Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great and let everybody have a sacred home. Amen. I'd like to thank you for the light of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, the individual liberty and justice for all. I'll call this meeting to order. And we'll begin with a couple of comments and I have just one Terry Williams. I'm up in the wooden path. Name, address. Terry Williams, 5034, Lohan Linda Lane, Charlotte. Appreciate the time to address the Council this evening. Just been watching the NCDOT auto wild and we're heavily vested in that corridor. Just want to share a few thoughts. I did send an email, but you had a chance to read it, so I'll be very brief. Just doing well, I'll go through that. When I was listening last week, a couple weeks ago, I'm a little concerned that the current traffic state in the NCDOT is using may not reflect the current restrictions that we have on the development on the quarter and there might not be as much traffic generated from the future development as was anticipated. House heavily involved when we were going through the UDO rewrite and all the text amendments and then when they were doing the traffic study and a lot of that stuff was all happening at the same time and it be worth just a second look to double check and make sure that what we have in there as far as trick generation is the most accurate counts we can have for what the town now expects to have on the corridor. Again, the council division has changed, a small area of planes changed. I think some of that was taken into account. But then there was some text amendments to reduce the density of apartments and townhomes. And then further, there was some additional uses for both apartments, townhomes, drive-throughs, convenience stores. Very familiar with how that goes directly in fact, in a property and restricted development rights, which again will reduce trip generation. As everyone's probably aware, there's currently no sewer capacity in the basin. Even when sewer capacity does come back in a couple of years, it's going to be challenging for Union County Code Quartz to commit to serve all the Beckham Road County portion. It's in that corridor. And again, that's going to be another constraint on the amount of development that can happen on the corridor. Just to remind everyone, since the farm is this kind of down the look through the development agreement to 4.9-1 road all the way down to Stevensville, not through Stevensville. And if there were a way to separate, I heard the recent proposal of taking the money over to Lawyer's Road. If there were a way to leave the money at the interchange, let the interchange improve to get the traffic off and in. And then we'll probably already have in advance because our project will come before in CTOTs before laying to let the traffic go down to Steven's mill. It's starting to feel like there's just a good public portion, private portion that you come together and fix the problems out there. And we do have our consultant, our traffic engineers, more willing to help and reduce studies and anything we can do to assist the town. We're all in favor of a nice boarding section that moves a lot of traffic through this best of the day. And that's all I have up here. That's how this question is going to end. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. All I have is on the list. So with that, we'll move on to presentations and units. Would you like to introduce your guests? Yeah. Our guests. Thanks. Thank you. Oh, thank you. All right, so I won't talk too much about what's going on. I'm just kind of going to give you all the back. So where he comes up and makes his feel. But so what basically is going on is we have someone here that is from Union County. He goes to Cadet. If y'all are familiar with that. So crazy. But he is a boy scout right now. He's looking to continue and get his equal scout. He actually has a proposed project to go on in one of our parks. I think it's really awesome that he kind of chose us. He's kind of told us that he had a little bit of a hard time finding somewhere and we actually have an equal scout full-time round-bridge way. If y'all know him, he is an equal scout and did a project at Sun Valley High School. So I thought this would just be a perfect place and opportunity for us to hand me a back to his community and we'd really highlight somebody that lives in Union County that's close to home. So if you'd like to come up and interview himself, I'll let him talk a little bit more about the project. Thank you. Hi, I'm Jacob Mitchell and I'm terrified right now. Give me a minute to remember what I'm supposed to be saying. You know what? We've all been there. Scared to death at the podium. It's no big deal. So we're just as scared as you are, truth is. Because it's where you recorded recorded the camera's pointed us. Oh, yeah, forgot. Yeah, no problem. You're good. So my project would be to build benches for Blair Mill Park. This is what I have as an image of. The playground part of the park. I don't have any of the Frisbee golf, but I'd like to put at least one of the three benches I plan on building near the playground. One off of the Frisbee golf course, and the third one, I have no idea where I'm supposed to be putting it yet. And... Wherever you must tell to me. Yes. We'll work on that. So, I have already submitted the project for approval by the Boy Scout Council. We're still waiting for that to get approved. Yeah, so this is similar to what the benches I would like to build are where it is a Basically flat platform and then the back part but this image has four legs on it And I more just wanted to have two legs that are in the middle of the back of the bench If you can't tell I made this in Google Drive, so it's not very good. Is that your mother? Coach. So the benches I'm going to build them out of pressure-created wood with the legs being two four by four posts that would be down 18 inches into the ground and have them in concrete. And I would like to start work on the weekend of the 29th and 30th. That's all I have on my no card. If you all have any questions about it? I'll give it a second. Probably about two or three work days at most. So mid December, later, so we don't? Mid December to late is time to be done by mid November. Oh. October you're starting now. Yes. So this is a larger question because we were chatting beforehand. Now, at the last, the parks are direct meeting and we talked about putting kind of pretty out. This is where the plotter came in. Kind of printing the plot out and kind of, where should these benches go? And so, is that something we're still looking to do? Something tomorrow? Yeah, that's what we'll be doing tomorrow. Okay. And so, I'm happy. All right, I mean, so yeah. Great. Thank you all for your time, you know. Any other questions? I would like to say something. Jacob, you mentioned you were terrifying. You were terrified to be up there speaking. I think that's natural. Public speaking, each time becomes a little less and less terrifying. I do want to say, and what I've seen from you, I've been very impressed. I think whether you believe they're not, you're a natural public speaker. You got up there, and they tell, they say the first thing you should do is tell the joke, you did it, everybody was laughing. You really are a natural and competent public speaker, and I'm excited to see what your future goes. Thank you. Thank you, Jacob. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next up, presentation by a couple of boarded count, board of head and members. Which one of you guys wants to go first? We're going to go, Jayden. Haven't done this before. Last time I did it, I had to do it all by myself. No, you have to do this one. I don't have one reading glasses. You can read it up forward. Yeah, I can get this. You record this? Yeah, it's possible. I'll try to speak in this thing. Bobby usually has never been my problem. Thank you for having us here. I had a long ways to go to get here. I'm down to the other end of the street. It's a pleasure to be recording this my first time in your new meeting chambers. It's a very beautiful facility. It's the first time you've ever been on that side of the VS. That's right. There you sit on this side. Way back when before all this gray sat in. Thank you for not taking my picture off the wall there. I might take a look at that one. Yeah, I know about the air. I know about the air. I'm not sure. Yeah. Also a cash parent. I'd like to talk to you a little bit about the upcoming election. We have a bond referendum for UCPS on the ballot November 8th and I'd like to take a moment to give a little history and then go through the two projects that are on the bond. Next slide please sir. Backstarting in 2000 to cope with the growth, particularly on the western part of the county, is David good attest, we went through major bond campaigns and construction. Marvin, Cutherson, elementary schools, including finally, Staling's elementary, and that was to mainly cope with the growth that exploded in Union County. In 2016, we had a major turn in that now we're in a process of what I call backfill. We're coming back after some of our older, oldest facilities and bringing them up to the same quality that our newer schools built on the West Side currently enjoy. And 2016 was a major upfit, not a complete change or new school, but a major major upfit in Sun Valley High School, New Athletic Facilities, cafeteria, classrooms, parking, changing of the reconfiguring the whole school. So that was the start of a ten-year plan that the Board of Education is devised to address these older schools. And on the ballot for November 8th, is the total replacement of Forest Hills High School down in the Winged Marshville area right off the Toe Way. I have to catch myself I don't call it the bypass it's a Toe Way. Forest Hills High School was originally built around 1960. If you've ever been inside the facility it It's showing its age. Parking is inadequate. Ventilation is not up to standards. Of course it was not built with Wi-Fi or smart boards or other technology in mind back in those days. So we have already acquired the land behind the school and with this bond campaign of successful we will actually do a full replacement of Forest Hills High School. Then the next phase on down the road hopefully the next bond campaign will be total refurbishment of the existing Forest Hills High School so we can move the middle school currently in Marshville, East Union, Middle into the refurbished Old Forest Hills High School. Our plan is developed in various steps that build on each other so that an interruption in one of them would mean post-bombing on a lot of different projects. The Forest Hills High School is not cheap. Billion new high school these days, we've done our best to factor in the cost increases we've seen. We have an excellent facility staff and they keep up with what's ongoing in the marketplace. The other project included in this bond campaign is the total upfit of East Elementary School, which is a located in Monroe off of Franklin Street. That school, the oldest portion of it was actually built in 1952. Harry Truman was president. It was added on New cafeteria in the, what was it, Matt? Late teens? 2016, 2018? No, I was fulfilled that. It was like 2008 or something like that, before my time. Anyway, what we're proposing with East Elementary because it is one of our oldest elementary schools is to basically demolish the older front portion, auditorium classrooms, etc. But retain the new cafeteria area and build back a new school going from the new cafeteria back. So we're not going to demolish the part of the school that's the newest part, the cafeteria area. But yet build new classrooms, offices, auditorium, exeggiumnasium, etc. So that we can bring that up to snuff. And the plan is to build it and the capacity to move our preschool over to that campus. So it's closer to the actual parents that are using it in that area. So that is included in the projects in this bond that will be on about November 8th. It's a yes or no vote. There were, we applied for other projects to be included, but they didn't make a cut, and that's another story. So these are the two schools that we proposed. Probably we had actual construction time, new high school, school take four years. But we had, we're given the funds ahead of time to actually do the planning and design work. So that's helped us get a little jumpstart. Our bond campaign is when successful not be if. So that's basically all I had for the actual presentation, but I would welcome your questions. Just what we're, I apologize, but my son graduated, so I haven't been following the schools as much. So what are kind of just the bullet points of the bonds being requested? Two bullet points. We're replacing two of our own to schools. I was talking money-wise and money-wise? Well, here's the you know as far as what it's gonna cost the taxpayers. Yes. Okay. We're looking at a total of where's the total? Okay, we're looking at a total of, where's the total? Figs are 134. 134 million. Now, in current tax dollars, the way the county currently figures their tax rate, you're looking at a little less than three and a half cents. Now, I don't say that if this passes, it's going to cause a 3.5 cent tax increase because I don't control the county budget. I don't know what their projections will be for tax revenues next year. I don't know what their expenses are, what they will do with their budget. So I'm not saying that if this passes your taxes are going to go up 3.5 cents, the debt service required these are 20 year bonds, your issue would be approximately 3.4 cents. Is that another question? Anything else? I'll come over to you again to meet the members more. Yeah. No, this slide is a breakdown of the future projects we have planned. Like I was saying, this doesn't pass. We'll do our bench and bounce. We're going to part with Hoppe, my future. We're going to part with Hop in my future. We eventually will even come back around to some value again and totally replace the older hallways and classrooms that were not upfit in the current of the last 2016. So by the time this whole program is done, you will have an entirely new Sun Valley, New Monroe High School, Newt. We will take the newer parts of Piedmont and retained it. There are additions to Porta Ridge, Marvin Ridge, that's utilizing some field house and physical plant upgrades. And a totally new park would, and East Union, East Union metal that I mentioned that is, of course, hinges. Please. Yeah, just one more question. Just a little bit. Yeah, just one more question. Just, is it good? I mean, obviously, there was always discussion about capacity. All of these at 99% capacity, and everything. So, I mean, does this address any capacity issues? Frankly, we do not have capacity issues at four stills high school. It's one of our smaller, small high schools, not counting Canada because that's specialty. But there's, we do, through a demographer that we've utilized for our last read alignment, to forecast what projects we know of and what enrollment we project out five, seven years. And it's not projected that there will be a capacity issue, although the new school will have higher capacity than the current school. East Union, that's in an older part of Monroe, so that's not really going to, it's not really impacting in a high-growth area, if you will, so that enrollment is pretty stable. Is that hell? Now, Parkwood and some of these other areas are different stories. And the capacity has to do with the law's house cap to Area Soundhouse, which is not making enough. I was asked a question. I couldn't remember the answer. How many buses do we run every day? How many buses? A couple hundred. So I can't remember. So, I took 298 to one point. We brought down some of that to five out of it. Two foot British. Four foot British. That's all you need. How's the transportation bill in work. Great. That was a dream. All our dream was back when I was on. I've been done. My dad was kind of a section director for a long time. Because I was one of the new employees. How do you do maintenance out in the park? Yeah. He's referencing the new transportation center that was part of the 2016 bond. We had a facility that was built by the 1980 when the school system, well, when it was still county and city, back in those days there were separate Kansas City Monroe City schools and Union County schools. They didn't merge to the early 90s. And that bus garage was built back in those days to service, you know, a tenth of the buses that we have now. And so these guys were literally, these buses are out sitting out in the parking lot and these guys are underneath doing work to them and what have you. So as part of the 2016 bond, we built a new transportation center where all the transportation employees that, you know, take the phone calls when the bus drivers are sick or you know Johnny missed the bus or the bus didn't come and all that kind of thing and maintenance and service work. We just did we get delivery what do you say two of those natural gas natural gas buses so we two more coming through grants so we even have a natural gas repealing station out there now. A wash deck and full repair. So it's a beautiful facility out there. Off-rock and river road. Anything else? Any other UCPS? Other questions? You guys might happen very quickly. Does that sound bad, though? Yeah, that's no terrible. I'm afraid to get into my comfortable. All right. Appreciate you guys coming out. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Thank you. All right. That's the way you are. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Thanks, Dr. Consent Agenda, only Agenda. But we're not making any presentations, so I'll take in, make a move. Motion to approve consent agenda has been written. Second. Well, in favor, I have a report from us council members. I'll lead off. Good this way. I have nice conversation Alex and I have a very nice conversation with the Google Fiber folks, finally. They apologize for their long delay but it takes out extremely interesting becoming the stallings as the gateway to the rest of Union County. They just finished doing a Matthews build out and we are the next closest office to the way across the Lake Fire and Down the Road connecting there. So we would like to move forward and see where we go from there. It's not done by any of, but it is strong interest on their part and I'm pretty sure strong interest on our part. The preliminary talk I didn't hear anything negative or why we do not want Google fiber to access or have access to that. So that was good. What's your up, Stephen? Actually don't have anything to report today. What's your real steam? Actually don't have anything to report today. I suppose I've missed it. Where do you know it's so good? Oh yay! That was a happy work. We're trying. I was just wondering. I have nothing. How am I manager in departments? Great, thank you Mayor for attending. You're not deaf or good evening there, everyone, I should say. The only thing I like to report is our parks department has been hard at work. I get ready for Staling's best, so I want to thank you, this and public works and everybody who's been supporting those efforts. I'm excited they really worked hard and continued to work hard in getting the Stownings Park really upgrading up the stuff. I know that's something we've talked about is making sure that our parks are really have a heightened sense of appearance, which is a respect and equality for our community. So I'm excited about Stownings' best coming up on the 22nd and hope you all can make it. Thank you. Any other departments? All right. I'd just like to say thanks to the staff again. The sidewalk over here that's been busted on Monroe Road was fixed this week. And I know the town staff has been pressing, beating, yelling for the last year to get fixed so I appreciate that. And then Cowing and I know it's working on the gas station getting a little bit better with the new owners and so there we something we repainted the roof and did some cleanup over there so I know that the it's been a while there but our town board and has actually come through it. People have said it was really nice other than that. So I just appreciate it. Okay. The board going on. Good. All right, next up, gender approval. I'd like to add one thing, just to add all this name. Um, it'd be quick. Really quick? Really quick. And what's to it next? Okay. Uh, 3B. You want to make wealth. Any other comments on the agenda? How does the Councilor go on the agenda? I move that we approve the agenda's proposed with the additional item 3D. All in favor? Aye. All right, 3D. I would just like to ask the kid was okay with the council that we requested the staff to look into having Columbus Day as a town holiday. You may have any concerns about that. I don't have any concerns with having it. But are we looking at it? You need to once they do the research, but bring it back and find out why they are not forward. But I'll make a motion to direct staff to look into adding Columbus Day as a official town holiday. Columbus such. I'm not that woke. I'm just a day off. Not really woke. It's just to follow. What it is now? Yeah. Whatever it is, I just, I think it impacts business with the council. So that's all I'm saying. That's fine. So we're voting to ask that to look at it. Looking at the fire. Right. OK. All in favor? Oh, wait. Is there a motion? There was a motion. Yes. It's not second. All in favor? Hi. All in. Mayor Pretton, a clear point question would be sufficient for us to, during our organizational meeting in December, I believe, to bring this part of the proposal that it hasn't had. Perfect. That works. Thank you. This is not over. Rush. Yeah. We have another year to go. Exactly. One year. Figure. Exactly. We're here to figure that out. Next up, NCD or Fee, I don't want a project. Are you ready? You're like, you're always ready, right? I'm, sometimes, yeah. And you probably have no problem finding this list. Well, you all, you know, you're going to work around. Yeah, since you're just here, I'm, I'm pretty used to come down here now Twice in a row, and we don't buy There's another I didn't realize that. Sorry. No, that was one. Maybe. Don't be. Put it on there or something. Do you want to do it on there? No. Is it a last week? All I know is that they have a month and a half. So, mind your hands please. Yeah. That was the one. I don't know if it opened. But you can go ahead and start it. Yeah, I'll explain. That So thanks again for having me down. Again, Brett and Mike, and CZU team, and the vision ten is here. I'm here to continue on our conversations. We had in Flask House meeting to talk to you all about the IWO road project. What our options are moving forward. Thank you, sir. And so, if y'all remember, for I know maybe some of y'all are not sure, but we've had been working with the channel for quite some time, trying to figure out what the right approach to the IWO road project was, really had to come to a conclusion, but we needed to make a decision in order to meet our constraints on our timelines. So that's how this conversation got started. We'll go back through just, you know, what we'll cover in the presentation is where we've been in the recent past, some recent past, talk about a possible swap option for the Idle Wild Pribe to exchange it for another couple of projects that exist nearby that are in our STIP program and then just simply to sum it up, it's a couple of just basic choices, although understand that there's quite a bit of a lot of you to their choice. So I'm not trying to oversimplify it, but just try to present something clear and concise for consideration. And then, as always, we'll have time for questions. The bulk of presentation will probably be full of people who are talking full of the people we're talking through, what the projects we have that are at play, what they own, and what they might look like. So, at least since 2017, we've been talking with the town, trying to establish what the desired outcome is for the collective group. You've heard me say before a few years from the last presentation that NCDOT needs to design projects that will accommodate future years traffic growth. So, 2040, 2045, whatever the horizon here is for our project, that's the target traffic volume that we're shooting for. So we had determined that a six-line cross section was made on how to law road between I-485 and Steve's mill road and then an interchange design called a DGI would be in place at 485 and then an innovative intersection of Steve and Smith and I've got some exhibits that will show you again what that looks like. So we were previously unable to get the consent in the town. We understand that there's conflicting interest there, between trying to move cars and trying to develop some sense of place that many small towns are seeking. So to this point, we had delayed the project in the draft step. We had pushed it a little farther out, simply to buy time, simply to allow folks time to think about it. And we now have the project moving back into our funded side of the program. And so we need to make a decision on what we're designing so we can get forward and move forward and meet the, try to meet the fiscal year of, uh, 2028 construction timeline because there's a lot to do between now and actually, uh, the one workout event, with terms of design and by the way, I was issued a utility notification for those little things. Again, I was here, um, on the 26, um, we were asking then for some guidance, some decision, um, and actually get asked for work by the end of the year. But I think we're hitting near the end of the meeting, maybe even after I was out of the room, I understand there was a request for us to consider a possible project swap. So we looked into that very quickly. We are at a stage right now where we have the ability to swap projects only because of our step being overprogrammed recently and certain projects maybe not meaning being prioritized and the water they were before or some local priority was meant so we have this very unique opportunity to swap projects that one that closes on October 28th for NCBUT here in this area. We have to complete our step and have all projects identified so that all these other items such as air quality conformity work can take place so that an CDOT for transportation can approve it and then so FHWA can approve it. So there's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes to have that skip document ready for approval, which is why we were forced into this very narrow window to potentially consider a project swap. So what we looked at was potentially exchanging the large road interchange project, which is just an expansion of large road between, just between Stevens-Millian or TKS, so it's a very short project, if you will, primarily an interchange improvement project. In order to potentially meet this October 28th deadline, we snuck into the CRTPOs TTC schedule. I presented that there on the 6th to have that TCC technically improve the SWACC pending this Council's approval and actually pending Matthew's Town Council approval tonight as well. So, depending upon the vote tonight, if there's a vote tonight, that would, we would then be able to take this forward to the MPO meeting later on this month where it could be formally approved or not by that point. So just a quick recap again. This is the U4NR 13 project. That is the AutoL Red project. I know it's hard to see on here, but this is the currently contemplated design at the interchange at 45 bits of divergent diamond interchange again. There's a couple around here We had some of the first in the state one is at NC 73 and I did five in Cabarras County Another one is at West Katapa Avenue and I said In Maconborough County And so And you'll see in this concept, there's not much improvements to the west of 45. However, at one time, we did have a scope in that project, which is all in the limits of the town of Matthews, that would have included a realignment of Stalin's road and a roundabout here. And I've got an exhibit that I want to show you at what that would look like because as a part of this, we're trying to salvage all the transportation improvements we can and keep our money here locally as opposed to it maybe being absorbed somewhere else should the project go away. So we're going to propose the segment, this project potentially, and bring it back, bring that Western most improvement back. I'll show you on the next screen here after this one. This shows the intersection down at Steve's Mill. Again, we're going to be carrying six lanes from I-45 down at Steve's Mill. And then we're proposing a specialized intersection design at Steve's Mill. It's called a Michigan U-turn. That's a situation where vehicles are allowed to go straight through the intersection, but no left turn from the allowed and order to make left turns. You would need to travel to one of these U-turn bolts, I had a very hard to see because it's a small, limited time apologize. But you would travel down to a U-turn bolt, make a U-turn in a signal and then proceed back to your destination. What's here of that, Mindy? And these conversations we have with really citizens, town councils, and light most folks, there's somewhat taken back by these innovative designs. It's not something that it's easily accepted by the public, we've found. Because to some, it's counterintuitive. Why would you have had me turn and write, and so I can go left? But the reality of it is the traffic volumes are such that the intersection can't operate with, or the traffic volumes will be such that it will not be able to operate efficiently enough to process the traffic at a minimum standard in the design here. So these designs are coming up in many of our projects. You know as we project traffic volumes out for future years, we're seeing again and again that conventional intersections simply will not process the traffic volumes that our growing area is bringing to us. And so if we keep doing the same things, we keep building what we call full movement signals where you can turn any direction from an intersection. You would see failure and gridlock in the future. And that's not really being a good steward of public funds because it's our jobs as transportation professionals deliver projects that meet that future demand. So that's a kind of a quick plug for innovative intersections like the one we're proposing there. So back to the western side of the U4913 project. Again, this was an original design or concept in the original public meeting maps where you can see Stalin's web would be a real line it looks right around about what been proposed here. But a few years ago we were doing our best to try to shave calls from all of our projects through value assessment and value engineering work. And we decided to pull this side of the project out. And simply just go with just the interchange and not do this realignment work. I would say that this is a better option for us, a little bit more expensive, but still it's a better option. And if the project is being considered for a swap, there would be enough funding left to leave this portion of the project alone, and we could segment the project in the step, which would require your approval, which would require the CRTPS Board approval. So there's a lot of things moving around at one time for this to be a success, but this is certainly something that we would want to make part of the program if it does go down this path. Really, it either way to bring back this piece of the project. And that's something that's neat since the last time we came in. What we would propose to do would be exchange that project, the AutoL Project for U-6170, which is the Lawyers Road Interchange Project that I described to you a moment ago. This is a high level concept design. It doesn't have as many vivid colors as the previous renderings you've seen, but essentially it would be to make improvements at the interchange carrying those down to the Stevens Mill which is just off the screen here. We do believe right now that that's a four lane design but this is preliminary. It's been a while since the traffic analysis work was done so we're going to have to go back and look at that one more time to verify that this is in fact what the improvement would need to look like here. And that would require coordination with you guys potentially to heal other effective municipalities. So we're trading that out for that project and there's also enough money to trade out. And this is just the Stephen's Mill intersection you can see here. And again, conceptual nature, this is not the design. We've got to go back and verify what works and what won't. But the other project that we're been proposed to swap in would be one of the U2509 segments, U2509, and there is independent boulevard improvement. It's a series of projects that exist between I27 and I45. There's unfunded pieces of that project on parallel routes along independent boulevard. Some of those parallel routes are part of the interchanges. As you can see here, this segment all in yellow, for instance, an ampoule has a parallel route that's integral to the interchange itself that to be constructed, which is funded. So some of these pieces like this got funded. Segment's like C9 that you see right here, didn't work funded, weren't able to be included in the funded sound program. This segment over here, C12, again, I funded There's other pieces up here C7 that didn't get funded so In coordination with the town of Matthews because they're in fact a municipality by the swap We would be proposing the swap in this segment C9 as well, which is essentially from Sardis to San New area as well, which is essentially from sardis to sand and new area. So this is what the swap looks like, just in graphic form. We would say the E4-9-13B project, that would be the segment version of the project from the interchange out to steam and is mill, removing it from the strip, or at least the funded segment of the strip that is. And swapping in the Lager's road project and the U-2509 segment, which is EA, it would also have to be segmented there and improved by the board at the NPA. That would allow us to keep that proposed A segment intact and stand on schedule as we currently have right now for the whole project. So here's the quick summary. Again we're just talking about a swap option if that's something that you want to consider where we would swap in the lawyers wrote in the interview this one partway project and swap out the interchange and to the east segment of Out-of-Out rate. And you see there this would require segmentation approval and the swap would have to be approved by CRTBF. In that case, that segment again would become unfunded on our wild. The other option, move forward. Would we, would we get to keep, if we swap, we do or don't get to keep that stalling throat? Yeah, if you swap the plane right now would be to segment the out of wild road probably, so the stalling throat, realignment, and that little bit of work can move forward. Yes. Correct. David, if we swap. Sorry. Did you want to sit on the phone? Cool. Here it is. If we, you said that, you weren sure what water's road would look like. Are you suggesting that it might be more than four lanes or more than four in turn? So it could be some combination of things. It could be, you know, where it stood, we think it's within the threshold of a four lane road lane. Whether or not all the intersections could remain full movement or conventional design, could handle it. That might be the next step. You know I really wanted to reiterate that that's another finalized design. What it means is a concept and we still have to do updated traffic analysis to determine what laneage would be needed. Will we have the opportunity to, what I don't want is for us to swap one six-lane project for another six-lane. I understand about that. If your traffic numbers come back and say no, it's got to be six lanes just like the old one. We also have some saying that at that point, or we say it tonight tonight we're going to take whatever you guys decide. So now we would always come back to you, you know, we always come back to the local municipality and coordinate that because obviously you guys have jurisdiction here, you have great yellow influence here and we're trying to be a good partner. You know, just from my gut, I don't think it's a six-lane section, but I can't guarantee that. And I can't guarantee that that concept you saw is going to stick because it's been a number of years since that work was done. You had a lot of such important works. I don't have a search for numbers. Well, I think 47 is a problem. Yeah. It's an estimate at this point. But probably. And we would, if it came back as a six-lane, you would present it, but we'd say, there, there. That's right. We could be harder to say, man. Well, that's the issue we would run into could be the same six scenario, right? If it's not something you want yet, the traffic analysis says we need it to accommodate the traffic to provide that minimum level of service in the design here. That's going to be true with any project. This just shows what we could do today based on traffic numbers that were generated a few years ago. This project has been sitting on a shelf for a while. First of all, thanks for coming back again. This is probably not where you want to be on the Monday night and probably you could be on the day off to it. No, no, no. But I think, correct me if I'm wrong, the last time you were here you mentioned that the reason why Ida Wilde was, it was six lanes, was to get traffic off of 485 though. The end goal was, it's better to get the traffic off 45, 64, 45 to keep moving even if they're maybe sitting there and waiting to make a right-of-the-left. Is that correct? Well, in part that is correct. I mean, the volumes that we project for a segment of Redway, you know, it's based on some means it's based on a model that's created, a transportation model that's created that gives us information on future volumes. And so if you project those volumes out and it requires six lanes of the interchange, for example, you've got to have somewhere to put those vehicles and occupy them to six lanes. If that's two lanes turning off of 485 and one coming through one out of one, you just have to have somewhere for those cars to get. So that segment is necessary simply to process traffic in the energy. The volume is on out of one itself, or a combination combination of computer traffic, but one, you know, especially one to forty-five. I mean that's a significant attraction if you will for drivers. So it all plays together, but at the end of the day the traffic volumes projected is what's driving the proposed design. And I guess that's kind of where I'm going is, if one I would hate for us to be in a position where I'd allow needs in, because people are getting off, forgot to see where just creating a massive bill, like 45, but to that, if you're also saying like you're just trying to get vehicles off the road when you go from one area where you're saying we need six lanes down the next exit to saying well, for sufficient, the numbers don't add up because you're saying here we need six down here. Well, it's got a higher projected back in the volume. So it's not going to knock up traffic. It went from six to four. So is that not going to be super congested when that change happened? From six to four. So it's actually worse than what you just said. It would eventually go from six to two. By the time we got through Stamins Mill. Those are going to be great too. to two. By the time we got through Stamins Mill. Those of you that we were interested to? That's what I was saying. So weird stuff. Weird stuff happened. So it happens. It happens at St. Louis Mill, but it would transition through that intersection to sort of take for down. Right, right, right, the trick is. To take for down. Right. These ones in it. See you. Yes, sir. I just want to have five conversations with two people. Okay, bring it up. Is it right to where the church is? Is that where it would go from six to four? Yes. No, four. And then two. Where does it go from four to two? May I approach him and Brian, I do. We do have a copy of the plan where we could blow it up a little bit larger. That might be helpful. Yeah, because I have difficulty getting this thing quite high. In the meantime, just to see what we're talking about. Just what I was talking about for Brad a little bit before it seems that from a legal standpoint, but no, Brad. Brad. It's that it seems like from a legal standpoint, you have to get the car in order for it to be an interstate. You cannot allow cars to back up onto the interstate on a regular basis. And all I was saying with Graham is that he'd be in a lawyer, he may be able to read that and get more out of it than I did because it was a lot of lead and lead in it. So that's all I was saying. And I'm not sure what document you were referencing, but that was the deposit of the transportation for the United States. Okay. So, and you know, the State Department's transportation now be elevated to the authority to manage, launch, or maintain the interstate system. And FHWA agreement. And so, but in practice, even though I can't cite that law, I'll tell you exactly what it says. In practice, if we've got a situation where we've got cards backing up on the interstate, that is a major safety issue. So we're going to be pursuing some type of relief foul, no matter what the case. And, you know, unfortunately, there's not always an easy fix. It could mean just a situation where if you had no project to make a previous week, you may just have to alter signal timing to the point where you're giving all the time with the interstate ramps and the side street just stays good luck. That only works to a point because you have to have some kind of balance. But that for example might be what we would do in the absence of human logic. Do you have that in your state of mind? Have what? Because I have seen that in California and I've watched you till. And it's just that. It's not a... It's kind of neat. That's not it. If you were to try to, I just, it's kind of neat, like they have for moving on. So like, it's, red meters. Yeah. And they let you, they tell you if you're getting a lot of them. Oh, yes. So that's just, I'm going to go on the last time. And we have contemplated a red meter project. That's it. Really it was contemplated for South Portward and could eventually come back as a treatment. But that's a way to meter traffic that enters the flow of traffic on the interstate cell. So not so much getting cars off, but rather getting them off. Now is this curious what we have there in the state? I'm not sure if we have rent meters, but again I know it was at one time in a scope of a project for 77, but 77th I'm looking for discussion. We don't want to get into it, I'm gonna take up all of it. So you're saying that the fact that I'm interested is projected to happen. We haven't seen this. Yeah, I think it could happen. And I think, I mean, I've heard, and I'm in an elderly, I don't live in this area, but certainly I've heard and I'm in Annagerly, I don't live in this area, but certainly I've heard recently that that backup has a curve. So that's something that we need to investigate, maybe monitor. But it's all wrapped up in what happens with this project, right? If this project moves forward, I feel confident that we've got a solution of a preventile. Are they bringing the construction of board? And then this is an aside, but are they bringing the construction that's currently after the authority project, the wide-length, is after eventually come down to our exit? So right now, there's not a funded project for that. There are projects that are being evaluated in a feasibility level. So does that stop at John Street, that exit? Right now, it stops at the USM boiling in school. OK. That's the overall project limits. OK. No. What does it look like? This is the right. And it is. And you're absolutely right. There's no doubt it's rushed. And I feel terrible about the rushed nature only for the swap. This swap situation has got a separate constraint. This guy is in this corner. My first proposal was to just simply come down and ask you guys, do you want us to move forward with this project? If not, would you work with to move forward with this project? If not, would you work with the MDO to remove it? Because even at that time, I wasn't viewing it as a project that was eligible for a swap because it had nothing to do really with this over-programming and the stiff issue. But after I thought about it, I couldn't figure out a reason to say no. And in the effort of just trying to find some mutually agreeable solution, we figure out a way where we think it could work, but certainly would take your improvement. Alex, can I ask you a quick question? Sure. So with Stinson Barnes coming, what were before this, I'm sorry, I wasn't part of this conversation back when it happened, I wasn't on the board. So with Stinson Farms were they allocating some budget to widen the road or how was that going to happen to accommodate all that traffic. So would they still cover this cost? I'm just asking valid questions so I can make a decision here. Sure sure no, I appreciate that. So, stents and farms, that development had to do a TIA, transportation and fact analysis. And that TIA identified a list of mitigation measures, improvements that we need to do as part of that project. And so, typically, Mr. Canite can correct me where I'm wrong, but I believe the way it works is that the state has a fun project and there's a requirement of the developer to do something. A lot of times it's just kind of like a first in line type situation where whoever does it first, you know, it leaves the other one in the obligation. It's not always like that. Sometimes there's, it gets more complicated, sometimes there agreement. But if you have a developer that has a requirement to put something in, and there's a step project that puts it in ahead of time, and the developers kind of relieved of that requirement. That can be the case and a lot of us got to do with time and you make it come right down to, you know, what is that development going to get it first? You know, does it mean any particular ordinance requirements of the local government? And, you know, in this case, if we were moving forward with this project and we felt like we were going to be going to be in construction in this school year 28 and again, we're pressed for time to make that happen at this point. I'm not sure when this development would this plan to occur or when the improvements would be planned to occur. But I don't like to see anybody's money wasted but I'm private or otherwise. So, you know, a four-lane out of one-while would be consumed by a six-way out-of-while. It would make no sense to me to for someone to commit that kind of time or even ever. Unless there was some reasonable period of time that you could see this improvements last, you know, some number of years maybe, but that's a decision and I think we could make collectively Alex if we could give it that point. So they had that they put a number on how many lanes it would be when they proposed since the sponsor has that something that another traffic analysis would have to be done at the time of construction? Yeah, there are mitigation measures identified for that. We'll have to be a four-lane section. Okay. There will be some improvements to Steven's mill. The developer would have to be a part of the right way, we wouldn't be able to do that for them so that'd be a contingency. That's always a difficult process, we don't have a part of appeals case, and recently the kind of hitter government, state and local when it comes to condemnation in those situations. But the TIA showed generally a whirling cross-section and various improvements as a part of it. So obviously something's going to happen we got it. But I want that we do the swap now and we don't use this money to do I lost now, we'll eventually be done and you pace for that. And yeah. Right, because there's obviously a problem, like it's, but I don't know that six lanes is just so, I mean, that's just so, that's it. I think to summarize the situation, DOT, he's is beyond by the purpose of scoping the minimum requirements to build what they deem based on their analysis, the minimum threshold. And the town views that and says, hey, we think something else that we need to be done, it's certainly going to be problematic if nothing was done. But we believe that it was being closed too much. And the effect are the character and design, and which is a better and a bread disagree with me, if you disagree with that. So I think that's a general one. So not just what's going on here. That's right. Just one question. Yeah, right. Just one question. Just one? Yeah, well, I have plenty, but the other road, I noticed that all the dates are five years later. So is it, but yet, it looked like the data that Alex shared with us as far as the data analysis. It looks like idle while this effectively five years behind, and it's fairly straight. So if we didn't swap, if you're on an opinion, do you think that in the next five years it's gonna fall into a step? We need to fall into the school. What, what I mean, the problem there at idle, I problem there at Lawyers Road, I'm sorry. At the Lawyers Road, I mean, it looked like all the data points for five years later. So, I mean, the idea there is that, I mean, looking at that, the failure rates look to be comparable on Lawyer's Road as an idle wild looked five years ago. And it's in other words, it's basically following five years behind and it's going to be in the same failure rate. So from that data and the fact that you guys have been doing the analysis, I mean, is the idea that that is, that project is roughly five years behind, and would be, would eventually get stacked into the STIT projects? So it funded? It'd be difficult to give you a definitive entry in what? What I can tell you is that the STIT project is developed by projects that are submitted by the NPO, which is made up of, you know, look at the like officials and their staff for tech, those projects. And we also submit projects, and we do that in concert and strategically so we get our best projects that we can. But those projects have to compete for funding. So, you know, without knowing how that project was scored, I can't tell you for sure how, where, where an effort would land instead. You know, it'd be impossible for me to predict today. Now, what's happening right now is our next round of prioritization called spot prioritization is about to kick off. There's going to be new projects, some middle slots open. There's also going to be all these other projects, potentially the largest project dependent upon its previous category that would automatically come in and re-compete for all of these funds. And so it's a competitive process. I said that, you know, I talked with RETS team about this. My initial thinking was, well, it's already been prioritized, but surely it would be on the top again. And maybe it would, but there's two factors that we need to consider to. One, there might be new projects that are even more competitive than that. And two, there might not just be as much funding as there is in that. Well, the funds don't go as far, I think I've heard cost increases in the previous presentation and that's a big factor in what we're continuing. For idle while. Well for any project generally speaking, if our revenue streams don't change, which by the way they have changed recently, we have a little bit of new funds that came to this through General Symary. But, you know, an answer of any other revenue stream change, if we have a steady stream of revenue, yet the cost of projects keeps going up, that's simply just less projects that we can construct. Real quick, can you just study where these super streams are, are these Michigan, what do they call? So, yeah, the U-turn Volts, this is called a Michigan U-turn It's where you can get straight through an intersection. Can you zoom in on that? Do you travel? Yeah, all time but once you do it a little bit to be it, it doesn't bother me at all. I mean, and- You don't find this more congested? I think it. Since I drove it a lot when it was congested, I can tell you 100%. It moves. We've done some studies. I'm going to share with you this show, the travel times, especially on the main corridor are significantly improved. And it's an operational improvement. The side streets, especially, let's say on an all-time-of-the-day. If you've got a very busy time-of-day, AM or PM, you could actually improve the side street traffic time and navigate any intersection. But during the day, you could probably prove that it might take you a little bit longer to go and circle around, but certainly in the peaks, it's more efficient and it's actually quicker and it's certainly safer. That's one of the selling points of those intersections. It reduces the conflict points literally between vehicles, so it reduces crashes. It's easy to use instead of a riddle. Right there, it's a chit-foy and the waffle house. Yeah. I mean, it'll back all the way through to the entrail. It was bad. So I'm sorry I interrupted my own question, but what's, can you show me where that is? Yeah, so this is Stephen's Mill running north to south. This is Idle Railroad running west and east. There's a proposed U-turn bowl, a few hundred feet downstream with the intersection on either side, where you could go and make a U-turn at a signal, so your protected movement is there. And what this would do was would process the traffic through the idle on road especially at a much more efficient rate than a conventional intersection. And so you could turn right, you could you could not turn right at that line anymore. Yeah you could turn right, I probably know, you could turn right from either leg at the main intersection. It's the left term to administer every directive. So from your house, when you go to the airstead, you're going to put heavy bridge in the U.A. and go back. I'm realizing that you're coming from like, kidney bridge, other people with all the way down. Okay. Do go turn in on the eye locks, get to my house at Vickery. Yes, correct. It's correct. But if you come from your house to my house, you go straight out through. Correct. And the idea is that it operates more efficiently. It processes the traffic quicker, especially in the busy hours of the day, you can really get through this intersection quicker than if you had to sit there through a big What we call an e-page signal a multi multi-multi movement signal And it actually takes a much larger footprint to fit design and conditional intersection So we would definitely run into additional cost It looks like we're already skirted this church and certainly don't want impact. Any private property you want me to have to. But with the wire footprint, you got a substation over here that's kind of getting away. So are you taking land from sets of farms? Well, I'm not sure where Stits and Farms is. So is it right here on this Northwest quadrant or so far left by Close to 45. Yeah, okay, so anywhere along out of wild road is subject to And a need for that right way opposition. I can answer that one there taking property from since the farm but I believe that was part of the plan that project was Designed to accommodate land being taken. One more question. Yes, Steven? Is the traffic model that, I mean, has there been any updates to the traffic model say recently or is it still the one that was used within the original study? So the model that we ran is not the most current model that's being worked on right now, but it's the best information we've got today. But what I can say is that trends tell us that traffic blind protections are increasing with each year in most cases. If you might find some cases that are closer to deep urban centers where that's dissipated some, and maybe you could find certain cases where the volume weren't increasing, but trends generally say that we're getting more and more traffic. What I'm trying to determine here is that obviously we're making a decision based on the work that was done. The best I can tell it was done about five years ago. The out of one work? No, the lawyer. The lawyer.. Is that out of one work? No, not the lawyer. Right, the out of one work. OK, it's done like 2017. Five years ago. No, we've been working on it all through 2018, 2019, trying to come up, analyzing this my area plan, including that into our analysis, realizing that it actually brought another 50,000 cars a day. I think we covered that last time I was here. So I think we actually just had to make an assumption that that didn't make sense. That's too much. We cut down, we cut that in half to come over to six times actually. It's a couple of your zone? Yes, a couple of your zone. But if we were to, you know, I don't know what would change if we were to take another look at the traffic. No, I was just trying to, yeah, the docket and so that, that Alex Ford, they all had 2017 on them. So I was just trying to mean, that's five years ago. So I was just trying to understand whether or not kind of the model is still held up today. And I guess what you're saying is that you feel with that model still holds up today. From what I know about standing here for you today, yes. If I were to step back from this, you know, if we were to postpone for a long period of time, we have to reconsider something possibly. But eventually we've got to make decisions and we've forward. And I'm not saying that to freshen you guys, but from our perspective too, because we've had a lot of projects that were delayed due to funding, and then you know we've done all this preliminary engineering work. Well, do you start back over from scratch? Or do you take what you had? Because all those processes take so long to crank up and sell it. And I mean, I remember what it was like out here 20 years ago. There was no traffic. So we're looking at 20 years into the future. Just trying to hard for me to wrap a mind around it. Because I remember what it was like 20 years ago. OK. Sorry. If you don't want to. You want it? I've done it. I was going to pose. Well, you guys. And then you do your proposal, whatever. So we're coming down to a lot of, I'm hearing a lot of the same issue factor for this over. Probably run on that first, I can use the thoughts. But so what we're doing tonight is we're either agreeing to swap or not, including the Stephen's Mill edition. Stephen's no real line, or not. And if that's not, what's it's not? Stephen's Mill or Stalin's right? Stalin's right. Stalin's right. Do I say Stephen's no? No, Stalin's brother. No, Stalin's brother. You'd probably be no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Yes, to the sixth length, then yet we have to be able to figure out if that's the ideal we want. However, if we say no later, no lost our opportunity to get idle while pumped up and pumped up. Lard, lard. Get these streets straight. I can't even live here. So that's what we're doing, kind of complicated, but we have to think, I'll live here. So that's what we're doing, kind of complicated. We have to think through this. Those who are out there, they have for all four intersections of the same name. So there's a lot of that in Shenamon and Shenamon. So that's what we have to be thoughtful about. But that one decision that we have to make tonight is if we're going to go through a smile, say that tonight, if we say no, we're not under any time pressure to move forward with saying yes to the decision. On that any, the lawyer's part is off the table if we don't take it in our way. So we would have another month or two to figure out what we really want to do with lawyers. I mean, I don't know. But we like to know that anything happens tonight, we're not going to get it. We could get new. Is that all right? Only if you change the opinion. So if you changed to Indian. Right. Take no action. We would inform with the Ottawa Project that we could move forward with Ottawa. Eventually, if you just never told us anything, we would have to inform or you have to coordinate some alternate conclusion with the NBN. So you would just do Iowa without any municipality's input? I would say no to that. That's not true. Now we need to do that. What you want to ask is that we've already got a lot of input from. We've been negotiating this for years. So we've already gained that input. OK, which, OK. So there's a whole elected body made up of elected officials at CRTPN that this project is a part of their overall plane. So in order to do something different we have to get their consent. Does that make sense? It would have to be CRTPO's decision eventually to do something different with this project. But it starts right here. Right, right. You guys have to say, we can say, swap. So say we do the swap today. This is my last question I've promised. I just, this is, you all want to understand how we stress this. It's like, it's just, it's really free. I'm really going to have you make this decision so fast. Yeah, we can just swap like that. No, I don't think so. So we do locked tonight, and you're safe on the road, there's like a ton of traffic that's boiling or going to the interstate. Would you then come back? What was the background you used? Or whatever, where you get? I mean, actually, like, Oh, there's many things. Oh, we're stiff. Okay, so I didn't know, I think I know what I'm talking about. Stay transportation improvement point. Okay, so would you come back in five years and say this is a problem like we have to address this now? We would. Well, is it what it requested to say five years is to stay? No, it's not. In every two years, we're going to have a new submittal for new projects, right? And if we know we've got a problem, then us at the vision, we can submit for projects. They're now going to the top of the competition, right? So it, but it takes time for projects number one to be, to rise to the top in that competition and then to get funding and go through the process of being. So because in junior, junior period, we could get our swap in. It is possible. No. It is possible. And it's not impossible. If we were to swap, we're still going to get four lines of stints and bottom upgrades. One by one. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. It saves the harm since this case. What did you say before that about the swap? If we swap. We could still get the swap and the stints and far or in. I don't know if we can get the four lines a week. We will get the stints and farms upgraded as part of their agreement. We will get that anyway. OK. And if we swap and get whatever that's playing, looks like. But we can consent to the swap Jack they stop the damn traffic analysis that they're gonna do right? Yes, can I ask you a question? Yes My understanding is I Understanding this is that there may be a hitch with stints and farms and it may not go forward So is that with partly agreement that anything goes forward there will be a gap. Okay. Okay. Well I mean I just heard that maybe there might be some issues that were not going to get bored. That was if they were going to do... What are you here asking me? Ah, yeah. I'm here if you want to ask me. Okay, yeah, yeah. No, he hits you sewer. As soon as we have sewer, we are in the construction. We have sewer. As soon as we wait for sewer, as soon as the economy doesn't tag, we'll do that as soon as we're sewer. I'm going to pick you up. We all talk now. Yeah, I think so. Alright, let's wish you the council. So I moved, we... Oh wait, I'm sorry, you have a proposal that I forgot to come back to you for. You actually did what I was doing. Oh, yeah. Okay, because I think it needed to be by repeated. Like these are I've moved that we approve the swap Actually for 49013 actually, Silver Road. You were four, four, nine, one, three? Yeah. I have a document. I wild road for Blair's Road and we'll see. You know, this is fourth floor of the Vancies. Yeah. And stop one, two. And stop. So we would also, as a part of that proposal, segment, the U4 down 13 project to allow this time is ready to be alignment to move forward Motion a second on the or Stephen as a discussion question. It's a process question The mayor's not here so he can't break a tie So it's a tie of people that is here It's not a tie. It's a bob ofy But it's other people that are here and out of the council. I'm kidding. Right. Yes. I can have to be right now. That's what I'm on now. All right. Motion, the motion's on the floor. All in favor? Aye. Aye. I didn't hear you. This I'm going to be the dissenting vote. I'm going to be the dissenting vote. Portable and passes. Does that have to say all of those? Just to clarify, we're going to pursue the swap. Ottawa Road Project for the larger project plus the other projects including the Stallons Redd encirclement with the roundabout. So next step will be, we'll see if the town of Matthew commissioners came to the same conclusion. And then it'll go to the Carpebo Board, which is the TAC, the elected officials. We've read and the mayor said aren't for us. You know it'll be their decision as you order a prudence. And I suspect of all parties, D of T, all the towns are here with it. They should be giving it. When they do not, you remind me of something. Okay. You're doing the question, but I have the same page. Brett? He's the one for you. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much for your patience. Thank you for your work on it. Thank you for your work on it. Next up, close session for soon, and GFTS, one or four minutes. We're going to be on it, up on one, A3. Mayor Fertil, any issue to that motion can someone add to it to invite Max, into the procession as well as calling ribbon or T's if we need to by telephone. Oh, you need a motion? Yeah, as part of that motion. Okay, high moves that we move into closed session to NCG S143, 318, 11, and one or three three one eight eleven and we invite Max and Colleen and we would ribbon or teach. Colleen's a sniper point. She did, but was a slow. Colleen's not long-staffed. I said ribbon. You said Colleen too. Colleen. You said Colleen Colleen. Oh, I was going to call it Colleen Colleen. Oh, I'm sorry. You can just give us one second.