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I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the I call meeting in order. This is the special Roads Advisory Committee meeting for June 26th, special because we're starting early, right? So, let us do a roll call. John Steele, Jim Cox, Richard Daniel, John Durkin, Matthew Ettinginger, Michael Garcia, Curtis Kelly, and Peterson, no, and myself. Yes. We have any public comments? No public comments at the moment. Okay. So, we view with a minute, we have two months worth of minutes to look at. So, the minutes from April 24th. Please take a minute to review those. Any comments? I have a motion to accept. Second. Second. So we've vote on those. John Steele. Curtis. Michael. Okay. And I said yes. And then the meeting minutes for May 22nd. Any comments? We did. I was absent. May 22nd. What, no, it was a 24th. Yeah, that one should be Tony. Okay. All right. So I had to make those corrections so switch that. I can be in two places at once then. I don't know as I tell them that. Okay, with that correction. Okay, with that correction, any other comments? We should do accept. As corrected. Second. I'll second. Okay. Minutes approved as corrected. I'll second. Okay. Minutes approved as corrected. Okay. All right. Rural updates. Just cleared. 2223 zone 4. Yes. Thank you, Chair. So this project went out to bid. And the bids came back quite high. A little bit over $1.7 million for this project. So substantially over-engineers estimate for the cost of the project. It seems to be not only our project is this way, but talking with a few other jurisdictions. They have also seen the bids come back high. In New York, they had a project that came in a million dollars over engineers estimates. How many bidders? Five. Five bidders. And we're all high. Yeah. So we range from 1.7 to a little over $2 million for it. So quite high. So ultimately, we took it to council with the recommendation to reject all bids, revise the scope of the project, and re-bid the project. So that will, council, took that recommendation and we rejected all those bids. The design subcommittee has met once or twice. So you guys, to talk to a few times. That project has been slimmed down. Community member Kelly can probably talk a little bit if he met with Gerald, our city engineer and Glenn. And we went through the project through the bids and ended up slimming down each of the areas of work. And we revised the plans and they're back out to bid So we'll see how it goes this time So we've got about a month or so delay Yeah And if I'm correctly the council's now made a hard Top of a million dollars per contract, right? Not so much hard from from them. It's that's kind of what we're trying to made a hard top of a million dollars per contract, right? Not so much hard from them. It's kind of where we're trying to stick to around a million dollars. I kind of went back after those bids came in and I kind of looked back through our last several years of project. So we did a project in the color of the 1718 project, which was kind of before we had the assessment district with sort of a one-off project that that street improvements hadn't been done in quite some time and so staff put together a project and we went out and did a project which was in zone four which is the area we bid this current project in. That project came in, the low-batter was EC construction, and they were 909,000, and that one, that project did all of Reposato, Awacate, half of Churchill, what else did we do? Anne Papaya is part of that project. And then we had our first project with the assessment district of the 1718, which we constructed in the beginning of 2020. That one was $750,000, was the little bit around that one. And then the project that we did after that is the 1920 project. That was RJ Noble, and that one was $727,000. And the project we did after that was like the 2021 project and that was our first million dollar project. So it was a million and $66,000 was that project. I was zone one over on the west side of town. That was during the rainy season. Probably predominantly way was so high. And then we did the next one, the 21-22 and that was, you know, $1,150,000. So the last two have been just around a million, 1.1 for it. We typically budget about a million dollars and like 900 for everything. You know, design, construction, CM and inspection for it. But we've kind of, over the last couple of years, we've gotten used to seeing the projects come in construction-wise, right around a million dollars. So we always kind of keep that contingency in the back of our head and in the budget as we're doing the budget process. But to see it come in at 1.7 was was I was shocked at the price. So yeah, just for one project. Yeah. I know. You were saying zone three and five as well as Hausty and then we're still trying to keep it under a million, right? So we kind of, we could be mad on the subcommittee. So we're kind of playing with one which we think will come in significantly less. So we're doing the scheme where you shift streets to other ones for savings and stuff and I think it seemed to work pretty well. I thought our strategy was for the ones after this, for next year we were going to combine them, right? We are, yeah so as we we talk about the next project It's it's kind of that that we're we're looking at design wise Subcommittee kind of went back and re looked at the streets that were recommended to the PMP We kind of started talking about and started looking at those based off of the bid quantities and the amounts from the current bids to try to figure out What we would need to be able to do to kind of keep a project around $1 million and that one would be about $2 million because it would be two projects worth of work. So that one would have been two to figure if they're coming in or expecting $1 million is coming at $1.7 and we're expecting $2 million and we're looking at like closer to $ million, but she's just a lot to absorb in the budget. So we'll have to look a little closer at those. The streets for the, it would be zoned 5 and 3 or the next ones we're in design for. But we're looking at 2 million. That's the meeting 2 million. 2 million yeah for those projects. So the expect and bid to do We will have our bid opening in middle of July. And so from there we will be able to open and then more than likely depending on what it is and we get back to council we should be able to bring that bit to the committee so you guys can review it as we make the recommendation to council for their August meeting. But then construction's gonna be in a rainy season again. Yep. But this one has to coordinate. This one is kind of a weird one where we have to coordinate Hossie and the work with the signal work and we're in that process right now of working with the signal contractor that we've brought on. We've done the pre-construction meeting. We're in the submittal process and getting things ordered and trying to figure out lead times for polls, traffic cabinets, equipments and figuring out what that is. So realistically construction time is looking like closer to the end of the year for physical construction for the signal. I mean, this contractor would have to coordinate with them on some of that paving and striping and there's a little bit of drainage work on that project as well. So they would have to coordinate with that contractor. So the paving of Hossie and the road then is probably going to take place after the signal construction. It will be done right as they're finishing up signal construction before they go into do this right. We should have bids for that, right? For the signals? No, for the paving across the other. Yes. That is in the one we just rejected is, is includes paving on Hossie enda? Oh, it did. Yeah. Oh, okay. So we're not in workpaces. We're going to do sections of crack seal and overlay and we're not going to overlay everything. Not going to overlay everything. Not going to overlay everything, basically. We're going to do from Connott Assombray to Skyline for grinded overlay and from our southern border to Alvacara Crest grinded overlay and the intersection of west and Hossie and Tessinside intersections in pretty poor shape will be grounded overlaid in that area as well. Yeah, I think I've already been on record saying I disagree with that strategy. I think we should overlaid a whole housing and railroad because we're going to come back to get in a couple years and having to do it anyway. Any other comments on this, Frederick? on the project. Okay. 2324 zone five. Yes, as we move from that one, we'll move into the next one and looking at the Recommendations for design for where we're going to be looking at design for the, maybe the 23, 24, 24, 25 project as far as construction related. So you'll have some attachments for the committee to review. I got, unfortunately, I have mine all scrambled for a moment. Let me put myself back in order. Back in order. There we go. back in order. Back in order. Back in order. There we go. So you'll see the ones that have the multi-color lines on it. This is based off the like the PMP when we were looking at the PMP last time. That's what the PMP recommends to it. In the other attachments that you have is what we have been looking at staff wise and the subcommittee has been looking at when they met to discuss the other project, they also look briefly and had some conversations related to the areas we should be looking at for design for that two projects for the 23, 24, 24, 25 projects as well. So there's some recommendations related to the grind and overlay in those particular sections for it. This is based off a little more of the quantities that we have seen and the price and the costs come through from the last bid. We're looking at today's values of what the cost for a project is and the reality of what we potentially could get accomplished in this particular project. So there's some recommendations based on Gerald's looking at it and myself and Grace and also the subcommittees, some of their conversations related to the segments that we should focus on for those next projects and where we should be focusing our attention on design for that combined to your projects. All right, so Gerald. Yes, so, Rafferty. Thanks, Gerald. I wasn't sure if you could hear us, but I know you've looked at the street selections for the next projects and had a couple of some recommendations based off of your observations and what you had discussions with subcommittee if you wanted to share any of those thoughts. Yes, we tried to get the streets that we thought had the lowest PCI payment condition index. So we tried to also get the streets that seemed to have more traffic and a little bit probably couldn't handle another five years until we revisit that zone. And so even though there was a couple of streets a little bit further to the east and east of harbor, there's like, um, this I believe. I'm had a lower PCI and you know just a little local area so I think that one we just and bother doing that area because of the low traffic volumes. So we try to choose to meet the streets that have the lowest PCI's and a little bit more traffic on them. So hopefully, the other streets will not get into some type of full reconstruction payment, payment section replacement because of the lower volumes. But obviously we couldn't get everything that we thought we needed to do because of the rate of inflation and actually it's going much harder than expected as the rapidity probably mentioned. So these are the streets that we recommend based on build conditions and PCI as well as just what we think is probably need in the city based on the traffic and traffic patterns. And this has been the $2 million range. Looking at it. Yeah, each of the ones about a million dollars. About there. Yeah, it's just a little bit under right now. And I even escalated it based on our latest average unit prices for the last. And so it took the average of all the beds of each item and I escalated it another 10% and this is to this is average. So it could either be higher, it could be lower. It's usually a range of 10% below or 10 or 15% above that average. And so what we can do is we can, what we've been doing is maybe some selected streets we may put alternate bid items on all streets and so we can make sure we get the dollar amount that the city wants. So we don't go too far under, we don't go too far over, we could decide which are the priority streets, they're going to be the base bit and we can make the other streets alternative items. And then we'll become like a cafeteria type of of awarding and we'll let the City Council decide Based on how much they they feel they get afford C.O.L. is that green right legend We haven't done capesal before, have we? We've never done Cape Seal. Well, I take that back. We have done one Cape Seal project, but that was on Alvacado Crest between Hossianda and Citrus. And it was mostly because the county was going to Cape Seal, their half of Alvacado Crest, and they asked if we wanted to join into it. So we joined for that. So that was the only segment we've done Cape Seal on it. When talking with Gerald and even Akram or our previous city engineer, his recommendation is if we ride a Cape Seal level, it's really ready for grinded overlay and it's just better to move to grinded overlay instead of the Cape Seal. We're showing Cape Seal here on the map. Those ones are based off the PMP. So the ones that show Cape Seal and type 2 slurry on it, those are the PMP's recommendations for it. And the other ones that just show grinded overlay is the recommendations from like Gerald or city engineer. And then I was, you know, Gerald was talking, I was kind of looking back at the one that shows avocado crust and Cyprus. So that shows the project in Orange. That was our project from, that's the 1920 project. That one came in at $727,000. And you can see all those streets highlighted in Orange there. He's what was done for just over $700,000 back in that time. We did that one probably and 2021 we should have done like probably the late 21 is when we did that project. Looking just a couple of years how much it's escalated in cost and then based off of the recommendation of what we could do today versus what we've done been able to do a couple of years ago with costs and prices. We surprisingly had a good number of bids. We didn't have lack of bidders for that project but they just came in pretty excessive. We had one contractor that we know so they didn't bid on that project currently because they were too busy. They were already booked all the way through to October so he didn't have any room in his schedule so they didn't even bother bidding on the project. So we're not going to do Cape Seal. No, recommendation would be to do Cape Seal. This one right now, the recommendation from Gerald and also look at it is pretty much grinded overlay, doing grinded overlay. So what would be zone five, the recommendation is for a section of east road. So it would run over where the avocado farm is over there. It's the easiest way to explain it, just a little bit of east of IA, to kind of that location where the avocado farm is over there is the easiest way to explain it, just a little bit of east of I.A. To kind of that, that location where the edge of the old avocado grove on east road, just east of I.A. That section grinded overlay, Tumen and Dorothea. So Tumen up and then from where Tumen meets Dorothea east to Fullerton and also include the the eastern half of Canola and the little segment of Skyline Drive that's on the east side of Fullerton and some of Fullerton Road from our northern city limit down just past the trailhead area to that area, to the Vaticanian, for zone five and zone three. There's two, a couple of segments of avocado crust, kind of, from like Le Mans to right where Cyprus hits avocado crust, and then a little bit farther east, closer to where avocado crust intersects with Dorothya, the segment over there, Skycrest, which is right off of the beginning of Avocado Crest, and then doing peppertory and insinous, and tangelo and oleander over on the far east side of town would be the recommendation for work. for work. Any comments? We don't have to make any decisions tonight. I know if you guys might want to take these and walk around, drive the streets, you know, provide some input and those we definitely have a little bit of time to do that as well. Okay. Next one. The graphics signal. And traffic signal, we met with the contractor yesterday. We had a quick meeting with them as they're in the submittal process for all of the equipment right now. So getting all those things in and trying to nail down the lead times and trying to figure out exactly how long it's going to take. A couple of their projections were a little longer than we were anticipating to get equipment. And you went a little bit longer than our construction manager has seen with other traffic signal projects that he's currently working on. So we're trying to figure out what those lead times are. Some of them, they were saying, could be up to 22 weeks to be able to procure the equipment that's needed. It seems like polls, traffic cabinet is the other one that seems to be taking quite a bit of time to do it. So that would put us farther down until like November to December to complete procurement of all the necessary parts of pieces for it. So we're going to that submittal process and having the conversations with the contractor and the manufacturers of it to see if we can figure out what those timelines are and also providing them some other sources for materials as well to be able to get it. Hopefully, it's short enough some of those lead times. There are physical construction in the street, say it will be about four to six weeks if like physical construction on the intersection to be able to do all the underground condo aids, put in the curb ramps and the curbs, get the foundations for the poles in place and have it all the meter set for a medicine wired and set. All out there will take you know about four weeks or so and then that will happen just ahead of like the poles and they call the equipment arriving and then so they'll they'll get to work on the the actual physical construction on the site ahead of all the materials showing up that way as they're completing everything the polls should be here, the captain should be here, and they can just start setting stuff in place as it comes along. So that's kind of where we are. We're trying to nail down there the lead times for polls and equipment, and that will give us a better baseline schedule as to where we would be. We're looking at maybe six to eight weeks, something right there. It might be like early next year for fully term, for full turn on of it, just depending on when all the equipment can be procured. We were thinking maybe there were leaving some wiggle room in there like a lot of lead time in there just in case you was taking longer with the manufacturers but they really aren't including that much like extra lead time or wiggle room for themselves in their procurement. They're going to be as part of that transaction with the manufacturers for the polls and all the equipment traffic cabinets so it's not something that we wouldn't be able to see if it's padded time into a schedule. Any questions, comments? Okay. There's a big name here from the property owner. Yes. Yes. We were able to meet with the property owner there on the corner down the northeast corner there. They're very nice family. They worked with us very well. We were able to complete next queue and record all of the necessary easements for the location of the pole, the curb ramp, and the room for construction for it to go in. As part of that, we're gonna relocate a couple of some like palms there on the corner that will relocate those for them. Originally, the equipment was slated to go in front of their house. We relocated the equipment to another location to not have it directly in front of their house. As part of that, easement discussion. Great. Yeah. Just out of curiosity, with these, I don't know if I call them delays, but with the additional time needed for the procurement of it, is this cost in the city and the additional funds? No, it shouldn't. It's just time. It the procurement of it. Is this cost in the city and the additional funds? No, it shouldn't. It's just time. It's just time issue. It's just time, yeah. I recall the grant for this was like $800,000. Are we still within that? Total cost, including all of construction, construction management and CM and inspection, is a little bit over. We're closer to a little bit over where we're closer to a little bit over our total grant funds for it so we'll be a little bit into it out of how to general fund for the complete project for the intersection striping signage and everything for it will be a little bit over what we have funding wise. The between 800 and 900, but docking total cost? Yeah. Yeah. And there's no way to go back and get initial funding given the state of the economy, et cetera. Yeah, no. You're not going to. We originally had around like $500,000 for this project. So we kind of went back and we're able to capture it a little bit more to get us to 800,000 and then when we were completing the paperwork with them we got it to 900,000 so we were able to capture a little bit at the end as we were completing all of the approvals for the design and getting ready for bidding and construction. We're able to get it up a little bit more. But yeah. Okay. Any other comments, questions? The guard rails. Guard rails. So we've got a signal moving on its way. We've got one project that went out to bid and back out to bid. We're looking at some design for the other one, the other project that we really need to start focusing on is guard rails. So Gerald has actually gone out and looked at every segment of guardrail we have in the city and took some time to evaluate the condition, the location, the potential cost for replacement, what may need to be done as part of that replacement to kind of come up with a priorities list as to ones that he feels that Given what we have budget wise and what may need to be done These are the ones that we should take as the priority for that And so in this little spreadsheet you have here is kind of that list This is this is the distilled down list of guardrail segments And then you can kind of see on the very left hand side, there's like a priority ranking. So there's not necessarily an order, but it's one, two, four, five, three, seven, eight. Those are some of the segments that we feel are gonna be the most expensive or the most costly to install. A lot of these are gonna require a few things to happen. It's going to require you, there's some regrading of slopes or retaining walls to be able to properly install the guard rails to meet current cal transfer standards. So when it's going to require geotechnical work and retaining walls and other things that are going to be very expensive. So that's kind of why Gerald went through and tried to rank out the ones that he feels that given what we have budget wise, what the potential costs are, these are the ones that we should definitely focus on the replacement of to be able to get the most bang for our bug, the other ones that we have are not going gonna be as expensive and we'll be able to be a placed at a more reasonable cost. You look at number one, this is 685 East Road, so this is over close to the golf course there. There's that segment we've talked about it a few times here in roads where the guard rail has been hit several times and it's kind of laying in the ditch portion of it. So that is going to require some significant work to it with either having to regrade that slope in that area or out of retaining walls in that area. So it's going to get quite costly and expensive to be able to replace it and also looking at the placement of that guard rail today is right at the edge of the travel lane. So generally you want some buffer between where that guard rail is and the edge of the travel lane. So this would definitely need to be moved a little farther out away from the travel lane to make sure it doesn't get hit as it has in the past. But these are kind of those segments. I don't't Gerald if you wanted to talk a little bit about Your thoughts and ideas and how how you looked at and how you rank some of them Yes, all Yes, um, the committee I was I had looked at all the guard rails and I if you look at the table I I would have won column the I put a one column, the construction scope of work and the other column was the design scope of, based on just replacing the existing guard rails and not really having to do any self repair work or or retaining walls and what have you. So, and also it was, they were supposed to design all the, a huge amount of guard rail locations, but based on all the slope repair work that we need to do, we're not gonna be able to do that many. So that's why we needed to prioritize, which guard was we think absolutely or needed and difficult to replace. think absolutely are needed and difficult to replace. So we wanted to use the grant funds to replace those first. There's a couple of them in there that are because of their complete driven like the one on number eight I think is one on West Road. I don't really think a guardrail is needed there but it's complain driven and so that's why it's on the list. And so you can also see other guardrail locations like like Ralford mentioned. The are on the list that are not highlighted and you could see my comments and why did not highlight them are recommended to be replaced because of the the condition primarily it's it's not critical maybe the location itself is just not critical as far as somebody going over it's not going to be a fatal it's going to be yes they're going to get some damage in their vehicle. Yes, the homeowner may get some bushes or tree hit or something like that, but it's nothing where it's going to be a high loss of property or potentially life. And so that's why I did not recommend those locations. And so my recommendation to the committee is to take a look at these locations. And to we need to finalize the. This party list and make sure the committee is okay with it and then we can. I'm going to. Right up a new RFP document for design. We're going to have the list of locations based on the construct and scope of work and they they put something together so spreadsheet actually was created by them at first and I just added to to that spreadsheet so they have a lot of different quantities in there. And they came out of that dollar figure, but it's not. It's just a high level. If I were to say, because no actual design has been done, it's a very high level estimate. So the range, it could be, it's a big range because we don't know the exact scope of work without actually doing the design. So this is their estimate of what they think is going to be the cost, but that can change drastically, of course. So you know just kind of it was just something that they they did their best based on what the information they had. These are gets damaged. Yes, guestamants, but when. And so it's going to be really hard to know the exact dollar amount because some of these like for instance East East Road like we're actually mentioned we're going to have to real line that guard well because it's it's keeps getting hit so it has to be pushed away from the roadway from the travel lane and to do that the cheapest way would be just to have to regrade and we put some slope stability measures but if we need to put a wall and to do that, that's going to drop a cost up significantly. And we're not going to know that for sure until we get into the design until we have a geotechnic engineer look at it and we have the design engineer look at it and we could stick a decide what's really needed. And so, you know, it's a big range because of that. Without walls, it's much less, if it with balls, it's much higher. So, so it's hard to really tell exactly how much each location will cost. Some of them are pretty straightforward. Like I say, number eight, we ask, we think we can get that in without much much regrading at all so that one we could we could estimate pretty pretty easily but some of the other ones a little bit difficult right now to know so the the grant for this was also around 800.de. Great. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So we're gonna try to keep it in that range. Try to keep it within that range is to a week you get replaced within that range. So I were trying to look at the ones that are gonna be the most difficult to do require the the heaviest component of like engineering and design and retaining walls andgrading that's going to have the most cost to do it which would be become cost prohibitive in the future for us to go back and replace. Any questions, comments? We do have a standard detail for like retaining wall for residential properties that we have that allows for up to six feet in height. So people property owners who want to build a retaining wall can use that detail to do it and gives you a couple of options footing wise for it. But that detail probably wouldn't work in this situation just due to the potential forces that are out there with the collisions to the guard rails. We were looking at a guard rail, not a guard rail, an ADA improvement at the park and we were going to utilize our standard plan for retaining walls in that as a design cost saving feature. We do. We have for up to six feet in height for retaining walls that it allows people I want to build a rotating wall So I haven't go out and hired an engineer and pay for the engineering for it You could utilize that standard Say he'd save you several thousand dollars in engineering costs You can be able to utilize it and build it. Yeah, I think about it It's kind of designed for a worst-case scenario So you might be a little more concrete a little more steel Then you might get designed by an engineer specific for your site or soil condition, but you know you can walk in, use that and pull a permit and get started or get pretty fast. Well, I just keep in mind, committee, that the retaining walls that we're talking about here are adjacent to to roadway. So there's a load that's going to be put on this wall that we call a search arch. And so it's just it's you can't use a wall. That's designed to just support soil and you know Jason too I don't know somebody's trying to build a wall somewhere so they could have a patio area let's say and there's no forces really coming down on that on the other side of that wall and so you don't need as much strength of that wall to support that load right because it's just the weight of the soil but now you have a roadway we have trucks, right? Because it's just the weight of the soil. But now you have a roadway and we have trucks and heavy loads on it's pushing down on that soil on the other side of that wall. Well, that wall has to be all support that. And so this has to be engineered. And also the height of the wall, we don't know what's going to be needed at this time. Yeah, and the wall's be used along the like right away, the roads, especially guardrails, who would need to be engineered specific for that location. the Not necessarily. The retaining walls get quite expensive and then anything along like private property like in front of your houses If you wanted to do a retaining wall, there is a minimum setback from the edge of the pavement So you'd have to be at least five feet from the edge of the pavement And then you could do a max of a three foot tall wall in that area So it does require you to move back in and I know some areas we have pretty steep slopes that come down at the roadways In other areas we were not pretty steep slopes that come down at the roadways. In other areas, we were not, it wouldn't be too difficult to put a lower wall like that in, but in some areas, if you're cutting it back five feet, you're gonna end up with a pretty significant face. Not necessarily retaining walls, probably the thing we should look at more is actual landscaping. Along those areas. You look at some of the areas that have some pretty good landscaping along those slopes that run along the roadways. You don't see too much sloughing from those particular areas because that bit of landscaping kind of helps lock those things in there over by the golf course. Kind of like that section along the house there that Churchill to over around the corner to a deep canyon. Lesson's house, he's got all that vegetation on there holds up pretty well and doesn't you don't see much fluffing off of that. He did have one issue with irrigation several years ago but there was an irrigation line that popped and then ran all night. So it caused some sloughing, but usually works pretty well for it. Or where we can look at. We have required on a couple of times for proper donors to actually widen the road. We did it over on a section of Dorothyia as part of their development of a house. We can require them to widen the road. Same thing on La Riyada. We approved a house over there and we actually require them to widen the road because it's so narrow in that area. Yeah, I complimented you, Earl. This is pretty extensive, pretty detailed. So, it's our mission, and I guess, for the committee to recommend the priority list, according to this assessment then. Yeah, definitely. Take a look at those areas and the guardrails. I'm sure some of you know can take a look at that and say, oh exactly what this guard rail is and if you think it's good or bad or if there's ones that you think that aren't on the list that should be a priority that we should definitely consider as part of it so we can make sure to develop a robust priorities list so we know where we want to start and what we want to try to get accomplished. Yeah so that's going to be an agenda item for next meeting and just to get accomplished. Yes, so that's going to be an agenda item for the next meeting. And just to get a recommendation from the committee. Priorization of the grant. Yep. Any questions, comments? Get it. The only thing left on there is project schedules in PMP. Once we solidify the streets we want to do for design for the next two projects, we'll include that in the final PMP and then finalize that document. We're getting to the point where we need to redo the PMP anyway, so we may not actually ever like finally adopt this PMP because we need to go out and start a new one. Are we still going to use Buckner then? We always put it back out to, we always RFP it. So we go through the RFP process. The last time we did it, he was the only one who submitted. He does the majority of them in around this area. We sent it out. We kind of looked around to see what some other jurisdictions had. And we made sure to send out the RFP to those companies as well. Bucknam was the only one that submitted. We may be stuck for them then. Any other non-agent items? Thank you guys for moving it up a little bit early. I know we got music in the park starting tonight and we'll have the same thing next the community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. the city booth out there so you'll see us as soon as we're done here Christian and myself are heading up to the park as well so if you guys are joining tonight we will see you up there okay so next meeting is for July 24th at 430. Okay, that's it. Meeting adjourned. Thank you.