Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Because we have one public comment that is not on the agenda. We here, please go ahead. Yes, this comment is from Rabbi Simpa A. Green. Dear Mayor Friedman, please understand I'm not angry at you. Disappointed, yes, angry no. For more than four months I've said messages to you asking it. You speak with me concerning the recent pack. Early hell's united. I have over and over again not spoken with me. You have over and over again not spoken with me on this matter. There can only be one conclusion to be made. Obviously you have something to hide and because of that you refuse to speak with me. I'm not angry at you, but I'm ashamed for you in that I must draw this conclusion. That is the end of this comment. Okay, and for the record, I hope that I bring it not as disappointed or as a thing in me as it was previously stated by big out there, lengthy conversation with the industry. Okay, we will go on to a washer deep power reports for the human relations commission, financial commission and share terrible social and find information in the terrible, so the biggest difference in agricultural commitments. What is it? If you go on and give us that report. Thank you, good afternoon mayor, members of the council. Like this afternoon, this report provides you with an update on the interview panel's recommendation for the upcoming openings for the Human Relations Commission, planning commission, charitable solicitations commission, and arts and culture commission. Next slide, please. So, Neil Zohan, we continued with our interviews for various commissions, and we interviewed, well, not we, but the panel, the panel interviewed for four commissions, who first won us the Human Relations Commission. It was held on Friday, July 17th, and included Council Member John Mirish, Council Member Lily Bossi, Chair of the Commission, or England Veld, and Vice Chair Karen Opelvis-Libin. The Planning Commission panel's interview was held on Wednesday July 20, that included Mayor Les Friedman, Council Member Lily Bosse, Chair Peter Ostoff, and Vice Chair Laurie Green Gordon. Next slide, please. The Chair of the solicitation submission panel, we at the Wased Health on Thursday July 23, with Mayor Les Friedman, Vice Mayor Bob Wanda-Lay, Chair Ira Friedman, and Vice Chair Pam Hrosshauer. And finally for the arts and culture, commission panel interview, Iwishelle O'urtz, a.k.a. 30th with Council Member John Meyers, Council Member Lily Bosse, Chair Michael Sloove, and Vice Chair Deborah Frank. Next slide. The panels recommended the following individuals, residents who applied for these commissions for the Human Relicist commissions. There was two seats that were would be opening. And so the first seat would go to Laura Margo. And if the council approves, her turn would begin on July 1st of 2021. She would be taking over for the position for outgoing commissioner Karen Popovitz-Liven where her term ends on July 2nd, 30th of 2021. The second state would go to Viral Elkubi Museum and her term would also begin on July 1st of 2021 and she would be taking the bus is for outgoing commissioner and at stala. Um, term ends, uh, June 38, 2021. The next commission was the planning to miss and see if there was this one. The decision that was open and that was, uh, it was recommended to have Gary Ross take over for outgoing to Miss Lower Laurie Green Gordon. And Gary Ross's term would begin on July 1st, 2021. Laurie's possessed her outgoing commissioner position. Her term would end on June 30th of 2021. Next slide, please. For the charitableerebral Stylocytesis Commission, there were two seats. The first seat went to Kathy. It is being recommended for Kathy's element. And her term would begin on January 1st, 2021. As soon as we take it over for outgoing commissioner Joe Safier, who's term ends on December 30th, 2020. And second, he is being recommended for Kevin Lipton, and his term would begin on July 1st, 2021, with for our point commissioner Pam Kraussau, who are her term on energy 30th of 2021. And finally, the Arts and Culture commission, there were two seats. The first seat was recommended for Marilyn Beck. Her term would begin on July 1st, a flowing train won for outgoing commissioner Michael Snoke. And his term as I was in 30th. And then this second seat is being recommended for Carla Gordie Bristle. And her term would also begin on July 1st, and next year. And so we're being taken over for the seat Gordon Bristol and her firm would also begin on July 1st of next year and so would be taking over for the steep for outgoing commissioner, Dale Richard Rubens, whose firm went in until the 3rd of next year. To the council crew, then the recommendations will be placed on the formal consent agenda, if you just see the council meeting. As always, we really, really thank all of our applicants who apply for these commissions and we look forward to having them reapply. They did not get a position this time. They shouldn't lose heart. They can apply again and see how they can get involved with the community. And of course, if they have not, they see a looking team that really helps, as an option to learn more about Sting Beverly Hills since back online at the COVID-19. And that is a very important. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have any public comments? What do you do? OK, so for the men who are to go to the legs on the porch here, I think what you can do this is not the legs on, but we're on the commuted, on the edit panel, such as the ones that were on it. We will hit Council Member Gold because we've got a pass on this group and go to government revolting about human relations, planning the analysis. Yes, I was busy. I will just say, as we always hear, but this is difficult. We look for really incredible, incredible applicants and it's always really hard to make these choices. And similar to what Uma said, I really am hoping and encouraging anybody who replied to please try not to be too discouraged. Please, if there is a commission that you want, apply again. We know of quite a few people that apply once, but we've had even four times before they think about the commission they wanted to just keep applying and we unanimously supported the candidates that are being proposed. And purple over the mirror of human relations and our local. What we're lucky to now start a great opportunity. It wasn't the decision, but ultimately we feel that we have the decision and we feel that the people we pick will serve us well. I feel that we will go to Vice Mayor Wendell on the terrible situation. We are going in the remarks already. May name, we are very fortunate to have some of these qualified people applying for these positions in the current two volunteers. Their services to the city. I was just going to say just this and then we think to the two people that we did, I'm chatting again. Thank you. I'm going to follow up on two of the models and fighting and here with the citizens and I will echo the exhaust and comments about college. You know, we always say this, but it's been more through now than ever before that the level of participants that we have gone to be on this domestic assistance tour. And whether you've applied once or twice, could go to the vote. I think that what we try to do is still a spot on the need that we believe is there. That need to come up with not fall apart for the position is just that there's a certain need as required. And we try to really hard to fill these. And I hope he with all of the recommendations, tell him a little bit of goal if you wanted to have any comments. I would just congratulate everybody. One question I suppose I am. I noticed at least for the last one, and perhaps one of the others, that we're pointing to people to start at the same time. And I think we need to identify seniority for ascension into the championship position. Okay, and that would be on both few regulations and architecture. And I believe on... No, if I don't know whether that would be the panelists, just put a stat, go work there, just get any word of it. This is your and what this is about, and it was the second. He asked me. Yeah, but what was I, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you, uh, whether you So, I'm going to want to discuss at this time, or we have to go back to the liaison and discuss it together. Yeah. Okay. And one, well, I would, so we'll awkward, but sometimes there's one candidate who everybody agrees on and then conversation about a second candidate or what might be the second candidate that makes that easier. I understand. Well, one thing I think we might be able to come to that, is that something we're allowed to do offline and I don't know if Larry can answer that? Larry? Yes, I don't think that you can do it off when you can do it in your standing committees or you can direct the staff, draw straws and the two candidates draw straws and they will then based on that order, crime straws, that's the order that they'll serve in terms of the care of the by-share. Would you like to go back to the Albuquerque or do you have straws on? I'm okay with having straws be drawn. I would be. Okay, so who would be able to take your left? Yes. Okay, so then unless the ask the chairman of that program. If you want to say that in one case though, there was very specifically, there was a recommendation under the terrible solicitor face and submission. Kathy and my helmet was recommended to be the first person to take over for Tennessee here. For that, for that's all for them. Well, on that one, I didn't even bring that forward. We didn't have different start dates. We had this set of most, ourself, right? And now we have some're looking at that. Okay, what's with anything further will go on to, well, I was thinking in fact that there is one other artist comment on the day by side of. Yes, it appears a comment called a little later, but her name is Linda. And she would like to speak about it. I didn't just tell the evenings agenda about commercial tenant evictions. You will not be available in the evening and would like to speak now. Okay, so please go ahead. Yes, good afternoon. Thank you, everyone. I think you might call. I do appreciate your time. I wanted to speak with respect to the eviction moratorium. We all know that many other cities and just fiction have extended the moratorium to around the honor of September, maybe 30th, with respect to all of their circumstances, of recent months and the recent closure again by the governor Newsom and how it has truly impacted our city and our businesses as commercial tenants where we saw through open for just a couple of weeks and then again we were shut down and all the other issues that we're experiencing with the tensions in the economy and the political environment it has all together really really has impacted our ability to get new business and new clients, the patients, and it is made it almost impossible to do any kind of sense of stability. We have also tried to reach out to the commercial landlords but sadly, if there has been an unfortunate rate, no result. And we have tried many, many, many times over. but sadly, if there has been an unfortunate rate, no result. And we have tried many, many, many times over. So certainly that has been the attempt because we don't want to lose our lightily with all together. We are struggling and trying. So with the administration, any chance that we can please create some sort of stability for the tenants and some sort of security at the council members and honorable mayor and vice mayor. We respectfully ask for a consideration to do what the other cities have done to explain it to the subverserdee. And know that the background is not possible to be paid right away because you don't have the means and the income and the resources clearly. And unfortunately, like many restaurants, we could put their tables outside of the sidewalk and on to the streets literally. We don't have the same luxury to do the same. And so people don't feel comfortable and scared to come into commercial buildings in the commercial elevators, sit in late office and it is far worse for us than many merchants like even here for months who can't technically do that or restaurants who are doing it on a daily basis. And in some cases they actually have more tables now and the size of the street actually than they do have inside their facility, but inside their premises because of this course where this was actually in some cases, let them who are they having the street now. So, and yet they do get a lot of considerations, a lot of time and energy is focused, but commercial tenants are not, which is sad because we also are part of the tax fears, the covers, and we are the doctors and professionals that provide services, professional services to the tenants and residents and merchants off-rebely heels. So, you know, we ask about light level of consideration please, we'll all do this back. Thank you. Can you just tell us what type of industry or business are in? In medical industry. Okay. Thank you. Okay. We'll close public comment on our family data and go on to item number two of data and community security and the instant program. And if we can have a set of support on it, what will we have to offer on this item? We can do that one. We can do that. We have a board. I have to move in the afternoon. Members of the city council, I was just out having a little technical difficulties there. And so that coffee, your assistant city manager, I'll be giving you a plate on the city's assistant TV program. This was a request that was made by Council Member Bosse to have this discussion. Next slide, please. So the CCTV project began in 2005. There were sort of four phases to the project. The first phase was to build out the critical infrastructure for the project. So the server is in the cameras, et cetera. The second was rollout cameras to see areas where the crime statistics weren't the cameras. So putting them in areas where crime seemed to be taking place. The third phase was to put them in areas of Christine needs. So areas like the parks, where there were concerns for safety issues, children, families, together, that sort of thing. And then the fourth phase was for residential areas. And instantly when the project was first started, there was this sort of blue side vision that in 20, it would be a 20-year project that could result in a thousand cameras. And I think what we've seen is that in less than that time, we've rolled out more cameras than 1,000. So very robust program. Next slide, please. The first four of the CCTVTV program was to provide a complete continuous improvement over the course of time. So hours and what works. And then building on the things that you were. As you will see in the next slide, the final camera count was never established. And probably it didn't because the growth of the program has the next financial overtime. Two certain agree flexibility was in the name of the game. So the cameras, some certainly greatly subindiccly based on priority lists, based on changing needs, based on crime, you know, statistics area town. That sort of thing. Next slide, please. So I'll open to about two 2018, the number of installations average about 50 cameras per year. The program accelerated since gasoline in 2018, so you can see there was almost exponential growth over the last few years. Next slide, please. So, Council direction, then request for residential cameras actually goes back a few years. So, in January 2018, Council confirmed the direction to prioritize the residential cameras and then a little bit later in 2018, return with a plan for additional residential cameras. And it just sold two hybrid cameras that would be installed by June of this year. So this is what provides the clarity. We did install cameras last year. We installed 200 and 50 core cameras, but these would be 200 additional to that number of cameras. So everyone is out there for a second. Our last update for the city council was on January 20th, as city management's report. At that time, we indicated that the additional 200 cameras would be installed by the end of June 30th of this year. Unfortunately, staff was unable to achieve that goal. The project needed additional funding in order to roll out the additional 200 cameras. We still have brought a request to City Council earlier for the funding for them, for example, maybe in February of this year. And so, it's acknowledging the fact that this request is a chair to City Council. Next slide, please. As you'll see, the CCTV program is being brought to you as a query in the capital improvement project budget. Now, I know that item, like when it won't be heard tonight, but you'll see in the Apple Improvement Project budget that the funding is recommended at the level that is needed to roll out this 200-year camera program. I'll describe that a little bit later. So, to get to that point, Slack engaged with our budget ad hoc committee. The budget ad hoc committee is for mending that the CCTV program be funded at the $1.2 million level for this year. That will allow us to roll out the SINL 200 cameras. Next slide, please. The plan for the 200 cameras is that they would be installed in residential areas. They would include the residential edge cameras that were identified by PD following the recent civil unrest. There's a breakdown by area here, so of 251 would go in the southeast, Fort amenities, full water, et cetera. This plan meets the near term needs of the police department. I also did one of them that we are in the process of installing some of these seven cameras in Zulu of our parking garage, obviously this is not residential to see PD cameras, but we are rolling them out as we're, rather than working on the garages, we're also installing CCTV cameras in the areas as well. Next slide, please. Another area that we're working on is some of an integrated approach for camera. So some of you may have seen on RoboDrive. There's a trailer, a deployable trailer that has a number of cameras on it. So we're testing out that technology. We're exploring partnerships with private camera providers like Nest and Rain. Some other cities have had programs where they purchased rain or bells and, you know, took them out to a resident and stuff sort of thing. Integrating our wireless cameras, which are more mobile. Obviously that fixed ones is bringing in a cell phone video that can be seen into our CCTV system. Mobile cameras that are on tripod, that sort of thing, and then also the integration of the body-worn cameras with the N-car video system. That's like these. There's a couple of accessories. It can counsels aware of most of not all of these. Obviously, we were able to track down the man who perpetrated the destruction at Nassistinagar using the CCTV cameras. The cameras have facilitated violent crime arrests for sexual assault and robbery. they resisted with property parameters, so vehicle burglary, motor thefts, and then this whole concept of integrating technology video from different sources, et cetera, as support source of fire. We are, staff is available to take any questions with comments if you've received. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. And who would I select to? I don't know any public comments on the side. No, correct. And we do not have any public comment on this item. Okay. Very good. And so we're going to tell some of the embossy first, if you're requesting this, very good. So we're going to tell you a number of bossy first questions. We'll be on the other side. Thank you, dear. I'll wait my turn for my questions. I first want to say thank you to Nancy and Shanna, David. And if you also had PDs input, I thought that this report was exceptional. You did a really great job in taking us through the process, the history, and where we are now. So I appreciate the detail and the direction of where we're going. I asked to have this be put on the agenda, because this might have been a council priority, as was stated for quite a few months, quite a few years. Over the last years, so I have many residents ask me about where the cameras are on their street when they see it available on other streets and wonder why it wasn't on theirs. And we've certainly seen that it's been a positive thing to have in our community. So I appreciate mayor putting this on the agenda and I appreciate staff really putting forward a wonderful presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Kostlenberg, as well as the right to the staff report that I wanted to point out, the budget act and the consistent of my thoughts. However, it also consisted of Vice Mayor Wanderlick. I did not perform the duties of both Mayor and Vice Mayor on the budget, uh, uh, uh, the session. Uh, was that, uh, the goal of the city council member, uh, goals for, um, you know, thank you mayor. And thank you everybody for the report. I agree with council member Basi, I think that you did before. Um, the fact that we've never set, I don't know what it's actually just, but the fact that we've never set a number, uh, doesn't mean that there isn't a number. So as this thing has developed over time and now we have 1700, we'll have 1700 cameras. Is there a number that would be considered to be an appropriate number of cameras for the community of our science? So what are we headed for? So I'll start at that answer and then we have obviously other stuff that are on the go to meeting as well. So one of the concepts we talked about earlier was the concept of ubiquitous coverage and doing air quotes for wisdom. McElgad too. So the 200 cameras that we are talking about today would be for this current fiscal year. We do have a five year plan that would provide greater unit-wittest coverage. It's not an easy proposition. It's about a $14 million project, which would roll out about 900 additional cameras that would essentially put cameras at pretty much every intersection in town. It is an expensive proposition because the storage alone is enormous as you can imagine. The video files are all very large. There's a lot of licensing and that sort of thing. But that ubiquitous coverage would get us a pretty optimal coverage throughout the city. It would give us 50 lanes at least of ALPR coverage, so license plate recognition coverage. I did do the air quotes on ubiquitous because there are some areas of the city where it's very difficult to pull the cameras either because they're blocked by trees or they may not be great self-service, you know, that sort of thing. So that is a five-year plan that we had talked about previously for, you know, really outstanding coverage throughout the city. So, semantic is there an overarching strategy for this? And, is so, where in this is changing technology? Are we gonna be in a period where some of these cameras will be replaced with drones? What are we doing in terms of, we've heard that some of these cameras that we replaced with drones. What are we doing in terms of, we've heard that some of the early cameras don't have either the definition or the range that the newer cameras do. How do we make this into an online drawing? How do I sleep, Pete? How do we have a strategy that kind of keeps us going for probably ever, and a budget that kind of keeps us going for probably ever. And a budget that kind of goes with that and the ability to know that our technology is a state of the army. And we actually sat down and created that. Well, I would say yes and no. You know, I just sort of went to the ubiquitous strategy, which does have sort of defined terms as far as the number of cameras in where. Having said that, you know, obviously technology wears out over the course of time. And so some of our servers and data and all of that is gonna need to be replaced in a time. Some of the cameras are to need to be replaced in a time. Some of the cameras are going to need to be replaced. We were talking about earlier this week, you know, how does its own technology fit into this because it is so portable and maneuverable. If that's a word, you know, are there areas where that might be a much more effective strategy for a video or an additional strategy for a video? Having said all of that, I don't know, David, somewhere out there. Is there a more to that one that's effective to add to this bit? Because we did actually last year started conversation about something called the Feezen Center. I think Council may recall that. And we started to talk about what else would take. And we began exactly what you were talking about. Dr. Gold is starting a think of plans that the cameras have. This is seem to be overall finding aspects of what it is to deal. We obviously had a change of leadership in the police departments so that did not move forward, but as we move forward, the intention is to develop that plan to incorporate that goal as we can to into the program to help get smart cameras to be able to identify certain things. With weeks, it just started with the common spaces when things changed. So we will need to get back on track with that. Really, probably develop a five-year strategic plan and then just be reducing it as you point out. Yeah, and I'm okay with this particular expenditure in these cameras. I think it makes sense, but we're talking about a fair amount of money. And I, you know, gave it how many of the cameras we do consider already to be old and in need of replacement any. and how many of the cameras would you consider already to be old and in need of replaced by any? So we're anticipating about a product to see see why for these cameras and we've gotten a little bit better performance than that out of them. We're already on a second or third generation of cameras so we can have that concept of the UV system replacing the system in CPS state of the art. So that's an ongoing part of this program. Well, as it may be, so those expenses are not embedded in this one point, give million. In both the commercial, they're our elsewhere. Yeah, that's the, that's the, if send the network to those 200 cameras, that's correct. OK. David, how secure is the network? You know, we spend a lot of time and resources on making sure our network is secure. We have many, many different ways of using the fictional name, lots of components to make our network secure. So our hope is that it's a team. And our, as every one of the key in it, if it in days we've done this team in the network that they came across right on, right so for example, but amazing note goes down, it's right about when that work itself healing, that traffic continues to flow in the opposite direction. It's the level of safety, it's continues to flow in the opposite direction. It's the limit to see if those things are the limit. And what happens in a North Canada, in a blackout? I don't think they've got battery power. The thing is themselves do not have battery power. The situation that works most of those locations see that battery power. But so in an earthquake or something like that where we lose power we're going to lose most of those locations view that battery is operating. So in an earthquake or something like that, where we lose power, we're going to lose the camera. If we, if for a total, yes, electricity required electricity and we don't have battery backup on all of those in the case of Suspere, and is it something we could do or can't do or do expensive to do? Or we certainly can do that. It's questions of each person how long they want out to be available in the outages of one hour to one hour, four hours, four hours, whatever the case will be. Those questions need to be addressed. For most of the network is valid out already. It's happy endpoints. The endpoints that are out in the residential area, specifically, I'm referring to, you're not not valid about it. But the cameras that are on buildings and are in the streets is thinking about valid about it. Well, if it were possible, I would certainly like to see some sort of battery backup. It's usually a vulnerability to be able to turn off the electricity and have the channels with that. Women, just on many levels. And Dr. Goldice had point out that many of these cameras are because of their nascent normal cases, are solar power because there is no electricity there, so those are people consuming to other. And we had that question, I was glad you had that. We had this question raised probably six months ago over a camera in an alley that was solar powered, and some question of would it actually make it through the night? I mean, do it generate enough storage that the camera would, when it's at it? I think some of the residents were told that it couldn't, that it was going to run out of juice and it would stop or stop. Right, so as you might think technology is evolving and we're trying to say I'm really into it, the cameras that we have now can we know through several cloudy days, and still, still function so good. You know, they certainly can make it even though, you know, the indicators, if you know, we've got cloudy days, and still operate. Okay. Part of the recent set of conversation, George, and something I certainly wouldn't cite of some AI technologies that would continuously monitor these cameras. I know that there's no human being who's continuously monitoring them today, but to the extent that we consider there are some existing technologies. I know there are some emergent technologies. I think we should be at the front of that as we think about the shooting center and really make use of these cameras. So I would out of that to see if I could consider that. What is our return to with the video? How long? We received it for 15 months. So the department is in here and of a new straight-up document. And that true video that witness, either crying it's passed to your particular case, presumably in the records management system, as part of that promo case. And key for key, have we tested that? Is that work in Rubat's three years? Will you find that piece of video in our records system? record system. If the big bullet evidence in a court case, yes, that's what the book in is evidence. We know that that system works. Oh, I personally don't, but maybe it won't. Yeah, Dr. Bob Lee has to be downloaded on this same type of TV phone drive. Another envelope that allows you to see that through the whole original case of the case. Okay, so we know that we have a permanent record of those events. are these videos subject to public records for questions? Yes, they are. So if a member of the public had initially with their neighbor, they would be able to take this presumably if the video showed something, they would be able to get a copy of that. And it's assuming you know, if you think this information verbally, it's allowed to release how many personal information I understand in my pad. But it isn't a public record. It falls off the 13th month. I believe so, yes. Okay. Okay. Well, nice work. I'm okay with this. I really would like us to, would like us to see us develop a strong strategy for what we do going forward if we're going to spend this kind of money. I'm a big fan of the Scuse & Center, so I'd love to see us do that. And I'm okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. And I'm OK. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm going to have a little more bossy. Each of you, so could you walk a walk a certain time line of what to expect? So it's too much. So it's too much. So it's too much. So it's too much. So it's too much. It's an out-of-the-report indicator. So the 200 cameras will be in the end of the year. I think you know what this CIP budget is probably going to be, of course, also me. So what I would like to say is that it's in anywhere in 2021. So the way that's at this point is that you can. So I recognize that the NP budget is not going to be happening in the future. But by putting off this part of it, I believe that all my colleagues, this is more sensitive to the data part yet, by putting it off two weeks, what more to impact how we have in those numbers, because it's a significant impact I on wondering if there's a way so that we can move on this part of so we'll move more time in terms of cameras. Will you're kind of fading in and out there, I'm not sure why, but your audio is a little funky. Can we, one new, their microphones if they're not speaking, is that's probably causing that. Okay, so did you hear my question? Let me ask you again. I believe I heard you question. I am very honest with you. I hear March better by the way. Thank you. I'm going to ask David or John for response in that one. What will be the impact of the TWA and the LSTFE? David or Drone 3D response in that one. What will the impact of the TWA and the STFB budget be through the timeline on the project? If it's kind of a significant delay, then we try to approve a portion of the funds related to this film. So any variance that you give in time would be helpful. From the components of the wheat work with, which is an ordering high price, if you could put them to our market pieces that make this work, which you could have about 30 to 60 day time print from one of the vendors it's the purchase order. So if you can get it, it's up on that, that will certainly help. In terms of the installation, somebody has some insight input into that. But based on the power stations that we have, if they have the equipment and all the power stations in that family, then the time things would be able to do that. So, Sean, if we wait two weeks to vote for this, is that going to essentially put us out? Did you wait for longer? Yes, we did. We have these two weeks to the schedule. As we did, it's really about when we have equipment. So we can install, we have contact, the real contractor, and waste. And we have our field crews in place. So that's not, we don't have to get the, um, the problem, the mission file is here, we'll just have to have the equipment available until they're only trying for all of that as well as programming. So if we were able to approve this portion this evening, would we then assume that we could get this done this year, 2020, by the end of December? Yes. Yes. I know where it's looking at somebody as the weather and we can extract this one piece. It is always on the agenda. Right. And obviously, I don't know how my colleagues feel about it, but I think this is something that is urgent and in a huge priority. So, if it is something that we are able to do and my colleagues supported, I would like to at least vote on this item this evening just so we can really try to get this all done by the end of the year. My feeling is the next number of months, potentially, you know, and this is something that I know is, you know, our community was hoping would be done by now, so this year we can get this done the better. So this evening we're allowed to, I would like to put that on the table. So let me just ask George and Larry, why do we have to take a formal vote? Why can't you take it his direction and we'll vote on it while we vote on it? I mean in the worst case the money is fundable, it tonight, whether we can do that, whether we can actually take a rest along this, I would have to research that, I'd have to see whether we had the rest for previously, I guess we probably did. Well, we had the rest of the big cameras, but, you know, part of what Nancy had said as well when we had less talk about this, at least I didn't know that there was extra funding that was required. So regardless, I clearly support this and would become able comfortable voting this evening and say, so from, you know, as one person, I personally speaking, I would like to find a way to give a yes so we can move forward with this. So however Larry, you find that we can do it. You know, I would like to propose that. So my next question is, a evening, there is support to move forward, I guess the sister you gave it, the slide showed there were numerous areas that are being proposed throughout the city, which is wonderful. And I know we're talking about 200 cameras. What can we, and this is back to timeline, where now August 4th assuming you get support today? What is the residence and the council expect to see, you know, 10 cameras a month, XMI? You know, what can, this is a reasonable expectation for us to be seeing the next number of months. I think once all of the components are here and available, which we can't take up to 60 days, it's certainly not as much as possible. You would see a regular, the regular study of finance and some of the projects is completed. So however many months that is, you know, just need to do the math and divide it. Family linear, deserves of time, producer points. So for the first few months of the very little activity, visible to the residents to the public, within their opinion to see are out of the states for the public. Perfect. And is the plan to somewhat fill out the better words, spread out the love, you know, so there are some areas right now based on when I walk the city that don't seem to have any cameras and other areas that seem to have quite a bit. This is the goal to start to put it in different areas, but we don't have these pockets of areas that don't have cameras as empty and corrupt. Most roughly, we've assigned indicated which areas the cameras are going in and each area of the city is represented. And as was mentioned on the slide, we're working from the macro down to the micro. And so we're just going into areas where there are not cameras, and that goes throughout the city. So if not one area of the city is being created or are on the left, then it's a problem. So I think this question is free. Part of the direction of the council at the time when we were talking about this actually with PV a number of months ago was signage. We really wanted to have a lot of signage in the city for the bad guys to know that you're being watched. As I walk, I don't see that much signage. Where are we on having more signage to the effect that they're cameras in your being watched? I believe a few things we signed throughout the media include parking garages, all the logistics, to see certain things in through a major, the incident can see residential areas to route how we can continue to evaluate where additional science fell. I know we'll pretty have invisible science as a route. I'm a number of items for the BZ Council wants to promote. So we can look at where else that they may also prevent, but there's about 130 sites already out in the community. But the goal is to add more of misdemean. If you have a bad, people who are still going to see that, I don't know if he can continue to evaluate and work in public as a team. Okay, thank you. Question for the chief. We heard recently that some of the crime that seems to happen happens through the alley. Is there any proposal or recommendation to put cameras in terms of the axis of the alleys? Yeah, I'll let Mark handle that. He's the one that set up the list of priorities for the 200 camera. Mark. Yes, so Councilmember Bosnian gives us a yes. We actually do have some as some of the alle allies already, but for the long run, actually really the short-term plan as well, as well as the long-term plan is to do some of the realities that we based on are crime, the data group and police and model, where we see even the crime where the short-rate occurs, those will get first priority. Okay. And my last question was something that was in the slide, which is the partnership between the ring and the mess, and another reality that we're seeing is when there is a crime that happens, all the neighbors start looking at their own cameras and their own ring cameras. And they share it with PD and you work together with them. How do you see a partnership moving forward with the type of companies like Ring and Nest? Well, we've mostly been just looking at, there's there have been a couple of other successful programs. I believe Rancho Palace Ferdes has a program like this as well as Lockingatta where the city invested in a certain number of ringerest families, and they share them with residents. Actually, Ms. Yap, if you are comfortable speaking about that, I know that you work on a project like that. I am here, you know. Everyone here, you are. And yes, I was with the BC Rancher Forest Pulsaries, and we did implement a new program, which was a partnership with Ring, Camarice Systems, and what the city did was we negotiated a sub-city or a discount by Ring, as well as a city-keyed and additional incentive or subsidy to the residents to incentivize them to purchase these products. And what it was was to you, is that I think to you at your risk that the ones that they would have control over not necessarily the police department would be controlling. And through that, they would share a footage of the police department if there was a suspicious activity. The other thing that was very helpful was that they would share a footage amongst each other. Like through next door was very big, Cambridge Palsty, and then we would also use reports from these apartments that you notify residents in a certain geographic area, something happened that way they could. You know, in the look out there is something happening because you often can't become that cramped happening. Within the three weeks after something major because you often can't become that cramped happen. Within the three weeks after something major happens, it's very likely that within the next two weeks something else in the area would happen. But how it would work with the reading and it's actually been replicated in a lot of other diseases. You would negotiate with them for discount and you'd enter into a contract with them for an option amount of however many incentives want to offer if you want into offering incentive. I'm there willing to partner with cities with just to be their discount, but we wanted to add you an additional, say, you know, because it was a totally brand new program, we were just trying to sell it. And I still can't really successfully brought our primates down by yielding to a healthy, brith at EOPRs and the green and everything by late 50% for residential work worries. That's right. Chief, do you have any thoughts on this? Is that just something that you feel that we should be exploring? I can't imagine the better way of spending money at them to increase and maintain the CCPV system that the city has is invaluable. We saw on a weekly basis, if not on a daily basis, with our cost-work at PV system. I recall when I was here five years ago, we solved the vehicular manslaughter case that would have never been solved and been great police work combined with the technology from the CCTV system. So I think all the point for so far from all the council people in the mayor. I fully support the use of this money and other money to increase the system. It is invaluable. Okay, thank you. So I would just like mayor when you're looking to hear from all of my colleagues if they would be interested in voting for this particular item this evening so we can move it forward. And I also would ask that we just further analysis and look at the partnership with Ring and Miss for our city because for my experience and I see it daily on these different chats that I'm on with residents, they're constantly sharing their ring and they're working together and I know they're working with KB. And as you know Gabrielle said, there was clearly some positive changes in terms of crime so I think it's definitely worth exploring very aggressively. Thank you. Okay thank you and I'm just going to, if I might just ask all the questions, but the right-hand acquired previously about a mobile camera unit that we have, or a specific, how many of those will we have? Yeah, we currently have one. We first have one in 2017. It's still on the parkway behind the park for a while. And the bottom line is that the pointed along the parkway, almost of our vehicle burglaries from about 10 a week to zero. And currently it's deployed along rodeo drive. Because if it was an awful accident, and it can't see it for another few of those, if it please depart, it would be better to say that the fuel is especially like a current events and it sees the further things at the end of the year. If we go ahead and discuss that at the same time, we may be an estimate of about, one of those probably about $100,000 dollars each. Right, a couple years ago, all in, it was about $100,000 a week. A couple years ago, all in, it was about 90,000. But if anybody wants to come, I know that along the way also, I think that's something that we should consider. Can we go to the hospital room there? Thank you. I would be very remodeling this forward. Steve was the case he referred to in the tragic hidden run on Crescent Drive. I believe it was the SSPEX came out of one of the hotels and they triangle. It was five years ago. I can't remember which street it was on. But it was just terrific police work combined with technology that followed that. Yeah. So I would be in support of the issue of looking at that up the camera. So I'd be in support of the standing as to the allies to reduce crime that comes from the ally. What is the issue of all our safe farmers and civil security and ability to impact into the site? How would we protect ourselves against that? As I mentioned, we have a way of security approach with lots of different fuels and our disposal to prevent significant effects in the level of means of accessing the network. So we have a pretty robust network security program. Okay. You know, Councilmember Balci asked about where the early question is, what is the kind of coverage I know we don't want to necessarily reveal where all our cameras are, but are there parts of the state that don't get the correct number of numbers now that other parts deal? How can we make sure that we get to an equitable level? One incident, in a way that we expect to have full copper, although the council is made of clear heat. From the very beginning, we want to cover the entire city. When will that be completed? So all of the A's in the city are covered. It's no particular bar of ski, the bar of geographic area. This is not what I'm going to say. In terms of the, the biggest coverage that the Gantz is focused, we have a five-year plan for that, but it can be shortened. It's just a matter of a tiny copy of budgets and a plan plan with the council wants to work with. On top of it, how quickly did it happen? with the Council wants to work with on South Africa. How quickly did it happen? Well, we have a few years, five, four years, five years, five years, you know, again, you know, it's just depends on how much and how many we want to do it. But as George was mentioning, it's probably part of the floor of the last refining activity. So, to make sure that we're getting good level to be perfect results and things that you're not going to be good results. Those things are probably not worth it. Well, obviously, you know, this has been something that the council has wanted to focus on. I'd like for us to get this done as soon as possible. And I do agree as said that it's going to be a sort of switch between the Mimilus coverage and that that actually could be a strategy for people to do something that needs to be that ability to continue it. Use the system no matter what and so on, on the support page. I think the voice normal note. I'm also in support for Mayor and I were on the liaison for the at-hoc and we had recommended that this being included in the CIPs. So obviously we've been supportive of including it. If somebody were contemplating all the parameters at this point, if there anything that they should know or think about to consider that we'd be able to be able to integrate it with a system that we integrate with the police? You know, are there certain systems that would not? Is there any advice that you could give to somebody who's not complaining about a new camera system for their home? Or all the systems automatically have to think that the ability being integrated so it's not really a concern. Well, I'll speak out since there will be else to speak out. At my home, I have both a RAIN and a NEST system. One of the things that's important is you need to subscribe to the service, so that it stays in the gate a little bit. I think that's an important piece of advice, because otherwise, you're just able to answer the door and act on that thing. So you know, it can be capability of seeing the tape. And with our the bi-jorn camera system, part of that whole technology with Axon, the company that we contract with, it becomes very simple to think and flip of what you'd like to do in just simply email at the police department and it integrates students in their crime system. I think the police are here and they can talk more about that time and that work. But I think it's a little thing when we do a program or something, implement that, if this will have to recommend those old things to people or a way of it so that they're making it's a great enough system as you point out. And then Bob, just for my own personal homework, I did a lot of work around this. I will tell you that I think today the Nest camera just has a better picture. It's a higher definition and seems to be the choice. Ring was the first out there, but that's just mine. I, by the way, have no stock any of the one on them. All those fall print disframers, but if somebody did a little homework on the subject, I would tell you to look at the mess camera. And what does that, you've been quite as coverage-meaned? Would that mean that literally every single street in the city would be viewed by video cameras so somebody walking in the street, somebody driving in the street, looking factory by video camera? So nice and easy. The message is, and of course, basically, is an app called surround ubiquitous. But effectively, what it means is a couple of cameras, think of it as a couple of cameras up of the intersection of the city throughout the city, in any intersection. So, that feels to the outline of the cameras and digital cameras. Yeah, I mean, there are some studies around the world is not the same as the system. So, the problem is that the system is not the same as the system. So, the problem is that the system is not the same as the system. So, the problem is that the system is not the same as the system. So, the problem is that the system is not the same as the system. So, the problem is that the system is not the same as the system. So, the problem is that the system is not the same and the hour that we're right now. Yeah, I would argue that our system is on par with Amy, system in the world. London has a lot of cameras. For a lot of the cameras at point of the end, the police need to travel to that camera down on the data and take it back. But in terms of per capita cameras, we certainly are leading the pack. And so I think it will be an assistant that we're incredibly proud of. And second to none. Great, right. I think I should put this. Okay. Thank you. And I want to get back to the point I had raised with the police department. These people need to have another one or two of those mobile units would be, they should make it for a smaller fire in terms of areas that need to be covered. Yes, I think the trailer has been invaluable in the past and we get the, I think we always have more need than we have resources so whether we use it in residential areas when we're having a frequency of residential burglaries to the business district in the tribal. Like we're using it now. We could always use another one or two trailers. Mark getting that. The chief's idea we had is we used them a lot during this festival events as well with the big three, the Golden Loads, the Marathon and any big event that we have, any presidential or dignitaries. It's just a lot of use of them and we're quite honestly fighting for their trailer more than we need to do so in extra up to would be really, really helpful. I don't believe that our budget for CCTV includes any additional trailers with that correct. I'm seeing heads nodding. So we would want to consider how to have fun. That would be outside of the funding that's included in the CIP budget just so you're aware. That's what I wanted to give to you guys, so my call is because I would support a 1.5 bit or another 200,000 dollars. I think that this is a need that we will have for the end of this year for a variety of reasons. And I think it's important that we can get on Lyonsist's Hospital. It would be appropriate. The only need to be get on, at least for our county days, and you get from that federal camera. We get a 360 degree view. We do not have a care a 360 degree camera on there, with what's under our enter-up zoom cameras because there's always something of interest that's moving in that specifically. And so there's four 360 cameras on these and they also have other uses on them. Also, it's got a police department. It's not just cameras, it also will be a little nationwide or something like that. The answer is yes, and they can even be able to send it on this, I believe. We can also put the L, the other is honored. Is that correct? That's correct. How's the room both? Thank you. So of course I would support it. I just had a question for maybe or gave it whoever wants to answer it. If we're going to put in that $200,000 towards more camera security, what would give you, and I guess this is probably more for the chief, more of what you need? Would you rather have the 200,000 to go to these two stationary, I don't know what you would call them, camera poles, or would you rather have the 200,000 go to more cameras that would be ahead of the schedule instead of doing, I guess, saving how many cameras would 200,000 buy us? Let me get that coffee later. I can do that very quickly. That number is roughly 33. How many cameras is that? Okay, so I can ask my question for your change. What would be more in terms of providing security? What would you prefer to have? Well, I think on a short term, the trailers allow us more flexibility until we get this whole system built out in another 5 years. So I think the trailers on a short term give us more flexibility to put them in need of. Just wanted to make some. So would that be in San Mara? I was supportive. I was just asking for a fine request. Because I understand your askin about fine lines and such. What is the leading time to get one or two trailers? Is it less than six months or is it greater than six months? What is the lean from taxigate one or two trailers? Is it less than six months or is it greater than six months? I don't know. It needs to be upgraded. Yeah, it needs to be upgraded. So, Sean, I don't know if you know that. We purchased the system, but then it needs to be. I don't have that answer. Three days later. it's not. It's not a lot. It's not a lot. It's that we created it. The major aspect of what the mayor is concerned about, because I think the goal, and I can tell you I don't want to put words in your mouth, Mayor, but having heard what you said, I can hear goalists to try and get this done this year. So, you know, to speak to what George is saying, I'm not sure that that will happen. So, I'm not either, before I may put it, we can pull that force, you know, that it has been enhanced over to Lisa now. If we can get that information within two weeks. Yes, that would be my recommendation. Why don't we plug forward the seating if everybody's in agreement and move forward with what we're doing now. And in two weeks we can bring back information and a request for processing this equipment and appropriation. It's all worked out. And then we'll let you know how long it's going to take. for purchasing this equipment and appropriation is that all works out. And then we'll let you know how long it's going to take. And you know, you can rent this equipment also. So that isn't often, it's not going to be necessary to fact out the way that we're looking for, but we can have something here quickly if we, if the rental equipment is acceptable to us. And I was going to ask the suggests or it's that we price that out because until we have our own, you would be helpful to know that we add these especially in the right to the election. We're not talking about six months and maybe talking about three. And what would it take in order for us to have something to help us through that time period while we get our own built? I think if you came back with a cost from that also, but that would be helpful. Yeah, you got it. Okay, so with that, I'm in agreement also with the suggested or my full account for the numbers, it does a slaying off of this file. So I think without consensus on the fact that anonymity and burial get back for us is to a proper way to get our comp of that, right? We don't need to do anything. We can just take it up. When this agenda item comes up tonight and just pull this item out and approve that. Okay. will move on. So item number three, the annual audit work plan for the system year, 2020-21 from our state auditor and the board of an Islamic State. Hi, good afternoon, my members of the City Council, Eduardo Luno, City Auditor. I'm here to present the results of a radio out of work plan, this is a way to be able to work for a year. Next slide. Thank you. There's got to be a lot of years ago we developed the radio out of work plan, the daddy, the woman thought it, you have to be a good way to see, including the cost in innovation for. In mid-March, the COVID-19 pandemic, we typically suspended on it that had not been completed but the time. This included the audit of the beginning of the New York St. Asset, which is subsequent relation to June. The member of the most common business worldwide, which is suspended and recently started to June. The member of the most common business worldwide, which is suspended and recently started in June. Basically, we've got both writing pay. And there are two audits that we had now started about which included the city of Catechol, vehicle, and the real drive to the island. Nice slide. Thank you. In terms of our resources, we've simply been through a few years of office And this is a buyer for resources. For this particular year, the Office is always out of two principal foreign partners. I'd like to know that one principal foreign partner is a scientific European working on this country and making the best planning. This is a sign that the offer is available to both final foreign partners. And just given the city a little current budget situation, all awkward, expected to be formed in-house, and we have no plans to hire any external auditor to consult with city reward. Just given the situation, given this, I don't know very much, so the clue is to proposing a signal for that to get through fiscal year and then that goes for a turn back. They did fiscal year, we did fiscal situation and to present a bit of work back over the major fiscal year. Next slide please. On July 7th, we may have had a lot of predispositing based on the meeting where we went over the list of a control audit public. I excluded an input from members of the state council, city management, another so we had compiled those financial concerns a lot of what we could indicate. Based on the review, that list, the liaison is recommended that we pay three buckets to consider personally being operational efficiency. It's likely we got it to see if we could, if the city's doing these services in the most cost-efficient area, possibly to just tell working, perhaps the end of the base budget. The second bucket was high dollar exposure. This was looking at potentially the appropriate services and programs projects with higher dollar expenditures in terms of the outcomes of our work via testing. Finally, the third bucket reading looked at or was supposed to be a sheet in portion. For the in-person at first along city regulations such as token financial for perhaps capital enforcement. So based on the decision to focus on three areas, we're proposing to, excuse me. We are proposing to look at three areas based on both. The first areas we consider to be a bit innovation or operational efficiency, here our eye objectives will be to assess and to see its properly positioned for adapting to the current changing conditions of the rate of residents, making it a conduct business, and evolve around the vastness of the quality and the quality of the public in services. Here what we want to review is analyzing the city's public program including the policies that get established, costs and savings, corporate productivity, and technological capacity. The second component of that includes identifying services that have a campaign for the long-wind over low-to-barban, for service delivery. And if those services that happen, you go by assessing success and artists from previewing. And finally, this also includes best parking of the city, the very part, this will elevate up the approach to the creative start setting, creating the city's credit. The next high post. The second bottom we wanna do is look at the potential proceedings for the high dollar or its financial categories. Here are objectives for being the data-kind of high dollar expenditure categories that could be resulted in reduced potential cost savings to the city. Participators with the view with the case fund and specific auditor risks assessment in consulting with finance and policy management team, which is electing and reviewing our high dollars in the category. And I kind of identify the purpose of these literature, and we also assess the use of that contract potential cost savings. And finally, the third type of my side, please. This issue of enforcing, here will propose the complete enforcing. We want to see if the city's Catholic safety program is effective and it will enforce the oversight of public safety. Here are the various reviews through the three transit stations for different areas. Two, we've reached out to them various review through the three trans citations for different variant. Two of these staff have been in account of the proportion of activities. Three of the three incidents, eight of the reports for a given query to identify hybrid stereotypes. This side brings. And also just to my account, so we also have Dr. Anandra County, which includes a long period across the innovationup with proper activity, research, innovative suggestions, and create follow-up past auto-reconciliation. This supports my presentation and asks for the mayor's and the health of their deal for why the district direction from the annual auto-workout to the community, hopefully. Okay, thank you. And, do we have any phone calls for enough? We don't have any phone calls, though, we do have one public print comment, either just go ahead. Okay, this comment comes from Mark Elliott. Regarding the auditory work plan, I support every view of the city's practices with regards to operational efficiency. A city has long implemented a traffic demand management program which allows some staff to work from home every other Friday. Has that limited program ever been reviewed for efficiency or effectiveness? Now teleworking raises a host of additional questions about productivity, staffing, and service delivery to the public. This seemed to be an opportunity time for a systematic review of the procedures and practices our city has been has put in place with some haste due to COVID-19. So I think fully support a review of city enforcement in two areas, code enforcement and traffic enforcement. Code enforcement. Two years ago, council learned the result of the code enforcement management review, much needed improving. Then earlier this year, council received an update, but it was not a detailed and no comprehensive. We learned nothing substantive about enforcement after implementing the management study recommendations. Here the autocorrelation will be helpful. Traffic enforcement. I believe city council and the public will benefit from a review of the police department's enforcement of traffic laws if only because we know nothing about the department's priorities. Shouldn't we? Coincident with a steady and considerable rise in crash injuries is a precipitous defined enforcement. In June, just a single citation was issued for speeding a 12 year low. Our traffic law is simply a low priority for the department. Month after month, our traffic and parking commissioners ask the right questions, but the departments go for a monthly report, frustrates their efforts to discharge their responsibility, which is to oversee general traffic conditions. A familiar recitation of the department excuses is no substitute for substantive discussion about enforcement, and audit or review could identify department priorities and suggest opportunities to make enforcement more effective. Missy, I'll give you a comment. Okay, thank you. We'll go to the public liaison to this man? With my soul and by this mayor, what other? That's what I thought. So I think it would be helpful to hear from you both first if you don't mind. Cool. Oh, last name. Thank you. So I don't have any the establishment of our audit office. And you know, we have staff the office. We've got the work for a couple of audits. And I think this is an opportunity time now to start to take on projects that can illustrate the breadth of what the office can do and first begin to more reap the benefits of what the office can do. And I think that was our thinking in trying to lay out three categories, three areas in which the office who focus is to be for a six-month plan. There are always more potential areas that when you think about the audit than you can absolutely accomplish, you have to take particular things to start with. But with that in mind, we do pick the three general categories of operational licensing, something associated with large-dollar exposures, and something in which we're evaluating performance with a performance is measuring in terms of monitoring. The performance, for example, could be any enforcement, would be a good example of that. Of arrow-we going in terms of enforcing fast. You know, then some other considerations that came with the violence involved. Because a variety of things have changed because of the pandemic. We don't want to be part of the accepting in the past that we might not continue into the future. So that was part of the museum for developing the thought of trying to take advantage of the changes that have come about trying to take whatever good we can take from the way that we changed operations during the pandemic to see if they're operating these day after operational efficiencies going into the future. So that was one of the areas in which we agreed to recommend. I think the large dollar value amount which could be determined in the sense that we don't get know precisely what particular large dollar exposure really is being investigated. And then the last one in terms of enforcement, Mark Elliott mentioned two potential areas. Again, just to be interested in focus, he can't do everything at once. But I can track the enforcement would be a very good area. It's the time of an unusual time for many many reasons. One reason is the lesson traffic, but we also see with the less traffic, I think personally, anecdotally, that some of the traffic is out of control. We see an increase in speeding. I think at the exact number now, less month, there was an incredible number of pedestrian fatalities in LA traffic. This is a problem that goes beyond just barely hills. And I think traffic enforcement would be a good area for the focus on to see what can we be doing, how have we been doing and what can we be doing to improve on traffic enforcement to make our streets safer. And I think statistically if you look at the statistics over the last few years, I think traffic enforcement has been down. So what was that and what was that proper? You know, would it be a different way so we should be handling that? So I think in order to be an object that can force the practices in the office, something they could be doing going. Okay, so does our briefness, basically what we did right the time into the three categories. I'm constantly doing an all in an area where there has been a severe impact because of the best. The civil unrest events have occurred and you use our resources. I don't think we're going to get a good teacher of what's been going on. We go into one of those areas for all at this point in time. Obviously all three areas that is critical efficiency and enforcement and the high dollar of services always been impacted I think it's really important that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think that I think So, I will go to the counseling member. So, thank you. Eduardo, how do you feel since March? Nobody has been in the office. How have you conducted audit work since March? Do you have access to the city records and files and all that stuff? We do. We do. In the first part of the pandemic, we will redirect the redeployment of our audit fee sources. We have to stick it all on and look all together. We have today, if the EU continues to get signed to the USA working on business continuity, we've been adding myself. We will work in researching potential grant opportunities for the state, introducing why this is so important in managing our calls to say, in addition to that, it's still a infini, enhancing the causal coming to the trust innovation portal. It just, we've visited, we didn't have the ability in this room, to directly engage with the department to staff they were focused on, providing the critical services to the state, for example, in large, we're ready to issue the real estate audit report, who will immediately respond to it. There are a lot of people that need to focus on establishing our way to the operating center. So we couldn't really engage. We had a part of being also in June. We started doing our company to reconvene for other working people suborath today. So something like the CDB report, it sounds like it's just not been written. There's some reason it couldn't be written. It was stated that the CDB had been almost the staff. We convinced that product, the field work is done, and we are actually processing the data out of the form. So we picked it up and hopefully be able to consider the drop report to initially by the end of this time. So if I understand you correctly, as of right now, you are back to full stat. Correct. Were these sets in the scenario you were deciding about 40% of the time to other activity? So that's three auditors for a year minus 40% of one. Correct. minus 40% of one. So in a normal course, what does that translate into and the number of audits? If you had an average out on audit, how many audits should we expect for that in five and a half people? Five and a half. Three and a half people. Two and a half people. about the number of people that are in the state of the public. So, I think that's the only thing that's going to happen is that the public is going to be able to get the public to the public. And it really depends on why once you begin your audit, I'm just so about the audit, you can be covering the disillusioned or the up difficulty of getting your access system information that could be related to typically, we're working at four months for final for personal. Four months in file for person. Four months, you'll write for person. Okay. Okay. Okay. And so your staff has not other than EEOCPC. He's not been doing other work in the city. He just been doing auto work in this time. We have, in the spring time, we have done two research, the question, but iton, dental grants. We would say, yeah, we were working at, from the care spending, we were working in, we were working in information savings, so, well, it's a callback to dental grants and we were training at the museum. Okay. So that's more an obvacity in management category than in our entire network. So philosophically, I don't have a problem with your three very broad categories. I have a little bit of an issue with some of what's underneath that. So for instance, the first business is about operational efficiency and working from home. So this is a moment in time. Why does it make any sense? And why do we care about what the current operational efficiency working from home is? If we know that in six months or three months or whatever, it's going to go away. Why spend any time looking at that? So right now, you know, go back and further watch, you know, we will provide services to staff as well. The pandemic occurred and people will read the code, see the work model as best possible. As this organization has a field, we can stand in. The service is fair. I've moved all by it may continue to be able to stand down. The third services that have moved all of our it may continue to be provided to that man. It is said they find that scrap maybe worked in the local market here to find. And obviously it's before the funding over the effective. And I think if we have a large portion of work of work is about to be the tools to be truly effective. And for the edge of the public, how do we know you all receive that work to be so that you're getting the greatest part of the code? For me, it's kind of realizing we're normal here. And there may be a benefit to the city of Longfair and the state of this, from, I'll be stopping it, course, or it's going to work for it, operating in this county. Well, if you were to say, if what you're saying to me, and maybe we're saying the same thing, I just don't understand, is that you're going to produce a report that discusses in the summary benchmarks, or gives the city a direction for what the most efficient work at home process will be based on our city infrastructure going forward. Plus a minus abandonment. I can see an ongoing value in that kind of exercise. But as you were to tell me that last week we were very inefficient with people working from home. I'm going to say, okay, well we can do that that. So unless there's a product here that really provides for us at PATH for some form of performance improvements, some sort of benchmark, I don't know, I'm having a hard time seeing the value in that. So, so just an audit for audit, say, I personally feel this would be much more forward thinking. And if anything should perhaps provide a path forward, this is something we want to continue. Dr. Goh, I really think it can put this thing into full working product and we're talking in the beginning. Okay, good. The second piece of that, I value, I guess I'm going to ask the question, obviously I'm going to figure out which thing we're talking about, but it's clear that we're paying more of the stuff now than we did before. Right, even big stuff, little stuff and big stuff. And sanitizer went from three to twelve dollars a bottle, you know. So, it depends, and that's not a big ticket item, unless you buy a ton of it. So again, I think that if we're going to look for a high value project, it has to be something that exists beyond the world of COVID. Something that it came before and will exist after where, again, you can demonstrate a benefit for how we should or should not spend money. So I just encourage that just because this is such a strange time and the cost of things has been lopsided. I don't know how you're going to choose the project but I would really hope it would be a project that again was something that would inform going forward after the world of COVID. I guess I have sort of a similar sort of thing about traffic enforcement. Now we talked about traffic enforcement a lot. And if you're going to audit what it was before COVID and tell us what we can do to improve that after COVID, I think that's nothing but I think the traffic patterns are different now. And as the vice-seyer said, you know, we had less traffic but more speeding. You know, I don't know that that's apples to apples. So again, I hope that the product is one that really to the extent that you can insulate the work you're doing, I suppose, from the COVID impact and look to a time when our operations return more closely to normal so that your work will be beneficial in that time frame. I would hope that that would be the direction that you would take. I think as far as I'm concerned, this piece of time is a Trump who'd like to cut out of our lives and not really have to dwell on or Certainly not may Propose us for the future based on what it exists today no in two years If we're still living with COVID like this. I guess I will have been wrong And maybe we should have adjusted our lives to a world with significant COVID, but that adjusted our lives to a world with significant COVID, but I'm cautiously optimistic that that won't be so. So for my two bits, I'm finally the areas I would just like to see us be kind of ahead of this and looking at stuff that will be beyond the time of COVID. I'm generally supportive of the work plan, otherwise plan otherwise it's a safe place. Thank you. And also, thank you. So, Eduardo, in some of the misbehaving decisions, I see what's the study and look at how much did you factor in COVID to pick these three items? to be mainstreamed. In developing over our key lessons, about how to make a potential audience to be considered, it was a big city, not a city. When we visit our report to the liaison, we had a real good both the sessions about focusing on strictly COVID or non-COVID-COVID-COVID. I'm sorry, but that this foot plan is probably our best effort to have a post-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-COVID-CO But if you look at this as a course rate and position for cost saving, that's, um, doesn't make any difference with straight-over-imposed statement, at least we're in. With regards to potential proceedings, we'll be working with city management to get a specific contract that they have to trust with, that they will buy this to review. That, you know, it's on the state, it's still a mission. So this is a six-month audit, correct? The system will work for the next six months, and it's just calendar year. We'll come back at the end of the year, the calendar year, and we assess the situation and see where we're at as an organization of the community. Let's see what's important to everyone, you know, this is working with the area today. You know, we need to continue on or we're good. So I don't want to propose to commit a flu activity for the major coal mines to not be relevant, you know, we've been to more. So the fire department is trying to be agile, flexible. So in looking at these three in terms of hearing, is the goal to come back to council in six months or scenario if you would have the information prior with a report with analysis on these three? That is correct. This is my goal to successfully put this work by the annual calendar year. At the end of the year, early in the day, 2021, we challenge the art committee and work with them to get a lot of projects and we're going back to this scale for the social direction. So in terms of giving the art to the audit and the analysis are going back to COVID, are you looking at the timeframe of COVID or are you looking beyond that or are you looking of practices prior to March in order to give us an understanding? What's going to be your window in the lens of the report? Is it COVID world or is it COVID world in addition to free COVID world? Just an understanding. So I think with regards to the teleworking, we're looking at today and how post-poder could still be in fact with you. Well, I guess what you said, because talking about the future, we actually have a past where we know how City Hall was operating up until large, prior to large. So are you looking at that to determine how assistant were we prior to large versus what West COVID hit? So you actually do have something to look at. So some of that included in the report in terms of the time period, I don't have anything specific to yet, because the actual item stuff that will be sold over that into the post decree. So, you can tell the work that was an example in terms of making that analysis. I think there's the element of the city hall staff and who are working from home and how they're able to do their job. But are you able to and are you looking to also look towards whether it's residents or businesses who have interfaced with City Hall during this time to get a full picture on their experience. Because, you know, there's the other side to it. It's, you know, how we think we're doing, working telework wise. But, you know, equally, if not more important is the user experience on the other side of the residents of the businesses to see how they feel about having to work with the city hall through the telecommunication to serve as a part of your analysis. That is true. Okay, so we're a good part of me. It is to me, that's why I'm asking. And in terms of the higher dollar exposure that you're pulling out, can you just throw out some examples, again, not necessarily what you're looking at, but just some, you know, substantial examples of what you would be looking at. What would be considered something that would make sense for you now, time wise to look at the higher dollar expenditure? One way to come to mind is to throw off a problem as a little oracle of baby. It could be a close credit card contractual our dollar purchases to your guy, it also could be upgraded with their credit vendors for wrongs, possibly for the third or fifth or third. And what motivates you, in a game other than this question is for you or if it's for the liaison, whoever wants to answer it, is the reason why that is being looked at and being proposed to be looked at because of the fact that we are in COVID times and our budget was hit. So significantly that we're looking at best practices of spending money forward. Is that why that was chosen? Do you want to answer that? No, I've found all the things particularly directed in COVID, but just from a risk-based approach to what areas would you like to audit? One of the types of risks is financial risks. One of the types of areas that you would think to look at is areas in which we currently look. By currently, I mean, even pre-COVID, we're spending lots of money in those big areas to investigate to see whether or not we're spending that money appropriately. We're generally in all of this, I think all of this, I mean, at the Disgusting, it's intended to be-looking. It wasn't intended to say, well, we could have done better by any supplies during the COVID period and we could go to work with that. I mean, even the issues of operational efficiency that's looking whether or not there are some things that we want to do differently in the future. We can gain from the experience of pretty COVID over it as well as during the COVID experience. And here we have certain qualifications as to the amount of space we need. Certain expectations as to how it provides services. Did the insights that we've gotten can improve our operational efficiencies going forward. And I think that's the mindset with all of you at the category. Thank you. Last question regarding the traffic enforcement. It completely agree with what has been said regarding speeding. I mean, there isn't a day that doesn't go by that I'm not getting a call or an email that I forward to where where the police regarding some speeding and burns. And we have for many years talked about pedestrian safety in terms of crosswalks. And I know that John had mentioned that I last night in about somebody who had been hit by a car. So is it also part of the enforcement that you're looking at in terms of speeding, pedestrian safety? It's not just how many tickets are we giving out? I would imagine. Could you be a little bit more specific as to what you're proposing in terms of enforcement on traffic? Yes, but this will stay and will be a component of the hope you look at. Okay, great. So, would that be a sin? I support this. Thank you. Okay, thank you, and a thousand earlier. I do think it makes sense to maybe we can take Dr. Gold's optimism and hope that there will be a pro-Shidden world. That being said, this is sort of a grand experiment. And there are many things I think that we are learning when it comes to employment, when it comes to housing, when it comes to many issues. And I think we can try to find them. And certainly I think we should see where it has been efficient and worked. And certainly I think we should see where it has been efficient and worked. And of course, to do remote working and you've got the home-accommodated footprint, the positive one, and the other problems that we have, for example, reduction in traffic in some cases may actually lead to seeing. And we need to address it accordingly. So I do think it makes some certain streets where we hear meaning in the end, totally initially, that there are, you know, that there is is to try and deal with that. One thing that I think is missing, that I think would be extremely important and it's something that, you know, we've experienced and continue to experience over the past two weeks. And I had more to ask if we actually just specifically the one that I suggested was that we said how the city auditor we're doing everything theoretically, you know, but even if that's what they find out, that's a very important thing. And considering today that you have, this is not only something could be discussed in, but it's inappropriate, I think, for the police ready to do a vesecing in itself. That's why we have the city auditor. And the city auditor is a neutral honest broker. This is an asset I might, my guess would be that we're a lot better to take the media, the agent's chief, but to ignore that. And by not asking the city auditor to look at that, we're in fact investing that the city auditor ignore that. To me is wrong. That to me should be a top priority, they should be starting on that now. And we should look at it from an open and honest perspective. And, you know, as good as we may be and think we are, really nothing is so good that it can't get better. And my hope would be if we're looking at establishing best practices that maybe other communities can use. We can take this resource that we have, which is the city auditor, and knowing what our policy is, which is one that public safety is extremely important for us as a city, that we value community safety and that people, everybody, no matter if they're a visitor or a resident to feel safe in our community, that being said, it would be more than appropriate to have the auditor's do that, and I think it would be timely now. So to me, not including that, I can agree with everything else they're looking at, but it feels like it's a serious omission. It feels wrong, it feels like this would be something that they should be working on now because they can because this is really a coded related issue. I guess they may be able to look at how the police acted when it came to dealing with some of the protest. And my guess is that it's gonna come out suggesting that they did it in job in many cases. But again, nothing is so good that it can't get better. To me, this would be a glittering, really important item that we should be doing and leaving it out just feels wrong. Aside from that, I think that everything else makes sense. And looking at efficiency, looking at potential big ticket items, looking at operational efficiency based on all important. But certainly again when you want to talk about operational efficiency within the police department, yes the force is, it is a pretty big issue. But aside from that, I'm glad that we have Eduardo and his department and we've been making this in it. And these are some good examples about how we can make use of it. And certainly also the notion of work from home and how a fit college can continue to play a role even in, but so that there is a role in which we have to be, you know, less focused in the way that we are now. That being said, we certainly cannot rule out a future pandemic. the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the West, the how can we be better prepared when it comes to another COVID style? I think both of us will agree. We were not as we as the state, but we, for what, we as the country, also as the state and as the state, and all levels were not prepared enough for this. And what can we do to be better prepared? That's what I would add to that. But I ask that I'm very supportive of the department and I think there's a lot of value that we can get out of it for the city. Thank you. Thank you. I'd say most of my comments already but just to catch on with the council member at Miris just said, we did consider an audit related to the police use of force and considered that from two perspectives. My committee, a statistical study of it, how many incidents of a variety of types that we have versus other places of benchmark or another way of looking at it would be to examine certain situations and whether or not the response is in the correct spot. Oh, more medicine art is that we weren't really quite with either one of those pages that from a statistical perspective. The sorts of crime, the sorts of responses that we get in our city probably are different than cities around us and what's exactly so or what is the reputation could be derived in whatever statistics we've calculated. And there's also concern about evaluating whether or not the police response was appropriate in the given instance as to the particular sort of knowledge based expertise that we've been needed to be making those calls. I mean, yes, it's been independent, but it also has to be done by somebody who is particularly knowledgeable about police responses. That's very higher than so. about the waste responses. The main hierarchy itself, often they hire a consultant in their case if there's a specific needs for that needs to address those neural issues. It says that would be a possibility, but that was among our considerations and ultimately those are reasons why we did not recommend that we're going forward. Also, as Eduardo mentioned, at the time being at least where we're doing all the work audit work in-house, it's supposed to be using that second-sulking stuff, but the other way. So in my comments, we're flagged that we were all in a state in terms of, we did insist that, as an option, and built that it was not an appropriate option. For the read of it, I think that our target would require an outside console. We decided that we were going to be at least the next six months in the audience's kid house and not go having of the households. But they don't ask the word of the insurance code becoming with audit is on the list. Do you consider those that would require contracts or business versus what they could do in house? Right now, not the puzzle, not as to do everything in-house. It's not for a lot of you, extra-doll consulting for each person. And that part was how we got to the three major categories and then the sub-categories that are listed here. Currently. and then the categories that are listed here, current. And for the reasons that we're seeing previously, I also believe that the pre-general public areas are appropriate to allow the floor at this time on a system of basis, looking at it again, sit as much. So I don't think it was the way to present it all. So with that, we shall go on. Thank you very much for your report and comments. And if we can go on now to be next, I only have about a half hour, I don't know, number four, which is a quest by a thousand member mirage to this African-Susahic community opportunity to purchase apps and watch with it. You see this kind of opportunity to purchase apps and if we can have a staff report. Good afternoon, Aaron. City Council, I'm Cindy Owens, Policy Management and Enalyst for the City Manager's Office. Councilor Mayor, I have a question from a committee opportunity to purchase act in place in San Francisco, and the tenant opportunity to purchase act in place in Washington, D.C. to be presented as City Council for a new, discussion and and the tenant opportunity to purchase at and place some walking into the city. So if you present in the city council for a year, discussion and possible direction. Next slide please. The tenant opportunity to purchase at Alpinona's HOPA and the community opportunity to purchase at Alpinona's HOPA. Policies provide tenants living in multi-family buildings with advanced notice that the property owner is planning to sell the building and that opportunity for the tenants or a nonprofit to collectively purchase the building. To open, cover, consider the anti-displacement tools which may be used to preserve affordable rental housing stock, empower tenants and stabilize low income households. These policies generally require property owners to provide an intent to sell notes to the tenants, along with the timeframe for the tenants to form a tenant association and express interested purchasing unit. Alternatively, in San Francisco, it'd be for a nonprofit to purchase the complex. An additional amount of time, which is a given for the tenants to secure financing. Next slide, please. In 1980, Washington, DC, and York are free and active to address a continuing housing crisis. It was characterized by a severe forage of available renting housing or rental housing even under construction. There were nearly 60,000 households in the native housing assistance and they were occurring in loss of rental housing due to convenient and conversions, which was the first thing that impacted the low income, families in Washington DC and the other tenants. Loicin and species ordinance provides tenants from multi-family building the right to purchase the property in which they reside if the property owner opts to sell. And the right to match the third-party sale. Tenants in multi-family unit size 2 to 4 do not need to form a tenant association to enact those rights in D.C. With those living in a multi-family complex but five or more units must form a candidate's association. What's interesting is that it's maybe able to assign those rights to either a market rate or an affordable housing development at their own description. Tiggle family homes are exempt from TOPA. TOPA is managed by Washington DC's Department of Housing and Community Development. Rental conversion and sales division about six and a half full time exempt employees working on the program. TAPA enforcement is complete driven. Next slide please. Sample Disco just most recently established their T COPA program in September of 2019. San Francisco's program just a certain city approved nonprofit organizations at Bergera, or Fuse will purchase privately owned building containing three or more residential units. This also applies to multi-family buildings under construction and vacant lots for such buildings could be constructed. A prospective seller of a multi-family residential building is required to know by qualified nonprofits of its intent to sell a tight family property before offering the building for sale to look. Yeah, politics. There's no dedicated funding source for the program in San Francisco. And additionally implementation of Gordon's has been absorbed with the third state staff. The main difference between DC's program and San Francisco program is the first writer of Huzelton on profit versus their credit. Next slide please. There could be significant challenges to establishing a COPA or COPA program, including people in case of these programs can be costly as the city may need to extend or create a division or program area that staff by employees administer a monitor to the program. Staff or consultants would need to provide technical expertise to tenants so they can understand their rights. Tenets is an impurchasing the building could require some substantial technical, financial, organizational, and legal assistance. Property owners could also be resistant to the program to the time requirements involved in the sale, and creating a successful program could require a long-term funding commitment. Developing a monitoring program or process for compliance for either a COPA or a COPA by covering them or selling their program would also be something we would need to look into. And finally, the creation of a COPA or COPA may have legal implications that have not been fully researched at this time. And this includes a deeper review of the LSAC. Next slide, please. And this includes a deeper review of the LSAC. Next slide, please. So, this is a councilmaker accept to perform more research on developing a program and looking at what that program should look like. The council could do accept and take no further action at this time. Or you may provide any other recommendations covered by this report. Thank you. Okay, thank you Zindy. And do we have any public comment on this? We have one public-ren comment. We took these so ahead. Okay, this comment comes from Mark Elliott. Thank you, Councilmember John Mirage, for bringing forward this discussion. I support Tropa and Cropa because it is a free market approach to preserving housing that comes at little or no cost to landlords. The benefits to tenants of Tropa are many, continuing stability for tenants to exercise the Tropa option. And it's known that new ownership, August destruction, or even tenancy termination pursuant to Alice, tenants who collectively purchase are investing in their future, providing a boost for a relatively low rate of multi-family owner occupation in line with council's interest to support and encourage it. Encouraging the formation of tenant associations, which do enhance collective tenant responsibility towards the property and to the broader community. Adding another tool to our preservation toolbox, TOPO will help preserve our character contributing rental properties instead of raising them for redevelopment. Another important consideration, owner occupation under TOABO would improve today to shot property management practices to prevail a managed decline of our rental stock, comes at a cost dependence and to the broader community. Tenant suffer up when absentee landlords to, when absentee landlords deciphering resources from maintenance to boost net operating income and the community's sufferers because of properties deteriorate. Housing is a renewable resource but it must be renewed. Tobo looks like the promising means to that end. Second, with complement toba with coba, providing the community an opportunity to purchase with either one, keep existing multi-family stock operating as rental property which we need or two, it will open the door to new financing opportunities and incentives if redevelopment is the only realistic option. Every hills rental property sales that historically lag behind the market has historically lagged the market. The Sacramento may force our hand on redevelopment pursuant to our HNA. The resulting change in market conditions may accelerate rental property sales, let's anticipate the resulting tenant displacement by having in place a COPA and or COPA program, and we can make it fully cost-recoverable. This is the end of the comment. Okay, thank you. And I just also want to note for the record that we can have answered as part of the record, let us know whether that was addressed to my staff. All members of State Council from hand, you will send a hand for the Department of Civilization of Los Angeles County. Okay, with that we will close public comments and health and memory mirrors if you want to keep us off. Yeah, thank you. It's just to be fair. Yes, sir. You know, I had a correspondence with Daniel Eucielstin at the end of the day. He told it, quote unquote, a turn. And we can dress it up however we want. It's still bad. I think it's a basement for, I think the bathroom that a forty wanted to use was always the third, but we really make a metaphor out of it. The reason that I brought it up was simply because I do think I look at it as an effort displacement tool, and I'm not suggesting that we necessarily adopt whatever is hand from sister or watching to this done. But right now the ability, when a multi-family building is being sold for the cannons to become homeowners and purchase their units doesn't even exist. And so I think if we can figure out a way, I would prefer to work with the apartment owners to figure out a way so it doesn't have major income ranges and doesn't have a lot of red tape but does offer a new opportunity that hasn't existed up to now. Just because it hasn't been done, you can stay in theory, it hasn't existed up to now. Just because it hasn't been done, you can say in theory it does exist if a group wanted to form a co-op associate in a unit, but that people aren't going to say that this would put this on the radar, it would make it an opportunity for people where the billionaires for sale to stay in their homes. And as is more gallium study, it wouldn't do so in a discount. It would be a win, an owner, and the property owner, and the tenants without the reason agreement on what the price is. Look, I think we have a lot of issues to deal with, but anything that we can do to create a new model for a lot of people to stay in their homes and to work against displacement and to allow new homeowners, I think that's a good thing. And I said not waiting to any of the specifics of this, I just like the idea that when a building is for sale that the people who live there have a little potential to not fall over their destiny. You know, Daniel will say that a lot of the property owners say this is a business for them and I understand that. Or sort of people who live there is home. Your home is a sacred concept. And so if we can do something that allows them to stay in their homes, while also giving the property owner the same value that they would have gotten for a sale, I think that is the death-traditional win-win situation. And I would like to explore that. That's all. Thank you. Well, thank you, and we'll go to Councilmember, put us a thumbs up and have a little. Well, in the interest of time, I actually have lots of questions, but I'm just going to slowly get to the chase. I actually lived in New York at a time where you could buy your unit as they became a co-op. And on the one hand, there was an opportunity to make some money on the other hand. At the end of the day, all I did was raise the price and call up it. And there was all kinds of maneuvering about who was on the inside, who was on the outside. So I kind of lived through that. I actually think, although I agree with the sentiment that things that we could do to keep people at home, to a good thing, I just think that right at this moment in time, where life is so complicated, and people are looking to pay their rent, and we haven't even figured out yet how we're gonna help them do that, and all the rest that's going on, I just don't know that this is the time to be adding. And in addition to, of course, whatever it is that the state's gonna have to handle us, I don't know that now is the time. I think we have enough on our plate as it relates to real estate with commercial and residential and I don't think we should do this now. In a year of things of quieter, we want to re-raise the issue maybe, but right now I just think that there's just too much turmoil and this just contributes to it. Is it you and a thousand-member loss? Okay, I know that we don't have a lot of times for trying to specifically, so I completely agree with what John said and I'm sure that we also, that way in terms of wanting to find any end-part displacement tool possible. We've seen more than ever the element of hopelessness and as really ingested people who are unable to pay their rent as well as landlords who are unable as well to handle their finances, giving the realities of everybody's decision. I think anybody is not touched by what's happening. Just a couple quick questions, hopefully I can ask them quickly and get a hint so quickly. For Larry, is, you know, anything John even said, and I don't want to put words in John's mouth. So if I'm mistaking this temperature, I think what I heard John, that his goal is to try and find a way to handle displacement, find a way for people to stay in theira, is there mechanisms there in place that would provide for that opportunity? Is landlord wanted to tell their building and the residents wanted to own it? Is there a way to do it without the Topan, the Copa? Is is a mechanism currently to do that. Well, you know, you've got coba and coba and you've got the so-that's on one extreme, out nine extreme, that's on one end. And then you've got the tenons voluntarily forming an association and opposing the landlord, that's on the other end, you know, on the next three. So can there be something somewhere in the middle of that? Sure. You know, we could try and think of something. I am not aware of anything that's out there, but then again, I haven't looked either. So, we're very familiar with the business, but where anybody made me, it could be as simple as now the Mercedes-Benz St. Listen. This is an option that hasn't existed before through our, you know, our housing department we could state. If you're interested, this is what you would do because I don't think people, there's not like a framework. And in New York, it was fairly common, I think. I know, there are buildings to be some products, that's not a common thing here. And, you know, if you have a path, normal residents or not stabby at this, they're not gonna be able to do it. I think the goal was to also help guide people, to stay here's what you might, here's a playbook. And personally, because I'm a big, very nano-loathe and I go with Koba. That's just me. Okay, so, you know, for my perspective, and you know, in reading the staff report, Larry, well, I guess in the book, the staff report, but this is probably more of a Larry question. It's pointed out that there's going to be legal, potentially some legal challenges. We received a letter that this can be potentially a ticking and city costs. Do we have any idea to what magnitude we're talking about? Any of it then. It depends upon what the council wants to do. If you just take your examples or do your streams, if you're going to do a full co-op of a program, that's going to be us. So you point it out, it's somewhat expensive. If you just want to do something that says, be a residence, you can organize and form a co-op and work with your landlord, that could be very inexpensive. So, in between it's gonna rate. So, it really depends on what the council wants to do in this regard. So, at the minimum, and again, because of time and perhaps this will come back, and I would totally be supportive of this, and we've got to look at ways to try and find a win-win for everybody. But, you know, if the goal is to provide an opportunity for tenants to purchase the building and the goal also is for the landlord to be able to sell their building at a price that, you know, is, you know, what they feel is very reasonable. So we have a mechanism where we put something in place for, you know, in some of our, you know, our rent stabilization ordinance that is a building is going to be proposed to be the sole debt. The tenants are aware of it. So they at least have that option if they want to. Because right now I'm not sure that they even know where to get But really you know, let me just add to that though having lived through this What happens in that certain stance is the residents who want and is wanting start to put pressure on the ones who don't Because usually you need a threshold amount of people to agree to it And then it gets really nasty you need a threshold amount of people to agree to it. And then it gets really nasty when either way, you don't have enough to put your over the top and the people really want to do it or piss off or people who don't want to do it are now putting the place where they're going to have to leave their house. You go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, well, if they buy the building, they won't be able to stay. This will be a sample. Yes, they will, it's because they continue here because it's the same thing. There's another person buying it. That's the little point. The new landlord, not just got the rent. Well, no, but they can't admit them. You may under an LSAT, they can't only admit them for their own use, John. I want your apartment for me. So, again, I recognize that we only have 10 minutes and I don't want to monopolize everyone else's opportunity to speak. I'm happy to further look into this and see if there's a way to, and I've been John had said that perhaps there's a way to work with the apartment associations to come up with something that could work for everybody. I think it's certainly worth exploring to see if there's a way. I'm not sure based on what I'm understanding right now that soap and copa is the way, there might be something completely different that works for our city. But given we have 10 minutes, you know, I don't think right now is the opportunity. And I also agree with Julian. Right now, we're in the middle of significant challenges that we have to address as well, but I would definitely be willing to duplicate this further. Thank you. Okay, do I have any other comment? No, I mean, again, as I said, both my girlfriend and so far, just ideas, I think it's actually relevant now because hopefully there won't be a wave of evictions, but anything that can be done now to stop displacement, I think it's a matter of not life-sury, but a matter of something we need to do. That's all. Thank you, and welcome. I agree that the benefits we probably all agree that the benefits of maintaining and improving our rental stock are really very significant. But I do have some questions as to the amount to which this actually would be all that helpful for. I think the most helpful aspects would be the disclosure aspect, perhaps the guidance aspect. But the mere right to match a price, I'm not really sure that's all that helpful. I mean right now a cell will be generally being different. It's the same price that will definitely care what the cell will be selling to. So the disclosure aspect, the guidance aspect might help. Tenants realize that there is this possibility, might help to organize, might help them putting a matching price. But what's going to happen is there's a higher price for somebody else. I mean, some of these other areas that have done it have provided incentives to provide some additional money to try to match a higher price than what the tenants themselves might put together. If we were to begin to contemplate something like that, that would be a much bigger discussion than what we're having right now. And so, all of the more of these terms, it's something that would happen to disclose your requirements, things like that, give people the opportunity to know that this would be a possibility. We would not want things to be too burdensome, we would not want to allow too much of a time to hurry in, which nothing can happen before people be just act, but they have some kind of disclosure requirement. We let people know some guidance to be given. But I'm not sure what we really would be doing beyond that. Well Bob, if I may add, I agree with you. I think there's something that's above our big grade would be, it's really that the aim of the state is to stop this placement. And maybe the feds, there should be cat's credits for now, given to the landlords that, you know, that, like the 1031 exchange, some sort of program that they could accountable for the hands-on behalf, relatively similar offers go to the sentence. Maybe we can work through some suggestions, but I certainly think the information and those things that you said, they're a start, and you know, a start we've got, that's all I'm saying, now we're not going to solve at all. Right, and that would be a great success and a suggestion to provide the equity so that tenants are not bystander where they're living by a semi-sort of program, would be a great suggestion. For now we can at least let people know that the property is going to be sold so that people want to try to organize and buy it that they have an opportunity to do that. Right, and we can maybe throw it to this and provide some guidance here, so it's not opportunity to do that. Right, and we can maybe throw a red division for us and die this year, it's how you do it, here's how it can be done. Because that said, these people generally don't know and that's a start, I think. And you gotta start somewhere, so I'd be on board. Okay, thank you, and I think we all have stated there's an multiple occasions, we all have stated this on multiple occasions. We all want to do whatever is necessary so that, and it's another place for, from the other people, that has been an override goal of all of us. I think it is closer, requiring this in advance on the ability to scale, might be a good idea. I think working with the Department of Association and how much of workable methods to give people not to be just placed when building is sold is a good idea. I think we need to do whatever we can to encourage when owners who have been to want to purchase the building at market price and use them. But what I think is, you know, if you work with them, you see that I see some Francisco. Those are not exactly, I see these policies that I look at every little thing. Anyway, I think that we can, we can, we can't see the incursive flows. But I also need to write now, there's a lot of challenges for those candidates and for landlords. I think adding a group of such as code at this point times probably to ensure something that we could look at in the future, but I think right now it's just piling along. So with that, we've done a year and two close seconds for those items on the closed second, agenda and we'll do that next file theory. Okay. Thank you very much. See you then.