get the meeting underway. Stephen, what's your name? Absolutely. Let us pray. Have a great, wonderful week. It's just a big, great weather here. And everybody's been well and safe. Just continue to give us wisdom as we go through tonight's agenda and make great decisions for the town. And these things, pray,, your son's holding it. Hey, then. I'd like to leave you to some of my political agents to rely on the United States of America and to the Republic, which is saying, one nation under God in the visible liberty and justice. I'll call it me in your order. First on the agenda is Public comments. Any other comments? She's going to get the list. There is none. Sir. Anybody in the church? A couple times this weekend. A few nursing and called congregations there. Anybody in the audience want to speak? For public comments, if not, I'll make a side public comment that several of my good that they want to think the town staff or the work that they've done over in the Kerry Greens, the snow and water issues. And then of course the sidewalk over here was fixed this way. So I appreciate it. Yeah. Okay. I forgot to mention, I represented the town for Heath, Goodguyens, you know, this weekend, and as you all remember, Heath was, if you read that, info about him. Heath was instrumental in forming the song. Back in 75 was the first town council, and in Circus Mayor, 10 years, and we appreciate his service to the town of Stalin's. And also is instrumental in getting the town park created at the beginning as well. So I have to mention that in the education. All right, let's end up approval. Thank you. All in favor? Good. Max, would you like to lead off with the first item? Yeah. TX22.07.03. Good afternoon. Just one second, why do we have? We are printing. We open the public hearing just so we have that. Why are you doing that? Good afternoon. Just one second wide bluda. We are printing. We open the public hearing. Just so we have that. While you're doing that, we're going to open the public hearing. All right. All right. All right. So I'm here today to present TX 22-03-07, the Business Center's zoning district, SMB of Greenville, two LLCs minute text amendment to add a new zoning category called Business Center. The intent is to enhance the ordinance to have an option for a commercial, business, and light industrial district. There are currently no zoning categories that allow a variety of office, commercial, and light industry all together. And this is not exciting, specific request. This is an addition to the ordinance for New Zone category. It's a long definition but it's summary. The business center allows a mix of like it's at office, commercial and line industrial uses. These are all the articles that are to be amended in the ordinance. It may look like a lot, but Section 10 has a lot of supplemental regulations for specific zoning uses. This is kind of small. I try to enlarge it as much as I can, but this is a zoning district comparison between the business center, mixed use and industrial. And the summary for this is business center is a medium between the mixed use zone and category and the industrial category. So it's spread there in the middle of the tube in terms of lots of eyes, setbacks. And let's go on. The reason this request was brought to town was the owners of this property of a blind home is their zone, their zone, MU2. And they have a mixture of commercial, like industrial businesses. And their currently MU2 doesn't allow all of that. So it hurts their battery for rentures in the future. They currently have a variety of uses there though, including construction companies, softball, CrossFit and other foreign exchange businesses. For the future land use plan, there's no current future land use that allow those variety of uses all in one. There's someone similar use, suburban office center, but it's very loose and it's interpretation comparing the two. With the meetings they did not, this re-tex amendment does not require a community meeting or a subcommittee meeting. They did have planning board last month on the 16th and tonight is the town council meeting. The planning board did recommend approval of TX2207-03. They did request that the omission of uses of restaurant shopping center and trucking centers, they also said that this tax amendment is inconsistent, but it is reasonable to put the conference of claims plan. So when I decide on my recommendations to counsel, I use all of our dodged plans and one of them is the conference of use plan. Since this business center zoning district is not identified in the comprehensive lane use plan and we don't have a future lane use that has all of those uses, I will recommend to the island. But however, I do think the proposal of the business center is a reasonable request. I think that applicant has done a good job with the ordinance amendments. And we can amend the future language plan in the future. We are due to amend it by the end of 2023. So this could be one of those amendments if we want to move on with this. Do you have any questions for me tonight? Of course we do. Okay, I'm ready. So, I guess my question would be is that I'm assuming that if this were to pass, go forward, then we would see some type of result in the request for future. Yes. That's really on. I think I heard you say that he would not see the report. So when I use the plans that the council has adopted in the past, this particular zoning district, business center, doesn't know why. But we can amend those plans in the future if the council particular zoning district, business center, doesn't know why, does not align. But we can amend those plans in the future if Council is wish to adopt this zoning district. I don't think it would be a detrimental zoning district. We currently don't have this kind of word and has a mix of business center, sorry, businesses, commercial, retail and lighting industrial. So essentially is a type of mixed use zoning that we don't have. And all this does is make a new zone basically. Correct. So it's a new zoning category. Right. I use zoning category that Effectively is going to be just hanging out there so to speak we could create a thousand of them if you wanted to But it doesn't hide anything in towards resumptive Correct. We do have a few zoning categories that we don't use that were adopted in 2018 with the development on as well But I do believe the intent is that you will see a result in the future if this was adopted. Nice answer. They did not. They did a good job at them creating this season. Mr. Sean, you see this is changing the evolution of development in that area at all. I don't see the changing the evolution of the development area, especially for the intent of the applicants. I know they want to eventually bring a reselling to their site and I think it would enhance their site and help them help their property. And I couldn't see a market for this zone to be in other areas, most likely along 74 of the other industrial transition zones to allow the business commercial, I keep can't say business, but commercial retailing, unlike industrial, a buffer between a heavy industrial, like uses and residential. Thank you. Correct. Just off the top of your head, you know of any instance is where someone has wanted to have a business and we can have some like this and that prevented them from applying or they just... This is my first instance. Usually what people will do is apply for a conditional zoning. We originally didn't have that in our audience where the applicant could apply for a conditional zoning, but we recently added a conditional zoning as a back end to allow all applicants to do that. So now we have multiple options. There's always multiple options that someone can take. But this is my first instance. And just filling off that. So when you say conditional zoning, is that somehow already serving this purpose, where we don't need to create a new zoning category because it can do this. It would possibly be an option, but they are already constructed in the conditional zoning to site specific development plan and they're essentially already built out. So I think this is the route they would probably like to take so they don't have to rebuild anything. It's already a site that's built. So, so comparison. A few meetings back we had the auto repair place down here that has conditionals on it. They have to come and get a different conditionals only. Pretty much every time they have a different tenning, you know, side of the building. They're doing a text amendment, so it's a little bit different. This is also a text amendment, but they're doing a text amendment just to the use table. This one's a text amendment to add a whole zoning category, which affects multiple chapters in the ordinance, including the use table. Okay. Too much. I have a question now ordinance, including the use table. OK. Too much. All right, question that. I'll support this. I think it's fine. I think it's probably a great idea. If we had the owner in the room, I would have to grab a little business park. I'd love to know what drove the quick, did they just wake up one day and say, well, we can't do this. And we want to. But I'm curious, just as a elected official in the resident, not quite here a lot, but I can tell you about what's the sense of occupancy over there. How healthy is that market? What are your future plans for this side? As much as you'd like to share, I'd love it in that. It was two minutes. Yeah, okay, that's a presentation. So, okay. What do you think? It's the beginning. Not, yeah, that'd be great. Okay, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor Brodjim, Council members. My name is Colin Brown. I'm an attorney with a law firm in Alexander Ricks, Charlotte. I handle resorting and matters like this for developers. Peter Gushel is here with me from that city. The Grimel, I'll give you a quick overview and then Peter will be happy to tell you about the center. I've been good working with Max going on almost a year now. Back and forth, that's a great overview by hand, so I don't need to go in as much detail. But Edge all have heard of this emium on the property. This, and it's hard to separate. We're talking about a specific property, but tonight we're just talking about the tax amendment. But I do think it helped free you to have a little background of how we got here. So the SMB property, as you can see here on the map, is just as you're coming into Union County from Mecklenburg. It now has the MU2 zoning on it, and you'll see there's some Union counties, and just to the north of the property, it is still industrial. So it's an area where you've got some county industrial. The town of Staling society designated this as MU2 and what happened was it frankly the owner did wake up one day and came to apply for a new permit for a new user and found out that the zoning had changed and that user was not allowed to be in the park and so as you'll know there had been a kind of citywide rezoning. So the property and it was not familiar with that, did not know that had occurred. And now I found themselves the owner of, you know, a $10 million development that doesn't quite have the appropriate rezoning. So the case of the matter is, in this area, as you all know it's going to be familiar with it, I do think it felt like an industrial area, certainly not a mixture of usage yet. Certainly think we aspire to be there. But as the team figured out, well, we've got to be problem. And so Peter and his team, they wrote through and kind of said, okay, they're here to tend, we have, we have general contractors offices. Those are not allowed in M2. Equipment rental is not allowed in M2. There's some back office or a guided vehicle company that is not allowed but just some trucking or a not allowed. HVAC supply like train is not allowed. ATM service or in storage company. So those uses are out there now. We'd like to maybe have some more like that in the future but they are not allowed by the M2 zoning. Now some of those can stay. The temps that are there now, we'd like to maybe have some more like that in the future, but they are not allowed by the NV2 zoning. Now some of those can stay, the temps that are there now, they are illegal, non-conforming use, but they can't expand and we can't bring in any new users like this. So we talked to Max, it's a little bit shocking and he said, and I will say I think that's the BTN Peter had been incredibly collaborative with the town of figuring okay what can we do. And the truth of the matter is that what we really want was the industrial zoning back right that's what we had that's how it was developed. But I think our team has tried to collaborate with staff and instead of setting up well we we really do want to be moving away from that. You know we think this should be in you too in the future. We've been looking at our industrial use districts there. There's so many heavy uses in there. We don't like those. So we decided to work together and kind of collaborate and come up with something that would work. So as Max said, we were really looking for something that's kind of a half an medium that would serve uses like the ones that we're talking about. But you didn't have the heavy noxious stuff that you get that would be allowed in your regular industrial district. So we came together to craft that. It is a little different that we helped craft it. And we talked to Max and said, I get it. We got a lot more in the town. We don't really have time for this. So the SMB team had a mile office, and I have a couple very capable associates that dove into the ordinance, Max pointed out to us that actually the prior version of your ordinance did have a business center district, so we very much use that for the bums of drafting this. And that's where we are now. Max read the description, I won't read it again, but again we're looking for a district that's kind of a medium between the industrial. Again, that union county is then even sitting right there to the north of us. So we know that the entire character character this is not going to change. We also understand that you guys don't want to see some of those heavy industrial uses and frankly SMB doesn't want those heavy notches uses on their property anyway. So we were happy creating this district that still would not allow if we had such a choices war. We could also try to send it to your regular IND's. But that seemed a little heavy for us. I don't know if that's what the town wanted to convey. So we wanted to have this just a zoning district that doesn't allow hazardous materials, no junk yards, no boundaries, no chemicals, things like that that were ruling out. And so I think nice job and understanding the point tonight, if this I think this is adding a zoning district to your toolbox. So it's there if you want it. If you approve it, we'd certainly like to use it on our site. Maybe some others will in the future. And as you said, by adopting this in your works, that district's not sitting out there. So you're not suddenly having a Pandora's Box on tens of different properties around the town. We would be back, happy to talk with you about it and now that you also have conditional in your toolbox, if we wanted we can talk about what we come through with with our site specific reasoning whether that's conditional or not. So that said we were certainly understanding the position that Max is in where he looks at his landings planning this and just is not there so it's hard to say it's in conformity that we appreciate your planning board looking at this and voting unanimously to recommend approval. So with that, again, I'll turn it over to Peter, who again I think has been very collaborative. A lot of owners wake up, this is kind of a shock and it's really I think put in the time and I hope work that I hope we're contributing something to this town that will be useful in the future. Good evening, everyone. Thanks for your time today. I drove up from the Greenville South Carolina, which is where I reside, and just kind of underscore the importance of tonight's meeting for us this partnership of this part. A little bit of history, we acquired the part back in 2006. I don't know, it was three very elder, all widowed widowers. I am the coming, the young one of the group, and it was all business decisions they looked to me. And I'm their eyes and ears, have always been since 2006 we acquired this development in doing so it has always been our Outlook on development we own you know other properties together in Greenville is the only thing we own here in Charlotte Not with that group of me in particular and we're all about about professionalism, and we try and be very open-book, and we try and keep our parks orderly and very clean. And we just try and be good patrons of every town that we're in. This one, if you drive through it, although it is what was developed as a light industrial park, certainly doesn't look like that. No matter if I can be changed landscape for six months ago because he wasn't doing things up to our snuff, you know, constantly spinning million and capital improvements and parking lot improvements, et cetera, because we believe in the area. But as Colin alluded to in last November, we had a tent that we knew is very tasteful. It was a safe autumn light. They basically were place wind chills in your car if you have a correct wind chill. The thought was pretty easy. Cut and dry. Came to find out. Couldn't put them in a business park. Pete thousands were fit. Tenet because they knew the longer met zone. And when I found that out, I said no, our property's own line industrial and doing some research and conversations back and forth found out the property was reasoned in 18. To my surprise, I was never notified, nothing in writing, no phone call, nothing, which just is very frustrating and just doesn't, certainly not feel right. And so we got to panicking and call staff and said, what can we do? We want to work with y'all together on this, but this is so important. Our property was, we have to keep our property relative because it was designed, permitted, and constructed. Designed, permitted, and constructed as an industrial part. And even though it was industrial part, it's always been light industrial, and we've been very tasteful. We try to keep it tasteful. But to wake up and find out the zoning is more than you do, we can't just take doctors and truck courts and an industrial type of building and make it turn it into retail uses or whatever other uses are in YouTube. We're 15% off us, 20% off us, we're 80% warehouse. We don't want more than it was. We realized it was light industrial and going back to what Colin had shared in looking at the options on the table. It was either IND. And we said, we don't want IND because it's going to feel like a real big reach. And that's not our approach. We don't want more than we had. We're just trying to get back what we had. And in brainstorming, we felt like this was the best approach to hopefully get us there. But it's essential for the park. And I'm happy to answer any other questions I can. But we would hate to see our park suffer like it already has with the loss of the tenant and as future tenants turnover it's not designed to backfill with the tenants that are in YouTube so we've been very fortunate in keeping with tenants but as we have had a little bit of turnover then after we started to suffer and this happened, first came to our attention in the memory summer, we've been dealing with it then. We've been dealing with it very patiently, and we have, I mean, we've probably spent 10 to $15,000 a pound on the call you out, but thank you. But just because of the importance, I mean, just helping draft this text amendment, realizing that was the path forward. And so that's why we're here today. And I'd like to answer any questions and certainly very much appreciate your support. And questions. Thank you very much. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. So we have a public hearing. If there's anyone, for the two presentations, a third one from the public that would like to talk, have your chance. Seeing none, close public hearing, Council discussion. And then we'll approve of the group and discussion. Public second. Home favor? I'm going to move approval. I'm going to move approval. Discussion, huh? I would say. Home favor? I am. Right. Right. Let me do this right. I think there's a process, right? Right, Max? Yes. I'm going to say that very time. You're going to try to... Thanks, Douglas. Move to recommend approval for text minimum 22.07.03 with a statement of consistency that the proposal list inconsistent but reasonable with the comprehensive land use plan because the staff, the tax amendment, promotes the health safety and welfare of the sick of these. Thank you. That was real helpful. Yeah, all right. Second down. Second. Well, favorite. I have. Thank you very much for your work on this thing. Thank you very much. Enjoy your ride home, because that's 90 minutes. It's a small, big, calm, and gasping. At least the speed limit is back up. It's not 35 through there. Yeah, there's still some construction that they're going to work on for like around two years. Thank you. Thank you. That's all from us. Next up. How do I go project? I don't know how to do it, project. Hello? Hello. If it wants to do an okay tonight. So, good stuff. Yeah. We've left last conversation with road destruction. I'll be in front of that once in South Carolina. We'll talk a little bit about what we've got faces here in North Carolina. So, I've seen a number of you folks before. My name is Brett Knight, I'm with NCDNT, and Division 10, I'm a Division 10 engineer. We've got a Division 10 just really quick here. You know, just a, we're a by county area. Definitely work very closely with all of our municipalities, especially staff, you know, Alex work very closely with all of our municipalities, especially staff. Alex has been working with us for some time on this particular project. And we've been here before to talk about it. We're here to talk about E4-13, which is the I-12 Road project between I-45 and Steve's Mill Road. I've got Sean Everson in the audience with me tonight. I thought I would just try to tackle it all myself. But if the questions you guys and ladies present with me are too tough, I've got a little bit of backup. Also with me tonight is Stewart Fashion. Stewart Server is our planning engineer for some time. That's a lot of history in this project. So hopefully between the three of us will be able to get you the information that you might need to make some decisions. We'll roll through a little bit of history on the project. It does go back a number of years. It's been around for quite some time. We'll talk about that coordination that I've mentioned. We've gone not over and above my needs because it's stepping our jobs to coordinate with local folks, local stakeholders, local municipalities. We know that it's not only important, but it's essential to get local consent and buying for the projects we deliver. I'll show you where we've landed from an engineering perspective. What we believe is the appropriate alternative to handle the future traffic demands that are projected to exist along Ottawa Road in the future. And I'll talk to you about project delays. That's unfortunately been a hot topic over the last several years within the department. And where we want to hear our next steps, and of course we can get into the questions that you may have. But so this project actually predates our current legislation that we're operating under our SDI legislation. It was submitted initially for funded all the way back to 2009. So our law has changed the way we ranked before and developed projects has changed since that time period. But it did make it into our new process in 2014 and in Spot 3.0 which is simply that's the ranking and prioritization process that we use across the state to assign funds to projects. to use across the state to assign funds to projects. And so, in 2017 Division 10 and the other highway divisions across the state took on much more responsibility in terms of project development, and we began working on that in earnest at that time. And immediately began that coordination and conversations with the town about what this project could be, what the engineering and sort of the math and science behind that told us we should be building. So between that time period, all the way through 2019, there was quite a bit of conversation back and forth. We looked at a lot of alternatives. We're getting some of those details here shortly. But the project was placed on hold, along with every other project in this state, as we felt significant squeeze from a revenue loss due to the pandemic in particular. Ahead of that was sort of like the perfect storm, due to a series of storms that led to a cash crunch force at the time. And again, as revenues plummeted during the pandemic, we did have to stop working on this and all the projects. But we're back up and moving now. Our program is in full swing. So I'll go into the conversation about what we've done, how we coordinated in the past with you guys, with your staff. So we have to forecast traffic volumes, right? We have to make some estimates about how many cars are going to be using in a particular facility. That's necessary for us to determine, well, really, how many lanes you need? What type of roadway can this be? How can it operate efficiently and safely? So we did that work, presented that to the town, and there was some concerns about what we were taking into account, particularly the small area point that's a part of this town, the town's plan, particularly in the area near I-45 and along the road. So we generally speaking take existing zoning into context. So we take existing zoning, land use, plants predict the type of, the number of cars are going to be coming. You know, it computes out and tells us, well, if you have a certain density or use in a particular area, then we then are able to estimate the number of track, the number of vehicle trips that will be generated by that when used in the future. So when we went back and took another look at the small area when it told us there would be an additional 50,000 cars per day that we're going to be using as facility. Just, and it goes, that's a large number, right? I mean, you just, you know, you wouldn't imagine that one concentrated location would bring that number of cars, but in fact fact the density that's approved there and your small airplane told us that it would. However, we reached sort of a compromise plan because we felt like in you know, you know, even though it was a town request for us to consider that, maybe all that space wouldn't be developed out in the future year. The year this project was designed to accommodate the bombs in. So we decided to cut those trips in half. And we still went on up with this six lane recommended cross section, if you will, for out a while, road between 9.45 and steam is milled. And that was, you know, really some of the hardburn, and we understand that, you know, it doesn't always seem to fit in the context of a small town field if that's what you're going for. So again, after we cut it in half, we're still looking at six lanes. So that was just continued with the challenge in conversation. We continued to look at other alternatives. We looked at some parallel routes, or parallel streets that could possibly front. The out of one road and maybe serve this a little bit better. It definitely increased cost because it created a wider footprint. It definitely would have had some more significant impact to the adjoining properties and landages. And again, we still want to move up to this six lane cross section because again, the traffic that we were predicting didn't change. We did hold a public hearing in the summer of 2019 before everything sort of got put on hold. We looked at another option for a one-way parallel turn where you would have traffic going one direction in the southern leg. Another in the northern leg is where required. Another bridge crossing off 45. Obviously, more significant costs, but again, we were exploring our options because we knew what we presented so far simply didn't satisfy the town's desires. So continuing to explore any of our options, throwing whatever we could add it to try to see what we could come up with that would meet the needs of the local needs. Still looking at six lanes definitely increased costs there. So where we landed with our select alternative is this six lane cross section that shows three lanes each direction and would also require a median with necessary to accommodate dual left terms. And particularly I think it's the Harris-T der Singhal and of course we're always going to include life pedestrian combinations at the request of the locals so that was really what we selected even though we knew it really wasn't exactly what had been that I guess, ideal for you guys. So the interchange itself was determined to be a divergent diamond interchange. I don't know if you're all familiar with the divergent diamond. There's a couple of examples, not too far away. One I've been Cornelius, West Kataba Avenue, another, as that was on 77, and there's another NC 73 on I-85 that have been open, you know, in the last number of years. And so that's a more efficient way of processing traffic. And, you know, kind of the working theme of tonight's presentation, we're going to be getting into the conversation about how we have to do things differently to accommodate the increasing number of vehicles that are going to be using our roads now in the future. This is just an innovative solution that can be implemented with greater efficiency and less physical destruction than a conventional interchange. The Harris-Teter access, we were able to demonstrate through our analysis that a conventional intersection design would sufficiently meet those needs in the future. I think that was sort of maybe one place where we could agree and come to terms that that would be an acceptable treatment. That would just be a typical full movement signal of course with pedestrian accommodations across Walls, except. So, Steven's mental intersection has definitely been a point of concern with staff and a group of counsel in the past. So just like that divergent diamond interchange I've shared in your moment again, this intercession type design is called a medium-utern. It's another innovation. It's not what a lot of folks are used to and we actually have these conversations with other towns, other citizens who just simply say, well, why can't you just build a normal intersection? It seems like typically it seems counterintuitive. In this case, this intersection would allow for street movements to occur to the intersection. But if you wanted to turn left, then you would need to turn right, go to a U-turn, and then a U-turn bold, which could be signalized, and then allow you to redirect you to the direction you're going. So again, camera intuitive a lot of folks, but there's a lot of science that goes into this, there's computer modeling that demonstrates that these types of intersections, they're safer, they're more efficient. And so I tell people this, that if we keep doing things the same way, we're gonna get the same results, right? So we know that our area is changing. We're blessed with significant growth in North Carolina. It's a great economic driver, but we have to continue with that in the transportation sector. So again, if we keep building just your standard intersections, they're not going to be there in the future to serve that future traffic demand. And as stewards of public funds, that's really our core responsibility. Safety, honestly, coming first. But second, truly is to represent the state well and spend the money wisely that we're getting. So again, a median U-turn, it's a month. We often call it, but I don't know if that's very impressive to many folks, so I try to just to call out the MiniV intern. You can see kind of the concept map of the divergent diamond interchange here. I don't know if it's zoomed in tight enough for you to see and to get a feel for it but I think a lot of us probably have experienced a couple of these now where you simply cross over the other lanes as you traverse the intersection on the main roadway and it allows the left or right terms to flow with traffic as opposed to opposing traffic. And this was really hard to see. I apologize, I'm just trying to capture it all. I think the take away here, as you can see, that there's two U-turn bulbs on an idle hour on either side of Stevens-Mail East and West. And then it is going to be necessary if we implement this design to carry a down Stevens mill for quite some ways in order to taper it back down and tie into the two-line section of Stevens-Mail. tapered back down and tied into the two-line section. That's Steve has been. So again, the delays talked a little bit about that. In fall of 2019, this project and all projects that were in preliminary engineering or project development had to be paused. We had a significant cash issue at a time, but we have recovered from that. and we are back on track with many projects this will include it being back in production by this time to get moving if we're going to get made. But we knew we still had a draw conclusion in 2021 on what we were going to go forward with. So at the Town of Request, we pushed this project out a little further into our stip. That's our state transportation improvement plan. And picked the can down and wrote, if you will, for just a little bit and give us some more time to make some decisions. In the spring of this year, we released another draft stiff and have actually released another since that time because we've been very fortunate. The introduction of IJ-A, the new Federal funding bill, it did produce a higher level revenue stream for the department. So this project and a number of other projects were able to be brought back into this gym and into the delivery window, meaning it's slated for construction. It's time for us to get started in project development. So that's where we are right now, even after our project delays. The big question is, where do we go from here? So if we're gonna proceed with the project, then we really need to get working on it, Sean and his team, their manager, I can't tell you how many projects it's in the hundreds. So this is just one of many that we've got to be working on. We've got to get started in order to meet the deadlines that are put in front of us. We need to be going to a rideaway acquisition in State Fiscal Year 26. That could be as early as July 1st, 2025. But you know, rideaway acquisition has become a very tough phase for us. You know, land prices have gone up. It is becoming ever difficult to negotiate the property orange, especially to realize what your loan is worth. And the appraisal process and all, it takes a significant amount of time, and all that's just leading up to the next phase, which is utility location. And again, another project challenge where we struggle to get utilities moved ahead of time until we can get in and build the road, right? That occurs with coordination with private. Probably on utilities, it's not like we can just go out there and plan them over. Obviously, we've got to coordinate, and that does take time. So these schedules that you're looking at now, they're actually fairly compressed. So I think it's more likely that we would wind up on a construction later than we're projected right now in the current grass-stead. At least fiscal year 29, I think that's probably about the best we could do if we got to go ahead and move forward now. So you know, that's, it seems like a long time for now, but it does take a while to get through this process. And again, if we're gonna meet that deadline and come close, we really need to be making this decision now about what we're gonna do. So, what we're asking of the board here is, are you okay with this project? As we've laid it out with the six-line section, with the diversity of the energy change, with the meeting you turned at students now. To this point, we haven't really gotten consensus with that and we need that. PNCDOT You know, PINCEDOT is not in the business of just, you know, ramming things down, any more throats. We need that buy-in. We simply can't move forward, Dr. Kitson. You know, we need that. But we're stuck, right? We've got this overarching mission of delivering the projects that are in the still, all these projects have been ranked score and competed in this project along with others. We're selected for funding because they were high demand areas, right? There's a lot of vehicles that we use in this very way today to a lot more than we were particularly using in the future. So, you know, we have got to either move forward or really have the project removed from the step is where the only other alternative we've got. And so in order to do that, we would just, you guys would really have to request that of the planning organization, CRTPO. I don't know if everyone here is familiar with it, but it's something really different. That's going to move, that's right. Yeah, I think I saw it right. So we, you know, it would be a difficult conversation, but certainly something that if that's of interest to the town that we would help work through the technical aspects of it, but the money is certainly needed in many, many locations. It's a very stiff competition in this state because there are so many needs where we're growing at a very high rate and that's no surprise. So we know that there's more and more people living here, there's more and more people who are tripping to participate. So that one is gotta go somewhere, either on this project or the next. So in order for us to meet the schedules, it comes up as We need to have a decision really about the end of the year. It doesn't have to be right now, obviously. We can continue conversations. But what we do know today is that we have looked at this project, we have analyzed this project. We have done really what we believe to be all we can do. You know, if there were an alternative that would satisfy the immediate requests to the town, certainly, that's what we would be doing. But we know that the math doesn't lie, and that it's going to take a significant project with some innovative solutions to meet that future meet. So that is our ask and certainly can take any questions. I hate to be the guy that I was talking about. All right, I'll talk. But I was going to ask someone. I was going to ask someone. I was going to ask someone. I was going to ask someone. I was going to ask someone. I was going to ask someone. I was said it about it, I'll jump in. So you got six lanes going east through Stephen's Mill. And within, I don't know, quarter to one, half mile, they narrow down the two lanes. Yes, both through Henry Bridge. And I sat at that intersection, and I live in Shenmore, right there near there. Sat in that stop stuff like my direction, but in a good long time, and just watched, I didn't count it a lot of cars. I would venture to say, most of the cars about traffic going through their home, right on through the heavy bridge and beyond. How's that gonna funnel down from six to two? What's that going to do? It is not the perfect scenario. I actually had this conversation with Neil Burke, who is the secretary at CRTPA recently. To ask the question, is there another extension of this project plan? Is there a long range plan? Is it the desire of Union County to have something like that added to a long range transportation plan because of the point you're making? You're neck and down really close. So yeah that is going to be an issue. The intersection itself, if implemented as a design we expect it's going to process that traffic. But certainly there will be delays on down the road. That's inevitable. How do you give them? The road expressed play. A lot of these folks are going on. They're getting on 45, but they're going on through Matthews that way. Most of them are probably hopping on 45. How do we get them, those coming from Indian Trail and further that way instead of coming straight on through? How do we encourage them to go south on, look at my map, turn into the name of that street. Oh, Indian Trail Fairview Road. I don't get them to turn that away and hop on the interstate, the bypass that way. That would take a such a tremendous load off about it. Well, traffic, you know, just generally speaking, I mean, we are traffic, right? Each of us here is probably road today, so we're part of traffic and we're humans, but we're a lot like electricity and water. I mean, we take the path of these resistance. So I think if there's a transportation solution to give people to their destinations quicker or safer, that's gonna be, that's gonna be, that's how you could redirect folks, right? But with an absentee, and obviously this is a short run for some folks who have certain destinations, other trips wouldn't be here today. So, you know, in short of making some other improvement, they would make the alternate route more appealing. You're not going to, you know, just be able to control where folks go, Is there going to go with the best route for that? Just like the rest of us. So if we improve this, we'll encourage them to use this through route. If we don't do anything, you know, get to a point where it will be easier to do. Quite possible. That's one way to look at it. Certainly, you can't argue with that logic. I mean, I think I've said this a number of times lately, but it's true sometimes if you build a thing will come. If you're forecasting traffic, and the future traffic volumes are going to be higher with an improvement, right? It's pretty basic. It's just, it's gonna have a larger draw, it's gonna have a large capacity. But so, it doesn't mean that the vehicle trips that are on the road in the future, if you did nothing, the vehicle trips were continued to grow up to a point where capacity is reached. up to a point where capacity is reached. And then building off that that going, I guess, is at west, it's also going to be two lengths, right? Because it's going to get to that roundabout. So this is really just six lanes to get people onto the highway. That's right. I mean, the interchange itself, the DVI, in order to process traffic and order to keep traffic off the ramps, we're back and on down the ramps. You've got to have certain level of efficiency, right? You've got to have some receiving lanes to capture that efficiency in this person down the road, I mean that's literally how you free up an interchange and again to prevent cars from back and up all the way down the ramp creating a significant safety edge. And I wanted to point out that the roundabout that you mentioned that was a part of the project scope at one time, but we have that project, that piece of the project has since been recommended to be removed. There have been some conversations with Matthews. I believe that's actually inside the town limits of Matthews there, where there may be some desire that I'm around about. But again, that was just simply a result of us working to downless go to our project as much as we could to save money, particularly when we were in such a crash, cash crunch a few years back. So the whole goal is to get people off of essentially the fund and offering from backing up, because it sounds like it's only going to go longer or so down and then they're all going to back up and I can speak from experience with lawyers row that's what happens you get off and it's two lanes and then it just in fact if it's reason I built take lawyers from mid-health is because I know I'm just gonna sit on that bridge all day long. But that's how you go. But very true. I mean I couldn't disagree with you. It's a fun. You create a fun. I mean, it's a reality. So Brett, that's interesting. Thank you by the way. We should have said that. You probably did me that. I did that. You're a part of the hardest job in the state. Not at all. This is tough. But that's a great question. I want to ask that as well. There's a double-down intersection then, move traffic so quickly off the interstate that then just puts them on the state road. It's a state road that's in the water. That's why you're doing this. Does that just dump more their quicker? Certainly. And then create more backup at the Hingby Bridge and the terminus of the Six Lane. That's a problem. It certainly is. It's not a problem isolated to this project. Yeah, and if this project exists in our stiff, you know, it is again, competed against other projects in this area. It was deemed to be worthy if you were in this. It was, say at some point someone said, now we need to make an improvement here and do something different. And when we take that role, our jobs are to figure out really what's needed for that future demand. But part of that is you're absolutely right. I mean, you are processing traffic more quickly with the more efficient design. That traffic has to have somewhere to go. It's a point that becomes inefficient and that happens to be probably in the end. Right, how many minutes? So, but where do you draw a line? If this project were scoped as an improvement from here to Andrew Bridge, you might be having a different conversation. But that's certainly not the case, right? It's not what this project is. It's not what this project competed at. I mean, look, this one, that's why. So the six lanes, that's the through lanes, right? And then there are median and turn lanes, and then at the Harris-Tier signal. At the H.T. signal. It felt like, and Alex now looked at a map the other day, that it rivaled them with the weight relief. New man mentioned the steel arrays. But it does rival the width of the providence going through weight relief by lane. So that just feels like it's overbuilt even though the model says it's not. But I think that's some of the heart, I don't live, I live on the other end, I don't drive this road, I can speak, I think fairly objectively, whereas those who travel that probably have a different opinion, naturally, but a wavily tight cross-section, if that's what it is, just feels of a build. Large. Yeah. Yeah, out of context. Out of context. This is a conversation. We've had this conversation with 70 towns. So how do we get a resolution million of the year? And then back to the if side of this, if this goes through, it feels like that's not. And you probably would know this. And I'm a fairly new member to the regional planning board called Carpoh, but there's not an if we say no, it stops. My guess is, the mayor goes in front of Carpoh, and says, we don't want this, and Matthew's in the trail and others say we want this, and probably this, but I put that down on that. It feels very uncomfortable, you don't want that into you. So we're doing collaboration. That would be the nuclear option. It's not fun. So I don't know that if is there a reality, you think we could say no, but this goes away. Or gets pushed to a decade or two down the road. Well, so what we did, we delayed the project. Yeah. What we felt like was, you know, some reasonable amount of time. Right. We delayed it. It was brought, it came back into being our funded status for construction. So we feel like we've already taken that step. And again, the funds that we're talking about, it's a very competitive process. I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of locations within our division that these funds, there's another project just waiting, right. There's always a project in the queue, so that's our point is we understand that we have a responsibility to make our roads better. It just feels like the width and then the bottleneck that gets created, right? Sure, it's going to, it will be in our town limits and off the freeway That's gonna be hard That's that's the issue and then the other question ahead is we've got a development since the farms It's in order to make you know that of course across from the air seeker. We've asked them to do three to four million dollars of road improvements They probably lag Guess it was super being whether they may lag your projects and then We are public dollars are then paying for what we've asked private development. We thought about that in the three cents of coordination with that three to four million dollars. I don't know what this cost is probably gazillion a lot more. One of these guys in the audience might be able to quote it but I don't have that number committed. But the dynamic is we've asked and expected a budget of $3 million or more to come out of St. Lawrence pockets to do their TIA required improvements but it feels like your project the State's party is going to well exceed what we've asked them to do so they're going to get off the hood in one respect. And there's $3 million could be kept going elsewhere. So I don't know what we do about that either. Well, that's something that we continue with very often. I mean, actually, I don't know if we have a larger size project that we're not working with some developer. It is a constant for us because, again, we're not working with something overall. It is a constant for us because, again, we're in a very fast growing area. So that's something that we integrate into our project plans. It depends on where that private project is in this process. It could be that it just doesn't make sense for them to make any improvements. I don't believe in wasting the taxpayers's money or private money for that matter. So in my position would be if we couldn't coordinate it and have some, you know, if we were far enough along we have cases where developers could contribute to what would be their improvements. But there are also cases where that our improvements would simply got a lot of what they did and I don't see any reason for someone to throw money at some situation that's going to have a road improvement that's going to become obsolete within a year or something. It doesn't make sense to me, but certainly we have on the one coordination with any development that's connected to the project. So what's my last question? I asked before you leave that very good stance in farmers. I'll find a way to extend that. Find it out. I don't that if it's 3 million, I mean between what it's costing us to build road projects these days and everybody's experienced the cost of increases with everything in life, real estate in particular and there are a right of a cost if you try to extend that and go farther down, excuse me, I would expect you quickly to exceed that $3 million. Is that bottleneck? I'm just going to look on the east side of the HMU bridge where that stops. Does it stop at what's at Mill Grove, Turret Road? Yeah. No. What stops? growth, tertiary, yeah, no. What stops? It stops. The improvement for a six goes to the stops and right near the entrance to the home car. It's got it. OK. But does that bottleneck drive the wet field? Meaning we've got a bottleneck here at the enclaves so that we've got to store the cars that are in place. So the interstitial says that's pretty because they just went back up to the interstitial So I wouldn't expect that to be the case. You know, I would think that once you process the traffic through the steam is mill intersection, then your bottleneck is going to go down to the next signal, generally speaking, the next major intersection which requires being able to stop. That's what you get to anticipate. And the distance that you've got beyond steam is milled to tie in to the existing road lane. There's a concept, it's called lane utilization that you need to have a certain distance of a runout lane pass the intersection for vehicles to actually want to sit in that lane and not have a drag race with the guy or the girl sitting next to him. So you need a certain distance to account for that. In this case, I think, and I can't even tell, it's been a while, but it's too tight for me to see here. But I do believe we dropped one of those lanes at maybe at that interest at some of it. When drops is a U-turn lane, probably would have been turning left on a steepen's mill and then the other two merge back now. I don't remember if it drops. I don't remember now. We can zoom in on that. I can break this name, zoom in. But we can get some of these details. There's a four-line possibility. There's a six-line or nothing. So based on our analysis, we look for what's called a level of service D in an urbanized area. So a level service D, you know, that's during, you know, vehicles are going to, drivers are going to experience delays. Not terrible, terrible. I don't have the, you know, there's actually, you know, seconds of delay in it, but you have a level service, right? So if that's our minimum threshold to achieve the level of service, D, and you couldn't get the level service D with the foreland section, if you could, we would most certainly deliver a foreland section. Foreland is not an option to see the suits or nothing. Unfortunately, I feel like that's where we are. And I wish we had a better story to tell, and some of it all started to explore. We have really analyzed this thing to death. When does that, is that in failure now, or is it in failure 10 years from now, 25 years from now? When you say the numbers, I mean, so there's wait times now over there, it doesn't seem like it's, wait times all over the show, just to be blind. So, that's right, zero. I mean, but if we're gonna spend the taxpayers' money that our philosophy is, we've gotta make some sufficient improvement. That level of service D has become our minimum threshold. And in the role there is, it's a higher level service. Right, it's all about context. So, you know, a level service deed folks are still going to be delaying to some degree, but, you know, nothing like you would if you didn't do a project, right? But, you know, when does that occur? I mean, we're forecasting traffic volumes out. I don't have the exact numbers. I'll say this one was probably like a 2045 forecasted volume. If we're working on a project today, it's going to be, you know, 2050-ish. We're going to keep moving down the road of predicting traffic volumes for future views. So that's what we're talking about. Is meeting at the man in the future here, being good stewards of public funds, making wise investments with the public dollars. That's why we're at this stock, right? If you built the Six Land, and we saw issues where we're funneling in and it's causing a lot more grief than it's facing. Does that figure back into the equation for getting it fixed quicker? If it's a calls problem, or if it's a CSE? Two. If we know that this funneling down is going to cause problems from get go. What determines whether or not that funneling down is in failure. So the project has got to stop and start someone. Every project must have a stop and finish, right? The project is not a DOT project. It's a us project, right? It's the town stallings, in the OT, CRTBO. We've all collectively decided that this would have even improvement at some point in the past. It was just, it competed for funds. It rose to the top. And now it's here in front of us to make a decision to move forward or not. So we're not physically able to move forward any quicker. If we don't get started now, we won't go to Liberty on the tie-off frame. It's already, it's slated to be delivered on. Well, let me go get me wrong. I'm not so much against, I mean, I think the six lanes is wide, but at the same token, I mean, 485 up here, I mean, by the time it was built, needed expansion. I mean, so I could see where, maybe the extra two lanes is planning to prevent that from needing to come right back into the town. And go, by the way, now we need to extend it to more lanes, for after we finish it So I mean I don't like the looks of it Just because if it's gonna be detrimental to that area the way it's laid out now But but in the long run it might might be better for that area Yeah, just just be. I sympathize. And this is so complicated. I'm not smart. You say six lines. Just be aware. It's not six lines plus a medium plus turn lines. It's a bit. Yeah. And we all agree. Yeah. I don't have the Providence Road with, I have committed a memory. I think it's in that neighborhood. Maybe it was to you, right? It's different as you get down the street with milk, but it's still seven or eight. Oh, yeah. This is definitely, yeah. I mean, three. But the car... Don't play me pretty much, I mean, it's a wrong way, other way. You said the lake thing, right? Wave, really. Wave, really. Edmund and his fourth promise road. How is 16 to 45? It's terrible to drive to their university hours. It's just that. For a tremendous amount of development. Actually, it's a current day. It's a plus. Absolutely. Speaking of that, the bell went to the... Yeah, got the long ones. So is there a... Is there a scenario given the steps and the timelines and all that where there is somewhat of a not a permanent delay? You know, we don't want to delay anything. We need to grow the improvements. But there is an opportunity to coordinate the development of this with the delivery of that huge development is what's dry. I know we need a lot more improvements without development. That's what I think you found initially. Then we added 50,000 cars. You subtracted 25 and we still needed that. Right. But is there an opportunity? I feel like if we delay it, some of them are all in the entirety of it. Is there a compromise? I feel like if we delay it, or some of them, we're all going to be tired of each other, and we're going to have to do each other. Is there a compromise, or the compromise? Is it with the road, or the compromise? The compromise is the timing of coordinating with a large development project that is still waiting on sewer permits. I don't know if it's hard to do. Well, so I mean, if that's a request, then I think, again, we've delayed the project before. We could consider delayed it again. But I think I'm not sure what that process would look like. I think ultimately what it would result in, if we could navigate that and say we want to lay this project, if it goes into the unfunded years of our STEM into the non-delivery side of the STEM, I think it's possible that it would wind up recouping for funds in the next round, potentially because it would become unfunded for construction. And again, we have a right now that is a scenario that would probably be the likely outcome of something like that. There's risk there. There's risk there if you want, probably, right? I mean, but yeah. Well, the man these assume needs the project and the trail citizens want the project to. It's not just us, even though it impacts us in a big way. Right. And there are other people who benefit downstream. Sorry. That could be something we could talk about for a minute. I'm not going to solve it here tonight, but yeah. It's not a good question, sorry. This one is there, Dean, on the top of your head, another area, which Ari has this, because sometimes it's just helpful to, we already know if one that exists, is there anything like this around the area where you've widened the road to get it? Carves off the highway, and then narrows down, way quickly. Does that want to be a good thing? Well, so I don't know if I could think of a case where you've got this semi-short section of improvement, but certainly if there's locations where you've got a new interchange constructed. The 73 example, where it crosses I and 5, you've got a the diamond, it quickly tapers back down to two lines. So that exists there. Where is it? 73. MZ73 and I85 and comparison. What does that car kiln look like compared to ours? I have to be speculating if I didn't get one. You want to go in that way? Yeah, it's not a whole lot of such a tragedy. Yeah. Well, 73 is actually part of a stick project as well. That segment is not currently fun for construction. But Jason segments to 73 are. And then two more. So the good go back, I guess I'm curious with this U-turn. How that works. Is it a concept? Is that that you're building a separate road? Because there's only one road there, right? That's right. Intersection. So you're building a separate. Well, so I don't want to write what to call a medium divided six-lane facility. And so that's the fourth. You would cross over to students' mill. Students' mill would widen to some degree. I think you would widen some of the information at the intersection. But then as you went east of steam as well, not a while, the roadway began to taper down. So you would be able to make the huge arm movement that's shown here. This would be representative traveling from the west to the east on out of wild. This would be that huge-turn, we were showing that we had a lane drop there, and then you go down, maybe you got two lanes to a point, and they, it's going to terminate at the next intersection, or it's going to take her back together. And statistically that's safer. It is. Any time that you are able to reduce the conflict points, this whole concept of ultimate intersection of the signs is we've used the phrase of RCI to reduce conflict intersection. So you reduce it over the conflict points, you thereby reduce the possibility of having to crash is by subject to it, right? And so there is a safety enhancement to the crash of treatments. And then one last one, if we go back to what's happening with the more? The DVI? Yes. So that would that require redoing the entire bridge that overpasses. So I think we've got a one? Yes. Why do you have a lot of blocks? And there is one like that I think down T you K getting off the old mill. Okay. It does that. It's annoying, but it's safer. It's the next one's safer. And then there's one in Asheville and it's confusing the first time you do it. It can be certainly. It's safer. Well it's more efficient. You know, certainly more efficient. You can use your Able to run more traffic, moving in the efficient, you know, certainly more efficient. You can, because you're able to run more traffic, moving in the same direction concurrently, where if you had conventional intersection, there's always multiple legs of that intersection that you're sitting on, and you're able to move more than one leg at a time, as well. And why is this the median? So, the median, you know, if we held it consistent and you wanted to have accommodations for dual-left turn lanes, just those lanes itself would be like, say, 24 feet for rough math and then an island. I mean, I mean, John or Stuart got my motor quoted, but certainly could be 37 feet at the intersection. But I'm not convinced that we would need that complete width all the way down. You can build us a nice one. All my ones on the students' mail out of wildlife. Yeah, it's going to work in that. Not bad one. Not that one. Not that one. Yeah, I don't. The concept will go before you. Yeah, it's a concept. You agree. Yeah. So you don't? Is that a green 30 feet, did you say? Well, so at a hair steamer, you've got a full loop in signal. You're going to have the ability to make left turnings or left turns off of out of wild. And if there's a future development that's occurring there, that's going to also be more in these additional turnings. So that increases the width. You can actually have a narrow, more narrow flip-rand in an intersection like this because the turnings don't exist directly at the intersection. If this were a long corridor improvement, you know, it may make more sense to have a completely consistent median width, but I could see a scenario where the median was varied. So from minimum to maximum, what is it? Well, part of the problem. So, you've got to have enough room, if you're going to have dual left turn lanes, then that median's got to accommodate the width of two left turn, of two turn lanes. Our go-to width is 12 feet for length. We can sometimes we narrow that down a little bit, we could probably do that here. But if that's 24 feet plus, you know, say, 5 feet for an island, you know, you're in a neighborhood of 30 feet. By the time you figure some payments, cracking up, and whatnot. So that would be at the Harris-Cheater intersection. And then at the U. And we don't have final designs, right? This is just a concept, though. So here, you don't have left terminaries at the intersection. What do you guess the widest of agreed spaces? So up and down you see that you've got left turn lanes to make U-turns. You've got to have some type of space for that U-turn movement and T-cars up. So, you know, I mean, you're still in somewhat of the neighborhood, you know, the 24 foot range there, I would say Spreds. Thank you for doing this. I think Joe Center, people always complain about the roads. And then, say thank you. It's a pretty easy target. There's a lot of problems out there. I know I curse the, you know, every time I look at the empty bus lane on 74, I know what that helped. We're working on that. We're working on that. Yeah. But just with is this, is this a holy funded project? Is it correct? So the money won't go away. If you start on this, it will be built. Boring them for seeing circumstances. A couple of years ago, I want to say, yes, we're full steam ahead and there's nothing's going to stop us. But we have pandemic. We have some hiccups, things that don't pick anyone or predict it. But if our funding streams stay consistent, nothing else changes. Again, it's all based on projected funding streams that you have to move even forward with your consent. But with that, you can send it where you perhaps go. I don't even know the point. Taking an all-in. No, I have my opinion, but I think we're on the the same page so I don't need to be redundant. Well, I guess that's it for Council. I appreciate you. We appreciate you coming. And the staff as well. Phil was sending the presentation. Appreciate it. Sorry. And if any questions come up, please feel free to reach out. We're here to work for you. Thank you. Okay. Can I ask just one more question? Let's call this time a little. The Gameway Station platform. And is that supposed to open? So, I don't have a solid date for that. The Gameway Station platform itself. You know, there was a very grand plan associated with Gateway. It was intended to facilitate the passenger rail and be a connection for light rail in the future. So those plans are up for debate, but that's the city of Charlotte. Led project is above the cry of orchids, and there's certainly a lot of very almost the gillium that they're going to get. I thought the works of the day was DOT's. Well, we definitely have, NCDOT rail especially has been overseeing the construction of the project. But as far as when you're going to have an actual station there, I have a hard time predicting. But I can definitely get the right folks in touch with you if you'd like. And have a good conversation about your area. There's a lot. I'm just curious because there's been some questions about it. It's so far. So far. That's right. Again, and if you look at what's similar to what I'm saying, it's probably just proposed to be broken in two phases now, that segment being the second phase, certain sets of concerns are in all of us for us. We've got this here. It's 2035. OK, the documentation which I've got by the documentation has three different dates on it. So I was just trying to figure out what the real date was. That's all. China put entire high speed rail throughout the entire country in less time. Moving along. Thank you very much. Thank you. I'll put it in as far as the next steps on this issue. Feel like we're kind of in a black mark. We'll continue that. We'll probably put it on a future job. We'll have a nice decision. What I can do to make tonight, does for sure. I can't. No, I think we need to decide tonight in the year. I think that's the thing. Let's get to that. What I heard, maybe there's something there, we could potentially delay it a little bit more. I figured it out. I can explore that with Sean and Brett. What was our goal? What was our goal? I can't even tell. They're telling us that it needs to be. And they're okay. It's too much of a name. They're really like me. Plus. No, no. No, what I'm asking is mathematically they say that they can prove that it's just a name. My problem is that my brain, I'm a of guy. I was like numbers don't last this time. So my question is what is our goal that we want to achieve? I got that. You don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. Well, listen. You guys want to have a discussion. Yes, it is. I was just going to do a little discussion. Or you want to just put this on and think about it. Look after it. Yeah, we can. I thought that was. I'm happy to have a discussion. I So counter into it, if you're mega six line, you take that 30 foot mean, tune half time to make it 100 feet and put a nice, where it turns into more, you make it a part. Big tables too. In the mean, you make it a green light, you make it look really cool. You're gonna have a six line divided by a huge part. I would say it doesn't have to feed the purpose of small area plan, students's far from being walkable and there's just a walk across the street to hear a scene early. Yeah, a lot of this is when you become passive. Yeah, if you look at a lot of the, it kind of becomes self-fulfill and prophecy in a way right? If you get more traffic capacity, there will be more traffic that comes this way. And so you can see by the design, it's really becoming like a high-water. You know, a lot of design with the bulb outs and the turn around, it's like highway 74. I think one of the results of that will be you'll'll get development and slide on the highway. So you can see the friction here and this is an easy solve. It looks all of us in 2018, 2019, but DOT's goal is to move traffic, safe home and official period. Our goal is certain level service is important, but it's not the only case in relation. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I'm not sure if I can get a good one. I And really David, I think you hit it on the head of a Braddock, and we were who said it, I'm sorry. I'll take it for you. But David's point was a good one. Is that really the choice you're giving us now is do nothing and pull it. It's like we don't want that. It's terrible. Or take what we're giving you. I don't think so. And I think you get a cart below and then you get trails. Yeah. I And Matthews is about to blow up that corner. Why are they taking that round of out of them? I'm not sure of the flurry. I'm not sure of the flurry. I'm going to tell you. But we're going to get rid of that. That's what he just said. He said that round of out was temporary. There was a round of out here. Is that what it just said? It's coming out there. It used to be a roundabout on the other side of the bridge. I think it was maybe in Stalingrad. Oh, we're not talking about it. We were talking about it. Come on, either way I'm drunk. Oh, not the big one. Oh, oh, okay. There's a small, right off the interstate. Okay, okay. So this is why this is so difficult as that. The traffic engineers, this is a problem. Traffic engineers are looking at it. I want to do traffic. But the lay needs plan is you look at it like well. If we do what you're saying to do to build what we need to to handle this, we're never going to get what we want. So it's like self, that's what I mean when I say self-affilling. I could be read if you're like TIA analysis on like a lot of downtown areas like an You know uptown Charlotte be terrible right? It was so failing was in things like that so And I just like how much land would they have to acquire? I mean it would be like they might knock out victory and start putting my hand in. Yeah, I mean, there'd be stormwater issues with potential I need to deal with. The gentleman here on the end is the owner of the corner, Steven's mill in the idle wild. That's going to take the chunk right away. Take the chunk of his project. Yeah. What's it? What's that? What up with Rocky's stories? Mr. Williams, he's also connected to since involved farm further TI and development of the Missouri to kind of put in some fabric improvement. Is the developer for the system farm for the market? Property owner. Mr. Williams is the developer. I don't know if he's actually nuts and bolts in the elder, but he's part of the investment group that deals with that. not some bolts and elevators, but he's part of the investment group. So as far as clear solutions, option one, option two, both options are bad. So to me, it's like, if we don't like the options we have, let's put the table over and figure out a new option. That sounds cool to say. I don't know what that new option is, right? But it sounds, I heard them say, well, what if we delay it more? That sounds somewhat promising in the sense that since the farms come to any of these developed, then they build a chunk of it, right? Perhaps that helps alleviate some of the artichness. But in theory, when these developments come in, if they're big enough, they should be having to mitigate traffic that they call. So it isn't making any worse. In his stints and farms, are they locked into that monetary, I mean we said it's $3 million, but I mean that was $3 million three years ago, if it's not a dollar, then it's not a dollar. That's right. So the traffic impact analysis identifies a mitigation as a condition of those developments. They're required to put in the mitigation factors that would mitigate the traffic and impact the missing. So there's not a dollar around it. It's just the work itself to be done. So, it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was three-point whatever, five years ago or three years ago. It's whatever it is, man, or whatever they get built. They still have to do the improvement, even if it's ten minutes. That's fine understanding. There's a court of appeals case that concerns us a bit with private downed nation that I've asked Max and Mac in research and Max Mr. or Max Mr. C gets back from his sabbatical for them to check this out and make sure that's still the case but That's a secondary So I think for now it's like, what are we doing, right? I'd like the Board's permission to keep on talking to DOT to explore the extension of the time frame for getting it done and it gives us a little bit more time. Because when we said, hey, let's get the can, we'll spend it for three years, came back a year later, but I thought it would be a little bit longer. Well, I think they got a lot of money with this. Yeah, that's what I think. I think they said what, 450 million a year, which is almost 50% of their budget. Yeah. Let's see, that's the danger. And if you can't have them, we're going to sort of end it into a recession. Yeah. And as you said, funding can go away. Even though it's there. They'd probably score high again. I don't know if that was scored really high. The scoring matrix is there now. Probably a little score high again, but you're right. You just, you never know. Same with me. I would love to get some farm doin' what they could create to do, but they could also delay. And now you're making a chicken who starts the project first. Yeah. We're not thinking, even according to this, we're not talking about something that's going to start. It's going to be, yeah, nine, seven, yeah, nine. Is that point? I don't know. I don't know. Is that point? I don't know. I don't know. Is that point? I don't know. Is that point? I don't know. Is that point? I don't know. Is that point? Yeah, I wish the mayor were here because he's very adamant against the six-lein plus two generalites. There's ends of being nine lines. That's over you. And I get it. There are benefits to move the traffic, right? We've traffic number two. The retail that will show up along that border. Does it have to feel like a tower? With our zoning laws. It won't go like independence back. It might go like what you're like. The way it was not fair from a really little of the trans-transportation standpoint. But it produces a $1.00 worth of revenue and tax pay, some people love it. But is that what you want here enough? That's hard to imagine. But then do we become more just like a giant off-frame? Because it sounds like they're just getting off. They're going to go down, take right, and then possibly hurt your way back to 74. Yeah. I think if you're getting off 4 or you 5 rather than deal with the 74 at that point, which is awful, come down one, get off, look back around. One of the, what I said earlier, I wasn't kidding, because it's the emerging possibility, is that in Henry Bridge, it's less than a four mile or ish to the expressway. That's the way they need it, and that's high speed. That's why they need to move expressway. That's the way they need it and that's high speed. That's why they need to move traffic through. These folks are driving from Lake Park and Indian Trail and Hemie Bridge and they're going through us because it's the easiest. Currently, and free. But if they could figure out a way to encourage them to go down that short little brook, let the interchange on the expressway hop on it and go on in that way, that will alleviate a lot of that. So that would be interesting. Can I put it up on a big screen? Yeah, of course. Any max plan? Full max of students in the lot of while please. Yeah, max. The map of students in the light of the wall please. Yeah. It's a map. Hi. Yeah, multiple TA projects in the area. Yeah. That's, are you? This is a real thing. It's a fun topic. And we're not deciding tonight. These are the front out ideas for future discussion. Yeah. I mean, Paul... I think you just want to pull it out, or maybe a little smaller. Well, I'm just trying to go back to simple. Can I give you a mic? Please. Okay, so here is the inter-risking things on it. And I will. That other box. Didn't know that I took it. Thanks. All right. That's the Stevens-Millahide of Wilder to the, that away is the mess, current mess. You go down and right in there is where it clogs down the two lanes right through, and you bridge. And that, we go all those homes there. And get to the main street, not no row for the next one. In the trail fair view, that row there, to the left, a lot of them left. And there you are on the expressway. The problem is, the problem on the expressway. The problem is that it's that. Most of us, we finished first. Most of us folks up in that corner, we've down, down. Big area of view. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm doing this because I was micr. See all that, that Henry Bridgeridge in further out, all that Indian trail traffic goes right on through and tries to go 45. If we could encourage them to go that short blip down there to the expressway they have about 74 hours already, clock nothing more. They also go to Matthew's Mitchell Road because it takes me to drop off over at Puerto Rican Middle School. I dropped off at 8.30. It takes me 40 minutes to get from there to the salon, sitting on Ottawa and then going around to Matthew's and it's also going that way too. Yeah. Yeah, we're not going to way to you. Yeah. Yeah, we're not going to solve anything tonight. Can we put it on the future agenda? Yeah, sure. We don't know. Chat about it again. I don't want to put chat on each meeting until we come up with a vote. But what's the pleasure of the council next meeting? Or the second doctor will be meeting. So next one. What are we talking about? And what they are going to ask is, what we believe, just how, what is it that we think what we want? I mean, kind of what's the, there was a town proposed, a screen cross section that we had done. Max, thank you. Thank you for navigating. Of course, if you could go up with that one. Yeah, yeah, sure. Where is the next meeting? I think we're going to have a couple absent members next meeting with Jove. We have the second meeting in the event, or second meeting in October. We've been in this event a long meeting. That's it. It's long. It's long, We'll have to either do it next meeting then. We'll do it next. Okay. Try to do it in the second one. Well, that'll be gone next meeting to Boop. I'll be there next. Yeah, I'm going to the next meeting. I'm not that it's second meeting. That's why I was the second meeting. Maybe I want to skip it? Why? I was... No comment? I was... What's up? How about first meeting in November? I hope it seemed to be communicating with you and... You're right. We're going to close, I think, to decision-point. You're right. Let's just do it next meeting. Okay. If we don't resolve the next meeting after... It would be said, do this date's 2029? Yeah, sure. 2029 completion date. Oh, completion date. I'll start it. It's starting date, starting date. I thought it was completion date. 2029, starting date. I thought it was start, it's starting date. I think you got to do all this until the line right. Yeah, I was 28. That's overall. Brought away. I'll take a couple of years. Probably for them to get through that. Well, I was not going to have the mayor involved in the mayor is I represented. Yeah. And he's he's going to be with the board and the idea to spread.O.D. Spread, and see if there's any compromise that they could come up that way. Do we have to have that one in the evening? Is that a safety thing? Yeah, but you've got to come with that turn line. They've got to be beard on the other side of the man. A lot of general. If Brad's right, a lot of times they want to have that order large grassy meeting so they can expand in the future. All right. Close them down that topic. We've got a fun topic. Take it up back there. We're smarter. Puppies! Puppies! I can't help you. I can't help you. I can't help you. Oh, I'm so sorry. I can't help you. I tried. I tried. You tried to sell something, you get a break. We talked about that. Anyway, you could get in your own. So, um, and I would talk about expanding the Police Department Scan-On program. And I'm just going to talk about history of the program. Some successes of the current program, funding the next steps, and then ask for your approval to expand to a second canine unit. So just a little history. I think most everybody here knows Canine Lilly. She came in 2018-19 departments first Canaan. Last June, her and Josh Smith, who's the Canaan Handler, he's an out detective, we're assigned to Queen City Regional and former enforcement security task force. Lilly is training in our topics, detection, tracking and article searches, bike work, and public relations. I think public relations is what he wants. Yes, bike work. So just this is real quick. This is just a couple of our handful of our PR things that Lily's done. Little girl in town Olivia Strong who's going through that's her Facebook page but that's going through cancer treatments here and lives in stallings. One of those was a Christmas function at the quality and another one, little boy who we may not have a police officer accompany her scope. They all loved it all and wanted to see the dogs, so we could take it a night. And for those of you that had a chance to go to night out against Kronon, in August we had a pretty big turnout out for the can on demo. If you didn't know, Assistant Chief Perry was, he launched the can on program for the time of he wants, or he was a handler for a number of years. And then Josh did some of the bite work and some of the demos at the night out of these crimes. So dogs multi-faceted, lots of things we use it for. And it's not just catching back as well. It's also good to be community to have some contact with and see the dogs in the integral part of the group's program. Some of our successes. So Josh and Lily were part of this task force. They've been awarded an outstanding law enforcement interdiction team from the US bulk cash smuggling center. Just recently, I got an invite to go to the US Attorney's Office. Same group is getting an excellence in the pursuit of Justice Award through the US Attorney's Office here in the Western District of North Carolina. Some conversations with Josh. Lily's got a 60% successful track rate. Meaning I'll give a perfect example of how it's not the blind sighting here. Back there I just got a message with him on our robbery and had quality in. Josh was on his way out to try to have Lily do a track to see if we can find the back head. Just recently Lily was called out for a stolen gun case to show recovered in the air of 15 assault rifle here in the town. So in his four years as a cannot handler, Josh and lily had had close to 200 deployments not just here in stallings, but if you know any of trail needs a dog, the sheriff's office needs a dogman row, Mitt Hill Matthews, he trains and works closely with all of them. But in their current role, they seized over a little over a million dollars in US currency in the past 12 months and over 600 pounds of legal narcotics have been recovered. And here's some pictures from Josh and Lily's work on the task force. You can see the hood of the car that's eight kilos of cocaine they recovered tons of cash, lots of drugs. It's just shocking to see the numbers that come to the pictures. You're kind of making a small you can fit them on there. I want to be able to see the kind of work that we have up there and that task force. Big advocate of, I'm going to jump back here real quick, when we try to attack crime, you know, here in stallings, working on police officers in uniform, they're fighting crime on the ground level. When we start pushing them up, the food chain chain it's like the trickle-down economics that we've been crunching drug traffic high up which is what Josh and we're doing right now and I believe we'll choke some of the drugs that flow in and not just the Hollywood and the Union County. So that's part of our effort having him attached with this task force. That that million dollars of currency, we're hopeful that on the low end, that once the court cases start resulting themselves to work, about $100,000 to come to our asset for-per-tru accounts here, just for the time. Those are all restricted funds, I'm sure you'll know that, so if there's certain things we can, we can have to spend them on. We just can't go on and spend it however we feel. There is some money coming in. You know, you all have approved past purchases using asset for pressure money, but just so you know, there's more money coming in based on the work. And really, maybe. So I'll skip over there. We've already talked about that. Just kind of the next steps, a couple of weeks ago, maybe four weeks ago, we have a phone call. The Kansas Department of Corrections is disbanding their canine program and one of the dogs they have is being sent back to where it was trained here in North Carolina and the person that runs that business reached out to Josh Smith and said, hey, we've got this dog. It's already trained on narcotics. Still need to be trained on tracking and heartble searching. But we're going to be willing to sell it for at a pretty good price. This will allow us to launch a second canine unit. So Josh does a 60, 40 split. He spends three days a week with the task force, and two days a week working cases here in town. For example, if they did call them out, they'll be working in case here tonight. If you recall back in March, we had a homicide over in Carrier Green. Josh Smith was actually the lead detective on that and ran that case. We were getting dead. But what we're missing is, you know, he works primarily day shift. He's, you know, three days a week working at Task Force, two days a week here. We don't have that canine uniform, unpertural and mark card anymore. He's available, Josh is going out at any time. It just be beneficial to have a second dog that's unpertural focused on those efforts on the street. You know, not all the streets on the street. You know, the knowledge is urgent. But as far as costs, the cost of the dog, they're one of the cells of the dog for $2500. Dog is typically, we're probably about $10,000 for the dog, including the training. Costs the training for us, we've $5500, if we provide a kennel at the handler's house. We'd select an officer here. We're not adding any bodies to the department. We'd select a handler that's already here and you'd be trained, you're shooting, you're trained. We'd put a kennel at the house, we'd have to do some buy some different equipment, some uniforms, about $200 and part-time policy. There's a 5% increase, so pay in benefits, be about 3,400. If you looked at funding sources, the cost of the dog in the training, we'd use current asset forfature funds. The current canine budget is able to absorb two dogs, so there'd be no need to add anything to our operational canine budget. And then the pay in benefit increase. We filled our two police officer positions but they're getting ready to start probably sometime in October and we have a vacant part-time desk position that we're still trying to fill. So we have an ample lap salaries to cover that thirty four hundred dollars and make sure we have a bunch of additional money to the next fiscal year. So total, sorry, backtrack here. Josh just got a new car, his can and car was cycling out. So he's been putting a new car. We can still get a year or two out of the car and can't even be able to, so we don't have to buy another car. Just a little bit of work to it and it'll be good for another year or so. So really, we can bring a new dog onto the apartment with a hamburger for about $16,000. If we were to start from scratch, we'd probably be sitting about 32 to 40,000 to start this whole program. If you factored in vehicles and all that sort. Getting a dog that's already been trained in an opera. It's a two-year-old dog, what should I put you on the next slide? It's Camon Marcus. The dog's two years old, already been trained in an opera. It's a two-year-old dog, I'll show you a picture on the next slide. It's came in Marcus. The dog's two years old, already been trained. That's what shortens the training time. It's really the new hand, or getting adjusted to the dog, and I'll sign a work already. So we're saving a significant amount of money. Second dog in the department. Oh, the little of 60 tests.ie is four. So she's got, they can go anywhere from seven to nine depending on how long their health holds up. So Lillie is a female, so that makes her a little healthier. In the long term, they do bite work, but they don't do a lot of bite work. That's pretty hard on their teeth. So when the dogs start, the teeth start breaking, they have to be careful. The hip display show that's a big issue with Shepherd's Lily's. She's a Malinois Shepherd mix. This dog here two years old we got at the very minimum we've had five years of service out of this talk maybe a little bit longer. Has a has a disposition it's a male, has a disposition just like Lily. Assistant Chief Perry and the Detectorsmith went to see the dog over in Nash County, able to be approached and petted without an aggressive response. Where I came from in Illinois, my dog, you didn't look at it. It was more. It was, the hand we're always said, it's not. if Jovi bites you, it's when Jovi bites you. So I just got to just pass on a hit bit by the arm. So anyway, but I would ask, I asked the council to approve the police department to move forward for creation of the second K19. And if you have any question, would you want to have a hands-rearing that's working right now? And if you have any question, what are we going to have to answer in this word right now? The only question I have is, man, everything else is going up in price. Why would they be discounted? So, this is the Southern Canine Group where we got the elderly. Josh is a state-of-cl close contact with these folks. They've already paid for the dog, so the dog's coming back, so they're reselling the dog and the dog's already returning, so this world is getting the savings. And it's really Josh has developed those good relationships that they're calling in first to see if we can have an interest. So you have the questions? Just more of a statement. So I'm in favor of this, but I have just want to get out there concerned or thoughts on, you know, I think we're the idea of the police department in stallings is serving stallings and I don't know if I've talked my head if we had, I mean you know better than me if we have a major drug issue in the town and I would hate for us to move into, we're always trying to find drugs and we're trying to get that asset for, for for future money and avoiding some of the other areas. And that's as my concern because I don't want us to move away from what the citizens want and to the detriment. Doing work this to good work, but also to the detriment of keeping the town safe. Can I respond to that? So we are a tight knit community. I've seen 25 years of quiz off start not seeing a town that loves this quiz part of my install office. We tell our folks we need to make sure we don't lose that. Faith and confidence of the community, otherwise we're not effective. But because we're such a, you know, this, I look, I like it at the Travis suburbs. I mean, we can't cross into one town. If you don't see a sign, you might not know where you are. We work closely with all these departments. So we don't want to lose that, but it's also an important for us to try to attack it from a bigger level sometimes. I agree with you understand? That's why Artitech does a sign on a 64-year-old. He's full of it, and we didn't just say, hey, go, and we'll never see you. You know, you check in once a month. He is, the detective is here. If he needs to be here, he's here, he does not go up there. Our focus is here and it's always gonna be here. So just hopefully help you rest assured. We do have that focus. Can we order? Pleasure to the council. I would move that we through the expansion of the Kingdom Program for the purchase of Marcus. Second. Home favor? I know. All right. As long as you bring it all to me next time. Next time. Thank you. Actually, I'm actually having a German Shepherd Vitamin last month. Could that be something we do at Staling's House? Yeah, that's right. No, no, no. Thank you. Actually, I had a German shepherd vitamin last month. Could that be something we do at Stalingstice? No, no, no. It's like a demonstration. We have a demonstration. It's always best. We have to have them move to the past. I don't remember about that. But there's the parks and the rest of it. You right there? What's that? So we've done something. My dad was in just a minute. You Next up, how many jury reports? Great. So when we went over our town part as an action strategy, one of the things we talked about was, when to come back and just report, get everybody to progress up to go right, because goals are good, but if you don't track them, if you don't stay on top of them, they're not good for anything, right? It's a little waste of your time to get into the hate. So I wanna run through a month of war, no, what you probably already know anyway, to just kind of provide the context of where we are. So the first and the top scoring priority we had with dam time creation, it's been this way for several silos now and we've done a lot of work on it but we're at our process right now for immediate strategies we've been partnered with the UNC School government through the DELF Development Finance Initiative to get that development expertise in moving the downtown action playing for and developing those next steps. So really some of the benchmarks for success. So we have approved the Phase One feasibility assessment that's work is underway, Council Member Errors, Council of Richardson, and the Anti-Lewisans do that. And so I've asked them to come up with that second meeting in October, even update on just some of the preliminary findings that they've seen, just some of the feedback and surveys and research that I think will be helpful over the council to be aware of. And start thinking about operating a farmer's market. We've done that. Although the county has reported struggles in some of the later weeks and getting vendors to come and not being profitable with suspect, when the reason for that is because of just the numerous competing farmers markets in the area, especially the May half use one. So, we need a center team, we're going to get with the county in the coming months and just kind of do a deep reed. Let's see what can be done to kind of better enhance that and make it a more attractive option for leaders. No, don't happen like that as you guys are being crying on that. So, it's all because you did a pass along that recognition. I don't mind. So it's all, as you just pass along that recognition. Hold at least three parks and recommends the downpain area of RR down that we're joking internally. We probably need to set a higher bar than that. We're going to blow that out of the water anyway. Streetscape requirements. So we've got the street grass streetscape. It's complete. The council wanted to hold on smartly to run that concurrently with the DMI process and really understand that he cannot come back to that. So that's on hold as we go through the DMI process. One of the items we had in council secure, at least for members for downtown support committee within one year's phase one completion. That's not, we're not there yet. Any questions on our first agenda? So second priority is really maximizing a positive development around the twin anchors around the bypass area, first the hospital, and second the plan library area, and our strategy there was several point where we were recognizing areas of importance and doing a place-making beautification, and just really plan to maximize the kind of development down once in that area. So several things associated with that. We finalized the landscape and plan with DOT and concept, which is played with the interlocoper and back for DOT and that. And it probably took a little while for us to work through and make sure all the legal terminology is good. And once it is, we'll bring it back to the board for approval. But student plan is set and approved and in concept. By fast money escaping upgrades and any funding, so we put the money in there to do more routine maintenance of the DIT landscape events. Been in there for the fiscal year, so once that is in the fiscal year, hopefully it will be, we'll be able to maintain it in the fiscal year. Planning is working on the transit of the lay district. The club update and really submitting a grant to Carpe in the coming months, so Mr. Shown's been hard at work making that happen. And also, as we know, the gateway signage that we decided not to fund that. So that's put that on hold. So any questions on those items? So, good questions. I mean, I noticed a lot of the properties of DOM were sent out in this area. I mean, it is just such a shock here. I mean, I'll be seeing inability to move on that because of the source type situation. On the lyrella issue, well, they just didn't general down in that area. I would say the sewer definitely contributes to it. I'm not sure, there's a lot of market for certain types of businesses. I'm sure at the moment, until we bring that more development to the area. Okay, I didn't know if maybe since so much was debt, help for sale down that. I just guess. I mean, just generally in town, Max Gregg, if you feel I could hear from folks that are interested in development regularly, but the sewer issues is constantly something to tell. And ultimately, these days, went to the old Bruce. Completely, and I think that it's talking with the mayor of Waxall. He said he had a plan that he was kind of working on to disemsoor in his area. If you don't have to know what you think about that, he sounded like he was on the one man Which mayor, which mayor was that? Did you say that? OK. Excellent. Got you. Yeah. You know, something that we may need to explore if the serve capacity has come to the issue that threatens the downtown or as perhaps commissioned some sort of study to evaluate what's who are all talking to you there. So I don't think there was a magic. It was just wondering if you had an idea of what he was planning. The pyramid is a different watershed. So I did hear him talking about it at one of the meetings. But I didn't talk to him about it. Sorry. I just couldn't. Thank you about it. Sorry. I just couldn't. No. Thank you very much. Developed more proactive communication strategy. What we decided was to use existing resources to efficiently improve external communications and the Thavels and the Thessalon satisfaction we consider increasing resources, i.e. adding position in the next budget cycle. So the little we decided to do was make sure IE mail this, the sunshine list was up to date, and then also at the same time, we build a quad post, just to close this time, really good job with that, and that is better for a post when it issue work on future posts. And then I finally complete the citizen survey by December 31, 2022. I think I'll know about the cement deadline a little bit. So we'll get there to allow a little bit more time for Council feedback. We'll likely won't be that. And now fitting the Council've got to change this here with a virtual meeting capabilities. And that is once again, we'll get that call. Ensuring and encouraging completion of critical state and intersection improvements. So for P very, we're going to keep the project room for, but not over-comment local resources for a state project. And for older, our continued monitoring is going to be a schedule. So as we all know, for powerful complaints, we're moving towards turning over the project to NCDOT, working on the treasurer's all all the Duke. Duke utility and voice issue and continue to work through that as well as well. Once that's done, go ahead first and get that and look over and done. There are many more of that profit. But right now, borrowing any material shortages, DOT and just f dates a lot of data, waits for an early summer. And all over the road were continuing to provide updates to the board. I believe the estimated light day is 2024. There's a research to be correct with there. Did you say a recent update though that they were already acquiring the property? So you've led a property. Sorry. No, no. So you've led a property. You're actually, that's construction. That's not acquisition. Yeah. You're exactly right, students. Typically, by the time you've led the property, meaning going in, you're going in, you're going in, you're going in, you're going in, you're going in, you're going in, you're going in, you're going in, you're going in, you're going in, That's construction. That's not acquisition. Yeah, yours after I'd student. So typically by the time you've let the property be going out a bit, it's designed, all the right of ways been acquired, and everything's ready. We just need a contractor to give us a good bid and we'll reward it and the contractor. And that is it for those temperate parties. Thank you for your time. I know it's like I'm submitted the balance scorecard results for all these quite extensive. Happy to go through that, but I want to be respectful of your time. of your government, of your energy like, so I can further aboard how you want to proceed there. Sounds good to me? If we haven't already read it. You're going to want to know the time. If anybody has any questions, happy to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you. You want to stay up there? I'm happy to. For the next one. The next item on the agenda is the town manager amended employment discussion. Is it the same as what we talked about last time? Yes it is. I'm going to prove the amended town manager contract. Second. All in favor? Aye. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. That's me, nameless. Thank you, Alex. Yes, thank you. I appreciate the boards for work. And I also, I was tough. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. I'm getting a counseling group. I do want to say this, and I really mean this, the total staff. I feel like the confidence in the staff. A lot of the things I set up here and talk to you about, it's people behind the scenes making it happen. So I want to recognize them. And also having a really good board of functions as well as the council's message for staff. Thank you. Thank you. Can you pay them how much did you find them? Not enough. That's right. That's right.