Let's bring the court to order, please. The record on members of the court are present. We have one item on the agenda, commissioners, is from the auditor regarding grant funding or lack of grant funding. And I'll turn it over to Philis. By the way, we may be getting a call from Congressman Brady at any time. He wants to give us that very, very brief synopsis that we're schooling on right now as far as the government shut down. So we may be getting that on a conference call at any time, but let's go ahead and continue, Phyllis. Gentlemen, thank you for coming in today for this special session. I've prepared and presented to you two separate spreadsheets that list grants that originate from the federal government for which we thought Montgomery County needed some sort of analysis. The first one is exclusively highlighted in blue. These are grants that have expired. Their end date happened before the federal shutdown. We feel that with these particular grants, all that is at risk is that we might get reversed later than we traditionally would. It is our intent to, if it's available, still go online. If it's an online filing requirement and file for reimbursement for these grants, even though we know we won't get reimbursed right away. That way there's not an opportunity to later date for them to maybe have a challenge because we didn't submit in a timely fashion. We don't have anything in bluefish. Let me get you those, I'm sorry. We'll start off in. Right? Red. Okay. The ones that says not drastically affected. Okay. That's what you're calling blue. Okay. That's that's what you're calling blue. Okay. Got you. So in the case of those grants as you can see on the bottom page they're in excess of $47 million but we really do feel that the only risk the county has is to get reimbursed later than they might traditionally do. The next spreadsheet that you have has grants that we want to present to you as if they have any level of risk at all. These are grants that began October 1st or later. They do have something at risk that we feel until the federal government comes back into operation. We do feel that the risks we've tried to rank them for you as to whether they are low through high. In this particular case we have ranked high just in the interest of giving you some sort of a scale. In actuality we do feel that there's a very high likelihood of a reimbursement from this but we do not have anything in writing giving us a reason for that. Our reasons are because of past history of how these furloughs have been treated. So right now what seems to be at risk on the highest level or indeed the grants that are associated with your community development program. You receive three of those every year. They're at the Highdlement Grants. Those grants are for community development block program. Therefore, the home program and they're for the ESG program. We've put in for you the portion of personnel. We've spoken to other entities, those other entities, as well as we at this level are not starting new programs that would normally have started October 1st. These grants do carry over from year to year. If all the funds aren't expended, we have a large number of years to be able to finish the projects. We feel that grants that still have carry over from previous years with those projects are not at risk. We are still comfortable with those projects going forward. It's the new grants and we can stop those projects but included in the new grant is indeed personnel. So we've broken that out for you. It is the top three pink lines and we do feel that those do have a certain level of risk. Here's why. The fight on federal level is over 2014 allocations. Apprope appropriations have not even happened yet. The contract which I received from HUD on September 26th, which is getting ready to come through court for my Cump for this year that started three days ago is a fiscal year 2013 grant Those funds were allocated a year ago They're there there say they're in the system. So I can actually be using My real-time funds for this coming year because what the feds are fighting over is next year. Now the reason that HUD employees are furloughed is because they live in real time. We don't live in real time. We live in starlight. Our money is all a year old before we ever see it. So I don't believe that there's any risk whatsoever on my programs and just to make sure we contacted about 20 other jurisdictions in the region and all 20 of them send in emails agreeing. They're operating, they're fine, there is no risk. I just wanted to. Do we confirm that with HUD to those dying hearts? HUD is shut down. So we cannot, but I mean it's in the regs and it is written in the HUD guidelines for shut down, which I have a copy of actually right here, tabbed and let me find it. It's in the question and answer section on page 63 who ever looked in for it. The question for under community development is, will I be able to submit vouchers on behalf of my organization and make authorized drawdowns for approved CPD program activities, including homeless, CDBG, home and hop-up, from the locks system during the closure period? The answer is yes. The ability to make authorized drawdowns of pre-fiscal year 2014 program funds will continue uninterrupted unless it's necessary for a HUD employee to approve a voucher or list of systematic, which is not ours is automatic and so the grant that started three days ago is a 2013 you're good for a year I'm good for a year is administrative money in there for side that that's what's an issue is personnel cost I know that and yes the money is in there it's a full allocation the money is in there the money is here now it's in our treasury, which means that it's available for drawdown. So listen, Montgomery County Treasures. You want to explain that to them? Okay. Sure, Montgomery County operates those grants as we do the majority of our grants, which is on a reimbursement basis. So what the process is for these HUD funds, Joanne submits an action report to you guys. She gives you a five-year action plan. She presents you also with a caper. She also submits those to HUD for approval. They approve those programs in advance. We pay for those programs and then we submit for reimbursements on a regular basis from HUD. Some entities do get that funding up front, but Montgomery County has not operated that way to the best of my knowledge ever with these HUD grants. So if we were to submit a request for funding right now, is there somebody there to submit it to to get it? It's automatic. There's no one there to receive it, but I do understand, and I haven't seen it yet, but I do understand that Joanne did receive an actual grant. Is it signed from Sandra? Yes, it is. Because that's actually another level of assurance that we have that even if HUD did come back later, the federal government did come back later and say, these are 14 funds, it might be semantics and they would try to withhold that funding. We received just this week a signed grant contract from HUD, apparently they dropped it in the mail on their way out the door before October 1st. Yes, but if we submit, if we were, we request reimbursement today, we're not going to get it until HUD is back. Who's going to be there to approve it? The IDIS systems automatic. We are drawing money out of our Treasury account. We are not, now some of the other grants, somebody has to be there to approve them and you guys are going to be hearing not good things. I think the confusion is the use of the word treasury fund. I believe what Dr. Sharpe is talking about is it is actually fund with the United States Treasury that you automatically withdraw from based upon these submissions. Okay. And that is up and running based upon the submission. Okay. And that is up and running unavailable. Yes, sir. We are able to do draws on previous years grants, correct? Yes. I know that you told me IBIS is up and we anticipate actually receiving those funds even while the federal government is closed. We have not tried it yet. We're not pod we believe it or but we do believe that that would work. I would also like to point out that when I first started this job we hadn't done a drawdown in eight months so I mean there was the ability to expand a little bit. I don't want to be a burden on the county's general fund. We are not. We actually have a large amount, there's a little debate going on between my finance person and the auditor's office about exactly how much we have, whether it's 116,000 or 130,000, we have that available from 2012 admin that we can actually draw as we need to until it's gone, it gets made up for in the new year. You know, I've passed my year. Will that take us with you and your staff? I'm sorry. How long would 116,000 take us along? The 2012 money would take us for close to three months. The 2013 money that just started will take us before year. But that's just salaries, right? The 130,000 that she's talking about is only salary money, yes sir. But the new money that's starting with the 2013 grant, that's everything, all my admin for the year. But the 12 money you can use it for salaries? I can use it for salaries. I can use it for salaries yet. So we can let if I understand this right, CDB can still operate for three months. No questions there. The money's there. Yeah. That's true. A year and three months. Now I'm talking about the 116 down. Yeah. You got your pocket. The 2012 will operate in for at least three months. No questions. You agree with that. I was under the impression that we could only use current year funding for admin money. No, that was an internal memo for me as I was trying to clean up all the old years. When I arrived, we were pulling admin money from five years before. And it was just all over the place. And I do have to operate under an admin cap. I can't exceed 20% of my grant in the real year that we're in. And we were pulling admin, old admin money from all over the place and you know I'm a little anil and I couldn't sleep at night not knowing exactly where I was in my drawdowns. So we froze all that old money and swept it out and cleaned it out. You were here, remember we did this. And started operating in our grant year real time for our admin. It's not a federal requirement. The only federal requirement is that I not exceed 20% in any given year. It's pretty complex. I don't really see a problem with allowing CDBG to operate for three months, so we can look at it again if it's still going on. We can do that too. Any other comments from the commissioners, and I think I have individually. I don't think it's right for the McGurly County taxpayers to pick up the federal government's commitments to find these grants and that's what it amounts to. Well I think we all agree with that. This one here doesn't seem to be in that. And I think, oh I agree, it seems to be as easy as different. And I think we all agree with that premise, I agree. And I would say as long as there is money, hold over, pre-funding, or what have you, as long as there's money to operate, that's fine. Keep operating. When the money stops, so... Okay, okay. Conor's in something like something like when the money stops We're gonna have to have some furloughs Some layoffs just like the federal government's having Why should we be exempt When everybody else is having to bite the bullet also I think all the commissioners agree with that basic premise. I think the only other issue we have and I think we all you're correct with great from what I've and we talked about today I think there is a statute that we requires us to operate a drug court. Is that true? Is Kristen here? Yes, sir. That is one of the requirements in front of us. And do you have money available to do that? Access the dollars that are still available to some of your grants or is that shut down completely at this point. That particular project is funded partly through a county budget and it is far and about that we could still use county funds. Okay, we use current money and if we catch out. And we would bring that back to you if it seems problematic in the future. Okay, okay, okay. We just have a community development. Okay. Good. I think that requirement that men and children requirement have a drug court is if there's money. I don't think there's a mandatory requirement to have a drug court if there is no money and no grants. Is that true or not? It does state that any county over to knows how the people is required to use the drug court. I know I'm spending it's been keeping I know that if we don't have a direct court that will affect our And it comes from the We either way we're covered for now. We're we're covered for now. How long are you covered for now? Okay, good Okay. Good. Good. Good issues. We can go into this. I don't see any issue of reason to. I don't either. If everyone of these issues are covered by some funding currently, it's there to last for a while. As long as there's dollars available, I'll continue operating as usual. And what we can do is, as the judge indicated, we can do that. We can do that. We can do that. We can do that. We are covered by some funding currently. It's there to last for a while, and I don't know. As long as there's dollars available, continue operating as usual. And what we can do is, as the judge indicated, if we get to a point where it seems that we would run out of the funding that's maybe the county match for a possible carry with some of these granting agencies have funds from the previous year that they can allocate to our current year. Because it seems that we might be getting to that point, we can bring it back to the commission and score during the next couple of minutes. Okay, let's go to Congress for a ready. Yes, thanks. I can't have an empty here. It's time. Yeah, I can't just great. I'm going to go through. I'm going to have that in here. Great. Congressman, thank you for this update. Can you hear me? Doing good. Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. Great. Both the look and the commissioners said just thanks for flipping me calling. Real brief. I know your days. It's very busy. I just want to quickly check where we're at in the scope and shut down. So, Jeff, thanks for pulling me on real brief. I know your day is very busy. I just want to quickly check where we're at in this government shutdown. And also here from you on the federal public, what are the impacts of the county's feeling and what shall I be taking into consideration and to build to this. And you know, government shutdowns don't happen very often, but they're pretty serious matters. They're really packed on House we've actually pointed the gochers have been at the table We're ready to talk if it was all these issues in the Democratic control center will join us. We really only have one condition in the legislation passed to the Senate, and that is that, to state the special treatment, the members of Congress get out of the public care to present to us before he left for vacation in August. We just think, if I instilled four years, I would not believe what public cares about me and certain. But I'm still about to take all of this at one end, especially those who have passed this bill shouldn't go any under that law as well. And the other part of that condition is that, earlier this year, recognizing that a bomb of care is not ready for business, another president gave one to your waiver. So the businesses aren't forced, don't have to put the health care on January 1st. We think here we are providing school treatment to workers as well. We think they ought to give the one to your waiver, just like the companies did. So they're not forced into the affordable care. But this needs to look at something that the county wants to, or wants to be a part of Medicaid grade, but no American. It's forced into those plans of January 1st, just like the differences that are forced to say the plans of January 1st. Our bottom line is no special treatment. But we think that's very reasonable serving the public support staff. January 1st, our final line is no special treatment. We think that is very reasonable, serving the public support staff. So whether they may open that down, it's chaining out a very strong way. And we hope that we can consider and come table in the meantime. We've been bloodshed and judged. We did push the bill through the president's eye to make sure that our troops are paid during the government shutdown. I would rather we start a mission here on the Iraq War veteran, maybe a lot of people in the county and families are serving as, and you know, we'll risk your life or freedom. You shouldn't have to be a family home. Shouldn't have 40 or wait for paycheck to pay not come until, please, the President's time to have or needs to be done. We have legislation. I'm having to make sure we pay our guard in our reserves. That's a special warning that the county of California is up in to take emissions for our for So it's outrageous that the government has closed off, barricaded the World War II on the end of this. When we've done honor, fight, and fight, what's in tact with today, that has flown up to the camp, will go to the world that indicated the end of their honor, and they're waiting for them from them going in there. We need all that's wrong. And so we passed those over home as well as fully funding to make sure that we're using the shield of the control by trying to buy a high-force wing. That legislation is either both down and not taking up the Senate. So I don't know what we're wanting. And all of this, it's resolved. I'm probably saying the model, the model, the model, it what the link is. All of this gets resolved. I'm hoping to see the. The big model of the future of all ideas what it is. So my question to you is what impact are you seeing at the county level? What area is shut up? Kevin and we just talked about that as far as the county grants were concerned. And fortunately we are in pretty good shape with some pre-funding, advanced funding, holdovers, etc. to keep most critical components going. Now how long that is, I can't tell you, whether this goes on for a year, maybe a different story. But this is so new. Commissioner, you may want to chime in. If you have anything you want to add, I have not heard of anything of the critical nature locally. Of course, the air traffic controllers at the airport have been talked about even before the shutdown of the federal government. So that's really a separate issue. One of my frustrations is that the end of it was set down under the budget and I had, you know, against the President, I almost had limited support, I wished a job, which worked for sale, the job, and which one's done. And it seems to me that we, for example, were with our veterans, we were fully funding our disability payments that G.I. built up. The education agency is being home loans. And we're finding that some of our veterans' case workers have a VA and been thrilled of. And I would say to me, both in the self-cruel administration, and the VA, that those are essential services. Those people ought to be at the child because you will be in the decisions now for veterans or if you're really a genuine folks curious, you need to be able to answer those questions and someone I'm frustrated with those who have been for a long because I think those I'm not asking those are essential services. because I think those on my national and both are essential services. Well, I think we agree with that. We just went through this mic. We just went through the grants that we, somebody affected, and we seem to have, the shortest span we have is three months. Words of admin cost that we can stay open. We can do the same business. Part of our CDBG money. But after that three months, and I think we've got enough money to go a year on it. But after three months, we'd probably have to look at it again. But the quick brush that we just had, we seem to be fine. So... Well, this, this, this, you guys, this county's been running from a super-y sound, and it is, that's a reason to take care of it, and it's a good shape because of that. I don't know how long this will last, but I certainly don't expect it to be even months. I think the dead ceiling of the barn will move for the public countries as we hear over 70. I think that right now conventional wisdom is that we'll resolve both the government shutdown and the current debt deal. I'm getting the same time. One thing I can predict is that the President wants absolutely unlimited. The authority actually knows checks about this for raising the debt limit. That's not gonna happen. We still are deep, financial trouble is a country. So scared that they're still people deep financial troubles of country so scared that you're still deep financial shape Good Perhaps the issue is going to have to go here next year. Good. Well Kevin, we sure appreciate your update. Well, Bob, this is a big bonus. Should I show that with a decal I mean, a decal I'm a head of the tech staff and the DEA grant as well. And some of them, it's hard to get an answer because there's the office is home, but it's so easy to meet here. This goes on much longer in the way and try to get some inside with the day and the day. We'll certainly be glad to do that. Just let Tom and Noel have more work. Great. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you. It's a good thing. Okay. Anything else, commissioners? Move the adjourn. All the favor, CL.