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Councilman Chapman, Councilwoman Gaskins, here. Councilman McPike. Here. Sorry. Okay, welcome everyone. Thank you all for being here. Councilman Chapman's here somewhere in the building. He'll be up here. All right, so I need to give it an administrative update here to start, because we're going to do things a little contrary to the docket. And so I just want to make sure people understand why and what. So we had a, my understanding is some of the notices that went out said 7 p.m. Instead of 6 p.m. so in order to be in full compliance with our notices, none of the public hearing items that have noticed will be heard prior to seven, so just FYI. So this is the order that we're gonna do. We're gonna do the public discussion period. First, we have one speaker sign up for the public discussion. We're gonna take items, we're gonna vote on items eight through 12a. We will then vote on items 13 through 16, and then 17 and 18. Then the council's gonna go into a closed session and we will be back at seven and then we will pick up with five through seven and then 19 through 23. So if you're here for either any item five through seven or 19 through 23, we will not take up that item until at least seven PM. So you can go grab dinner. Five to 7, 19 to 23, at least 7 p.m. So you have an hour. All right. Madam Clerk, public discussion. Sorry, I'm just going to go just to make it clear. We're going to do public discussion. We have one speaker speaker signed up that is Dino Drudy, Mr. Drudy. I don't see the moment. He's here. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of Council. I would like to distribute to you an article which shows why population decline is not such a bad thing, and why it's actually a good thing. And this really affects a lot of what you do since you have embraced the Council of Governments plan for additional housing, which is predicated on employment-driven population increase. Many of us are opposed to that. And some folks have you in court over zoning for housing, which is one of the things that you have done to embrace this population increase. If we had population decrease, if you stopped welcoming population increase, there would not be a housing shortage, housing prices would go down. So hopefully, when you get to the, if those who have you in court over zoning for housing, if they prevail, you will have to look at zoning for housing comprehensively. And that means you'll have to look at your policy of embracing population growth comprehensively. And they will have to, as a result of a study which would likely take a number of years, determine how many new schools you'll need and where. And public open space and where, because we don't have enough. And so if you have your objective of reaching a quarter million population, 90,000 more than we have now, by 2050, well, where are you going to put the parks that these people are going to need? 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I neglected to mention that before we go to the roll hall consent calendar, I believe the manager wanted to, is he here? There. You wanna wait a bit? A bit. Yep, we can wait a bit. You tell me. All right. We'll go to the roll call consent calendar. Items 8 through 12 a. Is there a motion to approve the roll call consent calendar? Items 8 through 12 a. Motion by Councilmember Pike. Seconded by Councilmember Bagley. Any further discussion on the roll call consent calendar? Hearing none. a roll call madam clerk. Please call the roll councilman McPike. Hi. I'm some of our bag Lee Mayor Wilson. I'm I smell Jackson. I'm in a Gary Gentlemen chatman councilwoman gaskins. Hi Okay, yeah, the roll call consent calendar items eight through twelve a are approved We're gonna now go go to items 13 through 16. These are one at a time, but I would entertain a motion to put them all together and approve them as a block. There's a motion by Councilmember Bagley, seconded by Councilman Gaskins, and this is on approval of items 13, 14, 15, and 16. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please signate my saying aye. Aye. All opposed, say nay. The ayes have it. We'll now go to items 17 and 18. Is there a same thing on these we can hear them one at a time if you would like? If there's any discussion? As a motion by Council Minigiri, seconded by Vice Mayor Jackson to approve 17 and 18. Any further discussion? Is a roll call Madam Clerk please call the roll. Council Minigiri, Vice Mayor Jackson, Mayor Wilson, Council Member Bagley, Councilman Chapman, Councilwoman Gaskins, Councilman McGuirey, Vice Mayor Jackson, Mayor Wilson, Councilman McGaskins, Councilman McPike. Okay, 17 and 18 are approved. Mr. Manager, go for it. Thank you, Mayor and Council. I did want to take a moment to make an introduction to the community of our new fire and emergency services chief Felipe Hernandez. I want to extend a warm welcome to Felipe and his wife, Maira and other family members. Chief Felipe Hernandez has been went through a national search for our next fire chief. Very competitive. We had candidates from all over the country, went through a pretty rigorous process, and turns out that he's the right guy. He's had 25 years in the fire service. Previously, he's been the fire chief for the city of Rochester, New York, where he overset saw a highly rated accredited department of 482 sworn and 24 civilian personnel. He retired recently from the Rochester Fire Department and has served as a superintendent of the New York State Academy of Fire Science. the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, the legislature's office, is a chief fire officer and a national emergency medical technician with additional certifications in fire officer instruction, health and incident safety is a master's degree and a bachelor's degree. As I stated earlier in the swearing in, what really made him stand out from other candidates in particular was his ability to connect to the community, his ability to create a strong relationship and bond with the men and women of our fire service. And he also has a strong vision for what fire service should be in the next decade. You know, Mayor, you talked about 25 years. I looked at that with the next decade. And we're really just truly honored and fortunate to have such an amazing person that wants to be in our community. He's joined by his wife, Myra, and they'll be relocating to this area. I think they already actually have. So we're really excited to welcome him. And I think his first day was yesterday. Not truly, but next day. Sorry. Thank you again to give me the opportunity. Thank you, Mr. Manager, for the introduction. At Chief Hernandez, we said earlier, welcome. We are so excited to have you on board. I'm sure the residents of our city look forward to meeting you in the community, as well as the minimum of the department. and as we said we have a great fire department and I'm sure they're going to be excited to have a another great leader in the for the next 25 years and so we we welcome you and and Mira we're excited to have both of you here in the city as you noted to me was an average of 70 inches of snow in Rochester every year. So I'm hoping that means that you're not bringing any of that here. Or if you are, it's maybe in the 2025, and when I'm not dealing with it. But we promise you we won't have anything like that. But we're really excited to have you on board and look forward to working with you. So thank you. All right, Mr. Geary. Mr. Mayor, I move the city council. Convenient closed executive session pursuant to Virginia code sections 2.2-3711-86 to consider an investment of public funds where competition or bargaining is involved where if made public initially. the city would be adversely affected. Okay, there's motion by Councilman Geary. Seconded by Councilman Chapman. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All the favour please say nice name. Aye. All opposed to say nay. The aye's have it. We will be back at 7 p.m. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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Thank you for your patience. Madam Clerk. The consent calendar 5 through 7, sorry. We've been bouncing around. Is there a motion to approve the consent calendar items 5 through 7? Motion by Vice Mayor Jackson. Seconded by Councilman Chapman to approve the consent calendar items 537 any further discussion? Mr. Mayor you need to point I was on it. I was ready. It's ready thought I wasn't but I was ready. All right All of those in favor of the consent calendar items 537, please signify by saying aye. All opposed, say nay. The ayes have it. And for item number five, as the clerk noted, I'm appointing viewers for the vacation, the three viewers I've appointed, are Jim Capsis, Deb Ripke, and Benjamin Klein. All right, Madam Clerk. the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city approve the certificate of appropriateness for new construction at 301 North Fairfax Street. Okay, we have a staff presentation and then I'm going to allow the appellant to speak. Although my understanding is the appellant has designated someone else to speak. What I typically do on BAR appeals is obviously most people are held for the three minutes. But I allow someone representing the appellant, and in this case someone representing the applicant as much time as they will consume. But obviously being judicious about that. All right, hello. How are you? Good evening. Thank you. I'm Bill Kalki. I'm the Historic Preservation Architect in the Department of Planning and Zoning. Here to talk tonight of oops, this is the wrong one. Sorry, wrong presentation. Unless you want to talk about the vacation and I don't have any. I really don't. Are there any historic aspects to the vacation? Only in that it was historically recently approved. Yeah, there we go. There we go. I will work on the slides you can once you could read just from your presentation. Yes. Sorry. No, I'm not. We're 19. There we go. There we go. There we go. There we go. There we go. There we go. There we go. I'm going to plug the people who. It's not showing up, but just go for it. OK. Again, Bo Khonki, Historic Preservation Architect, Department of Planning and Zoning. I'd like to hear to talk about the appeal of the BAR approval of the Certificate of Preparation is for 301 North Fairfax Street. For those of you who are not familiar, here's the site. It is located at the North East corner of the intersection of Queen Street and North Fairfax Street. It's here in red. You can see in the upper right corner that's the building that's existing on the site right now. It's 1975 office building that will be demolished as part of this project. The rest of the site of the subject block right now is office buildings. You can see there's some office across the streets and retail further down to the east and then to the south and west are historic residential properties. So the BAR helped three concept reviews of this project prior to going to the planning commission and D.N. City Council for their approval of the DSUP. After the DSUP was approved, the return to the BAR on May 15th and the BAR approved the certificate of appropriateness with the vote of 4 to 2. Council tonight is considering the appeal of the certificate of appropriateness. So I'm gonna go through the design very briefly, but first I just wanna talk about that there are, the zoning ordinance talks about 10 criteria that the BAR or the council on appeal, look at to determine appropriateness when they are setting on a certificate of appropriateness, what's compatible? These criteria, talk about things like the size, scale, and mass of the building, and also architectural character, and architectural detailing. So that's where you get your guidance. And the staff report goes into detail all of this 10. Because this building is on the corner, we consider to have two facades. So the primary, more formal facade is facing Queen Street. Now, let's just see here in front of you. This is, the architecture is more formal, it's more symmetrical. It has a stone cast-on base and brick pears above. And the fourth floor is set back, both from Queen Street and from North Fairfax Street. And it is clad in a rain screen cladding material. This is the North Fairfax Street elevation. You can see coming around the corner there, you've got the language from the Queen Street elevation on the right side. So it creates kind of a three-dimensional field to it. So it doesn't avoid the assembly of facades type of field to it. And then as we go further down north for effects, it breaks into what we refer to as townhouse style elevations. These are vertical and proportioned punched windows that pick up a lot of the details that we find in the historic district. Some things, some examples of that. We've got some coreboard brick above window heads. These also feature entry stupes with a decorative brick entry stupes with metal railings, canopies, and doors with transoms and sidelines. So these are all, these are all details we find throughout the historic district, but sort of rendered in a new way on this building. historic district but rendered in a new way on this building. The board found that the proposed design was appropriate and granted the certificate of appropriateness. They looked at the size and mass and found the assembly of forms, including the setbacks at the fourth floor was appropriate for the historic district and compatible with the nearby structures, and that the architecture was appropriate, given that it has recalls elements from a found in the historic district, like I said, like the Corballing, stubs, things like that. So that it recalls a lot of those things, and so that's why they felt like the architecture was compatible. So tonight with that, staff is recommending that Council are for the decision of the BAR and approve this certificate of appropriateness and adopt these four conditions, which the BAR adopted as well. And we'd ask that you adopt them. I'm going to go through them just super quickly, just to see what they are. First one is regarding the main entrance. Like I said, the main entrance is on Queen Street. It's a very formal, very symmetrical elevation. And we typically like to see the main entry a little more prominent. That could be done through lots of ways. It could be very subtle, some differentiation in the elevation, the canopy, things like that. And we would work with the applicant to make that happen. Second is regarding the the terrorist providers. Terror providers often happen later in the project, can be distracting from the architecture, and this is just the board saying, hey, staff keep an eye on this, when it goes through as it continues to develop, make sure that the design and materials are compatible with the architecture of the building. Third one is regarding the Urains screen system. On the Queen Street and Fairfax Street elevations, it is using a product called CERICLAB, which is a rain screen system. The applicant was proposing to use a hearty panel system on the courtyard and east-facing elevation. The board felt like the CERoclatch should be used everywhere, and they made this a condition and note that the applicant agreed with this condition. And finally, this one's very technical, and we will work with the applicant as it gets further into the details, but cast-own elements that are dark color can tend to fade. And so this was just a hint that the applicant should work So, we can keep it from fading. So, with that, I think I'm done unless anyone has any questions. Thank you, Mr. Conkey. Are there any questions from Mr. Conkey? All right. Mr. Spencer, do you want to give us some comments representing the B.A.R at all? I think we can keep it from fading. So, with that, I think I'm done unless anyone has any questions. Thank you, Mr. Conkey. Are there any questions from Mr. Conkey? All right, Mr. Spencer, do you want to give us some comments representing the BAR at all? You look like you're not prepared to do that. So, but you are welcome to give us a little insight in the BAR's deliberations on this matter. And I don't know if my colleagues has any questions for you. Sure. Sorry for not giving you a little bit of warning on that. No problem. I was just thinking that other people were going to speak first. Mr. Mayor, Mr. Counsel, thank you once again. And Madam Vice Mayor, good to see you again. For this project was a tough project for the board. It was a 42 split vote. And for the members of my board, which were three technically who voted against this, even though it was a 42 and the one that actually passed, three members voted against this and the concerns that I remember were the height of the building. But when they made their motion, the motion was primarily made about moving the Queen Street facade back five feet. So the height wasn't really part of that motion if I'm mistaken, Mr. Conkey, please correct me. And so the motion that did pass was really about the board really loving this building and loving the architecture of the building. And realizing that, yes, it's a taller building, but we thought it was more of a, the area is a transitional because right behind this building is another tall building. So we thought that this was appropriate and that the details that Mr. Conkey mentioned, which were like the brick corbling and the stoop and so forth were things that harking back to our community that we felt helped make this building fit in. And in addition to the way the mass was broke down. And so there was this a bunch of Mr. Colchian, I like to call it architectural nerdy details that we really just kind of got into on this project that we really appreciated. And that last comment was actually my comment. And so that was kind of got into on this project that we really appreciate it. And that last comment was actually my comment. And so that was kind of the nerdy details we got into about, you know, making sure this building is a building that's built to last and will fit into the community for the long run. Great. Any questions? Thank you. Here's Spencer. There are any questions from Mr. Spencer. Okay. All right. We are now going to go to, let's go to Scott Corzine who is the appellant and Mr. Corzine am I right that you're going to give the, I hesitate to say I'm limited, the less limited time to misspad it on your behalf, is that correct? Yes, that's correct. Okay, all right. So, Mr. Corazon, you got you have three minutes. Go for it. Oh, I think we had you expected mispet it to make the longer presentation first. It's up to you if you wanted to go first, you can go first. Yes, I'd like that to be the case. Okay, all right like that to be the case. Okay. All right. That's fine. Ms. Pettit. My name is Nancy Pettit. I live at 103 Quay Street, as you all very well know at this point. And I am delivering on behalf of Scott Corzine, the appellate's argument against the certificate of appropriateness for three of one North Bear Facts project granted we believe in error on May 15th by the Board of Architectural Review. For the record I remind you it was a split decision as you've already heard mentioned this evening. The council should reject the certificate of appropriateness for three reasons. The first reason is that the Hoffman proposal fails five of 10 standards the Board of Architectural Review is obliged to consider when judging this certificate. The proposed building is architecturally out of place in the old and historic district. It's excessive height overwhelms the existing town homes that surround the site and average 2.5 floors as well as those we've learned that may soon replace the other buildings on this block. The proposed the city of the city. We will be doing this in a few days. We will be doing this in a few days. We will be doing this in a few days. We will be doing this in a few days. We will be doing this in a few days. We will be doing this in a few days. We will be doing this in a few days. We will be doing this in a few days. We will be doing this in a few days. We building such as this will not only do nothing to preserve or protect historic places and areas of historic interest in the city, it will down to great the beautiful historic characteristics of homes on the 200 block of North Fairfax and the 300 block of Queen. As an architectural anomaly adjacent to historic homes, one block from City Hall, the hogman proposal fails to preserve and protect the historic interest in the city. Arecting this building will lower adjacent property values as an architectural misfit in the Alexandria Historic neighborhood. It will not generate business activity or create any new employment positions that it could if it were providing the commercial use that is required to do so and that it is required to do so and the CRMUH zone which we believe was incorrectly granted because it fails these five bar standards the certificate should be rejected. In its hearing the bar was also obligated but failed to consider. One, the extent to which the building's new architectural features are historically appropriate to the existing adjacent structures. And two, the relation of some to compare the architectural features of this building to the three 1970s office buildings that occupy its entire block is illogical. The bar cannot rationally maintain that the Hoffman proposal meets the standards for architectural features that are historically appropriate to adjacent existing structures when it is common knowledge that all three existing buildings are in talks for redevelopment, as we have been warning for over here is inevitable. When the rest of this block is replete with lovely two three-story townhomes done by another developer, the Hoffman proposal will stand out like a sore thumb as a terribly overly dense architectural mistake made by the city and made by you. Because it will be fully surrounded by medium, dense, by medium density residential townhomes and one story commercial buildings that the Hoffman building will forever overwhelm. Hoffman wants the bar and the council to compare his proposal for 301 North Fairfax to the commercial buildings on the south side of the 200 block of Queen Street. We welcome this comparison, because the Hoffman proposal massively overwhelms all of them as the developers own renderings clearly show. So the council should reject the certificate of appropriateness because the proposal does not meet the bar standards for size, scale, and impact on the historic surroundings. It doesn't meet the bar standards for being historically appropriate and because its features align poorly with the features of existing and new buildings in the immediate area. There is a second reason to reject this certificate of appropriateness. The three-on-one North Fairfax site lies in both the Old Town and Waterfront Small Area Plans with design guidelines that govern new development. The Hoffman proposal fails to comport with five of the design guidelines in chapter six governing the old town's small area plan. Because one, its mask does not enable existing historic structures to maintain their primary visual importance as required. Two, because it exemplifies the very latest architectural style that is specifically discouraged in the old and historic district. Three, because it fails the test of compatibility with the characteristics of the historic district and its design fails to reflect the architectural heritage of the city as is required. And four, because it fails the requirement that multifamily residences should not overwhelm adjacent buildings. It also fails chapter eight of the design guidelines, which states, and I quote a strong preference to reflect traditional architectural styles found in the old and historic district that complement and reflect the architectural heritage of the city not transitional and use historic design elements found in the old and historic district. Boy, does it ever fail that test? Because the Hoffman proposal violates these design guidelines, the council should reject the certificate of appropriateness, as the Board of Architectural Review should have. And a few very local strong barb members, albeit the minority, try to. There was a third reason to reject the certificate of appropriateness. It was the unprecedented grant of the CRMUH zone at 301 North Fairbacks that was the single condition, condition precedent for the inappropriate size of Hoffman's proposal. And that was the root cause if it's gross violation of the mass and scale standards for new construction in the old and waterfront small area plans. The reason that the Hoffman proposal was sent back for downsizing at three consecutive bar consultative meetings is that reasonable bar members were obviously conflicted about the building's overwhelming mass and scale. They knew and know the project plan does not meet the desired guidelines for both architectural and scale reasons. I call on the council tonight to reverse the bar's mistake and reject the certificate of appropriateness for this Hoffman proposal. Demonstrate that you support citizens interest over developers. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Pedder. Next speaker is Scott Corzine. Mr. Corzine. Yes, can you hear me? We can hear you. Thank you. A good evening. I'm Scott Corzine, living at 300 Queen Street. The council should reject the certificate of appropriateness for the Hoffman proposal at 301 North Fairfax, because its scale will overwhelm the neighborhood and because it fails the bar's own standards and most of the design guidelines that govern new construction there. How did we get to this point with a luxury condominium designed to a scale that should never have gotten this far along in the city's process. I think four reasons. The Planning Commission and Council made the unprecedented decision to spot reason this lot for the sole benefit of the developer. Specifically to pave the way for the excessive scale of the building. A decision made with no city planning or coordinated development of the block where other office buildings were made to be a part of the city's plan. The of the building. A decision made with no city planning or coordinated development of the block where other office buildings are already in planning for redevelopment as we predicted as luxury townhouses that we were told we could never see there. A second reason, we got here because over the course of seven contentious bar planning and council meetings over the span of 14 months city decision makers purposefully paved the way for this outcast development by ignoring its own standards and design guidelines and rejecting the primacy of the two small area plans in which the 301 North Fair Effect property lies. We got here because the Planning Commission chair simply proclaimed that this lot needs to be a transitional building to connect it to North Old Town, ignoring that it lies two blocks south of the boundary between the two districts. This same chair excoriated the bar as having no jurisdiction over the building's mass and scale, which of course is dead wrong. And finally, we got here because neither the city, nor the developer would come to the table for a reasonable compromise, preferring to ram this development down the throats of an organized citizenry that is unanimously opposed to it and challenging an accord. So I call on the council tonight to reverse the bars mistake and reject the certificate of appropriateness, demonstrate that you support citizens interests over the interests of outside developers. Demonstrate that you support citizens' interests over the interests of outside developers. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Corazon. All right, next speaker is Alan Krinsman, followed by Anna Bergman, followed by Katie King, Ellen Mosher. Thank you, Mr. Corazon. I'm going to go to the next floor. Good evening. Good evening, Mayor Wilson and City Council members. I'm Alan Crenzman. I live at 314 North Fairfax Street directly across from this project. I respectfully ask you not to approve the certificate of appropriateness. And after this project is built, visitors and tourists will undoubtedly ask, what was the city thinking when an approved building of this size at this location? Local residents will say they don't know, but they do know that there are continued objections to this project's size, scale, mass, and lack of architectural appropriateness were repeatedly brushed aside. They also know that their reasonable request for a small reduction in the building size and square footage was rejected again and again. Why was local citizen input sidelined in favor of accommodating the profit requirements of an out-of-state developer of Luxury Condos? My impression is that once the city signed off on the developer's proposal, the size and square footage of this project became totally non-negotiable. It really was game over from day one. I have no doubt people will realize soon after completion that this oversized building degrades the unique character of Queen Street and the integrity of the historic district. The historic district deserves more than a nondescript condo that looks like any other luxury condo you will find almost anywhere. I hope future projects have 300 North Least Street and then 333 North Fairfax Street will result in better outcomes. Something other than another massive four-story and higher condo with little to no architectural appropriateness. Given the city's emphatic protoevalp or bias, however, the odds of better outcomes aren't good. I urge you to give much higher priority to legitimate concerns of local citizens and the preservation of our historic resources. Please, and fight harder to maintain the unique character that makes Alexandria a very special place to live and visit. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Kinsman. Next speaker is Anna Bergman, followed by Katie King. Is Bergman? I'm not sure if you can see the comments. Either podium is fine. I'm Katie King, not Anna Bergman. So we have Anna Bergman. I'm Katie King, not Anna Bergman. So we have Anna Bergman. I'm Katie King, not Anna Berg ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go the proposed 301 North Fairfax project that was granted in May by the Board of Architectural Review. The proposed Hoffman structure fails the most, most of the standards that the bar is obliged to apply, including design form, style, height, mass, and scale. It does the opposite of preserve and protect the historic interest of the city, which is the Barr's mission. The Hoffman proposal violates the design guidelines in the old town, a small area plan and waterfront development plan requiring that multifamily residences should quote, should quote, not overwhelm adjacent buildings. A quick glance at the architectural sketches makes clear that the proposed structure would loom over existing historic homes. To make its proposal, Hoffman relies on the council's rezoning of this single site to commercial residential mixed-used high-density zone. And we believe this violates both the letter and the spirit a section 5305 of the zoning ordinance. I call on the council to please reverse the May 15th bar ruling and reject the resulting certificate of appropriateness. Thank you. Thank you Miss King. I'm speaker Zelen Moser followed by Raymond Erzman followed by Anne Shaq followed by Matt Westover is the final speaker on the side. Good evening Mayor Wilson and members of City Council. My name is Ellen Moser 324 North St. A's of Street. Please reject bars certificate appropriateness for North St. Nase of Street. Please reject Barr's Certificate of Probreateness for 301 North Fairfax Street. A major argument for rejecting the Certificate of Appropriateness is the Barr's standard regarding height, mass, and scale. Per-barged bars guidelines, the overall architectural design, form, style, and structure, including but not limited to the height, mass, and scale of the building or the structures. I printed off color copies of page 52 of the staff report being passed around right now. As you can see on page 52, the proposed residential building height, mass, and scale overwhelmed the existing residential neighborhood of small historic row houses and historic buildings. The giant building is inappropriate in this neighborhood. Please look at the row houses on Queen Street on the top section of that page and the one level art deco building on North Fairfax Street on the bottom section. These drawings show how out of proportion this proposed residential building is with this neighborhood. And on the top section on the west side, the historic row houses, you can see how tiny those are compared to the building site. And then the office building on the east side of that building site, you can see how tiny those are compared to the building site. And then the office building on the east side of that building site, you can see it even overwhelms that office building. It's taller, bigger, it's just much, much larger, taller, and denser than the office building as well. On the lower section, you can see the office building on the north side. It's much larger than that office building and the small Art Deco historic building on the south side. It's quite a few times larger than that as well. These historic buildings will be staying in the neighborhood. They're not tear, they are not tear downs. And this proposed building will just never fit into the neighborhood because of the size. The applicant has compared this building to the existing office buildings on the same block, but the residential building is taller and denser than that too. The height, mass and scale overwhelms the neighborhood. That's it. Please reject the certificate of appropriateness. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Moser. Next speaker is Raymond Erisman followed by Anshack. My name is Raymond Erisman and I live at 230 North Royal Street. I'd like to register my appeal to the Barrist decision on 301 North Fairfax building design. The bar appeared not to follow its own criteria for mass and appropriateness in a historical and waterfront district setting. 301 North Fairfax does not comply with several of the design guidelines for the old and historic district of chapter six new construction. Specifically, it does not reflect the building massing prevailing along the block face. A four plus story building overwhelms all but four townhouses on Fairfax and Queen. The four plus story building as a solid mass does not reflect the existing heights of buildings in the immediate vicinity. Contrary to design guidelines, it will overwhelm adjacent buildings on Fairfax and Queen. Contrary to the guidelines, the solid mass of the building does not reflect the pattern of spacing between buildings on Fairfax or Queen where there are open spaces between buildings. And it also violates Alexandria design principles. As a four plus story building it should be set back from the street to minimize its visual impact on the pedestrian way. Yet the larger proposed building has been moved closer to the street yet the larger proposed building has been moved closer to the street wall on both streets. It does not reflect the scale of typical buildings in the vicinity. It is much more massive. If you're not going to follow the guidelines, why do we have them? This is not a matter of a rich homeowner saying not in my backyard. Rather, it is a deep anger that city authorities are willfully violating their own guidelines in the service of a deep pocketed developer. Virtually all of you advocated increasing the city's commercial tax base. Here we are taking an entire commercial block and making it residential. You've cited the need for more affordable housing. Yet here we are approving high price condo units for extremely poultry gains in affordable housing units. So are your priorities just words? You have an opportunity to do something with a block in a commercial and perhaps affordable housing way that supports your waterfront small area plan. We eject the certificate of proponious and consider carefully how the block will actually enhance the old town experience. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Erasmun. Next speaker is Anne Shack, followed by Matt Westovers, the final speaker on the side. Shack. Westovers, the final speaker on the side. Check. Good evening. Unfortunately, my speech got disappeared when I went to fill out the speaker form, but I still have a few comments I can make. My first question to you is, are you looking to get rid of the BAR? I mean, BAR rejected this project three times in addition to all of the community meetings. Why are you now going to allow the certificate of appropriateness for something that doesn't fit size, mass, architecturally, or notice that it doesn't fall within the old town zoning requirements or the waterfront plan. So I do ask you, why are you looking to go forward with this when it doesn't even fit your own guidelines? Are you really going to get rid of the BAR? Is that what this is all about? Thank you. The BAR approved this project, Ms. Shek. Next speaker is Elizabeth Hader. Sorry, Matt Westrover followed by Elizabeth Hader, and then we have Sharon Joan Frazier, so we have some additional speakers. Sign up, Mr. Westover. Good afternoon, Mayor Wilson, vice mayor Jackson, members of council. My name is Matt Westover. I'm with Walsh Kaluci and Lou Bly. I'm here on behalf of the applicant tonight. Ms. Buscar couldn't be here, so is my pleasure to be before this council. Mr. Mayor, I know there are two additional speakers that have signed up. I don't know if you would like me to speak at the end on behalf of the applicant. I'm happy to have you hold off if you would like to. I would like to thank you. All right, Elizabeth Hader, followed by Sharon Jones. Sharon Jones Freezer. Hi, yes, thank you. My name is Elizabeth Heiter, and I am a fellow of the American Institute of Architects at the beginning of my career. I practiced for 10 years as a historic preservation architect. And during my studies, I had an opportunity to visit Savannah, to visit Charleston cities that in many ways are similar in terms of their historic importance in half to Alexandria. And what I saw there as a student had deeply, deeply disturbed me. In fact, it was that experience that really set me on my course to begin my career as a historic preservation architect. And that was the destruction of the fabric of these very beautiful, important historic environments. So I am opposed to this approval because I'm really concerned that this could just be the beginning of a very, very slippery slope where the context and the fabric of the city is no longer important. And that we lose that thing, which is from an aesthetic and architectural perspective, so important to drawing tourists, to engaging the community around a place that is bigger than self. I say that also against the context that later in my career, I worked for one of the largest construction and development companies in the United States. It's not that I'm against development, but I'm very much pro the preservation of the fabric of our beautiful city. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Heider. Next speaker is Sharon Jones, Frazier. Ms. Frazier? Oh, okay, different item. Okay, we will take care of that. Okay, so Mr. Westover. Thank you again, Mr. Mayor. Again, my name is Matt Westover on behalf of the applicant. With me tonight is Lee Hong who can certainly answer any architectural questions to the extent there are any that Council may have. City staff has done what we believe is an excellent job reviewing the application, reviewing its consistency with all of the factors in the zoning ordinance for the issuance of a certificate of appropriateness. We agree with that analysis. We also agree with the proposed conditions that staff has recommended just like the BAR did. As chair Spencer articulated tonight, this was a case that the BAR thoroughly reviewed. They considered all of the factors that you have heard tonight, and ultimately they approved the certificate of appropriateness. And there is ample information in the record that we would submit should lead you to affirm the decision of the BAR. However, I believe your job is even simpler than that tonight. And that's because we are here on an appeal of the BAR. However, I believe your job is even simpler than that tonight. And that's because we are here on an appeal of the BAR's decision. The city's zoning ordinance requires an appellant where a permit has been approved to state the basis for that appeal. That is unlike a situation where a certificate of appropriateness is denied. And that circumstance, the appellant does not have to articulate the basis of the appeal. And when it becomes before this council, it is effectively a denover review of whether that permit should be considered. In this case, that's not what we have. And the zoning ordinance is clear that the appellant has to state the basis of the appeal. And they did that and staff did have a slide in the presentation about the sole basis of the appeal here tonight. I can repeat that. I believe the council has had an opportunity to see it. But it says, quote, the basis of this appeal is that it is not in the public interest for the site to be demolished and stand empty while legal action taken by plaintiffs in Alexandria Circuit Court challenging the city's fundamental interpretation of section 5-305 of the zoning ordinance has not yet been fully adjudicated in state appellate court. That's important because our position would be that's what this council should consider here tonight, whether that basis is appropriate for the, to reverse the BAR, we'd submit that it's not for a number of reasons. First, whether or not there is a lawsuit pending that Mr. Corzine and others filed that has since been dismissed by the Alexander circuit court, that's not an appropriate factor for the BAR to consider. Nor would we submit that it's an appropriate factor for this council to consider. In addition, the arguments a lot of them that you've heard tonight about height, mass scale, et cetera, the true architectural considerations, those were never raised in their petition to appeal this within 14 days as the zoning orange requires. And as a result, we'd submit that those arguments are waived. However, even if you were to consider the merits of the certificate of appropriateness, as staff has articulated, there is ample evidence in this record for why this project complies with all of the factors in the zoning ordinance. In addition, we have heard a couple new arguments. I would submit tonight. One is that somehow this is inconsistent with the design guidelines of the old town small area plan and the waterfront small area plan design guidelines. Those are irrelevant. They're irrelevant because the zoning ordinance identifies the 10 factors that the BAR is supposed to consider. Here tonight again you are sitting to review that decision of the BAR. In the zoning ordinance says, you are to consider the factors that the BAR considered. So those design guidelines of the small area plans are not appropriate consideration. The additional arguments we heard tonight again relate to the interpretation of the zoning ordinance, the approval of the rezoning for this project, the approval of the DSUP, which is the subject of a lawsuit that was already dismissed in May by the Alexandria Circuit Court. Again, we do not believe that that is an appropriate thing to consider when addressing this certificate of appropriateness. For all those reasons, we would ask the council affirm the decision of the BAR subject to the conditions imposed by staff or recommended by staff Thank you. Okay. Are there any questions for mr. Westover? All right, is there a motion to close the public hearing? Motion by vice mayor Jackson seconded by Councilman Eguiri. Is that a councilman Eguiri second? No Councilman Chao and someone All right Councilman E in the Geary, I'll go with that. Okay. Any further discussion of closing the public hearing? Hearing none, I was in favor, please can only say an aye. I, I'll put a say an aye. The ayes have it. Councilman McPike. Thank you. I appreciate the comments from the public as well as the applicant's attorney. Just a couple of questions for staff from fast. The four conditions that we have here, is this normal for bar to propose these sorts of things when issuing a separate appropriateness? Yes, this is quite standard. On a project like this, which is a development project, there's quite a lot of details, obviously. And some of these details don't really become fully flushed out until later on in the development of the design, sometimes around construction documents, things like that. So these are the types of recommendations that the B.A.R. typically puts on to projects to ensure that some of these items are tracked and made sure that they find it to be important. So yes, that's something that's... And these are items that they feel that building needs in order to meet that standard of the park. Correct. But the fundamental questions regarding size, massing, those sorts of things, those have been addressed by the bar in their discussions. Correct. And looking at the staff report on this item, there's a pretty thorough discussion about those concerns during the bar consideration. And the final edification during the bar consideration. And the final litigation of the bar who we empowered to make these decisions on the appropriateness scale and size of the building was to approve the proposal. That is correct, yes. Yeah, so I do think it's important to note that we have to factually correct that bar did approve this, which is why we have this appeal here. And I know that might be some more discussion, but just in the sake of moving things forward, I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to move forward. I I think it's very clear what we have in front of us and I don't want to relitigate anything, but just for the public's awareness for some of the issues that were brought up, we went into very much detail around all of these things at the January 20th public hearing, so I just throw that out there for folks that might be confused as to why we're not giving more commentary at this time. Thank you, Councilman McGuery. Other comments? Councilmember Bagley. Just one quick note I would encourage any of the public who are interested in listening and following this to read Judge Kamler's opinion in the Circuit Court. She did a very thorough, and I thought plain language analysis of our application of the CRUM zone to this project and the FAR analysis. And so while there's a host of discussions being had here, it's a good letter opinion. It's only like three or four pages long and I think it's a useful guide for people who don't spend their time, you know, admittedly members of the public considering zoning application and interpretation. Okay, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please excuse me, saying aye. Aye. All opposed? Aye. I have a question hearing none. All those in favor, please remain saying aye. Aye. All opposed, aye. The aye's have it six to one. All right, Madam Clerk number 20. Special use permit 2024-00143950 Wheeler Avenue. Client commission action recommended approval 5-0. Okay, we have a short presentation and we have a couple speakers signed up. Or do we need a short presentation? All right, well, we have two speakers signed up, so we will go to that then. If you guys don't want the presentation, look at him. He's now you just rejected him. He's sitting there. He's ready for the presentation. I mean, guys, consider someone else's feelings occasionally. All right, we're going to have what you order. Would you like to do this, Mr. Butcher? Mr. Riley, who wants to go first? Mr. Riley, all right. Maybe both signed up. Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor of Ice Mayor Jackson members of City Council. I'm Lauren Riley of Walsh College. We represent the applicant, Port City. We've got Mr. Butcher here tonight, who will speak in just a moment. But I think you're all pretty familiar with the Port City brewery site there on Wheeler Avenue. As it's become quite the community staples, become very popular over the years. And I'll try not to steal Mr. Butcher's Thunder. But it's one, quite many awards and accolades over the years for their beer that they produce there at that location at Willar Avenue. And it's really something that's put Alexandria on the map with that national global recognition. It's a destination for people in and outside of Alexandria to come to the site. And thankfully, they have a tasting room. They have a great outdoor dining area for folks to come and enjoy their their products While they while they visit the brewery and something that's Become more and more of a desire even after cove is the need for food at the brewery if you go To any other competing breweries in the area they they have food Port city today has food trucks that come on the site quite frequently and they're able to serve food but at limited times, limited quantity. So in order to meet this demand and enhance the customer experience for Alexandrians, we're proposing a temporary trailer here to allow for the cooking and serving of food on site. Because that existing building that's mainly used for manufacturing production, to allow for the cooking and serving of food on site. Because that existing building that's mainly used for manufacturing production, a beer doesn't have enough room for a commercial kitchen on site. So in order to provide reliable, consistent food service for customers, they do need to have this temporary trailer on site to cook and serve that food. And this is a wholly appropriate location for this type of use in this trailer in an industrial zone. And so we agree with staff's analysis in their report that this is an appropriate use and appropriate location for that use. We also propose the conditions as originally drafted. By staff, we do not support the amendment to condition three that was proposed by the Planning Commission members as it appears to limit or restrict the expiration of the special use permit. And it's not the same standard condition language that's been afforded to other restaurants in Del Rey and in Old Town, they all have the same standard condition language that staff has drafted for this case in condition three, re-request the same here. The rules should not be more restrictive in an industrial zone than they are for restaurants in Old Town and Del Rey. And then with that, I'll now hand it over to Mr. Butcher, who'll tell you a little bit more about the site, what they're doing here and the with that I'll now hand it over to Mr. Butcher, who will tell you a little bit more about the site, what they're doing here and the investment that they put into it, and we're both available for questions. Thank you, Mr. Riley. Mr. Butcher. Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Vice Mayor Jackson and members of Council. We chose 14 years ago to locate Port City Brewing in industrial zoning so that we could function by right with our manufacturing and warehousing. We have large trucks in and out, up and down, Wheeler Avenue all the time, so it was appropriate for us. We've become a destination, despite our industrial location, not by the railroad tracks. We drive tourism with our strong reputation in the community and the awards that we've won for our beer. Speaking of our awards, we are the most awarded brewery at the Virginia Craft beer cup with 24 medals. Our national recognition with 14 Great American Beer Festival awards and the 2015 small brewery of the year. International awards include five world beer cup medals, including the 2024 gold medal for optimal wit, our best selling beer. The ECO City Alexandria program where the only gold level business currently in the city of Alexandria with the gold certification. And just last week we learned that we were awarded by the Alexandria beautification committee, the Alexandria Alexandria beautification committee, the Alexandria Commercial beautification award for 2024. So we're very proud of that. Our customers have told us that they won't reliable and consistent food service, not just weekend and evening food trucks, and we're planning to invest substantial capital to meet this demand and to grow our business. We've thoroughly explored all the options and a full commercial kitchen in our building is not feasible. Having the cooking done in a trailer where we do build out a prep kitchen inside the building, that works and it's consistent with our industrial zone location. If you drive up in NW Avenue, you'll currently see dozens of trailers connected to each of the warehouses up and down Wheeler Avenue. So given the fact that we are in industrial zoning, we were a bit surprised at this whole process and the limitations that would be put on us. But here we are in this process. So the problem is that the Planning Commission but here we are in this process. So the problem is that the Planning Commission ignored precedent last week with its wording change and is trying to require us to build out a commercial kitchen in the brewery within the five years of the SUP and not being able to renew it after five years. Commissioner Lyle stated that she singled out our project because she doesn't like the existing rule on temporary trailers and how many have been approved recently, and the public hearing she stated that trailers are not good for the commercial tax base. If anything, eye zoning should have fewer restrictions, but all we're asking for is approval, on at least the same basis as other existing SUVs that exist in residential areas. We should at least have the chance to extend beyond five years if we choose to, given this is substantial investment we have made and continue to make in order for Port City Brewing Company to thrive and serve our customers, which we believe benefits the entire city. I guess amount of time. But we ask that you approve our SEP with the wording as we submitted it and we can't see any conceivable negative impact on our proposal. Thank. with the wording as we submitted it, and we can't see any conceivable negative impact on our proposal. Thank you, Mr. Butcher. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? Motion by Vice Mayor Jackson, seconded by Councilman Chapman. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please can we say aye? Aye. I'll post say nay. The ayes have it. Vice Mayor Jackson. Thank you. If staff could elaborate, I understand that it wasn't you all but the Planning Commission. I guess my concern is why would the Planning Commission think that I understand you're not Planning Commission. But in terms of what staff presented for wording versus why the Planning Commission would present that own wording. Do you have any thought on that? Yes, from staff. I don't think your mic is real. There we go. Sorry, from planning commission's comments, it seems like the stressing the issue of temporary. They viewed that such trailers being there for multiple years and being renewed renewed is more permanent, not really it has a temporary structure. That was kind of Commissioner Laos' main point. Thank you, I appreciate that. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to, sorry. I was going to do it. OK. OK, to make a motion to approve the application submitted Sorry, I was going to do it. Okay. Okay. To make a motion to approve the application submitted by the applicant without the wording of the planning commission. So this is the staff recommendation, the original staff recommendation without the additional language that was added by the planning commission. There's a motion by Vice Mayor Jackson, seconded by Council Member Bagley. Other discussion, Councilman Chapman and Councilman Gascans. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I apologize because the conversation kind of got away from me, but it did need to make a disclosure. Oh, yes. I thought I forgot three different times. Thank you. Sorry about that, Mr. Chapman. Thank you. I'd like to disclose that within the last 12 months, I've received an in-kind campaign contribution in excess of $100 from Port City Brewery, who is the owner of the property involved in this transaction. I've discussed this with the city attorney and pursuant to state and local law. I'm able to vote on this item because I am able to participate in this transaction fairly objectively and in the public interest. And now a proper disclosure has been made. I intend to participate and vote on this transaction. Thank you. Councillor Chaplin. I'm sorry about missing you on that. Councillor Wombon and Gascans. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I know in the briefing we talked about in the fall, they'll be potentially a broader set of recommendations about how we think about these trailers overall. I think in there, it would be helpful if there was some analysis on kind of the lessons learned from the conversations we've had. It was just related to food trailers, but I remember the DHL trailer both defines like temporary and what we mean in terms of a number of years begins to look at sizing but then also begins to look of a number of years, begins to look at sizing, but then also begins to look at the use of these, I think, I mean, in the past month we've had multiple different trailers all being used by different things. So I look forward to more detailed guidance, but I am really hoping that it captures some of these specific breakdowns. So then in the future we're not kind of debating the definition, but we do have standard conditions that we can always continue to use and the process becomes predictable. Yes. The Karl Moritz plain director and we will follow that to the approach. Thank you Councillor Gaskins. Any additional Councillor Mabaglia? I just wanted to sort of second and kind of reaffirm that the desire to see, because what I appreciate about the applicant here too, is that they're being very forthright, that they're going to invest significant resources into something that ideally they wouldn't even present, you know, as a temporary addition given the nature of their building and their operation and what they're trying to achieve. And so they are following the process available to them at present, but it would be interesting to know if in the future there could be a different process potentially when this temporary approval is the time is up, rather than coming back for another potentially temporary. One, if this has proven successful, they apply for whatever different version of our policy that allows for something more permanent or that allows for longer time frames. And the only other point I wanted to make just to reassure the community and we talked about this trailer will still conform with all of our safe, food service regulations. It will be code enforcement, can check on it if it's in disrepair or if there's concern about safety and hygiene, all of those would still apply to the structure as my understanding, even if it's a temporary trailer. So just wanted to confirm for the community, I think that by approving this, we're not waving any of those health and safety and, you know, general appearance obligations. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Bagley. Councilman Chaplin. Just a brief word, I think, you know, us continue to normalize what happens in our industrial areas. I think is key. You know, I think as we grow into much more of an urban city, people are going to live right next to the industrial area. They're going to cross into it. They're going to do business in it. But they need to understand that it is those spaces in our city where we are allowing for kind of flexibility, especially when it comes to commercial and industrial uses. And so I think this is another opportunity to kind of broadcast that. That in the industrial area, things are going to be different. And that's the way it's supposed to be. Thank you. Okay. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please go to my saying aye. Aye. All opposed, aye. The ayes have it. Congratulations. Thank you. Madam Clerk, number 21. Development Special Use permit 2024-100002. 2927 and 2957 Eisenhower Avenue, Planning Commission Action recommended approval 5-0. Okay, there are no speakers signed up for this. There's a motion by Councilman McGarry to close the public hearing and approve the Planning Commission's recommendation. Okay, motion to close the public hearing and approve the Planning Commission's recommendation. Second, motion to close the public hearing and approve the Planning Commission's recommendation. Second. Second by Councilwoman Gaskins. Any? Well, she's seconded once it would got the motion got fully formed. So she gets mad at me for not ignoring the left side of the day. All right, there's a motion to second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please be nice to say. And I. further discussion. You're in none. All those in favor, please be nice saying aye. Aye. All opposed. Say nay. The ayes have it. Madam Clerk, number 22. Thank you for all your hard work and the presentation. Special use from mid 2024-003-201 East Delray Avenue, 207-2213 Mount Vernon Avenue. Plane Commission Action recommended a and the committee will be in the next one. We have a couple of speakers signed up. Let's do a short staff presentation and then we'll get to the speakers. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. the All right. Good evening members of City Council. My name is Patrick Solver. I've been Planner with the Department of Planning and Zoning. Here this evening to present you the special Use Permit request relating to the restaurant known as Gustav's Belongery and Brasery as well as associated outdoor dining area known as Les and for us to be able to have a look at the area that we are going to be looking at in the area. The subject site is involved in this request are two contiguous parcels of records separately addressed as 2213 in avenue being the northern most parcel that is developed with the two story commercial building as well as 227 mountain avenue which is currently undeveloped with any buildings and serves as the outdoor dining area at the center of this request. Primarily, commercial uses surround the site while residential uses are also found to the east beyond the Mount Vernon Avenue commercial corridor. As for the request itself, the applicant, Abdurahim Musaev is requesting after the fact, especially use permanent approval, to increase the amount of outdoor dining volume present at the site from its current total of 40 to a proposed 104 seats, as well as permission to operate outdoor recreation entertainment uses at the approved restaurant. These include a children's play sandbox, a botchy court, as well as a dog play area. The applicant's goal is to create a family friendly community gathering space in the heart of the Delray corridor, proposed operational hours of 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. for all of the aforementioned use elements. The number of patrons at any one time is not expected to exceed more than 150 between the indoor restaurant as well as the outdoor dining area and outdoor recreation entertainment uses. The proposed configuration of the outdoor dining and outdoor dining as well as recreation uses can be seen on this site graphic here, with the outdoor dining distributed partially between the 2213 site with some seats located adjacent to the building, and the majority located in the outdoor dining area. This also shows that the Batchee court here is closely located to the eastern portion of the 2207 site with the children's sandbox roughly located in the center of the site,, the planning commission did unanimously recommends approval of the special use permit request with conditions included to mitigate noise, common for outdoor uses, and to ensure that parking, the parking requirement is being met by providing requisite off-street parking within a thousand feet of the subject site. And the plan was to provide a proper permit request with conditions included to mitigate noise, common for outdoor uses, and to ensure that parking, the parking requirement is being met by providing requisite off-street parking within a thousand feet of the subject site. In addition, with your approval of docket item 9 this evening as well, the second reading and final passage of zoning text amendment, the proposed recreation entertainment uses are now permitted as a requestable special use permit use in the CL and not for an urban overlay zones. And that concludes the staff presentation, but I'm available for any questions you might have. Great. Thank you for the presentation. Any questions for staff by Smare Jackson. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. Could you just address whether or not the off-leash dog concern, most not concern yet? Challenge is just for a certain portion of this the process. The process is a process that is not a process that is not a process that is not a process. The process is not a process. The process is not a process. The process is not a process. The process is not a process. The process is not a process. The process is not a process. The process is not a process. and at least in part. So the proposed off leash dog area that was reflected in the request made in the application would just be a portion of the outdoor recreation entertainment uses occupying approximately 800 square feet on the southern portion of the site. So that would not proposed, the entire site would not be proposed to accommodate off leash dogs. So if something were to happen, how is it enforced? If dogs will be off-leash. So in addition to the special use permit conditions that are in the staff report, one's including, for example, that the applicant develop a policy for safe and impact for use of all these outdoor recreation entertainment features. So as it's been indicated by the applicant, they are not currently using the area as an off leash dog play area that actually does require a state level health department variance. And in that variance approval, there would be very specific conditions for the use of that dog play area that would include a number of public safety measures as well as caps on total amount of dogs, that sort of thing. Okay. And does that also include a contact? So the requirement to have a staff liaison that whose contact information would be provided nearby property owners is actually something that's codified in the SUP itself. So should that be approved, that is a requirement of the SUP? This is intended to address a situation in which incidental issues might arise. That way the property owners have a direct line of contact to the applicant to the business owners to get those issues remedied. Should they arise as soon as possible? Thank you for the answer. Thank you, Vice President Jackson. All right, we're gonna go now to public testimonies. Sorry, I lost my sheet here. Do you wanna go first, Mr. Valleier? I'm gonna go at the end. Okay, there's only two. So, Gail Reuter, where's Gail? Hi. Good evening members, Mayor and members of council. My name's Gail Reuter and I'm here to speak in favor of the applicant as a homeowner in Delray for over 40 years. I happened to serve on the committee that actually developed the Mountburn and Avenue business area plan that was adopted in 2005. And at that time, almost 20 years ago, if we could have dreamed this big, this business would have been exactly what we would have dreamed this big, this business would have been exactly what we would have hoped to have been on the avenue. It's a perfect gathering place for neighbors, families, dog owners, and anyone who enjoys getting to be outside. And on top of that, they have great food and great coffee. From the moment Karim and his beautiful family opened their doors, they have become much loved neighbors. I love that they have hired local kids. I love that they have stepped up to be part of the many events we do and that they have already partnered with so many nonprofits to help raise needed funds. While I'm not an immediate neighbor, I do live at 110 East Del Rey, which is next to the St. Amos, across the street from Del Rey, Pizzeria, and Cadi Corner to Gustafs. When walking by, while I may hear lots of neighbors greeting neighbors and kids laughing, and is there anything better than hearing kids laughing? I have not seen any adverse impact either through noise, litter, or traffic. I know you've gotten strong letters of support from DRBA, DRCA, and many neighbors. I wanted to, again, I did this at the planning commission, but I wanted to thank city staff again for their understanding and working with the applicant as they brought their SUV up to date and have gone through the process to officially make these changes. I hope you support their SUV as they requested and we look forward to a long and wonderful friendship between Gustavs and I'll write. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Duncan Blair. Is he turning for the applicant? I will answer questions. This is a great project to be involved in. I get to tell you my daughter and my six-month-old granddaughter go here after yoga. It is a great place for young parents to go to to get together and have fun. So that is a pleasure to be here. Do you want to let you know that today the health are going to prove our dog free area in the restaurant? Probably not many of you know there is a dog free permit required to have restaurants on leave and the restaurant provisions. We are not applying for state license. When one starts looking at a business model, start looking at business responsibilities, off leash, imposes some obligations and commitments and responsibilities that really were not needed at this location. That little enclosed area will allow only dogs and toddlers to run and then enclosed area and have fun. So I think this is a great project. Please be part of and be glad to answer any questions. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Player. All right. Is there a motion to close the public hearing and improve the planning commission's recommendation? Moved. Motion by Councilman Chapman. Seconded by Councilman Gaskins. Any further discussion? You're going gonna roll right now, right? It's two. They're not getting another one tonight. All right, there's a motion to second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All of those say aye. You guys have it. Thank you. Congratulations. All right. Madam Clerk, number 23. Development Special. Use permit 2024-1004 107 and 125 north west street both west street town homes playing commission action recommended approval five to one Okay, we do have a number of speakers signed up. Let's go and do a staff presentation. We'll deal with any questions and then we'll get to the speakers Hello We'll get to the speakers. Hello. Good evening, Mayor Wilson and members of Council. For the record, my name is Catherine Miliaris with the Department of Planning and Zoning. The applicant 125 Northwest Street LLC opposed to redevelop the existing two parcels at 107 and 125 Northwest Street with 13 new residential units. the city of New York, and the city of New York and the city of New York and the city of New York, and the city of New York, and the city of New York, and the city of New York, and the city of New York, and the city of New York, and the city of New York, and the city of New York, and the city of New York, and the city of New York, to a variety of different uses, including retail and commercial, educational and residential townhouses, both historic and modern. The project is in the Braddock Metro neighborhood plan and the Braddock Road Metro Station's small area plan boundaries, and is adjacent to the city's two local historic districts. The site plan shows the nine street facing townhouses in the four semi-detached units accessed from the new private drive. The project includes a new curb cut on northwest street and the removal of an existing curb cut along Cameron Street. The new northwest street curb cut shown on the lower left part of the screen will be right in, right out only, and we'll have an extended bullbout to improve pedestrian safety and minimize vehicular conflicts. The project includes a variety of open space, including a publicly accessible space at the corner with a bench, some private, at-grade open space for residents, as well as rooftop decks for all units. Each townhouse will have a garage with one standard and one compact parking space. The public alley to the south will be enlarged to meet city standards. Architecturally, the dwelling units are well designed and consistent with a variety of different building styles within the vicinity. They are compatible with the transitional nature of this particular block, which features the commercial core of King Street to the South and more residential uses to the north. The buildings will be primarily constructed of brick with a limited use of synthetic materials largely located on interior elevations. The sloped, gable roof forms are compatible with the neighborhood and historic development patterns. As is common with in-ville developments, there is a special use permit and three modifications associated with this project. The special use permit is for lots without frontage. This SUP request necessitates a DSUP for the project. Without this request, the project would have been processed as a development site plan. The applicant reached out to nearby property owners and hosted a community meeting at the site. The well-attended meeting included representatives from three civic associations and several neighbors. City staff were available at the meeting to answer any questions and spoke with several residents. As with all projects, we like to highlight certain areas like stormwater and schools as well as transportation improvements. Regarding stormwater, the project is improving current conditions through reduced imperviousness and an underground BMP structure. The transportation improvements include wider sidewalks and a bump out at the corner of northwest and Cameron streets. The city will also receive increased taxes over the current taxes collected. Benefits associated with the project include the replacement of obsolete office buildings and surface parking with dwelling units units enhanced streetscapes and an open space with a public access easement, high quality architecture, green building policy compliance, and monetary contributions to bike share affordable housing in public art funds. with that staff recommends approval of the project subject to the project conditions and the additional amendment to condition 105G as explained in the update memo earlier today. Thank you. Thank you Ms. Miller. All right. Are there any questions for our staff? All right. Let's go to public testimony. We have a number of speakers signed up. Let's go with Kendall Winsguard, followed by Susan Barclay, followed by William Schriver, Dino Drudy, Sharon Jones, Frazier, Sharon Jones Frazier, and then Duncan Blair, the attorney for the applicant. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Madam Vice Mayor, members of the applicant. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Madame Vice Mayor, members of the council. My name is Kendall Wainsgard. My address for the record is 1-1-2 North Payne Street. I urge the council to deny the application or at a minimum defer and return to the staff for further assessment. In advance of this meeting, I've submitted a detailed summary laying out numerous interconnected concerns with the committee recommendation below. There are many open questions. Fundamentally, for this application, does it make sense as designed? In Commissioner Brown's well-reasoned descent, he highlighted some key concerns and he was clear. If this goes to the council, I want them to understand this project not warrant my approval. And further, I want council to know that project not warrant my approval. And further, I want council to know that not everybody sees it the same way. So why did the staff suddenly and so dramatically change its opinion to move the curb cut that already exists on Cameron, away from Cameron to Northwest? Why did the staff suddenly diverge from what it considered a fundamental issue and how does staff become comfortable despite crucial misgivings. Why disturb the existing design with an inferior layout that directs traffic to a priority walking street on the Braddock Road Metro plan? So close in intersections shared by Jefferson House and School. Why divert access to a single street when there's currently access on two? Why provide a less than optimal layout for emergency vehicles? Even if it's technically feasible, shouldn't we strive for best possible? Regarding traffic, do we really want to jam up King Street with even more traffic that must route one direction on west just to access this development? What is the expected reality of how traffic pattern will work here? Is it really reasonable to expect expected vehicles will obey the right and right out rather than a tip to shortcut? I mean this is out of the xanter it, right? I mean, can't it? Why shift even more vehicles to the King and West intersection that is already dangerous and packed when it's not necessary to do so? What will be the practical effect for cars, bikes and pedestrian? Doesn't safety demand more? And regarding fit, is it really in the best interest of the community to have unit heights that massively overwhelm the existing location? Commissioners, manner and brown both use that description, massive. 8, 10, 12 years from now, what will this area of the King Street Court or look like if the height of these units becomes a precedent? Won't future building follow suit? And why are we going to shift the baseline? Why is the application made no provision for the existing permanent property division, meaning the wall of 107 Northwest, has been there for decades? Why should that not be a part of this design? And regarding process, is this really the record that Council wants to proceed on? Given the speed and unresolved questions, is this record, as it stands, something that makes sense for the city attorney to be addressing with the circuit court for the next 10 or 12 months, or even more? When these open questions isn't there more that should be done developed and considered? In summary, if the council shares many summary even just one of these same questions in the path forward should be clear Postpone this for further study I Understand the goal of increasing housing opportunities in Alexandria, but that is not incompatible with housing that is duly considered and Well thought out. Thank you. Thank you. I was trying to Next speaker is Susan Barcl followed by William Schreiber. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and the, yes, hello. Can you hear me? Yep, can you hear me? Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and the members of the City Council for the opportunity to discuss this potential project. This is Susan Barkhell and I own 114 North P 23 as my remodel project had a appeal. Once purchasing the property in June of 22, we had plans to remove the 1970 exterior to restore as much as possible the 1870 look of when the house was built. The approval process took 14 months. One of the main reasons for us purchasing this house was because of the backyard. We're. The approval process took 14 months. One of the main reasons for us purchasing this house was because of the backyard. We're moving from Michigan with 15 acres of property and privacy was of the utmost importance. After many months of searching for a suitable property, we found 114 North Payne. It has a wall that defines the backyard offering in closed privacy and security. The backyard looks like a lovely European garden. It has a view of defines the backyard offering in close privacy and security. The backyard looks like a lovely European garden. It has a view of the Alexandria cityscape and the George Washington, Masonic temple. If this project goes through that view and feel will cease to exist, that is what provides the uniqueness to this house and certainly part of the value. Saying all of this, my ask is to delay the approval in order to properly evaluate the major concerns. If a delay cannot occur, then I would ask the council to request the project to owner in writing to directly address the wall that outlines the back of the properties of 110, 112, 114 and 116 North Pane Street. These are the residents that are directly impacted as the property line is that wall. They're currently, if nothing in the project plan that addresses the border of their properties and the new construction once the property is demolished and after development occurs. Also include a request for a height variance to be evaluated not only during construction but after. I understand that this would require a variance, but other variants request for this project have been granted by the planning commission. This won't mitigate all of the issues as the balconies of the new 45 foot townhouses will be able to appear into my backyard and residences in that this project aligns with. Nor will it provide release from relief from the lack of view. In closing, I'm asking you to put yourself in the position of those homeowners who felt competent that the unique character of old town neighborhood would be retained due to all the building restrictions that are enforced, that my husband and I adhered to, and we supported in order to live in this town. I appreciate the time today and look forward to some resolution. Thank you, Ms. Barkle. Next speaker is William Schreiber, followed by Dino Drudy, followed by Sharon Jones Frazier. Good evening, and thank you for the opportunity to address the council. My name is William Schreiber. My wife and I own 103 and 105. Northwest Street we've resided there for the past eight years. We are primary residences directly adjacent to the proposed project and therefore we're among those to be most likely directly impacted by the project. And with that said, we'd like to offer our strong support for approval moving forward of the project as expeditiously as possible. We are, we very much appreciate the developers outreach to the community. He knocked on doors. He invited us over to talk about parking, to talk about utilities. It's the kind of neighbor that we hope they will be in the future as well. We're thrilled with the design to be frank with you. We think it's very much in character for the neighborhood. We think it's an improvement quite frankly on office space that was an underutilization in the past. One of the neighbors on West Street is the architect who designed this and he'll be looking at it every day from his office windows. So we're confident they've done a great job with the design. And when we think of other uses that have been proposed for this space, that might be easier for developers, say condos or a hotel. We think that this is a much better use, more suitable use for this up-and-coming neighborhood that will help inject some much-needed livelihood, residential, economic activity into the neighborhood. And so for that reason, we ask that you move forward to approve this project as soon as possible. We know that several other neighbors on West Street feel this way and have submitted testimony in written form for the council's consideration tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Trevor. Next speaker is Dino Drudy, followed by Sharon Jones Frazier. Mr. Drudy. Thank you. In three minutes is fine because the West Old Town Citizens Association has had considerable discussion about this. It even came up at the federation. But we do not have a concrete position. I'm the president of the association. The developer has done a fabulous job of reaching out to us to five stars. But there is concern because this project is at the border of our citizens association area. There is some concern about the same concerns that Commissioner Brown had that let him to vote against it. There's some concern about the 45 feet, which we understand from what Rob Kern said at the Federation. five feet, which we understand from what Rob Kern said at the federation. They only get the 45 feet. They would otherwise get 35 feet if they do roof lines and fenestration and all those architectural things in such a way so as to not overwhelm everything about it. So there is some concern about the height overwhelming the much smaller structures across the street and creating a precedent for future development in that neighborhood. So if you approve it this evening, we would hope that you would do something to at least give some opportunity to rework the design, so that the 45 feet will not be as overwhelming. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Judy. Next speaker is Sharon Jones Frazier, followed by Duncan Blair, who's the attorney for the applicant. That's Frazier. Good evening all. Good evening. My name is Sharon Jones Frazier. I live at 1325 Cameron Street. I did not know of the townhouse project until a neighbor advised me of a meeting which I attended. I was overwhelmed when I heard 13 townhouses would be built with a selling price of $2 million each. I thought of parking issues, even though garages would be included. Some people in this meeting seemed thrilled about this project. Changes long ago come to Alexandria. However, this project seems out of place for this community. I'm concerned about ever increasing taxes. Most importantly, what about affordable and low income housing? I am a retired registered public health nurse and work for this city for 33 years. I'm concerned about people who work here, but cannot live here. I have lived here for 77 years, the home of my grandmother built in 1897. I'm against this project. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Frazier. Thanks for your service to the city for so long. Mr. Blair, attorney for the applicant. Good evening. I'm Duncan Blair, Lauren Calum, Carolyn Blair, here on behalf of this project. There's a certain irony to this project. The irony is this project was planned by Harlan Crowe and his company as a town dance project and was actually approved in the late 80s, early 90s. At point in time, there was a Renaissance and Alexandria as associations were coming in and establishing their national headquarters. Fast-flute forward, there is now an exodus of national associations back into the district, leaving buildings like this, not a stellar building, but a functional building. of national associations back into the district, leaving buildings like this, not a stellar building, but a functional building, as no longer viable for commercial office use. The site was looked at for schools, it was deemed by a minority who owns the building, as not the use that it was a functional use, but it would prefer to see housing here. We were fortunate enough to work with Michael Winspanley to get the warehouse in a rear and then to incorporate it into the project, take care of that property in the future. Be glad to talk about the rear wall in a moment. So what we have is an Enfield Residential Project. It's an interesting project. It's a tweener between the historic districts, but it is not in the historic district, but we've worked very closely with the staff of the preservation group to come up with an architecture that's compatible and consistent with other uses. Count has projects recently approved. I think the one that most of you all will think about is that the corner of World Street and Queen, which was by the same architect and has melded in very well with the houses in that area, orinoka, and has worked well in the transition. So with that, that's a model that you can see. You also approved a project not long ago, and given, and Alfred Street, a very similar project. That one was rezoned CEREMU H. This is a by-ride project, essentially, under the CD zone. And so we do have rear yards in the interior units, which are kind of rare in today's downhouse models. We've worked very closely with the fire department, the police department on access issues, had very active conversations. Ultimately, when we looked at all of the entrances and exits on Cameron Street, there are two active families across the street. There's a car, repair shop, European cars, I believe, that's been there for my entire life. I don't see moving, but it's essentially one large curb cut. There's also another alley on our side of the block. So the fault was when you looked at all that traffic on a one-way street and looked at cars leaving. It made sense to move it to West Street. The other benefit of that, and if you can recall the site plan, it provides a green space between the existing townhouses on Cameron Street and the project and puts it on the corner. So yes, there was lots of discussions, but at the end, all parties felt that this was a good solution, provided safe and adequate access. With regards to the wall, we cannot make a definitive statement on the wall. We've talked to staff, the walls at the rear of the building, the wall we'd like to keep the wall. We'd like to bring it down to six feet, which is what we are told by code. The wall needs to be unaware of the variance to make it taller. Can't commit because it's a wall of a building, and until that building comes down, the engineers really can't see if it's as an independent structure can be maintained. But that is something we look forward to work with the neighbors. And obviously, if we can maintain that wall it's better during construction after construction and so it's given a serious concern but we unfortunately can't in writings say exactly what can be done with it. So with that I'll be glad to answer any questions. Again we're very closely with West Old Town Civic Association. I'm pleased to get five stars from Mr. Drudy. We've also worked with the Old Town Civic Association who actually this is their jurisdiction and met with the Upper King Street, King's neighborhood association on this project, none of which head comments after our outreach efforts. I'd be glad to answer questions. Thank you, Mr. Blair. Are there any questions from Mr. Blair? All right, hearing none, is there a motion to close the public hearing? Motion by Council Member Bagley, seconded by Councilman Chapman. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please go to my saying aye. Aye. All opposed, aye. May the ayes have it. Are there additional questions for our staff? Council Member Bagley and Council Member Bagley. I just wanted to thank everybody for speaking tonight on both sides of the issue. If staff could just speak to the 45 foot element because Before I vote I want to be sure that I understand that The DSUP before us today does not include a request for any kind of bonus hide or any specially permitted height That the height requested and the manner requested conforms with essentially a by-ride height. Is that, do I have the correct understanding? Yes. The special use permit that is being requested is only for those four lots that don't have advantage. That you see, they're referred to as the semi-detached. Regarding the height, the CDZone maximum permitted height for a single family, two family, or trapped townhouse dwelling is 35 feet. Provided, however, that the height maximum height may be increased to an amount not to exceed 45 feet if two conditions are met. Those are that the ridge be parallel to the street and that the slope of the roof is compatible with neighboring buildings. The slope that you see here, there are variety of roof forms here, but there are generally all variations on a gable roof with pedimented dormers and gable and a man's heart. So those are reforms that we see throughout the historic districts. It's a very common. It's found on a variety of architectural styles. So there's no variance or exception related to the height. It is simply meeting the height requirement for CD. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. And I think I just try to be sensitive to, at least for me, to be clear with the public at least, what it is we're being asked for that requires our level of involvement. And I'm sensitive to the comments by the woman who spoke over the phone, Ms. Barkow, just about expectations within her neighborhood and one of the other things that was impactful to me, honestly, during the presentations is the placement of these outside of but adjacent to two historic districts. So while I appreciate their proximity and their adjacency, they're not actually part of either Parker Gray or Old Town. Old and historic is that correct as well? So I'm not trying to like belabor the point, but like I just think for me, those were compelling pieces of information about what it is that we're being asked to do today and that this height is essentially a bireite height if done in the architectural style required. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Councillor McBaglay other questions. I'm just noting that we had a recommendation by staff for an amendment to condition 105, was in addition to of 105G, and just to, I hope so I lost my page here, just to read that, the . So we make sure that we have that. So the language is no ballerads, fences, large plantings, or I'm guessing, or other, or other, as type O in the memo, or other obstructions are to be installed within two feet of this other property line adjacent to the walkway on lot 13 in the public alley. All right, so is there a motion? Councilman Chapman. I move approval with staffs. So there's a motion by Councilman Chapman to approve the Planning Commission's recommendations subject to the addition of condition 105G as a provided by staff. Second. And there's a second by Councilman Gaskins. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please sign by saying aye. Aye. All opposed, aye. The aye's have it. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Is there a motion to adjourn? Oh, I forgot. Dang it. 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Mr. Mayor, I move the City Council adopt the resolution regarding the closed executive session. That was through you. It has been a motion by councilman McGuirey to adopt the resolution certifying the closed executive session. It has been seconded by councilman Chapman. Any further discussion? Here he none. It is a roll call. Councillor McGuirey. Councillor Chapman, Mayor Wilson. Hi. Nice to meet Jackson, Council Member Bagley, Councilwoman Gaskins, Councilman McPike. Okay, the resolution is adopted unanimously. Is there a motion to adjourn? An motion by Council Member Bagley, seconded by Councilwoman Gaskins to adjourn. Any further discussion? Hearing none, I hope everyone has a wonderful summer. All of those in favor, please acknowledge saying aye. Have a great summer. See you in September guys. The support that we get here they're very much so into small businesses, handmade, artisan products. We have poor customers who come back year after year after year. 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