Ladies and gentlemen, welcome you all to the Thursday, September 12th, regularly scheduled. As for the City Council meeting, we would like to recognize it all, special guests, but I want to take just a moment to recognize a boy scout from 2527, we're back row back there, Zach Green, Zach did working on another badge he's pursuing his ego and we welcome you here tonight, glad to have you and hope that you will see and experience something in a night that will help you as you go further in your education. I'm struggling a little bit here tonight. One to make mention when I asked you to stand for the prayer of a graduate, I wanted to make mention that our good friend and former councilman, Tom Lundjabase, has had a term for the worse. He's not doing well. He is under hospice here at this point. I have a follow-up three weeks ago and has just gone downhill from that. And he sat here at this table for 22 years representing Citizens of Ashboro and his whole career as an extension agent for the Silicon Department of Agriculture. He spent an agent for the, and in three different counties. So he spent his whole career working for the citizens of this state and has not a lot to us and he's a very good friend of many of us. He is under house was care and I would ask that you remember him and our prayers tonight. And I also wanted to ask you to say a prayer or celebration for Councilman Mopin who is a recent grandfather this week. Grand owner Charlotte Hope Moppin, lived down in Waxall. Not close enough, it was far enough away. Yeah, it was time to leave when I left the three of us. Okay. If you will stand and join me in a moment of meditation. I invite you to pray in any manner that you are comfortable and we'll follow that with pleasure. Thank you. to the flag of the United States of America, and to the public for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. You remember from the last last month we made that we had in the journal? I will call on Trevor Novel to reintroduce the case in Louisville, Arizona, the hearing that we were in process of at the last meeting. Once we go through this hearing, then we will start with our regular meeting. Thank you, Mayor. As you said, this is a continuation of this item from the July and August City Council meetings. I remind the Council that several parties have already been placed under oath during the Quasad judicial proceeding back in July. Those individuals remain under oath, including myself. I'd like to read who has previously been placed under oath, which included myself, John Thompson, Max Summy, Doris Osborne, and Lucy King. Anyone else who wishes to speak this evening, who have not identified with, will need to be placed under oath prior to addressing the city council and they can do so by coming forward to the city clerk at the appropriate time. The council continued this case in July in order to receive additional evidence and again in August at the applicant's request. I'm going to focus my presentation on new evidence that has been submitted to staff, pertaining to the permit request this evening. However prior to doing that, I would like to distribute several items to the council, represented parties, a federal guard, you're doing an ass-re-life going. And we swear, I have a little shawty. Just a little bit of mistreatment. Yes. If there's anyone in the room that would just be explaining on this face tonight that has not been sworn, there's still anybody that has not built a cart right over here and will administer that? I think yes. Okay. I think it's going to be a key. Yes. And as you move along, the good commission, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Nuddle, we'll just state what you should be handing out your devices on the recorded record. Yes, sir. First, given the time that has passed since the July meeting where council had much discussion about the specific rezoning element of the request, I have handed out the specific minutes from the July and August City Council meetings that pertain to this case, as well as staffs recommended zoning consistency statement for your review and considerations. I've also distributed tonight's slides in case you would like to refer to them during the hearing or deliberation. Also distributed was the updated staff report for your reference. That report has been submitted to both the applicant as well as council for Ms. King. Lastly, I would like to mention that and that I've entered into the record, via the distribution, the rezoning, the requested zoning district as well as the zoning description as contained in the city's zoning ordinance. So those are the materials that have been distributed here this evening. Moving into the specifics of the request real briefly, I'll mention that the property owner is the request. There are two property owners involved in this matter this evening. It's outside LLC and J.B. and Sons of Ventures, the applicants on the application are John Thompson, J.B. Davies and Jerry Holder. We're looking at property on the north side of vision to drive along Nottingham Street. And again, this is a request to rezone from R6, R15 and condition to use I3 which is a conditional use limited industrial district take all the property from those districts to the conditional use I2 general industrial district. We have three parcels represented by Randolph County Pins included included in the request. It's just over 62 acres and size and total. Currently, the properties are undeveloped. Now, up on the screen is an overview of the areas of zoning map, subject parcels that are included with this request are outlined in red and also identified with a letter A on the map. You'll note A2 and A3 are purple in color and that denotes the current conditionally used I3 industrial zoning that is on the property today. Parcel A1s orange and yellow color denotes current RA6 and R15 zoning respectively. Surrounding the subject parcels, the property zoning is R15, which is an area in yellow, R-A6 again the area in orange, and O-A6 which is the area in light blue to the east and southeast of the property. This map also shows that properties A2 and A3 are outside of the city limits, but within the city's extraterritorial planning jurisdiction. A1 is presently located within the city limits. I also want to point out that I have confirmed that the zoning of the adjacent king property to the north of A2 is zone R15 residential. If you remember, there was some question at the July meeting and we were researching that matter at that time. We have been able to determine that in fact the entirety of the king's property is R15 and does not possess any industrial zoning as earlier zoning maps had indicated. We have made that confirmation and also provided notice and updated records to that effect. This topographic and utilities map identifies the locations of steep slopes, watershed boundaries, 100 year floodplain, as well as city maintained water and sewer infrastructure. You'll note that portions of the subject parcels are within a water supply watershed, which is why you are being asked to consider a special non-residential intensity allocation for the development. There is regulated floodplain and again some steeper slopes. And you'll note that while there is public water and sewer in the vicinity, there will be extensions required to serve the properties. This is the aerial map, which is a few years old, but it does give you a sense of the development pattern in the area. So if we can move on to the specifics of what has changed since Council last received testimony back in July. I will cover that in these next few slides. I do want to remind Council that there's two components of this request. The first is a conditional use permit for the conditional use I-2 industrial zoning district for an industrial development with multiple uses. So that's the first request that's made this evening. There's also a corresponding special use permit request for a special non-residential intensity allocation for to allow a built upon area above what is permitted by right in water supply watershed areas. Again, we've had two continuances of this case. Since you last reviewed the site plan, I'll note that the plan has increased the buffer and screen from 15 feet, which is what the plan showed during the July presentation to 50 feet on the Northern boundary adjacent to the residential zone property or the King property. This proposal includes both retention adjacent to the residential zone property or the King property. This proposal includes both retention of 15 feet of existing natural vegetation as well as 35 feet of a planted evergreen buffer. So that is reflected on the plan. Probably will be easier to see. These are the current plans for the... No information at all. This is the site plan for the permanent request as it exists today. So the reference I made to that increased buffer, you'll see there is a 50 foot buffer. I will tell you that previously that was 15 feet on the site plan from July. All other changes to the plan since the August Council meeting include relocation of the proposed drive into the property via a new railroad crossing that is south of the current crossing which means it is further away from the adjoining residential property to the north. This plan also has reduced the amount of built upon area that's proposed. Therefore, the amount of watershed, special residential, non-residential intensity allocation that is being requested is less than what was originally proposed with the application back in July. The plan also shows two potential locations for the proposed railper. There are there's a multiple alternate one and an alternate two. Obviously those decisions of the precise location of the railsper are not the cities but rather those are up to the railroad which is Norfolk Southern. Moving on, most of these elements remain unchanged but I do want to point them out. There is one entrance from Nottingham Street which is state maintained that's proposed. As we earlier reported, access from Vision Drive is not permitted by the state due to the control of access on Vision Drive at this location. NC DOT is the permitting authority for improvements to Nottingham as a part of the project. Norfolk Southern is responsible for reviewing and approving that final rail spur alignment as well as any approving any improvements that are shown within the railroad right away. We'll note that in industrial development with multiple uses and or structures, which is what the ordinance has defined this requested use as, allows all uses permitted in the underlying zoning district. However, the review of the conditional use permit request does allow use restrictions to be offered by the applicant and there are several uses that the applicant has stated will not be permitted if the application is approved. So could you go back, those are new conditions I'd like to see those. I think one that would I'd like to see. I think one that would go back to number five. Next one. No, one killer with a North from Southern. That would be item number four. I will say these are not necessarily conditions that staff is offering. We do have conditions that are contained in the report. These are just the analysis of the requests that staff is providing. Moving on, again, we note that the property is located within the balance of a water supply watershed. That's the back creek, lake watershed. Typically built upon area within water supply, general non-critical areas of the city's watershed are capped at 12% in pervious surface. There is a provision under the ordinance to allow up to 70% built upon area to be requested and approved. A certain conditions are met. That is part of the request again here this evening. Now 10% of the entirety of that watershed area under state rules may be designated as a special and non-residential intensity allocation area. Currently within the cities, Currently within the cities we have 193.48 acres remaining of that special allocation area If the request here this evening is granted this project would use 11.32 acres of that 193 acres reducing available allocation for future projects to 182.16 acres. The previous plan had requested slightly more built upon area and allocation up to the maximum 70 percent but that has been reduced with this plan. So the entire view of this site is not in the water shape. That's correct. The entirety of the site that's the northern, probably two-thirds roughly of the site are within it. And if I go back to this kind of high-distance calculation, it's only impervious just for a light to be portioned in the water. Yes, sir. That's right. And I believe on the plan, there is a reference to that watershed boundary on the Chown on the Site Plan by the engineer. Lastly, it is important to note that should Council grant this special allocation. All other general watershed development rules remain in effect, and so none of the other rules are changed with that approved. Now specific to the special non-residential intensity allocation or that permission to go above the 12% built upon area, there are five standards that projects must meet. There are five standards that projects must meet. Letter A, they must minimize built upon surface area. B, they must direct storm water away from surface waters. C, projects must incorporate best management practices to minimize quality impacts. Projects must be connected to City of Ashboro Water and Sewer. And lastly, projects must provide a positive economic benefit to the community. So during your deliberations, you should be considering these elements in addition to the four standard tests that you're familiar with. This is a snapshot of the full-side plan that you have up on at your places, but it does show the area of improvements. It's very difficult to see, I think, for the audience, but to the right, coming in off the right is Nottingham Street. You will see an area of crosshatching, which denotes the area that is proposed to be removed and relocated. So the applicant's proposal is to relocate Nottingham and install a new crossing further south from the current crossing via a new public street. The plan then shows a new driveway and connection made to provide access to the King property to the north. made to provide access to the King property to the north. There are several buildings and parking areas. There is a stormwater best management practice, structural BMP that is proposed in the top right area that is sized to handle the stormwater from the area within the watershed on the site. So there is a first phase also indicated on the site plan, which is that 50,000 square foot building. I believe it does say, not even say phase one on it. That is what we would expect to see to be built with the first phase of the project, but the proposal, this is essentially a master plan showing a full build out of the project. As is required, we have provided via the applicant the proposed building elevations for the project, and again that proposed first phase building is just to the top of that arrow on the right side. So I mentioned that the applicant can offer restrictions on uses. These uses are contained in the application where getting more moving into staff's proposed conditions should the council find there's sufficient evidence to grant the permit. We suggest these conditions are important to ensure consists compliance with the city's zoning ordinance. This is a staff proposed condition because we added one which is the last one that states any use prohibited by the watershed protection regulations. There are certain uses that are not allowed in the watershed area. So we've taken the applicant's list, which is everything but that last item up on the screen and added just to reinforce that there are watershed use restrictions on the property. These conditions are more fully articulated in your reports. I will just summarize them here. We do, as we frequently do, and as the ordinance allows, do a proposal condition that allows existing vegetation to be used for required landscaping, where it meets, where exceeds the ordinance requirements. There is some allowance based on final uses of these buildings that could change the final parking calculations for these buildings. We've added that as a condition, essentially as long as no additional built-up on area as being added, some adjustment to the parking based on what the ordinance requires would be permitted with this condition. Likewise, allowance for the change of the size of a structure based on a final user. Again, provided they're not increasing built upon area. As I said, the Nottingham Street Extension is proposed to be a public street extension. You'll note there is a terminus of that extension that is shown on the site plan. There is a T turnaround provided. This condition should that public street need to come further into the property, this condition, would allow some modification of that public street in terms of how or into the project it goes. In the watershed area condition F relates to watershed ordinance requirement that requires a spill, containment, prevention, and control plan to be submitted if the storage of any hazard just materials occurs on site. So that is something that will be required if in fact, storage of those materials occurs. Condition G states that that structural BMP for storm water will be required once we see a plan that exceeds 12% built upon area. So up to that 12% built upon area, you're allowed to do that by right. As soon as that built upon area exceeds that 12% staff will cease issue impermits until that stormwater BMP is the plans are submitted and installed and certified. Land use H must remain in good standing with the NC Department of Environmental Quality concerning air quality. Condition I covers some other approvals that will be necessary which is typical prior to the city releasing our land use development permits. So we will be looking prior to issuing any permits from the city evidence of required DOT approval or approvals. Evidence of approval from North or Southern for all the improvements that are located in areas that the railroad controls. Evidence for compliance with city code and policies related to water and sewer extensions and connections including annexation of the properties that are outside the city currently and as well as surveying of any infrastructure that is to be publicly maintained. There is a clerical omission on the site plan in regards to track three that deals with the zoning of the property. Should this case be approved, we would ask an amended site plan be submitted that addresses that. Re-roaching control permit needs to be issued prior to us releasing permits for development. And finally, the recordation of the standard memorandum of land use restrictions prepared by the city attorney's office. One more here. Prior to issuance of a permit for any future phases of the development following information shall be provided details on specific lighting to ensure compliance with the city's performance standards for the industrial district, information on solid waste disposal for the future phases of the project, as well as additional building elevations for those additional buildings that we did not possess elevations for at this time. So again, those are the staff proposed conditions that have been shared with the applicant that we feel are important for ensuring compliance with the city's zoning requirements. I'll end at this point, almost end. These are the four findings of fact that Council's familiar with for any conditional use permit, or especially use permit request. It is the applicant's burden to present information evidence and testimony that address these four findings. I'll go just to remind Council and the audience of the various action items this evening. We have a rezoning before you. You must consider the consistency statement, which again, I have provided a staff recommended consistency as it relates to land development plan consistency and whether the use of Pope is in the public's interest or not. As we always say, Council's free to afford more or less weight to the specific goals than either staff or the planning board and may determine the request to be more or less consistent with the land development plan. And also remember that we have a corresponding additional use permit request with the item this evening. So that's a lot of information. I'll be happy to answer any questions either now or after the remarks from interested parties. Before we start here, it would be a program for me asked about the lighting standards. Sure. Thank you. I'm going to ask you to ask the question. Yes, sir. It records lighting standards pursuant to, I think it's a very point something further. What are those standards? Those standards, and I can read them into the record, or I can try to summarize those. They essentially discuss the level of foot candles that are permitted at the at property lines. It depends on the top. I can't imagine having to answer that. I'll be happy to do my presentation like you. Look at that. If that would be helpful to you. And then you can rest there. It may just take me a second. It'll still find that. That's the best part. Great. I would be a thermometer on your point. Typically, at this stage, at this stage of the most projects, that that level of detail has not been has not been prepared. Occasionally we do get it. Oftentimes you'll see us if we do not have it make that make that a condition before any any permit is issue. I guess my point is it's a code and I'm a condition. It is a it is a zoning compliance permit. Right, that's correct. Before we, you go right in before we get started, I have a question Mr. Sob. Having two council members absent tonight, does that make any difference? I don't know much, but we know. Council still in full positions that they did approve or deny. Okay, so both is on the end for midnight. There's more. Thank you, Mayor Smith, Manager Augburn, City Council members, staff colleagues and citizens of Ashboro. Thank you for the opportunity to be before you this evening. I'm here to represent the applicants this evening, JB, Davis and sons, Ventures LLC, ASA LLC for as much the benefit of Mr. Terrell as for everyone and just to make sure that the records clear, I'll identify those parties that are here, some of which were still under oath from previous meetings, from the July and August meetings, and then obviously those that have been sworn into tonight, glad to see we have Mr. Davis, one of the property owners, Mr. Jerry Holder, one of the property owners. John Thompson, Mr. John Thompson, he is a property, one of the owners as well of the LLC. As well as a North Carolina licensed general contractor, he will be overseeing the development of the project and the construction phase. Obviously, Mr. MackSumme is here. He is the engineer who has put together this site plan. He'll be available. All of these individuals will be available to you to answer any questions that you may have. And then we also have Mr. Lee Roberts, who is here this evening specifically for that portion of the previous month's presentations that was tabled to present specific evidence that's necessary for this evening. Just a few things that I will say, the first thing that I would say is, I think Mr. Terrell and myself, we haven't had the benefit of being president at the previous meetings. Obviously you've already heard a lot of evidence. You've, I suspect probably maybe a few hours, at least an hour or so of testimony and evidence that's presented. I can also tell you from someone who is on a pre-regular basis reads minutes from counties and municipalities the minutes of the city of Ashboro staff are excellent. As someone who sees minutes that are not always the case, they do an excellent job. As well as the planning staff, I commend the level of detail and the information that's provided. Mr. Nuddle, more or less, does the job for the applicant. And so I truly appreciate that. I think what I'd like to do is obviously you do have two items before you. I'm viewing this application as to the conditional use and the rezoning as two separate items. I do think it's important, as it's presented in the staff report, to talk about the definition, the I-2 definition in our ordinance in the city of Ashburrett, to find in our ordinance as an area to produce areas for intensive manufacturing, warehousing, processing, and assembly uses controlled by performance standards to limit the effect of such uses on adjacent districts. I believe that the property that you have before you in the application meets that definition. Obviously, with the interstate to the west, with the Relsberg to the east, with the school to the north, this area is trending and appears to me to be a commercial use and right for commercial use in the future. I would submit all previous evidence that's been presented to you in the form of the minutes and obviously in re-opening the meeting as well. As a part of the conditional use permit, we're the applicant is required to address the four-part test. Specifically, we, the minutes have reflected that the third, specifically the third test, needs to be addressed. That test is specifically that the use will not substantially injure the value of a joining or a budding property or that the use is a public necessity. I won't go so far to say that this use is a public necessity obviously. We do believe that it's not a stretch to ask this council to recognize that this type of development there's a need for that. Not only in our county but in the city of Ashbur as well. We do have a shortage of commercial use property specifically warehouses. I think that's probably something that you have heard in your individual positions and so what ask you to take notice of that. At this time I would ask Mr. Roberts, Mr. Lee Roberts to come forward. Mr. Roberts is a North Carolina license to prazer. He will provide some two items I believe. At first he's going to take a little bit as qualifications as an appraiser and then talk to you specifically about the about the third test. Thank you. Councilor Mayor. Lee Roberts has been doing residential real estate appraising for the past 30 years. Our office does about 1200 appraisals a year. We cover a region pretty much from Virginia. About an eight county area in the Piedmont, North Carolina. We've done our office does residential site development. about an eight county area in the Piedmont, North Carolina. We've done our office does residential site development. I feel very comfortable making an assessment of the effects of this project on the adjoining property. I think the most important factor to consider was May 6, 1986. The property, the council approved the request to zone at CUI-3. This is a 9.3 acre track. It has a 1929 site built home, 980 square feet. There's a 1959 single-eyed mobile home that said multiple additions may to it. There's a railroad spur on one side of the property and interstate on the other. The fact of the matter is the highest invest use of this property is no longer residential. It's industrial. And it's my professional and expert opinion that granting a conditional use permit, CUI2, will not substantially injure the value of adjoining or abutting properties. Any questions? Mr. Mayor of the baby pulses that. I should clearly do that. I can't alone any money off of that study could it? Bank couldn't loan. I'm not paused if the bank could loan on the single-eyed mobile home got in 1959. It's the mobile home. I did. Did you do any composting studies? Any compost anywhere in your study? I can produce composts. But you didn't do them in your study. And my current study I don't feel I need to. I've done enough, I've got enough experience in this market. I've done multiple houses that are joining similar situations. I feel very comfortable with this. It didn't do a market impact study with any market data or tax data of any kind. No, sir. OK. And for the record, you're saying no, sir. Is that correct? Correct. I'm making sure that's in the record. But it's your opinion based on experience that this would not impact Michigan's property. That is correct. I have another question. property. That is correct. I have no questions. We have no other evidence on behalf of the applicant. Obviously, Mr. Nuddle did present I think two changes obviously the change of the special intense the allocation has come down from 70% the nottingham the change of the road further south I think that's been a change from your previous application and the amendment of the the buffer from 15 feet to 50 feet to the north obviously all those, I would just point out those changes. Everyone that I identified at the beginning of our presentation, obviously they are available. If you have any questions specifically about the site plan, the construction, or of the individual property owners. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Mr. Anastasia. Thanks more. I think you indicated the modifications to the site plan. I think there was also maybe a little modification as to the stipulated conditions that stand out. It was the applicant. A minimal to those. As Mr. Bell, always so correctly, so and I can count on him to do so, the proposed conditions are agreeable to the applicant. Yes. Thank you, Mayor Smith, the members of Council. My name is Tom Tarot. I'm an attorney with the law firm, Fox Roth Child. My address is 300 North Green Street. I'm proud to be here tonight representing next door neighbors, Lucy and Paul Paul King who I think you've met previously. Before I bring Miss King up here I need to ask Ben are you the one I cross examined about a lot of other factors do I call one of your gentlemen is my witness. So up to you. Well, you can ask where are the questions that you want to and we will determine who the best to answer those questions. I want to talk about the access. This is the first one. Who's the best person on that? Mr. Thompson, we reserve obviously to the right to have other individuals. Sure. Mr. Thompson, if you would just come up here. I haven't met you before. Is that, if we may have the phone going from? Yes. You were supposed to have your lawyer call when you get details. Is there a reason why they can get called? I understood and the city has sent you the information. That's the only reason. Okay. There's a lot more information than what's in the packet. But this is why I'm asking some questions. My understanding is you have moved or you're proposing to move Ms. King's driveway from where it currently is. Is that correct? Yes, correct. And you would be moving it so that she has to take access crossing your property. Correct. And she would now have to do it crossing the railroad in a place that's other than a public street. Is that correct? No, the public street, nottingham will go on to our property. That will be a public street. So you will be changing nottingham. We will be changing. That's our purpose. Okay. Now. But her access to nottingham crosses parts of her property that she'll have to maintain. Have you offered to maintain that for her? We have not. Has the railroad, have you gone out and gotten any type of encroachment to allow Ms. King to cross the railroad, easement in a different place. No. Have you gotten anything in writing from the railroad that even gives her the right to use that as it crosses their easement? The way we are showing the road now, it's coming across our property, not showing it on the railroad property. If not given her an easement to cross your property, hasn't? No. But that is our proposal to do that. I haven't seen it up there. Show me where it isn't writing. Well, on the site plan it shows that proposed driveway coming off of notting you, feeding back into her property to her paid driveway. Does that site plan show that she has an easement or right to cross it? No. Okay. I will say for the record obviously the applicant is willing to to provide that easement. Are you willing, is it going to be a permanent maintenance? Yes. It's currently used. Yes. The applicant is willing to put that in the easement and it's on the Okay, I'm going to say, we'll get Ms. King up here in the loan, but we've not been able to get anything in writing to protect her rights. All right, now I'm going to talk about the hazardous materials. Are you the person to ask answer those questions? I was the one for that. Okay, this site plan talks about hazardous materials. What hazardous materials are we talking about? Well, right now what we're looking at is the property. We don't know what will be going out there at this time, but we can put restrictions on the type of facilities that possibly that won't be going out there. So, okay. Another won't be topless bars and another won't be shopping centers, but for the industrial properties. That's what I'm talking about. What kinds of hazardous materials will be out there? That's not known at this time. So you have no idea what it is. Do you know who would be using them? Do you know where on the site they would be located? No. Do you know which agency would be looking over and permitting them no this time do you have any idea what quantities they would be do you have any idea that they're airborne do you have any idea if they would be any threat to groundwater okay let's move on to a different topic. Let's talk about, are you the one who would talk about transportation? I have spoken with the DOT. And I know Chair has also had some conversations with the DOT also. If do you have a traffic engineer who's been doing studies on this? We have none at this time. We have discussed that with the DOT and they have requested us to do that before the first project has started out there because at this time we have certain steps we have to go through. We want to try to get the rezoning, get the annexation. So before we went out and went to that extent, we wanted to go to these other steps first. Okay. We have spoken with the state about doing that. I'm going to hand you and we'll hand them what I'm just calling a team in Zippa A. Sorry. calling a human, Z of A. I got from the planning staff, something that had final draft written in red. Is that still final copy of the site plan? Yes, sir. Okay. Now, I have... I think I gave up my copy too. If I could have one, I would have one. Mr. Derrick, thank you. Do you know how many total square feet are on the side plane of the other space? I assume this is over your show. Do you have any? This is my arithmetic, but do you have anything that would dispute that my arithmetic is not correct? I count 641,094 square feet of potential space out here. That's right. OK. So how many trucks would close over 600,000 square feet of industrial space generate? At this time, I think that's unknown. OK. So you don't know how many trucks do you know of any route that they would have to take other things going out, Bailey? I'm not sure what the other street is, to go back in towards town. You could go left or right, I guess, on Bailey. But once, wouldn't all the trucks, 100% of them right now, have to go out to where the middle school and Balfour Elementary are. One way or the other, yes. One way or the other. Do you have any, have you done any studies about the adequacy of notting ham to hold those trucks? Do you have any study or do you know how many school buses are going to be serving those schools? Do you know what routes those school buses take? Do you know anything about whether they would be conflicting movements between the school buses and all the trucks leaving this site. All right. We'll talk about harmony for a second. I didn't see anything on these conditions that limited the hours of operation. Are you going to limit those to just nine to five or so there's 24, seven. 24, seven, three sixty-five. With trucks coming and going at three o'clock in the morning. Okay. What protections have you come up with to keep those trucks? And all that sounds they made for bothering the kings at 3 o'clock in the morning on a quiet summer night? Well, the road has been moved further south. That was one option that we came back up with. Originally, we proposed that we were just moving in a short distance south. That was one option that we came back up with. Originally we proposed it we were just moving in a short distance south. Now we moved it further to the south to help protect some of that noise. We've also increased the buffer between our property and their property. The code I'll support I only have I think is a 30-foot buffer is what's calling for it. We've increased that to 50 feet to try to help with some of that problem. Have you put anything, anything other than trees in that buffer? No sound barrier of any kind? No. Did not say the need for it. Okay. I don't see any conditions in there about backup alarms. You're going to put a condition in there that says any of the loading equipment, the trucks can't have backup alarms. I would not do that as a safety. You need this backup. So that's sound and that noise has to be there. You need that sound for safety. OK. For our call, Ms. King, do you want to do a direct? I mean, I mean, trust. Yeah. Let me credit this briefly. This or times, are you aware of whether or not the railroad has any of the conditions that Mr. Terrell is referencing, like any way to limit the hours that they use the rails for? I'm sure there are limits that they limit the rails for. Yes. Are you aware of any soundproofing or any other type of buffer that they've established? No. Along the rail line. No. I don't have anything further from Mr. Thompson. My question is for limited to the trucks. I never asked about the trains. I was just asking about trucks. I don't have any further questions of Mr. Thompson. I'm going to ask Mr. Kim. Mr. Kim, she will come up. And you're under oath, still. Okay. Mayor and councilor, I got into this case last Friday. Miss King has been looking for weeks and weeks to have somebody look after her interest. And I had four herons this week. So I'm learning as I go along here. Miss King, I want you to tell this council, how long you've lived on that problem? 78 years. Okay. You were born out there? I was born there. I'm not going to ask you how old you are, but you've lived there all your life. 78 years. Yes. OK. OK. And there's always been a railroad. Yes. And you've become accustomed to the railroad. Or have you ever become accustomed to track to Trader Trucks 24, 7, 365 going past your house? No. Have you ever become accustomed to backup alarms on the next property right next to you? Have you ever become accustomed to any of the sounds that will be naturally coming out of an industrial park at 3, 4, 5 o'clock in the morning? No. You have an issue with your lungs? Yes. Is it a disease? Yes. What's the name of that disease? Would you mind right there? And the date is 7, 9, 19 from Wake Forest Baptist Hospital. So you have... These two, I have two different long disease. All right, this is... So on July 9th, and I'm going to allow the... Mr. Williams to... Okay. You have what is called by basilar crackles and your lungs and you have interstitial lung disease. Yes. Okay. Does dust bother you? Great. Okay. What does it cause you to do? I cannot breathe. I feel like I am suffocating. Okay. Does things like spraying formus kidas bother you. Yes, any kind of films I can get behind a diesel truck going down the road. If I don't get out from it, my lungs just they won't close that pony. And you have medicine you take for it? Yes. What time y'all go to bed at night? Different nine to eleven, somewhere's long in there. Okay, but you're asleep throughout the night. Is that right? Yes. Do you in the summertime? Do you sleep with the wind as open? Sometimes. Okay. Okay. Listen to the crickets. Yes. And the frogs. And the frogs. Now, is in 78 years, have you ever had backup alarms and trucks 24 or 7 next year property? No. Okay. And is, do you consider that to be consistent with or similar to your property. Is that a similar type of use for your property? Explain that. It isn't just real use with trucks, harmonious with your residential house. It would that it does it would it be a good next door neighbor use. Definitely not. Okay. How many different stories did you hear from Mr. Thompson about the road, the access and all that. It was always, he was good, very good to come out there. In fact, he would tell me we would walk the property and the last time that next to the last time he come out there, he stood right there, he stood right there. He told me where the spur line was going past was not going to be on my land. It was going south. He told me where all that was going. And then I go and pick up my paper and I talk to the guys at the city hall, but it's not, it is not concrete where that spur line is going. It is, I think it's article one, article two. It could be in front of my house. It is, I'm going to be sitting right there at my bay window, at my den. Whenever that spur line is fixed and the box curves are on it, that's how you're going to see. The video you're going to see. No, I don't want that spur line up there. But that's a different thing. Is that harmonious with your residential use? You understand what harmonious means? Is that a similar use to your residential home? I have never. And I mean, it's like I have said the first meeting here. Never has there been any 911 calls for drugs, fights, anything like that. Never in my 78 years. The things are going to change. It's always been quite peaceful, but it's not going to be like that. I don't have any other questions. You may. Thank you. questions. You may. And then after that we're ready to summarize our evidence after. Sure just briefly. This King I understand that that you're worried about this development. Can you tell me about the interstate now and how does that impact your medical condition? Does that mean medical condition. Does that have any medical condition? Yeah. So the impact, the thing that bothers me, I can be there. Of course we've got, we've got barriers up there too as far as trees. Trees, yes ma'am. The only thing that will catch your attention is whenever 18-wheeler is there and down or somebody acting stupid, come and fly that the by-hats. Okay, choose your attention. Okay, like when they're breaks or if they're, if they're down shifting. Yeah. Okay. Um, and you've learned to be a customer that is that correct? No, you don't get accustomed to it. Okay. Not whenever you hear it. But the normal traffic, you have to. The normal traffic, you do. I want to talk to you a little bit about, I think I understood what Mr. Terry was asking you about your conversations with Mr. Thompson as it relates to the railsbur. Now I didn't have the benefit of obviously it being at any of those meetings or at the previous meetings before the council but didn't Mr. Thompson tell you that ultimately the rail road was the final authority on deciding where that rail spur would be? Yes, he sure did. And he explained to you areas where they would be proposed, but ultimately he or this group didn't get to make that decision. Right, but. Okay. group didn't get to make that decision. Right, but whenever he came to the house, not the last time, at the time of four. He told me and my husband sitting right there. Yes, ma'am. The spur line is going north. That's what we are proposing. No, it's still a proposal. You know. But whenever you say it's going north, I think it's going north, and I don't think it's going south. Okay. What leads you to think that it's going south now? Because it's on there that John told me that they wanted a straight way. South is, north is straight. South is not. Okay, I think maybe we can provide some testimony that may help illuminate that. Sure. The book is... Did you just read this? This is the story. All right, I'll just ask you a few questions. Mr. Thompson, obviously you've heard the concerns raised by Miss King, correct? Yes. And you've heard her testimony about some conversations that you guys had with both she and her husband and her property on multiple occasions. Yes, correct. You've heard her concerns about the real expert. with but she and her husband and her property on multiple occasions. Yes. You've heard her concerns about the real spur. Can you address those concerns? Do you understand what she's saying? I can, I think. If you would just for the record. Sure. So we have reached out to Norfolk Southern and talked to them about the real spur. We've proposed a location south of where Nottingham was at now. And we submitted that to Norfolk Southern for them to look at and give us some comments back and Troy acres with Norfolk Southern responding back to him in and I'll read this not give you guys a copy for your record, but I Was asking him if we could lose the real spur further south and his comments came back was our main line turnouts have to be located Intangent straight track and where you have it currently shown appears to be in a curve. The reason we had it shown where it was on the other side of the crossing was because we had to back it up to find some tangent track. So where we had proposed it was right in the curve and they said they would not put it in the curve for safety reasons. So their original proposal where it is to the north of we're not in him as that now is where they're still proposing it to go to. All right, on your side of the plan, then. Yes. I'm turning to 10. Yes. OK, yes. All right. That was a huge proposal and they rejected it. That's correct. I'll turn to two. Yes. And here, there's still a look at an alternative one. That's correct, right? Yes. And again, when I spoke with our IDDTERR every time that it's not up to us, it's up in Norfolk Southern to make that determination of where that spur is going to be tying in it. I did not have, you know, that's their responsibility. So, do you have any questions? I don't have any. Okay. If we would, at this time, I will make copies of this and provide to the President Council of this time, we would seek to introduce into the record, the email from, I guess, Mr. Troy Eikers, is that correct for it? No, I'm sorry. Something about it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Clerk. All right. Do you want to hear from Mr. Mellon now about my standard before you show them right? Thank you, Mayor. I have had several copies of the standards that pertain to the district. One of Mr. Terrell's specific questions was as it relates to foot candles at the property lines and under the ordinance provisions, this is under item D maximum light level of any light fixture of shronotic seed, one half foot candle measured at the property line butting any residential district. So in the case of Ms. King's property, any light levels at that northern property line, we would be looking for a lighting plan and installation that limits that to that one half foot candle. There are other provisions in here that I've provided to the councils. I'll be happy to go through each and every one of them if you feel it's necessary. I think this is sufficient. I'll be right back go through each and every one of them. I think this is sufficient. Thank you, Mayor. Mr. Mayor, I don't know how we're going to present the closing and the end of the week. We're going to present the closing. We close. You had to park five or seconds. Other than to say thank you for the bar. I understand. Other than to say thank you for the opportunity to be here. We believe that in the July, August, and then now this meeting we believe the applicant has met its burden. The kings, they have obtained counsel who has so adequately represented them and shepherd them through this process. I commend the city staff who's worked very closely with the applicant. The applicant, Mr. Terrell, has asked questions about some reports that weren't performed like the traffic study. There can always be more engineering reports and there can be more studies that are provided. I would also point out obviously, you know, I don't think the neighbors have done any of that. It is very easy to sit here and poke holes in this, but I think the applicant with their engineer, with the city staff now within a prazer. They have worked very hard to bring to you an application that not only meets the legal standard, but probably more importantly is something that ultimately you as a council can be proud of and something that the city of Ashboro can be proud of as well. So thank you. The next group will be, I'm just curious. I thought of this one when I first talked to some of those interesting questions. Nine-ham, you proposed the relocation of nine-ham. Do you have a distance? Matt, do you know the distance? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. We're talking three. We're talking three or four. I don't want to speak it. It appears to me it wouldn't be three or four hundred feet. Can you tell from... It's probably because... If you don't mind, please come to the microphone. Based on the scale. Yeah, based on the scale is a hundred scale and... It's about five to six hundred feet, is my guess to it? So you don't mind the length of the extension. But your question, Mr. Smith, is how far south? How far south? That's smooth. That's nine. It looks like those girls are about 250 feet. Just in terms of the deep south location, with about 600 feet. Mr. Smith, Mr. Smith, there's so many questions. The correctional location. To the proposed location. OK, from the view of the Create this proposed location. Okay, from your problem. All right. If you go from the center line of the rail, from the rail-raids center line of the existing non-in-ham, to proposed non-in-ham is exactly 200 feet. And then property line is exactly center line to center line to to 40. Thank you. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the One of each, right, two seven times. Well, these are coming down the dais. I know it's not common for lawyers to come into your chambers and hand up a legal brief or a long case. But that's what I'm doing. Before I say anything, I think it's necessary to say I'm honored to be in the same room as Ben Morgan. We've had several opportunities to be with each other. At the same site, opposite each other, it's one of the finest lawyers I've known. The first thing I want you to look at is the brief of Lucy King Trust. This is the law of North Carolina. When you have a special or conditional use permit, it's not Miss King's job to come in here and explain why the permit should not be issued. It's the applicant's job. This is the law. It is the applicant's job on each of the standards that are before you right here to present competent evidence, material evidence, and substantial evidence. I'll read you a couple of sentences. Now, this is, I'm quoting from a professor at the School of Government, some of you may have been in some of his classes. The burden is on the applicant to present evidence to present sufficient evidence to allow the board to make a finding that the required standards will be met. If insufficient evidence is presented that the required standards will be met, the permit must be denied. And if you go down about halfway through, there's another quote from a case that says failure to present substantial evidence on any one single issue necessarily defeats the permit. Now, let's review what evidence there was. The site plan says that there's going to be hazardous materials. So we know that there's going to be hazardous materials. So we know that there's going to be hazardous materials right next door to where Miss Kanglia is. We don't know if they go into the air, the applicant couldn't say. Applicant could not identify what those hazardous materials are. The applicant could not identify where on the site they would be, who would be monitoring them from a standpoint of DEQ or whatever agency. There was absolutely no evidence as to whether or not the hazardous materials, that's their term, it's not my term, but in any way in danger, Miss King. And we also have evidence from her that things like Miss Brang from Asquitas bothers her lung disease. Now, on public safety, 641,000 square feet, but no knowledge whatsoever of how many trucks will be generated. No knowledge of what times they will be going, no knowledge of any kind of whether or not they're going to be conflicting movements with the schools. They have to go out. Testimony is they have to go out to where the two schools are and either turn left or turn right. No knowledge of where the school bus stops are. Nothing about when the trucks corn versus the school buses, no facts, no evidence quite so ever. Now on the issue of harmony, there is a legal presumption of harmony if it's in the same district, but there is no legal presumption of harmony when it's in the same district. But there is no legal presumption of harmony when it's a separate district. This is a industrial district. They have RS-15 or RA-15. So it's a residential-earned property. And I think the appraisal, by the way, said it was industrial. If I listen to that correctly. So there's no legal presumption of harmony. And we have Miss King, who has lived on this property since the day she was born, occasionally sleep for the windows open. We have an industrial park that's going to have trucks 24, 7, 365, and that's all hours of the night and day. And those backup alarms, the testimony is they're not only necessary, they're good because they're safe for the people in the park. But it's completely inharmonious if you're the next door neighbor having to listen to that. Now I've handed you a case called Sun Sweets versus the Town of Garner and there's a little yellow flag in the margin. This is a case where somebody was trying to get a hotel resumed. And the opponents brought in some folks to testify. And they had professional credentials to talk about what might or might not harm property values, but they did not bring evidence. And I'm wondering if you look at that little yellow tab that says conclusions. That's what we have here tonight. A conclusion with no evidence. And I'm wondering if you look at that little yellow tab that says conclusions. That's what we have here tonight, a conclusion with no evidence. Conclusions unsupported by factual data or background are incompetent and insufficient to support a quasi-judicial finding's bodies. Well caps, that was the real estate person. Well, caps may have been qualified by virtue of his profession. Neither he nor vinyl presented any factual data or background, such as certified appraisals, market studies, or anything supporting their naked opinions. And tonight we had a negative opinion. In short, you have on three of these key issues, health and safety, property values, and harmony of failure to present a competent material and substantial evidence, especially on the issue of property values and health and safety. Under the law of North Carolina, this permit must be turned down. Now, there may be great reasons in your legislator's hands. There may be great reasons, policy reasons to have better tax base. It may be great reasons to have more jobs to put industry right here. I'm sure that there are, but this is your ordinance that says they have to present the evidence of a conditional use permit. They've had all these months to do it and they didn't. They didn't unshort. They might have taken your setback seriously, but they didn't take your standard seriously. And the law says this must be denied. That complete presentation will go both parties. We will move under any questions. Councilor Lee, having any questions of the presenters. Well, we'll move to the delivery phase, and I'll ask Councilor Woodley wishes. Mr. Mayor, we've heard of tremendous amount of evidence over three-meter discussion at the very least. We'll just bring back that three-fold pass point. May I, ma'am, Mr. Mayor? Yes, sir. I'm going to interrupt your train of thought. As far as you have a whole lot of evidence and issues to wait and certainly your call. I'm not trying to lay out a path, but I will. I just want to make sure that I'm talking about the four standards for the permit that we don't forget, the governing board doesn't forget, that given the posture that this case is in, the rezoning doesn't need to be addressed first. And as you address the rezoning does need to be addressed first and as you address the rezoning then to get to the part about the permit based on the outcome. As part of your deliberations, just simply as a matter of what your options are, you couldn't include in those deliberations whether or not you feel like you have heard sufficient information and data to make a decision about the rezoning based on the consistency statement that you received from staff, certainly free to change your disagree with that. To deal with the consistency statement and the rezoning issue, one sentence resolved to end the debate, the issue of whether or not it lighted the fact that the Profford expert did offer to Fine Comps and bring that to you since he did not testify to that. And there was also a discussion for your consideration about this issue of the easement and how that was not offered on the site plan. I don't think it was contested that there wasn't a right offer in an easement on the site plan, but there was testimony that they'd be willing to grant it, as far as whether or not you want to receive further evidence, because you just moved to the Liberty phase, you're not finished with hearing you through his new evidence to be brought in. If you wanted to fabricate those issues, be with one to neither, just for your belibration and make sure that the resumption is not overlooked. And I would think I would have made the children back. After the public care was closed, you can't bring in more evidence. I will respectfully send in. That's sad as I am. First one, Eric. We moved. It made very well. I will submit that it moved to the liberty phase of the hearing. It was not closed. Since it's been moved, it's a deliberative phase. I moved to the liberty phase. Since it has been moved to the liberty phase of the hearing, the council is free to consider the evidence that it has received. And to decide if it needs, before it renders a final decision on any aspect, if it needs more evidence to that. So that would be... I got one I need if you can go back to the other. It's great. Thank you. And starting with the consistency statement, staff and the planning board both found that the land development plan designated as the majority's properties employment center, due to its location on the major transportation corridor, specifically, knows the railroad and the end of state. It takes into account, if you go back to the Tittiesburg, it's given a bullet to shot plant and inch on legs. I believe that the plant is more than the staff got the consistency statement correct. And I would literally lead approved based on that analysis consisted in the statement to improve the rezoning to place the property into the district. And for the court to spend the fit, besting the board as a two-part motion is without the suggestion from the consistency statement and also to approve the requested rezoning. Is that a cross-versely? Thank you you sir. So, a motion to approve the rezoning and adopt the consistency statement. Do I have a second? Okay. Second Mr. Bell in discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, line aye. All opposed. Like I motion carries. Motion to approve the rezoning and adopt the consistency statement. Is the density allocation a portion of the conditional use permit. It's not a separate vote, it's a condition of it, it's in the conditions of the hospital, be sure we said that. I believe I heard testimony on it, I'll be sure we're crystal clear on this. I put his counsel up, as I understood, not the words in this mouth, agreed to supply my entire and relocated and my entire group. A relocated and you drive what connects it for the adjacent properties in Northland and East East. Did I understand that correctly? I believe as he did, at this point, we're still in the deliberative phase of it, but he did never believe that we'd reflect the testimony that was offered. So that we can add that as one of the conditions that we're talking about. Or that or you can side of you need to have advertised and have more hearing relevance for sleep to clarify that issue. It's for what exactly is offered. Well, head testimony, I'm seeing. The easements are always tricky for us what people would put down. Well, let's be more specific. As grown on this grown is submitted or equivalent. If it's your choice that you want the mayor to move back in to move back in to how the delivery defaise and get more evidence or would you prefer to get to continue to get more time to get a right way sure to move forward. Mr. Mayor, that will be because a presiding officer, sir, charge you want to open it back up rather than you want to transition back over the hearing more evidence from all signs. Well, in that testimony, I thought we heard him say he was willing to do the easement and the maintenance of the driveway. Do we need more evidence to clarify that? At some point, you have testimony. My recollection always stand to be corrected. My recollection is the testimony was that that it was acceptance of what was proposed. The testimony didn't get any further as far as accepting any specific condition over an easement. There was a back and forth discussion here in Cross Exam. No, the recollection was most more considered to say. There was there was never any clarity over precisely what was being a Greek city. That's why if it was going to be brought back up to whole proceed, you would need to move out of the liberty phase and back over to the city, that's going from all sides. We're afraid with the condition that Eastman is granted and maintenance be made tanked. And we are agreeing to do so. It doesn't appear to be a matter of contention. We're going to theme that is, since there's been comments from both sides more, with your permission Mr. Lager, on each of you back over in receiving evidence because we just now had more. All right, test them all. Well, well, for additional evidence, only regarding the driveway and the maintenance and the easement. I just tell you what looks at. Yes, yes. Yes, sure. If we could just keep it very simple, Ben's is an honorable. Well I trust Ben implicitly. If they would grant an easement, a full right of access, easement across their land and that they would maintain the entirety of that of that connection up to where her driveway currently is. We're fine. I can't imagine that we're hardship with maybe residential traffic. We would have agreed to this. The applicant would agree to that condition. We will be friends with the actual traffic. We will agree to this. What's happening? The applicant will agree to that condition. We will do so. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Mark II is in the liberty of place. With the conditions as presented, I believe we've heard testimony to the four-step test. And the previous testimony has covered all four adequately. The nice testimony was about three. We have a professional appraisal that gives that the property value would be not harmed. Certainly it was implied that if not stated it would be increased tremendously, it would be inconsistent with the land development plan that's stated by them, it's stated by them, through the planning board. Also, the thing that was properlyed, there were no hazardous materials or air quality issues proposed at this time, however, if those bitter rides that would be controlled by North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality, the OT would be in charge of all the conditions necessary, any ingress, any grass of appropriate traffic. Based on the information that I've heard relative to the four-step test, can with the conditions that have been accepted by the applicant, I believe, we approved the conditional expert. We have a motion. Mr. Norton, will you put the conditions back up on the screen, please? That will motion to approve with conditions. Mayor Mott. That's a question. Councilor. Does that need a separate component with respect to the SNIA conditions? It would need to be clearly addressed in the motion. I think we're doing some implying right now. It would be helpful if Mr. Moby would just clarify four of the record that when you say they meant the standards, it includes the specific standards for the special and non-residential intensity allocation as part of their issue be application complication. Yes. As our understanding correct. Yes. With those conditions, I'll be second. What is a P? Sorry. Okay. We have motion to issue the permit with conditions. With conditions I think living approving the use and the special non-residential intense the allocation. Do we have a second? Second. Second Mr. Baal, need discussion. All the favors are out. All opposed. Motion carried. Thank you. I've given a couple minutes. All right. A minute forward on the live delay to the shop. And just to tell you one, it's coming without Ashford and Mossas is, I'm going to send a document that will be presented at the next rate for a meeting for the meeting of these previous events. Okay, Council, you have a front of you. You're a consent agenda for this Thursday, September 12, May. Are there any items on the consent agenda that you would like to remove for individual discussion? Jack, you can't leave yet. If you haven't made your speech, you know, I'm kidding, y'all are right. I'm going to y'all know right. I'm gonna hide just a school. I'm gonna get you a Falcon, not an eagle. Okay, hearing done, I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as it's presented. Mayor, may we be a review? A further consent agenda as presented. Mayor, motion to approve the consent agenda. Do I have a second? A second. Madam motion, through the booth. Madam motion, consent to agenda. Do I have a second? Second. Second, Mr. Berks. A discussion. All fairs that I have. Aye. All opposed. Motion carried. This is the time, the advertising, the point and time for public comment creators or anyone in the audience that would like to address the council and item any items of city business or concern. Okay. We're in number one, we're going to do item six. Item six is action required necessary to move forward with our neighborhood polling journal Center City Guard. We have just had some interesting folks come into the room and appreciate your being here. We have Dan John, for Herald, for that holder, for the C. Rankine, Ross Reddy's, Holy George, and the Sparkis. And I'm sorry. Don't know your account chart. Oh. That's what I'm saying. The first item, counsel, you have an impact in a resolution adopted the official name of the remember last month, we'll put the name as just people. You negotiated by the golden of the property and the people raising their money and it is the David Pauline Gerald Center City Garden. city garden. And so I'll let it kind of motion at this time to adopt that. It's the official name of our garden project. Mayor Adclude, we adopt a little trouble getting that out. If you were out of here, I'm like, the board is a good call. I'm going to be there. We could, but do I have a second? Second. Second, Mr. Berks, from the discussion. All in favor of adopting this resolution by reference, say hi. All opposed. Motion carries. And the second part of this item is a budget amendment which you have in front of the purchase additional properties necessary to fully develop the day that is following Gerald Center City Garden. Those properties include the other Gerald piece in this part of this piece. All right. And adoption of this resolution will allow the city staff to finish the surveys in the city attorney to schedule sale of closets. There were some major land clearing over there today. It's going to look a little different for a while, but you can actually see what we're talking about a little bit now. So we are purchasing the parcels from the jails that they agree to sell to us if they don't mean when they don't mean the other part, the larger part, and we're also purchasing the residential property between this piece and the table of the PD. As part of the police department, the headquarters building, which this will give us a welcome center and a rest room facility for the garden. So that's the budget amendment. I have a motion. Second, discussion, all in favor. We already did. No, no, no. It's not for this one. Okay. Sorry. Do I have a motion? It's so moving. I have a question. Okay. I'll show it. Do I have a question? It's so moved back. The wording on it. Yes, somebody else is to adopt a reference to the legend that you had in your pack. Yes. Do I have a second? Yes. I'll get to the next one. I thought I already did that. I mean, discussion. All the favors I have. All the photos, like signs, or some charities. So, we are well on our way to establishing something that will lead a great asset and been a big star community for. I hope forever. Certainly for generations to come. It's been a dream of mine. I want to say publicly. Thank you to Nann and John and the operating committee that got out and raised the money for us to purchase these properties that I appreciate and it's farcass making her property available. This is just going to make a really nice entrance to our city center garden. Center, city center garden. They don't think of so. OK. CCG. This is the center. The center. This is the center. The'm sorry. I'm sorry. You had to wait all that time to be here for five months. Thank you so much. We had two attorneys. That should explain. We had two attorneys. We had two attorneys. We had two attorneys. We had two attorneys. We had two attorneys. We had two attorneys. We had two attorneys. We had two attorneys. That should explain. We had two attorneys. We'll start moving forward toward the master plan of this property and start getting some ideas and get a group together that can help us visualize and master plan this thing and make a concrete plan of what we hope to build after we finish the sports clicks and Jim and And the park at city lake I think there's lots of great things happening in this This will be there Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Item 7, which is a note of 7a is presentation of recently adopted stick transportation and bridge employment schedule concerning the local highly projects. Thank you Mayor. I'm going to rely on Mr. Moffitt to chime in on anything I may leave out as it relates to this but He should probably just give the presentation but Well We do want to keep We do want to just make counsel and we I have to present not so good news, and that's what we're seeing with this recently adopted transportation plan. But the board did adopt the 20 to 29 a stick here earlier this month. And it's no surprise it's been in the news. The current plan made several revisions to projects here in Ashboro due to funding constraints that the DOT is facing. There are really two major driving forces that are affected in scheduled delivery. One is a lot of litigation and settlements related to what's known as the map act and that was how the state was trying to preserve right away for major transportation projects. That was found to be- Oh, free, not free. That was found to be not sustainable. And so they are spending some money to make things right with some property owners, a lot of property owners. The second is that there has been significant disaster recovery spending here recently. The figures that we've been providing is between 2004 and 2016, the DOT budgeted and spent about $66 million in disaster funds annually. Over the last three years, that has increased on average to $220 million per year due to primarily the storm-related events. That does not even count the most recent hurricane Dorian that hit the East Coast. So there has been significant funding constraints at the department faces. I've outlined, I'm going to mention all the projects, real briefly, that are contained within the plan that are that effect Ashboro. If you see them in red, that means that there has been delay to the schedule due to those funding limitations. But if you pull out this several hundred page document and find the division eight in Ashboro and you'll see that we have ongoing 73, 74 pavement rehabilitation, US 64 east of I-85 business, Lexington to Ashboro bypass. This is a project to widen into multi lanes. That highway with right away in the current plan, looking at fiscal year 21 and 22 with the construction 2024 and beyond. And so that is a big project and we'll go into the 2030s most likely. NC 42 from Martin Luther King, Junior Drive, North Randolph Avenue to East Salisbury Street. We're glad that this project made it in. If you remember, we had a pedestrian project alone along this segment. And the cost that started to come back for that project made it prohibitive. We resubmitted that project as a highway and pedestrian project. It did score well enough to get into the plan. It is several years. It is not much as funded at this point. This is several years out, and we'll have to keep making its way up in the schedule to happen. But the good news is it was included in the plan. Zoo Parkway, Registry, Improvements, Improve that intersection with right away in construction Slated for 2022 According to the current plan US 220 business from vision drive the Cattle Road This is another project to widen the multi lanes again. This is in the developmental Program which means it's more than five years out from from 2020 But it again, it is included. It, it's recognized as a significant needed project. Project in red here, this is one that we did have an impact due to the funding constraints. This would be US 64 from the bypass to east of 73.74, again widened the multilanes, reconstruct interchange at 49 and 73.74 and replace that bridge. to enter change at $49,000,000, and $73,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, the cost of that project. US Highway 64 east of I 85 business in Lexington, Nashville. Again, widened multi lanes. You can see the schedule there. One that I know several of you attended the informational meeting on this is NC Highway 42 from East Hallsbury Street to Dixie Drive to widened to three lanes. The good news is right away is in progress however construction has been pushed back to fiscal year 21-22 and under the current plan. Likewise, Pineview Street, which has been informational meetings on from Sylvan Street to the US 220 business, again widen to a three-lane cross-section, right away again is in progress but that construction has been pushed even further out to 24 and 25. We also have US 220 business from Ridge Street to Atlantic Avenue, a re-enlinement of Atlantic Avenue with some access management controls. That is a good project that makes free up some movements at that location. Still right away in progress in construction 2020. So again, as Mr. Moffit said, these dates are squishy. And it's going to depend on how funding these problems at the state level get resolved. And hopefully I do. US 220 business from Cattle Road to 311 Extension. This is mostly in Randall men, but with a little piece in Ashbro right away next fiscal year with construction in fiscal year 22 and 23. A few other projects have note we were glad and we had submitted an advocated for sidewalks from executive way on the north side of 64 to Dublin Road crossing on the south side of 64 to the shopping center, one more shopping center. That was identified in the plan, thankfully. Remember that also means we will have some local matching dollars at that time too, that we'll have to bring to the project we want to keep it on schedule. But thankfully that was a new project that was included. I mentioned on View Street, aviation related, the construction of the taxi lane Street, aviation related, the construction of the Taxi Lane Extension, access road and new access road is within the plan with construction identified in 2025. An ongoing project that we have that's identified in the plan and we're actually in the engineering phase, Council authorize the contract. I believe last month, a month before for this project and this is the RCC sidewalk from their continued education building to their primary parking lots. So that will be, makes some important connections on the south side. We'll probably have to start looking at some improvements on the north side as they continue to develop out there. But that is a summary. The good news is we have several projects. We continue to, under the prioritization process, we continue to score well and beat out other projects that are submitted in our division. The bad news is the money is tight. So we'll keep you up for us as we get new information. I'll share with you some giant numbers. You know, nothing major. The highway department spends $67 billion a year. That's a lot. Right now they're sitting on about $4.23 million in cash. That sounds like a lot. They're stacked toward floors around. It varies, oh, just a percent budget. 220 to 250 million. Due to poor project delivery, the legislature put a budget, a cash budget cap on them of a billion dollars. A lot of this pension on the slings too far apart business. That's one of the things that got them down to this cash crunch. That finally, though, when they realized where they was at, they were spending $193 million a year on growing plants for six and seven years out and to give you an idea of how little 423 million is a then third difference between the minimum for what the guys done three weeks So These dates are really soft yourself. Well, a new badge will come around. You know, and it's just got to be some of the smaller things that cause those different funding sources better get smaller vehicles, etc. But it'll be better come to I want because they'll get into a new budget cycle. You can have it in a 20-year period. Yeah, it will be smaller. This one will was smaller. This one was smaller. And the response time of thing, what has it done for three, four, five years getting that money back? That's a... It's always a reasonable one. I don't remember the number of the day on the news what what it was going to cost to fix highway 12 or local coke. Well that's an annual budget they did that every day. Yeah but it is. Yeah but it is. It's washing away for you. It's a chemical. Anyway it's just of course next day it's suspended any highway leading projects since last May. It was very little in April. We'll see some construction projects. Construction is not in maintenance, but all these gross dollars of the floor and the ceiling are combined maintenance and construction. This is just. They still got a higher increase on too. They supported, like, a 1500 of these contracting inspectors. You know, they were, people retired and were hired new employees for the revamp in other time of the plane. All right. Yes. Seven B, you have a list of people in serving on the development of the land sharing community. Thank you, Mayor. We have a list in our back. Oh, you, okay. No. I looked at one. I didn't, I didn't. I didn't. I wasn't sure I saw it. Okay, great. Rio briefly, we are getting underway with the land development plan. We've had a kickoff meeting for this project. And we have received interest through the solicitation that we've done from individuals. They had an organization that's interested in serving, which you have in your packets. My recommendation at this point, this is not time, it's not crit mission critical on this one. I would recommend that we, we wanted to get you those individuals who applied. This is really an opportunity for you to reach out or let us know some additional folks that you may want to be part of this. We want to make sure everybody's included and considered that wants to be a not sure that word has completely gotten out that this opportunity is there. So we'd like to do maybe another month of outreach. We've got great people who have offered to serve. We just want to make sure we're not leaving anybody out. Our recommendation would be to come back in October with any additional and make those appointments. Great. So the city status of the Royal Private Government is properly listed in the 20th, 23th Central Business District Redevelopment Plan. Thank you, Mayor. We did want to update the council on several of those projects that were contained within the adopted Central Business Redevelopment Plan. We're going to first talk about no number two right next to City Hall, which is a 170 North Church Street. We were disappointed last month to learn that the proposed developer on that project, which is a senior housing complex. Landmark asset services was not awarded the tax credits that were necessary to close that finance and gap. That was a surprise to them. It was a surprise to us. If you remember, the city initiated this project by reaching out to Landmark for their assistance and to gauge your interest due to our experience with them and really their well documented and successful history of these type of historic rehabilitation projects. So that's the disappointing news. The good news is that Mr. Auburn and I talked with them last week. And I would say they remain firmly committed to pursuing the project and to building this project. We at the student property. Right, and they're still interested. All parties are still interested in moving this thing forward, which is good. We support Landmork's resubmission, ever request for the tax credit financing for the project in the coming year. And if there's no objection, this doesn't really require an action council, but we do want to get it in the record that the city supports re-inatiation and reaffirms our commitment to the project by way of reference to your adopted central business redevelopment play and this project is contained within that. The redevelopment commission earlier this week voted to recommend that the project be reinitiated and this is important for the way these applications for financing are scored by housing finance so we do want to make it official that we do support the re-initiation this project as does the redevelopment commission. We do expect representatives from landmark to be present next month and are hopeful to have a resolution for council to consider that makes this even more firm in terms of our interest. If that's okay with the council, we'll turn to the ACME Complex, which is on the east side of the railroad tracks, 159 North Street. Since earlier this year, we have had several informal conversations with, we would say our experience developers who are proficient in repurposing historic buildings such as that facility, especially for residential use. These discussions have led to the sharing of some information and we think that there really is a potential for both market as well as affordable units within that facility as well as the potential for some commercial space as well. So I think that's good news. It looks like that potential truly exists. It is our opinion that due to the size and scope of this project, this will be the biggest project that we've seen downtown if we can get it going. What the manager and I recommend is that we secure the services for an independent review of any developers, a performance of financials, especially since whoever develops our project is going to be under very similar in tight financing, structuring constraints. So, whoever ends up moving that project forward, we'd like to have an independent analysis performed of those projections. So to that end, Mr. Auburn has received a proposal from the school government. Fortunately for us, the school government has a development finance initiative through that school that does this very thing. They look at the specifics of proposals to advise local governments on viability. We have received that proposal to look at financing cost assumptions for any project. And that amount, it's not cheap to do that. It's at a cost of not exceed $20,000, but we think that, again, whoever does that project is this is gonna give us value in terms of whether we're getting real numbers or not, especially if there's some city financing that maybe you may need to be a part of that. What has to be done on the does an excessive sum out? It be a part of that. What has to be done on the investment excess is something I've done. It is a lot of money. Sure. That is a lot of consideration efforts. That's right. That's right. We feel comfortable with that. And actually the funds are there for this outside assistance. We don't need formal action from you at this time. But we wanted you to update you on where we're at in with that project. And obviously we'll continue to report as we, you know, this thing continues to move forward. So in terms of the final update, I think Mr. Over is going to do the item three there. Yes, Marama quickly, the city of Asheville, to the state of the San Diego, the front and the Sans on the back. If you're not seeing it that night, go on that boat tonight. We'll run them having two fronts because of the trucks in the building. We started the parking lot on the back. The band was straight front. Today we move forward, we anticipated, we're planning to open, have a running cutting and view of the public on the Friday night of Christmas on sunset. So it's just handled with the Mayor and the Council and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the Mayor and the This calendar has another contract and we're began to look at staffing and all that is so today I've proved a lot because of our high school, black guards, the seasonal health part time health because we'll have a pool of something here right now. We're looking forward to it. Are we saying a date? Excuse me, I'll turn to Christmas. This is Santa Claus. It's a double-edged second-party. A double-edged second-party. So we'll be in the tank. We're trying to get a parade and take a parade. Christmas, Christmas, and so on. Can we do it? Thank you. We'll have a big impact on the property, obviously, process street and the gym track there for folks. All right, Mr. Leonard, do you have an aid consideration of the petition from Leonard Layton's question, continues any explanation? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This item was presented at the August 8th Council meeting. The resolution has been properly advertised and now is the time for public hearing. Anyone in the room that would like to address the Council on the item request for a continuous annexation in 1126 Oakland Avenue? Nobody in the room except staff. So I'll close the public area. Yes sir you have in your packets annexation ordinance prepared by the City of Darning make an annexation effective upon adoption and we recommend adoption by reference. I'll entertain a motion to adopt my reference. Mayor Mouli, would you adopt the old next week? In the seat of the next co-reference. I have a motion by Mr. Kabel. I have a second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. The B is approval work authorization number three between the city and the VK Dix for airfield lighting system. Yes sir, this is for the replacement of our 20 year old outdated and lighting system at the airport includes runway lighting and fappy lights. It is started beginning to give us many issues. This approval was for design bid phase of the new airfield lighting system and upon completion the design the Asperger Regional Airport was also most likely to be receiving an additional grant from the NC Division of Aviation to cover 90% of the construction installation costs and this will be above and beyond our annual grants that we get non-primary entitlement. The design bid phase does qualify for the use of non-primary entitlement funds. You have before you the work authorization three between the Ashboro Regional Airport and WK Dixon for the design bid phase services for the new airfield lighting system and staff recommends adoption by reference Move to adopt my reference second. Second. Second. Well, I'll catch you down there. Yeah, I know. That's quite tonight. This note made a good second. Discussion? I'll say aye. I'll pose. Motion carries. the proposed motion carries. H.C. A. They don't have update council request for the portion of west bridge. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The city survey is surveyed the existing right away and adjacent properties and is producing a map for the proposed closure. This is of just a sketch roughly showing the proposed closure of West Pritchard Street. It's approximately 160 linear feet that will be closed. It'll also include the installation of a turnaround for garbage trucks and safety vehicles. If all parties are agreeable to design, then we can begin the closure in the right Okay. We can see. And a day of council request by Mr. Hamilton for assessment for traffic issues in the park. Yes, sir. On the morning is September 5, 2019, the engineering department received a letter from Mr. Harold Hamilton voicing several traffic concerns at Lindley School. Most of the concern most of his concerns were during the morning hours for the drop off line, and included the blocking of resident's driveways, leaving no ability for angress egress of their property, double parking, and the relocation of resident's garbage cans, leaving them not emptied by by our crews because they were pushed off the road. And then engineering has forward this letter to Ashburp PD. They've been monitoring the school during these hours to note these violations if they continue or not. Continue to occur and after a couple of weeks we'll plan on discussing alternative or possible solutions to the problem. We're getting rid of the side of the glenologist. Most of us on the cliff road, when we lift, Randolph and Haster. Haster is terrible. It is awful, awful, awful. For decades. Yeah, but it seemed like me gets a lot nervous more this year than ever. OK, is there a major bid tabulation? Yes, sir. Informal bids were advertised and received on September 5 by 10 a.m. Two bids were received, one from learning environments incorporated in the other being the sports flooring group. The low bid was for $76,510 from learning environments and staff recommends approval as submitted for the bleachers at the gymnasium. at the gymnasium. And it's for 63 feet. It'll be on both sides, 63 feet. It's a lot of water. Yes, tell us about it. It's a lot of water. Yes. Okay. Great. Um, motion to prevent, prevent, or check that. We have to move the little bit. We have a motion about Mr. Bell. Do I move you to the other side of the room? I have a second. Just a moment, Mr. Schleer. discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Okay. In turn, it looks very all on me. Oh. That grand opening night is going to be a show place. That staff is such a wonderful job on that building. It's going to be quite a show place at night. It's going to be a show place at night. It's going to be a show place at night. It's going to be a show place at night. It's going to be a show place at night. It's going to be a show place at night. It's going to be a show place at night. It's going to be a show place that week, maybe they can finish before you. All right, coming events, serial sale for 9-8- this weekend, Saturday at Bocentennial Park, 9-12, Jeff Allen vibes the serial. If you're not interested in buying serial for yourself, come down by 20 bags for CUC. Tyler, is your own or CUC or make a cash donation and let them buy the bags. They'll be there to take the cereal from you if you want to. Like to the visual picnic at Holleridge golf course, who makes wings to you at six? We're going to go on a wing. Yes, you've got your hair 530? 530. 530. All right. You've got your hair 530. I do. You're on a wing. The Friends of Library signature series, Eric Montrols is coming. He said, you've got a jump in 21st. That's an excited unitsaturday in the... So we... Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Seven to nine. Retirement, lunch and four, Jody Williams, chief Jody Williams on Tuesday, September 24th at Public Works at level 30. Senator Dahl adults annual meeting, the 26th at 2 p.m., the senior adults center over here, and swearing in ceremony for the two police chief, Mark Lyonbury, on the staff, to the second of the three third public works. I can't believe she got the thing. We're following that. Mayor Lemme and one more thing. I can wish you a good thing. We've voted that. Mayor Lemme have one more thing. I can apologize. I don't have a read just up close. The fire department is a proud member of the Patriot War sponsored by the U.S. Army National Guarding Reserve and supported those, employers, and the industry and excellent support. It's their national guardsman. Police Department employee Jack Pryner is a national guard. Sergeant D. Dominated, Chief Willie Sungers and Patagon Chief Brian Lewis to receive this award. We received the award on September the 18th. Next week's the 2019 at 1p at fire station number one. At fire station number one. We'll put that out. This week, we should put this here very proud of that one. 4.8. We used to use September 18th at 1 o'clock. Or the same, Army 1300. I'm going to get killed. I don't know. Anybody get in. All right. Oh, good push. Yeah, I know. You know what I'm saying. I'm just a little scared. Keep it up. No. I'm just a little scared. Just what? Very good you like to mention. No. Yeah, I guess. I would like to make something. I had someone to call me just before I came to meet him from Maryland, Baltimore, Maryland. And they want to know what could they do about the conditions on the Central Falls Road, the C-D-F-O. Oh, C-D-F-O. All the C-D-F-O road. There, of course, would be like a private club or something. Got a place and got to build in the back of the South and it's supposed to be some kind of club. They have property across the street. And last week, somebody had a van parked in the yard. Somebody ran in the yard totally lost the van and they've had their mailbox of fixed three different times. Oh Central Falls. Oh see the falls row yeah and they wanted me to ask the City Council tonight what could be done about that situation. That's not even the city. I don't know. They said he had a seat thought it was. Well I said I'm not sure it's kind of goes even now right there. Oh yeah. Jake. It goes in and in the city of Falls to us. It's a simple thing. I mentioned it was after the meeting, get a little more information on her. At least you might send people out glad to look at it and see what the issue might be. If it's something we can address in the city limits, great, if not, then we'll pass it on to the Sheriff's Department. See what we can do. Mr. Dwarf. Thank you. First time I ate it, there you go. Not saying I've been there a lot, but people have seen me there. The director of operations came up to me and he was very complimentary of our city and he asked me, so everybody here really nice and happy all the time. I said, well, just 26,000 of us. There is one around. One old branch. But he was so complimentary of how, There is 180 browns. Oh, no, no. So we went in. Yeah. But he was so complimentary of how, what a great ease of process to get a building up and a business running in Ashburg. He started naming names of people that work in this building and not that public works. He just couldn't be complimentary enough. He was very gracious and he even mentioned another building that was approved the exact same day and they hadn't they had yet to stick up a wall because of another city that isn't as nice and friendly as Ashburn. We're interested in making it that way. We keep it in that way and letting these people know that we're going to be in trouble. That's what I share. And we went out in our way to make that happen. He's well pleased. I'm glad you're doing it. I'm grand donor. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm sure we'll enjoy that. And it's all like your ruined nationals and suits. See that, right? All right. Lunch for ourselves about six weeks ago, hops, you know, 40 got open. You know, nice. This next sign is fine. Yeah, I mean they just don't want to build another one, you know. Anyway, I hope everything finally gets worked out with highway and apartment eventually. This will affect everybody's economy. It's a lot of money not getting fixed enough. It's clean. We fail. But anyone, other than that, things are going well. There is a background work, there's a bunch for working. I look forward to the very general exercise. A, is exciting. It is first class. Trevor, would you like to introduce you? Thank you. Yes, Dr. Ferre. Real briefly. Pervist, Dr. Pervist Sharmer is working with the Community Development Division for the next few months as a... I don't know what you're going to say. I can. P-U-R-V-A-S-H-A-R-M-A. I send her a lot of emails but she's helping us. A great deal as we kick off the land development plan and the recreation plan with some data analysis and surveying and things of that nature. So we're glad to have her aboard and look forward to getting these projects, these planning projects going. She is completed. Yep. Yep. Yeah, I should you a lot of people asking if she's learning anything and I'm more quick to say we're learning stuff. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. I want to take an opportunity to speak and staff here, but I wanted this to be in the record that our American Legion baseball team this year for Randolph County did as proud, representing Randolph County very well in Asperin and the high schools that we draw from. Those kids are top notch. They did something that is very unusual and not very common, I guess. When the Third Consecret trip to the American Legion of World Series in Shelby, and something that is even less common owned one of the two championship teams. He was, they got eliminated in the 70 finals and he was chosen as MVP of the World Series. And the only person that's ever done that with Mother Richards back in 1962. I know. He was also... No, I'm sorry. I said he was beaten. That was right. Mother Richards was beaten. He was also a Marish O'Lean Legion national player in the year, which is just an incredible thing. Those guys, talking about him first class, they did himself proud, but they represented Asperger and Randall County very, very well. People know where Asperger, a few American of baseball know where Ashpur is and Ron and Pugh is John said to me, so whatever it is in coaching, Ron and Pugh has it. He gets the best out of these kids year in and year out. And our own Lieutenant Travis Curry has forplished Department of Son, Officer Curry. The great player is a great player on that team. Yeah, and he plays college ball also. The interesting thing about Travis is that I think he called for the Iron Man Award because he called the problem middle of the season, he called every single game. Every game, every game. Just, you know, feeding man. And being, being a catcher at the level is just punishment. And he hit the ball away on the playboy on him. Trevor Marchworks for the scene. It's his. Works for the C. It's his. Works for the C and some job in the college baseball at UNC Wilmington. So I fully expect we will be hearing the name Trevor Marsh for the evening of the years to come. I just want to thank the Food Dinner perspective. 93 players in the hope and the major league how to play and play American League Base baseball. So that's quite a lot more happens. Okay, you have John again. Mr. Bell. This can get you deep down into the Sarah and Carter. It's, uh, it's unfortunate. Just a matter of time. Oh, I want to just the way. The opening. Good trip. I think it's a good trip. That's the end of the time. OK. Mr. Swirley. This I was impressed and moved by the 9-11 of the wall service at the Bowen Barber and the Junk for Police Department. It was very fitting tribute to that excellent. Hearing the Ascirian at 825, or quite moving, that was a nice, nice memorial service. Everybody remember where they were? I was here sitting alone. Remember very proud that you came in and sitting here with Lord Lord, I'm going to go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of the room. I'll go to the other side of