about to start if you could please take your seats. Appreciate it and if you could silence or turn off your cell phones, it would be greatly appreciated. Good evening everyone and welcome here to the South Miami City Hall. Today is Tuesday, June 18th, 2024. The time is approximately 7 p.m. At this time we'd like to call the warden the City Commission meeting for the City of South Miami again If you could please silence your cell phones, we would greatly appreciate it Madam Clerk if you could call the roll please Yes, I'm here Fernandez present I'm one each here commission and Cory present commission and Kyu here commission a Lehman Vice President Bonneesh, here, Commissioner Cory. Present. Commissioner Kaye. Commissioner Lehman. Present. You have a forum. Thank you. We could please stand for a brief prayer moment of silence. And as we begin tonight's reflections, I'd just like to express our condolences for the family of Paul Hunt. Paul was a dear neighbor and friend, a beloved leader in our community. He passed away this press Friday. I had the privilege of getting to know Paul about 22 years ago in my prior work of the City of Miami where Paul was at the time an active member of the Colgate-Bus Congressional Church and was leading an effort to create a micro-lending program here in Miami-Dade County, one of his many civic and charitable endeavors. Many of you may know him from his work at the city, through the National Association of Social Work, and also his prior leadership of the Alliance on Aging here in Miami-Dade County. We will miss Paul and our heartfelt condolences go out to his family, and his memory will pray a quick Hilmeri, Hilmeri, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus, holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Thank you. Kibbusha Kaya, if you can lead us in the pledge of allegiance. Pledge of allegiance. Pledge of allegiance. Pledge of allegiance. Pledge of allegiance. state of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God and the visible and justice for all. Thank you. Please be seated. Yes, Madam vice-mary. I wanted to say something. I just wanted to say in the event that I get up momentarily. My daughter is homesick alone. And as they like to say, nobody puts that baby in a corner. So she calls on. I have to get up and go and take that. Excellent thank you you will be excused. Thanks. Thank you. Madam Clerk we have a couple presentations this evening. Yes. Who's first please? Winston Harris from RS and H for traffic calming measures. Mr Harris welcome good evening. Thank you. Mr. Harris, welcome. Good evening. Right, I'm Winston Harris with ours and H back in November last year FDOT the strict six contracted our stage to help them with what we call a road safety audit necessarily a traffic comm study a low traffic comm in which is do come out of these studies It's a road survey audit along US one. So I'm here to prevent some preliminary findings from or work that we have been doing. And I'll get your feedback as to things that you know, your opinion is. So here we are, you can see the LumaSalt project where it will look along US one from August 88th Street up to 57 Avenue. Okay, I wrote, say, we audit. So what is our road safety audit? We're really taking a qualitative look at existing conditions along roadway. We're all looking for safety concerns and we're making suggestions to address those safety concerns. So importantly, at this stage, we're not doing data collection, we're not doing design, the department will look at those suggestions, they will follow up and they will make a determination of what suggestions they can move forward with. We are a team working with us, the team consists of several truck engineers, some work in the year today, road engineers and importantly work in with the city. So we've been working with your city staff to get information on them and what are some of the issues along this corridor. And some of the primary issues we had coming out was really press run safety. So a lot of focus on the road safety audit was paid to press run safety along the corridor. Please read that, questions as you go along. And there you see the FEOT's compass, of course, that I should mention. This road safety audit is certainly keeping with FEOT'sative safety being their number one criteria, trying to drive down fatalities and serious injuries to zero. And of course, coordinating with the communities. Okay, the next couple of slides will look at some of those areas where there were safety concerns identified and some of the suggestions for addressing some of those safety concerns. First one, foremost, is that section of US1 between southwest, same to second street and south of SEMT yet. This is that area where some time ago the city had looked at the possibly providing our overhead facility, cross-missility for pedestrians. City-media determination that that over facility would not be in the best interest. What you're looking for, so we're actually looking at some kind of upgrade solution which should be a lot more cheaper, probably use a lot more by pedestrians. Given the volumes, given the pedestrian activity in the zero, of course, what we would determine would probably be a reasonable solution would be to provide some kind of signalized pedestrian crossing. So this would be similar to something like what you have currently at US1 and 24th Street, which probably a lot of you have seen that kind of crossing. So it would be a pedestrian push button type activation signal because of the proximity of those intersections, signal transitions to the north and to the south would have to make sure that it is coordinated, so that we maintain progression along US1 and, we'd have to make sure that it is coordinated, that we maintain progression along US one. And then we'd also have, you know, try to look at possible possibility of trying to implement vocal leading pedestrian intervals at those adjacent signals. But there have been a lot of pedestrian crashes. I mean, we reported about seven within that section over the past five years. Sorry, just within this section? Yeah, within that section over the past five years. Sorry, just within this section? Yeah, within this section. Yeah, we pulled crashes between 2018 and 2023. But this section that's on the graphic right now. This section on the graphic, well going up to 57 Avenue, I should say. Got it. There were seven reported crashes involved in pedestrians along that section. So certainly a high- high-predecent activity here and a lot of conflicts involving pits and vehicles. So. So here's before you move on. Can I just ask a question about this slide? Any anyone else have any questions, colleagues? Go ahead and know. So that, the crossing you're suggesting that is of the same style as the one on 24th Avenue further up the corridor. Would that be it somewhere in the some of a mid block condition between 70th and 72nd? What would you envision? Correct. If you look at the graphic and you see where that yellow pedestrian one is, that's roughly the area that you're looking at. Would it be just south of SEMT first, going north, SEMT first, as you go north of SEMT first, it opens up and you get another left turn lane. So if you put it just south of there, you'd have a narrow section for distance across. You could reduce the total crossing time, and you'd also have the median to provide a two-stage crossing. So a lot of options, it's not only just sort of, it's in the first three. So I said, moving forward, DOT, of course, would have to go collect some traffic on data, some design, look at possibilities, there may be other obstacles in that vicinity, in a drainage and stop drainage structures, which at this level, we're not looking to that detail. But within that vicinity we think would be a good appropriate location. Yeah. Can we check out? Yeah, thank you, Mayor. So have you looked into the flow of people coming off the metro station, more so on 72nd Street, and then I also see a lot of flow going northbound on U.S. 1, but they cross all the way at 71st Street The interactions coming from the metro station on that particular area you have to make a big loop to come back around So one thing that we should look into Second like You guys are doing the to my understanding you guys are doing the traffic study based on, you guys are doing the traffic study based on what you're seeing in the past three years. What, can you talk a little bit more about future usage based on what we see as the usage model and the amount of density that we're going to see in particular in that particular area within the next five to ten years? Is that something that we can address as well? Okay, so yeah, so let me clarify. So the RSA is really looking at, we're going out there today, and we've seen what's happening out there today. Of course, speaking with the city staff, we got a lot of information about plan developments, both today, since the West, the West, the West, and so on. So whatever we see out there today today in terms of pedestrian activities, certainly the anticipation is that that's going to increase over time, which we're going to make it even more warranted for having some kind of process in there. So yes, that information is there as the project moves forward. That data in terms of pedestrian generation as well as collecting existing traffic will all be taken to that count in saying yeah We can just spy a signal here a pedestrian crossing here and here's our appropriate location But yes future conditions are taking a consideration. Can you for us for me that I don't sorry How many more questions you need to leave? I just want to keep this moving. Sorry. I have a few. OK. I mean, this is important. Yeah, it is. Let's just rather than interrupt this present. Let's say it's in the end. Sure. That's OK. And we'll pick them up that way. So continue, sir. Sorry. Yeah, that's OK. We have quite a few ones. But this was probably one of the most important locations. This was the initial driving force for the road safety all right. The next slide is just a graphical illustration of what the problem looked like. Overhead signals, back plates, highlights, reflectors to kind of set the signals as visible as possible. And of course, push button activated. Looking at the rest of the card, I would did notice within that section between 88th Street and 62nd Avenue, it's a half mile section where there is no pedestrian crossing. There's no ability, there's no facilities across and road within that half mile section. So of course, no one that's crossing within that section is, there's, there's, could be an issue. So we are, we are suggesting looking at possibility of another crossing similar to the one we previously just discussed within that section. You see right where that highlighted pit crossing is, it's about that 6th to 3rd avenue, which happens to be you will see the next slide allocation where we would suggest in for some improvements also. So, seven minutes of the previous one, trying to put some cross in facility to cover that wide gap, half mile gap, where there's just no facility for our participants to get across roadway. And as I mentioned, six to third avenue is the next area that we looked at of concert. This is a T-Inno section, multiple conflict movements, left terms coming out of 63rd, left terms from US1, intern and exiting. A lot of congestion, a lot of conflicts at this location. Certainly, we feel like it could benefit from some kind of a control for traffic trying to intern exit at 6th or 3rd Avenue. A couple of suggestions were looking at either a, what we call, restricting some of the movements to provide what we call a directional media and opening. Typically these locations, the most conflicting movements, those left terms, get it out because they cross two movements and that's most difficult. When you're out there, you can see it. That's a one option. A second option would be trying to signal see it. So that would be one option. A second option would be trying to signalize it. If you signalize it, you could cover two things at once. Provide the protection for drivers coming in and out as well as trying to provide some pedestrian crossing facility within that location. In fact, it was a six-door avenue, it was the second location I should have mentioned where there was a fatal crash involving a pedestrian. So, certain pedestrian activities are concerned here also. The next location is at 61st, which is first similar to 63rd, same type of t-in of T intersection, multiple movements, conflict movements. What can we do to it? Can I address it? Could we signalize it? Or could we do a directional media movement? Those are two options again that the OT would look at for addressing the context at this location. So very similar condition to 63rd. Again, illustrator in the directional media and open that with restrict electrons, come out of 61st or a signal at this location. Traffic congestion is true the entire corridor and all the intersections. It's a systemic problem along US one. As you know, suggestions that we were putting forward to try to address some of these are more low cost type of suggestion. It's TSMO's type stuff, which is signal timing, adjusting signal phasing, adjusting signal operations to try to get the most out of the signals. We could put in a more advanced traffic management system to coordinate signals automated. That's possible also. We are aware that there are some locations where there are some particular concerns, not for reference in detail here, but you know at 62nd Avenue in particular, there was a concern brought to us because recently regarding, we are on set, is left turn movements making northbound and something called the 62nd Avenue, North and South left turns. Currently, they do make those turns just unpermissive. That means they are not protected at any point in time during the signal phase for making that movement. So one of the things we could look at is try to provide a protected left turn phase for those movements as is on somebody or in the sections here. Or you could try to, or call speed-based, select a northbound, go, the southbound, go, either way, provide some protection. This would require, of course, DOTI, I mean, if it's smooth-forward, gathering additional data, doing what they call a left and right analysis, determine, yes, this solution would work. But certainly that's something that will be looked at and will be referenced in our report. OK. The next couple of slides, a lot of, discuss a lot of, mean to dense low cost stacked stuff that needs to be addressed. Throw it into our carto, so a lot of ADA issues at sidewalks. We're not gonna go through all of them. Here, just touch on some of them. Cross-lobes, mini locations, where the cross-lobes exceed the minimum 2%, would need to be addressed. Multiple locations, we saw that. ADA requirements at the inferences, this one is within the median, it's missing in many locations. This one is the median but more allowed I'm missing at the edges of the street as you get on to the sidewalk. Let's do it. Can we move? I think I am. Sorry. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So the next one, again, the detectable warrant advice is again missing at some locations. Let's touch it on a couple of these are cheap couple. These are cheap relative low expensive condomers that the DOT can address fairly quickly our others. Clear wit, for foot requirement, for wheelchairs, I can even phone that. Several locations. Some more difficult address than others. This is one where it's next to a mass-darm. Can be addressed by adding some sidewalk adjacent to it. Others are more difficult to address. This one's a huge pool in sidewalk without the public try to increase the turn radius here to get the full forward clearance if we can. Tripping hazards, again this is throat intact heart of multiple locations where there's more than a quad-inch gap in the, which is, you know, when it serves a more like a body, you can't be able to see that it's probably a tripping hazard that can cause some injuries. So that's a maintenance issue, again, which is throughout the corridor, many locations. Here are other examples of tripping hazards we've found throughout the corridor. These are not difficult to address Saw some locations where we had pet signals That were missing the DOT other tripler project, which is addressing some of these right now as we speak Again signal heads we did find some locations were signaled with did some nighttime reviews signal heads. We did find some locations. We did some nighttime reviews. Signal heads were not operating during the nighttime. Again, can easily be resolved maintenance. Drop off hazards. We saw some locations where the sloping was exceeding the one to two ratio, which can be hazardous. This again will take a little bit more to address, but an issue that we can also strengthen some improvements to address that. Another drop off location. Sign in multiple locations, again, through the intact corridor where the face signs are missing signs. Some of those missing signs can lead to wrong movements, especially exiting from those multiple driveways along the corridor. Again, another maintenance issue, which we can address in quickly. Signalization. Typically, we like to see back plates on the back for signals, especially those faced in the east west direction to improve their visibility. Some of those are missing in some of the locations. We have identified them up there to be addressed. Street lighting, some of the street lights facilities are out. We have identified them. That again can't be quickly addressed. We've identified them that again can't be quickly addressed. Payment markings, a lot of faded markings in the areas. A lot of these should be addressed by the FDOT's ongoing program tripart project. Bush and this needs constant maintenance, but there are locations along the corridor where you had come out of those driveways, overgrown rotation, certainly causes a problem. And then there are a couple bus stop facilities. This one here in particular is missing somebody. Facilities that you'd like to see out there. Benches and shelters. Not shown. Not missing. There are places along the corridor where, I guess, based on a parking, difficult to find in parking, folks park across the sidewalk. Harder to address, may need enforcement to address this one. So that's it quickly going through. So Harris, thank you for the presentation. Colleagues, any questions on any of the slides? Let me recognize Commissioner Cory, and we'll give you another five-year-old. Mr. Cory, go ahead. Thank you so much. And this is extremely welcome being at the development that we have coming to the city and the fact that we're uniquely sort of bifurcated by a highway or city and our downtown of Buts, the highway, so it's very important. I was just curious, as you're doing this and maybe updating some landscape in the mediums as well, is there a standard for that? And is there a way for us to either request or contribute more trees as we know that that can be a way to mitigate traffic, as well as heat index, as well as make this highway look a little nicer going straight to our city? Yeah, yeah, certainly if DOT has guidelines for vegetation within the media. Certainly as we get close to the intersection, we want less vegetation, we want to control the height. But away from the intersections, so it's not restricted to invisibility, then you can have larger kind of, and typically, I would say almost all DOT projects have some landscape component on it. So certainly, if these projects move, as they move forward, landscape in, certainly, can be incorporated. Okay, great, thank you. Sir, give us your guide, you recognize. Thank you. I'm sure this is very welcome. I'm glad you guys got to do this. Is there something that you guys do? How often do we do these type of studies? Is it simply on request? Is it something that happens every five, ten, twenty years? How does that work? No. So the DOT has recognized so many years now that Rose safety Yadid's one of what he was he calls proven safety measures. And more and more, DOTs doing these projects. They have several DOTs, several firms, assisted them with such projects. We have done probably three or four in the last, four, or five months, six months working on. We have another one working on right now, too, on the beach. So it's an ongoing program, it's something that I do, it's certainly pushing as a proactive measure to try to drive the fatalities and serious injuries, part of that program. So a lot of time is driven by a request. But sometimes it's just reviewing crash records are just proactively going out and identifying locations. Thank you. I appreciate that. So to add to that, what is the ongoing process to get these corrections done? So can you walk us through? I mean, there's a lot of things that are happening here, especially on that corridor. We have the underlying coming through. We have construction. We have a lot of things going on. How do we make sure that the process, and we need to help with grants or anything the FDOT needs, how do we get that process going? So we can start getting the ball movement on some of these corrections. Right. in the bottom of some of these corrections. Right, so what will happen next? Will prepare a document outline in the safety issues that we have identified and suggestions for addressing these safety issues. The DOT will take that. They'll look at those suggestions, and they'll say, OK, let's collect some more data, collect some information, and see which of these ones we would like to add back. Then they would have to, I mean, they'll identify some, they do those studies, they'll confirm, okay, one install a signal in here. Then they'll try to identify funding. They're especially safe for safety. They are several sources for funding projects, funding, safety funding. And I guess I can't speak for the OT, but it's, I don't think it will be difficult funding some of those lower cost safety improvements. A signal crossing will be relatively low cost, although in my today's standards, my sometimes stuff can be expensive. So maybe close to a million dollars, I think. My product might be a different video to you, maybe to answer the questions. And I have a piggyback question to Commissioner Guy. So I appreciate you all doing the study. This is very helpful information. It's we had started some conversations with, at the time Jose Nicarqueto, when he was at a DPW about a few intersections, mostly in this corridor. I wanted to build on that conversation, just share some thoughts with you about what was presented very quickly. In terms of the, I don't think this study was intended to discuss capacity enhancements or any of the functionality of any existing intersections. Obviously you did highlight on the congestion on slides 11 and particularly two intersections that need some more substantial reorganization are at 60 second Avenue, US 1 and E.D.A. Street. We have, I don't know that they need a dedicated, I'll tell you, speaking for myself as someone who lives south of US one and Use a 60-second every day. I don't and book going both North and the A&P hour and south and the PMP hour While there's certainly congestion a lot of it is due to the fact that the intersection and the PMP hour gets blocked So the dedicated left are not to me as critical What is as critical is creating some more through capacity the northbound of the morning for dedicated right turns. And the right of way is constrained by the FPL poll. So one thing we had talked to, and TPDW about was, can we work with you all and cobble together some road impact fee money to buy some right of way, relocate those utility lines, which again, does not in an expensive proposition, and begin to kind of create some capacity both there and on ADIUS street where we have again mostly in the PMP Gower heading westbound congestion the backs up all the way to 62nd Avenue and ADIUS street so those are two critical intersections if you can also talk to the process that we can elaborate on with your agency to look at those capacity hands, as well. All right. So for our star, I want to introduce myself. I'm Sabay Dedenna. I'm with the DOT traffic ops office. So I've been working with Winston, the RSNH team on the RSA. And it would be good if we can widen the road, always at capacity? Like you said, the challenge is spacing and the RSA focus on optimizing what's existing currently. If somewhere in the future we have that possibility to why in the road or acquire right away for a low cost or a good cost that would be something we've. Jim, I just, I think from our perspective, we want to understand how we create the opportunity to acquire the right way. I mean, there's no for us, you know, there's been some discussions in the past about development or the redevelopment of that, of that mall that houses the pet co. Quite honestly, from my perspective, what I'd love to see it reposition, because I think it could be more than what it is today, until we fix this intersection, there's really nothing that we could allow that would make any sense, because that intersection doesn't work today. And the same is 280th Street. So those are two areas where I think, speaking for myself, and I think the priority probably agrees to me, we really need to work with you all very aggressively to figure out how we acquire the right of way, what the cost sharing of that looks like, and how we create the capacity because if we're going to do anything meaningful, you can improve the conditions around that intersection from a development and not in a development perspective, just the functionality today. To me, today's need, we need to kind of go beyond just looking at what we have. And you know, biting the bullet frankly and saying, we need to go ahead and acquire that additional right away. There's really no solution. I think that you could design in the interim that would make the conditions there any more optimal. We appreciate the pedestrian enhancements have been done recently. I think those certainly make a better condition for crossing those intersections, but in terms of getting people or cars, intersections they're not adding a whole lot by way of new capacity so I just like to understand what we can do to kind of push that process along because there are a lot of wonderful short-term improvements here but those two long-term enhancements to those intersections to me are our mission critical for us. This is something we can coordinate with our FTOT right away office to see how we can go about acquiring those parts sold. Like you said, working with the utilities to see if we can test the possibility of widening the roadway. That's something we could definitely discuss with our right away office. How do we start that conversation formally? I need to set a letter to the District Secretary. As... We didn't touch with our district right away manager to see how we can go about that. Because I'd love to follow with you, follow with the offline, and we started that conversation. It kind of got put on hold. I think our staff was under the impression that this study would address those issues clearly. It has not for me. I just don't want to lose my focus on that. So if I need to initiate this with formal correspondence to the district's exception here, happy to do that. Let me know what the best way it is and we'll get it done. We just want, it's mission critical, frankly, if we're going to do anything for today and the future to really look at what we have there by way of right away. And to me, the answer is obvious. We've got to, unfortunately, take a portion of McDonald's landscape area, right? To add capacity for a dedicated right turn movement in the northbound condition. I don't know, we look at the southbound condition across that intersection, but there may be some other things that need to be done. There could be a dedication for the property owner that previously wanted to develop the site. Lots of things that we can look at, but again, we need to work with you guys hand in hand to get that done. Yes, Madam Vice-Mirror. As he's saying that something occurs to me, you've got on 63rd and on another one, where there's a possibility of removing that left hand turn, but that then just pushes everybody more onto 60 seconds. And so it's like a self-defeating prophecy. So that's something that I... That's exactly why I mentioned these capacity hits. Because I think it's up for me as a user. It's obvious that at least the left turn movement southbound on 61st should be eliminated tomorrow. With some of the recent physical modifications to the right of way, they used to be the ability to make a right turn. But now everyone's stuck queuing behind that left turn mover in the morning AMP Gower, which they're never going to get across. So you're absolutely right, Madam Vice Mayor. We changed the condition upstream. We're going to push people on to an already deficient intersection. So again, for all the possible benefits of these enhancements until we really deal with the big, the mission critical issues, I think we're just kind of, it's just, again, window dressing, I'm going to try to be offensive, but it's just kind of moving pressure points to already deficient intersections. Right, and this is more of a midterm to short-term improvement. Anything that would require right away, that's long-term. So we're looking long-term, midterm and short-term. Okay. For the questions? None. I just wanted to ask again, highlight. I know that in some of the presentations, the mention of fencing, along segments. I don't know if that's consistent with what the underlying is envisioning for those segments. I thought they were looking at more of a natural landscape bear if you could just articulate what you guys see as a way to deal with that. Obviously concerned about pedestrians crossing in inappropriate places. Right. And true, the presentation you will see we were about reference to coordinating with the On the Line Project. We have definitely reached out to the On the online project. I'll look at their plans, but we still need some more feedback from the online terms of exactly what they're planning to do. But we have seen their preliminary plans and in some sections they have some kind of fencing between US1 to prevent J-CRAF re-walking. So, yeah, definitely, we have to coordinate with the online project at least. Okay. Sorry. Please, you're welcome. I follow up with you, so is that something that we need help coordination there with the underlying? I think that we have a really good understanding what's going on here on that support order. So, a few times we haven't been exactly responsible. We've reached out. All right, well, if you want to leave your information, we'll see if we can help you out with that. Adding onto what the mayor spoke about, where it's mission critical on the traffic allocation, especially with the easements on both 80s, sorry, 62nd Avenue and 80s. Going back to what the actual program, I think we never really got that answered. What is the process for us to continue to move forward so we can get some of these corrections done? Because it seems to me they're two different avenues to take here. F dot with what the mayor spoke about, but we also have the FSA program and trying to get all that resolved from a safety perspective, which is still important for our city. So how do we get that ball movement as well? Because it seems like it's too, right, Mayor? I think they're two different, possibly two processes. Yeah. Yeah. Just want to make sure. Right. So with the RSA, we're identifying issues, then we're going to group them up to see which ones are maintenance issues, which require follow-up studies from our office, which may be police enforcement issues. So once we group those together, we can go about forwarding it to our maintenance office, possibly programming a new project for a crosswalk. It all depends on the type of issue we're addressing. Okay, so just to finalize that mayor, sorry, do you have a point of contact here at the city that we deal with directly? I know who it is, but I just want to make sure you guys it's our day of the year right? Okay, so let's this is really important for this commission is to make sure that corridor is functioning and working well for us as we continue to make investment dollars into that particular area. It's mission critical that not only are we safe but we have traffic flowing through there so just want to make sure we're on the same page. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. One last question. Mr. Manager, you know maybe you may have the question to this. Who provides the maintenance the median along these segments? That's something that we're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. We're doing that. I don't know if anyone else answered that. The median on US one is done through an integral goal agreement or joint participation agreement with F dot and we use a private contractor. Okay, so we have a JPA from 57 to 80th roughly. I think it's all the way, yeah, yeah, 57. And then we do the same on Sunset Drive media. Okay, perfect, okay. Thank you all. We appreciate your presentation your time. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, colleagues, we just in the we have a couple folks that we held over from a prior meeting here. And I just want to be respectful of everyone's time and the items that we can tackle on our own. So if I can We're gonna if you don't mind. I'm not gonna you're not gonna take up the next two presentations for a few minutes I'd like to quickly run through the approval of the minutes our reports public remarks and then take up items Cheat sheet here 8 8 9 and 10 Or was I think there people here in the audience and then we'll go back to right a regular order any objection? No, sir. Okay. Seeing none if we can have a motion with regard to the approval of the minutes of May 7th, May 21st and June 4th. I'll move the motion. I'll second. Okay, but motion by Commissioner Gaia and a second by the vice mayor. No, with seeing no comments, I'm clerk if you can call the roll please. Yes, Commissioner Gaia. Yes. Yes, commission and Cory. Yes, Commissioner Lee. Yes, Vice-Nabona. Yes, Mayor Fernandez. Yes, minutes pass. Glad to know. Great. Mr. Manager, your report, please. Good evening. First congratulations to the Parks and Rec Department. They successfully obtained their DCF resertification so all staff obtain the required training so that we can continue to offer programming to our local families. Murray Park Aquatic Center are summer hours are open so public swim is offered seven days a week. That is Sunday through Saturday from 12 to 4 p.m. morning and evening swim lessons are also available. That's the ice swim academy. Our big fourth of July celebration is coming up. We welcome everybody to come to Palmer Park. That starts at 5 p.m. Fireworks are at 9 p.m. So there's going to be food vendors, kids on rock climbing wall. It's going to be a good time. We invite everybody to come out. And lastly, a reminder that an observation of Juneteenth City Hall will be closed tomorrow. Thank you. Any questions of the manager? Nope. I accept one question. What are the costs of the swim lessons that we offer over the summer? I'm going to lean on the parks for right now. And I apologize for not telegraphing this in advance. Trick question. Yeah. I don't know the rate. I'm gonna lean on the okay director to provide Good evening I'll get back with you for the exact cost put is between 60 and $80 for residents Okay, that's for the week or just it's for a two week session for a two week session Monday through Friday Okay 30-minute sessions session for a two week session Monday through Friday 30 minutes sessions. Two week session and this between 60 to 80 but I don't want to give you his number at the moment. By the moment, whether your mom is lovely, I saw her this morning because you said so low. So that's good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Director. Okay. Moving on Mr. City Attorney report, please. Just one thing mayor, the form six legislation. Yes, what are we filing? Yes, you are filing a form one, form six. Okay, I'm going to pass a memo out to you guys that kind of walks you through that process. And that's the latest that we have from the state. And they've extended the deadline to June, did you live 15th? Am I correct? Uh, do we got, I believe we got an email to that effect. That's why, yeah. That's not what this is saying. This is still saying July 1st. Okay. But if you guys could just confirm that for me, because I thought I got something from the ethics commission, yeah. Saying that we could file on the portal through July 15th of 4.1. Okay. We will double check with that. Thank you. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Nikki, can you please put that in everyone's calendars so that we're all reminded versus having to look at an email. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that suggestion. Okay. We'll move on to public remarks. First on the list and the only personal which will be by Kelly. Please come forward, sir. Any steps out? Can someone grab them? Is anyone online? Or waiting? Anyone on the zone? Please raise your approach. I don't see any lines. Okay, seeing no one online. Okay, we'll, we'll, we'll move along for the moment. Commissioners, any reports or items you'd like to share? In trying to get this to be a that quick but concise meeting, I will pass on comments. I'll say a couple of comments. We had the father's day event over at the adult center. It was great, good food, good fun. Saw the mayor lose a couple of times. Pretty much it. I just quickly wanted to congratulate the South Miami Black Cultural Affairs for throwing an amazing Juneteenth event. It was really, it was really incredible and I hope we have another great one next year too. Might be what Levi was good. Great. We were just thinking you Levi for a great event on Juneteenth. Yes. Sir Kelly, good evening. How are you doing? Good, good to welcome. All right. Yeah, I just wanted to come and give you guys good old again for your support. We had a great turnout. We had a little bit of history that was told. Had some performance young people from the community that was involved. So it's a good quality program that we're providing. And once again, especially, I wanted to just cool those two direct staff there. Those guys are doing a great job over there. So I just wanted to let Quentin know. And then guys in blue showed up and they were gracious and very active with the community. So it's a good positive way to bring everybody together. So I just want to thank everybody again for your support. Thank you. Thank you again to the S&PCA for their hard work on that. For the reports, Commissioner Lieben, anything you want to share for the community order? Quickly. Nope, okay. Commissioner Cory. Since we started the meeting off with condolences to the Hunt family, unfortunately, I just learned, while sitting here that Laura, I think Lauren Weed, excuse me, the daughter of Bob Weed, who is the owner of Strictly Tennis, just passed away recently this morning today. So we just want to extend our condolences to Bob and his family on the Lawrence passing as well. With that, we will move on to item eight. Mr. Attorney, do you need to read the quasi judicial warning? Thank you, Mayor. I had a number eight on- Item first. Yes, please. Okay, thank you. Item eight. Thank you mayor. I have a number eight on item first. Yes please. Okay. Thank you. Item eight. It will switch to the city commission of the city of South Plenty Florida granting approval of or denying a request with Lisa unity a tighter for storage with section 20-5.16 of the land development code for the property located at 61-67 Southwest 64 streets of New Florida. Thank you Mr. Senator Attorney please. Thank you. Item number eight on this evening's agenda seeks approval of a release of union of title under section 20-5.16 of the city's land development code. This requires a public hearing. The commission may ask any questions either before or after public confidence closed. Following public comment the commission may deliberate on the resolution. The quasi-judicial procedures require this commission to consider the evidence presented to it. And base your decision on the applicable law and primarily on the evidence presented whether by the applicant staff remembers the public. The staff report and the resolution provide the applicable law and criteria for approval. In this case, the criterion section 20-5.16, which requires a cessation of the conditions which require the unit title in the first place. The evidence considered must be substantial competent evidence. That means testimony of evidence based on personal observation or relevant expert testimony that a reasonable mind would accept as adequate and supportive conclusion. It is not a popularity contest. It cannot be based solely on nonexpert opinions no matter how fervent those opinions might be. Anyone who wishes to speak on this item should be given an opportunity to speak. If you intend to speak this evening, you may be subject to cross examination. If you refuse to be cross examined or to be sworn in, your testimony will be considered in that context and given its due weight. Anyone who would like to speak on this item, please stand up at this time. Please raise your right hand. This item please stand up at this time Please raise your right hand Do you swear a firm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Thank you Madam clerk just to confirm that the all of the advertising Requirements were met for this. Yes. Thank you And then mayor vice-mayor and commissioners if there are any x-partee disclosures to be made, anyone speak to anyone about this application before or against okay. No. No. No. Thank you. Mayor. Thank you, sir. So I think we had a presentation from staff the last time. Commissioner Cory, I don't know if you had a chance to review the record. Do you want staff to remake its presentation? No, it's okay. Okay. So I think we're good with staff. I wanted to recognize the applicant. Again, I wanted to take you early, so we kept you here so long. The last time, is there anything you'd like to say about way of presentation on the item? No, I'm just... Any questions of the applicant? colleagues? No, not of the applicant. One of the concerns you guys had was to view what the intent was. Did you guys get to see that? Is that something that was still pertinent here or not, not necessarily? I mean, I've seen I believe a summary of the proposed development parameters for the homes. I still have some concerns, but I want to hear the rest of your comments and see where everyone is on this item. I personally do not have any concerns with this particular project moving forward. Okay. Sir Cory, no, I do not. Okay, Madam Vice Mayor. I do not. Commissioner Lieben. Yes, you've heard of a great point mayor. I think we'll leave last time. There are no comps because these were non-conforming lots. Like into it, we're going to give you legislation. And as you point out in the less meeting mayor, the homes that we were We were comparing this to our 35% larger. So, yeah, that's a concern of apartments or bigger than these homes. Okay. Yeah, I had the same concern and again, I didn't see that there was a certainly changing condition from the time that the union was imposed. But with that said, Madam Director, you want to add something to the record? Yes. So, I'm a God, I had a development services director. So want to add something to the record? Yes. So I'm a Ghanaian Development Services Director. So when I spoke to the owner last time after this was deferred, he did make known to me that if he would have known that we would not release the Unity of Title, that he would have never entered into the Unity of Title. So for him, that is a very important fact about how he entered into the unity of title. Okay. Appreciate that information. Is there a motion on the item? I'll go ahead and move the motion to approve it. I'll second. Do we need to open the public here? It is a public hearing so we can,'ll table the we'll have a motion and a second is there anyone for the public who'd like to address item eight regarding the release of a Unit title for 61 67 Southwest 64 Street. There's anyone the chamber please come forward this time. Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online we will close the public hearing. We have a motion by Commissioner Cahya a second by the vice mayor any final comments colleagues Commissioner Levin go ahead. I would like to hear your position. My thoughts are unchanged Commissioner so you know I had the same concerns as before but and I recognize appreciate the comments from the director, but you know, we'll, we'll have a motion, we'll wind it up and down and we'll see where this ends up. Commissioner Cagin? Yes. Commissioner Corey? Yes. Commissioner Lehman? Yes, but I want to reserve the right to change my vote. I'll be a no commissioner leave. So by somebody. Do you want to do you want to say anything else before I vote or no? No, I'm sticking with the no. Okay, okay, I'll vote yes. May I have a minute? I'll be a no. Item passes three to. Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. I'm sorry. Three through. So, okay, and I want to understand is that release the unity or not? Or does it release? Okay, perfect. Okay, fair enough. Okay. Thank you for clarifying us. We do have some unique rules here itself, Miami. Okay. Okay. Colleagues, thank you for disposing that quickly and thank you for coming back out this evening, sir. If you can read quickly, item 9 into the record. Item 9, in the ordinance of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Miami Florida, a mini article three zoning regulations of the land development code to modify provisions applicable to townhouse development, including creating a new zoning district known as RIT 18 townhouse residential and including creating a new zoning district known as RIT-18 townhouse residential and providing for apical regulations. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Again, this is also a public hearing item, so second reading. Mr. Alvers, thank you for your patience last time. I want to take you a little bit earlier, as I kept you here a long while. Do we need, I was going to ask my colleagues, I was able to sit down with drivers between meetings, my issues were addressed, are there any, is there any need for a presentation to get on the side of colleagues? What can you clarify with those issues worse? I just had some very minor, I don't even remember frankly, we met probably 10 days ago, I don't mark if you want to crickly recap what my concerns were. One of them was about the 80 years to limit it to low income or the top of it will be low income and not have moderate income mixed into that. The other was about the garages that the building code requires the requirement for glazing on 20% glazing would be difficult to meet. The other was a little more general just to make sure that there was a good understanding we had included from first reading to second reading on the additional table because it really all of the criteria just weren't fitting in that multi-family table anymore. And in the process, we added a criteria for smaller properties. Basically, we did not want to, when we do map out the townhouse zoning, we did not want to make all of the single-family homes legally non-compliant was one purpose. The other purpose was, and I think you just had a hearing in property in that area, we note that there's a lot of properties south of and north of southwest 64th Street that are legally non-compliant in the R-rest 4 district. We're not rezoning those, but we wanted the zoning category to apply to those if somebody wanted to apply to them and create a possible legislative solution to building on those properties that are 25 feet wide in some cases 80 feet deep to allow what would be a townhouse tight model smaller two stories more of a zero lot line development something that has already occurred there but we would make it something that's complying with the code so it could be applied there as well as a legislative solution. So there was a whole column that was put into that to create that use of the townhouse district. If we're not gonna go through the presentation, I do wanna add one, scrivener's error that I wanna correct before we go on with the second reading. It's online, 271, it's the second reading. It's on the, it's online to, to 71. It's the new table in fact, one to, the fifth line down where it says maximum that area on the first most left hand column says 12,000 square feet. It should say 5,000 square feet. What exhibit is that? See? It's, I'm sorry, it's exhibit B. It's the actual code. Like, like, like,11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11-C11- I'm happy to do it. Thank you for summarizing my questions. I had forgotten honestly. Colleagues any further questions of Mr. Alvarez? Seeing none, we will open up the public hearing at this time if anyone would like to come forward and address this commission with respect to item 9 Which is an amendment to our zoning ordinance The zoning regulations creating a new zoning district known as RT18. Public hearing is now open. Seeing no one in the chamber, Madam Clerk, is there anyone online? Anyone online? Please raise your virtual hand. No. Seeing no one online, we will close the public hearing. Colleagues, is there a motion on item 9? I move the item. Is there a second? I'll second. Okay, we have a motion by Commissioner Leeman, a second by Vice Mayor Boniche. Any closing comments? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes, Commissioner Leeman. Yes. By example, Niish. We're going out of order to keep us on our toes. What? Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Max Ambonish. We're going out of order to keep us on our toes. What? Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Cagui. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item pass is five zero. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Alvarez. If we could read item 10, please. Item 10. An ordinance of the Mayor and City Commission of the City of Suffolving the comprehensively amending the city of South America's comprehensive plan specifically the future land use and element to provide for development of the in enhanced town center area and major quarters with surrounding development supporter of the town center specifically by amending the future land use element. Thank you Mr. Alvarez. You recognize. Thank you again Mark Alvarez, you recognized. Thank you again, Mark Alvarez, Court Univ. This is the first reading for the conference of plan land use amendments that we have proposed. We went to the planning board on April. And I'd like to go through it. This is the first reading. This will be the reading to transmit it for review by the state and other agencies. I'll go through the process, and I'll try to be reasonably quick. Yeah, it's not working. So we have how this fits in and I wanted to go through this. I won't read through everything, but we have an aggressive program of I'll be here. I'll be your regular here, I think, through the end of the year. We are, we just passed on the townhouse zoning text that was our May item for June, which is what we're in. We're doing the comprehensive land use plan text amendments. So typically we would do a comprehensive plan land use amendments to text and map. We're dividing things up because we want to get a text done. We have a lot of changes to support the zoning code that will be coming forward in months forward. And we feel like we could get the text done a little more simply and then we will do the actual map amendments which will be a much more extensive process of notice. It's correct me from wrong. I think it could be quasi-judicial. In total, it's a lot of acres and it's not, but there may be areas where we have to consider a quasi-judicial. So it's going to be a longer process. So the basic schedule is in June. We are going to start the conference plan text amendments, which is tonight. If it's past tonight, we will transmit that for review by the state. In July, we'll be coming back to zoning again. And all of the amendments tonight will support the future zoning text amendments that come. In July, the transit support of districts amendments will come. And we've made some changes to that already with the name in particular. We'll be coming in with more amendments to that to essentially really this is where the process started we wanted to change the home down district we want to make sure that those texts meet the needs of the home down district as well as have some transitions going into the neighborhoods. The neighborhood mixed use will be in August. This was something that we started on very early. It was going to be a replacement for a lot of the business office and a lot of the commercial uses that are mixed into the residential areas. We wanted to convert that for a lot of reasons for protecting the city's ability to control its own land use from preemption by the state. And we're converting a lot of that. Some of it goes to townhouse, and some of it would go to neighborhood mix use where we're on the corridors. Mostly that's going to affect bird road, 60 Seconds Street. I think that and some of sunset, some of the west of the downtown In September we'll be coming back with the comprehensive plan land use Text amendments to adopt that we normally expect about a 60-day cycle for the state review It can go longer if there are some challenges to what we've done We've tried to keep it very simple so that we can keep it on track. If that doesn't come back by September, we'll be doing that when it comes possibly in October. What we want to do is have that done before we go to map amendments on the comprehensive plan and that's what we're planning for for October. And then in November, we would do the map amendments for the zoning text as well. While all this is going on, the city is due for it's called the ear-based comprehensive plan amendments. That's where we do an evaluation in the appraisal report or the city does an evaluation in the appraisal report and then changes what it needs to in its policies for the entire comprehensive plan. That will be more or less going on in the background until we're done with this part. We have talked to the state already and advise them that we're doing this very fragmented process and that we are going to make sure that everything fits and pulls together by the end of it. The process we're doing tonight is a land use plan amendment. It's an expedited state review Explited means about sixty-nine days because it's longer for a full review This would be for both the text and math amendments. That's the whole process there basically it's a process where We we have the planning board which is the local planning agency did already Hear this and approved it local planning agency did already hear this and approved it. It's come to you now on first reading. It'll be transmitted to the state. The state will distribute it to other agencies and other local governments, specifically the county, South Florida Regional Planning Council, Quarrel Gables, and who else? Pine Crest. Three-quarter pine Crest at all? Yes. And day counting. So all of those agencies get to review all those local governments get to review. We expect this to be fairly quick because again, we've kept it fairly simple. Without the map, especially we've expected to be fairly fast. The red side of that is a process where an affected party can raise an objection and that's an administrative process, but it is part of the process that's outlined in chapter 163 and of course it can hold things up. Again, this has been fairly, without the map part, this is fairly simple, we don't expect that. So just a quick overview of our comprehensive plan as many elements, future land use plan, element, transportation, housing, infrastructure, conservation, recreation, open space, intergovernmental, coordination, and capital improvements. They all come together, they all have to be internally consistent. We're only working tonight on what we commonly call Lupa, a land-use plan amendment. The rest of it will happen with the year-based, a lot of terminology for the evaluation and appraisal report amendments will happen later. We're going to start them in the summer, but you will see them probably later in the year. The rationale for the future land-use plan amendments is basically we need to make some changes to respond to the market and create a more flexible code and to create more flexible code. We have to go to the sort of constitution for the land development regulations and make sure that we have those flexibilities built into those policies. We are in the city already directs density towards infrastructure, namely the downtown and the South Miami Metro Rail Station. We're adding a little bit to some of the policies to make sure that continues to happen. One of the big ones is to respond to housing needs. We've talked about all these in the zoning code and we're just backing up one step to the conference of plan which is the overarching document and then of course to assure compatibility. I can. Is that at the end of the slide? Is that okay? Sure. At the end of the slide or the end of the thing? At the end of the slide we'll let you ask your question. Go ahead, sir. Okay. at the end of the slide or the end of the thing. End of the slide. We'll let you ask your question. Go ahead, sir. Okay. I'm sorry. Before I realize you were moving on, my apology. Okay. The vice mayor apparently has a question about this slide. So, my vice mayor, you're right now. Yes. When we're talking about responding to housing needs, when you're saying incentivizing affordable and workforce housing, if I'm not going to be talking about the work force housing. I'm not going to be talking about the work force housing. If I'm not mistaken, the way that it's written for us in new developments, it is not affordable, but rather workforce. And I had been speaking with the city attorney on possibilities for having hero housing and that type of thing worked into here because we did not see it in the related project and there's a list you know longer than the phone book and we're not a priority on there and I want to make sure that as we move forward we are the priority. I love everybody on the planet earth but I love South Miami more and it's not okay with me for other people to go first and I don't know how we do that legally and that's why we have amazing city attorneys but before we send this off into the universe the tool of you need to make sure first that we're not doing affordable housing if I'm not mistaken what we've discussed over and over and over is workforce housing and second that it has the contingency that I had spoken to the city attorney about. So, if I may, yes, drivers. So this is like a generalized policy document. That's what the comprehensive plan is for. Where we're going to address everything you just talked about is within the zoning code text amendments. And we are, you know, what we're presently, we have requirements. We're gonna try to go to more of an incentive-based system as we've talked about. As this commission has discussed. So that's part of all of that. Okay, and when we send this off to whoever it is, yes. Will it have that affordable housing verbiage in it? It will have the verbiage that you have in your packets. Let me see, regarding the affordable housing. Yeah, I see it on page four number six. Is where I see it specifically called out. I might have missed it somewhere else. You know because it keeps talking about it. See, it says some of it on number five. So let me let me just address part of the comment as well. I think the the example I think you're reacting to, which is so me park, right? There's another layer of policy that will not be impacted by this plan, by these complain amendments, will not be impacted by anything that we can do. It has to do with federal policy and requirements regarding lottery's for the award of units. Agree, we would all love to prioritize more South Miami residents in those lotteries. There were apparently some accommodations made on that project to allow more people from South Miami to get priority, not nearly enough, right? 200 units on a 2,000 person waiting list. A lot of folks from outside the community moving in, concerned about certification. Again, we would probably have to direct the manager to work with our federal lobbyist to see whether there's a way to have a conversation with HUD locally at the federal level about what kind of exceptions we can fashion to those lottery requirements. That's my understanding of the limitation that they're operating under, both the project sponsor and the PhD here locally. On the other portion, I, frankly, personally have zero objection to incentivizing affordable. Frankly, there are really other than low income housing tax credits. They're very few suite of affordable incentives that are creating housing opportunities. Even at Somi Park, the majority of those units are probably workforce or market. The minority are probably probably probably 20% of the units are 50% or below of AMI. That's where the greatest crisis is across Miami-D County. We can have an argument about whether we're doing two months or two little. There's two little housing production across the community generally which is why prices are so high because the supply is really constrained. And so, I mean, I think we want to have a balanced portfolio of housing across the city. And I certainly have had conversations with Biggie Lopez who will probably be carrying the housing vehicle next year in the legislature about the fact that they're thinking about modifying live local or doing an inter new iteration, right? They need to take an account not just preemissions, right? But creating minimums that push communities, some of our neighbors, we're not going to mention them, that do not have a zoning program that allows for the densities that live local could otherwise afford them to come in and require them to meet minimum thresholds, right? Or there are divorce of their authority. I frankly, my biggest objection to live locals, I think we are taking steps to create, allow for housing development to happen, to help with affordability generally market and otherwise, by allowing development around our transition, which we should be doing. We should not have our local autonomy usurped, right? And so I think there is a balance to be struck at the legislative level until I see about minimums and preemption and that's the conversation I certainly started there. I just want to show that a way back. My personal preference would not be to eliminate an armaster plan incentives for affordable because there are very few incentives to build. Those units, a lot of the production will see interlive local will not be affordable. It will be workforce. Yeah, and I know we could probably argue this one for the next 10 years and not hit on something that I think we all agree on. I just think that pushing private entities to offer affordable housing is not in my, the way to go. I mean, we have government entities that do that and pushing that onto private developers for me is not a good thing. But, my advice, we have to comply with the law. And so, the state law requires that we provide, if we're going to, if we're going to, we have rather, we have to, we can only require it through an incentive. We can't mandate it, right? And so I think we are trying to kind of write size our code to deal with the mandate size and mandate side and give people incentives. I just don't want to wholeheartedly dismiss the incentives. People can choose to do it or not. We hope they will, right? Because there's a tremendous need. But even where there are resources, right, there's too few of them available to even push production. You think a formal public housing site would be a tremendous reservoir for affordable housing? I just wanted to the public is clear, my guess is only 20% of those units are actually at the bottom half of that tier, where there's tremendous need where people have the highest the greatest difficulty Accessing any quality units in the market. Okay for the comments on that colleagues Just I mean it's a discussion that we're gonna need to have anyway, but you know, I think that we all see what the problems in Miami-Dade County are and But I think that we all see what the problems in Miami-Dade County are and throughout the state of Florida. So whatever we can do as a city, and follow the law to make sure that we can comply with what would obviously be critical for whatever we do moving forward. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Can we should leave it? Do you want to say something? I can't see. We can't see you on the screen. My apologies. Thank you. Is the court wanted to add something? No, I just wanted to echo the mayor's sentiment. What you said a little bit more eloquently perhaps is that we might be leading regionally in this type of thing and that might be unfair but I still think it's the right thing to do to have that type of mixed income within the community Allowing for multi-generational allowing for many different types of workers within the city, so I'm for it Sharvas, I would just add to comment. When we do get to the larger segment, we call the ear-based amendments. We would be working with the housing element. Typically, those kinds of programs are in the housing element. We did something as fairly unusual. We actually, in the land use plan amendment, because of what we did with townhouse, and including ADU, it says, an affordable component, we actually included in the land use plan and the land use element, I'm sorry, which is fairly unusual. Normally these programs are all in the housing element, but we're actually including this directly into our land use plan, which is a little bit of a bonus. So to go forward, we have goals, objectives, and policies as the basic structure of any of the chapters of the comprehensive plan. Goals are the overall overarching place that we want to go to. Policies are usually, I'm sorry, objectives are sort of measurable outcomes that we would look to at each evaluation in the praise of the report and the policies are considered how we get there. The first policy, we call it 1.1.1, is the one where all the land usage is are described. And this is probably the most important one where we have a lot of changes. And again, these are all the changes that are to allow us to do the zoning code changes as well. The zoning code implements the comprehensive plan. Typically, the comprehensive plan is first, but don't feel bad. Most of these, we all think about zoning more than we think about comprehensive plan. So the discussion went backwards, but we're doing it in the right order. So I have all of the land use plan district or descriptions there, or categories. The blue ones are being modified. The red ones will be deleted, but not right now, unless it changes. I'm going to ask you to make on the floor. The black ones were more or less leaving alone. I'm going to go through each one of them. I'll show where they are, not that we're making map changes right now, but I want to show where they are to help understand. The first one is Duplex residential. Duplex residential is a very small area. It's not what we think we have Duplexes, and they usually happen under the townhouse designation. It's really this area that South of Sunset, more or less to the west of Baptist, there's a block there between 63rd Avenue and 63rd Court. It's currently right now all single family structures with offices, medical offices, some of them. The change here is really that eventually we'll be replacing it with townhouse, but again, because we don't want to make what we can't do right now is we can't delete a category where we have it being used somewhere. We're going to have to do that a little later when we get to the remap. But I just wanted to, again, let you know what's going to happen with this. It's a little bit of an unusual implementation. It happens where there's really no duplexes to speak of. The townhouse, we talked about townhouse zoning, so this will enable all that we did with townhouse zoning text changes, can't be implemented until we have the conference a plan implemented, both the text and the map amendments. But right now, townhouse text would affect a number of areas that have that category on the menu. All the orange areas that you see on the map. But this will allow those areas, and more intentionally, we want the areas that we remapped townhouse to have a more specific building form. So right now the townhouse in the city is more of a plan use development type of townhouses. They're a little more spread out. They have internal street networks. We would like to include a form where that's more urban and they're facing the street. We would still allow the forum that there's an internal circulation network but we want it to be more urban. We are of course calling it TH18. On the comprehensive plan we're actually going to let it have 36 units an acre and that will make sure that we have complete consistency with the comprehensive plan for the ADUs. Right now, the state statutes are silent on that. Rather than take the chance, we don't want any objections. So we're going to just do this land use element description as a 36 unit and naker. And so it'll implement the TH18, even if all of them have ADUs, we still have it as far as concurrency goes. We will, we have included in this description for the live work units because that needs to be in there and we have included in this description the ADUs so this completely supports everything that we've done on townhouse. And right now it would affect all of those orange areas except that all those orange areas are zoned RT9 and RT6 which doesn't allow them to get there But when we do the map changes we'll have this text in place that now will allow 18 or 36 as it may be Sorry, this is this is a very piecemeal and this is the way we just have to do this. It's a lot of tracking. Mixed residential moderate density is an area and I just referred to it in the last presentation. There are a number of... This wasn't, well I shouldn't say, in 2019 I believe it was the city, took it upon itself to correct some deficient parcels in the area just north of 64th Street and just south that, not even just more or less south of it, to allow them to have a, what was at that time going to be a townhouse type development. They were not as specific, it was not as specific in the form at that time. It was just allowing residential to happen on a smaller form and have some mix of uses. It was going to be 14 years to naker. It never got an act. The comprehensive plan description was enacted and passed and adopted. The zoning code to go with it, I I guess got tabled and never went forward. So we think it's a situation that's worth correcting in the future. So again, we will look at this and we will eliminate it, but we can't do it now when we do the map of amendments, we'll delete this part of the text. Multi-family residential. We had discussed for some time the idea that our density for multifamily throughout the city is fairly low. 24 units naked for stories is fairly low upper limit. However, and we had discussed raising that. However, before we came to this hearing and after planning board, we decided it may be the better idea to target where we want to have increased density more carefully and not allow that to spread throughout the city where we may have unintended consequences and more problems. So all these brown areas are the multi-family residential designation. We will be leaving the 24 units in nature as is. In the areas where we talk about targeting a higher density and a transition from Todd, we'll handle that with the Todd code that comes up in among following this. So we'll create another Todd sub-district that creates that transition, creates the higher density and we don't do it the entire category where we could have unintended consequences throughout the city. The only other change that's on there right now is to it has an allowance for office and retail uses. We got more specific instead that they have to the ancillary. Sir, I think we have a question. Commissioner Kaye. Did you have a question on this slide? Yeah. So looking at the multi-family residents on south of 70, the 74th Street east of 60 Second Avenue, you have that allocation of brown there. Are we saying that that's going to be RM 18, RM 24? Or because I was under the impression that some of this, you know, and I know Commissioner Leibnett's spoken about this about the higher densities positions there at that location. So I think it was at RM 64. No, I don't know. We had discussed 65 here on the public figure, which was basically just putting it at the same level of the prior density for sunset place. So the zoning in this area is RT18, RT24, there's some RT6 in there as well, all under the multifamily. A lot of those buildings to this density are actually legally non-compliant. They were built some time ago and they're more than 24 as it is. So on one hand, we know that we'll need a pretty good incentive to redevelop those, especially with the parking. We also want to make sure there's a transition. The only place where we want to do this is where we're transitioning down from transit support of district, where we're formally called Todd. So district, what we formally call Todd. So we're looking at that area, any possibility a little bit to the north or anywhere on the edges of the transit supportive district, we might want to do this where we limit what would be transit supportive district to only residential no-bonus is something around us. Mark, if I can just jump in and maybe help frame me a shoe more squarely. I think, in my speaking with staff, I think the consensus based on conversations with, you know, stakeholders was that even at 65 units an acre, that area would not transition, right, because there just was not enough yield with that additional density. So essentially we weren't going to be accomplishing anything. So rather than invite the prospect of something unwanted happening, we, I think the idea is to look at it and possibly shape something that's a bit more targeted that would result eventually in some of those assets being repositioned. Thank you, Mayor. Okay. Okay. Exactly. And then also in addition, we don't affect the areas that are further away from the transit support of district. I think the vice mayor has a comment. Yeah. Is it possible while these discussions are happening for us to have some kind of visibility to it? Because right now we're sitting and having the conversation. We said this but we did that and this and there's a lot of moving parts and for somebody who may not be the most well versed in what you were talking about, it is difficult to follow. So I'm not sure how moving forward we want to deal with that when we do these types of changes. I can't begin to even offer a suggestion other than to say, do we send an email that highlights the changes? Do we put something, hey, do we have a 10 minute conversation and highlight the changes? Something has to happen because as we move, I understand we're trying to move through this quickly, but we don't want to be left behind while we're moving through this quickly, but we don't want to be left behind while we're moving through this quickly. Yeah, if I just paint just that a little context to it, we're not making these map changes right now. These map changes will come before you later Later in the summer. So what he's giving you right now, I think is a preview of where where the thinking is at present That can change Obviously through throughout the process, but you're even this is like before So what he's trying to just do is show you yeah give us a heads up. Yeah exactly of hey This is what's coming I get that I just wonder between the hey heads up This is what's coming and hey you're voting on this right now. It over by if there's going to be some middle ground. Yeah, yeah, so I think the point is there's it's not over by right so today's action is the first step in in at least putting something in front of a bunch of other review agencies that are going to send us their comments or feedback and we certainly if there's something here you want to address you know I know that for Commissioner Liebman and Commissioner Cahya there's been some interest in this area south of 74th Street and seeing how we get more you know we've got some older product they'd like to see it modernized you know improved all-lottable goals but I think the initial feedback from staff was 65 units talking to people that would you know could consider buying it, redeveloping it, transacting it, was it's not going to get you there. Because most of those lots are not an acre. So you're going to get where you have 30 units, you're going to get 41. And so those 11 additional units really don't make the economics work. And again, we don't know if we want to. I don't know personally that I would be comfortable designating that it would save 150 units, which certainly we get people motivated, but it's up against a single family neighborhood. So those are, I think, the balances they're trying to strike as they analyze these different areas. Thank you. And just to add, Mayor, I think that my concern was just to make sure that the nomenclature or the text amendment reflected that. So I did know that maybe RM24 is actually the text amendment moving forward. And I was concerned with that, that's why I was bringing that up. All good questions. Continue, sir. Yeah, and it's a good question. And actually we have, we're trying to construct a framework and one of the other concepts that's important is that we, as we go forward particularly in the transit supportive district in downtown, we want to, we do want to have some incremental changes. So we may, for example, if we did make a large change on the end and offer a lot of density, we might have something happen there and absorb the market where we really wanted it more in the center. So we are dealing with the problem of trying to create a framework and then as we get to the mapping we'll have to do that fairly incrementally to people. But we create the framework that if somebody wants to apply they have the framework they're already and they don't have to create something. Does that make sense? So yeah. We'll get through there. Commercial retail and office. Again, very little change here. There are two things going on. And there's small text amendments. We don't really have much plan of change for this. It's the red area along US1, but it's also a red area on bird mode. One of the things that we wanted to change the text on that was one to take some of the language that specifies commercial uses as retailer office. We want to open it up a little bit more and deal with that in the zoning code. The other was to specify that it's really for US one because US one and bird road are very different contexts, very different forms and from the beginning we would like to at some point rezone bird road to something that's more appropriate to bird road. So we added language into commercial retail and office saying that it's really specific towards the type of highway that US one is parking, big parking lots in front, you know, which we don't want on purpose. So that's the only text there. Mixed use commercial residential. This is the underlying conference of plan element designation for the hometown district. And it is actually what limits the hometown district zoning. That was actually how we started on this, because we knew we couldn't change the zoning unless we changed the underlying comprehensive plan designation. However, we will be remapping that, the intent is to remap that to the transit support of districts. However, mixed use commercial residential is a very good fit for the future neighborhood mixed-use. Two or two stories, 24 units in acre. It would really fit that well. So we're going to keep the text. It will end up being remapped as we get to the map, but we're going to just create a little more definition as to vertical and horizontal mixed-use and also add language in there to direct it to where we want it. So in other words, we would like it to be on the corridors, the half-section line roads and the section line roads, bird roads, 67th, 62nd, red road, and going the other way, bird road, I guess, 60th, Miller, 64th, and sunset on the west side, west of downtown. So we added language to again, focus that to where we really wanted to happen. The transit supportive development, all this in this text amendment is to change the comprehensive plan to cash up with what was done by ordinance before. We added, it's no longer TODD, it's TSDD, transit support of development district. But again, we did similar to the commercial areas. We took out some of the very, the more specific language about the types of commercial uses. We want to leave that open and control of more of the zoning code. And yeah, I'm trying to sense as we get closer to the metro rail station, that's still in there. Downtown Somi, again, this is just the comprehensive plan. We've had some issues before where the comprehensive plan doesn't get updated. We're just going to update it to match the ordinance that was passed in November of 2023 for downtown Sony for the downtown Sony comprehensive plan text. RLC residential limited commercial. We would like to delete this, but again, it's kind of slated for will delete it when we do the map amendments. It's basically the underlying land use for the West Side of 62nd Avenue. It doesn't allow a lot of density. It's five units nacre and mixed use, completely unused in its capacity. We will delete it later. We have to leave it in right now because we can't leave land in the city without a nation to be long to, so to say. So it's slated to be deleted, but at the time that we do the mapping. And it would be replaced by neighborhood, it would be zoned later on with that designation, with neighborhood mixed use, some trans-supportive development district, I'm sorry, neighborhood mixed use and townhouse. So getting out of policy 1.1.1, which has all of the descriptions of different land uses. We have a few other things. They're fairly small. We have a goal and an objective about greenhouse gas reduction. We just wanted to be very specific that one of the things that we can do to have greenhouse gas reduction strategies is to add transit and walkable neighborhoods. We intend to do transit and walkable neighborhoods, compact mixed use development in downtown. We didn't say it and we added that language to make sure that that also supports greenhouse gas reduction strategies, which also helps us to support our land use plan, because we can say that supports greenhouse gas reduction strategies, which also helps us to support our land use plan because we can say that supports greenhouse gas reduction strategies. The hometown district has its own objective in the future land use element and we think that we can delete that because we will be replacing it in this entirety with the transit support of the development district. We will keep aspects, design aspects of the hometown district, but we'll include it in the transit support of the development district code. This is, you know, two names, two different things, but we'll include that in the code, particularly as we talk about what fronts along sunset. But again, we will be removing that. We intend to remove that in the future and we can remove it at this point from the text. It doesn't leave any land without a description. Transit supportive development district, it's again mostly language to make it TSDD instead of TODD and also to generalize the uses. And also we add a language to support the relocation of Jean Willis Park. Again, one of our issues going forward is we have a park designation in the parking lot outside of here as well as Jean Willis Park parking, we wanna be able to move the parks around within the city hall site. TDR removal, transfer development rights is right now in the conference of plan as a mechanism to move intensity away from its use for the special flood hazard area in the downtown. We don't need it and we have, which is been very clear that we don't want to have TDRs as a mechanism at all so we're removing the entire policy. The CRA is something we thought that we should probably remove. It's mentioned, we don't have a CRA anymore. However, on further thought, because this will interact a lot of policies in the housing element, and we decided to leave it in until we do the year-based amendment, the larger set of amendments. And finally, on bird road redevelopment, again, it's just language to add mixed-use redevelopment as a tool for bird road. Again, that's really speaking to the issue where we have the commercial residential category on bird road, and we would like to remove that and have something more appropriately scaled in the future. So again, thinking ahead, we made some language changes. We do meet all the criteria that we need to for being consistent with our requirements, with the internal, the rest of the comprehensive plan, and the code and all the requirements we did, a very quick concurrency review. We don't have much because it's only text and we're not mapping, but we do have a small increment of changes on concurrency because of the townhouse designation going from what is essentially 8.7 right now to 36. However, none of that can actually happen because they're own zoned, something else, but the text does technically cause a small, about 2% increase in trip generation and water use in those areas. We'll continue that's a big table and I know it's the first time you're seeing it, but we'll continue to work that table because we've been really working out all of the things on a lot by lot basis. We're using the property Fraser's database. So finally, thank you. It's complicated. I know it's piecemeal and this is just the way we have to do it. We're trying to do our best to keep track of everything. But I do want to remind you on the first reading that we've passed this to transmit. We had in the exhibit that you have deleted mixed residential moderate density and residential limited commercial, RLC and MRMD. We have proposed to delete those. We don't want to delete those. We want to keep them in. That was a mistake, the timing will be wrong on that. We would leave those properties without the designation So we would ask that make Instruct staff to make that change to transmit and then we'll transmit it. Thank you Thank you any questions of Mr. Alvarez Mr. Guy, nope Commissioner Lieben. I can't see you so Are you good any questions? Okay, seeing us a motion to adopt item 10 for transmittal. I'm sorry. My apologies. This is a public hearing item. If anyone would like to address this commission on item 10, please come forward at this time. Anyone on the zone please raise your vote. You see no one in the chamber and no one online will close the public hearing. Hey, colleagues, is there a motion? Thank you, Commissioner Lieben. As is our second I'm going to be in the next meeting. You see no one in the chamber and no one online will close the public hearing. The colleague is there a motion? Thank you, Commissioner Lieben. As they are second. We have a motion by Commissioner Lieben. Any comments, colleagues? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll please? Yes, Commissioner Collean? Yes. Commissioner Lieben? Yes. Vice Member Neige. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item passes 5-0. Colleagues, you will allow me one more personal privilege. I'd like to take item M2 since I know we have Someone here in the audience. It's a discussion item Madam clerk, if you can read that please and I guess we'll hear then from our city attorney Um a proposal to allow sales of second hand goods in a low-intensity office yellow district. Mr. City Attorney, do you want to introduce this item for us? Certainly. And does everyone have a copy of the memo that was provided? Okay. Okay. This is a pretty straightforward item. There's the code recognizes three or four types of used merchandise stores. One of those is secondhand goods. It's an establishment not representing the original manufacturer, distributor or retailer, which sells previously owned secondhand or vintage goods, apparel or products for their residual value as used merchandise. We were approached by a not-for-profit entity, a charitable organization that operates a secondhand goods store in connection with their charity. They are renting a property within the LO district and they requested that we consider allowing a used merchandise secondhand goods store within the LODStrix. We have three LODStrix in the memo. You can see the area. And this was kind of seen as a short-term solution. These LODStrix that you see in yellow in the memo will all be their comprehensive plan. The designation will be converted to the one that supports the mixed use, the mixed neighborhood use, which would allow this use anyway. So this is, you know, to allow this use to move forward, if it's your pleasure to do so, in the interim period, while this is being adopted. And tonight's action, if we were to advance this, it would refer basically to the planning board for discussion, correct? Aye. Yes, it would come to the planning board and then it would come to you for two readings. Okay. Questions of the city attorney? Done. Okay, is there a motion to refer this amendment to planning board? There's a motion by Commissioner Liebman. I'll second it. Second by Commissioner Coyne. Quick question. Do you want to also consider the consent? I would say yes. I mean yes. So there's another two uses of consignment and antique stores that would be authorized. I mean I'm thinking of the children's exchange. It would be so if the mover and the second are amenable I would also suggest we include them. I'm okay with it. Okay. So the seconder's amenable. I would also suggest we include them. I'm okay with it. Okay, so the seconder is amenable. The so is the mover. So the motion has been presented. Madam Clerk, if you could call the roll please. Yes, Commission Coyote. Yes, Commission Cori. Yes, Commissioner Lieben. Yes, Vice-Unbordnish. Yes, Mayor Fernandez. Yes, 5-0-2. Thank you, colleagues. Thank you, Mr. Dutri. Okay. We'll get back to regular order. Colleagues, you want to hear presentations? You want to just dispense of the action items before we? Why don't we dispense of the consent items? Let's take the consent items. Are there any items on the consent agenda anyone would like to discuss? Seeing no work. Are you good on all the consent items. I just had a question and I when I had had my meeting with our city manager I had asked him. Seeing that there was $85,000 on number five from the police. Let's pull number five. Okay. So we'll pull number five. Any others on the consent agenda? Okay, seeing none. Others, Madam Clerk, if you can read items one through four, and I'll happily entertain a motion. Yes. Item one, it was written in the City Commission of the City of Southambe, Portland, are proving their purchase of cheerleading equipment for a BS force LLC for the Southambe Grays Goal's Chair Program in amount of $5,600. Item 2, Errelsen's of the Mayor's City Commission of the City of Southamming, approving the renewal of an annual software subscription with Dash platform, LLC, DBA Day Smart, recreation for recreation businesses, management software, and amount not to See $5,499.96. Item 3, a resolution of the Mayor's City Commission of the City of Southampton for the approving and proposal and project agreement with Kimley Horn and the Association for a Permanent Construction and Administrative Services related to the priority. One structure and waterproofing repairs to the Southampton Municipal Parking Garage, and amount of $37,296. Item item four that was which of the mayor's city commission of the city of soft money for the approval of a tire changing machine from genuine parts company dba napa out of parts for the public works department mode of cool division and amount to see eleven thousand nine hundred nine dollars. Great thank you for that is there a motion items9. Great. Thank you for that. Is there a motion? It was a one through four. I move the motion. I move the items. Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Kai. A second by Commissioner Leedman. Thank you for that. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. Yes, Commissioner Kai. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Leedman. Yes. By example, please. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. The First and bonnish mayor Fernandez. Yes, I'm the same past five zero. Thank you. Do you want to take item five and advice mayor at this time? Yes, please. Please. OK. And clerk, if you read item five, please. Item five. Everyone in the mayor's city can be sure this idea is something Florida related to a fiscal year 2023, 2024 budget, authorizing the budget transfer of $85,000 by the police legal service of the count number 0-1-1910-521-3120 and the person of the vision liability account number 0-1 133513-4510 to the city of attorneys other professional legal services account number 0-1-1500-514-3410 Thank you. Madam Vice Mayor recognize for questions of that's 3410. Thank you. Madam Vice Mayor, recognize for questions of the city, Turing. Thank you. It's more of I had during my meeting with him, I asked for alternatives for pulling the money from the police legal services to see where else was going on. Okay, so your question is related to other financial accounts that we can drop on? Okay. Sub-servver all. I don't know if you've had a chance to address that question of the manager? So, Vice Mayor Ray Zishua had mentioned that the, her question specifically was on the police legal services line item and had mentioned that staff had looked at line items that we do not anticipate for the balance. Before you move on, you just for our benefit, because I don't have to recall, what was that line item budgeted out for this fiscal year, and where are we relative to the budget amount for that specific line item, if you've got that information? You have a balance, yeah. So, Riverwell, you recognize. Good evening. The balance on that is $40,000. Good evening. The balance on that is $40,000. It's for litigation related to police matters. When we start looking at other line items that are, it doesn't affect operations for the determination of fiscal year, that was the one that we identified and there have been some legal services provided for the police, hence why it's designed to do exactly what it's supposed to be? We had a part of those funds also would be for arbitration and we have no. Depending on arbitration managers. Yeah, no present matters forthcoming. I also took a look at some of the expenditures that were city attorney expenditures that were related to police, to kind of see a correlation potentially. And about nine different categories, seven of them are almost actually eight or nine of them. Touch police matters. They were having to do with the police compliance hearing questions about police pension. We did it a cadet, police cadet, MOU that had to be reviewed legally. And so there's been some miscellaneous expenses that you know would be deemed police. But yeah, so I think that fund was identified just because we don't have any arbitration forthcoming. And even if there were going to be agreements that results into an arbitration, by the time we're into that, we're in the next fiscal year basically. Thank you for giving me the background. Yeah. Thank you. Now, there was a question about alternate accounts. Are there any alternate accounts that were identified? That could be. A photo site. No. You did not. OK. Fair enough. I just want to make sure we got you that answer. So you're welcome. Okay, further questions, colleagues. Commissioner Lieben, are you good? Okay, thank you, sir. So I'll move the motion. You'll move the motion to approve. Madam Vice Mayor, any other questions you want to answer? I'm good. Okay. So motion by Commissioner Cuyah is here a second. A second. Second by Commissioner I'm good. Okay. So motion by Commissioner Kaye is there a second? A second. A second by Commissioner Kaye. Okay. Can I get on with Commissioner Kaye this time? So motion by Commissioner Kaye a second by Commissioner Corye. Any further discussion of this item? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, if you can read the role, please. Yes. Commissioner Kaye? Yes. Commissioner Corye? Yes. Yes. Vice-member Lee. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item pass is five. Okay. Colleagues, we've got item six seven and two presentations as well as a discussion on a noise ordinance. What's the board's pleasure? We would like to take up next. And I would say for the audience to get the discussion items out. The discussion item on okay Commissioner Leib Lieben, where you wanna go. I'm seeing some. As soon as the two items left on the agenda, it's from the agenda seven's housekeeping item. So. Okay. Let's run through, okay, then we'll take your word of the day. Let's go through the presentation, then. Mr. Muirette, you're recognized. Mr. Mouierrette, you're recognized. Mr. Mayor, while we're set up for that, this presentation is a result of the place-making work that Plusorby has been doing and they're here to report on understatus, task one. So what you're going to be hearing is some of the findings as task one, which is really more of the findings as task one, which is really more the analytical. And they've already begun doing work on other tasks, but we wanted to kind of bring this to a close to share their findings on the analytics portion. Appreciate that. Mr. Rear Act. Is there any way we can keep this to 15 minutes so we can have some questions? I'm sure there will be a few. I will do my best. Okay. I'm do you do that then? If this works. Hopefully your clicker works, yes. All right. Perfect. So I'll try and keep it very brief. I know you have a lot on your plate. Fortunately, you've already heard a lot about zoning and a lot about planning and a lot about roads already. So we're perfectly teed up. And I can probably skip a lot of that information. As you know, we've put together a report that analyzes and discovers everything. And it helps us, as you know, this is the phase one of five different tasks that we have. And this allows us to have a benchmark and information so that as we design as we move forward with the tasks, we know where we came from and what the existing conditions are. So you're very familiar with the area, I'm not going to go through it. We have a boundary that we're looking at with a focus on sunset drive and we look through your studies and honestly you've already got a lot of the policies in place and you've already got a lot of the policies in place and you've already got a lot of the planning in place and you already, as I just heard from Corradino, you already are moving forward with some changes to the zoning which is going to help a lot of the work that we are going to be working on. More than anything within the hometown district. Currently you have 40% only 40% of your area in the hometown district is TOD. So look at that TOD and making sure that this includes a larger area it will help in part to emphasize the need for pedestrian access to the station, which is very much related to the work that we have at hand, which is the roadways. We've also noticed that you have a lot of vacancy and under utilization of some of your parcels are on here. And there's also a lot of demand I have here with my colleagues business player that will talk to you about the type of demand that we're seeing and positioning the downtown in a way that it can capture that energy and that potential investment will be beneficial for the entire city. Generally, and again, I'm going super fast so you can stop me if you want. We will, we will, no worries. There's a, we've looked at not only at quantities, but also at the quality of the street. You'll notice that, and this is no surprise to anybody I'm sure, to the east you've got more quality of a space and to the west. It's somewhat deficient. Part of our task moving forward will be to make everything, you know, 10 out of 10, okay? I could go on, there's more detail to the report, so if you feel that I'm going too fast you can always read the report after. A few pictures to show you the conditions, I'm gonna let my colleague from Business Flair, Alison, just this to come speak in the next slide, but just to say land use and the frontage that we have on these streets is just as important as the street itself. So this is why we feel that we really need to take this first step to move to the next one. Thank you. Good evening, Alice and Justice. So as far as the data goes, let's look at the socioeconomic context of the downtown area. And we're really looking to activate both the east and west side of US1. I'm sorry, north and south side. We know that most of the activity is on the south side. So in looking at the population, the city's median age is fairly young, although it's ticked up a couple of points in the last few years. So at 38.5 is the median age of the town. Most of, you have a lot of home ownership. So there is about 50% home ownership, which is pretty pretty high and you have a lot of family owners here as well So there's there's 55% family households, which is higher than Miami-Dade County The income is higher than the county life on that point or is that what year is that meeting meeting come from? That was done 55% I'm assuming that he pulled this in 2022 Okay, cuz I yeah, I think it's I it's, we're at 79,000 now. Okay. Countywide, so that's why I asked. Okay. So you're in between, you're in a good position, you're in between two higher income cities, which is a good spot for South Miami to be in. It makes it you more attainable and more attractive. And as with, you know, you kind of call out here, as with most of South Florida, housing transportation costs are very high, ranging between 35% and 52%. That is not uncommon. You know, we see that a lot, which is why you've talked about affordable housing, workforce housing, and so forth. When you look at the office real estate market and the retail real estate market, you have these reports, so there's a lot of graphs in there, but I really just want to call out what the main points of these are. And it is that there is more demand really than there is supply. You have a low vacancy rate both in the office market and in the retail markets. There's not a lot of turnover because people don't want to leave because there's not a lot of, you know, again, there's not a lot of places for them to go. So you'll see, you see both your office and retail market really being holding pretty steady. So when you look at your charts, you'll see kind of really some steady trends. Vacancy rates are lower than the average for the office market and again in the retail market it's dropping. You'll see in the also in the retail space you know the retail confidence the cap rate is low at 5.35 percent that means it's a 10 year low it means there is confidence in the retail market and you could stand to use more retail facility spaces. Allison, before you move on, just on this slide, when you say not all prospective tenants can be accommodated, what kind of tendencies do we not have product for? Both the retail and the office. So there are, they can see again being the low even the averages means that there are people looking that aren't able to find the spaces that they need. Well, we don't have, is there any qualitative data as to what the size of the tenancies are today? What's the typical tenancy in South Miami and are there opportunities that we should be looking at exploiting in terms of encouraging developers to consider building certain kinds of products that bring in a more diverse tenant mix? My guess is that we probably have a lot of small solo practitioners or smaller businesses that are occupying our office spaces. Certainly my wife is the prototypical one, right? So I just wanna get, if there's a way to get a flavor of that, we don't need to do it today, but we appreciate that subtext. Yes. Thank you. We can get that data. As for the residential real estate market, again, since the pandemic, obviously during the pandemic, there was, you know, there was, there's little change in inventory now because during the pandemic, the listings, the sales went down. They really haven't recovered, which means that the supply is down and the demand went down, they really haven't recovered, which means that the supply is down and the demand is up, which is why you see a $400,000 price surge since 2019, between 2019 and 2022, 23, and the median house prices. So these projects that we show below really highlight that you do have some things underway to provide more housing, hopefully it'll ease that real estate market a bit, but that just shows what you have going on currently. And we also looked at some foot traffic trends downtown. The foot traffic is declining, but it's possibly due to the declining activity in the shop, so there's some things going on there, but you do have some unique customers. So you have a lot of unique customers coming in, but a lot of them come back. So it's getting more activities for people to come back to in the downtown. Locally though, your visitors are loyal. They come back, the ones that come come a lot and they're usually, they're fairly local residents as well. 80% of the visitors coming to the East side of US1, again, this just highlights the need to activate the West side of US1 as well. So with that, I will turn it back over to Juan. We'll move through. And you're going to be be a little bit of overtime. So thank you for that. In part, you're doing pretty well, Juan. OK? Well, I still see the three minutes there. No, yeah. They ignore that. Extra three minutes. So to answer your question, there's more information on that report. And we have more data that did not make it into the report because otherwise it would have been a much longer report. But that data we have, and in part is because the latest tenants that have been looking around in South Florida are much larger than what you've got here, and you don't have much new construction. So your 20,000s, your 30,000s, your 10,000s are difficult to find in South Miami. So you're 30,000, even your 10,000s are difficult to find itself in the AME. So you're missing out on some opportunities there. That's because you have an aging downtown with existing, and as Alison mentioned, your tenants are not moving because they don't know where else to go. All right, so with that said, where am I? Right here. So the fortunate thing is that you own all your streets pretty much. Apart from Red Road, you own them all. So if you want to make improvements, if you want to make places more attractive, if you want to use the proverbial, if you build it, they will come, you can do it. You have to follow certain standards and regulations, but you pretty much have, unlike other cities, a much better, a much better position to do it. A really surprising fact, 94% of your workers in South Miami do not live in South Miami. Why am I bringing this up? You've got a lot of commuting in and out. Okay, so we didn't wanna just tell you you've got a commuting problem. We wanted out. Okay, so we didn't want to just tell you you've got a commuting problem, we want to know from where, and that's part of the analysis that business player was doing is where are people coming from? And what roads are they using? So when we're seeing traffic, and we're seeing people turning, taking a left, taking a right, where are they going, especially at peak hours, because that's when people get upset, you know, and then they come here and they complain about traffic. Do they not? Okay. Traffic and affordability. So that's really interesting and so that has an effect, a pretty big effect on the traffic conditions. The three major things that we looked at were the level of service, the speeds, and the average annual daily traffic. You can see the one in the middle. I mean, that's pretty telling. People are not driving as slow as they should. And partly, it's because they're trying to get out quickly. And then we also see that, as you know, US1 is the one road that has the most traffic. I'm not going to go into details because you already heard DOT and they were very detailed on that. But needless to say, we looked at, especially on sunset, the turning conditions, the signalization and how people turned. There's a bunch of numbers there, honestly, I don't understand them all. That's why we brought in the engineers. They've got a much more in-depth analysis. And again, we can go over it if you want. But we did make a modification to that chart that to me is unreadable. And I know, vice-mayer, but this is much easier to understand that what the number of people are showing. You know, I don't look at my face. Let me explain it real quick. So these arrows are at the PM. They are the commuting out. I know, it is really difficult to graphically show what's going on in terms of traffic. So the arrows are the direction, the bigger the arrow, the more traffic you've got. As you can, and we, you know, what's interesting is that if you want to increase and if you want to improve your patrons in downtown, which is something that we are really interesting. By the way, people mostly shop in the afternoons on their way back home. That's why we are really interested in the PM and how people are moving out of your city. Remember, 94% of your workers are getting out. And what we would like to do is to figure out a way for to retain them so that they spend their money here before they get to their destination. Mayor was saying 94% of your workers are not from South Miami, that's huge. And so everybody's getting in their car. Hopefully, eventually people will start using more of the metro rail and the buses, and I'll show you another slight minute. But what you see here is your US one is not is neither capturing or diverting traffic into your downtown. If anything you see that huge arrow to the west or north depending on how you look at it. US one is the diagonal. It's a people are just driving, driving through and by us essentially. It's moving west, right? And that's the biggest arrow that's because people moving south from on US one and then taking an easy right and then getting out. So they're not taking a left partly because there's no way to take a left on sunset. But partly, you know, even if you go down on red road, you see that that's the second largest arrow that we've got people taking a left on red road. You see that that's the second largest arrow that we've got people taking a left on red road they keep on going south they're not turning into sunset so you're not capturing those those trips either. I'm gonna leave it at that there's much more to it. I think we have a question from Commissioner Leibin. Commissioner Leibin? You're recognized. Thank you. Yeah number one 100% they come to say lives in the city. But no, my point is that I understand, and that is an exorbitant number in the 90s, but we have a very large retail area, and commercial area, the city is only two and a half or two and a quarter square miles. So there's a lot of single family. There's practically no condos, some dated apartments, all low rises. So, you know, it doesn't surprise me. When we say that we compare those with our cities, right, we won't have the commercial component that Miami Beach does, but we certainly have, you know, relative to residential much more than, than, than pie and crest and on the bay and so forth. That's one thing we have to consider when we look at that high number is that we have a large commercial on retail ratio to residential. Yeah, can we start? I think I think the point is that there's an opportunity to capture more of those people if we offer product into the city. So I get all that it's not a straight numbers. Yeah, no, I agree. Right. I would also look at the residents commissioner. So again, this is a summarized version, a speed it up summarized version of the report. But needless to say, we're going to use everything that we have including the numbers that you just mentioned with the residents and the retailers in order to inform the next steps of our report. So safety conditions, you know, there's pedestrian crashes. Again, I'm not going to go into detail. There's unfortunate pedestrian crashes. And those are probably going to increase as people use the TOD more, the transit more, the more pedestrians you put on the street, the more bicycles you put on the street, the more friction you potentially have. And so again, more of a reason to look at these sections and make sure that we provide as much safety and access to destinations as possible. And yes sir. When was the date range for the crashes and all that stuff for you? This is the first one. Three years. I am a wide recording group. This was five years from January 1st, 2019 to December 31st, 2023. Thank you. Thank you. We can't prepare it. So, for this year in crashes and vehicular crashes, again, you see where this is at. There's other graphics in the report that I can refer you to. And then, you know, the need to improve bike and bed infrastructure is key, again, to emphasize. The fact that you are one of the very few downtowns that has a metro rail right there. Yes, you have US one, which is a barrier. And more of a reason to improve that intersection, that connectivity between East and West. And let's not forget that it's not just about the vehicles, it's about getting people on foot and on bike onto the station. Especially if most of them are on the east side, right? So that's critical. The other thing that we saw is that in order to improve these, there are some deficiencies in your city today. Some things that are not design flaws, there are just weathered and worn out. Through the inventory, we saw that about 80% of the crosswalks have low visibility. And these pictures are during the day, so you can only imagine walking at night. It makes it even harder. And in some ways, it stops people from actually being at being on foot. We also noticed in a few places within the study area, those sidewalks are actually missing. And here they are, a few of them. Again, there's more that we did an inventory for. But again, these are things that we want to improve. These are things that we want to highlight today so that as we move forward we want to make sure that there is no gaps in your mobility within the downtown, especially in the downtown. And especially if you're going to increase your residential base, increase your retail, increase your office, et cetera. With that, I'm gonna give this to Curtis and Rodgers who did a more in-depth, not, we'll still stay under 15. But a more in-depth analysis of the streets. You're over, but we'll forgive you. Oh, I have one more. It's just the transit conditions. Again, I don't have to tell you, you're very well served in terms of transit. So there is no excuse to get people out of their cars and onto transit if the destination and if the origin is right And if we provide balance lab uses which as I see from your career in your studies It is exactly what you guys are doing Sorry, this this slide reflects the better bus better bus network project changes as well. Yes, the latest. OK, thank you. I believe so. OK. Well, you don't find the concern that we don't have transit coming in down from 57th Avenue anymore? I do, but I have not done that analysis. But I've looked at it as what exists here today. And so as we move forward, we may find that that is a deficiency that was taken out from the latest update to the plan. You do have most of the mobility, honestly, if we're comparing with other cities, again, your transit station, your metro rail is, you know, your biggest asset. Hi, I'm Jenny Rogers from Curtis and Rogers. I'm just going to briefly go through looking at it. How do I see? I'm looking at the things that you just have to do. No, no, I'm just trying to see it myself. I have to look up here to see what I'm looking at. We're still. You can just press next. Oh, now I see. Thank you. I don't see well enough to look at that. And no, we're not seeing. Sorry. Looking just at the urban heat island for your area, and you can see the areas that are redder or the hotter areas, lighter areas are less hot, pretty obvious here. Just there's definitely a correlation between paved spaces and green spaces being cooler. So we're looking at that. You can look at the canopy that we see around the city. This is sort of a mapping of the existing canopy. There's a fair amount of canopy in some areas and some lots of them. You've got to use the clicker so we can see it with you. Oh I'm sorry. Yeah see I I've got that in there. Here you go. Technology, sorry about that. What we did notice about some of the existing canopy, especially in a downtown area, is that it's growing in very restricted conditions. So it can only get so large. And you're going to start having trouble with some of the larger trees in the next few years, probably, because of the conditions they're growing in. You can see in the pictures here like the one on the left is an example of a tree growing in a constricted space. There are ways that we can improve, you can improve the space for the tree with leaving the tree in place and we've done some of that in coconut growth for them. They have a lot of trees there that they're very attached to and they always want to improve their sidewalk space but keep their trees. So there are ways that you can do that that we might recommend makes some recommendations for. We also just notice that you know like you have a lot of palm trees around palm trees. Palm trees are pretty, but they're not providing the same amount of shade that canopy trees are. So, even if you want the palms grouping them, like they are in front of Sunset Place there on the corner of the wayfinding, the furnishings, bus stops lighting. So there's a complete mapping of this and the report that you guys can look at. This is going to help us as we move on to the next phase and we start looking at sunset drive and ways to improve it. That's just an example of what the mapping looks like. I'm not going to go through it. And then as you go through the port there are sections. So we did sections all along sunset along the east side and west side of US one and sunset it we tried to kind of capture each different section because it changes a lot as you go down the street. This is moving starting for this east and you can see we go from palms to trees we go to to have a median then we don't have a median. And so it keeps changing. And here there's arcades, some places there aren't. So, and we get on the other side of US1, and then we have the median in the middle there, again, more medians. So it's a lot of variety going on. So looking at ways to, we'll be looking at ways to kind of unify that in some way, maybe without necessarily reconfiguring the road, but ways to unify it in other ways, right, whether it's through paving or other amenities. So that's, and just so you know, we want to go through them. And I'm not going to talk about them a lot, but there's a bunch of, we did a series of other streets around. And the big picture that we got from doing this was that because we were said, oh, we're going to do one typical section of each street. We learned that there was really no such thing as one typical section of many of these streets. So they changed drastically sometimes from block to block. So it's just a really a real inconsistency in terms of the sidewalks and the space and the parking going back and forth. And if you look through this, you can start to see some evidence of that. I mean some streets are more so than others. Can I say just a question. Are they all 50 foot rightaways or are there are there different size rightaways? There are different size rightaways within this project area too. And some of them were we found you know some encroachments into like we're kind of going well the right away should be this but look that's there so there were some interesting occurrences. So the guys who were out in the field were going, I don't know what to call that. I don't know where the right way is there. We tried to look at the plat books, and sometimes it just did not match up. So there's just some inconsistencies. But I think, again, just kind of understanding that there is a great deal of variety in the streets, that it's not a uniform thing. So choosing sort of one solution is not necessarily going to fit everything. That's just sort of the big picture with that. And that's back to one. Thank you. And that's it, that's almost the conclusion. But what the challenges and needs that we found, basically the what we've learned. So you've just heard the streets here in South Miami are like a pop luck, right? You don't know what you're going to get. Like, what's the expression? It's like a box of chocolates. Run for us, run. This was very useful for us. I hope it made me to corner. The report has a lot more detail. Happy to sit down with each of you as we move on to the next phase if you have any questions about the report itself. But as we move forward, what we want to make sure is that we capture not just a good identity for South Miami, but also the stakeholders' opinions and visions and goals. We would love to meet with you one-on-one once again as we move on to the next phase. I think we have that planned and we are planning to hold our public workshops at the Lincoln Center, so when people are back from vacation we would like to make sure that everybody is here when we do those. Through the mayor. Yes sir, you're recognized. So you said that it's scheduled is it scheduled because I it's not on my calendar. I want to make sure that we start scheduling. No yeah that's that we're planning. Okay so we're moving as fast as we can because there's some timeline conditions that we have to meet but that's that's the goal. I think that was my 15 minutes. Maybe 15 and 15 but it's not too bad. Okay questions of Mr. Weiritt and his team everyone good? I think the the data's 15 minutes. Maybe 15 and 15 but it's not too bad. OK. Questions of Mr. Weir at NIS team? Everyone good? No, I think the data is good. It's a good start. I think now you guys understand why you guys are here. And challenges. By way of information, I'd like to sus out some more again. Very interested in prospective tendencies what the market looks like, what the opportunities are, and also where people are coming from. So I don't know if your cell phone data helps us understand where users are inbound from, like what's our natural retail catchment area. Just like to understand that and the demographic, social economic demographics of those individuals, if that's something you can help us socialize as well. If you'd like, we had a very in-depth presentation on that. I'd love to have it one-on-one. If you'd like a one-on-one reason is I need a pitch deck that I talk to people. And you know, I agree. I'll call the exels and the... Yeah, okay. Thank you. We can show you all the data in the background. But excellent work. Thank you very much. Thank Okay, colleagues, we have a discussion item on, oh chief had field, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Commissioner Lee Benesser. Yes, thanks. I just want to make some comments. So very, very good start. I definitely like to set up a meeting. I'd also like to copy this presentation. This isn't in the back up. And thanks for not recommending black olives on the sidewalks. Thank you, Commissioner. Okay, Chief Hatfield, my apologies. Honorable Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioner. We have a guest tonight with us. I'd like to virtually introduce you to Ryan T. Novak. He's a fourth year student at the University of Miami, majoring in motion pictures with a minor in advertising. He's a strong passion for both commercial and documentary filmmaking and Ryan is committed to highlighting the meaningful and untold stories. One of his notable projects here included collaborating with us with the South Miami Police Department to produce a behind-the-bad or humanizing the bad recruitment video which showcases of his notable projects here included collaborating with us with the South Miami Police Department to produce a behind the badge or humanizing the badge recruitment video which showcases the officers behind the badge and the nobility of policing. So John if you don't mind I would ask you to play that video for us. I'm helping people. Helping people is the best thing that I can do. The best gift that God gave me is to be able to help somebody. I have resources to be able to help people. You gotta have a strong mind and a strong bound. You want to try to have outlets. Be with family, be with friends. There's a lot of benefits to the train that we get, that we can give to people outside in the community. Joining the police force meant that I got to stay here and make a difference in some of life. I saved lives and I stopped crying from happiness. I have a one year old and a 13 year old. I take as much vacation as I possibly can with my family. You have to be mentally strong to help these people out. Our chief is very pro-training. We have specialized units. And we also have a lot of community activities. South Maya is the farm and growing. The opportunities are there. We're in a really tight community. So we're really close with the citizens of South Maya. I want these people to know that I'm here for them, not only as a police officer, but as a friend. All right, Ryan, are you with us, virtually? Yes, I am. Ryan, any comments from your section or your way out there I'm very glad that you guys had the opportunity to see this video. It was an absolute pleasure to work with the South Miami Police Department. And on very proud with what we've had the opportunity to create. So I'm excited for more people to say it. Thank you very much for having me tonight and I'm very glad that you guys had the opportunity to see this video. It was an absolute pleasure to work with the South Miami Police Department. And I'm very proud with what we've had the opportunity to create. So I'm excited for more people to see it. Thank you Ryan. And in appreciation for you, I have a Chiefs Award here. Unfortunately, you couldn't make it in person. School was out in Europe and Pennsylvania with family and friends. But I'll read to you. It says, we here by honor Ryan Novak in recognition for your passion commitment and community service and humanizing the badge through video Filming editing and production for the South Miami Police Department Science chief Rio Hatfield June of 2024 We'll get this out to you Before too long. So I'll get it. I'll get with you offline and we'll get your mailing addresses Ryan are you back here in the fall? Yes, I will be back in the middle of August. Why don't we have you back at the beginning of September or we can do it in person if that's okay. Love to make sure we honor you. We appreciate all the time and effort you put into this. Very well job, very well done. And I think it's emblematic of the kind of relationship we want to have with the University of Miami and the student body. We know you guys can be a credit to a lot of what we're trying to do here and I think this is a great example of the ways students and our city can partner together. So thank you for for being a shining example of what our partnership could be. Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure. Give us a relief and you're recognized, sir. And Ryan, a personal promise to you, we won't make you sit through the entire meeting next time. My apologies. I did not realize that you were online for this item. We would have moved it up earlier. So well, as we did with someone. So thank you for your patience. Thank you. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Chief. We appreciate it. Have a good night. Thank you. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Chief. We appreciate it. Have a good night. Thank you. Okay. We've got a discussion item. If we can introduce M1, please. Madam Clerk. It's Norris Ornith's modifications, Egyptian and town center and decibel restriction and single family residential areas. Mr. Manager, do you want to introduce this item or? I'll just hit up and then I'll let the attorney who did some of the background work working with our Director of Development Services. So we had been looking at some incidents of reports having to do with noise from a single family neighborhood standpoint and are difficulty in challenges in trying to address and potentially have something that can be held up from having a standard when we go out to measure potentially noise and deal with it and enforce it. And so as a result of some of those complaints, we've had some internal conversation about it. And I know Director Cabrera has worked with our attorneys a little bit. So the attorney wrote a memo that provides some information I believe you have in it, let Tony sort of share a little bit of his thoughts on this, want to bring it as a discussion item and potentially make some tweaks that would take us in a different direction as it relates to a noise ordinance. Thank you. So there's two matters that I guess we're specifically proposed for discussion. One was the vice mayor wanted us to talk about the exempting or limiting the application of the noise restrictions in the town center and the downtown Somide District specifically because and I I don't wanna put words in your mouth, Vice Mayor, but I'll just try to summarize. If we're gonna make it a locus of activity and we have noise limitations that conflict with that, we may be creating conflicts that will limit what, you know, the activity that we're trying to foster there. The other element of this, and this is something that Ms. Cabrera had raised, she's been working on changing the way we measure the maximum noise limitation, specifically in the single family district, but it can be, I guess, enlarged to the entire city. And what she's trying to get at is a decibel limitation as opposed to our current standard which is plainly audible at 100 feet. So that's the language that was proposed here. It's a specific decibel standard. We would have to be able to measure it and train our code enforcement officers to read, you know, to actually take these measurements and we'd have to specify where they come from. Now, can I ask a question about that? There was an assumption I just want to make sure is correct in this, and that is that it's our code enforcement officers that are going can be responding to this complaint tonight my experience often. It's it's our police officers that end up being the front line people on these matters So that's an excellent point. Okay. That's an excellent point. I think we would need both Okay, so we're able to be I think when we move to this kind of a standard we will need some sort of I forget excuse the I don't know the name of the instrument, but we will need some sort of I forget excuse the I don't remember the name of the instrument But we will need some way to To measure that in fact people are exceeding these Directionals of the ambient noise during these hours. So you know, do we have a sense with the cost attended to this Enforcement approach I would be at this time we have that so I just again as we move into the budget somebody to think about and I think this is probably a better standard. The delay I would say is that our current standard is probably easier to police, no pun intended, because it's, it does not require a reading of any kind or any technology. So just something for us to consider as we move forward, but I think it seems to be a very well calibrated proposal. Yeah, the one thing we would add in this is, I think it seems to be a very well calibrated proposal. Yeah, the one thing we would add in this is, you know, Mr. Rango and I were looking at the Doys ordinance earlier today and there are a lot of outdated, you know, antiquated provisions, steam whistles, I don't think we hear too many of those anymore. There's a lot of things like that, so we would recommend if we're gonna pop up the hood on the noise ordinance, we should really clean it up. Yeah, I mean, I think we should simplify to be any noise, whether it's manmade or from any sort of other technology. I think specifying the technologies gets dates very quickly, probably a better way to draft it. I do have a question about the exemption. I don't disagree with the vice mayor's suggestion generally, because it is an area that we want to introduce activity. But I was recently had a visit with a woman who served as a nightlife mayor. Pretty New York, I didn't know if these positions existed. Her job was to kind of help reconcile a lot of the conflicts between nightlife bars, restaurants, clubs that obviously have amplified music or live entertainment and budding neighborhoods. Probably a good local example where this conflict is evolving more quickly every day is win-wood. Often neighborhoods are kind of made by their kind of nightlife scene or art scene, and then over time, residential gets added and these conflicts kind of become very pronounced. And so I think my only concern about a blanket exemption is that noise travels, right? And so we may just want to think about a blanket exemption and also as we're hoping to think about a blanket exemption and also as we're hoping to see more units come online one of the things from the conversation and I'm happy to connect our staff with this individual and maybe they can help inform what was done elsewhere in New York is there may be an element here for projects within the town center to maybe incorporate certain kind of noise attenuation aspects, particularly on the residential side, that often the new residential users will become the complainants about noise. And I think we all want to see a more vibrant and robust scene for lack of a better word in our town center. When I was knocking on the doors last cycle, people would like to see micro breweries and a wider variety of bars or restaurant venues that they can frequent. I just want to make sure maybe we can incorporate some requirements or some incentives for people to add like double paying glass, for example, it's a little thicker, right? A little more costlier, but would create a better living environment for people living most adjacent to those uses, right? In the town center, and maybe that buys them an exemption from enforcement of these particular code elements, right? Yeah, and the place that it comes from and during my discussions with the city manager, I said, look at what happened, how we got where we are. If you look at it and I'm going to say it wrong because I can't have that kind of memory. When I was on the planning board, it was literally like you can't hear it from the sidewalk in front of the restaurant. And I'm like, okay, you just have to walk through downtown right now and I can tell you anybody who has an open door is already in the wrong. And there was a huge conflict at one point between someone who lived in the apartments at sunset place who bought it, knowing what was going on downstairs and then proceeded to call the police on a daily basis. And I'm sorry, but I think our police is a lot better than this. That is exactly the kind of conflicts that this woman and I discussed for getting her name at the moment. But I think there's also maybe there's a way for us to kind of as an incentive to inoculate the developer property owner builder from these kind of complaints if they do certain things to mitigate those future conflicts. If you're going to have a mixed use project, and you want to activate it with F&B, and hopefully it's a lively scene, but you add double playing glass, or triple, I don't know what the standard would be, triple playing glass to kind of provide some noise attenuation in the building. Then I think an exemption would be something that I would be very comfortable by, because you're thinking through those conflicts, so that we don't get brought in to provide the enforcement, so that might be just something to think about. I think it's, yeah. You know. I don't disagree with you at all. This is literally, yeah. Sorry, Commissioner Lieben, my apologies, sir. Yeah, we don't see you. You're recognized, sir. Go ahead. You're welcome. Yeah, so one, sorry, just backing up one. And I know you missed me last time, but with the with place making one thing I wanted to say, which was a mention is sunset places, and it's going to change the entire landscape of traffic patterns. It's going to be the biggest economic driver in the city ever will see and believe ever. So I would just like for that group to take that into account. But secondly, to provide some further context, the vice mayor alluded to either were condos for government 40-something condos. It's on some place and one lady kept complaining when brother Jimmy's took the former Damorino space and they ended up having to shut down their outdoor bar and then ditched that in terms of homes as well. Specifically, we live between 58-59th Avenue, 80th and 87th were three homes that are rented to students. Could always tell because one there were a lot of cars, two there were always in the grass, and three they always had northeastern plates. But because of market conditions, there are no more college students renting homes any longer, they just homes have just become too expensive in the area. But that was probably one of the number one complaints when I first took office. It's the homes in the area rented by college students. And that's exactly, I think, the source of one of these policy ideas, commissioner. We have another home a little bit in the middle section of the city, north of the sunset, where we have that very same conflict. So, for the comments or questions, colleagues? When we're talking about all of these different times, can we do like a simplified version of this? I mean, if I'm a resident and I'm trying to think I can have this noise from this time to this time, this time to this time, I can't do this, I can't do that. People generally have, and I mean, call me stupid and that's okay, but I'm like, okay, you know what, if I'm having a party, I can party until 11.59, but come midnight, I know I have to turn down my music because everybody else is wanting to go to sleep. And that for me is like a common sense thing. I'm not thinking about APM or, I'm not thinking about those things. And so we not only need to think about how we're putting this together, we need to think about how we're rolling this out, because if you show up in my house at 8 p.m. for lack of the right word, I'm gonna be like super upset because I'm like, why are you crying in my house at eight o'clock? So we have to think of more than just writing this on the paper. We have to think about how we're gonna tell people this because we suck at that, sorry, but we do. Like get a lot better. Madam Wester, I agree and I really don't know whether Madam Director, if you can address it as well. I don't know if there's a really significant audible difference between 75 decibels and 70, which are what the outer limits would be under all the time proposals here. I don't know if you could help address that just to get a sense of what that compares to. So the decibel readings are on a log scale so the difference between 70 and 75 is significant. It's not just five you know points or something it's a logarithmic scale so it is so high. And the different time period is depending on whether it's a weekend or a weekday but we could simplify that. I mean that's why we're here. This just, it just doesn't mean, I'm sorry. And I don't mean to be like, be a jerk to people, but this doesn't make any sense to me. Like, I have no idea what 70 decibels sounds like. So if you're sending a postcard to my house, you have to be able to say, hey, Monday through Thursday, 8 a.m. to 8 a.m., your background music in your pool can sound like a lawnmower. But at 8 p.m. to 8 a.m., it has to sound like an electric car. You see what I mean? There's actually charts that give you exactly that. OSHA publishes charts that give you exactly that. Oh, that tells you, you know, whatever, 60 decibels is whispering, seven decibels is normal conversation, whatever, 80 is up, city streets. So, you know, we have, there's charts that we can include for that easily. And are we, when we're doing this, are we taking into account, people are like hanging out in their backyards, people are in their pool, people are having music coming up, the speakers in their backyard. So I think maybe a suggestion, you know, as we, I think we maybe should give staff direction to kind of bring an ordinance forward. And as part of that discussion, so we'll have two readings if you can kind of maybe share with us the chart that translates into the level of activity that would trip this kind of a threshold. I think that would probably help address your concern. So. What is it now? Like what's the tripping points now? We don't. It's just plainly audible noise from the hundred feet of the property boundary. The recommendation is also to change where we're measuring from. So you're actually measuring from the property line of the complainant because sound, you know, could be muffled or whatever by the in the front of the house and the people having a party in the bag so we've had complaints where yeah in the front of the house and the police officer gets there doesn't really sound very loud but the house is on the back or out of the agnol format it may sound very loud there. So the idea is you can make as much noise as you want, but once it's above those decibel readings at your neighbor's property line, not yours, then that would trigger a violation. And other questions, thank you, Cory. Should we also add some notes to staff to come back with costs for implementation with that too? Obviously, it wouldn't be part of the ordinance, but just something to consider and ease of enforcement. So sound meters are not like prohibitively expensive. We had them in other cities that I worked in. We have two or three sound meters. And I don't see it as a really expensive item to purchase. And we're all even in need of public. So yeah, yes, give me your leave and you're recognized. Sorry. In terms of disseminating this information to public and educating the public about a whisper and so forth, if we recommend an app, there's free apps that have decimal meters. I know they can't be used legally, but again, it's just to give people an idea. Okay. So I think, so what I'm hearing is we wanna move forward with this generally, right? If you guys can work on formulating this into an ordinance, and then I think it would be helpful to illustrate what kind of activity would trip the elaborated thresholds for the time suggested. And if we could also understand what the city's strategy would be in terms of procurement of resources, what the right number of resources would be to enforce this and the cost associated with that. I think it's something we all want to consider. That's what I'm hearing from all of us. Is that correct? Okay. Mr. Managers, that's clear. I think having something more defined, just the cost savings of staff time alone. I think that's fantastic. I'm going to say I mean, we currently enforce a sound ordinance. It's just, it's like telling somebody you're speeding, but they don't know what the speed limit is. It's just too fast. And I think, I know I've been a party to a lot of conversations. I'd prefer not to be just in my time. So I can't imagine how much time you spend. And again, we go back to a matter that this group disposed of very early, which is the status fit matter, the amount of time and calls associated with that matter. So I think there's I'm not I'm not again, I'm not saying that the costs alone of this are justified because we certainly have other expenditures in terms of staff time and resources call responses. Hopefully we would diminish, right? That would allow us to kind of direct resources elsewhere. So, but I think we just want the information for discussion purposes. Okay. One last question, Mayor. Yes, sir. The hours that you got this, is that a template or you got that from maybe another municipality or? Yes, from my experience and to experience into other municipalities but again you know we can make it whatever strike for the city thank you thank you for your work on this appreciate it okay do we need for a election or are we filing just the direction to bring it back okay we'll rely on the direction okay okay if we Okay. Okay. Okay. If we can take up and read item six, please. With regard. Item six or is there any commission to the assignment for the authorizing the city manager to issue a request for RFP for the development of hometown district like the. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. State, if you want to quickly review the changes from the last time we review this and summarize the memo for us on any title and conferences. Thank you for doing that work. I just want to get all that clarified and then we can have a discussion about how we want to proceed. There was a red line version that was supplied to you all. It's near the back of your, of whatever packets you have or the set of electronic documents. So the first clarification was made that it was not too, it was not limited to a hotel, the first version required a hotel, this expands that, makes a hotel one of the potential uses. So that was the first change, next change, there was some cleanup items further along the financial strength and capacity section That was made consistent with the city hall RFP to not require so much financial information at the outset but Make make very plain that it would be required prior to contract negotiation So that was added that was in section 1.77 The evaluation criteria was clarified that the price proposal included a timing component that had been discussed and the importance of having the of waiting the price proposal based not only on number but also on when those funds would become available. There was some cleanup regarding the city's rights and to waive irregularities and to reject proposals if none fit the bill. So we added that language in there and then the next section was had to do with the project itself. Okay, again, there's the hotel component which is a possible component as opposed to a required component. There was a clarification made regarding the site itself that was based on the title work that you all had asked us to do. The, there is a roadway, believe it or not, on the south of the parking lot. It was actually dedicated to the city or roadway purposes or for highway purposes even. So dedicated by deed? I'm sorry, not by plot. And dedicated by deed. Okay, that's right. Yeah, so that's why you have the current configuration of that parking lot. You know how the road expands at a certain point once you're as you're moving from east to west. That expansion. Yeah, there's the little alleyway gets bigger as you go deeper into it. You know, the parking lot has like a little jog. That's because of how it was deeded. Right? So we made, we tried to make clear here that the road is, or the alleyway is sacrosanct that it has to remain for right-of-way purposes. So that was one clarification. And then we added the, you know, what is the potential development parameters based on the zoning study. And so where we ended up was eight stories with bonuses to allow up to 14 stories with a density of 100 dwelling units per acre with no floor area limitation. So that is part of that. In terms of the development, vision, and goals in section 2.2, we just clarified that the vehicular access way that that dead end street has to remain open. We also clarified again regarding the upfront revenue payments to try to encourage earlier timing. There were some additional cleanup items regarding the zoning changes, but it was just consistent with what I just described. And then it's more additional cleanup. We added a cost recovery element to this just to make clear what needed to be provided. We don't have an upfront, do we have an upfront cost recovery? It's blank. It's blank, we don't have that blank. So we don't have a number for that. We're leaving that up to you all. Okay, thank you for the summary. Colleagues, any comments on the draft that you want to kind of bring forward? Yes, ma'am, you recognize? I had made mention that since the roadway has to remain, would it be a possibility or would it be feasible to leave that and build above it so that they whoever it is that ends up with this has the benefit of that space just above and beyond whatever is needed, you know, for the truck to get in there or whatever. The city attorney pointed out that it may or may not be possible based on, or maybe it was the city manager, one of the two. Like, okay, so where do you have to have columns or, you know, can you do a cantilever and so all of those things were discussed But I just wanted y'all to have the benefit of Hearing is that even a possibility so that it doesn't just stay Dead all the way through Thank you for that For other questions or comments on the draft Yeah, well, I just, man, I'm sorry. Of course you can commission leave me your recognize. Sorry, I didn't see you. Yes, no worries. It's my item. You've all heard it. But it's on the agenda against been a while. Just one introduction. Introduced it quickly. By the way, all the information we were waiting for was an absolute net positive. For potential project. And the street doesn't impact. The street was never gonna be included in the parcel that I was suggesting selling. Now again, the benefit hotel whenever the project is, people don't eat there. That means they would frequent our restaurants. We need a driver, especially a stop, get them to be now and in sunset place. Also, when people are in hotels, they'll tend to frequent the other retailers as well. Of course, for condos, it'll be the case of the hotel, but otherwise they're less transient. Again, not the case of the hotel, but condos generate more revenue than a apartment building or straight hotel, because the number of folios, when it keeps saying we're parked, I know we're doing a parking study and the parking garage is right across the street. I know that lot generates revenue. I know that property will be worth more post sunset place, but we have to switch hats from private sector to public sector, public sector, yet the lead investors follow government and investment Also, there's a boy for O'Tale We have I'll say it definitively maybe there's one but my opinion we don't have vote out in the in the city and It's in a perfect location and the bottom line the whole motivation the whole catalyst behind this is in the appropriate location and the bottom line, the whole motivation, the whole catalyst behind this is to generate revenue to support the beginning of the presentation you just heard tonight, which is placemaking. And that's really what we owe to all the investors in our city and all the businesses, both retail and commercial, that help us to keep taxes low and city services rich and for approximately two thirds of our tax or tax base. So we need to reinvest in that area. I know we've agreed to do this study, but we don't have the funds for the hardware. So again, that's the ultimate motivation is that all the revenue from this project stays in the area to go into hardware for place making. And otherwise, just by me, another revenue source, that's not a bond, because that's not a guarantee. But I don't think the votes are there. So... Let's talk about it, because I don't want to... Let's not prejudge it. So any comments on the draft? I have a bunch on particularly just around pages. Yeah, I know, surprise, surprise. any comments on the draft? I have a bunch on particularly just around pages. Yeah, I know, surprise, surprise. Pages 1 and 2 of section 2, right? So I just wanted to, again, so if we're going to do this, I want to be able to evaluate what comes back and compare apples to apples. And if we want to have an orange variety there, that we want to look at as an add-on, I'm fine with that. But I think the bot everything below the graphic, starting with currently, that section of the narrative on page one of six of section two, it says we're contemplating by way of the zoning envelope. I think we need to say that that's the zoning envelope we should provide. An initial financial proposal around. And if they want introducing alternative, like we did with the RFP facility hall, we'll let them present an alternative development scenario that might request more density, so we can see what we may be leaving on the table. But I think it's gonna be hard to evaluate if we have multiple proposals that are all proposing a different program because they're assuming a different zoning envelope. I'm not sure how we're gonna compare the economics of one against the other to make sure we're getting the best deal. So that would be my recommendation. Let's follow the model that we did with the city hall RFP and let's allow for a base proposal. They want to go beyond that. Certainly we're open to at least considering that alternative commission. Leave me does that make sense to you? Yes, absolutely. Again, I'm just looking at a great economic driver and looking at a generic revenue to put in the place making. So absolutely. I think in terms of the moving on to page two of the same section paragraph A, right? I'm fine with the changes. I do have one concern and that is there's a mandate here to provide a public parking component on the first floor. Again, I don't know the feasibility of that. On a lot of the size, when we're gonna want them to provide probably some off street loading, right? They're probably need to activate the ground floor to require that any porch to the public parking element be on the first parking. They're probably need to activate the ground floor to require that any porch to the public parking element be on the first floor. I think it's going to constrain people's ability to design something that's decent. So I would just rather say there has to be a public parking component. And they should prioritize the placement of parking on the lower floors of the public part of the garage right that's to be able to the site. Makes sense to everyone okay so there are part being there there would be a public parking component but it would be prioritized yes I mean I don't want to man this on the first floor but it should be certainly if they can incorporate some first floor parking we would certainly welcome it but I'm assuming that to get to at least 30 replacement spaces it's going to require that utilize more than just the ground floor to accommodate all the other things that have to happen on the site. My assumption could be wrong. In terms of paragraph B I to me the last sentence reads like a fire sale I don't want the market to interpret this as a fire sale. I want to maximize the value. Yeah, the last sentence that's been added here. I want to maximize the value. I think that what, to me, would get the best, the most weight is what provides the greatest and that present value in terms of a financial return to the city. So again, that's going to mean commissioning, leap into year to year point. We want more money up front, but I don't want to get a slug of money up front and sacrifice the back end of what could be a very lucrative project. So I'd rather, I'd rather model it on a net present value basis and reward, you know, have our staff analyze it and give priority to that. Madam Vice Mayor, you have a comment about that? Yeah, can you give me an example? So, you know, we may get a slug of money over time, but, you know, in a prior iteration of a term sheet, I circulated, I want to make sure those are back end kicker. Right, that's not money in front, that's money that, you know, gets, you're going to do a condo hotel and sell units. I want to make sure that if the market runs up, and this is a very attractive product, that we don't just get the money day one, we get money over the lifecycle of the sales, right? And so I think the way to analyze that is to say, we're going to analyze it on an enterprise and a value basis. So what's that mean in terms of dollars, if we got that full stream of revenue day one, and we apply whatever the discount is that Mr. Riverall thinks is appropriate to that stream of payments. Okay. What's not clear to me from this is this proposal is what we want to send by way of a message to potential respondents about how we want to deal with parking during construction for the surrounding businesses. Right. parking during construction for the surrounding businesses, right? Akashi Rice, the Petriya that's there, some of the users rely very heavily on this parking. I do not want to sacrifice their tendencies for our ambition to develop a site. So I think we need to require the respondents to address how they're going to park these 30 spaces. Again, I'm not, I'm less concerned about the revenue. I hate to say that out loud. I'm more concerned about making sure these businesses survive the transition to the day that Commissioner Lieben is envisioning where there'll be more people to frequent the very businesses that are there. No, I mean, the revenue is important. I'm not going to lie. I mean, in my proposal, if they were going to carry the parking revenue as part of their financials, so that we didn't have a budgetary whole, I wanted to contract. If they're going to park in our garage, I just didn't want a monthly payment. I wanted a contribution towards the cat-backs of the garage. I mean, I think I asked for like $7,000 in the term ship put together. We can talk about whether we require some of those elements or not, but at least what I wanna see here is at least some emphasis on how are we gonna get these surrounding businesses that rely on these parking through the displacement associated with construction. And I think we should ask of the respondents to put their best creative hats on at least, try to help us come up with a solution, right? And that's what I have by way of initial comments. I may remember something else as we discuss this further, but anyone else want to add anything to the mix. I'm good. I think I would have thought of that. Thank you. Commissioner Cory, can you say anything you wanted out? I think we're kind of aware of the risks associated with this. Obviously we might be running into some parking issues in that area. It's not really a lot that might be able to sustain its own parking. We're developing this in the back of house of what's already been said tonight as the most important development in the history of our city that could conflict with it. So I do think that if this is something we're going to proceed with that we should proceed with caution. I in my perception of this, don't really see a possibility that's being developed outside of maybe a hotel where we could maintain our parking and really nothing else. Now, I know the market can be creative and they can bring something creative back to us. And I guess I'll just trust the judgment of this board that we would do what was best for the city at that point. But there are some risks associated with this. I just wanted to lay out there so that we're all aware of it. If we do decide to move forward, and of course, I thought those were great points made by the mayor. And I'd love to see them added if that's what we're going to be doing now. I think just my reservation about this process at this moment is exactly the concern about how we make and strain or hurt the development of the sense of place before we know what they're going to bring forward. You know, my strong suspicion, just given where the market is, is that if we had a hotel requirement, we probably wouldn't get, we might get responses, but they probably wouldn't be all that economically attractive, given where the financing markets are generally with respect to hotels. Hotel uses, my strong suspicion is we'll probably see responses that will have a very strong condo focus, which is what the original proposal we got was about, because right now financing is challenging. A lot of folks are moving to condo product, because they can finance the construction costs in part with buyer deposits. So, again, I think I'm happy to walk down this path with a board if we want to put it out there and see what comes back. But I still have, I want to reserve the right to not have to award it based on what we see certainly. But I'm happy to move forward and explore the opportunities. So I'll just state that I think what we've been kind of going back and forth with is the ability to do something now, kind of put it together to see if we can get something economically that's going to work. My problem is that we always want to, not my problem. I think that what we want to do as a commission in a long-term place, understand the different caveats, the different understanding, the different economic abilities or possibilities that we can do with this particular property. We don't know what sunset place is going to look like. We don't know what the requirements are going to be on sunset drive, which are the two most important things that we're trying to go do. I mean, I definitely agree with Commissioner Lehman that we have to do something and we need to continue to progress. I just don't think this is the right timing for it. I mean, everything that we've been doing as a commission is more of a legacy plan, a really well thought out plan as a legacy plan. We want this to be surviving in the next 20 to 50 years. And we don't really know if this particular product is going to work. There's a lot of different caveats on there. So I'm very hesitant to move forward with this particular proposal at this moment just because of all the different scenarios that could happen here. So currently it's a small lot. You know, it would have to be tall to be economically feasible. There's a lot of different possibilities of play that we can do with this again. We can trade it. We can, you know, we need a park in the area. How do we do that? Do we use this asset, particularly as a play? And these are the things that I've said before. So, you know, I'm not inclined to move forward with this particular proposal right now, until we get a little bit further along with the current plans that we have. I applaud Commissioner Lemons to try to understand how we're gonna pay for some of these things. I think we're gonna be doing everything in our power to make sure we have that budget in place. I just don't know if we need it right right now. Those are my comments. Further thoughts? Yes, give us your leaving. Go ahead. Just more context. By the way, everyone's comments I felt were great and valuable. Let's say that there is a parking garage, a correct right directly in front, sunset place, it's private. As we know, that's the only thing that will stay and then our parking garage is across the street. And, you know, to forget the other thing, but there is still parking there in the end term. No, I know. I mean, one of the concerns I've heard expressed about this solicitation is from the owner and for that very reason. They don't want their parking reservoir to become the parking reservoir for these joining uses. Right. Because they're obviously needed to activate their site. So that is a concern. I mean, I just wanted to throw this other, I'll recognize you in a second, Commissioner Lee, but I see your hand. You know, the other alternative, and I'll beat a dead horse for one second, which is, you know, we're looking at, we looked at a very modest 6% growth in our Ivalorum base this year. It's about $750,000 of revenue. Does this board we want to say, we're going to take a quarter million off the table and pledge the revenue from the parking at the site. Escalateral for a limited borrowing that could net us you know three to half to five million dollars depending on what Mr. Roeville tells me to actually do improvements to sunset place. I mean that is a center drive excuse me. That is a that is an approach that I think meets the mark for commissioner leaving in terms of finding revenue to do improvements And is not necessarily and convert the asset with another use for the long term right? It's kind of a medium term or interim term. I think alternative that to me would be the most comfortable option But I know it requires 500 of 5 votes today to get that done. So I mean, I throw it out there because I think it's a way to kind of also meet the goal of saying we got cash in hand to do something, but it's going to require us to have the budget discipline to say we're going to set aside that 250 for this purpose. Mr. Rural, I mean, are my numbers roughly in the range of reasonable, some $3.5 million possibly on the $250 less? Again, correct me. I don't know, no shame if you want to throw what you think. Okay, $2.5 million. $2.5 million. So just for the record, okay. So how do we want to proceed? Yes, can we surely even recognize? Yeah, just one more context. The other two properties, the joining properties are in play. So that could be a contribute factor or just something for us to consider. And then yes, the provide, I don't speak for anyone, but the proprietor's sense of place is in favor of a hotel on that site. But, um, but okay, yeah, we can, we can vote in and it's 1.5 million is it going to spread over the nothing? And I support that. Um, but, you know, it's not going to get us very far in terms of the, the money we're going to need for place making. But it's something. Well, I mean, look, the last proposal we had was, initially the hard number was $5 billion. So, I mean, we're, again, how do we want to proceed? I'm fine supporting a solicitation with the modifications. Again, I'm going to reserve the right not to award the development because I want to understand what the conflicts are and I want to understand what the provost will look like but I'm happy to have the conversation and see what comes back in the market whether there's your interest yes sir. Sorry. I think we had Commissioner Lieben with another comment and I'll recognize you sir. Thank you. I'm just going to ask you mayor to make that motion so we could adopt those amendments and then we could just vote it and whatever. I think it's your item. If you want to move it with my modifications, I think that would be the best way to proceed. Oh, well, post Commissioner Chi's comments. I'd like to move the item with the mayors proposed amendments. Okay, Commissioner Chi, comments? Do we think it's fair for any of the proposals to start working on this and invest time and do this? I mean obviously it's on their own time and they understand they're gonna read and understand what we're doing and what our thought processes by this conversation. Do we just think it's a waste of time a little bit right now? I mean I don't want to I don't want to play this game where we know I I I propose out I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, I had some kind of, you know, there was one response that I had some questions about. I mean, I'm very sensitive to people spending time and money on these processes. It's not without significant financial consequence. But that said, you know, saying no today precludes someone from bringing something forward that may knock my socks off. Maybe there's something that's really spectacular. And I could find a way to support. But again, it's for me to high bar to kind of do something on the site today. So as long as people understand that whoever may be watching or may watch this in the future, certainly I'm going to expect something to be pretty significant for me to want to cast my vote in support of it. Yeah, so we have any further comments? If not, I'll entertain a motion for against whatever we want to do. There's your leave. I think he did it. You want to reaffirm the motion to approve with the modifications as to Justin? Is that correct? Yes. Okay, so motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Okay, so motion we have a motion is there a second? Okay, so a motion by Commissioner Leibman a second by the vice mayor any last discussion They're gonna be the order if not madam clerk. Please call the roll Yes, ma'am Do we need to fill in that We do we do need a cost recovery number. Thank you for highlighting that madam clerk any thoughts From any board members on a cost recovery amount I'm going to go to the next one. Thank you for highlighting that metham clerk. Any thoughts from any board members on a cost recovery amount. Should we ask for $15,000. I'm going based on what we've expended this far in your summary on just city hall. Is that I mean. I know that's a fair gauge from my perspective. Yeah, I think that's a fair gauge from my perspective. Yeah, I think that's what you think. I mean, I'm hoping we'll have more than one proposal. So if it's two, we'll have $30,000 to cover our time, at least in hand, when they submit as opposed to. Correct. Okay. So I would propose that we make that a yes ma'am. Yeah, and. That's good. Yes, with no proposal bonds right same same the city hall No proposal bond. I'm not sure what that means. You want to transfer proposal bond With city hall we had discussed it that it basically it sets The proposal on is committing that they're going to honor The bid you had waved it with city hall. Do you want to wave it here as well? I honor the guarantee of the bid. A guarantee of the bid. Yeah. I don't understand. That they're not going to withdraw their bid in the middle of the process. But we're not going to go through the process. And then stay with nothing. Right. What did they put in a mount? Yeah, they put a put a put a the what did they put it in a mount that they don't yes, a deposit amount basically non-refundable yes was that the positive for city hall it was deleted in city hall we eliminated it so sorry so we would be bonding what their economic proposal or the amount for cost recovery the economic proposal it's a separate so if they someone said we were going to pay you $3 million and we said yes, they'd have to bond for the $3 million? No, this was an amount. I think with City Hall, we had provided for, I think, like $50,000 or something like that. Basically a penalty if they pull out at the, you know. As long as, as long as, you know, they're covering your costs, our costs for third party reviews, I'm, I'm, my preference is not to do that, but I mean, I don't know what the board preferences. Okay. I think that's how we ended up there with City Hall. So does that warrant a larger amount or a small amount? What's the suggestion from staff? Because I'm assuming the cost recovery contribution is not refundable, correct? or a smaller amount, what's the suggestion from staff? Because I'm assuming the cost recovery contribution is non-refundable, correct? Correct. Correct. So this cost recovery element that we were discussing is for the period of time up to now when bids are submitted up to the point of selection. Correct. At selection, there's a second cost submitted up to the point of selection. Correct. At selection there's a second cost recovery amount for the process of negotiation and nailing down. So what we're really talking about is that first period. Yes. Yeah. So I think we had discussed $15 or $20,000 I think is okay. Well then we just do tens, it's a smaller project. That's, that's, it's pleasure to board. You okay with that? We've got a lot of potential. That's it's pleasure. The board. Okay with that. It's fine. Anybody have an objection to $10,000? Okay, so we'll require $10,000 as the cost recovery. You know, okay. Okay, with those modifications, again, Commissioner Lieben, you're the maker of the motion. Do you accept that modification? Yes. Okay. Madam vice mayor, I'm assuming you're the maker of the motion. Do you accept that modification? Yes. Madam Vice Mayor, I'm assuming you're fine with that? Yes. Okay, so Madam Clerk, if you want to call the role please. Yes, Commissioner Leeben. Yes. Commissioner Coyote. No. Commissioner Cory? Yes. By example, Niche? Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. I'm a pastor's for one. Okay, so if you can read number seven, please. Yes, item seven. A resolution in the city commission of the city of South Maine for the approval of an amendment to the city's American Rescue Plan at R4 funding plan to authorize the city manager to one modified funding amounts for privacy approval, offer projects, services, and other eligible expenses and to modify the list of offer projects, services, and other eligible expenses to be funded, which such authorization to be exercised only in time becomes a factor for use of proper funds. Mr. Manjus, your item. Thank you, Mr. Andrews. Mr. Andrews, your item. Thank you, Mayor. This item, basically, in essence, there are no transfers of any funds for any projects. It's basically providing further flexibility for myself to be able to deal with the requirements imposed by the federal government on our fund. First one being that we have to encumber funds by December of this year and the second being that we have to extend all our funds by December of 26. So what this would do is allow flexibility as we monitor the progress of projects that have been previously awarded money by resolution and their critical path potentially. And these are more primarily the projects that have permit process to them. And we meet on a regular basis and we're monitoring their progress. There can come a time where we may feel that we're not gonna be able to encumber the funds given the status of the project. And we would just replace it with another project that has been approved and switch funds from that standpoint. So in essence, if a project is awarded, we'll just say a million dollars of our per money, and we feel we're not going to make it the incumbrance and or the expenditure, we could replace it with another project. And so from clarification purposes, once we do that, we're not making a million dollars available, and that's just gonna be replaced by another project that we have in our capital project list. So, in essence, it's just giving me that flexibility to be able to manage that. So we're a little bit more nimble and flexible as it relates to meeting these timelines that we're gonna be facing. Just clarification on, we shared some ideas that we've been tracking potentially on, you know, possible projects that could be brought into and replace a project in ARPA and you see a list as, you know, garbage truck. Well, that's something that we're discussing on our capital projects now for the fiscal year we're working on next fiscal year. There's some Army Park Park restroom and concession. That does not mean that the project needs an additional 1.1. It just means that that 1.1 right now is funded through CIP General Fund. And so anyhow, again, this is not changing any of the projects. We're not making any changes to the allocations. This is just changing the ability for the administration to make these changes to meet the federal requirements on a timely basis and certainly to answer any questions you may have. Thank you colleagues, any questions of the manager? Okay. Can we shall leave me? You're good? Is there a motion on the item? Are you okay? Wow, not good. I'll move the motion. Is there a second? Second. If the motion by Commissioner Kaye, a second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. It's Commissioner Coy. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Lee-Man. Yes. By example, Niche. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item passes 5-0. Before we meetings adjourned. Have a good evening. 4242.