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Has anyone not heard of a program? I don't want to give a huge in-depth overview if everyone kind of knows. Try them out. We will get there. Yes, thank you, Zach. So just in its most bare bones form, a 1% for art program is a way to leverage private funding and encourage the private sector to invest in public art or in art that is in a space for public enjoyment. So the city historically we have leveraged partners like the CVB. I list a bunch in here the CVB, John Street beautification in the art spot, leadership John's Creek we've also leveraged funds from Fulton County Arts and Culture, so other governments, nonprofits, but we have yet to really hone in on private funding as a source. So a 1% for art program, and its most stripped down form is either the voluntary or compulsory, contribution of 1% of either total construction cost or total project cost of a new or redevelopment. The city or an entity requests that 1% of whatever that costs is be put towards public art. Whether that be a piece of art on that private developer's property, or they can contribute, they can cut a check and it goes into a city art fund, public art fund, that then a body like ACE in Swansea, it's a public art commission and then in pastry corners the other example in here it is a the arts council. That body then decides how to spend that money on public art and it's usually driven by an arts and culture or public art master plan. So the research compiled here, you can read a little bit more about the nitty gritty of each of these programs. I pulled them for a couple reasons. The Swanee program is older and it's more established and it's very successful. I don't know if any of you have visited Swanannitown Center, but it is bursting with art. So they started their program in 2008 and have been developing it and growing it ever since. And there are a couple advantages to that being a more established program. Peachtree Corner's program is newer, and it's driven from a slightly different angle on the staff side. But before I get to into the minutiae after going through what are the characteristics of these programs. After giving it some thought I was able to identify and in talking with these folks. So the people who work at these cities who administer these programs, getting their recommendations, their thoughts, what they would do, what they wouldn't do, identifying some common characteristics of success. So both of these programs focus on resources and relationship building. So they don't just say, hey, local business, we would really love for you to put some art on your property. A business owner, very well, mega cool. That would be awesome, but like, how do I do that? How do I even start? Who do I talk to? Where do I put it on my property? Do you know an artist? Like, how much does art cost? So both of these programs target that and provide a number of resources from the get go. So they're kind of with them every step of the way. Swani also has the advantage being older. They have developed this very robust artist registry that it makes it very easy for businesses who are approached or interested to put public art. It's a really simple process for them. They make it very easy to do. So the second common characteristic in talking with the folks who administer these programs is the staffing support. Our friends from Swannie give us some really great advice because when they started this program, it was a responsibility among many for one particular person, right? As the program has grown, they said this program will take double the time that you think it will of staff bandwidth. It just takes a lot of coordination and work and it's a high community touch program. So now they have several people actually who work on this, not as a dedicated responsibility, but as a core responsibility. They have someone who's a special projects coordinator and they also have someone in their community development department who works in planning that actually helps with some of the permitting for these things. But more than that, it involves economic development. It involves public works. It involves wrecking parks, it involves a huge number of people. Puechery Corners, the program admin lives with economic development because they are leaner as a city, like they don't have as many traditional city services, like they don't provide police and fire. So, and I don't know if they do wrecking parks either actually, they don't. So it made sense for theirs to live with economics development. Last thing I just want to touch on is identity alignment. So both of these cities have come out and said art is important to us. And not only just any art, but we as a community have an identity that we want to be supported by the kind of art that we look for and install in our community. So it all goes to greater themes that support the brandy and identity of that place. Like Swani, to me, I mean I grew up there, but Swani is identity of that place. Swany, I mean I grew up there, but Swany is an artsy place. And they knew that from the get-go. So implementing a program like this, it made sense. Peachtree Corners is not what you necessarily think of as like an artsy place. But they know that about themselves. So in their public art initiative, which was a big master plan that they did in 2020, they identify some specific themes that align with Peachtree Corner's mission vision, kind of what they're vibe as a city is so to speak. So, or I continue to the recommendations that I have. Do we have any questions about any of the research or? I have a question. So it's strictly voluntary, right? We're not, there's no 1% tax or anything like that. We're not gonna, you know. So that is one of the recommendations. Yes. Okay. The thought is that it would be voluntary. The thought is that it would be voluntary. You are, we were hard pressed to find compulsory examples. Typically these programs are voluntary. There are things that we can do that compel folks to want to participate. Because at the end of the day, installing art is a benefit to those who install it. It's a known driver of placemaking, economic development. So the thought in one of, in, we'll get to this, one of these recommendations. But the way that swanney and peachy corners invite developers in and make people aware of it is they as part of the permitting process require a development to come and appear before whatever authority public art commission arts council and basically explain how they plan to incorporate public art into their development. Now, developers can come and say, we don't plan to do that. And that is totally their prerogative, but as part of the process they're required to appear before the spot. Half of it is an awareness, and just maybe a developer isn't thinking about art on their property. Just, you know, when we're having 40 year high inflation, it wouldn't be very nice to sit there and tell a business that you have to provide 1% of, you know. Yes. So, voluntary is, yeah, perfect. Well, no, I just had two questions. So, this is going to be public art on private property. Private, is that correct? So the goal is to get more art everywhere. Okay. At the very crux of it, that is the goal. Is we want more art everywhere. Ideally, if a business is gonna choose to put art in their property, we would encourage them to do it in a place that is visibly accessible to the public, maybe even walkable to the public, like here in the town center area. If a hotel's gonna put in a piece of art, like we would encourage them, it would benefit you to put it, you know, near the walking trail because that is where you're going to get a lot of foot traffic. But more, all art is good art in getting more of it and making it a part of our community. So if someone chooses to put it on their property, ideally it's publicly accessible. But otherwise, the funds that they contribute, if they decide not to do that, and they say, well, we'd rather just give you some money towards public art. That is something that whatever authoritative body, which in all likelihood be you, you get to decide, say, OK, we got $15,000 from a project. Here are some suggestions for places you could put a piece of public art and then you kind of get to lead and orchestrate that process. But now you have money to do that and execute. So what about peach tree corners and swanney? How successful have they been? Which way did they get the money? Was it through voluntary measures or compulsion? So both programs are voluntary. They're totally voluntary. So swanney's program has been particularly successful since their program origin. I have a few stats here because I knew that question would come up. Approximately 80 developments have appeared before the Public Art Commission. So that's 50, how many years? 50, more than 15 years? Ish? A good chunk of time. And about 80% of those that appeared before the board came to fruition. Now, some developments just don't happen. Right? Like they fizzle out. The rezoning doesn't work out. Not all of those were just failure to execute. But they have anywhere between three and eight developments per year. And in total, they have gotten $170,000 in lieu of actual art installations over the entirety of the program. So it's no small sum that they've gotten. That's in addition to the art that developers just have to do on their own. Correct. Correct. Haska hypothetical scenario if we did a full-series, I don't know, send a word right, if we Correct present and our idea that we don't actually, it doesn't matter if we vote yes or no on, they just have to come here and present something. That's my worry is that it's making someone come to this meeting and present something that we don't actually say yes or no or suggest anything on, but they're just required to present something. So no, great point. I would say that in that particular circumstance, we would probably do our best to accommodate someone so that like a skydiving or something. Yeah. It the the thought is that if they're coming before you to talk about art, you are providing input and you would be the deciding body or at least an influential body. So I asked one of you this question because I was like, you've kind of have some people who just come and don't have anything. I mean, the woman that I was speaking to should count on one hand in the entirety of the program the number of times that had happened. So and maybe more so in the beginning, but like I said, over time, the benefits really are to them if they're able to invest in art, like there are known benefits to it. So of course, we wouldn't want to make people appear frivolously, but if we're serious about encouraging that the compulsory appearance is a way to just make them aware and make them think about it. I will also say in your example, typically the developments that are engaged through this program are not residential, I would target commercial. That is a very is a clear and easy distinction to make because so my thought to you then Amazon warehouse that's going to be a big development. That's going to be a lot of money. If they if and so if they don't want to put art on their property they might be willing to write nice check to the city's public art find. Right. Right. The idea of like, Joe's, and the tow truck company, and the way it is, Joe's company, and he required it to come to the percent or idea, and that's not really a place that he would go to, or he should just go to it all. Sure. Yeah. I don't know, like, speak on this, kind of coming in fresh as well, but I think the idea is to create that exact idea of like we do want to see more art within the city, even when it's not what your typical art location would be. And I think Olivia touched on that at the beginning talking about like how can you then bring it towards a pathway, a walkway apart or front facing but it could be as simple as even if it's like the tow truck. What can that be? Could that be on a tow truck? Something that's parked outside? Could it be a brilliant sign just to you know showcase your new business? I mean you can get creative with stuff and then if people are, I have no idea how to make my Joe Tote-Tote truck place, have a art piece. That's what the meetings for is that we're providing an opportunity for commercial businesses to come in that may have no idea how to do any of that and then give suggestions. And if they're still like, I have no idea no idea but I love the idea I'd like to contribute That's the next step So essentially that money, the checks that it grows, is at your disposal to then decide what you want to do. So say you get over the course of three months, you get $37,000, you know, contributions. You don't have to decide to spend each one after you get it. Like that money will sit there as long that is a fund is something that rolls over year to year. Those funds never expire. They never go anywhere. So you can decide to save up. You could decide to, you know, we want to wait until we have X amount of dollars and then do three different art projects, you know, that are all related. One piece of this that I envision will be more fleshed out in the coming year hopefully is the Public Art Master Plan component. Cause the one that we have was done in 2013 by Leadership Johns Creek as a collaborative effort. I'm honestly not 100% sure if that plan was ever formally adopted by the council. So that is, it has been a, it was. Okay, so it is a guiding document, but it is now a decade, over a decade old. So behind the scenes, we are working on some maps that will basically lay out, okay, where do we have art existing? And then where are some potential locations that would be really great to have a piece of art? So you will have that list to say, you know, I would really like to tackle this area. And this group could also help brainstorm themes for what do we want this art to be? Do we want it to be nature themed? Do we want it to be abstract? Do we want it to be sculpture? Do we want it to be nature themed? Do we want it to be abstract? Do we want it to be sculpture? Do we want it to be a mural like that Casting that vision I think is something that will be developed because we're working on a decade-old plan The content of which a lot of it is still relevant the evergreen kind of content in it A lot of it is still relevant, the evergreen kind of content in it, but I think I also attached the Peachtree Corner's Public Art Initiative because I just thought it was really good and comprehensive just as an example of something like what we might be able to do. But there are things that we can do in the meantime that aren't this like full blown, a consultant did this for them. So there are components of this that we can do kind of as we're growing and developing and then if we get to a place to do a master plan then we can go from there. So, no, that's a great question. So if you look on page three of the memo in the program structure recommendation section, the one, two, three, fourth paragraph down, I talk about designating an authoritative body. So there are a couple different models on how you can do this, like what role does a board like ACE play? So the first option would be that the council would designate ACE as the sole authoritative body, so developers would present proposals and you would recommend expenditure of public art fund money. Second option is that ACE would be the recommending body for public art fund money, but staff would develop an internal review committee that developers would present before to speak to some of those, not concerns, but like this structural components, the placement on site, some of the more technical things, not just the aesthetic of the art. And then the third option which was recommended to include just at for thought, or when we're talking with some of our counter parts, they recommended having a board that solely, if we're going to really like do it, like have a sole board that reviews the art proposals, because given that this is the arts, culture, and entertainment committee, there's a lot more that you do than just art. So just to consider that maybe that's not what you signed up for. Maybe you're not interested in participating in that. So an option to create another board. Based on my conversations behind the scenes, I don't know that that's the way that the council will go. Another option that's not included on here because we are not in a place to do it. Some other communities will designate a third party nonprofit partner to be the authoritative body and the executor of something like a public art plan like Razzwell. Yeah. But we are my professional opinion and just my understanding of this is that we're still defining what our role is in art and what we want it to be and still casting a vision. It doesn't make sense to either create a third party nonprofit. I don't think it would make sense to solely utilize our friends at the art center if they'd be even interested in that. So that's why it's not included as an option on here, but that is something that other places do. I know the mention of the Council of Transportation, but it does make sense to me that if we were to do something and for me that that would fill up our document quite a bit as a committee and that, or Saturday, March, so it does make sense of the community and that we're starting to be hard, so it doesn't make sense every of us, but I feel like almost the public workforce can be separate and like an event and a meeting and this, this event served huge, or a meeting already, and I think the song we have for a lot of people that for me is just to present their hard and big hits. It doesn't seem like a lot of things are happening, So just to speak to that, this program is typically targeted towards new construction, or like major redevelopments. So the quantity actually, I don't anticipate it would be something that would overwhelm the docket. You wouldn't be able to talk about anything else if that did kind of fall under your purview. But, totally, I hear your concern, for sure. I guess, I think it's more like the work of the BCA I hear your concern, for sure. Yes, it would be a cadence that you could not necessarily control, if that makes sense. Wherever they were in the permitting process and kind of fleshing that out, it would just depend on. I kind of think, you know, there's been so many months where we don't meet because there's nothing to talk about that actually that might actually be a good thing is to have the people come in and talk to us. And I understand Zach's point as well that, you know, that's going to take a lot of that time up that we have. But, you know, maybe we could, you know, add an extra half hour to those particular meetings or maybe a little bit more time or something. You know, just, yeah. as well. This may be the starting place and we see how it goes and if we meet in the body there may be a time for that but I think initially in the little exciting, you know. Get more involved more than a little. Yeah, I mean, to get to get more involved. And it's, you know, I mean, I read a little bit over this today before I came. And that was one of the ones I was really curious about that you were going to talk about the three different designations. I will see like talking about some of the other locations and how they've handled it. Swainian peach tree like they got to go or not. They figured it out like you go anywhere in the city. You're going to see the art and what's exciting is having a body like aes that is a community ran, is having a body like Ace that is a community ran committee. You guys are in it. You're the soil that's out there in the city. And when you have a third party come in and have a fund and arts fund or a third party entity that is just doing that and that's all they do. They may not even be a citizen of John's Creek. So, right, there's no investment. So I think it's kind of exciting to have that. And for me, coming in totally brand new, I'm learning as much as I can about everything quickly on my eighth day. But for A's, one of my first questions was, okay, art, what do they do for art. What do they do for art? What can they do for art? Okay, culture. Okay, what are we doing? So I'm trying to figure out what each part of A's is really tacking on to. And I think this would be a really rich idea for you all if you're interested in it too. And the way, you know, also with council, the way that they'll swing with it. That's the other part of it. And this to speak to what Corinne just said, I recall there being times when this body has had ideas for art or gotten proposals for art. And there's there's just not funding that's dedicated for it and you're kind of like that would be really cool but we don't really have a way to do it. This can be a great start into looking towards that future that no matter what public funding like city in the budget funding gets designated for public art if any. This is a way that we can keep trying to support public art and integrating it into the community, which is really cool. The other just we touched on a couple of my like program structure recommendations, but just to go through them quickly, I am recommending that the program would be voluntary. I heard that loud and clear. So that is, that will definitely be the recommendation to council and I imagine that will likely be the propensity that they have as well. The second, for, this is more of an internal management, but the thought is that at least to start because this program will touch so many different departments, it will touch public works because right now they are the ones who approve the safety and locations of public or public property. It will affect community development because this will be an added component to their permitting process. added component to their permitting process. It will affect reckon parks because Kerrana is here and she is, and she is your Designi but she also has a background in art And we may be putting art in the parks. It makes sense to have all of these different When efforts require a lot of coordination Having them live in the city manager's office is Typically the way we go. So that would probably be me. But until such time that if ever we decide to hire someone like with a specific art roll and focus, that's my, that's going to be my recommendation to the council. We already talked about designating authority to body. Am I hearing that we would you as ACE would recommend option number one? Having you fulfill both roles. Great. Awesome. Okay. Then getting to last bolded recommendation and speaking to identity because we are still forming our identity in a lot of ways, at least from the city perspective, the community obviously, and the arts community here, is living, breathing, it's thriving. But figuring out from the city perspective, like what that looks like, developing some criteria questions that will be posed when considering a piece of art. Swani has a couple great examples as district corners. They aren't necessarily to do with subject matter of the art, but more about does this enhance the site and the community? Is it relevant to the community? Does it relate to community history? Is it appropriate for viewers? That's how you weed out, any more extreme pieces of art that maybe aren't aligned with our community identity and what we wanna see. Um, ask about that criteria. I think you said there is an idea of 11 criteria in history on street, agenda and what we want to see. Of course. So that's a great question. I think that it is up to the discretion of how we build the program. Can you have any thoughts on that? the first initial step of what wording and verbiage is being supplied to developers right off the bat. So there's no question and if we were talking about Joe's dump trucks comes out and they got you know big ol' pod dirt and it's like okay well you know some people may not like that how do we make that more of a spicier initiatives to where people are actually going to want to go see this thing? And is it a lining with the other 12 things that we have now on this very interactive map that people can find this public art? And it's not necessarily saying like yes or no, but it's giving them the options from the very beginning and the knowledge from the very beginning so there isn't like a denial process if that makes sense from my experience it's a little bit easier because it takes like less work for everyone in the long run Absolutely Well, I can also see it being where when a developer is coming in and they're like, look, you know, we have an idea, we'd love to put a mural up, but we don't know what kind of mural that's going to happen a lot, where they're just looking for that advice and what you kind of touched on was like, we're not experts in that. Well, that's where the last bullet point comes in, where there is public works. There is rec and parks, there are people that we can tap into and reach out to the local artists to be included in those conversations. So it's like limiting the options because it's not like a free-for-hour like, okay, come present and it's just like some random can and it's like, okay, what is that, what does that mean to us? So you can definitely start with having the criteria laid out to where it's giving them less options, but the right options. Absolutely, absolutely. Family oriented, but also just kind of touching on like, if it's historic, what does that mean? Like giving them those details enough from the beginning that someone who may come into the room right off the bat that doesn't have an idea may then have an idea because they saw the criteria right off the bat. That's just like in my mind what I see it like being more successful especially for the group. For example, like on number 9, everyone here are facing the attention of the work, what is the message for the work? And what are these thoughts and principles for the opposite messages to our families that are the first communities and initiatives until is this criteria to think something I would say I would love to have a copy of whatever you have done. I would love that. And once this gets the full nuts and bolts and blessing from the council. Then we can really hone in on exactly what we want that to look like. But I would love to see what you have come up with. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions or feedback you would like for myself slash Corinne to incorporate into this memo before it goes to council. Any other recommendations you want to just? Yes, correct. So it will go to is currently slated for the July 8th council meeting because the timeline was just a little bit too short for next Monday's meeting um and once we get their blessing um we will sort of get down to okay how do we implement this thing is there are gonna be a start date at what point is it gonna be incorporated into the permitting process, like working through some of those admin parts, but we will anticipate come back to you for further discussion on the criteria questions probably at the July meeting. Yep. Can we go to the public, but there's no opportunity for public comment. So you can absolutely come or watch online if you're interested to hear what the discussion is all about, that is totally, you totally do that. There are a couple of different ways we could go about like implementing in terms of formalizing this program. Like for example, Putri Corners passed a resolution that was like a resolution of support for staff to develop this program. Swani did it all internally. Like once we got the yes, go forth. They just did it. There was no like big formal resolution or anything like that. So my recommendation will be the probably the ladder so that we're not bound by any restrictive. Well, the resolution said this, so we have to do exactly that. But that will kind of depend on the council's appetite. So we should have to see. Well, if you have, yeah, it's going to be really, it's going to be really cool. If you have any other questions in the meantime, feel free to email me slash Karen. And I look forward to diving in more. I think it's going to be really awesome. It's going to be really awesome. It's gonna be really cool. I am, but just to let you guys know my email is changing this week. My last name is changed, so you may see, it still says Corinne, so you just may see a different last name. That's all. Yeah, but I am on it. I meant to mention that with Juneteenth as well. But I coming into this, I want you guys to know, like anytime do this. I think I'm going to be able to do this. I think I'm going to be able to do this. I think I'm going to be able to do this. I think I'm going to be able to do this. I think I'm going to be able to do this. I think I'm going to be able to do this. I think I'm going to be able to do this. I think I'm going to be'm here I'm ready. I do not recall off the top of the... Let me look into that. Yeah, I'm honestly not, the agenda hasn't been set for the July 8th meeting formally yet, like the council meeting or the work session. So, unclear, but we will look into it. We will look into it. I know we're working on it behind the scenes. Karin is working on it behind the scenes. Eighth things in. My first event is Saturday. Yeah. The Juneteenth Committee. My next one is Independence Day and I wanted to plug that if you guys want to come out to that. Yes, make sure you come. It's Wednesday, July 3rd. I got an awesome inflatable obstacle course so I expect all of you in it. Base paint and all. Yeah, I am again just trying to grab all of these like loose ends and tie them myself and where I can kind of plug in. I will be a part of there are 10 culturally driven special events that's what I'm going to take charge on. So that's going to be Defeatl Days, Diwali, June Teens, Independence Day, Holly Jolly, Lunar New Year. I got it all right here. I feel like there's another one. But that's okay. Yes. Bunny hop. Yes, thank you. Tell me what else do I have? Literary fare and the arts festival. There it is. That's still going to be parks through Dylan and Kara. Yes. Same. Yeah. So I'm taking on the larger scale culturally driven special events. Oh, this is going to be lovely. It's going to be a breeze through the year. 20 in time. Right now. My first event. I'm sorry. Thank you guys. Okay. Yeah, there's other business. Anyone money can share with her. Okay, there's no further items on your list. Let's do it. Okay, this is her right now. Should we be in the next one? I think so. I did remember. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.