This first meeting of the City of John's Creek Planning Commission to order. This time in light desk everyone to please silence or turn off your cell phones. The Planning Commission is a recommending body to the mayor and city council and we follow guidelines in conjunction with the public hearing to assist in formulating a recommendation. Copies of the Planning Commission procedures and staff reports are available at the entrance to the chamber. Following the agenda, the presiding officer will call cases for public hearing. First, the presiding officer shall recognize planning staff to present the case and recommendations. We'll then open the public hearing. The applicant shall receive a time period of 10 minutes to present their case. Concurrent variances are granted 10 minutes each. The time is kept by planning staff. The applicant may choose to use their entire allotment or reserve a portion of their time for a bottle. Any member of the hearing body upon recognition by the presiding officer may ask questions of the applicant or agent of the application. The period of questions from the Planning Commission is not deducted from the applicant's time period. Opposition is granted an equal time period per application to present data, evidence, and opinions. If a large number of persons wish to speak in opposition, we advise that you designate spokesperson to make the presentation. The city is not obligated to provide the full time period to opponents if they elect, not to use their time, and the opposition is not granted a rebuttal period. Any member of the hearing body upon recognition by the presiding officer may ask questions of any person giving public comment. After completing this process, the presiding officer may ask questions of any person giving public comment. After completing this process, the presiding officer will indicate the public hearing is closed. Upon closing the public hearing, the planning commission can no longer be addressed by the applicant or opposition. The planning commission will then ask questions of city staff and once questions are asked and answered, the presiding officer will call for a motion and if properly seconded will call for a vote. The presiding officer will then state the vote and recommendation for the record. We'll start by recognizing the commissioners and attendance this evening starting from my left. Commissioner Catson, Commissioner Holtz, Commissioner Sanders, and Commissioner Cornwall. First item on the agenda is approval of the July 10th meeting minutes. Is there a motion to approve is submitted or changes to the minutes? I'll move to approve it as submitted. I'll second that. Motion to approve a submitted by Commissioner Sanders, seconded by Commissioner Holes. All in favor, raise your right hand. I will abstain since I was not in attendance. The motion passes, 4 to 1. And the minutes are approved. First item of new business is Land Use Petition RZ 23002. Good evening, planning commissioners. My name is Ruchia Gerval, and I'll be presenting tonight's case, RZ-23-002. Subject property is located, has several addresses, 10 properties, actually, maybe 12. From 610 to 770, Paul's walk, it is 4.40 acres. It's the Parsons Recreate subdivision, as you can see, outlined in the black, here on the screen. The existing zoning is R4A conditional, and the proposed zoning, there is no change R4A. The request is to change in conditions to eliminate original condition number 7 of RZ-17-012. This subdivision is located 0.6 miles approximately west of the intersection of Medlock Bridge Road and Parsons Road. It is bounded by Parsons Road and a single family detached house to the north, Stonehaven subdivision to the east and Randolph Hall subdivision to the south and west. It's a 10-lot single family residential development which was approved by Council, pursuant to rezoning case RZ-17-012 with two concurrent variances. The rezoning condition number seven of this case required the developer to provide a pedestrian access easement to an existing trail located south-west of the subdivision. And in the photograph here, you can see the access easement and the pedestrian path going towards the trail. The access easement has to be maintained by the Parsons retreat H-O-A that was required by the condition. So the rezoning request once again is to eliminate condition number seven requiring pedestrian access easement between last six, which is 720 pulse walk and last seven, which is 770 pulse walk in the southwest portion of the subdivision. And the condition as originally it read in the current zoning is provide pedestrian access to existing trail on southwest and portion of site. Access shall be contained in an easement to be maintained by the mandatory homeowners of association for the subdivision. The final location and design shall be subject to review and approval by the director of community development. And the red dashed arrow shows kind of the path that is developed currently. The pedestrian access easement which is shown in the red dash line and the path leads to the Randolph-Holves Subdivisions detention pond where there is no pedestrian accessible trail exists. There is no agreement in place between the respective subdivisions which is Randolph-Hol and the Parsons retreat and also the Stone Haven subdivisions to access and use of the common areas and amenities located within these subdivisions. We'll take a look at the zoning impact analysis. The first one is suitability with nearby land uses. The chart shows in the red outline the Parsons up to vision or the application and the adjacent properties here. So the removal of condition number seven will not impact the use of subdivision as approved by the council and developed in accordance with the approved land disturbance permit and also the final plat. There is the impact to existing uses by elimination of condition number seven and removing the pedestrian access easement and the path it would not adversely affect the existing use or usability of surrounding properties. The property appears to have a reasonable economic use as currently zoned. There is no impact on the use of existing streets with this request, with this rezoning request. There is no impact on the use of existing streets, transportation facilities, utilities, or schools. Consistency with the comp plan, this subdivision is located in Medlock Community Area and the subdivision is currently developed is in conformance with the policy and intent of the comprens of plan. Other considerations. The persons retreat HOA received consent from all property owners for removal of the pedestrian access and easement and path. And it does not connect to the existing trail that is mentioned originally in the condition. And also maintaining this original condition number seven would detract from the peaceful and safe use of lots six and seven by the respective property owners. Environmental impacts, this proposal of elimination of the condition is not environmentally adverse and required remediation associated with environmental impacts to the development of parts and retreat subdivision has already been addressed during the development, land disturbance and the development of the subdivision. With that, staff recommends approval of land use petition or Z-23-002 by preserving existing applicable conditions from the original zoning case or Z-17-012 and eliminating condition number 7. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Agrawal. This time we will open the public hearing just to remind our name and who comes forward to speak. Please just state your name and address for the record and if the applicant would like to come forward. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the John's Creek Planning Commission. My name is Bryson Mercer. I'm a zoning and land use attorney with miles, Hanford at 202 Trouble Gap Road coming Georgia's suite 200. And Ruchi did a great job of giving it overview for this presentation. So what we have here is a changing conditions application for 4.44 acres known as Parsons retreat subdivision. As you can see, this is an aerial of the subject property. There are 10 homes and 12 total parcels within this subdivision, two are owned and maintained by the HOA and the other 10 are homeowners. And then this is the current zoning condition number seven. We are proposing to delete this condition removing the pedestrian access easement that is actually located on the south eastern portion of the site, even though it states here that it needed to be located on the south western portion of the site, even though it states here that it needed to be located on the south western portion of the site. So as you can see here, that is the proposed zoning condition. And then this is the approximate location highlighted in red between lots six and seven and the Parsons retreat subdivision. And this is our amended side plans showing the removal of such easement and then these are the pictures of the trail as it is existing today it's important to note that this trail does not access anything it goes to the Randolph Hall stormwater detention find and so I personally believe this is probably not good practice for people to be going down to a trail where there's a stormwater management area, especially one owned by a different HOA, especially when there's no agreement in place. And again, this is the aerial of the Parsons retreat subdivision. And this, it does not show the entrance of the trail between the two lots, but it shows the stairs going down to pretty much nothing. And so I don't, no one's used this trail. No one in the neighborhood does the HOA nor the property owners want to maintain it. And so we would politely request that this condition would be removed to maintain it. So we would politely request that this condition be removed. Thank you. If there are any questions, I would be more than happy to answer this. Thank you, Mr. Mercer. We will maintain the balance of your time if there is any need for a bottle. Thank you. Is anyone here speaking in opposition to the land use petition? In that case, Mr. Mercer, if you don't have anything else, we can close the public hearing. Okay. Yeah, that seems to be the oddest recommendation of ever seen, condition I've ever seen in my time here. So I don't have any questions of staff or the applicant. No, I'd make a motion to approve. Commissioner Katz, I have one question. Okay. Good evening. Is there any trail plan that John Cree has that shows any spur going along that stream? No sir. Okay. The reason I'm asking ten years ago, there was a discussion about trails through the neighborhoods over there. And it was quite interesting, not in my backyard discussions. Once you get down those pavers to the trail, it's rustic, there is a trail there, but there's also a nice stream bed. So I remember that old issue many years ago and I was wondering. So thank you. Just have a quick question for staff. So there's a plan to put a new trail, like once this is closed? No, no. This was so it was a condition as part of the rezoning that was approved for a subdivision based upon my predecessor who was here thinking that it could connect to potentially maybe in the future a larger trail system. Just access was pro- It was in access and it was sort of it could have been a little bit better in terms of the design end of it, but I think it was just sort of submitted as part of the approval process and that's how it got approved. But essentially it doesn't necessarily perform any function right now. Right now. Okay, thank you. So I will go ahead and make a motion to approve Land Use Petition RZ-23-002. I'll second it. So we have a motion by Commissioner Sanders, second by Commissioner Carnwall to recommend approval of RZ-23-002 all in favor. Motion passes five to zero. Thank you, Mr. Mercer. Next item of new business is the Comprehensive Plan Update. So, good evening, plenty of commissioners. So, tonight it's very excited. I'm very excited to bring you the five-year updates for the complex. So before we jump into the detailed of what I changed for this update, I just want to provide an overview of what is the complex. So a complex is a big picture citywide document that's setting the vision and goal for the entire city and also it's a guide for the decision making for the next five to 10 years. So in Georgia, it's a requirement for every city to have a comp plan. And also we have to do update every five years. So the Georgia Department of Community Affairs, they have the minimum standard for the procedures and also for what should be including the comp plan. For instance, housing, land use, transportation. So the last comp plan we did is adopted October 2018. So this one is just a five year update. It's due this October, that's why we are bringing this to Plenty Commission now. I apologize, it's hard to read from this slide, but I'm just gonna give you overview. So this shows you the timeline of the entire complaint update process. So all the way from May, we went to city council for work session, and also we did a last, I think we did a second meeting, May, to initiate the complaint update officially, and also point the advisory committee members. So we have six member advisory committee. the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the county and the So here the dark blue is the key milestone. For instance, we did a survey, we released a survey, we updated our company website, we also released draft. Then the light blue shows you all the commitment engagement effort we went through, which I will get into in more detail later. And where we are now is highlighted in all range, which is here, which is a planning commission meeting. This just gave you a different view of the entire timeline. So as you can see, it started May. It's expected to be adopted by Council by October. So now we are in August. So the next step for this afternoon is we are going to take this campaign update to Council on August 22nd. Once Council gave approval to move forward, we are going to do the transmitter to Atlanta Regional Commission and DCA, which is the Department of Community Affairs. They normally take 30 days to review and then come. So hopefully we can adopt this back to October, which is before the due date. So from day one, staff, no committee engagement is one of the most key items for this to be a successful plan. So just want to provide you an overview of what we've done on our side for this company and our reach. First is on May 10 after the Council initiative, we started the website so you can see it's hard to read. We provide a scope of in a timeline. Also the online survey is a link here. And also we provided a contact email. So we did receive a lot of email from residents regarding the updates. On May 10, we did receive a lot of email from residents regarding the update. On May 10, we also released a survey. So this survey is a standard SWAT survey, which is strength, weakness, optune, and a threat. So we tried our best to promote the survey, and in the end, we received 71 survey results, which is substantial regarding the limited scope for this company update. So if you're interested, the entire survey is summarized for you on page 288 to 284. But if you want to see the entire survey, you can also see from 285 to page 335. So just want to provide you overview of who took the survey. So again, it's hard to read. I'm just going to go through the graph with you. So first one is what you want to apply to do live here, do you walk here, what's your relation with your Johns Creek. So again there's no surprise over 80% of people who take the survey they live in Johns Creek and about 10% of them they're walking Johns Creek. The second one is interesting is how long you live in Johns Creek, which is here. So the first bar is, they're over two five years, then second is five to 10 years. It's even split between people who are newcomers who live here less than 10 years, and which is around 50%, then over 50% is people who live here more than 20 years. The next one is how old are you? As you can see, this is also very typical regarding our, you know, outreach. We, the majority, 98% of the people who responded are over age 26. So we only have received three surveys for people who's under age 25. That's one of the reasons in our outreach, which specifically did a meeting with next data meeting is called NextGen forum, which we involve people who live here, who's in high school, grad school, or college. The last one which is also interesting is which race group do identify yourself with? So 90-80% of people identify as Caucasian and we have about five surveys who identify them as aging. So this is very interesting, as you can see later, the racial mixup of the city is 48% Caucasian and 35% Asian. But the interesting is the Caucasian population is more engaging in the company updates. We also made flyers, which provide the scope and including the QR code for the survey. So over the past four months, we distributed over a thousand copies throughout different events and also at different city halls or different churches. We also have great communication team who has been doing weekly promotion for the company update. So you can use if you follow John's Creek on Twitter or Facebook, you should receive notice every week. This next slide is showing you the overview of all the meetings or events we tap into. So a few events, we, a pop-up event which including touch-and-truck on May 20 and also on June 1st, we had a separate meeting which we also promoted a count plan. Then we also, staff also attended June 1st, June 1st, June 1st of the city on June 17th. Then also we had a July 10, which is the next year in forum, which tailored towards younger folks. We held two advisory committee meetings and also two committee meetings. You can see the pictures here. Again, the initial meeting is just share the scope, provide initial funding, and also hope to get some input. So our last advisory committee meeting This goal provide initial funding and also hope to get some input. So our last advisory committee meeting is on July 20th, where we review the entire draft plan and a law of good comments have you received from the advisory committee members. And these has been all incorporated in the complaint updates and provide a two-year in PDF last Friday as named internal revision. So now I'm only going to move forward with the scope of the comp plan. So before I jump into what's changing, I want to share what's no changing, but that's as important. The first one is no changing is the vision and goals. So that's chair Sanders. She set on the original Adviral Committee meeting. So she knew how much effort had took us to reach this one sentence vision statement. So therefore it was approved by the CAC, by the community, by planning commission and council. So we're not changing this vision statement. As part of the vision and goals, we laid out eight different goals to make the vision come to life and we're not changing this as well. The next thing we're not changing is eight community areas. So we're dividing into city into eight portions. This is based on existing land use, residential density density railway configuration. We spent a lot of time with, you know, CAC members to see what's the best way to divide up. So we are now changing the map here. As part of the community areas, one of the most important components is regarding residential density. So we lowered density for the majority of the city and we're now changing what's being set five years ago with this complex update. So, not moving to what's changing now. So, to summarize all the changes, which is about 215 pages in this document, I can put them into night categories so it's easy to go through them. The first one is demographics. The original complaint was using 2017 data, so now we have the latest data of 2020, so everything is updated based on the new census data. So John's Creek, now we have 83,352 residents here. The growth of the population is slower than we expected. Also, what we observe is we see some decline in the city, specific John's Green North, which is in yellow, out to mill and new town. These three character areas have been losing population in the past five years. Another data we updated is regarding age distribution. This data is no really changing much compared to five years ago. So we have 15% population to be baby boomers, which is between age 68 to 74 now. And it's very similar to North Ford and County and also Atlanta region. Our millennial population is about 20%, which is millennial defining the complaint as someone who is 20 to 39. The project to decrease, the population project to decrease by 31% in the next five years. So increased by next five years. So this is again consistent with the trend we have been seeing in the past five years, where Johns Creek will offer the asset is the school district. So whenever you have kids, you want to move in Johns Creek, but whenever you retire or you become MPNASTER, you're moving out. Regarding race, which is also interesting data to update, in 2000, we have 82% of the population in Johns Creek as Caucasian. The number has dropped to 48% of 2022. With the decline of the Caucasian population, Asians are one of the highest-grows race group. As you can see from the bar, the chart here, the blue is Caucasian, which is 48, then over 30, I believe 38 is Asian population here. We also did a population projection per race. As you can see on the left side you have 222 data, then this is 227. So besides Asian population, the Caucasian American and also African Americans expect to keep decreasing in the next five years. Regarding education, no surprise, over 71.3% of residents in Johns Creek over age 25, they hold a bachelor degree. This transfer to very high median household income at 156,427. This almost double that of a land-a-region. Regarding housing price, our housing price, the median household housing price is 465 grand. It's much higher than a land at which it runs 300K. However, it's lower than a fairer, semi spring and a millton. We have very low vacancy rate for our residential housing stock. Only at a 3.9%. We also have the highest owner-occupied housing at 77%, comparing to 60% at North Foda and also 59% for a land-a-region. One trend regarding residential stock, housing stock is regarding senior housing. So five years ago, we only have five percent of total housing stock to senior housing. This number has rise to over 15% of the entire housing stock to senior housing in the past five years. Next section is regarding employment data. So the first number is the total number of jobs within Johns Creek. It's a little bit over 28,000 jobs. And these are the five employers, top employers in Johns Creek. And for the first two, which is outcome and emirate, both of them have been working on their long-term expansion plan. So we expect the total employment is going to keep going up in Johns Creek. of employment is going to keep going up in Johns Creek. Regarding working residents, so out of the 8,000, 3,000 residents in Johns Creek, over half of them are working. And based on the data which is shown here, only about 10% of them live in a work here. 90% of them commute out from Johns Creek. So I think the top destination for them is the land, the sandy spring, peachy corners and alpha redder. Which is consistent with what we found five years ago is people commuting out to work. Regarding commercial real estate, we are going to go through office and retail. So office, regarding office, we had about 3.2 million square feet of office. But however, with the demolition of the state farm complex, it's only 2.8 now. This graph here shows you the total percentage, as you can see, we are in blue, which is very small percentage regarding a total heart-in-stocking Atlanta. We have experienced a very few construction for office, besides medical office, which is in high demanding Johns Creek. With that low construction, we have interesting chart from co-star, which is vacancy rate and market rent. So vacancy rate is shown here in orange. As you can see, we hit the 10-year low regarding vacancy only at a 10.4%. And market rent has been the highest ever even adjustable inflation. Again, a few reasons. The first one is we haven't had any construction. So therefore, when you have low supply, normally the housing price goes up. The second is we do have a large amount of class A office, which is half of the stock of total office. And they have 4.5% vacancy rate, which drags down the total vacancy for offices. Regarding retail. So John's Creek, we have about 4.3 million square feet of retail. Again, it's smaller compared to other jurisdictions. It's only 8% if you draw 10 mile radians. So we are facing competition from Evalon, the forum, Moff Georgia, and Premdomov also over here. We haven't released much construction regarding retail in the past 10 years, and also that's one reason why our retail market has been pretty resilient through COVID, with a vacancy rate at only 3.5%. One reason being more fluent community, which we have higher than normal purchasing power, than some of the retail in Johns Creek is like grocery store or like home improvement, which is a hard demand. The biggest issue we see regarding retail space is something called retail leak. So based on data, John's Creek residents spend about $1.4 billion in shopping every year. And only half of that is capturing John's Creek. So therefore, some of the survey we be receiving, everyone's asking for something called destination shopping versus just a strip mall, which is more like Avalon where you have mixs, you have Open Space, you have Restaurant Mixed with the Shopping Experience. So hopefully with the Mally coming in two years, this is going to address the retail leak. Next one is a new requirement, which is called a broadband internet service. It's a new requirement by the Senate, and we run the map, and we run the map. So we run the data. We got the data from federal communication commission. And as you can see from the map, what's in orange is covered with internet. What's in gray is known internet connection. So like in John's Creed, we have certain parts that's in the middle of the roadway. Sometimes it's just, most of them just in the middle of the roadways, that's no cover. So almost 99.5% of John's Creek has internet coverage and also, most times, you can have more than 2 to 3 providers. Next slide is regarding transportation profile. So the first one is showing you the new roadway, how many lanes per the railway, as you can see, we just updated the data with the major construction at 141 and a state bridge. The next one we did is we provided updated sidewalk and trail connection just to see how it's connected. So again, the major changes here is a long stay bridge. We are with the new configuration. We now have sidewalk, one side has sidewalk and one side has trails. And also we can complete the connection all the way from stay bridge from one foot, they want all the way to try to achieve it. So if you look compared this to the CWP which is a community work program, we are going to fill most of the gaps in the next five years. A long major always. Next update is regarding parks. So now we have eight parks in total. So what do you see here as in dark green is the city park, also the MPC Park, MPS Park, which is a national park service. And all of them, we have four new parks in the past five years. So it's including a modern road park right here, a state bridge park, which is a passive park with only trail. We have a parking park in ShakeRag, which is built in a both park. Then we have our largest park, which is over 200 acres that's called Lee Creek, which just opened two weeks ago. Again, it's hard to read this one, but it's just showing you the total acreage of parks. So we have over 445 acres of park land. The only one that's under construction is under engineering. So we have over 445 acres of parkland. The only one that's under construction is under engineering. It's going to go to construction hopefully next year is a creek side park which is right behind you. The city also conducted a level of service analysis regarding the elements of the park. So we're not only comparing parkland but also what's the meaning of the park. So we are not only comparing park to the other, but also what's the many that is providing in parks. So what's in, what's no highlight is meeting the standard. And what's being highlighted in yellow is what's lacking right now. So we are aware we do need additional trails, no matter it's paved or it's natural surface trail. We need additional multipurpose field, we need best book courts, tennis court, and additional dog park. So this is factored into our CWP, CIP moving forward. The next one is being updated is land use, which is one of the most important components of the company. We didn't make any changes per staff. What we did is whatever went through rezoning special use permits, land disturbance permits, or just building permits, whatever land changes use on the ground, or whatever has to be approved, but hadn't been constructed yet. We want to reflect the changes in the past five years. So we made changes to the current land use just to reflect what's being approved and what's being constructed now. I want to give an example here. So for instance, we had a church right here, which is, if you're driving down state bridge, when you pass target is on the right side. It was a church, it's OI zoning. However, they have, it's by default, they came for LDP, land-deserved permit, and they get approved. So now it's single-family homes. So that's why we went in, we flipped the use from OI institutional use to residential. Again, we are just changing land use as what's being approved. For the future land use, no change has been made. We kept the density for each community area, so what we did is we are just mimicking the current land use. Whatever change in current land use, we just just mimicking the current land use. Whatever change in current land use, we just reflect the changes in the future land use. The most important map might be the land use change, which is what could change in the next five years. So only 5.1% of future land use is expected to change in the next few years, maybe 5, maybe 10, with only about 900 acres potential changing land use. As you can see here, which is hard to see, I apologize. We do have certain part of the city, which is aging strip center, which is, most of them is alone Jones Bridge. You can kind of see here. Those of the, those have been, those venues have been changing from C1, which is commercial to mix, mix with low density, which allows certain residential components to be added as part of potential redevelopment. The next one is a unique components regarding John's Creek complex, which is total build-out. What happened five years ago is people had been asking how many potential units can we add in John's Creek so we don't make the role we more congested. So what we did is we went parcel by parcel. As you can see, this color of the our lives is the same for each of the community areas. So what we did is we went to let's say John screen north. I went through each parcel to see what's underdeveloped and what's vacant. Then John screen north, the density is 3D away. So I just timed the acreage off the vacant and under development at time it. So now we have a new number of how much can be added, potentially for each community areas. And the total what can be added in the city, in the next, again, five years, ten years, maybe forever before we change the complex, is over 2000 units. But however, just keep two things in mind. The first one is in the tech park where the town center is, it's where we are. We have a totally different density calculation based on adopted town center vision and plan. So that density is not included in this total number. The second one is, if we have a zoning case come before you, you approve something above what's allowed by the COMPAN. That's going to increase the total number of units that could be potentially added. The next one is the last chapter of the comprehensive plan, which is something called a community work program. You can think of this as a CIP item of what's where are we going to spend money in the next five years or ten years to make two meets of vision. So it's dividing to five different categories, land use, economic development, parks, transportation and community facilities. The last one to focus here, this is normally like fire station, police station, or city hall renovation. That's going to be included under the last one. So we had an original CWP which was approved five years ago. And the further DCA requirement, we need to turn that into a report of accomplishment. So they need to know out of all the project you promised me what have you accomplished. So that's why the status is going to be cancelled, complete, underway or postponed. So whatever is underway or postponed need to be rolled over into the new CIP, CWP for the next five years. Also, what's additional priority for council is the new CIP, need to be merged into the new CWP. I will show you the example in a minute. Again, sorry you couldn't read, but this example, which is part of the report of accomplishment. So on the left side you see this is a description of what we promised five years ago. The middle column shows of status, which is complete on a way canceled. So if it's complete, I need to provide a note of how it's completed, when it's completed. So therefore, if you are interested, you can go flipping to the back of the component, and out of 187 project, I provide update one by one by one, if you're interested. Then this is the format of the new CWP, which is numbered here. So for instance, this is a land use. So it's LU, it's 1.1, 1.2, it's ED for tracking. If any of the old project that rolled over, I would just have a reference number in the report of accomplishment so people can keep track. We have a description of what we promised to do, what we would try to do. Then over here, you have a timeline, which is 2023 to 2027. It shows you when do we want to accomplish each of the project and also total cost here and the founding source. So for instance, for translation project, this is what we tried to accomplish in the next five years. And it's part of the each, this is part of each community areas and also this is part of the CWP. So they all connect back to the CWP. Then if you want to see how much are we spending for each category. So this is total budget, so as of now in the next five years, we expect to spend $360 million. So as you can see, we plan to spend over $100 million for parks and $215 million on transportation. Then on the land use, which is on a committee development, we spend 1.2. This is mostly to do studies. Then we have certain portion of this allocated to economic development. So that's everything regarding the complaint. I know it's a brief summary, but I'm trying to wrap 215 page of changes into your presentation. So again, the next step is we're gonna have council meeting August 22nd. September is trend, trend middle to ARC and DCA. And hopefully we get adopted by the second council meeting October, which is October 17th. So I'm happy to take question now. Thank you, Ms. Chen. I'll say that I don't have any questions through Commissioner Holtonized Participation in the last couple of meetings with the Advisory Committee. I can't compliment the team enough and the effort that you'll put in and getting community awareness generated and feedback. And we talked about your challenges editing the original document. I know that was a huge undertaking, so excellent work on that. So I don't have any questions. We can start with Commissioner Cadson. Thank you, Chair. Question on, I think it was slide nine, was the 10% that work in Johns Creek also the 10%? How should I say, was the 10% that work in Johns Creek also the ones who live in Johns Creek? Correct. Okay. Yeah. So, how many people were able to ascertain how many people from outside Johns Creek come to Johns Creek? Correct. We have over 21,000 people who don't live in here, but they're driving here every day to work. That slide, thank you. Okay. And what you just went over for CIP, well, CIP as I call it, what any of the cost or budgets be covered, are they only covered by pay as you go taxes, Any of the costs or budgets be covered? Are they only covered by payers you go taxes, or will there be splos or Geobonds covering the costs? It depends on, let me go to the section. So it depends on which category you're referring to. So for land use and, so land use, it can be- Not transportation, vertical work. What kind of vertical walks? Parks and buildings. So parks, most of them is on a park bound, general phone. But most transportation is on a T-splot. Yeah, T-splot. Yes, I understand that. Thank you. But no other planes floss to build other government vertical buildings or anything like that. We had one item which is under a future which is we are going to do a new fire station along Bumble Road. I think that's a general fund. That's a general fund, yes correct. Thank you. The density changes, you mentioned that they stayed the same? Yeah, didn't change. None were lowered. It was lower five years ago and it kept the same this time. Good, okay, not lower, okay, go ahead. And in your information gathering, we're able to ascertain, I think it was slide 24. We're able to ascertain why we have low new development. You're referring to office space as Zoom. Yes, office. This is a really market driven. Normally when you have enough demand, we'll see a new proposal here. However, the hasn't been really a demand for office space after COVID. So we're able to ascertain what features the city hazard doesn't have to attract office development. So what we have done with economic development directories, we have been trying to fill in spaces that's vacant now. That's one reason why the vacancy rate is lower. I think five years ago we have higher vacancy in existing office. That's why there's no demand for additional development. Yeah, I mean, I'll add a couple things just geographically. You know, those cities that have 400 in it or running next to it has found greater success. There is a great, and now because we have an economic development director, there is a greater focus on economic development. What are the areas that industry that we do target? And I think the plan moving forward is more from a life sciences standpoint as evidence by Boston Scientific coming into the city as well. And also sort of leveraging the industries that we have like Alcon. Obviously we have Emory Johns Creek and sort of building on that. We're still working that strategy. But for the most part it's just sort of the built environment of Johns Creek. Tech Park is the area that we're trying to attract more sort of businesses to and office users. Just in the city alone, just the way we've been built out over the years, we don't have much space for office use at this time, but there are opportunities where we may be able to go vertically for those opportunities. And also one trend we have been seeing regarding office spaces, they don't want a standout office anymore. They want office to be mixed as part of a mix use. So that's what in Abelong, if you look at office spaces above the retail, they have very low vacancy rates compared to here. That's more desirable for the office workers to be in that location. And that, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Just to echo the other comments, I'm sitting on the sub-counsel. I mean, what fabulous work, I'm just glad I wasn't the one having to do it. We're doing it five years ago, and reading through, I don't know how many. It was like over, I think over 400 pages in reading surveys. I mean, really is an incredibly daunting task that, I mean, I think you guys just did a fabulous job. I did have a couple of questions. I can't help but sit here and not put on various committee and board hats that I sit on trying to kind of connect the dots. So one question I had was, I know we say we have 445 acres of parks. Any idea how that compares to other cities of a comparable size? I mean, are we over indexed as a percentage on parks? Are we under indexed? Like I have no idea as a frame of reference. So at the part of the level of service, we did a comparison with neighboring jurisdiction. We are keeping up regarding park acreage. But once we dive into different elements of the park, that's where we are lacking certain parts. Like a recreational center, we don't have one here. So yeah. But generally regarding park acreage, we are keeping up with other cities. Okay. Do you have like a per capita acreage? I do have the information. I can find it. It's in the adopted adopted parking recreation master plan. Okay. I'm only asking because I'm thinking of how we leverage the branding of John's Creek. So I have kind of no true, I'm asking these questions. In terms of retail, I know you said there's 1.4 billion and I know we all know that a lot of what goes on in John's Creek is people leaving John's Creek and spending their money everywhere else. And that less than half of it stays in John's Creek is people leaving John's Creek and spending their money everywhere else, and that less than half of it stays in John's Creek. Do we have any sub breakdowns on where they're spending their money? We do. I can provide data. It's from Coastaria. Okay. I'd be interested to see that. It's not necessarily a comment, but it's more interesting on where are people and how much business is going to other places where we know everybody's spending their money in other places. So we have a few source of data. The first one is co-star second of all. I do remember we have sort of a market research where they track your cell phone. So when you drive off from your home, they know where you're going and how to stay there. So yes, we do have some data. I'll can share with you later. Okay, now I'm just curious. And ask you to go ahead and ask the council to do that. I'll just go ahead and ask the council to do that. I'll just go ahead and ask the council to do that. I'll just go ahead and ask the council to do that. I'll just go ahead and ask the council to do that. I'll just go ahead and ask the council to do that. I'll just go ahead and ask the council to do that. I'll just go ahead and ask the council to do that. I the compound, but what do they do with everything they see? What do you expect to get back from them as a scope? So what they do is they have their minimum requirements per the state. Like did you have a SWOT analysis? Do you have the housing data, land use data? They're just checking the bare minimum of what did we miss something? So five years ago, we sent over to DC and ARC. They came back with no comment. So most times they, unless you miss something, they're not in comments. Okay. I, you know, what occurred to me was that you had to update somebody factual demographic and factual data that I thought, well, so what would they challenge if they came back? I mean, they're not rewriting the whole document unless they say something you wrote was, I just was curious about that again Fabulous work and those are all the questions or comments So just one comment regarding DC and air see they do route this Compaint update to adjacent jurisdiction so that the loose Beachy corner all of them they will receive the complaint and they also have three days to review so last year Five years ago we did receive some comments, but it's more like FYI, I like this, I don't like that. Nothing substantial needing change by its more general comments from other jurisdictions. So some director can write letters saying great job or something yeah. Right. No, thank you again. So I wanted to echo what everyone said, but I actually was part of the first comp plan and Jan came in after we decided to throw it out and it was I think your first task. Yeah, yeah. She just got hired and she was like when we were like okay you need to fix this and here's what we want. So she was phenomenal in that. I can't give her enough credit because she literally understood it from day one and moved on. So yay, yay for you. The only other thing I was going to ask is, is there a way to add a historic preservation ordinance where it talks about structures to add the trees, because council's already said that they do wanna put in a historic tree preservation ordinance. And I was just thinking it would be nice if we put that in conjunction with, so it wouldn't just be structures, it would also be trees. And I have, and I made a copy for everybody, all the historic trees in Johns Creek that were from the historical society. And so I just thought it would be nice to list those in there as well. And then mention that as well, because I know in Milton, they do have it in theirs. So it's in the CWP per se. So it's under LU1.4. So we, Ben and I, we talk about this. We are going to do a unified development code. So once we do that, all the ordinance, the tree, land disturbance is going to come in as one. So that's when we are going to do that. That's our plan. So it's going to start at 2025. So let me, let me, I'll just say it this way. Because Councilman L would said that we would be seeing it in October of this year. So now you're saying 2025. Well, no, two different things, two different things. So we don't necessarily know what form it's going to come in. It's part of the discussion from council. Again, whatever is listed in the Comprehensive Plan, even in the CWP, essentially at the end of the day, it's a guide. So council could come up with a different initiative altogether and approve it as part of their budget, and it's not even listed as a CWP. But to answer your question, that is something definitely that we will look into as part of the discussion for two separate discussions actually. Historic preservation and tree ordinance as well. Because Milton has a tree canopy conservation order and it's much more substantial than what we've got. Sure, and I think there's a certain, totally understand what you're saying. We left that historic preservation part sort of as is, because the discussion sort of materialized recently. So it doesn't mean because it's not reflected in the conference of plan that it's not something like Councilwoman Elwood mentioned that the city is going to look into and pursue. So we'll definitely look at it and we'll take this list that you provided and see how we move forward in terms of the overall structure of those two ordinances. And then my other comment was on page 108, and I know this is probably not changeable, but Aberlius spelled wrong. And I'm just wondering, can we fix that? Change it. Yeah, and then on these little pages that have all of the subdivisions, we've added subdivisions. I get this word cloud would be difficult to change, but could we put a little dot, like I can add it. So what do we do? What do we do there is we include all the subdivision in the character in the room there. No, I saw that. And it's the side of the base room, the harmony home meeting there. So can't go Manual adding them so I can do full o8 okay cuz I don't think there were that many but yeah like the people that were here tonight They weren't in the original one correct, you know so Bayard which is near me. They're not in it So I just thought that that would be really cool if we could Because that seems to encapsulate the entire community rather than just what was reflected in 2018. But otherwise, my biggest thing was about the tree ordinance and I did wanna give you props and we can never let you leave John's Creek. You're here for good. So props. All right. Well, I won't go. my fellow commissioners comments that you guys did amazing jobs my first time and you know, thank you so much I'm just trying to understand how the process works. So I have a few questions in that line First is that you know, we saw that demographics have changed considerably Asians me being also in Asian is now 38% right? So I know you guys reached out in different events and everywhere to for the surveys and only three Asian people came out, like were there any specific efforts being done just towards the Asian community to go in their events or you know just to get more engagement from them and get them involved in the process? We it's really a timing issue because we started a complex processing may and we try to take into, like, take into as many events there is at the point. So we try to go to an aging event but unfortunately there's now specific ones at a time from May to July. So, but if we do a complex update which is normally a year long, we will definitely go try to outreach the city to aging as well. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't necessarily targeted in any which way to a particular sort of segment of the population. But it actually should have been, you know? Eventually. Yeah. So sometimes some groups are harder to sort of engage than others. This time what we try to look for from an engagement standpoint just because of opportunities was more from an age standpoint, life stage also. That was the target initially for this. But in the future, yes, we'll try to see if we could do more of that. Okay. Other related question is, is the comprehensive plan updates go along with the demographics? You need certain areas where you have heavy demographics formations. Do you have special things around like this is 40%? So you don't have to focus a little bit more on those. Like for example, around Magnus Ferry, between Abbott's bridge road and Magnus Ferry, it's a heavy concentration of Asian population right we have you know roads are not really jammed in the mornings and the afternoons Magnisfree is still a single lane so you know with comprehensive plan updates do you guys take that into factor that okay this is now coming up to 40% and these areas needs you know a bit more attention again you know just in model point but just want to understand how these things work. It's just like overall so first of all we did recognize the shake react area which what you describe is heavy aging So it that's one of the three communal area which aging population is higher than Caucasian population However regarding our like future, regarding roadway improvements, we don't take a specific race into consideration, but we do provide information under demographic. Yeah, because just seeing that, this like average bridge road, John's bridge in the back and Magnus, very, very high, there's a lot of issues with the road work, right? I mean, we don't see a lot of spending. I was looking at the chart there, right? Correct. So if you look at the city project for transportation in the next five years, you can see it spread out throughout the entire city. It's normally based on demand. And the high priority list is wherever the most issue exists now, like 141 on state bridge. It's no really a racial based on. Yes, yeah. Okay, I got it. So the next question I have is regarding the parks and facilities. We see that we have a lot of, which is good, we have a colleague creek park, 400 acres of parks. We're still missing like a recreational center, like what we have in coming everywhere, where people can go indoors, do a community hall where people can do rent for events and like a basketball court and some like that. We don't have a recreation center. Is there something you guys are thinking on the line? So yeah, so I mean there's been ongoing discussion from council. They had that discussion initially with the recreation and parks master plan. That was one discussion point. The other thing is just sort of like land space, which we have limited space. And there's also multiple priorities. And so that's a discussion that's still ongoing with Cali Creek, because there is an existing building. Where they're looking into potentially putting in a maker space. where they're looking into potentially putting in a maker's space. It's purely based upon somewhat feedback from the public, dollars, the feasibility of it, and location and space. Really, so all those variables are taken into consideration. Not to say that it's not possible in the future, but right now it's a discussion item. It's just nothing's really set in stone, but I think it's something that council will continue to look into. And one of the actual item in the park is a dog park. We don't have a lot of, you know, that's part, you know, we have a lot of owners, dog owners, you know, with a lot of pets, but we don't have a lot of small, like how, you know, a militant has some small pockets for dog parks. We don't have that kind of stuff, right? We have a wall in Newtown Park. Yeah, we have one in Newtown Park. Right here. Yeah, yeah. We have Newtown Park. There's potentially other ways we could control for that is private development with those types of features incorporated in it. I know I think Medley was talking about some form of a dog park somewhere. I think for them to do something which is a good idea. In some way, I think some various uses of recreation be it for dogs and their own, you know, owners and dogs, not dogs and owners. And also for residents. But there's different methods in which we could sort of apply that method. And another item I was seeing was that we don't have like for the community facilities which is basically city hall, the fire stations and stuff, we don't have any dollars for like zero dollars and understand how that works. But you know with the improvement and more hiring of our you know police department, fire department, do you think we'll have you have some kind of increase in the facilities we need to increase the space for the, you know, like our police department or fire stations are fine, we just build a new one. But it's not accounted for. Yeah, I mean, we're looking into it again and it always comes down to availability of land. And where we can locate because there's also a response time frame that has to be met a based upon location Yeah, the other thing is we're looking to a council is actually discussing right now in terms of potentially applying rental fees for rental of some portions of city all Council chamber being one and then the other one being OCE conference room where they have the work session So those are certain ideas that are being sort of, again, discussed and being involved over by Council. I have one more question around. So we talked about density that we're not loading the density, like, you know, or maybe increasing the rest. You know what I mean? Like, you know, we don't have that. But have you factored in, got the surveys from like big employers here, and Emory and some of them to understand if some of the people they are traveling here into these big companies would they want to come and live here in Johns Creek and would that bring some more of these requirements to you know, for road congestion or you know, have you traffic people started to think about living in Johns Creek. So if you guys done some kind of survey with them, have you met with the bigger employers? Yes, so based on the data show regarding whoever traveled to John's Creek, if you compare the professions, they are in comparing people living in John's Creek, normally the restaurant workers. So therefore, while the issue we heard again again from Emory and our colleagues, a lot of the employees who walk here, they couldn't really afford to live here. That's one reason why the diverse housing stock is long, long elements we have discussed in COMPLAN. Okay. Yes, with the new company coming in, the process scientific, right? So that was my question. Yeah, other than that, I think I said, I'm trying to say I'm happy to be part of it. And thank you so much for doing all that. Thank you, Mr. Katz. And I have one more question. Yes, I do. If the or when the entire plan, this five year comp plan is built out, is there any review by the city or will ARC do it to confirm that water sewer capacities and other infrastructure can be accommodated with the build out in John Tegreek of the five-year plan? The normally again, the company is a, big picture, citywide document. So normally we do work with Ford and County Polly walks orders through regarding capacity, but nomads based on rezoning basis. So they come for a rezoning, they come for land disturbance permit. We will go talk to Ford and County regarding do you have enough support for the specific developments? But content, it's very general, it's too big a picture to diving to that regarding the water and through a capacity. Thank you. So I'll just add one more thing to that. There are different agencies through the state that again, maybe consolidate under like a DCA, EPD. So we have a North Georgia water district. Water water district. And they're the ones who actually do a more master planning from a water standpoint. And then also, Fulton County is the one who would do more from a sewer master plan study on their end. So we try to mix all those aspects in together. It all comes down to timing when we're doing an update and that information is available and how up to date that information may be. And hopefully when we come to the next five year cycle, when we do the whole refresh of the more revamped comprehensive plan process, we'll be able to incorporate more of those elements in there. Follow up on that. Should Johns Creek need a new pump station? Yes. Potable water pump station. Do you know does the city pay for that? The county or the state? Or is there a 25, 75 match for those kinds of things? It really depends on the situation. What I've seen thus far, sometimes it is a private public. And what I mean by private public, it may be a private property owner or a developer or user that also benefits the larger sort of public aspect. And so it would be more Fulton County, not necessarily John's Creek, it's Fulton County. Because the fact that water and sewer is an enterprise fund. So it's Fulton County and then sometimes there may be again a private entity. That's also part of that upgrade. I was just going to add one quick comment was that one of the things that struck me when you did your review with us was that the population growth annualized since you did this last time was only 0.9% in John's Creek, which I was really surprised at how low that was, but with all the movement, you might think that with all the houses going on and on and on, but the net growth in John's Creek annualized each year was 0.9 less than 1% which is kind of interesting. If you look at the data is from 2022. If you look at the data from 2010 to 2010, here it's much higher growth. We just slowed down a little bit at time, because this has a lot to do with land scarcity. We don't have enough land for new development. So. Thank you, Ms. Chen. I'd like to make a motion to recommend approval of the comprehensive planensive Plan Update. Second. Second by Commissioner Katzen, all in favor. Motion passes 5 to 0. Thank you again for all your work. Department of the updates. Yeah, so we need to get back on that discussion. I know I owe you a couple of dates for us to talk about different building elements. This was one of those holdover projects that we had to work on first before we jumped onto another one. We still do have that revitalization plan that we're working on for the intersection of Medlock and State Bridge Road. Working currently what the status of that project is we had the Sharet that designed workshop and took the recommendations and feedback from that session and they're creating our consultants creating renderings and certain sort of plan elements for different segments of that area. And so hopefully when we get a draft we'll be able to share that so that you have advanced sort of notice, understanding review of it. So it doesn't come to you as a shock when we bring it to the planning commission. So as sort of that time frame sort of works out a little bit better from our schedule, I'll definitely send out some time for us to discuss. The matter that we brought up, that was brought up I think back in June. So hopefully I'll probably try to give some dates out in September. To be having any cases for the next month. So we have no case schedule for September. And then I don't, we don't necessarily know right now for October and necessarily but we haven't heard anything for October either. So if anything changes will let you know but definitely September there would not be a meeting. But however, one thing though, that September 6 meeting is not needed. We may need to do a special call meeting for the revisation plan. And the reason being there's only one council meeting schedule for September, so that schedule really offsets the timing that we take back to council because if we did September 6th, the council meeting is September 12th, so there isn't enough turnaround for them to truly get in depth with the review of the revisation plan. So our hope is we'll call a special call meeting, I'll send out dates to you the planning commission members See what date works best and then that way we could go with the council meeting in October Great. Thank you. Thank you. I'll make a motion to adjourn Motion carries meetings adjourned