Ladies and gentlemen, I will call this meeting to order. This is the Thursday July 11th meeting of the Ashburg City Council. And I apologize for the delay. We were just a little bit slow getting our ducks in the row here. First thing I'd ask is that you all stand and join me in a moment of silent meditation. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say Good news and bad news. The good news is that we're indoors and not suffering with the heat outdoors. The bad news is that we have quite an agenda to go through tonight. So the first item on the agenda and I would consider a privilege to call on the Christian Terry and John, I'm sorry, John Evans, who run our United Way campaign on behalf of the City of Ashboro. And where are the two people here at City Hall that work closest with Elizabeth Mitchell? And if any of you have been paying attention lately, you have probably seen that Elizabeth Mitchell has finally against our wishes called it a retirement. So I'd like for Elizabeth to come up. I will call on John and Christian to come up and they have an award to make. It really is a bittersweet moment because I have grown to know Elizabeth and really, really been very, very fond of working with her and getting to know her and being a friend to her, those are the last 21 years as we have been working together on the campaign. Just seeing all of the personal care that she puts into serving the community, dealing with issues involving education, health, helping people sustain a living, and really just the amount of personal here that she gives to every individual that she comes in contact with. It's amazing that she will remember any issue someone is going through, and all the thousands and thousands of people that she knows and how she really really shows care that it's just really in her DNA to be that way. And it's just been an inspiration to me to know Elizabeth and just see the way that she lives. I think that's an inspiration to everyone. So just want to recognize Elizabeth for the Ashburr Prada War and she has been with the United Way after 21 years here in Ashburr. She is grace our presence, she is Scotland, Connecticut, New Jersey Chapel Hill and then Ashburr. So we're just glad that she has been here with us. that you're all sitting, you did it right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. If I may take a moment of personal privilege and just comment that it was a true blessing that the Elizabeth Mitchell decided to come to Ashburn and take this job. and she has made more friends than anybody I know. She's done more to help other people than anybody, any of us know. And we are counting on her continuing to stay involved in our community. She stood right out there just a minute ago and said, you get some more money from me to pass that. I'll come back. So she has helped us coordinate family assistance programs and housing money in various things over the years. So we love you. And we will certainly miss the working association, but we're counting on you staying right here here being a huge part of Ashboro in North County. Thank you. Thank you. And John, do you tell us how much people is sampling this? So at least since 2000 the campaign has raised and that's been in part because of the enthusiasmuciation and that is just under $650,000 over the last 20 years. So you think about all the funds and all the assistance that gives to the community and just the multiplier effect of that, potentially so many lives, and we think Elizabeth's problem about it. So. And we thank Elizabeth for all of that. So. Oh, you're welcome to stay. And you afford me. If we can get a grant. Congratulations. And we are so thankful for you and so proud of what you've been able to do with us in Florence. Thank you. Oh, are you making quiet? You need to stop. No. Thank you. Well, I've already started tearing up. What we're missing out here is Gucks Kleinex. I'm into it. What we're missing up here is Gucks Kleinex. I need to go in. That's Joanne and Charter Day. You can find me a Kleinex. Now, the next item, which is also another bittersweet moment in the history of Randolph and the city of Ashboro. I'm going to invite all these guys standing out here who are firemen for the city of Ashboro to come in and file in and spread out along the walls over here. We will do in the room when we make this next presentation. And I will call on Fire Chief Willie Summers and Deputy Chief Cockman to come up and make a presentation to Brownwood with one of our retirees. So you guys. This looks like everybody is working. But I can assure you that not everybody is working tonight. Brian is working tonight. Brian, you're white. You're a good easy. You want to get her up, Brian, hang her. Please. We got people to take the picture. You don't have to. Every meeting in Farmswreck goes Bob. And I just probably recording. and I just probably recording. In addition, for the thank you for your reinforcement and your ability to instruct the young firefighters in the current five-round, that will tear it in just a few weeks. Finally, I want to congratulate you on your appointment to assist the Chief of Randomness Fire Department. But more important is your engagement to Mr. G.F. So if you want to thank you for your 26 year of the World in Service to this community in the Asprout Fine Farm. And I'm going to take a moment to read this for a minute on the scene. Park Captain Brian Moosie, a leased chief, an appreciation for the both service in the fine problem in dedication to the city of Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. You're going to work for Rammel. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We prepared you. You understand, Changshaul, safety, don't you? You don't need to know. Your dad retired at the refugee camp. He's had the threat. He's sort of went, this is how it went. Well I guess in light of the legacy we'll let that pay. Good luck to you. Thank you very much. That means you can have a million cents worth of a million and you've got that. Yeah. He can need you. Guys, thanks for being here tonight. There's a site out there. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Thank you, guys. See you later. See you. Y'all noticed there's a couple of those guys who got about 14. I would like to remind everybody in the room that our fire department is one of 23 and North Carolina rated the highest rating insurance rating available. And that's because of people like Brian and the instructional people that have the responsibility and have had the responsibility of training people. So we're proud of our fire department. We hate to lose one that has that kind of longevity and experience. Unfortunately, there's no big more and more of that. We started out a few years ago hiring lots of new people. All right. Michael Rooney, item number five on your agenda. Mr. Rooney is our water resources director and you're going to update us on the memorandum understanding for possible membership with the much amount of child water authority. Yes, good evening, Mayor and council members. I'll go ahead and start by introducing a board member from the PTRWA, Mayor from Marchdale, Mayor Dorsett. Greg Florey is here, he is the executive director of the authority. They're here just to offer support and maybe answer any questions if we have any. But if you recall at the May Budget workshop meeting That was one of our big focuses of that meeting of that workshop was discussing regionalization and our future plans with our utility and With the growth we've got going on we have assets that are very valuable to the region and we the region has assets They're valuable to us. So regionalization is a path I think we've all agreed that we need to move forward on. So tonight I'm here to discuss with you, there's the PTRWA Board has been doing a feasibility study, and they're looking to add us to their authority. And this is just the beginning steps. There's a lot of planning to go on, a lot of discussions to their authority. And this is just the beginning steps. There's a lot of planning to go on, a lot of discussions to go on, and a lot of things to work out. But we just need to kind of get moving in that direction. So tonight you have a memorandum in your packet. I would be willing to answer any questions. You may have about it. That memorandum, I'm sorry, Mark. That sets up for us to begin the process. It's just beginning the process, that's all we're doing. There's a long way to go, but we need to get started. Along the things you've presented in previous meetings, I've traveled a lot of cost of regulations and improvement. I think that's all very consistent with EPA and DEU's goals. Apparently, I'm against more regulation of any kind. But in this case, what we're entertaining here is more a result of regulation, not Israel. I think there's a lot of economies of scale and a lot of, I think, the buzzword synergy to be gained from this, as we regionalize with more industries coming. So I think it's a very wise step. They've got a lot of resources, a lot of access, and thankfully we bring a lot of raw water resources as well. So I look forward to that. As you recall, the state legislature mandated DQ to do a study on the I-421 corridor and utilities. And we are a part of that corridor with our, so that's part of this as well. Require a motion. Yep, are there any other questions? Okay. Weiss water will be next. More than likely, yes. So if there are any more questions, Stafford commends you adopt the ordinance about reference. Are there any other questions? Just thanks to good idea. Mayor, we adopt the memorandum of understanding my reference. Motion by Mr. Bail to adopt a reference. Just memorandum of understanding. Do I have a second? Second. This heat discussion. I'll call for a vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed like sign. Motion carries. So this begins the process of. Formal and negotiating research and all and negotiations. Trying to negotiate a master plan. Okay, great. Chair, thank you. You're right. Okay. There we, we want to mention it's always good to see Mayor Dorset back there from our sister city Archdale. Old Asperger guys will. You've been in this building the time or two hat you married. Well it's going together but he's older than I. I would just throw the public knows that I think most of you know that I was the city manager of Archdale before I came back on the ash burl I served with Mayor Dorset and we were I think you and me and Chairman Fry about the last three stand and effort on the water authority when there was no water Just barely an authority no water, just barely in the thard. Yeah. I replaced a Mayor Don Panty, and Hancock, who is the one of the original right and past the way I was born. Right. So yeah, we go back to four years of resolution. We get that. So thank you here to the old timer, say that you know, in the World War II is going to happen. And when I have it really does happen. And it'd be just like Duke Power is a huge regional utility. The cities are working together to get that same economy of scale. And if you've all heard in the paper that are seen on the news, the forever chemicals, this hot plant, we don't know how to get them out. We didn't put them in, but we have to get them out. And so we all want to work together and in our future is more regionalized anyway. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Mayor anyway. So thank you, Michael. Thank you, Mayor. And good to say, Greg. Good to see you. We say, you've been here, Greg. Thank you. And you too, Mayor. I need to back up to item four. Councilman Bail reminded me here, pointed out to me that we did not adopt the resolution honoring Captain Wood upon his retirement. So if someone will make a motion to adopt their resolution by reference. Mayor I'm moving we are formally adopt the resolution honoring fire TP chief fire captain Brian was by reference. We have a motion by Mr. Bale do I have a second second. Second. Second Mr. Burke's discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Okay, we have approved the resolution honoring Captain Wood for his retirement. Skipping on back down to number six. Mr. Nuddle, you have senior project manager, Nia Rogers, have a presentation to make. A brief one, yes sir. It is my pleasure to introduce Nia Rogers with McAdams. That is the engineering firm that has been working with the city for about a year now to develop a feasibility study with the proposed North Ashboro Greenway. For many years, the city has identified the potential for a trail along Haskell Creek, particularly North-Avision Drive. Thanks to a grant from NC DOT that the city applied for and received, NIA and her team have been working with community members, city officials to put together a report on the viability of this trail. I'll let her hit the highlights of that studies process and its findings. I'd like to first of all thank the city staff who worked together to support this effort, as well as the steering committee who offered input throughout the study, one of which was Council Member Heath as well as Mary John Pugh, who's in attendance this evening. We had a really good team that worked on this. We believe it resulted in a really good product. Those individuals are on page two of the study. I do want to point out that just as we received grant funding entirely to cover the expense of this feasibility study. There was no local funds that were put into this project. It is possible the city could pursue grant funding for the next step in project development, which would be preliminary engineering. We would do that, and put that effort in if Council's feedback this evening is positive, as well as the public's feedback on this as being an important initiative. So I'll turn it over to Nia, I want to thank her for being here this evening and leading us through this process. Thank you Trevor. I'm really happy to be back here. It's been a few months. And Trevor mentioned some of the things I was going to cover, just some of the orgs and institutions that have helped us put together. A lot of city staff took their time out during the day to help us out with information where you're looking for the Integrated Mobility Division at NCDOT with the grant to help cover it. And of course, I love my team at McAdams. We're super fun people, and they make this work fun. So I only have a few minutes with you all. These are a lot of words. I'm gonna go quickly through implementing a greenway. Something Trevor alluded to is what would you do next if you wanted to do this? We'll talk about some highlights in our report. And then Trevor already did the acknowledgmentsgments so I won't necessarily repeat it but I'll put this light up anyway. So real quickly when we're implementing a greenway there's a planning phase where you're like we'd like to have something from here to there you've got a line you're not really sure what it means. At the feasibility study that's where we are right now that's where you start to look into is it really possible what's in the way physically what is there something in the way politically? Do you have community support? So that's where we are right now. There's a lot of things that go into that. We're looking at technical things. What are the grades like? There's a stream in the way. Is there floodplain? In this case, we had a sewer easement. That was something that was a potential help to the project. We had a lot of stakeholders we talked to. We talked to the schools. We talked to a lot of different departments and DOT. Gosh, we talked to so many people. That's what we do. And Trevor was really great at being at those meetings as well to help us make sure we had kind of the city's representation there. And then feasibility studies also allow you to get that kind of gauge on what's the public interest in this project. So we did have a public survey for this project as well as an open house style meeting. And then finally, the other thing about a feasibility study is it kind of sets you up for planning for funding and planning for implementation if that's something you want to pursue. And I just want to, for the folks in the audience or maybe online watching this, I want to make sure that people understand that if feasibility study is not detailed design, like you're not going to open this up and see the exact bridge or crosswalk that's going to be near the park or something. It's also not a guarantee of implementation, right? This body may decide this is not what we want to do right now. We're going to save this for later. And it's also not a request for property. It would be really clear about that. That a feasibility study is not a request for anybody's property or whether that's an easement or an outright acquisition. I didn't go with the rest of the steps in Greenway implementation but if you'd like me to I can go back. I don't have a lot of time. So in this report I know the folks on the council you guys received it before this time and one of the first things we do is we talk with Trevor and a lot of city staff about, what's the goal? What are we trying to achieve here with this study? We looked at context. There's a lot of maps in that report, but for us kind of nerd people that helps us understand what we have to work with, where are the people, where is the stream, how do these things overlay? Is there something historic? Where is the school? how do the buses get to the school? All that plays into how we put it together. We also, we also look at policy. Do you have policies in place to support this project? That's another thing that we look at where there are previous plans. From there we start to develop some alternatives. We know that we want to go from A to B along this creek is one side better than the other. Is there a willing property owner on one side or the other? Is one side cheaper? Because maybe you don't have to build a big bridge. And these are all real things that we talked about on this project. Community engagement, I've already talked about. I thought we did pretty good amount of responses here, especially on our public survey. And the folks who came to our public meeting gave us really great feedback. Evaluation and recommendations, that's where we kind of summarized the technical work and what we think might work well. And then the implementation chapter, that's where you'll see things like some of the parts that we recommend to be in the trail, some of the policies you might want to start putting in place or start planning for, for example, one that I always had on because I used to do capital improvement projects and another municipality is maintenance, right? Like you're building a trail, but who's going to sweep the sand off that thing? So there's a lot of things that we include in there as well, not just building about what happens to the life after. We also talk about funding. You'll see that there is a funding scan in the appendix of this report, which is going to be super helpful. One of the ones that I found was the most helpful for this particular study. There are some grants that are just for helping you pick which grants to go for so that you don't waste time on something you might not be competitive for. And with that, those are kind of all the things we do while we're doing this study. There's a lot to it. You can ask me more questions. I'm going to go on because I only have a few minutes. This is one of my favorite pages in every study that we do. This is what we call the cut sheet. If you only had to describe the project in like one page, just kind of technically what are the parts and pieces? This is my favorite part. I'm kind of a nerd, so I like numbers and maps. But basically this shows you where it is in town. What are the major features around there? What are the major things we're gonna have to construct? So in this case, we've got a path. We're gonna have to have some crossing, some bridges, and so you can go into the report and some other areas and see what those might look like. We're probably going to need to cross the road and have some sort of flashing light there for folks. And then we wanted to end of the park. So we've got a good map of where it is. And then over on the left is kind of the description of some of the things that you'll need to be thinking about moving forward. How many properties might be impacted by this proposed alignment? What kind of permits might we need to be thinking about if we pursue engineering? You're like, how much is this going to cost? This really big one. Enter for this project, we do a rough construction estimate. And then we actually escalate that to when we think you might be able to start building like you said, your first phase. So that's some of the information that's in this cut sheet is one of my favorite parts because you can just kind of get the big snapshot there. But just to take aways it's about one and a half miles long. About we think it's going to be about four million dollars that is a little high. There are two structures that cross the stream they're involved in this project so that's where some of the cost is. It may need a few walls. But it's a good little project and it's very buildable. So I could go on about all the things we looked at here but I'm just move along and y'all can ask me questions later. The other thing I want to highlight that I also find super useful about these is that action plan. This is kind of a list of steps beyond designing the thing that will encourage people to start. You may not need to do every single one of these, but it's there for you. So when I talked about like who's going to sweep the sand off, that's in there. When we talk about maybe you want to put this in front of DOT and see if we can get some funding for them. Who's going to do that? That's the kind of thing you can find in an action plan. It makes suggestions for, is there an agency, for example, the RPO, for example, might be the organization in this case to do that? So those are the kind of things we put in an action plan. And the first one that I always mentioned is adopting the study. Adopting the study does actually open you up to a few things like securing those additional grants. When you get into design, you've got an adopted study that helps you out with your permitting. So adopting the study is a good thing, but again, as we said before, it does not commit you to actually implementing, if you feel like now is at the moment. Some other things that I've noted here is, you know, working with the key partners, so we identify other folks that can help you get this done, pursuing the funding. That's going to be a big one. These are expensive projects. Most municipalities don't have all of that cash, but we've provided some resources to look at. And then I can't hit this enough working with willing property owners. You know, if you find that you don't have willing property owners, you know, maybe there's another path. Maybe there's an alternate route. Maybe there's maybe you do a side path, which is where it's like kind of alongside a road or something. So that's one of the things that I always like to put in there is that you want to be a good project for everyone. So, with that, there's probably like 20 points in action plan, so move on. Those are my favorite parts in the study. Those are some of the ones I find the most useful, but there's a lot in this report. I think it's a couple hundred pages long. Travers already done the acknowledgments, but again, we had spectacular support from Traver Not All, Justin Luck. Kelly, you came out a lot. You gave us a lot of moral support. Mary Jones, we had a lot of talks about funding. And I think I can't remember who was representing parks, but gave us a lot of information about this park in particular. And we're a detailed oriented people. So we really wanted to understand this park in this asset and how we could best bring the trail into this park. So there's some context in the report about this park as well. I think that's all I wanted to say because I'm pretty sure that's been 10 minutes. Any questions? I was really impressed with it. I was reading these 200 pages or whatever it was. My goodness. It was so comprehensive. I've been up here for a while and I've never seen anything that's comprehensive to say. We've got details. I'm a little bit like you. I like to see the maps and read the numbers and things. And not only did you just lay out a plane and said, well, that doesn't work here's plan B. And there were different options that we can look at and go in there. And I think, and maybe it's because I live in North Ashboro. And I see these things on a more regular basis than some other folks do. But I think this is a worthy project for us to adopt this feasibility study. So this has just been fantastic to look at. So thank you for all your effort and everyone else that worked on this. This is outstanding. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it. We love what we do. So, you know, call us anytime. We'll come back. There's a propel of pride involved in public property. And I have the Broadway-of-way number. Look, it's small. And I believe it's in in Bob and I'm parcels. Go ahead. I was, because some other parcels are quite large. Yeah. Some of the other parcels are the private land of the parcels are quite large. One of the parcels is actually an apartment complex that isn't quite large.. I feel like the park maybe the only public part. Yeah there is no public access otherwise. I will say we have had the good response obviously no commitments from anybody but we went out of our way to coordinate communicate with property owners and seek their input and let them know what's happening. So that has been a positive experience. And I just wanted to add, we have advertised this in addition to sending letters to a number of property owners in the corridor. And so it would be appropriate to allow anybody that wishes to speak on this evening there. I want to say last fall we just finished construction on a very similar project in the corners of the greenway to the National Park and also the either end. It was well-versated. There are people waiting while we were ready to try to make sure that they know the short. Well, and just having served on the working group, I just want to echo the thanks to everybody that served on the working group, I just want to echo the thanks to everybody that's served on the working group, City staff, and I certainly support adoption as Councilman Burke's mentioned of this feasibility study. And if you haven't had a chance to look at it, it is incredibly detailed. And even if we don't decide to pursue this as a project, there's still very valuable information in this feasibility study that informs what our citizens are wanting and what they want to see that helps to enhance their quality of life. So thank you, Nea, for all of your work. It was a great group to work with. Come on up, Mary-Jum. Come on up, Mary John. Well, I'm thrilled about this study. This will be Asheville's first greenway. And I know John worked with Archdale for the Creek Side greenway, which is now almost four miles. And this was brought about by the Great Trail State Coalition of trail groups that got together and had the year of the trail. I'm sure you're tired of hearing me talk about that. But we also got this money for greenways because most of the stuff we got was natural surface. So we came back in and got this money. And that's why it was fully funded in Asheboro competed and got the feasibility study. In my mind, the next step is to go for some great trail state program money. Last year in 23, the legislature appropriated the first money for trails. 25 million is for all types of trails, natural surface paved, bike, paddle, question, whole knot, and every phase, feasibility, design, construction, maintenance. So we, you can apply for any of those things. And that's what I would like for you to do here, is to go for the preliminary design of this, so then you'll get into a little bit more detail of that. It's close to my heart because I'm the one that got the grant to buy North Ashboro Park, the developed North Ashboro Park, as a land and water conservation fund. So this is like full circle for me, so I would really like for you to do this and consider putting in the application. It's due September 3rd. So you've got some time to do this and you've got a plan. So you're already halfway there and making the application. And we have the Great Trail State. That's what we're going for now is a Great Trail State. And I'd like to have you all get some stickers for me. Yeah, just a question, which was our to the proposed layout and interesting thing, were you warm ever seeing the property under the various routes. So this was interesting. We did have, I think one of those longest segments, not going to call out names, but they did come to our public meeting and talk with us pretty openly about, you know, their questions. And we received concerns as well. But I think it would say that my big takeaway was that it wasn't a no. I mean that, you know, a lot of times you come out, people are like, nope. And I would say there was open curiosity about the project. And I think Trevor probably had more conversation with them than I did. You know what you asked? Did y'all look at, if this was the phase, would that be phased one where you would go after that would you be able to add over this? Oh absolutely. I didn't know. One thing I noticed in some of the comments was it went along. Yeah, so Mary, we don't mention the Great Trail State Plan and you know if you wanted to pursue that I think it actually proposed from Black River all the way down to the U.s, potentially, you know, what come closer to downtown. You know, we kind of had just one segment to look at here, but yeah, it could be, you know, I didn't look at that and drive out there and look at it all, but it could be studied, you know, what does it take to do the rest? Yeah, I think for the project team, what we felt was important was defining what was implementable and let's see if this is feasible and if it's supported and we can always go from there if it's successful. So certainly opportunities for it to go east and west and further north and south over time. I just want to make sure we're dead in something. Well that was one of the first questions on this slide. Can I have one? Yeah. That was one of the first questions on this slide. Would you pull the microphone? There you go. And hand made the box clean. Is back there at the back. Thank you. Oh. Well, Mayor, can I make a suggestion? Since the feasibility study is pretty lengthy and I don't know if my fellow council members have had a chance to look at it, just a suggestion that we place it on the August agenda to consider approving feasibility study. Is that reasonable? Or I don't know if everybody has having a chance to look at it. Oh, you make a motion to continue this to the August meeting. I'll make a motion that we continue this to the August meeting. I felt that short, she said. Do I have a sec time to get to grant application? You guys don't have to hit to get the grant application. That's what I think. Mary, you're okay, right? I think we'll be okay if it. We do have a deadline. We put it on as an acknowledgement this evening, just to give time for the council to review it. So that would not be a problem, I don't think, for our time frame. All right. So I have a motion by Ms. Heap, and a second, where was the second? Second. Second. Second, Mr. Swearer's to table the possible acceptance of this. Or continue in the ball. We have to final vote in August. Yeah. If I may ask a question of the phone. I mean, I don't know. I'm personally ready to adopt a study, and then maybe defer the pursuit of the grant funding for the design phase to the next month. But I'm personally ready to move forward. I am sure. I didn't want to assume that the had a chance to look at it. I figured it is very lengthy, but at this moment I'm ready to. It was there's an objection. Yeah. I will want to withdraw. I will withdraw my mission. Yes. Yes. I just wanted to be sure everybody had a chance to look at it, because it is like 200 pages. So a lot of information. I don't information. I mean, yes. All right. So, now I'll entertain a motion that we accept this presentation by reference. I will make a motion that we accept this presentation on the North Ashburg Greenway Feusibility City by reference so that we can move forward. All right I have a motion by Ms. Heath do I have a second second. Second Mr. Berks discussion. On February say aye. Aye. All opposed. Opposient carries. Thank you so much for all the hard work. This thing downright. You know, we've said in all the years, I've been sitting there, we've said, if you just get a little bit on the ground, the rest will be easy. And that's the key to getting a greenway in place is showing people that many people is not what they expected to be and getting a good start with something that's momentum. So all right. Now this is the point time, advertised time for public comment period. Is there anyone in the audience tonight that would like to address the council on any items of city, business or concern? Phil, come on up, sir. Mr. Schien, I'm sorry. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, counsel. I know you got lots to do tonight, but I've got a snapshot history lesson for you. 1970, when Ashboro took in North Ashboro, we became one city, but we had two fire departments. And at that time, my dad had been on there forever. in the last year of the year. We had a lot of work in the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of the last year of and joined the firing department, but I did. So that was the North Ashboro Central Falls sanitary district. And I can remember getting water lines up there in fire hydrants, this was because I was raised in North Ashboro, that's home. But that was a big day. At that time, volunteers from North Ashboro came to the city of Ashboro. We had 50 volunteers at that time, and maybe a half a dozen fired full-time firemen. It's changed a lot, obviously. Chief McLaughlin hired me at that time. In 2005, I was the last volunteer to go out and have 34 years in. I retired as Assistant Chief. My dad retired as Assistant Chief and my uncle Roy Merritt died who both received me retired assistant chief. So, a little history lesson there for the fire department. I still go by the two or three times a week. I don't know anybody. I always get to be my grandchild and most of the firemen. But anyway, it's still in my heart my heart, just born and raised there. So it was a great time, a great brotherhood and just in your blood. And it was a great association. It really merging those two communities. Absolutely. The city of Ashburay and the Central Falls Sanitary Disabilities. And we are, for those of a cemetery. Oh, sanitary, yeah. Uh, and we are for those over in the room. We are using that station that was built at that time. Yeah. Yeah. 1971 when that station was open. So, and now we want to build a third station. So, uh, it's amazing to see how far we've come and have we've gone. Yeah. Second, second snapshot, I could not find it at home, but I have a Curious Tribune paper. 1930 something. And ended on the front pages in Oracle about Ashboro building city lakes. And there's also a picture from an aircraft taking the picture of the lakes. And in reading it, if I remember correctly, there was a lot of pushback on why all the city council's building lakes. It was a big deal then. It's a big deal now, you know, 100 years later. But I thought there was, I wish I could find it, but I looked and looked. It's home somewhere, but I'd like to bring it one day and let you see it. I bet, damn, I still got it. The original coffee problem. Yeah. But anyway. So that kind of segues into what I'm saying here is I've been here several meetings that came through the budget thing. I heard Ms. Reeves do a presentation on the budget health type monies being, seem like everything comes back to the dollar regardless. So then I see now that we're going to have some luxury apartments. We're going to have 300 more houses south of here, supposedly for a number. We're going to have some water going to the Wolfspeed plant, I understand correctly, and some other areas. So we got a lot of water, it's gonna be needed daily. And I've heard the water plant discussed. I think you're looking at updating it maybe, and I think about that. But probably wouldn't be a don't throw any cold water on everybody's plan here for everything's pretty. We spend a lot of moneyity cold water on everybody's plan here for everything's pretty. We've spent a lot of money on pretty, on parks and ball parks and sports flexes and walkways and greenways, but we're not thinking about our infrastructure, water and sewer. And when you ride through Asperger now, who is supposed to be the premier city for the North Carolina Zoo, it's like a plowed field in a lot so many roads. Even in my house there's six patches in front of my house where they keep putting the water lines back together. Not only there, but just anyone. Look at Greensboro Street. I don't have to tell you, you all live here. But we need, and I'm concerned about our infrastructure. If I can just put it that way, our water and sewer because I guess Mr. Moon, you can tell me how old it is. I have no idea. It's got to be 75, 80 years old most of it or more. Or more, yeah. I'm sure there's probably some terracotta still in the ground somewhere. Yeah, dug up some last week. Yeah. When the Red Dead Sun said that Avenue going up toward the Bible had some of that, the wood pipe was been gone. It was a tunnel. Oh, I would aren't. That's amazing to see all wooden lines like that. I was seeing those. Yeah. But that's just a concern to my own and I would think that I would see somewhere in the in the bi-crumbs or it's being some grant money looked after, look for. I don't have any more gallons. This is going to require for us to go east and south and what have you. Several gallons a day. I think Mr. Burke said our plan would produce 12 million gallons a day, is that correct? Is it still capable of doing that without an upgrade? No, it needs an upgrade to go with the 9 to 12. OK, so we need to go there. And we don't know what these plants are going to use. I mean, they may say we're going to use a million a day. And boom, all of a sudden, they've changed production. It's two million a day. We're going to be able to cover that. I don't think we're drawing any water out of lake number four right now, if I understand that correctly, because there's a problem there with the filter gate. Entech. Entech, yeah. Entech, rust you out at the bottom. Right, so, you know, and I think that was trying to be fixed at one time and it didn't happen on the one that wasn't, but it expensive things. But is it not necessary to have so we can have that water source? It is. I mean, is it, can you, can you, can you keep it norin at the, we put variable speed pump drives to come out of reach was more economical feasible for our current level of production or I'm for me. current level of production around 4 of me and God was that. It's just, it was most economical answer at the time. Our need a lot has changed as you're eluding to it. You know, would the anticipated need come in a, I can only imagine order resources that will take the sprung for me in seven square foot building. For how many hours? It need be. Yeah. That will be at Orange Tank and somebody's got a fillet. It's going to be easy to deal with fillet. That may in gallon tank to be gone in her room. Unfortunately, we're not. We'll be sprinkling that bill. But we are not. There's always more to go. Somewhere down here. That's right. I was the earlier in the agenda tonight where we discussed joining the pretty much early regional water authority that's part of that overall plan so that we can tie that system to our system to have additional quantity available to sell to Wolfsweed and to Ramsewer and to Franklinville. As would go forward, then he even has water winds. Wars are fought over water. Well, that's exactly right. That's the thing about this news by Prol. People were upset over why do we need water? And now that foresight is really to our advantage but here we've got lake number four game with this intake gate is that not our insurance policy but what good is it to us if you can get it out you know if this line you're talking about from Lake Rhys unbeknownst the plane crash coming knocked the line out what do we do we don't have we don't have round them and yet you know we we for that supply water Yeah, well I mean reverse the PT Yeah, but there are two lines coming from weeks, okay, but the York Red What we're working towards is interconnecting us with PT are done right right so we can so we're not here. This thumbs stuck out all by ourselves. I understand. Part of that though is if we can capitalize on some of their resources we can get additional funding to fix the intake of Lake Lucas which is going to be a tremendous project whether we build a dam Inside the dam and stop the water then go in that cover cover dam And we have done the intake we're talking about the weight of the weight fix it to the bottom of that pipe to fix it Right there's a couple of alternatives one One is the coffer dam, which is a dam inside that cuts water off while we repair the pipe. Right. Another is to drain the lake, which will take two years, three years to refill possibly. I lived a were for a while. I saw it down one time. That's part of this. All the horses that were all working with and against as well as the wastewater treatment side which we need for economic. Right. So there's two sides of that coin and a lot of money in parts. As per has been pretty fortunate that we can stay down here to kind of buy our sales. But as this regionally economy grows and the economic demands on your system are different, we kind of rode the backs for textiles, you know, 100 years. That's clear. Oh yeah. They're not. Not here on textiles, yeah. Not here. Not some people in the room don't realize it. Periodically, we open one of the little lakes. Like bunch of lakes. We draw off a Macquarie and Bunch to make sure we can still draw off of those lakes and the quality. And I believe I've heard Michael say the quality in those two lakes is probably better than the quality in Lucas or Reese. Wow. So I would think Reese about once a year or once a year, we'll open that those gates and we'll draw off of the two little lakes used to be three. But one, the dam was breached and it's dry now, but we have two lakes and still a pretty good capacity. And we just like to know that they're available when, when and if we need them. So we draw for those about once a year, every so often just make sure that they're working and the quality is good. So John, you know, John, it's a big puzzle and lots of moving parts and one of the biggest parts of this is to tie our system to the regional water authority system which gives us more capacity in other areas. You know, a few years back we went up the bypass with a 16-inch line. Parallel to an interstate so that we could loop. We were in a situation where if water pipe broke on up there around Hardens furniture somewhere north asperer is out of water because it wasn't a looped delivery system and the fight broke and that was it until we got it fixed so we put that pipe in so that it is looped and we had adequate supply for the industry that's in north asboro, the people that need lots of water. They tend to be our larger employers. And when Champagne was up there, that was a big user. And Sierra Leone, you know, that was her first start talking to us, but they were saying a couple of me in a day, and now we're three, four me. And so there you are. And that's what it's saying while I go. And they say two and it makes me four. And we've talked about that and in the water supply and the lakes and all that. But we still have an answer to questions. What about our water and sewer with industry elements? Our lines. When we're going to start putting those in. As you mentioned, there are three components of this. This is raw water displacement in the distribution system. And 50% of our moa problem, the condition of our streets and the seat are due to utility recovery. Exactly. I mean, the street may or may not could have lasted longer, but I still, very well. A lot of areas are showing. But the post of the rough ride, and I was coming from patches. Well, I take a patch on a patch. We had a break up there at the bridge store at Hardens. And what month later, two months later, we had within just a few feet, another break on the same line. There's five patches on redding right there now within 75 feet in two weeks. And the reason for that was coming down the hill we can to keep digging and digging and digging to find good pipe to fix it to repair it adequately so you don't just fix the broken part, you fix the next part of the skull break. Well I just don't want to see us to do you know have a plan and work your plan. Fable Street took two years to get and then what do we do? We go right down there and here we go with water plants. Yeah. But it happened. We've got 400 miles of pipe underground, which is essentially from our front porch, right there to the front porch of this city hall and Wilmington, Delaware. Well, there's a lot. You know it's out of sight, out of mind, but the average person doesn't use it. You're familiar with what we do in our business. So there's a lot of pipe underground. So she's got their water off they know it. They'll hear every year. They'll hear me one man. We raise the water and sewer rates 2%, which is probably about a fifth of what they needed to be raised to make a deal. City Greensboro raised her as nine. I saw that. City of Redsville raised her as 35%, 35%. I saw that. They had put off these shoes until they were out of options. The state was going to come in and take it over if they didn't do it. How fast do you want to fix what? Well, here again, it's fine. When you're out of water, you, whatever, and we have in our budget every year a certain amount of footage for replacement. We still got steel galvanized. Galvanized lines in the ground and you know galvanized lines. I'll replace mine. Get smaller, smaller, and smaller until there's no water passing or at all. When you live over here, I have no water pressure. It doesn't matter. I live 1,000 feet from a million gallon tank, and I got 50 pounds of water pressure, because I don't live far enough from the tank. I mean, you told it miles are last longer. It's pill, yeah. Copper lines. Thanks for the inquiry. But that's my comment. not, you know, we're gonna spend, I hear $4 million from a green way and a million dollars from a park over here, a two million for a park on it. We're not gonna spend $4 million on a green way. We just passed a feasibility study. We're just looking at it and talking about it. And that's great. And the honors can be clear. But I think it's gonna allow provinces from co-mingling their price funds with general funds. I'll stand. It's all interrelated and it becomes back to the big heading of quality life. I'll talk some way out of this thing. We gotta sell more watermelons. I don't care how big it should be. We gotta sell more. But it's point is we should be managing the system and by responses. We need to start somewhere. We lost. I guess we'll need to start somewhere. We lost. I guess we'll start from the father's point and work back to the tank. We're lost to our number one watered, sure custom, or twice in one year. When champagne went bankrupt and clothes down, they were 800,000 a year in revenue, roughly. And then we settled. That made Sarah Lee the number one customer down here in Duster Park. And then six months later, they moved to Winston Salem, that die house. And so we lost our number one water customer. We went from six, five and a half, six, maybe seven million a day down to three, three and a half million a day, and potable water. In a fixed cost operation. And that's the revenues we could have been using for water, sure, but anyway. Yeah, I mean, and I just thought you're right. You're right. They're not arguing whether we's trying to help you understand what we're doing. I think I do. And we're not sitting here completely oblivious to it. It's just lots of moving parts and it's not easy to deal with. I look at all the pretty going on, but I don't see the ugly that's being prepared. Just two different phones. Yeah. But there's a lot of you getting ready here. Some good. I just talked to Nolan Neil Jackson Sunday and they just came to if the legislature came to recess. They got, I believe he said $3 billion over there and they can't decide where to spend it. I suggest Ashbury every time I see it. And I do too. And I think maybe Senator Craven should be in on his behalf. Senator Craven does his, does a great job of bringing a lot of that to rent. Well, that's true. In previous budget, Macron Burr was the only competitor to it around off the Dr. Moseman. Yeah. Well, I'm hoping maybe we can get some more on it this time. All right. Thank you for your time. I'm sorry it takes long. That's all right. You didn't take 45 minutes. We got paid to go and toured it to 2% water and sewer increased. Her fail was 2-small. And I'm waiting for the July increase. All right. Anybody else needs to address the council? Which is your opportunity? Well, no big. We can have one in just 45 minutes. All right. Okay. Moving on. We won't. I got you got it. Move it on. Is there any item on the consent agenda that council would like to remove for individual discussion. And if there is not, I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. Mayor, I move we approve the consent agenda as presented. I have a motion of Mr. Burke to approve the consent agenda. Do I have a second? Second. Miss Heath is the second discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. Moving to item nine under old business. Mr. Augburn will be presenting. Thank you. Thank you mayor. So, may I remember the council at the June 27th special meeting, we presented a change order to the Terry's plumbing utilities contract as related to the zoo city. Colin helped the zoo city sportsplex and the council asked us to continue that to this. To this meeting and I. City engineer Mr. Laird was on vacation so I asked him to give me more of the details and I prepared this report so. First of all, it calls to council a lot of heartburn and headache because we promised that we were through with this and we wound up that we worked. So one of my responsibilities is to make the following acknowledge that and put up the corrective action in place so that doesn't happen again. So I just wanted to tell you about what we've de-what we've asked Terry to redo and how this is broken down. So, Trevor, please. So what's in this down this path? So the final pay application we'll see from Terry's plumbing utilities and ink. I'll just call it Terry from now on. The complete is contract highlighted that the contract amount is lowered in the total amount of all payments requested. So Michael and Tom and Tammy and the engineering team dug down into all the details and found out that there was an oversight and adjusting for changes in concrete some amount from print, approved change orders number five and change orders number eight. So the change order 12 which received on 6 5 24 was the amount of $75,553.71. As we said on your June 27th agenda, you asked the desk to present it to this night and to give you more detail. As Michael got back from his trip and broke it out, he actually discovered that it was probably a better way to do this with three change orders, a new change order, 12, a new change order, 13, and a new change of 14. new change order, 12 and new change order, 13 and new change order, 14. Now, the work, the concrete work, and it's almost all concrete work, relates to adding these sports fields, converting them from original grass turf to sports turf, the commonly college you know, Astro, down this down there now. We took advantage of us. I said in the memo, I said to you guys, pretty lengthy memo and explains how we got, we went to solve the self-performing as opposed to the traditional design bid-beild methodology of construction. We took advantage of the ARP funds that came down from Washington as part of the American Recovery Act, and we were able to make all the fields turf, not just the one field. We added a con, and that required also a turf required to yet to accommodate foot traffic around it. We added fields three and four. We had to add a concrete drive for safety and maintenance as we, as people go down there and start walking. We added additional walking space, and then we also freed up bleachers from the McCree Park rebuild and brought those to use over there at fields 1 and 2. And then we have won the grant for the fitness work, uh, a court that required additional concrete path. So, Change Order 12, which is the first phase of work. The phase is at the top, the higher end of the sportsplex is actually in the amount of $403,263. And that's to the purpose of this change, it to amend the change order number five, which corrected the concrete flatwork quantity in phase one. Change order five was dated 628-22. So you see by that, that's two years ago, how we were not here to say we didn't drop the ball. We dropped the ball on iron, but Terry dropped the ball on his end too. We added a change order five added 10,774 square feet of concrete flatwork in phase one at a cost of $9, which was $96,966. The actual amount of concrete flat work installed in phase one was 55,581 square feet. That's an additional 45,000 square feet at a cost of $500,229. $129,529,966, gives you $403,263. The Phase 2, the lower part of the sportsplex also required an amendment. That excellent amount was $302,832, would receive that on 7 to 24. Now when Michael got back, he took Terry's original request that we presented on June 27th found how it actually related back to what five and eight had, uh, Terry's folks resinmit it and then we prepared this report for you. So the engineering team is an excellent job of finding this. So I want to report now. The purpose of this change order, the new change over 13, is to amend change order 8, which included crime creep work in the quantities in phase 2. So change order 8 was dated 5, 17, 23. Now, a year ago, and it added 10,061 square feet of concrete flatwork in phase two at a unit cost of $121,120,732. The actual concrete work installed in phase two was $35,297 square feet, additional 25,000 square feet with the cost of $423,564. That amount difference, 423, 564, minus 120, 732, is $302,832, which is the amount at the top line of the slide. Now, one more thing before you jump back, Trevor, please. You'll notice that in contract and change order requests, number 12, the contract concrete was $9 a square foot. In phase two, it's $12 a square foot. Some of you would ask why is the concrete two prices in the original presentation we had scheduled for the last two weeks ago? That's why. And you can see how we had trouble finding it too, because it's two years and one year ago. So that's changed order 13. And they're in that year time, the price of concrete went up $3.2 a square foot. Now, change order 14 is the easiest part of this. This is to reconcile. That was all the add-ons, deducks, updance, down-ducks. And that's $49,458.71, which add up those three 12, 13, and 14. That adds to next slide, please, Trevor. See, add- a change order. 12 is $403,263. Change order 13 is $302,830. Change order 14 is $49,458.71. Thank you, Trevor. Now, what we said at our February workshop, not only were we surprised you guys with this additionalist, Jane Jordan, we surprised us too. So looking back, as a project involved, if it came apparent, that the considerably much more concrete would be required than the original estimates. And what lessons have we learned from this? Which is my job as a CEO of the organization to find out where we were weak. We weren't timely. We gave the council heartburn heart heart ache, and inconvenience them. While managing the own set of this project, utilizing the experience of internal staff as a cost saving mechanism, which we go all the way back to, as I mentioned in my background information, the loss of the Williams in case. The project was simply too large for three employees to manage and the three of us are in this room. Michael Leonard Tomscar, I'm most and me. The concrete cost averages were probably reflected by the contractor on each of the pay applications. The staff process. So when we dug down and all this, we found that the concrete cost is correct. And every square put that he asked for in the pay application is what he gave. We failed to make adjustments in a timely manner, and we know that was a mistake in this project. Now, the corrective action, this is the most important part. This is the last large silk performing project, the organization, it tends to undertake. Okay, also at this time we were doing the sportsplex due to the receiving of grant monies and the demand of the Carolina coastal plain lead and the, quite frankly, the extremely dangerous position with the 80-year-old grandstand in McCree Park. We went up and do two projects at the same time. That turned out to be more than we could about manage to. So why the shell performing has served us well, low these many years, by and tired time here since 1-1-01. It is now time not to use that process anymore. For example, fire station number three in emergency operation center that we will build on zoo parkway We'll use federal dollars and self-performing is not allowed when you use federal dollars The new ashburg regional terminal building which we hope to get federal funding for Will also not allow self-performing self-performing either with Gerald Garden As we intend to use federal dollars and spree it. We have applied for Mary Joan mentioned in the North-Dashburg Park. How it was done. The Land Water Conservation Fund, which is a U.S. federal program. We have a grant application in for that now. It looks positive, maybe we'll know something this fall. And that will require all of these projects will require the traditional method of design, which we won't do, bid, which the end be. So we won't, we'll use the like we do in the large water projects. The general front projects will be that way too. Also, the best practice should have been the contractor change orders for these items to reflect changes should have happened right when they're progress, as the project progressed. But it did not happen in this case. So that's where we are in this project. Next please, Trevor. I'll mention this. We have put this corrective action in place. You'll see that in item number 14. I don't be glad to answer any of the council's questions. John? I want to point out some significant differences. I think your explanation of presentation has been quite candid, very straightforward and accurate. But I think, under the lessons learned, the first paragraph, I think it needs just a little further explanation, not from you, but a live sound, while managing the onset of the project, utilizing the expertise of internal staff, the co-saving mechanism. We realize the project was two large demands for three employees naming yourself my cleaner of tone. I don't want it to go unnoticed. There's many types of management of projects. You've got a complete design and a compass is what you're going to do and you go out there and you hire your subs and you put everything in place. That's considered project management as well. And this went, grew, and as you've actually stated, larger than the capabilities of these numbers of people, the Hanla design bill project of this capacity. This is a large project. I know the various hats at Michael Leonard was wearing them all this and Tom the layout and the statement. I mean, it's. It was quite an accomplishment. It is an accomplishment. We don't want to short change the fact that there have been lessons learned and it's and we don't want to lose the fact that we completed the project and we did save. I think you saved a minimum of $34 million. I was going to guess about $2.8. The $2.8 by performing it and it cost us some heartburn and we were free again. We didn't intend to cast it. It might not be pretty, but it was tasty sausage. That's what, and so, but the compliment everyone that was involved was up down there daily and a lot. That was just a lot went on. Well, it was too big for the way it got, but it was finished. The other issue is, if you could just unring a bell and go back and do it, then it would have been a contract for Terry for $13.8 million, Debbie would have had to pull all the money out of fund balance, put it over here, then had that contract preserved. So as we did it, we managed a fund balance too, which is ultimately what we were trying to do through this project anyway. That being said, we're here today because we missed the addition, an additional amendment to change order number five, two years ago, an additional amendment to change number eight, one year ago. We asked the council to approve these two change orders tonight, which is the new change order 12, the new change order 13, and the new change order 14. So that Terry's plumbing utilities is through at the sportsplex. He has one traco left down there. If you go down there to be picked up and he is done gone out. And minimum where I've designed build business of that mechanism, that magnitude. Period. With this level of staff, so I appreciate. So that, and I didn't want to cancel to know why we did it the way we did it. I want to cancel to know, I'm sorry, why we did it the way we did it. I won't be counseled, no, I'm sorry. Why we did it the way we did it? Why how that it served us well? That's probably not the best methodology going forward on the subject. As these projects get bigger and more complex and we want the council to rest assured that if their corrective actions needed, we will make them. And I thank the council for their time. So we started at a contract price at $3,700,000 and we have changed orders at $10,000. I don't know how that's possible. We just added to his contract. You asked the first contract, the first contract, the Terry was $750,000 plus or minus west in the next contract. Was this price before it was implemented or built or constructed? Or did he build it and then build it? No, we negotiated every change order with it. And how did we miss the concrete by 44,000 square feet on one? Because we added the turf fields in the middle of the project. Did we pay for the turf field? I mean we paid for it, did we pay Terry or did we, if we're self-performing, why did we not pay for it? Because it's a charge in there for it. Terrible state contract for our keystone, our keystone purchasing range. So we've been, we've bought those do this purchasing alliance that the state allows us to do. Okay, well there's a change order in there for a million two, change order four for a million two. It's on him and I didn't know why if we're self-performing, we're paying somebody and it shows that we paid it to Terry. It's on his schedule, it's on his bill statement. I don't, what was change order two? I mean, was change order two field one? No, change order four. It's changing order four field one. If we do one field with Terry and seven fields with field turf, I would have to go back and look. Believe that's right. I'm not alone. Because change order four, me and two, 82. And it says, been bleeding 100 100 percent and how poor self-performing we don't need to run that to a contractor. Because I mean, there's a percentage. I don't want money to run it through my business. I know he does, but why we didn't just buy a straightener. I think Terry Conn, we contracted with Terry to do field one and he subbed out two fields. Is that not right? I have to look at that up. I'm pretty sure that's what happened. That was my recollection. So what? That was my recollection. Yeah. And then we got to many to do the other seven and we went directly. We went direct to the contract. But we still had to do the contract work around those. Around all of them. Before the current contract. Did you know if we had a price escalation clause in that contract? And I'm relating that back to the nine to the $12. I'm going to use that price unit price. It typically stays in there unless you have a price escalation. And if you do have a price escalation, you have to have written proof that it was that way. Or did we just say prices went up and we went to $12? There is most specific, as I recall, who went through it. I don't remember if there's specific word in the contract beyond stating that the prices would be negotiated go more, it does specifically say, you know, to justify it or anything like that. It does make mention of discussing or negotiating different prices, if it goes along. Well, I just, I mean, typically when you have a budget number or a unit price of $9 in this case, in a contract, that's the use when you run over not 44,000 square feet over that should have been bid as a single item because $9.12 square foot sort of encompasses anything and everything you run across. I know it was COVID because we put process collection clause on everything we did because you don't know prices were changing that quick but the reason I ask it sound three dollars that sound like much, but if you do the math, that's almost $384,000 more cost a city. A dollar a foot when it made a big difference. And I shared with an earlier meeting that that price, I don't know what I went in that price, but it seems to be on the higher end what I could get it done for. And that's all I'm asking. And that's why I was saying, if you have a process, collation clause in there, and even if you change it, there should have been improved. OK, here's my concrete bill before, here's my concrete bill after. And then you know, it has to be justified. It's just can't say that. My price went on. Well, the price is over a year apart. There were different change orders. If there's price can allow orders as they were pricing allowed for once one tank orders completed, total, whether it was a specific unit price, reach quantity, because of quantity. They applied it to all the extra concrete. So it was a single unit price. It was a year apart. I mean, it was. It was, but it did. That says that it went up 35%. But no, they were different locations. So they asked for the workers completed a one-tank order for that quantity. A year later they had another location and they added it and apparently they asked for another price. I know on state contract you don't have to use on a major bid out of it. You run up to exceeds it over 100% you get to reprocid any what I mean you're not you're not held with that unit price once the quantity changes certain amount. So you're right, but you also have to be figured and prove what you've got. And you don't just get to send an invoice. Exactly. And that's because we don't completely go up. And I didn't even have on any of these, but well, we're not arguing that the statute not arguing that the methodology needs to be changed. That's why we purposely recommend a corrective action. And on the next projects, we won't do them the way we did this project or the previous 26 we've done or whatever. That's that's that's the corrective action. Did was this our billing if this is the The engineers compliment. I mean engineers counterpart to the document Is that what we used or is that something contract used that was you talking about the path? Yeah, well, yeah, the payout that was sitting by the contract. Okay. Did he send in these change orders too? I mean, did these change orders that would be revised and everything like that? Is he the one to revive? I just didn't wonder why he didn't use the same program for the change order because there's a form 950, 41, excuse me. It goes. So according to our book, it says they need to be used that particular change order. The one that's in that one that was in our contract. The one that it would be, I don't have the else packet. This one, Michael. Yes. Well, if you'll look down there on under approval, it says to be effective, this change order must be approved in accordance with the contract documents. And that tindles the membership in the beforehand. And it says the instrument has been pre-ordered. Now I'll get off of that. I mean some of this procedure was, I don't like I said, you're right, Walker, when it gets to a certain quantity of changes as far as you have the ability to recoil. Yeah, exactly. But we just paid a unit price. And, you know, we're self-performing. We should have got more concrete prices. I mean, if that's how you figure this up, I mean, for self-performing. We should have got more concrete prices. I mean, if that's how you figure it goes up. I mean, for self-performing, then we're, I mean, he's just a sub to us. If I understand how we're self-performing. Yeah, I think the term self-performing is probably for all of the proof. So it's either the mind. The technology, I think we self-designed, we self-helped, and then we had an... I could argue that he was Terry Asselber a prime, as practical might have, not interrupted the formal occupies. And that's what I've heard in the Co-Mingland of Who was Doing What? I think that had required a bit of this confusion, which I think is. So this over? Are there going to discontinue this met the project out ran the resources? Well, I remember very well the lawsuit that was mentioned in the print we got. I was standing there. I remember. And one of the reasons the main I was standing there, I'm the number of verbal ones. And one of the reasons, the main reason was that there was litigation with that particular contractor all over the state. And the city really didn't want to bid it, but the city couldn't allow them not to. He was notorious for bidding low and having a bunch of change orders. And he had to ask five excavation job and he said the city didn't make him a variable. Exactly. Underground connects. And, uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, as it related to the dust trails. I think it was. Yeah, the, it inscribable dust trails. They didn't have a unit price. And here, typically on these things, you can't close these things unless you have a unit price in there. Every line's gotta be full, or it bales good. And I know he gave us credit. And some point down. Right, but yeah. But it should have been a unit price in there, because I know he gave the which is another 28,000 square feet of that. Because I know we credited back against the the walking trail, a pavement walk trail. The last thing I got, and the reason I asked about it if we're prime or not, I'll see if there's a payment $50,000 for a bond and insurance. That was on the 3.7 million. Okay, what about the 13 million? I mean 3.7 million. Okay. What about the 13 million? I mean, the 10 million. Is that, is that covered somewhere in the office? I'm assuming that he has covered that because our bond... We all know what happens when we assume. The bond was updated. The last update was for 13.4 8 on 49 to 20.24. Okay, so he's got we were covering all the way. It's been updated. Okay. He didn't pass those. I don't know that he passed up directly on to. Yeah, I did. I mean, that's $2,000. Good for 10 million. If you've got 50,000, if you've got $50,000 on $3,000, I mean, that's why I don't come back and buy this. You know, I'm going to rent out for working as part of the page. I'm going to rent out for $3,000. Yeah. If he's got a good funding right on that part of the page. changes. Well, they'll come back. They'll audit it. They'll audit it. That's the thing. If he hadn't done it, and if we don't have it recorded, they'll come back and they'll want to report that the job is closed. And they'll want it what it's closed for. And if there's only 50,000 showing on our pay app that's been paid, they're going to want the difference. If that difference if that in fact there is a difference but if we have if we have documentation that bond is updated so the last update was through Cincinnati insurance company the last update that I did was 492024 okay so just a couple months back and it was 13484,819 or $13 million. Yeah, I got you. Okay, so they're aware of it. I just don't want, like I said, it should show somewhere where it's been paying. It's still that just 50,000 for bond. Because you get, I mean, that gets forgotten a lot on smaller jobs when you add, you know, $10,000. But you still got to put in it, something for bond. So, along those lines, I had, and this is a question, probably as I got to, but we've got these, supposedly time change, with our full explanation of it, and everybody sent you the agreement, because these could be on the phone. What I don't know is, along with the, whether it's the AI or the engineering forms, I must put the engineering over the IA. I like the IA. As the Russians did as intended. But have we got documents prepared for the final adjustment change order to make sure everyone in college has matched ones to do, and as soon as is carry prepared to sign the teaser to final quantities and sign off on the product. Because without that we've not got a part of the contract. Would you agree with that, Jordan? Oh, look, and I'm not in favor of paying it until we have that. Well, and that should be part of the final submittals. Yeah, I need a report. I mean, I've got permanent on my clothes out documents to get my retainers or where in my house. I don't know the legal devil in that chair. I see a attorney but we need a sheet that says, if I find any additional calls after this, I receive this check. Listen, I can't walk the phone. I mean, is this key? It's coming in the button. It's the last one. Well, see, typically you give leeway, but you can't put a leeway against the city. So therefore we need some other type of document that says, I am paid in full. And even if I realize that I've found, I stumble on a cost another change order, which in this case could be possible. I'm not billing, but I cannot be paid, I will be expected to be paid for. Well, I'm assuming Terry's turned in all his wing waivers with that repatriate quest like he's supposed to do and he's also, I would have said, turning the sales tax report because the city gets a reimbursement for that. So those doctors, supposed to be taking care of monthly, is that correct? That's correct. So, moreover pay that because occasionally he would not do it every month. Yeah, that was in. And I think we're saying the same thing. My biggest concern about this whole thing was that this document gives you as the project manager on a daily basis, you know exactly what a job's name is. You know what I'm saying? And it's his responsibility to get that change over to you and for you to get assigned and send it back so it's part of the record. And then the next pay app is added to it and everything's adjusted out. And we're not doing everything playing catch up because some of that I know is just a balance out. It's numbers and nothing to do with actually cost. But I don't know how and I don I'm flabbergasted that we have another change order. This amount come up now that we just now are finding out about it because we were told it was and I appreciate the explanation but you know the ball was dropped and we got to move on and I want it in writing that this is it. There isn't any more change orders on this particular project because and it will probably take this subject come up some type of documents since we don't really have it. I want it in at that and I want it in hand before the check is given to them. I don't think that's a reasonable statement. How I don't know that we need a document from J.M. but we certainly can get it on. think the catalog covers it, but if it does not, the J.F. satisfaction, then we'll get something that does. Well, this the catalog or the contract or all this other stuff is not suffice. Now, let me say in terms of the final quote, I'll buck you in the text and go on the engineer and pay out case of forms. One of the forms plainly is, you know, for final adjustment, change order in the final state and the quantities and this is acceptance of the project. You know, we've got a similar acceptance. He's got to get his bond closed out. There's 34 documents that didn't like. Well, I'm just saying this hasn't worked yet. And, well, it's going to have to work this time. Well, that's what, well, I know, but I'm just saying this hasn't worked yet. Well, that's what I know, but I'm just saying this has been all, it's been wrong, it's not filled out correctly half the time. There's no reason to trust this document to close out this job. Well, I mean, you can use that, but I think there needs to be a clear state. I agree with that. And in terms of, I think we're trying to say the time time. In fact I'd go so far as to it's it'd be okay with you I'd like my commotion. I'd like a motion that we've approved to change orders 12 13 and 14 And as part of that motion, the payment would be conditioned upon all the final close-up contract documents with Terry's Plenty New Utility Supply. Whatever document and counsels and one of the three of the programs that we have standard in Poland or in addition to that, if you think I'm strong sort of a document that you've drafted as well. The payment has been received in full and the project is closed out and we're done. I'm going to receive a payment that closes and we're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, you're your 100% sure there's nothing else in anything else land out there. I mean we do this all the time and enjoy this all the time. I mean we got to close out and balance with the state that we do not get our athletic payment. You can get progress payments all along with what's this call it 95% from quantities and things in motion. The final is the final. That's a sacred dog. No coming back. Let's have to get a release of charity. That's what I'm saying. That's why I was concerned about it. He sent me the information to release the charity. He sent me the pay app for a certain amount plus a separate path for retaining. Yes and this is raised protection as well as our. You want to re-state your motion, please. Sure. The simplified, get it, or the motion is is less discussion or more directive. I make a motion and we approve. Change orders 12 13 14 Terry's plenty of utilities has been presented by the manager John Arbor and that payment of these will be considered final payment and will be paid upon receipt of all contract clothes out talking to someone. Is that clear enough? Yes. As far as for the minutes, it is. Yeah. What we are desiring. Yeah. Yeah. We got it all in hand before we release the last check. I mean, the final payment next. That's normal. That's not. Oh, yeah. That's not punitive for anyone. That's normal. You get to final pay yeah. That's not punitive for anyone. That's normal for me. You just don't know if I'm in the party when you get all of your stuff together. All right. We got a motion. I have a second. Second. Second. Say you're going to miss your berks. A discussion. A little more. A discussion. If If it does not find a good question down there all right all in favor say aye all opposed like time motion carries thank you But he had popped in this room. No, we did that. So we need to do item 8, 8, 8. The unistast, but maybe the issue is going to be. Oh, he's going to have to raise. 8, 10, 8. Yeah, right. Yes, yes. Mayor and council, in your packets are two ordinances for your consideration. The first ordinance is an ordinance to amend the state capital infrastructure grant fund. The second ordinance is to amend the zoo city sportsplex fund. These ordinances need to be adopted separately and in order. Some of the three change orders Mr. Augerne has presented to you is $75,533.71. The ordinance to amend the state capital infrastructure grant fund authorizes the transfer of state capital infrastructure grant monies to the zoo city sports flights to cover the cost of these three change orders. I recommend adoption of reference for the ordinance to amend the escape state capital infrastructure grant fund. We have a recommendation of staff to adopt our reference, of this ordinance of the ordinance. Do I have a motion? Mayor Meeb, we adopt the ordinance to amend the state, capital and infrastructure grant fund by reference. Have a motion, Mr. Bell. Do I have a second? Second. Mell. Do I have a second? Second. Second. Mr. Burke? Yes. Discussion? Oh, whoever say aye. Aye. Oh, pose. Motion carries. The next ordinance is an ordinance to amend the Zoo City Sports Flex Fund. This ordinance does three things. First, it renames the project fund go along with a new naming contract. You call Cone Health Zoo City Sports Flex Fund. Second, it recognized the receipt of pledge contributions from the North Carolina Community Foundation in 185,336 dollars and 87 cents. Because our fundraising campaign is closed, we have closed that account with the community foundations, so now we can recognize those funds. Third, it recognizes the receipt of the funds from the SCIF grant fund that you just approved. I recommend adoption by reference. Do I have a motion? Mayor, I'll move that we approve this ordinance to amend the Zucity Sports Flex Project Fund by reference. I have a motion by Ms. Hague. Do I have a second. Second. Second. Second. Mr. Bale. Yes. Discussion. Oh, my favorite say aye. Aye. Oh, opposed, like sign? Motion carries. Thank you. Mr. Nuddle, item 11. You have a requesting authorization to enter into an agreement with Wayneman Homes. Thank you, Mayor. City staff has continued to work with the Ashboro Housing Authority through its non-profit corporation Wayne Menhomes with the rehabilitation of Caspin Homes, which is owned by Wayne Men. You'll recall the Housing Authority and the Community Development Division have worked together to secure $950,000 in community development block grant funding. That's been conditionally awarded subject to the city submitting the necessary agreements and documents, one of which is before this evening. A specific requirement is executing a, which is known as a subrecipient agreement, which spells out how the city intends to work with Wayneman Homes to carry out the project and use those federal dollars that are passed through the state. The agreement has been drafted. It is included in your agenda packet. It uses a template that's generally acceptable to the State Department of Commerce, who is the administrator of these federal funds. Hopefully you've had a chance to look through that. I'll be glad to answer any questions about it. Otherwise, it is our recommendation for Council to authorize execution of this agreement. And I would ask for that to be in the form of a motion by the board. Thank you. It's a formal motion to authorize that subrecipient agreement to be executed. Questions of Mr. Nuddle? Who have a motion? Mayor, we have put an execution of subrecipient agreement that we can see the vast part of the subrecipitation and the city of Ashford. I'm going to turn my Mr. Bale to the other second. Second. Let's see. Yes. Discussion? All the favour say aye. Aye. All opposed? Opposed? All the favour say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. Mr. Roni, you have 12 A, which is a request. Council action or resolution to approve for the city of Ashburg, Oklahoma. Yes, Mayor, Councilmembers. Actually, annually update the Slok Water Supply Plan state the EQ site, the planning division, as an online portal that I enter that into annually. But every five years they require me to present that plan to you as the council just to see that we are doing this planning and just keeping you up to date with our water supply and its condition. So with that just some real quick highlights for this is calendar year 2023. It's a calendar year and we submitted in April 1st of every next year to get all the data together. From our lakes we withdrew 1.8, 1.5 billion gallons of water for an average of 4.974 million gallons a day. At our wastewater plant they just like to look at those numbers. We discharged an average of 3.674 million gallons per day. So those were just highlights there. Where the water came from? Yes, we did lose, use Lucas Summit in 2023 for about a month, not quite. But those are the numbers 1 billion, 1.4 billion gallons from Reese and 355 million from Lucas. We did not use bunch that year. It also wants to still, actually, their plan calls for four different divisions, residential, commercial, industrial, and institutional. We don't have those categories broken out in our billing system, so we just do residential business. So I kind of do some magic numbers there. They're not real particular about it, so they're giving me the freedom to do those things. We've discussed it. But those are kind of our breakouts with our meter connections. Once again, we're very heavily residential. We're in it. And but you look at our total build meters is 3.4 million gallons a day. And we use an average of 1,500 gallons of water a day in process and I'm gonna get on that a little bit more So that total is a 3.9 of four million gallons a day You'll go back and look we would draw 4.9 We're averaging Between three quarters of a million two million gallons a day in water loss Some of that I still say is in the process water. We're not counting for in other loss water loss. Some of that I still say is in the process water we're not counting for in other loss. Water loss up to a million gallons. Up to a million gallons a day. Up to .9, yeah, .90 million gallons a day. It's everywhere. It's leaking and once again it's accounting for some of our process water that they're not doing but and probably some theft and bop too That's where we are And I can It's a lot of water. That's a lot of water So um, so that's why they want to do this plan But those are the numbers. Please tell the we average average $11,000 a day to Randleman, $279,000 a day to see Grivula. That's our system sales. The big part is they want us to do planning. So population planning, this is formulas they give me. I've updated those with some of the things Trevor and I've been working on and some of the plans we've done. Those are some projections we have. I will say they're great, but that's what we have to work with. I've dated the demand myself. The Q staff, come back and said they didn't like the way I did it. So these are the numbers we were given as far as our projections. I think they should be a little higher because of growth and water we're sending out. But that's where we are through 2060, what our demand should be according to the plan. Once again, I don't really call this a plan. It's not a document I produce. It's data I enter in a database. And they don't even really allow me to print it out. This is what you have in your hands is something I created from their database. I'm sure not consistent of the numbers in EDC. Exactly. That's what I said. I tried to grow those numbers a little bit. So anyway, but that is the plan that is on their website. You need action. I do. You have a resolution in your package to approve this plan by the board. I have a motion to approve the as per a local water supply plan by the river. There I have a motion by Mr. Bail, do I have a second? Second. Second. Second, Mr. Swayers. Discussion? Oh, a favor say aye. Aye. Oh, post, likes aye. Motion carries. Item 12 B. You're going to give us something, then, all wall speed. Yes. I think I've had four forward days this week and three days have been solid. Nothing but meetings, mobile speed, water line. So anyway, just an update on how the project is proceeding. We've broken the project into four segments. First segment is the existing time back into our existing line at Metabook. That's going to be our line in this project on? Oh, that's their hard at doing. Is it touch? It's not touch. Obviously it's not. No. Anyway, if you follow out the press and all, you see a little hook. I've got the magenta color there. You see it does the follow press and street all the way to Highway 64. We ran into some issues where there's a 90 degree dog leg. That is the Duke Energy Maintenance Site, the old site that we're moving out of, but we have a lot of conflicts there with the water line. There's no right of way, there's no way we can get an easement. Also following the 64 corridor, we were gonna have to stay out of the controlled access, which gave us limited access to that line. And actually what they proposed to do is to follow, that is the Duke Energy transmission line that is following. We're going to get additional easement parallel to Duke's and follow that route. And I followed it for a while, but then I looked at it, and I think we have better access there than we do following the control access. She's going to be on the blue left side of the road and existing lines on the opposite side of the road. Yes, outside going up. And what you see there at the very east side of that map is where it's going to cross under and tie into our existing 12 inch line. And that's where we're going to meet her. And from that point on. I'll get into the purple mark. Yes, and then purple mark. From that point on, it will be metered and that will, our customer will be the Eastern Randolph Water District. That was what we had promised Frank to unveil. Nope, that's gonna be Eastern Randolph's business to take care of. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, he's don't matter, but they do. I can show you a copy of the model. I have that in my hands, sir. We've got that taken care of. Okay, so that's phase one. Phase two picks up there. Now, let me go back. I will add. It's a later slide, but I'll go ahead. This is a reference to it. They have completed the model. I was supposed to have the final version of the model today. We talked about an emitting. He's made some changes to us. He's got to produce it. It should be complete tomorrow. But the model is showing us. We're going to have we looked at the 12 inch on our system. I like the 16 inch idea and the model supports it so they're going to give us the 16 inch paralleling our system in the 12 inch and where we start the meter will become a 20-inch line and it will be 20-inch line for each round off district going east down 64 There were some questions. We were meeting with county representatives today and they were looking and Do we need 24 inches in places? They might go back and tweak the model a bit just look at it, but I don't think it's gonna change Right now the plan is it will be 20 inch line the entirety of the project to will speak once it leaves our system. But the route follows 64 east all the way to what's the name of the road? It makes a 90 degree turn there that's where the western where shop is in Franklinville. It's going to immediately follow the street going into Ramsoor. We're staying off 64-1 through Ramsoor making a river crossing at a much more narrow location. That's almost final. They're supposed to make their final decision on that tomorrow. They have found an existing sewer outfall across as the river in Ramsoor behind the historic plant. And we're going to follow that sewer easement. It should be easy to follow and get through town that way. But going back, Wooten is doing phase one engineering. This is LKC engineering is doing this phase. So that's phase two, but that gets us across the river. Phase three picks up in town, it crosses the river, and Woon's already going to work for Ramsoor, and they're doing this engineering phase, and that gets us through Ramsoor back out to 64, out to the road where at Easterinoff High School, Easterinel High School route. And that's phase three. Phase four picks up at Easterinel High School, parallel 64 all the way to the Chatham County line. No, all that line being either Ramfer won't be utilized any Ramfer. Because I like to look like that one parallel and one of the biggest line is that you should go from the water tower out to the middle. And we, there were provisions, we put a provision in for them to tie into that line. So they're gonna be abandoned that line? No, they're just gonna, they're literally, they're just gonna make a native tap and boost into it. Not that they need the water done or either, but I would not have reached the end. So that's the plan. But there will be a master meter from for Eastern Randolph water district to sell to three rivers utility who was the new utility in Sanford. It's taking over the Sanford, Pittsburgh and South of city systems. That's almost final now. So they will be the provider to the Wolfsweets type. So those are the four phases going back to Wooden's. We're going to sell them. And they'll sell. We're selling to Easter and Easter and selling to three rivers, three rivers, and three to the Elm later then. Yes. So now the sudden after all this, Salar City is going to get they actually had the water. Salar City is still contributing the 1 million to the project. Yes. I know who it is. Well, I think Salar City received a lot of money from the state. The state realized that Pittsburgh and Salar City made it on of the technical capability to upgrade theirs to the future. The state kind of developed this plan. Much like the PWRWA, three rivers, which is Sanford, which does Lee County, Fitzboro, and Sotter City, and what leads to be to what they'd be three river customers. Oh, they really didn't have the water before the chicken plant opened back up. They wouldn't have back up there. Absolutely didn't offer it to water. Three rivers plant opened back up. The other day they opened back up. They absolutely didn't offer any water. And three rivers are selling the worst fleet. Yes. Because it's in their district. Well, they're authority. You tell the agreement. They're authority. Yes. Which I find, I mean, I don't care if you find it. I'll leave. Sell in the water and get my passport. You'll correct. So, but to rephrase. No, please ask questions. I did. I did. I'm going back to that square. I had a car something to do with gallons a day. Yes. And there talked somebody said earlier, and we're better maybe looking at three or four million now. And now we got, where's there? We got nine. We need to get to 12, but we're only or four million now. And now we've got, we're sure we've got nine. We need to get to 12, but we're only doing nine million gallons. We can only do nine million a day right now. No, we can treat 12. We can't treat 12. We really, we can treat 12 whether or not we can put 12 in the system as our issue. We don't have the distribution lines to... When this, if we don't fare as to what Mr. Scheng was bringing us, then we may have a capacity if we don't do something else before. Well, the addition of this line though, you can distribute the soil if it's going that way. Well, but if there's, there's, is that correct? Well, he's going to miss him. Not exactly. We're going to be able to, with what going to be able to with what we're getting through the PTRWA connection will help as well. So, but yeah, we're going to get water out there, yes. The model says we can get the water out there. But going back to you, our problems are agreement with, we'll speed, we're with Department of Commerce is $3.3 million. Their final demand for the Pays 1 that we've agreed to supply is only $2.8. Solor City is providing $1.1 million of assets from $1.8 left for us to supply. But to make ramps for a whole in this project, they're going to be contributing something that. So we won't get the $48 million gallons a day of sale. So what is round for going a little greater trade? Yes, it's part of the plan. Part of the counties. That will actually happen to you. It is part of the budget allocation. And who made it for that? Say legislators paid for that. Surprise, I'd say. At least we. I'm surprised I didn't say that. It leads to interest. We'll see what actually happens. That's not a matter of efficiency necessarily, but that's what we're doing. It doesn't match the 421 quarter study. It goes against it. So I'll say that. Okay. Anything else on the... Let's see. I do want to update Dr. Liner and Pike was, they've done the analysis. The thirons going to be cheaper because material cost is about the same installation as cheaper. So we're going to get ductile. I'm excited about that. We're working at OOR, HTTP, either one. The ductile is what we want. What's our preference? We're worried about pike pressure conditions crossing the river. We're going to get up to pressures of 260 PSI. They're looking up in the 350 class pipe there, and we should be OK. Working to get the 30% design, there won't together, early procurral out the next few months. They can start ordering pipe. Pipes man is grease or pipe is more available, so we're not as worried about getting piped for this project. Pipes are more available now as well. There was a direct bar. Deque's told them they have to, but they're trying to come up with, well we're doing the environmental, we're not going to do the individual environmental analysis for that. But they've agreed they want to do it to go back and convince the EQ that we can't open cut. That's preference still is open cut. We're still pursuing it. Yeah, we're pursuing the open cut. But right now it's not on the table. It can't go on pre-ears over that. No, we have to be under it. What's the time frame in relation to when we hook up with Roundham and is this going to be done before we do that or is that? I mean, approximately. The Roundham and Project, I'm not sure still we're moving on that. And it could be under construction sometime next year. So it may come in first. What's the situation this? When this is going to get complete up. The solution is to have water to that site January 1, 2026. I've always been skaters at the Ross Warehouse. No, we're still not spying that. Or we're not taking that wastewater. No. What are you just saying? We're connecting to PTRWA. That's a separate project we're working on. Water. That'd be a different kind of run. We've already connected the lane. That's great. Yeah, they come. They aren't at the hill. And that can supply for work connected to those elevation differential. We're making that connection. Okay, so we should come back. The next step is we need to approve the Guarantee Maximum Price and start negotiating phase two of the contract And I may be back next month with that we're really to get back on schedule We need to be on the August of genus. We're really pushing to get there. So we'll see Any questions We'll solve that problem yet. We're going to solve that problem yet. We're going to solve that problem yet. See you, Mayor. See you, Mayor. All right. Mr. Nuddley, I need to open a legislative hearing on RZ-24-09. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. This is a legislative hearing seeking to rezone property at 337 West Ward Street from industrial I-2 to a mercantile zoning. The applicant on this request is Dr. Zack Dunbar. Again, it's a general district request, so there are no specific uses proposed. If the request is approved to your this evening, every use permitted in mercantile would be permitted from the property. There's one pin associated with the request, point four, acre, and formerly the use of the property was a contractor's office. Dr. Dunbar is the applicant on this request. The application has been assigned by the owner as you see in your packet. This item, an issue came up as Dr. Dunbar was investigating opening his counter-practic office at this location, the zoning question came up and he began the process to seek this change. This item has been properly noticed and advertised with letters and signposting and advertisement in the paper. Here's an overview map. The subject parcel is in blue. In the center of the map, you see the purple identifying the industrial. As we zoom in a little bit closer, a lot of industrial in the area. On both sides of subject property is commercial. And then you have high density residential zoning across the street. It is on the edge of what's considered the downtown or center city planning areas. There are overlay standards in place that address a number of things that are pertinent for lower downtown development and growth. This is on the edge. One of those is built upon area, maximum coverage is, for instance. If you look at the topographic map, we do have Water and Sue are available in serving the property and here's an aerial of the property and surrounding development patterns along with an oblique image. A few photos here. This is a view of the property from West Ward. This is looking east on West Ward Street and then looking west. We've provided in your packet written analysis that is and has been available online for a week. I won't go into all the details. This is pretty straightforward case unless you'd like me to. I do want to note that as we look at the land development plan, we believe there's overwhelming support to move this from an industrial district to a mercantile district. And for that reason articulated in the plan. And I'll read this for the record that the district customarily warrants frontage on thoroughfare or higher classification than Ward Street because mercantile is an essence of a B2 light. It does allow a lot of commercial uses. We do note that there is higher intensity general industrial district around it. You have commercial on both sides. We believe this is a good transition between residential and non-residential use properties. And for that reason, we have made a positive recommendation to the planning board. They concurred with the staff rationale. This comes to you with positive recommendations from both staff and the planning board. And I'll be happy to answer any questions Dr. Dunbar is present this evening. Just walked the last case we had. It's more curious about the existing zoning than what we're talking about right now. Yeah, I think the application does note that this is continuing a transition away from what had been a lot of industrial activities in this area toward more commercial. Questions. And is the public here? Hey, one in the room that would like to address council regarding this request. And then, uh, room that we'd like to address counsel regarding this request. Dr. Dunbar. You don't have to, but if you would like to address counsel, you're free to do so. Okay. I have a motion. Mayor Booster, on the, told me consistency statement provided by staff. I believe that we've included the consistency statement and the reason we request to look until. I have a motion by Mr. Bell. Do I have a second? Second. Second. There's heat. Discussion. I they were say aye all opposed to a relocation agreement involving trade in North. I think that's Mr. Mayor. That's C. Mr. Mayor. And that is all correct, but because this is involving trade street and I understand Councillor Verheed is still on the board with DAI. That's one more month. One more month. And because of your status, it'd be appropriate to ask for a motion. It's my status. Copy on it. Well, not going to last month. And that's a recusal for both items B and C, but only those two items. You also serve, you also serve that motion. You also serve like an ex officio position with DAI. Is that correct? I am. Okay. That's the other. All right. So some of my commotion. Mayor, I move we recuse you as a agent member of DAI, a joint property on the councilwoman. Heath as a member of DAF in this discussion, the light and starting B and C. We have a motion. Go ahead a second. We have a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. All in name, aye. Okay. With the Mayor, getting heath recused, item 13B of Colin Trevor, not all of the authorization for CD officials take the necessary action to occur a real property for construction of a new parking area and environmental services collection installation. Thank you, sir. The city has been working with downtown Ashbro ink on acquiring property that it owns that would allow us to install this environmental services facility as well as a few parking spaces. Be built between the recreation center and trade street. In your packets, you'll see the preliminary plat that I have on the screen. It identifies DAI's property and it being reconfigured through two lots. Under the proposal, the city would take control of lot two while DAI would continue to own and manage lot one. I do want to note that the consideration for the city acquiring this would be the investment of approximately $150,000 that the city would put into the improvements that we've described. There'd be no money changing hands between D.A.I. in the city. And at the end of the project, we would expect there to be a total of four new solid way slash recycling collection containers. We've previously shared with you a concept plan. You may remember that these containers partially sit on a ground, making them easier to access for the public and less visually intrusive. And we expect the parking lot to provide along with what DAI will retain about the same number of parking spaces that are there now. So we are asking for a motion that would allow city officials to take the steps to acquire the property needed for the project with your authorization this evening and following DAI's execution of the necessary instruments. We would anticipate construction beginning as early as August. From talking with public works, it's probably a four to five week project if everything goes according to plan. Following completion, the city would remove the can collection structure that everybody's well aware of on trade street and work with property owners and tenants within the Sunset Avenue and trade street block to transition from individual garbage and recycling can so use of this new collection area for recyclables and garbage disposal. So our recommendation is to authorize that action to be taken by city officials to acquire the property. Would that be available for other residents? Those are some operational details still to work out we do believe that there will be some sort of manner that these are secure that this collection area secured such that it is not open to anyone across the city because we'll end up getting garbage from across the city there. So, but it you know those the specific of who you know who will have access to it those are some operational details to be worked out. Well I know we've all become so fond hold in a place in our heart trash master 1000 of this livingly referred to this does sound like a great way to buy. We have to deal, sir. I'll entertain a motion for the proposal. Mr. Mayor, I move. Mr. Mayor, I move that we authorize city officials taking necessary action to require the real problem. You have a motion? Go out a second. Second, Mr. Burke. I'll have a favor. Please say aye. Aye. Opposed, likewise. Hearing her, please say aye. Aye. I'll oppose likewise hearing none. Motion is passed. Mr. Nara will move on to out of 13C authorization for CD officials to enter into a utility relocation agreement. But do you can't urge you for the trade, more street infrastructure price? Thank you, sir. As we've previously reported, staff has been working for over a year now to develop the plans that would replace an improved infrastructure in Trade Street and on the portion north street between Sunset and Trade. Wooten, the city's consulting engineer has developed plans. They've been at 66% complete as we have been working to partner with Duke Energy in a way that would help to facilitate this project and mostly to make sure underground. We've included that in your packets. That was helpful information for us to give from Duke. I will say the estimate of just over $180,000 to handle the bearing of the power has made the project staff at least more comfortable that most of the project can be funded by the state infox structure grant that the city has in hand from the state and with Carolina Initially Wooten had projected the cost Specifically to handle the power at three hundred thousand dollars And they read that was good and so that was good news to get you get this estimate from Duke We we started feeling better about the cost at that point. With the proposal now in hand from Duke, the total estimated cost for the project is about 1.25 million after you factoring design costs. The total project rises to about 1.6 million. That's, I'm sorry, 1,158,000. That's about 60,000 more than the state grant of the city possesses. I want to note that this figure doesn't include any city funding of a program that would help property owners to offset costs if they may incur, and likely one occurs, city funding of a program that would help property owners to offset costs that they may incur and likely will incur as a result of us undertaking the project. We have talked to you all about our hope that such a program could be funded to help offset those costs. We believe funding that at about $100,000 should get us at a number to be ready to assist those property owners through some sort of grant program. So this means that the city's total contribution to the project likely would be $160,000 on top of what we have in hand for the grant to complete what we've been discussing all along and that would replace all of the overhead and underground lines and infrastructure, repave the street segments and replace all of the sidewalks within the project boundary. We present this to you and ask for your consideration to authorize us moving forward and signing off on the proposal on this estimate from Duke Energy. Doing so, what result in Wooten, our engineer being directed to finish its design from where we are at at 66% completion and that would include the final steps of designing the bearing of all overhead lines. If authorization is not provided, which obviously that is your discretion as well, we would ask Wooten to begin redesigning the project in a manner that does not address the overhead utility lines, but still fixes all underground infrastructure that's in need of replacement and improves the sidewalks within the project area as best we can. Recognizing that there will still be power pulls in some segments of sidewalk there if we're not able to handle the power as well. I do recommend that authorization be made in the form of a motion one way or another depending on your level of support for this project. I've been an advocate all along for the underground power in terms of just the aesthetics, the rendering. Those pictures are always a beating no matter what they're up. What we had hoped to accomplish, but I think we were all shocked at some of the initial CYA numbers from the engineers and I see where they come from. But this is really good news that it's not an extra million dollars. We even got thrown at it one time to accomplish that. We were looking at some other goals, but we do have areas where the power poles, about why the sidewalk, you know, I think to accomplish our goals. I think it's getting down something reasonable for what we're entertaining. But in that way, I've been doing it. I said I was for all, is it? Is there any discussion you want to look to have with this for a call for a vote? Any thoughts on the matter, would it like to be shared? This grant. Is it earmarked for this? It is for a downtown infrastructure. It was assigned for downtown infrastructure and our proposal for its use was for this project. Okay. It's just the one that could expire at some point. It does have an expiration date. And but this is this program has been pretty flexible as we've tried to work through these issues, but it will expire at some point, yes, sir. I could, I mean, could someone in the construction people tell me what the city would need, need ROW or what is that? Right away. Right away, okay. It does look like we're going to have to do quite a bit of work after they're in there, right? I mean, what I can read. I think one of the reasons the numbers is better than wooden projected is because we have to be in there replacing our lines. We can do some of the demolition and prep work and bring that cost down as a part of what we have to do anyway. So I think that's part of the Duke's proposal. Can we pay, can we get money from that grant to pay the city for that? But no sir. Putting the transformers over on that other site has saved us a bunch. Mm-hmm. Great. It was at one time required a halt. And that was very expensive. That's it. Like I said, it's depending on where you want to view where we started from. I mean, that took about a million dollars off this thing. It's a it's sounded pretty pretty feasible for what's going to be accomplished. I find any further questions from travel discussing? It's Mayor Pertham. I move we have approved the authorization for city officials to enter into a utility relocation agreement with the GFGS proposed in the... We have a motion from Mr. Baillow to enter into the underground utility agreement with Duke Energy and the amount of 180,37 376 dollars 94 cents is our second Second Mr. Burke's all the fiber place they are I'll reply the Sun Hearing them motion passes. Thank you. I know back to you Mr. Mayor Thank you. This is where I'll see you now. We are indeed Well, what item D D? Yep Thank you. We're on C now. We are indeed. Item DD. 13D authorization is gave to the public hearing on August 8th, 24 city council meeting for the purpose of saving input on potential revisions to the city's community develop block grant. Sir, this is going to be the item before that session action session law 2023. That's what I was asking right here. Well, that's why I said C. No, this one right here. Wait, Sean. This one right here. We're trying to wait on. It should be on your screen there. This is as a result of the annexation of zoo property and other property. We just wanted to give a quick update on these you want to read. No, I read. No, I read. I'll go ahead and begin real quickly, Mayor. As I said, the result of the Session Law reference, there was an annexation of 28 parcels, over 2,200 acres into the city. That was an act of a general assembly. It became effective July 1. As a result of that legislative action, staff has begun to take the necessary steps to apply city zoning to all of the affected areas. I've put on the screen the areas, an area that captures what is affected. Any area of purple that you see on this map that does not have a red boundary around is land that became Asperer corporate limits as a result of that legislation. Under state law, the city must supply zoning to all of the property within our corporate limits. And we just wanted to make everyone aware that we are beginning the process to do that. I will say that properties appear to be owned by at least three entities in state of North Carolina, the zoo society and the zoo logical authority as it's identified in the tax records. As a part of this process soon letters to affected and adjoining property owners will be mailed. I expect that some of you all will get calls pertaining to those notices. We're gonna do our best to let folks know what is happening here. The county did have county zoning applicable. It's just the city zoning will now take its place. We do expect this matter coming relatively quickly before the city planning board and city council in the coming months, but there will be ample notice letting people know that that is taking place. So that's just a quick update right there mayor on that item. We expect the classification will be Z. Potentially. potentially. We'll be in line with what we did at the airport. Next item, mayor 13E. That was the CDBG advertisement. If you'd like me to proceed with that. You all will probably remember I'm sorry. I'm pretty copy is wrong. Did you get this bad explains it. I understand. I'm reading from this and that's what I read. And he's, I've read it. His lettering is different than ours. From, from everyone's here? Yeah. All right. He don't even have a F. He don't even have a F. Well the record I do not hand out to you, Jeff. All right. And we talk about 13, he's served. We can, we can. We can. And I'm almost done. Indeed, which is in fact our eight. Yes. The immediately development to wherever Director Trevor Nuddle will present the initial testimony pertaining to the following meaning item. Thank you. Whatever. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you mayor. You probably will recall what we thought was pretty good news. Ms. Reeve shared at the budget adoption meeting End of last fiscal year where she informed everyone that there is a potential that the city could ask to reassign or remaining Community Development Block Grant coronavirus dollars, to reassign our remaining community development block grant, coronavirus dollars, which is a different grant than I just discussed as it relates to the Wainman Homes and Casp and this is a grant that was intended to help folks recover from the pandemic. The good news is the state has encouraged us to propose a project that would still fit within the parameters of that program. And we do have some money that we did not spend in working with the United Way. And we plan to ask for those dollars to be reassigned. And potentially we have the ability to request additional funding through what may be left through the Commerce Department as an existing recipient. And so that accelerates what we have to do with them because we're an current recipient in order to do so we will need to consider doing, having a public hearing where that particular project, the Gerald Garden, and potentially other projects that you all or the public may want to talk about, can be discussed in the public forum and input received. All I'm asking for this evening is your permission to schedule that public hearing for the August 8th City Council meeting Just recommend that such permission be granted in the form of a motion authorizing that necessary Advertisement and we will talk more than in August about that funding How much money we're talking about details said we the city has around 250,000 remaining, and we have been encouraged to request what we need to complete the project, which we plan to do so after hearing what other community needs may be out there and potentially eligible. So we have $250,000 that I think we can move relatively quickly, and then we'll have to see if we can get additional funding. Do I have a motion to direct staff to schedule a public hearing? Some of them have a quote with him. Let's come up here. Sure. I'll see. Oh, do I have a second? Second. Second Mr. Sawyer's discussion. All the players say aye. Aye. All opposed. Thank you. You have your marching orders for that public here. Thank you. Have your remarks and orders for that public here. Thank you, Mayor. My last item this evening is a report on a petition for the permanent closure. Have hammer Avenue between West Kivitt Street and Leanneer Avenue. This comes to you along with a request for council action on a resolution that would set the date of public hearing on the requested closure. I do have on the screen the area that we've received the petition for closure. Again, it's hammer avenue between linear and west kivit. We have reviewed the petition for sufficiency. You should have a survey in your packet as well that gives you even more information on this. All we're asking for again is the setting adoption of the resolution of intent to set the date of the public hearing due to the advertising requirements for a road closure as set out in state law. It cannot come back to you until September 5th and so that's what we're asking the date be set for this question. Who made a request? The property owner of the yes, the Memorial Square Senior Housing Project that's that whole block redevelopment. That will help get that building build right if we do this. My understanding is they believe it will help help them to make that project more feasible with that closure. Do they intend to keep it as access, private access to their development? I don't believe their plans will really include any provisions for maintaining any type of access. We haven't seen the final plans yet, but we'll have an opportunity to see that before this comes to you. The city does have infrastructure in that segment at Hammond Avenue, so we will be reserving the rights to access or infrastructure. Yeah, allows them to further further create. It allows them to move towards Hammer and not have to deal with all that stream implications that's right. Right now there's a setback off of Hammer Avenue that they are pushing them further than they think is. It might not have to even have retaining all along the creek up if they get far enough way from it. They might have a pub back to have something or even a fresh loaf. I will say, as a matter of place, what are you looking for? We use that road a lot, simply because our heavy equipment, that's like no one wants to drive up to the stop light and roll back. So we always make that loop around, but I'm not, I mean, sure. Yeah, that's just an observation or a comment. And so during the public hearing process, we might hear, you all may hear that input as well. So I'll try to keep my brother out. I'll try to keep my brother out. Good, Brian. Yeah, if you as well. So I'm trying to keep my brother out. You look great. If you'll adopt the resolution by reference setting the date of the public hearing, yes, sir. Need a motion to approve by reference. Mayor, I'll make that we approved by reference. I have a motion, but miss Heath, do I have a second? A second. Second, Mr. Sawyer's discussion. All in favor say aye. All opposed. Mr. Gays. Oh. Mr. Leonard. Item 14 A. Approval for a following change order for Terry's plumbing utilities related to very ballpark. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You have in front of you, uh, uh, change order number two, the city of Ashboro, Terry's plumbing utilities. This work includes storm sewer lines, catch basins, finished concrete, and tons of stone and asphalt. The change order is an amount of $26,512.16. We received this change order on 7, 8. So a couple of days good. For the additions, they may necessary by side conditions and project enhancements. And those were all completed from the past four or five weeks. The purpose of this change order is for the, as I said, the additional storm base and finish concrete at the stone rate. And tonight is the first regularly scheduled meeting since these improvements. Staff recommends adoption of this change over the environment. So as we started this six, for the meeting. We did promise to make a directive action that these would be timely. This is timely. This was bid through the design, bid build process. And they're out there paving. The rear parking lot now and anticipate Terry's crews will be through in a week plus or minus and then the same items that Mr Moffitt reproach him often and mr. Trogden asked for we will report to the council and have the same documents to close that and then we were in the next meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. We were in the meeting. fact is sort of, I mean, this is a bill. Yeah, yeah. Was that number, it was bid to 226? Is that the number he gave you? That's for the change order, 226. So did you know that before you got this bill? As far as the change order, yes. As far as the 226. Yeah, but as far as the 226, did you know the dischange order that was obviously approved? The unit all based off of the quantity. So in the change order itself, you'll see the actual that's been installed. I see the unit price and everything. Now, he's basically given it off of the unit price or based on it off of the unit price. I will say that all of the quantities for incorrect on the plans as far as the takeoff some and the bid itself, we did the plan, we did the plan, the CPL. OK. The quantities that were shown on the plans correctly, quantities that were not included for the entire portion. They admitted some portions of the plant. Or are they in the takeoffs themselves? Sleepy on them. That's the architect that designed the project. So they're the ones that fall here. The other thing, it's the quantity that fall here. The other thing. It's ours and the quantity. Then Mr. Quanty. Yes. The architect. These unit prices, I mean, when would they move with these establishes, these unit prices? During the initial bid. OK. And that initial bid, what year was it this year? I don't have that in front of me, but at least two years ago. Year and a half, two years ago. So they stuck to it on this one? And the other one they hit the right. Okay, this went out to the inconsistencies. What's more we got? I'm not aware of any others this this pretty much takes care of anything this then This walk orders for the work being done right now Paved the back forget everything ready for the pay yes the storms or addition of Visual storm sewer that was on the plans but not in the quantity sheets or in the takeoff official Concrete work So was was the contractor on the takeoff maybe easily took it off the ground in the discrepancy So the takeoffs were based from the architect bit dottings quantities on the bit So we had to have it okay So this is this is the finished number Well, I'm'm kind of saying it. I mean, you said he's still paving. So that's the best. Yes, paving is was already part of it. Okay. On the back. Back to that. That's it. Okay. We're going to get one more work order then. We're going to get a pile of bill. We're going to get a pile of bill. That's what's being done now. This is added to the pile of bill. Let's go to the amounts. Any other questions? I have a motion of Mr. Bell to approve the change number two on the Crayon Ballpark. Do I have a second? Second. Second, Mr. Berks. Discussion? I don't like it. I mean, I don't like this after the fact. I mean, you change your, I mean, what we said, nothing we're going to prove it. We're up against the wall here. I mean, the council's putting her in a rock in a hard space because we got to, I mean, you change your, I mean, what if we said nothing, we're gonna prove it. We're up against the wall here. I mean, the council's putting her in a rock in a hard space because we got to, I mean, and when I'm doing our job, if we don't review this stuff for primary, I mean, before then. As long as this is the last one. How do you feel about John? Say, imagine, How do you feel about John? Say, I imagine, how do you feel about this? The last one, do you think it? That's what Terry says. Yeah, but what do we say? Yes. Okay. There's quite a bit of like landscape and to be done. The island, stuff like that. We're gonna do all that wrong. That will be performed by the city, yes sir, kind of snob in his contract. That's what I was thinking, okay. As far as the back end, back there, the walls finished, all the drained goers or in, the catcher, they're in. Back there, it's really good. Just ready for final payment. He began thundering today and they're anticipating finishing the pay being tomorrow and he'll just be dressing everything up over the next week. He'll strike it to the end of the rain. Stripe them will be a couple of weeks out. That's included. All right. Did I get a motion on that? You did and you got to say. Yeah, you got a motion in a second. Yeah, there's a discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. You got an amendment to the McCurray Vash fall park and further the fund. Almost deja vu. In the aspect that I have two budget amendments, one has to do with the State Capital Infrastructure Grant Fund and the other is with McCurray Ball Park. These ordinances need to be adopted separately and in order just like before. The first is a change order to amend the SQF Fund State Capital Infrastructure Grant Fund, authorizes the transfer of $226,513 to the Macquarie Baseball Park Improvements Fund. I gotta start naming these things a little shorter. I recommend adoption by Mr. Birx. I'll say a second. Second. Second, Mr. Bell. The discussion. All in favor, say hi. Hi. All opposed. OK, your second one. The next ordinance is an ordinance to amend the McCrary fund. And that is to receive the funds from the SCIF grant fund. I recommend adoption by reference. Questions? And that is to receive the funds from the SCIF grant fund. I recommend adoption by reference. Questions? Do I have a motion? I remove the adoptive reference. I have a motion by Mr. Birx. The approval by reference. Do I have a second? Second. Players is second. Charlie. Charlie. second. Charlie? Charlie. Charlie? Yeah. Mr. Swayers. Discussion on the February say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. All right. Mr. Lader, do you have one last item 15 because he's a resident. I thought it goes to his superior. Just for the record, it's family-cultivated. It's a homeowner's association, so he's a member. That's technically what's causing the issue there. The request came from them. So it's a member's association. I have a motion to grant me views. I have a second. Second. Second. Second. Let's hate. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. It's pretty wheel. So here's this recuse from this one item. Go ahead, Michael. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You have your packets and ordinance prepared by the City Attorney to reduce the stigma in old town village, 25 miles per hour, as requested by the Home Emergency Association. And staff recommends adoption of this request by reference. I have a second. May I move to you? Or do I have a motion? May I move to adopt the ordinance do I have a motion? Yes. May I move to adopt the ordinance, otherwise I'll speed limit. I'll change my reference. I have a motion of Mr. Bell. Do I have a second? Second. Mr. Berks. Okay. Discussion. I will ask Chief and the captain, is this a, is this going to be an enforcement problem for us? No, I don't think it will be enforcement for us. Would you shoot anybody's face? I don't know, but take it that far. No, I don't know. Okay. Is Phil poo in that Porsche car. Oh, probably Phil Poo's grandson in that. I'm sorry. All right, so, uh, discussion questions. I have a motion in a second. Uh, all the favor say aye. Aye. We've got other discussion questions. I have a motion in a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Question, Gary, do you know that he's open to stand one for Lexington, Conor. Be careful what you wish for. Follow out of your chares. No, I'm trying to drop something in the trash can lightly. Carcalfill, please. All right. When did that be a factor? It's like that, Dr. Shen. When did that be a factor? Let's start down here with his hat. Did you want to go over the calendar for a smear or do you want me to do that? I sure don't, but I will. Special meeting in the morning noon. You guys been tough on me tonight. I didn't have a elf and I knew I wouldn't lose a moment. And he's correct. I will bounce for you. He had a number and eight in the same line. All right. Special meeting, Marit Noon at the Rec Center to eat with the, try and regional council about our search for deputy managers. Community job by blood drive at the Rec Center on Tuesdays 16th from 10 to 3 30. Concert tomorrow night. Concert tomorrow night at 630 in Bessentino Park. It's a Allen Jackson tribute. And in Sunday, a special occasion band at 612. Sunset theater events, Friday the 21st, Friday night bluegrass. You know there's something wrong here. Sunday July 21st and Friday July 21st. I'm not looking at them all. They said something wrong here. The 21st is a Sunday. All right, so I would say Friday. Friday will be the, it won't be the 20th. 19th. 19th. All right, July 26th, August 4th, RSVP Community Theater, into the woods at the Sunset Theater. Is that yet? Miss Hafe? I've got one other calendar thing just to remind her about the new chamber president reception on Wednesday. That's from 4 to 6 p.m. That's floating just throughout by any time to meet him. Mr. Adam Death, who is new to from Minnesota. On me is his first day. My days was first day. Yes. That's the seven pain. Yes. Wednesday the 17th from 4 to 6 p.m. at the chamber upstairs in the meeting room. And it's just a just a drop in. Sam and I were able to finally make it to one of the movie afternoons at the sunset theater this afternoon and our friends at Randolph Senior adults did a really good job of recognizing the city of Ashford for providing that venue, air-conditioned place for folks to hang out on a 30th afternoon. So I wanted to mention that And just speaking of just the heat, I just am so appreciative of all of our city employees, police officers, our services professionals outworking in the seat. So thank you, thank you to them very much. I also have a question for our city manager. John, I know we're working on a capital infrastructure plan and doing a workshop on that. Where does that stand? Michael, I was talking about workshop on that. Where does that stand? My colleagues, team of working on it, will either be in the late hall this spring, so temper. I think we're shooting for the council to adopt it if they're off to the board. Okay, great. Thank you. There's your sweaters. You can't go home and speak. No, no, no, no. No, you're the signs, you? It's not affecting to the signs. I got it. I'm good until the sign is good. I'm giving him a car just in there. Mr. Bale. Just one thing, I sent you mayor and John and Jeff an inquiry about the possible changing of the speed limit of sunset between Fable Street and at least church. It's just a general 35 zone and we got a lot of false folks over there and Ed Roller attracts so that we might explore the possibility of reducing that as we have on purpose pretty to somewhere something less than 35 or 20 years. That's probably probably thing. Yeah, I think it was a near mess and so it is prompted and inquiries. So I sent that to the mayor of City Manager and Jeff and something we might consider. Yeah. And so the engineering team is also looking in that some right crosswalks, like we put it to sports flex in there. To grab orbs. Yeah. There. There. We've been out there and kind of watched traffic. And there are a lot of people that dropped through there just to see the show, was what we call it, just to see what's going on downtown. And that's fine. That's that's fine. Paying attention. Not paying attention. And we specifically tracked a builder a doley pulling a three wheel three-axle trailer carrying like 18 feet long 10 that you put on a roof of a barn And what do they need to be there and he came the entire lake the sunset Got into the left turn got on fail got stuck in the double and Then went way up in North Dashford and he couldn't go on to interesting. So we do think that traffic control of some kind may help the people too that are just coming, just doing that, just to see what's going on. And I bet if we asked a guy how he got to where he was going he couldn't tell us That's not the vehicle that you need to be No, I think We're approaching him and mr. Trogden for their comments tonight and helping us with this it makes us sharper It is which is makes us sharper. It makes us better. And all you can't sharpen an axe without putting it to the grindstone. So we appreciate that. I can sharpen a chain. Thank you, Bill. All right. 13th of July, welcome. I was birthday. I'm birthday, two years old, birthday. There's only Saturday. Birthday, your walker, and birthday to you. I'm probably as happy as anybody. I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm happy. Oh, I don't have anything going. And happy birthday to 80's, why are you? Yeah, same day. Same day. She did know twins, she didn't know that. That's nice. It's an odd, you gotta look at that. And Jeff Schwartz, his birthday was the 13th. I'll be dying soon. Didn't know that. But no, as I was listening to all the discussion that we had, I was thinking about other councils and how blessed we are, council, that we have two very experienced people in construction because the things that we were discussing, because we were just sort of sitting back listening, because we don't know these things about these. I'm just thinking about these things. I'm not sure. Well, yeah, we probably all should know what, but we can't all know everything and we're very lucky to have the expertise at least to be in here on council to help the guy that's through that situation. So Kudos and thank you to both of you for what you've done to help get through that tonight and going forward. Well, anything good? Thank you.