yeah As a easement to begin then we're calling that equipment Okay, exactly. Yeah, it gives me a little more elbow room I would like to have a motion in a vote because it is conveying County proper motion. Please make a motion that have the attorneys contact the town of Windsor. In reference to this piece of property and convey it to the town if they accept. So move. We got a first and second all in favor favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. Now. Thank you. I have an out something I want to say. I know everybody's help. Just the town of Calford did a, um, it was they up there great for fire. and now those outside of where the fire hydrants are or anyways the I'll get it straight in a minute now. So the fire department itself is a six now which will greatly reduce everyone's insurance which is absolutely wonderful news for the folks in the town of Kelford so congratulations to that go to the right. Okay, I'll make a motion to move forward. Mr. Weston just said all in favor. Ah, all right. I have a motion to adjourn, please. I'll make a motion. We adjourn. Thank you.