I can start. Let's go. All right. I know it's a shot when we'll let's get the party started. We confirm that we have quorum. Director, let's start with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under our physical liberty and justice for all. Thank you for that. If we can have a roll call of the members. Mr. Thompson, Mr. Schenbaum. Present. Mr. Heifler. Present. Mr. Thomas. Present. Mr. Kreifberg. Here. Ms. Musumeon. Present. Chair St. Bill. Present. Chair, you officially have a form. Okay. Item three would be approval of the June 10th, 2024 meeting minutes. We have a motion to approve it. We have a second. We have a motion in a second. All in favor say aye. All opposed. Aye. Aye. Carry. Item 4 will be ledges. We don't have anything in legislation. We'll be moving on to item 5 2. The Lagrangea restaurant expansion and redesign site plan approval. We're reading before we do that. Is there anyone in the public that's going to be speaking on this item that needs to be sworn in? I think it's a good idea to have a well. I do. I want to firm great Okay, so we have item five two before us We'll be hanging from the applicant as staff first First let's share my mail to treat the Indie direct yes, please read it into the record The five two like round the restaurant expansion reason done Residant, the IPLAN approval, a resolution of the Mayor and City Commission, the City of North Miami beef for approving or denying the site plan application, a recommendation for the expansion to original footprint of the restaurant, locate at 105 North East, 1673, provide refining to fact, confirming expiration and limitation of approval, provide for conflict and providing for an effective date. Both the applicant and staff had the presentation. We recommend that the applicant go first followed by by a supplement from staff as needed for finding the fact. Sounds good. The floor is yours. Right. Do you have any help with the present? There we go. But they have the members of planning and zoning meeting. Well, I'm Fernando Galisi. I'm the owner of Food Robement Investment CELC, the company owner of La Gran Japa Rion 167. Well, I'm in the restaurant business for more than 20 years. I start working for the corporate office in different locations. First I start working as a bass boy. Then I start working as a bus boy, then I started working cashier, then as a cooker, then I was a manager, and then of all I was the operation manager for all the company, for the grand, grand, for, in the time that I've been working, I was making different jobs. At the end, the grand grand gave me the opportunity to open my own franchise. The first one was open in 1901 or 163rd Street, close from the city. And after the good response of the community of the Norma Yamii, we decided to open the second location in 105, no east 167th Street. That's the one we're talking about to expand. Okay. We are only making a minor evaluation. We are not, we are only expanding dining area and the most thing we are going to beautify the property. We are in serving the community for normal and more than 13 years with this to business. All right. Okay. I'm sorry. Well, as I told you, the business located in 105 Northeast 167th Street and it's in the district MUIB Sonny International Boulevard. The building size is 12,1260 square feet and the area is 0.24 acres. The current use is a factor restaurant and we're going to continue with the same use. Okay. Well this is the area view of the restaurant is located in the corner between 167 Street and first Avenue and this is a pointer. Yes, the red button. Where this one? Ah, okay. Okay. Oh. No, it's cold. What happened here? No, I want to. Can you return? Because it's cold. What happened here? No, I want to, can you return? Because it's cold. I don't think we have the registration. And I think it's a piece of this. Let's go here. Let's go back. Okay, so what is the Malaysia? Malaysia? Malaysia? Well, in the front part, you see there's a concrete slab that is going to be the addition. It's not like a new development. It's going to expand in the dining room. We're not making any changes to the main restaurant. And we are complying with all the cult of the M.U.I.B. International Boulevard. Trying to bring the property to the front. Compliant with the setback with everything, okay? Well, this, this fence a little blurry, but in the next one is going to be more clear. Well, I don't know, but in the front part you see 589 square feet. We're going to expand to the front. Right now it's going to be the set by it's going to be 7 feet. And also we're going to expand the sidewalk one more feet as a requirement of the MUIB International Boulevard Code. This, as I said before, is going to be not a big change. We're going to only a minor alteration. We're adding only 5.5 to 90 square feet for the dining area. Well, one of the most important things that we want to do is to verify the property. We want to upgrade the facade and we're going to install new aluminum onings. We're also going to change the doors and windows for impact doors and windows. And we're also going to change the complete roof design. We're going to upgrade the look of this restaurant so we can conform with a new look of the new restaurant that are right now in the area. You know, like McDonald's, like Taco Bell, they are getting more modern. Also, one of the most important things we want that the family of the community of Norm Miami Beach come and enjoy our good food and have a pleasant, you know, environment. So they can afford a good food for a very affordable price. Also, as I told you before, we are going to spend one feed, the sidewalk. right now it's five. We're going to spend two six. We're going to also start bike racks. So this is going to be more attractive for the pedestrians, so we can have more people, you know, in the area. Well, this is the cyborg's plan. Here is more clear. I don't know the point in it's working, but you can figure out more the addition over there in this part. I don't know what's happening. No one. At the time I don't know what's happening. Okay. Well, it's not working. In the shaded part, you know, of the plan. Well, we have, this is not a new development. We are not only adding space from the dining room and imbuedifying the property. So the landscape will remain in cease but we're going to install new planters. So this can beautify the front of the property and to be adequate to have more pedestrian environment. That's amazing. Okay. Also, one of the things I want to do, we're went with the court to review from the city building department. Then we present the plants again. So they signed the paper. We bring it to Durham. We have some approvals from the department. We have approvals from mechanical, electrical, building. But then the process was stopped, but planning and zoning, so we, well, so we stopped and we started the process with the track. But also, but also we have a complete approval for all them department and also fire for Miami day count. We have all the approval. This is the, the Granger that was built in 1982. This looks very old. Right now it's like this. And this is what we want to look like right now. This is what we want to be the change. So, well, the main thing, you know, the city is going to have a better place for eating, a better place for the families to enjoy. And also, this could be bring more, also more jobs today to the community. Okay, well, thank you very much for your attention. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you, Fernando. Thank you, Fernando, for that. Thank you for that. Okay, so we're looking at the application for the expansion of the Lagrange located at 105 North East 167 Street PC file number 2321. So as you've met here, this is Fernando Glalace, the applicant, the property owner of his LLC, which is a Florida Limited Liability Company for group investments LLC. It is located at one of five northeast 167th Street, approximately 0.24 acres, and it is within the mixed youth's international boulevard west zoning district. We currently have the Lagrange restaurant there, as you know, he's doing the expansion of 589 square feet to add that little piece in the front for the dining area. The item before the board is a request for site plan approval to allow for the expansion of the original footprint of the restaurant located at 105 northeast 167th to accommodate the growing demand of the community. The zoning that we have here is MUIBW and little bits of yellow that you see behind that is going to be RS3, which is residential zoning. The proposed site plan is a little small, but if you can see towards the bottom that darker hatched area is what the applicant is proposing. We have looked at the site plan to figure out the queuing and traffic during the trade process and it is compliant with all of those as well. For parking, they're providing 11 spaces, 188 compliant space. They don't need to provide electric vehicle charging spaces or stations. They have a required minimum of 4.5 and they more than exceed that with the total of 12 spaces including that one ADA space. These site plan review criteria, they were reviewed during the trade process for natural environment, parking and circulation, community service and utilities, building structures, orientations and design, signage, CPTED or police, landscaping and lighting and the applicant was found to be in compliance with all of those as well. For the site plan conditions, these were created during the trade process and came from our traffic reviewer. This is the first condition and it states that the applicant is required to address all FDOT comments from the March 14th pre-application meeting as amended before the building permit issuance. These comments include the following, had the subject location, State Road 826, North East 167 Street is an excess class seven roadway with a posted speed of 35 miles per hour. Based on the site plan and the traffic study, it appears that the existing right-end, right out driveway of the State Road is being converted to an ingress only driveway while maintaining the width of a two-way driveway. The width of the driveway at the state road right away should conform to the current FDOT standards. The width of the driving aisle could be widen further inside the site. The drive through counts were collected during one state January 17, 2024 peak periods, please clarify if the typical peak activity for the subject restaurant, if not recommended collecting this data during the anticipated peak periods, the subject restaurant. If not recommended collecting this data during the anticipated peak periods, the proposed increase in traffic constitutes a significant change and will need an access permit, suggest corner clip dedication on the corner of Northeast 167th Street and Northeast First Avenue, existing driveway along State Road will be modified. Traffic op suggests to narrow it, currently in English only striped with two lanes. City requested increased sidewalk width from five feet to six feet, so it conformed with the FDOT standards which he has done. For point number two, the vehicle maneuverability along Northeath 167th Street needs to work with the final FDOT driveway connection design outlined in FDOT pre-app meeting. The applicant must provide site visibility triangles on the site plan, pavement, marking and signage plans and landscape plans per agency criteria for the driveway connections to Northeast First Avenue at the time of permitting before building permit issuance. And lastly, a condition of approval will be developed that requires the applicant to attach the final version of the proposed site plan, sheet 8 applicant to attach the final version of the proposed site plan. She'd 8.1 to the appendix of the upload, I'm sorry, updated traffic statement. The final version of the proposed site plan must depict the final approved FDOT driveway connection design to Northeast 167 Street. And the applicant is aware of these conditions and has agreed to satisfy these conditions prior to the building permitting. Now the board can motion for approval of the site plan. Prior to that, that's after a apologize. We have inadvertently printed the wrong portion of the staff report regarding the land regulation. Because the the quality of the digital hearing, you need to cover what the actual report actually should read while we print out the appropriate item to bring back before you into the record. So for the- Aproposal, I just want to print out the wrong record. For the conditions of the landscaping, all of those are satisfied during the shide process. So the applicant is going to be removing one tree, but that doesn't affect the landscape requirements or the landscape proposal that they're have. So no conditions required for landscaping. The only conditions that they're going to have is going to be for traffic as stated here. Specifically, that needs no record that the applicant have proposed all trees in the plan that you see in the role of slot to be replayed out of one to one ratio as required for mitigation under section 24 that 1198 10 of the code. And that a maximum of 25% of all require a tree within that in the plan you see it's gonna be a palm species. And they have met the crime of the code by providing that landscape plan accordingly. and they have met the crime of the quote by providing that land-k plan accordingly. That's defined that defining the applicants. We would suggest to the planning door and board that the land-k plan would turn to be compliant with Article 9 and Section 24-Daff 58L. We have any items come through either email as far as notice with any issues from public comment anything on that front. We have never received any comment from this within our email or through other correspondence in the community development office. Okay. We do, however, have to open and close public here. Yeah, I didn't know if you were done. No, we had. Okay, yeah. If you don't have a rebuttal at this point, we're going to close and open for public comment. Did you have anything that you wanted to add, Mr. Fernando? No. No, the main thing is, you know, we are trying to make a better place for the community. You know, we, as I talked before, we are in the business more than 13 years. In that place, where before, like, I don't know, it was basking Robert, I don't know, another place. So they changed, they moved, they changed and changed. And we are the only restaurant that we could survive in that location so So I want the opportunity to increase you know the the side of the building of the dining room and to make be a creator the Location okay. Thank you. Thank you applicant. Thank you staff Mr. Chairman why are we waiting? If you'd allow me to make a comment. Definitely. Staff preempted me by checking that it is a Florida corporation. I also wanted to mention that the I was not familiar until today with the MU1B. Is it? I B need international bouvard, right? Yeah, I know a term in there that is really interesting. We're supposed to promote pedestrianization. It took me a while to practice saying that. I had never seen that in that format. Also, I was intrigued by the fact that we're supposed to be encouraging multicultural venues, I guess, and the example that's given is Chinatown. This is not quite that, but Lagranha really hits the nerve here in Miami-Dade County. So that's very attractive on your part and very much in compliance with all of the requirements of that's only classification. Thank you very much. Thank you for that and with that we'll open up for public comment if there's anyone here with us in the audience that would like to speak on the item before us which is item five tool, agrarian, restaurant expansion and redesign, site plan approval. Seeing no hands raised, we will close public comment and I will entertain comments from staff. Let's start on this end. Miss, my simian. Thank you. I just have one question. I think it's a very good way to go. Miss Miss Miss Thank you. I just have one question. It's not currently a drive through right. Not drive through window. Yes. We have it. Yes. We have it. Yes. No, it's beautiful. And I think it will really add to the area, especially that border, which could really use improvements. So. Thank you very much. Thank you. Board Member Thomas. Just out of curiosity, I notice you have to, if I'm not mistaken, you have to resubmit a plan for traffic or the final site plan for the park, I mean for the driveway or whatever. That particular location has like an enormous bump. It both entrances are, is there anything going to be done to address that to the wind? The wind, the ham, the, yeah, yeah. Well, we talk about that with FDOT also, but they want to remind us this because of the, of some time of the water. So they want to go any water from the rain to the 167th street. So you're saying you can. I can't. We're going to lever. We're going to do complete a new striping, but you know, everything is going to the right. You have to deal with the drainage. Yeah. The drain is going to the way you're going to try and lower that. Yeah. That in the end, well, I guess now we can lower it. But as you see, I, I send also a plan that sends the, the send you in your ear from FDOT and he said that the current drainage can handle the, you know, the expansion. That would be great. No. I concur with my colleagues so far. I think your story is a compelling one. And I think we should all be proud of people like you and our community that have strived to be more than just, you know, getting a paycheck. So, and I think you've done a beautiful job with the building. Oh, one other question. My last one is, my wife happens to be handicapped. Okay. And so one of my things is handicapped accessibility. I see that you have more than enough spaces. We also have we're going to in the site plan. We talk with also with fire with the county and we have another entrance. We're going to make a... The entrance is going to change. I don't know if you can see in the place. We are going to make a... The entrance is going to change. I don't know if you can see in the place. It's going to be through the sidewalk. We're going to have the white sidewalk. Right. And also we have to go. We have going to put more table from, you know, for... So I was just going to thinking, you know, about people coming to your restaurant. I would suggest... We also... And even recommend that you if you can put a second handicap parking space Okay in there cut you have more than enough. Yeah, so and I think It's not hard to understand that one space. Yeah, taking almost immediately and then so now second one would be maybe helpful But other than that I'm thrilled that you're here in our community. I think we should all be proud of people like you trying to forge their business here. We should support that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Bob Mino and Crosberd. Food samples anywhere. Thank you. Are you open? I have I have a pod. I admit to cry, but could you you try not your mic and move closer to me? I'm glad that didn't pick up. No, I should go. I'm going to take it right now. Where's the food? Both out open right now. And you're going to stay open during the renovation. Renovation, remodel. We are going to try, but we're going to close probably two weeks. Oh, yes. Okay. I just give enough notice, so I don't know where not to eat. Good luck. Thank you. Mr. Board Member Hashtag. Love what you're doing. Thank you. So when are you going to remodel 119th and 1st? Yes. As soon as we are with the landlord. Okay. Just, I mean, the only thing that is a concern and probably not, is there any probability that traffic, I can't really see the drive through it. I'm sorry, I didn't study it enough, that would it spill into one-sixth-thirds street? No, we already make a traffic statis- traffic statement, and we are going to make, in the worst, you know, in the, in the mass, in the worst case scenario, we fill out how many cars, where in queue, everything, we've got cameras in the, and there's no any problem. The way that we work, you know, while our food is very fast. Yes. So we don't have any cue. Never. The only day that we have a cue, but it was a cue like, well, I don't know how many. We were the only restaurant that were open during the Huracan roommate. I think it was Panama. You know, my thing. So it was the only restaurant restaurant opening the area. So the people were waiting, I don't know, two hours for foot. Wow. Agressor. Yeah. A Cuing analysis was also conducted during the trade process and our traffic engineer didn't have a problem either. No problem either. And I see from the area, I think is there parking on the street? Yes. You have on the back. You have on the street. Yes, you have on the back, you have on the side, you have also parking. So you have overflow parking, if the customers come back and park for sure. Okay, and how long did it take you from the time you started this process until now? How long has it been? Yes. It's more than like one year. More than one year. Okay. What process, the expansion process? Yeah, from the time you started wanting to do this until now. Yeah. It's been a year. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much and good luck. Thank you. Boy, I'm a musician, Bob. Yeah. Let's see here. I'll add a question. You're a franchisee and you have the two locations. Do you guys collectively, it has nothing related to your structure, which is going to be amazing. And I see you have an overflow of parking, so you're in good shape. When you guys collect your oils monthly, do you sell it back to your corporate office? I don't know. So when you're processed oil that you use for all the cooking, does that get sold back to the corporate office? The oil? No, the oil comes to company and take out from the restaurant. They come back and just take it and they dispose of it? Yeah, and they recycle the oil. Recycle it. I was just curious. Much much like yourself, I was a dishwasher, bus boy, runner, waiter, head waiter, manager, and then eventually I opened a couple restaurants. And I used to have a cafe, a car, a vehicle. I built that with my own hands on the garden's drive. Well, I opened it. It's the only work for the corporation I opened like, I know like four or five restaurants for the corporation and then they give me an opportunity. It was hard, but because I was like crazy because I have to take care of, you know, all the people, all the repairs, all the, also the alarm system, everything. So I was saying, no, I can't with this. So they bought the property and then they lease it back to you? No. I bought it at this property. At first I started in 1901 and then I opened the second one. Excellent. I was just curious. Yeah. The last question. It's just curiosity because I was always buying from Jetro, Cheney brothers, all these guys. I wait for Cheney brothers, also. Of course he is. Do you, do your chickens come from like Okeechobee? Or do they, they, they clenish? No, they bring it, yeah, sometimes I think they have the mountain, one in Okeechobee, as you said, and they have one in, I don't remember, seeing West from, from Haya Li. I don't remember the place. I don't remember but they have another big plant over there. I was just curious. Yeah. But also bring some food also from Sisko. And Sisko. Sisko. Yeah. You have to be big enough for them to sell to you. No, and there you know the prices. We want, as I told you, our food is very cheap. You can buy a whole chicken with right some meat right now for 1595 You can for people can eat with it. Right. It's very cheap So right now and all everything goes up the salaries goes up. So it's a little complicated right now It's slow the season. Yeah, so we're doing it to try to do the best, but it's complicated All right, we'll have to head over there guys. We'll support this beautiful business. Well, thank you for that. Thank you. All right. I don't have any question. Well, my one question is whether you guys would be operating during the renovations and you said you'd be close for about two weeks. Are you anticipating that you're gonna have to release, are you gonna be picking up additional employees once you reopen? Yes, is that? Yeah, we're gonna pick up more employees. Okay, well, as a boy, we can't make a recommendation, but we could probably make a friendly suggestion that you consider locals. Yes, we always go to the local manly business. Most of the people that work on my residence are locals. Okay. Yeah. So if they come by bike, they come, you know, some of the, yeah. Yeah. You know, we always want to take care of our workforce. No, always. You know, many beach show. The layout looks amazing. Best of luck. God, free to you in the rest of this process. I don't know if the staff has anything else. We've received the recirculated updated documents. I don't know if anything needs to be addressed. Yeah, but the, you know, that's one of the no for the record that the correct data staff report had been delivered to the planning and donor board members. And again, that's the policy for providing you with the wrong print version. No, we want to provide you with the correct one before you vote it. Correct, correct. And let the director reflect such that we do have the current updated corrected staff report. If no one else needs a second by the apple entertainer vote, does this have to be a roca? Did you ask the nazi say? Sorry. Was there something else that you were going to buy? Nothing else, sad from staff, no. No, no. No, No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. condition. No, it's a recommendation. So we have a motion for approval. A second with a recommendation that you take into consideration, adding an additional ADA compliant handicap spell. I know that you have one, I think this site planning cost for eight and there was 11 in total. Yes, 12 in total, including the one 80s. But yeah, total recommendation from our staff members that you would consider adding a second ADA. You know, it's not a condition for approval, but it's a recommendation that, you know, it's coming before the board. So we have a motion in a second with a recommendation and you wanna do a roll call? Yes, sir. Mr. Thumian? Approved. Good luck. Mr. Shimbong? Approved. Mr. Heidler? Approved. Mr. Thomas? Approved. Mr. Kriper? Approved. Chairs in bill. Four. Chair, the six-year-old. Motion passed. The six-year- six geo congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you Miss chairman Since everybody presented their credentials in in this business I want to say for the record of my first job was at McDonald's making a dollar an hour Exactly a dollar and my task was to stir the french fries in very cold water with my hands like this nowadays you would have to have gloves or some other instrument so I came up the hard way too. There you go thank you. Well that was it that included item five, two. The next item is just discussion item, which looks like talking about our next meeting, which is scheduled for Monday, August 12th of 2024. Is there anything that we need to be aware of or on a lookout for? We, staff would like it possible to request about five to 10 minutes of the board time to run some dot by you before we finalize an ordinance that we would bring before you at the oct 12 meeting if that would be okay. Mr. Chair. And if it's the will of the board, I don't have any opposition we're on early time today. Right. At you be aware from the last meeting, that happened. You guys can be dismissed by the way. You're done here. Thank you for having me. Thank you very much. Thank you. At your being aware from the last meeting, that is working on a overlay district for B2 properties along with chain boulevard. That would complement or supplement the RTD zoning. What staff is really trying to understand a bit more before we bring something before you next month is an understanding of maybe the threshold. What we're trying to do here is try to take a different tack at how community benefits and density in the area that we haven't really done in other part of the code. A lot of things that we have been after do is why don't we ask the applicant for something such, but as you know, without the rational nexus and so forth. We can't legally do so. But what we can do is provide a system by which an applicant can opt in for a certain bonus is two or a degree. What staff is looking at and our question is, for the B2 property, the long-based Jane Bolivar, because live local and because RTD already provide for many of these to have a base density of 125 growing in its per acre. Would the board think that it's appropriate to set a, and because we have applicants that are looking to anywhere from 125 to up to 200 growing in its per acre along this Jane Boulevard. If they're a threshold that the board feels like we should not cross. To that standpoint, we're looking at 125 at the base minimum because that's what the RTD is really guiding us toward the rapid trend at all. But in terms of upper limit, whether it's provided by right or by bonus, that's where we're really trying to get a little bit more the boards, you know, either support or reservation so that we can understand how to best craft the ordinance. in terms of the comparison to what has happened in other areas. In with regard. Well, I believe if we were to say at 125, rolling per acre, you're looking at easily 15 to 25 stories, buildings, you know, depend on the design and the size of the unit, obviously, as well as your footprint. It's very based on the city, right? But it is considered high density, where it's right now. You're probably at upper medium with with a floor limit of 15th storage for your B2 editors right now. It doesn't fit 125 units, unlike their really small units, but you know, they're thinking that it really depends from the 9th standpoint. Well, have you looked at the how our roads and infrastructure could accommodate this increase in density if that's what you want to do? Or if that's what we wish to do? From that standpoint, because it's only a long-based cable of art, it's already a thick lane roadway, in a way that we can make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make a way to make put that right away, it actually larger than some of the other item, don't need to ride away in the city. It actually might be more appropriate to utilize that existing infrastructure. Rather than go to other parts of the city where we don't have a wider right away and put the traffic in there. In some other city, sometimes you put the higher density along this water right away because the infrastructure then not only provides for it, but it's only so much capacity that the market is supposed to suck up that market capacity to the best degree possible. And that's what staff is looking at here because it's a corridor that's designed at not only a major conduit in the area but also from at the standpoint of rapid transit, that's where it's coming in. However, in a current state at 15 stories and a B2, it's not actually where the Senate of gravity for development is. You see it with higher buildings at Indricostumal, you see it at City Center, where you're looking at 30 stories. So we have a different in alignment here where we're not actually placing the higher density on our most major corridor from an infrastructure standpoint. We're actually placing our highest density structures next to two lane roads like 164th at Hanford Boulevard. And so there is from a planning standpoint sort of a mismatch that that's trying to run through at the same time we understand that because there's so much concern and that may be provided in terms of hey do we have too much density on this cable or we had to come before you to see your take on this. My take is that we have too much density on this cable more and that the rapid transit is, you know, put it in your pipe and smoke it and may happen. And current rapid transit, as it exists, exacerbates all of the traffic issues on 163rd and this came ball of art because the timing of the lights when a when a training goes but screws everybody up and we're at the mercy of this plan for it we didn't want it yeah everybody wants everybody to take a train but they're not going to and if you put a 30-story building on this came boulevard and all those people spill out. It's only going to become an increasing nightmare. They built they decided to change the light on this came bullbar when they built those whatever they are that we approved on this came bullboard and once the yeah up there and then they then they took away the left turn light and you know and they they seem to want to accommodate the people in the apartments getting out into onto this came ballboard but the general person in the public who wants to leave his home and get to have in Tura is paying the price. So, so from that, so don't build anything up this can't build. So from that standpoint, currently the code call for 15 stories in height. If they're in upper limit, that the board were contemplated at being too high. For example, we just heard that 30 stories may be up a limit or may already be too high. It's about 15. Then what number above 15 just have to be looking at in our evaluation? Because we can look up to 30, and right now, or we can look at 25 or 20. We want to kind of probe a little further, but in a targeted way, that makes sense. It's a board at the whole believes that 30 is too high. Then staff is going to target its evaluation, not at 30, but at maybe 25 or 20 and so forth. We'll have limited resources. Pardon? Yeah, we would do so because we would do so in the sense that there are different levels of building density in the height. So what you can build has certain corresponding effect, right? So a 30 story building is gonna have a different effect than a 25 story building that by square footage and potential for businesses or residents. So we would tailor our analysis to a certain range in dead and within other intermediate points. Isn't what height is loud and what density is loud currently? And if you don't like it, how are you going to change it? How are you going to downgrade it? Well, you know, not necessarily going to downgraden our recommendation because that might invite a birth higher action for with staff that's not prepared at this time. However, because we do have applicant coming in asking about live local and of course what we can we're willing to do considering that some of the properties, for example, are next to our creek and our mixed use district that do allow for higher high. For example, some of the B2 properties are next to 30 story towers or projected 30 story towers or large towers like Marina Palms. And so there is a need for staff to evaluate and come back to the board and the commission and say, how tall was to tall? But at the same time, looking at where the interest and development are coming in, how do we regulate in the way that makes sense? Because right now, we're pushing everything on to the likes of Hanford Boulevard. And that's the reality. We've been taught to really look at the patterning of our district. And if the board feels that it's too much on the scheme Boulevard, we're going to take that into consideration because you're our advisory board. But we need a bit more direction before we even bring this to you. And that's where we're running into issues internally. What's the height of the Marina Poms? I'd like to say that it's... I feel like 40 stories? I believe it's 40, but... It's under 30, like 26. 2026 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 20 to 20. Right now you have the ability for how many? You have right now to be to district, next door to it, 15th story. Right. So somewhere between the 15 and the 26 is kind of what you're looking for us to give you a range of is that how I'm understanding that that will help staff in this and in it review because then we're like 15 to 26. We kept it 26. So question, what is the number of the difference in residences between the 15 and the 25? It really depends on several factors. First, if you have a base density per drawing unit. For example, you can stay 50 drawing unit per acre and stay 15 stories. And you can also stay 25 stories. It doesn't mean that you're gonna get more density. You're still gonna have that 50 unit per drawing unit acre no matter the height of the building. You just got maybe larger side unit or you pair it with something else like a make-use product or it got a many things in it. That's one aspect. The other aspect is that in some of the district that in some of the other plants that you're seeing you got more unit but it's a limited amount because you have an average unit side you have to go for. So that in turn creates a different density. And we didn't have those restrictions. You could, and you know, we talked about last time I have a micro unit, for example. Well, that makes a big change because it's a, I have 10,000 square feet on a floor plate, and I add five stories. Well, I got 50,000 square feet on a floor plate and I add five stories. Well, I got 50,000 square feet. I take 80% of that for my resident Joseph Rift the hallways. And what do I have? Well, 40,000 at 800 square feet would be five, like 50, or I could get 200 square feet and got 200. So there is a profound difference there that I can't give you a precise answer on because there's a bunch of factors there. So you're saying if we give you a recommendation for a range, they may opt for the building on the Biscayne corridor as opposed to having only to go to Hanford Boulevard in order to meet your needs. We would target our analysis to the specific area to see what the range of effect are and that range so that we can provide you with more target information instead of drawing P. That a wall with the roof like at this time. And what does our terrific staff recommend arranged for us to consider? We would normally consider, we could be called the current Livelocco Act and the surrounding area and the corridor itself, anywhere from your current 15th story to 35. So you're restricting into 20th take, we'll target that. It makes the analysis a little bit more simple, because once you get higher, there's more ranges of information that we've got to really look at. We also have to think about the viewpoint of anything along conservation land. We have to think about mechanical above and whether or not that counted in your height and so forth in the regulation. But there are a series of aspects that, where we consider in any type of regulation to like propel to bring before the board. You also consider in bonus densities? Yes. So the bonus density is where the other aspect is not only high, but the amount of units. Now, staff is contemplating that the base amount is 125 growing units per acre, just because that is the base amount that you have in an RT-Li core. And we know that's going to spread. But in terms of bonus density, we are looking at up to 175. But, you know, in other cases, you can go up to 200. And then what do you get for it? That the thing that we're looking at different five different bonus type groups. Bonus type A would be work force affordable housing. Number B would be for dedication or transportation improvement to deal with the effect of the transportation. Type C is open based in recreation. Type D is in regard to playmaking with something that you see in other cities. So we have case example from Estero, in Lee County, and other places where they have provided bonuses on the basis of grid plate making. And then one of the type E would be based on civic infrastructure. What we're trying to do is lock down a ratio and typology within these different groups that we can bring back. For example, is it appropriate for us to say if you provide us X amount of work for touting, you get this amount of bonus density and how to create a menu of options that really be toward what the city needs. What the city needs, that the identified needs include not only work for tailoring, but transportation improvement and open space, for example. We often also get asked a lot on contribution to library. Well, I can't ask staff what choir that because we don't have a library impact fee. There's nothing wrong with saying, am I perfecting opinion and saying look, and you voluntarily at the applicant offer Everything we at the city will accept this They take the further and say what the trade office What are we willing to give you in return? You don't have it by right, but we're willing to You don't have it by right, but we're willing to give you consideration because you are providing a public benefit. We do only have the system in the MUIB district when you look at that code. However, we are looking at something that's more defined and predictable. So that when it comes to the board members, there's something that's tangible that you can use to evaluate the proposal board members, there's something that can be able that you can you to evaluate the proposal and whether it's not something that they need. Otherwise, it's like, well, you're giving me this, but how do I know as a board member if this is appropriate or not? So there's a balance between that, that cities have gone either way. Some keep it very open-ended, some make it very, very specific, and some hybridized to get you something in between giving you the board some discretionary aspect of input while hard-getting to a main overall formula. To that, that's where we're also struggling as well because we don't, you know, that part of the discussion too, for you all, is what you would like for a two kind of, if there's a preference to wearing toward one type. And it will fight different categories with mention or enough or if there's something that you, as a board member, feel that you, your experience in seeing what the city needs, if there is something that staff has overlooked in the category that we're creating. I have a comment. We were talking about Marina Palms, is that what you said? Yeah. So if that building is estimated at 28 stories, 20s. I was about to write it in 26. 26, 25. Then I don't see how you can check it. 25. 25. 25. So I don't see how you can tell a future developer that he can't build a 25 store building when you prove that building. Because I mean, that would be my, if I was a developer, that would be the first thing I'd say is, like, so what? I can't build a 20-year-old. You approve that, why can't you approve this? So that would be my first comment. Second comment is the building that's built along Dixie Highway, you know, just north of the monastery, that's a pretty big building. How tall is that? Or it actually was plated to be higher but because of financial Finanthing issue would downgraded to eight doors Originally it would play to four God I think over fifteen to fifteen fifteen and thirty well there's two buildings there's one that's Right just nor right. There's another one right across from those strip malls Which by the way that road is gonna be a freaking nightmare. I don't know who's gonna want to leave their if they have to drive that road in and out every day They're also supposed to improve the the intersection at 172 is it? Mm-hmm. What definitely I want to be one I don't see that that happened first. Apparently that was supposed to happen before they finish it, right? Right. Anyway, the other building that's also a historic building or? I believe it's a little taller actually if I had to double check. We know that to the staff of the age of bad monetary, you're looking at a May NMB, which is at your call from a couple of months ago, with pretty tall. Again, we're replacing development, right? We're planting the higher density development on essentially, even though it's supposed to be expanded in the future, but with Dixie highway, we're planting them on a road regret that it too late had to pull to putting our identity by a sick lane road which is a fact. Yeah, I don't know how they approve the traffic plan for that. I just it's really hard for me to understand. But anyway, so my my other okay, so if 25, 27, 20, whatever the current approval for buildings that are being built now is, I would respect Mr. Chrysler's concerns that, you know, more density creates an issue. But on the other hand, I don't see how you approve a building that's that tall and then tell future developers that it's not so much our thing. Right now it's 15. Correct. Right now it's 15. Staff can evaluate 15 to 25. It would be what we're hearing. And then what we would like to see in terms of density is if there's an upper limit that you were counting in Right now that we're gonna look at evaluating data 125 and ask for the rest anything about that to be bonus, but there have to be an upper limit For us to order to construct these program the bonus type correctly because we're looking at Not to exceed. We're looking at what? At not at not exceed not to exceed. Mr. Chairman, if I may just declare a father record, you keep referring to 125 units, but you don't say that. The number 8, correct? Correct, correct, correct. Thank you. So, a couple questions. When you were going through the different benefits, you said type D, but I didn't. Oh, sorry. You said type D. I can repeat all the materials here. Oh, no, no, no, just type D. Type D, transportation improvements. Type D? Oh, type D, type D, uh, playmaking. Playmaking? Placemaking. What is that? Playmaking involved everything from urban form to site design, aspect of public art, access to the water, creating a destination at both the debtor building. Although it's a little less tangible than some of the other item, but it happened just by other communities, because you want to create a destination at the point. Some places that we have spoken about where you go, get I cream at the post, I say, hey, here's another residential building. And the term is place making? The term is place making. Okay. So here's the thing, if we want to curtail development away from residential areas and the RTC has identified Biscayn as the corridor that's, you know, best suited for additional growth, whether we like it or not, it seems as though it's a change that's coming. So it seems as though what staff is trying to figure out is how do we best get in front of it in a way where we can kind of guide the direction. And so it's not the Wild Wild West. Now you said something 15 to 35, I think if you're trying to sell 35 to anybody in a Miami Beach, they're gonna be like, it's gonna be hesitant. That's not, that doesn't sound like it's of our fabric, but the same token we're talking about this cane that yes, it's part of no Mammy Beach, but that's a very large sterile way thing. So I understand the hesitation and the point that was made by the board member. We have Marina that's at 25, but I think there's a bit of a distinction because I think Marina had a whole bunch of very inches and things that had to come before us in order to get approved. Versus now we're trying to give them a pathway tool and courage growth. So I think it has to be a hybrid based on what I'm hearing in, based of the interest of the board. It has to be some type of hybrid that makes them say, hey, if we're looking to build a North Miami Beach, the best place to build is gonna probably be on Biscayne. Okay, okay, now if we wanna do something in North Miami Beach, how high do we wanna scale it up? So if they think that they can come on Biscayne and say that, you know, but benefits kicking after 25, then you may have someone come in and say, hey, we have this project, it's 35. When they come to 35, before us, they're still gonna get drilled. They're still gonna have to get up here and explain why they think that this is what the community has. But the fact that you have 25, almost as a matter of right right based on being in this location is going to make it more attractive. People, you know, water travels the track, the track of these resistance. So if I want to do something, I don't want to go somewhere else and have to deal with 18 variances when I could go on this game and have two or three variances. So if that's what we're doing, if that's what conventional wisdom dictates that this is where the RTC is gonna be, this is where the bigger lanes are, we're gonna have traffic regardless of anywhere that we build. But if we wanna combat some of these workforce housing and affordable housing and these things, then let's steer them to the direction that we wanna steer them to. So I'm not opposed to this game. It's just that I think you have to give a hybrid so you can encourage people to go to that direction, but then also, hey, we're not, you know, we're not looking to turn into Brickle on this game. That's not what we're looking to do here. And then you have some type of incentive where you do the bonus after a certain amount. Whatever that is, you guys will do the research and you know we'll come back and hash it out I think. Right. And we really appreciate the entire board providing feedback on that. That's been really helpful to Scott and Ferret because we've been churning that internally for a good 10 week now plus. And so at this point, we would like to bring them to you next month but this helped the targeted month further. We really, really appreciate the feedback. We could go. Well your job for you. No he didn't give a form. You will. Mr. Chairman. No, no, do that. Mr. Chairman, when you have a second. Definitely. Definitely. The whole idea of RTC, if I understand it correctly, and of course I live through it on US one in my district and the county commission, is to reduce the parking requirements with the idea of promoting mass transit, where there is mass transit. Now, query whether we're ready, on Biscay and Boulevard there to really provide affordable master's at, but that's another issue. Now I would suggest to the Miami to New Zealand, to not Dailin, hometown station, I think it's the last of those projects. About a billion dollars worth of high rises and the same discussion of whether 20 or 25, you know, it hit the Miami Herald when they thought we were going to go up to 40 stories because the RTZ zoning provided that as a possibility. But once they took citizen input, they, I think they captured it. Exactly. A 20 of it involved the city of South Miami too because of the hometown station. Right. And if we could get some input of what the traffic effect has been on US one, understanding that with the number of people that no longer go to work in, you know, in at the site, at the work site, some of the automobile traffic may have been reduced in any case because of COVID, et cetera. So, but if we can get some statistics from the county as to those in the cities involved, that might be helpful to this board. Right. We do know that tomorrow night, the staff Miami is considering modification to the town down district. That will be presented by Mark Alvarez from the Corridino group. So I can easily get that information for us to see without charging the city. Without charging anything of course. Good call. So let me do some research from my end on what Mr. Arthur's brought up. I think it's a jetty of a hometown. The hometown data itself might be taking probably a very good example because they hit their limit and now they have a council to say okay, how do we address all this growth? There are differences there, of course. They have a university one station down from them, but we also have FIU down the street from this game ball of art. So, you know, that, but again, thank you, because it gives us a bit more guy route that we didn't have before. So we really, really appreciate this. Okay. Yep. Well, no one else has anything else? Who would be the thank you to come? Yeah, I'm definitely entertained emotion to the chair. Second. We got a motion in a second. What do you want? What do you want? Is that for a second? Oh, yes, Crestbury made a motion and no. I'm sorry. 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