Good evening. Welcome to the City of Fairfax Planning Commission meeting of Monday, October 22, 2007. Please rise and join me in the Republic for which it stands. One nation in the middle of the world with liberty and justice for all. As everyone had an opportunity to review the agenda. Are there any changes or is it accepted as presented? Move it, Dr. Very good. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Very good. First item is presentations by the public. Seeing no public in the room with us, we'll move on to item number three. A discussion of the Fairfax Boulevard Master Plan Community Outreach process. And we received a copy of an updated Master Plan summary from Mr. Hudson, the Director of the Community Development Office. Did everyone receive that with their packages? Very good. Will there be any staff presentation? Thank you. Thank you. The way the process is. You hear me? Okay. The way the process is developing as we go along is from the August 24th meeting that you all attended with the City Council and the consultant. Dover Cole, who is our consultant, will take back the comments that were received at that meeting in direction and will be revising and is in the process of revising the entire master plan based on those comments. That product is due back from the consultant in November, sometime mid-November. Once we have a firm date on when that will be received back from the consultant there will be a steering committee meeting arranged for to meet for a final review and to get a final presentation on the plan from Dover Cole. At that point the steering committee will discuss the process for how it may be best to incorporate this master plan and the tenants therein into the comp plan. They're two possible avenues for that. One is to take relevant pieces from that plan, pull them into the land use section and adopt the ones that the council and the planning commission choose to go forward with. The other part of the process would be to accept the entire plan as an addendum and append it to the land use plan and its entirety. This four-page summary has been amended since that 824 meeting to try to incorporate some of these, the big ideas and some of the discussion that took place in those meetings. This has just been, come out of the printer not long ago. This apparently will be disseminated out into the public, various members of the public. Prior to the planning commission's involvement in this process, people will be having a look at it before the planning commission goes out and discusses with them after the steering committee has sort of vetted this. Our expectation is that after it's gone, Dover Coles brought in their product, the steering committee has met again and established some kind of direction that it will be back to you right after the first of the year in the January, February timeframe to begin the process for the comp plan review, which you note on your plan that I passed out tonight probably will begin in the March timeframe. So that's what we're expecting. You know, that will be the sort of first large piece of the ensuing comp plan review. And from this point, you know, you'd be looking at this. I brought in these great streets for you to look at. It might be some additional ideas that the Planning Commission can start together. Set forth as we go through this process. But for right now, it appears that we are in a hold process waiting for the consultant to return the revised plan. For me, in particular, the information on the back page, I think was most critical. The principles of the plan or first principles of the plan make the boulevard a walkable great street. Allow change on the community's terms with attention to appropriate size and scale. Support and mix of uses and destinations, balanced traffic capacity, safety and character, plan for feasible, feasible pieces, and enable the marketplace. A few questions, I know one of the open items that the City Council was looking at were some of the impacts on some of the transportation and artery proposals that were underway along the corridor there. Has there been any further discussion or developments with regard to that fiscal impact and the transportation impact? I know there is discussion with our public works department about various other transportation activities, particularly in the north facts area that are proposed to run concurrent with this. I don't have the outcome of that, but I know that they're going forward with things with an eye toward not foreclosing any of these options. Thank you. Any other discussion or feedback from members of the commission? Yes, ma'am? I just had a quick feedback on this reading this and thinking that the... I really liked it, but I was wondering whether transformed the outdated highway, I assume that's the vision statement. And I didn't know whether consideration might be given to making it more active, like transforming for two transform. It's just semantics, but when I read that, I just was trying to figure out it's just sort of hung there for me. I understood what it meant, but it wasn't as active maybe as it might have been. I don't know whether you can take that back to David or you want me to follow up with him. Sure, I can take that back. I think it's really nice to have it all in kind of one piece and having not had the opportunity to participate in your discussion, it was very nice to kind of see it all laid out one place where I could go and kind of go, okay, I get this. Mr. Culligan? I know this will move toward the joint meeting and the final product, but one of the things we have with this handout as we're moving forward is some minor changes to the road structure and the transportation structure, which I think is probably good and means the city has had time to look at some of the details behind it. But with this, we've also largely eliminated from this initial handout a sense of a sense of buildings and how they would fit with this plan as they've been taken off the original work piece we had. And the other sense is that the building structure has been left to two short statements, I think, on the front page that talk about the character of how we would fill these spaces in as they're being renovated. And I think that was also a portion where I would hope in the final report we get some additional information to be able to get further discussion on how this would fit together the road network is coming, but the buildings and who and how we use it. I know are as key to the ultimate success. Absolutely. And certainly the volume of those buildings have both retail as well as residential, ultimately office impact, depending on design and multi-use or otherwise. So that's a very important open question. Mr. Foster. Ms. Godlesser, when you were discussing the two approaches to bringing the boulevard into the comprehensive plan, this proposal recognizes or advocates some changes from current zoning and from our current land use map. How do we, at what point do we bring that in? How does that fit into what you were discussing earlier? Yeah, one of the work products that will be coming through this body forward over the next year is a complete rewrite of the zoning ordinance. As part of that, we will be asking staff and the consultant that we hope to get for that project to look at particularly for the Fairfax Boulevard area, a specific form based code which will get at some of the information that Mr. Cunningham was talking about in terms of building form and how it will work along that corridor and not specifically just directing them to write a form based code but to look at whether that is the appropriate vehicle for accomplishing the vision in this area. There may be aspects of it we want to include and aspects of traditional zoning that may work better in other areas. But that's something you will be exploring over the next year simultaneously with going forward with this. So we'll note it in the comprehensive plan, Land use map, and handle it in the zoning ordinance. I would expect that it will be an overly district of some sort shown on the zoning map, and be handled in the zoning text. Well, that raises another question. Do we replace, do we let the Fairfax Boulevard geographic area replace the, what was it? The Lehigh way, overlay district? The highway corridor overlay district? It becomes a successor to it. My guess is that is exactly what would happen. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Chow? No, I don't have any questions. Dr. Cun? Okay. I have one additional question. I'm sorry. Miss Cunley, I don't have any questions. Dr. Cun? Okay. I have one additional question. I'm sorry, Ms. Cunney, have you another question? I have one, but it's a question, and I'll ask you where you would like it to fit, because it's going to be a bridge question between this topic and the next one, and that reflected on our discussion just now of the zoning tax rewrite and the information and the topics that are going to come up for it. And it's a bridge because I would gather that we've got a number of topics to get into. And as regards rewriting the zoning ordinance that will be done with the comprehensive plan prior to. And adoption of the Boulevard master Plan prior to it working on the comprehensive plan. And then we've got some additional subjects that will go into the zoning text amendment, including the McMatchin issue, if you will, and some of the major issues as we get into talking those and where do those bridge between our dealing with the master plan for the boulevard and start of the comprehensive plan process. Yeah, that's something we've been talking about a little bit in the staff report, the other projects that are coming down the pike. These are all as you've stated, all very intertwined. I think that the Fairfax boulevard master Plan and the finishing up of the intake of that and then the review of that early in the year will proceed these other things naturally so that we can feed that into the zoning ordinance. Also, at the same time, you'll notice as we start looking at the next topic, which is the Comprehensive Plan Review, Fairfax Boulevard Master Plan is a huge part of that update. And I would expect another fairly substantial part of that update is going to be some sort of historic resources plan that should be done and provided with, you know, updated plan to have a little bit more activity with respect to historic preservation. Those are sort of the two major hits. The others will be fairly minor updates to a lot of information that we have and making sure it's all consistent. From that, we'll follow and infill, looking at infill development in various aspects of residential, particularly in field development. Those will feed into the zoning ordinance review process, which we expect to begin probably about the same time, but part of the initial part of the zoning ordinance review is going to become familiar with the doing an audit essentially on our existing ordinance, talking about ways to organize the ordinance so that it's much more user friendly and so that three people reading it can come up with the same answer and how it's best to organize it with tables and charts and drawings, starting to look at the timing for going to the community with some of the issues on signage, on infill, and those sorts of things. I'm expecting that we'll sort of run those about the same time, but the zoning ordinance at the end will be the implementing tool for all of these changes that we're looking at in the comp plan. But I think it's useful to have the discussion as we're ongoing with the consultant not just about the problems and typos and interpretation issues we've had with this ordinance. He can gather all that while we're doing some of the heavy comprehensive plan stuff and then we can put it together. And I think while it's fresh and everyone's minds as we're going through this is a great time to try and translate it into an implementing document. I'm just going to let's say I want to jump back to the Fairfax Boulevard Master Plan document, but I think there's a lot of overlap on a number of issues. When we began this process, we actually were very anxious for it to get started because we were facing a condominium development on something that was owned commercial, meaning they're about 50-card or. And we were looking for guidance from what was a working document for future master plan for the Boulevard. Since that time, the housing market has changed dramatically. And residential development has been negatively impact on multiple levels, condominiums most significantly, but even single-family homes today as well because of the lack of liquidity in the mortgage market. I see a knee-jerk reaction in this document from earlier documents that we were looking at. The focus of earlier documents, Kulier, was on mixed use which may include residential. And I'm looking at this document today and I'm seeing a focus on highway-oriented commercial corridor. And the word residential is very rarely mentioned in this entire document. And my reaction to that, it would be a mistake. Because frankly, when you have an opportunity like this to present a retail or commercial environment, one of the most important aspects of that is having foot traffic or car traffic. For, in fact, those businesses, restaurants, other retail establishments to call our downtown Main Street, and that's how I view Fairfax Boulevard. And there are many opportunities to join properties here for mixed use purposes, including residential. And so my take back, my first blush looking at this document is that I think we're dealing with, to some extent, a reaction to the current market, which three years from now will be a different marketplace again. And we should not be as in our planning role in fact being short-sighted. We should be looking to what is the most vibrant use of the properties and parcels along the corridor. And that was my major takeaway other than the suggestions for two to four stories or one to three stories and various areas, the centers or the adjoining roads. Point. Good. May I ask, second, the Chairman's remarks, I think it would be a mistake to extrapolate today into infinity. And there is a tendency sometimes to do that. Yes. Yes, Dr. Kahn. I think you're really thinking in the right direction that I was thinking what I did not do it. And that is that two issues came to my head. Perfax Boulevard is a long term point. It's 10 to 20 years now. And our family is about almost five years from student to get to change. So the question frankly, I have in my head is how in the way to integrate or incorporate the meanings under the effects of global or master of knowledge. And then the five you probably have, because there will be tremendous reception and to changes in the zoning law and regulations in the community. Both issues. And again, I think housing issue, there's a need for housing in this area also right now people can't afford it. But one issue really, very serious in this, but our city really is locust housing, housing for the teachers, housing for the police officer, our infrastructure professionals that we need to come with. So I agree with you that we need to really not forget the housing. Great, thank you. Is there a testimony for it? I'm just going to say, I'm thinking the long same line here. And actually, I think we'll get it to the hall of the room. Great, thank you. Is there a testimony from her? I'm just going to say, I'm thinking along the same line here, and actually I think there's a great opportunity as we look at the comprehensive plan and the demographics to sort of allow that to help us articulate what might occur along this aisle here along the Boulevard. Whether it's, I really like the sound of, you know, having some opportunity for some cost housing for our community, some senior housing. Some of the things we've been talking about for a while, we did talk, I remember one of our meetings about one of the nodes and what might be developed there in terms of childcare and other kinds of things. So I was hoping that that would be another sort of theme that we could bring to life through our planning process. Here here. Any other discussion concerning the master plan? All right, hearing none, why don't we move on to the next item, which is the comprehensive plan. I'm just kind of nice, you prepared a very impressive review document for us. Could you take us through that? Sure. Basically, this is sort of a first attempt at where are we going to go over the next few months together in looking at the comprehensive plan and updating it. Basically, as I said, it's showing a beginning in the spring of the year after we've dealt with some of the early issues on the Fairfax Boulevard and Master Plan and focused on those. Going through a process of identifying the issues and consolidating those issues into a master list, which we frankly begun on staff and that master list includes some substantive things that need to be updating and the inevitable list of typos and goofs throughout it. Expect as a jump off from that early in the spring to have a planning commission perhaps joint work session as a kickoff to this process. We will be meeting with other city departments. Those are outlined below. The information below the line is basically modifying the things above the line and is a little bit more information. But we'll be meeting with several city departments getting their input on these and with various boards and most notably as we mentioned earlier historic Fairfax City Inc. Updating the existing document, there's facts to change, there's language to change, there will be maps to change, but there will be major issues, both from the Boulevard, particularly and from the historic resources section. Looking at consolidating the comments and preparing a draft of an updated plan. There will be some outreach. We talked about this with our outreach document, which we provided you a final copy of. There should be a series of community meetings, maybe in four different places, to bring out an updated plan and get input from the community on the city scene on the website, get as much information out there to get back information from the community. And we'd anticipate a series of work sessions and public hearings to update this plan. Unlike what you all went through, not long ago, with a full comp plan review, this won't be nearly as painful as that and hope we can do it in short order because we need to get it in place. Consistent with Mr. Khan's comments, it's critical to update this plan with this Fairfax Boulevard Master Plan information because these areas aren't stagnant and people do want to make changes and the interim changes in the short term will do a lot to see how we're going to look on a plan that actually is out as much as 100 years. That's an awfully long plan. Our plans are usually about 20 year plans. Interim changes might make a site look pretty good for the short term, but if they preclude realization of portions of what we're trying to do as a whole on this master plan, we need to know that when we're making the decisions to allow those to occur. And we also need to know how our zoning documents will deal with those issues, with the short-term changes and with making sure we don't preclude the long-term changes. And I think that's going to be the need of what this body is going to be doing. But I think you'll have a lot to look at in terms of maybe some environmental updates, on the needs of the health body's going to be doing. But I think you'll have a lot to look at in terms of maybe some environmental updates on stormwater issues. Hopefully we can get some kind of historic resources section that prioritizes and identifies some of the issues that HFCI has brought to this commission so that we're not sort of knee-jerk reacting to everything that comes down the pike. But we have a plan up front of what's important and what we're going to do to try and protect that. And take the transportation section for sure as Mr. Cunningham has noted and melded into this Fairfax Boulevard Master Plan and make sure that they're not running opposite each other. So this is a general layout. I would appreciate any input. You know, we have a little time before we get started on this, but I'm trying to lay the groundwork so we can hit the ground running on this. I will be bringing to you probably at your next meeting similar schedule for zoning ordinance review and perhaps draft of finished drafting the RFP now for zoning consultant to help rewrite the ordinance so that you all can take a look at the process for how we're looking at doing that and the timing for that. And that's all I have. This is a very helpful document and the color coding and the month's-out process is very effective. I think at some point when it's final to have this on the website or in other ways to attribute the public to our timing and the department's timing would be very helpful. I'd also like to suggest that we correlate this with meeting dates into next year for the Planning Commission so that we have essentially our tasks very clearly laid out for us as we're thinking about agendas for meeting into the next year. And I think that would be very helpful. Are there any other comments about this plan? What's going to happen? The seems to be fairly aggressive and hefty plan that looks like it's going to keep our agendas full pretty much for all of next year. But with that and the discussion of some of the other items, when we talked about, I think the update on the Boulevard Master Plan, perhaps being available in November, but are getting it to work on a January, if I heard that correctly, then integrating that process and adoption process into the January, February timeframe, integrating the zoning text amendments and zoning rewrite into that January, January through fall timeframe with all the issues that are there. While we have one very pretty chart here with lots of good colors, I would almost like to see those items pushed in at the start so that we get a bigger and more colorful chart as to how this will all flow together because I think we've got an exceptionally aggressive schedule to deal with all of those issues in the timeframe we have available. So, one, I'm very pleased that we have some dedicated staff input now that will we help us to work through it. And that does include the CIP as well in there. Through the Apple Improvement. So I think some of those as we bring it in would be very useful to help us look toward what we're dealing with next year, because I think we've got, you know, as the items fall together, we do have a very, very full year for next year and we haven't even started yet. Right. Would it be possible for our next meeting to have sort of the working draft of some sensitive, tentative meeting dates in the order? Sure. I'll join these, these, you know, the zoning ordinance review, the comp plan review, and some of our other discussions, the IP and fill, and the meeting dates and see if we can pull those together in one chart for you. It is a very aggressive plan, but I think the idea is, well for one thing, you have a good opportunity right now. We don't have a whole lot of huge land use actions because partly the way the economy is, it gives us an opportunity if we stick with it and do it aggressively to get things in place for when things turn around. And's what you know we're trying to do here. Mr. Foster, Ms. Kodelasa, I just wanted to comment that as I look at this I was a little disappointed that you didn't find a better opportunity to have some of the blue and orange most of each other rather than so separate. And a third color that might work would be some very releasing maroon. Yeah, you'd like some maroon. Well, we'll do the zoning in maroon. Okay, good. Now, what color is the George Mason? Is it green and orange? Green and yellow. Green and yellow. Thank you. Maybe we'll pick up some yellow for the infill. I look forward to your creativity. Ms. Bonfrey. I have a question about your intent when I read this. So for example meeting with other departments, is the intent the way you have this depicted that that would be a staff responsibility and then the next whenever planning commission would meet with those, some of those or all of those or I would expect that we're going to do a lot of the groundwork going to meet with the other departments getting you know their updates and issues on the table. When we go back to planning commission for work sessions I would expect to bring that information forward to you then from those departments. And you were kind enough to include our new public participation outreach guidelines and our staff packages as well. Allow me to suggest to the members of the commission that we take a fresh look at those and come prepared to also connect our schedule with the type of outreach that we'll be doing into the coming year. Mr. Coyne. One comment and I hope that Mr. Pumphrey would be able to support this, but I think with the last time we did this exercise and went through the process, we found it exceptionally useful to have joint work sessions with most of these boards and commissions. It's sort of why? The issue of what the staff caught for interaction so that we did actually talk to each other and try to exchange information directly. So I think building some of that in would be very beneficial. Yes, that's sort of where I was going with it. And also like I noticed up under public review process community meetings and right now it looks green to me, but I'm assuming that planning commission would want to be active participants and in fact I believe the last time we had planning commission city council and probably cast a thousand staff all kinds of people so just some thoughts about that one that particular one. Two points. And possibly once we take another look at this, we can start thinking about a letter to the various boards advising them that we're thinking about this process and sharing the timeline so that people have a little bit of a head start to think about what issues they would like to raise with us as well. And we could share a copy of the previous document as well so they could take a fresh look at that. You bet. Any other discussion? I guess. Yes. And I think not just once necessarily, but meeting with them early so that we have a discussion about what we're trying to do and they have an expectation and time to work on it. And then we're working with them further along in the process when we're ready for input was valuable. Very good. You know, this is a very, I'll outreach intensive process if you will in order to get the best information. Any other discussion regarding this document or the plan? Nope. All right. Seeing none, we'll move on to consideration of the minutes from the September 10th 2007 meeting. Has everyone had an opportunity to review those? Are there any suggestions, corrections, edits? Move the option. Seconded? Yes, seconded. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All those opposed, abstentions? Carried. Please. Okay, one abstention. And then the next item is the consideration of minutes, September 24th, 2007. Move the adoption. Is there a second? Second. Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Abstentions? Aye. Okay, then, anyone in opposition? Okay, motion passes. All right, we move now to the staff report. Very briefly. I told you I'd let you know some of the things that are going on with some of the other boards and commissions that you might find interesting that you may or may not already know about. We're in the process of reviewing Board of Architectural Reviews, reviewing plans for a new Chick-fil-A, which is down in the Fairfax Circle area on the same basic property as S.S.C.O. as you know. Most of the things that are going to the Board of Architectural Review, you may already have seen in some ways, but sometimes not. Four things that you may or may not be aware of. There is an action on Council's agenda to look at some improvements to draper drive park. Those improvements will include replacement of the existing grass with two artificial turf multipurpose fields with night lighting and bleachers and that will be something interesting you know that you all can watch and follow That would be a resource that we don't currently have in the city. We're in the process of reviewing a special use permit, which is probably going in November to the city council to put a best by it, fair city mall. So if that's something that you've a big box that you frequent, that may be going to fair city mall. Ms. Contell, so which where would they be moving into at the Ferris City Mall? I'm not sure what space they're moving into. I've seen the front. I'm not sure. Do you know where Ross was? Yeah, we're in the Ferris. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. There is a new restaurant that you may have seen originally called Fire and Ice. Now called the Boulevard Restaurant down on near Fairfax Circle. That's in for a dancing and entertainment, especially use permit. I'm not sure what kind of entertainment, but I guess fans and things like that that they would like to have. And the last thing I was going to mention is you started mentioning it earlier at 10611 judicial drive. You heard a rezoning and a plan to put a new office building there. They are back no date established yet having requested a special exception to not put the utilities underground on that site. And that's currently being reviewed. Our code requires them to be under grounded. The Profford development plan had them under grounded. So discussion is ensuing on that, but they've requested not to do that. Yes, Mr. Fitzgerald. Does that mean that that plan would be coming back before the planning commission? That's under discussion. That would be a determination through the attorneys in the zoning administrator. It certainly is, you know, when you proper a general development plan, you prefer it to be in substantial conformance with that plan. And you all have been around long enough to know that when something develops, there's often a little switch here and there of where something is. The question is, is this substantial? And that's what's being determined right now. Very often we've had exceptions to undergranting utilities where there have been transmission lines that have gone along a property. In this case, it's not only a request, not to underground those, but to add a new poll on this property and bring a transformer onto the property. And that is in an area where there is landscaping now proposed. And that determination is whether that substantial or not is being made. The applicant has brought in an application and made the case that it's very expensive with respect to the cost of the project and would like the council to relieve them of that action. But whether it will come back to you as a zoning proffer amendment will be determined. But I just thought you all would like to know that. Considering the focus of undergrounding utilities that we've had in the City Council has had as a priority and rather surprised that this is happening in the application process. Yeah, there was a similar project as you know, the building that went in a cup of the few doors up obtained relief from the undergrounding requirement through the process. All things being equal, the best thing would have been, and the beginning to say this is the issue, this is the way we want to do it, this is the way we think we're going to need to get this electricity to the site, and you know, we can't do it. Ideally, it would have been through in the beginning, and then you could have made a recommendation on it as part of the zoning, but it was not. So, you know, where we go from there, I think it's unfortunate to have a rezoning action, which includes, you know, a development plan and then come back later and do that. I think that's a tough action. So, let's see. Any other questions or comments? Yes. Speaking of underground and utilities, did you find out anything about TT Reynolds and that situation? What I was told was exactly what you saw probably in the front page of the city scene, which is that in negotiating to get the easement that was required that the dollar value being requested was so significant for us to be able to get that easement that it became more tenable to buy the property put the easement on it and then resell it and that's the answer I got Mr. Fitzgerald Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have another question With regard to the development of downtown Is there going to be any type of pedestrian link between Main Street and North Street? Like in between, for example, you could walk between TT Reynolds and negotiate through there. Is there going to be any type of pedestrian interconnection between those two streets? In the back of the buildings through the alleys there? Oh, actually from one street to the other. Just so many things have happened in the past, I've noticed it didn't appear that there was going to be, but I just wonder whether something has evolved, whether it's going to be a pedestrian access. Mr. Foster. You're talking about something parallel to 123. Yes. I'm not aware of one. I know there are plans for, you know, the sidewalk connections and for way finding to be able to find those connections from one street to another when the process of doing a waypinding program to get down sort of all the confusing signs that there are and put up some signs to help people find their way. Finding some, we had a discussion with the downtown merchants about parking issues and about where people can park and how they can get from one place to another, which took place a couple of weeks ago. And some people had some great suggestions. One of our planners said, you know, it says public parking with an arrow here, but that's not necessarily free in people's minds. It is free here, but public parking can be here as a garage and you can pay to park too, because it's public parking. So changing some of that so that people recognize that it's free parking and that, you know, how you get from one place to another, that will be coming along in the next couple of months as well, working on a good way finding program to do that. That'll be going to council in the next few weeks. And so hopefully people will have signs that say, here you are, here's where you park, and once you've parked your car, how do you get where you're going? And we'll be doing a brochure as well, really a one-page flyer that shows where all the public parking is, that shows the major places people are going, how to get there from this parking, and then making copies of that. So the businesses can have it on their front counter, and as their customers come in, we'll be able to take it and know how to get around. That's the plan. In terms of a specific linkage like through that back area, I don't know of one, but I'll check. Mr. Foster, well we're on the parking subject. On university going north, we've just added some parallel parking spaces. And from a distance as you travel north, it almost appears to be a right turn lane. Going into the shopping center, if you could, I don't know if there's some way to paint the curb or put up a something that encourages people not to drive over that curb. I agree I watched yesterday two people go to make the right turn into courthouse plaza and then go out and have to come back out again. That was discussed also in the meeting with the downtown merchants and there was the focus of the meeting was parking availability but one lone voice in the wilderness said, well, you know, we also might need a right turn lane to make people, you know, easily able to go to that shopping center. It is parking and it might help to stripe it or something to show it as parking. And I'll carry that recommendation forward. Thank you. Great. Any other discussion on the staff report? Yes. Two comments. One. Thank you for the input on Chick-fil-A as the Board of Architecture review representative from the Planning Commission. I hadn't seen anything on it yet, so I trust we're getting it sometimes. It's coming. And then I'll bring back and appropriate comments on it. And second on fire and ice, which changed his name to the Boulevard restaurant as it was going through. Board of Art touch review did recommend some facade changes, part of which have been done along the sides. Do you know if that process is proceeding still and changing the look? Yes, I believe that they'll be coming forward to finish the front part. I saw the owner or the owner of the business in today doing something, so they're proceeding incrementally, I think to get to what the board envisioned. Okay. Great, thank you. Thank you. So we're gonna move now to commission comments. I unfortunately need to report to the commission that one of our members, Terry Simmons, has stepped down. She's resigned from her position due to personal obligations effective November 1st. And I did share a copy of her letter with Ms. Quattalasa as well as with each of you this evening. I would like to express our appreciation at a future meeting to the Simmons for her service, particularly on the Fairfax Boulevard focus and with our business leaders in the community. But we'll say about our remarks in full such time to thank her for her service and her commitment. Are there any other commissioner comments this evening? Yes? comments this evening. Yes. Mr. Chairman, on the same topic, a charity decision from the integration in the past, when the commission has invited what colleagues who resigned and gave a kind of certificate presentation. Yes. And sometime also, I remember that if there is a time to just last time socialize, go for a coffee or something. And I think Terry and Ms. Simmons has been on the commission for five years. And she just, I'll wait till the time come, which she is an interminister. Absolutely. Mr. Kennedy, any thoughts? One, I would like to second that. But the additional comments that I would have would be that I attended the Parks and Rex Advisory Board meeting with Dr. Conn at the last meeting that they had and they are indeed working on a master plan along with changes and projects in many of the parks and I think we'll be pleased and would like to see that product. But also hear their comments as we get into the next portion of our process where we're dealing with the boards and commissions and finding out their inputs because they've got a number of exciting things that they're talking about for Van Dyke Park, their master plan, and other parks and issues around the city. That's great. And certainly that was an area of great focus for us in our last capital improvements discussions. That's terrific to hear. Anything else? Okay, Mr. Foster. I would like to say that I'm going to miss Miss Simmons. I've been working with her since, I guess we started the old steering committee for Lee Highway as it was known back then, in 2003. And she certainly added a lot to the presentations. She had a good insight for what was going on in a good grasp of the marketing of the issues. And I think her presence will be missed at the same time it creates an opportunity for us to bring in someone else and I'll look forward to that. On a second note for kind of for what it's worth the department and it may not be worth much but I'll throw it at there anyway. We have been talking a lot this spring and summer about HFCI and we have been talking about ethics and I wanted to mention to you that it's caused me some consternation as we've gone through this process. I am very committed to an historical property that belongs to the APVA time and money and I'm actually leaving tomorrow or some meetings on that subject. So I'm very sympathetic to the issues of preserving our historical heritage here in the city and in the Commonwealth. But as I went through and listened to what the representatives of HFCI had to say, the several sessions really visited with us. I began to be concerned as a member personally of HFCI that I needed to either recuse myself on certain issues or that I would have to note to the public that I was a member of HFCI. So my approach to solving that problem is I have resigned from HFCI because I just don't want anybody to question whether I'm being objective in my responsibilities as a member of the planning commission or I'm being too sympathetic because I do have a lot of sympathy for what they're saying, but I just wanted to make you all aware of that. Thank you, Mr. Foster. Mr. Pompry. No comments? Mr. Putschel? No further comments. All right, well with that, we will be in adjournment. Thank you. I'm going to home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna to be a little bit more careful.