New City Council meets the first Tuesday of the month to really first inform us at the policies that govern the actions of the City Council. Consistent with our personality, we're trying to fit a million things into a short period of time. We're going through some 20 interviews for boards and commissions. The good news is we have a huge amount of interest in the community and getting involved in our origin commissions. So we actually started that process at 530 tonight and we'll be going sometime after this meeting is done. So that's where we've been. And what I need to do first is get us out of our closed meeting. So what I'd like to do is to state that at 7 p.m. the City Council concluded its closed meeting conduct interviews and discuss appointments to boards and commissions. I move that each of us certify the best of each council members' knowledge. Only public business matters lawfully exempted from the Open Meeting Work Arms and the Virginia Freedom of Information Act. And only public business matters identified in the motion, convening the closed meeting, we're heard discussed or consider. All council members in favor of the motion. Please signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? And it passed unanimously. We're going to sort of balance around a little bit, but as I said, the first thing that we have to do tonight is to approve the various policy resolutions for the council term 2008 and 2010 and what I'd like to do. Is there any staff report on this, Mr. Assistant? Mr. Mayor, no. There is no real staff report. These are eight resolutions that kind of are resource documents which set forth your procedures in various areas. They are largely taken from the documents that your predecessors have followed in prior City Council terms. There are eight of them. I don't know that I need to read them off or just guess them with you, but you have previously discussed these briefly and so therefore we recommend them to you for your adopt. Thank you. Let me see if I can get a motion on the floor. Mr. Greenfield. I can move approval of the attached resolutions for the 2008-2010 City Council term. Second. Moved by Mr. Greenfield, seconded by Mr. Rasmussen. Is there any discussion? If not, all in favor of the motion signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? In it, passed unanimously. If not, all in favor of the motion signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? And it passed unanimously. What I'd like to now do is we'll recess our regular meeting and we're going to go into a work session. I told everybody this is going to be a very weird night because we're bouncing all over the place. But what we'd like to do is to now kind of engage the community in what's called the 11 Oaks property in the City of Fairfax. By way of just a little bit of a background, the property, which is known for those of us who grew up in the City of 11 Oaks school, which is on school street here in the City of Fairfax, just south of City Hall, was a piece of property that was owned by the Fairfax County Public School System during their process of declaring surplus properties. We learned that this property was not gonna be declared surplus property because the school board had planned to use it for an alternative education program for kids that were not allowed back in the Fairfax Public School system. And it was this council and I'm very proud, or the former council and I'm very proud of their leadership in this area that decided that would not be consistent with a residential character of their surrounding communities and did a very unusual and very bold action in terms of purchasing the property and negotiation with the Fairfax County school board and then the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors. The intent all along was to purchase the property, to control it by the city and then put it back on the market with a really sole goal of making sure that whatever delavellum and took place on the property would be consistent with surrounding communities. And that certainly is the intent. As we went through that process, we sent out a series of RFPs for interested developers in terms of their vision and interest in the property. We received three proposals during that process, the City Council, actually the former City Council narrowed it down to two proposals, and it's our interest tonight to invite the two finalists to address the City Council and share with them their vision and their understanding and what they'd like to see done with the property, but really this is more for the benefit of the community than it is for the Council. As you know, anytime you buy and sell property, you do a lot of it in closed meetings and discussions and negotiations, but I think this council feels very strongly that we want to make sure the community is well aware of what's going on and understands the various processes, and this is something that will unfold over the next several weeks. With that, and if there's no objections, what I'd like to do is just to dive right into it and I see our friends from George Mason University are here and I'd like to invite you all up to the podium if you wouldn't take a minute and share with us your interest in the property and your vision for what you'd like to see done with it. Welcome. Mr. Chair, I'm Mayor Letter, members of the Council. I'm Tom Calhoun, vice president of facilities at George Mason, and I'm pleased to come before the council again to talk about our interest in 11 Oaks. And we're representing both the university and along with David Rowe, the president to the George Mason University Foundation who actually is the entity who made the proposal to the city and would in fact develop the site for the university or for the foundation for our use. As we mentioned to the council in February, in February session and then in subsequent work sessions with Mayor Letterer and Councilman Greenfield. We are very excited about the opportunity that the Elevinox site presents, I think, to both the university and to the city. It allows, I think, both of us to do some things that we both want to do. And chief among them for us, of course, is to further our goals in providing workforce housing for our faculty and some staff members of the university. Our vision of that site is a residential one, consistent with what you do, what is there today in the neighborhood, a residential community. But for us, it would be workforce housing in support of the university. And like any workforce housing project, it has its benefits that are accrued to the area as well as to the employer, in this case the university. Certainly reducing traffic is a goal that we would be able to meet by having workforce housing there. It also provides I think a link between the two vibrant communities of the city and the university. And I think, as I've said before, the strong thread that I'd bring through all of our discussions is the partnership between the university and the city. University was born out of a partnership with the city and we see that partnership continuing through this project. To restate the proposal that you had before you and as you know it has gone through an amendment, we submitted it once, submitted it again, and through the work sessions it's evolved a little bit. The proposal is for a residential town home community of approximately 80 units of town homes, architecturally consistent with the town home community just to the west on university drive. It doesn't necessarily mean they are single family units of that size, but architecturally we see it blending in with that community and being consistent with that, so it blends with the surrounding neighborhood. Our vision of the property is that it would be a mixture of four sale units and rental units. Our original proposal to this council back in January was for all rental units as we have discussed this with you on a number of occasions that has evolved and we would see a large percentage of that being for sale units. As many of you know, we are developing a faculty and staff housing project along Roberts Road, which will be primary, in fact exclusively rental units. So we see this as a compliment to that, perhaps providing a for sale component of our workforce housing. Our vision incorporates the strip of land along University Drive which the University currently owns the 100 foot stretch that goes along. So in front of the 11 o'clock site we would see expanding the site to include that to allow us to develop that more efficiently and also to be able perhaps for those units that we would rent, we might do those on the state-owned portion of the land. Again recall in our discussions previously we ran into some roadblocks when developing the Robert Road site with the state of not being able to sell units that are on state land. So in this case, we wouldn't be able to sell units on that 100 foot strip of land anyway. As part of the URP, you had a desire to have a solution for the bus parking of the school buses that today park at 11 oaks. As you know in the proposal, we have suggested a long term lease, 99 year lease of land that we have on our Shirley Gate property. Some portion of that that's bounded by Shirley Gate Road and Bratwick Road. So that would be an essential element of the proposal that allow you to move the buses there and have the site open for development. Our proposals, I guess we would pay the $4 million that you listed as your minimum price. We have talked a couple of times in the past about, talked with you in a couple of times in the past that, depending on the density allowed, we could talk about what that, the value of that offer is, that $4 million is. As you know, the proposal that we have is not to make money, it's to provide workforce housing, and it's our belief that the $4 million essentially makes the deal a wash at an affordable level for the faculty members, to the, at 80 units, to the extent that we could have additional units on there, then we can talk about a price that's different from that. So that's where the number comes from. We've also expressed some willingness to discuss with you the potential use on the site for other things, whether that's community use, retail use, those kinds of things. Recognized in some instances, some reluctance on your part, it is not an essential element of our proposal, but we are willing to talk with you about that as we move forward. There are a couple of issues still requiring resolution as we move forward. In limits, our ability to show you a final site plan and I would contend that probably the other proposal. We have the same issue. Principle among that is which, who's the code authority for the site? As you know, the land is partly in the city and partly in the county and we would have to go through a process of figuring out how much density is allowed if there are any proffers required and those kinds of things. So one of the things that we see as part of this process is, again, working with you to move forward and identifying the specifics of how much density and how much, so that scope would change perhaps to be in concert with what you want to do. And again, in the spirit of partnership, that's what we're committing to do, is to work with you in developing a project, a site development that works for both you and the university. I see the strengths of our proposal really as at least four things. And again, I'll hammer home again the thought of being a partner. We are a long-term partner with the city. We share a boundary and because of that and many other things we share many common interests. With the extension of George Mason Boulevard from here down to the city it becomes, where Mason Boulevard becomes an entrance to the university. The main entrance from the north. And so we have the same interest as you do ensuring that that piece of land is developed smartly, architecturally pleasing in his site that makes us both proud because that's the way a significant number of visitors to the University will enter the campus. We have a demonstrated commitment primarily through the Roberts Road project. Factually, it has staff housing project of working with you on housing development. We have been before the council a couple of times talking about that project and as I think the mayor has said, we have worked in an iterative process in changing that site plan several times in response to issues raised by both the council as well as members of the community. Would be certainly the same type of approach that we would take on the 11 Oak site. Both with the foundation and the university, we have a demonstrated history of being able to deliver similar scale projects. The foundation has delivered student housing for the university at the corner of Braddock and Roberts as well as office projects for both here in Arlington. So they have the financial ability and the project management experience to deliver a project of this size and scope. And then also, I've already mentioned, we are through another business arrangement, Mason Housing Incorporated, delivering the faculty and staff housing project, which currently is on schedule and under budget. Finally, we do have a solution for the school bus parking problem, which we think is not an insignificant factor that our proposal brings. That site is less than about two and a half miles from here, so it's within the radius that I think you were looking for for school bus parking. Finally, just to summarize, then I'll be happy to take your questions and for both Dave and me, is that I wanna restate our desire to work with the council and with the city staff on developing a project that works for both of us. Our intent, our desire, in fact our only goal is to provide workforce housing that is consistent with the local community that fits within the architectural framework and the partnerships that we have. We look forward to working with the city in developing that project as we move forward. And the specifics of that can evolve into whatever works for the both of us and we're committed to doing that with you. So, sir. Well, thank you for coming up. Just two quick things that I just want to make sure, because I know there was an original proposal, and I know there's a lot of interest in some of the specifics within the community. But could you take just a second primarily for the benefit of the community, explaining the original proposal, you were proposing that the property actually be owned by George Mason University, which means it would convert to state owned property. And it really kind of fly over top of zoning and a lot of things both in the city and the county, but that is change. And I think that will be of certainly interest into the community. Can you take just a second to sort of, I know you talked about the housing corporation and some of that, but share with us sort of the ownership structure you have in mind for the land and the project. Yeah. The foundation would create a limited liability corporation to own and manage the property. The whole concept as Tom alluded to earlier is if it, for our own benefit, if we're going to do four sale units, we would have to be in a privately held venture and not within the state. At least in the state of Virginia, nobody has successfully taken state land and sold the rights to it. A couple schools are still looking at that, but that was one of the components that came into play. But also we heard from the community a large in our earlier discussions that that was an issue. And it's really not an issue from our end on which side it resides. We just want to make sure that there's one authority that's reviewing the plans. And since originally there was some stillness, some state land involved. We haven't cleared with DGS on that component, but we clearly would like to work with one jurisdiction and the foundations comfortable working with either. So that was the only issue we had with that. And I think it remains to be seen of the units that remained rentals. There would be some sort of long-term arrangement with that. Whether we rolled that into the housing project management structure over on Robert's road or not still remains to be seen. But the vast majority of the units, the 80 units would be for sale and this would just be developed so does a normal you know private development and then sold and be handled that way. We would put in the sale agreement some sort of We would put in the sale agreement some sort of buyback clause that allows the subsequent sale of the units to come to the faculty members. So it doesn't go into the open market first. We have not worked out the details of that. Obviously, one of the concerns I think in the community that's expressed and we've had an opportunity to talk about it is the concern over not turning into student housing is opposed to faculty housing. Can you just kind of share with the shared thoughts on how you would approach that issue? Well, I mean, we're certainly going to build the units to be of a quality level that will be attractive to all, but they won't be units that will, the students kind of forward one, too, we won't allow them to do that. You know, we will, through some structure much like we have on the Robert Road Project, limit, have a priority system of, of, of, of for sale. So there is no intention, no desire for that to be student housing and we'll figure out some rules and make sure that doesn't happen, just like it's not going to happen on the Robert Road property. And the last point that I think it's just worth some clarification so we're all comparing apples to apples as you talked about approximately 80 units but that's not all on the 11-O, city on piece of property and can you kind of share with us your ownership structure and some of the other property that surrounds us that you would be incorporating in it? Yes, sir. I mean, I've already spoken about the strip of land along university, the 100 feet. So across the frontage of the property, that would be land that we could contribute to that. We have also discussed a partnership with ANOVA who owns two pieces, two parcels along school street of about the lower and acre and acre and a half. So maybe a third quarter to a third of the area that we would have for the 80 units is not the 11 Oaks parcel that you're selling. So in terms of density, you know, and I guess you could try to do it in apples to apples comparison of something like 60 units would be on the 11 Oaks site. Now we would look at it as a total development. So in the open green space may be here there. So it would kind of work its way around, I think. And I can't define for you exactly what it looks like until we work with you on Antennaise and those kinds of things. That's great. And I probably should have said upfront and you actually said it for me, but both myself and Mr. Greenfield and has sort of served as the liaison with the various proposals over the last couple of months so we could roll up our sleeves and talk through a lot of the issues and negotiate it up to this particular point in time. And so with that, let me see Mr. Greenfield, did you have any other questions of George Mason University to make sure that everybody's on the same page and has a clear understanding before I Open it up for other questions. I think you've covered everything Let me see if there are other questions or comments on the George Mason University proposal from the council No This cross is been Do you have an idea what kind of range you're going your for sale and rental rates will be on these units? It will largely be determined on the actual cost that we come down to but our hope at the foundation level is that it will be somewhere between 65 and 70% of the market at the time. But like we said, we're looking to get it as low as possible relative to market and whatever percentage that is of market at the time we make the sale. That would be what we'd be looking to buy a back at as a percentage of market to transfer to the next level of faculty downstream. Well, I wondered how you were going to do that. You were, so the process will be for someone leaving George Mason to sell back to the foundation. Or to sell directly to another faculty member where at the same percentage of market it was in the original deed. Okay. We haven't worked out all the legal ramifications, but we have counsel working on that as we speak. Yeah, other schools across the country who have done that kind of sale have put in a maximum escalator tied to consumer price or something that limits the upside appreciation of the unit. So when it sells back to another faculty member, that faculty member can still afford it. Okay. So we still have to work concern that there might be just a little exaggeration here as to the compatibility with the units that are down further on school street because those are very upscale town homes. I'm not certain but I would say they're in the $800,000, $900,000 range, which is not where you're going with these. My comment is that from the outside, we want one they won't look exactly like that, but we want them to look close to that and blend in with that. From the outside, the structures may look similar, but there may be two units where there is one unit in the town home down the street. So we want to find a way architecturally to put more people within the structure, more families within the structure, but from the outside it looks much the same. That's our goal. Okay. So I'm just to make again, what is the percentage of escalator that will come into play when the property is transferred to another owner? Right now we're contemplating having it be at the same percentage of market that original sale transpires at. So if we can manage to do it at 65% and the market moves up 20% and the five years of the first faculty member lives there. It'll be 65% of the new market, which hopefully will keep it competitive for us for recruiting and not allow somebody to come in and buy the low market and sell at market. Which should help the surrounding community not worry about losing value in their own properties. Thank you very much. Mr. Roman. I thank you. Thank you for being here tonight. Two questions. The first one is currently what are you doing to address your workforce challenges in terms of housing? Well, I mean, the our first foray into workforce housing is the is the 155 unit, 157 unit development that we're doing off south of Green Acres Long Roberts Road We don't have any other Any other projects yet that'll be the first one So I guess I guess I'm asking if I may Mr. Mayor is what are you doing now is George W. University to provide housing for faculty and staff? Nothing. So they're providing, they're getting housing on the open market? Yes. The second question I have, I may have Mr. Mayor, is would you describe these as townhouses or townhouse condos? For sale units of the townhouses. Thank you. You're coming about what are, you know, the faculty members, you know, are they living out in the community today? Yes, they are. But we are finding, as part of the recruitment, that there are many potential faculty members who are unable to come work at the university. And while we may be competitive on salary with Hicka School anywhere else in the heartland, the housing, the cost of entry in the housing market is so high that they say, I can't afford to come to George Mason University. So, yes, all the faculty members that we have today have found places to live out in the community some a long way away, some close by, but we're losing a lot of faculty members that we would like to hire because they can't get housing. And that's why we're moving in this direction. Any other questions or comments? The only other thing I think it's worth clarifying just to make sure everybody again has all the same information as you mentioned, the challenge on the school buses that are on the current 11-0 property and just for the community's benefit. I think certainly those that are here that live near the community understand, but for those who may not currently, for its county parks, I think Mr. Assistant, it's about 50 buses on the particular site and it's part of the purchase agreement. When we purchase the property from the county, the responsibility of finding alternative site for those buses in or outside the city, I believe it's within a five mile radius. If I remember, I don't remember the exact specifics, but it's within a three to five miles within the city becomes a responsibility of the city of Fairfax. So part of the value of looking at this proposal or the other is the cost you to purchase land to put buses or to lease land to put the buses, or in this case as I understand it, the university would provide that property. And is it my understanding that you'd provide the property for a long term so we're not talking about this in five years is that correct. In the length of that. We've talked about a 99 year lease and whatever works. It's essentially forever but we understand the concept of this cross. I did come across one other question I had. When I reviewed this, there's reference in this document to the ANOVA staff. How does that work with, are we talking about the ANOVA employees that are at the emergency center or the nursing facility there, or is this AN Nova employees throughout the region, or is a Nova any part of this anymore? No, a Nova is a part of this, and that their willingness to contribute their two parcels of land that are adjacent to 11 Oaks comes with the we would like you you know whatever the proportion share of units that we can build in there would be available to to ANOVA staff whether they are specifically at the site across the street or not we have not gone into that detail I'm talking with ANOVA so they could be for Fairfax ANOVA down in the Marifield area, not to find at this point. So this is actually a housing project for them as well. For the same reasons, they're having. Exact same recruiting problems. My discussions with CEO of ANOVA have been that their target would be nursing, nurses. But for the exact same reasons. I think that's important because now we have two entities who are using that facility for recruitment housing. Yeah, I should have pointed that. Thanks. The ANOVA organization would also have the same restrictions with respect to resale or that you just described for George Mason. Or did you get it? And we haven't gotten that far in the discussions with them. They're actually more interested in rentals more so than for sale units. They want to always have the ability to have some units available. So we have not gotten to the table with them exactly. How many do you want for sale and how many do you want to have rental? So early, too early for that, sorry. Okay. Any other questions? If not, thank you for coming out. We appreciate it and we look forward to continuing the dialogue. I'm sorry, I may be out of order, but it's- Green acres and actually that's a good point. This is a work session, so that's the reason the public's not invited to speak, but if you could be- I'm sorry, the regional proposals did have- It did have- It had written a proposal mentioned green acres in subsequent discussions, both here and then also in the work sessions we had. It was clear that the city council and the city was not interested in green acres. And so we have- and subsequent discussions, in fact fact emails have said green acres is no longer part of the proposal Yeah, I think the second proposal does not have it in there so Okay, thank you. I Like to now invite up to the to the table if I coulders of the Walnut Street Development. Thank you, Mr. Montagne, for being here. Whenever you're ready, you can. Thank you Mr. Montaigne for being here whenever you're ready you can thank you. Good evening my name is Bobby Montaigne This is Jared Gibalca with Walnut Street development. Thanks for having us. I used to see some new faces here. This will be an interesting little case study. I was educated at George Mason University so we'll see what kind of job they did on me. Fairfax City 2005 comprehensive plan drafted by Fairfax City staff the housing goal and objective section Strategies number one provide for move up housing within the city Move up housing is the single most efficient component in the city's housing stock This lack of high end housing product has placed the city at a competitive disadvantage in the regional housing market. We're proposing for the 11 Oak site at 63 high end townhouse units, three and a half stories. Clustered such that they use the new George Mason Boulevard as the spine coming down the middle and then as much green space pocket parks call what you will within the site plan. The site plan from our perspective has been through many iterations with our architects and our civil's and myself. We have fit the townhouses that are in front of me, these three and a half story townhouses in front on the site So our site plan is basically ready for submittal and comment from the the city The Fairfax County or the Fairfax City comprehensive plan also goes on to talk about in the move out housing section when you drill down into it. It talks about move up housing being of the single family detached nature rather than the townhouse nature that we're proposing. If you drill down a little bit deeper into that and look at the housing mix that that same comprehensive plan does it shows a bar chart that has over 50% of the housing stock within the city is single-family detached housing less than 20% is the townhouse piece this isn't going to skew that overall graphic that much but it is worth putting out to your attention. I believe personally and from investments that I've made in the downtown development in the city, this city needs high end housing, not super off the charts, high end elevators going from the garage up to the master suite type housing, but high end housing. Housing similar to the Fairfax Gateway project that is immediately adjacent to this. That project was done by Cave Hubnavian, I believe. It's three and a half story towns. We're loaded garage soft little alleys. It's done very well. Those sold in the, Miss Cross you were right. They sold in the 850 to push a 900 range. They've dipped down to about 750 now given the current housing market. But those are, I think, what this city really needs. And at the six at our points, which is 700 plus or minus, we think these would fly off the shelves. The timing of coming to the market with these would be mid 2010, which we like a lot. I wouldn't want to be delivering these right now, but in working our pipeline and looking into the future, this is the site that I frankly covet. I'm going to get a lot of grief for my little sister who played a lot of soccer on this site, but she'll get over it. I'm at a bit of an advantage going after George Mason because I was able to hear their proposal. So let me address some of the things that I heard. We're offering $110,000 per Developable lot here and we're proposing 63 units. That's a 6.93 million dollar purchase price If you do the math and move our number from 63 units to 80 units Sumer to Mason's proposal That puts us playing over twice as much for the site as Masonish. Now I know they can solve the bus problem far easier than I can because of their excess land. I could also argue that they can put workforce housing on their excess land versus on this site, which I think is a pretty pivotal site for the city. The reason I think it's a pivotal site for the city, and this is not by any means talking badly about Mason, but I think it's important in a city like this to have the city part, the retail, the office, the real city part, and the housing part, the student housing part, the college part. And I think that university drive is like a river. And it doesn't really naturally want to be crossed by George Mason, in my opinion, given the size of Mason on the other side of university, on the other side of 123 down in that section. Now that said I will say that I've watched Mason put up a lot of buildings over the years and I drive through there probably more than they want me to because it's faster to get to my office but they do a good job. This guy's really do know what they're doing. So the price tags won. I talked about workforce housing versus move up housing as strongly land on the side of move up housing. I think the bus issue is a huge one. The Delta in the purchase price ought to be able to solve the bus issue. It's pushing $4 million difference. The other pieces that I heard on the Mason side, our proposal is for 63 units that are all for sale. There is no foundation, there is no Richmond, there is no other complicating factors. It's basically me and my company and this development and making decisions for moving the project forward. So all sale. We have not approached a NOVA about the additional lots that are on school street and we haven't done that because we recognize the relationship that ANOVA has with the university and it just isn't timely to do that. We would pursue those if we were successful in winning this project. So in a nutshell, Mason kind of left you with four things to think about partnering with the city. I don't go back as nearly as far as George Mason does with respect to partnering for the city, but I have partnered with you guys and I've done the best I could on the developments that we have and we're working through issues now and I think you know that if everything's not perfect, you know that I'll be there to deal with the issues and that my intent is always to deliver the best development that I can. So partnering on there, George Mason Boulevard being the main entrance coming into the university agreed. It will be, but I can assure you that we can dress up George Mason Boulevard and make it as pretty as the next guy. And if you look at the site plan and how we did it and where the green spray drops into that site plan, you'll see that. Their third was a demonstrated commitment and they use Roberts Road as an example. I can do the same thing with the Downtown Project and with respect to their fourth point of delivering a project and the expertise. It reminds me of a story that Jared's probably tired of hearing, but when I first started my company in 1997, there were, there's a lot of things in development, acquisition, finance, design, zoning, construction. Are you going to exit? I get it all done. And I used to be good at some of those. I wasn't an expert at all of them. This was over 10 years ago. I cannot tell you that I am truly an expert at all of them. And I don't have to gloss over any of them. I know each step. I know how it works. And I believe I've demonstrated that for the city. So that said that's a proposal and please know that I really want the steal. Just two quick things. The one on my comments are really more directed to make sure that the community understands apples, apples and the discussions. The one thing you said about the 80 units versus the 60 or so. I think it is important to keep in mind that I think primarily the difference between the 63 and the 80 is because the other 20 or so are actually on property outside of the property that we're talking to you about the city owns the ANOVA property and then the 100 yard or whatever it is, wide strip that the university currently owns a state property. The second issue I have and you may have addressed this and I'm sorry I had to get out and go grab something real quick but on this diagram the one difference I see and maybe again you address it is in the original one there was a swimming pool clubhouse now that looks like there's a clubhouse in it says community park. Is that still intended to be a swimming pool or is that changed? No, it has not changed. It changed on the illustrations that you're looking at. Actually, the one I'm looking at still has a swimming pool in a clubhouse in the middle of it. I'm sorry, the one Mr. Mayor, the one I presented did not have it. The reason I pulled it out is because we have taken the site plan into the different iterations we've done internally. We went from 52 units which was my original proposal and offered a program that was a formula. If we get up to 72 units and we had a site plan for that, then we would pay you based on 72 units rather than 52. After looking at it and kind of digging down into it and doing frankly our numbers with it, landing on 63 makes a lot of sense. I don't know however if 63 units warrant so community clubhouse and pool. In other words I'm not sure that after we build it and deliver it, those 63 units can afford to maintain it and keep it operating at the appropriate level. So we pull it for this presentation, but it's not off the table from the standpoint of trying to get it done. And one of the specific reasons I brought it up is I had some communication with some of the folks that live right across the street and there was actually interest expressed on whether or not you would consider opening it up for the Cresmont community if they you know we charge membership for that type of thing so that was the real reason I Brought it up understood. Okay. Mr. Greenfield let me see if you have any other questions or comments before we open it up. Do you have the ability to explore doing the stormwater underground? Yes. And my thought is that you would be able to open up additional green space. And we've been able to do that in a couple of projects here in the city where they've been small. And they've done it underground. And it's opened up some additional green space. Yes, in fact, we were in the office earlier talking about that and this stormwater pond is a tough one It's too big to hide and it's Too small to make look Intentional so it ends up looking like a big pond big kind of mud puddle pond So that is something we'll look at Okay, all right and in this the setback that you have I'll I think it's the oaks to the west, the townhouses that are there. Right. Cognavians project. How far would that be from the property line, the setbacks? Are you talking about the Fairfax Gateway, the new ones, the Havien project? I was thinking the oaks, but it's the you're at the oaks of the other side. It's the gateway. I think you've got some drawings here, but I'm not getting a sense of how far that set back is. It's probably our backyards on the townhouses to the west side of our property are probably 40 feet off of the property line. And then they got to run right into this line. So we're 40 feet on the inside of this line. We essentially back up to them, but not as close as we would as if it were our development. Okay. All right, thank you. And actually I did have one last comment and the reason I bring it up is I know we talked about it. The artwork that you have here at least from my perspective didn't I asked the question because it didn't seem to do the justice and the quality that you're really outlining in terms of, you know, just the artwork here. But it's my understanding maybe could you share with the council the siding and what it looks like? And I know in the questions in the interview originally, we asked if it was important that the council would you be willing to build with Breck as opposed to the current siding. But can you just sort of address those issues? Sure. The community see, I'm not looking at these screens that we have at blank, but and maybe if we could just from the staff if you could pick up, I'm going to put them over there. I think they can catch it right here if I'm not mistaken, but if not, we'll move it to wherever. Mr. Sussan, I just want to make sure the community sees the same things that we're looking at, but. Well, Mr. Mayor, we all have this so proud you do. I'm more of this community doesn't though. I'm saying if we can just move the poster so we can put the posters maybe before we do that. Oh, there we go. There we go. Mine is standing. That's up. And if you could just go to the left now and actually show the the artistry and edition of the townhouses. If not, we can just pick it up. Well, the next one over. Next one over, right? She runs high. They're working on it. Yeah, they've got perfect. Go ahead, please. Sure. We designed with our original proposal, we designed buildings, three and a half story townhouses that were kind of your real standard box brick buildings. And frankly, we didn't spend that much time on them because we spent the time on the site plan. I believe Miss Cross you had mentioned that I could probably do better than that. So we did go back and we looked at some other projects in Old Town, Alexandria that some computer, friendly competitors of ours have done Akin Young and Top which is a top-notch townhouse developer. We borrowed some ideas from them as well as some ideas of my own but what we built here was a brick water table based to the buildings. It comes up about three feet or so just to kind of set the foundation. And then the signing of the buildings are made out of hearty plank. We will be proposing using different colors, trying to make a, you know, not a, not a Art Deca or Malibu type development, but a colorful, more colorful, introducing more colors to the development. Three and a half story, the half story on the top is a dormer type story and then they're all Not all of them, but most of them will have metal roofs And we'll break those metal roofs up with some other type roofs probably every third unit or so the other thing that we've changed since you're looking at this picture is these are 22 and 20 foot wide townhouses. We've changed those to 24 and 18. So the footprint generally stays the same. But what we're able to do there is make a real-to-car garage and also give the elevations of the buildings a little bit more diversity and different articulations along the streetscape of them. We're also trying something that I have not built before, which is kind of a triplex, I guess, for lack of better word. And it's shown on the site plan in several cases where we have two townhouses facing one way and then another townhouse attached to it kind of a long way against the back of it. So it's a truly a triplex. And the reason these were designed that way is we're trying to load all the parking off the streets. So you'll come down the smaller streets off George Mason Boulevard, come down a little alleyway, and then run behind the units to get in, now the garage is. I'm not sure we're going to be able to collect trash that way, but that's kind of the concept. Great, thank you. Let me open it up and see if any members of council have any questions, Mr. Wresson. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The purchase price, is it based solely on the number of units that would finally be approved? The purchase price to the city? Yes. Yes. OK, so if the 63 comes down, then your purchase price comes down. Yes, sir. And if it goes up, yes, sir, but you don't expect it to go higher than 63. We have a plan that shows 72. 72. OK. It's a simple trade off, too. You take green and you plant buildings Other questions Mr. Drummond Mr. Drummond two quick questions first is what is your price point on There when you actually sell it away they 750 plus or minus The other question is, and I'd be interested here George Mason has on Sanstead. Obviously George Mason Boulevard is becoming right down the middle of the property. What sort of ideas you have in terms of, sound buffers, barriers, because obviously, residents are probably going to have some questions about that. I'm going to ask that you speak up too. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a fair question. We had not contemplated any sound buffers down George Mason Boulevard. In looking at the site plan, it'd be very difficult to do without literally having concrete walls and the front yards of these townhouses. I think the things that pragmatically we would do is we got into it and thought about it and got feedback as we were marketing these, but a heavier grade of windows in those units along George Mason Boulevard might bump up in our 11 type sound insulation a bit and do those sorts of cosmetic things to to buffer it. I really don't see it. You know frankly this is an infill site and folks who typically buy infill sites are used to sirens and cars and stuff and they just become part of everyday life so I don't see it as a big issue. I don't see this big issue. Other Mr. Mayer. I noticed that you carried the median motif from that already exists two schools street through this project. Did you consider, I mean, if I look at the Mason proposal, they do not have that. The median in George Mason Boulevard. Right. The green way. Yeah, that's a big road. That's 80 or 90 foot right away, is by remember correctly, when I took the plans off. And in a residential area, that big road needs to be broken down and green aisles do that. I mean, did you give some consideration to eliminating it and putting more of that right away on the sides for pedestrians, bicycles. Eliminating part of the roadway. Median. Making the well, if I know that's actually a city on street wouldn't be a developer own. So the developer where I have no control over the planning or the medium is that what we did do along those lines is ran sidewalks that are part of our development I'm not sure they're part of the roadway Part of the beat out roadway and we have sidewalks line and either side of them I'd also concur and councilman Greenfield's comment about the stormwater runoff if you could consider Councilman Greenfield's comment about the storm water runoff if you could consider Placing land on the ground for aesthetic reasons. Yeah, there's no doubt about it that This going into a storm water bolts the way to go It's going to become a civil engineering question and they'll be able to do it and then the question will come back to me is how much does it cost? Thank you. Other questions? Liz Cross. On this, yes, me. Is this University Drive? Yes, me. It concerns me a bit that all of these units will back up to university drive and what you're showing here. I've no doubt that there'll be a very attractive backside, but it will be the backside. And I'm wondering about whether that's desirable. And if so, then you're going to take an awful lot of the trees and that sort of thing that are buffering that are a long university now on the north side. It's an excellent point and I hear you but we already have a buffer. This aerial indicates the property. This is the big rectangle of property. If I could, let me just see if the TV camera again can catch up to. I know we're jumping all around, but I just want to make sure that the community has the same access to. You got to hold it up. There we go. Thank you. The question with respect to the back of the townhouse is a long university being the back and being seen from university. There is a considerable buffer. I'm not sure how deep that buffer is. I heard 100 feet, 100 feet from university. That's all woods right now. That would remain so let Mason took the trees down. Correct. Unless you gave them a permit to take them down. But it's your intent to... It's our intent. If that were George Mason, if that were George Mason or if that were University Boulevard right there against our site plan, we wouldn't build them like that. We would provide a larger buffer against a roadway like that. And the fact of matters, we wouldn't be able to sell them. Okay. Other, just two questions. Will these have these? No, they won't. They will have the site is very flat. If it had more hills than some of them might be built into a hill, but they'll be flat. That is the first floor. And what you'll do is you'll walk in the front door at grade, and then there'll be a little landing area or for your type area, and then pretty much goes straight up stairs. In the back of the townhouse where you come in at the garage level, you'll turn around, drive in off of the alleyways that lead to that particular unit, drive in, then you're inside the garage on the first level, get out of your car, walk up. The second level, which will be treated like a first level, will be the kitchen, a great room, area to walk onto the deck, and then upstairs, and the third and third and a half story will be the bedrooms. Okay. So the short answer is it's that grade, no basements. And I assume that's part of the reason that you're doing this brick work on the front. Is that right? That's right. It's a brick water table just to show a foundation. Right. It's right. It's a brick water table just to show a foundation. Right. It's cosmetic. So it's purely cosmetic. There's no... Yeah, what will happen is we'll pour a... Ruckshaw recent you did that. We'll pour a slab and we'll... Then it'll be a concrete slab and then we'll come up with a cinder box up three or so feet and then we'll face the center box with real box and then kind of dress up the top one for a water table. Okay the other thing that concerns me a little bit is I really I really like the sighting that you're going to use but I wish it weren't real I wish it were and I don't even know the name. It's called Hardy Plank and it's a concrete type of sighting. That's what you're using. It's like, okay, when you said a Hardy Pine, you got it. No, it's Hardy Plank. It's basically a maintenance free concrete sighting. What I needed to hear, yeah, because what would citing would not be a good thing. I think that's all I have. Thank you. Any other questions? Thank you very much. Appreciate you coming out and let me just say from the community standpoint, because I know there's a lot of interest in this. It's I think it's safe to say it's the intent of the council to resolve this issue and to move on as quickly as possible. And so I'm not sure what that entails or where we're headed there, but there will be plenty of opportunity for public input. But it may be sooner rather than later and we'll make sure that the community and I see a number of you here will be properly notified and give you ample time and heads up to be able to share your comments. I would also urge the community if they have any questions because this is a work session that doesn't give really an opportunity for public input. Certainly feel free to contact the staff or certainly be email contact any of us if you have questions as we move forward. So again, the George Mason to Walnut Street. Thank you very much for coming out. We- Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I said that we're going to be bouncing around tonight. That actually concludes sort of the public face of most of the items we're going to talk about tonight. We are going to re-adjourn back it, or excuse me, adjourn now, into a closed session to continue our interviews for boards and commissions. We'll come back out at the end of that. We have a number of other, some other issues that won't involve probably two exciting issues for the public, but we certainly will come back and we're going to bounce back and forth. So with that, let me read our motion to go back into closed session. I move the City Council convene a closed meeting at a section 2.2, 3711A1 to conduct interviews and discuss appointments to boards and commissions. All council members in favor of the motion, please signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed and a pass unanimously. We're now going to adjourn back into our conference room and we're going to continue interviews. you . . 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I move that each of us certified the best best of each council members now which only public business matters lawfully, exempted from the Open Meeting requirements and the Virginia Freedom of Information Act. And only public business matters identified in the motion convening the closed menu or heard discussed or considered. All council members in favor of the certification motion please signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? And it passed unanimously. We'll now go into a series of appointments to boards and commissions. Let's first get out of the way. The various appointments to the members of the city council and myself to the various regional boards, Mr. Meyer. Actually, who? Who was doing it? I think I was. Mr. Oh, he was doing it. I think I was. Mr. Greenfield. Thank you, Mr. Mayer. I move the appointment of members of the City Council to the retirement plan administrative committee. Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments, if you're a genuine municipal league, the Northern Virginia Regional Commission, Northern Virginia Transportation Commission, the Transportation Authority and the local emergency planning committee is outlined in agenda item number two dated 7-1-2008. Second. Moved by Mr. Greenfield, seconded by Mr. Rasmussen. All in favor of the motion, the seconded by the voting aye. Aye. Opposed and a pass unanimously. Appointments to the Fairfax Commission and the aging Mr. Rasmussen. Mr. Mayor, move the appointment of a need a ca a two year term extending through December 31, 2010 to the Fairfax Commission on Aged. Moved by Mr. Rasmussen, seconded by Mr. Drummond. Any discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by voting aye. Opposed and a pass unanimously appointments to the personnel advisory board, Mr. Stombries. Mr. Mayor, I move to appoint JJ Fitzgerald to a three year term extending through June 30, 2011 to the Personal Advisory Board. Second. Moving by Mr. Stomberies, seconded by Mrs. Cross. All in favor of the motion signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? And a pass unanimously appointments to the Board of Architectural Review, Mr. Greenfield. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move the appointment of Jack Anderson, Jacob Jack Anderson, to a three-year term extending through November 30, 2010, to the Board of Architecture Review. Moved by Mr. Greenfield, seconded by Mrs. Cross. All in favor of the motion. Signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed. And a passing annulatory appointment to the Commission for the Women. Mrs. Cross. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I wish to appoint Karen Carpenter, Lisa Nern, and Deborah Ross to threeussen. All in favor of the motion, signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? And a passing and anisee appointments to the economic development authority? Mr. Meyer. Mr. Mayor, I move the appointment of James Offit to a four year term extending through October 11, 2014 to the economic development authority. October 14th 2011. Sorry. It's moved by Mr. Myers, second by Mr. Greenfield. All in favor of the motion signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? In a passing annulatory appointments to the Planning Commission, Mr. Drummond. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to remove the appointment of Jennifer Robinson to a four-year term extending through December 31st 2009 to the Planning Commission. Second. Move by Mr. Drummond, seconded by Mr. Greenfield, all in favor of the motion. Signed by by the voting aye. Aye. Opposed. And at past you now, I'll say appointments to the Falls Church Community Services Board, Mr. Mayor. I move the appointment of Elwood H. Whit, Jr. to a three year term extending through June 30, 2011 to the Fairfax Falls Church Community Services Board. Move by Mr. Mayor. Seconded by Mr. Drummond. All in favor. Signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed and a passionate and if we could message to the city clerk, if we could, there were a number of people that were on vacation. We'd like to see if we can set those up for interviews for our next meeting of the Fairfax City Council. Okay, that finishes our boards and commissions. We had one other item on the printed agenda, but in discussion with staff, we can handle this more administratively and Mr. Assistant will take the lead in those areas in terms of support material that may or may not be needed by individual members of the City Council. We do not have a session on appointments or comments by the City Council, which is traditional. This being our first meeting, I certainly would like to give everybody a chance if there's any issues or comments or thoughts anybody wants to share for the good or the order, and we'll start with Mr. Stombries. No comments, Ms. Cross? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to bring to the Council's attention that one of the Council policies is to review the performance and salaries of the city manager, the city attorney and the city clerk. And I would suggest that we schedule for our September meeting so that we can comply with our guidelines. Mr. Sissin, is that the right timing? Is that when we thought we did it as part of the budget process now? Or work two. Okay. Yeah, I'll coordinate with Mr. Sissin and make sure certainly we're in compliance and we'll figure out the right timing on that. Any other comments, Ms. Cross? Mr. Screamfield? Mr. Sissin. We're in compliance and we'll figure out the right timing on that any other comments miss cross Mr Greenfield Mr. Esmasen Please evening Mr. Meyer Wow, this is such a great easy council mr. Drummond just briefly I wanted to thank the city Fairfax Fire Department for posting a birthday for my son who turned three and many of his friends from the city and for my son who turned three and many of his friends from the city and they did a great job of showing all the all the kids and the parents of what to do and what not to do in case of a fire and I very much appreciate them up in the fire house and I just want to thank the mayor and my fellow council members and staff for an exciting first evening and I look forward to working with you in the next two years and help mr. Stommer is feels better. Does Mr. Stommer is not feel good? Okay. Okay. If there aren't any other comments, I actually have one and hopefully this will come as no surprise. But as we just have completed and as I talked about last night, reflecting on the election and talking to many of you all over the last several weeks and since the election, one of the ideas they got surfaced during the campaign process was a discussion certainly on our financial situation and the difficulty of it and the need to do things differently as we approach that, the issue of trying to know, trying to get the council engaged at the right time and the right issues and all the complications in terms of the challenges we have in front of us. Actually, I think it was Mr. Foster who originally brought it up and I remember distinctly Mr. Greenfield you bringing it up as well during the campaign. It was the need to take lessons from some of our other jurisdictions in the Northern Virginia region and consider the formation of a budget committee to work closely with staff in preparation not only of next year's budget but sort of monitoring the progress of this year's budget, which we know is certainly going to be a challenge as well. I actually thought I had sent this out to everybody in detail this morning or last night and I realized at about 530 tonight that I had not. So I'm going to read it in terms of a resolution that I'd like for the council to entertain in terms of creating a City of Fairfax Budget Committee. Whereas the City of Fairfax currently enjoys an excellent AA plus general fund crederating, whereas both the residents and the businesses of the City of Fairfax benefit from the lowest overall tax burden in the Northern Virginia region. Now I actually list the tax rates in the region and I'll just say as a sidebar, we not only enjoy the lowest tax burden by a little bit, but actually by a lot. Whereas the citizens of the city of Fairfax has cited through a variety of voter referendums to move the city forward through an aggressive renewal program, new police department expanded city hall renovated schools, purchase of over 42 acres of open space, whereas the cost of the citizen directed renewal programs over $140 million. Now therefore, it be resolved. The establishment of a budget committee task force will be formed as an advisory to the City Council for the 2008-2009 fiscal year. As I now go into the, now there are now therefore I just want to give a little background in doing this, I felt in discussing with many of you all that we certainly needed representation of the council. We certainly needed representation of the city's staff. This recommendation is going to be to select one member from the whole over council. If I can use that phrase, one member from the new council, the reason for that. And certainly, I have interest and I know we all do is there will be some points in time. I would anticipate and discussing with my colleagues and some of the other jurisdictions. Then not every meeting may necessarily want to be public and obviously we all know that if we get more than two members of the elected body, we then everything has to be public meetings and it's certainly not intended to hide anything from the public, but I could certainly envision those opportunities. So the committee will be made up of the following members. Jeff Greenfield is the chair, City Council, a member David Meyer, citizen at large, Bill Foster, chairman of the school board, Janice Miller, Commissioner of the Revenue Page Johnson, City Treasurer Steve Maloney, and of course, obviously Mr. Assistant and Mr. Hodgkins from the City staff. The committee will focus on the following issues. One, monitor the 2008-2009 actual performance throughout the year and provide the City Council guidance to any adjustments needed to ensure a balanced budget. Two, to investigate a way to better coordinate the timing of the approval of the city budget with the approval of the Fairfax County budget. Three, to review and recommend a better budget review and approval process for the adoption of the 2009-2010 budget, including timing of work sessions, more effective staff reports, number of work sessions, public meetings, et cetera. Ford, where Closie was staff to review the development of the 2009-2010 draft budget, prior to being submitted to the City Council and effort to streamline the government and to make it more effective and efficient to meet the challenging needs of the community. Five, the task force should make periodic updates on Indian all progress to the City Council. We're appropriate, but no less than quarterly is the process unfolds. Let me just pass out, I should have done this at first, just a hard copy. Certainly there is no pride of authorship, but I try to cover the various issues. And I will say none of these issues are new. Certainly the issue on trying to figure out a better way to coordinate the approval of our budget with Fairfax County is not a new issue for those of my colleagues who have been on the City Council. Unfortunately, it's one that always comes up during the budget review process and then we never have the time to really adequately work through it and it puts staff at a very awkward situation in terms of evaluating it. Certainly, I think we all felt like, and I'm sure my colleagues who are new to the council followed the process. In terms of, we've condensed it to such a short period of time. We really don't do the process and give the time in the energy. We, it boils down to one or two workup sessions in the very 11th hour, one or two outreach meetings. The CIP, I recall, in my early days on council used to be totally separated from the budget. And I certainly think with the challenges that we're going to have over the next two years, we need a committee and some and a group of folks to roll up their sleeves and to address that issue. Clearly, the review of the current budget, this is not in any way shape or form to supplant the role of the City Council, but to work with staff and to make sure that the City Council gets those updates when needed, as it certainly unfolds in last, but not least in terms of the approval of the 2010, 2009 budget. One of the things in dialoguing with some of my colleagues throughout the region, they felt very strongly that it was a great way to sort of guide the council and provide additional support by having a smaller group roll up their sleeves and work through it with staff, and then make recommendations to the council for its consideration. So that's the spirit of what's being recommended, and I would love, if possible, to enter to an emotion to establish a budget committee. Second. Moved by Mr. Greenfield, seconded by Mr. Meyer, any discussion? If not? Mr. Mayor. Mr. Cross. My to assume that you are not a member of this committee? I am not a member of this committee, correct. And the reason is very simple. If we get more than two members of the elective body, it changes the dynamics as we are all aware of a public notices and meetings and I think that will be good and I would encourage the committee to have an open process but they're probably I'm going to guess times when that's not the most efficient way to do it is they sort of identify the issues and roll up their sleeves on various issues and so no I would not be a member of the committee. There would be only two members of the city council that would be. Any other discussion? So Mr. Mayor, if a member of council wish to attend one of these meetings that isn't appointed, what process would we go through to do that? Well, we just need to make sure that, and I would assume most of the meetings would be posted and be public meetings, but some may not. And that would be at the discretion of the Chair and Mr. Greenfield in this case yourself and your committee members where you felt you may need some opportunity to discuss issues that that might not be appropriate. And so I think we'd have to take the guidance of the Chair in this case and when Council, more than two would be anticipated. We certainly would have to, Mr. Sissin, have it published and posted as a public meeting and where there were issues possibly not. Then we'd have to take the lead from in this case, Mr. Greenfield, to share that with us as well. Mr. Greenfield? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's not my intent. I've not talked to Mr. Meyer about this, but it's not my intent to operate in a vacuum as we deal with this. I think there is a committee that has done at every level of government. I think there's an opportunity for us to be able to work with staff on the budget. And I anticipate as is outlined in here here and really it's done at consultation with me that we are meeting with the full council on a quarterly basis. We are keeping everyone informed. There is ample opportunity when this comes on the agenda that we will be able to discuss everything that we have talked about and making sure that everyone's on the same page with respect to our city finances as we move forward. Every step of the way is we get to toward the next budget process. But we're all familiar whether we were candidate sitting in the room or those of us that were currently on the last council. There were a number of significant budget items that came up at the last minute. Quite frankly, one of them was very significant on the eve of budget adoption. I hope that through the effort that we are proposing that we'll be able to work through that and while recognizer might be times we can't eliminate it, we can certainly work and do our best to reduce those numbers of surprises. So I would ask all my colleagues to bear with us as we jump into the water here and start working on this and give us an opportunity to get organized. And we will continue to keep you informed. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, there were two things in the election that the citizens made clear. One was their concern about city spending and the economy and the effect of the economy on the city's revenues. The second thing was the issue of transparency. So I concur with Councilman Greenfield with respect to the openness of this process. I do believe this committee will bring a certain focus, and we'll enable the council to look at our priorities and bring a little bit more certainty in terms of projections. Additionally, I think that I would concur also in your comment regarding looking for opportunities to eliminate last minute unforeseen challenges. And we can do that by possibly streamlining the calendar. I do want to compliment the staff in past years for their budget presentation. I think the city is very fortunate to have high quality group that prepares the budget. But this is really more for the council to bring some focus to the prioritization of the programs and our spending. So thanks. Any other comments? of the programs in our spending. So, thanks. Any other comments? Mr. Mayor. I was going to point out one thing with regard to transparency. That has number five in the resolution. It says the task force should make period updates on any and all progress to the City Council. Win appropriate by no less than quarter late, so I feel that that's Councilman Greenfield had said before. We will consistently get those updates and as well the citizens. Okay. All in favor of the motion signify by voting aye. Aye. Opposed? And at passing an anemone see if there are no additional comments, I'll entertain a motion for a German. You know, I just I should say before I do that, sorry Mr. I understand if you'll I just want to welcome the new members of council. This is a very exciting night. I know for Mr. Stomberies and Mr. Meyer, Mr. Drummond, congratulations to my colleagues that carried over. Congratulations. I look forward to working with all of you very closely as certainly our city staff. I have to admit, twice I look to the left and I was looking for Mr. Greenfield and Mrs. Cross. So it's kind of a new experience up here, but I really am very optimistic about our ability to lead the City of Fairfax forward over the next two years and certainly look forward to working with everybody. Mr. Greenfield. Move to motion. Oh, now what we'll take the motion is there a second moved by Miss Greenfield seconded by Mr. Rasmussen all in favor of the motion signify by voting aye opposed in a passionate