I didn't lie on a budget. So an approval for that. And then the requisite contract associated with that PD body camera and car camera requests. So, right, items on the consent agenda. Now did everybody get a chance to read the memo about how this is paid out over five years? It's in our CIP, but the first year, it's $99,000, I believe it is somewhere in that vicinity, but in the next four years, it's less than that. So does anybody have any questions to make sure everybody understands how much. And then the good news about this, the way I read it is the company that we're buying these from will replace them at no charge did I read that correctly? I don't want to say no charge because nothing's free but that's part of the the compensation is those would be replaced and I would ask Chief Frank's to correct me if I'm wrong there, but that's my understanding. Chief, are you on the call? Yes, sir. I'm here. And that's correct. The body cams were replaced at two and a half years, and the end-car cameras were replaced at five years. All right. Anybody have any questions for Chief or for Alex? And I do wanna say thanks to Alex for providing all that information. I originally had some questions around it and so he did provide all the extra data there for us. So I appreciate it. You're welcome, Council members. It was really all of the Franks and Miss Grouse, but so I wanna to recognize them. Thank you. All right, can I get a motion to? Mayor, I'll make the motion to approve the consent agenda as presented with the minutes from the 622 meeting and the three budget amendments. I do have a correction these may be made in the minutes. If I could amend council member Paxton's motion in that under public comments the name capture just on the speaker's and the actual. We have a committee chair in s. Beak Wilder. B-E-E-K-W-I-L-D-E-R. All right. Aaron, can you make that change for us, please? Yes, sir. No problem. All right. So I think your motion still stands as presented with the Mr. Martin's corrections on the minutes and the public comments. So can I get a second? I'll say. Well, second by Stephen Ares, all in favor. Say hi. Hi, all poods. All right. As having on the consent agenda. Next up is the reports. The only report I have is stopped by town hall yesterday and I stopped in, I told Alex I stopped in a couple weeks ago and I was surprised how little work that had been done on second floor renovations but I stopped in there Sunday and I was surprised how much work had been done. So Alex looks like your office is almost ready to move in so I'm glad to see some results there. So I appreciate you letting the fire on them. Can you call her your phone? I'm sure. But once I have, I can still look at it. Who? That's what I'm looking for. That was all the things you were talking about. There you go. You mute, you mute, and you're hearing? Yes, sir. All mute. You mute in the airing. Yes, sir. All right. So that's all I had. All right. Let's report from Council members. Mr. Martin. Yeah, I just wanted to cover real quick. I was fortunate enough to attend the 2050 Union County. Kind of growth. Carp race of land use plan that's being put together along with a water and sewer discussion over the Western Union County Staff member Len Harrow was there as well Major takeaways from that Union County residents over well when they supported the advanced scenario which plans utilities and targeted growth areas, limits open sprawl, and prioritizes quality of life concerns. Vast majority in Union County is a western edge. Vast majority growth in Union County is along the western edge, along the Meck border. The overwhelming majority of Union County districts have a head of 0% growth rate in the last few years with any new residential housing. Less than 35% of the residents in many areas of Western Union County work in Union County and this is especially true in stallings. The overwhelming majority of property tax in Union County comes from the Western edge, Jason Tamek. Municipalities support the entire county. The county stress that residential homes to add to the additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional additional residential services and in county services. Take aways from the water sewer discussion with the county board of commissioners. Union County has been historically and is continuing to be hesitant to spend money to solve problems in the growing area of Union County. They've repeatedly delayed taking action last few years and now we're coming up against a critical mass on certain things. The Unicanny Board of Commissioners passed a motion for county staff to start researching what it would take for municipalities to have to pay for capacity for sewage. There are moratoriums likely coming up and stallings in Indian trail as the capacity of the wastewater Management plan at 12-mile Creek is approaching 90 percent We've had multiple overflow events with that Creek with that wastewater plant in At recent period of time that has result in the state kind of coming down on Union County at recent period of time that has resulted in the state kind of coming down on Union County. There are system development fees being discussed for new connections with Water and Sewer, but the County commissioners don't know if these cover them that they're costs. And the staff did, the county staff did stress development is gonna continue despite a potential moratorium. They highlighted private wastewater plants that we've seen in the county, specifically one that's servicing country woods east and I believe Emerald Lake here in Stollings. So I've placed the presentations and some commentary out on my council Facebook site and on next door. So the community is aware. Thank you. exciting on next door so the community is aware. Thank you. Mayor can I ask a question? Yes, ma'am. John when they talked about the break even point being at 350 that's primarily to fund schools. Did they talk about whether that was for one child in school or more than one, because the Kibbens report has always reported a higher number for more than one child. That's for one child. That's what I thought. Thank you. All right. Is that it, John? Yep. Thank you. Thank you for that report. All right. Is that it John? Yep. Thank you. Thank you for that report. All right, David. Sorry about that. I was unfortunately able to attend that meeting. We are airing on the safety or the safer side of COVID. So I decided that with the large number of folks that would be there, I decided that John Handleton, he did a great job, brought back a lot of good information. And that's all I have. Hey, can you give the council and the update on the divide greens and how, you know, to me, that's a significant investment in the course of your benefit us. us a significant investment in the core spare company, you know, benefit us. Well, this heat has really taken a drastic toll on the greens at the divide. I was just absolutely blown away. I went, I usually go a little kind of once a week or more often, but it then two weeks. And between the times I've been to the divides putting green, it was like what the heck happened? Well, apparently all of the greens were like that. They were burnt out, they were beyond anything I'd seen at the divide in years. And they were actually in pretty good shape this spring. Anyhow, bottom line is the divide has closed the course temporarily till right after Labor Day and I drove by today and we'll be doing drone videos for them. They're going to replace them. So today they begin the process of tearing out the old sod and we'll be putting in a newly developed or newer developed, I forget which style is oyster it is, but it's developed and used during other golf courses in this region and is developed to handle the heat, the humidity way better than what the divide had put in originally 30 years ago. So this is really good news. The courses in pretty good shape, rather than that, and by the time these greens come in, they expect them to be, they take about five, six weeks to get established. They're not gonna be perfect when they open back up, but by about a month after that come October-ish. I expect our greens here to be like top notches. This is a significant investment in the upkeep of the divide and very good sign that things are going to go well there going forward. So I'm super excited to see the progress and the investment and look forward to a lot of golf to divide. Thank you, David. You have significant investment. Thank vote. Thank you, David. You have significant investment. Thank you. All right, Linda. I have one item. I think everybody will be interested in including our residents. Everybody's been asking when is the DOT going to catch up with their funding schedule and get the projects back on the books. And David Wasserman will be speaking to that question at the carpow meeting on September the 16th and that will be a Zoom presentation so anyone who's interested in hearing his information should tune in that night and I'll send out something to Council prior to that meeting so that everyone is reminded. Thank you Linda. All right Heather. Council prior to that meeting so that everyone is remonded. Thank you, Linda. Heather? Nothing exciting over here. All right. Steven. Sir, I don't have anything report, but I do want to brag on our staff. I've had a list of running items that I go through with Alex. Every time we have a discussion. And I mean, they have really knocked it out of the park. July was a stellar month. I don't know if everybody knows, but we've had, we have some houses that used to be in Indian trail, but everybody thinks they're part of Stalin's because they were off of a road that is pretty close to our proximity. And our town working with Indian trail has had all those houses demolished. They were in really bad shape, overgrown, great stuff there. Also, they've been working with the folks that are downtown, the only two houses that are boarded off in D.K. and cleaning that land up. And so they've been working through that at a number of other items that they've been working on over the last month that were just on my list of things that have been brought to my attention for our area. So just appreciate Alex, the whole staff for working on that to get that done. I know that Colleen's been instrumental in a number of those items. And Chief's been instrumental in a number of those items and she's been instrumental in most of those items, so I do appreciate it. I also want to take a moment just to brag on our parks and rank team. I don't know if everybody follows the park as parks and rank, but obviously all the plans that they had laid out over the course of this year completely got destroyed with the COVID-19 and they've just been making sure that they're still engaging. They've been really just putting together a whole number of programs throughout the different different weeks, different months while we've been in lockdown and just really appreciate the fact that they just didn't drop the ball and walk away, that they continued to engage. And so I really appreciate everything that they've been doing to really keep the community moving forward with all the small little things that they've been putting together and people have been able to participate in. So again, Alex, I don't know if everybody's on here, but pass it on. Great job. All right. Thank you Great job. All right. Thank you, Steven. All right, Brad. I just briefly down here representing the South in the Stylings. Look at my window. It does in the cars cutting through our neighborhood for the roundabout construction. It's going very well. I want to give thanks to two francs for extra patrols circling down through the streets. We've got about 90% of the people driving very, very slowly through my street. Most of the traffic has been detoured off of Chestnut and Pleasant Plains, which is good. So thank you, Chief. We've got one or two bad actors out here that Dave Marcelli, who's on the call probably a night, is working with me and Joe McLaughlin to citizens arrest if we could ever figure out who that is. And the face of Chestnut down here is changing. I would invite all the council members down Bob Reagan. I think I heard him on the call earlier in Joe McLaughlin, our H.O.A. president, took a walk around Chestnut and Solas project the other day. And rooflands are starting to be shown and the scale and size of that project is pretty phenomenal. The land it's taking and I think it's going to be a nice looking project when it's done. So a lot to be done. I want to thank everybody and invite you down here to the south end of town. All right. Thank you, Brad. All righty. Next up is a report from a town manager. Thank you, Mayor, and good evening again to everyone. Three items I would like to touch on very briefly. The Kat's light rail alignment and update on that. An update on the submission of our CARES Act application in a greenway update and it's last June. So with that being said, I'd like to invite Jason Lawrence from Katz. Very professional. We've been working with him and I believe some of the council members have met Jason and Aaron if you could pull up Jason's presentation and we'll let Jason kind of take the council through some of those alignment options. Appreciate you coming out Jason. Appreciate you coming out Jason. Absolutely. I mean I guess if coming out means turning on my computer at my house I Are commute times I'm on time to meetings a lot more now because I just I just changed windows on my computer So really appreciate you while giving us some time to To talk about the link silver line. Thank you mayor and council and I certainly have I met a few of you over the years. Actually Brad Richardson, I used to work together back at the city many years ago. We were all glad against you. Yeah, that's right, thank you. But so I've met a few of you a few times and hopefully we can all meet together and get in person. We've had a great pleasure working with land and all its on this effort and we've been on this for a couple of years now. So I'll just go maybe to say next slide there and give you a brief kind of framing of what this is all a part of. And you know, Mecklenburg County, which started talking about rapid transit about 20 years ago and developed a five-quarter rapid transit system plan. Two of those quarters are built, the blue line and the blue line extension. And some of you may have been on some of our tours that we held last year talking about the corridors in the south end area. But you know, we still have a good bit to do on that overall rapid transit vision. And so what I've been working on for the past five years or so has been updating the plan to be where we are today to start advancing the rest of it. And so that's to the north where we're looking at commuter rail and bus rapid transit and I-77 to the town's north of Charlottesville, Cornie, Stavittsson and Mooresville. And we still want to build out a streetcar system on our corridors in town Central Avenue and Bayes for road. And the silver line has had a history to get to the point where we are right now. Historically, had been bus rapid transit in the median of Independence Boulevard. What is now being, will eventually be converted into express lanes, toll facility on Highway 74. Well, back in 2016 and 2019, I led a planning effort that led to the adoption of light rail for the southeast, along Independence and Monroe, and to the West Wilkinson, and that study also resulted in the combination of those quarters and bringing them together as a single project. What also happened during that time was an outpouring and really it was an outpouring of regional support for RAPID transit. We had Gastonia and Belmont and Gaston County and the Gaston NPO write letters of support for extending it across the Kataba River. So we adopted a line to Belmont and then to this council, Stallings and Indian Trail, both sent letters of support of recommending that light rail come into this community. And so we were very happy to hear that and then began what's called, you'll see their real fancy term called pre-project development where Silver Line is right now. And really what that means is we have an adopted line that goes from Belmont along Wilkinson Boulevard through uptown Charlotte out Independence Boulevard to roughly around village lake drive transitions to Matthews and then goes through downtown Matthews over to the Central Pima College of Ving campus. That's adopted and now we're looking at options into Union County, which we hope to to also adopt as well. And in this pre-project development phase, we want to make sure we have the project that we want to advance into design. And so take it further into an environmental document so that all those things that you hear that these big transportation projects have to go through and order to get funded. We're at the beginning of that process. And that's what we're doing now. We've been working with the town and working with the county. I also mentioned, some of you have been involved over the years with a planning effort for the Central Lonic Council of Governments in Cats. Well, we've been going out to a 12 county region to talk about regional trends that across a big broad swath. And so that's what that connect beyond is there as well. So we are looking at a regional transit plan as well across two states and 12 counties. And Silverland is working with all that as well. So if you go to the next slide. And so as you see here, this is not just a talking about building a light rail project that'll run in the middle of Monroe Road or in corridors in Union County or out Wilkinson to the airport to the city of Belmont through up town. It's not just a design project because what we learned from the blue line that once you put those tracks in the ground, that all the decisions about land use are so important to support that project. And so we felt it was really important to do a transfer room to develop a plan at the same time. And then the town of Stalington, the Intreller, are part of that. You will reach the letters of support to commit staff time to that. We've been working with the community to talk about, you know, it's one thing to have the corridor and the alignment. But what about the stations? What kind of stations? Is it a parking ride? Is it more of a walk-up station? What are the land uses that should happen around that station? And those are really important decisions to have in this very early part of the process. And then also what we found was very important for the Blue Line corridor. If you've been to South End Area, to South of Uptown, that 12-foot multi- use F turned into some of the most desired real estate in the entire blue line. You know having a rail trail where businesses and residents could front turn into a really big asset and if you go on the weekends now it's like a scooter highway through going through that people doing the scooter share stuff and so but it doesn't parallel the whole line and we've heard from the public that it's really important to develop a rail trail for the silver line that goes the entire 26 miles. So from Belma all the way to Indian trail and Stalin's. And we're also doing this study to try to understand what that could look like. And it'll be not just like South, and it'll be a little bit different. Because sometimes they'll have to run along the side of the road, maybe sometimes it's a part of a greenway, but ultimately we want a connected path that follows the whole alignment. And what's so different about this compared to the blue line, we didn't do a TOD study at the beginning of the blue line. We did it kind of midway through, rail trail kind of happened after the fact. And so we want to do all this in a very upfront part to design and pull off the best project we can do to the community. So next slide. And so I talked a little bit about the alignment in Mecklenburg and Charlotte and Matthews. Oh, I'm going to go back a few there. So I want to give you all a sense of what we've been looking at with town staff and stakeholders in Mecklenburg County, the current end of line, you know, what's currently adopted in the 2030 transit system plan. I know the MTC, the Metropolitan Transit Commission, is made up of mayor's Mecklenburg County voting members and then we have ex officio representation from counties around Nuckelburg County. And so we have representation from, uh, Lindis bent to a few of the meetings and then we have a representative in the intrelle that comes off on who is in the town manager of Miner, often comes to provide input to the Metropolitan Transit Commission's reports. And so we've been viewing staff workshops beginning at a starting point where it currently ends at Central Peabock Community Levine campus. And we've come up with a couple ideas, too, that you see on the screen in front of you, and apologize if it's too small on your side. We could see new maps afterwards. But we developed a couple of ideas, and it really kind of came down to two kind of main points. So coming out from the living campus continuing to fall central people on Camila, the lane and going over closely to paralleling the US 74. Some alignments that would be north of town with the crossing of Stallings and then we enter into some Indian trail options there. Another alternative we're looking at is something that either would be somewhere around Matthews Indian Trail Road, which would go through stallings and then directly into Indian Trail as well. And there's a lot of details in this piece. We're pretty high level at this point, but these options could either be running what we call side running. So that's like directly beside a road or in the median of a road. Kind of like it is in North Triown, if you've been in Charlotte to see where the blue line runs in the middle of the road. And there's two travel lanes on either side of that. Those are the kind of details that we're thinking through right now. And these options you see in front of you, as we continue to go through refinement, we'll be presenting them to an virtual public meetings. Fortunately, we're not going to be able to do this in person for a while. But we are holding virtual public meetings in mid-September and are approached to this. And if you'll go to the next slide, and we can come back to this slide if you want to see these options and ask questions but if you go to the next slide I can show you how we've broken this project up because it's too big to talk about this in one meeting and so we're going to have six virtual public meetings beginning in mid-September and we've broken the corridor up in the focus areas you see there and just for your interest, we have what's called focus area six, which would be from the Central Piedmont Community College Levine campus over to Indian Trail. And at that meeting, we'll focus on the options for Indian Trail in staffings. And we're still working on the details of how we'll get feedback. But well, it'll be a mixture of us doing recordings and also it will be live as well to take questions. If you go the next slide I can talk to you a little bit about kind of process and tell you what our goal is for this effort. We'll kick off what's called early scoping. That's just a technical term for we're basically kicking off the National Environmental Protection Act process, the meat book process. So that's one of the first steps you need to do if you want to deliver these projects. And so we're having our virtual public meeting round two. We have a initial round back in March, which seems like a lifetime ago. And how we were able to have one meeting in Matthews and then we had to go virtual for the rest. What we'll do is we'll show you, you know, some variation of the alignments that we're on the screen in front of you. And then we'll come back in November, December based upon the community's feedback, additional analysis, and we will have a proposed recommendation. Now, that could be one of those lines. It could be both of those lines or maybe we've heard something else, but the goal is, we really would like to get to a single alternative that we can take into the next phase. And we would take that in February, March of 2021 to the Metropolitan Transit Commission to adopt that refined project from Belmont all the way to Indian Trail. And then we would take that further into design. Now currently, we're, our consultant is under contract to get us to somewhere between 15 and 30% design over the next three to four years or so. And the goal is, is just to keep advancing the project, get it to that level of design, get an environmental document, then you would take it into the federal process. It's called project development, and then you would then you would hope to get a full funding grant, you know, record a decision, full funding, grant agreement, just like we did for the blue line, and it is our goal to open the project by 2030. Now that's certainly is a big lift for a project of this size, but we're moving it, trying to move it as fast as we can through all the faces. And then I think the next slide is just how you'd like to be updated. Yeah. So we have a project website on ridetransit.org. We give our email contact there, our call us, or also you can always you know get touched directly with me. Who's not on the call today is Andy Maak. He is the the project manager for this effort. I help lead by the planning and coordination pieces of this. So here I can certainly answer me your questions and I'll take for tonight. I'll take any of your questions right now. Well, Jason, appreciate this. Can you send this presentation to Alex or Lynn so they can get it to us and put it on our website and send it out to the community. So it's great information. Thank you. Any questions for Jason? I'll just one statement. Out of all the things that were talked about during real election time, this was probably the number one non-provoked conversation starter that people brought to my attention. I would say that people in stallings are very interested in bringing the silver line down here. Here, this is Brad from me. Yep. Yeah, not a question, just to comment. I was just Jason alluded to. I was on Charlotte staff for a long time and was part of several TOD, Transdorian and Development Station area, and was part of several TOD, transitory and a development station area planning teams with cats and other departments. If you to told us 20 years ago that the blue line would have done what it did on South End and now up toward the university, I don't think we would have believed you, but you can literally find a 1950s ranch house wood-sided sitting a half quarter mile from a light rail station that has tripled in value given that property owner. Tons of opportunity to sell their house, make more money, move to another spot. Or just the power behind the transit oriented development planning exercise that we'll go through is something we've not seen before. I'm really excited. And Jason Aandie do a really good job. So many of us think this will never happen. There's a good chance that it will. And I think that's some of the things we should be excited about around the hospital area. So thank you, Jason. Thank you, Brad. Thank you, Brad. Hey, Brad, can I ask you a quick question? I mean, like is there, I mean, I know you've been working on the development plan. Is there, I guess, a, I wanna say an approach to, you know, looking at the options from a development plan point of view and being able to, you know, work through those options and I mean, that process, potentially, and it would spell out kind of the best option for the path that might come through stallings. Not to take too much time here, Mayor, but I think you'll be led, we'll be led through that process by Jason and his team. They will, they view the development of light rail as much more than moving people that's a land development tool. So their experts, so they'll lead us to that. Okay. That's right, that. Okay. That's right. Sorry. I just say, we'll we have a whole evaluation process that we'll we'll look at, you know, which alignment works better for development, for moving people. There's a whole criteria that gets mixed in with that and development is a big piece of that. it's mixed in with that and development is a big piece of that. And what phase, you were showing us those phases, what phase delusists kind of start that process? Actually, I mean, now was a really big piece of, I mean, just starting early as possible. And now I know with unfunded for construction, we're funded just for design now. But we work, it's not a day goes by that we don't work with some developer up and down, across the 26 miles to either work with the rezoning, land development proposal. We have been able to get some reservation and preservation or just incorporation into a development plan. So I think now is a really good time to do that because you know, Brad's right. I mean, I've been with cats for 20 years now. And I don't think 20 years ago we just thought this would happen as fast as it did because it really did happen fast in hindsight. So land planning is really important right now, certainly. All right. So land planning is really important right now, certainly. All right. So is the... Oh, sorry. I'm just curious about, you know, I guess you're already... I mean, it sounds like you're already embedded with with Lynn and Alex. I mean, I guess I feel like since you're saying we should begin that immediately, it sort of feels like there's an action item there for us to actively be looking at where we are development-wise, given the fact that it seems like every month we have another development project coming to us that may interrupt or be in the middle of some of these corridors that we were already talking about are presented here. It seems like it would be who bust to really kind of get in front of that immediately. So it seems like there's some action item here on how we start that process, I guess. And maybe I'm wrong. I'm just kind of asking the question. Hey, hey, councilmember, heirs Alex here. No, you're exactly right. And just one thing to mention here is the town has partnered with cats and Matthews and a lot of other folks. And we've received a grant for a TOD transportation and overlay district. And so that's really the process of doing. I think we're out in that process is we first need to determine the alignment of the civil line and kind of going through the process with that, you know, getting counts when put, getting public input and then figuring out which one is the one we want to go through the environmental review process with. So once that's determined, we can really start, I think, working on creating that transportation overlay district. But we do need to kind of make the determination of where the line's going to go. I think first and foremost, and we can talk starts. Then we can start talking about a lot of the things that Jason mentioned, like, reserving land and things like that. So you're exactly right. Well, and the reason why I was asking is that, I mean, based on what Jason's team may understand and know, I mean, that may be information that might be important to us to even decide which is the better track for us, right? I mean, that's kind of what I'm thinking is that there's part of this that happens after that choice that feels like there's information potentially being leaned for helping kind of make that choice or at least, you know, what what seems like will be the best for stallings in the long term. Does that make sense? I mean, it seems like that there's, you know, some evaluation there to help us or guide us on what might be the best choice for us overall. I don't know. I don't know. I'm more asking questions than rattling off my apologies. All right. No problem. Jason, appreciate you coming out. Thank you. Linda, thank you for everything you do and transportation for stalling. So, I know you've been involved in this from the beginning. So it's an exciting time. So I appreciate Jason Alex, what you got next for us. Thank you. Alex, you're muted. Hey, can you all see that? Yes, sir. Thank you. So. All right. So we just went over the silver line. The next thing I wanted to bring your attention. Quick recap. So COVID-19 pandemic funding provided to the state which provided it to the counties. Union County received roughly $8.8 million. 25% of that is mandated to get to the municipalities. There's strict eligibility requirements and I wanna recognize director Platz and manager Nichols for their work on this. Chief Frank's and finance officer of gross and I'm probably forgetting a few, but we've identified and applied for about $960,000 in eligible expenses. I met with the Union County Managers last week and learned that the various municipalities submitted about $8.8 million in funding requests, but there's only about $2.2 million in funds. So the county, over the next several weeks is going to determine how to best split the funds amongst the municipalities. So in the coming weeks we should get some direction on that. And Alex could you give us a quick breakdown and put the 960,000 is for sure. It's a variety of items. Some of it is for anything from the policy of Zoom software, for example. We wouldn't have likely used that otherwise, or PP personal protection equipment masks, things like that to legal fees for having to do policies related to it but really the bulk of the funds relate to police personnel costs. All right thank you. Yes sir. All right any other thoughts or questions on the CARES Act folks? All right. Seeing none, I'd like to turn it over to Director Plats. We had originally selected update on the greenway project over by Vickery, we're in design there. But due to concern, I've a link to this meeting, we're going to just do a very, very brief update on the green way and some brief updates on parks and rec generally. So Director Plats can I come on here? Hello everyone can you can you hear me? Yes. Can you hear me? Excellent. So next meeting we will have our consultant team available to give an update on the Blair Mount Greenway. As you know, we adopted the master plan last February and then selected an engineering firm and began to sign in June of 2019, part of what we most had to consider was engaging with the Vickery HOA to ensure that we selected the best trail alignment with the minimal impact on their residential area. And we held quite a few community meetings with them. One of the things that has come out of that them. One of the things that has come out of that is an easement agreement that allows us to utilize both part of the Vickery H.O.A. property and the Union County Public Works easement to realign the entrance of the greenway so that it's not in the middle of that bridge. If you're familiar with the area right there on Steven's mill, there's a bridge crossing right in between the two sides of Stolling, I mean, Blermont Park. So we'll work with them on that. We're working through the agreement currently. We have about 70% completion plans that are under review with our engineering staff. We've been working closely with DOT, getting through our environmental permitting, and so far everything is proceeding very well for us. So we're looking forward to bringing this to you in September to talk about the different items as well as the project timeline and have some rough cost estimates for you to review. So I just wanted to bring this to your attention. So if you have any questions or any outstanding issues, you can bring those to our attention so we can answer those as best as possible in September. All righty. Thank you Ashley. Any questions for Ashley? I'm sure you know how to reach. Yes, and I just wanted to council and airs. Thank you for bringing up what we've been doing here with programming through the Parks and Recreation Department. I just want to give you a quick recap here. We started our State Smiling Stalling's initiative when COVID-19 closed down all of our events and we've had a pin-pile program, high school seniors, spotlight, we did a virtual talent show. All of our new programs have been open to residents only. So we've done a paint-a-planter had a dyno themed scavenger hunt in the park and today our first set of kits for kids went out. We'll have a couple more of those coming up in the next few months and I've gotten some great ideas from you know individuals in the community about ways that we can help. And actually some of our ideas have been copied by other places. So we take that as a pretty high compliment. And then the next slide just has a few things for you to see where the community is giving us feedback on how well we're doing here. We have received handwritten cards in the mail quite a few of them. We actually got forward today about our Dino Hunt. It just feels great to know that we're making a difference out there. Yes, ma'am, you're correct. Thank you for all you all do, Ashen. Thank you, Director Platson, our entire parks and wreck team for that. That concludes the staff report. Thank you, Director Platson, our entire parks and Rec team for that and that concludes the staff report. Thank you, sir. All right, next up is our agenda approval. Number five, true homes has asked to remove their application. They've withdrawn their application totally correct Alex Lynn yes sir that's correct yeah and then we need to move item number 10 to 8a that has to do with attorneys time. We're trying to make sure we keep our attorneys as little time as possible so they don't have to stay for the whole meeting. So if we can move that to eight a and just to make the citizens aware. Number four, the Arissa Holdings, a text amendment, and number seven, the Development Ordering and Semiments and Policy, due to state law for virtual meetings, we will not be voting on those tonight due to public comments need time after the public hearing is held, so just wanna make you aware of that. So anybody else having changes, additions or amendments to the agenda? All right, can I get a motion, please? Motion to accept the agenda as amended. Motion by Mr. Shoe. Can I get a second? Second. Second by Ms. Gooms. all in favor, say aye. Aye. All opposed? All right, that's happening. All right, first up is item number four, condition was owning 20.06.01, sharing lanes. I'll turn it over to the end. So I'll open the public hearing. Thank you. Aaron, could you pull up the presentation for CC-20-601? Thank you. We have the force receiving a conditional zoning request. The applicant is liquid management. What they are requesting this evening is approval of an outdoor storage facility and a maintenance building. Next slide. The property is located at 100 share in line. The current owner is Ruby McLeod and the current zoning on the property is C74. The property is currently being used as an automotive body shop. There's a conditional zoning approved on this property several years ago. It allowed that. And that is what the property is currently being used for. I've listed here for you the required setbacks on the property. But I do want to note with this application there's no construction of new buildings included. They are just looking to change the youth and use the existing building on the property. The site is about 3.5 acres in size. No TAA was required for this property due to the generation. With all of our conditional zoning applications, a community meeting is required. The community meeting for this project was held on June 17. There was no one from the area that was there to speak either in favor against the project. I didn't want to name that. Next slide. This gives you an idea of where the property is located. As you can see, it's highlighted there and red and it's directly on the Monroe bypass. The property used to have direct access on the highway 74, but that was eliminated when the bypass was constructed. And currently this property access is accessed by ShareMline and Richard Baker Drive, which is the access road that was built as part of the bypass project. Next slide. Again, what they're requesting, what they'd like to do with the property is have an outdoor storage area. They intend to use store equipment there. There's a maintenance building on the property that's currently used as an automotive body shop. The contractor intends to use it as a maintenance building. There'll be offices in there as well. They're also requesting permission for the parking lot on the site to be gravel due to the zoning on this property. The parking lot would have to be paved but with a conditional zoning request, use council can approve gravel for this parking lot area. Next slide. for this parking lot area. Next slide. This is a copy of a survey that was provided by the applicant. You can see here the existing building that's the rectangle to the front of the property. There's also a detention pond that is proposed on the front along the bypass area. The back parking lot area will be cleared. It's mostly wooded now to make way for that parking lot. Next slide. I wanted to show you some pictures of the existing conditions on the site. These first couple of pictures I just pulled from Google Maps just to kind of give you an idea of what the property looks like and what it's currently being used for. Next slide. And then next slide. These are actually some photos that our co-inforcement officer took of the property. As you can see, there's a lot of vehicles on the site with a body shop a lot of times you have vehicles that were used for parts and then they're abandoned. So the property at this point is becoming somewhat of a salvage yard. Next slide. You can see there's lots of vehicles, car parts, and things of that nature currently on the property. Next slide. This is a rendering that the applicant provided of how they intend to improve the site. As you can see, the property will be fenced. There will be improvements made to that current building on the site with paint and adding a new roof. There will be a detention facility in this area. There will also be some landscaping added. Next slide. Again, just rendering of the site provided by the applicant. Next slide. I also want to point out on this property, our ordinance does have some specific requirements that all of them need to be met. One of those is tree say. They'll have to say 1.5% of the trees on the lot. There's also some buffers that are required. There's a type D buffer required where adjacent to the light industrial properties. There is some light industrial property adjacent to this site. It's actually in the town of actually unincorporated Union County, but that type D or just a five-foot buffer will have to be provided. VUA, that's a vehicular use area, planting there, and buffers will be required around the parking lot, as well as parking screen, a lot screening and fencing. Those are all ordinance requirements that the applicant is aware of and is showing on their proposed renderings, stormwater management. They will have to provide stormwater calculations and comply with our post-construction stormwater ordinance. And all of this will be approved by the Town Engineer as well as that open space requirement. Staff will ensure that that is, if this application is approved, that the open space is provided during that plan review process. Next slide. I did want to point out whenever we look at a conditional zoning or any type of rezoning request, we refer back to our comprehensive land use plan to see what is shown there in that plan. The subject property is shown as suburban office complex. What that use or that land use is intended for is office buildings, corporate office medical office, research and development. With secondary land uses that really are supportive, they would support office uses things such as banks, copy printing centers, restaurants, that type of thing. No small area plan applies to this particular site. We always do note whether or not the proposal is consistent with our land use plan. In this particular situation it is not. Like I said, this area shows in our land use plan is office. Some sort of office shoes. When we are going through that land use planning process, the committee and the members that were involved as well as the public saw this area, hopefully the redevelopment area is the bypass came through. So that is why that land use was assigned to this particular piece of property. Next slide. Staff comments, as I stated no TIA was required. Our ordinance does require the solid surface parking as well as screening of that parking lot. The applicant is asking for gravel. Again, landscape ordinance requirements, there are buffers that will be required around the property around the parking lot, excuse me not around the entire property, but in certain areas and then around the parking area as well. Police fire public works had no comments. With public works, there's no new buildings proposed with this project. So there was no need for any public work comment on it. Next site, or next slide, excuse me. I did want to point out, we did receive some complaints. There have been code enforcement issues on this particular piece of property for a couple of years. The current users of the property are K8 motors. I spoke with our code enforcement officer just to check with her on what the violations were when those occurred and what the outcome was. They were cited on March the 19th for the first time for jump vehicles, trash and debris, and then again on December 13th of 2018, April 12th of 2019 and in October of 2019, they received notices of violation. Each time the notices were given, the property was cleaned up. They did make an effort to stack tires and put them within fence areas, trashes picked up, and the junk vehicles were removed. The property would stay clean for a short while and then it would revert back to noncompliance. Currently, the co-inforcement officer has issued verbal warnings to that owner, but no NOVs have been sent recently, partially because we knew this application was coming forward and felt that we would have an opportunity to get the property cleaned up as part of this effort as well. Next slide. Again, the community meeting, I think I've already pointed this out, but it was held on the 17th of June. Next slide. The planning board did hear this at their last meeting, which was on July 21st. Yes, and they recommended approval unanimously. Next slide. And staff has put together a list of conditions that it's the applicant or excuse me, sorry, the council was interested in considering approval. I would be happy to go over those with you, or I can wait whatever you prefer, Mr. Mayor. The applicant is here and they have a presentation as well. Anybody have any questions for Lynn on this? Any questions on the summary of suggestions from the planning board? Just one question. With the entire parking lot, including the storage space and even the driveway, all be gravel or would there be at least a small area that is paved with the kind of the storage area being gravel. I believe if you go back to those photos from Google Maps Air and it shows the existing, there's a parking area around the building that I believe is currently paved. Go to Page. go to page um that yeah so there is some page yeah I think that what they're proposing is gravel is the area that they're looking to clear yeah I mean it's pretty rough pretty rough and that's the reason why I'm asking is if do they plan to fix this or tear it out or... I think that would be a great question for the applicant. I think they would be able to answer that. All right, let's hear their presentation, Dan Lam. Let's go to that. Yes, sir. I believe Mackenzie Mosers here to present for the applicant. Matthew Kirschner with the Evalier will be sending for the applicants. I'm not sure if you got any more with the presentation or if you want to share a screen and I'll pull it up on my side. and and since you're not McKenzie, could you repeat your name please? Yes sir. Double checking. Can you see the PowerPoint? Yes. Perfect. Hello. Council members, city staff, community, everyone for along the evening tonight. My name is Matthew Kirchner. I'm with Eagle Engineering, part of the development team for this project. I'm here to talk about the Sharon Lane building outfits. Staff did a great job covering it, so I'll try to keep it as brief as possible, at least in time for any questions you might have. To start with, again, some photos of the existing property, the condition that is in try to keep it as brief as possible, at least in time for any questions you might have. Start with, again, some photos of the existing property, the condition that it's in now, you can see trash and vehicles left all over the area. So one of the big things that we're gonna show during all this is how clean this life's gonna be. You can see new paints, new landscape. I know one of the council members had questions. You can see it was concrete or whatever payment they have in the front part of it. We will be removing something at the AdLife Scape in the stormwater pond at the front as well as the presentation is moving. Yeah, we're still looking at your opening screen. Yeah, who's got control of it? Screen sharing is paused. It has my screen sharing. Oh, how about now? No, there you go. Okay, so this is just my second side of the existing pictures that you saw a lot during staff presentation. So, side of existing pictures that you saw a lot during staff presentation. So, flip through this one kind of quick and then go into the elevation. You can kind of see that again. The front area that was paved on your existing aerial, you can see we're pulling out to add landscaping and storm waterpond at the front as well as along the buffer. Right now this is kind of paid to concrete. We're gonna add a fence landscaping on that as well. Just again, updating the property, cleaning it up. This will be used by the hospital maintenance crew. So there will be offices in this building as well as storage for the use for the hospital. We're gonna have a proposed five year lease with that maintenance group. So it will be claimed, obviously, that the hospital will be using it which will help keep local vendors of the hospital in the area. We also did agree based on some of the comments at Clanny Board. So this is the basic landscaping here. We are gonna increase it 15% over what the UDO is requiring. Again, you're driving near the bypass. We want to help you by the town of stallings and that's kind of our way to help. The existing zoning C-74 was kind of already allows it a little bit bigger acres that we have there. You'll see a gravel storage facility right across the road here in the purple that isn't really well maintained. So on this site, we're really cleaning it up, keeping it maintained so that you guys can have something a little more air proud of. Running it in the site, you can see this cursor. you guys can have something a little more air proud of. Bring your insight. If you can see this cursor, this is the gravel storage parking that is existing across the way. We will have a concrete apron here at the entryway, vegetation up front, and then the back. We're calling it parking lot, but it's really storage for the hospital. Any maintenance vehicles and things like that, they have what they do it as well as the office building up at the front. And this is a detail of the site of what it looks like. Tree save area, both around the outside, stone in the back for stores or parking or that user might need to need it. That kind of concludes the end of my presentation, but I'm here for questions as well as the applicant with the Moza Group. There's anything I can answer for you. Now, is the owner staying the same Matthew? The owner is not. The current owner has passed away. The property is now in a trust to the kids that are not local to the area. So at this point, they'll just keep leasing out as they have it. Obviously, they're not in the area. So I'll simply see keeps paying their bills. They won't have any issues. Is it the same occupant? The new, the new, the new, the new weacer will be a hospital vendor that is coming in as signified or released to The right this area so that the current Occupy will not be there. So the automotive Facility will be no more Hey guys, this is McKinsey, Moeser. I'm on here as well If I can say one thing, thank you, Matt. You did a great job. But just so we're clear for everyone in on the virtual room that this y'all saw what it is currently, what we're redoing the property for is for the contractor for the hospital is for them to store their equipment and their trucks. We take great pride in all of our properties. Our office is just right around the corner and we had the opportunity to work with the hospital and the initial acquisition for the hospital and been able to work through the process and meet with the contractor. They're an amazing group that and we would be managing the property. They would be keeping their equipment and vehicles there but we would landscape it amazing. Everything that you see today in front of the property that looks awful will be removed. And then all of the storage is actually behind the building where the gravel is. In the front of the building, what you would see from the road is the landscaping retention, the freshly painted building, the new roof, the new HVAC, and we're making quite a bit of improvements to the property to make it look a lot better than it is today, but it is a five year lease with the contractor of the hospital as they're building that facility phase one and phase the later phases. And if there's any questions about that, I believe you'll have the actual L O Y and we're happy to send it to whoever. All righty. Thank you, McKenzie. I come to bed. And this is this is up. Go end. This is Tom Crouch the Moser as well. I'm here to answer any questions. I was just going to piggyback all Mackenzie said as well. We have already budgeted almost $120,000 and beautification all that is not putting any to the landscape that we want to do. So that building will take off all the just on top of the roof that we pointed out. There's some old HVAC brackets up there, which are really an eye sore. And we'll be replacing the entire roof from the start. All righty, we got it. I appreciate you all making it pretty because obviously it's very visible from the bypass. So, Lynn, can we go back to the summary of the suggestions? By the planning board. Yes, Erin. I appreciate that. That first picture that you had there was actually a great picture that shows currently all the junk on in front of the building and in our plan there is nothing in the front of the building that will be seen from the highway that it's landscaping and the retention. All right got it McKinsey thank you. All righty so here's the summary of suggestions from the planning board correct. Yes sir This is part of the planning board recommendation. Would you like me to walk through them individually? Sure. Okay. The first condition that was recommended is that the approval will be limited to the requested vehicle and equipment storage area as well as the maintenance building use. But warehousing or excuse me, warehouses would be limited to the existing building on the site. And I guess maybe here rather than warehousing, it's really storage and office space, I believe is what it's going to be used for. We would also recommend that any new structures built on the site would need to receive conditional zoning approval from the town. Because typically with the conditional zoning application we're looking at a site plan, a site development plan as well. Nothing has been proposed now that would require that, so we would suggest any expansion or new buildings would come back to council. We would also recommend that all the junk and abandoned vehicles be removed from the site from the site and the property cleaned up Prior to the town is showing any type of issue grading or tree permit for the proposed parking lot And any other renovations on the site We would also request that a landscape plan that shows compliance with the selling development ordinance be submitted as part of that plan of Youset and then we would like to see a landscape plan showing development ordinance be submitted as part of that plan review set. And then we would like to see a landscape plan showing the enhancement of the property frontage along which are Baker Drive, I believe McKinsey and Matt and Tom all alluded to the fact that they were going to be doing some additional landscaping above what our ordinance required on the front of the property. We would just request that that come back and that the planning board have an opportunity to review that prior to us issuing a zoning permit on the site. And those are the planning board recommendations. If you have any questions, I'm glad to address those. And then what about the parking lot? Is that in the... That's part of the... And I believe that the planning board was recommending approval of the request as submitted, which would include the gravel parking lot. Well, I thought the other slides said it needed to be all solid surface. That was, I apologize, but that's pretty confusing, but that was just an ordinance requirement side. Just talking about what our ordinance requires. Okay. Pointing out at correct, but they are requesting that differs which they can do with the conditional zoning application. Right. So the ordinance calls for solid service parking lot in the planning board, uh, wave that and allow them to have a gravel parking lot where they're, uh, in this, where they're, uh, in this, where they were shown in the slide. Okay, got it. Can I jump in? Yeah, David. Uh, Lynn, my Google map, my Google map doesn't show Richard Baker Drive, but it shows the expressway and from my experience driving down there, We got thousands of cars passing right by here up from the expressway and like maybe a dozen or two on Sharon Drive and I'm not sure if Baker runs behind it or in front of it or where but my map isn't current enough apparently but when we get more concerned with the appearance from the expressway. Yeah and Richard Baker Drive is just the name that was given to the access road that runs along the bypass now. Oh, there it is. Yeah, and when they did away with the share and lanes ability to access Highway 74, they built those access roads that provide vehicle the ability to you know get get back up to Highway 74 in the bypass at Staling Road. Still wouldn't we be more concerned with the appearance from the expressway with the many? Correct and I think that, you know, one thing to consider, and this is just an opinion, is that there'll be a time, I think that we did consider when we were doing the comprehensive land use plan, we looked at this area as having the potential for redevelopment. I still think that that is definitely going to be the case. Currently the property is a code enforcement issue. It needs to be cleaned up. What is being proposed is a good transitional use. I think at some point the property value will dictate that it will be developed for something else. But I think just allowing the property to be cleaned up in a way that will definitely improve the looks of this property from the bytask. I think that this would be a good transition and hoping hopefully in the future there'll be some redevelopment of the site. Mayor can I ask some questions and make sure you have talked about a five year lease. What do you anticipate would happen with this property at the end of five years? Would you think the transition to some other use would occur at that time. We at the Mohs Group believe with this five year lease with how much money we're going to have to put into this property and how much improvements we're going to make. We have a certain number that we have to hit as far as rent goes. So any tenant that we think could afford that rent would be much more improvement. And I don't think it could ever revert back to a state now as far as a junkyard or anything like that. And like Lynn said, the price will probably will dictate kind of an improvement. And we anticipate that improvement increase over the next five years just something we could sell for. Another few points, Tom said, too, this case will be released out from the Mosig group that will maintain that property during its lease. So it won't be the leacy maintaining the property. The Mosig group will make sure that the landscaping everything is maintained to show a good presence in that area. And exactly what kind of vehicles and equipment does the hospital have? Just over there. I'm trying to envision what that is. What would that be? It is the contractor for the hospital, Brassville and Gory. They allow their employees to have work trucks that they don't take home. And so their work vehicles and equipment for the contractors equipment when it can't be on the hospital site will be stored there. Are you talking about bulldozers and back coves and things like that? I believe it's work trucks and equipment. I would have to get a full list of all of the equipment that they use. Okay, and the comments that are just the other questions I want to ask is, I mean, I do think this is very unsightly. We not enforce our ordinance and have this cleaned up without approving this project. I mean, it sounds like they would clean it up, but I'm not really leaning in favor of this. So I'm wondering if we can't get it cleaned up just under our code enforcement ordinances. And we did have some objection from some of the resident or at least one of the residents in the business park. We actually spoke with you. Wait a minute, I'm not finished. We have been talking with at the town about trying to support that business park to expand and improve all the conditions there. So I don't see this as an improvement, really, to, I mean, yeah, it will look better, but as far as long-term improvement to the area, I'm not seeing that. And one final comment, I think if our ordinance calls for a solid surface parking lot, I think we should, if it is approved, require the applicant to do permeable asphalt because I know there are stormwater issues there and that would serve that purpose almost as well as gravel. I would like to make a few comments to that. One, the, one, the on on you're on mute Mackenzie. Oh, I'm so sorry that you'll couldn't hear me. On the user in the business park that sent an email did not have the actual site plan and we met with him, spoke with him. He should, by the leaves, you should receive another email from him. And this is a transitional use of we are cleaning it up. It looks, you see what it looks like today. We are cleaning it up for use for as the hospital is being built. And someone asked the question of the future use. We do see this being an area for redevelopment in the future. And we would like to see that happen. It's not quite there yet, but this is such, this is a use that's needed today that improves it for today, that in five years when redevelopment can happen. Our office is right around the corner. We love to see areas improve and I would love to see this area be the same. So the longterm plan. We do have that vision as well. We help bring the hospital to the site to help bring that growth. We love Union County. We want to see it grow. That's why we continue to invest. And this is a temporary use. So putting in asphalt for a temporary use to then tear it up when you the new building in the future. What they're saying now is limiting the use for the current building and not allowing any other building. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Any other questions for Lynn? No question, but just a general comment you know one of the things we're we're really focusing on with with any development in the town of Stonx especially as our land is limited and especially so along the major traffic corridors like council member Shulla hit upon this is a highly highly visible piece of property and it's a and to council member Paxton's point it's a highly visible isoler right now but is this transitional use the best use highest and best use for the next five years as a look at the property on GIS and look at it from satellite view. And there's a ton of timber on it right now that is somewhat screening some of the ice war. If we bulldoze all that down at the gravel on the top that we're just kind of a rip the band-aid off of work and the work's just there. So that won't change for five years. And so I'm really not seeing the value for the town of Stollings here. I kind of agree with Council member Paxton that we should enforce the rules we have today and get code violations taken a hard look at the property and clean it up. And if the app wants to come back with something that you know meets us in the middle with some transitional use there that's not taken down all those trees, which I would think would be very valuable for a small off work. Then I'm well in the listening. Listen, but I'm just not seeing it. All right. Thank you, John. Any other comments from council? I think I should have a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of our attorney confirmed that I have a conflict on this issue that justifies for a Q's or participating in discussion and voting. So that's why I'm quiet tonight. Right. So I see either tonight or probably at the business meeting in September. I'll have you vote to recuse me. Right. Exactly. Everybody got brass letter email. So yes. All right. Any other questions for Lynn or the applicant? All right, as I said, we can't vote on it tonight. We could do to the state law and virtual meetings. So I'll close the public hearing and then we're. I have a question if that's okay. Mayor Dunn. Sure, Mackenzie. What other use would you guys see as a transitional use of some besides someone that's going in making it look 10 times better than what it is today cleaning it up, grading it, and what can you tell me any other transitional use? Have you guys driven back there and seen like it's all the windy miss the potholes to get that there. I just don't see an office user going in there and today's stay in the development in the future and five years, ten years, Staling's has amazing potential. It's so exciting. But what do you guys see that would make that look better than what is proposed today? I think that discussion would be better held at a different time that would be rather in-depth and probably more appropriate at a different time. Sure. Well, that's fair question, Mackenzie. We need to get you some feedback prior to coming to our meeting on September or whenever you decide to come back. So Council, if you all could think on this and provide some feedback to the Moser group. So because yeah, we all would like to see some investments and the best possible use for this piece of property. So we need to give them some feedback on since there will be some money on it. Mackenzie, Matt and Tom, thank you all for coming out tonight and we'll be in touch. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. All right. Number five has been removed. So now we're up to number six, the text amendment 20.06.01, are RISSA holdings. So, Len, you're up. Thank you. I'm Erin, we can pull the presentation up for the next presentation. Thank you, Erin. The next item we have is a text amendment. The applicant is actually a RISSA holding. And what they are requesting this evening is an amendment to our development ordinance that deals with height limits for townhomes. Next slide. I'll open the public hearing. Sorry. Aaron, can you go to the next slide? Thank you. The proposal is to amend the attached residential restrictions that are set forth in Article 933, specifically Section A of the Sallings Development Ordnance. Our current ordinance restricts height to a maximum of 25 feet. This restriction allows for two story townhomes, but not three story townhomes but not three story townhomes which is a common product used in conjunction with a two car garage product with the current height restriction no garage townhomes would be feasible. But since the vast majority of the first force space is allotted toward the garage, there are requests that you increase the maximum height for attached residential homes to 45 feet above the finished floor grade, the medium roof height, with our ordinance defined height. This increase will allow for a third floor, potential stoops when entering the home, potential for 10 foot ceilings on all three floors of reasonable extra height for roof pitch that will help to accommodate different roof pitch types and elevations. Next slide. The specific proposed text amendment is Article 3 9.3-3, which talks about the requirements for attached house building type or townhomes. That is recommending that assignments be added to section A1 that would re-building height shall be limited to 25 feet, except for projects located in the MU2 district and shown within the Monroe Bi-Past Small Area Plan shall be limited to 45 feet. Next slide. We wanted to just talk, I wanted to talk a few minutes about the justification for this request. First, I wanted to mention the increase in height will be restricted to an area that has been identified as acceptable for higher density housing. The way that this has been worded, we've had restricted this height of 45 feet to the Monroe bypass small area plan. This is an area that council has gone on record is stating that they would support higher density housing in. Secondly, the comprehensive land use plan has identified the area located within that small area plan as walkable activity center. This land use does promote building heights up to five stories. Server of an office center is also another use identified in this area with heights up to three stories according to the comprehensive plan. The increase in height will provide for garages, which will also support a higher end product, which is something that council has also gone on record, is stating is something that a priority is important to them. As we discussed earlier tonight, saw the presentation from Jason Lawrence, the alignment of the silver line of the light rail may be located along Matthews, Indian Trail Road, as Mr. Lawrence stated, and what came up in that discussion, wherever the light rail goes, there tends to be redevelopment and typically higher in housing, or excuse me, higher density housing goes in those areas. I wanted to point out that no precedent would be set by allowing this increase in height. The current ordinance already allowed housing types and I want to point out the chart on the left. The single family homes are allowed up to 30 feet. Multi-family can be 41 feet town-wide. It can also be 15-50 feet along Highway 74 and within the Monroe Bi-Pest Small Area Plan. Your civic buildings, your shopfront, your herb and workplaces, which are your office buildings and your strip shopping centers can be up to 45 feet in height. And then highway business can be 50 feet townwide and then within along highway 74 and that Monroe, Monroe bypass Malaria plan, highway business buildings can be up to 70 feet in height. I also wanted to point out that tonight we're going to be reviewing some ordinance amendments that are being considered by town council. One of these amendments will make single family attached housing, development, conditional zoning townwide. So if this amendment is approved, it would only apply to projects within the Monroe bypass small area plan and it would only apply to projects that have already been approved. There are two of those. With this amendment, everything would be, any townhand project would be conditional zoning, which means council would have the authority to decide the height of those projects on a case by case basis. Next slide. A question was raised as to why we did not use the variance process as opposed to a text amendment process for this amendment or for this request. We are attorney, Matt McCarly was asked this question and you would ask to respond to this. And I just wanted to provide his response for the record. Basically, this matter is absolutely not appropriate for a variance. North Carolina law is clear that variance should be granted only when a necessary hardships are resolved from the strict application of the zoning regulations. And hardship is defined in terms of topography or other conditions that are peculiar to the property and that is not the case here. Secondly, a change of the nature is a policy decision and should be made by town council. The Board of Adjustments is a proper venue for quasi-dued-dissue decisions about hardship but not for a policy decision concerning development standards for property, of C Decision concerning development standards for property, and the federal layer of the system. If the Council supports this change, the proposed language amending development ordinance section 933A1 is the appropriate manner to accomplish this change. And thirdly, there's no amendment to the development agreement for this project that is required. Next slide. The Planning Board reviewed this request at their last meeting on July 21st and recommended approval. Next slide or that might be my last slide. Yes, and that is the end of staff's presentation. The applicant is here as well. They also have a presentation and I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. Lang, can we go back to your slide with the with the the the height requirements on the left hand side the table? Right there. So what I'm hearing is this this language protects us from, you know, the any other project is wanting to come back and raise the height of their project to 45 feet or higher above 41 feet outside of the Monroe Bbass corridors, that correct? That is correct. Yeah. And this would only be found home within that corridor. And that's not really a plan yet. Right. Okay. Thank you. You might have any questions for Lynn. All right. Can you, can you, you know, T up the applicant? You got a question, David? Yeah, I was on mute. So I couldn't get it out fast enough. Linda, do you say this only affects town homes or other multi-family? This is just for a touch single family housing, which is town homes. And the way it's worded, it would only apply to projects within the small area plan, and it would only really apply to the two that have been approved. Because moving forward any townhand project after the amendments that are being proposed and considered tonight by council, if approved one's approved, then any townhand project would have to come to you all for approval and height could be considered during that process. All right. And at that point we could also attach height to an elevator requirement. Is the condition of approval yes? Yes. All right thanks. Hey good evening everybody. This is Chris Hanson with Impact. I just want to add a little extra context and thanks again, Lynn, for the presentation. We presented this project back in September, probably August of last year. And as we met with planning board and staff as we were working on this development agreement, this project has been a three- story project, really from day one. If you can go to the second page and what we have is a few of the renderings that we shared early on in this process. And again, if you look at the location, this is right off of Marie Garris. The location or part of the entrance to this this is right off of Marie Garrison location or part of the entrance to The this project is now off of Marie Garrison lane originally it was across from bicky lane, but that has since been changed To the base of the north and the east is is Hendrick property and of course across Marie Garrison's the Scott Clark Toyota car dealership Next slide please. And again, these were just some preliminary renderings that we presented at town council. Early on, this was just a kind of graphical representation. And that request was made just so we could again show some of the sizing of this project early on. Next slide, please. And again, just to kind of go through this project, it's 92 total units. Each of these projects or each of these townhomes will have a garage on the first floor to to car garage, which obviously helps with the parking of this development. Along Vicky Road, there's a there's a subdivision where there are a couple houses that you know front Matthews and Entrial Road. Along there we are making quite a bit of street improvement so there's a the 12 foot sidewalk along with six foot tree wells so we're improving again the landscape along Matthews and Entrial Road. But as I mentioned this this is when the original renderings that does show an entrance up a Vicki road, that has again changed to be off of regears. And next slide please. And again, I just want to share, these are the elevations that we shared again with town council last year of the product type that we look to build here. We've since we've gone through, we're really on our third review for this project with always to the Union County as well as Stullings Engineering. We're near the really kind of finish line and with the land use plan again, we were operating under that was allowed up to five stories and hence that's why we had three stories. So again, I just asked that you can sort of this text amendment. It's really the product that we've designed and has not changed really since the summer last year when we started work on this project. So, and with that, I'm happy to answer any questions may have. All right, thank you, Chris. Any questions, Mr. Warren? It said on the previous slide, I said the construction start was already passed. Obviously that was, might have been a little optimistic, Mayor. construction start was an already passed. Obviously that was, might have been a little optimistic, Mayor. When you came back in the spring, when you came to us in the spring. So, if you get approval, would y'all start? It would be this late fourth quarter. So, we anticipate approvals pending the Texanman agreement. We're going into our last review and that review process is typically about six weeks now for Union County Public Works. And then it takes about 30 days to get permits. So we anticipate construction again, probably October of this year. All right. Any questions for Chris? May I ask a question please? You indicated a price point in the 200s. I think probably low 200s. With this change would you anticipate that getting any closer to what we just heard tonight is the break even point in Union County of 350? Yes. And since, even since last year, obviously the market has changed quite a bit since we last spoke, but these will start close to the 300s and then with options will range mid-threes, even probably some to, you know, high-threes for these townhome product. And it's one of the changes that you're talking with the staff about or working with the staff about, does it include porches rather than those little stupes that are really not very attractive at all? Yeah, and this was as part of the development agreement, there's, I think there's 18 different architectural guidelines that we agreed to, including the minimum length of the porches and stupves to be a minimum five feet, you know, additional window trim width. So again, there was, there was I think 18 total architectural restrictions that we placed on this site. And again, that was, that was approved and executed in December of last year, all those changes and the development agreement itself. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. Mary, this is Brad. Yes, Brad. Yeah. Mr. Hanson, how we've not met, but I know this is a district-wide text amendment, but we're talking project-specific, I guess, because you're the petitioner. So I got a little bit confused, the rendering I'm looking at now. This is this isn't this is a former end Rendering not the elevation that has the garage is that correct? No, this is the front this has always been the elevation of the proposed elevations for the project. So the garage is rear entry. So for example, along Matthews and Entrial Road, these units will front Matthews and Entrial roads, that kind of picks. Now certainly colors, obviously this is, it's not the final colors and such, and that's we up to the builder who's taken on the project. But really the purpose of showing some of these renderings was again just to, this is what was I guess originally intended in what we originally brought in front of council and then again was voted on. So the the text amendment issue was such that, we think it was a second review where we realized that there was an error with the text amendment that either we oversaw. Again, we were thinking we were limited to five stories and that this was really not going to be an issue. But again, that's kind of the purpose of these elevations here. The other renderings in the original presentation was more to just kind of show the scaling and kind of massing. That was a request early on. And so we presented those renderings early on to kind of show how that product would look. And this is land if I just make one comment too. Is there are some requirements for the architectural little ordinance requirements that just don't show on these elevations like the steps up the two feet to that front door. So I think Mr. Richardson what you're what you're seeing even though it's probably very similar to the final product there will be some things such as steps up to the front doors that just aren't shown on these elevations. to the front doors that just aren't shown on these elevations. Okay, so the current ordinance is 25 feet, but there's no way to build this three-store unit with a garage with 25 feet. So that's why we're here tonight. It was a misunderstanding of the requirements or town homes thinking they were five stories instead of 25 feet. Is that right? Yes, as we understood it was the three stories would be allowed. And again, early on with meeting with planning staff and meeting with Lynn, really this was a product that there was some comments that they obviously wanted higher ceiling heights, which are in our development agreement. And that some of the two story, I guess wider product with you all was not favored. So again, it from our standpoint, it's been three stories, whether that's something that we overlooked and that could be the case certainly, but you know we've, this project has always been a three-story project on our standpoint what we've always presented, what we met with staff on. Yeah, that's fine. And don't misread my question. I'm just asking was that one of the light rail alignments may come through this neighborhood or right along this road that we're looking at in this rendering, which is very interesting. Sure. Sure. If there is a small area plan, I think I've said all along, Monroe bypass in the downtown would be a little bit more amenable first and higher density. So I'm just trying to clarify where the understanding was. So that's all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Brad. Any other council member? All right. It's anyone in the public that want to speak at this public hearing? All right. Lynn, any other information you need to give us or Chris? That's all I have. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. As I said earlier, we can't approve this tonight. We can't vote on it. We'll bring it back when Lynn tells us she's ready for us to vote on it. So I'll close the public hearing on this one. So thank you for coming attending, Chris. Thank you. All right. Next up is number seven, the Development, Ordinance, Amendments and Policies. So we can't approve these tonight either, but Lynn, I'll leave this up to you then. You're up again. So first one is text amendment 20.06.02 amendment development ordinance Development ordinance to remove language linking the ordinance to a small area plans And and the way I have put the Presentation together if it's all right with you is I will just walk through each of the amendments. If you prefer I stop the 2021 for discussion individually I'm happy to do that is that I if that's how you prefer me to handle it. I think so that would be since there's a lot of data here tonight so let's do individually. Okay. We can just theory. Right. And Erin, you can go to the next slide. Thank you. Again, just to give everyone who's here tonight in the audience just some background to let you know what we're discussing and how these changes came about. We had Town Council put together some subcommittees to get together and discuss two of our small area plans and changes they would like to see made to the plans and to the ordinance to address some concerns about density. On June 2nd a group got together to talk about the Monroe bypass small area plan and on June 3rd a second group got together to talk about the Idle Lyle Road smell area plan. Out of those two meetings several text amendments were suggested as well as a policy decision and an amendment to the Idle Lyle smell area plan. On July the 13th staff was directed to bring before council, just recommended changes and suggested language. Council did approve that language and asked staff to prepare ordinances and statements of reasonable, missing consistency to be presented to the planning board. That was done on July the 21st and the planning board recommended approval of all of the suggested text amendments. Next slide. The first one we're going to be discussing is text amendment 200602. This deals with amending the development ordinance to amend language linking that ordinance to our small area plans. What we did is staff, and along with our legal counsel, Mack Macarley, we reviewed the ordinance identified sections where it tied our development standards directly to the Smolary Appliances. We went through and changed all of those references, specifically to Article 1-5, Article 5-4-E, Article 544E, Article 51, Article 532A and D, and Article 544E and F. So that would be the first text amendment that we are recommending and that the Plenty Board recommended approval out as well. And I mean, Lynn, I forgot to open the public hearing again. So Erin just reminded me. So we're open. OK. Again, that's the first text amendment. If you have any questions about that, I'd be glad to address it. Is that the first one? So any questions relating on that? And then I want to each one out. It's a public hearing. So is there anybody in the audience that want to speak to this text amendment? All right, let's go to be then, Glenn. Wait, I raised my hand there. Oh, wow. I can't see you. Oh, okay. Well, there's little thing that says raise hand lower hand on the I've never done these before either. Yeah, just speak up. There we go. Yeah, I figured Aaron would see my hand waving in there. In the front row, you know, your turn. Yeah, let me see if I see you. All right, go ahead, Bob. Okay, it's Robert Reagan over 3,000, 5,000, cinnamon drive. OK, the concern I have with this removal of the language linking the ordinance to the SAP is a good example would be the project you talked about earlier at 5 o'clock, the Stinson arms or whatever it's called. Where that project's been going on a while, and originally it had the large apartment buildings directly adjacent to the houses on Klondmell Drive. I know that I brought up and another other people did as well, that that's not what the SAP showed. The SAP showed it appears to be like duplexes or something smaller directly as a transition. And without this language to tie the SAP and the ordinance together, my concern is that you've now said to the developers that it's a free-for-all. anything within those hundred or 150 different uses can be put in there And you don't have any any way to encourage them to do something else You know, you have no real reason to deny even though you're doing conditional zoning You know still there's no there's nothing to give you a chance to say that's not what we want over here It's not what we show and that's so that's my concern with it and that's all I have to say that's not what we want over here, it's not what we show. And so that's my concern with it. And that's all I have to say. All right, thank you Robert. All right, next up be 20 detects 20.06.03. Change the development agreement requirements to apply only to large projects. Next slide please. Thank you. The council specifically asked staff to research the ordinance and to change the development agreement requirement to only apply to projects that are 25 acres or more in size. There were four sections that discussed development agreements. There were articles 7-111A, 7-151B, 8-46B, and 8-5-1. These all discussed development agreements. Language was added there to basically tie development agreements only to projects that are 25 acres or more in size. This was also presented to the planning board after Council's approval and they did recommend approval as well. Any questions for Lynn? Mayor could I add one thing to that? Yes, sir, Mack. As you consider this, you should also consider it in tandem with the changes you've already made to make apartments a conditional zone, a CZ application, and the next amendment on tonight, that is to make townhouses a CZ. What this does is take those projects out of a development agreement process and put them into a CC process which gives you far more discretion about what to do with those applications. So Lynn and I think we're doing what you asked us to do in those two subcommittee meetings on the small area plans. And that is to give you more discretion to control the quality of development. Well, that's what I understood. But I'll open up to the council for any questions for Mac or Lynn on this. Is this what? Unfortunately, I do have a couple of questions, Mr. Mayor. questions from Mac or Lynn on this? Is this what the? Unfortunately, I do have a couple of questions, Mr. Mayor. Sure. I guess I'm a, I'm a, and this might be my confusion. But when we talked about in these, in the meetings that we had, we talked about getting rid of the DA requirement. and we talked about getting rid of the DA requirement. However, instigating a subcommittee policy that would review the projects in those subcommittees would work a lot like the DA subcommittees now. And I'm a little confused because what I'm seeing tonight is that those subcommittees would only be created if there was conditional zoning. And I thought that when we talked before is that there might, there would actually be potential for some opportunities where there would be counsel subcommittees for products that may not necessarily be conditional zoning. And Alex, this is kind of what I was talking to before is that I thought that there would actually be some, I mean, because this DA takes out, I mean, there's only like four parcels that are bigger than 25 acres, right? So it does take away that we, I mean, this is saying that tonight, when we look at this, that only those subcommittees would be created for conditional zoning, I thought that there was going to be additional subcommittees potentially based on other requirements of a particular project. And I guess that's where the gray area that I was talking about, Alex, that I was concerned about is that I felt like that area is where I was kind of going with that. Is that my misunderstanding or is I'm trying to understand maybe if that's my misunderstanding or whether or not that's misunderstanding from where we were going? Well, I can go ahead and land or map. I was just going to make one comment about the the subcommittee. A subcommittee still will be required for development agreements. We're not removing that language. We're just adding it to the CZs as well. Okay, I mean, and I understand that piece. I was just I was thinking that there would be opportunities for more subcommittees other than just conditional zoning. Mayor, may I speak? Yes, ma'am. I think Stephen is asking a question that I've been asking Mr. McCarley is what other changes do we need to make to give council control over our council projects. And I think Stephen may be after the same thing because a lot of projects are not don't involve zoning or conditional zoning of any kind. But I think some of us would like those projects to probably also have subcommittee review and then have council input rather than that being an administrative decision that's done outside of council process and if that's something. other members of council would like to take a look at, we could ask Mr. McRally to do it and it wouldn't be just my individual question getting addressed and taking up my six hours I get to consult with him because it would be something council would be requesting us all. My question came up I think either the June or July meeting, we actually had a list on one slide that showed all these different uses that, and maybe my interpretation of that slide was that there may be opportunities for those type of uses that we still would want. Depending on certain criteria, we may want a council subcommittee for. And so when I read this, I kind of got the impression that the only time we would have a council subcommittee would be for a CZ or a DA. And I guess that didn't, I guess that wasn't what I thought the direction that we were going in. It's by understanding that when we talked about this previously, we can still implement a council policy, a policy formally enacted that we have to follow as long as this council is still contains the members that it has today or we act to change it, where we can put together a subcommittee for anything we feel necessary come down the development pipeline. So that's an internal policy. We don't have to legislate it. We don't have to put it in black and white in an ordinance. It just, we can keep it simple and keep it as a council policy rather than taking up legal hours to do such. And that's the message. And I hear you, John, but is it E tonight that policy that you're talking about? Sorry, you lost me E. E on the section that we're in today. I mean, we're talking about in the amendments. Are you talking about E? are you talking about something different? I'm not saying E on this green so you lost me there. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's just in the it's just in our agenda Apologize E is the subcommittee policy change and it and that's the thing is that it only see what John just said makes it that he thinks It's different too because according to that, it's just conditional zoning for that policy. It's not the thing, I mean, so I... Yeah, this is Brad whenever you guys like... Yeah, I don't want to interrupt you, Steve, but I'm not sure where I stand. I agree I'm not sure where I stand. I agree. I think in principle with Linda miss backs and I should say, um, I'm just my thinking was after this these amendments get approved tonight. What we've done is is exerted an inordinate amount of council oversight to all mixed use where we had it already for apartments and we're adding multiple uses, including town homes. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that's of significance or complexity that will escape a subcommittee review. What I don't know that I would support would be every single parcel of development in our town that's currently by right having to go through a council process. I think that's, I'd be curious as to see what would be left after these actions tonight. I think that could border on a lot of inefficiency that has to go through a council process that may be unnecessary. So I'm in favor of these tonight. I think they exert an appropriate amount of control and add a lot of use as a conditional zoning or the real leverage is, I would be curious as an exercise after tonight for staff to tell us what's left. I bet we won't find much. That's just my opinion. I'd be interested in max opinion as well. Mayor May I respond to that? Yes, sir. Mac. Let me first address Mr. Ares question. With the amendments that are on your agenda tonight, what you're doing is moving council into a much stronger position to have subjective control various kinds of development, including townhomes, but also some other things in zones such as car washes, sea stores with gas, restaurants with drivingin windows, things that might have an impact on surrounding properties. And if you add to that Ms. Paxton's question, which is what Brad was just asking about, and that is, all right, after we do these, what's left? And I think that the staff can give you that list. And there probably are some large projects left either in industrial or commercial projects that might be worth taking a look at. But what you're doing tonight is moving dramatically toward giving yourselves the position to shake development much more strategically than you've had in the past. You're not giving up development agreements, but the development agreement is really a pretty blunt instrument and it's really best for working out infrastructure issues, not design issues. Now you're going to design issues, which is I think what you're more interested in. So Matt, I mean, are you saying that those other items that you just stated, that those other items that you just stated, like the drive-through restaurant, things like that there. I mean, are those conditional sounding? They are in the amendments you have before you tonight for public hearing. Okay, maybe. I'm just, so those would be the other identified uses. Yep. I think it's 20.06.05. And it would make ABC stores, car washes, sea stores with gas, creamatoriums, restaurants with drive-through, auto repair, truck and trailer rental, warehousing and self-storage, all would be moved into CZ in various zones. Okay, so Matt, that helped out, man. That helped me understand where you're going with that. All right, I appreciate it. All right, anybody in the public would like to comment on 7B? Yeah, yes. Robert Reagan. All right. Go ahead, Robert. All right. You know, I think it's good maybe to move some of these things into CZ. It's not clear reading that text amendment that that's actually the case. It's got may counsel may want to do this. It doesn't say they are going to do this. So, you know, that's not something that's currently in the text amendment in red anywhere. amendment in red anywhere. But, you know, I still have a concern with, you know, giving up the DA for anything under 25 acres. I mean, a 24 acre property is still a pretty big property. And, you know, I look at broad street homes, you know, as an example again, a very small property that probably without, you know, the council oversight would have been built with houses on a 4,000 square foot lot like they originally proposed you know because that's what was going that's what was presented originally and you know that I think that you know the DA process got them at least up to the 6,000 square foot lot size and you know maybe it's addressing how it's going to look from stallings road and maybe some of the, I guess, allowances for expanding stallings road in the future. Maybe that can be worked out in a DA process. So I'm still not in favor of giving it up Council's oversight on projects under 25 acres. I think it's just not a good practice. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Robert. Any other comments from Council questions from Mac or Lynn? This, John, I guess my only concern outside of what's been kind of raised tonight is that historically there's been some community feedback that the CC process happens a lot behind closed doors. Happens very quickly for the public's aware and the DA process does elongate that to the benefit of our community arguably. So if we are going to go down this path, I would ask that. If we are going to go down this path, I would ask that we all benefit. It's painful as it is sometimes we all benefit from the end result. So thank you. All right anybody else any other council member? All right, let's move to C. Lend text, amendment 20.06.04. Create a process where the comprehensive land use plan and small area plans are being amended during the rezoning CZ process. Yes. This text amendment was recommended by council due to the fact that when a conditional zoning is heard, a change may be made that does not reflect what our comprehensive land use plan shows. And that can happen, that land use plan is a guide. Things change, so there are times when a project may be presented to Council that Council feels like is a good project for the town and they want to approve it. So we just wanted to add language in the ordinance. We added it to Article 5.4K under the Conditional Zoning section. It would basically state that these amendments are occurring at the time that the zoning map amendment is made, which is what a conditional zoning is. Mac McRally did review this to ensure that it was consistent with our new 160D legislation, because there's some specific language in there about basically just assuming when a rezoning is made, that is assumed that that comp plan is made as well. So that is the recommendation for TX-20-0604. All right. Thank you, Lynn. Any questions for Lynn or Mack on this please? My council. But I have a question here. Yes, ma'am Linda. I'm concerned about automatic changes to the map based on a conditional zoning. I'm not sure if there are not some unintended consequences that could come with that. And as we're looking at this now, I'm thinking about the thing before us tonight on Sharon Lane, which was asking for approval of something that was inconsistent with our plan. If that's approved, would we then automatically be making a change to the plan after this is adopted? That might allow other kinds of things like that to get approved in places we wouldn't want them to be approved. So that's my concern with this one do as July 1 next year. So whether the town passes this provision or not, 160D coming into effect July 1 of next year would say that the effect of passing an inconsistent zoning action is to also change the plan that underlies it if it's inconsistent. All right. Any other follow-up on Edlanda? Well, no, it sounds like it doesn't really matter how we... After July next year. Well, it does two things. One, it puts it in your ordinance so that people who focus on your ordinance and don't go look up the state law will understand this issue. And it also gives you an opportunity to suggest to applicants that if they think it looks inconsistent, that they come back to you with some suggestions about what they think would be consistent. It will highlight your staff, the notion that we ask those questions and either make a proposal to you or forward the applicants proposal so that you have the issue in front of you. Okay, well thank you for that clarification. All right. Any other questions for Lynn or Matt? All right. Any? Qua. Well, can you can you all hear me? 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All right. Thank you Robert All right, let's go to 7d text amendment 20.06.05 review table of uses and make town homes and other identified uses within the MU1 and MU2 districts conditional zoning. CZ, thank you Lynn. Yes, this is the amendment we're previously speaking of. A council ask staff to look at the table of uses and to find uses on there that we're previously speaking of, a council asked staff to look at the table of uses and to find uses on there that we could present to you all for consideration of making conditional zoning. The one that was of the main of main concern list townhounds, but in reviewing the table we did present you with the list of uses you see here in the district that are listed. And this would be recommended that all of these uses be made conditional zoning. What that means is these would come back to you, have to go through that conditional zoning process, which would include the subcommittee process as well. So the planning board did review this and they recommended approval of each of these uses. Uses is becoming conditional zoning and emitting the ordinance to reflect that. All right. Thank you, Lynn. Any questions from council to Lynn or Matt? Yes, sir. You don't mind. Yes, sir. So, Lynn, I'm again, we'll figure sure I understand is that we've got all these items that are listed down here that can be in multiple different types of areas. Does this conditional zoning only apply to MU1 and MU2? Or does it apply to all of these different elements that could fall outside in the other types of districts that we have? Good question. The original request was to look for uses in MU1 and MU2. But I also identified when I was looking at the table that some of these uses were allowed in other areas that the council may want to consider including them as conditional. So I included those as well. Town Center, which is the area around Town Hall, was one of those areas. And then we also have a district called CP485, which is an area set aside off of 45 it I'd allowed for office park use. And we included that as well as some uses along that C 74 district. All right. Good question, there, Stephen. And I'll get the recommendation from Lynn and Mack, but my thought is you'd included in all the zoning districts. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea that should reach C-74. All righty. Any other questions? Any follow-up questions? Does that answer your question? So what I think I heard is that say for an ABC store, whether it comes up as MU2 or in the town center, it would both of those would be conditional zoning. Yeah. All right. Any other questions'll open it up to the public. Any comments? All right. Moving on to E, including the subcommittee process within the conditional planning process. And it was presented to council with a couple of options. One of those was to add the subcommittee policy to our development ordinance. The other was to just make it a policy that the council could amend as needed. So they recommended the staff that we create a policy that would provide council subcommittee review during the conditional zoning process. So I'm going to walk you through this with the policies that you're possible. But the first thing we did is we stated that the conditional zoning process, excuse me, I'm left on these, my little boxes here. I can't read it. There you go. Part of the conditional zoning application process, the Council subcommittee meeting would be required, that the meeting would be scheduled by the development administrator prior to the planning board meeting unless all Council subcommittee members affirmatively notify the development administrator that he or she believes the meeting is unnecessary. This basically would allow the Council subcommittee members that are involved with that application to say whether or not they felt it was necessary. Also, additional subcommittee meetings may be held if requested by the Council subcommittee meeting majority. Like the meeting we had this evening on the large development agreement of the Office of Vidal Law in 45, we had one meeting and a second meeting was scheduled. The same thing would be true with the Conditional's Annual Subcommittee Policy. Secondly, a subcommittee meeting will not be scheduled until the applicant is submitted. All the required documents and sufficient time is the development administrator to review and ensure completeness. Review required documents would include a site plan, a completed TIA, if applicable, a complete list of how the proposed development differs from the Stanley Development Order because it's your well-aware. With the conditional zoning application a lot of times what's being requested is different than the Ordnance Standards and then any other documents seem necessary about the Development Administrator to understand how the project complies with town standards and policies. Next slide, please. Thirdly, the development administrator will schedule all council subcommittee meetings for 5 PM prior to regularity and found council meetings based on availability. This is the process that the council's already adopted. We would just recommend that these standing meetings be continued. We found that this works well. When we have more than one development agreement or any subcommittee meetings, we found it difficult to schedule those. And we found that having the standing meetings at 5 p.m. for council meetings worked well. So we would recommend that that continue. For the development and administrator will provide the Council subcommittee members with the application and supporting materials, at least three business days in advance of the scheduled subcommittee meeting, which is typically the Wednesday the week before the Monday meeting. Similar to when the Council agenda packets go out. Fifthly, as the subcommittee members will be assigned is outlined in Table 7-1 of Article 7-1-5 as the Stanley's Development Ordnance. This is where we define the development subcommittee. Excuse me, the subcommittee for the development agreement process, we would just use the same committee structure there and they would be appointed similar. The subcommittee member is unable to attend the scheduled meeting, then the council subcommittee may select another council member to serve in his or her place. Sixth information from the subcommittee shall be included with the recommendations and comments of the development administrator and be reported to the planning board. The subcommittee may choose to make recommended conditions or no recommended conditions at all. So what would happen is any recommendation that came out of that subcommittee process, a staff would include in their staff report, and that would be presented to the planning board, and then would finally come to counsel during the public screen process as well. And then lastly, the subcommittee staff is designed to encourage dialogue between the applicant and council members and help facilitate discussion. Any information shared during this process is not to be construed as an approval ordinile of the proposed application or any kind of commitment by the template, so ever. One difference between a development agreement and a conditional zoning is with the conditional zoning, uses are being considered, and an application could be denied. That was one of the reasons council really wanted to get away from the development agreement process and make a lot of these things conditional zoning so that you all have the ability to basically turn something down if you felt like it wasn't in the best interests of the town. So we're saying here we just want to make it very clear that even though we're going through this process, maybe recommendations are being made, discussions are being had, but it in no way is ensuring any type of approval or denial of the application. That's the policy that staff put together. It was reviewed with the manager as well as Mr. McCarley. If you have any questions comments, I'd be glad to address those. All right, thank you Lynn. Any questions for Lynn or Mack on this? Any questions for Linda Mack on this? Just just to just to comment mayor. Yeah, to me, this is the, I know there's some debate about the effectiveness of this and the. But this is what I think on the eight months I've been in the seat. I think we've been looking for in Lentek, Lentek said it well, just the leverage. I don't know how many times I've heard us to I don't like it but I'm sorry they're grandfathered in because they met the development ordinance and there's no leverage. We talked about that tonight at five o'clock and it almost sets up this this idea of their right who's right. Let's go to court over it and who wants to do that. So I'm pleased to hear that this gives us leverage that no longer do we have to negotiate through development agreement and ask for things but we can do it up front and I think we can do it with with good staff, prep and good council prep. So I like this one. All right any other questions or comments for Lynn or Mack? All right. That wraps up number seven, Leon and Mack. Thank you all very much for y'all's a lot of work on this and whoever else helped you with you, Aaron. I'll close the public hearing on number seven, item number seven on the agenda. All right. Next up is number eight. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, if I could ask for a five minute break. Sure. So I would appreciate it. All right. We'll adjourn for five minutes. We don't need a motion. So I would appreciate it. All right, we'll adjourn for five minutes. We don't need a motion. you you you you you I'm going to ask you they have approved it and we can pull some stuff together for you. Um. I would personally rather have some additional questions. I think it's a good question. I just want to know if they have approved it and we can pull some stuff together for you. Um. and pull some stuff together for you. I would personally rather have some additional clarification because I don't think there was enough clarification with my question to have you proceed. So I'll bring it up again. We got a month before we, well, how long? Yeah, about a month before we meet again. Well, I was going to ask you if you could call a special meeting to vote on these amendments rather than wait a month because we're getting applications again fast and furious. So I have these adopted. Well, we're meeting again on the 24th. You know, to do. We'll talk about the the DA up at out of our room or stints and villas. Right. Well, we could do it in combination with that or we could do a single item agenda just to do this. Either way, it's your call. If we wanted to continue this meeting to a date certain or call special meeting with with both those options be available to us. Yes sir they would if you wanted to continue this meeting you would just recess it to a date and time certain and as long as that's more than 24 hours away you'll be in compliance with the virtual virtual public hearing statute. You'll be in compliance with the virtual virtual public hearing statute. Is it 24 or 48 hours? I thought it was 48. I can't remember Alex. Do you remember? Leave it's 24. I believe that 48 is for the notice, but 48 hours is the notice to call a special meeting. But I think it's 24 for being able to take that you have to leave your public hearing open for additional comments that come in for 24 hours. So this will end at 10 o'clock tonight, so 24 hours will be after 10 o'clock tomorrow night. I'm mostly testing that. No. Groups. Can you hear me? Yes. or what's showing up iPhone on the screen there. Well, I'll call this, Linda, I'll call the special meeting on the 24th at 6 630. It'll give us an hour and a half with a stint and village. Okay. That sounds good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, everybody back. Thank you. Yes. Let's see. Brad, you back. Yes, Mayor. Sorry. I take longer than I should have. That's right. David's back. Heather, you back. I'm here. Heather, I'm going to be Steven. All right. Here we go. All right. Number eight, cz20.02.01. Court yards are waiting to. Here, just real quick, I believe we had moved up that out of all of our plan discussion ahead of that item and just for staffs understanding. We're going to be doing a special meeting at 630 August 24th to discuss continue discussions and potentially vote on the all the agenda agenda items under number seven. Correct? Yes. Thank you, sir. Yeah, eight a. Is that a while smaller your plan and then eight is the CZ? Sir. A clarification question. Is it just items seven or is it all of the public hearings you've held tonight. Just to me, I was just item seven. Linda. Linda's meeting. Linda, you're on mute. Linda, you're muted. I said my intent was to just do the ordinances, but I have no objection to voting on all of the public hearings that we've opened and discussed tonight. Might be a more efficient way to do it instead of having these marathon meetings. All right. Well, it's due because that'll put the Arissa holdings and the Sharon Lane. Now, sharing lane, you know, we, like I said, we need to give them some feedback. Oh, you know, so hopefully everybody can do that within a couple of weeks. What let him macro y'all available on that date. Yes, sir. Yeah. Yes. All righty. CZ20.02.01. Recess from our 713 meeting. Yes, this is a presentation that we've already been through. I'm happy to do it again if you all need a refresher. What is being requested, this is the request made by the court yards at Weddington Road's HOA. They are looking to amend, I believe condition number eight or seven. And if you could forward the slides. Number eight. Number eight, thank you. Of the originally approved conditional zoning, there was an emergency entrance gate that was required off of Matthews and Wellington Road. They would like to have that condition removed. Is anybody have this? Brad, just for the sake of time, I think we went through this last time. I at least make the motion to approve the rezoning cz11.10, courtyard's waiting room just to see if I get a second we can move on. I'll second. and we can move on. I'll second that. Second. Mr. Richardson, could we amend the motion? That is actually the originally approved CZ number. The number of the new one is a CZ20. It's on the, if you can go back to the cover slide, the CZ numbers on there. Yeah, so make a motion, Mayor to approve CZ20.02.01. the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and can Aaron can you do a roll call please? Yes sir district one Martin. Hi. District two shall. Hi. District three Paxton. My district four grooms. I district five heirs. Hi. District six Richardson. Hi. All righty that's unanimous. Thank you all. District five ares. I district six Richardson. Hi. All right, that's unanimous. Thank y'all. Thank you, Brad. All right, next up is eight a the out of wild small area planned at we recess from 713 2020. Can you go to the next slide, Aaron? Just very briefly, at the subcommittee meetings that Council hold in June, the group for the Idle Wild Small Area Plan made a recommendation that an amendment be made to the Idle Wild Small Area plan made a recommendation that an amendment be made to the Idle Wild Small Area plan that would reflect single family adjacent to Shandomara is about 100 foot buffer. And it's seen go to the next slide, Aaron, it shows the map that we sketched that evening. We did present this at the last council meeting. Council wanted a little bit more time to think about it. We are just looking for direction from council this evening as to whether or not to go ahead and initiate these amendments. All right. Any comments or questions for Leonard Mac. I think Max still here on this one. Aren't you, Matt? Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. I guess I guess the one concern I do have is that are we treating Shana Mara equally to how we treat other existing subdivisions in the town of Stollings that 100 foot buffer and don't get me wrong, I strongly support protecting existing neighborhoods. That 100-foot buffer is anywhere from 5 to 10 times greater than anything else that we've had in the last, at least a year, if not longer. I mean I've got development next to me that I've got a one-foot for my property line to where they started doing grading and the entire subdivision got 10 feet. So are we being fair? Are we setting ourselves up to be challenged here from other communities that aren't as well protected or haven't been as well protected historically. All righty. Thanks for the comments. Mac or Lynn any comments? Your present small area plan in that for that area says that protection of existing single family is important. What this would do is simply add a visual representation of that. If you decide on the plan that you've got tonight, Stinson Village, that you're not going to approve it as submitted, you have the going to approve it as submitted. You have the grounds to turn that one down based on the material, the text in your small area plan that says protect single family. What this will do is tell people in the future who want to develop that property specifically what you mean. I don't think it presents a legal challenge to you that you have decided to protect this area more so than you might have protected another area because this happens to be an exceptionally large single-family development that you could easily argue deserves a different level of protection. I'm not worried from a legal point of view. All right. Thank you, Mac. Any other comments? Council? Mr. Donor, we are we open for public comment. No, this is not a public hearing. Okay, thank you. I can see what what you're saying, John, how it how you feel like, you know, be treating this neighborhood different than other neighborhoods. Thank you. I can see what you're saying, John, how you feel like, be treating this neighborhood different than other neighborhoods. I completely see that. I also think that maybe we have to start somewhere. Somebody has to be the first one to get the good treatment. So the other neighborhoods to follow can also get that good treatment. And there else. Now, it's a good question, John. I appreciate the sentiment. I'll support this tonight. I also, however, and not for tonight. I think we're all running low on juice. But between now and the 24th of August, just have a staff I ask you to just give us a paragraph or two about the relationship of this action tonight and that text amendment one where we're decoupling small area plans from development ordinances. It seems like we're in one case minimizing them. And in this case specifying them. So again, not for discussion tonight. I'm going to sport this, but I would like clarification on that before the 24th. Mr. Richardson, can I give you a one sentence answer to that? Yes, sir. The amendment you discussed earlier would give you discretion to follow the plan or to find that it's inconsistent and make a change. This would simply say you may be more specific about what you want in a particular area and follow that. The amendment that you're looking at in the earlier section was to say you aren't required to follow the small area plan if you no longer believe it's accurate for the area. Thank you. Thank you, Mac. Thank you, Brad. Any other comments, questions? My question is, is this on the 13th? Are we voting tonight? Yeah, we're voting tonight. You need a motion or consensus? We need a motion. I'd like to make that motion. All right. I'll second. All right. Well, we need to read some motion into. Can you go back a slide there? Yeah, where's the wording? Yeah, can you read that, David, into the record and then add the buffer? I make a motion that we amend the Idle Wild Small Area Plan to show a single family residential where Jason to Shenamara and to also include a 100 foot buffer. All right. Motion by Mr. Show. Heather, did you want to second that again? I'll second. Second by Mr. Miss Grumes. Any further discussion? miss miss grooms any further discussion. Again, it's not that I don't want to protect Shana Mara. It's just the 100-foot buffer plus single families and awful lot. I take 50 feet plus single family would be great and that's better than anywhere else in town who's gotten 100 feet with multi-family I think great but 100 feet and say there's a thousand linear feet of property. You're, I mean, that's easily half million dollars worth of land. So is that being too extreme? I just want to be fair and impartial to everyone else in town that isn't getting the same treatment. All righty. Thank you for the comments. And so we have a motion on the floor and a second. Aaron, can you call out the roll call please? Yes, sir. District one, Martin. You're like being set up here, but may. District two, shall. District three, Paxton. Hi. District four, Grames. I'm going to go to the district. I'm going to go to the district district. I'm going to go to the district district. I'm going to go to the district. I'm going to go to the district. I'm going to go to the district. I'm going to go to the district. I'm going to go to the district. I'm going to go to the district. I'm going to go to the district. I'm going to go to the district. District six, Richard's end. Although I respect your thoughts. All right, motion passes, five to one with Mr. Martin opposing. All right, next up is we know a number nine. Yep. The DA 19.03.03 Broad Street homes. So then you're up again. I'm going to see the meeting. I see you're up again. Mayor, I'm going to see the meeting. I see you're up again. Mayor, I'm going to see the meeting. I see you're up again. Mayor, I'm going to see the meeting. I see you're up again. Mayor, I'm going to see the meeting. I see the meeting. I see the meeting. I see the meeting. I see the meeting. I see the meeting. Yes, Mr. Mayor. This is a development agreement. We held the public meeting at the last our last meeting or the public hearing. This is the presentation that we saw last month. I'm happy to go through it again if you would like. I'll leave that up to you as to whether or not you want me to walk you through the entire presentation again. Does anybody require that on the council? Yeah. No sir, but I do have some questions. Right, if one person wants it, we'll do it. But go ahead, Steven, with your questions, I might, can you bring up some of the pictures? Yeah. And my questions are basically are just around the fact that I will openly tell everybody that my work, my day job has certainly been very busy the last couple of weeks. And I know that there's been numerous emails that have gone back and forth with this developer and I guess my biggest question was, has anything changed since it was presented to us at the last meeting? I mean that's basically it. I think one of the things that was discussed after last month, maybe I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor. No, I was just going to ask you to answer that question. Sorry. Okay, that's all right. One of the main things that was discussed was the buffering of the homes directly, they were going to be a directly adjacent to stallings road. Several issues were discussed as to whether or not landscaping would be appropriate. If syncing would be a better option there. And the applicant did make several, or provided the town with several options. Aaron, if you can scroll down, I have included those in this presentation. And the applicants here this evening as well, and I believe they're ready to talk about this as well and what they're willing to do to ensure that those, the back of those homes are screened adequately and buffered. If you want to keep going, I think that there's a very end of the presentation. There's some, keep going. There's a couple of cross sections. There we go. And I can let the applicant address these as well. They prepare these and I think that they are prepared to answer any questions you all may have. So Chris, if you want to discuss what you're proposing in terms of buffering. I'll turn it over to you. Sure, good evening everybody again. It's been about an hour since we last spoke. We did send a couple of emails and we've been communicating with Council Member Martin as well as Council Member Paxton regarding the buffer along Stallings Road. And in our developer agreement, as is currently written, we've provided an exhibit for enhanced landscaping along Stollings Road. And additional concerns were brought up, could fencing be added as well. And what we suggest is that we would still like to include, obviously, the enhanced landscaping along Stollings Road, which at maturity we believe will be the best buffer, which will look the best as you drive down obviously Staling's road. In addition to that, each of the lots that front Staling's road will be providing a fence for that property owner, a six-foot shadow box style privacy fence as well. So with the addition of the fence that's for those lots, a uniform fence, an addition with landscaping which will at maturity cover it, I think that really kind of you know does the best of both worlds. So you have the mature landscaping to point. And then from the homeowner standpoint, they also have a fence with some privacy. And again, that will give you some short-term screening. But ultimately, the landscaping as a matures, we believe will look the best. So what we think what we'd like to propose is just adding a language that we would also provide defense for the back of the properties of uniform fence in addition to the enhanced landscaping which is currently already in the developer, the draft development agreement. All right. Any questions for Chris? Does that answer your question, Stephen? It does, but it also opens up a couple more concerns. There are some areas around by making that fence part of that person's property that does also mean that that person unilaterally has the ability to take that fence down. So that's one question that I have. The other piece of it is that there are some other communities that have done similar things where they've made the fence as part of the individual lot and made that upkeep. And what we see over time is that as time progresses, each individual person upkeeps that fence differently. And over time, some sections are worse off than other sections and some get painted, some don't get painted. And so I'm a little concerned that if it's left up to the individual and kind of enforcement through the homeowners association, that fence will never look uniform after it starts to weather a little bit. And so I did have some questions around whether or not since we'll never look uniform after it starts to weather a little bit. And so I did have some questions around whether or not it would be individualized or whether or not that fence would be communal property that's owned by the HOA and up kept by the HOA. Well, this is a, to me, it'd be the HOA, we can't legislate everything. No, I'm just. And that's what this would do if we tried to legislate that you can't take down the fans that you have to paint it. I don't want to get into that. That's I don't think that's our role. I mean, they're great questions, but I just leave it up to the HOA or they don't form an HOA. You know, just leave it up to the individual property owner. Yeah, and just council members, the fence upkeep would be mandated, and there will be an HOA, so that would be part of the requirements. I understand the enforcement, some HOAs are doing a great job enforcing, some do not, but that's certainly something as we choose a manager for the HWA, that's something that we look for as we make that decision. So again, we just, you know, I think ultimately, again, at maturity of the landscaping is what's going to, you're not going to see the fence in three years or four years. So that's, I think it creates a temporary solution as that landscaping's first planted for the privacy. And certainly that fence is brand new. So the first few years, it's obviously it's when it looks the best. So I think that from our standpoint, a good compromise and hopefully addresses all the council members concerns. All right. What else, Stephen? But those were my two. Thank you. Got your shirt. All right. Anybody else? Questions for Lynn or Chris? So do we have the verbiage for that fence? As a condition? Malik, can you do something on the fly? Yeah, I was not copy that any of those emails that apparently went out last week or about this issue. But I'm sure we can add some language. You want it to be that the... What's the... Alex here, I would make a suggestion is maybe we could develop some general broad parameters of the type of fancy, just the fence, what we're looking for generally. And then maybe the accounts tool could approve it. what we're looking for generally and then maybe the accounts tool could approve it. Contention on adding that condition, contingent on down-to-tourney approval, something like that. Is that the concern you want the fence to come back for your approval or do you feel comfortable with Lynn? Yeah, just making some sort of contingent approval. I said you or Lynn or me or whoever, you know, I think, you know, we want to make sure a lot of times when you come up with this kind of legal language, you can miss something in my experience, just making it up on the fly at a council meeting. So maybe just approving it contingent on staff, whether it's melody or me or a letter, whoever approving the actual draft language. Can I get a motion from somebody? Melanie, are you both out approach? I am. It's the concern that the exhibit doesn't because the exhibit's part of the DA that the exhibit doesn't have enough information about the fence that there's a concern it might not be a condition. Yeah, I was just looking for some clarification. What I'm looking for is that, you know, it being built within 30 days of occupancy of the home, for all the homes that are backing up to Stalingford Road, the fence be uniform and size material and color for all properties. And I guess the fence being maintained is a part of the HOA. Hey, that sounded like a motion to me. That's a lot of detail there, John. Yeah. That sounded like a motion to me. That's a lot of detail there, John. So. All right. John, what do you want this fence to look like? You know, I don't want white vinyl. I just want something beautiful. That fits in with the. And I can be out of order on that. But I just want something uniform. Maybe something wooden, you know Be looking for a tall privacy fence kind of thing or a small rail at least like a six foot. I see fence So the biggest problem we have with one of the existing developments so long stallings road that we approved a couple of years ago is that we're looking right into people's backyards and you've got one that has that funky looking white privacy fence and then everybody else just has a hodgepodge of things and it just it's kind of an eye sore drive along the road and when you think of nice well-developed walkable communities they all have those those nice walls a budding major transportation avenues. And so I'm just looking to take a step in that direction with this development and future developments. And we can we have perhaps minister Hanson, if he has a suggestion, maybe he might be able to give us some specifics to add to your motion. Sure, and again, what's in the draft language now is the enhanced landscaping which we provided exhibits for. Right. And the fencing was just part of some dialogue that we've had with a couple council members. So, you know, I'm absolutely okay with adding that language of Council Member Martin where it is a uniform. In fact, in the development agreement as written, any home has to have, any home has a fence, a husband uniform. So we've taken that measure just to make sure you don't have a rot iron next to a vinyl fence as you brought up. So that's currently in the development agreement, but I think adding language that the uniform fence along the units at front, stallings road, have to uniform maintain and maintain by the HWA and that I think provides, again, the privacy that's look for provides a matter of security for the homeowners. And I still believe that ultimately, there's, when that landscaping is mature, it's really gonna look much nicer and really be the long-term solution. So we're just trying to provide that short-term solution as well. So, Melanie, we can certainly work on the language, but I would just ask that if we have a basic approval contingent upon you know that language that the councilman Martin suggested. Yeah I mean I agree with you Chris just contingent upon Lynn and Melanie approval and they've heard what John wants and the rest of the council wants. approval and they've heard what John wants and the rest of the council wants. John, could you make a motion? I think I don't want to put you on the spot, but sound like you hit the nail on the head. Yeah, I would make the motion to approve DA 190303 Broad Street Holmes Inc. Slashdelling Elementary subdivision with the additional contingency that within 30 days of occupancy any homes backing to Staling's road will be installing a fence that will be uniform in size color and material to the adjacent properties and That's the motion. All righty, thank you. Can I get a second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Grounds, any further discussion? I'm afraid that the way John just worded this fencing thing that if you have a house that goes built in, you know, just hypothetically in the next two months. And the last house, along there's built two years later, that it's going to look like a hodgepodge that do the weathering and other stuff. I don't know. I'm not in favor of the fence, but everyone else is. So that's one of my concerns. I just think that enhanced the subcommittee work hard to make sure that the back was gonna look pretty good with landscaping and I feel comfortable that the landscaping will look pretty darn nice and I'd rather that than a wall down my street like that. So I'm in favor of the project, but not defense. Well, can I just say from experience here and Fairhaven that we've had to replace so much landscaping the past two years? I mean, I really do agree that that fence will just, it would be a great temporary solution to where you won't get long run. But it will take like five years. I looked up all of the plants that they're going to use. It's going to take at least five years for those to reach, you know, their maturity. And I think if we do the wood Privacy Fence and maybe they, they built it all at the same time versus when each house is built, then it would weather at the same pace. Well, you got grading when the house is built, they're not gonna grade all those lots at one time. I don't think. Gotcha. And then they go plant seeds, so they're gonna build a fence as they build the house. Okay. We're just gonna have to live with that,'t think. Gotcha. Okay. And then they go plant seeds. So they're gonna build the fence as they build the house. Okay. We're just gonna have to live with that, I think. So, but thank you for that comment, David. So we're all taken. So I got a motion in a second. Aaron, can you read off the, take the roll call please? Yes, sir. District one, Martin. Hi. District two, I district two shall. Very very hesitant. I. District three Paxton. I. District four Grames. I. District five airs. I. District six Richardson. Aye. All right motion passes six. So thank you all for that. I. 6 Richard. Aye. Motion passes 6. So thank you all for that. Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir. I know that this has come up twice just since I've been coming to meetings and since the election. I just wonder if it it behooves us to potentially either request possibly that we consider not a way that we may not get into this scenario again. Because it seems very decisive as far as houses being closed to the road. I don't know if maybe our ordinance we just need to clarify that a little bit or have a discussion about it. I don't know. It just seems like if it's something that we're constantly discussing here, that it seems like maybe there's some gray area that might be, could be worked on within our ordinance. I don't know. It just can't. Well, talk to Lynn about that. And she would you can find out. Well, I mean, I don't want to be the only one. I mean, does anybody else think that we need to possibly do some type of augmentation to the ordinance so that we don't have this type of scenario in the future. Maybe let's bring that up at the next meeting when we have clear minds and not as much left to do tonight. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. All right, we've got two things left. Number 11, waste connections, Mr. Martin? Yeah, just wanted to bring this to the council. Uh, we've had a recurring theme in, in the north part of Staling's four, but I would say at least six months have not a little bit longer where, the north part of Staling seems to be getting, uh, repeated issues with GVSA where trash shouldn't be picked up timely and tire neighborhoods are being missed. Just a recurring theme and the perception of the community is that the vendor isn't holding up their end of the bargain. I don't know whether it's true or not, but I definitely wanted to ask staff and bring it to council as we've worked with the vendor quite a few times behind the scenes on the issue. This is a, earlier with all the requests or all the action items and installings where things were missed or something wasn't quite right. And looking through this, a lot of these are contained verbiage from the actual vendor itself where there's maybe not necessarily a miss pickup or there's another issue with the actual address. So I don't know, I was able to glean a lot of value off that just in the amount of time I was able to look at it, but I know if you could kind of add two some things and color out what you're seeing from a community and with the vendor. Well, I did want to know that Mr. Tim Fadoul with Waste Connections is online or has joined the meeting. So he is willing and able to answer any questions that you have. We have seen significant improvement since you met with us, Council Member Martin. I honestly I don't even remember when that was been several months ago now. But the report that you the council received this afternoon highlights all of the incidences that have been recorded in trackies, which is the software that is used by our staff and by waste connections to report any misses problems, even compliments, so anything that comes through it's coded. So whatever direction council is looking at for us to go will be happy to do so and like I said, Mr. Ferdille is on the line as well. Thank you, appreciate it. So, Mr. Fadoul, could you speak to some of the concerns we've raised? Because I think more than anything, we're looking for some resolution to some of the recurring issues and your help in driving down the perception that GBUSA is prone to some of these issues. So, could you help us work through that? Absolutely, thank you for having me, Mr. Mayor. Council members of staff, my name is Tim Fadol. And on behalf of Waste Connections, GBA USA, thank you for having me here. The information that Aaron sent out just to briefly go through that, then talk about some of the things that we've been doing and have done in the last 30 days, which should help address this. So I believe it actually has helped us. But we sorted through a report on track ease that the report date is August 1, 2019 through January of this year. And the total number of entries and track ease for that timeframe, which is basically 25 weeks is 789 comments, or items, action items were opened. And I think Councilman Martin, you had said this that there are even high number of items that our drivers called in. And actually at the 789, 347 of those were things that our drivers called in. And they're not necessarily problems or complaints. It's just information our drivers are passing along. Maybe a car is contaminated or there's an issue that they see, that they just want us to put, you know, have as a matter of record. Of the 789, there are a total of 171 events entered that were service failures or thought to be service failures. Just pick up on trash and just pick up on recycling and so on. To give you a basic idea. And then the other things are, you know, card swap outs, delivering cards. You know, I included in that 171, actually improper cart placements. Because that's something that, you know, we've done wrong in the eyes of the resident. Okay. When we met a few months ago, one of the things that was your concern was, particularly on Thursdays, the end of the late Thursdays and the section and northern stallings that we were getting to late. And you know we've looked at doing different things but ultimately 30 days ago we added another truck on Thursday and we actually because those residents were used to being picked up late and I shouldn't say they're used to it. It's just that was a common occurrence being delayed because if we had a problem on the last day, it's hard to recover because we're out of time. And so things get pushed later. And because of the issues that took place, we've actually 30 days ago moved that area where we were having problems to earlier in a day. And then on Thursdays, we've added another truck. I don't believe that the issues that we've had prior to that we've experienced in the last 30 days because I'm changing the routing around and adding the extra truck, which is really the biggest help. Definitely. Thank you. You're welcome. around and adding the extra truck, which is really the biggest help. Definitely. Thank you. You're welcome. At the end of the day, we looked at doing a lot of different things, but ultimately we had to add the truck. And that has been the biggest game changer. All right. Any other comments or questions? Is anything else, Mr. Martin? No, I appreciate GBO Sabian here tonight to speak to things and I appreciate you guys working towards the partnership with the town of Stalington. Thank you. We're hopefully more than welcome. Hopefully Aaron sent you a text and you just got on the call a minute ago. She was very good about that. Thank you Well, she runs a great meeting. Keeps everybody in last all right last one Thank you. Thank you, sir Western Union County municipal municipalities alliance Linda you're up Yes, and I'll be brief because I know everybody's tired. We've been at this stop of clock. But what I've brought before you tonight is a request to adopt a resolution and to authorize the council in May or to enter into an interlocal agreement with five towns on the Western edge of Union County. And I'll tell you a little bit of the history here. This started with a conversation between Elizabeth Callis, who's the Mayor of Wellington and Wesley Chapel primarily with the concern of ETJ and wanting to approach the County Commissioners to allow those towns to have ETJ but as they talked they were aware that there was broader opportunity here to do joint planning and collaboration on land use and transportation as well as ETA and also economic development. So Elizabeth consulted with the town attorney for Weddington and what evolved from that was a suggestion to have the resolution formalized and to invite the towns to enter into an interlecal agreement. So at this point in town, time, they've invited standings to participate. It was originally Weddington, Wesley Chapel, Middell Springs, and Marvin. And I told Elizabeth I thought the council had a lot of interest in those issues and was also concerned about wanting ETJ and that I would bring it to you all to see if there would be support for entering into this. The plan would be to have the mayors of the towns to be the primary delegate and then to appoint a second person and in the beginning they would like to meet once a month to try to get momentum going but thinking that probably after some time they would meet just quarterly. So that's the proposal. You do have a copy in your packet of the resolution as well as the interlocal agreement. And I'll be happy to try to answer any questions if you have questions. As a quick one might be of what it. Aren't we still involved in the quad to the try? Well, we're still involved, but we haven't met in quite a while. Alex, did I miss a meeting or something? So, sorry, I believe it's been on hold due to the pandemic. Pandemic, yeah. Yeah, we're still involved, but the amount of time on that is minimal. Yeah, and John is the Indian trail Wesley Chapel and whoever else was meeting a year or so ago still going. We pretty much stopped because of the pandemic and that kind of raises a good point. I all four getting the community, excuse me, the municipalities together, but I think without Indian trail stallings and wax off standing firm, we're not going to be nearly as effective as we can be. Those are some of my first thoughts. We're already involved in some informal groups, this formalizes the alliance, but I'm hesitant to think of what we have in common with Marvin for a whole lot of issues. But again, I'm all for communications amongst municipalities and this is way to go, this is okay. But there's no cost. There's a little bit of time involved and it's not staff time. It's our time or mayor's time and wherever volunteers, but that's what we want. That'll work, I suppose. Yeah. Just don't know what value would get out of it. Yeah. Well, did they invite Waxall or was there reason why they didn't include Waxall? I was not involved in the invitation, so I'm not sure. I don't know if Waxall was invited and declined, or if they just did not extend an invitation to them, but the agreement does allow for other parties to join in. So I think they wanted to just get something rolling and I anticipate that particularly if those towns were interested in being a part of this that they could join at a later time. I do think this is very similar to what was attempted with Indian Trail and I attended some of those meetings with John and I think David you did as well. I think it was not as well organized and I think particularly with the mayors providing the leadership here that this has a better chance of being successful. Unfortunately, a lot of those Indian trail meetings just kind of turned into a bit of a bull session and I'm not sure it was real effective in... Well, they don't have them, they don't have that manager anymore so they might change. Yeah. Well, I have no problem attending this meeting virtually and getting it started and if it doesn't see if it's a waste of time, we'll get out of it. I have no problem recommending that. We'll see what I'll support it and then I hope the rest of the council does too. I'm going to go ahead and move on to the motion. Well, Linda, you want to do the motion? Yes, I'll do the motion. To have council adopt the resolution and enter into the interlocal agreement with the western Union County municipal allowance. All right, motion by Ms. Paxton. Can I get a second? Now a second. Brad was second. Brad Richardson second. Any further discussion? We need to name the delegate tonight as well. I think that would be us, but I thought we'd do the adoption first. Okay. All right. And could you go do the roll call, please? Yes, sir. District. All right. And could you go do the roll call please? Yes, sir. District one Martin. Aye. District two shall. Aye. District three. Paxton. Aye. District four grames. Aye. District five ares right place. District six Richard sign. All right motion passes six out. So I thought I was a delegate. But we need to report one. You're out to the digital delegate. There needs to be a backup. Yeah, there needs to be an alternate. Oh, okay. We have a volunteer. I nominate Linda. Oh, I think. Stephen, did you raise your hand? Yes, sir. I would prefer not to do this and I think Stephen would be an excellent delegate. Second. Second. All right. Stephen, you're in. All right. Thank you. All right. Can I get a motion to adjourn? Absolutely. We adjourn. I think that was Mr. Ay? Absolutely. We adjourn. I think that was Mr. Ares and seconded by Mr. Richardson. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Thank y'all. You're in your pay tonight. Oh, five hours, 15 minutes. All righty. Thank you all. Good night. Good night, guys.