I'm going to start on our own. Okay. Hello. Hello everybody. This is the Beverly Hills City Council special study circuit. Today is Tuesday December 8, 2020. It is 2.30 and we will start the day off with all community cases that we have any oral community cases. We do not. We have written to the case of non-generalized. No, we do not have written communication either. And do we have any comments on items A1 through 4? We do have 1 written comment on A4. Okay. You know what we'll do? I'll try it one three three. We'll do A4. You know what, we'll go on for our one-three-three, we'll move the leg for after that, I'm sorry. Okay, so this afternoon, it was my pleasure to recognize six recurring city employees who have dedicated their careers to helping the community and their capacities. So our Community Services Department, we have Marilyn, Ken, New York, and our public work department, we have L, Pazkis, Pazkis, and Errol, Tune, and Tony Gargillo. And from our community development department, we have Eric, Kiske, and Aaron, too. We are grateful for the incredible dedication and valuable service they have given us and congratulated them on their retirement. Now I will turn it over to Vincent Boyd, the department supervisor to say a few words about the Institute of the Department of Staff. Starting, floor of the director of our community services department and now our assistant city manager I welcome Nancy Pancabee as well as our library administrator here at Youth to say a and think about some others. First of all, I'm in a state-owned directorate committee services for any ranchers to host our lobby care. And why the services administrator and me to say a few things about Maryland. I've known Maryland since I came to Berlin almost 13 years ago now, and it was my honor and pleasure to work alongside her on a daily basis up to last year when I became a assistant to the manager. Maryland began her career with the city of Beverly Hills in August 1996 as a part-time librarian and then moved to become a full-time children's librarian. There are many children and grown-ups as well in our community who great-here is Miss Marilyn, since they know her from many story-error the passion and dedication to the library community. I've seen as reviewed books for these library journal for many years and passed out on the Caldecott O'Or and Newbury O'Or committees, which are the highest awards given each year for the children's votes, which have the best illustration and the best story. I'm Karen. in the best story. Karen? In 2008, Maryland was promoted to the Library Services Manager. Over the same public service, while super-spirited in her career, she also became a regular feature at the farmer's markets of itself. And she is part of the regular history kind of event at the City-Aborated abhorated preschools. There are many travelers who are going to miss Miss Merrillin. I believe that be loved by all who can in contact with her and throughout her 24 years of service has inspired people of all ages to keep learning and to keep reading. Merrill, it will be sadly missed, and I wish for the best moving forward on your return. Thank you very much, Glenn. Merrill, from two thousand, we really appreciate the service. Sorry to see you though, but I'm sure that your return is going to be a happy one. Now if I could turn to an Howard director of Public Works from I'd have seen, to see a few words about how Harold and Jill are. It's a great pleasure to be back on three very valuable numbers of our Public Works department. I'll discuss this. not only three very valuable members of our public works department, Alka Stas, Harold Siena, and Frank Dundelo. How? I want to ask all of us that with you. Um, so, we are working with us in town, July 30th of 19th of a water system work, or what? I am not guilty on a certificate of welding on the state of Oklahoma, and worked for so-called water-carpening of the service. In 1987, hell rose one or two into the many jobs in the Indian trade-ings in certain countries. But by hanging the admiration on the struggle of fear, hell is never going to have afraid to get a stand-up from pop-up and challenge. He quickly became a trainer to new operators, teaching them through their daily responsibilities. He always got an experience, dedication, loyalty, and commitment to each class, and had always looking to improve and be the best staff possible to facilitate the recovery of health. And you'll be me as bravely for your hard work and seeing poem and how to make sure everyone in your college will turn from state to state. Thank you, Bill. You will see me be missed and we appreciate all the part. Is that available? We appreciate all the work. Is that all available? So, we don't see it online yet. You see Tony? I just want to say thank the city of Belmed, you have allowed me for 30, 30 years. I had a great time, met a lot of knowledgeable people during their careers. And I just want to say thank you all for everything. And I would certainly miss this, love to the city and everybody. And I wish to were the best, the new pan-dimicating event. So I wish all of your family members of the low-worn state-state and foster music. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. In the fall of the fall. I think that was a wonderful time. I mean, that was a wonderful time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, it's February, 1998. I met the General in Care, and was known as the Stoneys Nerves in 1990. During the 31 years of dedicated interest, Tony St. Broding, every area of the NASA so-called NASA in the day is in between the buildings and the facility. Tony demonstrated with problems on some skills when working on various projects and seeing it and involved in scale setup and formation. Tony was always reliable and controlled, always having a good idea with any class of practice. Not to mention, he also became a mentor to many of his peers who worked alongside him in each day, and then we did. Tony will be missed, and well, as a child and feel, and how you'll be inside and not only will you see that. So, thank you, Tony, for all of your hard work. And how, you know, with enough free group, those fellow veterans, 19 and you two, and we're focusing on going really with a big team, our own support with a big part of donating this time when people needed it and needed it. So, thank you for all of these gentlemen for that hard work, and thank you. This is on behalf of the Council. I thank everybody for their service. We miss you, we will miss you, and we hope you, we will miss you, and we will be enjoying your required. And finally I'd like to invite our Director of Community Development, Susan Huikki, to say a few words about Eric and Aaron. Good afternoon mayor and council members. It is my pleasure to congratulate two very valuable members of our community development department Eric Cousetian and Aaron Cooke's. Eric began his career with the City of Beverly Hills in 1988 as a senior plan review engineer in the then department of building and safety. Not long after, Eric was promoted to supervising Plan Review Engineer with the Department of Community Development. Eric has provided significant contributions to the department, mentoring Plan Review Engineers overseeing building plans and construction documents and conducting field engineering compliance verification for construction projects. Eric has been recognized for his supervisory skills, his technical and institutional knowledge, and has also demonstrated a very positive attitude toward work. Eric has not only earned the admiration and respect of his colleagues, but he has also developed long-standing relationships in the community that have benefited the department as a whole. You will be missed Eric, and I thank you for your hard work and service over these years. The second person I'd like to recognize today for his achievements is Aaron Coons. Aaron began his career in the city in 1994 as transportation planning manager. Aaron was promoted to Deputy Director of Transportation in 2001, overseeing the transportation planning and traffic engineering program. Throughout his 26-year career, Aaron has served as a staff liaison to the traffic and parking commission under four different department structures, community development, public works, transportation, engineering, and transportation. Aaron has also represented the city on the Westside City's council of government team that prepared and adopted the 2004 West Side mobility plan. Some other notable projects here in his managed include overseeing the Santa Monica Boulevard Reconstruction Project design efforts establishing the city's first bicycle routes on Berkwey and Crescent Drive, establishing a tour bus zone and surveying a scaffolding onto the 18 residents mass classic committee that unanimously approved a report recommending metro stations on vacations. Aaron also helped the city generate $110,000 in annual savings by restructuring the city's transit services, protecting seniors and persons with disabilities. Aaron, we will all miss you and we both you and Eric, a wonderful recountment. Thank you. On behalf of our entire community, thank you, Maryland, L, Harold, Tony, Eric, and Aaron for the combined hundred and eighty-four years of success that you have provided to the city of their murray nose. Thank you, and you all have a very happy retirement. Okay. Okay. Going on to item number A four do we have any public comment on A? Yes, indeed. But would you like the presentation first? I think it will be a real good idea. Hello, good afternoon. There are members of the council. I'm Gabrielle Gap, Deputy Senior Manager. Today I'm here to discuss my exploration of creating our own city corporate health department. And I saw it in the next slide, please. So, as that ground, this I can't even know because the L.A. County Health Boxer had ordered a provision on outdoor dining to address the COVID-19 surge. To take a fact on the buzzer spate that immediately before things get me. At the December 1st meeting, the Council approved a resolution research to take effect on a buffer spike that immediately before things get me. At the December 1st meeting, the Council approved a resolution and from this word of pleasure to the board of supervisors requesting immediate repeal of the coalition in asking for more data and science behind the decision making. At that meeting, the Council also directed staff to explore the possibility of creating its own public health department for more control. And I'd like to... In terms of the authority of the authority and duty to provide public health services and a point of public health officer actually lies with the city. City is a main cross-staff with the county and if you look across California, the majority of cities have government. With the exception of three cities, which are passivated along the beach and Berkeley, the rest of the remaining health facilities have decided to contract with the county. The ship really started to get based in the early 1920s. Primarily because they saw that health was less of a city issue and more of a regional issue. In terms of our own history, we just contracted with LA County for over 60 years. For the health officer duties, we just want to note that they, in terms of COVID and their powers, they have very wide-reaching authority related to preventing clean football diseases. Nice slide, please. have very wide ranging authority related to for any clean physical diseases. Next slide, please. So as you can see, the health officer requirements of the city were to appoint its own health officer. The health and safety code 101-05 speaks that the person must be a medical doctor. And the health officer's roles and responsibilities to expand the 29 legal codes, comprise the California codes, which to name a few would be the health of safety code, the government code, water code, business and professions code. There are quite a lot of attributes related to this particular position. And also is noted in the California code of regulations. So there would be a lot of research for us to be looking to, this health officer's role, because there were a lot of, where the role of responsibility is somewhere also like a couple or the, have you ability to do some things? So the city would need to decide, you know, at what level for those more dispassionary items that they wanted their own help officer to be involved in making those decisions. Next slide please. So the California Code of Regulations 1276 does list the very basic services that a health department would have to provide. So these include public health statistics, for example, like the number of births and deaths in the city, health education programs, being called communicable disease controls that just coded, but also the control of tuberculosis and FCDs, insurance and communicable disease control, the city would also be responsible for including adequate isolation facilities. With the medical nursing and social and other services to promote maternal health, environmental health and sanitation services, easy to include programs and was a fairly sensitive, such as food, housing, water, veter better control, air quality. For populations over 50 thousand, this need would have to provide laboratory services. Basic services would also include services in nutrition, chronic disease, such as diabetes or heart disease, and what is prevalent in the jurisdiction that the self-department serves. And also services directed to the social factors affecting health and services in occupational health. There would also have to be services in the field of family planning and public health nursing services. So this city, staff, if the council chose to, could further research, you know, creating our own full service department or seeing what services may be available still at the county level, even if we wanted to, acquire our own health officer or see what may be available in other nonprofits or other governmental agencies to take on some of those functions. Next slide please. To give the Council an idea of the cost of running our own public health department, we call for numbers from Ella County, Pasadena, Long Beach and Berkeley. As you can see, they are very wide-ranging. First of all, we want to see a look at the population. So you see that the population obviously with county it's going to be much higher to knowing people. All the way down to Berkeley, which is 121,360 people. The way they structured their departments also varies widely. As you can see in LA County of Pasadena, they have a public health department so we focus on that. Whereas in Long Beach, they combined it with helping them in services. And Berkeley, they didn't combine come in with housing in the services. So those may have some impact on why there may be such a big range in terms of the city variation in the cost of providing health services. So that way we would have to look at breaking that down a little bit further for more detail. But this try to assist to give you a very general sense of what is possible if you were to create your own health department. Next slide please. One thing I do want to add related to the cost is also there is a significant number of fee federal funds involved in providing health services. So a lot of this, you would further have to break down. You'll know how much of it is actually being coming through like grants and other funding sources besides general fund services. But typically, I know with the county and with some of the larger agencies, there is a significant number of grants and federal funds, so it requires a lot of administration of those types of funds as well. So next slide, please. The timeline. So in the Help and Safety Code 101-380, it states that the Council will need to adopt the resolution or ordinance and serve as the cert by copy on the Court for the Board of Supervisors by March March 1, 2021. And this would affectuate the date of July 1, which would be the earliest date that the county health officer services determining and the city could actually be getting its own health officer services. So if this was mentioned for us, I think the current prohibition on dining, unfortunately this particular statute prohibits us from being able to believe it would be for July 1, 2020. Next slide. The options we have before the Council are to receive a file this report. We could also do further research on creating our own full service health department. We had research and possibility of a hybrid health department with a city health officer and continuing to contract with county for some services if they would be willing to do so. Research and contracting functions with other entities such as other agencies like another city, or a nonprofit, or contractors, or looking at GPA for court decisions that would be interested in partnering, and creating a regional health department instead of using the county department. Next slide please. And as I say, open it up for questions. Okay, I think go see the programs for the first. I guess we had one called the line for Michael Newman. Hi folks, I guess I'm getting to be a frequent call or I'd rather be a frequent lawyer. Anyhow, this is very interesting topic for me. I really like the idea of having our own health department. I'm glad I wasn't at the December 1 meeting when there was this discussion about using that as a way to get around the county to have offered dining but since the outdoor dining issues been elevated, I think to the state we're not going to be having that for a quarter while. But I do want to mention this though, the idea of having the county prove to us that it's not okay to have outdoor dining during COVID is really based on statistics. Those statistics are based on testing. And two elements of testing that are very difficult for us to control is wonderful tourism. We can check people into hotels for all these hundreds of people who come for, you know, 40 days to make sure they're okay. And then our daytime staff, which is pretty huge, arrives from all over the county. So it'd be very hard to keep track of their testing. So all of that really is our own residence. And I'm sorry to say it's not a great perception, and I don't really support it, but it seems that we're not enthusiastically encouraging our citizenry to test. If we did, then we have more confidence in the numbers that the county publishes, and, then we have more confidence in the numbers that the county publishes. The county could have more comfort in trying to use our numbers to figure out the risks of having an outdoor drawing, for example. In other words, their science is based on testing basically. So they would come back to us and say, well, you don't have really after numbers because of all the visitors you have in your daytime population. So that said, I also did something about the budget for our own health department, which, once again, I think is a great way to idea it. John had a really good idea to bring back the health task force. I'm sorry, the health task force. And I think we could get the health and safety folks involved. And I don't know if it's a very rough number, but anyway, Pasadena cost is 15 million, 558. If you match up our population or divide their population from our population, I'm used to really probably an accurate number, but it would cost us 3 million, 889,000 to do this. Hopefully we could keep some of the county services it would make it you know less expensive and the only other thing I just want to say and I only need to be critical but when you folks start opening up this idea of opening up the outdoor dining you had already at the beginning of COVID, voted unanimously to follow all county and state regulations regarding how to handle COVID. So on this topic I am just about finished. I know it's another few topics that are very interesting for me and I'll get back to you later. Thank you. I'll get back to you later. Thank you. If I can just say that with any other public comment. Yes, we have one written public comment. So, then please go ahead. Okay. This comment is from firm Siser. In the midst of the worst surge of this pandemic, it is hard to believe that my city council passed the resolution opposing the resolution opposing the LA County's decision to limit dining to take out only. It is even more inconceivable that the Council is considering creating our own health department in Beverly Hills. How short-sighted can that be? The County Health Department has a myriad of responsibility, which it carries out well, and a huge budget to fund those responsibilities. Does the city really want to run its own health department, setting up a new bureaucracy to drain the resources of the city and lose the expertise of the county health department? Would it be better to help out the businesses in our city that are suffering now with some direct funding than undertake an expensive and unnecessary experiment in setting up its own health department. I would strongly support the use of emergency funds from the city to help our businesses through these next few months. There is a light at the end of the tunnel with the vaccines which seem to be available and which the city should urge all of us who live and work in Beverly Hills to take this in the end in the comment. I conclude public comment on this item. Oh, Huma, I just received another public comment. Do you want me to go in and read it into the record? Oh, please. Okay. This is from Benjamin Taylor. It says, you're mere free gaming health members. I'm writing in regards to this decal State Council resolution passed on December 1, 2020. In protest of the temporary health officer order, issued by the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, the resolution called for its final declaration of the federal health department for the city of Beverly Hills. The implementation is that you want major public subjects to your women'safree. This represents a dangerous political and its disease in is not even political. Chief Justice John G. Roberts wrote in a recent concurrence that officials should quote, should not be subject to second-guessing Biden. And quote, I'm elected to the Holy Fishery, unquote, which lacks the background competence and expertise to discover that. The same principle applies to this council. I urge you to stop undermining the independence of the partner partner in public health and to be very vigilant to it. Okay, so with that, we will move to public comment and if I can just keep it up, part of the reason that our state council works and explore having our own public health department was a decision by the way of how the public health department to new hourly, after they had limited outdoor dining. And in our resolution and my letter to the board as supervisors, we felt that it was the pre-crest and it all conceived. Today, there was a hearing before the Cal Haunt and the original receivers department in the Superior Court a hearing on the California Restaurant Association versus the County of Los Angeles Department of Public Health. And I wanted to read some of the calls from the tentative ruling of Judge Calhoun. Close, the department was the major department of public health. The department's own data provide no support for the planned shutdown of outdoor restaurant operations. The data grants all non-residential settings at which three or more laboratory confirmed COVID cases have been identified. Of the 204 locations on the list, you will then 10% are restaurants. Of the 2,250 seven the thought on the list, you are then 5% originate from restable. As you saw from Gatties, Catholic or a comment, one of the duties was gathering information. And it appears that this to one-tell from them by myself that there certainly was a lack of follow through on that first item, which is a public health officer's responsibility. So with that, if we can go to California Member questions, comments,ing with Dr. Both. Thank you. Again, I mean, I think it's a great that with the cities and the town and the services that the town built the farm provides for we feel is true. So it's very important to talk about it. Do we know what people will use to those services? Well, we do, and property tax, and the county takes about 38.5 cents off for a general government services. We did wanna see if we would in turn be able to get some of that money back it for some reason we started our own. At this point it doesn't look like it but we can definitely research that more but it doesn't appear that it's broken out where you know a specific amount goes to helping human services. There are a lot of general government services that the county provides and that are covered by that portion of property tax. Well, like we said, I say like that, you know, it's not that good, but you can. You know, so do they still have the same amount of income? That we have to research is it depends on what their, what the amount that they received from the county is, I believe those breaks were set at the time of incorporation for each city. So we can research that more and see if somehow it differs from the other cities. Like if all of these in Hashtagina each somehow be a different amount versus the other city. It was interesting to me that by the time I saw the first and second we wanted to share, we were after the second and second we wanted to fire, we had to fire, I have to believe in some or an amazing equation in our cost and public health. So I think we should now continue to figure out what that whole number is. But it would be nice to be able to know how to break that down so that if we decided, if we decided to move forward and we decided that there was some sort of season that we can't rely, that we have some sense of always to be great guy and we should figure out what our car could be. I also think that the end as part of the exploration of this was something we should be. The question is this in all or not, it's in honor. So we have to take, if we have a talent, the bottom of the health, do it, they have to do it all or are there certain services that we can reserve to ourselves and they would do the rest to do something which they would have the second force of it if they wanted to destroy it as I'm taking where I'm taking, which is what we want to go over ourselves. Who they say, no, we're not going to provide the rest to the services if you need to be all provided, all the services. So I think it would be important to know what the threshold for those sorts of decision-making are. I think we all know too what places like testing and a long week of doing that and how knowing that they're not being listened, if they're being who are done in servicing. And I think too, I mean it's embarrassing, but ultimately, we found ourselves in a place where we had our own office and we're still getting some servicemen from the county. The county still not being doing in those concepts. So, we'll, we'll have to balance the case and, um, I'm not sure if he's benefit at all. So, well, what are the opportunities he's carried by mandates? Um, you know, I would say this impact that's needed, or I think it won't be time to know, I would say this is in fact a theater or a theater, but I would prefer to serve it right when we really are partners in that to see the theater. I think too, I had an conversation with the mayor of Cartier Colisey, your mayor, who is an inverse and a more regional view of this graph, but we can get another two or three of four cities to get a poor economy to listen, seeing what we might do. And on that, how about no problem exploring that, although I didn't see it, it made an increase in difficulty in that. And for us to follow it, it's a very narrow focus. I can say that they are very passionate about, you know, also their way, but they, of course, is all about, we're only being zapademic and we have to make a bet and continue and can break and provide us with the service, sleeping in the bar, and so in fact, we were joining and seeing that was coming, but at the work of the set, we were challenging how we clients there, how we was all in allocated and where the implications, you know, of cross-population health here, where we deal with, you know, that sort of, very soft, it was a fair part in that so-and-art. So, to receive that set of molecule in this, we may have slight rate of impression and where is it. I think we have to understand how we get to it. I am saying for one of the same things, that there will be a single graph, so by the way, it's interesting. There are things that we can do, but I think about where which is a PhD. Today, the question I suppose would be, if we did form it for some of Malgo, APA or other reasonable cities, do we have one-house offices for that? Or do we just get they have our own, what would be the rules that would guide that? So let me say the top, we'll make it a bit. I'm supportive of our both exploring and ultimately creating health service and support of our residents and our businesses and our businesses that I said this for a while, really from the onset of the Indigenous Medicine and the growth of our entire part of our medicine and community medicine. I think we had an opportunity to do that. I really believe that we've begun this and to it, we have added social service support, some mental health support. And I think that being seen will continue to grow in the future. So in the bend-off, in the bend-off world, we have our own technical department. And all day we say that we should be growing those researches within our city, and even though it doesn't come to the level of having our own public health of things. So it's not an absolute favor of that, and a total favor of that, and I'm a little bit favor of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, thing to do. The list, you know, certainly is provided by the cabinet, is pretty lengthy. And I think that it will be both difficult and extensive for us to absorb them all back to control or control that. And so the trace is saying, and nobody is medicine. And I guess it might be easy to read the first lesson that's in the city here on the hospital, I guess, to get up. But for us to be able to have an infrastructure where we could, have our own birthday, I think it's a death experience. I mean, those are things that I think would be a, a strong threat for us and, and there are lots of other things, all the educational programs that were expensive to create and administer. And, anyway, I'm not convinced that the cost of getting the grants would exceed the grants. That's it. Because we were here on grant office, we'd have to be looking for them and happy writing them and happy competing with them. So I think there are some hoops in that kind of computer. You know, I have a support of it, and I think we have to be realistic in water power abilities to keep this really warm. So I've also seen, from a rising grass to the center size, that we continue it, starts with a completely understanding of the services provided by the county and what they're costfully lined by line, but so much of costant. Wishing those services that we really believe are important for us to have control over. Can we extract those from the county? And itself, is there the cost savings at the same time? What is the cost of creating those services? And to begin with, that's the process. And the sign while we think that this public health service will look like. I granted it with an driven by the county's danger that closed out the world. I think now standing from a total amount of that, I think that the court didn't begin that that was, in fact, an arbitrary act. Now, of course, we have the same mandates that move, but I think that this is an issue that far, far exceeds that. And I think we're going to do a meeting to progress in a very soft way. But you might fall in fact, this is the kind of thing I had resources and staff. And obviously if we want to do it, we want to do it well. And well, what is it really going to look like? I'd be curious to see who else, not necessarily the California, but who else has gone about creating a public health service for the NOAA. But we were also about creating a power-girlfriend with a foot in the lower. We're the cities in that lower, we're the cost and things open. But I think that's why I think I want to highlight is that we have an opportunity here that's important. We try not only with physical health in the to the social service network, and all those things, when, and I really think that we see the focus on those moments, people are thinking of the end of the day, and the cold was gone, all the rest. The only thing we can take is we can be tracking a lot of the off, but I really do think that these only things are much more important and will have a long term benefit to the community. I actually do think that those things will be well must better than the counter. I actually do think that those places where we are, we spend a lot of time in the federal law. I guess they need my time to show up. I'm going to have a baby baby. Thank you, Anne. Dr. Boy, I think you're not correct. Although the doctor of Ferrer is a PhD in PhD, and he is the director of the health, I think he has a the panel, I think the official of Dr. Muncie Gages. I think Dr. Sler has been the face of it, but Muncie Gages is the one who signed on the health officer's report. This has been lying. I'm not saying that I'm going on to also member boss. Thank you Mayor. A couple questions. So in this report it says that we entered into agreement with LA County about 60 years ago with five year agreements that was last signed in 2016 and excited in 2021. So my question for you is what's in the city view prior to the success years? As my understanding that cities had their own health department and we had to look back to seats, we looked uply-hospital, but from our seats for his office, it was over six years ago when we did a resolution or an incident contract with the county, but prior to that, it would have been the city that would have had its own health officer. Well, as we know, our city is in Beverly Hills. Yes, because we've been around city for over 60 years, so I'm just curious what happened before the 60. So it would have been our own health officer. Okay, so at one point we have a health department as what you're suggesting. I think that here is the exact resolution getting over health authorities in make healthy was a little over 60 years ago. I'm not sure, and we haven't had cancer research, what happened before that. Whether we actually just contracted with a county, and there was no actual notification of what the, whether there was an requirement for a health officer at that point. So I don't think we're quite sure of what happened prior to the four, six years ago. Okay, I'm just curious if we could get that information that they could be interesting to know. So basically currently our contracts are, you know, every five years renewed. And the next one is expires in 2021, which as, you know, as we know, every five years renewed and the next one is expires in 2021, which as, you know, as we know, you know, if there is direction from this council to move forward, it's going to fit time and I agree that if it works, you do it, we need to do it right. So, what question to you is, if there is direction to do it, are we able to not do a side-zero contract? Or if we have to do a side-zero contract, are we able to leave within the five years if we choose to do our own? Well, the finder contract that general services agreement is actually a very broad agreement that covers not only the services, it just is kind of a standard agreement that you have with the county to be able to provide general governmental services. only the services, it just is kind of a standard agreement that you have with the county to be able to provide general governmental services. These are separate themes from like the shares, which would be a specific agreement, or you know some other, or if you had fire with the county. So this federal services agreement would still be in place even even if it's out of date because it is just meant to cover, I think the plunder of other services that they provide to the city. Oh, I think George has a comment. And as you may recall, Housemember Bosse, a few years ago, many of the four in the few years ago, we did, we severed a relationship with the county for annual control services and went with the city of Los Angeles to be contacted with them. So that was an amendment to place through this process or in terms of the agreement. OK, so is the answer during these next five years is that we would renew that we went within the number of years we decided to go on our own and certain aspects we would be able to do that? We would need to verify that, but if something that we have, I believe, have in the recent industry. Okay, so again depending on where my colleague is land I would like for us to verify that we'd be able to do that. So we're not locked in for five years if indeed we do decide you know within the next several years to go out of on certain aspects of the health order. Can we pick and choose what we would want for our own health order, give our health department? Well, the countries that listed the basic services tells you what would be the minimum that is required for our health department. There are also a significant number of statutes related to the health officer. So we would have to provide the services. We may be able to confuse what we might be able to contact out for, like if let's say there were certain in nonprofits or other groups that may be able to provide like a certain function, like certain programs or services that maybe we might not want to do in-house. There's an opportunity there to put together this part of it, how you would like to do it. We think first need to get, I think, a better understanding. Looking is much more depth, you know, what would be required of us, you know, on top of those basic services and really looking at what the health officer position entails because as we discussed in the staff report and the presentation, it stands so many governmental codes that we really need to take a good look at all those. Because some of them range from clearly, you know, the authority or the duty, some of them, you might have the approval or consultation or collaboration. Yeah, so there's some areas where it accounts like you might have more discretion that the city would probably want us to get the want to be involved in those, or if the next answer probably holds to be involved in those cases that shoot. So those are things that we look at, but I think there is enough to take it possibly together to part of it, that you would like to see it, particularly if you want to contact part of it out, or do it all in-house. So you'd have to provide what assistance in those services. And we would want to walk this way. And there's nothing to prevent us if we want to partner with other neighboring cities if they wanted to as well. But it doesn't. I think there is, well, we have to see how a major restriction would be defined because if you partnered with neighboring cities against more deductible questions, you could one-half officer serve multiple cities, could that be considered a jurisdiction? Yes, more than maybe how we have like the West Bank, you know, where these cities are member cities. So that we could look into, I I think there's a possibility that that could happen like through the GPA or some other sort of district. Okay. Great. And then I recognize that today's meeting was more of an information and direction meeting. But I think you're hearing from at least two council members that there's some questions that would, you know, one answered. But I absolutely agree that we should continue to explore this. And from my perspective, you know, people moved to our city for, you know, police, fire schools. It's a beautiful city. It's a healthy city. And we're proud of that. And I think, you know, when it was our city's 100th birthday, and we were starting, you you know a whole new hundred years you know in the B.H.L. the city we we always prioritize ourselves and I think that we need to take it to the next step. So for me yes you know what what happened with with the restaurants brought it forward for us to talk about but I think that we have shown in the, certainly in the last few number of many years that many of our choices that we've made as a city in terms of leadership that both is a priority. So for me, I believe this is the absolute next step in taking us to get out place. You know, we're so close to Severson and UCLA hospitals. You know, we have so close to see the sign that you see away. Hospitals, you know, we have medical doctors in our city. And, you know, I think that, you know, we, we want to be among the healthiest cities in the world besides just police violence schools. So, I think it's a tremendous priority and I feel that we need to explore this and not only explore, I think we need to explore this and not only explore I think we need to find a way to make it happen. I think it would benefit us to also include our health and safety permission to also include our medical task force advisory in helping shape what makes sense for our city. But I think this is definitely the next step of taking our city to the next hundred years in a healthy way. So I support this whole hybrid list. Thank you. Thank you and a thousand of minutes. Thank you. So I really want to be the healthiest city, but we can't even enforce our mass coordinates yet now we want to create our own health department. That makes a lot of sense. Let me ask you, Gabriella Pasadena, the whole thing was he could keep the restaurants open and the state makes the man our restaurants open on Pasadena. I don't believe so, because I think they would still be under the state health order, but I have to verify. They're not. They're not. That's the answer. We're a folk who are no doubt. Today, you know, so we want to create our own health department because it's a calculated bad decision that we don't like. I do want clarify and Benjamin Taylor suggested that our resolution calls for us to explore creating a health department. And I don't think that's true. That was the council decision that was not part of the resolution. The resolution asked for us to hold the county state for the fire for us to ask them which is the data on which they made their, they base their decision that we've done without data. And I think there's a big difference there. You know, yes, we're hearing the discussion of our creating our own health department. And I still consider it as an amazing last week to be a major overreaction. That being said, I think there's certain things that we discussed before, like nurse participation or things that we can do to the health and safety of our residents that we can do without creating our own department. But the sound of the matter is, I think someone mentioned before that, you know, health was not distinct as a very local thing and that's very true. And then it doesn't, you know, it doesn't get filtered or stopped. But the board is a readily help. So I think we really, you know, no major believer in local control that I am, but quite frankly, this is one element where we should be working on a countywide basis and we should avoid bulk in his agent. And then you look at it, asidina has its own department for 1892 and Berkeley has it for 1880. And these are legacy. And you know the notes in that, even those cities are four or five times our size, long beaches, you know, 14 or 15 times our size. The notes in that it's city of 35,000 people with their own health department. In a curvy with 10 million people, it doesn't make sense. It just doesn't. And then look at the policy. So, let's, well, before we do let's look at the cost. And we know that things are not seen here, and we have full cost recovery. And some of the restaurants were allowed to be in the interior. Let's have our own health department. They're were allowed to be in the interior exam. They said, we're on health department. They're not going to be too happy when they get their inspection fee with cost recovery and when they said it paid 500 bucks or whatever it is, they're going to be paid 10,000. Because that's what it's going to be extremely expensive. We know you don't have economies to scale. You lose that. That's just the reality. We don't do things on the team. We're, you know, prone to spitting a lot of money, probably a lot more than we should. But for the policy perspective, let's say we do have our own health officer. And what happens is our health officer makes a decision about the restaurant's or the residents or we help like. Can we fire that person? Is that the policy? I see all sorts of problems. And as said, we can find one thing for a rational perspective, and we can also find just the pop that was slightly tough. I mean, it gets up to us. We put it to the cannoting I listen earlier before that I thought we should something we could have done our own contact tracing and there was absolutely no insistence in the panel of council or no it's just a county state to do let you know let them do it and okay and they make a decision that we we don't what I didn't say we said be looking at, we should also inform our discussion about this. Supposedly we're going to have a meeting of our COVID advisory force. Let's ask Thomas and Fielding, who was basically Barbara Ferrer for the county before to use an MD. What do you think? Let's ask some of these other experts what they think. I think there are other ways of doing that. I mean, the dose of the J.P. to me will do respect the Santa Monica and Culver City and West Hollywood, I see them on the call of artists who are so diverse that, unless we can control that, that is a very dangerous precedent for those that of doing something with them, truly indecidably before their interests are, in some cases, wildly divergent from our own. Doesn't make any sense at all. That being said, the South Bay, and again, I would staff would have presented this to us because I had to find it out on my own. It wasn't mentioned last week. It's not made to today. But the South Bay actually sent a letter to the Killing Proposing that they had to divide up the county into smaller areas to avoid a one-size-fits-all kind of solution. To look into it, allow some localized decision-making within the Killing Framework. As a me, that makes a lot more sense. And this overreaction, major sort of, we're gonna create our own, you know, we made a decision, we don't like it, we're gonna create our own apartment with the city of 35,000 people. It's from my perspective, a little bit, and they go, they go, they go, they go, they go. So I completely agree that the county moves. I think our job and the correct response would have been what we did, it was to try and bold the county's feet to the fire. And clearly, we were talking about joining the lawsuit. There wouldn't have to be accountable. That is a good thing. We said, but a much better solution is to look at what the South Bay has asked to work with the South Bay. And to try and get a regional kind of more approach with more localized decision-making. So that is contact tracing. So that there were parts of the county where outdoor dining was a severe issue. They could take measures there without impacting those areas where it was not. It really needs to be evidence and data driven and that's something that the county would say. I mean the county has what? Their budget's over a billion dollars. They have over 5,000 employees. They do a broad scope of things that we just simply cannot deal because of economies of scale and I think in this, our goals to be not to just film our noses at them, but to help them work better and more efficiently. And in a way that is going to be beneficial to the entire county. And as I would ask the staff to please look at what the South Bay did because this is information we should have had from the get-go because it provides, I think, a very viable alternative. Doesn't though if we don't know about it. And, you know, I think they sent the letter and made concrete suggestions. You know, I just believe that there are certain things we can instead continue, you know, or pretend you're the odd men and supplement what the county is doing. I think talking about your own concept facing would be extremely valuable in all areas, pinpoint and Beverly Hills where the cases are, where the disease is spread the most. We have over a thousand cases of COVID in Beverly Hills. We have 11 deaths. I do believe perhaps we should be publicizing that. We should probably be, as the families are willing, having moments of silence for the people who die, of COVID and barely knows. And probably the most important thing, but again, I'm guessing that the doctors, such as fielding, Ages, the Solstice and so on, soundler will continue to say that wearing a mask, social distancing, and enforcing those rules are among the most important things that we can do right now. So let's focus on basics right now. And I think unfortunately this is a little bit of a distraction from what we can and should be doing right now to get the spread of the disease under control and to take a leadership role. I get it. We may or may not be more to hit some other cities in the county or whatever, but you know what, winning a race from the bottom is nothing to be proud of. We've made zero arrests for psychacens or maybe one after the fact as some of these super spreader events that continue to take place in our state and that's where we can start. I think you know, we're going to be taking this seriously if we really do want to be the healthiest state. Thank you. Thank you all. I feel the good. Is it true that currently to the best of our knowledge we pay no incremental amount to the county for the services that the county provides? Is bundled in with other things and we have no evidence that it's central pull out? Is that true? Yes, that's true. George mentioned one time that we shifted, maybe it was animal control services in the county to the city of Los Angeles. Did we get a rebate from the county because of that? I do not believe we did. It was the summer in the services. So economics is not always the answer that we want is to promote the best health for our city. That doesn't mean that economics is not a concern. It sounds like there isn't an incremental charge for this, and if we review this ourselves, it would be quite a lot of money. If we were to take the middle range of e-map per capita that was presented in a report, so it takes something in the middle $200 per capita that would be said in $1,000 a year. We think things that work while we can be so in $1,000 a year that amount doesn't, again, economics doesn't always drive it, but economics is part of the evaluation. Is it true that we would have to be required at a minimum each of the basic services that was listed on one of the slides? Yeah, for example, we would not be allowed just to have a single person when asked if they might be that with the exact phrase was but our health officer or something like that. You can just have a single person in that role that you guys are called a health officer who might be able to save your restaurants, be open or not be open, we could not be limited to that. We would admit them and have to provide it to one of those basic services, is that the Tuesday? Yes, and I think the part we are meeting to research more is how you would provide those services. That could possibly vary with contractors, but it appears that you would need to provide. But we have to provide at least that. We can't just have one person with a title. Do we know what ability we have to pick and choose among the other responsibilities? Our report says that there are 170 distinct roles and responsibilities that Ellen had to department of health takes on. So that goes well beyond basic services. Do we know if we have the ability to pick and choose? We raise up those. We can slowly, you know, if we jump on the basic services ourselves. Do we know whether or not we have the ability to contact with the champion and provide the rest of those services? Okay. So that, we would have to look at the statute. Still in the attachment, we saw a list of, where those folks lied, where the health officer, requirements, and so we would have to look at each individual statute and look at that if there are something that we have as present as of now we don't know. Right. Yeah, we have to really research that just because it stands so many code. Right. Also the things that we know and we don't know, we know that we contracted with the city, with the country 60 years ago. We don't really know what was in it before that. It's out to statement. We don't know that we had a health department before it. The only thing we know is that we contracted 16 years ago for these services. Perhaps we had no formal officer in that role. We do not know that before we had a health department. Is that a true statement? That is true. We would need to look into that more. Right, so we said to assume that we wait for having our own health department to contract with the county. We don't know if we ever have our own health department. This is an error in which significant expertise is needed. And it could be challenging expertise at different points in time. And so you need a certain scale to be able to have the people that would cover that range of expertise. Now, L and Y is large enough to have that range of expertise. I question whether we would be large enough to have that scope of expertise. We can have that expertise in the case of the rare areas that they convert the entire scope of expertise by question whether or not we can do that. I also think that keeming with others does not provide all control. We don't even know if we keem with others, whether we would like the decision-set those of us would make more or less the decisions that they can't be with me. You know, let's say Pasadena is an example on the foot of Mount Pasadena, but they already have an open apartment. If we were to tune with Pasadena, they'd send money so that we could share in their services. It's not clear whether we would like the decisions that we with whatever boat we've had at Pasadena would come to, whether we would like that any more or any less than L.A. County. So I think that teaming with others is unclear whether it be better than staying with L.A. County. I have a member of Marist mentioned the economy of scale. And based on the nature of the services that a health and health department provides, I think there is opportunity for economies of scale. They're all contrasted with our decisions that have our own police and our own fire. Those in my line will scale more of the size of the community. It's not all that you need, the additional resources that you need with scale more of the size of the community. I think you can't be a health department, but the nature of its responsibilities does have more opportunity to make the of scale than clues to advise, or I think that's a separate decision, as to whether or not we benefit by providing our own services. Also, agreeing with Council Member Rares, it seems to me that public health is something in which you want coordinated action. You would like decisions to allow for things that reflect low conditions. It's true that not one size fits all, but at the same time by the nature of public health, you need reasonable coordination. Viruses don't know music, music, probably boundaries. And if all of L.A.K.D. were just to be a chamber board of Jason Orders, it would make it very difficult to respond to something like this pandemic. One wants to reasonably respect local conditions, but public health in my mind is something that does benefit by regional coordination. Dr. Gold and Council Member Basie and does remember he has no memories also about that we as a city like the Promote Health and I absolutely agree of course we do. But there are these separate questions, are we better off having our own health department or do we want to do things to promote health? It's not necessary to have our own health department to do things to promote health. And actually I think it would be wasted effort or your unless evidence is presented that it wouldn't be wasted and my intuition tells me that we would be better off concentrating our resources on things that can are more directed at promoting health in our city than building the bureaucracy of our own health department. The nurse practice in a program is great. Our support is standing in. That doesn't require a health department. Traffic accidents, pedestrian accidents. We could probably do quite a bit to try to reduce those. That doesn't require a health department. Promoting healthier lifestyles. We can do a lot to support that. That doesn't require a public health department. I'm not sure what the bureaucracy of a public health department gets us. Then lastly, the reason that this came up was because we were unhappy with the decision that County made about restaurants. What we've heard then no matter what decision we make now, that's not going to affect that. That's not going to affect the authority that County has over our businesses right now. We could not have our own health officer in place with a few in 2021. So there isn't an immediate need. There isn't, or that doesn't present an immediate need. I think our own health officer would not provide a solution to the decision that we disagree with. And so I do not see this as a high-parent priority for us. I do not see this as something that's immediately helpful. I think we would be better off spending our resources, time, expertise, efforts in terms of specific things that would promote health in the city as opposed to building a bureaucracy around a public health department. is around a public health department. Okay, thank you. So, I think we all need to see realize that this was a very week ago and given, I think you did an excellent job getting the information together for us so that we could take a look at it and make a decision as a living out who I look forward with the same thank you for that. So creating love and bureaucracy on the them to make that kind of decision. And as Gary said this, that was one of the primary responsibilities of the health officer was the health officer. And then when they come up with the fact that there are, um, fewer than 10% of the overall locations were restrooms and only 5% of the culmitation even originated from the rest of us. You really have to question what the county department of health is doing. So you know, if this is a wake-up call for them, so be it. I have a couple questions. Um, in terms of a fight for case of the duties, I have been able to get into that, what these who could be that we could want to protect and have as a responsibility, right? Right. And some of that, if you are looking to still have the county provide, you know, would involve possessing with them on what they would be willing to do as well. Even if you could, you know, there's also the part of they've been willing to continue servicing us in certain functions. Well, isn't that a obligation now? I mean, we heard some words that with bio-fertrated animal services, we're still getting all the services that the county provide to us under the content of this agreement. So, I guess I should go to the point where there is a lot to be looked at in terms of what could be by repeated. What we have is the statute that looks laid out in there as to what's required. And we can talk about that. But as far as I think the threshold that Dr. Gold was kind of referring to, I think that's the part that is a little unknown to assist to it. What parts do you want to take in all of it versus part of it? And that's something that, you know, if we as a council decide we want to further explore that's something that you would be able to live in, right? Yeah. Now, there has to be a call officer, a county's providing key lives. I'm not necessarily suggesting it is just by way of example. If we tell for the health, hopefully, these in our health faults, would be a lot to do there. You know, I think I might have to turn that into Larry, because I think there's been some question about whether or not a city could basically contract out their service to another city. So as it stands right now, it's provided that the city can provide its own health officer or an intractor they can't be. that the city can provide its own health officer or it can interact with the county. That's not to say that we can ask for change in the state law and would allow us to contract with another city. It's not to say that we could appoint our health officer and then contract with another city to have staff serve both of us although Berkeley would be a little tough to get the distance from everybody else knows that we could explore that. It's possible you would need to really exchange in the state law to share staff, but I think that we would probably need to change in the state law if we're going to utilize someone else's health officer. Mayor, can I ask you, question for clarification then? Of course. So in response to one of my questions, I understood that there were certain basic services that we had to provide, and that we could not just have just the individual, just that health officer. And so to welcome briefly answer the the man who's question, who would we just use a health officer from Berkeley? Or would we have to gain all of those basic services from Berkeley? So it's possible that we could appoint, we have to appoint a health officer. If possible, we have a little bit into it. But we could appoint the same person as the health officer, Berkeley. So I don't know who the health officer Berkeley is, but we can presumably appoint him or her as our health officer. And then, presumably, we would have to provide those services. And the question is, how can we provide those services? Right? The basic services you could perhaps. And again, no one's done this because I think there's three people who are free cities, who have housing apartments that have had them for many years. I think John and Efeated Hill were back to last century for two of them and I think long be just equally. Absolutely back to the 18-literals. Yeah, I think, excuse me, yes, we could contract for those, if we could contract for those services and how we could do that. But Larry, are you suggesting that, like, you know, the Queen of England is also the Queen of Australia, that we have a personal union of some of the leaders at Health Officer, that's certainly not the same as saying that we're going to just subcontract the pass of data or see Berkeley or Long Beach. That's a very different situation, which is that. That was my question, and the reason I used Berkeley was because I did want to implicate any local government, if it's the place that I have and it really goes to the point. I think it's a little bit more exploration. I think we're still at a high level and I'd like to get maybe one lot's going to get some more information. I think it really is really something we're listening to to make it we could assume all of those responsibilities that were listed. It is required that they help us, right? I just think that the process, and I know Vice Merundra released an average of, the amount cost for person times our population, which was $6 or $7 million. It's probably much higher than that. I think, by smart and wonderful, if it's a wedding after the annual basic costs and then it starts going up to NAMFU, you know, I think we're in a significant range of costs. But I really do have an interest in having some more input as to seeing some of those health officer type decisions. So that's really the other question I have is what input is in view we have with the hearing care department of health? Are we just a recipient of whatever orders they have or do they have any other board that sits there and monitors what they do or isn't put to them? Well, it's very our supervisor, isn't it? Well, how about us as a city? Not, yeah, we do not have a city, but there's no board that I'm aware of. But it's all expected, we'd be through our supervisor's and input from maybe their health deputy into things that maybe affect the our region. And last and last time what the South Bay is doing makes it and they said, you know, there are a lot more cities on the West Side card, but they recognize that one side doesn't fit all, and I think there's suggestion bears are looking at and taking a similar approach, which allows the community to be broken down It's other regions allow a flexibility, but not ignoring the fact that it is the vice-mayer said The virus doesn't you know it doesn't say it's not at the city borders It continues in and so to me that you know I said I Found out about this through discussions with some of my you know friends down in the South Bay it sounds like that makes a lot of sense and it sounds like we should be exploring that often too. Well at the end I think that they have made me part of the premise where I think that if we do anything else on this then this is you know and they say there's not going to go any further and that may be where we ultimately decided to go. But I still think we need some more information. You know, again, it worked a bit to the county content content, pricing. It looked as if the data that they was emissive this lawsuit was, I think, three or more confirmed laboratory and COVID cases. And there was only four local cases. And then there's 2,450 cases I identified. But those cases could have been in the individuals without their being really more people. I'm going to do that that the county failed us on the order that they came out with. And again, maybe this is a wake up call, but I still would like a little bit more information before we put this side of the net at the moment. Last dose, you think, Judge Delphone's to say that it is a wake-up call, or that he just, you know, is nothing else? Yeah, I think that's absolutely. But maybe, well, I think that's another thing. Very good. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Could we, Gabby, please, read back to us what she's going to bring in in terms of the questions? Okay. Can I have a question? I've been a long list because I take notes from all five of you. So, for me, they very many of my beats. But from Dr. Gold, I have, you know, this is all or nothing propositional. What is the threshold? So we would try to determine, you know, what point to be taken before. Taking the bottle off of all the parmin. And we'd look at, let's see, three or four C's, if it's possible, pool and the cost share, cost bill cost sharing and a company at their standing at county services. And let's see, which should be the most important for Beverly Hills, what can we extract out of, I think, those services from Beverly to that necessarily taking all the services. Let's see. I'm saying for Councilwoman Bossy, I have a hairpin that we're not locking for five years. I'm going to call up in that. Oh, over here. I can use the best of those. It's the best of those. The cost of creating. Sorry, I have that. See, the cost of creating. I, I have the cost of creating. And then, for Bossier, you would ask for that we verify that we're not locked into five years of the dental services agreement for these services, Council members, or I'm sorry, I went into it. There was more than that though in terms of myrivales. And to know also, sorry, did we have a health officer in the department before prior to our contracting with the county? But also similarly to I think Dr. Gold's mind to serve is that we can look and see if we can work with medical advisory as well as our health and safety commission to look at what would make sense if we were able. I mean, I think all of us are well aware. And I think we all have said the same thing, that, you know, our thing cannot afford, you know, basically what electronic is, but I also think that it's worth exploring, you know, and I think it sounds very similar to what Council Member Marys is saying to me is very similar to what I as well as Council Member Goldis said in terms of, is there a way to work with other cities to form something that makes sense, whether it's contracting with other cities, working with other cities, but looking to find a way that we're just not all one size fits all. So, you know, I think that's the methodology that I'm hearing as a commonality from all of us. I think we're all aware of the cost factor, and I'm just concerned, Gabby, that you are aware of the direction of what is to come back to us in terms of questions and answers that we need moving forward. So if I may clarify, I don't think what I was suggesting when it came to the South, they were going to form their own health department. They're not talking about that at all, but they want to work within the structure and the framework of the county. They want to reform within the county. And I think because of this stat which we all agree, it was a decision that was not based on stats and it needs to be, they want to look to the county to work within the county and with the county, that the county creates some claims, as you will, as some areas where they're able to organic ones, where they're able to have local input and they're able to make decisions that aren't one size fits all without asking regions or any areas for me to separate breakaway health department. At least that was my understanding of it and of course that was something that we can get information and find out what they were specifically talking about. So I think that's worthwhile looking into as well, that I'd better get through. I think that you can put it. Yeah, please. Okay. So I do have 100 council members taking the soft bait to see the letter that they had sent to the county and bring that back to the council to be able to see what they asked for and to order what you asked for. Councilor Mossing this estimate that for public advisory task force for input. Let's see. For Councilor Wendell-Link. Well, and also one last question is if we did at some point have our own, how would we isolate or insulate the health officer for political decision-making? I think I would guess we would all agree that if they make the decision we don't like, and we just fire them and replace them with some of the basic decision we do, that's probably not good policy. So I would think in theory, if we were going to go down that route, one we did to avoid that sort of often highest political decision making that may or may not look to the interests of the public health first informed. Actually, I mean, the leading to that item as well. Our council, I'm sorry, Vice Mayor W want to ask you a question. I don't see that ahead specific request for the next meeting. I don't see any notes to that, but that you did want us to look at, but that we could reinforce other health programs that would promote health and that really helps outside of this. For a direction going forward, I think that makes more sense than a set, we'll see that we need your honesty from Public Health Department. But if we wanted to explore notions associated with a public health department, then it would be questions that our comments points, issues that I know there's brought up, because it is how we would arrange for the cabinet services that would be provided, what could we pick to provide ourselves? How could we do that? And how can we arrange for the additional services to be provided? When it comes down to, could we be the ultimate decision maker in terms of order such as the one that we disagree with aspects of it from the LA County recently? Could we be in the role of that? We could be the ones to make that decision without assuming the full gamut of responsibility is that a couple of counts depends on the ground. Okay. And then Mayor Friedman, I have a work point. How to buy records in the services and what can we do? What roles can we have to take on for the health officer and what? Sorry, only a minute. It's not so. You want more input into the health officer take positions. And I think what we would have, that person would have a question to do. And I think by creating some of those services from the county role right now versus the city role Thank you again You got the dissimilar I think that we're going to give some more information on this it It's out there for pretty much all the same Area on this. So again, yeah, I'd say thank you very much for the work you did in the first time you did. And also I just got noticed in case if you heard my little beep or going off that the cell fonts can give you the room, they become his final rule. So the counties, in essence, they become his final rule. So the count is, in essence, the count is order is going to expire. They're not going to be permitted to reinstate that county order until they do the research and have the data and present it. However, it's a move pointed right down because the state order gets over and everything gets out down again. Before we move on with mayor, can I just say, although the COVID thing and the restaurants is really kind of a problem today's conversation, I think that the potential benefits of doing things go on beyond will. And I think that as we look at where our opportunities are and their costs and all of it, I think we've been doing a long view of this and beyond the world covered in saying how we envision managing the public health of our city. And there's a small city, yes. Well, I think we have opportunities here that other cities may not, but I wanted to achieve that. We're going to have to be able to look forward to that. And so I think the slide was not, you should say, this is not always about COVID. It's really a long, long-term vision for the public health, obviously. And I think we do that, as an opportunity to evaluate that goal. I always hope we get a little bit more laid out over our conversations going forward. And I completely agree, as I said earlier, we're a city that has been independent in terms of police, in terms of fire, in terms of schools. And that's like people with here as opposed to LA, breadwood, further places and health. In my perspective, it's more important than just about anything. So I do want to, for me, this is way beyond COVID. And this is long, so I appreciate that we're going to get some answers just how best, because I do believe that all of us unanimously recognize that health is first and foremost in our community and we need to find a way to make sure that, you know, not only for us, but our kids, grandkids, and future generations. So this is way beyond this global pandemic, in my view as well, so I'm glad we'll have some more answers to figure out how best to take us there. Thank you guys, but we agree with my brothers in that I could help to get out of the house. And thank you. We deserve to go. We will go on to a page of number five, 40 affordable housing development on city property as 1928, 1928 West spirit street and all of this was requested by the California American city council. So I'm glad to meet all of our members in council. I am the room for the most passing and reading panelist in the city of New York doctors. Today we are presenting on the phone for housing development as the household community and the whole city has. We are exploring the development of the new federal housing project on the city to have them. We are exploring the without end of the beautiful, well-howning project on the city of New York in response to the first 1000th flitability crisis. And the silence specifically related to poverty, the intersection of third-street and central vote, the top is seeking direction on whether to expand the scope of a fair and RST to include additional lands that could be considered. Next slide, please. After September 17th, in October 29th of, from the 19th, I'm searching meetings, we presented stuff, presented on the Affordable Health and Development process and the council provided feedback with regards to soliciting proposals for development of on-city poverty. This was not specific to the third but on the site that we're discussing today, but the third but on site was one of the two properties that were just happening. South following this direction had prepared a lot of review, understand, and get a good group of developers interesting in the project while also providing conceptual, so that we could use to further inform our next steps. But I'm referring to that out of it around the end. So these are here with the pamphlets to march. But as we all know, each of the full operation and approximately the code of the team, the release was hostile and today has not been the RFA of government. So, thanks a lot, I'm sure there have been some changes. The former tenant on the adjacent property was in 1962, was in the third street, did not renew it to the Eastern Office building and now this property is big. There are opportunities for the use of sites. However, there is also the opportunity to stay in the scope of the field, I have to include both properties for more units and a larger footprint. Next slide, please. So the current based off of initial counsel feedback, during the same session meeting, is ready to staff prepare the computer, which included the following elements and frameworks. So the first of which was focused on the 1929 the West Virginia Street property. This is the outside of the federal details saying, both are on credit union, which is, it's all the right use. So this was one of two properties that we've discussed between the two. The other of those properties are single notes, recently in the final of the top of the other exam. However, because the city is exploring assembling that property to a holiday, in larger parking developments of some kind, because of the high-equipment of actually extent, the things we thought about actually ways before evaluating this right now. So the occupancy for the development, there was for for a series that it's in product with profiles for current value of those residents. The long contribution would be expected from the city and we would do that in the form of the groundlings. The overall project of the vision, and here I'm talking about the value of standards that the unit makes and so forth. And we have a very considerable discussion on that, the value of the state groups, the unit states, and so forth. And we very much have some of the discussion on that, but in short, the idea is to optimize and then sit in a way that conforms to surrounding area of Earth for Earth's Earth. And it's then also constantly using our existing senior housing standards of the base. There's also the special, and the standard of the base type. There's also the special, I'm talking of this one, you could see it, but you can clearly, around work, and then so, at the base type. Next slide, please. So, in order to advance the status of the policies from the opinion, you want to continue to clear the same amount of the follow-up issues of the respondents, opinion of the politicians of the fondance of. They would be required to say a share of experience developing projects of the stimulus items so they'll say about that project and find it just feasible. And in order to minimize hostility also, we would want to provide us fondance to the industry but they would utilize the available outside-familious sources such as half-strikes, and so much as possible to use out-of-fifth context. We will also ask that developers create produce-indigenous for the project and to make content for proposals given by the credit fund. This will include evaluating content and credit fund state development of the and proposing the number of units, the bank units, incoming portability of standards, public meeting, offer the state to the people. Additionally, we would ask for some sort of development plan visually, orchestration of the first site in the building with configuration. To put it to note, too, that when developing these types of conceptual proposals, that developers have guidance of really solid development standards, developers have guidance of really specific governance standards in order to increase concepts that would be feasible in the second instance, which leads me to my next slide, these developments. So these are subject properties are located in public services. They're not actually owned for a relative services at all. And they follow the development of the relief and raise that applies to the C5 current zones, which has lower high requirements or allowances for other multiple cases. What we would recommend using as a starting point is our existing senior housing and owned standards, which can provide guidance to the developers. And if these cities that I were to maximize the review of time of the site, the city could also consider the states' density growth in better content failing under 80, 70, 63, which applies to 100% of all housing projects. These standards allow for certain community sessions for children, for a part of the primary increased density and increased type of the three-year snow forest. Because most of the density governance was in theory, the idea was to develop a high-level of a 100% affordable complex, wasn't the city project. This is another benchmark that the city could consider when popling guidance to the developers. And again, I just want to be very competitive in utilizing these existing things. The biggest is that developers can work through a frame of reference and proceeding. And then, but ultimately, the city is able to put a structure for more laps of finance as the same desire as we see desire is the game's beautiful. And those are things that could be evaluated as the selection process in conceptual proposals for the next slide. So the need of the question today is for regards to the state of standing the scope of the RFP. So before you, it is a national and the rest of the country of both property is, you have the small and non-humanity sites in the L.A. L.A. and the larger than the state sites in the yellow and the larger, maybe some state sites in red, as I said earlier, it mentioned I had improved in credit and in fact, in an office building, has about 12,000 people before us through the United States. And just for a frame of preference in some difficult impact, which I'll discuss later, it really is approximately $1,000 a month. The volume of your loans is the same site. It's currently very bad. It is not generated in terms of income. Although there are opportunities to use the site, and our evaluation is that it heard a chief of possibly effective grants of $95,000 per month once you consider it. Prevent periods in other than emerging sessions on the typical incommissioned fees. This site is 51,000 in some English, square feet of land, combines both sites with the Department of Safety, 3,000, 3,000 feet of land. And additionally, the visual and foreign the fiscal impact of the stadium that I've been projects as well, is that the larger office head building, which is about 20,000 square feet is a new and successful improvement. We have some base buildings, systems, and the hood of exceeding its useful life. So the city of arms is perceived as a recent 20-tonneurophen, where he saw a form of either upfront capital or cemetery violence city for additional use in sessions for the Hispanic and Purple. And that's why I think. So currently with Presumably, there was a limited fiscal impacts related to conflict fees, which for all of the new United States and countries, are the same as the age that has emerged in terms of our assets, our assets, with our funds. We will continue to evaluate cost for the city and the RFP of those on. Right now, our analysis, however, and fortunately dependent on the styling of the product, because that the city's expected capital culture museum could be between each $16 million dollars depending on a number of factors. And we've broken the style of the cost and high cost in the areas looking at both scenarios for scenario construction costs, high quality residential construction. However, that is the cost for those of the areas, as I've of the COVID-19 use of the COVID-19. We identified three different thresholds. The first is 60 units. This could, in theory, be limited to only the small number one to many of the types of the credit unit. Although I can likely be a very large thing, development, you could potentially get up to 60 movements. Evolved your one, I mean, positive in this lecture, it's a possibly 300 units, this will encompass the entire, the entire of the craze of both properties. And then, these like of the middle ground, this middle ground will still, while in my box, if you would still require the use of both properties in the demolition of the existing improvements on those properties. The cities for talent, the development that we're just being selected, if you're seeing that have, is likely being between these two numbers and for utilizing a lot of properties, but you wanted to have the sense of the costs on the lowering of the steering arm and on what could be the higher of the steering arm and on what could be the higher nicely. And it is worth that we are seeking much side creeps. So today, the specific question is showed to the site and consideration also from the larger United States, they were still just an athlete. And we are also seeking the same direction on a few of the older terms of pathat, the first of which is the RFP-related pathat. So proposals code usually either you'd by staff and then presented a state session. You'd of course do an analysis and present it for the Council's discussion and consideration. We also have a better understanding of costs and the type of projects that code is built. And the next one is, any imperfecting accounts on the other e-gater's practice. So based off of previous direction, this point that the account code is very close to the engaging of colors, the greatest, the most possible for everyone to waste. And see what kind of data is that? to the greatest of the possible, so that everyone can be voiced. And, so I'm pretty sure that prior to the sessions regarding our few sponsor studies sessions or some other series for public meeting, the city provides letters to stakeholders in the vicinity of the project and is listed in part. So the wider community of the ecosystem in the history and the specific communities. I would also like to reference the report from the early 90s at the commission of the Lithuanian city that I have substantial community involvement as the council may recall in the party of the 19th, 30 session, meetings. A member of the public had actually proven to be the work from the 90s. Affordable housing in the state. The city appointed a committee to review a number of aspects today that's really not just developing affordable housing, but I am such a great stabilization. It's a very broad scope. And the committee came up with some recommendation. And so this format has been something that we've used in the past. And it could be something that we could have been for in the future. And so, again, this was a report from the great youths and they had to charge for the city and inventory the verbal housing rates. And the city in surrounding cities, through being transor, portable housing, and the effective, for being city and state regulations, which is of course a changed since the 90s. We've been releasing the general, reviewing the data of the audience also, the salaries of people of the country, the followers which have changed substantially since then. One thing that this made also a world of the earth and that men was that the city should utilize its own names and what they called the industrial area of the city which is an area we're considering now for affordable housing. It's also considered engineering and so on. So, the joint project will be the dollar for a material also currently in the context. Also, next item, allowing for the state and evaluating the state, and see the analysis, other areas of the world, under the free reference. So, in the event that a proposal works, you match the agency on a site, we could use the state and some of those of us potential friends of reference and we'll discuss one of the first. And of course, any other project in front of us that I can't say the desire to live. And these are the elements for security direction on, I will say that I'm joined with a representative from our community throughout the department to discuss the balance of the same dates of her questions. We also have happy head on affordable housing and for the kinds of worships that we have here. And then John Douglas, who is familiar with the city as a requirements related to the numbers of the region and how long it will be possible. So they've gotten a little bit of a frequency of change in the world. Mayor, can I set it up before we go to questions? Go ahead. And I guess public comment. So I just wanted to say, and I know that this has been, there have been discussions for a while with the council, but we recognize the need for affordable housing. Here we have an extremely unique opportunity. You know, the need in our city, I think, is greatest for seniors, or to housing, so that our seniors can age in place. I personally, those seniors in town who are forced to sell their houses because of the taxes and upheats costs. This would be a perfect facility to allow them to stay in the community, and I think that's what we want. I think personally, obviously, in the support of a larger project, I think it's, we should be bold, it's transformative. We should be looking to create if we can 300 plus units of senior support housing, which is not the statement that we would make to HCP, but it's also doing the right thing. I think John Douglas will probably tell us how important this would be for us to get our housing element approved and for our rea effort. You know, I hope and think that we can do an RSU or an RFP with some of the wonderful affordable housing providers out there including next door to us, the West Hollywood Housing Corporation and allow them to look at this to do the raw sense and say, OK, we understand what you want. You want to be visionary. You want to be transformative. Here's how we think that we could provide that. And allow them to then provide initial concepts that we can, as it can also, with the community look at and refine and reach something as that ultimately that will be something that the city needs and that will probably be as that one of the most when it comes to affordable housing. Important things that we as a city can do and have done in probably the last four years. So I really appreciate your identifying this. I'm glad we're discussing it. And I really hope, especially considering all the talk we've had about Rea and all of that that we're going to move forward because this is more than just rezoning this will actually create actual real units housing units for our seniors so they can stay in our community. Thank you. Okay, who will come go? Public comment on this. Yes we do. We will go to our video callers first. The first video caller is Jesse Slansky. Please go ahead. Thank you. Hi. Good afternoon Mayor, Honorable Council members. My name is Jesse Slanstian, the president and senior of West Hollywood Community Housing Corporation. We are a community-based nonprofit organization and we've been building homes and providing services that would community members from insecurity, to stability, for over 35 years. I strongly encourage you to inform or live additionally in RFP. This is a once in a generation of opportunity I strongly encourage you to move forward with additional and hard feet. This is a once in a generation of opportunity to make an event and address the housing needs of those left behind by the market. We closed the hill in October 2018. Over two years ago, we were in unsolicited proposal for this site. If you had gone forward in October of 2018, but the proposal that we suggested would be under construction today, time is of the essence that stuff based in time. Let's move forward. I am so grateful for your leadership and your support of affordable housing and we're ready and willing to help however we can. So thank you very much. Thank you. The next video color is Doug Cope. Hey, thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak today. We're going to work with the North Housing Foundation and represent Beverly Hills Senior Housing. And we have been doing no income senior housing for the past 40 years in Los Angeles County and we're in the city of Beverly Hills partnering together for the last 30, almost 35 years through Red Bull Street. This is an incredible opportunity and we too are very interested to work with the city in a way possible. And achieving this wonderful point and to bring in more affordable housing for seniors. That seems to be a sign of the venue which looks forward to the work of the citizens. Thank you. Next to the phone colors, Mr. Michael Newman is still handling. I could have Good afternoon again. This is a monumental time for this council. The council is doing a great many monumental things so far. The whole way that the menstrualization situation turned into a department, turned into a commission, is monumental. This council is going to go down the devil's history for many monumental projects for Seoul. In fact, my wife and I are living in a home, and our plan is to rent that and then retire into a retirement complex of some sorts and stay in Beverly Hills till whenever it's done. But I feel like I can just say about this is this is my favorite topic and I, in that best aspect of it is the mixed use. I'm part of it. My wife and I lived in London in Notting Hill. And there was a street called Portable Road and it was filled with mixed use housing. We were actually living right above a beauty salon and I can't look forward more to seeing mixed use and this is gonna be a great way to do it. Thank you all very much for making this a very important moment. Bye. Thank you. That's Carlos, Mr. Mark Elliott. Hi, great afternoon, Mayor Friedman. I'm a member of the State Council. I want to thank Governor Lemurish for his leadership on the specific issue. That kind of vision looking towards greater housing, affordability options, and better the health, but I think we really service all around. I want to thank Councilor for discussing it today. So frequently, I'm contacted by TAN, some really seen TANs who asked about aging in place options. They're looking for affordable option that concern they'll be displaced from their home or up for a style because the security costs are living generally lags, consumer prices and the risk that the loaners can't be shrank. The question is always, well, what are the options here? And I always have to explain the really important thing to the options is the one development of the Miller housing complex that was mentioned. But as the waiting list on that opens once every I don't know six years and there's just too much demand for it. So I'm glad you're discussing it. When I look around and I see all park structures I don't even notice the tax on these structures. It's a tax, a city council, a maran city council that approved that park structure. It's that case ago. And I would love to see this city council members, names on an affordable housing complex, sit on city land, cost of city finance, in other city direction. I think there would be more and more steps forward to better detail than I hope, just the first of many such steps. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I can please public comment on this item. Okay, I am. We're going to have a stop at around 5 p.m. Unless you are still meeting otherwise. So if we can start with a few of the member, go with questions and comments. OK, well thank you Mayor. I want to ask some questions first. So Logan Page too, when you showed us the average cost, you put that up there and we can look at that. I'm just one second. You can go on. I can see too many of them. The world's show up is in the picture. Okay. I will do that. Not for the end of the year to the item six. Today's goal, if anybody was anticipating being on the phone on that item, we're not going to make it. Okay. We'll move this slide after this. Or maybe two slides back. Keep going until we get to the money. There you go. So Logan, this is a low end estimate, $135,000 for a low end unit. Is that anything near what it would cost if this were just a regular old apartment? This is asset land, that's the ECU on the line. Please, please chime in. Is this, how does this compare to building an apartment, just a regular apartment? Keep in mind, this cost per unit is actually the financial gap per unit. So the actual cost per unit, which we have, that haven't divided, is without land. It's $383,000 unit. Okay, so to build the lowest cost unit we could build. And the gap just for the public is the difference between what we're likely to get in tax credits and what it's going to cost us to build. Tax credits and finance and current. So 300, what was that number 300 and? It's 380 for doesn't't without the cost of the land correct So if I just wanted to build an apartment building Would that cost me that same amount of money? Yeah, because our low end estimates or you know or calling the average cost estimate would be like what comparable Westside city cost for an apartment would be and the high end is more like a market rate of apartment would cost in Beverly Hills. So the average that's a perfectly, you know, is a project. It's what you expect in West Hollywood or Colors City or Santa Monica. And so but there's a different standard of in Beverly Hills. That's where we ran high cost scenario as well. So what you're using on a cost per square foot is it $500 or $1,000 or $1,000? What are you using as a number? Okay. So any average scenario, just our residential building cost to rent they are $450. So the $300 of foot you're anticipating, unit sizes, what's the average unit size for that? Okay, so unit sizes are, we have, yeah, let's do that. We have, okay, so right now, the way they're programmed, we have 95% of the unit to 1 minute or 415 feet, which is the senior standard in Logan's report and 5% are 2 better minutes at 700 feet. But do the math center make Kathy? You have $500,000 to $300,000 of foot. Mm-hmm. How does that come to $300,000 or $1,000? Because that's only the direct building cost. So when you take account just in direct costs, we have an outside improvement allowance. We have an outside improvement allowance. We have sub-ite improvement allowance. We have a subterranean parking cost. We have contractorsies, etc. All of those direct costs. Those add up to $419 a foot. And then our indirect costs and financing cost may have the balance. And I can tell you that they are in just a minute. So the indirect cost are $200 and $2 a foot, and the slaying and diss are $38 of that. So I trust you, Kathy, but that's an offering. I mean, I'd be curious to have a developer of regular apartments and give us an opinion on that kind of costing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But in one of the ones that we want to comment on is the cost per square foot for small units is higher than the cost per square foot for larger units because all your units have a case in a bathroom. And so you're advertising those costs over a smaller area when you're averageizing it as 450 square feet. So that's the per square foot. These are one-reel again. Added the $383,000 foot. I'm sorry, per unit. I think if you look at projects that are being developed in West Hollywood and in San Monica and Oklahoma City, that's right around the sweet spot, actually, for what's being built. Even on this agreement. You trust that market rate. Yeah. And so those are apartments that are going to rent through 5,000 a month. Seven to 10. Turn a half. There's a big difference between something that's going to rent at 7,000 a month and something that's going to be low income too. No, this is terrible because it's been my experience with affordable housing that the communities are working in, one, the industry at least is nice as the market rate units is not nicer, just because A, it's a policy objective, but B, for community support. Realistically, so you've figured into each of these units how much impact credit? Okay, so on this scenario that we're looking at right now, the one, so the cost for this product, the 16 units, which we're talking about now, just for revenue to $23 million. That's the cost, that's the construction cost with no land. The tax credit benefits that we're coming up with are $7.9 million. Okay. benefits that we're coming up with are $7.9 million. Okay, I want to make one comment about that. We were using Gerard of very conservative approach in this because one, and we discussed this before, all of the funding sources that are available up in the state and the county right now are all targeted to holistic permanent support of housing. We we model this is a 4% tax credit project. There's a decent opportunity that you can get a 90% tax credit. It's very very competitive and seniors are the least competitive of them all but because of the standard that the tax credit to me has been built in the last year or so, areas with high land prices and high incomes are getting extra bonus points now in the competition if they'll do affordable housing. We just didn't want to win in it. generic analysis like that. As soon as we could get 9% per cent per cent, but if you could, then they'll be significant reduction in the cap. What would that look like? I would say like, three or four million dollars. So it's not the difference. I mean, in this case, the gap for 16 units was 8.1 million. You could probably get a going to have to bond. Well, I mean, I think we're going to have to general obligation bond in some sort to do that. That's the only resource that we really as a city to be able to use. Other than paying care, I run a bank of this. We do that. You know, you think you are from sort of a bond, but you have to keep in mind that your ability to bond is really based on your general fund. Right. And so this would have to be fit within whatever our remaining bond capacity is. And I think George, correct me if I'm wrong, you told me to the 200 million rate. Something like that. That was an estimate last year. Yes. As you've gotten better, it works. Probably the lower, start getting a little disinstaing today. You guys, I have't take this on certain. It's really probably right back. Okay. All right. So, this bonding, this general obligation bonding, whatever it is, would be, let's say, in a guest, whatever our overall bonding capacity is. Yes. Okay. I'll be... How like that? I was very sorry. Okay. Does... Kathy, does it matter? Does it... Does the site that is sitting on? Is that any part of the cost of this project? We were doing the same thing somewhere else in the city. Again, the land is a sub-cott. Would we be the same price? Yes. Same that. Two doesn't need any network. It is the same. A better network. Okay. In your experience, the fact that there are no amenities here, that to get some amenities you're going to have to of walk if you're able, or else get a car or a phone service settle. Is that an issue or as you see this kind of development? It is an issue generally. It's also an issue with the funding sources. They're very interested in being sure that there's, you've got most of it within enough distance for what the taxpayers require, but they're very interested in being near a market that does press code use. And having parks and schools, et cetera, not for seniors, but there's a list of amenities that they basically want on these projects. This site is close enough to meet those standards, but your point is well taken in terms of walkability. I think if we were to make a decision that we wanted to bring those services to this site, it would probably would obviously be on the ground floor of it. How does that change the equation that it does? As a general rule, especially on the site like this, which isn't really a commercial site, it's not a retail commercial site, particularly, it is a best-made spray-t even, so it doesn't add or subtract from the gap. But it would subtract from the area in which we could put housing. Correct. We assumed, we assumed an analysis that would have ground, some sort of ground, floor, non-residential use. We just didn't assume it would either have to or subtract from the gal. Okay. What insurance, the appropriateness of the site, how high it's going to go, how many of it, until that kind of stuff, that's all baked into this at the ground floor, will probably not be residencial. Correct. It's our subject, it will not be residencial. Okay. So, when we talk about C- senior, this may be for Logan. When we talk about senior housing standards, are those the same standard or maybe Kathy Adam? Or is it the same standard that the existing Minoar Project has been built to or are those older, too old? I was actually not able can speak to those specific questions about specific questions. My recollection on the open stuff is that in order to associate construction with workers, ceiling housing, farmers, the people that I don't know and so it's a human human. Okay, and if you're going to do the research, I'd be curious for some of the more modern newer developments that we have sunrise on Crescent, and we have Watermark on Clark. I think those all came after, they may be a different destination. But to the extent that there are some bases of comparison that it has to be all be low income. Not correct, Kathy. Yes. So the chances are that we're going to do that, I think, are small. If we're going to build this, I don't think it's all going to be low income. So what is that through to the density bonus? Well, there's a couple things to discuss about that. The first thing to discuss is every unit, it's not low income. It will not get to our spread its floor. Now we may be able to target them at a grant so that in Beverly Hills case that may make the difference. But our spread can only be achieved up to low incomes. On the density bonus, the density bonus in low goes report is a special density bonus that was recently added, which is 100% bonus and then the three story height increase. You as the city because it's a city owned property can establish your own density standard in your own height and F&R standards. And then, and apply them, if the reason that Jesse Morris was mentioned in the staff report was just to give these in the context of what's out there in the world as they're being done. You're doing, you're going to start on 100% affordable because you're on a city property. So we would allow another three-floor. Is it, they mean to get here just very soon. So in terms of it here just for us to do? So in terms of that, how does that cost out if we added three floors to what was otherwise a four floor building? Versus building out the second building at a lower height, how is that? What's the mix of that? The worst thing I've got, what's it got about starting stories in F and so one story of commercial and then four stories above, you're going to have a story of stories in essence, so one story of commercial and then four stories above, you're going to change construction rights. And you can change when you change construction in front of it. You can assume that the cost will go by about 20 to 25% when you go to that next level of construction. So that really does become a determinant from your develop for a community too, is they'll make a decision as to where they think that the density-sweep spot is, What has become a determinant from your development for a community too is Bellmaker's decision as to where they think that the density-sweep spot is that they'd like a forward. The other thing that plays in is the transfer that it has eligible basis limits. And so if you build them in a cost, which is typical, build them in a cost more than the eligible basis limit, then that additional cost that's been heard by some of our getting transferred. So there's a lot of mixing in management needs to go on. OK. So Cindy, are you on the line? Cindy, so be honest. So you're going to believe that you've got to go down the line. OK, Cindy Oles. So, Dr. Bollinger, I believe that I'm an actor, but I'm on the line. Okay, Cindy. So, I know you reflected in the staff report, and I just thought if you'd take a minute or two, I can talk about contract cities and what they're talking about. I can add to it, but I just would like you to give the framework for it, but I just would like you to give the framework for it, please. And actually, Dr. Gold, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff, the staff? I'm happy for whoever, I think I saw, I don't know who was on that call with it, but if you all were getting by on me. Oh, hello. Hi, Jenny. So, contact cities can be housing subcommittee to try to come up with the proposal to find affordable housing. This is really a response to trying to find a solution that focused more on local control, especially after the state, had done, you know, trying to pass a lot of lives with some of that. You're trying to do housing in a way that really didn't give cities for any state. And so the housing subcuminous come up as a proposal that would mandate every city, put in money to a regional housing trust fund. And cities could become member agencies and participate in a program that would be able to tap into those funds. And in a interesting component of that year, we thought would be, could be applicable to Beverly Hills assuming this legislation is passed, is that there would be a tap be applicable to Beverly Hills. The thing in this legislation is passed is that there would be a cap and trade function. The idea would be that this housing system would take a more reasonable approach versus like how Rita has really, here's a name like city by city by city. So the housing system, your cities could tap into that money if they were going to do a visual housing or a affordable housing project in their city. And city is that other cities that you think of them like I've been in the same club or whatever JPA however they decide to set up kind of these things in regional cities would be able to possibly get rena-pronounced and exchange. So these would all be a great upon diet the members use within that specific GPA or blog. This item is being presented to you, Ben Allen's office, his office is reviewing right now. And they're waiting comment from him as well as some committee consultants. And they're hoping to take this in the next round of which, please. And in the next year. Yeah, as you have done clear, Ben, but now I'm from a carrier, but he is looking at it. And so they're chopping it around to see who we carry it. So I'll stop at the moment. Let me say that I'm supportive of doing this. I will also tell you that I met the guy I think, Well Tower, who I think are maybe the largest senior housing providers in the world who have expressed some interest in this. We've heard from Kathy and from others that the economics of this are not dramatically different if it's for profit or not for profit. So we're going to put out a lot of things. I'd like to see us cover the waterfront and put it out on both sides of this. My instinct today is I don't see it dance forward to do the whole project. I just think the numbers are staggering and if we only have $2,200 million left to bonding capacity to give the land and another $60 million for this I think is going to really stop us from doing other things that we want to do at the same time. So I'll say that we shouldn't do it at some point, but I think as we begin, I would probably be in favor of developing the first site. I would actually be in favor of building it higher. To accommodate more units than we might otherwise accommodate it, I think the properties around that would support it. And I think we can perhaps get a little bit of both of them cost us as much as building on both sites, but it will cost more than obviously something that arose. I'd like to see what that looks like. I think as we put this R, be out and ask people, the experts on this, you know, what should this look like? That would be a question I would ask. But I think my instinct at the moment is, I don't mind spending 10 or 15 or maybe even 20 million dollars to do this press the land but I think I've got to get into just in the 60. So thank you Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I will try and be quick because I know you want to stop the fight between and as a customer member, Goldradi asked a lot of the finance and money questions that I was going to ask. So what I would like to ask is the community input. When does that occur? I was touching. So right now our thoughts are actually made. So we have something more strange about it. We can see another value here, the further the developer of the health. To encounter around that, it's an encounter with special authority that identifies in your household car jobs, you identify the potential of your children. That the first thing you could see, receive potential for problems, the soliciting community, and first especially with those in the facility of the project, so it's so rare. So the provider community part places well. And we bring that input back to the council as part of our review and the introduction of the project's diverse community. And that will inform how we perceive it as an option. So from my perspective, I think it's obviously important to reach out to the neighbors of that area. But I think this is all about seeing the opportunity. In the past, when we were looking at this property, we really wanted community input. And as it goes, since the SLA and especially belongs to everybody, I think once we get the RFP, I think that it really should be a broader net, you know, to make sure that the community supports it. So in terms of the RFP, would we be doing an RFP for the 60 units? I'm going to 50 units, 300 units. So whether you do it on both parcels and then see what the community says, you know, what is, or is that what you're looking for from us is direct on that? If there is today or what are replacements, we should be considering the larger sites. I would not both, but the larger sites would be smaller sites. Something we're really cautious of too is the cost of preparing and responding to the environment nonprofit. What could very well be a nonprofit with human beings? So it's hard to believe it's two rounds of human beings. So, I mean by non-profit, but could very well be non-profit organizations, to challenge the limits to two rounds of civil remains, for us so long, so long we're hoping for it to be a direction and so on, covering the field of civil abuse. Well, from my perspective, you know, in the public world, where so many was no logic, and what it is, you know, I would rather be able to build more than less. And, you know, from my perspective as well, what would be wrong with sending an RFP for both properties, asking, you know, and then depending on the cost and depending on community input, we could always scale back. I would rather do that than just go for the smaller and lose the opportunity of potentially doing a larger budget with more needs. So is there something I'm missing by just casting the wider net with the opportunity for more units and then seeing what's actually going to be in the next slide. If I did something for a second, the other thing to keep in mind is that any of these projects are going to have to be faced in order to maximize health credit. And so you may want to leave your options open and in about. Okay. So that's why I'm leaning. Since we're exploring this, and I would rather look at our highest potential and what we potentially could do at most on that property, and then once we really see the full picture, then we can make an informed decision. So from my perspective, I think it's worth looking at both properties and seeing what comes back and then, you know, which event with the community make an informed decision together. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Mayor. Thank you. It's all sort of a place saying that from my perspective, of course, the entire project should be DMR. I mean, there's a question that if we're doing it, it should be affordable. And then there are various levels of affordability we can look at. But we should not be having any market right at this location. I think that's an easy tip's purpose. I think that I also agree that we should do a two step process in facing, because it's happening and it's that that's the way that we're going to get the most amount of finance in that mail box for stability as well as you and now we bond it. I think part of the discussion in the RFK is going to be with the ability of the respondents to access several money. You know, there's a new administration coming. They're making more funding available. I think we need to look at that as well. I think the hope is that there will be. And this is one reason why we want to open it up. That's fine. But since we're looking at below market rate, it can't be done without subsidies. And so generally, a good nonprofit is going to have an edge over a fourth profit. It's just the way things work. They'll need to make a profit for the terrible, there is for Wall Street or whatever. They can focus on housing, which is what we're looking at. And I think that makes a lot of sense. I wanted to ask John Douglas, the lot of new messages here is here. I'm talking about a lot of things. Oh, so we're looking at a couple of options, but let's say that we were able to figure out a way to be transformative and to create something along the lines of free and red plus affordable units of senior support housing. That's over 100 times what our rena figures were in the last cycle. Unfortunately only 10 percent but it is would be all affordable and so it's a higher percentage than the total figure. But wouldn't a major project along those lines to the statements and perhaps unsurpassed way when you're working with HCD to have them look at our housing plans and housing elements? Yes, absolutely. We have a lot. And as said, wouldn't it though in some ways also, you know, because as you have mentioned before, in these cases, the actual achievement of the figures, of the re-instinctures are very difficult for cities to reach. That's what I mean. Wouldn't that also indicate an effort on the part of the city? We're putting our money where our mouths are. We're putting our property where our mouths are. We're taking it at the step to do something for the community. Wouldn't that help to change the perception? Maybe, I always just a bunch of risk people who are maybe rezoning just a piece of state or whatever, something we heard from one of our planning commissioners to this is a group that actually wants to do something to actually freeing housing and not just so because the difference here is we're not just donating and saying well in theory you could bill right for doing that and what difference does that make? Well I think think in demonstrate, sharing clearly the city's seriousness to try to adjust the loss of shortage. Right. Well, I appreciate it. And we can have longer discussions about the housing shortage, especially today, where we see the prices have gone down and stands for fiscal 35% in the out migrate. I think Elon Musk is the latest California to become a catch-end. And with 1.2 million basic units in the state, that's a longer discussion. But I certainly think for our community, as I mentioned before, and as we've heard from some of the scholars, there's a need for a special aid in our community. So the last thing is the aid to the place who may be of 16 comes to be able to afford homeowners, toss, or taxes, and that sort of thing. And this is an actual full-out of the city in the community. So I would want us to go as big as we possibly can. I think it is multiple benefits for our community including with HGG and our arena efforts. But more importantly, it's the right thing to do. And it's tailored for our community. And so I must work with nonprofits, or if there are good, for-profit affordable housing developers to see what we can do, to see in that moment the amount of money we can get in terms of grant funding perhaps to help alleviate some of the costs clearly telling you for it's going to be a great expense for our city I think. We said the things were part of that and certainly a good part of it and that also indicates to Sacramento that we're putting our money where our mouths are. I think that's very important. I really can't think right now with a greater need for our city and after all the years, a thousand basically, a little or nothing when it comes to this. I think as a question, we said that this is the ability to be something completely transformative. And we should do that. We shouldn't just middle with the edges. We should do something that means something that's going to make a huge difference without an alterably in a negative way changing our community, but something that actually fits in and enhances our community. And, you know, look at that when we're deciding how to find an answer. And I'll be, you know, not seek out on it. I would say that's my feeling. And I'd love to hear from the potential developers in this case, the nonprofits, in the affordable housing organizations. Here at Assette you've got to say, what could you do with it presents the standing with your vision, hearing the things that all of the council members are saying now and a pathway forward to make that a reality. I agree with Jessie. I don't think we should wait any more. I think now is the time for us to move forward with this. There are many reasons including Rita, but mainly because there are residents who are in need of this and we should make them wait any longer. Thank you. Let's make that. I'll say to you, on a birthday roll, we've spoken a lot about affordable housing. I'm agreeing with my colleagues. This is an opportunity for us to add significant impact and it is the right thing to do. Also, as others have said, there's a large range of potential costs on the table. In the table, on page 3 of the report, it shows the cost of range from 8 million to 260 million, the other part of the size of the project. Can we very broad brush, go through exactly what those numbers mean? Those numbers have been described as a financing debt. So, when you just one of these, not the same favorite in the 16 unit project, but just the pick more decent specific numbers, you know, counting, I think you said that the construction cost for that project would be around $23 million. Correct. Correct. And that there might be a tax credit on the order of eight million. Correct. And so that brings us down to 15 million. I had a satellite to move the eight to 12 million to the average cost and high cost in our homes. Okay, so the six million is as you mentioned. You have basically 2323 million in cost. You have $6.6 million in financing. So conventional loan, I'm sorry, in that case it would be a tax exempt bond, but that's easy to guess the real estate not against the city, so not just in clear swimmers. Then that type of bond automatically comes with a 4% transfer, which is another $8 million. And then we have a deferred developer fee of $316,000 in this particular scenario. So it has at the $14.9 million. So if you subtract the $23 million from the $14.9, you get a $1 million. Where does the future rent go with the future rent going to pay the financing and as the financing amount determined, this is the amount of financing that that level of rent can support. Exactly. And so presumably these numbers would refer to as the gap is the amount that the city would be providing out of pocket without offset against it. That is correct. And the medicine we would be having the opportunity across of providing a land and a very low lease and a nominal lease. And so there would be some opportunity across the city to see it with, we could have rented it to somebody else and received some rent. Yes. So I mean, I still think that this is the right thing to do. But as others, have expressed, we don't have unlimited resources. But as others have expressed, we don't have unlimited resources. And so I would have agreed with Council Member Gold that the high end of this, as a track of this, it could be a micrissing at to be too expensive given that there are limits on our ability to bond things and given that there are other very worthwhile things that we want to be able to dedicate resources to. That said, I agree support and in our opinion that could encompass going out to the larger numbers, going out to using both properties. That, the goal I also thought made a good suggestion of potentially using the smaller property I'll call it more efficiently, more effectively. And that being able to do the IRFD process as well, without adding a new complication to it, I probably that possibility. It seems to me, like, you're going to look here, he out for the general parameters of what you'd like to see, and then the development community's going to tell you what they would like to build. So I think if you say, we would like to maximize density, they would then respond by my maximum density within financial parameters that were efficient. So I think it's a good strategy. I'm a fan of making things as clear as possible in our piece. But I think if you give this development community a parameter that's in we as a council have been able to identify a taller project than that would probably tell the development community that they don't have to look at more gardens that are lower in density and heavily open space project. By the way, you have to weigh all those options together. Just one thing to mention is 16 is breaker. I mean, excuse me, 16 units on that type is 216 units breaker. So I think that would support that being a menable language. being a menable language. And I think I agree with Hansel M. Brunneries that if we're doing this it should be for affordable housing. And that's the purpose of why we're doing this. We're not building things because we want to be landlords to have the market rate buildings, the market rate units. I mean the purpose of doing this is for Rd.4 Housing. A question for Pallari. Larry, is there any problem with giving priority to the Beverly Hills residents? Does that include the tax credit since you're pretty? Not that I'm aware of. I don't think so, but very Catholic and absolute Catholic. Part of it. I don't think so. I think you can provide a preference but not a requirement. Just in general. So I think, for example, we did a project here at KDN a number of years ago. I've seen your project in our KDN. Where we get the local residents more ping pong balls and the lottery than we did non-residents. And that's acceptable. And I'm going to jump in and call. It's a very important question of Ice Mayor asked is I believe, and I know the Council member Marisha's brought this up a few times as well. And initially that was part of the requirement for the Benara housing. It was. So we had done that for the Hanoi housing. Why would we not be able to do this? But it did not get lost over time, somehow or anything. Well, what happened was that remember that, yes, that the city forgot to enforce it. And as a result, you know, take on us for not doing it. I think initially the city won 85% residence and was able to get a 8 to be approval for 70%. And it's just, you know, someone, this is long before anybody who was on this call was at the city, you know, decades ago, just dropped the ball and it fell through. And that wasn't a problem. You know, we can't obviously allow that to happen again. I also want to have in case it wasn't clear because I was trying to go quick. Then I also want this to be affordable housing as well. And is there anything else that you need as to direction? Lowly learning. I think you've got the comments of the other council members that so far we're hearing your clear message to, I think, and local. We still look at both sites and phase of production as potential phase one, the smaller sites, and then look at both sides of the phase of corruption, as potential phase one, the smaller sides, and then look at the cost of other phase two to be entertaining to a larger size. So that we're able to look at both scenarios and clearly what we do for those groups. And by the way, if we do decide to go bigger once we see the cost, we can also look at it as to the bonding and alternative funding methods. There's nothing stopping us from using affordable housing funds that we have separately or that we're getting from development agreements or by that matter from reconsidering and doing land value recaps with mixed use and for this. So there are multiple ways that we in theory could fund this. We should be looking at all of those, because as said, in this case, the larger project this can have on many levels, a much more impactful benefits for the city. And in the usual fortonella, don't be just finding it. Certainly, I agree with that. I think what I said, I mean, is phone, I was talking about low or very low income versus mild income, not affordability versus market rate. So you're a jewelry, you're a favorite low-to-low market rate as well. Yeah, but I'm not necessarily, I don't think I'll be low-to-low. Okay, no, I mean, they can probably be a mix. Yeah, yeah, I'm not necessarily, I don't think I'll be low on that. Okay, no, I mean, they can probably be a mix. Yeah, yeah, I'm really good. Well, again, as long as they stay at libraries, we're gonna be able to do that. You mean they can be very low income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income income And now I'm just asking, how does it cost them to pitch golf? Not a champion losing it. That's why I brought that. I'm stacking on rating tests in the neighborhood. OK, thank you. And here are a couple questions. So on the small property of the building, it's 60 unit kiln. How many stories does that come from? I believe it's fine. Okay. With Brown, where are we here? With Brown, where are we here? And can't be any. You know, we've heard about a non-profit bill here and with about a four-profit bill. In terms of costs and fees, and just seeing in your experience, there would be a significant difference between selecting one or the other or is it really dependent upon whether the proposal is at the comfort ward. I would make it distinction because there are a number of very high quality four profit affordable housing developers who are guaranteed to build affordable housing. And if you compare it, I get a key in affordable housing for a profit, to a non-profit, it tends to be about the same than the four profit takes their money in the terms of profit, and non-profit takes their money in terms of a developer fee. So it ends up, it's just what you're calling the care of the product really in that regard. But I think the real distinction is the four profit developers need to be developers who that's bare-knit is affordable housing. And certainly, as you may have done it, and they bid on this or make a proposal, you're able to assist us with those that are truly players like that in the business for a gathering. John Douglas, you still on the line at the question. Yes sir. So you were at the floor and after the summit of the evening, it will be helpful to our reading reading numbers. At what age will this constant have to be in progress and what is more it to be affected in our reading numbers? The reading is primarily based on zoning and so the site would be credited in the city of South-Eon, at the time the zoning allows residential. And since the Alcyon had passed to be prepared and adopted by next October, either the zoning would be in place, concurrent with the Alcyon, or say, law does provide up to three years to enact zoning if there's a short fall that's needed vis-a-vis in Rina. So, effectively, we have to deal with it within this 10 months, but we can go back with the lack of way to throw that number into our read-up. Yes, it could be done as an implementation program in the housing element. There would be a commitment to adopting zoning on certain properties. Okay, so the bed. But they have to be presented as part of the, how would they know that the floor over? Yes. Well, if there would be, it would be included in the inventory of sites for the housing elements with a commitment to modify the zoning to allow housing. No later than three years after the housing element is adopted. So the idea could be something well advanced about the over and turns of making that commitment to either the small property or the larger property. Yes. Moving the downside of just paying the disorientment down now we have three of the building. If we wanted to, we would preclude our missing list, the Murphy problem. The zoning can be structured in a variety of ways. It can be done as an overlay or expanding the allowable uses on the property. 60 different ways to slice and dice the zoning. I see Ryan on the call, it's completely low due to them. Well, I think the rising mess, something to say, and I wouldn't be surprised if you said that we're going to have to substitute double adjusted before that if we decided not to use that property, but go ahead. So I was going to say, generally what John Douglas said, you could achieve the zoning now and you could retain some sort of a mixed use zoning designation on the property to have flexibility into the future. I think the main challenge, though, would be if you're seeing the zoning now is trying to land on whatever the right number is in terms of a density and height when you do change the zoning because if you want to do something different later on, then you have to go back and read to the zoning and that just depends on later on, then you have to go back and redo the zoning. And that just depends on what the ultimate goal is from the city and how much credit you get assigned through the arena process. For the ride, we did it with the lowest density that we might want. And ultimately, the side that can raise that density will be really at risk in that. I don't think so. So while we're probably in a round of old, but if we were to pre-emptively decide to resolve it and say whatever our lowest density consideration would do we could do that all immediately, embedding it so flexibility to use this commercial if we wanted to be able to do that. And then we have three years to figure out what else we want to do. We can make it higher or we can, you know, find properties of our office and move it out and not move it all. We could, just from a planning standpoint, unfortunately this is one of those things that has to go through the whole planning commission process. Then come back to the city council in order to be an official change of the zoning. So just keeping that in mind, it's with, again, the noticing process, the hearings and actually having the ordinance state effect. It probably is under best case scenario you're looking at probably a four to six month process. Ryan, is that okay? Mayor of violence and quick question? Of course. Thank you. What type of credit would we be able to get closed once a property? Anything at all? No, we would not get credit today because it does not allow for residential uses. Okay. I would put this on as a social item or more. We have left there something missing here. We just get it on the book. We're at least a flat-out with the down sign. I know we're doing it on the flop. We make the show human and view with the current process as we move forward. I mean, it makes sense to do them together, I would suggest. Well, the thing is that if we get delayed and thinking about it, we probably be whatever. We don't want miss the window, where we might see what we get, what a new credit for. So if we can get a credit today, or I wish it was today possible, I was with the downside of that. I think you can start the process and through the planning to manage it and try and help a great pair of well-related people and try to make them work together. I don't think that's a bad idea. Why, I didn't say it. I don't think that's a bad idea. Why on the downside? I don't think there's a downside. I was going to say to John Douglas's point, in order to get renecredited, you don't have to see this besoning today. You can do it as an implementation measure under the housing element. Basically, it would be the city saying in the housing element, we are making a commitment within the next three years to change the zoning of this property, to allow for residential and allow a minimum x amount of density in order to get us to the number of units that we're asking AC to give us credit for under rena. So it's a crucible that it happened right away, but there's also no downside to doing the zoning and advance. I don't think other than you might have seen it in the future if we get it wrong. It will also work from John Douglas to HCD. That's so much better to do what it comes to approving the housing element. And the notion, you know, it's referred to him as well multiple times, that we're absolutely not just free zoning, but we're actually doing something that's going to lead to the construction of units. That's more than just a goodwill matter. I think it's going to asset funds well above its way. It has a potential to get the scales in terms of, you know, we've heard, we're supposed to be seeing fires that were more than that. And I wouldn't underestimate the ability of this project to do that as well. But what I'm hearing is that we need to be something to highlight this project. So I think that's something that we just learned. And John is already thinking that you want to have an incredible, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. I think Ryan said it very well. The city does have three years, and so there's no downside to the starting process of zoning amendment earlier other than things could change as you go forward with the actual sign of the project. Okay. Okay. Okay. So when I were at the start of the project, and I also believe that, as I guess everybody else, believe that it should be probably affordable housing, no market rate housing. I think that this is looking both close to the areas. I think my questions is to whether or not we're going to be able to afford the largest units. It could be same-scale. And I don't know how they used to be a lot of phases. We'll have to whether or not the bargaining is for the entire project and for the first part of the loop and go back to the same. But I think that we need to look at both scenarios. And I do think that we need to get onto the public engagement process as we have something that is out there, which if we want to know what the public thinks before we get too far down the road. So I think that is important that we do that also. So I think with that, Logan, you have Doresa, follow his crowd. Thank you very much. See how far I'm going to go. See how far I'm going to go. OK, so with that, I think that we will go into close-up and it sits a chronicle. It gives us a very five minutes for those items on the closed session agenda. And it will be back at 7 or so depending on what those are going to do for our performance.