Welcome to the Thursday Mark 7th Regulus regularly scheduled meeting of Ashford City Council I would like to remind everyone in the room that this is being live streamed on YouTube Please Council please speaking to the microphone if you're able and if you Adjust the counts from the podium, please know the microphone up there. It's live. To the microphone, if you will, is one of the first meetings in a while where we didn't have a crowd in the hallway. And so at this point, I'd like to invite each of you to stand and join me in the moment of silent meditation. Our city manager, Secretary Joanne, took a little fall in yesterday or they were for him, broke her arm. to keep her in your prayers and we will follow the meditation with the reciting of the Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God in the visible with liberty and justice for all. I'm like to first item of business on the agenda, I'd like to call on our district attorney Andy Gregson who will introduce a possible couple of people and we'll talk about Project Safe Neighborhoods. Mr. Griggs, and welcome, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, councilmembers. Thank you for giving me a few minutes tonight. I have two purposes. One is to discuss Project Safe Neighborhoods and give you an update. You and your police department over the last almost five years has made a substantial investment in this program. And we understand that. And I think it's my duty to come back to you periodically and tell you where we are. Tonight I brought with me, the other reason I'm going to talk to you is really pleased to be here on the night to honor the retired chief of police Mark Lombary. And I'll have a few more words to say about Mark and his participation in a minute. I've got with me, you know it's important when I've got the power and the mastery of the federal government with me. We're sonified in the personal assistant U.S. attorney, Rob Lang, who is a key player in projects safe neighborhoods here in the Piedmont district. I've got Rodney Trogman, who is the director of projects safe neighborhood in Randolph County. And I've actually really pleased tonight to have one of my assistant DA's, a stroller from Guilford County, Miss Page Fish. She lives up in the Arstell Trinity area and she is here with us tonight. Page is doing a great job for the people around off county. So yes sir. Not to throw it off, but I make this offer more often than not. If you're interested in moving the ashboro, it will help you move. I've been working on that. He's good when I am blessed that I could not be any happier with my staff as a whole. I said discussion for another day. You know, it's been said and it's true that a community that tolerates violent crime will get more violent crime. And we're seeing that play out in real time across America in the communities that tolerated and even sometimes made excuses for violent crime. And there is no exception, it has not gone well. They engaged in the silliness a few years ago as a defunded police, brilliant idea. It's worked out well, everywhere's been tried, hadn't it? So, about five years ago, Randolph County was faced with an unprecedented problem. Things we'd never seen before. Gang violence, drive-by shootings, and we were at a crossroads whether we were going to tolerate that as a community or not. Now I'll be the first to tell you that you cannot have peace, prosperity, and individual liberty without law and order. Nowhere in the history of mankind has that occurred. There has to be law and order. And you especially cannot tolerate the type of violence that affects the lives and the enjoyment and the pursuit of happiness of your citizens unless you resolve not to tolerate violent crime. And we were at a crossroads. We were seeing things we'd never seen before in this community and got together with the federal government and with all of law enforcement and Randolph County. And we collectively agreed, of course, that we were not gonna tolerate it in this county. Maybe that was unpopular at the time, but that we decided that we were going to give it a shot to go contrary to the prevailing cultural winds and say, no, we're not going to tolerate it. The federal government approached us and said, would you like to talk about projects they've neighborhoods? And we had talked about it years before, and we jumped on it. And we jumped in with both feet and your chief, Lombary was the chief at that time here in Ashbrook and I will tell you that most of this type of violent crime was occurring within the city limits of this city. Now it was spilling over out into the county, we were sent a little bit of it and other municipalities but most of it was occurring right here. And we knew that this was going to be a heavy lift. And I've told you before that, Project Safe Neighborhoods is simply a formal partnership between the federal government, their prosecutors, DEA, ATF, all the other alphabet agencies, probation and parole, DA's office and law. And that partnership is very formalizing, very structured. There's a lot of things you got to do to get ready. It took us about two years to get ready. And at the heart of the program is that we're going to change the way we do law enforcement as it relates to violent crime. We're going to share information across agency lines. We're going to share information across agency lines. We're going to discuss these cases. We're going to work together and establish real partnerships to go after the people who are driving the violent crime. And that began with almost a year-long study of who these people are. The federal government brought a lot of resources to the table through some statisticians that work for UNC Greensboro and we figured out who these people are then we went to work on who their friends are. What is their gang? Where do they hang out? Who's their girlfriend? Is their boyfriend? Where do they live and other jurisdictions? And so on. And that took a long time and then when we started the program we went out into the community and said we got to give these people an alternative at least the ones we maybe can save and so lots of community pieces come together so that when we get all these bad guys together we can say to them you got a choice this day you're going to take advantage of the people in the back of the room and hopefully walk out of here and change your life and we don't have to deal with you. Because it's a whole lot cheaper and easier for you to change your lives. But if you don't change your lives, everybody in this room has resolved to bring down the power of the state and the federal government on your head. Now, I'm gonna apologize for targeting. You know, that gets a bad rap. It's a fair word. You put your target on your back by your extensive criminal violent history. And so that began the program. Now the program requires... You may want to other counsel. A lot of these folks we were working were extremely violent. Yes. Murdered people, shocked people. Yeah, I mean, it was, they're really tough violent. Yes murdered people, shocked people. Yeah I mean it was they're really tough violent. Yeah these are these are not people that drive drunk these we're not targeting those people we're not targeting people who shop live these are people who are carrying guns on a regular basis they're shooting up people's houses and cars they're shooting each other and they're not just doing it here but they're doing it in jurisdictions all around us. You watch the news, you know what I'm talking about. So we began almost five years ago this program and it required a lot of law enforcement. This was a heavy lift. We said to law enforcement, you're going to have to share intelligence, you're going to have to work together, you're going to dedicate TFOs to help us out with the federal cases and you're going to have to when you find a gun you're going to have to come into a room periodically and go through a very uncomfortable screening process where that case is picked apart and talked about and the intelligence is shared and we decide who is the best to federal or state to prosecute that individual. And there's a lot of meetings, there's a lot of lots and lots of unfortunately, especially for your executives, a lot of meetings to get this thing off the ground. We're just now seeing the fruit of this. And the fruit is undeniable. But the first time since I've been in this county, the prosecuting case has disappeared since March 1st of 1994, we did not have a murder in 14 months. That's the time when counties around us had record numbers of murders. Not just bad years, but record numbers. Now, not any program is, no program is gonna stop certain types of murders. You're not gonna stop domestic violence, you're gonna stop two drunks fighting, stab them. That's not what this program is for. This program is aimed at the people who are affecting the life and the liberty of the citizens of the community. Because you can't sit on your porch, you can't let your kids play on street for fear of stray bullets, and you can't go to the convenience store at 10 o'clock night without being afraid of getting robbed. That's the kind of crime we're after to have an impact on. And it has been a success primarily because of law enforcement in this county. And the reason why I'm making this tour is because I want to say thank you to the employers of every agency in this county. I just did the Sheriff's Office with the County Commissioners on Monday night. But I'm here really to say to you that thank you for the investment you made in allowing your police department to engage in this. And you also to kind of challenge you, that you should be proud of this. You should be proud that your agency bought into it. I mean, you should be proud that Mark Lombardy saw like good government officers ought to do. He saw that we had to be proactive instead of reactive. And he got on board early enough to where we could clamp down on this problem and make it impact. And so, you know, I'm just really proud to have worked with Mark Lombardy, the city, you know, OZM a great deal of gratitude for the hard work he did and the way he pushed his agency to embrace this program. And so I just want to thank Mark Lombardy tonight. And I also want to thank all the officers of the Asheboro Police Department who have bought into this and sacrificed their time. And I think they see the value in it too. So that's really why I'm here tonight. And I just want to ask a couple of people to come up, just a few minutes to kind of give you their perspective of it. We'll let Rob Lank come up and then Rodney, if you would just grant me that latitude. Rob, come on. Thank you so much, Andy. Mr. Mayor, members of Council, glad to be here on behalf of Sandra Hirston, who's the United States Attorney for 24 counties, three and a half million people. This is one of our favorite spots. I'm here for three reasons, him, because he is my partner. He's my partner in stopping violent crime. Rodney, who's one of the best coordinators in the 12 PSN sites we have across our district, he set the structure up and let the model work, but mostly for Chief Lineberry. I get to work with 127 long-forced been agencies in our district. I've been here for 27 and a half years. I've been in this thing for 38 years. One of the greatest parts of my job is I get to work with all these agencies and watch how their management styles are, shares and chiefs and agency heads. And it is just phenomenal to see somebody who's a quiet leader who's willing to spread, spread the credit around to his people and empower his people to step up and do great things, which what they've done. I think they were doing it before. We came here with the strategy, but they've done it in spades. They came for the trainings. They came up their game. They were ready and prepared. We knew it before we came here with the strategy, but they've done it in spades. They came for the trainings. They came up their game. They're ready and prepared. You ought to see us people at these meetings. They're ready. They're bringing the intelligence. They're making us to be able to get the information so we're making the best decision possible about who needs our resources, who we allocate for our limited resources in both state and federal. And what we'll find out in some of these meetings, one of these guys here, we got a good gun case, he's a felon, he's not supposed to have a gun. Ah, you know, he's only 19 years old, make one then somebody says, you remember when he shot that guy and the girl backed up and we never came and bring a bag, you know, couldn't bring a charge? All of a sudden, he's a shooter. Executors wouldn't have known it unless a law enforcement put all that in the bag and we could come out and make the best decision possible. So this has been a joy to be down here. We have all these sites in some of these places. I got to manage it. I got to set the agendas. I got to show up and do about, you know, fifth percent of the work. Here we came down. We spent a lot of time at the beginning. We helped get the model, helped get the training out. Now we pull out. We're a partner. That's all we are as a partner. We come to the meetings. We take our cases and we come when necessary, when we can help a little bit. But we're not driving this. This is driven locally. This is driven by your leaders in your county in this city. And it fits to what you have going on here. That's why it's working perfectly here. The model is strong. The meetings people are making time to come to the meetings, to come with the right information, at the executive level, and at the frontline law enforcement level, there's also levels going on in the community. There's other things going on with people coming back from prison, because they're some of our most repeat customers. That's the highest, especially in the violence arena. Those folks reoffended at a 60 to 70% rate. And so to provide some opportunities so that they don't, that's smart business and that's what's going on in this county in the second and third phase of this. So it's just, it is a privilege to be here, but I want to thank Mark publicly. I tell you, I mean, you know, it's just, I was out of town or I would have been to the County Commission's on Monday, I was telling my buddy that I was playing golf with about what it's like to work with a guy like him. And I told him because I missed his thing last week because I was going. And it's just an honor. Thank you so much for having the foresight to select him. I know Robbie's going to be good. And you've got good people here. And thank you so much. We're glad to continue to be a partner. Thank you, sir. Mayor, I cast members. Just real quickly, it sounds like a lot of work. And it was, and it is. But these guys, they make it a lot of work and it was and it is. But these guys, they make it a whole lot easier for me. And he says, director, coordinator, whatever it is, I'm a part-time employee. There's no way as much as I act like this. It's such a struggle that I could do a part-time if I didn't have good partners. And speaking of that, she's Lombary. And all the police officers in this room have been in a meeting or been a part of this process that I can remember. But one of the best things that we've done and you guys did was the TFO. That has been invaluable because I venture a guess, we could get the numbers. I don't have them so I apologize for that. There's probably been 40-50 cases taken from this county federally. And the TFO is a task force officer. So we have an officer assigned to the DEA Drug and Force Administration, an officer who was books with the ATN. I called it Backwood Firearms. We have an officer that works at Homeland Security Investigation. Yes, sir. And those make a world of difference. One of the things that's been really great to see from my perspective, because I was a probation officer for 32 years. And so I knew that we worked in our silos. And I knew that sharing information was key, because we all chasing the same people at the end of the day. And we're all dealing with the same people at the end of the day. So bringing that together and sharing that information and the cooperation and the collaboration and I've heard the D.A. Grexons have many times, it's the best he's ever seen in the county. We have particular instance and Ramster was a pretty bad crime. Liberty Center Detective, the Sheraton Center Detective. I can tell you in my career, it was time you didn't hear that. So that's what makes a difference. Sharing that information and getting together be willing to do it. And so that's what's made it special. That's what's made it work and folks have stuck to it and energy is still there. I think the last gun screening that we had, Rob sent me an email thinking before it, he said, because some of the places he's seen, they don't have the energy that it round off had. And we were sitting around talking and just congregating after the meeting and sharing just, you know, our friendship. So, so that all has worked good, but a lot, most of that, locally, it's because you guys, and what you've done with the police department, and what these guys do, and I greatly appreciate it. I no longer live in the house from the cigarette mayor, but, I'm sorry. If she comes from Washington, we'll see if we can find a house from now on here. We'll work it out, but that's still, it helps across the county and especially the city. So I appreciate what you guys have done. I appreciate what the PD's done, Chief Lionbury and Chief Brown coming in. He's been a part of this thing from the get-go as well. So the transition, I'm hoping and expecting it's gonna be smooth, and we're just gonna keep rolling on and hopefully keep continuing to have the success we've been having. Thank you. Thank you, Ron. So I'm going to real quick with two stories. One is the case he's talking about is one of the worst cases I've ever seen in 35 years of prosecuting as a murder of a baby. It's a torture and murder of a baby. And it happened in Ramsoor. And bless their heart. Ramsoor just doesn't have a lot of resources. And this kind of case is a challenge for anybody. And what happened because of the partnerships out of PSN is Liberty said to the Ramsor Chief, he said, take my detective, he's yours. For as long as you need it, he's yours to help you with his case. The county came in and said, what do you need as far as crime scene process, and they're yours. Take them. We'll take all the electronics and we'll download them, and that's a complicated process. So for the first time in my career what I saw is because of these partnerships, law enforcement working together, that's a sea change. I hope you recognize that. Second thing I'll leave you with is how we know this program is working as we listen to their jail calls all the time. They know we're listening. I, well, they're told. Clark's laughing because it's usually his clients. And let me tell you what we're hearing them say. We're hearing them say, stay out of Randolph County. They're picking on us. They know who we are and they're not playing games. Those are words actually come out of their mouth. And it's the ones that we've got in there for very, very serious crimes now. That warms the cockles of my cold prosecutor's heart to hear something like that. That means I'm doing my job. Because I'm not a social worker. That's not my job. And so if they choose to play their game somewhere else, that's on that other jurisdiction to get their stuff in order and to have a project safe and they're good. So we've done our job and you should be proud to have people like your chief, like your up-count, your current chief, Robbie, and your command staff, but also your officers are really really stepping up. Even though they're young, they're doing great work and they're taking their missions seriously. So I thank you. That's what I'm here for. Taken enough of your time. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Thank you. Let me add my thanks to you. I know you've been working with Rodney and the crowd on projects. They've never been for a long time and that's playing off. But what impressed me the most was when we convened that group down at the county building and had just about every agency and service provider in attendance and used it up and said, we're not going to put up with this. We're going to nip it in the boat. We're going to stop. We're going to whatever you need will provide whatever we can do to help. And that has made a big difference in our community. I appreciate you and your buying and the buying and all your staff. And Chief Lyber can attest to the cooperation and Chief Brown. I don't think you'll miss a beat. And what is important to all of us is that while Randall has all these different little municipalities, we're one county and we're all in this together. So we will do all we can do to support you and your efforts because I know you're supporting our efforts. And I told a couple of our new promotions that they would not have been put in those positions of authority and command structure if they were up to the job. So we do have good officers and we expect to continue work with all of you and make sure that everything you do here out of the jail down there is more of the same. everything you do here out of the jail down there is more of the same. The not waste your time in Asperger, all county. So thanks for being here. Appreciate your work. And you can leave here too. All right. Part of the authority that comes with mayor is the authorities to delegate. And while I have worked very closely with former Chief Lineberry for a while now and he's done well and represented us well. He was actually a employee of John Augburn and I'm going to ask John to make this next presentation. Thank you Mayor. Chief Lineberry, if you'd come up, Chief Brown, you'd come up. I think the plan tonight was the first time I've known you called him out. Yeah, go through that much. Yeah, go around this side. Okay. It's about a same model in that. Chief come on up from the behalf of the citizens of Asperger. Mayor Smith and our council to present the service flag to our T-line Bridge, Chief of Asperger Police for dedicated services, Police Department dedication to the city of Asperger. Okay, May the fourth of 1992, a serve till February 29, 2024. There's been a significant honor and privilege in Pregnant's Felf. We have to work to cope it together. We've forgotten that part too. You know, of course, the crime stopper are going to go. No, no, no. So, and if you went to a PSN meeting, the invitees, yeah, your guests. Somebody, when I went to that time, somebody slept through that with me. I think that was the first time we got. He went to prison. He was a fact. You know, people with a nerve, thank you all for being here. I have a call with us. Thank you for all you've done. Thank you. for being here, but I have a full of us. Thank you for all you've done. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all for being here. I have a full of us. Thank you for all you've done. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you all for being here. I have a As of course, saying to you, what I love to say to you is that what they all said about the partnership that you had outside of the department. We actually knew about the partnership you had with the department. Especially me. He was one of my first training officers. So coming along the way, you know, the effort came along with me and I just, I definitely want to say that I suddenly appreciate everything that you did for me. And we'd like to present your, your weapon to you. Thank you. And for all your layers of leadership. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate all the, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, for that. If I could just thank the Council again, the Mayor, Mr. Ogburn, just like I did the other day, but I need to mention, you know, the employees of the city from top to bottom, that's a priority, and I'm sure it's a priority for Y'all. I know there's a lot of projects, but the employees is what makes this city go, makes the police department run. And PSN, and I'm sure Chief Crown will tell you when his time comes on the stats for last year, but you'll see a reduction in violent crime just as Andy talked about, like 20-some per se I believe in part one crime. But I also want to thank City Attorney Jeff Sugg for all the help 30 years. And my HR director, I am Mr. Kim, who listened to me and all my plans and called the meetings and some of them went through and more than someone didn't. And thank you, Mr. Reeves, for working with me on the finance stuff. So, and then all the other people I work with in the city has been great. It's been a week. Stayed busy, so, but I think the Asheville Police Department will always keep moving forward. It has for 32 years. I think I worked for five chiefs. And we rode on after all of them left and they'll roll on after I'm gone, which is, well, I am gone. So, and of course, thank you Andy, Rodney Robb. It's been great. And I think we did make a big difference there, and I'm sure we'll continue in that way. But thank you all. And she's going to have to do why? All my wife, Paula's with me. She's fine, my sub-for-nighter. I guess I can be a city grader. I'm going to have to do that. But thank you all. All right. If anybody would like to leave at this point, I will take a brief recess. Let you clear the room. Thank you. Thanks for being here. All right. Next on the agenda, I'd like to call on Chamber of Commerce Vice President Amy Roodle, so you have some retail sales numbers for us. And we like to track those because for the last few years, they keep going up. That's right. Well, good afternoon or good evening. See, I was so worried I was going to say good morning since I said that when you walked in, so good evening mayor, city manager, and council members great to be here tonight. Good morning. So yes, mayor, you were talking about the retail sales or taxable sales. So it's very interesting when you look at these numbers and people back here can't see that, but I do have some handouts here if if people would be interested you can already that I don't know that I don't know that I have enough it's all screened up here it is but I don't have my glasses I'm not sure that they can read those numbers but they can can see the charts there. So I should have just cut some of those numbers. But for some of you that do like to see the trend, I think it's very impressive. So I will just share that the Ashbur Randolph Chamber does get these numbers for the North Carolina Department of Revenue. So we do try to track retail sales as it shows for Randolph County. And it just is very good information to know. So as you can see, on 2023, we have hit the mark and we exceeded $2 billion in retail sales or taxable sales for 2023. So that is very impressive. And then even looking at some of the past numbers as the increase. It's also the largest increase over, well, the chart that's up here actually goes back to 2012. So from 2022 to 2023 was a 22.37% increase. And so that is the largest increase when you look back at all those, those years. And then the chart on the left, the bar chart shows that the last chart is for 2023. So that just shows that increase compared to, and that those are listed by month. So huge increase of the past years as well, looking at 2023. And then also the chart on the right shows a line graph just showing that gradual increase up. And so the what we hit for 2023 is $2,197,527,279. So really, when you just look at that, that's very extensive for what is here in Randolph County. And I will just say that for some of us that like convenient shopping and shopping on Amazon and things such as that, that money doesn't stay here. But this, I mean, that's huge. That money goes and it supports our local economy. So it is very important to shop local in Randolph County because then that goes back to the fire departments, the police departments and all of the businesses here to support local. Those end our general fund and that's my, we as tax players don't have to pay. That's right, that's right, yep. Say. And if you guys will call back to last month, the auditor mentioned our taken sales tax receipts. Thank you. You're welcome. It seems striking that our biggest months are June and July. And I think that's sort of under school is what we've tried to do about attracting outside the government and for tourism and when schools are not in session, people may occasion come into. That's right. I mean for tourism and When schools are not in session people make a case and come into that tree and Traveling with the interstate designation out there if you go to the Hotels out on a Dixie Drive You'll see Michigan and West Virginia and Pennsylvania and Ohio So this is a pretty good place to stop and spend the night. And just think with the Zucity Sportsplex, what's that's going on with you? Right. And this year. I remember how excited we were in 16 when we just crept above a billion sales. And the numbers just keep increasing. So with the sports flex and some of the other things we've got, our tourism, it can only get better. That is for sure. Any other questions for Amy? Thank you so much, Amy. Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to be there. Okay, next on the agenda will be the North Carolina Director of American Diabetes Association Katie Rose Crater in Europe already up there. Okay, you're anxious and get going. Well, no, but I figured I might as well be prompt. Hey y'all, my name is Katie Rose Crater. I am the State Director for the American Diabetes Association. So I am your person for all things diabetes related, and that's probably includes about 50% of you all because 50% of adults in the United States have diabetes or pre-diabetes. And 85% of people who live with pre-diabetes don't even know they have it. And that's just not a sugar issue, that's what will cause blindness, amputation, kidney failure, heart disease, and early death on top of major medical bills, costs of personal living with diabetes or pre-diabetes, about $16,000 extra a year in North Carolina just to live with diabetes. So it's expensive. And it's also hard on your family, the people who you love. In addition to that, we're seeing a 700 percent increase in the number of children diagnosed with diabetes in the next 30 years. And that's a number from the CDC. So that means our kids are going to be facing amputation, blindness, kidney failure, heart disease, and all kinds of other vascular issues. So we can and should do better. So the American Diabetes Association is doing everything that they can to do better and to support our communities in having the resources that they need to do better as well. One of the ways that we are doing that is with our signature fundraising cycling event, which is coming to Ashbroa and hopes to call Ashbroa home for many, many, many years to come. It's called the North Carolina Tour de Cure. And the whole goal is to raise money and increase awareness about diabetes and to support the mission of the American Diabetes Association. The ADA is the largest nonprofit dedicated to all types of diabetes in the world. We're also the governing body for all decisions made about care of diabetes. And we also create the standards of care that every single physician in this country uses when they care for someone living with diabetes. So we're here. We picked Ashbro, I picked Ashbro. I'm from Clayton, North Carolina. I grew up in North Carolina. And when I was looking at good routes, a great community, a place to have a good party, hotels, and it's in the center of the state, I couldn't find a better place and I wouldn't find a better place than Ashbro. So we picked it. The best part about this cycling event, which is on May 18th, is that you are going to see about 500 sea sweets coming in here. So think about who can ride a bike, who's going to ride a bike. It's going to be somebody who's got some money. It's going to be somebody who can spend $5,000, $15,000 on a bike. And that's probably just one of their bikes. There's also a lot of gear. And they enjoy their food. They enjoy their beer. And they enjoy their bikes. So these guys and gals are going to be coming on May 18th. We've been about 500 of them this year. I'm hoping for about 1,000 in the next several years. I had this event before in a years past. I used to go from Kerry to Aberdeen and Beck and we used to have about 1000 cyclists and raise over half a million dollars. So, we're bringing it here and I cannot wait. So we need all the support of the community to make this thing happen. We are hoping for sponsors. We are hoping for our businesses to get involved and anybody you know that's living with diabetes, bring them out. They can volunteer, they can ride their bikes if they want. But the goal here is to bring something that's going to be really meaningful to the community and also profitable to the community and so I'm excited I have a ton of primaterials for y'all there's opportunities for local businesses to get involved as well tables already doing our coffee in our breakfast for Saints as our beer sponsor so we're already we're already having a good time so does anybody have any questions? They are they going to be right? They're going right all around Randolph County. So they're going to go down to C Grove, go up around, go over Birkhead Wilderness, and Caraway Mountains, and come back. So I killed you. Yeah, we're going to make themself. It's the Carrier Aberdeen. It's just a dream. It was too easy. It went downhill No, one's great. Yeah. So we thought we'd give them a challenge. Every mile you go down here, you've got to come back. It is very true. And I'm a cyclist myself, so I know the pain I'm about to put them through too. I didn't, and didn't care, which is not good. I had four mile routes. We have a five-mile route. I'm more of that fellow on the go wing riding the camera man. We do actually need motorcycle support. So we've got, we need motorcycle support, we need volunteers, everything. So you name it. And also, North Carolina Community Emergency Response Team is coming out. So you're going to have all of your emergency response people from the state of North Carolina coming out. All of your ham operators, your amateur radio operators are going to be out here. And it is a professionally managed event. We have a production company coming out from Oregon to manage this thing. So it's going to be well done. Sounds exciting. It's going to be great. And I'll tell you if you're in Thursday, I was going to be seeing it in the carriages going to be one. It's going to be an amazing event. Thank you. Well, thank you very much, y'all. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, downtown Ashbury, Jacob, director, Eddie Corner. You're up, Eddie. I'm here on very serious business. We need to talk about the Summer Concert Series. Before I get started, I have to give Pam Hester all the praise. She has been so great to work with to bring the two-part summer concert series, both Friday and Sunday nights to Ashboro. This thing has really grown over the past, this will be year four since we've added the Friday night concert series. And I just, it's a pleasure to work with Pam. We have lined up nine concerts for this summer. There will be four Friday night concerts and five Sunday night concerts. And if it's any indication of how much this community loves Ashboro and these concert series through the generous support of our sponsors, we have raised over $90,000 to cover and bring these incredible concerts to downtown. So the last thing I'll say before I officially announce our lineup is I'm really, really grateful for the city staff that you all have. I call Debbie and David and Jimmy and Trevor and anyone and everyone, as things arise with this concert series, and they're all willing to step in and help in any way they can in their capacities. So I'm just really grateful to work with the City staff team, and you guys are in good hands with them. Now, let's get to the good stuff. So we're going to kick things off on Friday nights, May 31st, by bringing back on the border the Ultimate Eagles Tribute Group. That one was highly requested and loved. It brought over 5,500 people into bicentennial park. And we're excited to bring them back to get things started. In June, we're taking it to the year 2000, and we're bringing larger than life, the ultimate boy band tribute. So whether you love in sync, backstreet boys, boys to men, new kids on the block, Jackson five or one direction. We have all of your decades covered and it should be a good night. In July, we're going 90s country and bringing Doug Bruin's tribute to Alan Jackson. That is July 12th. And then to wrap it all up, we're going out in 80s with Cassette Rewind, the ultimate 80s experience. We will have opening acts for these concerts and those are being provided by RhinoLeap Productions through their network of artists throughout the county, region, and state. The Sunday night concerts will take place starting May 19th by bringing in the Black Water Band. June 9th, they're bringing a crowd favorite back which is North Tower. July 21st, they're bringing in the special occasion band. August 11th, we'll have Envision and to wrap things up, September 8th the community. We will have a meeting with the community. We will have a meeting with the community. We will have a meeting with the community. We will have a meeting with the community. We will have a meeting with the community. We will have a meeting with the community. We will have a meeting with the community. We will have a meeting with the community. Any questions? Any questions? All right. Okay. Mayor, not a question, but just make a comment serving on the downtown Ashbury board. I just want to say how fortunate we are to have Adi as our executive director. She is doing an amazing job. And it's because of her hard work that we got these sponsorships. So, Adi, you're doing fantastic. We are so fortunate to have you here. Thank you. Okay. You thank you. Good job thank you. Maybe Katie next year we can get one get one of our Friday night shows. I love it and our people would come. We've already told them it's a whole weekend and you know we've got to hook that up. What they got a time. We're promoting it as a whole weekend. So get ready. They already know to bring their family to the zoo, do all that. Great. Maybe we could put a special welcome mat for you on Friday night for that for your event. Yeah. It's a good ride to the zoo. Thank you. Thank you, Eddie. Do appreciate your work. Mr. Reiss, people on Triad Regional Council assistant director Matt Reiss, who facil located our planning retreat session last week. And you've got some information for regarding that planning retreat. Absolutely. And Mayor, Council members, thank you for letting me be here. And I apologize up front. I have no exuberant energy to bring to you. I have no update on boy bands. And you can see my effect on the room already. Yeah. What I do have for you is the synopsis of the hard work update on boy bands and you can see my effect on the room already. What I do have for you is the synopsis of the hard work that you and your staff did. So you'll recall that your staff did a fantastic job of presenting all the projects, providing that detail. In my opinion, being very creative and innovative in some of the approaches that they gave you, and then you all did a fantastic job of being very clear and providing that feedback back to them about what those priorities were. We went through hopefully an engaging process to determine sort of what are some of the overall vision and ideas for where Ashboro can go and what motivates us to prioritize these projects in the order that we did. So I'm going to skip down to the heart of the matter and say that the consensus was reached on that the Trade Street parking was our number one priority. And it was found to be important and urgent in that. We have some money to move forward on that. It's a project that will help us with our second priority, which is the Trade Street Revitalization Project. That would have a new scope to it based on the discussion and interaction that you had with the staff. That was a really good opportunity to kind of be dynamic on that. And then the third project that had the prioritization was the EOC fire station. This combines the federal dollars that you're getting and the project to move that forward improves the ability to have ISO rating for the city so it certainly was an important and urgent project. There were other projects that we discussed. Those are projects that still have some attention put to them. The public transportation project is seen as important but not urgent. Obviously there's some funding issues that you need to address and that one. The Gerald Garden Project is one that we would also look for and see what other funding opportunities could be there. It is considered not important or urgent at the moment that may change as you move forward. And we had some really good discussion on McGrady-Paul Park. And with that, we need to look at some of the details of the lease and the particulars that go along with that. And that might change and revise that project as it moves forward. And lastly, we noted the need to develop a capital infrastructure plan with it. That's the synopsis of what we did and how we got to this evening. I'm willing to take any questions that I can from you. Questions? Thank you so much you. Questions? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having us step through. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. I think that was a comment more about our process than yours. Well, let me move on to our next item if I can. You all have some interest in moving forward on a search process for an assistant city manager. So you will have in front of you a proposal to receive those services from PMATRAID Regional Council. I am blessed to have a wonderful team that comes with me on this project. Two of the folks on it, I'm thrilled to have available to you. One is Rhonda Tatum. Rhonda is the former assistant county manager for Forsyth County and just really insightful on a variety of things and has helped with projects that we have run for assessment centers where we were doing work to select the next crop of officers that would advance into command positions and Rocky Mouche were close to me with on that project and was really helpful. And then Terry Rivers, I've known Terry most of my career Terry is the former Assistant City Manager in RIDSWAL. So both of those folks are going to be available to me to work with you on the project to kind of develop what's the vision that you're looking for on that assistant city manager project that's one that I anticipate would involve interactions with the city council and its entirety involve obviously lots of direction for management involve lots of directions from HR as well as perhaps other members of your staff so we would facilitate that process pull together the vision of what you really are interested in seeing. And then ultimately we want to reinforce back to you that it's your search. It's your process. You all provide that direction to us of how you're looking for what you're looking for. And we're going to provide the technical expertise that you would need on that. Able to answer any questions you might have. Matt, the document that we got mentioned, a search committee, and I'm assuming that we would have some involvement in determining who would be on that search committee. Absolutely. I think the process itself has a certain structure to it, but I would really like to hear from you about these are the things that would be important. So one of the first things that we would put forward is would you like for us to conduct some committee work to have some listening sessions and pull folks together. Is that a listening session of the council? Is that a listening session of top management and staff? Is that a listening session of other folks that you all would deem to be important? And then we'd pull those listening sessions together. It might even be that we use a survey tool to kind of conduct some of that work. And then we come back and present that to you and say this is what we've heard so far. Does that sound consistent? Does that sound like that's helpful? Does that sound like it's moving things in a good direction? And then at that point after we've kind of had that work, then you can talk about, okay, this is kind of the structure that we think is going to be good. We want it to be a collaboration between city staff and council. We want a selection of council. So it's really up to you. It's time consuming. So that's where you've really got to figure out, okay, who are the folks who can participate in this and have the time to do that in effective way. Or is it a smaller group that we would want to work with and move forward? Good question. And I realize that every process is unique and different, but can you talk a little bit about time frame? Oh, time frame. Wow. It depends. So it really in terms of when you would open it up. Now is a difficult time to open up a search for a manager candidate because it's in the middle of budget season. And so everybody's kind of got that going on. As we get closer and closer to May and June, it is possible that you could open up one and have sort of the full attention of folks and that kind of thing. You really don't want to do anything where folks just say, gosh, yeah, I might be interested in that, but you know, I got this other set of immediate fires that are burning and I'm just gonna pass on, right? So you wanna try to pick a time if you can where it's in a good season of flow for municipal management, which probably is somewhere at least in the latter part of April, if not May. Then maybe even later than? It may be that it takes us 60 days to 90 days to get this. Right. That's kind of what we were thinking. And that kind of lines up. But the budget, you get that May June lines up. Get the budget done. Get that major. Yeah. Have you seen the radio show? You can see in two minutes. Right, right. Yeah. It will take a while. It will take a while to get through that body of work. So probably we're looking at getting into the heart of it, I would say, in that October to December timeframe. Again the more that we can have out of the way before we get into December and holidays and so forth works better for everybody. But then you know if we could get to the point of a decision in a commitment by 25 that would really be nice. It's kind of what I'm thinking. Thank you. Good question again. And you may tell him, Esper's got a pretty good reputation. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I'm looking forward to selling this product. So, yeah. Yeah. There are, it's great. You know, I mean, all the things that you all have talked about tonight, right? The growth that you're seeing, the opportunities to do and leverage the resources that you have in your community, the growth that you're seeing, the opportunities to do and leverage the resources that you have in your community, the vision of vibrancy that you have for your community is really, really exciting to be able to do that. And then you've had one of the things that is so important in selling, you've had stability. There's just not a lot of communities that can say that even communities that do well, right? And there's some even communities that do well, right? And there's some big communities that do well. But yeah, it's hard. Right, right. But they may have had multiple managers over the last six years. And that's a hard position to sell when you don't have that kind of consistency. And so you've got that consistency. You've got a manager who people know, which is always helpful, right, that they can say, oh yeah, that's where John Ogburn works, right? And it's been there for a while. So that's really, really beneficial to be able to have that. And we want to take our time. We want to make a good decision on it. So I think there's some really exciting things about it. I think that we can, I'm looking forward to one of the pieces that we try to do is it's called a position profile. And so yeah, we're going to talk about the job, but then we're also going to talk about Ashboro. And so I really look forward to putting together that document with you and seeing one of the things that you really want to highlight and sparkle about the special place that Ashburwood is. So if that's okay with the council, where there is a contract in your packet that is $7,000 for the PTRT's professional services is a budget to item and if we've talked about a budget process, last spring, and so now it's the time. So you've heard of the project this and we were asked to just be approved so they'd be an I can execute it like I said the money is in the budget and we can begin the process. Well, I'll just comment that having been peripherally and directly involved with some searches recently, the fee is extremely appreciative of that. Very appreciative of that. And I would remind the council that the PTRC, we do have a contract with a standing contract that they do our pay and classification analysis for us. So they're down here a lot. Matt, Matt, of course, knows me and Jeff and Debbie Trevor, but he also knows our rank and file people. So he'll have a good handle on the bottom of the pay triangle and the top of the pay triangle. You know the questions. May I have a motion to approve this contract by reference? I'll move we approve the contract by reference. I'll move you by this heat. I have a second. Second. Second Mr. Bell. Discussion? second. Second. Second. Second. Mr. Bell. Discussion. All of the members are aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much. Good to have you here tonight. Thank you. I'm going to work away. The job Java founding data, the Pima Triad, the original, in the 1968, so we've been out of that 1965. So, Ashboro, it's been an assist of beginning. That's my understanding. Yeah, one of the original members, family group, yeah. We appreciate all the participation there, thank you for being delicate. Thank you for the father service serves one of our chair. So Hashtag Road has been just a really important part of the road. We are. So we are approved. Offer our services. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Sugg, you've got some social regulations to discuss with us. And I'll go ahead and fill you up front. There'll be two actions where we'll request the one-of-a-year ordinance adoption. If you're satisfied with the ordinance, and the second part will be a resolution adoption. The ordinance adoption pertains to simply making the change that I was discussing the last regular meeting. You have up on the screen, the fall is originally labeled as option D and gets now been changed to reflect the March 14 proposed effective date of this. The only other change in existing ordinance, the only change is that is to expand the boundary roughly in order to like the better phrase, to try to prevent any peace-sealing it, and continue into talk about it over in a very frequent period of time, with the link in it out. The boundary is extending over to the Eastern margin of Fables Street. It goes down the worst street until you get to publicly own property, such as it it goes where you get the registered East Office on the south side basically the crosswalk at Lawyers Road on the north side of Worst Street it also expands and goes down to on Sunset down to where Hamilton roughly put Hamilton's and the Masonic Lodge driveway is that and I said that was option B. Now it's a ministry ordinance to make it reference to the map as March 14, 2024. We think that gives us enough time if you approve this for staff to put up markings. You set the boundary and that also coincides with the opening of the social district on the first day. You line it up from when that goes into effect so we opening of the social district on the first day. You'd line it up from when that goes into effect so we don't have a change in the middle of that three-day period. We have an answering question. Questions? Anybody? Well, once again, you've done a good job explaining. No question. You did. So many of these here. Mark, you gave me good guidance. What's your morning, sir? Many of you. I'll entertain a motion to amend the social district boundaries are referenced. Mayor, I move we adopt the ordinance by reference with the Zoo City social district modification. Have a motion by Mr. Bell. I have a second. Second. Second, Mr. Moffe. Discussion. I'd like to say that, I struggled with this last month because I voted against this element of it and and I realized I did that after I did it but the vote happened and I must say that's probably the first mistake I made 16 years ago. But anyway, sure scorekeeping. But, you know, as we talk about things here in Ashboro, you know, alcohol is one of those things that kind of symbol where people still fight. But with that said, as I said to Mr. Moffit, I was the second time we did this Expanded and I voted in favor of something and he looked at me and I said well, we've already approved this This is more of a management thing So I can be and I will be well come for the vote mayor and you'll see how vote New hint And you know the comments. Okay. I have a motion. Mr. Bell in a second. I'll miss them off to adopt our efforts. The new bound needs out of outline by the attorney. All in favor, sir. I all opposed. No, I can carry. Thank you so much. Mr. Sugg. I think I'll do it. That's correct. There's second action on this. And this, I'll recite that in seconds, because that was the ordinance. This is the resolution. There is the Z reason I have a second because that was the ordinance. This is the resolution. There is the Zulu City Social District Management and Maintenance Plan. It needs to be updated as well to reflect the change in the boundary. It also will have an effective date of March 14. And unless there are any questions, we'd recommend adoption by reference of the resolution. Questions? Well, I have a motion. Mayor, I move that we adopt a resolution by reference to every guardian management and maintenance plan for safety measures. I have a motion by Mr. Bell. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Ms. Heath. Discussion? On the favor of the staff. All right. All opposed. You actually did tell me that we had two actions to take, and I just... You have a spot down. Once again, I'm asleep. No problem. Um... You know what I mean? That was the trick. Ha-ha-ha. Um... All right. I see here. Urban archery. Yes sir. There's not a lot of change that for what you specifically directed in the last meeting, that specific change is that the regulations now, if you decide to adopt the Urban Deer hunting program, it bans the use of a crossbow within Ashbrow, so that only could, along with the crossbow be included. As a consequence, all references to oaths has been removed from the regulations. So it's just arrows that would be fired from the code. And also, as the government attorney, I never missed an opportunity to clear up something that I'd left vague in previous resolutions in the actual ordinance. In the ordinance in the code of Ashrow, it previously said under subsection C, it's unlawful for a person to shoot or project any arrow shot, pellet stone rock, or other hard substance by means of a boat, air rifle, pellet gun, paintball gun, upgun, slingshot, windshield or any other similar type of device. Well now that it's on the radar, it's not a crossbow. That section is amended to say it's prohibited to shoot or project any arrow bolt. And then later on, crossbow was specifically added just to make it clear. Within the manual that is adopted, it's part of the exhibit, and they part of the code of ash for there also is one additional change we hadn't talked about. And that was a realist who of doing some sort of some entities that felt the need. And it seemed like you probably wanted to address as well, that the issue of poisonous drug, barbed or explosive error has may not be used for taking any game. Some entities that you need to deal with it, therefore it means someone must have tried it. So therefore it's now in the manual that that's prohibited as well. I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have or opt out. Everything else is basically what you saw before. And I will mention one thing. all issued before. And I will mention one thing, there is a correction so you can decide to approve this. I'm not trying to influence that, but if you decide to approve it, there is a type of on the ordinance. It's the first day, but it did not get changed to July of 2024. And the reason for recommending this is February 2023 to first date. If you decide to approve it, I ask the motion to say to approve and submit or no other changes. If it is, as it is, to approve with the modification of the effective date, the reason July got picked is that if you approve this by April the 1st, and I will take of this on your behalf if you approve the ordinance. I need to send a letter to the Wildlife Resources Commission about the urban archery season saying the city wishes to participate and they will want to map and will take care of that and send it to them so it can be published when the time comes for the season in January and February of 2025. April, once the deadline is that. The manual, which is for the police department to work on implementing, it may very well be during the project. We were talking earlier about the budget process. It may very well be that because of the time spent on the efficiency test and the work they do, you may want to charge a fee for the permit, this local permit to do that. Not trying to advocate for a particular amount, I'm not saying it should be large. That's something to be worked out if you so choose in the budget process, but whatever you choose, July 1, 2024, effective eight. It does not impair any ability to hunt, because the season wouldn't happen before then. It also allows for that issue to be addressed. So. What are the places, charges of the end? I am not sure I believe, all the talk I have pits for in May, or I can't be positive about that. It's for in May, not positive. I mean, to perfect stuff, the test is somewhat of a barrier as well. And a lot of people, though, in all places may not have their own permits. If they don't have their own permit issue, you lose the rationale for why. Who's going to be responsible for major lead enforcing this? Our police department, the wildlife people. The City Police Department will have the main role, as far as the unique aspects of the hash-pro-regulations. Wildlife resources officers certainly are empowered to enforce any law, any regulation, but as you would expect, they're going to be focused on the general hunting regulations. But I will tell you, talking with the Wildlife Resources Enforcement Officer for this area, he has been very gracious and was volunteering to work with the city police department as they implement the program and being helpful as they resource for that. So they've been very helpful. But I think their focus would be primarily General State hunting laws the city police Would deal with a work to be paying a policeman do this so therefore it sounds like we should be asking for a Feed in well, I think it ought to be a significant they fifty a hundred dollars Personally, I Like the area going to be I did shooting the air if you don't shoot. That's my, I've got many concerns but the, the, it's going to be complaint driven if you have any enforcement at all and I just can, I have a lot of concern about what sort of tragedy is going to precipitate that point. I mean this. I don't even want nobody striking a match and burning leaf pocket. And I certainly am not having taken that step ahead to talk about the key. The first issue is are you going to approve it or not? That all comes up with the doors. Why the effect of they of July 1 was suggested? If you chose the doubt the order. At one time we talked about times in professional. Somebody had found a room on the paper and going to the council to do some current thing or calling of the herd. Well, we're too big to catch a neuter and send by cow. I don't know if I heard. Well, it's too big to catch a neuter and send by car. I don't know why this will work, but it'll work with cats. Your memory is absolutely correct. That issue was brought up and certainly that can be re-explored. The reason the folk is forced what staff is. Well, this is free. For example, when I asked questions about that, for example, the biologist with a wildlife resources commission says, we gave the example. He said that can be very cost effective on getting a contractor if you have a confined area that's highly regulated. He used the airport as an example. You have a confined area that's highly regulated. You use the airport as an example. You have a defined area. It's regulated. You're sending them in on a set basis. You said that when you start trying to cover a large jurisdiction, the whole area becomes much more cost-effective from the fiscal side to get volunteer hunters who are going to be allowed to go do that for purposes of herd management. John, so it says that hunting is allowed only a tractor partial land that is at a minimum three acres in size. How many pieces of property do we have that description? You can't group them. You can aggregate ifok them. You can aggregate. If you get that worked out, they'll walk the owners. If you work out with your neighbors, you can aggregate. And you must have that written permission with you when it's correct here. From each individual property owner as the aggregate. Nobody riding on the streets. And who's go. What? Yeah. You're going to have to work with your neighbors because we do live. Oh, yeah. We live dense. I meant, and it's not just what a neighborhood or another one off. Yeah. Two weeks ago, I came out of my driveway at the night of the clock. There were seven. Yeah, everything was showing road. What up in Rob Bell? It's going to be so. And since you asked that very good question, I will point out. That's one of the things that goes into the local permit, at least for a minute, is in the provision, which is section 1.0.5 of the manual, or so section C. At a minimum, the following information must be provided by an individual to the Ashford Police Department to obtain an urban deer hunt permit and I'll jump down past some of it to give to this part of documentation describing the property that the prospective hunter intends to use and compliance with the hunting area requirements stated in this manual and documentation of the property owner owners permission for the prospective hunter to use the identified Hunting area if the prospective hunter does not own the property in question So it's just a way to try to get to is it a serious application or they in a position? So the owners got to go out and get people sign up properly on, or is that what we're saying? They had to be able to show that they've managed to find a minimum three acre area in which they can hunt under this program. Do we know that ahead of time? I mean, in other words, they said we've identified four different three acre parcels. They know that perspective, I mean, ahead of time. When you get to permit, they're going to get the documentation. They've got at least one. Now they could add is really seevable. Yeah, they could add other areas later on. And I said, all this is a swimming. They don't own it because it makes it clear within the manual. You can if you own it, that's certainly fine. Yeah. But if you don't with it, but it being the city urban density, you may have to aggregate to get the three acres. And we came back to that, Miss Heap, because if you've got an RT in neighborhood, you may have three homes per acre. So we wanted enough to your right-left front rear that you're coordinated with your neighbors because they've got pets and vehicles and out-of-the-drive way and so it's going to require coordination with your neighbors. We have one person this person doing it and these person right here. Right. And there may be an instance of that way. We get going. Jeff, can you or I know we talked about it. How long is this season? It's going to under this. It'll be allowed to go with the standard season in the fall. Which is what? Uh, Jeff, you used a couple of months off the first to the deer hunter and his own mat. I've never shot a deer malign. I've used a hunt back when you had to go somewhere to find them. But it begins with archery season in September. September. September. September. September. September. There's archery. And then you go to the most winter season. And you can get a quick draw. We're at the Central Region Tim. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross. Tim Ross an extra post. Is that extra? Post. And in some cities, only participate in the urban archery. You certainly are free to change the ordinance, but the way the ordinance is drafted, if heard managements ago, it just seemed like the logical way to present it. Where it to be restricted in any way you want is to say, well, if you're going to allow it, you're in the extra season in January February to allow it also whenever it's a general, a general hunting season is in effect. You know, just can you ask a question and John gave one example, and I'll give a potentially a little antithesis, if you will, of an example. I lived down there in my road, in a much longer over I lived. Now I own well over two acres and across the little city street from the, when that lot was divided out, it didn't have access to sewer, so it was like a lot. Me and my neighbors said okay and I'm telling you just the difference between our two houses. I'm not as strong as I probably never was but I believe I can get a arrow right here in back home. That concerns me. I'm worried about me. I'm worried about him. Because's what we've got there right there eating our little shrub breeze and all that. You know if they needed trimming. That's why I can't pass you. And the wildlife people in the police have worked so hard and come up with the coming and get the permit, get the proficiency test and we know who you are and where you're doing it. Me and my neighbor Rob, we need to hire Robin Hood. Yeah. And the deer slayer. You do have to shoot from an elevated position. Yeah, the rules. Who's telling you how to see a problem? He's next at lunch in my yard. Well, don't aim that way. And the city's got one, nine year three acres down there for that bomb station. So if you transform those to buzz and don't we call them names? I feel like I owe you a precise answer. The question, the answer to the question is for the central area, the deer season for archery was September 9 to to October 27th of 2023 for 2324 season. The urban deer season was January 13th through February 18th of 2024. Jeff, there you go. He said the last meeting, we have to do about April, we have to wait a whole year to do it again. We have to notify a wildlife resource by April 1. Okay. If you're going to participate in the next urban emergency. Can we possibly go ahead and vote not to notify them? And dread because there seems to be a lot of concerns about this. We're, you know, and I mean, can we notify them? And then, I mean, do we have to pass this to notify them? Let me get to my question. Practically, yes. A reason and a reason I say it. Legally, I think you can take any approach you want, but it's a practical matter for us to make an authentic or truthful representation to wildlife resources that it's going to happen. We need the action of the City Council saying that they are lit that you are lifting the prohibition because without the ordinance being passed and let you notice even this ordinance I'm recommending a prospective effective date but by taking legislative action while our free sources are quick to say they don't get involved in a local decision over whether or not you're going to allow the discharge of the air in this case, arrows, if the City Council lifts that prohibition in these limited circumstances, then they'll let the hunting laws take over and they're waiting for the effective decision about your permanent archery, which can't happen without changing that general prohibition. So we could, if we got, if we found some stuff we were concerned about, or I mean I say found some rethought of a few things, we could delay that start date actually. You could remove the exemption that allows people, I have to be careful, the city council can't change any dates, right? What the city council can impact is whether or not an individual is allowed to discharge an arrow or any other projectile within the city. If disordered and adopted, you're allowing that exception for the arrow to be discharged within the city. I just feel like there's going to be a serious education. People are going to be educated. It's going to take a while to. People are going to be educated. It's going to take a while to do that. And I think that's my apprehension on all our parts. There'll be some serious whys and whine odds. Yeah, and I mean, you know, it's going to take some time to get the word out of it. If you do that, you have to do ABC&D. It's been my experience that most archery hunters are more careful than your rifle hunters I believe that, I believe that. I believe they know to shoot from an elevator. I think when they get, when they renew their hunting license or whatever, they get their wildlife manual in here, here are the seasons. And they're going to say, oh, Ashburr has, they won't even know it until they see it in that manual. But Ashburr has had an urban season, and here are the dates for the Ashburr urban season. the National Assembly. I think that the National Assembly has been a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important But you're not going to have a whole lot of people, like Mr. Moffice, and I don't think I can pull a bow to shoot it across my neighbor's day. You're going to have experienced hunters who are going to come out and they're serious. And they're looking at supplementing their food stocks. I know at Phillips Ham, they process deer and they give food away to the different charity organizations to help feed these people who are in food deserts or whatever. And I would just say it with your permission. I just was like, this is not me advocating one way or the other, but just as a way of explaining why we are as a city was proposed for your consideration. And the city is warning that interaction with the police department. There are a lot of specific rules that Ash Road, if you adopt this ordinance, has included in. And it would be easy for people to get tripped up if they don't have that interaction with the police department to get the local permit, because it's going from the manual. Aeroes must be fired from the elevated platform that you mentioned earlier, that is at least 10 feet above ground level, and Ori and it toward the interior of the hunting area. Arrows must be fired toward the interior of the hunting area. No archery equipment, maybe discharged unless the hunter is located at least 100 feet, within the exterior property line of the hunting area. This 100 foot buffer establishes each exterior property line is an area in which no hunting may occur No hunting is allowed home from or across any public right away Arrows shall not be propelled with the 150 feet of the margin of any public right away Arrows shall not be fired from nor propelled with 150 feet of any dwelling Arrows shall not be fired from nor propelled to within 300 feet of the property line of any daycare center, educational institution, church, city park, or other locations where children are likely to be located. So I just use that, that's not advocacy, that's just to explain why we need police department to be interacting so they know what's going on. One question I do have, Jeff, is, or would be interacting so they know what's going on. One question I do have, Jeff, is, because usually a deer won't drop right there. We're going to run. And if they go beyond your three acre area, or whatever acreage you have, is there anything that we can do about retrieving deer on somebody's property who perhaps didn't give us permission to. Even though we didn't hunt on their property, that's where the deer dropped. The provision, great question, and a legitimate problem. The provision that's currently in here says, Hunter shall make every reasonable effort to track wounded deer for the purpose of completing the harvest and recovering the harvest. In the event that a wounded deer cannot be recovered or leaves the permitted hunting area, the hunter shall immediately notify the city police to provide sufficient information to allow police department employees to potentially track and recover deer. No hunter shall track wounded deer on the property adjacent to the hunting area without the express permission of the owner of the property that the hunter wishes to enter to track a wounded deer. That guy put in because wildlife resources made the comment that you will occasionally have disputes because there is no right to go on to someone else's property to try to recover that carcass unless they Marcus and Leslie Grant permission. When the track was wounded there. And there's the deer, there's the hunter, there's the bow and arrow. How does he finish this process? Just hope or a pistol or a bow with three feet? I mean, what happened? I'm sorry for getting down in the weeds, but it just goes on my mind. How does this happen? It's a life. No, it's a life. He's going to finish the overestimation. No, okay. Well, you can fix skin at any hour, I reckon. It's a life. It's a life. I can see me giving permission. Yeah. Of course At least it'll leave at that point. I don't know who ever put it there to take it on with them. It seems to me like a calling program would allow us to be a little bit more targeted and controlled. I mean, I'm no expert on this, but it just seems like something like that might give us closer parameters to follow. Because just because we've got this stuff in this ordinance, I think Walker is that part of your concern just because it got ridden down and somebody can follow. What's it going to be? I think it's pointless to say you know there's probably some penalty for hunting under the influence of alcohol with a firearm and things of that nature you know and I'm sure we're not allowed in the social district and And so that'll take care of itself. And the 100-foot buffer, that's an acre of land. Just to have two acres, if you're gonna fire in, we're, you know, from that. So that just leaves two acres. I don't even know how it's gonna be productive in a certain way, but clearly it must be. That's what people come up with. But, yes, I mean, people falling in the rules is, Councillor But yes, I mean people following the rules is Counselor, how many people you meet awake make poor decisions I ran into him often in the land of poor decision-making they got a building for Dr. Place you know round one has had just a few years right? Does anybody had any information for Antlin? How this worked? How many deer has been killed or anything? I haven't received any reliable information about that. Good to say we're all life resources. We'll give you that information as to how many deer have been killed during urban archery in those ridiculous years. How might I be interested there? How that's worked out for them? It works out till it. We can we can we can dig through random one if they can if they got the data they have a very minimalistic program which means they just urban archery has allowed these dates. That's why some cities do it and I say we're more elaborate and this proposal than a lot of cities are. And that's just to your point as far as on data collection. This ordinance does attempt to do that because it does have the provision that during normal office hours within 72 hours is the harvesting of a deer, 100 participating in the urban deer hunt. Shall telephonic report to the Ashboro Police Department of Recreation, just the number, the time, date, place, and sex that any deer harvested by the hunt. But a lot of places are going to last for that. You got that, you got it. This is going to upset a lot of people too, you know, shooting deer. It's going to go kind of both ways there I mean but again that's why we chose the three acres you've got to coordinate with your neighbors I'm just going to imagine if you're ever going to see tell me about that you know you can just imagine a ten or twelve thousand square foot lock with a house on it and you don't own it beside it, you won't. Yeah. And I can't emphasize enough, I'll be happy to go back and research more and change the text. That's where we're in order to give you a vehicle to make a decision. This is what is being offered at this point. Happy to take any guidance. I think we like that already. And, Jeff, I understood you say if we had any intention or desire to get it in place for this season to think it's got to be pretty much done this evening. Well, I think we have to do it this evening to get it in the publication. Right. Yes, I mean, we can't. Yeah, I mean, 100 gets as nice as it gets to be. Yeah, we could say, yeah, I mean, 100 gets a license and gets to vote. Yeah, just for something. We could do it, but it just wouldn't be in the publication until the... Right. It's somebody to have. Because I've been informed that we would get inquiries once you're inside the publication. The document. The document. The document. The document. I don't know if it's right or not. I don't know on it in June. We're going to do it next year. That was just a publication plot to the next year. You understand the same dilemma the staff had, it drafted the rules. Well, traditionally nothing can be discharged inside the city limits. In fact, the first 20 minutes of the meeting, we talked about discharging inside the city limits. So we have tried to the best of our ability to establish something that prevents, allows it, as well as allows the urban archery dare season, as well as protects public safety and protect the neighbors around it. Is it ideal week we don't know a minute? Right now if you adopt it, we would have to run a potentially a pilot program, but you can't have a pilot program without adopting the regulations? I can see this being a reality. I think this is as probably as prohibitive as most any in the state we've talked about. Although it's not overly prohibitive, at least in my thinking, but there's places with a whole lot less rules that I would say may way more attractive for the average hunter to Go to going reason somebody's gonna come here's probably a specific invitation Or thinking maybe to crowd smile Yeah, and he may try to place her to to do to do well with it I think the Flow I cannot get past and there is no answer. That deer is gonna take a mighty clean shot, take a deer down with one arrow. I think now what do I know. But that deer is gonna take some steps and you know during you gotta go with 100 feet and he's on somebody else's land and then what are you gonna do? Knock on door, right? I think there's about a half dead deer running across the backyard. You're a man fast-pro over there and see if I can catch throat. And you know because I'm supposed to be going home. That's the scenario. And the chance of you doing anything with that deer without a for-withler to carry it out. Oh yeah. You know, you're not gonna throw it over your shoulder. I'm gonna be going, what kind of mess if I got to clean it up now? They knock on my daughter, you know, but I'd be like finished the job. I don't know what to do. There's very little finish in the job once you've shot one with a broad head bow. Okay, sooner or later, sooner or later it's going to bleed out and it's going to drop and where it drops is where it drops it's not going to get it's rarely ever going to get up in the run again if you've done a good clean shot it makes a hundred feet yeah that's the that is that was my concern I personally know people that thought as a I am. And can you imagine? I can. I personally know people that thought as a clean shot, they said, no, you can't get on my property. You'll never get there for a whole year and go get to. I was saying, yeah. So it's, I can tell you, randomized by hunting his farm for 30 years. And in those 30 years years he's killed. I think he says six or eight deer in excess of 200 pounds this year he's killed over a dozen over 200 pounds. So I can't pick up a 200 pound deer and drag it out there. And I can't even chew on it all. And good chance I'm not gonna let you take the pole across my property to get it. Well, it gets down if you've got to have this many rows, if you talk about doing something. I would go and run a row, but if something didn't, it wouldn't. That's the way I'm going. That's the way I'm going. That's the way I'm know what I'm not yet. You're a native of this. We, as a staff, we found, getting Stanford had 10 acres. I had a smaller number. They wouldn't let you aggregate. Oh, Paul, yeah. They had to have- Thank you. They wouldn't let you aggregate. I'm not sure we're bringing the country to the urban and was that really a good thing. Well, and John, you and staff did what we asked. I mean, you did what we asked in producing this, but I just feel like there's enough concerns. I just feel like there's enough concerns that we just should table it. Okay. Well, so that we have to do something. I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we approve this ordinance to establish an urban archery deer hunting season within the city of Ashburr for the requirements of here. And should it pass item, was this? E section four changed the date to July 1st. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay, that's my motion. Thank you. We did. Got a motion. I'll put this forward. If you want to restate that motion. As a motion to approve our reference, the City of Ashford Urban Archery Deer Unning Program ordinance with the modification of changing the effective date, you have passed to July 1, 2024. That's what I thought he said. All right. Now, do we have a second? Ocean dies. I did this. I got beat four to three. Ocean dies for lack of a second. Motion dies. I did this. I got beat four to three. Motion dies for lack of a second. Is there another motion? Is there any other motion? Should I make a motion to table? I'll make a motion that we table this. You feel good about that? I do feel good about that. I'll second that. We have a motion to table. Well, while we table. We're going to bring it up. Keep bringing it up every meeting. Well, my purpose in tabling it is for us to look at some other alternatives. I need to read my motion. I can hang on there. All right. I'm motion by Ms. Heath, second by Mr. Seuiers, now discussion. What's the purpose for tabling? My purpose for tabling is for us to investigate some other options. Because I think we can agree that the dear problem is a problem. And we need to do something. We need to do something. So that's my purpose in tabling. All right. Any other comments? I'd recommend to suggest that if we do get some other information that staff can bring it to our attention that we've found other options in terms of what's working, elsewhere, effectively. And then we can just address it a new. I'm afraid if we just table it, we're going to table it when we end to the next meeting or just indefinitely out this thing if we just let it die for lack of vote tonight. And if we find some new information, there's word of our discussion in this tab. We'll remember it. We'll bring it there. I'm giving that. So you had thrown your second. Because that would do it. I didn't second I'm giving up. So you were throwing your second? Is that what that was? I didn't second. I was just, I was just the second. I was throwing my motion. I was throwing Charlie. So Charlie is withdrawing his second? Is that acceptable? We assume that the clearest was just a vote. That's a pass, it doesn't pass. All right, so I have a motion and a second to table. All right, and we've had our discussion. All in favor of approving Kelly's motion to table say aye. I got three. We got three hands. Okay. Did you go? Maybe an ask question. I was in fiberook. I thought I was in fiberook. We're trying to get rid of the motion. We're just trying to get rid of the motion. So the three old men in the table voted to approve the motion to table. All opposed like sign. Sure hands. We got four to three to... So parliamentary vote on two clockwise say is just... Just sit down. Okay, so there is no motion. The motion was defeated. That's correct. Motion failed. All right. But I think it's worthy for staff to explore other jurisdictions. And if we find something that's working effectively, that you bring it to our attention, then we'll take that as guidance. So I move forward with that. No, if we were to find, we just did correct it. Have a professional volunteer, select selected ones. You could probably pull at least that in a less restrictive way if they were Supervisor documented in a certain way and they could have perhaps more a little more leeway than a lot of the Groves would put in here and be more effective. Yes, and in harvesting the deer in little I'll have ten known accurate arousel fingers instead of People to hit a paper bulls-s. Well, that was painful. Yes, sir. All right. I will say this to Jim, I appreciate your hard work on getting yourself in the staff. Yes, thank you. Now back to them cats on my mom. I was here a few years earlier. I see the cats getting the color of the bones. Alright, Mr. Nuddle, you provide an update on last one's business items and it's certainly your relocation of how away North Carolina, one fifty9. Can we stop that? That's what I'm gonna tell you. That's good news and bad news. We had a mate. Yes, thank you Mayor. I did tell the council last month that DOT was requesting specifically the council to repeal and enact a speed limit ordinance on zoo parkway as a result of its decision to remove the NC-159 designation from the roadway. In its place is a new secondary road number SR-3017. The NC-159 designation per this map is being relocated to the zoo connector. So it will begin at the 64 bypass, take you into the zoo and continue from there. We did have reservations about that decision. Earlier this week, Mayor Pro Temp, I'm often not had a call with DOT, where we did relay our concerns about that action and Requests and some information in terms of what was prompting that that decision We were told that it's primarily related to encouraging the use of the bypass to deliver visitors to the zoo And so that seems to be the driving force is doing that is to give a You know direct shot from U.S. 64 to NC1. This is some of the people that didn't want to connect a road to start. We had to allow people to start. Let me interrupt. Sure. John, would you push the air up please a little bit? I think Holly and David are probably about the freeze. Well, I had that there was a strong contingency from the DOT, and just one carque we spoke with, Ruben, Blakely, Division Engineer conducted the meeting, if you will, from their perspective. And there was at least five other upper management people in that, from all over the district maintenance. Yeah, you know, to traffic engineers. I mean, they definitely took a. They definitely took a. Personnel put together for the question. I'll give them respect for that. Now, did they buy. By reflagging me. They believe that when somebody. I don't know who has a paper map anymore, you know, we Google tree up for that Siri or whatever, that it'll say US64 to NC 49. Is that the data? I think there was a question, something to that effect. Specifically, I ask them about mapping considerations. Right. specifically ask them about mapping considerations and and and and quite frankly with a paper map that's a big deal in the early days of Googling ways it was a moderate deal but there are but all of them were using active traffic satellite cam now to throw you on the route. Delicioso is correct. Right that minute. So even if it backs up, you know, it's going to throw you to a different route. It became less of a point. But I think the punch line is. Well, yeah. Our concerns, and we've talked about them here, was that in the future, when we go to the state as a part of the state prioritization process process would we be disadvantaged when it comes to pursuing what are scarce dollars to make roadway improvements. We said that on several occasions and the division was pretty clear with us that in their view there would be no implications in terms of funding down the red. We were following the scoring process through the people that tried our rights at the division region and state level, which in and of itself has no prioritization based on the number of rights. It's project driven from the local jurisdiction. I mean, homes are coming out. Well, homes and businesses. The main point of this is, we'll get to, we had no earthly idea what was going on. We were in a vacuum, meaning Tom, Michael, Trevor and myself. It essentially was already done. Now, that's what they looked at this book. The question that we had, that we started this where the premise was is why our road, not that we necessarily thought they were picking on us, but it just seemed so random. We then found out, as always, you know, the debut of this, There was a program. And so now we're impressed that little O159 made it to US 311, business 311 is now state road. There is no 311 from round them on all the way to Archdale. Archdale to the interstate. It's O431 as it goes through Seeds field all the way in the Greensboro where it comes out for new 4-21 ties in it. I 40, you know, all the way down there through. That's no longer 4-21. I say I saw SR number. So those were the two biggest examples. He gave us to unnumber these, but they consider a state road or a thoroughfare. I have no idea what's driving the change in this nomenclature for what's seen to be a system. We call them thoroughfires, like church streets or thoroughfiring, you know, which avenues of street, if you will. You know, you got SRs and numbered highway and then you got US state route, US and then you get done in the state. But, so that leaves us and, you know, they heard our concerns. They, I think we'll have to ensure that in the future, as we need improvements to zoo park way, we ensure that the loss of the designation and this conversation that we had doesn't have any negative implications. And our ability to get funding, with that said, we do need to take action on the ordinances. The specific matter that brought us here, which is, in fact, two separate motions, the first to repeal the ordinance on NC 159. If you would take that action first to repeal that speed limit, the second action would be to enact it, recognize in the secondary road number that the state has assigned to the roadway. So two motions, please Mr. Mayor. Two separate. Yes sir. The guys that sat there in that meeting with you and promised that it wouldn't have any effect will not be in that job next year or a couple years from now. And the scoring system will be changed at some point to meet somebody else's wins or ideal situation. And we're going to screw me in. Well, this is what we asked for. I mean, if net and health's dark, says you're going to have to make some just argue felt like, well, we're going to keep on with gas from something. The idea was to try to get push traffic to the 64 bypass and taking their own words. And of course, they believe and I don't disagree with necessarily the soccer complex is probably going to draw traffic to 159 either way because it's coming in and out by eating establishments or just that and nothing. Lessor steak kind of than the zoo for ours might be. But anyway, we ask for signage in John Dott already talked about that, especially coming from the northeast in West, you know, because the South is not as big a population center, but what's to add that to it. But on either end of the bypass, you know, 6449 and 64-year, you know, whether it be brown sign or green sign, because you've got paper, blue, to have signs in a Zucini sportsplex, exit 12, six miles. If that's where you want them, let's get some signs of fire and let's be directing them, because that was my other motto. I wanted that to stay a numbered robe. Last couple of weekends, I said, John Tess, you ought to say the track. You just like Zoo five years ago, you know, I was bragging and complaining. And you know, there's several cycles at the age. Four slates. At 64. And zoo part of life. You know, the four car a lot. But we've asked for that. They said we could get back with them and get what sound department and what an unclient problem. They said they'd do back with them and get with sign department and What an unclient promise that they do everything they could Get us right now Yeah, well, and what we they asked us and what we will do is get them as Jonathan sermon receives you know Rentals tournaments at the park and and we can have an idea of attendance. That will be helpful to them in terms of making the case for this additional signage. So that was a positive that came out of the meeting. It was the most economical thing we can do is we can rent a traffic cabinet in and do it or sell. We don't have to hire the MP to do it. They said get us some numbers and we'll put signs up. Yeah, all right. Okay. We'll see. All right. So you have two actions in this, sir. Yes, sir. The first is the repeal on NC 159. And then you will follow that with an enactment. Same speed limit as is in effect now. It just is recognizing a different state road designation. May I have a motion? Mayor, I move. We approve the certification to repeal the speed limit of NC 159. Have a motion, but Mr. Baal, do I have a second? Second. Mr. Baal do I have a second? Second. Second. Second. Mr. Sawyer's discussion. All in favour say aye. Aye. All opposed. There are no we approve the certification to next feet limit 45 along state road 3017. I have a motion by Mr. Bell for the second action here to next feet limits and request for concurrence. I have a second. Second, Mr. Birx discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed. I think I'm going to ask us to do a roundabout down there into sports flex. No sir. My dad's a man. Do we make something? This is the appointing time for public comment period. You see, one audience tonight, those are the other left. That would like to address the council on any items of city concern or business. Hearing none, we'll move on to item 12. Mayor, just for our consent agenda, we just want to acknowledge item C is the ordinance to amend the general fund for the maintenance on the back of city hall or the rear of city hall. Normally, we don't have, I met with Mr. Councillor Embert-Trogden earlier this week and just got him up to speed. Since this budget amendment does not require any movement, just on the expense side, on the revenue side, that's why it's only considered gender. So I just went back to Mr. Trogon for letting me meet with him and get that up to speed. Which item was it? I'm sorry. Yes, the Which item? I haven't seen. I don't see. Then we're here in a 85 year old building. That's why we're under maintaining. Well, I mean, mistake all go. When I said going to toil, we're going to 11. Consent agenda. The other item on consent agenda that you want to remove for individual discussion. And Mr. Mayor one more item age. We we forever communicate council members I think last month we did get the urge of prepared dollars. We've had some discussion about that with, and that's just the grant application. So you know about that too. Okay. Hearing no request to remove any individual items and having heard a couple of updates on the items that are on there, I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as it is in front of you. Later, I move we approve the consent agenda as presented. I have a motion, Mr. Birx. Do I have a second? Second. Second is he, discussion. second second this heat discussion on favor say aye oh opposed motion carries now number 12 legislative hearing which I will open Mr. Nuddle Thank you, Mayor. This is a rezoning 24-0-2. It is a request to rezone property at 19-01 North Bayables Street from its current conditional zoning RA6 district to a amended conditional or a 6-discrict to authorize the development of the plan of which have provided to you. It would allow a multi-family development with a floor air ratio of up to 22%. The applicant on this request is a property under Lynn Van LaRette Trust. It's just a adjacent to 1901 North Faithful Street. 1901 is the existing Arlington Square community. This in essence would be an expansion of that apartment community. The reason for this request is at the time that the property that we're looking at was zoned R.A.6 back in 2000, I believe. It was only placed in the district. At that time, the city had a different process for land use approvals which required what's known as a conditional use permit to be issued in order for development activity to be authorized. So at that time, you could get a conditional district with no use authorized until you came back to the board and presented those development plans. And that's what happened back in 2000, the property was placed in the district with the expectation that there would be a development plan in the future that would be provided and that's where we're at today. You now have a specific site plan along with the rezoning request. It's two Randolph County pins that we're looking at just under 16 acres and size properties currently undeveloped. Before I go further, I do want to note that in accordance with state law, the letters to joining property owners, notifying them of tonight's hearing was has occurred as well as the legal advertisement published in the newspaper. We've also posted zoning signs on the property. On the screen, the property is outlined in blue. You can see the two distinct parcels there. We're looking at property between Central Avenue and Balfour Avenue on the west side. If you look to the north of the property, that is North Ashboro Park on the northwestern side. As I said, this property is essentially being sent, the extension of Arlington's, existing Arlington Square, which is to the east. The orange areas on this screen are already zoned. High density residential, yellow, our medium density residential. You can see the red commercial corridor along Fables Street and then the purples are industrial districts. So this is waged in between commercial and industrial land uses and zoning districts. On the screen, the parcel subject to this application are A1 and A2. D is the current Arlington area community. I do want to point out that parcel to see on this map is also owned by the applicant on this request. parcel G is an apartment community to the south. On this screen you can see that there is 100 year regulated floodplain that does is on the property. As you look at the site plans in front of you, that 100-year floodplain has shown, the development activity is proposed to take place outside of that area. This is a topographic map. There is some terrain on the property. We have some sewer infrastructure that will have to be contended with as part of the development. You can see the water locations. That water line will be extended into the property to serve the development. Cross hatched area on this screen, along Haskell's Creek is a 100 year floodplain. Parcel outlined in red here, the two pins, see the development pattern in the area, the surrounding land uses, including those two multi-family communities, got some self-storage to the southeast, again north Ashboro, park to the north, and park side community to the west. This property actually butts up against the homeowner common area open space that was platted along with the park side community. So there is some buffer naturally provided by this project and the neighboring residential project to the west. So a bleak map, giving you an idea of a little different angle, the property I lined in yellow here. Got several photos. We're looking at the entrance to the current Arlington Square development. This project will continue to utilize that entrance. We did receive comments from DOT on this application. They have told us and we've shared with the applicant that there will likely need to be an increase to those turn lane links or storages in order to accommodate the additional units that are proposed with this project. In your report, you'll see that there are 180 units. This time, there are proposed to be two bedroom units that will be added to the property with this application if it's approved. We're looking the other direction now. You can still see that entrance on the left. This is looking northward. Little, another review there. And then if you look further south, this is existing Olington Square community here. We turn to the analysis. The property is inside the city limits. It receives all and is eligible to receive all city services. The US 220 is maintained by DOT. It is a considered major thoroughfare. The transportation plan at the state level does identify improvements for this segment, which would be a widening to multi lanes. However, those improvements are not within the funded portion of that plan. So the need has been identified, the funding to make that widening is not yet in place at the state level. However, this development would do the necessary widening at the entrance in order to get the additional storage on those turn lanes. So in the future we would expect a more significant widening on 220. Arlington Square, what's there now is built in the late 90s. It's also owned by the applicant, there are 120 units within that existing community. 15 two story structures, it also includes a clubhouse. The application before you this evening is to add 180 units to be contained within 15 three story buildings. Typically developments of this size require a full time on say property manager to be provided. time on say property manager to be provided. The proposal here this evening is to allow the existing manager to continue to serve in that role for as opposed to a secondary office for this particular development. Noted the plan shows access through the existing development driveway on North Fable Street. We do expect there to be improvements mandated by DOT. City departments have reviewed the plan related to our ability to serve the community, including with emergency, but also with just standard public services. I think ideally there would be a secondary way into the community, but there's really no good options. We discussed that with the applicant. You can see it from the parcel configuration. There's not really an apparent way to get a secondary access in. These buildings will be sprinkler under the state building code, so that does help in terms of public safety to know that that will be a requirement. There are two, there's some recreational amenities shown on the plan. Those are expected by the city's development ordinance or some picnic areas. There's a pavilion. There's also a private six foot wide trail that is proposed to be available to the residents. that is proposed to be available to the residents. I will note, Council knows that the city has been in the process of conducting a feasibility study for a public greenway along North Haskets Creek from Vision Drive to North Ashboro Park. Very likely that that feasibility study will recommend an alignment that is just close to it if not on this property. And so we as you look at the conditions at the end of our staff report there is a suggestion that that be accommodated if and when the city move forward with that with that project. And Trevor, is that paved or natural surface? Which one? That's a part of this. It'll be at their discretion. It could be very natural. We don't have an expectation that it be smooth surface, but it will have to be delineated. So there would have to be a parent that it is for pedestrian. I noted that Western portion of the property is within that flood plain area. There are no structures contained within that area. Some maps are shown. It looks to be a tributary to Haskits Creek training from east to west on the southern portion of the property that's on the city's maps. If in fact that turns out to be jurisdictional, there will be some mitigation processes that the applicant would have to go through with NCDQ. We've spoken with a designer about that. They're aware of that potential issue. As we look at density or intensity of development, this request is proposing a floor area ratio or that's the ratio of building square footage to total square property square footage of 21 percent. That comes out, if you look at the density, we're at 11.4 dwelling units per acre that is requested. Arlington Square, the current Arlington Square has a flora air ratio of about 30% at a density of 18.1 dwellings. In 1999, when that project was approved, the city's in essence had allowed twice the amount of building intensity where footage resulting density than we do now. At that time, you could build up to 33% floor area ratio. Today, you're permitted only 17% unless you go through a public hearing process to get some additional authority to construct. So this is much less dense than the existing Arlington Square. It's about at what we typically see for these type of communities. As you propose greater densities or greater florey ratios in the cities, development ordinance there are more expectations and standards that come with that request. Typically includes stormwater, some architectural requirements, enhanced landscaping. This project is doing a lot of the things that we would expect for projects at our highest level of density and they're kind of in the middle ring chair. Do I linger on buildings? Correct, dwellings are unix. Unix? So it just to clarify the details about 11 buildings I could look like this. I mean, it's, you might not be, but yeah, one of those buildings per acre. Correct. Yes. Those are dwelling units per acre. That's correct. Number eight in the analysis, we'll just provide you what the ordinance is intent for the high density residential district and where those should be located. Always like to point out that you and applicant can propose some deviations to what the city's predetermined development standards are in this case. There are two. The first is the lack of the typical recreational vehicle parking for residents that the city looks to have incorporated into these type of projects. That is covered by a staff condition as we often do when an applicant is requesting to not provide area for such vehicles. We then ask that it be completely prohibited from occurring within the community. The second is a deviation that if you look at your analysis in 10C is requesting to not provide some buffering against a portion of the northern property that would otherwise be required to have some sort of buffer. The reason for that is that there are and have been two private access easements intended to serve adjacent properties in that same area where the city would look for that buffering to be provided. So the applicant is requesting in that limited instance to not have to provide that because it would conflict with the ability and the rights of an adjoining owner to access the property through that easement. This case had two reviews at the planning board the first on February 5th subsequent to that. There was some additional details that the designer an applicant provided to the city. The plan board re-reheard this at this past Monday and reviewed the additional information that's been provided. I'll say from the plan board it does come to the council with a favourable recommendation. One of the things that we've learned as we've kind of had continued conversations with the applicant is that the size of this project, this is something that could be phased and may not happen all at once, so that has led to us ensuring that there's thoughtful consideration of how you would provide, turn around and maneuvering areas at the end of the driveways as you get to different phases to ensure that emergency vehicles, public vehicles, delivery vehicles can navigate if the project does end up being phased. That was something new that came in a recent conversation, not atypical for these type of projects. Well, if the rezoning's approved, we will have a requirement for subsequent zoning compliance permanent site plan, satisfying the conditions and all elements of the ordinance that are in effect. So I've tried to highlight a couple things on the screen here. In red, just to point out where the trail is highlighted in green. But otherwise, you see the storm water. It's probably a structural storm water device to help with those impacts, at least for a 10 year storm. There's two areas that could provide that benefit. The area of the access easement I've kind of drawn in on the northern or I've labeled it on the northern end of the property boundary. That's the proximity of where we would typically be looking for some sort of buffer against at adjacent undeveloped property but there are easements are in place there that would indicate that that could be could be challenging. You can see the pavilion is noted there and just other other elements I just wanted to highlight on the plan. So you enter in through Arlington Square, existing phase, and then it'll branch off to the south, provide access. It'll be able to go straight through to a second access. So after you get a couple hundred feet into the project, you do have options, or emergency services would have options to maneuver. Distribute the building elevations. This is proposed to be again three story structure, first story, masonry or brick, plating, second and third stories vinyl. The applicant did, as representative did report to the planning board that those materials will be consistent around all sides of the building so we've been provided this this elevation here, but it is illustrative of those building materials to be used on all sides of the building. I wanted to give you an idea from the applicant a better idea of what the existing buildings look like in in the current community. better idea of what the existing buildings look like in the current community. I just have two photos shown, the current two story structures. We look to the land development plan, to identify for urban residential or high density and family development within a primary growth area. Overall, we believe those five policies that are on the screen are generally supportive of this request. There's a few that tend to be a little more negative. They're related in large part to the need for some roadway improvements on 220 that are not yet funded, but the state will dictate requirements for safety as a part of this application. And so the developer will make improvements to the US 220 as a part of the project. We have a series of conditions here that we think are necessary to ensure continuing compliance with the ordinance. Real quickly, limit of 180 dwelling units with the flurry of ratio of not to exceed 22% that all parties sign off on these conditions. Prior to issue and so of a permit authorizing construction, if you approve this tonight, that we receive written acceptance of those conditions. There are two solid waste areas that are proposed on the project. They've been reviewed by city staff. They should be sufficient. But decovers, if we get in a situation, those are determined to be inadequate. The city could mandate some additional provisions for solid waste disposal. We always like to note that maintenance of all areas not within public easements will not be maintained by the city. So those are would be the responsibility of the of the owner in the event that the city needs any type of easements for public infrastructure oftentimes when that water is coming into the property and we're providing hydrants or needing hydrants to serve the development that will lead to the city maintaining that water line. We would be looking for easements to do so at the time of construction of the project. F Parking Recreational Vehicle prohibited as I mentioned. G covers the 10 year storm retention and you saw all the location that they would anticipate providing those structural measures. H is intended to allow that easement to the North Ashburg Greenway to be accommodated if in the future that project is on go. That area would be within that 100 year flood plain outside of the primary developed areas of the property. Offer some flexibility in condition 9 in terms of how postal middle livery is handled with the Postal Service. We did include in condition as in J that would allow for staff and the owner developer to contemplate future potential for a secondary access. So with condition J, if in the future there is through adjacent developer property, an opportunity to provide a secondary access into the development that is agreeable to mutually beneficial to that owner in the city, then that could occur, that we could work that out at the administrative level without that being deemed to be such a significant change that requires re-review the council. We just asked for that potential to, if that opportunity is presented. Kay handles the phasing of the project. Ells related to infrastructure requirements. Ms. What we're looking for, do you approve this tonight? That information is still outstanding that would have to be provided to us before we release the project for construction. Finally, that the owner signed our standard memorandum of land use restriction, which puts the conditions of this project if approved in the public registry. Or everyone to be able to find. Based on our analysis, we do think this is consistent with the plan. LDP since 2000 has designated for urban residential development. It's got adjacent multi-family development. We think what the conditions have been proposed, have been presented to the applicant. I believe that are acceptable to the applicant. We believe that the application is reasonable and do recommend approval along with the planning board. Thank you very much. Questions? First and all, I'm not going to stand there and there might be mistaken. There is no plan for offside parking. I mean, onside parking for RVs. There is adequate parking for the number of units. There is no storage area for recreational vehicles. And so therefore. There is no storage area for recreational vehicles. There are many larger prohibits. And so therefore, I glued them by ordinance. Yes, the ordinance, yeah, the district, ordinance for the district would prohibit it. All right. I drove in there today and they didn't have any. So in the current, so they're apparently going by that. Other questions? I'm serious sure if you're well. I think they're pretty responsive land management group. All right. You said this would not have been all right. Residential manager is the other part of this complex. Does that have an own assignment? That's all understand. There is at the entrance No, sorry, residential manager. Is the other part of this complex, does that have an onsite management? That's all I understand. There is, at the entrance, there is a clubhouse and a leasing office with management that's available within that facility. Okay. Other questions? Do we have a motion? Mayor Bush on the consistency. We get far too far. Oh, yes. You want to ask? Oh, this is a public hearing. Yes. Ben Salon since I either opened the public hearing. Is there one audience who would like to address Council regarding this request. I think we need to ask applicant a question. Christian Vestel, 150 South Federal Street. I'm with some engineering and we are representing the applicant tonight. If there's any additional questions that may be answered this time, I could address those, but we would. We would propose conditions as staff as proposed, amenable to the applicant. Yes, they are. Any questions? The OT is going to require the wide term lanes right and write on that one year? Upon a traffic impact analysis study and at the additional unit count that would warrant more storage that would be applicable. Why a pot holder in this show? After you have snorkeling drugs? That's a US number drug. That's right. Yeah, that is a state drug. A US drug. I'll explain it in five minute or even three. I wouldn't ask them more questions. No other questions. All right. Thanks, sir. Sorry you had to wait all night for that. Okay, now. And now mayor, based on the consistency statement for the staff, I think I would move that we approve the consistency statement as well as the conditions on them together with all of the recommended requirements of my staff. Conditions. recommended requirements of my staff conditions. Emotions by Mr. Bell. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Mr. Berks. Discussion? discussion. All in favor say aye. All opposed like son. Motion carries. All right, Mr. Notall. I'm sorry, Mr. Roni. Good evening. Good evening. So I'm here to speak to you about a planning study for the W.O. Brown Water Treatment Plant. And we are talking about emerging contaminants, which is something you're going to hear me say a lot more in the future. That's for sure. The bipartisan infrastructure legislation passing November had a lot of money in it for addressing water infrastructure and particularly PFAS issues. North Carolina received $469 million in this legislation and its focus was safe water across the state to improve water quality and the infrastructure. It included money for lead pipe and service inventory and replacement of which we have received some funding and addressing emerging contaminants, particularly PFAS. Funding is also available to assist elevator drinking water systems, AK City of Ashboro, to do planning studies to address how we are going to treat PFAS in our water. Planning can be in the form of assessment studies, pilot testing, and treatment technologies, design, and alternatives analysis for future construction projects, and pre-construction planning projects. This portion of the funding is principal forgiveness, which is a grant we should receive it free and clear. That's what they say. And the application deadline is April 30 of this year. But one of the requirements is council has to approve applying for the grant. So that's why we are here tonight is to ask you to pass resolution for seeking this funding. What could we know about our water and heat fast? We know we have it and we will have to treat it. Because it seems to be very prevalent. Yes, we, and we will score very high on this because of our numbers. And it arrives to us in our raw water? It's in our raw water, yes. And is it rising the main foot? What does it say is, is it in our, our like water too much? Yes, it is. So you mentioned that you're anticipating this being the grant. Yes. And you also said that's what they said. It's assuming that's what the loan language is in there. We have to put the loan language in there, but it's specified as being principal forgiveness. Yes. Where did this money come from? It's the bipartisan law to 2021 federal legislation. Yes. to 2021 federal legislation, yes. About partisan infrastructure law. So, funding is still- Not part of the class actions, so- No, no, no, and that's totally separate. And then we are in that class action soon as well. This grant money is accessible by private water system. In the material. accessible by private water system. It actually you could read in there you possibly could yes I Did read some of that language today I was a little bit confused about this I get confused sometime No, what are we asking for the money for specifically to study it or to build some of it? We know we're going to have to install treatment. So we need to go ahead and have a plan in place as to what we're going to do. This law has, the rules have been adopted yet for this rule. It's still, EPA hasn't even approved the testing method yet. We're testing for ES. We're using the method they are going to approve, but it hasn't been approved yet. Are you testing it in Ohio? No, we can't, it will never be tested in-house. It's impossible. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a send it to Ohio is the place, closest place we can find to test it right now. So. That's very expensive expensive oboe. Mm-hm. I'm going to use, but still I don't know what the, what is it, if we get the grant, what are we going to use the money? We are going to use the money, okay, I'll get back to that. We are going to use that money to hire a consultant to come in, evaluate our water and provide us some options for treatment techniques and come up with a plan to move forward with construction for a treatment process Probably before the construction. They will not be for construction. This is just plan. Yes With that when the rule comes out we will have three years to comply So we need to have a plan in place To proceed to comply. So we need to have a plan in place to proceed. Do you see this being removal by some sort of like a green sand filter or this be a chemical treatment of sequestries? This is a granular activated carbon is really the way is the top treatment out there right now. So you can do what you do with the body? That's the problem. It's not it's not a hard treatment. It's the dealing with the byproduct. What do you do with the body? You send it to Pennsylvania to get it. Put it on the bar and run it around the center. No, we send it to the one place in the country that can treat it and give it back to us. That's Pennsylvania. And give it back to us. They remove whatever they do and they give us our carbon back. And right on that side, we're about to start. and they give us our carbon back. Right on that side. I'll stick it down. Okay. All right. Other questions? All right. Michael has a resolution. Yeah. We'll prove our reference. Thank you. May I have a motion? Mayor Olmove, we approve this resolution authorizing an application for a state grant slash loan as presented on the Stabiel Brown Water Tribune Plant Emerging Containment It's Planning Project. Have a motion, Bob. As he do, I have a second. Second. Where was that? Down here. Down there. Down there. Way down here on the street. Oh, Mr. Cogel makes a second. Why do you have a discussion? All in favor say aye aye. All opposed. Thank you Mr. Sherman. I'm going to say I feel much more comfortable here at the end of the meeting. I do when you all move me up. I appreciate the offer but it is nice to be back at the end. Mayor council, I am here to provide an update on the possible leasing agreement from Macquarie Park. Just a couple quick little housekeeping measures I need to mention. This is your action meeting for the process to finalize a possible lease agreement with Zookeepers baseball LLC. As part of that. You did pass a resolution in January to have it advertised. It was advertised. That is why we are here tonight. It's your February meeting. We did provide you with a copy of the proposed lease for your review and ask questions. Then at your special meeting in February, you advise staff to provide you additional information on possible other leases of the, not the same type, but comparable leases. You should have all received a packet with six examples. When staff compiled those, we tried to keep it limited to coastal plain league teams playing at either municipal or government facilities Those are the six that we were able to come up with Just as a quick summary as you probably noticed there's a wide gambit of There's no special formula. There's no set fee. It range everywhere from a dollar to a fee of $50,000 a year. You believe in the third game and the dollar ahead and $1.00 a year by the lockback? Yes. So it's basically up to what we concluded is what works best for the community that that team or that lease resides in. So that's not to make y'alls job harder but it does it's for y'all to just be it. I did one thing I cleaned from it that I thought was no worthy at least to draw some parallel to our situation. Pit County, and I can imagine Greenville have a Ferdinand's place. With their leaseee, they had an agreement that the leaseee put in, 500,000, city put in, 500,000 for improvements and having an inearly idea of what the age of the place was and all that. But, and granted our ratio is not as strong as 50-50, but we didn't raise up to $2 million that showed up in private. And I thought that's just pretty significant that we did pretty well for ourselves in that category. But to work on on minorities of the one exception that paid all the YouTube I mean the city paid all the other there was keep up the outside grounds and the other the leacy cleans up the bathrooms text here all the general stuff correct yes so we've got a few things off the table right is what seems to become Turns look like they went anywhere from three years all up to 14 years Yes, it's it's a wide Variance and that probably had like to do with maybe not only what these franchises cost or not or to pay you to take them or whatever but Trigger Rampifications the Eastville market. Well, and that specific example, that's actually, that team is the leastee is the owner of the league, capital, broadcaster. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah. And then. And that is a brand new team this year. And then I didn't, and then the 50,000, I didn't know how to compare Cobb County, Georgia. You did demographics with us. Right, yeah. That just fell into the apples to apples category. It was the, it was the plain lead team. Yep. Well, come. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. Mike. Yeah, Mike and Cobb. They, well, uh, looking I think you've done quite a good job of remaining neutral and being switched around and providing for no pattern whatsoever. I commend you for being your new champion. I did my best. That's all I have to report. So being neutral I will turn over to you unless anybody has any questions for me. That's all I have to report. So being neutral I will turn over to you unless anybody has any questions for me. Thank you for doing that. Yes sir. Not a problem. Thank you. You're welcome. What kind of action we looking for here? David, I mean. We've met at tonight's our second, as Jonathan mentioned, to the general statute. So at this point, you just give us guidance as you have you want us to proceed. We've done the mandatory two meetings. We do need whatever we come up with tonight. We need to discuss with the police. See, we've not done that yet. That'll be part of the process. Let me ask a parameter of questions if you would, and doge me, in reading through some of these, some of these leases are very specific to that one-ball club. And I mean, they paid like per game. Right. And, you know, and in terms of the least that we're looking at, and the Zoom Keepers organization, And in terms of the least that we're looking at, and the subkeepers organization, we'll just kind of collectively refer to as the piece. Now, how does that relate to the Legion fly? I know the Haskell play is obviously independent of that. But the Quattro's Club is the parent What is the. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. something. Okay. So most of the relationship when you see a keeper in Legion is benefactor. And, of course, but, they don't own the team, they don't sponsor the team. That's right. So, in theory, whatever we do about this, we probably need a memorandum of understanding with the high school and with the Legion club, at least to my moral loss what we expect out of those folks as well. That was probably the right thing to do. And perhaps at least with the Legion thing, we might even tack that burden of cleaning up over there under the zookeepers. And just to thank the people. Because don't the seasons kind of, how much do they owe a lot? Seasons of the zookeeper season and American Legion runs the same time. So they're just all from the day? They're all from the day. So that's really our busted season. And okay. So the term, the actual active use, I mean we could say about a year say $10,000 or $100,000 here, the actual use of this for practice and whatever, just basically on the same as the leaves. The intense use is May 15 to August 15, plus or minus. So, you know, of course, basically things, dormant, no winter, so it's kind of material, but so what would that be, four months? Yeah, four months, okay. The Gwanskub did make a gift to the playground that was built over there as part of the new park. And the zookeepers actually are the host agency and be it on the Southeast Regional, which is American Legion. The baseball team brings teams from eight states, seven states to Hasbro for a week long turn. And the zookeeper are out of pocket on that. They provide all the volunteers, they run it, they bid on it. Well, it's clear from reading these leases that, they use a $5,000 on them. It's highly subsidized as a quality of life issue. I mean, that's the decision made by every opera community to have the team. They run from the... I can't get the franchise of that building. I mean Lord Woods, all the pay for a Panther stadium, I mean, that's the winning team. You get all the way to Martin Spiel, which the team is owned by the city. One of your leashes spent first seven or eight paragraphs talking about economic development. Oh, they do. They do. And you know, and just because this is not sure than that, it don't change the marketplace of what it would bring, although I think we've got a lot of turmoil played at high-com button. That's correct. If they do not get, I would suggest this just you got to have a start in place. You know and and that's where you can go to several at place. I got a sticker on there. You know just get the water up and say, you know, you know, you have to take $12. So that's how they know it's $50,000 to start the conversation. Right. You know no matter where you end up, what if we were to pick a number, not a single one out to blue? What if we pick say $20,000? We thought they in them, you want to. You have to get the extra point that we're at. And then married high. The married high. They don't see what they can stand. That's exactly what we need to do. You know, because I don't know enough about her model business model. I mean, you know, right? I'm saying, go away. They won't work. And I'm saying that's a bargain. Then we should ask him what we need to do with that. But no, but we need to start the point. And the mayor and I and John, then they got us to sit with them. So if that's the number, you want to start out? I don't. I just, it was about the middle of this. I was just counting the dismayage of halfway. It just caused, I don't know, that the dollars to cheat and we not Cobb County said. Okay, go ahead. Where's the, what are the parameters on that? I mean, time wise, that just for the season? 28,000 a year. And that was my point. I was questioning. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a physically, responsibly physically or actually, is there a difference between a year or four months actually using that? Well, if we're leasing it, then we're seeding. Yeah, because, yeah, exactly. Because we need to, there needs to be a definitive either what they can do we want to can't do. And I'm just talking about, and they spell it out in some of these other ones You know additional you know Events are additional use of the field beyond that point has to be approved. If they had a concert for instance in their least period There's another place got they got the medticus a over something or as I would yeah, we got we need we need you know That's that's where we're different We don't know that's her park well and and with That's where we're different. We're all the times for Park. And with the Charlottes Park and in three of these leases, with the Legion team playing in that period, there's no nights. If it rains one night, sometimes we'll have three games. Double headers, double headers. Yeah, so in that window that made 15 to August 15, it is essentially, I mean, every day or every afternoon. Sunday afternoon, Sunday night, Saturday night, Friday, double headers on Sunday. But is that what we're talking about the least being? Yeah, two weeks ago, August 15th, and then it's over the season. Well, I mean, after the playoffs or after what you're talking about. Right. After about the August, August 9th or 10th, and as dictated by the state champion going to Shelby for the World Series. But that's when the season is over, the first week in August. Two weeks ago, the zookeepers hosted a college double-head on Saturday. Yes, deal for college and play in their place today. And then on Sunday, they had a single game, college single game on Sunday. So is there game called Single Game on Sunday. So is there compensation involved in any of that? No sir. Well, not compensation to the city. Who gets compensation? To compensation to what? To seek help. Through us or the zookeeper organization. What the zookeeper's organization? Because as of this moment, there is no policy set for me to rent or lease a prairie park at any finger. No feed means that by the council. So everything has to be done through the previous lease, which also in the new lease, that's what's under a salary area of rents. That's what it falls on. So that's why we wanted to get this in front of you. We got a new park out there. So that's why we wanted to get this in front of you. We got a new park out there. The teams taking everything. And the, you know, let's be honest, there are our friends, our friends, the pews, but they're taking the team to, everybody's a significant investment. So we just need to, we need some students from the Council so the Mariner and I job that can go sit down hammer out with with your guidance and get feedback from them because we don't know how they they're revenue streamer anything. So that's what we're asking for tonight. So if you think 20,000 is a good number to start out with and then we can do it a year. We don't have to, we can do a, to be reviewed every year, five years, I mean, whatever they will have to come back with all that for any way from you, that we didn't want to start with, I'm getting guided from you. That's what this whole thing is. If you wouldn't have that dollar for you, 12 months. I'll see you. That's what you made. That's what they started. The zookeeper's host, Paul Ball. They are the sponsor in agency for Paul Ball. But it's generally high school age players, the legion teams. Kids that play legion Ball will be out there playing and once August is over and the World Series is over then they start fallball and I don't know exactly what their dates are but it goes right on up to... The Liberty Day to the End of October. Yeah. Liberty Day to the End of October. But it's not the bread and butter of the par and it's not the intense season. So we could even hammer out. We could do the zookeepers and then when you host fallball and that's a different period or something. We'll have her out. We'll make it as specific as possible based on the council's reaction that our the one we're under is the most open ended well as possible. I'd like to every one of these things also said non-exclusive you can contemplate it other type of things. And I think your cleanest, simplest transaction is for it to be annual. In terms of having a term, I don't know if that's what, I don't know if that's right or appropriate. I mean, just with the fact that it was listed to him December in January, February, I'm not sure if we're worried about him wearing it out. But if we do it annual and we're looking at agreements with the high school and with Kiwanis. But it's not an exclusive. Oh right okay. It's not an exclusive. I think the agreement with the high school and the American Legion is going to be an understanding of what their responsibilities are. That's why you need to memorialize those details and remember under understanding. This is not a one document scenario we need to call. Yes, and I'll tell you the other option. The same is whatever the policy purpose of the council is. I may have mentioned it before, is to move the Prairie Bon Park into the category of the city's other recreation facilities, which are all subject to usage policies set up in the manual. And so right now there's not that section. So if the manual has a layout for what can be done outside that agreement, I'll just go with the sportsplex. You've got the sportsplex within the manual and the manual makes a reference to the why, as far as what the benefit it gets as a partnership. The same sort of deals could be worked out to where the grave ballpark is the venue that's regulated by the rec manual and it sets out where there are references where we'll allow agreements to control but then otherwise it's set up to say this is the arrangement that's with the school or if Johnson has some other event from through the WANTON that would be the alteration. And what's the timing of that job? When should we do that? This would happen. It would be obvious as soon as we had guidance to do it, you have to put in place to be the ideal way to do that? That's not going to happen. It would be obvious. As soon as we had guidance to do it, it could be a place. We had the idea of way to do that. That game was something. That way, the conflict would be resolved. Exactly. By the manuals. By the manuals. I mean, we would have the final set. The council would set the parameters for how the committee would have the final set as if there was a dispute or disagreeing. That's right. That's one off time. How are you, Michael? I mean, I think we've got a system. And we can see about, right, everybody. Athletic parks. We don't make much sense. Yeah, we don't have to show that. Pretty damn fine. Every other venue is kind of like, did I have a button, did I? It's 50 times. So, yeah, and if we get to have the rolling stones this summer, I'll make sure that we all get really good seats and we get to the room. One more time, I'd be sure. So is that what the council okay with that? Given us guidance, the mayor and the jobs that they must sell to go with the $20,000 a season. We want to do the season not a per year, right? I don't have a problem. How would that play into the city manual you were talking to your representative? We can craft the manual to reflect what you would... Okay. We can start with what you have. There are the most intensely interested in the biggest item big ticket item And then we can craft the manual around that if I might suggest since the city has spent Money to advertise and get this in a position free to take action when you feel comfortable I'm trying to push this issue too quickly, but when you feel comfortable You know be appropriate. It was themed But when you feel comfortable, you'd be appropriate. It would seem to entertain a motion to continue this matter. This has already been advertised to the next regular meeting with a specific direction that, with whatever parameters you want to put in, it can count, it can staff bring back a document that reflects the results of that discussion. So you have an item to at least vote on, to or to specify where you will additional changes that. I would move that we continue the discussion till the next regular schedule meeting with the direction to. But the meantime you're going to talk with the fuse. Yes. Find out. More what they're. Yes. You get some idea how much revenue they take. So we will be fair about it. Yeah. Right. All right. That was part of my motion. Have a moment. Jonathan and John and Mayor Smith speak. A little motion of Mr. Bale. Do I have a second? Relative to the second. At least a second. Where's the second? Mr. Berks. Okay. Discussion. I'm sorry. Where's the second, Mr. Barton? Okay. Discussion? Do we need to include the manual, including the manual at this point, as part of the mission? I think if it's acceptable, we'll interpret the motion as including that. Okay. That's acceptable. Thank you. Discussion? Any questions? Discussion? Anything? Anything down there? Are we sticking strictly to the 20? Are we going to look at electrical or any other things? We still can. I said are we looking at anything besides the 20? I mean these other places reference some of the electrical payments cleaning the stadium afterwards, or reimbursing the city if they don't clean it. That kind of stuff. Yeah, we'll beat around all these. I was wondering if the team paid the electrical, if I'm read right, it was Thomas fail. Well, there was another one in there that said, they paid for the service, but the team paid for the usage. I mean, I don't want to get to that, but I'm just saying. I'm just saying that. That was off the wall, terms. Yeah, yeah. Unusuals. We give some idea how much power is going to cost up there, right, too. We got that. We got that. We have that. We have that. I think clearly it's very open engine only coming out that sauce. It looked like the team did all the cleanup at the restaurant. It was more than just all the splice for that nothing. Yeah, the city seemed to do it outside maintenance. I was a hard one sitting there. Hard stuff sort of. But yeah, I really... Many more details for work out. They're just trying to get some more to start some conversations. Yeah, a good place to start. The only difficult to have in someone else who do the bathroom cleaning or the cleaning of the grounds is they're not going to do what you expect you to do. I mean, they're not trained to do that. And we've got guys that do that every single day from the middle of February right through fallball. And I mean, it's pretty much a science. I don't necessarily that, but if we take that on, and they can be part of our consideration. Yeah. Yeah. That's not contributing to facility, that's hard cost. Right. Well, cleaners to do the time. Yeah. We have to clean it up. Yeah. That's where I do, brother. Yeah. Yeah. We took that guy to be taking these broad parameters and hand on that. That's my thing you need approval to go. That's correct. Somewhere. Okay. So we have a motion and the second to table to the next meeting. We're waiting further input from Jonathan, the manager and the manager based on conversation with the Zookieber baseball. Any other questions or discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. And this show, we're not, we're right, agreement in 600,000 from the community for that. Well, I would say we raised another 7 from the community because the tax players of Asperger. Well, you saw the sales tax numbers. I did. Keep going up. Keep going up. We're on everybody's right to our, the support flex is going to start. I wouldn't say the support flex wherever I pay for itself. Well, but it's them well on the way to make you better at this cost. That's what we need to do. Well, I think in government accounting, we say 3.6 million dollars. We spend seven to do it. But we're in government. That's the way y'all can't down there in the county. That's the way I can. They'll come in. We made a million dollars by, because we bought three of them. Did I call from home? I did not. Oh, yeah. It is. Not yet. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion to table is successful. We will discuss this again next month. Let's stick it to the wireless company. Move along. All right. You don't just listen. It's listen. Oh, yeah. This here you'll wait me up tonight. It won't bring me to any of the folks. All right. Mr. Sugg, you have, you've got a request authorization of public illegal notice of proposed lease agreement with new singular awareness. Wireless PCS LLC. Go right ahead. Yes, sir. The good news is I'm not asking you at this time to have to debate about specific prices or terms. New singular wireless PCS LLC. Their managing member is AT&T mobility. They have existing array and the elevated water tank with South Church Street. They have been there for a considerable amount of time. We've gone through extended negotiations and we're to a point now to where there are at least expires in 2025. We will have a branch agreement that continues the current rate to 2025. And there will be a 10-year term. If you approve the agreement, they, in principle, have agreed. And then for the first five years, that 10-year term in 2025, there will be an increase in the rent. And then there will be a second increase in the rent for the second five years. We pay, but I'll, and I'll be bring the specific lease to you and the specific amount. I just need to get your authorization. The four city funds are expanded to advertise. To notice, to run the notice 30 days is required. You will not see it coming back to you until May for the simple fact that it's March 7th. Our regular April meeting is April 4th. So we'll not have time to get the 30-day notice in but that will be back for you in May and I'd ask for a motion authorizing me to run the legal notice. It's taken them a year to get to this point. So we've been in negotiations for about a year. I was poor at this. I don't know why they didn't sign up. Well, I'm going down about three days this week. You see, that expired to 2025, so they had to find the talk. There have been multiple representatives. That's in the go-shade, you tacked it. Wait till the very end. Questions of Mr. Sugg? No questions? Well, it's been a long, antelis and drawn out process. I appreciate your work. Since there are no questions, I'll call from motion. I move we are approved to request to authorize the publication of the meeting as requested. No motion, Mr. Bill. Do I have a second? Second. Second is he. Discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. All right, all opposed motion carries Mr. Sugg is authorized to publish a legal notice proposed Lisa game Array on the water tower all right We, I will ask for a motion to go to close session to discuss the attorney matters that fall within the attorney's family. I would like to request a motion that we now hold a close session to discuss with our attorney matters that follow in the attorney's client privilege, specifically including pending contestification in the office of the administrative hearings concerning a final MPDES permit renewal. I have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Second, Mr. Bergs. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Mr. Wagner. Thanks for being here. Happy to be here. I pay wood. They're not going to get you shorter. Maybe you're not here to get pointers on half of those.