you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you Thank you Mayor Mottland. We'll be starting the event with Jim Watt, the board of Monday. He also made a Monday, the L FI. And we've got no old visit to the Spass. We do have several albums of new business. In the first theme, he resolution the resolution to ratify, be it an award or just a sidewall for the rent from the structural project, the pedestrian access, the station, the slipway, downtown policy, and other executive directorate, the inspection to the engineering, mark on. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Thank you very much for allowing me to present this to you. If y'all recall, we had in our budget last year to try to construct a downtown bathroom. And we discovered pretty quickly that after all the design phase that the bids came in at one and a half times what the budget allowed. So one of the things that needs to be done after having had to do some we did some investigative work under the existing very old ramp that runs down beside that hardware, we do have to replace that. So downtown is a big destination site and ADA access is a big component of that. Right now there is really no way to exit the downtown parking lot other than around through the drive entrance off of Remington Avenue. So what we're proposing is to construct and I will take you to the photograph is to construct something that came out of the design for the restroom which is a set of stairs, a landing a ramp that goes toward the nap building and then turns back toward Broad Street. In this design you can see it's done in brick, it will not be in brick. But there is also a buttressed constructed semi, it looks like a ramp that will be on the backside of what would have been the restroom against that hardware because the foundation and footing of that adjoining building is actually above the walking surface that is currently there. We're also going to resolve some drainage issues there while we're there as well. The project was solicited for 30 days. We did have nine bid holders or nine interested parties. Many of those were some of the original contractors that took up plans for the rest of the renovation or addition. We only received one bid back. It was a very reasonable bid. It was from DR-DUN construction. DR-DUN was previously a part of tip-top construction, which I think you all seen before. That bid was 66,145. The work is to be completed within 45 days. This is a sight map. This is kind of showing the location from the perspective of Rimming Dunna Avenue, looking back toward municipal parking lot. The stair and ramp go up in that corner against that retaining wall that you can see in the distance. This is the area that is currently a ramp and this photograph is old but if y'all recall we actually unearthed a part of this ramp because we had to determine what was under it and what that footing height of the adjoining building was so it is essentially destroyed and has to be reconstructed this time again this is that rendering and what we're asking for you all to do is to ratify a contract that has already been signed, that contract was signed by the City Manager so that we could move this project forward to allow them to order materials and get them in earlier. And we're asking to ratify his signature on the project so the project can move forward. I'm glad to answer any questions. This was part of the NISMO parking lot rehab project, because of funding we kind of pushed it off and made it a project of the bathroom. But we still have money to rehab, but this parking lot back here, and now there's a really good pedestrian access to the broad street, to the grade A. So where is it? So they have done some kind of subway. Subway restaurants right behind that. Right behind that. That's what he was showing. Right, but Subway is here facing Broad and then Nat Hardware faces Rimington. It's coming from the parking lot. Yeah, I can remember. Yeah, right. And there's the restroom. What'd you say, building laws. There was going to be a restroom. We're going to a restroom there before the kids came in. Mm-hmm. There's going to be a restroom, but due to the coughs, you're back to that wringer in your mouth. Yeah. Right here. That's actually the restroom there that you see that that's From the front to the right. To the right there. We're not putting that up there. No. The only thing we're doing, the steps and the access was to see. Maybe a correct. And there you go. To do. 88. Downtown from the parking lot. Access to the parking lot. Correct. And so is this $66,000 already budgeted from 2018 budget? He's flashed. We have monies in what's allocated as sidewalks in this generic and the 2018 spot for size. And it's perfect. From that perspective, what is? Okay, have we all have this come already been worked for before? Yes, they have. Yes. So previously, he worked with tip top construction and he worked with us on several different projects as tip top. He's also worked for us on one, I believe, as DR done. So they were a company that spanned both Florida and Georgia. They have now split. He has started his own business here. But he's been around for a while. But the other eight plan holders, they have to pay to get received money. They did. I think it was $100. Do you have eight bidders that paid $100 for seven plans that chose not to bid on it for whatever they see? Okay, so they just, I think you can easily assume that this was a small enough project that even though they had an interest because they had invested their time to bid on the bathroom and had done all the work and invested all the effort. But it is a small project and if they had other projects in the hopper, you know, often these get laid by the side and they realize, oh, the bid's tomorrow, I can't make it. So we didn't have any calls, we didn't have anybody explain why they didn't do it, but this is well within what we thought the opinion of cost would be and it's a sound contractor I see no reason not to accept his price. It's you know as Mark said it's the safety issue for sure and it's a static issue as well so it all looks really bad right there. It's part of the apartment down down. So why can't we just pay that and that, you do not have to do a disability ramp because it's just paved and nicely green space, a little greenery back there. And that can not go through until downtown Broad Street. The problem is, you've got elevation chains. So the parking lot is here, and I'm just estimating, and the next level is, you know, 3.5 foot long, so you've got to have a ramp for somebody to have wheelchair access. Is that actually a question? You know, you've got two different grade elevations, you can't even... It's somebody else owns that land. Right. Where that sidewalk starts. Right. Where it starts up at the's not somebody else holds up and for a whole little bit of a way, and we got it, is that I won't let a sidewalk do this thing. And we have to provide accessibility for all of our citizens, and that's a key point there that there's no way to get in and out of that sidewalk, or out of that parking lot from that direction without going into the path of oncoming traffic through those entrances. So it's just providing the access to the sidewalk. You're right. We have to provide accessibility to all of our citizens. And was this done before us, before this year? This just this year we came up with this. We had a resilience, well, so yes and no, it was already in the bathroom project, a moment of that, but because of the cost came in so high we scrapped that bathroom project. Now we can always come back and add the bathroom in a later date and tie it in to what's existing so we don't have to go back and redo this. But we also, when we were talking about doing the rehab on the parking lot and the rear, you know, we're making that more accessible for people to park. But yeah, there's no pedestrian accessibility easy to downtown. So it was kind of both, it was kind of part of both projects, the municipal parking lot, and the downtown bathroom. I understand, but I still personally have a problem with doing new things. And we haven't done one of the things that we all asked for for the last several years. I know you have a few hundred thousand dollars in that budget. But here we have a new thing, and we haven't even attempted to do something over a South South for that part. Now we're going to spend $67,000, $1,000, which is that seemed like much with our budget. But it is a amount that, you know, and I know you're not, you all know downtown is, you know, bringing in some money, some wear taxes and stuff. But we've been able to function down there with what we have and we still have a lot of people on our south side that does not have it. This is not neat. That's why I ask you was it new. No, so we're rebuilding that and go back to his other footers. There's a ramp that's already there. This we own that and it's dangerous and in all the takes it's one person to go off with that and a wheelchair and then you know litigation happens. It's not long it's been there. So we had to disassemble that ramp in order to do the exploratory work to give the designers that were designing the bathroom all the information they needed. We had to destroy a portion of that. If you go by you'll see there's a steel plate over a portion of it. And it is continuing to fall apart as more water gets in under it. The neighbor next door, that hardware, his footings, albeit they're not exposed, they are at greater risk because that ramp also intumes that foundation because it is at a higher level than the parking area if you will or the area where the bathroom is going to be placed. So that's a big component of both protecting his building as well as giving access and right now we don't have access. So we've either got to repair this one, which can do but it would be at a cost probably 75% of what this is And I'm not sure that that y'all would be happy with the result This allows us in the future if we decide to add that restroom based on the original design that came to put that restroom there with no modifications to the site questions to the site. Quick question for you on that one. And I see I had a question on it. That's what I sent an email about was, so that's a rendering from the original proposal. So as a point of reference, just so I can understand it. I'm looking at the staircase there is that staircase is that standing in the back corner. You're standing at Broad Street looking back toward the Nat building. Okay. And from the top of that stair there's a landing and going the opposite direction of the stairs where the ramp begins and when you get to the Nat building you turn 90 degrees and then 90 degrees again on a flat landing and then you can actually see the edge of the ramp against what is the rest room in this photograph. So, so if somebody was on a wheel chair coming from that higher grade like I go to nap all the time to get keys so I'm very familiar with that. So if I'm coming out of NAPS rear entrance and coming around walking towards Subway we would have a ramp there that's rebuilding that old one but at the same time you won't have a ramp where the old one is. Okay you will come you will come onto the landing that you see at the top of these stairs Okay, and you will turn to your left okay toward that building down a ramp to another level landing come around 180 degrees and come back Toward broad street and you can actually see the outfall of that ramp if you look closely Against the side of that building under those windows, right? Maybe go to the other picture that shows the like what it looks like now The net that other one so That ramp kind of show where you're talking about. It's the back there in the corners where you're talking about So where the wall looks dark because of the shadows in the very corner Right, the landing would be just out of this photograph and the ramp would be there Falling toward the net building with a level landing 180 degrees, you turn and go back toward broad street. So if we were to build a restroom later, would that hire, would that elevation be, I guess could somebody, let's say later we built that restroom, would they then have to, would that ramp tie back into the bathroom or would have? The ramp would be just like it is here. The restroom would go right up against it. Okay. So that's why we use this design. We had it, we chained for it. And so we modified it slightly just to remove the brick and some of the decorative elements. Got you. But otherwise, you know, it's just a practical application of transitioning from and Chris had it about right, three and a half feet from the elevation that you're leaving Down to the floor area of the existing concrete to stare behind suddenly So on this this front piece is stairs the back piece that is a ramp that really is okay I thought it looked like what I looked at it. It looked like stairs on both sides So I was confused. I was like red and stairs ahead and stairs. I got you. You're far enough away from that corner. I got you. If you're traversing, it's about eight feet. I believe going downhill at a quarter of an inch per foot. Right. 8.33%. You reach a level landing hairpin turn at 180 degrees. Then you continue that descent. Another eight or 10 feet down to where you reached the ground. Gotcha. And they made it, I'm sure you all have checked out, you made it wide enough and all the goods, because I know the one now is two narrow. It was at probably 30 something inches where a new one would probably be 60 or 58 or something like that. And you also did not have the proper reglas at curves. It's actually just a slight bit too steep in some sections of it. Right. There's a lot of it that's not as it should be. Right. And this brown, I think, to clarify what Chris was saying, the bathroom was budgeted in 2023. And it came in outside of what we could do. So that's why it wasn't done. But we pulled off the ramp and that walkway, because that was what was important now. The bathroom, while it would be desirable to have that, it's not the budget and we know we can't do that right now but we needed to make this accessible. So this element was budgeted last year. So I'm looking at Remington from the picture he showed before when that heart we're there and subway is there. That's Remington, right? Yes, ma'am. Is that where those steps are going to be right there? That very back corner where the shadows are. Yes ma'am. The poles are on the ceiling. The poles are on the ceiling. That what's raised is going to be up there. I mean you know you see that little raised part to see minute it looks like. So that's a retaining wall that you see. Retaining wall. It's a straight face. And so the parking area and the ground behind those businesses is about three and a half feet taller than the area that you're looking at across the backside of Subway. Which is why the stairs go one direction toward broad. And the ramp goes down and around to traverse that entire distance So you can you can only drop one inch per foot With a that's the maximum slope allowed with a ramp for handicapped accessibility and with that you have to have rails on both sides Which we know how long has it been there? How long is that right now with now. How long has that brown, I know you said it took the brown down. It's the how long was it there? We took, we've taken out a section of it, but I'm assuming it's been there about 25 or 30 years. Have we ever had an accident? I don't know that. I don't know that answer. I'm sorry. That vacant lot right there, a lot people think that that's part of subway, but that city property. And it was identified for the downtown restroom, but because of the budget and how high it came in, it was not developed. I think we budgeted around 400 in the OSB, a key man at like 665,000. That's what the rest room. The rest room, which included this, the ramp and the state. Originally, that was going to happen and the rehab of the municipal parking lot. So that ramp and the accessibility from the improved parking lot with the bathroom facility, although there were different projects, it would have looked cohesive like one, because that part came in more. We pulled that, did the parking lot with the bathroom facility. Although there were different projects that would have looked cohesive like one, because that part came in more. We pulled that, did the parking lot, and now just want to add the accessibility from the parking lot. So is the police building still down there? No. Is the office for the police officer still there? Yes, he's wearing it at. Right, right, but. I know right back there, but what building was it an OWPX, still there. Yes, he's wearing it at. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. 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It will be slightly narrower than what's there now, but it will look much the same with the exception of the area of concrete that slopes out in the front that will be completely gone and level with the sidewalk that's out along rimming. And one other question I had and this is just another note not to beat this horse here but when we do all that is there any way just temporarily until we can define or I guess our future plan? I notice, you know, a lot of people assume that subways parking and so it kind of, random cars kind of parked there. Would it be helpful maybe for us to maybe stripe some of that off and have an additional handicap parking or some type of, is that something, you know, hey, while we're in there tearing stuff up? And because I notice some people kind of of some stuff gets blocked there occasionally some stuff kind of some people part there some people don't sometimes it's just open but would that be something maybe we could, you know, a little bit of pain action maybe just add to the we can certainly look at doing that the cars that are normally there have tended to be people that are working in subway. Right. There was also a dumpster there which I don't think is there anymore. I think it's where it's been moved closer to subway. Right. For a lot of them. We haven't priced or looked at striping what we certainly can, yes. Everybody needs, everybody wants parking downtown so we can have some. Yeah, you see my angle, so that my angle. So that makes sense to make that accessible parking since you're right by the ramp. Yep. Good. Any other questions? Thanks, Mark. Thank you all. Next we have a resolution to ratify submission of an application for funding in the natural gas and for short safety modernization grant program. No, these are the still the same thing that they're job. Good evening Mayor and Council. So annually since this program started, we submit an application for this grant every year. Unfortunately, we do not get it because we have a very good problem. We have a very safe system. We always reach the very last level, but the program runs out of money. It's a place like Atlanta that has a higher need, gets most of the money, but we submit every year in hopes that we do get it. So the purpose of this program is to reduce the risk profile of existing pop line systems. So that's why we have a problem with always getting to the very end and getting to the grant. However, like I said, we submit every year. Our goal is to continue to make our system safer. And what we'll do is we'll get rid of some of our extra services and also upgrade some of our regular stations if we get this grant. So here's a couple of the hot spots of our extruded coated steel servicelons. We developed this heat map to really show where it's at so you have a good visual aid. So it is requested the council approve the resolution to ratify their approval to apply for the FY24 natural gas infrastructure safety and modernization grant program and take appropriate action authorize a mayor or mayor pro-tim to sign all necessary documents related to the application. Are there any questions? I go back to the park where you were showing the $10,000. And you said that the current completion timeline for replacing extrude services is 25 years. Replacing 10 extrude services per year with an annual budget of 10,500. So how much are we getting? How much are putting a grant board? I believe it's $3.2 million. We're going to be asking for $2.3 million. OK, 10 points. $2.3 million. 2.3 million. And then it's something else as part of that is there's some OJT opportunities. So we'll bring in, I believe, two to three employees. That will be funded. There shall be funded through this program. And so once the program is done, they'll They'll be certified through a legitimate operator program and they can go anywhere that has the same qualification to see a time so it does and easily go straight to working as well. What that other paragraph is trying to demonstrate his brand is we do it under our own funding. It's going to take us 25 years to get out of confidence because we don't have got X amount of, you know, find out amount of money in the gas for months. We can't do all that at one time. You know, find out amount of money in the gas for months. We can't do all that at one time. So try to get it done over the next 25. So if we get the grant, we'll be spending extra money from our budget. No, that's the best news. It'll be $0. It's a reimbursement grant. Okay. Yeah, I see right in here it says that it's provide up to two points. I say what you're you're saying 2.3 million with no local match Required just staff time to you know Alicate it where we need to allocate it at exactly and then the other aspect of the phone We'll would use the grant money for it is so we're targeting our two oldest regular stations and part of its methane mitigation as well So we're gonna convert those from a relief stack which is just a big tube that goes in the air to a moderating station We've heard those from a relief stack, which is just a big tube that goes in the air to a monitoring station. So instead of us releasing them at the overpressurizing natural gas, we're keeping the system shut down the station. And also we're going to be expanding our two-nose-skate system by upgrading these two sites as well. Any questions? All right, that's it. And up again, we have a resolution that set the Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA, Community Randall Whale, for 1.2 million, and operates the mayor of Mayor Protin and Son on this area in related documents. And again, that's here, Gossal. Thank you, Chris. Again, good evening, Mayor and Council. So this one comes with even better news. This is a project we've been working on for a few years now. We submitted an application to the FY23 Congressional Dredge Spending Opportunity with the assistance of Senator Warnaulk and Senator Ossof. EPA had to approve the final scope of the project and officially award the grant. And this is the part of the process that we were in. So originally we requested $1.2 million dollars with a 20% match and this will address eye night issues within the list station 3 basin so that's the infiltration and inflow. And here is the work zone that is going from Metcalf Avenue all the way to Tuxedo. You see that shaded area so all that is clay pipe. We're going to be removing that and we've identified that as taking on a large source of water and there is a large creek that runs right by it. We're smith at, well, jerky lake from overflows, smith avenue goes in the creek and it tends to get into this pipe here and so we're going to remove that problem with this money here. And when to work. No, we haven't gotten that part of Mr. Scott. So we got to accept the grant. And then once we accept it and receive it, our timeline to take it out of bid would be September 1st. We'll let it run for 30 days. And we'll see who slits its bids. And then we'll go from there. OK, I'll think about it being housed. Okay. It could, if it goes around $1.2 million, it may be in houses, so. So the news gets even better with this. So we had the opportunity to request a waiver for the cost share, and it was granted. So we do not have a 20% match, and that is approximately $300,000 that was weighed. And so we would be getting $1.2 million so we know the strings attached under the project. Additionally, staff also conducted the environmental requirements in-house which saved additional $50,000 to the project. So collectively, the state of town will receive $1.2 million and save approximately $350,000. Never hurt staff. Yeah. Well, we had to string a lot of pieces together. May that happen, but no, we were able to get that done. So staff is requesting that the City Council accept the EPA community grant in the summer of $1.2 million and authorize the mayor and mayor for attempts on all necessary related documents related to the EPA community grant. Additionally, it is also requested that the Council approve a budget amendment for the FY204 to allow for the acceptance of the grant award and expenditures related to the waste water system improvements. Any questions? When does Todd need to sign a paperwork? So we're in Tispey, we've got paperwork sometime late July and in the days early August. We'll keep you all updated on it. Quick quick question on that one in in working through that eye and eye situation there. Are you digging up parts of the road or you know everything will be out. All this outside this is actually in a rattle way. So let me just step back. Tuxedo will be a small piece that we dig up, but that's it. Everything else, because we're looking at it possibly abandoned a piece that's in the brother of Metcalf. We have zero services in there. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to dig all that up, replace it if we don't have a service tied onto it. Nothing goes to it, so we'll probably actually shorten the length of this pipe by decent amount and focus everything in the rattleway going all the way to Tuxedo. There's a running down like you said Metcalf. Yeah, so you start Metcalf maybe easier. Okay, so the top's Metcalf and we're going to be going through the woods all the way to Tuxedo. And so that a Cedo piece down there, probably the only part where we actually were tearing out the road. Everything else, the top part that's in Metcalf, well we have not seen an actual service that's tied to it. What goes across there is the natural force main and we're not replacing the force main. That took us to about $3. half million dollars and so we reduced the scope of the project we targeted the clay pipe only. So the add to it this ties into the land of the left station full moon which is right there coast America and then it goes that also flows back to the left station three which is out there kind of behind lows next to lows Maybe late scenario which were already you'll hear more about that in the coming in the coming months Because we got issues going on over there Not ties all the way to number two, which is the air gas on 19 which makes it way to the all of that is connected So this helps address the loss of the issues that were having is connected. So this helps address the law of the issues that we're having. We'll call it downstream on the sewer system prior to getting into the Westwood treatment plant. So it's very much needed and it's a great opportunity for Grant money to us all. So, additionally this also help improve water quality. Any other questions? Thank you. Thanks. So next we have a resolution that's set for more money. He teamed mobile home town grant award of $50,000 for the renovation of 230 West Jackson Street and authorize a budget of amendment this year, 2020 for budget, maybe the grant that authorize mayor mayor Tim decided on this area related documents, Mr. City Planner, King Tom. All right, thank you very much. Afternoon mayor and council. So the city applied for the T-Mobile hometown grant recipient among 800 other communities back earlier this year. And we were one of 25 communities, so it was actually selected to receive this award. So the award that we will be asking for you to approve on Monday night is a $50,000 grant, no match required, that would be provided by T-Mobile. You should have already gotten the notification that the people from T-Mobile will be in town tomorrow, along with representatives, multiple state representatives, and people from both the Georgia and the National Main Street Association to be present for the check award, that reception will be tomorrow evening at 5.30 at the 233 West Jackson Space. Just to give you some more background what this grant would actually help to accomplish is to renovate the what is the historic kind of storefront at let me say I believe there's a picture in here the I guess the building shell that is at 233 West Jackson Street creating more of an outdoor space as a gateway into the Reds Ampitheater. So this space would include both access from West Jackson Street into the amphitheater. It would also include some landscaped areas, ticket booth areas, and just spaces for people to be able to gather, all of which were very important elements and we're in consideration for this team of all grant award. And so on Monday night we will be asking for you to accept the award of the $50,000 from team of all to help complete this space. We do anticipate that all the construction on this should be completed by the end of this year. And this has been an element that has been budgeted in the 2024 budget. And just to add on, as mentioned, on Monday night we will be asking that you consider accepting the award for $50,000 from T-Mobile to allow the mayor and of Proktaim signature and also to amend the 2024 budget to acknowledge the $50,000 surplus from this grant award. I have one question that's been when I first saw that ticket booth. I'm not talking about the grant, I'm talking about the ticket booth. So the ticket booth would be for there are occasionally there are ticketed items, ticketed events that will happen in the amphitheater. As of right now there's not an entrance, kind of a primary entrance into the amphitheater space. And so with that ticket booth would be, I would say most days, it would just be an open area, an open place for people to be able to walk through. But in the event there is a ticketed event in the amphitheater that this will become the primary entrance where people can either sell tickets. You would be able to manage access into the amphitheater during those events. So would that mean us putting up some kind of, you have to put up some kind of gate around it or we can have what? Get very fence. Yes, as of right now, when events happen in the amphitheater, there's a temporary fence that goes around and they can make shipbooths are set up along the alleyways or outfaces. So this would formalize that in entrance space, but the temporary fencing would still need to go up on the other sides during those events. And that temporary fencing is the responsibility of the renter of the amphitheater. That's not a city expense. Do we have a reenery of the, what that 233 Waste Jackson from the Wool by the former Spanish? So we do. It was something we did not have it prepared and time to get the presentation together, but before Monday night That's something we can certainly send out to you both the plans as well as a perspective rendering of what the proposed space will look like It's not understanding you keep mobile better. They have a presence here right now But they're building the retail facility out on, uh, yeah, yeah. 19, uh, uh, 19, yeah, yeah. They're my condition. All right. Yeah, but the other question. It's getting. All right. Thank you. All right, thank you. All right, next we have a motion to authorize the signature mayor of the front him to execute a hangar lease agreement. It's actually very good and special. Thank you, Jim. Mark. Thank you again, mayor. So, Dr. Bill Larden entered into a grandly for the City of Thomas Field back in 2001 and built a small brand new hanger for himself, a 42-hundred square feet. The lease at that time was only $600 per year or the equivalent of that in fuel purchase. It was for a 10-year term and it was allowed for one additional 10-year term and it really has not been revisited since that initial signing back in February of 01. So currently we have fixed rates for hangers that we own, that we maintain, that we've constructed and that rate is set by you all, and has been 32 cents for the last few years. We do not have an existing rate for land leases. We don't have many properties or many oxenants at the airport that actually own and maintain a hanger that was constructed. Flowers was one that we brought to you all. It was kind of a special consideration because of how many other amenities were with that building and so we negotiated at least but we're bringing this lease to you all after having done some research and kind of calculated based on that 32 cents per foot and what the cost of the underlying infrastructure and property is as compared to the entire construction cost of a new facility. We estimated that to be 30 or in this case 31% of that cost. So we've negotiated this lease at $0.10 per square foot which is paid on a monthly basis $420 per month starting and running through, starting now and running through 2031. If you all approve this, you will see this lease rate or maybe even a penny higher depending on what we find the market will bear when we bring this to you with this year's budget and all of the other fees that we're talking about imposing. So Dr. Larden has handed all through power of attorney to his son Cliff Lardin the ability to assign on his behalf. Here's a sighting map that shows you where this hanger is and most of you probably have not been out and actually seen this particular hanger it's not very large. What we would like for you all to do is to approve the resolution to allow the mayor of the mayor of Pro Tem to sign this land lease with Mr. Cliff Lardin under the power of attorney for Dr. Bill Lardin. I'll be glad to answer any questions you have. So when I saw the $600, that's a year. That was a year. That was a year. And now we're talking about four something a month. Correct, that's right. That's right. So at the time, and we talked about this with the flowers hanger as well, the airport was used very little. And we were glad to have any activity. And we were thinking that we would get fuel sales and other ramp fees and other things that would come in. Now that everything is full, it's obvious that we are in an era where we have to think about what the actual cost it is to us because access to that building is worth every bit of that. The ramps, the paving, all the infrastructure that goes to it. So that's what we try to price and account for in this calculation. So we'll have to do that. It's already there. Sorry, exactly. Yes, ma'am. And so do we have to do any maintenance to the building itself? No, that's pretty much what I'm saying. That's pretty much what I'm saying. And you mentioned there's a few others out there. Do we have any plans of maybe revisiting those as well? I know there's, as you said, there's back a long time ago, there wasn't anything there. Other than some of the previous picture, there's I think the World War II hangers from the 40s were what were there and there was nothing else. So private individuals went in there and built stuff just to have something in it. You know, Dr. Lard and he's been a fixture at the airport since the 70s, really. And he's done a lot out there and he was you know huge supporter of the fly-in and what not I mean he's just gotten old he's in his 90s now and so I think it's the right absolutely right direction. I know there's several others that were out there like you mentioned that. There's two others that we know of and we're working with both of those trying to get those resolved. You know there's always a little bit of trying to find paperwork. Most of this was signed. Some of them back in the late 70s, early 80s, late 80s in the hour. I said, well, I had a lease, you know, I'm sure I did. And so we're in conversations with those individuals. Those will eventually get resolved as well. Yes. And then we also do have future plans. Maybe this kind of sets a bench marker or standard for if somebody did want to come to us and per se build a new and lease it you know ground lease or whatnot now we have kind of a bench mark that we can say hey that's right yeah so we're moving forward so we can and every year we will reexamine all these fees and we will bring those to you I'm going to use this as the litmus if y'all approve this we're going to use this as a litmus and set this as our rate for land lease If you all approve this, we're going to use this as a litmus and set this as our rate for landlays. Now it will get raised or say the same with each passing budget year and these people will be fixed but when they renew in 10 years or whatever that term is, they will be subject to the new rate. So that's the idea. And we will, going forward, we will use this as they set rate when somebody says, well, how much is landlady? She can say it's 10 cents a foot or 12 cents or whatever that number may be at that particular time. Right. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, all. All right. Next we'll have emotional wars and request for the poll from the sale of methane gas and the land, the little mouth rising area, where it them to sign a letter of intent related to the sale of that gas and be particularly Superintendent Eric Austin. Good evening Mayor and Council again. I promise this is my last time up here. Okay, so a little bit back there. Oh, a little bit of background this RFP. The City of Thomasville conducted extensive research in a renewable energy pertaining to the methane gas produced by the landfill. The results concluded that the capital investment is too great for the city to take on. However, there was a high interest in the methane gas rise for the landfill from many developers throughout the years. So in March 2004, an RFP was requested for the sale of the methane gas at the landfill. So with part of this RFP, it was zero capital of cost to the CDA tonsillol. The only thing we would be entering in is the cell of the methane that comes out there. And so, what we did was we requested a proxy mechanism and you would offer for the methane gas coming out of the landfill. So we had fiber proposals. First will be in vision RNG. They did not offer a proxy mechanism. Vespine energy over the course of 20 years they offered $5.1 million. No petro was approximately $250,000 annually for 20 years. Johnson Controls was very broad up to $900,000. And the Balagast solutions actually offered two options, both being the 20 years each. The first one being a set month with fee of $65,000 or a 12% of gross revenue. So in addition to that both choices included a $250,000 earnus money and $250,000 towards land film maintenance costs an upkeep to methane wells and components. So with that earn money out, it would be a 90 day period and at the initiation of the actual contract, it's about 100 to $150,000 that I get paid, then the start of construction, the remaining amount of the earnest money would also be paid. With that option. 250 is annual maintenance every year. Yeah, it'll be every year We know that we covered maintenance is going to be required or is that just a percentage of what we enough End of footwork is bad is there anyway? No, I would say $200,000 most likely cover more than enough when your annual maintenance All those wells and whatnot However, if you're doing any capital upkeep The companies did mention time-to-time that they would be willing to help out However, this was in their initial offer in their quest for proposal So this here isn't actually the contract. This is what they offered up front So this process is actually awarding the RFP to one of these companies. Additionally, it's going to be requested that a letter of intent side in regards to the sale for the company. So when that letter of intent's initiated a 90-day due diligence period will begin. And at the end of the 90 days if it is decided that the landfill is legitimate, well what is out there as we portray this out there is legitimate then that's when they're going to initiate a contract and that time that contract will come back to you all for approval. So that's approving this means that the landfills staff will have money or where it's money going to the landfill. Yes, it goes to the sanitation department. And you know, there's a lot of things that we have to work out between them and then we have contract executed. But I believe the timeline is that into the calendar year that they need to done because of the tax credits and all that associated with it. So it's going to be pretty aggressive to get on this done. What all these, I mean, you know, not, you know, get all the, like the contract details they get worked out or how much, how far does it need to get for them? They just need to break ground about the end of December to be qualified for the tax credits. As soon as we can work out the facility piece of it, we're going to stand that up on the property. I mean, that's the biggest hurdle we got in that sort of thing. Good tax. And then this will also help too, because we were, and correct me if I'm wrong, we were previously able to sell off credits off of the flare that we're now no longer able to because of the size of some reclassification of the landfill or whatnot. So we kind of lost a little bit of income there that this would definitely replace that from the flare aspect and certainly that 250 would go to hey keeping keeping everything up to par there that we currently maintain now. Now I believe it was probably the price was only about 50 $56,000 annually that we would get so well by entering into something like this and you're definitely getting way more than what we were. Additionally, it's 0% of risk to us on the capital aspect, because we're just selling a bi-product of the land report. Additionally, we're already meeting our EPD regulations, so all this is extra. And the investment that biogas is starting to make in this roughly 24, 25 million dollars with the infrastructure of the 100 people who got there on site, the process, all this meant that gas. We're not on the, hope we're not in that. So have we done a projectory of $65,000 a year or 12% growths? Yeah. But the 20 years are we just thinking that we'll choose one of the other. So there is a projection. So in the course of 20 years, basically, I know what you can get from the credits. Additionally, from the gross revenue of the sale, it's going to be somewhere $20, $25,000, or $30 million. Or 20 years? For 20 years. And that if we take the $65,000 or $65,000 a month? Or it's definitely less. It's somewhere around $18,000 to $20 million, I believe. But the math would just be $65,000 times 12,000, the multiple out of 20, whatever that would come up to, it would be your 20-year annual. You do take a risk with a 12% but based upon the projections of the market, it's staying there. This renewable natural gas is going back into a system somewhere, so they're selling it to natural gas users or suppliers. So some of that revenue is based upon that as well. So if they do not get the same revenue, the company that it is, because I see a R instead of an AN, so that's why I'm asking you. Correct. So if they do not make the revenue that they have projected to make, and you have 12%. So they give you 12% of the lower, if they do it or do they make up to the sink effect. No. So say in the contract, we elect to go, but wait in the city to also elect to go with the 12% of gross revenue. Whatever gross revenue is, we will receive a monthly 12% of that number. However, based upon market numbers, and the market has been really strong for the last few years, I don't foresee a skill in below the $65,000. So 65 is roughly 15 million every 20 years years and depending on what numbers you look at, I think some of theirs have been a little optimistic, but it can't get over $30 million over 20 years. So you can potentially double that, but you got a risk, you know, it's tied to market. Market's can change. Market's can change. This is a tentative question about the landfill. At what point does the cell start producing the methane, freshness, new cells, we're filling up now, increasing the amount that we sell over 20 years? So is your question, how much methane we would produce or how much methane would the Convert over a natural gas that can be sold I guess the question essentially this is 20 years out is our land is not producing enough methane to maintain So so currently today is producing about 656 standard cubic feet per minute the, once we have rid the blowers, going to go somewhere around 1250 standard cubic feet per minute. And that number, you can multiply that by 60 and then 24, then just keep going over throughout the month. That's what your annual protection is. However, that's going to be significantly more than what the City of Tonsville currently uses as a natural gas for long. Daily understand I guess How long can it maintain that level of vaping? Got your hand on it. The way to start producing that thing, and then you get behind the back here. What's your cap? What's your cap? It's what you put your final cover on which is 12 inches of red clay in six inches of top soil, they'll start producing. So once that cap is put in place, the well people would love to come out and put you a hole, put it down. And at the rate we're going down, just taking on a new contract, we'll put reducing them out. We're producing now, we're only in crease of income in years. How many wells have we just had? We just added 17 in sales, 1 through 4, 9 and 5 yet, and we added several in the close portion of the landfill. That's what I was doing. Yeah, right at $2 million. But those wells are them that day now. So your timeframe, we're going to keep out in trash and keep doing the thing. So we don't foresee it stopping. Yeah, a question to the left. I couldn't give this job. Mind him, mind him, mind him. So as quickly as we can request a council approved motion award, the quest for pove of Bob Gasolicious puts cell and methane gas at the landfill and to authorize the mayor and mayor for a ten to sign the letter of intent relating to cell. Now this is the other I's, the other I's, the other I'm buying it. Correct. This is committing us to a 90 day due to the other which is period in that point. If everything checks out, both parties want to enter into a contract and that will also come back to you with the actual terms, so forth. What? I mean, let's just say worst case scenario, this company goes bust. The markets drastically changes, they go bust. Are we left with this infrastructure now as ours? Do they go in and rip it out? Do we then, how do we come up with other options of, does that infrastructure they put in belong to? I think that's one of the negotiations, we'll have to work through them on the contract, because it's on somebody's land, you know, hopefully ours, land through a property, and then there's an assumption there and they will have to work through some of that with them and their carry them through to be fun. And that's what some of those things are going to take time to work through. But the assumption that would be to me is that this bill not property, they could back up and default and then it goes to us. I mean, who else is going to maintain it? Yeah. I guess I just always, the things like this, the federal government can regulate things in ways that can impact this, that we have no control over, that can affect this company, they can shift completely away from gas and start doing solar or whatever they be. I just only be left stuffed with something that we can't use or we don't own. They protect ourselves and always for sure. And at the other proposals, they had with the partial investment that we have for them. No, so with this here in order to qualify in the RFP, you had to 1% commit to take on all the infrastructure. That was a sticking point because the infrastructure cost was about $25. That one that we showed you earlier in the year, he would, like, we were like, $8,000, $10,000. So we had that one that, uh, there was another situation where they wanted to do a 50-50 split. But physically speaking, we didn't have to do this to meet EPD regulations. We're meeting them now. This was extra. There was no reason why the City of Thompson will take on an infrastructure cost. And so that's what the ask was. Any other questions? Thank you. Next we have a motion to approve the amendment to the 2017 Intergovernmental Operating Agreement with the South School of the Governoral Services Authority. We will authorize the mayor and mayor of Prodentiment as a Secretary. And I'll present that Monday. We're doing this a little bit unconventional during work so we got Hannah Moore here, who is the executive director, CEO, but the early pilot was the subject of the federal assembly. And she could have kind of go through a small, quick presentation on kind of how, where we've been, and where we are now, kind of explain the reason for this ask of the restructure in our building for the authority between the individual cities. Okay first of all I would like to start with a little bit of the history surrounding the 2017 consolidation to the SGGSA. In May of 2017, the cities of Cairo, Camilla, and Maltry and Thomasville sold their portions of CNS Next's network and the assets associated with it to the SGGSA. This means that the SGGSA owns and operates CNS Next. It also means that the city of Thomasville is a stakeholder in SGGSA at 53%. Each city who makes up the four stakeholders in the authority are referred to as member cities. The success of CNS directly benefits the city of Thomasville as a member city. Since 2017, the SGSA has distributed over $19 million back to the member cities as quarterly distributions, with Thomas O'Receiving just over 11 million since 2017. As part of the 2017 consolidation, the SGSA and the member cities of Cairo, Camillo, and Maltryne, Thomasville entered into an intergovernmental operating agreement. Under Section 5 of this agreement, the member cities were mandated to oversee and operate the handling of all CNS-Next billing and collections. Since 2017, each member city has remitted 100% of the previous month's billed sales to the SGGSA, with the collections of these sales being the responsibility of each member city. This meant that any uncollectable accounts were the responsibility of the member city to write off on their financials. Prior to the 2024 Billing consolidation, legally is able to take place, this 2017 IOA will need to be amended. Additionally, in 2017, the City of Thomasville and the S.D.G.S.A. entered into a separate agreement called the Management Agreement. For roughly $6 million a year, the S.D.G.S.A. contracts with the City of Thomasville to provide and maintain the CNS Next Operational Staff. There are approximately 73 full-time employees listed within this agreement to make up the field and back office workforce driving CNS. Through the 2017 IOA, the member cities have operated and maintained the billing collections, customer support, and technical support functions for CNS. In 2023, through staff included in that management agreement we just talked about, the Billion Customer Service Functions were consolidated to the City of Thomasville and removed from the other cities of Cairo, Camille and Maltry. The customer payments and collections has still remained the responsibility of each member city separately. So understanding all of that historical documentation and guidelines brings us to what we are looking at our CNS plans for 2024. In 2024, the SGGSA and CNS NEXT will be consolidating all member cities' billing systems to one single billing platform called Elation. We will be opening the CNS Next Customer Engagement Facility, which will serve all four communities. And all of the CNS Next Backoff as functions currently embedded within the City of Thomasville will be separated to a CNS dedicated workforce. Okay, in August of this year, we are set to consolidate all current billing systems to the Elation Billing Platform under the SGGSA umbrella. So what does that mean for Thomasville? The City of Thomasville CNS next customers will no longer receive consolidated billing statements that include utility and CNS services. All CNS billing will occur from the same platform under the authorities umbrella. The CNS next dedicated staff will be responsible for all billing functions that are currently being handled by the City of Thomasville staff. And although this staff again will be employed through the City of Thomasville under that management agreement. They will be solely dedicated to CNS. Next up in August or we're shooting for August 26th, the SCGSA will open the CNS Next Customer Engagement Facility which will serve all customers in Cairo, Camilla, Maltry and Thomasville. This new office is located behind Starbucks at 77 Williamsburg Avenue. The picture's up there. It probably looks familiar to most of you guys. Customers will be directed to this new office for customer support, technical support, payments, collections, billing, and sales, everything CNS. And at this point in time, once this is open, the member cities will no longer be responsible for collection of CNS customer payments once this consolidation has been completed. Okay, this next slide is just a list of important dates. I will point out that none of this information has been released to the public yet. You guys are the first to see it. We do have a letter that is going out, I believe, within the next week or two to all CNS customers. So they will have all of these important dates and changes that are coming to CNS in that letter. On August 16th, the City of Thomasville will process its final bill cycle for CNS services in their billing current billing platform. From August 16th to September 16th, CNS next customers will continue to remit payments where they're combined billing to the City of Thomasville like they always have. This gives the Thomasville team one month post conversion cutover to collect all of the final month of combined billing with utility and CNS services. On August 21st to the 23rd, we let the public know that our customer service teams will be limited in their responsibilities and assisting customers due to the training and cut-over that will be undergoing during that period. On the 26th, again, we'll be having a grand opening to the public for our customer engagement facility. On September 1st, our first bill cycle is set to be run in our new billing platform, which will all be done at the new facility. And from September 1st, moving forward into the future, customers will receive one and voice each month for CNS services only, and their payment methods will include sending checks to our new PO box, online portal, phone payments, and also in-person payments at our new facility. So that will not be happening at the city of Thomasville, I haven't been building anymore for CNS customers. So with all this in mind, the current 2017 intergovernmental operating agreement must be amended for the SDGSA to take over the billing and collection functions for CNS. The amendment will allow for the revision of Section 5, and again, that is so that we can take the authority can take over the billing and collection processes for CNS services. The amendment does also include an exhibit outlining the processes that will take place to transfer the CNS services. The amendment does also include an exhibit outlining the processes that will take place to transfer the CNS account balances from the member city financials to the SGGSA. Once this has been approved or should the City of Tont, should you all approve this? The only responsibilities the City of Tont will have with CNS would be to continue to promote and support CNS in our communities as well as helping redirect our customers to our new staff and facility And that is all I have and this has been approved. This has to be approved by all four cities And as of today we a Kero and Camila have approved this amendment. So we have Thomasville and Ultra Love. So I have a question. The 73 people that are right now with the city of Thomasville, I don't know if that's all they do, but if it's the majority of what they do, tell me about that. What's your plan for the employees, not just with Thomasville, Motri, K. Rowan, you know? So right now, a lot of the employees in that management agreement are doing dual roles for the city of Thomasville and CNS. It's kind of been a, CNS has been an additional workload to all those staff members. So this is our effort to hold some of them out. It's 73 FTEs, but it's pieces of people in some cases. Like there's a piece of Chris, a piece of me, a piece of Ashley. We're all counted in that management agreement and we're City of Thomasville employees, but CNS is not all we're doing. So take for example our billing staff. They're billing utilities and they're billing for CNS services. They're counting that management agreement because the SGSA is covering the cost of their time to perform those duties. Well I guess they're going to have many of them will go because of the fact that they'll all still remain city of Thomasville. They're just being there. There will still be employees of the city of Thomasville but they will just be CNS dedicated. They want to do utilities. Management agreement to the authority pays us around six million dollars a year for the 73 FTEs. A portion of those folks will go out to that you and customer engagement facility and that's all they'll do to see in this service. We're right now they're doing most of them. That's what I've figured. Call Center for example if you call them and it's right now they're doing a most dynamic. That's what I've figured. Who wrote that? Call Center, for example, if you call them and they answer the phone, they're answering questions about all of the different services, but move them forward. They'll have their own staff over there that's handling that collections, cashiers, all of that. But what she was describing at the beginning of the presentation, there are actually two agreements. One is the agreement, the the the operating agreement that all cities have with the STGSA. The second one was the management agreement that is just with Thomasville and we manage it for the entire system. So there isn't a decrease in the workforce. What about an increase in the services? Do you all have a projector for that? Because of all of these changes know the pricing that's set today will be the same. So this is a reminder that you know, as we sit right now, Thomas will build the customer. And what let's say we build 500,000 miles a month and then we build that out. We interned. Send that money to a hand of the authority. That's not what we collect. So if we build out 500 and we only collect 485, then we're almost $15,000. This eliminates that risk. We've got to put that burden back over or hand up. It's not going to be an engine to put the cost. It could really cleans it up. The downfall of that is a lot of people, you know, see a lot of value in having those bills combined. CNS being on with their electric gas water and sewer. And so that's not going to be the case. They'll have a separate bill for CNS services and a separate bill for their core utilities. And they will be in becomes the 111 Victoria Place after September and pay their people. But it is very important that our customers know that. It's a scope a lot as a big deal. We are separating it, but it's still owned and operated by the City of Thomasville. This is still a local company. So the damer building the Rears, and we're going to the U of the West Art Bill in advance. And at the end. So what is that average customer who will see as far as the labs in Payton? They will see in August some customers, depending on their current cycle, we'll see fractials. But in terms of the reversal of the billing, the customer will see no price difference. The authority is taking on that loss of a case. So it's done, it's hurt going to come into that customer. We're going to try to make this as seamless as possible. But what they will see is a new thing. Right, I'm going to have a good one. But we're going to call because everyone will make a connection about the utility bill now. Right. Just have this piece. It's not going to say city costs a lot. If you with media con, you already get a future of the bill going down. You know, actually, what you're doing. Yes. I have another question though. You were talking about a 53% that the city owns. OK. Yep. So whatever comes in, the city gets 53% of it. Is that what you're saying? The distributions are calculated based off of each fund's performance. But essentially, it's usually around 62% of the full Is that what you're saying? The distributions are calculated based off of each fund's performance, but essentially it's usually around 62% of the full distributions that Thomas will get. But in the event that CNS and the authority work to sell in the future to an outside company, Thomas will essentially get 53% of the profits of that sale. We all deserve it. Do what? We all deserve it, right? Yes, that's correct. And so Monday, the ask will be, and you'll see the amendment, but Tim's preparing a resolution. You have a packet from Monday, and basically, the resolution authorizes the mayor mayor for Tim, the sign all related documents to the amendments of the interoperating agreement with the authority. the interoperating agreement with the authority. It's a key and you can't say after this enough, it's going to be a big lift for our customers. Wait, they're all on the line, Adam. Yes. Sorry. But I mean, it's this leading. You know, it's a grow in pain, it's been a huge but it is better for the system as a whole, but it will be perfect. It's absolutely perfect. It means a change. Yep. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thanks, Hannah. And if anybody needs copies of any original or anything, just feel first let me know. I'm sure we can do it. Thanks again. of any original. Just feel first let me know. Thank you. Thanks again. And next we have a motion to offer as the couple of intercontracts regarding our folks on our management that will be TPD started at a loss in that exactly. We got the major chief beloved with us and just a little history on that. Back when Chief Ledney was here last year, we started down the initiative with the nuisance calls related to false laws. And in December, I believe that you all passed, the previous counts, passed the coordinates that addressed nuisance calls and I said she had a fees with that. And in some of those conversations, we were talking about a third party provider who did it and managed to get some of those charges. Today, now you got weighed, it was a new chief. So we brought Cheryl about halfway today kind of with some of the minutia of this current agreement that's on the table with the crowd wolf and said Wade's gonna finish on that. That's somebody who's finally going to start. Good afternoon, Mayor Counsel. Thank you for your time. And I apologize for the, we're not just gonna stick with the current presentation we have prepared for you. Sergeant Lawson done a really good job on this, but let me give a little bit of history lesson as the City Manager, the City Manager, Chris White said, this process started last year by over a year ago. The first part of this process was a document of ordinance about how we deal with false alarms. And even though Chief Letney is no longer with us, he's done a really good job in trying to develop the new policy because it is an issue. Deal with false alarms, and those meeting me and long that we respond to, it becomes an issue. With the help of Tim Sanders and Sergeant Lawson that Chief Letney, even major hairs, they develop a policy. And our policy outlaw was not very heavily involved in the development of policy around that ordinance. So they developed it, and it was passed by the prior City Council in adopted in December of 2023. It's important to note in the ordinance, there are certain requirements, like collections, registration requirements, that is a very daunting task for doing an internal, somebody doing an internal. That's why we saw after outside a third party membership. I will be honest with you, in a lot of your remarks, thank you, um, Kenton, Baker and other people, I understand what you're at. I don't necessarily agree with everything that the crowd will and what we're going in directionally going in. So I'm simply saying that I think we can probably mitigate this a little bit easier, more fish it way to do it, but I just need time to do that. I don't think it's time for us to adopt this and try to get this put in place, because I don't think it's efficient. Not only for the police department, but there's a lot of things that the fish of our citizens that's the most important thing. So I would ask that maybe we can give me some time. It's both since 27, we're the FSU five y'all learn. I think we need to take time and reboot here. Give us time and look at this. So that's all I'm asking us to do. So I agree. I would make a recommendation that we pulled that from the agenda. Yeah, let's pull it. And redis it as necessary in the later date. Yeah, let's pull it. Because I had a bunch of questions about it. And it just didn't sit right with me. Well, it's important to note that the reason we had to go to the third party vendor, third party vendor contractor is because there's some requirements in the current ordinance. A lot of required you to register. the current order is because there are some requirements in the current orders. Like requiring you to register. And so if we're requiring you to register, then we've got to have some way to do that. And that's one of the third part of the vendor. It's going to be very daunting task for a person inside organization to do that, and then get them all to guide into our dispatch. And there's a lot of moving parts to this particular thing. And Sergeant Lolson, as I could said, he's not a great job, but we're really going to evaluate exactly what we want to go with this. We have an inside way, we're doing internally now, and I think we can make the need and maybe change that behavior without having to cost our citizens a lot more money. Is that makes sense? Yeah, that makes sense because, you know, I pay for the long system. I pay monthly payment. So I'm not the pay with another fee of false alarm. So it's just, that's not right for the citizens right now. I don't, it just don't sit right with me. Well, you know, I understand through a false alarm is really, you know, it's up to us, our discretion. We consider it false alone. We get a lot of false alone. We have power averages. Our power is based on some of the things like that. And to the sort of the loss of the point we discuss today, we call this bad to say, that's not a false alone. We're not going to solve the question. There's a lot of discretion in the order, but I think in order for us to develop or go into a contract to do this internally, we don't have to go back and change some of the policy I've acquired in the policy or the ordinance right there. Okay. What's the difference between doing that and have we tried to educate the citizens and the business especially, I don't agree with citizens, but I mean, you know, residents, but the businesses first, well, they're false alarms. I know they, I know, you know, last year when I was coming to, I was attending the meetings I still do. For the public safety, there were a lot of things about how these alarms, and you had numbers and everything. So during that time, to now have we tried to educate, and let them know that what we were going to do. To be honest, we should have tried to educate some of them, but not as much as we probably should have. One of the things that we do education-wise is we offer them two responses a month. And after that, it's $20 per response. And so we tell them, this is your second or third, so the next time it's going to be just going to keep adding up. And again, when you go back and look at the numbers, as usually the same one, then we finally get from like 18 or 19 calls to the same residents or the same business a month. By that time, they already know that their loans is malfunctioning and we should figure it out. So one of the other. Correct. I mean, the conversation we have last year is the group that is causing it is not huge. It's not too long. But to me, it's not an education. They know this is happening. They're not going to have it change until they get fine and get held accountable. But I can't remember all the resources it takes. But there's a lot of time when I was spent from officers going to a place over and over and over. It's a problem we got to fix. Obviously, it sounds like there's still work to be done. We definitely need to address it, but we need to make sure we're doing it in the most efficient way possible. And that's the whole point of removing it and tabling it, so that it gives them a little bit more time to look at it. Because there is a mechanism, like Wade said, in place now, can it be improved? Yes. Can it be improved internally? Or do we need a third party provider to help us with that? That's what he wants some more time to go back and look at that. So because of the discussion and the questions that were raised, we were able to have a conversation with Wade and felt like, let's, let's be sure. And we're going to continue with the current process. We'll continue to be able to be able to be over and over again. We're notifying them and all that stuff, but until we get to some place. And so, you should see Sergeant Lawson quite a bit. That's your call. about a bit of school. That's your phone. Yeah. Long ago, here's a... And finally, we figured out that it was a thing. Somebody had something hanging in it with classrooms. Oh, yeah. But what it got, cold, the heat would come on and blow it so that the motion can. Okay, everybody. So they need to really try to figure out what's causing their alarms to go up 19 times, right? Like the school did. That was our original goal in the entire process. I think since that time it's gotten a little... Not caring. Big for its riches. But the original drive behind this was changing that behavior. And I'll offer some examples. There's one business in town that had 19 alarms in one month. And that business knew exactly what was causing their alarm to go off. But instead of fixing the issue, what they did was essentially created a line item to account for a certain number of false alarms and would include that in their budget to know that at the end of January they would have to pay this much because of their false alarm. So there was no changing behavior. And these aren't issues with residences. These are mostly commercial. But to give you another example, I went to an alarm today where a woman went home. The second biggest problem is with the alarm company. Because she got home her alarm started going off. Her panel is not working for her to deactivate it. So they did the third party verification where they called her through the panel and she asked them to cancel. And they did. So we as the police department wouldn't count hers as a false alarm because that's not anything through any fault of hers. She did everything that she could and that she was supposed to do to make sure that it was taken care of, but the alarm company's not being held accountable. And that's more of the desired aim of what we're trying to do, as opposed to what it's kind of morphed into, if that makes sense. Okay. And the Councilman Scott, you know, the Chess thing's a point. There is a lot of resources, a lot of resources that we spend, the trouble of going to these folks along. So again, I think it's a better way to do it if we can have more time. Thank you. Thank you. Nice way. Thank you. Go. And next we have, we do have that was an end of the agenda for Monday. We have staff and workers. We have here with us tonight our network of security analysts, Mitchell Christie, who's from our President of Technology Group. He's going to be doing a presentation with Cybersecurity. Can we have a minute? Hey, I know. You know that. Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor, Council. Our goal today, I'm representing the IT department on energy Joe's here as well. Our goal today is to talk about cybersecurity. What is it and why do we need those two basic questions from Tobi out your hair. And before we get into the size I think the most important thing is we just had two officers leave. That's what we would consider as physical security. So anytime you think about physical security, think about police officers, locks on your front door, alarm systems, gates and things like that. Things that you can physically, tangibly touch and that make you feel safe and make you feel like you're valuables and the things that you care about are safe, right? Cybersecurity is very similar to physical security. The only difference is cyber security is focused on cyberspace. So those things that you can't physically, intangibly touch, those valuables that are out there in cyberspace, that's what cyber security is aimed at. And then that begs the other important question before we get it to the slide is what are our valuables in cyberspace? So I'm sure if I asked you any of you guys what your valuables are in your house and your pockets and your cars You can name a bunch of things that you deem as valuable that we can all sit here and look at touch physically see right? When it comes down to the cyber landscape you can't physically and see Things that are valuable to you, right? There's just numbers on the screen. If you look at a picture, I can't actually touch anything inside of the picture, none of that. So what are our values? Keep in heart information for us and not for everybody out there in the world. Absolutely. Absolutely. Check it in the accounts. Right, right. So all of those things that you said, Social Security numbers, all of Absolutely. Absolutely. Check the accounts. Right. Right. So all of those things that you said, Social Security numbers, all of those things fall under one category and that's data. All right. So Cybersecurity is focused on keeping your data safe. Data is our number one currency in the digital landscape. It's what hackers are after. It's what professionals like myself are trying to keep safe at all times. Do you want you to end? hackers are after, it's what professionals like myself are trying to keep safe at all times. You do not shoot in. You do not use a push to go to the office and stay here. Right, right. I think we all have a couple of examples of some things that are passionate. So why do we need it? I think we've all kind of gone over a couple reasons why, but an overall general idea is because it protects our networks, our devices, and our data is from unauthorized access usage or attacks. We don't want anybody getting into the city's data. We don't want everybody to access every part of what the city has. I know growing up, my mom was a teacher. There used to be file cabinets. The file cabinet had a little lock on it everything in the file cabinet was the data right. You didn't have a key you couldn't get in. Very similar to having a password on your computer or having a password to get certain applications right. You don't have a key you can't get in. That security measure is a security measure cybersecurity measure that is keeping unauthorized access and keeping people out from getting to what we deemed valuable. It also safeguards sensitive information like Social Security, Banking Account Information and ensures that the public safety in maintaining all the city services. So I know we have utilities, we have electric, all of these things kind of focus in center around cybersecurity. Without cybersecurity we can't technically keep them safe outside of putting them behind a gate and you know having somebody watch them at all times. And data again is the currency of hackers. We have to safeguard our data from all hackers. They're going to continuously, continuously, continuously try to access our data for various different reasons. Some of them might want to steal the data, some of them might want to sell the data, some of them just might want to have it. So why do we need it? Those are the reasons. The key components of the cybersecurity. I like to kind of mirror everything to how it is in the real world versus the cyberspace or the virtual world. So when the first component network security takes all our networks from intrusions, if you think about our entire city of Thomasville digital landscape, it's inside of a big fence. We call it a firewall, but you can think of it like a fence. It keeps everybody that's supposed to be in and it keeps everybody on the outside out and there is somebody checking all the time people going in and out making sure that who's supposed to be in there isn't there, right? Application Security is a second. and application security basically just says all of the apps that we use is employees and to keep things running in the city of Thomasville we have to make sure that those are safe as well. Almost all of them are third-party applications so making sure that security is in place on our end and on their end really helps keep all of our employees safe and keeps them effective at doing their jobs so they don't have to worry about is this okay to click on can I click on this cannot open that endpoint security is more for all the devices so if you have a cell phone that's owned by the city of terms field you have a laptop if you have a computer if you have an. We want to make sure that every single one of those devices have some type of security on them so that if something happens to that device, it does not get inside of our network and then spread. Pretty simple. If your kid has chicken pops, you take them out of school, you leave them at the house. That way it doesn't spread to everybody else in the inside, right? Very similar to end point security. Data security protects sensitive data from unauthorized access. Very simple. City of, city of time of field employees sometimes have to fill out forms just to gain access to open certain folders. Why? Because we want to make sure that whatever data we do have and whatever things that we do have, the right people have access to use it and the right people with that access that are using it or using it for what it's intended to be used for. Right? We don't want people with malicious ideas or intents to be able to access sensitive data and then gain access to other things actually in the physical world, right? Then identity management. I like to think about identity management is a security guard at the front gate. They check your ID every time you come up. Make sure that, hey, you are who you say you are, you are now allowed in. Very similar to having two-factor on your computer or having a password. It just ensures that whoever comes inside of our fence, our firewall is supposed to be here. And we know that who they are. Who does it protect you from? One of my favorite things to say is it protects us from ourselves. 38% of cybersecurity incidents happen because somebody on the inside, either made a mistake, somebody on the inside either made a mistake, somebody on the inside had malicious intent, it's usually us, use the error, right? Anytime sometimes when we call IT, we'll call IT, we'll be like, I don't know what's wrong, and then you find out you had your caps lock on where you're trying to type a password and use an error. In this scenario, ourselves could allow us to have malware, which are software that are designed to damage devices or gain access to devices when they're not supposed to have access. And this can happen in a variety of ways. You could click on a link that you don't know what it is from a fake email and then that link downloads malware to your computer without you knowing. You could find a USB drive in the parking lot, say hey I like how this USB drive looks. I'm going to go clear it off and use it as my USB drive as soon as you plug it up to the computer. You have malware on your computer. The list of ways that it can happen is pretty crazy. Most recently we had a drop box incident and the drop box incident was very similar to somebody clicked on something that they thought was an email from somebody they knew, which it was, but that other person on the outside of the city of Thomasville had already been affected and was sending that infection out through drop box emails. One employee knew who the person was that sent under the email, clicked on the email and now those people who were installing malware and had malicious intent now had access to her computer as well. So it can happen a variety of ways and it can happen very very quickly and a lot of times it can happen and you don't even know. You can click the link like what is this, close out and go on about your day meanwhile in the background on your computer there's things downloading. That also kind of slides into that third point which is fishing. Fishing is as it sounds hackers will send out emails over and over and over I Know the mayor had a situation where his email was not compromised But somebody was pretending to be him asking for gift cards, right? They're fishing They're trying to see who they can get and click on links. They're trying to see who they can get to give them access to something that they don't have access to without the data, right? ransomware very very similar to malware. Ransomware is more focused on ransom. So they break into the system. They kick the ITT mount and then they call the mayor or they call the city manager and say, hey, we'll let you back into all your data for X amount of dollars. Plenty simple. That's happened. That's happened. The MGM just had a very similar scenario where they got hacked and instead of, you know, I like that they had faith in their IT team but instead of paying the ransom, they decided that they would take their own route and try to get back in on their their dime. And every day that they didn't pay the ransom, the ransom continued to go up. Just goes up, up, up, up, and up, right? And when other entities or a hacker or somebody has access to your data, even though they're holding it for ransom, you don't know if they're copying it, you don't know if they're downloading it, you don't know if they're keeping it, but they're selling it while they're actually trying to sell it back to you. There's a variety of things that those people could be doing with ransomware. DDSO, DDS, DDOS, sorry. I like to think these as trying to gain access over and over and over with the idea to bring the system down. So I'm sure we've all been to a festival or we've all been to places where you have to check in at a security gate, right? Go to the security gate, he checks your ID, he patched you down and everything he lets you in. A DDOS attack would be if instead of all of us filing in and single file line and getting checked in and then going in We just all get together and run at that one security guard at one time Right he might be able to check all of us, but he's gonna make some mistakes He's gonna have some issues and we may be able to overpower him all together When a hacker uses a ddo s attack their idea is to try to overwhelm the system. Yes, the system is doing what it's designed to do, but if we keep forcing the issue and keep sending this and keep sending it, keep trying this, keep trying this, eventually it may bring the system down, right? And when it brings the system down, then they're able to access it through various other channels while the system is down and I doing it performing its job functionally. So what does it protect us from? All for those, but more importantly, again, it protects us from ourselves because it's a set of checks and balances. If you do accidentally download something, you're not supposed to download cyber security, we get an alert. We'll see it. We can stop it or the firewall won't let you download it that's keeping you from making a mistake that you don't know that you're making right what could happen one of my favorite slides although it kind of scares me sometimes for the simple fact that I don't want to be the person if we don't take cyber security seriously I don't want to be the person standing next to the mayor and the IT director answering questions on the news of why didn't we have things in place, right? Because the number one thing that could happen, somebody gets your data is loss of money. And loss of money can come in a variety of ways. Data loss. If we lose data or if there's a ransomware attack and we have to pay to get our data back, we've lost money. If public services or billing cannot run the billing statements because the entire billing software has been had, we're losing money. And then more importantly, and the most important thing I think that we can all say is the loss of the community's trust. As the City of Thomasville, we have the trust of the community. They trust us that we're doing the right thing with all of their data, our data, and everything that we have in the city. If we lose the community's trust, ultimately, we're going to lose money as well, right? So what could happen is always the loss of money, but more importantly, we can lose the community's trust and I don't want to be retroactive. I would rather be proactive, right? I would rather make sure we put the right things in place and have the right procedures and practices so that none of us are standing on the news answering questions. Specifically about cybersecurity. The process. Process is pretty, pretty simple. When you look at it like this, there are a lot of moving pieces. So the first one is always identified. And to me, the process is proactive and also retroactive. When you're identifying risk and vulnerabilities, this could be me and Joe walking around and making sure that everybody has passwords or make sure that people's passwords are a certain length and certain amount of special characters. It could be making sure that switches and valuable things technology-wise are locked rooms. It could be making sure that the firewalls and things that we have in place are up to standard and up to date with all of the new vulnerabilities and things that are going on. So that's more of a proactive approach. We're constantly looking for vulnerabilities that we have in our system so that we can mitigate those and keep those bad actors out. Protect, once we identify a risk, if you identify a hole in the wall you plug the hole in the wall, right? It's kind of a very very generalistic idea of how identifying and protect happen. If we do find that there's a new vulnerability threat that hackers have come up with, then we make sure that we put things in place so that new threat cannot be used against us. Right? Hackers are working tirelessly. They are, every day all day, they're trying to find new ways to get in and around cyber security. It's a never ending battle. So every single day I get emails from a couple of third parties in a couple of different places of new hacks that are coming out, new vulnerabilities that are coming out, new things that might apply to us. So keeping that information in mind along with identifying what our vulnerabilities and our risk are kind of the proactive approach at keeping our city safe. However, we do have incidents from time to time, can't keep everybody out. And then this comes to the tech, which is monitor for security breaches. Detect to me is if an alarm goes off and tells me that so and so is trying to download something delicious. That could be so and so acting in a malicious manner, but it also could be them just trying to download something that we do not to be safe for the City of Thomasville's infrastructure. Or it could be, hey, I get an email that, you know, so and so is sending out these drop boxes, but I don't know why she's sending these drop boxes out That is I'm detecting a threat that we may or may not have That's more of a retroactive Approach something has to happen for you to detect for it to happen. So again, you know probably to retroactive respond I think that the city of Thomasville since I've been here has a great response time to threats and incidents. Anytime something seems to happen within the hour, within an hour and a half, we've eliminated the threat and now we're starting a process from the beginning again. Once we eliminate the threat, now we want to identify how did the threat happen, how did they get in, how can we stop it from happening again? You know what I'm saying? Making sure our processes and our protocols are in place so that we can continue to detect things like that. And then we go down to that last bullet point and we recover, which is restoring services and making sure things are back to normal or back to what they were before the incident. Recovery sometimes can take longer than the other steps because after you eliminate the threat sometimes you have to figure out what all the threat actually did while it had access if it gained access. Did they change anything on our side? Did they leave a back door open for themselves to get back in the next time? So every single step can can be proactive, can be retroactive, but together they kind of cover it all and in my opinion all five of those steps are just as important as the one after it simply because it takes all five of those steps to keep people out and to stay ahead of the hackers. There is I want to say 10 to 15 people who work at IT for the city of Thomasville, there are probably 10 to 15,000 hackers inside Georgia. They have an unfair advantage and they're sitting at home nice and comfortable not in their suits at their computer, playing their cat and they're just trying all day long to figure something out. So I think our team does a good job with making sure we stay on top of all five of those steps so that we can stay ahead of them at all times. Challenges. Constant evolution of threats. I can say there's a lot more hackers than there are people working on cyber security. And when you have people who are actively, actively, everyday trying new things, try and get, try and get tried. That didn't work today. I'm going to try these three things tomorrow. That didn't work today. I'm going to try these three things tomorrow. You have a constant evolution of threats. And when you have a constant evolution of threats. And when you have a constant evolution of threats, you have to constantly be researching, identifying, and staying up to date with the knowledge of what is a threat. Because you may be safe today, but tomorrow when you wake up, there may be three holes that you didn't know about, right? Or there may be three new holes because we got a new software. Or somebody decided to, we want to work with this company now and now having that third party company has open new security holes that we didn't know before. So there's a constant evolution of threats and that is probably our biggest challenge inside of security is just staying ahead of the vast majority of people who are on the other side. Resource limitations, this is the council. We all know that money is finite. We wish it was unlimited. However, resources cost money, right? So we have to have the right resources in order to fight certain threats in order to stay ahead of the game. So the limitation on how much we can spend in certain areas is a challenge that we all face. I think that's not just in cybersecurity, but in everybody's field and position. If money was unlimited, I don't think we would all be here. We'd just be out there enjoying life right now Legacy systems so there are systems in place that you know have been around for quite some time As time changes these systems still work. Yes to perform their function, but they also Post-security threats as time goes on That if you've had something that's if you have a car that's 25 years old, you can't take it to every shop and just get it fixed because they don't work on those anymore, right? Or it's harder to find the parts to fix a certain problem. Same with these legacy systems. There are systems in the city of Talbotfield that are probably older than me myself. So learning to keep them up to date while also keeping their functionality being an older system is a challenge that we face kind of all. Every day. And then the last challenge again, users. User education is the one thing that I've been pushing for since I've started this position. We don't have direct initiatives to continuously educate our users on threats, on what to do and not to do and how to safely navigate that space. We want to educate, educate, educate. We know that nobody's going home after work. After a long day of work, I know nobody here is going home and reading how security hackers are hacking today. Right? I know none of us are going home and reading how to keep our emails safe. It's I completely understand. Some days I don't want to do it myself. However, we need to have an initiative to educate our users with the knowledge that the IT team has to keep everybody up to date and to keep everybody on their toes without you having to go home and read anything right. Same way we want to keep people safe with safety skills we need to have some type of initiative so that we can keep people safe in a digital landscape just like we keep them in the real world. Enhancement suggestions, an event threat detection system. These things can be expensive. However, these help basically do my job 10 times more effective. We all know that a computer is 10 times faster, 100 times faster than we are personally. If you can be a message right now and tell me to take somebody down the street, it'll take me a thousand times longer than it would if you just send a text message, right? So events, threat detection systems are a database. There are a lot of things, but more importantly, there are database that keeps up with all of the new threats. So if there's a new threat in China, you will know about it. Before I even read an email, before anybody on the IT team learns about it. And those threat detection systems not only can detect them, but they can educate us on how to educate you so that everybody can continuously be safe. Again, increased training and awareness initiatives, everything starts with user education. 38% of incidents are self-inflicted, right? Our user error. The more education we have and the more knowledge that people have, the less those things happen. I do know that recently we ran a fishing campaign where we sent out some fake emails just to see what we would do. And it was a big thing at the time. However, when we recently had this incident with the Dropbox and somebody gaining access to our system, we had so many employees that responded to the message saying, hey, I didn't open this because I remember you said, hover over it. If you don't know what it is, delete it. So these small things that they took to heart from the fishing campaign helped keep them safe in a real world scenario. You know, proactive approach is campaign user awareness. It's annoying, people are not going to want to add it to their to-do list of the day. However, again, I would much rather deal with that proactive approach than be on the news on Thursday and having a reactive approach and trying to figure out how to fix a problem. So I think, again, increasing training and awareness starts with everybody at the top and trickles down. And I think that we have the things in place to do these things. We just need to make it an initiative. Security artists and pen testing schedules, I think it would be a really good idea if we had time set aside to not only audit all of our security measures and to make sure that, you know, monthly, quarterly, yearly that they are up to date and up to standards but also maybe bringing in outside sources to PIN test. And PIN testing is basically penetration testing. It's a person who is a hacker but they are a ethical hacker. They come in and they tell you all the things that you should do to bolster your security. Basically, they act as if they're a malicious person but for the good of the company. They want to get in as many ways they can. They want to poke as many holes as they can in order to tell us how we can be exposed if somebody works and try to do these things. I think those things could really, really help. And then, again, lastly, importantly, listen to IT. I think that we all have great jobs. We all have amazing roles. We do a great job in our roles. And what makes the city of Tomfield unique is we have qualified people in each and every position and if you listen to that qualified person when you're talking about what they do then you'll know what they do and you can kind of take their word for it. For instance if I ask the case in about anything in finance I can trust that I know that she knows what she's talking about. She's going to give me direct answers and I can take those answers and run with them. It's the same in IT. We have to listen to our IT professionals. If IT says that we should do X, Y, and Z because it would make us safer, it needs to be at the top of everybody's mind. We need to figure out how we can do it because again, not just myself, but everybody on the team spins their days playing with computers. We read things about computers. We go home and actually read the blogs about how to keep people out and how to keep things safe. So just listening to IT and about IT to do their part of the puzzle that keeps the city of Thomasville going, I think is a big, big piece. Questions? Thank you for your time. It should be any. I was going to say that's a good presentation with no questions. Mitchell. So Christine. Oh boy. Right. The latest conditions that I have to talk about. Yes. No one uses you aboard. I teach department what probably about a year ago. Yes, yes. It's the first dog board. It's the first dog board. That is you. I know a lot of people. You are the jeans kid, right? Yes ma'am. Jean-jean. Jean's the genius kid. No jeans. I'm not going to go to the movies. But we might want to make my genius in this though. But yes, his, yeah. It genes. Yeah, he's done an outstanding job. So he's a good one board. But all the training efforts he's got with the boys and that's pretty good catches. Not everybody locks him because not everybody locks. That's a really nice, it's a tough to go through. It was a little authentication and things like that. But it's all for the right reasons to protect our network and protect our data. Because we did, you know, probably eight years ago, about 10 years ago, I don't know. We got, we had a ransomware attack. And they got in, but our folks caught it pretty quick, but then left three hours in, and we're extracting, you know, we're extracting all that data, and then we showed them now a lot of them out, but they still, you know, they had three hours of data that we didn't have access to. And they were asking for back in the day they did that through cryptocurrency. They were going to be paying Bitcoin, and they're off shore somewhere. And so we still were going to kick rocks. But we had sufficient backup data for the previous time that they had. We were able to go back to the day before and we create all that data and restore the system without really losing anything and then we didn't have to pay anything at all. Same week, C. C. Milagot hit probably from the same folks and they were looking at them and they lost at all and they went to Africa, tens of thousands of dollars that they paid in criminal currency. They got it back. I would have done that, but pretty risky. And we do have serious stuff. We do have insurance in place. Cyber security insurance in place that helps us if anything were to happen, can't help mitigate some of that loss. And just speaking to what Chris said, I don't mind being the person that's not like as long as everybody's safe. I feel like, you know, that's the bigger goal. If everybody's safe and everybody's happy, then I'm perfectly fine. It also component of our financial audit is a cybersecurity piece, the layer is not a super deep dive, but they do look at all our cybersecurity protection of the measures that we've got in place players, not a super deep dive, but they do look at all our cyber security protection of measures that we've got in place in our policies and procedures and all of that, and that weighs in on our actual annual audit that planning does. We appreciate that. No problem. Thank you. Did you do the great job? Thank you. I worked his day about 25 years. Yep. 30 this building for 25 years. If I have 30 years, I'll bring a little bit more. I remember when he was born. He said you had to go down with the turn after you. I had good examples. Thank you guys. Return home to get these colors. I'm sure I'll get his conversation. No more, I'll call you day and boy covers. Yes. Right. I'm sure I'll head his conversation. No more I'll call you down, my way home. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Here we have one more staff report from April, North, on the art gift agreement. Schooled you a quick staff report on that. Hey, I think I got five minutes. I think I can do it shorter. All right. Yeah. Well, good afternoon, Mayor and Council. I am presenting a staff report today. It is in an agenda format because we do hope to bring this before you sooner rather than later. We are looking to enter into an agreement with the Thomasville Center for the Arts for the bronze sculptures that we have already in our downtown. You're probably very familiar with these bronze sculptures. This is an initiative that began in 2005. It is a partnership through the Wildlife Arts Festival to put wildlife in public places. And our first bronze sculpture was installed in 2005. And since then, we have had seven bronze installations throughout our downtown. Most of these are on Broad Street. There is one that is outside of this building in our breezeway as well. And these furry and feathered friends join the Hunt the Lost Quill. The Lost Quill are not a part of this agreement. That is a separate partnership. And it's one of the city of Thomasville and itself with private sponsors. So the bronze sculptures themselves that you see throughout the downtown. This agreement has been more so as a handshake agreement. While there's nothing wrong with that in order for us to protect ourselves and also the Thomasville Center for the Arts. Earlier this year, we did enter into conversation of solidifying that through documentation for both parties. And so the art gift agreement that you have does contain agreement conditions including protection of the gifted items. It showcases the exhibition of each item, each bronze sculpture, and then the returner gifted items basically just says, if we so choose to not have any of the bronze sculptures on the cities right of way at any point in time that that bronze sculpture would go back to the center for the arts for their usage in any way, and that we would continue to provide communication to them if there are any damages to any of the sculptures in any way as well. So this is something that we are already doing. It's just formalizing that through art gift agreement and so we'd hope to bring this back to you for your approval and We are waiting on our risk manager has reached out to Germa to ensure that each of these bronze sculptures are within our insurance policy so that we can make sure each item is covered. So once we hear that back from Amanda with that, we'll be able to present this to you all for approval. These are the seven bronze sculptures that are throughout the downtown and as you all know a partnership with the Center for the Arts is longstanding. It's one that we are so fortunate to have a lot of communities do not have an arts organization that pour into your community. We see so much value in that, and these bronze sculptures have been a great piece to our visitors' experience and our locals. We have had so many people come in, even through the summertime of wanting to hunt the lost quail and going out and seeing these. And they're so unique because even the little girl handle with care that's holding the puppy, she, you'll oftentimes see a little coin stuck in her bronze pocket. unique because even the little girl handle with care that's holding the puppy. She, you'll oftentimes see a little coin stuck in her bronze pocket. Or Ollie the Otter will have a little scarf around him maybe around Rochow or Christmas time. So our community really does get involved with it. Any questions to this agreement at all? I do want to let you know that the bronze sculptures were all purchased by the Thomasville Center for the Arts. Their value of their purchases range anywhere from $5,000 to $9,000 that were gifted to the city. The only expense of the city over the past 14 years has been the installation of each bronze sculpture and there's not been a lot of care that has been needed other than we did have an incident where we had someone run over one of them and so we had to remount them. You had to do what? Remount the outer back but insurance to cover that because it was at their expense as well for that so with that these projects have been rewarding for the city and for the center for the arts. And it really is a great way to connect people with our community and what makes Thomasville so special with us being surrounded by plantations and being quilt capital of the world and really showcasing wildlife. So we do honor this project and we are just coming to present today just to let you know that this is something we have to bring back to you. Possibly Monday to add to an agenda item if we do hear about from Gurma. So we'll bring this back to us right there. Other things that we're looking at getting bronze that just for? So this agreement is specific to the seven that we currently have. There has been discussion of other sculptures that are being considered. If that's the case, if the Center for the Arts or a private donor decides to purchase one, we do have art funds to help support the installation of something like that. Each of these bronze sculptors are put in honor or in memory of someone that has made an impact within our community. So if we were to get any additional bronze sculptors, we would just have to make an amendment to this agreement to include those moving forward. So who decide which, I'm sorry, so who decide which branch start setters are we putting in the center of the arts? So it is a partnership in the past that has been one where we have done through the Main Street Advisory Board because design is a key element to the Main Street approach. And so we've had a design committee in the past that has provided that we have the placements of proposed locations and proposed pieces of art that were identified years ago. And the last one was the quill that are in the, it's a cavi of quail, that last picture there on the bottom right and that one was installed into the breezeway and that was one that was purchased by the center in 2018. So we have not had any new bronze sculptures. Our city's initiative has been more so into the creative district and the bottom recently and putting art into those areas of public places. So the little girl was somebody else's? The center donated that. The center donated for the art. So these are both each one? These are donations from all. Right. We did not pay for any of these bronze sculptures. These were all gifted to the city and we installed them and added plaques to each one. Scott Millburn. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know how we can balance this all. Maybe one more, make it eight. But I just think the makeup of the Thomas Phil should have something in a bronze if you're gonna have that little girl, which is beautiful. I think these bronze statues are really nice, but I also believe with the balance, which means that we should have a stature of only these things right here, not in the corner, the epithetial side, but that look like African Americans. That's my suggestion. I'll be sure to share that back with the Senate for the Arts as well. But this action is just coming to be something. They said. Honestly, they're under process. They do partner with the Center that really speak to the bottom and the history and culture and hear it to that as well. This is specifically our bronze sculptures that are throughout the day. Would April sign? She'll take that suggestion back to them so that they can keep that in mind if they were to gift us with more art. And if they do, then we would bring that back to amend this agreement to cover the eighth one and then maybe the ninth or tenth and so on. And each one, I'd say it is presented in a manner of those who have impacted art within our community and so each one is put in honor and memory of. So you are anticipating that we find out something back in the firm of this week, you know Friday, and you know. If that's the case, you all be able to have this student in the Monday. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. That's all we have. You're welcome. That's all we have. Do we have anything? Thank you. Thank you. Do we have a... A... 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