The work's been going into the night of wine for us. All right. OK, let's get started. I plan on going to the coffee game. I'm trying. OK, transportation. This year we put a little bit of a different approach. And we had last year, last year we some current year revenue to fund some of our projects. And while there's a pretty large increase in the budget, you see 1.7, 1.2 million versus 1.236. The majority of it isn't a road here. The roads have, we've got a new system. The roads can be talking about that. There we do have a new system now where we are going through and evaluating our roads. And the thing that this did come up with is to summary, we need to put some money in the road. So we took that very seriously for this budget. You can see that we did have a few cost reductions in this budget compared to last year and really it's just a shift more than a cost reduction. The first line is the salaries and employee benefits. That's because with a town engineer position is not in a salary line anymore. It's under outside services and we do have a part-time calendar that we are using. So that costs reduction if you look below the outside services part-time engineer. While only that line item only went up $46,000 there were some offsets to it. We're spending approximately $70,000 in both stormwater because it's split between the two stormwater and this department of transportation to the continent to the four-day park plants services. Another cross reduction on the above was the transportation master plan. We moved that from 2022 and put it out another year so that was the savings of $25,000 compared to last year. And the capital outlay, we removed the, that was the only capital outlay, it was listed for last year, we removed that line, it removed $15,000. So the increases, the gateway signage last year was in the budget at $200,000. We've gotten some rock estimates on that and it has gone up. So the cost we have in this year's budget for that signage is $300,000 total. And the last part of it I told you about the red repair increase. We have taken all of we're gonna we what we have in this budget worker posting that we use all of our cow bill funds. all of our cow bill funds. That makes sense to actually be this because they are restricted funds. And this gives us a really nice chunk of money to use this year towards that. So there's about, when you look at, there's about a $700,000 reserve in those funds right now, when we consider what we had to use this year. We get 400 around 400 to $420,000 a year in Palpatta funds. And this past year we had used some money for road repairs, but it was actually first prior fiscal years funds that we were using because we didn't do any work in the part of the year. So now we have this fiscal year 2022 and 2023 funds within the Powerville money that we can use. So I thought we would use those. We have another chunk coming in, a $400,000 coming in for the revenue for this coming year. So we have the funds to be able to use the Pell Bill funds and get a very large portion of the revenue purse completed this year. And here I explain the Pell Bill funds. Actually we're projected then to be $715,000 in additional 445 in public revenue, making the total pounds of funds available for 20, 23, 1.1, 6 million and we are using 1.1 million at that 1.6, 1.26. Okay. And then there was a, the assessment that I was talking about. They also did a payment assessment and they utilize a software or test projects and established budgets for each of those as well. And I'm going to turn it over. Okay, I'm sorry. This might be good. What you were just starting to say might be what I was going to ask. When would be a was going to ask. When would be a good time to ask about the details of how to apply? We can do that now. That was something that I believe Justin or Bo would have figured out that opportunity to let you know how we actually get those ones from the state. So I am going to turn it over to them at this point. Or do you come up here? Yeah, March 1, quick thing. But do 1 point on 6, spend 1.1 on rows. Yeah, so at least that's 60 pounds. So that's the size of the wall. Yep. OK, so you go down. You just get the number. OK, make it go to the next slide. If you want to go down, you just get to know that, okay? Make it go to the next slide, you want to go back, you get to go there. I don't know if you knew, so I figured out that. No, that's good. Thank you. Hi. So, I'm sure you're question. Justin is more an expert on the Power Build funding component. But it's really just a straight calculation based off of the lane miles that you have, you know, the linear footage of roadway or mileage that you have in your population. So, the more roadways you have and the larger your town is and the higher your funding is. Right now the town has roughly 52 to 53 miles of roadway and then each year we submit documentation to the state that identifies roads that have either been added to the network or sometimes there's a number of the road that comes off or that work goes back to the CVOT. So they look at our data, population information, obviously if there was any areas that were in the next into the town, that would change that as well. Every year we, projects are going through, private development projects, single family residential neighborhoods, and those projects move step down when they come through they do so with the intent of turning the roads into the town, once the roads that are constructed and accepted. And so as they do that, then there are obviously every way to network groups, and as that grows, then the funding we receive from the state would increase. To my knowledge, it's been roughly the same for several years now. The funding just general order is same. It's the same dollar. I think generally it's a pretty good same dollar now. So the dollars that they are allocating I think generally it's pretty much the same dollar. So the dollars that they are allocating to the program that's not in, it's basically being the same. It just depends on how big you are and how many streets you have in your control that sort of dictate the size of the pie that you get. All right. Is that answer your question? Meriper, Tim Shovel. I think what you're asking is, what's the percentage house it distributed? And it's 75% of the population, 25% of the population, so the five are the only ones. Maybe this is something for us another time, population 25% based on certified early mileage. Maybe this is something first, another time, maybe it's time we look at maybe lobbying or like we've just about making that change or maybe I don't understand why. We have 53 miles and another town has 53 miles but they have twice as many residents. Same number of roads miles have to be maintained and take care of. I just want to make sure we're getting on their chair. So for the time of the day. Yes, good point. So, yes, good point. So, going into, picking up, we're in March of that time. So you may recall last December, when we came before Council, and discussed the, not to get this, maybe before December, so we started the project in December. So, we did a payment-conditioned index of all the project in the summer. So we did a pavement-conditioned index evaluation of all the streets in the town. So we went through and followed the state certified approach to evaluating the streets and trying to understand the condition that they're in. And so there's a process that you do that, that you undertake to do in that. The all 33 miles of roads within the town were assessed by staff, consultants. From that, the data was collected and incorporated into the calculation methodology. And essentially what happens at the end of it, it spits out a PCI index number for each segment of stringing it down. So let's on the screen here, this shows the general range of PCI values. So at the high end, you got 100, 100 is the brand new revenue's parking condition. Once you get it down to below 10, that root is considered to be a failed root. And then you've got a whole range of qualifiers in between that from satisfactory, anything from 70 to 85 from our value is considered to be satisfactory in this work and fine. Fair is 85 to 57. Once you get to fair, that's when you really need to start thinking about conducting some form of maintenance. Now, it doesn't necessarily need to be resurfacing or milling, resurfacing or reconstruction. It can just be something to help prolong the life of the road. Once you start getting into the areas where your 55, 40 is really expensive. So that same dollar, if you spend that dollar on road maintenance earlier in the process, you get a lot more bang for your butt. As the road continues to degrade and just becomes so much more expensive to take it from here and get it back up to the satisfactory level. So general goal for the town, what we'd like to see is to have a PCI value once you aggregate all of the PCI's in the town of 70. Whatever it may be, satisfactory, at least have that be the average. Now we know that there's a life cycle when it comes to streets. Alright, so you've got your streets that are brand new and generally speaking you can expect payment to last about 20 years. If it's constructed properly, before we need to do some sort of a mainness to them and spend some significant dollars on. In the town right now, we've got a full range of roads. We've got roads that are brand new, that are currently being turned over to the town. We have roads that have been in the town for a couple of decades. We have roads that were constructed when the air, when the street of road was under control of Union County, they got annexed into the town. And so those are been there forever. So we've got full range of values and terms of condition in these roadways and the town. So we're trying to develop a plan to basically look at everything at once and come up with a prioritize approach to dealing with these things. And when you look at priority, you place that priority either on the road itself based off of those the condition, based off the traffic that it gets, based off of where it is in the town, is it an infant road to a subdivision or is it a back street in a subdivision or you'll have five house on it. Those are big differences between those roads. The road that's getting a lot more traffic made me a little bit of a condition, but it's going to deteriorate faster because you're getting a lot more travel time on it. So those are things that we go through and we consider. So that's what I'm more than what I was talking about. The approach we've had this drive software, which is software that basically takes all this information. It takes the PCI values for each of the roadways. It takes the age of the roadways. It takes the condition. It also takes the available traffic information that we have. If we didn't have trips, we basically looked at subdivision and determine that average trips just based off of how many cars or homes would be going through that point. So we were able to add that data into the software and so basically I have the end of it, it spits out some basically some projects and basically looks at everything as a whole and has a cool press a lot of different variables. So when I'm showing you on the screen here, basically what it did is the first thing we're trying to do is try to understand how big is that gap between the powerful, powerful funds that we get now. And the actual dollar amount that's going to take to keep this rose at that satisfactory level. So it did plug in various amounts for annual dollars to be spent on the rose. So right now, if you look at the very bottom line, now this red line here, that represents the PCI value of set V. That means that we need to have this graph. This is the average condition of the PCI. Each one of these lines represents where the average PCI value of the streets of the town is going based off of different budgets assigned to it. So the very first one we looked at was 500,000 a.m. and so that's pretty much where we're at now at the other day. And you can see that's the very bottom. What that tells us is that if we just spend, essentially what we're getting and how build dollars every year, the overall condition of the roads in town are going to keep going to get worse and worse. So that means that even with that right now, we're not gaining any ground on as a matter fact, we're losing it. Now, one thing I wanted to point out about this graph, this does account for inflation in terms of additional costs associated with construction and labor materials and that sort of thing, we did not incorporate any anticipated changes in the budget. So one thing you'll notice is that, Francis, if you look at the million dollars annually, that's the second one down from the top, we start gaining some ground, but then once we get about five or six years out and starts to tailor off and what's causing that is you're seeing an increase in construction costs but the budget is staying the same. So if you don't kind of look at your budget every five or so years that's another thing that's telling us that every five or so year you probably ain't taking a look at it and do some additional projections, evaluate inflation, construction costs, and kind of see where we're at again. What this is telling us is that in order to gain ground on the condition index of the robes in the town, you need to plan on spending about a million dollars a year. That's what that's what this is telling us and that's based off of everything that we plugged into it. Another way to look at it is showing on this graph. This graph represents the total amount of road work that needs to be done. So if you look at the very 2022, what this is telling us is that we've got somewhere between $12.5 million worth of roadway. It means it needs to be decided. If we just have a check right now, it could go out and do all the work that need to be done to get the roads up to that satisfactory level. It'd be a check for about $12.5, $13 million. That's the number it would take to basically do it all in one shot. We know we can't do that. So what we're looking at doing is again applying different budget values to it. And what you see is if we start with the 500,000 annually, what happens is that backlog bar keeps going up, which means that that's telling us is that if we just spend the palbill money every year the amount of roadway work we're going to have to do each year is going to continue to get more and more and more. And Daniel's noticed on the other end of it we've got the million dollars annually and that starts to declines our backlog is coming down And then you see again about five years out it starts to level off again. So that's what those things are telling us. Another thing that went in to keep the mind when we think about the cost of roadway or that million dollars, that's the work on the road just itself. You can't just budget a million dollars, a million dollars, so the roadway work is probably about 1.2 million really because you also need to account for curb repair. You have to replace curb sometimes when you go through there. There's also roadway, patchwork areas that need to be done at the same time. You know, we get calls all the time I'm from Citizens that have hot holes that have developed and you have to go out there and cut and make some repairs sometimes But work to do it sometimes we have to have contractors actually come to do it There's also C.I. during construction So you need to have a professional out there this watch the contractor making sure they're doing what they're supposed to do And here until the time the conditions of the contract professional out there that's watching the contractor making sure they're doing what they're supposed to do and Here into the terms of conditions of the contract and then we need to include a contingency in there too because some of these We really don't even know the time to pay them and say you start doing some work Sometimes you'll get there and you'll find that You've got You've got new base material or you've got a wet spot. There's no telling when you can find it. And every year there's always something that comes up to you. By the time you budget those elements in there, you're basically looking at a grid-way project plus and a 20% for the overall project budget. There you go. Yeah. Was there an assumption made on the growth of the mileage in this model for the $3.6, $8.60 over there? Are we static at $53? No, we didn't really. I think at this point, with the growth rate for the roadways in the town right now, overwhelmingly coming from new developments that are turning the roads over the town, the understanding is that those roads should be in good condition. I mean, if they're not, we're not doing our job as staff to make sure that we're checking them before they come into town. So those should be good, right? It's really just the one. And even if you have a private development that has their own roadway network, it's been there for a while, 15 years old, there's a list of requirements that we as a town have for them before they can turn that over. They have to bring their route and see the AT standards standards. So we're not taking over a bunch of jobs, right, and they have to spend a bunch of money. So with that in mind, it really shouldn't impact that PCI value. That PCI value really should be based off most driving it down as really the existing road is already in the network. That's pretty good. Along that same line, how will those additional roads affect the power bill income? Well, as the road's come in, power bill dollars should go up because roadway miles... All part will be 10 additional miles after the 75. All part? Just totally all part. 10 dollars. Well, if it's 25 percent, if it's 25 percent, so if it's 25 percent, I mean, let's just assume for a second we've got $400,000 coming in and you've got 53 miles, I believe, or just and we've got 53 miles. I figured 80 and an unemount. 80 and an unemount. 40 and 60,000 miles by about 50 and that's it. Okay, so we got 10 miles you're adding 20%. So if you're adding 20% and if we're getting at the roadway mileage, would you say it's 25%. Okay, so that's 25 percent of the putt of the intpremate. It's like 40 percent. It's like 40 percent. 40 percent. So it probably depends on the type of infrastructure it is. It's like a half-acre single-family lot. It's right the money coming in would be probably less than a skyscraper for a reason, for example. At the same time, the number of cars on those roads would probably be less with the single family loss, so it's probably even so. It's probably going to add roughly $20,000 in kind of a pain. But I think the main reason is because there's only 25% of the overall calculation, but the other thing is the other thing, I don't think it's the other thought is that if you've got roves, we're taking over the roves and there should be houses and increase the population too, so that should the mileage, I agree. Yeah, that's not as much as it doesn't have a big impact as we like to have. So this coming up here, we're looking at, we'll see if they can explain. Before we leave the drafts here, I got one for you. I'll play devil type of stuff. before we leave the graphs there, I got one for you. I'll play double track for you. I'm looking into bottom line at 222. It's roughly 68. I guess that's what the 68.8 on previous line means. Oh, you're back here? Yes, we're moving. We're looking to one with the graph there. Next slide. It only goes down to the stays in the fair condition. with the graph there next slide. It only goes down to the stays in the fair condition in nine years by spending what we get right now 500K. So I'm saying, we spend about 1K. I heard what you said. You review your dollars every five or six years. Maybe that's what you know. but look at this every nine years. I could say somebody's saying, well, we'll continue to spend five hundred a.k. and we'll still be in a fair condition. Yeah, there can be some roads that are below the 68 point and they're in the fourth. And I guess that's what we need to identify. I mean, I know your averaging here. So there's some that are not in the fair. But we've really only spent 300,000 roads or really after you take out curb and everything else. It's not. He just put 500 with one increase. For the lightning work. Fantastic point. That's true. Right? I just want to go. All of the same lines on this graph. Do we know? Does council know? I think you guys probably know. How many miles are in each of those categories of our 53 miles? How many are failed? How many are serious? How many are poor? Very poor. That would be handy to know. Yeah. You know, we're looking at a ton of them, well, and a ton of them on. And high, we used to have a list, don't we? Well, Chris, you used to have a list. You know, I've probably heard you're retired about this, but the program I can give you percentages, I think you get that for you. I think that would be useful to know what we're looking at, big bunch of bottom and a big bunch of the top. So all of our edges out, are we looking at the spread, the stiffness, and I get that. The other thing to sort of think about in terms of the way the dollars are distributed, you're going to see a larger proportion of dollars distributed on this red wave zitter in that port that they all catwalk. Because as you get to that point, it's cost much more. That's why one reason why is we're looking at even the roads that are going to be prioritized for this year. We wanted to talk to you and sort of get your feel for where you think budgets can go because obviously budget over the next couple years to three years, that's going to even impact the decisions that are made for how we prioritize projects today. And so, you know, we get a lot of calls from residents about their streets and concerns about cracking and potholes and that sort of thing. So, for instance, if we, if we needed, there were budgets. There was going to be dollars available to continue to take on a large chunk of rupees and we would incorporate maybe a major reconstruction project for a roadway into it. No one that you know we're also going to be able to make sense of just minor maintenance and some research for some type of things. If we understand it okay we're going to spend that 1.1 this year and then next year we're going to be looking at five, six hundred thousand somewhere in there, then we may cut that up a little bit and do things a little bit differently because we want to try to, like if you have a reconstruction project, that's going to be a lot of, it's going to take a big chunk of that amount. So we may not do that right away. We may push that in a little bit. And you just kind of have to think through how to best manage that as we, as we get forward. So, we're going to put a couple of power, power bill right now is like 400 or something like that. So on the one slide we've got budget of now at 1.1 pay by the power bill funds. How would we tell you to that by that 1.1? We're only getting, I mean I know that we're taking last year's and this year putting together, but that still doesn't feel like an equal is 1.1. Mr. Connolly, if you go back a couple slides, I think that shows it. There you go. Is there a way to make that full screen? Not trying to? There was a high switch. It just went back. I think so. Yeah, it's just, I guess that's my question right there. Why is this year jumping to 750,000 from 445,000? Okay. Wait a minute. I think it's wrong. What they were seeing was that it's just a good sign. Did you know the news? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hi. I'm Mary. I think Mary. Mary, I'm sorry. I wanted to say, it's normally around 400. So do I this year project at 715 for a house? Yes, I'm 715 plus 445. Yes. I'm 445. I'm here as part of it's 440. That's what you're talking about. Yes. If I use Palladilla funds, they have a separate account. There is a Palladilla investment account that we keep the funds in. Whenever we don't use each year, let's just say we double-cut everything and we spent 320. 80,000 would be retained in that account. And they call it, it has its own restricted balance. we can't use town cannot use those funds for anything but with the power bill funds are the poor for the least you're for which are run ways and put in my hands. I understand apart. Okay. So you're saying that we currently have 750,000 in our power bill fund because we didn't use any last year. Yes, that's what the projected balance of the engine curve is. We're not really. What I did was I took projects that we have outstanding right now. I know with the revenue which for the year and I took those projected costs and I came with a number to add to the current balance about a gallon to get the 715, 785. Okay so it was money all written. Right. Yes. We got a little, the redway work got pushed. The ones that we were going to do by spraying and we've got to put less fall and then we're going to do another one in the spray and then the side of the welds, but I have to make sure we have the PCI evaluation done and the drive software done and everything pulled together so we can make good decisions. That's really what... Next year, after we spend this this year, then you're're gonna end up with the 445 going forward. Yeah, we're good. If we use that 1.1 next year, we're gonna have a big gap. That's right, we're gonna be to fill in. That's right? Because we're using it from, okay, which one? I think that's, it takes like that, that's my deal. Yeah, this one gives you an idea. I mean, we just said, OK, let's just pick up a budget of $1,000,000 to do the right way work. And then we need the additional funds in there to cover the insular items. And then if you add all that together, you're looking at it from point two, six million dollars to the whole. And if you take off $400, you let these rough $800 and $100, okay, they're in a fasten. Dollar debt, right. And I'm trying to show what it would have been counseled to the Senate to inform her that the tax increase were amongst the tax increase for the year if you want to get close that gap. But I just didn't know. I just didn't know. Counseled you with that rules. So we're showing the funds going out. As you know, that's what we're proposing to be on the work for the next five years, doesn't mean this is obviously this is going to the CIP. The high CIP has these numbers and they're going to throw the five years out. So what we're going to spend the help of the amount in this year because of the unspent funds, you're also looking for an indication from us about our tolerance for spending. In the future. One of those because that because why? You can, but here you are so then you could say I could attack that major reconstruction this year knowing with confidence that I'll get a simpler budget next year. Right, right. And there's, and, initial thought was, well, God bless us just do, yeah, let's just do the 1.2 this year because we got it and see how we do. I'm talking about this next year, but you're saying that's less optimal because you want it. Ideally, we have some I stop saying we can't do it. I mean there's the initial list we have is roughly almost 60 different streets or three segments that we were looking at. Now when you incorporate a major construction project and that number goes from close to 60 down to 40. So you're consuming roughly 30% of your ability to projects would just that? I guess what I'm struggling with is what and related to that of gosh projecting what we will spend the future is that they're all nameless and out there streets. My street needs to be a circus because of all of the soulless traffic that flowed through there for a year and a half. But I don't know where that is on the list and if I do, not going to want that done this year, you can do a do. But what would be, again, how hard would it be to provide for I say more specific if you do this really healthy spin for three to five years at 1.2 this is what you would buy with that reconstruction of this three percent serious and I agree as what I'm saying is it feels like yeah we're going to and we should spend that how we'll build money this year. I feel like I'm saying is it feels like yeah we're going to, and we should, spend that pile of bill money this year. I feel like I'm in hard-pressed to say we should do 1.2 for the next five years. Or should we do the 750? Good to the mayor's point, which is a really good one. We're still in a good trajectory, better trajectory by spending seven fifty. It feels like I love to see a list of if we do one point three of these streets and these projects are gonna get done. Give inflation and give assumptions. If you just spend seven fifty, we're gonna approach it this way. Right. I feel like that's a lot of work for you to do for maybe not a great with that help in discussion or that needs to be really a I don't want to waste a lot of work for us. I mean we can pull that together. Yeah you have yeah the streets on the inventory. All right. Oh we have examples. Yeah um Yeah, so we have a list that's rough, that's shaded roughly, you know, 60, you know, the different. Running the road that we do, or the re-construction on. I think it's like to forget that out, just take another look at the individual street. That is a cheap complaint I get among the basic town surfaces. Police are fantastic, water's fine, the roads, which is what you get. Five holes aren't in fixed and the roads aren't in resurface. We have explained that they're not ours or the states. I would just like to get smarter about this as we vote this year. And it feels like it comes with some names and projects. Sure. And we can show a map to indicate that these are the segments that will be done one year so you can see. Yeah. And you're one, you're two, you're three. Right. And to some extent, I assume there's a filter of coldness versus thoroughfare. Another filter of district one, district six. So there's an equitable distribution. Is that a filter as well? If I look at what was done last year, it was all District 1 and 2, not a whole lot then in 5 and 6. It's kind of important, but not the most important. That would point that out. We hear from citizens in this part of Staling City. And these roads are left behind because all of the folks in China are getting services that were not. I don't buy that, but at the same time you do look at the list and you see some inequities from their point of view. That was a lot, just in all the way you were here when you all started the PCI. I'm sure you were. The KP started it. You can't. You can't. Yes, that's right. So, it takes politics out of it. Your route is right there. And it's right there. And maybe you've got Shen and Mars back in the years open. Yeah, that's the time the cycle is over. So the order is the order of the southern vision for order and the southern ones. That's why you do more work on the North side. Yes, and I I get that. Politics and one of the people. Brad just doesn't like the pitchforks. No, people are really honest. We're breaking and living in the most active. That's why. Yeah, they're moving. Yeah, I think it's reality about the channel, aren't they? They're moving. I just put this there. Ridley section does not mean you can't tell. Yeah, when they're going to say you get problems with that. I mean, it looks pretty when you put the asphalt down, the problem starts showing up. And that's a good neighborhood. It won't give me wrong. Not a great rhythm to wrap the residents there. So we should take care of it. She had an awful experience. I don't know if I can come back and go with it again. To summarize here, let's go back to the five year plan because I'm not going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to all the design engineering and to also do all of the, like, rideways and everything we need to do with NCDOT. So all of that is complete and they're going out to bid this Friday. And that was a part of the contract that Council approved. Yes sir. So it was unanimous, Council approved that, you know, and I should have realized that the sign would be 300,000. What thought it was up to? I'm sorry, I thought we authorized. Thought we authorized to go out and get an estimate of what it cost. We have been devoted to do it. We were at the point in order. On a dollar, prices are coming in, then we may have final. Let's go get it. I'll show you another change. I think this idea that came off was, is even joke that I mean this is twice as expensive than what I paid for my house for a sign that isn't 20 feet across and so I mean I personally have some concerns about spending that kind of. But I also know that the discussion was kind of blended with the fact that we're trying to sell the town, kind of, upper-hand identity. And so I mean, it depends on where we want to take the town. I think, I think, well, I know everything's going on. Yeah. Just just talking to my, I don't know, talking to a chef go to This is tough. I'm going to talk to the Seth Goldwater and ask him what's atrium spin on that side. It was totally different. Because our sign is similar design. Similar size, maybe a little bit smaller. I like skin at what he's spin on that. Who they use. I'm top of that. My other fear is that these signs, they tend to get hit like what, once every two years, because the average they get hit by a car, I mean, is our insurance going to pay for all repairs to it? Because I mean, if it's 300 every two years we're after the replace that sign. That gets us fitted too. Well, while we're talking about a roundabout, I mean, I mean, I mean, David, he doesn't want it to go round. You don't know which lane you're supposed to be in to go round, because you don't have a sign out there, direction or sign, you've had to be in there right hand, like, you can go round. Scream me up tonight. Yeah, first time to go for it, it's not marked yet. It's not much of a world with that. Hey, that's a world under the bridge. All right, next, invite us home. And then $60,000 for a shot walk. That's one of the priorities of the town. And then it's not enough. So we need to find the way to find one on the sidewalk. So that's what the project tells you. Context of sidewalks currently is repair. Yeah, that's a building. Yeah, how is your mention? That's 60,000, about repair budget. That's just repair. Yes, or not? Constructing demands. That's 60,000 about repair budget. That's just repair, yes, or not constructing new units. There are some. And we can look at it when we give the CIP section. There are several of your family, some sections. And the CIP designated for new sidewalk construction. But this one is just made. That's right. I remember you had 60,000. You could spend people when you get a sidewalk construction. But this one is just made. That's right. So, I'm going to need 60,000. You can spend you money. You get a sidewalk here and that. You just have a couple of days. You might as well sell the one. You know what I mean? All right. Stormwater? OK. Stormwater. I'm walking around here. And so Mayor, I just want to clarify what we're going to do is look at just a million dollars. Bowen Justin, I want to clarify something that makes for everybody's on the same page here. When it comes to what we're going to do is we're just going to look at next few of us just put in 1.1 billion and then we're just fading, fighting a higher level over the next five years. What that street schedule would look like? I'll mention too, I think what we're sitting down is the BC guys going down so more and more money is going into singular projects. We're having, we're focusing less on less on smaller and smaller things. I think that we do this. What you going to see is we'll be able to focus more tan on wine on the regular area, if you will. So, both in just as that makes sense. So, over the next five years, if 1.1 is here, but we maintain 1.2 million over the next five years, what does that schedule look like the next year? Yeah, just the roads, the the schedule of the yonk and print out says, alright this is reconstruction, these are routine maintenance items. Yep. So, cool, thank you very much. One more with that? Okay. All right, stormwater. Every year we pretty much have the same stormwater fees or per-passables. So, it changes slightly from year to year. But this year you can see there's a little bit of a jump in right there. And it relates $740,000 that we put in for as appropriated fundats for solar water rather than. Our tax rate, as you can see, is remain pretty much the same. Ever since 2014, it's $46 per lock for residential and $33 per ERU, which is 2006 for a fee of $1,000. Years ago when I came here, I was told that it was the council's objective to build that at that point in time when I came here, the fund balance wasn't up $2 million. That that was the expectation back in, I got here at 2016. And if you look at that amount adding some inflation to it that new goal really this year considering the construction cost of gone up so much should be a goal of about $1.2 million with inflation. Taking that one step further the town stormwater projected fund balance at 630 million this year to start on the new year and be about 1.3 more million, which is about the new fund balance. But if we need to appropriate funds, which at a meeting town council this year are pretty two projects, one for two on lines in Fresnia, of about $290,000 total. These projects don't have costs. We don't believe that the costs are going to hit there. For the one, they're positive costs aren't going to be this year. The other thing may be about $40,000 or $50,000 at hence this year. So we will have that cost coming out and we do have that accounted for that fund malacestimate we're saying that it will hit. If it doesn't, it would just be pushed into the next fiscal year. But taking this into consideration and the amount of store-mortar projects that we have, this point, plus or minus 30 store-mortar projects, which have been identified. We are, we need to, we're following the same steps as we did for the general fund. And that is if it's a priori your project, we will take the money for that project out of fund balance so that we can maintain that list and keep going down and make those repairs we need for this year's projects. And then last year's projects would be funded from the money that we put into fund balance. But in order to do that, as I said, $290,000, we can't take out $290,000 from 1.3 more, 3.4 million and keep that balance at 1.2 million, the work we're trying to keep that fund. So we proposed their perforation of $140,000 from the storm water fund balance, which would lead to 1.2 million and we're assuming our revenue projections are correct. And based on the money that this year's funds, we would have if we do this, we're gonna have about $110,000 to address all of the stormwater projects for the space believer. This coming fiscal year, 2023. I mean, questions on that, so now that's an out of call. I mean, the ability to do 30 stormwater projects in a year would be something that towns never done that many didn't want done because of time. Yes. So I don't think we would do 30. I don't know what to scope for those 30 yards. Well, they were small. I mean, we've knocked out probably 15. The thing that's 20 to year? Yeah. I don't know what the scope of this dirty office. It's not ever small. I mean, we've knocked out probably what? It's a thing that's 20 to year. Yeah, so it's 30. Well, usually I run out of money, that's why I've been stopped at 15, 25, and I'm not running out of money, I keep you going. But maybe you can try it out. People are down. Run out of money. And of course, the 1.2 and 1.2 is our state mandated reserve on that phone. When it was approved in 2014, $46 for a lot, I voted against that. I thought it was too high because that's probably a large front house in the storm. Grand, since 2014, everything's gone up. I just want to be careful because as I've learned this job, once you go up, it's hard to go back. It's all right. So we'll just keep that in mind. Okay. Any other questions from Marshall? commercial rates. Was there a sense of, actually every 10% increase in the rate creates $49,000? That's 10% across the board, 33% goes to 36% and the bill rate is $6, good to get to 50% okay. Can you change one without changing the other? Change the commercial, not change the residential rate? Or do you just have the candy to look? And I know that Justin has done some research for us. It's on the presentation drive, we need to pull it up. Okay, showing what other towns, what the rates are. We're low compared to other towns very low. But okay, so in summary, I think we have a couple of options here. We restrict our, for next year, we keep it the way the budget is prepared as we restrict our spending on other strong one projects, $210,000. Because of the first-nan term clients who are parasitized or approved. We reduced that $1.2 million down to whatever, you know, $1,000,000, $8,000,000, whatever we need to address the ones that I mean, we have 110 in there. We can obviously do this later throughout the year by appropriating more fund amounts to cover these. If there's a large project that comes in, we can write, or even if we need more money for smaller projects. And then really if we had a very large one and we still wanted to maintain that reserve, we'd have to find some funding somewhere, which probably result in borrowing some money or having the general fund transfer money in. And then obviously you can increase the tax rate, I put that in there just to show you what an increase in tax rate would give you, or we reduce the scope of the stormwater repair services, and I provided by the town for that year, for several years, could you keep the money in the fund? Of the 30 that are on there, just in those, that because he gets asked this question every month, I can put it, but do we know, some of the concerns that I see with storm words that some of these projects age a long time before I mean just if we take free you for example it's been aging since before I was even on council And so do we know what the breakdown is of the three projects that are currently on there at what the age of those projects are Not 100% about all right now In the mail is a list of the 28 on this list. There might be another two somewhere There is a list of projects And in about the projects There's a list of projects. And you're in a lot of projects. Do we have the age zones? No. Okay. Sorry. That's what you're asking. Yeah. I mean, like I said, some of them just seem like they're, I know that they've been here for a long time, like before I was even on council. Instead of doing a repeat, there's just a question whether or not, because to me, in some way, there's somebody's been waiting for three years to get something prepared that to me has to take into some weight even if it's a heavier project too. Councilmember Harris, we've got a prioritization schedule as a policy and so sometimes some of these projects other projects are ranked higher priority right and I think that's the reason why you may see some projects that take longer to do. Is there some type of cap there though because I mean you don't want something to stay out there forever because it gets out for your trust? Is there a built-in cap? No, and much russle correct Matt. Because otherwise you'd be jumping. I get the sun at right. Like a certain point like, you know, is there an age where it's like too much, it's too much red? Well, I think, I think that there is an, you know, we're looking at it from getting it done from the issues standpoint. The people who look at the stormwater projects, they look at it like, hey, this was reported five years ago and it's still not fixed. So I think there's a perception there is that we're not doing our job because this thing has lingered on. And so I think there's a balance between the way that we look at it as a project and the way that the public looks at it as a project that maybe it feels like there's some type of reconciliation there that we may need to try to look at both sides of that to some extent. And I hate to say that, but it's just kind of a feeling that I get. We're talking with people. The project that you sent out, it's ranked, it has one that's won the 28th. Is that the number you mean anything or is that just the number? Mr. Russell, is that a prioritization lester just to number up? I mean the top ten are the priority of what we need to do. Okay, good. Just start adding them after the fact and then, so that's what the list will be flying over the bed. Yeah, because of the ones. I try to do singles first because of the safety issues. Usually the whole thing already takes balls in. I mean, those are ones. That's usually what happens is I get these really big sinkholes I have to push those in front of re-raids and just you know yeah sinkholes come burst for safety reasons and maybe that's maybe that's part of the problem is that I mean it's the way that we rank them I mean the general public just doesn't understand that I didn't understand until I so I mean it and it's not against the town it's just I'm just trying to open it up to an awareness here that I think sometimes there's a perception problem that things linger for a long time. And I mean, maybe rightly so based on how we bring projects based off the criteria, but at the same token, they're on the internet and go out. I recorded this 26 years ago and it's still a fix. That we just, something to consider. Call it off. Call it off. For some of these people, I know for a fact that they are. Like 26 years on. No, no, I would be in its edgeitoring over for a human or attempt to human. That one? Yes, it was a attempt. It was a attempt. It was a attempt. Okay, next slide. Or are we? Well, what is that last bullet named the scope? What is the current scope of our repair services? Next year it would be $110,000 to work projects in our list. I'm sorry, I thought that meant the type of things we do. We will do these, we won't do these. That's not what that means. The scope of projects is like little. Generally speaking, I'm sorry. That's a question. So any stormwater that falls within town right away, that's something that we have to take care of. If there's an easement on a stormwater system that the town has, whether it's a drainage way, such as an open drainage system or a pipe, there's an issue with it, town owns it, because that's the purpose of the drainage easement. So that's generally where we stop. If there is a, and we've had this, if there's a property owner in there, they've got some stainy water in their backyard. Well, you know, that's not something that... We'll go out and look at it and make sure there's nothing related to town ever felt for this causing it. But if it's determined that it's just, you know, Hey, your contractor just didn't do a good job of grading. That's not something that the town gets involved in. Let the town get involved in. The other thing that makes it kind of tricky too is obviously we've got in C-D-O-T right away that some of our drainage goes into or their drainage leaves here and goes into our drainage or you know I think another thing that can get a little tricky in terms of perception is because there are streets where there's DOT drainage that has not been maintained. There's development, there's more development and runoff from those developments or going to those drainage systems. So we get those calls too. So we reach out to the OT and let them know what the issues are. And sometimes it takes time for them to get around to addressing them. So we serve the role as a middleman as far as we can on that. But for the most part, there's only so much we can do in DOT right away. In your time being here, how many of those things have been referred back to DOT that they've actually fixed? We didn't say zero, so that's good. Trying to think, do you know if any drainage things that maintenance related in the past year. No. Yeah, I'm struggling to come up with a, that's one area that just doesn't seem to get a lot of attention. There's a power or a roadway issue sometimes it can do a little more focused on that, but if it's a drainage related issue, it requires maintenance, that seems to be, seems to take time. So you're saying there have been occasions of events in the last year, but there has been no repairs to those. I'd say that's fair. Can you say that's fair? Yeah. I mean, we have that one of the chestnut. that guy. Yeah, we've got one now that's actually located off of Chestnut. And the development of Jason to a property owner is in the town, the property owners and send it to the Indian Trail. So in this case, the Sardaparma and the Engineering Department for Indian Trail are reaching out to the other team. Just to see if they can get out there and do some maintenance. So we're hopeful that by team, up maybe we can see some results. Did I storm drain? It's a storm draining that is running on the road. It's kind of running. Not just in the ditch. Not just in the ditch. So it's on this property on the back side of the road. It's just storm drain on this side. There's a drain that receives flow and then supposed to, and then exits from this driveway, and then there's a cross train that goes right across the street, and it's pointed right at this property owner. And the issue is the downstream end of the pipe is clogged. But it was clogged. They opened it up a little bit, they didn't clear enough the debris away. The ditch has needs to be regraded. And so what's happening is all that runoff comes down and hits that pipe and then it spits out like water, like spitting water out of a straw. This guy's property. And you can see it's making his own little stream there. So, I'd just stuff like that, you know, we reached out to him and I don't know. And hopefully it'll be prioritized. All right, any other questions? Now do you have one for the county, for the castle. You know, Marshall's saying, earlier, he's $15,000 on the project in 2023. I mean, obviously, we're seeing this, or a stack, see something that's critical. I'm saying to you, she needs to be prepared. We have it. And I said, one million, one point to me is to go. So we have to go to the little aspects of this critical. I hope we, you know, we all hear from the castle. We want that fixed. And from the safety issue of critical, we can go to turn it. Okay. Any other questions for both? Adjusting, marshals from this one. Are y'all ready? On small water? This pretty much just- We're to the side of the airplane there. Yeah. What they, you know, what they, uh, opposite the outside. Or they're pretty much the same as transportation. The increases are, uh, in the outside services and then decreases, uh, recently in the salaries. And then this year the the contingency repairs, we did produce that last year, we had the contingency stormwater, the national fire system that's allowed by the state. We use something back to help offset the money we get for where the purchase. Yes, where the purchase. I'm sorry, not where the purchase stormwater repairs this year. I'm sorry, not very very strong water repairs this year. Five year plan, you can see that we have the five things listed there, obviously. The street sweeping, strong water, street sweeping, which I believe that has been done this year. The annual line maintenance, which is 70,000 a year, and then about $275,000 projected out from 2023, 24 through 27 for the stormwater repairs in the future. And that transition to a level of work, so first I want to ask you a question. the payers in the future. And after this the public works and cares about your questions? Well one thing I didn't get the sense of the 28 projects on the list, what is the cost? If you gave us a cost that right to $12 million check, you could get all the rich done. What's the cost if we wrote you a check, do it all the storm water done? Hmm. This is order magnitude. What's the cost if we wrote you check? Do you know all the storm water then? This is order magnitude. Based on the list. What is the number 15 pick box? I mean, it depends on what the fix is. I mean, re-grains are more expensive than fixing sinkholes. And depending if we, you know, some sinkholes, I mean, there's more than one. So we probably have to fix a line of pipes. So it's varied. We don't know what we're getting into until we actually observe it. So once we dig it up, then we know what's the issue when we fix the st. Coles. Did you whisper the $15,000 for something or other? Yeah, with C. Coles, most fixes about $10, fixes about 10 to 15 K upon so we'll reach through the run. So with snowmars it's more difficult than roadway to project because roadway we can see and we've already assessed it and we know where the issues are. Now we're just planning for fixes that we already know. Let's go and water. You're basically just either doing just routine maintenance or your fire fires. Because you don't know whether there's an issue there until the same culture is up or the drain is not draining anymore. And then even then you don't know what it is until you uncover it. And see, OK, this is a replacement. This is a replacement. This is a patch. This is, you know. So, this is the one we have in our list. We've got the ones that are prioritized. We've got numbers and have an idea of what those would be. The other ones. As we get to them, we'll be the ones that aren't as high as I already, that we're kind of working to. Once we get to this, we'll get pricing for those. The pricing has been a thing that's been difficult because we're contractors and laborers, but very difficult. So you can have a price swing that's pretty traumatic from one project to the next, and it just depends on you know he gets a contractor when they can get on site and now a schedule dependent the project is you know that's what I think his process has gone up explanation. I'll tell you that. Well the last question they have. The last question and no disrespect to Steve, I think it's probably good work for Steve. I see a lot of care greens, coat, stale, lane, five or six or eight of those on our list. So over accord, is that just because Steve has been village in reporting them? Like if I were doing not my job, but if I were as diligent, might I add 12 to this list for my district because I was paying more attentioned, might I add 12 to this list from my district because I was paying more attention? Yeah, so that's how this works. It's not like Rhodes, we've got a radius, like you're putting one of this, aren't you? Well, no, not really. I can tell you what happened there is that we do have lots of issues in there and they were gonna come one by one up here and we have a neighborhood Facebook page and we're basically like hey why don't y'all just point somebody to collect all the data and take it up there and I offered to be that person but another way had already kind of stepped forward. That's not the point. This list could be. It's just complaining around. Yeah, yeah. So it could be 120 projects, you just don't know about it. That's where my, sort of where my, you know, one part of what my, you know, kind of discussion about, perception is that they see these are things that have been wrong for a while, and now they've complained about it. And now, you know, the kind of the, the, the, right or wrong, it's like, well, now that we've let people know, there should be work going on to do the fix some kind of mentality. I mean, that's not reality, but, it's worth that perception thing comes in the play. Right. Anything else? Questions? I do have one. Is there a life expectancy on these pipes or these systems? Yeah, you're asking a question. It depends on the type of pipe. If you put concrete pipe in the ground, those are supposed to be under your life. Corgi and metal pipe, a stove to be, one is a 50, it's usually more like 25, and then on a field of water, standing in and now it takes for the bottom of the cell. So the other issues we have though, there's a lot of things that can see as our rip there, installed correctly. Some of these areas where you have maybe one area or one neighborhood, and all of a sudden, all these sink older popping up at one time, a lot of that is because the pipe wasn't installed correctly. The material wasn't compacted correctly around the pipe. And it's just a situation where you've got project developers that are project contractors that are putting pipe in the ground and they turn it over to the town and it's a town problem. So you don't want to see the career rates. I don't know. But it's all happening at one, I mean there's some areas where we've seen a series of pipes and here's one pipe in the next pipe and we've had on TV and they're not even aligned up anymore. So, so a lot of, you know, sometimes it can be other reasons for that, but earthquake never happened. I think we've found a lot of it is because you can look at it until that it wasn't constructed correctly. Like you don't see a lot of that happening under DOT roadways because they've got seat inspectors out there and they can share things done correctly. So now we'll say this, not when before we take over the systems now we require full test reports and everything to be done to submit so we can review it for all the reds and pipes in the whole nine yards. But somebody had older systems, we just don't have any data on them. Just curious, are we a handy knee for CFPB piping and stomp for a wet? Cured in place pipe, CFPB piping, I'm done doing the other. No, we usually just do, we'll do our CP. We will do HDP and now we'll start allowing HP pie because the DOT has started allowing that use as well. So there's really the only three that we try to be as close to DOT standards in terms of what we require from private developers when they do their real ways as home water. Well, here at Inplace Pike, the benefit of it, you don't have to dig a pipe up. You inject resin into probably extra resin and glass inside the pipe is cracked and it expands after the forms of the new pipe inside the pipe is removed. Oh, I see. Yeah. So we've actually, we're looking at options for lining pipes. We've tried to be more specific in terms of getting pipes TV. It said just something over and over and all. Thank you. If it's a long run of pipe, we get a TV so we can see exactly what the issue is, there's no sound we're looking at, injecting grout on the inside of the pipe so we don't have to dig it up. Sometimes, if there's a sinkhole in water, you've got to dig it up because there's a hole above. But no option, when it comes to fixing the pipes that are already there, trying to find a cost effect with doing no options off the table as long as it works and We're not gonna have to come back and date up in a year and redo again You know, we want to make sure that it's it is cost effective that it can be professionally done And it can be tested and that it's gonna be a long-term solution on this quick go-pay date The questions for Bob or Justin? All right, thank you. All right, thank you. Hey, I do want to say I appreciate Justin, Bob, and all the work that they do. I'm on the store for our committee. Know that they fill a lot of questions from that. So yeah, a lot of questions from that. A lot of questions from town residents, so we appreciate it. Good evening, Mayor County. How are you all doing? Way on foot of all? Yeah, how much you? I'm good. I know you all taking a lot of use of those. I'll take the easy of you. I'll start with what I call the Madgets Live, so that you'll hear all the numbers here and we'll kind of explain them after. You're going to first start with being thankful for saving us from being parted into hanging me down here and stuff. We appreciate it. And I just wanted to, too, as we get in this repression presentation, I know several people have gotten there. There is a dinner for everybody and the individual is in your web access and back. Yeah, I'm gonna stop about 64645. No one, I'm sure change the dinner for the day. Right, so I'll start here. This is kind of our main numbers and then we'll break it down after that. So for 2122 we have a 297 for budget and we're going to have about 237 914 and then the others will be jumped there 22 23 7 32 5. What we're looking at is the cost and increase in the capital outlay line. All the HVAC units of town Hall are basically going back. We did a terminal air balance the first part of this year. Everything over there is run at about 125% capacity, so it's way out of whack. And in the winter time, it's always cold, and the summer time is always hot. We just can't get it ready level of constant issues we're having. And two that we're also looking at doing some UV filtration in the newer buildings, governments and are being one public works building, the other, just to kind of help with the problem in the units and helping with the filtration systems. So I've changed the filters once afterwards, but it also helps with the air coming into the building be a better quality and help against any kind of germs or any diseases that float around the air these days. And outside of services, the main hype there is the landscape services that we have so worse for roadside and tan on. And then there's a couple of small projects I'd like to do with some tree cleaning up on roadside and doing some more beautification of town hall as well. And then the paper on related, that's just according to pay policy, is the living floor there. All right, so as far as the beautification of what we're looking at is tree cleaning up a town hall campus and road sides. I don't know if you might have noticed, but between our field, we've just got over here, James River, quite a few trees down between there, just a lot of overgrowth, so we wanna go in there. And we know most of our sales, but there will be some things we need to rent or just some different equipment we have, and then the cost to hull off all the debris. So we're gonna try to clean out a lot of those trees and maybe take some down but they could come down and as far as the road sides we're looking to have the lakewood area there's a lot of down trees in that area that are just kind of taken over that whole area the way they fall out there and then outside of the Shamar sub division. Again it's an NCDOT road but those trees have been laid on the outside of that neighborhood. From those two years now, we can't get them to pick it up, so we can put them in our sand so we can make a look. And then town hall beautification, you know, we started to do some stuff around here with the edging around the plow beds and the river stone out front. And we just want to kind of continue doing that just to keep improving the look around here and keep going with that. And each of those, I think we put, I think I put 15 for each of those, we're going to have to go through them just to kind of cover that and we'll probably come in under that because again we're going to do it ourselves but I just want to know that we have money to haul off what we need to or rent anything so we can get those areas taken care of. And then always I think I have most outside services so I'll list that out here in the presentation so everybody knows where we're at or we're spending the money so you want me to one by one those or is that pretty? No. So if it's planned, it's already. Can you tell us what we get for the Smith-Rownwich Management? What do they do? Yeah, they, so right now we're getting town hall campus. Can you tell us what we get for the Smith-Rowlands management? What do they do? Yeah, they, so right now we're getting town mall campus. I call it all this. The house next door, we're James River. They moved. They weeded. They edged. They fertilized. They planted seed. They take care of the weeds and stuff. And the flower beds, they're current off trees. And then they also do the road sides. Road sides, not quite as much. They do the mowing, they mow you know after the road shoulder. One strip on the other side they add to the sidewalks and they keep it weeded from the power poles. All the roads and sawings are just the, just the, there's certain roads. I have that list of people right in front of me that's mainly like the strip on lawyers. There's a large strip on open road, down by the school, Madison reach subdivision. There's several spots that they do for us. How about the park? Among the park's boards? That's on the budget for parks for this year's I had that in and they'll have everything. I don't know how they do, they'll learn it up right now and then it's down to municipal park for the next step of the project. Yeah, I don't have to do more in the park now. It's down here. This will park. We'll be next step. All right. All right. So that will lead us into the notable items. I think we got a couple of questions. Oh, sorry. No. No, I'm sorry. I'll ask you a couple of questions just because don't come to expect it. Fire extinguisher is that like for the building itself? No, the fire extinguisher is around here. They have to be checked every year. We have to have a service come in. They check the fire extinguisher to make sure that they're in bait. That they work properly and they check everything in all these buildings that in the park. And it's usually not that much, but I have to put it at that point, because if they find a fire extinguisher, they've got a replacement, it goes from a $5 inspection to a $100 fire extinguisher. They've got a couple of those in general through a book. So we just have to put that little bit of a cover or so in case they have to replace them. Okay, that's kind of what I was wondering. It's like $1,200 blocks, that's, that's, that's kind of, that's, wow, I was wondering, because that's 1,200 blocks, that's, that's, yeah, that's, that's, thanks. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna try to read these notable items, but I think we're this small room last year. Okay, we got the HVAC repairs for fun here. Oh, yeah, that's much better. All right, we got the HVAC repairs replacements. Oh, that's just our annual budget, sorry, I'm not going to go below. So that's just something we always have in the budget for that. And I will say with that, if we're able to replace the units of town hall, we won't need to budget as much because then all of our units will be up to par new and we'll only need to, you know, later. I think you'll see that in my slide when I do the five year considerations. We don't have to put as much in the budget to try to repair or replace those units because of the little part of being replaced. But typically right now we've got about 20,000 every year in there to cover those maintenance costs. So new HVAC system, ACUVU, I think though. UV filtration system is 3.86 and that includes all buildings including public works but it's not new units all of them. Some of them is filtration of this building public works, new AC units at Tampa Hall. We were also looking at a washer dryer unit, a something that I talked about with police department. There's just various things that we use around here, even just our uniforms and say sometimes we're out on the field and, you know, we get down on mud hole and we're covered, you know. We can still stay and have a change of clothes that we're going to clean it, but it's also our sharp towels and different things like that. To not have to just constantly buy new, we can keep them washed and then good condition. The landscaping contract, that's at 53.2. And we also include about 10K for missling this project. That's just in the outside service of line, specifically. And then traffic barricades were looking about five thousand for that. And that made the king about this last time when the power station was on fire. We had to close down so many roads and we just didn't have the equipment to do it. We didn't have that barricade, columns and traffic was out of control. People get on the wrong side of the road and things like that. Can we just kind of barrel down just a little bit on that 386? Yes. Obviously the biggest number here by far. And what's kind of the breakdown there? What are we really getting at all? You know that's, oh my. Yeah, that's a slide frame. Yeah, get out. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, I'm bad. Yeah, that breaks it down a little bit more. So what is that? Is that how many units is that, like, here? There's five units at town hall. Huh? There's five units at town hall. There's five units at town hall. So that's replacing five units. And I will say that number will high, but I went with my best estimate on that for what the units would tell us and what we need in that area. You know, without going out to get a bid right now because we just want to make sure we can get it in the budget before we do too much leg work on it. But that's a rough estimate. More than likely it's going to come in under that. It's five units over there. And I'm sorry. Tons of piece. I don't have all that probably. I do have it, but that's the thing. You know, we want to go to getting the proper tonage over there, the proper sear ratings that we want to get so that we have some little bit better on power consumption and that type of phone. So like I said, numbers are quite a little high, but that's a good jump on all points. Basically, we're looking at about 300,000 for town hall AC units, there's five over there. UV filtration, again all these numbers are ball-porms. And that's to put, it looks like the UB vines in the units with the filtration, it just helps us a little better here before you get to the filter itself. And then the public works building, we're looking at an additional unit for the shop, and then the UB filtration, that mainly being that, you know, that shop was designed with a heater and insulated walls and doors but now air conditioning so the summertime we're trying to work on it to be a insulated I mean it's it's really what it gets to be about 100 degrees or more in there just because I was able to it should have acid but it didn't and then again the tree clean up town hall campusification, those are 15,000 each, the traffic barricades are 5,000. I do want to know all the numbers listed in the pink there. We are asking that we go through our buffoons for others. And then looking at the rest of the five years, it's pretty self-explained for the most of it. You know, we're going to start putting a building grounds contingency of see if the building is agile. I'll figure about 10 grand a year is good just to cover in expenses that we're not looking for. I have a smart meter installation on there. That's a meter that goes on each of the buildings and it kind of determines the power coming into the building is to help with the electricity bill. It starts to determine when you need power or the most, and when you don't. And it basically, you know, it tries to burn the flow of the building better so that you're not consuming energy. You know, maybe, in 24, 25, our first public work trip we have over there will be aging out, so we've got about 40,000 in there to replace that it'll be 10 years old at that point and then again the team's going across the board. Yeah you don't need more than 40 grand. Yeah if the prices keeps staying the way they are absolutely. But they sell those little ones now. Yeah I might say I don't saying that it worked for me. You ever seen that elephant riding a motorcycle? Do we have other local vendors in Stalin's in the Ohio HVAC bid? Yes, they will be talking to MCS, the riot period off of Grimmel. And that's who we're going to reach out to. We've already kind of thought we'd have some issues and they said they'd be happy to come out and go to price water. So they already reached out to me. Let me use some light bulb. Yeah, thank you. And that's pretty much all I have. You don't have any questions from Brian? So you got 10 yen in there for Stevens charge. I guess that was actually, I had put that in there a while back before I even told him that was something we were already considering. I tried to keep a little breeze up on here, you know, with electrical. So that was just a place hold right put in there sometime back to see if that's where we wanted to go one day. That's which we will get to all. Yeah, it's a couple of sorts of life. Any questions for Brian? I'm a Michael Wade. One something back to the 10th. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you all. Did you want to break now or did you want to keep going? This is a part of the presentation that kind of summarizes each of the different departments. The different items that are in the budget, but we put them as valuable items and I think much too, and went through the list and come to vote it to your key plans and say it out. Yeah, well we're not talking about it. We can break right now, which comes one bit, right? I'll go resume the survey. What's that? Yeah, we'll just do it in the right way. That's right. We'll do the right there, seven. John? We just need an admission to adjourn, if you have a special meeting. No, I'm not an admission to adjourn. Second. Show them when they're there. All right. No, no. All right. All right. I'll have it. I'll go ahead.