Good evening ladies and gentlemen. I'm delighted to welcome you to the May 13th regular meeting of the City Council and I'd like to ask Councilwoman Cross to give the invocation. House of our heads. With grateful hearts we give thanks for the gifts of freedom in our magnificent country. We thank, we are thankful for those who guard our freedoms both at home and abroad. And for our beautiful city and the dedicated citizens who served to the betterment of all. We give thanks for the life of Stuart Marsh who was a caring, productive citizen of our city for so many years. Stewart departed this life yesterday and we are poor for the loss. He will be missed. Amen. Amen. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which you stand, in the obligation of your God, in the invisible, with the liberty of God as the moral. Thank you. First of all, let me on behalf of Mayor Letter express his apologies for not being here this evening. He's actually in Switzerland on a business trip, so I get the pleasure of filling in for him tonight. And one of the traditions of the mayor and the City Council is to honor our citizens or groups or individuals who contribute in a significant way to the community. And first I would like to call up Ms. Claire Bubek, I want to make sure I pronounce that correctly, who is our annual Miss Poppy for a proclamation. Thank you Claire. I understand you also would like to say a few words. Is that true? Would you like to first or would you like me to go first? Sure, sure. Is that your side of the phone? Here you go. Oh, well. Go ahead. What's your name? Oh, I'm not sure. I had a few things to want to give a phone. You don't? Oh, yeah, I want to get up. In Flanders fields the poppies blow between the crosses were all unrolled. That marker place and in the sky the lark still bravely singing fly. Scars heard amid the guns below. We are the dead short days ago. We live the Donso sunset glow. Loved and were left and now we lie in Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe to you from failing hands we throw. The torch be yours to hold it high if you break faith with us who die. We shall not sleep though poppies grow in flander's fields. Applause Thank you. Thank you. I don't think I can top that, but let me try. Fine. First of all, here's the proclamation from our mayor, mayor letter. Whereas America is the land of freedom preserved and protected willingly by and freely by citizen soldiers. And whereas millions who have answered the call to arms have died on the fields of battle. And whereas a nation of peace must be reminded of the price of war and the debt owed to those who have died in war. And whereas the red poppy has been designed as a symbol of sacrifice of all lives and all wars. And whereas the American Legion auxiliary has pledged to remind America annually of this debt to the distribution of the memorial flower. Now therefore, I, Robert F. Letterer Mayor, on behalf of the citizens of the City of Fairfax, to hereby proclaim May 2008 as Poppy Month. In the City of Fairfax, and ask that all citizens pay tribute to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to the name of freedom by wearing the memorial poppy during this month. Done the 13th day of May 2008, Robert Letterman. Thank you. Let me present you with this proclamation to take with you and we're going to have by yourself. Thank you. And a beautiful Miss Poppy, she is. I have one at my desk. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you, Claire. And next I'd like to ask Terry Simmons to join me here. Welcome, Terry. Terry has been a longtime member of the Planning Commission, hard to believe it's been almost five years. And we get to honor you for your service this evening. So, whereas Terry Simmons has served as a member of the Planning Commission for four and one half years with the added responsibilities of being elected commissions liaison to the Economic Development Authority and the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board. And whereas during her service, Terry was instrumental in the adoption of the Comprehensive Plan and provided knowledgeable input in the planning process for the Fairfax Boulevard Master Plan. And whereas Terry was influential in the planning commission's efforts to balance residential, commercial and recreational land uses based on the city code requirements, the comprehensive plan, and excellent land use practices. Whereas Terry's services to the Planning Commission and to the City of Fairfax is another fine example of service to the community. Now therefore, I, Robert F. Letterer, in concert with the City Council, do hereby commend Terry Simmons for her remarkable public service to the City of Fairfax and extend to her the city's gratitude for her selfless contributions as a volunteer in the community. Done by Robert F. Letter. Thank you. I don't have any flowers. But now I just wanted to thank everybody on the City Council. It's been a pleasure working with all of you all and my colleagues on the Planning Commission and it was a pleasure to serve our community. Thank you. Do we? Quick photo? Where did he sneak off? I think he got one. I actually have, I should probably claim, I have plenty of photos of Terry. She's my next-door neighbor. So I see her all the time. I'm out there scoping around with the camera. Thank you, Terry. Okay. Next, we're agenda number four, which is presentation by the public on any item related to the City Council agenda of tonight that is not calling for a public hearing. Is there anybody who would like to address the City Council? Mr. O'Dell. Welcome back, Mr. O'Dell. It's delighted to see you. This mic working. Several items. Number A6A. several items number a6a on page 6 I recommend you to fix a zip code. You can't be four digits, 2,004 probably it's 2,004 whatever and on page, this is when the funds represented by the bond become exhausted. I'd like to suggest you replace the word exhausted with something like diminished. You don't have to wait for a complete zero to require they be replenished. with regards to item 6B on page 3. There's interesting up with figures under non-departmental interest on leases, two million eight hundred seventy three, seven eighty one, and underneath that two million seventy one thousand five hundred. Does either of those have anything to do with lease financing? If so, I think you might want to reconsider and have some other method of financing then driving up interest that way. Item 6C page 2. There's mention of $70,000 increase in legal services. Perhaps somebody sitting immediately to my left, city attorney might be able to justify that or explain that to my satisfaction whether or not you need to be satisfied. On item six D, there's a couple of items. There's a grant, There's a couple of items. There's a grant, a burn, justice, assistant grant, assistance grant. I hope that's not a reference or less of a burn if it is, maybe you could rename it, or even discard it because of what she stands for. And then perhaps more positively, the other item there of interest, $207,000 listed both as an expense and a revenue. University Drive Relocation. This mean you're finally going to take some action on the university drive or what? I can explain it on that if you feel charity in your heart to do that. And on E, I have no comment. And as for F, six, item six, F, page, back of page 33. Some comment. I note that the amount of on collected taxes for 2004 is 38,000, something close to 39,000, which is significantly lower than the figures for 2003, 2005, and sixth, namely 57 something and 58 something and 69 something. Why is such a big disparity? Why did we have such good fortune in collecting taxes that year, but not before or subsequently, according to that document? Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. O'Dell. Is there anybody else who would like to rest the council under this agenda item? Hearing none, we'll move to number five adoption agenda. Move by Mr. Greenfield, seconded by Ms. Winter. All in favor say aye. Aye. Both passes unanimously. Item six, the consent agenda, Mr. Greenfield. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move adoption of the consent agenda for agenda item number 6a, introduction of an extension of a license to TCG Virginia Inc. And it's successors to use the public right of way in the City of Fairfax, Virginia, towards wires, conduits, cables, and fixtures for the provision of telecommunication services, and jet item members. We are had, by the way, I should, sorry, Mr. Greenfield, we should probably explain. We are having a few technical difficulties tonight, and I'm hoping if people not hear it either on TV or in the audience, you'll give a handset instead of blurting out, but thank you. We'll work. All right. Agena item number six, the introduction of an appropriation resolution for the fiscal year beginning of July 1st, 2008. Appropriation resolutions are needed for the general capital sewer, water, stormwater, and space, all town, and transit funds in order to implement the FY2008-2009 budget. GENI number 6C, introduction of an appropriation resolution for non-descriptionary bending fiscal year 2008. GENI number 6D, introduction of an appropriation resolution for grant appropriations fiscal year 2008. GENI number 6 E, consideration of resolution. To initiate a zoning text amendment to City Coach at the 110. Board of Architecture Review Section 1-109-15 to add to the list of actions which may be approved administratively individual signs that's substantially conformed to adopted historic or transition district guidelines or to master sign plans, previously approved by the Board of Agriculture Review. Agenda item number six, F, consideration to publish the list of delinquent personal property taxes of more than $100 and delinquent real estate taxes. And agenda item number six, G, consideration of a resolution setting the allocation percentage for pretty text relief, PPR in the City of Fairfax for the 2008 tax year. And for agenda number six, A, B, C, and D, I moved away the first reading and set the public hearing from A27 2008. And for agenda items number six, E, F, and G, I moved to approve the suggested motion in the staff recording. Is there? Okay, it's been moved by Mr. Greenfield and seconded by Mrs. Cross. Are there any objections to handling any of these items on the consent agenda this evening? Hearing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Chair votes, aye, motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much, I was a mouthful, Mr. Greenfield. Thank you very much. I was a mouthful, Mr. Rainfield. And now we'll move to our public hearings this evening. And first is item 7a, which is a public hearing and council action on the request of NRM investments by William D. Thomas Jr. Attorney Agent pursuing to code section 1105K for special exception to modify the requirements of City Code 110105K to permit the relocation of overhead utilities and adjacent right away. On property notice, 10611 judicial drive. Has this been properly advertised? Staff report. Good evening. Hope the mic will stay in for me. The subject site, 10611 judicial drive, is located along the East West section of Judicial Drive south of the county's complex directly south of the center for the blow page Avenue and the curb for judicial drive. The special exception is pursuant to section one, ten, one, five, k. It permits the relocation of overhead utilities and in the adjacent right of way to remain above ground and specifically we'll be dealing with two utility poles tonight. I once located at the eastern corner of the property, abting the Jenkins property. I was indicated here with the red arrow. And the second is located in the western corner where the red arrows indicating this one. Both are in front of the sidewalks. There's no sidewalk in this location here coming off the Jenkins property. But definitely on the western portion the utility pole is in front of the sidewalk. The proposal is to move again the two utility poles indicate with the red arrows. Two location recently proposed and recommended by staff to behind the sidewalk, this meets the Ashtow Highway standards providing a comfortable safety zone between the EGICURB and the utility poles. In this case, it would be about 11.5 to 12 feet. The applicant and staff will be working with the main and Virginia power if approved for the preferred locations. If it cannot be worked out at that point in time, a location as close to the sidewalk in the grass strip in front of the site, the landscape strip, as close to the sidewalk will be preferred, which would provide nearly five feet of a safety zone in front of the site. would provide nearly five feet of safety zone in front of the site. This would be the second special exception request along the section in judicial drive in 2000. The site that now has PNC bank, the early site applied for special exception was granted to relocate utility poles above ground in the adjacent right of way. The evaluation based on the criteria specified under sections 110366 and 110369 for all special use permits and special exceptions and under 11010105K for special exceptions to relocate the utility poles in adjacent right of ways. The total construction costs are $3.25 million and the estimated cost of undergrounding the section of your district drive is $281,000 right at 8.6% of the total construction costs. The estimated cost of relocating the two poles leaving them above ground be $74,000 or 2.3% of the total cost. Staff's recommendation is approval of a special exception request with the following conditions that would ensure that the installation of the relocated utility poles in general conformance with the plan submitted and that the applicant and staff work with the minion Virginia power to relocate the two poles behind the sidewalk Oregon's the sidewalk in the landscape strip if not permitted behind the sidewalk by Virginia power. I for you to answer any questions or I know the applicant and the engineer also here. Great questions for staff. This is line. Thank you. I don't think my mic is on. When was the bank allowed to do there? When do we, you said 2000, so how many years ago? About seven years ago. We were planning on undergrounding the historic sections. We knew that that was going to happen. Can you give me a history on why we approved that? Is there a little history to that? I believe what was happening through there, an effort to accommodate the landscape plantings that were proposed there. The way it worked out, the grass strip in front of the sidewalk there is only about one and a half feet wide. And where the utility poles were located did not permit the proper impermanence to the site per what was originally approved. But came back in later after the original approval And it's a cost of over 5 percent Okay, you know Now the courthouse and that whole read about me all of that is under grounded. Is that right a portion of it actually a portion feeds Hope in the plan or the picture will show portion of it actually feeds from the existing poll here above ground to the courthouse side So there are portions that are and portions that are uncompleted still that are there plans for them to put those underground How many do you know There are I can't specifically I don't know specific areas. I do know generally. Yes I'm sorry in general. Yes, it will okay Okay, thank you Thank you, Miss Lane. I'm Mrs. Cross Thank you mr. Silverhorn When we approved the original plans for this building Was the provision for undergrounding the utilities? No, ma'am. It was a- We did not address that at all. No, it was proposed to be underground at that point. It was proposed for underground utilities across the right of way. Right. Okay, so your- the answer is yes, the original application was for under grounded utilities. Yes, when the rezoning came in, the plans showed that the utilities would be under grounded. Okay. And whose numbers are we using in terms of the cost of the project, the cost of the under grounding? The cost of the under grounding comes project comes from the applicants engineers who've worked with Dominion Powers engineers on some more projects I have to say that I'm really disturbed by the What appears to be the same kind of strategy that's been used on two occasions here to begin the building to get it totally underway. And then, oh, by the way, this is going to cost more than we thought it was. And we might jeopardize the project and not be able to complete it if we were to not be granted the exception for undergrounding utilities that really is suspect in my mind. I think we should take another look at this. I suspect that we're going to find that this builder is is going to do it his way or not at all. And I and I really feel that we need to be a little more vigilant when we do the original applications to be sure that they have done the proper calculations for for under grounding so that there isn't a loophole here that they can come back to us in the middle of the project and say, oh, by the way, we need to be above ground. I drove by this site in up and down, traditionally, I think we all use that road a lot. And really the utilities are very unsightly along that road. It's just nothing but a maze of wire. And the trees there are coming back and not allowed to grow naturally because of the wiring. I think we're missing the boat here to not be wiring the place by the original application. Thank you. Thank you, Mrs. Cross. I'm stressed. Thank you, Mr. Subbara. What will happen if the council turns down this request? The applicant for the approved site plan and for the previous, the approval is oning, would have to underground utilities. Right, okay. The applicant would have to underground the utilities. Thank you. Other questions of staff? Mr. Grainfield. Thank you. You're so forth, I almost said. other questions of staff. Mr. Greenfield. Thank you. You're super thorough, Mr. Mayor. I answer to a lot of things. You are mayor for a week. That's like Queen for a day. You've got the, at least the overhead that I'm looking at here on my screen, as the two polls in question, and when you go further east on Judicial, it goes back to above ground and of the properties that correct. There's a poll, I seem to remember there's a poll right on the edge of his driveway. This poll here that you're talking about is the one that's bent over and then you go up again and that's between kind of his property and the Office townhouses there is that correct yes and that one will remain the one with the arrow kind of this one here would be moved back behind a sidewalk the one there would remain okay so try to align You've got another one if you go another 50 yards east. You've got another one there. So is it is the idea if they stayed above ground you would try to get them all in an alignment or not? It does help to align the one with the arrows, the one that's closest to the street there, and then coming further. there's kind of a jag here. This one pole is the first that's on the street side of the sidewalk. The poles in question across the subject site are also in front of, well, there's an sidewalk, but in theory, it would be in front of the sidewalk had there been one. And continuing on down to where judicial merges with Jones Street the next poll About parallel with this vehicle is in front of the sidewalk The goal would be to if the above ground utilities are to be kept along judicial to provide a Safety zone in case a car were to jump the curb this it to generate 12 feet, but it would align and match the majority of the commercial sites along judicial coming from the east leading up to the site. So, say again about the safety, the poll above ground would allow for, you know, somebody to hit that as opposed to jumping the curb and going into landscaping is that what you? Well, what we'd be looking at is preferably if an above ground pole is placed on the site, having a safety zone, a number of feet from the edge of the curb to the utility poles, if it's a new pole going in, a recommendation of 12 feet through Ash to. And there are other statistics that they use and Mr. Somerskin probably explained a little better than I could but as much margin zone feet from the curb that you can get the better. To where the next pole? To well from the edge of the curb to that pole. Right. Yeah. Right. Exactly. So the idea is you're hitting the curb and slowing down before you come up over and hit the pole. That's correct. Ashto recommends a minimum of 10 feet between an obstacle and the curb. Some of the issue you were working on with Mr. Jenkins, the East and dealing with all of those easement issues and placement of the poles and safety and all that stuff. That's correct. But when we when we approved this, everybody knew what we were getting and that was we wanted these poles, these two poles underground. So to leave them, to relocate them and leave them above ground would be $74,000 to underground that would be 280, some thousand, 281. Yes. That correct? Yes. Thank you. That's all for now. So this is yours. Thank you. Miss Winter and then Mr. Hudson had a question. Or had a comment too, but you're okay. Miss Winter. Thank you. Could you please go back one picture? So yes. Now it appears as if the poll that the arrow is on, that there is wires going across onto the county. If that poll was to be underground, would the street have to be dug up and underground those overhead wires? What would happen with those? Because you're going from the city into the county or into government land. Depending on what kind of cable that is, it could be direct board. It might not have to be an open cut. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Other council comments, if not, I'd like to turn to the applicant, but. I will. Mrs. Lyne. Is there a way? comments if not I'd like to turn to the applicant but miss is live. Thank you Mr. Sutherland. I know how to push your butt. Oh you do I know you. It has the county is there a way that they could pick you back on any of the underground with the county? I think I was trying to get to that earlier. Has that ever been explored with them at all? You know, I don't believe it has been. Because they are, I mean, they were doing some underground and they are going to continue to do some more underground. And I'm wondering if there's a way that that would help the applicant, you know, pick you back on on something might help them. Just thought, thank you. Okay, if there are no further questions of staff, let me turn to the applicant or the applicant's representatives who's here and then if we have further questions, we can follow up. Can you start out with your name and address or business address for the record. Members of council, I'm Tom Thomas with Fagelson-Chomberter Pain and Diakmeister at 11320 Random Hills Road. In Fairfax, I'm here on behalf of the applicant. I was here on behalf of the applicant when the rezoning was before you. And I will tell you that the issue that's before you now was not anticipated. We, as we got into, as you all are aware, when you're doing a rezoning, sometimes the final engineering isn't really part of it. And getting to that point showed us that the undergrounding became a very difficult proposition, very expensive, much more than we had anticipated when we put forward the rezoning. I will also say in response to Ms. Cross' question regarding this applicant, the staff was alerted in the very first iteration of the site plan. Some many, many, many months ago when we were trying to get this thing off the ground and moving that we had this issue and in proceeding with staff on this, it took many, many, many months to get it to you, unfortunately. So it was well before the site plan was approved, well before construction was undertaken. We're undertaking construction at this point to the extent where we can. Meaning that with this application before you, there were certain things that we could do and certain things that we could not. One of the things we did do was present the undergrounding as part of the site plan if we can't get this approved. One of the things I'd like to mention though is that in terms of visual clutter and in terms of the difference between undergrounding and not undergrounding, we actually will have two more polls that'll be necessary to underground the utilities. Then we have with the poll configuration that you're seeing before you tonight because we need that additional strength. And I'm not an engineer and I don't pretend to have this stuff that well in hand, but Mike Albright from Christopher Consultants is here and can answer the technical questions regarding what we will run into and what the differences are between undergrounding and not. We think that actually when all is said and done, the additional polls are more of a problem or more of a visual detraction than the undergrounding. And knowing what we know now that along that entire judicial drive section, there is no lines underground underground we had proceeded with staff on what we thought was a pretty straight forward request with that I guess I'll answer any questions you all may have. Thank you very much. Other questions or any technical questions for yes, Mrs. Cross. Two additional polls would be located where. There's those belong to additional drive as well? Yes, it's on your screen. No, I see the two poles which are existing but there are two in addition to that. There would have to be two additional poles to be able to make the drop to go down and then to make the to come back up and I'm saying that. Are those shown on our screen because I'm not seeing them? What we actually have is the two that are circled need to be relocated because they'd be in the street right in the street and then the curb line. I understand. So this one here would have a poll next to it that would have to feed the drops going to both the counts I'd add to the, and the same here back in realignment. And it has to do with, in my understanding, with the tension, strength of the poles, and how many drops and services that each pole could have. So let me understand Jason, is this in this area where you have example one and it's red circle, there will actually be three poles there, right? It would be two. The one circle would have to be moved. It would be a deleted and a new pole put in. And then another pole would be placed beside of it with drop feeds from it. Okay. And then we have one on the west end. And where's the fourth one? It would be located beside of the existing folder sheet doesn't show that option. There would be four polls in total for undergrounding. Are you okay, Ms. Croc? Oh, this is... It's surprising. Yeah, it is. Yeah. May I turn to Mrs. Yeah, it is. May I turn to Mrs. Winter, who had a further comment? So it's a rather mood point in that you either have two poles with wires above or you have two poles with wires below. But either way, we have poles, right? So you're not really opening up any airway space. You're not changing the presence of utility polls. They're still there, right? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Other. If I may please with undergrounding we were more polls with and if we were the last one in to underground then we wouldn't have this issue. If others were underground then we wouldn't be locating off of polls that are above ground to go underground. So we're the only guy on the block that will have this. Well, and this has been one of the most vexing issues for us in the city. On our own, with our own properties and let alone dealing with commercial properties throughout the city over the last decade, it's been a real challenge. Other questions for the applicant this evening? Okay, thank you very much. Any other questions for staff? Any further staff comments? Okay, well this is a public hearing. We do not have anybody previously signed up to address the City Council. If anyone would like to. Mr. Perman. Just listening to what we're doing here, there's two things that I a little gray on. One is, did you guys slip them a contract that was mysterious anyway that was somewhere other they didn't know that you had to go underground? And the second thing I think you got to look at is what are you looking at for the future for that street? If you don't make them go underground now, the occupants are not going to want to do it later. So if you're going to start doing it, you're going to start working your way down the street, you have to start somewhere. And I think that's what you propose this idea for is to get it underground, to get it started. And you're right, the only thing that'll be gone is the wires that are hanging above the street. And they may have to have an extra pole for strength. But if you're looking 30 years down the road, if you don't want them wires there then, then you have to start now. And contractors are notably, and you know I'm anti-contractor for the most part, because it always ends up getting changed at the last minute. You guys have alluded to that yourself that you come in. You agree to something and just at the final date when they're ready to start they want to make changes and do things to save money which should have been factored in in the beginning like you've already said. So I would think that this would be a no-brainer and have it go underground. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Prime. Anyone else likes to address the City Council? Mr. Permen. Anyone else likes address the City Council? Mr. O'Dell Mr. Perryman's comments may be more domain and more Where they're being listened to now if you go along with this request of the applicant, I hope it would be not buying any kind of immunity from any eventual requirement for undergrounding. If the government is adding mandates after the fact, the government should pick up the costs, not force the businesses to do what the government wants in terms of improving things like that. Undergrounding. Recall you did pick up a 9 million tab for undergrounding of utilities along North Street and perhaps Main Street. It's simply because the developer pressured you into converting one way traffic to two way traffic. It might be inconsistent to now, it insists that the developer here pick up the tap. Restful with that one if you like. Thank you, Mr. O'Dell. Anyone else like to address City Council on this item? The applicant have anything further to like that? Just real quick, we have the problem that you all are looking at. We are the, we're the, we'd be the first one and the only one on the street that is underground. If you're looking at doing judicial drive, it's sometime down the road comprehensively. You know, I don't think anybody has a problem with that, but I think that, and I'm not, again, I'm not an engineer, but I think of where the ones underground early, that that can possibly conflict with future development as opposed to supported future undergrounding because we're going to be tied into lines that are up above ground now and will be part of an underground potentially part of an undergrounding writer. The other thing is that to my knowledge, there's no development interest on the adjacent properties on one side or the other. And that too would have an impact on anyone else moving forward on this. So I'll just repeat this this applicant isn't before you because they they they're trying to hold one over on the city or that they're trying to you know that they are too cheap. This this came up because the the extraordinary that became an extraordinary cost and it came up early in the as I said early in the site plan not late. And we've been talking with staff for all the months since then. So I'll leave it at that. Thank you very much. If no further quest staff, please. Just to clarify that if the utilities are placed below grade along the front end of the site, that equates to four utility poles to each property corner. Oh, and if permitted to remain a bug ground it would be only two utility poles. The two existing ones moved back. Okay, thank you. Okay. Please, Mrs. Winter, Ms. Winner, please. The applicant brought up a point. If it's done piecemeal along, you know, like if every other property over time underground, and they were not of the same quality, or same style, or same model. I would assume that that would cause problems in the long run as opposed to doing it all at once and having continuity and consistency. Question? I have a question. Maybe Mr. Summers could. Mr. Summers? I'm not sure about that. I think that a duck bank could be put in along the roadway or off the curb, the main duck bank, the secondary feeds to the individual properties. They tend to be not even in concrete and they're easily abandoned. So I don't know if putting in a duck bank long judicial would have to be ripped out in the future. Who would be responsible for putting in the duck bank? When we did downtown we were responsible and there were like three that went in. If you're looking at this street, who would be responsible for that, that, that, that duck bank? Are you talking about the maintenance of it or? The maintenance, the putting it in, because there are individual property owners. I couldn't say it. Well, the main line duck bank, if it was in the city right away it would be the responsibility of the city and the dominion power would access lines, but the secondary lines to the individual properties would be the responsibility of the property owners. And that bank would be put in at a later time or would that have to be put in now with this applicants? Well, the point of my statement was, I don't necessarily agree that if a duck bank was installed That it would have to be ripped out in the future. Okay Okay, we still have another question Mrs. Cross That's right. I just want to laugh because America thought took everything controversial off the agenda tonight I think I think he he miscalculated on that one I think he miscalculated on that one. Please. And by the way, I think we have a spectator from Switzerland this evening on the Internet. Our webcasting is working quite well apparently. Has it actually all weighed? That's all right. Please continue. Please continue. I just want to clarify Mr. Summers statement. Essentially, Demi and Power would do this work. And the contractor at the construction site would be not responsible for the kind of work that's done on the duck bank and putting the lines underground. What I'm getting at is, as we progress up and down the street, it will always be Dominion Power who is doing that work. So as it appears to assume that they're going to be able to continue this work without any, I mean, there would be no transition between one contractor and then the next contractor and on and on down the street. We'll all be done by one by the union. Well, I mean, in order to put a duck bank in for Dominion Power, you have to meet their specifications and you have to be approved by them for the city's project. The DA foster was the firm that was a Dominion's contractor. So I believe any contractor, if they met Dominion's requirements approved by Dominion, could put in a duck bag. Okay, thank you. Thank you, this is crossbow. Okay, if there's no further questions, the matter's now in the hands of the City Council. I'd be happy to entertain a motion. Mr. Assmus. I'll do something. I move to the council adopt the attached resolution to deny SC070900012, a request by William Thomas Jr. agent for NRM investments in corporate or special exception SC070900012 to modify the requirements of city Code Section 110-105K to permit the relocation of overhead utilities in an adjacent right-of-way to remain above ground at the property known as 106-11 judicial drive or particularly described as tax-mat parcel 57-3-02-008D. Is there a second? I second. This is moved by Mr. Rasmussen. Seconded by Mrs. Lyon to deny the application comments. Mr. Rasmussen. Thank you, Mr. Silverham. Well, it's a difficult one. But it comes down to two things for me. We approve this on the idea, on the premise that the utilities were going to be underground it and true Not everything else is under grounded on judicial drive and not everything will be right away But the city has to start some place we can we encountered this issue in other places in the city And we have to make a start at some point and I think this is the place to start. If it ends up with four polls on it, at least it gives us some undergrounding and the potential for expanding the undergrounding if other development takes place in judicial drive. So that's the reason I'm against it. Further comments? Mr. Lyon? You know, since I voted against it also. I am a firm believer that I mean, I appreciate the four polls that will go with this way that we've gone on the denialers that I intend to vote no. Or yes for the denial, thank you. And I too feel that when we, this came to us, we knew that it was going to be under-grounding. And now to come back and say the under-grounding really can't happen and we need these more polls. And I believe that we need to set a precedent here. And I think that it's also a wake-up call for the City of Fairfax and for us to get some kind of plan in place for under-grounding here in the City of Fairfax when we have new development going on, especially with the county right next door doing that. So, I intend to vote yes in favor of the denial, and that's all I have to say. Thank you, Ms. Lane. Further comments? Well, I'm gonna probably surprise some people and actually take a different position while I accept that I do realize that it's difficult when I agree with Mr. Russ Muston on that point. And I also agree with Mrs. Lyon that we need a plan. I have struggled up here for almost my entire tenure. And I can remember Mr. Larson when we served together, used to speak to this very issue as well, saying that I don't want to quote him exactly, but basically trying to paraphrase what he said, trying to get money out of folks to, or developers to underground utilities at all. And we have been trying to deal with this issue in some fashion with no success, in my opinion, over the course of the last 18 years that I've been on council. I challenge the new council to address this head-on. It ought to be part of the comprehensive planning process, frankly, and it ought to be done whether it's through, and I know this is heresy in some quarters to say this, but through some sort of tax district or whatever you want to do to actually fund it, but it ought to be a fair way of funding it that's spread throughout the community, both on businesses and residential frankly because everybody benefits with underground utilities. But to, in some ways go after one business, when I think they truly discovered that this was more expensive than they thought they were getting into when they originally came forward with this application. I think it's unjustified, but that's my own view, and certainly the issue is now before the Council. So if there's no further comments, I'll call the question. Vote in favor is to deny the application of the request. All council members in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed no? No. The vote is for to the Chair votes no. Thank you. Okay. Now we'll turn to agenda item seven B, which is a public hearing council action by ARG, LLC, by John the Palatano of the LON companies, pursuant to CityCodes Section 110-8748 to extend for an additional two years. The approval of an SUP for temporary use within the highway corridor overlay district. Property known as 3580 and 3590 Chamberlain's Road, and 10505 and 10507, 10509 and 10511 Orchard Street. Has this been properly advertised? Okay, staff report, please. The renewal before you tonight is for the subject, the collaborative site of six properties at the corner of Orchard Street and Chambridge Road depicted here by the Red Boundary lines. The applicant now has has purchased 13 total properties but just the six outlined here are subject to the renewal missing number four should be the long skinny one down the metal. These special use permit renewal extends for an additional two-year period, the 2005 temporary use for vehicle storage within the highway corridor overly district. And again since 2005 the applicant has acquired seven more parcels for a total of 13 23 ultimately needed for this redevelopment. The final storm water design for this area around the North Facts node still needs to be finalized and implemented by the city. The applicant is working on acquiring additional parcels and working through storm water design through the city. on acquiring additional parcels and working through storm water design through the city. The evaluation criteria for renewal of the special use permit is based on the criteria of 110, 366 for special use permits and special exceptions and 110, 874 for the renewal of temporary special use permits in the HCOD. Staff recommends approval of the applicant's request to extend the time limitations of the special use permit for two years. With the conditions that were approved in 2005, which ensure that 35 foot wide landscape strip remained long-chain birds road, appropriate screening and tree protection remain along the edges of the site, that the use of the size restricted to vehicle stores and over-payer cells happen on it, that vehicle transport carriers still be prohibited on orchard street, and that disclosure to the Zoning Administrator that all the seas of the site have been advised with the potential for property damage to the flooding, and that all existing and future leasees of the site have been advised that the potential for property damage do the flooding and that all existing and future leases of the site for a harmless agreement prepared by the city. What's that out to any questions? Great, thank you very much. Any questions for staff? Okay, I'd like to ask the applicant if you'd like to come forward and make any comments to the microphone please. If you wish to. Thank you. Okay. Are there any questions for the applicant this evening? Okay. With that, this is a public hearing and we don't have anybody previously signed up if anyone would like to address the City Council on this item. And I only see Mr. O'Dell, so please join us Mr. O'Dell. Gerry O'Dell, 3920 bad rather sheet Mr. Napolitano says he'll answer any questions, but he didn't answer my question, placed to him by telephone before the election about the bid rate. Okay, so I would suggest, especially in light of that failure on his part, that you, before approving this attach a condition, that there be a lock box put on all of the money raised by the bid program, and that his salary, good for one more year because you approved it for one year, 2008, 2009, and thereafter, unless the bid tax is raised back to the 6 cent level it used to be from its current one cent emaciated level which is adequate only for paying his salary which is is, as I recall, $100,000,000. And I'd like to ask in terms of whatever his salary level of the bid is, was the city position classification plan and pay schedule applied to determine that $100,000 or whatever the exact figure is, is appropriate for his position in charge of bid. I think there should be some linkage here. I mean, the guy is not destitute. He's got this as a means of income. Mr. Silverthorn, I mean, the comments are not germane, as Mr. Napolitano was an employee. Mr. Griefeld, I was going to comment, I was going to let him finish, but he, Mr. Napolitano, my sincere apologies. We know Mr. O'Dell often plays loose with the facts. Apparently I have a child somewhere out there being taken care of as well. I saw in his campaign literature. So again, I apologize and we'll move forward. Anybody else like to address the City Council on this item? Okay, hearing none, we'll entertain a motion by the City Council. Mr. Mayor. Mr. Winner. Mr. Winner. Thank you. I move the City Council approved the request of ARG to LLC by John E. Napolitano, the land companies agent to extend the time of limitations, special use permit SU-1488-04-1, dash 0 4 dash 1 pursuant of section 110 dash 874 print 8 of the city code at the property located at 35 80 and 35 90 chain bridge road and 10 505 10 507 10509 and 10 Orchard Street and more particularly described as tax map parcels 57-2-08-11, 12-13, and 57-2-0-2-17-18, and 19, subject to the same conditions imposed in the original approval of SU-148804-1 on February 8th, 2005. Sorry, thank you. It's been moved by Ms. Winter, seconded by Mr. Greenfield. Any discussion? I would. Please. Thank you. Just to thank the applicant for taking care of the property, making it look good using it in a way that is good as we wait for a master plan, as we wait for improvements to be approved on that land so that something a little bit more productive can be placed there. But I wholeheartedly, as we wait, that this land be used for some reason. So thank you very much. Any further comments? I just want to echo Ms. Winner's comments and also, urge the city to be a little more aggressive. I think Mr. Palatano, when you and I talked a couple of years ago about this, I had this concern that we'd be seeing you again in two years. And here we are. It's always a pleasure to see you, but I'm hoping that we can continue to make some progress so on that corner. We thank you for being a good corporate citizen. And again, my apologies for the incorrect statements by the previous speaker. With that, all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Chair votes aye and the motion passes 6 to 0. Thank you very much. Okay, now we're going to turn to agenda item number nine, which are presentations by the public on any item not subject to the agenda this evening. Is there anybody? I don't believe we have anybody signed up? We do not. So if there's anybody that would like to address the City Council on this item, please come forward. Let me,. NAP first, please. Welcome Mr. NAP. Thank you. Good evening everyone members of council. My name is Brian NAP. I live at 3465 Bears just keeps circle this evening. I'm here on behalf of my colleagues of Prague and as chairman of Prague. I have six topics I'd like to run through and I'll try to do it as quickly as possible. Summer Programming, Trails Day, an update on construction of our parks projects, a recent joint meeting we had with the School Board, CIP Planning and Community Center. So today is a vivid reminder that summer is around the corner. And if you're someone who lives in Breeze Park and Recreation, you wait all year for summer to finally arrive. And you plan all year for summer to finally arrive, because this is really what it's all about of using our facilities outdoors. As you know, trails day is going to take place in early June. We have movies under the moon. There are going to be five movies that take place in early June. We have movies under the moon. There are going to be five movies that will be in late June. We have skate fest in June. Our traditional day camps are about to start. We have 575 children enrolled so far. It's like close to 99% of all of our summer camps. Traditional summer camps are filled. We also this year, though, have new sports camps, and just across I know you've been interested in all this. And we vowed to you that we would only proceed if we had a sufficient number of people. And I'm pleased to announce that we're going to proceed with camps in basketball, wrestling, and soccer. But we're also offering specialty camps in art, environment, and CSI. We have 79 pavilion rentals between June 1st and August 31st with a lot more probably to come through. I'd be remiss to point out if I didn't point out that on July 4th we have the best 4th of July in all of Virginia with our parade and other events and then culminating with the fireworks and the band at the high school. And then throughout the summer, of course, we expect heavy use of our 23 parks, our 16 playgrounds, and our 21 miles of trails. So a lot to look forward to. Trell's Day. As many of you know, and I hope all of you have gotten your invitation, Trell's Day has taken place on June 7th. It's celebrated every year nationally. For many years now, thanks to Mayor Mason, the city has endeavored to celebrate its own trails day in connection with National Trails Day. And we use that time to highlight our own trails and our parks and our trails through our parks. And so I'm pleased to announce that this year, like last year, we're partnering with Seem Mommy Run. It's a nonprofit organization which you know promotes fitness with young children and families and all. So there'll be a 5K run and a 1 kilometer fund run. There's also going to be a walk on our trails. We're going to have scouts and 4H with booths and all. And so there'll be a ceremony at 930 to commemorate many things. But I'm really pleased this evening to make you aware that a couple years ago we instituted the Prab Exemplary Service Award and this year's honoree is going to be Scott Silverthorn. We've had two other honorees. Art Little was the first and then John Mason last year. Prab thought about this and this was an easy decision to want to commemorate all of Scott's many years of service to the city. A long-standing supporter of Parks and Recreation, a real champion for Parks and Recs. And it would be, we all know that all the contributions that Scott has made to open space and everything that's followed from that initiative. So we're really delighted to honor you, Scott, and you're... Thank you. As long as I don't have to do that 5K, I'm in good shape. All right, so that's two things. Item three, parts update. Look, I've been doing this stuff for almost nine years now. April 22nd was the most historic evening that I've had doing parks and wrecks. And that was the evening that as you know, you approved the expenditure to recommend the contractor for Stafford Park, Draper Drive, Park and Providence Elementary. So what has happened since that time, three weeks of our elapsed? Well, I'm pleased to announce that after all this discussion, planning, outreach, all the work by volunteers, PRAB, Fairfax, Lillig, FUIC, all of your work, we have broke ground. So at Trape or Drive, last Wednesday, we have broke ground. This is a project now that will go and culminate with the two fields and lights on the field and will be finished by August 31st. That's the projected date, ready for then fall use. So that's the first of three major projects. The second major project, as you know, is Stafford Park. And there you know, this is just not a place that there's going to be a rectangular field. This is a true park, our first park since 1982. And there will be several amenities there. I would urge you to consider at this time and prop recommends that when this park is finally done, which is October 31st, that's our projected date, that we actually have two dedications. There's the rectangular field, but there's also going to be a barrier-free playground. That's the official title of this playground. And this is a place that all children can use, and I underline all, to include then those with special needs and those with different disabilities. This is a park that goes beyond what ADA recommends. And so in that this is really going to be historic and Mike McCarty and I think there's only one of these in Northern Virginia that this unto its own deserves special recognition and we may want to dedicate that separately. Then the third major project, as you know, is Providence Elementary School Field 3 and 5, the new ballpark over there. We also have broke ground there. This is, as you know, where we're going to be moving dirt from Stafford, and then eventually has to be leveled off. In September, God willing, we'll be back to you again, and you will need to approve a contractor for phase two. So phase one is just moving dirt but phase two is the actual contractor. So there's a lot of work that needs to be done between now and then, a lot of work by Parks and Recs but also by planning. And hopefully there won't be a whole lot of impediments. And if all that falls into place, we hope to be done there on March 2009. Three other things to note, you know at Providence Park, we're going to put in two new tennis courts. And once again, in September, we'll be back to have you approve the contractor for that project. We also in Radcliffe Park this June, we hope to work on the drainage challenges that we've had there for longstanding. And then finally, I would like to point out that at linear the junior school we're working right now on the two fields that were impacted by all the construction and by spring of oh nine we hope to have those fields back online or earlier so those are our park projects and so kind of it's unbelievable to stand here and describe all those things that are currently ongoing. My fourth item. We had a joint meeting with the school board last week on May 8th. This is an annual event where our two bodies come together and we compare notes on important activities that relate to both of our boards. This is especially important because, as you know, there are great synergies between the schools and the fields and the parks and Recreation Department. So we reviewed several agenda items including the successful after-school programs that took place this year at Providence Elementary and Daniels Run. The other item that we addressed was CIP projects as they particularly relate to the schools. So that's my fifth item. As you know, annually, in the fall, PRAB advises the Parks and Recreation Department on the priorities for the upcoming budget year. Now I know CIP items and the next couple of years are going to be really hard. Dollars will be short. Nonetheless, we feel an obligation to kind of make sure we have that list of the targeted needs, the priorities. And you know that list is basically kind of three categories. There's the wish list of kind of new things. Through the improvements we want to make to our existing infrastructure, and then there's the things that have to be done because they're either getting old or falling apart like bridges or playground equipment. And so we invited the school board to drum up ideas as they use our facilities this summer. The same requirements been imposed on the Prague members for the summer to go out and think about CIP projects and we'll do our annual outreach to Fairfax Little League and FPYC and I'm here tonight to challenge you as you go through the summer to also think about our parks and our trails and to let us know if you've got ideas of things that you see that either need to be repaired or fixed or improved or the new ideas. Finally community center. As I said, April 22nd was pretty historic. Well you had a work session where you also defined some major things related to the community center. So, Prav and others, I think, thank you very much. In some, you kind of pushed four things. One, that we're going to design for 32,000 square feet. That we're going to do this in two phases. You're talking about $5 million, and you're talking about a footprint that minimizes the impact on the existing infrastructure and the endike. This is great guidance, and it's much appreciated. But we really crave for more guidance and we implore you to give us more guidance. On June 10th, I'm told that on that evening you're going to approve the recommend of design and engineer firm that staff has been working on. We were really blessed to get over 15 design and engineer firms who came in and said we we want to work with you, the City of Airfax, to build your community center. And so that's been now narrowed down to one, and we're negotiating with that firm and trying to figure out how much this is going to take to be able to hire this firm. So on June 10th, hopefully you're going to make that approval. I'm told though, you're also going to have a work session on the community center. So I'd like to frame that work session since I'm not able to be there. I have a travel requirement for work and I apologize in advance that I can't be there. But hopefully my colleagues and other groups will be here. But I'd like to frame two issues then for the work session. The first one has to do with the schedule. We all know that the Sherwood agreement has kind of two dates in it. One of those dates is that by November or November of 2010 we need to be substantially completed with the community center. The agreement then backs that up a little bit more and says that by December 09 we need to break ground. Okay? So then if you back up that more you get to some date in the winter, early 09, where we pretty much have to know what phase one and phase two is. And we all have had to have begun that dialogue with you that you make your decisions on what you want to embrace as phase one and phase two. So what I urge you to do on June 10th is look at that time frame between June 10th and when the phase one and phase two pretty much have to be done. What expectations do you have of the design and engineering firm about the outreach that they're going to do? You know, I'm really proud of this document as is Commission of the Arts, FPYC, and the Senior's Council. This we thank to find for you what the 32,000 square feet should look like. And we did a lot of outreach to do this, but we know there's lots of other people out there who'd like to give their input. So whether it's a shred process or just a Saturday at Old Town Hall where you host a meeting and you invite comment, this is the type of guidance that is needed to go forward. And I'm hoping on June 10th or shortly thereafter you can to frame all that. Now I'm pleased to tell you this evening that Prab already has defined Phase 2. We have spent the last couple of weeks and we're ready to give you that recommendation. I think by June 10th all four groups that gave you that original presentation is also going to be prepared to tell you what they think Phase 1 and phase two should look like. So that's great, but there are lots of other views out there and you have to define how you're going to get those. The second basket of issues is the hardest and that's money. All right, so there's absolutely other than talking about $5 million, there is no guidance that you have given on money. None. That's okay. But I'm hoping you're going to get there. Okay, so what I mean by that is that on June 10th, some amount of money is required to hire this design and engineering firm. $100,000, $500,000, a million, I don't know what it is, but staff's going to let you know what that is. And I'm sure you already know how you're going to pay for that. I know how you're going to let you know what that is. And I'm sure you already know how you're going to pay for that. I know how you're going to pay for that. It's going to come out of the agreement. Okay? That's fine. That's your decision. But I think there's a lot, all of the prep would urge you to agree to replenish that amount of money eventually, somehow, so that then we're back up to $5 million for construction. But that again is your decision. The other thing that we know involves money is what's, I'm sorry to do this to you, but I'm almost done. Thank you. Is FFE, furniture, fixtures, and equipment? How are we going to pay for that? Is that going to come out of the $5 million or are we going to have extra funds? And then finally, the amount of money that's needed to improve and die, depending on where you put this. So I'm hoping on June 10th you kind of give the guidance that's needed. We haven't explored at all grants, other donors, all of the other ways that we could raise more money and hopefully you could charter and ask folks to go forward and do that. So let me close by just saying that on behalf of the Prabhupra, I'd like to wish Ms. Lyon, Mr. Silverthorn, Ms. Patrice, we'd like to wish you well as you leave council. Thank you for all the support that you've given parks and recreation. Look at it, I guess, is getting all this free time reclaimed. Also like to say a special credit to Ms. Winter. You were a frequent visitor or Prab meetings over the years. You were always a terrific listener, and you may not always agree to what we were saying, but you took the time to listen. We appreciate that. Thank you. Thanks for your time. Thank you very much, Mr. Namp. I'll just add that, you know, although we don't always adopt everything the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board advises us on, I will just say that there is no more passionate chairman or member of any board of commission than you are. We really do appreciate your service to the community. Thank you. Anyone else like to address the city council on this item? Let me turn to Miss Elizabeth Geh, please. Welcome. Members of council and friends in the audience and former colleagues. First of all, I have to say having served on Prague years ago and as chairman, I mean, Prague has come a very long, long way and it's a tribute to the leadership they have and to the director. So that's a ceremonial note for all involved. And I'm not sure. Maybe I don't have the revised agenda. Is this an agenda item? I thought we were now to- We're in presentations by the public on any item. Oh, okay, please. I thought maybe I'd miss any. My name is Elizabeth Ghee. I live at 9716 Ranger Road. I've served in a number of capacities through the years because you know I love the city and I love my community. I'm here tonight. I was just elected president. I don't know if you know that. I've been serving on our board of directors and so I take that challenge as an honor and to see things through. And I would just say as a comment to my former colleagues behind us about PREV, I think going forward it would be really important to include the community that live in the park areas about suggestions, things that need to be improved. There are just a lot of, we live around parks and so we know the parks in the draper range of road and soon to be staffed better than most people. I'm not better than the expert, but when you're in the neighborhood you do understand what the needs are. And I just wanted to come to night and ask for some considerations going forward. I want to first address the notification process for the construction of both draper and staffer very much like for I don't remember the timeline between when ground is broken in construction, but I think it would be most helpful and beneficial that the residents of the community know what's about to happen. We're going to be having to coexist with construction equipment on both plantation and staffer drive for quite a while. And to date, I have not been notified of anything. So I think it's not satisfactory to just notify the people at the end of Ranger Road and let it be done at that. I think that the residents need to be notified in these communities just as they were in the very beginning. Just for goodwill and for people to understand what's about to happen. Also, I wanted to go on and talk about the tree removal. There is no inventory that I understand for the tree removal at Stafford, other than the hardwoods at the top of the ridge. Now, I saw that inventory about a year ago. It was 389 trees and I can't even tell today what of that number will be removed. But everything in the bowl and the edge is going to be clear cut. And I think it's appropriate that anything six inches and over in caliber, I think that's the tree ordinance should be in the toy. We should have some idea. And I think there should be some mitigation as part of this. And the last is, and so then we get to how many trees indeed are going to be removed. And then the last part, it concerns the wetlands and we do know there are two wetlands there. And I guess I would ask of Council and staff now. Is the second one being delineated because it never has been? And is there, DEQ is jurisdictional over more than 10 acres. I think the core looked at it, but I don't think DEQ has delineated it. And so that involves permitting. Is there going to be permitting? And is there going to be any mitigation in regard to that? And you may not have the answer tonight, but I'm just putting in the record as a request. We'll make sure we get back you on this. Thank you very much. Thank you. Anyone else like to address the City Council under this item? Mr. Odell. 4.30, sir. Please. That's not possible. Today the Church observes the Feast of our Lady of Fatima. During World War II, only one European country was not a participant Portugal. By 1917 communism began threatening all of Europe. It was in Fatima, Portugal, that our blessed mother, the mother of Jesus, appeared to three small shepherd children, Jacinta Marta and her brother Francisco and, and their cousin, Lucia Dawson, also, ranging in age from 69 or 10. She appeared to them at noon on the 13th of the month, for six consecutive months, May 13th through October 13th, 1917. Mary's messages to them and through them to us can be boiled down to as one priest did this morning in his homily at our Lady of the Sorrow's Catholic Church to South of George Mason University, quote, pray, pray for sinners, pray for the conversion of sinners, pray for peace, uncle. Over the months in 1917, as word of the vision spread throughout Portugal Carauds began to come to the COVID era to see where our lady always landed Parked so to speak the small white cloud on which she traveled on top of a Small tree No one in the Carauds could see our lady only the visionaries. The local communist officials anxious to suppress anything religious, kidnapped the children and interrogated them, threatening to kill them if they did not recant. Had the children been lying, they surely would have recanted. They did not recant. For their final month, October 1917, a huge crowd of tens of thousands, I think 70,000 gathered at the COVID-19 era, making their way through rain-soaked muddy fields, their clothes drenched in the downpour. They came expecting to see the promised sign and an unmistak mystical sign they saw. The sun began spinning and dancing, changing hues in a dazzling display of the colors of the rainbow. Then suddenly the sun sped downward towards earth, the crowd sensing and pending doom, panicked and began screaming. Then just suddenly the sun reversed course, returning to its usual place in the sky. No one could dismiss the event as just an optical illusion since the rain stopped and everyone's drenched clothing along with the mud had completely dried up. Even the local secular press reported the astonishing event I've seen photographs. Consequently, the wicked, the cynical, the atheists, and the agnostics are forced, are forever left without any credibility in attempting to deny that this event ever took place. While our lady repeatedly urged the children to pray the rosary daily, her appearances in Fatima as elsewhere in history since Christian Christianity. Even more directed to the Eucharist, strong attention to the real presence of Christ, her son in the Holy Eucharist, and urging us to frequent and pious faith-filled reception of Jesus, their better life in Holy Communion. Indeed, in the years before, our lady appeared in the year, those three shepherd children were visited by an angel in 1916, who revered the Holy Eucharist, taught them and prayed with them some devout prayers, and administered the body and blood of Christ the Eucharist to the three of them. And at Fadma herself, our lady instituted the devotion of the five first Saturdays urging the faithful to go to confession and communion at least on the first Saturday of the month for five consecutive months and to say at least five decades of the rosary and separately meditate for at least 15 minutes on one or more of the 15 now it's 20 mysteries of the rosary all for the purposes of making reparations for her or Mackleard heart For all the sacrilegges and sacrilegious communions and the blasphemies and the indifference of men toward her son Jesus in the blessed sacrament Which he instituted to be our food You may use the rest of my 13 seconds Mr O'Dell. Thank you Anyone else like to address the city council under this item mr. Kerman? Well not this item I under this agenda item. How's that? Two things one I applaud to council tonight for finally standing up to a contractor Been sitting out here for several years and it's it's awful tough to deny them what they want. So I'm glad to see that we're finally gonna take a stand and make them do what they promise. The second thing is what Prab come up with tonight, I'm here a lot of about what to spend, looking at phase two, record setting, spending. On the news last night, they were talking about the price of barrel oil will reach probably $400 in the next year, which equates to $7 a gallon for gas. I think it's going to be all the city can do to maintain the services and things we have. So looking at future projects down the road, I would say for the next three or four years, is going to be a bit ludicrous to spend any money on. I think the new council coming in is going to have a full time job just trying to make the city work. People are not going to be real happy with any more increases in taxes. They're not going to be happy with any loss of services. And the one thing that equated out out of our community associations talks is that we sell the city as a small town atmosphere, yet when we build, we're building mansion status. We have to have the state's best park. We have to have the state's best city hall. We have to have the state's best community center. I would like to see the city council take it up as returning back to the small town field. We don't have to have the best in the state. We're not large enough to have it. We don't have the tax base to do it and to spend the money to do these things, just putting further burden on the taxpayers in this city. So again, I would like to put on the new City Council as they come forward to take a look at what you're doing, maybe take a step back and try to hold the status quo for the next few years. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Perman. I'm not sure they're going to have any choice but to do that, to be candid with you. Thank you very much. Anyone else like to address the council on this agenda item? Okay. Next is the approval of the minutes from the April 22nd meeting. Moved. Moved by Mrs. Lyon, seconded by Mr. Greenfield. Comments, Mrs. Cross. Thank you, Mr. Smith-Fern. I do have a correction. Just have to find it here. There it is. Age 16, line 23. I believe that's to read the last sentence, or the last word should be earnest, rather than unrest. That's a good catch. We can be taking a lot of ways. Okay, I'll accept that as a friendly. Any other comments or corrections? Okay, with that, all in favor signify by saying aye. Chair votes, aye. Passes unanimously. Agenda item number 11, comments by City aye. Chair votes aye. Passes unanimously. Agenda item number 11, comments by City Council. If I can turn to Ms. Winterfuerst. To turn on. Hopefully it's working. By the way, we don't have the best of everything. Our microphones aren't working tonight. So let me make that clear as well. That's right. I have three things. Please. Thank you. I too would like to send condolences to Ms. Tutti Marsh on the loss of her full of its steward. They both have given a lot of time and their energy and talents to the city. And we will miss steward a lot. Thank you. I would like to publicly thank Jason Jason. Smart, who was my campaign manager for his dedication and guidance during my campaigns in 2006 and 2008. And I wish him success as he pursues his PhD. And the third thing is, before the next meeting we will celebrate Memorial Day. And as has become a custom in the city Sunday morning the 25th, the rolling thunder will be coming through our city. And it is a growing event. And I would invite people to come out and honor those who have served our country so tirelessly and unselfishly. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Werner. Mrs. Lyon. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I mean, Mr. Sobhuthan. I would like to echo my condolences to Ms. Trudy-Margisheim. She's a dear friend and she's helped me in many ways over the last six years and I wish her much love and God's speed through the sad time. I have a couple other messages I'd like to chat about and one of them is the Blendum Estate. I've gotten a couple calls from some of the folks that are walking through Country Club Hills. And Mr. Sisson, I wonder if you know when they're going to be cleaning up the end of Park Hill and Cornwall Road. If that, it is flooding, there's a lot of stones down where we have the drains there on Park Hill. I think it's Park Hills at the end of the corner there. And I've had two or three calls on that. And it is, I walked over there and it does look pretty awful. So where are we in in that? We'll get it cleaned up if it's, and very quickly, unless it has to kind of dry out for a couple of days, but there's probably been some wash. But well, the fence is down. I mean, I thought that we were going to be closing that we were waiting for the gas company to do their thing and they've done that. So where are we in the plan for the end of that street? They've really kind of gone through a lot there. Those neighbors right down there. Yeah, I don't know exactly what the schedule is for that part, but I'll find out and give back to me on that. Thank you. Back to me on that. Thank you. And then there's a couple of things that I know that I've been charging at some point over the last couple of years with things that I had some passions about. And one is Kitty Posey-Garden. And I got to actually a couple of emails about it, which made me go, I better chat about it a little bit. And I'm hoping that over the next couple of years, I know we put key poseer on hold, that we don't, I'm not asking to spend money on this time, but that we don't forget in the next couple of years that we had planned where that parking lot is is to be to extend that garden. And I'm hoping the new council and maybe a council after that will continue to consider that expansion. So I would like to put that on record. The second thing is, as I walk around the cemetery, looking at plots every so often. I know it sounds funny, but my husband every so often thinks we need to get all our ducks in a row. And I notice that there's a certain section of the cemetery that doesn't have any tree plantings. And we even considered a blunt bind and extra plot so we could plant a tree on it so we can continue the historic feel of the cemetery. So I'm wondering if we can, Mr. Simpson, I think we've talked about this before, but I invite to understand how is there a plan to continue to make, you know, the cemetery have a few bit, you know, a little friendlier feel in that open area where we could plant and get some trees planted in some of those in that track that is attached to judicial draw. I don't know how we go about doing that but. Mr. Assistant, a friendlier feel for the summer time. Uh huh. People like to visit it. I know my Mr. Assistant would come in. Not Halloween-ish. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the problem is that you look at the thing. You want to go, I want that one up at the hill by the tree. Mr. Sissing, do you want to comment? Sure. Ms. Lien, I know, of course, the cemetery is very carefully planned and there are, you know, the plots that are there. I don't know that there are in the unplanted area. I don't know that there are spaces for trees because we wanted maximum utilization of the land. Now, there could be some areas where originally when the cemetery was master plan, there were trees and they've since died and that may have left an open space and we'll carefully go back over that plan. But it would certainly take the guidance of the council to go back in and change the use from a burial plot to a tree location. And so that's a discussion for down the road. Sounds like a great issue next time. Okay, well I'd like to see if that can get on an agenda. Miss Lann. Thank you, Mr. So, I'm going to keep on going since I know that you just can't stand any chat. I mean, I would like to remind folks about the June 7th and that is the trail state that is always fun at Van Dyke Park and I would like to remind folks about that and also the parade of the rolling thunder that brings a huge crowd and it is an impressive thing to be a part of and to be a bystander. So I do encourage folks to come out to that parade. I'd like to congratulate the new people on council, Mr. Sombrais, who's back in the back, and Mr. Meyer with no ass. Thank you. And I don't see Dave or Dan Drummond in the audience, but I'd like to congratulate all of you on your new adventure. It was an opportunity of a lifetime for me, and I only hope the best for you. So thank you, Mr. Sovethan. Thank you, Mr. Rasmussen. Thank you. Mr. Greenfield. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I mean, Mr. Sovethan, I'm not trying to be some heart. Usually, the mayor is always there. So a couple of comments. I wouldn't ask without any objection for my colleagues that we send flowers to the March family. Please, on behalf of the mayor and city council, all of us have had our opportunity to work with Tudy. I had the opportunity to stop by her house last evening. And much to my amazement, she's hurtably strong and doing very well under the circumstances. I certainly appreciate all the calls of support that she's received so far. She was before me on election day when she called me and said that Stewart had to go to the hospital and we kept in contact through Sunday evening and I began to wonder if something else wasn't going on and then got the word Monday. So I started, you know, we missed Stewart. They were good friends to my family and I know to the city as well. The next item is something that every once in a while you get caught up in the heat of the moment. There's passionate discussion, debate going back and forth. Last month and our last meeting before election night, or election day, excuse me, I misunderstood some comments that my good friend Mr. Rasmussen made. And I want to apologize for those remarks. Gary and Mary-Jo have been friends since the early 90s and have certainly been big supporters of Lisa and I as we have struggled with some of our challenges with Alexandra and while you have to admit that you made a mistake and I made a mistake and I want to apologize for that because I made those comments publicly I want to take this opportunity to apologize publicly for misunderstanding and misunderstand for comments. So, thank you. You're welcome. And then lastly, certainly I want to echo the congratulations for everyone who won. Just get ready for the long nights, and not seeing your wife as much as you have over the last number of years. But it will be a great opportunity I look for to being able to serve with you, and I also want to, and I think we'll have further opportunities to do this but Thank my colleagues who some have chosen not to return and others Maybe going to take a little time off. It's been a but you to work with all of you and certainly wish all of you the best That I will yield the floor. Thank you scream some so worth miss his cross Thank you, so have Creepham. Still worth it. Misses Cross. Thank you, Mr. Soap. I have two things to ask Mr. Sissen about. How did we do with the flooding yesterday? Did the creeks hold up? How did we do in the city? And beyond that, how did we do out at the reservoir? Well, the reservoir has been doing very well. I've sent you some periodic updates and I am all but certain. I didn't get a report today, but I'm all but certain it's full. That's an ought to be. You got a full. You have a full. In the city, Mr. Summers informed me that we had a few down trees. I think we had one home that flooded and that was kind of an unusual circumstance that the city is working with Torjameis and University. There was some construction nearby that caused some new drainage patterns with regard to one home. But that is all I heard about and Mr. Summers may know further items. There was a couple locations where we had some high water. There was a couple areas where some residents were concerned about some of the flooding close to the homes. Fortunately our storm drain crew was on top of it and kept the sewer clear the debris out of the most of the structures. So considering the amount of rain we had I would say that it went very well. Congratulations. That's good news. I wondered Mr. Smith, you might be able to tell us a little more about the movie that's being filmed in the city? I don't know the name of the production company or the name of the film. I just know that the city was contacted, I think, ultimately they got the well in their way to Joe Vermisher, who helped them find some locations in the city. I understand that the head of this production company was maybe went to school in this area and had some fond memories of TT Reynolds. Spent some time there that he probably should have been studying. But at any rate, developed a fondness for the area and now that he's in this production business, return to the area and brought in several of large pieces of equipment, mobile studio, mobile dressing rooms and large trucks and a lot of gear. They were on Main Street, parked for a couple of days. The city allowed them to park their equipment in various places. They filmed overnight, a couple of times, and the city participated in that. They purchased some police services from the city to enable them to shoot at these locations. But just as soon as we have some more information about premier or whether or not the film actually wraps up and is produced, we'll certainly get in touch with you. Or if you're looking for extras, you might be. Right. I mean, they're very attractive people here on the interest of using us. City has been the location of several others over the past number of years. Thanks for your time. And I credit Ms. Omsher, I'm sure, had a hand in bringing that to the city and I certainly congratulate her for her efforts. No one has mentioned the antique car show that's this Saturday right here on in front of the hall. So hopefully we'll have a pretty day for that. Thank you to the staff for copying on both sides of the paper. I'm thrilled to ask about that. It takes very little to make me so happy. I would ask the staff we could take a look at code 110105K to see what we can do to beef up this business of expenses exceeding 5% of the total cost of the proposed construction so that we don't have such a loophole there for applicants to come back and change their application because all of a sudden it's too expensive to do. Can we take a look at that? We'll report back to you, sure. Thank you. Obviously, we want to be sure that we do the proper notifications to the neighborhoods relative to the park's park work that's going on. I'm sure that is underway. Congratulations to Steve Stombrase and David Meyer. Wonderful job. Gosh, you guys just stormed the city and congratulations to you. I look forward to serving with you. And Mr. Silver, congratulations. Your honor from Prague is well deserved. Thank you. And then if I could just take one more minute because I was very remiss the night of the celebration at Old Town Hall to thank the one person who makes everything possible for me and that's my husband run. I was so excited and overcome with the moment that I really didn't think the one person that should have been first on the list. So many thanks to my husband who is obviously the brains behind this whole operation. So thank you, Ron. Thank you very much. But as you said, you're easy to please. So we, we're gonna, Ron's gonna hold you to that. Yes, ma'am. Let me just say that, you know, my heart and prayer goes out, prayers go out to 2D Marsh as well. And I know that all of us feel for her at this difficult time. I too would like to, I know we're echoing here and when you go last this is what happens, but I do want to congratulate the City Council elect on their victory and I also want to recognize the great service of my colleagues, Miss Winter and Mrs. Lyon for their years of service to the city. And it's a very tough job. I've done it for 18 years, so I know how tough it is. And the sacrifice that everyone on this diet makes for public service. And sometimes it goes unnoticed and unappreciated, but just know that those of us who know what the job entails really do appreciate the work of others who put forward, whether it's an volunteer capacity or an electric capacity, and I appreciate it very much. With that, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. It's been moved by Mr. Greenfield and seconded by Ms. Winter. All in favor? Chair votes aye. Passes unanimously. Thank you very much and have a good night.