Thank you mayor recording. I'd like to welcome everyone. We've got a lot of guests with us today, which is great. I'd like to call this meeting to order Monday, March 4, 2024 at 712 PM. Thank you at the summer call roll. Please. Councilmember Tunkey. Here. Councilmember Skinner. Here. Councilmember Erimelli. Present. Councilmember Kauffman. I'm present. Councilmember DiBiassi. Here. Councilmember Elwood. Here. Thank you, Mayor. We have a warm this evening. Fantastic. Next item. Thank you. I would like to invite Eagle Scout, Jackson Burbring, from troop 143 to come forward and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Welcome. Good evening, everyone. If you please join me in the pledge allegiance. A pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's time for mayor's opening remarks. I'll be relatively brief. One I'm looking forward to some of the presentations tonight. Got special folks here tonight. I will say that late last week was cross over day in the general assembly. Every year that I've been on council, we've had at least some kind of a preemption attempt on the part of the state legislature to make it harder for us to be able to regulate building codes and so forth. For the most part appears that that has not happened at least so far through crossover. There was one piece of legislation that was worrisome but did not make it over. And so I am relieved at least at this juncture about that. I would invite all of you to attend the State of the City, which is going to be Wednesday, March 6th, at Norfew High School. The doors open at 6th with light refreshments and the program starts at 7th and I promise you should be out of there by 8th at the latest. The following week March 15th is the Battle of the Bands at Newtown Amphitheater at 7pm. And then on Friday March 22nd is the Easter Bunny Hop starting at 430 here at Creekside Park behind City Hall. And for more details or on anything else regarding the city, please go to our website, johnscreekga.gov. Thank you. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is approval of the minutes. You have February 12th work session and council meeting minutes before you. I'd like to make a motion to approve. You made a motion? Yes, I'd like to make a motion to approve. You made a motion? Yes, I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes as presented. All right, thank you, Councillor Mourn, D. Biasi, is there a second? A second. Thank you, Councillor Moura Aramelli, for the second is there a discussion? Seeing none, all is in favor? Passes. Thank you. The next item is approval of the meeting agenda for this evening? Council, no, no changes. We will need to get an executive session later, but I believe that's all right. A mayor, I'd like us to approve tonight's agenda as presented, good sir. All right. Thank you for that. Council Member Kaufflin, is there a second? Second. Thank you, Council Member Schender, for the second that our discussion. I'm saying none. All those in favor? I pass. Next slide. Thank you. The next item is the consent agenda. We have a few items. Ordinance 204-0303. And ordinance to amend the fiscal year 24 budget. Resolutions 24-3, 10 and 11. Resolutions of support for grant applications. There's an action item approval of an agreement with the EPD for previously approved 319H grant projects. And an action item that's to approve a contract with sole construction, the amount of $497,746 with a construction contingency and a CEEI task order in the amount of $54,600 with a Cura engineering and consulting services for Sarge and Road to Ashwick Place and Barton Place intersection improvement project. Fantastic, thank you, Madam Clerk. That's the consent agenda, any motions? Mayor, I would like to make a motion to throw the consent agenda as presented. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, for the motion. Is there a second? Aye second. Thank you, Councillor Armelie. For the second, is there a discussion? Seeing none, all those in favour? Okay, that's it. Thank you. The next time on the agenda I'd like to invite Councillor come down. This is a commendation recognizing Chris Bray. We can have Chris join us up here. All right. Well, this evening we're going to present a commendation to Chris Bray for all of his efforts with the special case that North Folden United Program. And really all that he's done to contribute to our communities surrounding communities to give individuals opportunities to pursue adaptive recreation. So I won't go ahead and read this and then we're going to give a big round of applause for Miss Bray's efforts. So whereas the special case was formed as special kids in 1994 and has increasingly grown in both number of participants, coaches, sporting activities, and funds raised with athletes ranging from 8 to 80 years of age. And whereas the special case is comprised of approximately 100 athletes participating in nine sports in the annual state special Olympic games. These sports include bowling, basketball, botchi, golf, cycling, track and field, long distance running, flag football, cheerleading, kayaking, and many more. And whereas the special case have received continued support from the Johns Creek Police Department, its LETR fundraising activities, and was recently named the Special Olympics Georgia Agency of the Year. And whereas Chris Bray has been actively involved with the special case for 25 years, serving as head of delegation for each competition, scheduling all practices, and overseeing all paperwork and funds submitted to the state of Georgia for all competitions. And whereas Chris Bray has devoted countless hours by supervising competitions for coaches and athletes who have participated in the special Olympic USA games, videoing and photo. taking photography competitions to be published to a special case, Facebook page, and personally growing the soccer program, which is now known as North Folden United Football Club. Therefore, I, John Bradbury, mayor of the City of Johns Creek, and on behalf of the entire City Council, do hereby recognize Chris Bray this fourth day of March 2024 for his long lasting commitment dedication and effort to the special case. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Is it not signed? Thank you. You know that you are dealing with a celebrity when folks come in with your picture on their shirt and on fans. All right. And then how about all the kids? I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to hear from Chris Brave for a minute. I'll try and keep my words short. My words are focused on what's on my chest. Special. It's something where this has kind of been an invoked fashion statement within special Olympics over the past couple months. I'm going to read what's on the back of my shirt, technology allows us to do that now. Special, exceptionally great, important, unique. Special is something to strive for, the ultimate compliment, a word that we can all hope to be called. Not for the things that we cannot do, but for all the things that we can. So special, I'm a special education teacher, I work with students with special needs. We've seen that word in this population so much, but we all have special qualities. And what I'm so thankful for is to live in a community that really appreciates that, enhances that, and encourages that. It was not that long ago, I guess maybe 20 years, I was in a meeting, a planning meeting for what this new city might be like. And it was all about at that point creating the boundaries of this community. And after you do that, and after that's established, it's creating the heart of the community. And it has really come our way. John's Creek Police, John is here. Those guys are heroes to our community. And it sends on in so many ways. And so the word special, we own it. We all should. And we always end our special moments with Go Special Case. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor and council, if you'll stay down here, the next item on our agenda is the recognition of volunteer groups for the daffodils for Hope Plandings in 2023. All right. So, man, the attire has really just been outstanding tonight. We got the shirts with Chris' face on it. And then you folks are really brightening up our city hall today with these yellow aprons but your efforts have also brightened up our city for north to south and east to west and hopefully people are recognizing as they're driving around all the beautiful displays of yellow daffodils, daffodils of course come in other colors other than just yellow but that's kind of the main one. They got some paint, they got some orange, but I think yellow and white is probably the mainstay. But the daffodils for hope program is something that, you folks have just done a fantastic job. And as we go on, it just seems to be getting better and better every year and of course the Baffadils not only are they deer resistant which I love but they come back every year at just the right time after you know we've come through a long winter time and you need a little brightness in your day and it certainly does give you hope and you know we'll certainly talk a little bit more about that. I would like if you'll indulge me to just read the different volunteer groups and what they have done where they've done their planting. So Alcon in action did at Alcon and they planted along John's Creek Parkway, the youth and adult ministries and Casa Brazil went and did John's Creek Presbyterian Church on Bell Road. The preschool students and staff at Presbyterian preschool also planted there. John's Creek United Methodist Church Ministry groups, the Norfview High School Beta Club, Taylor Road Middle School, Junior Beta Club. They planted at John's Creek and I Methodist and you may have seen those on Del Road. Nor few high school lacrosse team and future business leaders of America. They planted those in those landscape circles right there along 141 at the vineyards of John's Creek, Lomb, Midlock Bridge Parkway. Providence High School Student Group. You may have passed those on your way to City Hall today. They planted those right there as you're coming over here on Providence Christian Academy. The rotary club of Johns Creek, North Fulton, and the rotary club of Johns Creek, they planted at Emery Johns Creek Hospital, and that's at the Winship Cancer Center entrance. The Youngman Service League, they planted in Colley Creek City Park, the Councilor Cosswell, and that's at the Winship Cancer Center entrance. The Youngman Service League, they planted in Colley Creek City Park, lining the rubber track in the 5K area. And then William Reed Academy students, they planted daffodils at Audrey Mill, Nature Preserve. Can we give all of them a big round of applause for doing this? And can y'all come up? I can't believe y'all are being bashful. And John's Creek beautification for their contributions. Yeah, and John's Creek beautification. I'm going to have to get a little bit of money. I'm going to have to get a little bit of money. I'm going to have to get a little bit of money. I'm going to have to get a little bit of money. I'm going to have to get a little bit of money. I'm going to have to get a little bit of money. I'm going to have to get a little bit of money. I'm going to have to get a little bit of money. I'm going to have to get Oh, yeah. This is a good spot. Oh, with the very first question. Oh, this is a good spot. Oh, with the very first question. Squish, squish, squish. Squish, squish, squish. Good question. You're moving just like that. Watch out for the flashbulb. Sorry. I'll show myself out. Oh, fine.'t see you. One, two, three. One, two, and three. One more. Press your two lips together. Perfect. Thank you, your hands. Two dolls. Thank you. You're welcome. I don't know that. There's a few other students. So this day, I'm going to ask you Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. The next item is public comment. I have a couple of cards. We'll start with Marilyn Davis. Hello. Testing. My name is Marilyn Langford Davis. I live at 10737 Bell Road. I co-owned Davis in Lengthford, CPA. And I'm a board member of John Street beautification and founder of the Daffodils for Hope Communitywide Planting Program. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, esteemed city council, neighbors and friends, on behalf of John Street beautification, I thank you for shining a spotlight on the volunteer daffodil planting program and that provides splashes of vibrant yellow flowers to beautify our city and heightens awareness for cancure Atlantis compassionate survivor by your side programming. I'm not sure you can go many places in John Creek now without seeing some daffodil somewhere and there's more to come in the years ahead. This initiative born from our organization's mission to engage and beautify our community and green initiatives would not be the blossoming success it is today without support from the city. In the humble beginnings in 2018, JCB donated just 1,000 bulbs, which were planted in the cities, with the city's help at Veterans Memorial Park inside Newtown Park. We thought that was so many that we didn't know how we were going to get them planted. But you came to the rescue and you planted them. Today, a total of 52,250 defadil bulbs have been planted across 21 locations from parks, schools, neighborhoods, businesses, the hospitals, streetsides, and houses of worship. The city has begun including daffodils in its landscaping endeavors and provided park land for donated bulbs to be planted. Thank you to the entire city organization that has facilitated the growth of this city community relationship. And in particular, these prior and current, daffodil champions of the project need to be recognized. First and foremost, our favorite cheerleader, Mayor John Bradbury. Kurt Frans, Robbie Newton, Erica Madsen, and Sean Brown for being collaborators, extraordinaire. We thank our incredible group of over 1100 dedicated volunteers from ages three to 89, who reflect all of the rich cultural diversity of the John's Creek community. They have come from faith-based groups, adult and youth service clubs, including both road-reached school groups, businesses and our very own neighborhoods. We especially welcome and thank Alconn and Vineyard Senior Center as Business Planting Partners. They bring a new element to us, an impactful people resources group and street side visibility. We thank our flanking neighbor communities who have assisted in building a living green daffodil bridge with Johns Creek. Roswell organization for community development has sponsored multiple digs at the historic sites as Zion missionary Baptist Church and Roswell Presbyterian Churches. The Duluth hands of Christ community bank on the east side of us is going to be joining us in 2024. Thank you, Miss Davis, your time is expired. And let me just say that we, I want to leave you with this, when people send me pictures that they are so pleased with what they're seeing in the parks and if you go by the emerging daffodil lane and cally creek park the person who came to me said I come to the park to check on how my daffodils are doing and that personal connection is really what we're going for for community engagement. Thank you for your support. It's a beautiful thing. Very nice. Thank you, Ms. Davis. Thank you, Gloria Gators. Good evening. Good evening. My name is I am representing can care Atlanta. I am, get my name is Gloria Cater and I'm a two time breast cancer survivor and I'm also a member of the Board of Representatives for can care Atlanta and we're also a partner with Maryland Davis to death, of Dills for Hope Group. What is can care? Can care is a nonprofit, national, faith-based organization that was founded in Houston, Texas. Can care has a network of over 1,000 active trained cancer volunteers who provide emotional support to cancer patients and their caregivers. Our volunteers represent over 75 different types of cancer. According to the American Society of Clinical Oncology, receiving emotional support soon after a cancer diagnosis increases in individuals coping abilities and quality of life actually as well. Cancaire's mission is to provide hope, healing and information to our cancer community by ensuring that anyone faces facing cancer does not face cancer alone. So how cancaire works? Cancaire matches people currently facing a cancer diagnosis with a cancer survivor who has the same type of cancer so that individual can feel free to talk about their diagnosis and treatments. We also matched individuals by treatment methods, stage, age, and gender. Can care recognizes that it recognizes the cancer affects every aspect of everyone's life like physical, mental, social, emotional, spiritual. So we walk alongside our clients to ensure that they receive the best possible support throughout their cancer journey. And we also provide information and resources to our cancer patients, such as cancer centers. We provide help with workplace issues, financial support, home health, housing, hospice support groups, medical supplies. So we just make sure we support the patients throughout their journey, no matter how short or long that journey is. We also match the patient's caregiver with other caregivers as well. This would enable the caregiver to offer encouragement, hope, and information, which improves the cancer caregiver relationships. And the best news is our program services are free and confidential. We also do hospital visitations programs for Emory Johns Creek and we meet with patients on the floors and the infusion centers as well. What our goals are for 2024 is to grow our volunteer base. We need both cancer survivors and caregivers. We want to reach and support more cancer patients and we want to expand the educational opportunities for our cancer patients as well. Thank you, Miss Gators, your time has expired. I have brochures. Just what? I have brochures. If anybody wants to be a volunteer or just join our organization, there are brochures in the back. So thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much for your time. Applause. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker I have is Wind Wu. Sorry, I think it's last name, ZHOU. I apologize for my pronunciation. And I'm just going to just... Perfect. Good evening. I'm excuse me. Good evening. I'm Lisa Lucas from Johns Creek Presbyterian Preschool. I have the opportunity to serve as the director there. And Mayor linked to us a couple years ago to ask if the youngest of our population would like to plant daffodils. So one of our students, Taylor, is here to see. And can I just hold you up? Here. Is that okay? All right, you ready? Okay. That would be great. Thank you. I'll hold the chair for you. There you go, Taylor. Hi, my name is Taylor. I am four as old. Yes, four. I planted some def with a seed. First I dig a hole. Second I put the seed inside. Third I watered it. And it was so much fun. I wonder how many petals will be on my death with a. Now let's bring to my dad for the boom. Thank you very much, Taylor. You did a wonderful job. Thank you. Y'all are welcome to do public comment, but you're not gonna beat that. I don't know. I don't know. Thank you. The next card I have is D Friedman. I can't believe I'm following that. I'm actually okay-freedman. I am a resident of Johns Creek. I've been living here for over 25 years. I actually wasn't planning on speaking tonight, but I wanted to come mainly because I wanted to watch, I was very hopeful to hear some information about possibly moving forward with the performance venue for John's Creek. When I got here, I found out that no funds were being applied to it. I have to say I was really disappointed. I really thought maybe we were moving towards that, I just personally feel that, you know, we're a very wealthy city in so many ways and so many other cities have a place to go and see a play or the symphony and for us to have our very own symphony and theater groups and dance groups and they have nowhere to go. It just kills me and I work in Roswell and I get to see that all the time at the Roswell Cultural Arts Center. And I was so excited when a few of you came and got to look at the Roswell Cultural Arts Center. And I guess that's what got me very hopeful. So I just want to request that City Council please consider building one for us because we're just a wonderful community and it just feels odd not having our own performance venue. And I guess that's it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Tim Jeanette. Good evening, Mayor City Council. My name is Tim Jeanette. Lived in this community about 30 years. I'm here to speak in favor of allocating approximately $200,000 from tourism, product, development funds toward the construction, documents for performance facility, as you guys discussed in a work session a few weeks ago. Since the forming of our city, and I've been here since before the beginning, this council and the councils that came before you have done an excellent job of creating great parks, a safe community to live in, a vibrant business community, and as we saw tonight beautiful green space. That's all because of you guys and your predecessors. But we have a missing component as the lady before me just said. And that missing component is a dedicated performance space for our many performing arts and organizations that call Johns Creek home. The benefits of using the CBB money for this, the reason it matches up is that if we have a venue we would attract bigger acts other than just our local. I'm a member of the corral and we can bring in talented people that have their own followings and those people that all need a hotel to stay in. They're performers and the people that travel with them would need a hotel to stay in. So using CBV funds makes sense because this would benefit our hotel industry here. And I've heard talk of, we still have questions. So in my minute 38, I'm going to answer the questions I think you have and feel free to reach out to me about any other questions. First question is, do we need it? Answer is absolutely yes. How many of you and other city council members from other municipalities have been to Greenville, South Carolina to see what great things they're doing there? The heart of that city is a performance hall, right in the center of it. And that's the difference to me between a good city and a great city. So we absolutely need it. Who will use it? Well, we've got the only paid professional symphony in the state of Georgia, other than the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra. They would use it. John Scree, Carale, that I'm a member of. They would use it. We Scree, Carral, that I'm a member of. They would use it. We impu, his academy. He would use it. Various dance troops that we have in town, they would use it. And something that none of us had talked about yet is high school graduations. My kids graduated. Chata Huchi high school. And you know, it was fine going to the church. But how cool would it have been to go to my own city's performance hall or performance center for their graduation because this is where they grew up? So we know we need it, we know who will use it. We also have heard you guys are about to find out where it'll go. You're getting close to identifying property. All those questions are answered. The next logical question is how much will it cost? The way to answer those questions is to allocate these 200,000 toward the construction documents. And I will steal Mayor Brad Berry's comment from earlier. We need to do this. We need to do it now and if not now, win. Thank you. I have no further cards at this time. Anybody else? Anybody else? We'll be coming. All right. Seeing none. Thank you. This evening there's nothing under reports. I have a couple of quick announcements. Planning commission scheduled for Tuesday the 5th has been canceled as well as the zoning participation meeting scheduled for the 7th. The Arts Culture and Entertainment Committee will meet Thursday the 14th at 630. The Board of Zoning Appeals will meet March 19th at 7pm. The Recreation and Parks Advisory Committee will meet Wednesday the 20th at 630pm. And then we're back here on March 25th for a 5 p.m. work session in the 7 p.m. council meeting. All right. Thank you. Thank you. This evening we have nothing under old business. The first item under new business is an action item. This is consideration to approve tourism product development projects for fiscal year 2025. We have interim city manager career for presentation. Good evening mayor Mayor and Council. At your work session on February 12th, we discussed how to allocate your tourism product development funds for fiscal year 2025. Council reached consensus around two projects. First was to allocate $50,000 towards public art. And then you reached consensus for the balance of collected funds. Anticipated to be around $200,000 for initial work on construction documents for a performance hall. So more details in the memo we can rehash any parts of that conversation if you would like but what I'm seeking tonight is just your consensus on that so that we can move ahead with both. All right. Fantastic. Do you have any questions for the same manager? How much will it cost to fully fund the construction documents? Depends on the scope and scale of the facility. Okay, so I know I would assume. Okay, thank you. Anybody else? How are we going to, with the documents, have we established some kind of criteria that we're going to build the documents upon? Meaning the size and scope is one. Physical footprint location. The elements have we got any of that put in down today. News are we discussed that at the work session on the 12th as those were all factors that council wanted to seek to determine between now in the beginning of the fiscal year when these funds would start to accrue and that those were items that the council wanted to give further direction on and clarity but your first step was figuring out the where. So this is putting that allocation for use in fiscal year 25 which doesn't start in October first Gotcha, so we don't know no sir council is not Finally, I know is any of those decisions yet. Thank you I'd like to make a motion To approve action item m1 consideration to approve tourism product development projects for fiscal year 2025 as presented in the memo Okay, thank you for the motion. Council Member Elwood, is there a second? Second. Thank you, Mayor Proton for the second and discussion. I'm just really excited. I understand the concerns for my colleagues that there's a lot of technical details that haven't been figured out, but there are decisions that we've been kind of bouncing around for four years. The four years I've been on council and this gives us a little extra push to make those decisions. If we're going to fund construction documents, we obviously need to tell the person drawing those documents what to draw. And so we need to make decisions about size, scope, obviously locations, the number one most important decision we have to make. So I'm excited, I'm just, I'm really excited about the opportunities this is opening up for us. And I appreciate the support of the CVB in pursuing this. I think it's going to be a great thing for the city. My person. Now just like thanks CVB for supporting this initiative and it's definitely a first step towards performance hall and looking forward to the scope and location. I think it's important that we all recognize the fact that this is a placeholder and make sure that those funds are available and ready to go. When we have determined the location, which I'm confident that we will hear in the next several months. So those funds will not be spent if we don't have the location. So at some point you got to try to make sure that the back end the eggs get to the table at the same time. All right. So thank you for bringing this and to everyone that's part of the legacy or the Performing Arts Center. I am 100% supporting all of that center. I do not believe this is the right path to go forward with this. I can't in good faith spend a quarter million dollars on a potential drawing that may change 100% the other direction as we go forward. Because we have more unknowns than we have knowns. In my opinion, this is just a drawing that we don't know if we can bring it to the table. I think there's possibly other ways that we can do this and accomplish the same thing. So unfortunately, I will be voting against this, but I want to assure everyone that's listening. I am 100% for the Legacy Center and in willing to help in any way possible to help in the funding, I just don't think this is the right direction. For the use of the CVB funds, nor less engaging documents that may not ever be worth anything. My opinion. Thank you. I just want to clarify, Consolim, but we are not starting on the construction documents. This is like, may or said it's a placeholder. So we have the funds assigned. If you don't have a location identified by October 1st, we have it. It's going to come back to the consulate and we can reassign it. But right now it's a placeholder. At least we are showing that we are taking a step towards that one. So it's again, we are not making any construction documents, are we not spending it today? The collection starts from October 1st. I understand, thank you. Well, I just don't want the impression that the public here is to be that we're going to light $250,000 on fire for plans that aren't feasible or realistic. Because by the time it gets October 1st, we'll be in a better place to know if those plans can, if we're ready to put out to bid for plans for the contract. So the construction contract, not construction contract. The contract for the construction documents. You know, I think that sometimes it becomes a little bit of a circular argument because you can say, well, there are questions that are still not answered. And so therefore we can't start. But the thing of it is we're not going to be able to get started unless we take this step to authorize the staff to start looking at what would it be like if we were to do construction documents at a particular location, and this will engage the staff and get us going started down that path. and get us going started down that path. To further add on that, I would say this would, of a lot of projects I've had a history with CVB funds at times. And I would say the biggest driver of appropriating these funds is just an idiom of beds or heads and beds. So, meaning these funds are appropriated for visitors to stop by and spend the night within our community. I would have to say this is one of the most germane use cases I can think of. But I would also agree here while we don't have plans specified in place, there's also a contingency if we don't come to an agreement, we would appropriate those funds as such. So I think this is a good vote of confidence, direction for staff to make that happen. This is a seed that needs to be planted like a defidel. So, well, best politician in the room right here. So just to rebut, like I said, I'm for this. I just think that the method is, I don't believe in the process and the method that we're going forward with. So that's the reason why I'm going to vote against it, but as far as Legacy Center, performing Arch Center, 100% behind it. All right. Anybody else, Tyson? Yes. I wanted to, while we're all, there's nobody here on the dias who says, Arch Center is not required. Our performance center is not required And 200,000 is really in the grand scheme of things, and real patents. We just spent $6 million on a park right behind us. Just one afternoon we'd pass that. If we really wanted it, when the time is right, we will always apportion. Because at that point, we have something to go with this if you just put money aside for it doesn't mean anything will happen out of it the point what I'm trying to say is CVB when we had the brainstorming session council member Larry was there I was there and I think one more person was there the lip there were seven other projects which CVB came up with it where they wanted to spend that money on that. That day it was not even discussed that we will do this construction document that day. My point what I'm trying to say is you may feel good that we are putting 200,000 towards it. In the grand scheme of things, it's a very small amount. We can always find those kind of money for that. When we have the place, when we have everything going. In mean time, CBB has got shovel-ready projects. They have projects which they can use immediately. Now to tell them, okay, don't do those projects. We'll to tell them okay don't do those projects, we'll keep this when we don't do our project then we'll give you that. Seems like putting the cart before the horse. It may be a confidence-building measure but look at what those guys the CVB managers sitting behind. They did a lot of work that day. They came up with seven projects and today we are telling them and this this construction documents with the arts interval not even discussed that day. Now today we are talking about let's do that so that we are saying it's a confidence building measure. I feel that they could use their money better and we can always find this 200,000 when we came because as I said, as Larry re-retreated, everybody on this council wants a performance art center just by apportioning, just by allocating funds and with the caveat saying, if you don't find it, we'll take it back. That, how comforting is that? Here we are, we are taking the money away from those people, the CVB, we're not gonna give you money. Even though we are money, it is your money, but we'll put it for something else. That's where I find it's a little inconsistent, where they could use it right away. We're not allowing them. Where we can't, we'll just contingency-based funds will keep it there in a just cruel fund. So councilmember Aramelli, they cannot use these funds until October 1, 2024, as it starts accruing. So shovel ready or not is meaningless. And I would take issue that this is a generally speaking, a compromise or a partnership, I should say, between the CVB and the council. These are taxes that have to be appropriated with very specific purposes in mind. So it is no more CVB's dollars than it is mine and yours. These are tax dollars that are specified to be appropriated in the specific way that drives tourism to your city. So there are no shovel ready projects. This would be seed money. And now the burden of getting the performance facility is on this body of seven and staff to make sure we have the location and specifications agreed upon to pursue that. So yes, there's a contingency in place. If this body of seven, there's seven politicians up here. Of course, there may be some disagreement, but God willing, we can come to agreement with the community and understand the needs and specifications. And then since CVB is partnering with us, we will expend those funds on the construction documents. Maybe we're just disagreeing for reasons unbeknownst to me, but at this time, this is the best path forward, unless you have an alternative to... At this point, you made a very good observation. You talked about the metaphor, heads and beds, construction documents do not immediately lend to that phrase. When they put up the arts, you're actually, they, one of the projects which they want to do was, either side of the tunnel, they want to put art, public art there. That is something which is people who live in that hotel, see and see it firsthand. That is something which CDB can claim, we did this. But if you say, yeah, we did give money to a construction document, that's part very, very indirect ownership. Whereas when we see the Christmas tree, how many people have seen the Christmas tree? What a beautiful tree it is. That is completely a gift from CVB. That is something they can proudly say when they're talking to somebody in Alfredo or somewhere else, this is CVB's contribution to John's Creek. If you just say yes, obliquely we have contributed to something, it just becomes a theoretical metaphor. That's what my point is. I rest my case. I don't want to believe at the point. Councillor Scherrer. Yes, thank you. So I also won't be supporting this and it is not because I do not support the arts and Johns Creek. Same argument I made during the work session, I feel this is premature. Last year we had a discussion or argument over the surplus funding. And one of my problems was the way since being on council we picked our strategic projects, and then we never talked about how we were going to fund them. That's the same thing we're doing here. So for principle, that's why I can't support this. We don't know the location, we don't know the size, scope, or scale. We don't know who's going to operate it. We don't know where even the rest of the money is going to come for the construction documents. Because they'll likely be over the amount of money we have from the CVB, and we haven't discussed where that money is going to come from. Much less where the 30, 40, 50, or 60 million dollars will come to actually build the performance hall. So for that reason, I think the money can be used a better way at this time. Thank you. I will just say that we did just have in the work session a conversation about the capital improvement plan. And there is a roadmap for how the performance hall conceivably could be funded through that long-term capital improvement plan. But also if I may add we were also arguing over $900,000 for the fire station. But not whether or not to do the fire station, whether or not we want to do your work. Correct. Whether or not we wanted to future-proof the fire station. That is not really an accurate statement. All right. Mayor Pro Tem, did you have something else? No, I'm good, did you have something else? No, I'm good, Mayor. Okay, does anyone else have anything new to add? All right, if that's- It's one to end on a note of positivity. Well, you know, just, I appreciate all of the people who have been very dedicated to this effort for many, many years and, you know, your encouragement with this council has been duly noted by all seven of us because we all do very much support increasing the, sorry, words are failing me here, increasing support for arts in our community. I think that's something all seven of us can agree on even if we disagree on the process. And so thank you all for encouraging us to take this path. Thank you for doing that because I think it's we really do. We really all want this and we've talked about it for years and years and it's time but you know we just have a different philosophy and how we get there. That's all it is. So let's look at this as positive because we're having open and honest conversations about it. That's a start of a conclusion. Because until we have this pain that we go through right here, we'll never have an honest conversation. And this will get us to that point about what it's going to cost us, where we're going to put it, how we're going to fund it, is a public-private pirate to ship, how we're going to do this. This is a really good start for those conversations. And it's an honest conversation. An honest conversation. So thank you. All right. I would also like to add one more thing. We have something called Makerspace in a colleague creek park, beautiful park. The construction documents are way more than 200,000. That's what I'm trying to say. The devil is always in the details, but just by making giving you 200,000 and you may leave this place happy But that's really not to go anywhere with it So Councillor Emellie if I may just for for me personally and with a historic context I don't disagree with you $250,000 or $200,000 will not pay for the full construction documents and to council member scammers Point we haven't allocated additional monies for construction documents yet, but that's a October 1st budget process decision. I don't want to take away from the enormity and the excitement. I personally feel at this moment in the fact that, oh my gosh, we're putting $200,000 towards funding for the arts. Like to me, like we've said, well, we all support it. Okay, well now we're going to do something about it, you know? And I'm not trying to take away from your points. I understand your process points, your procedure points, the decision making points. But the excitement that the council has said a lot, but not always shown a lot, because we haven't been able to. We've had a lot of priorities to catch up on. To me, this is still very exciting. And to your point and really to council member D.B. Ossie and Air Millie and Skinner. What's very hopeful about this is it sounds like that even though this $200,000 is as you put it up to the tenants, it sounds like you'd be prepared to use general fund dollars to backfill behind it to push it all the way forward to completion when that time comes. And so we are more in consensus than we are part and so from that standpoint that's encouraging so it sounds like we have every reason to continue to be hopeful so all right with that if is there anyone else that has a comment all right with that all those Okay. Four three. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next item. Thank you. The seat knowing we have nothing under other business. We have another opportunity for public comment. Anybody? Okay. Good evening, Mary Bradbury, City Council members. Thank you so much. I just wanted to thank you guys for having the heart conversations with this arts legacy center. Decisions made from the top aren't always easy, but they're necessary. I have not, and by any means, been a part of this great leadership team in our community who has fought from the time I moved here and shared the vision of what it would mean to our city. And I just want to say, just as a resident of of Johns Creek that I sure do hope that we find a way and I'm sure we will because I know that we all appreciate the value that the legacy center would bring to our city to our community and for someone who spent a whole lot of money going outside of the city to enjoy something to things that I oftentimes wish that I can keep my tax dollars where I live. I think it'll be in great value. And so thank you again for having the tough conversations and not to get weary. And that did not allow the differences to hinder the decision making. Because I'm pretty sure that whether it's a wheel, there's a way. And I'm looking forward to the day that there will be a legacy center that will all be proud of standing in the center of our community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. Seeing none. Next slide. Mayor's comments? Nothing other than just you know we don't always agree but hopefully we are able to do without being disagreeable. Sometimes I think I'm the least good at that but anyway I do appreciate that we take a critical look at our most important decisions. I'd also like to add today afternoon, those of you who have been following the work session, there's an item of $6 million for the same art center, way, way more than what you're in resaging. That is something we will be definitely discussing. It is not something that we are just giving up on this. We just found that there's a better process to that and more meaningful process. That's our idea. And next item. Executive session. We have a need. I make a motion to adjourn to executive session to discuss land legal personal issues. All right, thank you. Thank you, Councilmember. Thank you, Councilmember Eremelli. Is there a discussion? Seeing none, all this in favour? We are adjourned to executive session. Thank you, everyone, for attending. We'll be a while. Boarding? Go ahead. Suppose that we come out of executive session, we have discussed land legal and personal matters. Thank you. Personal matters, huh? No, no. Personal matters. Thank you. Personal matters, I'm sorry. Second that. All right. Thank you for the second discussion on the motion. And I'd like to report that we discussed. Oh. Legal and five land. Yes, Madam Clerk. Exactly. Thank you. We have no further items on the agenda. All right. I know this is a favorite part of your favorite part of the meeting. I propose we adjourn the City Council meeting. Do we need a vote to come out of the executive session? I thought we- I recorded that as 6 to 0. Yeah, okay, that sounds good too. Council Tonke, yeah, that's right. All right. And you made a motion to adjourn. It only takes one. All is in favor. Second. All right. Thank you. Thank you.