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We apologize for being a few minutes late. We were doing interviews for boards and commissions and it went over just a few minutes. If you would please stand for the invocation which will be presented by Council member Subratherne and remain standing for the Pledge of Alleg will be presented by Council Member Subratherna or remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Dear Lord, we ask that during this meeting as we discuss and deliberate on issues of importance to our community that you help us be guided by your spirit. May we be wise in our judgment, balanced in our discernment and judgment, and fair in our decisions. That we may at times have different views that we should listen to one another and be guided by our common goals. May we always be mindful in our words and actions of what is best for the wonderful community we call home, the City of Fairfax. We ask this in your name, Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God in the visible liberty and justice for all. Please be seated. I have one presentation for tonight. Ms. Colay, Ms. Anderson, please come forward with the Fairfax partnership of the youth. This actually is National Mentoring Month and I'd like to read the following proclamation. Please come on up. Whereas the future course of our nation rests on the soldiers of the youth and educated confidence in nurtured children will give rise to a stronger nation, whereas mentoring is a proven effective strategy, matching a caring, responsible adult with a student to provide guidance and build confidence, stability, and direction for children, and whereas research is shown that mentoring has a definitive impact on young people by increasing attendance at school, improving rates of high school graduation and college attendance, and decreasing involvement with drugs, alcohol, and violent behaviors, and whereas the establishment of the National Mentoring Month will emphasize the importance of the mentoring and recognize with praise and gratitude to many Americans who already involved in mentoring, and whereas the celebration of a said month would above all encourage more people to volunteer as mentors to benefit of our country's children. Now therefore I, Robert Fletcher, amere the City of Fairfax and Concert with the City Council and behalf of the citizens of the City of Fairfax 2 hereby proclaim the month of January, 2008 is National Mentoring Month, and the City of Fairfax and Urge, all citizens of the volunteers of Mentor and promote awareness, involvement, and support for the mentoring of our youth. And let me just say on behalf of my colleagues, thank you for all you all and your organization do. And maybe you could take just a second to tell us a little bit about those activities. Thank you Mayor and city council members. My name is Leihah Anderson and on behalf of the Fairfax Mentoring Partnership and initiative of the Fairfax Partnership for Youth it is my pleasure to accept this national mentoring month proclamation. The Fairfax Mentoring Partnership is composed of more than 30 organizations that make mentoring a reality in Fairfax County. Every year mentors donate thousands of hours to help you realize their potential both educationally and personally. We applaud those individuals and their contributions that make the City of Fairfax a better place for all of us, especially young people. We hope that through the celebration of National Mentoring Month, more people will realize the influence and impact they can make in the life of a young person, as well as the personal sense of achievement and satisfaction they will gain by becoming a mentor. We will host a mentoring lunch in at Cox Communications on January 22, 2008 2008, for those interested in learning more about mentoring or coming to share their mentoring experience. And I hope that many of you can attend. Again, thank you for your commitment to mentoring. Thank you. We just closed up. Let's get a quick photo here. We can. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it. You're out here. There. Guys. Okay. That now brings us to agenda number four, which are presentations by the public on any item that is on tonight's agenda, but does not call for a public hearing. So if you want to talk to us about any of the items with the exception of 7a, this would be your opportunity if you're here to talk to us about 7a, which is the childcare facility, that opportunity will come up in just a few minutes. So nobody has previously signed up with anybody in the audience like to address the City Council again on any item that's on tonight's agenda but does not call for a public hearing. Hearing none, we'll move to item number five, which is adoption of the agenda. Move by Mr. Silverthorn, seconded by Mrs. Lign, any discussion? On a little favor, the motion signified by voting aye. Opposed and a passionate anemonessee. Now moved to item number six, which is the consent agenda. Screen fill. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Remove adoption of a consent agenda for agenda item number six, a introduction of an ordinance emending Chapter 90, prevent taxation and prevent article eight. Division one and two of the code of the City of Fairfax, Virginia pertaining to the cigarette tax and for agenda item number 6A moved away to the first reading and set the public hearing for January 22, 2008. Second. Moved by Mr. Greenfield, seconded by Mrs. Winner. Does anyone wish to object or abstain from the handling of any of these items on the consent agenda? Erie, not in all in favor of the motion signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? And a pass unanimously. We're now down to item number 7a, which is a public hearing. 7a is a public hearing and council action and a request for approval of a special use permit to allow a home child care facility with up to 10 children maximum and an R2 residential district. On the premises known as 30604 Germantown Road is this from property advertised. Before I open up the public hearing and staff report there actually has been a request by the applicant to defer this application until I believe the first meeting in February if I'm not mistaken but let me before we just move off that is there anybody in the audience who came here tonight to testify in that item and you'd like to share your public input now while you're here? Okay. Then what I would suggest we do is we'll forgo the staff report. If there aren't any objections, I'll open up the public hearing. We'll invite the folks in the audience to hear. Just keep in mind there is a request by the applicant to defer, which we will probably be deferring by Council action in a few minutes. But nobody has previously signed up. Did you want to address the City Council? I would just like to express my incredible support for if you would. I'm sorry. Because we're on television and all the things I need to get you to say your name and address for the record. Yes I'm Michelle Grete I reside at 3825 Janssi Road in Fairfax City. I'm a professor at George Mason University and my daughter is currently in this facility and I just want to express my incredible support for loop-based loads. She's absolutely wonderful and I hope that the proposal goes forward. It's very, very difficult to find quality child care for, to give very young children in Fairfax. And so I'm just here to express my support. Thank you. And your comments will be carried on to the public hearing. Obviously you're welcome to come back or we'll just carry your comments on with the public. Thank you very much. Thank you. Was there another hand that went up anybody else like to address the City Council tonight on this item, Mr. Adel? Cheerio deal clock still out of order Still all eights. I'll just make sure we're number, as it gets me more time, I assume. That's it, I'm on the pull to string. The, there we go, we have something going on. The mayor asked if anyone else came here to speak on this topic tonight. I didn't come here to speak on this topic tonight, but once I got the agenda, I saw the topic and the deferral. And last, I not come next time for some reason, I just say a couple of rambling words now. Competition's good. I suspect the location of this is very close to a Germantown Road Elementary School by whatever name you choose to callvertisement Town Road, elementary school, by whatever name you choose to call it now, Providence, for example. There's another facility there already nearby that you approved several years ago, run by some Catholic nuns, members of St. Wales from Perish. They are Vietnamese, I believe, and from the most part there's skill and English, not as good as I would like, but they seem to have a good reputation for doing a good job. And I would hope that there wouldn't be an overabundance of child care facilities there cutting excessively into their margins, profit margins, whatever you call it, they'd probably consider it a non-profit. I doubt very strongly that they charge excessively. I know this is a little bit like saying we have one gas lean station in town and we don't need another one. That would be a very species argument there. It might not be here. I would ask you to consider whether there is adequate demand for another facility. And then maybe, but the two organizations, the existing and the proposed, do get out here at the microphone to make the case. Might be some questions for you to ask. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else like to address the City Council on this item? Actually, we've already, you're welcome back in February, but anybody else, if not, what I would suggest and like to do is entertain a motion for deferral until February 12th and we would continue, I would hope in that motion the public hearing. So folks will have an opportunity to provide input on any changes that may be made. So moved. Second. Moved by Mr. Rasmussen, second by Ms. Winter, any discussion? I'll in favor of the motion for deferral until February 2nd and continuation. The 12th. Excuse me. I looked right at it and said the 12th and I continue the public hearing indicate by voting aye. Aye. Opposed and a passing annum's seat. That now brings us down to item number 9, which are presentations by the public on any item that is not on tonight's agenda, but you would like to address the City Council on items of interest to the city. Nobody has, just double check that. Nobody has previously, you know, that's not true. I'm sorry. We do have a couple of folks that have signed up first as Gene A.G. and I reside at 10912 Warwick Avenue. And I'm the interim chairman of the City of Fairfax Commission on the Arts. And I'm here with great pleasure tonight because I want to express the thanks and appreciation of the Commission on the Arts. Gommis is Geraldine Sherwood and her family for this most generous gift to the city for the building of a community center. Many of us, as you know, have been working for years to have this happen. And it's really a wonderful gift. And we want to thank the City Council for enthusiastically accepting this gift, too. We held an informal informational meeting last week with arts organizations, members of arts organizations and interested citizens, and they also enthusiastically want to thank you for accepting this gift. And Carol Caputo, who is president of the Fairfax Art League, is here today with me to help support this. Yes. The members of these organizations and the commission have a great deal of knowledge and expertise in the needs of the arts community in this city. And we're looking forward to being involved in the planning of this great project. Thank you so much. Thank you. Brian Napp. Thanks Mr. Mayor, members of Council. Good evening. I'm here this evening, I guess my dress, 3, 4, 6, 5, Barristers, keep circle. I'm here this evening, I guess my dress, 3, 4, 6, 5, barristers keep circle. I'm here this evening as chairman of Prab, and on behalf of the 13 members of Prab, I'd like to thank Mr. Sherwood very much and her family for the extraordinary gift that she has provided our city for the construction of community center. And the members of Prab also wish to thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council, for accepting this gift on behalf of the city of residents. We know that you undertook many months of deliberations regarding this opportunity, studying the implications of the gift, and we're glad that you were able to come to consensus on this. Without question, this is really a wonderful gift, a wonderful opportunity. The joy and December and the excitement of this gift really added to the holiday spirit, and I'd maintain that this glow continues into the new year. I'm not a lifelong resident of Fairfax City as many in this room, but as a member of Pratt for over eight years, we have every year talked about a community center. As it turns out, when you agreed to accept Mr.. Woods gift at your December 11th meeting, you did so at the 40th anniversary of discussions about a community center at Van Dyke. I'm also here tonight to pledge on behalf of my colleagues on Pratt that as we go forward and we turn to this dream of 40 years into reality that we wish to stand by you and to work with you as you see fit. Of course we have many challenges ahead I would categorize three baskets of work. Funding of course is one of them and I assert to you that we do you do not stand alone in trying to wrestle with this issue. In my opinion thanks to the generous terms defined by Mr. Sherwood and her agreement with the city we have time over the coming months to explore opportunities for finding additional money to complement her generous gift. Whether it's a bond as you discussed in December or other bonds or other means to the economic development authority or simply put, maybe there are more donations out there to be had, either by other individuals or by groups coming together who might look at the community center as an opportunity in which they would like to give. This is our collective challenge and I don't think this is a singular burden that you should face alone. The second basket of work is actually, I think, one of the more exciting and that's to design the interior of the community center. Once again I think the Prab, Commission on the Arts and other stand ready to help you think through what are the things that we ought to put into this community center at Van Dyke. As you know all the things that currently take place at our community center at Green Acres are listed in these documents. Whether this one Fairfax Fundays or Young at Hard for the seniors, describe all the activities either for seniors or for youth, or for arts or for dance. And those are the things that we, as we look to design the community center that we're going to want to put into this place. And of course, Mr. Sherwood herself has made stipulations, which are very much in keeping with all the discussions that have taken place over 40 years about what you would want to put into this. I think it's really exciting that in the past couple of years as we've created a new building for our police officers, as we've created this new building, Bob, for your staff, we're finally going to be at the point to be able to create a community center that's not antiquated. It doesn't have antiquated lighting or bathrooms, doesn't have fire suppression or doesn't have handicap accessibility, which is, of course, all the things I'm describing at Green Acres will finally have something new to offer the residents of Fairfax City. And then finally, and I really maintain that this is Mr. Sherwood's godsend to us. We have a unique opportunity to redesign the face of Van Dyke Park along Old Lee Highway. This is something that many of us have wanted to do for numerous years. We now have the perfect opportunity to create the synergies that one can have between a community center and the new things that will be displaced by the creation of this new community center. The skateboard park, the playground, the outdoor pavilion, with a new footprint, we can look at ways to make all this flow together and really make them the community center a destination but a destination that can work with not only things indoors but outdoors. So in closing, I really do want to assert again that Prab and I'm sure other groups are standing ready to work with you and as you define the next steps we're waiting to be able to help you out. And in closing, I really would once again like to thank Mr. Sherwood and her family for the generosity that they have provided us and the residents of the city of Fairfax. Mr. Mayor, thank you. Thank you Nobody else else is signed up would anybody else like to address the city council? Yes, please My name is Darrell keys I live at one zero three two one Cleveland Street And I would like to thank the city for making the two places that I talked about last time I was here. I talked about place across Main Street and a place across to the parking lot over it safe way. Well the very next morning Willis Schaeffer met me at these places and Manny was with him and they said oh yes this is what needs to be to make it so I wouldn't break my wheels all the time. They got to sing down over across from my wargreens and just to show my appreciation I went across that place two or three times. And I just want to thank you for putting this together. And if there's some more places in the city that I think need to be addressed, and I can tell you about it in private later if you would like to hear that just give me a call. That's it for me. Great. Thank you very much and we certainly appreciate the staff and being so attentive following up on that request. Anybody else? Yes, please. Thank you, Mr. Marin Councilor. I'm Harry Wilber 10229 Aspen Willow Drive Fairfax. I'm also the vice chair of spotlight on the arts And I would like to on behalf of, thank Mrs. Sherwood for her marvelous gift, and also to thank Council and Mayor for pushing the ball forward. I want to say that Spotlight on the Arts has many other organizations within the city. Stand ready to help you and to contribute to its development. And we would hope that we can do that together to make the best community center in this part of the country. But thank you very much. Thank you. Anybody else like to address the City Council? Yes, please. But even Gary Parvin, 1-1-0-0-8, Westmore Drive, we have a new problem that's come up recently in our communities and I don't know if you're aware of it yet and I don't even know if there's anything it can be done. But what the price of gas the way it is, a lot of the workers in the city are now carpooling and leaving their cars in our communities and at night leaving their trucks in the communities. We've tried to work with our local people here but the definition of a work truck is pretty extraneous. It either has to have a T, a C tag, have riding on the side or way more than 20,000 pounds. The workers now know that if they take the riding off the side and get regular tags, that leaves almost any truck you can think of able to park in the communities. And we're starting to see them. And it's gonna be a problem because as you know, parking in the communities have become kind of a luxury to have anymore. And they're taking up parking. And I just don't want these big trucks parking from my house anyway. So anything that you can do or come up with that would help alleviate this problem would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Assistant. If you would, I'm not sure that's the only limitation, at least that I was aware of on commercial vehicles, but why don't we research it and see how we can be more reactive to that issue. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Anybody else in the audience like to dress to City Council? Mr. Adele. Gerry O'Dell, 3920, Bedwater Street. The time has come for the citizens of the City of Fairfax to declare their candidacy for seats on the City Council and the City of School Board. One can obtain the necessary papers from the General Registrar of the City of Fairfax, which is housed or who is housed, in the assistant building next door between this building and chambered road. between this building and Chamber of Drow. The a couple of reasons why others may want to run for your seats, I just made a list while waiting. The real estate tax rates went up excessively in the city for a period of several years in this century, resulting in the unjust swelling of the city coffers that was of course triggered by the 40-year record low interest rates that initiated one bidding war after another for individual properties. Another reason the council has virtually no standards when it comes to zoning requests. Virtually any special use permits, special exception, or waiver of a zoning requirement can be had. And in most applications or development or redevelopment, not one, but 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 of such requests are made. And, discussingly, routinely granted, many citizens of our city who don't follow politics here too carefully, were heavily involved in the Stafford Ballfield discussions, and they observed without any prodding for me that in fact this body has no real zoning standards. That's not a unique phenomenon. A Washington Post criticized another jurisdiction in the area for the same problem some several months before the ballpark discussions. The City Council has made stupid, not to say as well, ineffective, as they were both. Decisions regarding the closing of streets, the redirecting of traffic, the rush hour controls that far from helping to leave the congestion exacerbated them. I have brought them to your attention numerous times. You touted these sharp curves on North Street and Main Street, the S-curve, and the square corners that were intended to slow traffic. Well, I don't think they slow traffic much. What they do create is a lot more vehicles leaving their lanes a lot more risk of accident in slippery weather. Time will tell with the statistics back that out. The pity of it is, the pity of it is, that didn't even factor in the fact that there aren't that many pedestrians that be accommodating in a first place. It was totally ass and I. I don't fault you on your grounding utilities. That was very smart, very sensible. But the street widenings, the changing of the one-way streets, north and Maine and the two-way streets, when study after study showed that was on-wise, and then ultimately you admitted that the reason you did it was that they're request of the developer. It didn't have in mind the concerns of the citizens, the drivers, but the developer. Come on, guys. The council has taken over a dozen years. It does the deal with the George Mason Boulevard. You took so long to decide on where to locate our new city council, where I'm standing right now, right in the new city hall, where I'm standing right now, right in the city hall, and the new police department. You didn't engage the citizens in a scheduled orderly sort of way, and after you made the decision, then you start listening to them and you change your mind. Listen to them first, be efficient about things. You lost as a result the opportunity to let two contracts with potentially great savings, instead of giving one developer all of money in the pie for both projects when it wasn't necessary since the sites were not any longer one but two. The, you destroyed our centralized neighborhood school system and wasted money and doubling the size of the other schools. I've lectured you before and will again about abortion and Kaiser Permanente and so on and amount of time. Thank you, Mr. O'Dell. Anybody else in the audience like to address the City Council? Hearing none, we will close item number 9 and we'll move on to the approval, the December 11, 2007 minutes. Oh, moved. Second. Moved by Mr. Greenfield, seconded by Mrs. Winner, in any discussion. All in favor of the motion, signify by voting aye? Aye. Post and a passionate an we'll see. Will record sure that I was absent. Okay, let the record show that Mr. Rasmussen was absent. We will now recess our regular meeting and we'll go into our work session. We're just going to stay here in this room, Mr. Sisson. First item is a discussion of the ordinance authorizing the city of change, the due date for the first half real estate taxes from June 5th to June 28th, which would allow the city council to defer the annual budget adoption date by approximately three weeks. Staff report, please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for members of the council. The purpose of this work session is to discuss options which would allow the city to actually defer the adoption of the annual city budget by approximately three weeks. Currently the city is one of the first Northern Virginia jurisdictions to actually adopt their budget each year. And now that the Northern Virginia Transit Authority as in the city and other local jurisdictions have received the authority to actually increase or impose an additional real estate tax on commercial and industrial properties that become a greater concern that we actually adopt our budget before the local jurisdictions. We actually have two options that is the staff that researched that would help for allow the city to actually adopt their budget three weeks or so later than its current adoption date. On page four of the work session sheet, we have an outline of those two options and plus the issues that relate to those two options. The first option is delaying the due date of the first half of the real estate taxes. The second option is the changing from a calendar tax year to a fiscal tax year. Issues relating to delaying the due date of the first half real estate taxes are one, a loss of investment interest, and approximately $50,000 a year relating to the deferral. Number two, actually having about $130,000 in revenue deferred into the following year, which would actually reduce our fund balance by that amount. And three, confusion to the taxpayers even though the confusion would be, wouldn't be as big of a problem if we were actually requesting that the taxes we do at an earlier date. The second option, changing from a calendar year to a calendar tax year to a fiscal tax year, actually has much greater implication in that we would have an annual loss of six months of appreciation in real estate assessments, which would cost the city an average of about a million dollars a year in lost revenue. And of course, we'd have some additional confusion to the taxpayers. With that, I'd like to open this item up for discussion. Okay. Mr. Restman. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The issue on the changing from a calendar year to a fiscal tax year, the annual loss of real estate assessment appreciation, wouldn't you pick that up in the following year? Wouldn't it be just a one-time loss? Actually, and that's what you would think initially, but what does happen is each for a six-month period each year your assessment will be lower than what it would have been if we had kept the regular calendar year date. So in effect, if we had, on the average, if our assessments go up an average of 5% a year, we would each year have a reduction of 5% in our assessment rate, which would equate into for $20 million or over $20 million in assessments or I'm sorry, I don't say tax revenue would equate to about $1 million plus as we go through each year. So it's not a one time hit, it actually would affect us each year going forward. Spline? I don't understand exactly why that was big. If we, I still, you know, when we're thinking about the same amount of money and we're just postponing it for a year, why wouldn't we gain that? I guess you need to, I need a little bit more layman language. Sure. And it's not an easy concept to grasp but what does happen in effect if we do change to the to the fiscal year we actually each for the first half of each year we would actually have our assessments at at a rate or a dollar amount that's 5% less than what it would have been if we had stuck with the calendar year assessment. And because of that, each year we will be for six months, we will be 5% behind what assessments would have been if we had again stuck with the calendar year. And that truly does equate to assuming the same real estate tax rates that would equate to a million dollars plus in most revenues each year. Okay. I do get it now. Thank you. Wow. Other questions of staff? You know, I'll just also say I know you use the MBTA as sort of the biggest emphasis for considering this now, but the reality is this is something that's been discussed by the city for years because we're so heavily dependent on contracts, our school system, not the least of which, but certainly our human services and all kind of things with Fairfax County. I will not pretend to have absorbed all these various options, but it seems to me that it would be just as easy as just deferring the adoption of the budget, not changing fiscal years and all the sort of things by a couple of weeks and not take some of the more aggressive standards that am I missing something in that? Well, the problem is we base, we actually have to, each year when the budget is adopted, we have to allow enough time for our assessments and the tax real estate tax bills to be sent out. So we do have a time limit that is going to be based on the June 5th due date. And we don't have, and that's the reason that option one is actually pushing back that due date for the real estate taxes, because that allows us enough time to do the assessment, supply the tax rate, and get the bills out to the taxpayers on time, so they can pay their bill on time. And well, how much time do you need for that? Well, it's actually, probably, if I could have the treasure. I guess what I'm getting at is we now approve our budget when? First week of April or? First or second week of April. Right. So I guess the question is how far, we're usually, now Fairfax County, we may be farther in advance, but we're always the first, but not by a ton. Everybody's sort of doing it in and around that time frame. So I guess the question is how far could you push it and still have the time without changing any of the due dates or any of those sort of things? Is there any flexibility in that area? I'll defer to Mr. Meloney. As you know, Fairfax County has a later due date. Their due date actually isn't until July, which allows them to move their spare. Okay. I didn't know that. What you generally have is from June 50th, to back it down 30 days, we give everybody 30 days to pay. We get the bills out 30 days in advance. That leaves us about three weeks, three weeks to compile all of our data, send out our mortgage company tapes, et cetera. Could you shorten it without a major impact? Yes, but I'm under the impression that a week isn't what you're looking for. No, that probably, I would guess soon. That would be the case. I don't know what, how far in advance are we the adoption of Fairfax County? Fairfax County, right now, Fairfax County, it's typically about three weeks. We're in front of them by three weeks. Yes. So for example, last year we adopted on April 10th and they adopted on April 30th. And I think that's really the crux. Yes, we could squeeze a week. You might squeeze 10 days, but three weeks is significant. What you'd be doing is passing the budget on May 1st and we have to do our regular billing three days later and that's not handling all the mortgage company processing etc. And that's really where pushing the due date came from it. It's not saving a week. It's saving three or four. And there's just not that amount of time in the process in to cut out. So the only way to pick that up would be to delay it to June 28th is correct. Other comments, questions, thoughts, Ms. Lyne? Thanks. Let me go back to this then. So if you're talking about delaying it, it's about a $50,000. We'd lose about $50,000. And then I see another 130,000. So we're really talking about 180,000. Is that? Well, not really. We actually broke those. The 50,000 is an actual loss. OK. And that's simply if you take 20 million and you move it back a month, which is what we're doing, there's a puzzle, you lose that much interest, obviously. OK. The 130th root. And that's every year. That would be every year, because that's under really the, OK, all right. Well, the same idea of pushing and changing the calendar year to the physical tax year. This is kind of the same idea. A little more dramatic in the fact that you're actually not getting 20 million. Okay. If we have all of that collected by June through what we've done, but we have about 18 million collected by June 5th, we now would not have that collected until June 28th and that three weeks, three minutes is what generate your lost interest. And yes, that would be every year. The 130, again, is if you move the dates back, what you're pressing up against is the end of the fiscal year, which is June 30th. Now I have at least 25 days to collect taxes from people who don't pay right on time. At the 28th, I don't have that time. So you're now pushing the revenue I would have collected from the 5th to the 30th you've pushed it into July. That's a different fiscal year. I think that's what David was referring to is you're really pushing money to another fiscal year. But that we would recoup. That 130,000 we recoup and we wouldn't that would not be something that we would be losing every year. Well again You're faced with the same situation every year right So it actually answers yes, you would be deferring that every year to another fiscal year Isn't that but we wouldn't but it wouldn't be a loss To us it would be we still get it the next year you still get the money But again accounting wise you get it in a year. You still get the money, but again, accounting-wise, you get it in a different- Wherever I get it. Okay. Okay. So when you look at your budget, you're planning for this money, well, some of it you get now in this budget, you won't get, because it's going to be quite the next year. Miss Winter? Thank you, Miss Fair. So what it appears to me is if we should say status quo. If the wheels not broken, don't fix it. So just kind of things. My understanding was the question came from council as to how we could actually accommodate getting you back to a closer time. But it doesn't look as if we're working off of a level playing field here. Really? If you do that, it's going to cost money. And at this point, I think it would be judicious to leave it as is because it has been working. Granted, it would be nice to have some jurisdictions before us. But from this report, it doesn't appear to me as if that would be a wise thing. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll let me get this so with that and that I'll come back. Mr. Sovther. I guess I'm struggling a bit as others have in terms of just trying to figure out the accounting methodology here. Because, and I understand it, I mean, I understand in concept what you're saying and what Mr. Sisson and Mr. Hodgkins have said. I think what what confuses me a bit is all of this is subject to, and I think someone even said it, the tax rate being flat, and we've lowered tax rates, we've raised tax rates, we've, you know, over the last 10 years. And these numbers, and also assessments being flat. I'm assuming in terms of whether or not there's real revenue loss. And what happens if assessments are, you know, we may choose, you know, if assessments start going up and we choose to take this step and we leave the tax rate flat, I mean, the revenue stream, am I right? You're looking at me puzzling. But I mean, the revenue stream, am I right? You're looking at me puzzling. But I mean, let me separate it here. Please. Please. On the first issue of moving the due date back, that's a loss, and that loss is not dependent on assessments. It's purely a theory of you collect 20 million on June 50th, you collect 20 million on June 28th. You put 20 million on assessments and what the tax rate is on the various assess value of our property. But it's really based on collection of money. And money is usually around 20 million. I'll get to the other part. I'll get to the assess department in a second. But that's the first issue, really, is the loss of revenue from failing to collect and getting interest on dollars. And that's really not dependent on assessments, depending on assessments, whether it's 20 million or 21 million, but you're still going to lose the interest on it for that three weeks. The deferring of the revenue onto the same moving to do data, deferring of the revenue is still there no matter what the assess value is because you're collecting so late in the year or your due date is so late in the fiscal year, there's really no time until you go into the next fiscal year. So those are both real, that's going to happen no matter what the assessment is. Now that second issue, which I think is more of what you're getting to, is changing the calendar year to a calendar year to a fiscal year. And that really is dependent on assessments. Obviously if the assessments are going down, you're not going to be losing money. Historically, they have gone up and we projected 5%. That's wishful thinking. Well, in the past though, that's... In the past, sure. But in the future, and you don't know if it goes down, that's one thing. But generally, if it creeps up, that's really where the loss is coming because right now, that assessment affects June of this fiscal year. In the future that June really pushes out a year and a half and that's where this loss is coming from. But if it's a stable, if you actually consider it's a stable assessment, obviously there's no loss because it's not going up. If it's going down that's a different story too. We're projecting, I think fairly so, that there is a rise in assessments. You may adjust for that on your tax rates, but generally there's a rise in assessments. Like I said, I mean, I think that, I mean, we'll debate that obviously in the spring, but I don't think it'll happen this year. I don't think it will happen for the next three or four years. It may not. It may not. Okay. And that is true. If it's going down, that effect is mitigated. Well, you know, Mayor, I don't know if you're looking, I mean, I'm sure you're looking for guidance tonight, but as Mr. Winter said, I mean, as much as I'd like to figure out a way that we could resolve our challenge here with budget adoption and the like, I just, I think that there's a real price to pay here that may not be worth it. That's the rub. On the flip side, of course, as we know, with the county adoption and their budget, we often see that we could have made further adjustments in our own tax rates and so forth to offset. And we've seen our fund balance grow in large part. And in many respects, in large part to the fact of the county actions that were taken subsequent to our budget adoption, in which we had no control then to go back and fix the problem or the challenge. Much to the city managers to like. Thank you. I just have another question here. When we're looking at changing it due to the county, you know, looking at the county's contracts and things with the school board that they have with us, and you know, human services and things, how much money do we lose when we, if we haven't done that negotiation on those other contracts? Do we lose it or does it get changed? Because we've put in a supposed number when we're doing our budget from the county. Is that right? I'm going to fur that the day before. Do you? Well, what we do, and this is not just the county, but there are other revenues and expenses where you do have to make an estimate based on the most recent information. So for example, the county will give us an estimate of what their contracts are going to be. Now that can go up and down and has gone up and down in years. There's some years after the year was over. Actually the cost was higher or the cost could be lower. Now quite honestly with the tuition contract, for example, there has been times, you know, there is a reconciliation where all the county contracts that year in, because they don't know exactly what they're going to charge us at any time until the very, until literally five months after the year is over, but they will make decisions on the county contract, things that will affect the cost of the contract to us, you know, by the time that they adopt their budget and sometimes we don't have that information, but it can affect us either way. Okay, and I think that's what was driving this when we first started this process over the years was, there were times that we ended up paying more money out and if we had that information, we would have been working with a more of a level of playing ground. And my question is, we're looking at the 50,000 and 130,000. Can we recoup that or do we make that back up after we, if we would know what the county would be doing since we're in partnership with them on some of these issues. Do you see what I'm saying? The other thing you're saying is actually the benefit of pushing back our budget will that actually offset the negative effect of 130,000. Perfectly said, thanks. Of the deferral. That is hard to say we actually, because again it's what we're working with our estimates. Now the 130,000, that will be a deferral. Again, that's money that's not lost. It's just going to show which relatively speaking, that's not the most important number because that just means our fund balance would be about a hundred thousand dollars lower than it would normally be but we will collect it the next month we will collect it the next month but it just in looking at our fun balance it's just going to be a slightly smaller number than what it normally would be with the county contract what happens is eventually you come up with an actual number with the county contract. A real number. So regardless of what we budget for, that number is going to be what it is. And that won't have, so there will not be an offsetting effect. But we're voting on a budget here that then isn't real until after we get those numbers in from the county. Am I, am I understanding that? Well, to a degree, it's not really, let's say, real until after the year is over when they know exactly what the, our contract is not for a fixed dollar amount. It is for services and they estimate how much the services are going to cost. So regardless of which system we use, or if we stay where we are, it would not have an impact on the bottom line when the year is over. Okay. Well, okay. I think I'm going to buy that. The only, and if I can't figure it out quickly, I'll just drop it, but I don't get the, we lose $50,000 basically in interest the first year, but then every year after. I understand the first year by the three weeks, it's sliding by three weeks. But it seems to me the only interest you'd be losing is in the years where there's an increase in the tax rate, because the money's going to be there. It's going to catch back up in the next 12 months or the next 12 months. And the only real interest you'd lose is the three weeks on the tax rate from the previous year to what would hopefully be an increase in the tax rate from the following year to follow the dollar map. I know I must be missing something because it's not how you're explaining it, but it's losing me on how you lose $50,000 in interest every year thereafter the first year. Well, basically, if you look at collecting the $20 million, and you actually collected over time, but if you look at it on one day, June 5th, no matter what the tax rate is, you're looking at about $20 million in real estate revenue. That may be $21, one year, maybe 19. Every year. But 20 million revenue that you're moving back to June 28th. Basically, that's the three weeks. So I don't have a 20 million to invest until June 28th. And that happens every year. Now, some years it may not be 50,000, some years it may be 49 or 51, but it's not dependent on the assessments. It's dependent on collection. You assess the tax. I've got to collect 20 million. Every year, my collection is going to be moved back the three weeks every year. But it's not three additional weeks every year. It's three weeks, the same first year. But it's the same three weeks every year. So again, if this year I'm collecting on June 5th, I've got X number. I can invest 20 million for three weeks. Next June 5th, I'm less 20 million, because due date's gonna stay the same. So I'm less the investment interest again. So every year that hits an effect because you've moved it back every year, three weeks. I hear. I can't absorb it. It doesn't make sense to me, but I'll assume for the discussion that's factual and then I'll have to work through it in my head. Wow. Okay. Well, what's the direction of counsel? I certainly read it. Leave it the way it is. Regurgently. Yeah. read it is. Leave it the way it is. Regurgently I agree. Yeah, we're grudgingly. Leave it the way it is. Okay. Thank you for this. We are going to move on to the next item which is B, discussion of the city's emergency management plan. Good evening, Mayor of members of Council, Happy New Year. My first time before you in the New Year. So I have Chief Wilson and Ken Riddnicki, our emergency management specialist with us, and our purpose here tonight is to give the council an update on where we are in our continuing emergency management planning process and to share the accomplishments that we've made particularly with Ken's appointment and a lot of the work that he's done to really give the council a status on the various pieces of work, particularly related to some of the changes to things like our sheltering procedures and things that we've been working through with the update of our plan. There is a packet that should be at your seat that has both a copy of the PowerPoint presentation that we're going to walk you through as well as a copy of a draft emergency management ordinance so that we can formally codify this function, and that will be coming to the council after this presentation at a future meeting for consideration. And there's also, should be a pamphlet in there that is a guide for elected officials to emergency management, and that's hopefully some useful information. That's something that Kent had created specifically tailored to our process in the city so that our elected officials can understand a little clarity of their role in responsibilities in this process and dealing with emergency response. We want to begin by reviewing a list of accomplishments. They begin with compliance with the National Incident Management System. This is a nationwide directive by the President to move our entire country to a uniform system of managing incidents with the expectation that all local governments must comply in order to maintain eligibility for federal funding. We are certainly in compliance to date and continuing to move to the next level of compliance and we'll talk about each of these in a little more detail going forward. We're also going to talk about the work that's been done with the emergency management ordinance that I mentioned. Give you a quick update on a specific response plan related to pandemic flu. Talk about our involvement in the Metropolitan Medical Response System for the Northern Virginia region. Our comprehensive emergency management plan, which in its final draft stage and currently undergoing department level review before coming to council for your consideration in action, as well as some information on our new emergency operation center that is in the new police services building. Our sheltering program, commodity distribution points for the city, community emergency response team that we now have in place as well as some updated information on our emergency information radio station. As I mentioned the national incident management system is a requirement by presidential directive. There are seven measured areas of local compliance and a very specific timeline by which local governments must be in compliance. And as I mentioned, the failure to meet those resolved in a loss of eligibility for federal money. We have a chart here that really talks about those metrics. It is pretty extensive in terms of what our city government has had to go through. The adoption of the National Incident Management System, which Council did at a previous meeting a year or so ago, and the building of that into our city emergency management plan, there's a variety of requirements for command and management of incidents, preparedness planning, training, and exercises. The tier one requirements are those that we must have completed by the fall of 2007. And you can see there overall we are 100% compliance with the 2007 requirements. And then if you look at the right column under the tier two requirements, we are well on our way to being fully compliant for those future requirements that come into play in the next couple of years. There are two areas where we are still working. One is training and you can imagine with the number of city staff personnel, and this is literally training that touches every member of the city staff, as well as making sure we have a system of ongoing training when new employees are coming into the city government. They must also come into compliance with these training on the national incident management system. Also, your level of involvement in the process, versus a frontline employee employee as it relates to a supervisor that could be connected. There's additional training for supervisory personnel, all of which in some cases is several days worth of pretty intense classroom requirements. And we are about 50 percent complete in terms of the future requirements that we are working in the right direction. The other area that we're still working is resource management and the reason we are currently not fully compliant here is because that's being tackled on a regional basis with some consulting folks being funded with some federal monies through the Northern Virginia Regional Commission and Council of Governments. That where we're going to do our resource typing and the shared assets because we do so many things in emergency response on a regional basis. Next is the proposed ordinance. This will add a new chapter 33 to the city code specifically dealing with emergency management and staffs work very closely with the city attorney To make sure that our ordinance is in line with the enabling body of legislation of the Commonwealth This ordinance will formally establish an office of emergency management To find those responsibilities It'll set out in very clear terms how we go through the process of declaring the state of emergency in the city And the role and responsibility of mayor council city manager in that process And it also clarifies a number of points of city liability during a disaster That document again should be forwarded and coming to council to begin the process of adoption here shortly forwarded in coming to council to begin the process of adoption here shortly. One of the most significant bodies of work that we have been engaged in over the last 18 months has been preparing our city better for the potential flu pandemic. This has worked that has been primarily done by Captain John Aaron's in the Fire Department. He has really worked this plan to the national model and not only working internally within our city but certainly a lot of supporting private sector businesses as well as other public sector agencies that we have to work with for these kinds of events particularly public health department. The highlights of this work really is that that plan currently identifies primary and supporting services. What we're trying to do is answer the question that if our city government were adversely impacted because of widespread flu. How would we maintain the continuity of government services? And the beginning of that really is to say, what in fact are the actual essential services that we must maintain and what services can actually be held in a day and so that we can repul our city workforce to maintain the essential needs? So those services have been identified. What is primary? What is supporting? There's also succession of power that's been pre-determined. From mayor and council, right down through city management, every department head, so that every agency now has its pre-determined hierarchy that if there is widespread flu and we have a number of key people who are out because of the illness, who will move into those positions of authority to maintain the continuity of government operations. Priority of services, identification even within the departments of three deep, was the requirement to maintain critical functions from a staffing perspective as it relates to the expertise that staff members must maintain. List of employees, citywide, who have cross-training or experience in other departments where they could actually be moved out of one agency that may be providing non-essential services and into an agency where there are critical tasks it must be maintained and that inventory has been taken. Legal staffing limitations have also been identified, functions where there are critical and required technical certifications such as a water plant operate. We just can't send anybody in there to do that function because of some legal requirements there. So this planning process has really been pretty exhaustive. It also takes in our human resource policies as it relates to things like workers' compensation for exposure of our law enforcement or fire and rescue folks who may contract an illness because of their work. How will we handle things such as the opportunity for telecommuting of our workforce. And if someone has a sick child, they must stay at home. Can they still be connected back to the city through our technology and actually continue their work from home? So there's been a lot of work in that regard as well. Supply chain issues have been identified. A fuel contingency plan is actually a component of our pandemic response plan. And we have created a variety of memorandums of understanding with Fairfax County, our circuit courts and a county health department and the county schools relative to this particular issue. Next is our participation in the Metropolitan Medical Response System. This is a regional response system for all of Northern Virginia. It is a response plan that is structured to provide care for 1,000 people who may have been contaminated by a chemical release or 10,000 individuals that have been infected by a biological agent. This plan coordinates fire EMS public health law enforcement and hospitals and that planning body consists of all those stakeholders and as well as equipment and pharmaceutical caches that now exist in every major jurisdiction in northern Virginia they are in place and ready to be dispensed in response to this kind of event. In the case of the city, our plan was developed as a joint plan with Fairfax County. Our city comprehensive emergency management plan, as I mentioned, is nearing completion. We've been through a couple of drafts, and it is now hopefully in its final review stages at the department level, and we'll begin working its way hopefully in the spring to council for your final review stages at the department level and will begin working its way hopefully in the spring to council for your final review and action. This establishes the framework which is basically an all hazards document. It's really not built around any specific type of emergency. It deals with it in general terms and really sets out what the city's overall response capability is and how command and control will be applied to all city assets to meet the needs of a community for any type of an event. It in fact incorporates the national incident management system that we've been training to. Uses the incident command system for actual field command and control of an event and it integrates the emergency support function or ESF concept that is now used by federal and state agencies. So it brings our city plan in line with the structure of both our state and federal assets that we would work in conjunction with. A three basic components, first is the basic plan, then the emergency support function annexes, and then the hazard specific annexes. And you really don't ever ultimately get away from hazard specific events. One of the best examples is that there will be a standalone annex related to terrorism. And that is because of how intertwined that particular type of an event is with those state and federal agencies. Just a couple of quick charts. I'm not going to go into a lot of detail here but this is just the breakdown of the ESF function so that you can see how they are laid out by the functional areas. The middle column talks about, again, at the city level, what city agency has the lead for that particular emergency support function. So if you just look at the first line, public works is the lead city agency when dealing with the emergency support function for transportation. And public works would be supported by both the school board and parts and recreation in carrying out the transportation functions. Our city plan will incorporate a total of 18 emergency support functions in it. Next is to bring you up to date on our new emergency operation center. Again, this is the facility that serves as the central coordination point during disasters. It provides that single point of policy guidance and direction. It is where the city manager and the senior command staff of the city agencies all the department has the ESF Representatives would gather in the event of a significant event To really bring forth the strategy of how the city will cope Not only respond to but recover from a disaster should want to curb This is a facility through which we also coordinate all of our outside support and provide the single point of release of information through the media. Our new facility and I know many of you here were on council when Hurricane Isabel came through and spent a little time with us in the police chief's conference room all huddled around that one table where you can in fact see how difficult it was to manage a lot of information and our new police services building has some dedicated space for us and the photograph here that is in the PowerPoint presentation just shows you the example that that facility set up and ready for operations and how much more functional it is going to be for us. And certainly the support of our citizens and approving the bond and council support in the design for that is going to go a long way to helping us better cope with those kinds of events should they occur. There's a template here in the next slide that just kind of gives you the layout. You saw the photograph, but this is really what you saw in the picture. And that is dedicated spaces for the command staff and then working group tables for each of the ESF functions that we've outlined in our new plan. Preparation-wise, the emergency operation center is typically always ready to go and there are three levels, constant state of level three when nothing's going on. It's basically a monitoring function as we get into a situation where we could anticipate a significant event such as the forecast for a hurricane approaching the emergency operation center then stands itself up to a level two of operation, which is where there would be a skeleton staff. All of the appropriate notifications would be made. And then as an event begins to unfold, we would go to a level one, which is a full activation with all the ESF functions being represented to work in the center. I've also spent a lot of time doing work on shelters. And now within our plan we will have four different kinds of shelters identified a protective shelter, which is the one that we're most familiar with, where we would have to ask citizens to leave their homes and move into an area of refuge, a pet shelter, which is some of the lessons that we really learned out of Hurricane Katrina, is how important it is to make sure that we have the ability to accommodate the family pet. In fact, there were many examples where people actually refused to move themselves out of harm's way because their pet could not be provided for. And so it is critically important in our new sheltering plan. We now have plans and preparations in order to handle and accommodate pets within the sheltering structure for protection as well. Sheltering needs for special needs people as well as a host shelter where a lot of the plans that are unfolding now, particularly out of the tidewater area when it comes to the threat of that major population center, is that they are really going to disperse their population to other parts of the state. And so the state is really looking for every community to be somewhat prepared to receive evacuees from another area and actually host them for a period of time. And so we continue to work through the planning process on how we are going to be able to participate. Should the city be asked to serve as a host sheltering site. We've moved in a direction to identify Paul the sixth as our primary shelter. And I know we've often talked about Fairfax High School being our primary shelter. And as we've continued to look at the opportunities that are available to us, Paul VI really begins to emerge because of its better proximity to a lot of support services that we will need. There's a grocery store right across the street. There is a drug store right down the street. There is a pet store right across the street where as we begin to create relationships with some of these commercial vendors to support us where we can have MOUs with pet cup so that if we have to stand up a pet shelter we can immediately go in, get all the cages and pet food and the kinds of things that we're going to need to have that function without the city having to have purchased it in advance and warehouse in some place with our fingers crossed in the event that we would have to stand up and accommodate pets just as one example. There's also great traffic flow with the road arteries coming in and out and as I get to it a minute we talk about a distribution point. The relationship that we've been able to create there will very easily accommodate a major distribution point for ICE and tarps and drinking water and the kinds of things that should we lose parts of our infrastructure, we are going to need to be able to stand up and provide those kinds of basic need services to our community. services to our community. Mr. Mayor. I have a question about that. I actually have a question about a lot, but should we get what's your recommendation? Do you want to take questions as we go through it or do you want to wait till the end of the day? I had just a few more slides. Why don't we let him get through it? It might be quicker if I finish it and then we'll take your questions. Okay. The next slide just is an illustration of the pet shelter itself that we've mentioned and how the facility at Paul VI has this isolated wing and a immediate enclosed yard right behind so that people in the shelter who have a pet with them can actually take care of their own pet. They can come over to the other wing, they can feed in water, they can take their dog or cat out for exercise. And it really takes a burden off of the sheltering staff when we have to move into that kind of functional facility. Currently we continue to evaluate locations for special needs facilities, and on the host shelter side we are in conversation with a number of the churches here in the city to see how they might be able to participate and use their facilities because that type of host sheltering is usually fairly short term. I mentioned the point of distribution. Again, this is where we go through a significant event and either the state or the federal government sends assets in such as tractor trailers of meals ready to eat, drinking water, ice, those kinds of things. There is a very formal process by which you set up to be able to distribute that to the public. Again through an agreement, the ability to use the rear area of Paul VI where we can set up a circular traffic pattern where people would be directed to come in off of Oak Street, move through the back of the school, and go to the next slide there, Andrew. This is really a diagram of how distribution point is established, where you can see these automobiles, it would simply become a drive-through type of operation, where they could come in in this circular traffic pattern, pick up the materials that they need, go around the end of Paul VI high school, back out on the Fairfax Boulevard, and be able to depart in either direction depending on where they're heading from there. This is a type 2 distribution point that we're talking about, which has the ability to serve 10,000 people a day or 280 vehicles per hour when configured in this manner. Next is our new community emergency response team. We've been able to get some federal funding as far as grants and some state assistance as well as local contributions to stand up a community emergency response team. This is a federally recognized program where you essentially are trying to answer the following question. If the level of event that is impacting the community is so significant that the normal emergency response assets are overtaxed, what system can we have in place to better prepare neighbors to help neighbors? And that's probably the simplest description of the community emergency response team that I can give you. But it is a very formal training program. We currently have 12 citizens that are trained as certain members. I'm sorry 19 people have been trained and we have a new class of 12 that is scheduled to begin in March of 08 and that's certainly something that if the citizens of our city are interested in getting involved in they can contact the fire department and make an inquiry and we'll be glad to talk to them about getting involved in that. And the last item of our brief is the emergency radio system, which is operational, continue to use it for routine non-emergency community information, and is capable of both pre-recorded, as well as live messages broadcasting on 16.50 a.m. on a 24 hour day basis. We'll be glad to take questions, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Live. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. A couple of things is I can sign surprised with four new schools in the City of Fairfax. That's just going to be my first response here, is that we would go to Paul VI, because I'm concerned about how many people that would accommodate. And I appreciate your time about grocery stores and pet stores and all of those things. But I think of Daniel's run elementary school, which is like a block and a half from Safeway, a grocery store type of idea. And I just, we're not that big of a city, which is only six square miles. So I wonder if politics would accommodate all those and we have four beautiful schools that I would think that we would wanna use. Yeah, and our plan doesn't mean that you couldn't. Fairfax High School does not leave our list of potential shelters. What we're saying is the primary relationship, the first shelter that we would open, our plan now calls us to go to Paul VI for a lot of these kinds of reasons that I've mentioned. The other thing about sheltering is you tend to do it on a regional basis. So our shelter would not only be a shelter for city residents but the potential of Fairfax County to send nearby folks into the city shelter and vice versa folks who may be closer to the the eastern part of the city should the county open a shelter up that's nearer to theirs than the one in the city they would be referred out again to the closest shelter typically. The other thing is Fairfax High School is also a part of a state plan for as a distribution point for vaccinations. There is a federal response plan for pharmaceuticals that gets broken down, brought into an area for regional distribution of vaccines for a variety of different types of exposures should they be necessary smallpox being an example. And the state plan calls for the use of Fairfax High School. That plan has been well established for a long period of I guess the last almost three years now. And one of our concerns in going through this is, are we putting all of our eggs in one facility? What happens if we have to shelter and then use Fairfax High School for one of these other purposes as well, or would we better off trying to put a little diversity in that plan? Again, it doesn't mean that any of the schools for any given specific reason could not be used. It's simply for our planning purposes, what we've gone through to identify a convenient shelter that is very close to some of these supporting assets. So, okay, I guess I need to understand this a little better. So, I appreciate the call to six would be, you know, a place for a shelter or for, you know, maybe that would be where families and animals go. I don't know but as when you talk about the city plan I guess this is where I guess I have my issues I'm thinking about a city plan and if I'm going to tell folks oh you're going to go to fall the sixth maybe it may not be for effects high school but Daniel's run for that area of town and possibly linear for another area of town and you have then you have providence. So I guess I'm a little surprised at Paul VI because I'm not sure most people would think quickly that it would be Paul VI that we would go to. And I don't know how many people would accommodate. I guess I didn't hear that in the in your I got to tell you, fabulous, well put together report. I just, I guess I need to understand how many people would hold. Yeah, well there, can I have an actual number? No, I don't. If I could say, what, one of the reasons we're continuing to expand our shelter capability as, as we move along, one of the reasons why we hesitated on our schools is because they were going under going renovation. And so it's hard to see we wanted to wait until that got completed so we could see what capabilities they actually had at the end of it. Paul, the six was available to us. We wanted to designate that first the gate because it was ready. So that's why we couldn't win that. I see. I see. Okay. But now that we've continued to look at buildings throughout the city. So this is really a changing document. I mean, I have to tell you it's well put together, but it is a changing document. Is that? Yes. That's correct. So like six months from now, then you might come back to me and tell me now that it would be Daniel's run and Paul the Sixth and. Yes, it is. Linear Providence. I guess that's my concern is if something happened today and right now this moment, where would we go? Would we go to politics? Then we go and I understand the flu shot and those smallpox shots and all those shots would be a fear of high school. I understand that and that word needs to get out. But I don't think that I would think right off the top of my head go to Paul VI. I would be thinking to maybe go to Daniel's run or to more of a public facility. Fair? Well, right. I would be thinking that. So, and our schools are now done are just about, except for linear. So, I have real concerns about that. And I love that pets Mars across the street and super-h is over there. I just don't know if that's somewhere that the city residents would think to go to right away. And then there's another whole group of folks that I think about over by Ted Rich and over that way. So I guess I'm thinking more in when little precincts, let's say, of the city of where those people would know to go. And I guess that would be what my concern is with this proposal now. And in our plan, we won't list any shelters specifically. Because when we tell people to go to St. Petersburg, you can just introduce yourself. Yes, Ken Ragnicki, and I'm the emergency manager. And welcome. Thank you. The reason why we don't list them in the plan or pre-designate them, like what we did in the Cold War days where we had fallout shelters, is because it's going to be dependent upon the situation that we're faced with. It may be a small, isolated incident, and we don't need to open a large facility. So in that case, we may send them, like I understand they're in Israel, we send people to the fire station. I guess I'm thinking in terms of a systems approach. And you do this for a living, I doubt, but I've been looking into this a little bit on the side with my job. And my concern is, is folks normally need to have an emergency plan. And you've done a good job of letting people know they need to do that with our little cards. We've had sent out. People need to be reminded to do that, I think, quite often, like every six months, send those things out. But if it would be nice, I think, to know that this neighborhood would go here and we have this much water and we have this, you know, this is what's going to come to this area. I guess I'm more of thinking of more of a system having something set, maybe not like a follow-up shelter, but still something that, because each situation may be different, but I think that we could accommodate most of the situations in each of these public facilities. Am I? Am I? Yeah, and you, we really don't do sheltering in that manner, Ms. Lyon, people get directed to shelters. What, what you really have to try to avoid in a situation are people self-dispatching themselves, where I heard about something on the radio so I took my family got up and I went to my near school. Well I'm afraid that could happen that's why I'm well but that's the point is it once our plan is developed then part of public education is to make sure folks understand how sheltering works. You get you get directed to a shelter based on what the situation is. If folks say I live in this particular neighborhood, therefore I go to this particular facility, that facility may be where the problem is. I see. Okay. And so you really can't pre-plan to that extent. What you have to do is allow your emergency response officials to look at the circumstances and say, Okay, we need to evacuate this particular geographic area and we want these people to go to this specific location Because what happens on the front end of that is we have to stand that facility up and staff it and be ready to receive those folks facility up and staff it and be ready to receive those folks when they come in. And so it's things like moving cuts and blankets and what they call comfort kids. We do our sheltering in conjunction with the American Red Cross. They have to be contacted and their staffs activated to come in and they actually manage the shelters for us. Food services. So kitchen staff for this whatever school facility has to be contacted and brought in, janitorial staff has to be contacted and brought in. So, you know, the idea that we would have folks in the city just scattering to every school would be actually creating more problems than we would solve. Okay, I'm not suggesting that, except that you already have planned like Paul the Sixes of Plan Spot. And so, I guess I don't understand why we wouldn't pick another one of our public locations as a plan spot. You know, thank you to Paul the Six for offering that and doing it and maybe we need to keep them. But I guess I don't understand why we wouldn't be using one of our other public facilities of our schools or city hall or you know I guess that's more where because this is a private facility and it is church related and I just wonder why we're not doing that. Well again any facility that might accommodate folks can be used. Okay. What we're trying to do from a planning standpoint is do the best that we can on the logistical side of this so that we can open up in a short period of time and muster our staff into what is a central location that can accommodate a lot of cars for parking that come in, have adequate food service, they have a generator for emergency power. So again, if we're losing infrastructure, something has to have a emergency power back up for the facility to be able to operate as a shelter. There's a lot of pieces that is puzzled that get plugged in. I'm where we are. This is I'm deep in. I know I'm dead horse, but I know This is just a work session, though. I think the final document's going to come back. Right. And so, I assume you're taking notes and listening to the feedback and input. And Mrs. Lyon brings up excellent points that you all work through the system. And then we'll come back with a final report tell us. We'll have to be based on the feedback. And it's a nice job. I mean, I'm happy to finally have a document that I can go through and go, you know, kind of pick out a little bit. So, you know, I know that we're getting somewhere. So I appreciate. That's why we're here. I know. I appreciate that you've done that. But I maybe we'll have to talk a little offline on it. Okay. You glad to. Thank you. Mr. Syruthan. Thank you, Your Honor. Let me, and I agree that Miss Lyon has made some very important points that probably bear repeating. I will just say that, you know, as I think about where we sit, I mean, the challenge we have as local elected officials is that the rubber meets the road with us in terms of the citizens. They're going to be upset with us if they don't feel like there's a plan in place in case of a sort of disaster or catastrophe, God forbid, that something like that would occur. And that's why I think several of us up here have been pressuring you for some answers on this, whether it be the most likely example would be a hurricane, where I can just give you my own neighborhood as an example, where some of my colleagues live, where we didn't have electricity for three days. God forbid, our water system goes down, and we don't have water for a week. And granted, we might be able to tap into Fairfax County, but if there's some sort of issue that happens in both jurisdictions at the same time, and without water, where do people go? Where do they go for showers? Where do they go for showers? Where do they go for food? Where do they go? They can't even boil water if the system actually is ruptured in some way, the piping. I just feel like, and this is sort of getting out, I think what Mrs. Lyon is getting out, this is a great plan from an administrative standpoint for succession plan should, should the mayor be incapacitated, et cetera. In any emergency? In an emergency, right, unless one of us take you on. And my point is, though, and I think this is where Mrs. Lyon was heading with this, if I can be as bold as to suggest it, is what are the citizens, what is their action plan? We have an action plan for a city, but I still don't feel like, and that's been the whole focus that I've been trying to drill home, is where do they go, what do they do, how do they respond, what sort of actions do they take should God forbid something happen with any of those examples, whether it be pandemic, whether it be dirty bomb, whether it be, you know, and I just feel like we still aren't really, we haven't honed that enough in terms of an action plan for our residents, in terms of what they need to do. And Mrs. Lion used the example of, I don't know, remember if it was a voter card or what you were using the example of, but this is where you, you know, people know that this is what they do if X, Y, and Z happens. And maybe we don't have an actual shelter yet because that might be where the problem is emanating from. But they know no matter what, they turn to city screen 12. If the power is out, they use radio to turn to 1680 or whatever the station is. And then they get direction from there. But I don't feel like there's sort of that action step by step that action plan in place yet. And I just feel like after six, seven years now, after 9-11, after three or four years after Isabelle, I just don't feel like we as a city have coached, if that's the right term, our residents with what to do in those circumstances. And while you all may have a great plan plan and you all may be taking care of city operations and ourselves What are residents do when they find themselves without power without water without food without and and I still feel like There isn't an easy answer here and the answers that you've laid out at least in partial Form tonight are still not satisfactory to my own, you know, from my own perspective, because I think that that residents really, you know, feel exasperated under those circumstances and will feel exasperated, we've seen example throughout the country when disasters take place. And while we're not as prone to those kind of disasters, thank God, I do think that we will find ourselves, you know, from time to time in a situation where we have a problem, hopefully not of the magnitude that we've seen elsewhere, but a problem and people don't know how to react. And that's what I'm looking for. I mean, I've seen, and I think I use this example, I think I've seen target as an example of a store, a large big box retail store that has put out action plans for residents and what to stock up on and how to react, should something happen, who to call, emergency officials and so forth. And I still haven't seen that kind of plan for our community. And that's what I'm looking for. And I don't know if that's your job, but the bottom line is they're gonna hold us accountable. And you all need to respond to, I think, what we're responding to as well, to meet those kind of expectations. And I just don't see it yet. Well, let me be very clear, Miss Silver, it is my job. So if there's any doubt of who your city staff person is, you're looking at him. I hear you loud and clear, I share your concern. I think the process that we have been working is to get the city's global emergency response plan for our community framed out. And then that moves down into the neighborhoods through aggressive public outreach and documents that we can distribute. One of the things that Ken has done is through the city's website. We now have a dedicated page for emergency management and there are a lot of the kinds of resources that you're speaking of, actually listed on there, links to other websites, emergency planning, templates and things that our residents can in fact go to have access and download for their own personal use. There are inventories of how much drinking water should you stock and have on hand at your home for your family and those kinds of things are there. Now, have we been out in the neighborhoods aggressively pushing that to the degree that we should? No. And that is work that is still yet to be done. But it's really our view that this is part of a total framework that we're trying to get to with our new plans established that we can then take those down to our citizens. And do it in a lot of forms, whether it's a pocket card, I know the mayor has mentioned that previously as you did that we can send out, which puts in the hand of our citizens specific phone number information and things to the city. And that, in fact, is work yet to be done. We hear you. And understand it. And absolutely, I'm your guy. Well, Chief, you've given me some comfort, and I'll just tell you that I feel like, you know, that I just worry that time has been elapsing here for over the course of several years, even. And it's not that to say that you guys aren't working on this. It's just that there's a feeling that I have when you look back, it's hard to believe 9-11 was so long ago, when you really think about it. And, you know, let's hope we don't ever have that kind of occurrence locally or even in the region, the larger region. But again, but I will tell you that, you know, whether it's the website you're referring to. I just think about our seniors, many of whom are very computer-literate. Many others have never get on the internet in their lives and never have. So we need to make sure that we have multiple channels that we're reaching out to people. And that's all I'm saying. I understand. But it sounds like we're on the same wavelength and I'm sorry if I preemptive you a bit. No, no, no, be a multi-step process. That's not at all. I just feel like we have many more steps to take before, before our residents and before the council feels comfortable that we're in the right place. Absolutely. Great. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Chief, just two things to stand on. I mean, I'll try this whole dialogue and discussion, we decided we needed a higher dedicated staff and tried to frame a lot of the issues. The biggest one, if I recall right, was the concern that we not get wrapped up in a regional solution as an independent city. And when there's vaccines that need to be given out, we're not telling people who are drive-doked in high school, we're telling them drive to Fairfax High School or Paul VI or whatever. And to be honest with you, and it may be in here, I didn't see any, I heard shelters and I heard pets, but I didn't hear that our community's not going to get lost in a regional solution when we're talking about going to get vaccinations and things to the flu and other things that was really the focus of vaccinations and things to the flu and other things that was really the focus of at least our initial discussion. Is that in here somewhere and do we have that assurance now that we're going to why we are going to be part of a regional solution? We're going to act as a city and do the things that we would normally do as a city? Yeah. And again, the issue is becomes very complicated when you look at the funding streams to provide these kinds of resources. This is pretty much all federal dollars that is passing to the National Capital Region through COG. And the only way you get a piece of the action is to do it on a regional basis. And so the Metropolitan Medical Response System that I mentioned, where that is a response plan that has been funded for each of the major jurisdictions. So there was funding provided to Arlington, Alexandria, Fairfax County, Loudon, and Prince William County. The federal government edict for that money said, for those big jurisdictions, you must take into your process your cities and towns. And so even though within the Commonwealth, we are an independent city with our own jurisdictional autonomy to the federal government We are a small piece of geography in the middle of a larger land area governed by in this case Fairfax County and so we don't have a lot of voice in being able to do something ourselves in that regard unless we then move forward and fund it ourselves and bring a pharmaceutical stockpile and all of the associated medical equipment for administration of vaccines, it is a variety of vaccines in this cash. They all expire, so it's not a one-time purchase that you didn't put in a warehouse. These things have to be cycled through and there's a whole system that's been created in this plan to use the hospitals so that vaccine that we have for emergency response that is coming up for expiration goes to the hospitals where it's going to be used more frequently and then the hospital purchases back and puts it back in stock. So it's a whole cycle being planned on how to do that. But that's the kind of thing that we do get caught up in just because of the federal dollars and how they flow. But we're an equal player at the table. Ms. Bohan and I both serve on the Metropolitan Medical Response System Steering Committee and have from day one. hearing committee and have from day one. So, you know, it's not that we're sitting out here waiting for others to tell us what we're going to do in the city. We are a voice at the table helping to influence this process. So I actually feel good about the regional system just because of the way it's been structured. But in a lot of these areas, Mr. Mayor, and I appreciate your concern, because of how they're being funded, we don't have a lot of choice in being able to choose whether or not we go it alone or we have to get plugged in to the larger jurisdiction. And that certainly is very helpful, and I appreciate this comments. I would assume, and I'm sure this is the case anyway, but every time I go to a meeting in the region, I always hear about how Fairfax City is so centrally located. So I would hope that in these meetings we would step forward and always volunteer our locations, our facilities, emphasize how we're centrally located. We're right off of 66123 Main Street, Route 50. I mean, it couldn't be. It is why Fairfax High School is one of the primary distribution points for the vaccination. It's a very reasonable answer. Right. The, just the last thing I would just make a comment is I read your elected officials guided disasters and I read with no, you know, the very first sentence that says, boy, you as an elected official player, a significant role in this whole process and when something happens in your reality, the rest of the book says, please stay home. You're going to be in the way if you show up to anything, but if you decide you're going to show up, you know, here's what you need to do. And I then look at your PowerPoint and I see the City of Fairfax surplugum and it talks about today, there's a core team of 19 residents that have been fully trained in equipment. There's a core team of 19 residents that have been fully trained in equipment. There's going to be another class in March of 2008 to train 12 more. I would just suggest I don't think the council wants to sit on the sideline. I would expect if there's training being given to citizens, that it would be given to the council in that. Based on all of our conversations, we want to play a role and not feel like we're in the way. And I urge you to read this book again. That's exactly what this book says. So I would ask that you take this, our roles into consideration and put us in a responsible role. And if we're training citizens at large, you're training counsel as well. And we're not sitting on the sidelines wondering and waiting. We're part of whatever citizen appropriate role that would be. Yeah. And again, understand that the search training now is actual hands-on response training. These are classes in first aid. These are classes in how to control utilities at someone's house because your neighbor's house has been wrecked and gas is leaking. And the backlog of fire units to be able to respond is going to be delayed. So we've trained you to be able to recognize the gas leak and where the shut off is and how to properly control the valve to resolve that issue. It is hands on down in the mud, crawling around, doing search and rescue, how to move injured patients. And certainly that is open to any of the members of the council. If you're interested in getting involved at that, I think the point that the brochures really trying to make is your place is at the policy level, not out there in the street, you know, when there is an emergency that the community is facing. And through the Emergency Operations Center, you have a role to play at that level not out in the street when our community is being impacted. Very much like Hurricane Isabel, when you know several members of the council as well as yourself came into the emergency operation center to provide that support there. And I was very comfortable with that but if I read this book I would think twice about doing that to be honest with you the way it's worth it. But I would just suggest that if there are willing folks up here that want to play those roles, they should at least be informed and given the opportunity and some of the things I said, the same thing to the chief when I saw the Academy program going to police thing. I don't think any of us even knew that was ongoing at the time. And there may be interest in members to participate in those things. Sure. We'll be glad to get the information out to you by email with the schedule and registration information. Great. Okay. Mrs. Winner? I apologize for missing the last 15 minutes, but I did have a question. Okay. I've been involved with the Northern Virginia Rio for the last three years and I'm assuming that's what was referred to as the location at Fair Pax High School and distribution of drugs and I'm just curious on if you've been working closely interface with that the regional health operation. It is as well as medical court. They are all components of how the national stockpile gets distributed. Our primary location is out of Andrews Air Force Base. That's where the large quantity comes in and then it gets broken down and sent out to these local distribution points. And it is a medical core and Rio, all these health department related assets are what come in and operationalize that stockpiles for distribution purposes. So to tie on to Miss Lyon's question 20 minutes ago, I so I apologize for missing out there, is they are using the city high school and the city schools for that medical distribution and it is very specialized. So the idea of having Paul VI as that, as our central location, that would not be a lot of the medical end of it, that would be the day-to-day survival end of it. And so those, from what I understand, the high school and the schools would be being used for medicine. Yes. Yes, thank you. The Fairfax High School is one of the primary distribution points for this. And so there would not be- And not only the city residents now, there would be a large- So there would not be- The whole town- So there would not be- The whole town- So there would not be- The whole town- So there would not be- The whole town- The whole town- So there would not be- The whole town- So there would not be- The whole town- So there would not be- to be able to do what they want to do at Paul VI as well as the high school. I think the chief may be dead. Okay. He provided that feedback. Okay. Any other comments to the chief? If not, thank you very much for the presentation. We're now going to move down to 12C, which is discussion of the future MBTA projects and projective revenues. This is quite frankly, Mr. Sisk, you could probably be fairly short. Another counsel sort of gave you all a redo on the priorities. You all have accomplished that. Now in the document, unless I'm missing something, I know our meeting is Thursday night of this week is, you know, it might be as simple and said, going through the report, I believe staff actually did exactly what the direction of the counsel was. And maybe we could make this as short as are there any questions or comments or concerns or do you want to hear the full staff report or do we feel comfortable that they took our lead and acted accordingly? I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable, based on the last discussion that we had with us that they followed the direction that the council was interested in and were to place where we need to be. We move forward. Okay. And Mr. Vesosa, it's my understanding this has actually been now communicated to the NVTA and it's part of what will be discussed on the 10th of January is that. The attached list of NVTA, six year plan projects, has our three projects listed. They're actually rated quite high compared to the other projects listed. 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Concluded its closed meeting, where we are. Okay, at 9.54 p.m., the Council concluded its closed meeting and discussed appointments to Board's Commission, discussed acquisition and deposition, a certain real property for public purposes and for consultation with the legal counsel for legal advice. I move that each of us certify the best of each council members' only public business matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirements and the Virginia Freedom of Information Act and only public business matters identified in the motion, convening the closing annual herd discussed or considered. All council members in favor of the certification motion signify by the voting aye. Aye. Opposed. And it passed unanimous. I'd like to, before we do comments by Council, entertain some motions for boards and commissions, historic Fairfax City Ink, Mr. Silverthorn. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I like to move the appointment of Edward C. Trexler for a vacancy per five-year term extending through December 31, 2012 to Historic Fairfax City, Inc. Second. The move by Ms. Sardar and Second by Mr. S. Mussel. And all favor, the motion signified by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? A pass unanimously. Appointments to the Metropolitan Washington Counsel of Governments, Ms. Winter? Thank you, Ms. Mayor. I'd like to move that the approval of the list in the agenda item number 15 regarding boards and commission, I mean, directors to the Metropolitan Washington Government as listed. Second. Move by Ms. Winter, seconded by Mr. Restmussen. Any discussion? All in favor of the motion? The signify by voting aye. Opposed? Pass unanimously. Ms. Winter. I move to proceed to revoke the special use permit issued by HANA, Supermarket Inc. On March 28, 2000 by directing staff to send the Aperman Holder written notice of the City Council's intent to revoke the special use permit in accordance with Section 11-366, parentheses 4, E of the City Code. Second. We will be by Ms. Winter, Seconded by Ms. Silverthorn, any discussion? All in favor of the motion signify by voting aye. Opposed? And it passed unanimously. That now brings us to comments by Council, Mr. Greenfield. No comments at this time, Mr. Westminster. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I had to miss the last council meeting because of surgery and one of the items that you all discussed that night was the community center concept and the generous gift that's been given to the city for the construction of a community center. And I just like to say a few words about where I come out on what I think would be a good plan for the council to consider. It seems to me that we might adopt something along the lines that we used successfully for Fairfax High School in the linear projects where we pre-funded construction drawings for a facility prior to actually knowing exactly how much it was going to cost and how we were going to fund it. I would urge us to consider planning for the larger project, pre-fund the construction drawings so that that can move ahead so that we keep a tight timeline and use the next six or eight months to do as Mr. NAP suggested the night, one of the three things that needs to be done, which is to come up with ideas and designing for the interior of the bill. And then find what over and above the total cost comes to over and above what the family has donated. Either through the methods we have used for funding such things as ball fields and blend them and that, such it with that financing, or if people are uneasy with that, using a referendum in November to actually raise money to do it. If, and in the meantime, we have the time to design it and engage in community discussion, both of the people who are interested in the actual facility itself and all of the community that might be interested in using it. So I would just throw that out there for your consideration tonight. Secondly, I noticed, I think it was in the Washington Post either yesterday or today, that Richmond is taking up homestead legislation again. They have to pass it for the second straight year for it to go into the Constitution. And I think, I don't know whether we can or should do anything to influence that, but I think we ought to stay on top of it through Mr. Hodgkin's and Mr. Lukkerman is to knowing what's happening with that because it affects greatly our as well as all other local ability to tax. I think, though, Mr. Greenfield? I think after this goes through the second time, the issue then is it's put on the ballot or the all of Virginia to have a say, and then if it passes, then it gets passed into law. That's probably. So, we have a little bit of a, we've got points. We have a little bit more time here. This is the second pass of this to be able to actually be put out to the voters for a good point. That's all. Mr. So, everything? Mr. Mayor, no comments this evening. Mrs. Winner. Mrs. Winner. Okay, thank you. I had three things on my list and one was to thank people for coming tonight, spoke about the community center and concur with what Mr. Rasmussen just said of the idea of moving forward with the community center and outreach and planning. And I would like very much if we could have some direction to staff on that tonight. And then also last night on Channel 7, the Homestead Act was mentioned at the 6 o'clock news and curious if staff could maybe follow up on that a little bit as well. And then this evening is my son 17th birthday and so I'd like to wish Jonathan a happy birthday. As is the principal of Fairfax High School, Scott Raybrand, it's his birthday today as well. So, happy birthday to him. And that we have been in these chambers for a whole year, last year, at Jonathan's birthday time, we had our first meeting, so that your has gone very fast. So thank you. Thank you. It was a line. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, I have a decision I'm going to announce tonight and that is I'm not, I've decided not to run for City Council this time around. It's been a great opportunity to work for the City of Fairfax and be a part of this team and to have all those voters and share all the changes that we've had here in the city over the past five and half six years. I look forward to the next six months work continue to work very hard with you all and Thank you so much Thank you, miss line. I'm sure that there'll be many more discussions and dialogues between now and room. And this council actually the election process and when this council finishes its terms, so there'll be probably more appropriate times than night to say all the things that need to be said about your service. So it's so worth it. Oh, I already went there. Sorry. No, I'm happy to get another shot, Mr. Mayor. I'm looking for a motion. I move that motion and remember it's non-debatable. Yeah. All in favor signify by putting on. Okay. Fine. I pass you down to the sink. That's right. Thank you all very much. We had an emergency. Thank you.