Good evening. I appreciate the big turnout we have tonight. I'm sure it's for some of the business we have on our agenda and I look forward to hearing from you all. This is a regular meeting of the Ensignated City Council for Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 6 p.m. and if the clerk would please call the roll. Councilmember lines is not in the room at the moment. I will note when she arrives. Councilmember Aillers. Here. Councilmember Hincey is not in the room at the moment but we will note when she arrives. Deputy Mayor Blackwell. Here. And Mayor Cranes. Here. Record will show that at the moment, Councilmember Aillers, Deputy Mayor Blackwell and Mayor Cranzer present. Thank you. And if anyone who is able would please rise and join me in the pledge of America. We will be on your line. Individuals will put the written units as a strong. have arrived. Okay. Hello, hello, hello. Thank you all. For being here, we're going to issue is a proclamation in honor of July being Parks and Recreation Month. And so I'm going to ask a group of people to come up here and join me for the reading of this proclamation. And I'm going to start with our Parks and Recreation and cultural arts staff, led by Dave Nopp, our director, Margaret Hammer, our recreation services manager, Colette Murphy, our arts administrator, Brittany Nemarow, our arts coordinator, Julie Gilliam, our administration senior management analyst, Nicole White, our special events and project supervisor Ed Drup Nikki is our parks and beach supervisor Bob Keely is our parks and beach supervisor Manager. And Carolina Chavez is our Recreation Program Assistant. Nate Fisher is a Management Analyst and Jaime Lewis is a Management Analyst. Next, I would like to welcome up here. Oh, Parks and Rec Commissioners are here. I would like to give you their names. Kimberly Evers is Commissioner Ross Ritter, Julie Vander Aura, Brad Hanson, Michael Quinn, Karen Koblitz is on a senior commission, Quaid Kelly is on the Youth Commission, Jennifer Markowitz is a commission in the arts and Vicki Campbell is a commission of the arts. So thank you all. And I will now read the proclamation. Whereas since July of 1985, July has been celebrated across the nation as Parks and Recreation Month. And whereas Parks, Recreation and Cultural Arts enhances community where everyone belongs by providing safe, vibrant, environmentally healthy, progressive communities that make life better through positive alternatives offered in recreational and artistic opportunities. And whereas Parks, Recreation and Cultural Arts offer engagement and education for human development and endless learning opportunities that foster social, intellectual, physical, creative, and emotional growth in people of all ages and abilities. And whereas, parks, recreation, and cultural arts provides a wealth of volunteer pathways, empowering residents to contribute their time and talents, fostering a sense of community while making a positive impact on people, parks and programs. And whereas parks, recreation, and cultural arts promote physical, emotional, creative, and mental health wellness, and through organized and self-directed fitness, play, and activity, and whereas parks, recreation, and cultural arts creates community character and memorable experiences through summer camps, senior activities, cultural arts enrichment programs, fitness, free community events, support of youth sports organizations, and beyond. And whereas Parks, beaches, trails, and recreation facilities provide safe spaces, fostering social cohesiveness by celebrating diversity, providing spaces to come together peacefully, modeling compassion, promoting social equity, connecting social networks, and ensuring all people have access to their benefits. And whereas parks, recreation, and cultural arts maintains and operates over 328 acres of Parkland, including 20 unique community parks, three sports parks, a world-class skate park, and a two-acre, off-leash dog park, along with maintaining 10 miles of streetscape, 90 acres of open space, 33 acres of beaches, and 41 miles of trails accessible on the outer spatial app. Whereas parks, beaches, and trails promote environmental health for our natural resources by protecting habitats and open space, connecting people to nature and promoting the ecological function of Parkland. Whereas parks, recreation, and cultural arts create opportunities for the creation, celebration, and appreciation of the arts through a multitude of mediums, including but not limited to music, dance, theater, public art, events, and installations. And whereas parks, recreation, and cultural arts practice, fiscal stewardship by supporting the economic vitality of communities by partnering with local businesses and nonprofits to offer events for residents engagement. And now, therefore I, Tony Cranes, Mayor of the City of Encinitas, along with all city council members, dear heart here by proclaimed July of 2024 as parks and recreation month, recognizing that parks, recreation and cultural arts enrich the lives of residents and visitors in the city of Ancinitas, and urge all citizens to fully utilize and enjoy our parks, beaches, trails, open space, facilities, and cultural arts and recreational opportunities. Data to this 26th day of June 2024. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor and City Council for this. Families that play together stay together. Arts and culture help people understand their neighbors, their history, and their environment. We work for the instantedist residents, but more important we work with them. Thanks to the Commission volunteers that came tonight and all that participate for all they do as part of this. And we'd like to end with a video of our programs. Thanks to Kieran Parhaar from IT for organizing our video and Nick Buck Mobility Manager for being our video once again. Thank you, video voice once again. Thank you. Thank you. and cultural arts department plays in enhancing a community where everyone belongs by creating engaging in educational services and safe places to enjoy the instantaneous life. From the parks and beaches where you play, facilities where you learn, arts you create, trails that you hike, streets that you bike, and events you enjoy, the department delivers a dynamic and vibrant incinitas to work, create, and play. To guide you to incinitas' outdoor spaces, the department partners with the Outer Spatial Mobile app to offer a unique incinitas site accessible on your smartphone. The app allows you to explore dozens of trails using real-time GPS along with information about parks, events, and is loaded with plenty of tools to make and share social connections. The administrative services division permits hundreds of special events, ceremonies, and rentals, along with management of leases, operating agreements, grants, the Incinitus Ranch Golf Authority, and animal services, while providing administrative support for the Sister City Program. Through the Sister City Program, three Incinitist proud teenagers will be visiting a Moxie, Japan to learn about Japanese culture hands-on. The division also serves the Arts, Youth, Senior, and Parks and Recreation conditions and facilitates the Community Grant Program that supports incinitist art and civic projects. The Parks division maintains an operates over 328 acres of parkland, including 20 unique neighborhood parks, three sports parks, a world-class skate park, and a cute acre off-leash dog park, along with maintaining 10 miles of street skate, 90 acres of open space, 33 acres of beaches, and 41 miles of trails. The Recreation Division cultivates connections and education for all ages and abilities. The Incinuitous Community and Senior Center hosts health, wellness, and enrichment along with rentals for life celebrations, activities, and meetings. The Open Gym, Senior Center, and nutrition program make the center a second home to many and a vibrant site for visitors. The Recreation Division also produces the Incinuitous Holiday Parade, Spring Egg Hunt, Cyclovia, Movies in the Park, and launch the brand new Incinuitous VIPs volunteer program. volunteer program. As the Cultural Arts Division prepares for the grand opening of the Pacific View Art Center, over the year they presented 77 events, totaling 30,000 attendees at concerts, four art nights, and two nutcracker performances. They installed 80 pieces of public art and coordinated 28 visual art exhibitions at City Hall, the Incinus Library, and the Community Center. They also facilitate the Community Grant Program that awards $150,000 for Incinus Arts and Civic projects. Follow us on social media this July to learn about the vital role parks, recreation, and cultural arts play in bringing people together, offering essential services in fostering health and creativity in the city of Incinitas. Thank you. The picture. Come on down for a picture. Can you all move up front here? We get closer and we zoom up front. Come on in. Come on in. Come on closer and come on up. Come on up. Come on up. Okay, let's see. There's a couple of people being covered. You could fit in between the people. Okay. See. Okay, I think I have everyone. Ready, one, two, three. Gonna take a couple more. One, two, three. Last one, one, two, three. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then while the council is coming back to the dias if anyone is missing a key card for their car, we may have it up here at the dias. I'm not telling you. You have to tell me what the car. And if nobody claims that we're having a car giveaway at the end of the meeting, so you got to stay. You got to stay. Okay. Winner must be present. Correct. Our next proclamation is being presented to Lisa Nava, the director of operations of the North County LGBTQ Resource Center and other staff members. And we are recognizing and declaring June as Pride Month and Incidentists and we're a little late with the proclamation, but we did put the pride flag up earlier in the month. So thank you Lisa and team for being here. I, this is particularly important to me because of family of mine. My brother Fred was gay in growing up in the 70s and 80s. It was especially challenging for him because of the stigma that was attached to it at the time. And so celebrating how far we've come is important to me. He did die of AIDS in 1987, one of the great tragedies of our family. But we have made progress. However, there's still a lot of work to do to be more inclusive as a community. So I am going to read this proclamation first. As we celebrate in declared June is Pride Month in Incidentists, we are reminded that this June we stand with the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community in our own city as they declare their own pride in who they are and who they love. Whereas the city of Ancinitas has a diverse lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer community and is committed to supporting visibility, dignity, and equality for all people in the community. And whereas many of the residents, students, employees, and business owners within the city of Ancinitas, who contribute greatly to the enrichment of our city are a part of the LGBTQ community. And whereas though there has been remarkable progress towards equality in recent years, members of the LGBTQ community in the United States and around the world still face an unacceptable level of discrimination and violence. And therefore, it is important for cities still face an unacceptable level of discrimination and violence. And therefore, it is important for cities such as city events and Edas to stand up and show support for those affected. And whereas, our nation was founded on the principle of equal rights for all people, but the fulfillment of this promise has been long incoming for many Americans. And whereas some of the most inspiring moments in our history have arisen from civil rights movements that have sought to bring marginalized communities to the mainstream of American society. And whereas the North County LGBTQ Resource Center whose mission is to serve and empower the diverse LGBTQ community of North San Diego County has been open for 17 years. And whereas the annual Pride by the Feach Festival was celebrated on June 1st, 2024 and is recognized as a free community event. And whereas the North County LGBTQ Resource Center was founded in 2008 along with its North County Pride, Pride by the Beach, and has been an advocate for equality and inclusiveness while providing valuable support and life-saving services in all the North San Diego County region. Now, therefore, be it resolved that I, Tony Cran's mayor of the city of Encinitas, and the city council of the city of Encinitas on behalf of all residents of the city of Encinitas, behalf of all residents of the city of Ancinitas do hereby proclaim the month of June as LGBTQ Pride Month in the city of Ancinitas and invite everyone to respect, honor, and celebrate our diverse community and to continue building a cultural, a culture of inclusiveness and acceptance for the LGBTQ community. Data this 26th day of June 2024. Thank you very much, Mayor Cranzen and this council, for your long history of leading in this area of being inclusive. You are one of the very first cities that put the North County LGBTQ Resource Centers website on their website So that citizens of your community could find the resources that they need and the community that they they love I also wanted to just recognize that Tony and I the mayor Cran's and I share a thread Not only do we love and Sunidas and have been residents here for many many years And I know that you grew up here, but my brother too was gay in the 80s and died from AIDS. And that is why I am so committed and passionate about the work that needs to be done in the LGBTQ community. I want to say that Encinitas with the flag and the proclamation really sends a sign to not only the staff members that work here in the city, but all students that are struggling to find their way and citizens that want to know that their community stands with them. So I appreciate local residents standing with me tonight and I want everyone to know that the North County Center stands ready not only to serve the LGBTQ community, but all communities and we transform communities when we come together. Thank you very much for this important proclamation. Thank you. Thank you. Perfect. Everyone's in here. Ready? One, two, three. Just a couple more. One, two, three. And then last one. Five. One, two. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five. Five, two, three. And then last one. Five. One, two, three. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, finally tonight. Just give me a second. Okay, finally tonight. I came in uniform as well. You see a lot of shirts around here. My sister Trudy gave me this for Christmas. It's an autographed model. Jerry put his initials on here, so it makes it pretty special. And I am proud to be issuing a proclamation to Jerry Sova, the long time owner of the Katankenos, a landmark here in Encinitas that unfortunately is going to be closing. And we were hoping to have Jerry here tonight, but he had an accident and broke his hip, and so he was unable to make it. So Vaca, his right-hand man, is going to come up and receive the proclamation. And Mark's going to come with him and hold a fun picture. When we talk about community character in Incinitas, it is to me mostly about the characters who live here in our community. And Jerry Sova is one of the most unique individuals that we have. He's got a huge heart. His generosity is unmatched by anybody that I have met. It has been tremendous to have him as a businessman here in our community. He's clearly been very successful in his businesses and has invested wisely. He's been a big part of our community for a very long time. So it's with great pride that I issue this proclamation. As a young man in the 80s, early 80s, I was a regular at Kinos for breakfast, not for, not for, and I stayed out of the bar, but the ability to walk in and order my food, go sit down, serve myself some water or coffee was something that I very much enjoyed. I bought a Los Angeles Times newspaper because I preferred their editorial page to the San Diego Union at the time, still, frankly. But in the meantime, lots of breakfasts there. You can tell that I ordered the big plates most often. So I will now read the proclamation and it says, whereas nearly 54 years ago, a cornerstone of our community was established with the founding of what would become a beloved local institution, Captain Kino's restaurant. And whereas in 1970, Jerry Solva became the proud owner of this esteemed establishment. And whereas with only $550, Jerry embarked on an entrepreneurial journey, pouring his heart and soul into his restaurant by tending bar, cooking, and personally welcoming guests. And whereas Jerry Solva's creativity and dedication were evident from the beginning, as he strategically purchased old cars to park in front of his restaurant, creating the impression of a bustling and popular venue. Thereby drawing in customers. And whereas in his decades of ownership, Jerry added to the colorful tales about the place, famously sporting a flowing mane of black hair in his early years as a restaurant owner, embodying the unique and vibrant spirit of the establishment. And whereas Jerry's contributions to the community extend beyond his restaurant and whereas Jerry's contributions to the community extend beyond his restaurant as he owned several other local businesses and demonstrated his unwavering commitment to our community, our city's economic growth and community spirit. And whereas Jerry's generosity and community spirit shown brightly during the holiday seasons when he would host locally famous Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners for a $3 donation with the assurance that anyone who couldn't pay would still receive a warm meal and festive company. And whereas Captain Kino's restaurant has not only served delicious meals but also created countless memories and fostered a sense of community and belonging among residents and visitors alike. And whereas Jerry Sova was honored as the 2007 grand marshal of the Incinitas holiday parade, a testament to his enduring impact and cherished presence in our community. And whereas in 2023, reflecting on his years of dedication, Jerry Sova, now in his 80s, expressed, quote, I wish it could stay the way it is. But of course, that's impossible. We must face the realities of life. Close quote. Now, therefore, I, Tony Kranz, mayor of the city of Ancinitas, along with all the city council members, do hereby proclaim our heartfelt appreciation and honor to Jerry Silva for his years of exceptional service, dedication and contributions to our community. As we bid farewell to Captain Keynows, we celebrate the indelible mark that Jerry and as a blovid establishment have made on our city. In honor of Jerry's birthday, which is today, we recognize his legacy and the profound impact he has had on Incininess. Data this 26th day of June, 2024. Thank you all. And yes, let's sing a song and I will get it started. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday dear Jerry. Happy birthday to you. And many more. Yeah, and step-producing picture. And there are birthday cards and get-well cards in the point-setty room. and the We are going to be here to give you a big round of applause for the participants of the kick picture. There are birthday cards and get well cards in the points at the room. If anybody is interested in signing those, we will be delivered to Jerry. We certainly wish he could be here, but we wish him well and look forward to him being back in his accomplishments over the years and all that he contributed to the community. He is, there was initially a plan to close by the end of this month. My understanding is it's gonna be a couple more months, maybe by the end of August. Yeah. So stop on by, does the council wanna come for a photo? And then Mayor, do you want to take the... What's over? And then Mayor, I do have the two speakers. Right! Perfect. Everyone ready? One, two, three. Okay, couple more. One, two, three. And last one. One, two, three. Thank you very much. Wait, before you all go, stay here. Stay here. Ross, Ross, Trit, come on up. Ross, Trit's go, stay here. Stay here. Ross, Ross Tritt. Come on up. Ross Tritt is going to come up. Stay here. We got Ross Tritt of Council Member, excuse me, assembly member Burner's office here for another little special something for you. Thank you Mayor for the introduction. As you mentioned, my name is Ross Tritt. I'm here representing assembly Member Tasha Burner. I want to preface by saying that the Assembly Member really wanted to come here and present this to you herself, but she's in Sacramento, so logistically, didn't work out. So from one middle man to another middle man, if you could, if you could just pass along to Jerry that the assembly member personally appreciates all that Jerry has all the work that he's done in Sanitas, she's been a long time resident and she's personally seen the positive impact that he's made, especially when it comes to helping out those who are food insecure and on a personal note, she also is a regular at Captain Kino's do. So she's going to miss, yeah, just the restaurant. She's going to miss going out dining out as well. And I'm honored that I get to present this to you. I'm going to read off from it right now. It says, Assembly Certificate of Recognition presented to Jerry Sova in recognition of 54 years of operating in the city of insiditas. Thank you for your dedication to your patrons and to the greater community. Your years of efforts assisting those struggling with food insecurity is commended. On behalf of the California State Assembly, your generosity has been an inspiration and we are grateful for your community service. Thank you for having me. Okay. Okay. Ready? Ready? Okay. One more. One, two, three. That's the perfect order. Okay. Okay. Okay. Ready? Okay. Ready? Okay. Ready? Ready? Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. One more, one, two, three. That's a perfect honor right there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And then Mary, we do have one speaker, John Guiada. Thank you. Timer's starting. Hello, City Council Mayor, staff. As we've heard tonight, Jerry obviously is a beloved figure. Camp Kinos is a landmark milestone within the city of San Diego. And we heard a lot about his helping the food insecure. Anyone who's lived in Sineas over the last 10, 20 years has been saddened by the loss of landmark retail businesses restaurants in the city. Whether it was Cahillone or a little more coffee shop or whatever it was, those were landmarks to us and milestones in our lives. Jerry's and Camcinos are a little bit different. He served a role that was sorely needed in the community, and that is helping those who are food insecure. If you had a little bit of money, you could eat for days at Camp Kinos. If you didn't have any money, same thing. He would turn you away. If you could scrape up a buck 50, you could have endless soup. It's not just kitschy, it's not just cute, it's not just heartwarming. It's maybe life and death is a little bit hyperbole, but it certainly was dire for a lot of people who were helped by him and his policies. And I don't know how to ask this, and I don't know if it's possible, but you know, we see restaurants or other establishments come and go, but when we have something that really fills a community need like Cam Kenos, it'd be nice to see if there's a way that something or somehow an establishment or some process could be put in its place. I understand we have private rights to property and all that stuff. And I'm not trying to say, oh, poor, you know, the bad guy is buying this restaurant and it won't keep it the same. But it'd be nice if somehow we can make some sort of procedure or proceduralize that it goes missing. Sorry for my lack of eloquence here. But when he goes, nothing's taking its place. And I know, pretty sure, that the new restaurant's not going to do the same kind of thing. And obviously, Jerry was in a unique position. But again, it goes beyond a private establishment, a private business, a private perspective. It's really kind of a city service that he provided. And I don't know how to help with this. I maybe it's the senior center that does it and they do good work but I'd love to see some consideration in that regard. Anyway, having birthday Jerry, hope you feel better. Thanks, Sawcast. Okay, thank you all for being here to celebrate the park's month, pride month and cap and keynotes. With that, we are moving on to item five, which is oral communications. So do you have several? And just to remind our oral communications are to speak on items that are not listed on the agenda tonight. First three speakers are Nancy Logan, Mark Wilcox, followed by Quaid Kelly. Okay. Good evening, Council. Nice to see all of you. What a three joyous proclamations to start this meeting. They were wonderful. Thank you. Nancy Logan was saying to get a lands for drug for youth. And tonight very importantly, my remarks are for me as a 38 year resident of insinitas. And I'd like to bring your attention to Scott Wiener's proposed Senate Bill 969, which authorizes consumption of alcoholic beverages on public streets, sidewalks, and public rights of way. The bill raises significant concerns regarding public safety, health impacts, and the overall well-being of our community. Permitting on-street drinking introduces a host of public safety risks. Alcohol consumption and uncontrolled environments on streets increases the likelihood of accidents and altercations. This poses a direct threat to pedestrians, drivers, and residents undermining the basic principle of public safety. The California Alcohol Policy Quotes SB 969 will increase the access and consumption of alcohol under conditions that compromise the public interest in community health and public safety. Alcohol justice formerly known as the Marine Institute, the oldest alcohol policy advocacy group in California and possibly the nation, also regarded highly with San Diego Alliance. They say that Senate Bill 969 will open the door to many potential harms, liability entanglements, and unwanted neighborhood disruptions. This is at odds with the best practices that were up to including the ideals of mixed use neighborhoods. Alcohol justice also quotes that nothing obligates the traffic to be separated from the consumers, creating a situation where people drive to the party zone, drink to excess, and then drive home on the very street where people are still drinking. At a time when alcohol related harm is spiraling SB 969 will just make it worse. Whenever you start relaxing laws it always moves a little bit closer to a place we never want to be. There can never be too much enforcement to prevent excessive drinking. And perhaps, if many years ago, stricter laws were in place, my husband would still be alive. I wouldn't have been widowed and critically injured at 27 years old. And my one-year-old baby would have gotten to know her daddy because the drunk driver who hit us would hopefully have made a different choice. So I'm respectfully asking you, the Incinida City Council, to write a letter to our elected legislators in opposition of 969 and to pass on the unwanted and unneeded alcohol-related harm. Thank you. I will point out that that is a bill that would leave it to the local jurisdictions to decide and know I certainly have no intention of authorizing the consumption of alcohol freely on the street. So that's the key to me is that it's a local control issue and we will still have the ability to not allow for that activity. Thank you, Mayor. And I didn't even have time to talk about what it would do to our law enforcement in the straining. And keep them busy. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Mark Wilcox, and I'm here tonight to share concerns expressed by many families here in Encinitas regarding exposure to second hand and third hand tobacco and marijuana smoke. Second hand tobacco and marijuana smoke exposure poses serious health threats to children, adults, and pets. The smoke drifts into the surrounding units through windows, small cracks in walls, ventilation systems, plumbing, and electrical outlets. Third-hand smoke consists of the residue from tobacco or marijuana smoke left behind after smoking and builds up on all surfaces. And it's a key issue that they're dealing with. We all have the right to breathe clean, smoke-free air, especially in our homes. My concern is that some populations can be disproportionately affected by tobacco and marijuana second hand and third hand smoke and are more likely to suffer the health consequences from the exposures. I'm glad to see Smoke Free Multi-Unit Housing is on the Environmental Commission's work plan tonight. I urge the council to support a policy that favors Smoke Free Environ environments and would eliminate tobacco and marijuana smoke in multi-unit housing. This policy will improve the quality of life and encourage healthy living. Thank you. Next speaker is Quaid Kelly followed by Alanu Kumaj followed by Tyler Oversight. followed by Alanu Kumajey, followed by Tyler Overstreet. Hello, City Council. My name is Quaid Kelly and I'm a 15 year old rising sophomore at Pacific Ridge School. On a dedicated student athlete, it been honored to serve on the Insanese Youth Commission from 2023 to 2025. Let's talk about insanitas. What an epic place to live. From the adventurous days with Incinitas junior lifeguards, all the way to activities ranging from athletics and art to civic engagement, our city provides kids and families with amazing opportunities to grow and learn. Thanks to the city of Incinitas and volunteer leaders, we have a community where potential thrives in dreams become a reality. Speaking of dreams, I'm beyond thrilled to say that I'll be joining a delegation for the Amakuza City Exchange program in less than a month. If I were any more excited, I probably spout wings and fly to Japan myself. I'm eager to draw my passion for learning and city service to represent Isanitas in forward life long connections. While the food and culture looks absolutely amazing, what excites me most is the opportunity to deepen our global partnership and bring new perspectives back to our community. When I return, I hope to sit down with you to discuss my journey, share insights, and brainstorm how we can leverage this international experience to benefit Isanitas. From local projects, hold up pause. Oh. Well, okay. From local projects of future initiatives, I'm all in for finding ways to serve and uplift our community with the knowledge and connections I'll gain. I heard they love baseball cards in Japan. So do I. I made a special live trip. Thank you, you're in time. Thank you. Applause. Hello. I'm Alana Kumagai. I'm another one of the students I'll get to. I'll get to a moxa. Next year I will be a junior at SDA High School. I'm involved in the theater program there. I've been in several plays. I also love taking Japanese classes at my school. I'm very excited to learn more when I get to Japan about the language and also just the culture. I want to thank you for your support for this program and the opportunities that's creating for our community communities to connect. Thank you. Next speaker is Tyler Overstreet, followed by Jesse Hanway and the Nancy Perry Sheridan. Hi. Hello. I'm Tyler Overstreet. I'm the third and final representative of RCD to Almacuse, Japan. And first off, I would like to thank all of our council members for maintaining the Sister City program. However, I would strongly encourage you guys to grow the program as there are plenty of other children who were very close to getting this amazing opportunity and did not. So I appreciate the support this program has gotten and I would encourage more support to it. But thank you guys very much for this opportunity. I could not be more excited. Good evening, City Council members and Mayor Krants. My name is Jessie Hanwet and I am on the Ensenita Senior Citizens Commission but I'm here tonight as a private citizen and older adult from Ensenitas. I want to take a few minutes to talk to you about the AARP livable communities and the age-friendly network. In February, you should have received a letter from the senior citizen commission asking you to consider helping Ansonitas to become a part of this important network. I became aware of the AARP liable communities months ago when I met Israel Hernandez, the associate director for advocacy and community engagement for the AARP. He was working actively with the cities of Vista and Oceanside at that time, and they have since joined Salonabeech and Clause Bad and creating a long-term plan to create liable communities. According to the 2022 census data release, there are approximately 21,000 residents in Incinitas who were 55 years or older. And in 2034, it's predicted that the people in this entire country who are over 65 will outnumber children age 17 or younger. Preparing for these population changes requires a long-term vision and commitment and often what's good for an eight year old will also serve somebody who's 80. I believe that community should provide safe walkable streets, age-friendly housing, transportation options, access to needed services, and opportunities for residents of all ages to participate in community life. Solonabeech became part of AARP's livable community network in 2021 and during the initial stages they received input from a diverse cross-section of their city. This helped the age-friendly Solonabeech project team prepare an action plan to make the city a more vibrant and livable community for all ages. I know that our city already has worked hard to put many plans in place to improve things such as safety and housing. And I know these plans are designed to improve the lives of insidious residents. What stood out to me about the AARP process and differentiates it from your traditional procedures is the fact that the first step would be to form an age-friendly team. This team could include not only interested city staff but an AARP representative and representatives from the senior commission, the youth commission, the legitimacy needed city residents, the CRC just to name a few. Funding, which is not promised but is possible from the San Diego Foundation would allow the engagement of SDSU's Social Policy Institute with the help of this institute, the second step of engaging the community would happen through online services and listening sessions. Israel and I have already spoken with council members, ailer and lines, and we're hoping to talk to all the city council members and the mayor and the very near future to discuss the possibility of starting the livable communities process for insinitas. I urge you to check out the 2023 age-friendly Salonabeech Action Plan. Thanks for your time, and I look forward to revisiting this amazing and worthwhile concept soon. Thank you. Next speaker is Nancy Perry Sheridan followed by Maria Ardant and then Scott Campbell. I'm going to lower the podium. Okay, it's going down. Good job. Thank you. Good evening. I'm Nancy Perry Sheridan. I work with San Diego Alliance leading youth groups and programs to address mental health in our middle and high schools. I've been following the conversation and staff proposals about the outdoor dining permits and parklets. Several questions come to mind specifically, who's the target market for the staff recommendations? Which demographic is City Council appealing to? Is it bars and restaurants or local residents? The parklets and the additional outdoor dining areas have certainly changed the streets, sidewalks, and number of parking places downtown. Expanding the outdoor dining areas has created a narrow passage for oncoming foot traffic, resulting in an inaccessible pathway on the public sidewalk. I find it impossible to dodge an oncoming family with their pet dog, as I use the wheelchair with my service dog. I've often been at eye level with large dogs who may not be well trained and small dogs that are aggressive to me or to my dog. I've often been at eye level with large dogs who may not be well trained and small dogs that are aggressive to me or to my dog. It's a recurring safety issue for me. Also the report states that there's no limit on the number of dining and alcohol serving venues per block and I wonder why. What's the reason behind having no limit? Our downtown has recovered from COVID and is vibrant. There's no problem to limit. By limiting the number of outdoor alcohol serving venues, our downtown will remain diverse with a balance and mix of merchants that serve the needs of our families and visitors. Please establish a limit, which will also protect the neighboring small businesses who also suffered during COVID and need support to survive. In closing, your actions will indicate to all the families in Encinitas who is really valued, the restaurant and alcohol industry, or just Zeta's residents who want to walk a well downtown with a variety of small local shops and services. Let's be honest, transparent and responsible as these plans are developed. Please address these concerns as staff moves forward. By the way, it's really astonishing and seems to indicate again that somehow the city is catering for some unknown reason to the alcohol industry. I just about fell off my chair to learn there's been no leasing fees collected for the use of the public space. We should have been collecting a premium for those parklets and use those funds to develop parking plans and security for the downtown area. I hope you'll consider my suggestions. Thank you. Thank you. Hello. It's almost the right height for me. So I'm Maria Ardance and Sanita Sriansh. So this is part of my unintended consequences series, part toa. So Parklands lost. The city of Sanita states on his website that we have 150 acres of developed and developed Parkland, including 19 unique community parks. Now I think the video tonight actually said 328, so I don't know where the discrepancy is, so that's pretty big, but doesn't change my point. Anyway, based on our 2024 Census data for Incinidas, it's projected that we have 60,750 residents. And that's actually even based on the incremental decrease that we've steadily had since 2018 Census data. Even with the decrease in population, we're actually in fact, woefully deficient in city parkland and open space according to the National Recreation Parks Association. This was actually really weird timing with the whole presentation tonight. The typical park and recreation agency offers one park for every 2,386 residents served with 10.6 acres of parkland per 1000 resident. So we've got 19 square miles of land. So that's 640 acres per 1 square mile. So that's 12,160 acres of land and insnitas. So with doing a little math here, with 10.6 acres of parkland for 60,750 residents, we should have 644 acres of park land. 644, not the 150 on the website or not even the 328 on the presentation tonight. So I'm not going to get into the rest of this because that kind of gets into agenda stuff. So I'll leave it at saying that we should be keeping our park land not eliminating park land because we are deficient In our city parkland and then just because I've got a little extra time I'm gonna kind of second marks conversation regarding the second and third-hand smoke We're smoke-free city All isn't I think I actually emailed you was either late last month or early this month walking in my neighborhood right with my dog and There's these two young people I don't think they're residents never seen them they're just puffing on their joint in the middle of the street on a Saturday right just walking through the neighborhood kids playing they turn puffed all in my face like totally rude like why would you even do that and I'm pretty sure as a smoke-free city they're not supposed to be smoking cigarette or pot, frankly, is that even legal on the street? Like, I know it's legal in San Diego, but I don't think it's supposed to be on the street. That's supposed to be like private, right? Yeah. So we kind of need a little education in the community about what's allowed with pot, specifically, especially around children. I mean, pot increases suicide rates and teens. And everyone is now just trying to teach kids that it's acceptable to smoke pot. And it's not. It affects their brain, especially before the age of 25. We need to be more responsible. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next speakers, got Campbell, Gail Reich, and then Mark Mavill. My favorite part. Okay, good evening councilman, I'm Scott Campbell and I'm here actually representing Ancendita's Sisson Review Panel. Glad to see our city manager is back in full health and it was a good move that you guys made me wait for two weeks because we have a full house tonight. Ascending assistant community, ascending assistant review panel is dedicated to educating the citizens of Anson Ediths. We are not a single issue group. We do all sorts of issues. And so, you know, here's the great announcement. This is a surprise to some people, not to everybody here. We're holding a debate. We have seven of eight candidates of greed. We wrangled with dates and we wrangled with moderators. And I think we have a consensus, and we're doing this. This is going down Tuesday, August 20th. We hope you're all there. And that's it, keep it short, it's a very long thing. Any questions or any remarks? Thank you. Okay, Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm on the board of directors of my homeowners association, but this issue I think is something that all our homeowners associations and there are many in the city events need us. And the concern that I have relates to the corporate acquisition of single family homes. That's one of the trends also the fractional and co-ownership of homes where multiple owners share rights and responsibilities of owning an asset. So in other words, several purchasers can buy a slice of a home. Like for instance, there was a home on Neptune Ave and one eighth of it was being sold at a time to different investors from who knows where, but all over. So they could stay in that home for portions of the year, kind of like a time share, but phrase a little bit differently. And the other concern I have is just in general the corporate acquisition of foreclosed homes and of low income homes. I saw a presentation actually here before the council where of three bedroom, brand new home, three, I'm sorry, three bedroom, three bedroom, brand new home was purchased by BlackRock for $138,000 in the city of Nantes to be rented for low income housing. But once it's, these are forever rentals that the corporate acquisitions are creating in our community. And I'm here because my community has encountered a 233 percent increase since 2022 of homes being acquired by corporate interests to become forever rentals. This is just my little community of 113 homes within Encinitas. And I know that there are other communities like Newport Beach and Palm Springs who have created a website called Stop Pacasa now to interfere with the trend infracional or co-ownership of homes. That's stoppakasonow.com where they have sample documents of cease and desist orders for these organizations that are coming in and purchasing and making our community just full of rentals and some of them short term rentals. So our HWA has gone to lawyers and asking about this and the lawyers have pointed us to that there needs to be city ordinances, there need to be city legislation to support changes being made in our community. And the fact is that we're almost at one third corporate ownership in our community alone. I think many communities are being affected similarly. And what that means is we need a two thirds majority to make any changes in our association. And soon homeowners interests will be secondary to these corporate rentals. So please consider legislation, please consider doing the stop pacassor now. Please do anything you can to help our community. Thank you. Final speaker is Mark Maville and I don't think he's here. Sam. I don't see Mark. That concludes oral communications. Okay. Appreciate all the comments and participation here. So we move on from item five to six, which is a report from closed session. There was no closed session today. Madam Clerk, are there any changes to the agenda? There are no changes to the post-of agenda this evening, and then moving to the consent calendar, items 8F, 8J. I've been pulled by members of the public, and Jeppie Mayor Blackwell has removed item 8Q. And I'd like to pull item 8K, as in kite. Q. And I'd like to pull item 8k as in kite. Okay, so that leaves item items 8a, b, c, M, N, O, P. I'll move approval of the balance. I'll second. Okay, and before we vote, I said I ended at Q, but there's R, ST, and you also. So hopefully we can add those to the motion. So I wanted to point out that we have on our consent agenda tonight some memorandum as of understanding for crossing guards and some bike safety. And the total on all those between the school districts that we've come to an agreement with, San Aguido School District and C's Union School District, there is a total of $207,273 for that very important public safety item. So I appreciate the support for that item. And I'm glad that we can be contributing to getting students to school safely. So we're ready to vote. Motion carries unanimously. It takes us to item 8F. And the speaker is Rachel White. Hello Mayor and representatives of the Ansonita City Council and and citizens of incinitas. I support the incinitas friends of the arts and when I read this, I was very happy to see that you will be working with them or have the opportunity to vote to work with them and let them represent the arts in the community of incinitas across the board in various different venues. So I hope that when you vote on this this evening, understand that this insinitas friends of the arts not only also support other activities. And as they are coming together and I love their newsletter, where they show all the different activities within insinitas, all the different arts, all the different festivals. You guys are doing an excellent job, and I hope you continue to partner with them. Thank you. Thank you, Rachel How's the member hinge? Are there any other speakers on this item? Okay, I'll go ahead and move approval and think ins and e to friends of the arts for all that you do to promote our vibrant community and Communicate out to the public about what we have going on a second Deputy Mayor Blackwell I was also going second, but thanks for beating me to it. That's totally fine. I did want to make a comment. I'm definitely in support of the MOU. With Council Member Lions, we both sit on the Cultural Tourism Committee of our town. And we're looking how to enrich our cultural arts, we're also enriching our economy. Think of every visitor that comes to a cultural arts event as someone who can also stop at a coffee shop or restaurant, et cetera. And so the MOU does provide some funds for maintaining the calendar, the cultural arts calendar. It's a very important item. It also states there's collaboration between the friends of the arts and the visitor center for Encinitas. The visitor center has a new website. Please check it out. It's really great. And I think it's just important to emphasize that there needs to be a very strong partnership between the friends of the arts and the visitor center. So we have one fluid calendar really that represents the cultural arts in our city. So again, that was my only comment, and I think we can vote. Motion carries unanimously. It takes us to item 8J, and this speaker is Rachel White. Mayor distinguished council members and citizens of Incinatus. When I first learned a Pacific view in 2017, I was one of the many volunteers that show up with Mayor Cranes and at the time Mayor Caffin Blake's fear and we would clean the property, we would take out the trash, lots of broken glass. And when I went to my church and said, hey, can we get a couple of Bible study groups just to help us do the heavy lifting? My church chose that project that year as one of its giving projects and over two million dollars in labor and materials went in to build Pacific View and get it ready for you guys to take it to the next level. As I walk through Pacific View now when I go by and I visit the old schoolhouse because that's where we again, the Ascended Alliance Club has annually held our student piece poster contest to see the beauty of that building, to see the dedication that you guys have put behind it. I'm so happy to have been just a small fraction of what makes incinitas wonderful. My hope and prayer is that Pacific View Academy and arts becomes a beacon for North County and that there's so many organizations within your wonderful city that focuses on the arts for those who are well-to-do. My passion when it came to Pacific View was to focus on those who don't have. The children whose parents work three or four jobs and can afford a $200 art class but who have our potential. When you cut the ribbon on this, I will be there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Rachel. Your church made an important contribution to keeping that building standing until we could come up with the money to do the total rehab, which is now complete. We have a ribbon cutting scheduled for August, or early in August, I think it's the 10th, I believe, but look for that notice in the arts newsletter that the EFA will be putting out so thank you and I would move approval of this item. I will second. Motion carries unanimously. It takes us to item 8K. Okay, thank you. 8K. I was disappointed to see that a very desperately needed repaying of Hygia south of Lucadia Boulevard, which was heavily trafficked by young people writing their bikes to schools and parents with kids on the back of their bikes taking them to school and grandparents with kids on the back of their bike taking their kids to school. It, to me, is a higher priority than several of the other streets that are on the list with especially high PCIs. So I'm looking to figure out a way to get that added so that the repaving can happen in summertime and not during school year. So I'm wondering how we can make some adjustments to the list the streets that were included in the base bid of the project on the next slide. You'll see cost for the Hygia, 126,000 is what we'd be looking to find. So there are a couple options we can replace one of the streets that's in this list. Or if council has ideas for additional funding, we're open to that to add that to the project. So I wonder if you could speak to the issue of South Coast Highway 101 between F Street and K Street. You're repaving that. Is there a reason it seems like what the PCI is high as it is that perhaps some digouts and some slurry ceiling might suffice? Is that, you know, just not in the cards? When I met with a designer on site, they recommended an overlay. Just it was beyond a slurry seal. And that was because of the degradation of the pavement. And how does it have such a high PCI if there was such extensive degradation? It just based on the types of cracking that we saw out there on the site. It wouldn't benefit from a slurry seal. It would see the cracks come through the slurry seal. And so how about if you paved, I mean, so help me out, how can we, what would you recommend if there were see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. you don't want to be put on that spot, but professionally there must be, you know, is there, how should we pick? Just randomly? Something close to the same number? Or... Our professional judgment is that you stick with the base bed. OK, and then the alternative to that is... That you... It's a... Hygia is, like I said, heavily traveled for school. And the potholes in that it's a 40 p 41 p.c. I it's in rough shape so I don't know I'm I'm struggling with some of the streets that we're putting on there. So thank you Mr. Mayor the I seem to recall that the addition of HGO was about 126,000. Another option as you could see if there's interest from your colleagues to take that from the unfunded general fund balance. That's the more difficult one. And so councilmember Aillers. The one question I had was about the PCI, if I remember correctly, we do that. It has actually measured every five years and we're actually kind of late in the cycle. I think it's in 2025, it gets measured. So could part of the problem with the difference between the PCI of the 101 section and what it looks like be possibly the fact that the estimator software is drifted off some and the ensuing three or four years? It could be, but again, the designer and I met on site and walked that segment. So based on our opinion, we thought that a slurry seal would not be sufficient on that segment. And so what was the PCI that is currently estimated for that segment? And does that correlate with what you walked and what the consultant saw too? So it does. The PCI, when you're looking at the street as a whole would equate to that, but based on some of the spots that we saw of the depths of the cracks, that's how we determined that we'd have to do an overlay instead of a slurry seal. Okay. Yeah, and I support the all to add, if I recall last year we did the same approach with the Villanitas section. We did it as an Alt Add. It didn't make it, but it's now in the list this year. So I would support leaving it as an Alt Add, or I would even support considering adding the money. 126 is significant, but not, we have some unassigned general funds that could do it. and the $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, the bill's back for that and already. We only have enough funding to do the base bid. Let me explain what I meant. I think we knew what we could do and what we couldn't do and it actually turned out we actually thought had the money last year for but the bid's all the actuals came in higher and pushed Villanitas off the right so that's what I meant is that we don't know until we get to that last project, how much money really was left. So, Deputy Mayor Blackwell. Well, I'd love to find some money for Hygia, but I also just wanted to raise that I talked to staff about Lucadia Boulevard, and maybe you can go to that slide because those were additive alternatives. I don't know what they were on the roster. But you can see I, you know, it's probably the number one street I hear about. We did do some public works patching and it seems to have reduced the number of complaints. I would love to see Lucadia Boulevard in these sections paved. It's roughly a million dollars, so it's not insignificant. And I think the plan, and maybe you can confirm this still, is to wait until Fox Point Farms and all the heavy construction is done. So we can do a proper job and not have it damaged by heavy construction equipment coming in and out of that site. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. Thank you. I think that one of the challenges is that we don't put a higher priority on resurfacing streets that are heavily trafficked by kids and parents writing their kids to school on bikes. So I've been complaining about this street for a long time. This isn't an indication that you don't get necessarily any additional love as a mayor or council member. I'm, this is an indication that you don't get necessarily any additional love as a mayor or council member, so, but I was very disappointed because I ride that every day. And even when I'm not taking my kid to school, I'm headed to the under crossing and ride down Hygia to get to Sirius and Union Street. So the one thing about being a cyclist that's, that I've been for the last couple years is you get very up close and personal to the roads. And some of the potholes that a driver just doesn't pay any attention to because they're not big enough to make a difference, very much affect cyclists. So very disappointed. I would take Councilmember Aillard's up on his motion to allocate funding from the I didn't make a motion but but we could make me make that a motion that's kind of what I was checking on is that if a motion was made would it be seconded councilmember lines all right I was going to clarify that item but I do see the connection to safe routes to school and and the need for this and so I'd like to support the bringing money forward to cover this under this job. Okay was that a motion? Well I'll second. Councilmember A or if it needs a second I will second. Okay. I'm just going to be clear that's two. With staff recommendation, with additive alternate two, which is adding Higia, Lucadia Boulevard to Syria Street. And it's with the funding coming from General Fund. General Fund. Unallocated Fund Balance. Unallocated Fund Balance. Agreed. Great. Yes.. Yes agreed. Motion carries unanimously. It takes us to hide out. Thank you. Thank you. Do you need a staff report? Maybe we could just get a, well, no, I can take this one on. I think maybe you could just give a quick description of the project and I can talk about a missing intersection in my opinion. Good evening, Mayor Councilmembers. I'm a public, a band against the traffic engineer. A few slides as this was a consent calendar item we prepared for this. This is a city widely pedestrian interval project. The grant that we secured through highway safety and proven program through the state over 1.2 million, 1 million, 234,000 dollars were secured. From the state with zero dollar, with zero match from the city, all of this project is funded by the state. of this project is funded by the state. The idea was to do a sweep of our traffic signal infrastructure citywide. We have about 50 some signals, but some of those we share with other jurisdictions. The majority of our hours obviously about 50 of them are ours. We identified all the improvements needed with the controllers and the cabinets with the communication With the crosswalks with our black detection system at these signalized intersections to enhance safety for pedestrians We proposed to cow trans that we would implement lead pedestrian or vols at all of these signalized intersections strain or vols at all of these signal intersections so that pedestrians where vehicles get their green pedestrians would get their walk time three to seven seconds sooner. With this, we would be required to improve our signal systems with new controllers. Those are all funded. We are adding bike loop and bike detections with pavement markings for those. We are adding new ADA, the newest standard, accessible push buttons, at high visibility crosswalks, continental crosswalks at all locations that are missing them, and also improve our pedestrian ramps. These locations were all identified, the consultant has designed 40 some pages for each intersection. We do have a sheet that says what improvements are needed. We are going to purchase all the equipment needed and then implement new optimized signal timing for these intersections. Thank you and open to questions. Thank you. Oops, I didn't request to speak, but I can keep going, right? So I support this project very much, but I did notice, and maybe you can go to the map, A, if you would, there's really nothing North Illucatiable of Art. And that's because there aren't a lot of traffic signals, North Illucatiable of Art, but there's one very important one, and that crosses the 101 at La Costa. And so is there a reason that was left out? Maybe you can talk about that, and then what would it take to include that one? Absolutely. Maybe we could have been a little bit more clear the map was drafted. So that signal was built by the hotel very recently because of that all the catalytic versions of the signal equipment is already in there. We really didn't need to improve that signal. That's built to our optimum character for that, for a signal system, but we need the city. The only thing that we need to do is basically create a new signal timing plan and implement with the rest of the signals. So we will upgrade physically all of our traffic signals three to six months from now we'll be looking at designing new timing for all of these signals and implement. When we come back with the design immunity and new timing for all of our signal system, these other intersections that are already at 27, have 27 controllers will be included. Okay, so we'll include it as you come back with it. Perfect, thank you very much. Sure. And with that, I would move to approve it. Second. Motion carries your hand. Okay. Should conclude the consent calendar. Taking a song to item 10A, which is a public hearing for consideration of adopting resolutions authorizing the annual indexed adjustments to the cost of services schedule, which is known as user fees for planning and engineering development servicing development processing fees for fiscal year 2425. And as a public hearing, we will hear a staff report. We will ask council to disclose any other information that they have received that is not included in the staff report. We'll have a round of preliminary questions. We will open the public hearing, and then we will close this public hearing and have council discussion and action. And it looks like Assistant Director of Finance Gallup is going to give us a presentation. Yes, that's correct and with me tonight is Theresa McBroom, director of finance. Good evening honorable mayor deputy mayor and city council members. This item before you tonight is the public hearing for consideration of adopting resolutions authorizing the annual indexed adjustments to the cost of services schedule for planning and engineering development processing fees. The city's consultant, Wildand Financial Services, completed a comprehensive, independent user fee study in 2021. the year 2021. The primary goal of a user fee study is to determine the reasonable cost of providing services. At the time, it was noted cost recovery levels for development service fees were comparatively low. To be comparable to nearby agencies, Wildand recommended an initial fee increase of 10% followed by a 15% increase the following year. The consultant also recommended that the city include an inflationary factor based on the increase in the consumer price index. To ensure that fees are adjusted as costs increase into allow for incremental increases over time rather than large increases when studies are performed every three to five years. It is also recommended that fees be capped at an 80% cost recovery rate given the city derives direct and indirect benefits from development activities. The initial fee increase of 10% and study recommendations were approved by the city council on August 11th, 2021, and fees became effective October 1, 2021. The City Council subsequently approved a 15% increase and 7% CPI adjustment based on the Consumer Price Index on June 15, 2022, which became effective July 1st, 2022. Last year the City Council adopted a fee schedule that included a 6.2% adjustment for fees which became effective July 1st, 2023. State law requires that a public agency hold a public hearing to affirm any proposed fee increase including those that are indexed. Proposed fee schedules are included as attachments 1 and 2 in the agenda report. An adjustment of 5.1% based on the CPI increase for calendar year 2023 has been applied to the proposed fees. Staff estimates that the fiscal impact of the fee increase from the CPI adjustment will be approximately $72,000. I did want to note that staff has started collecting data for a new fee study which we anticipate completing early this fall. The recommended action is to adopt resolutions 2024-73, amending the schedule fees for planning services, and resolution 2024-72, amending the schedule fees for engineering services. That concludes our presentation. Staff is available to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you. And with that, I'd like to ask for my colleagues to make any disclosures that are necessary Nothing to disclose nothing to disclose nothing to disclose nothing to disclose and I have nothing to disclose So are there any preliminary questions? Councilmember avers. Yeah, do we know if any of our neighboring cities index in a similar way? Yeah city of Carl'sett does include a CPI adjustment annually as well. Most cities have gravitated towards that just because studies are time-consuming, and so they want to incorporate cost, and these significant cost increases for providing those services by the staff. Okay, thank you. And you use the term cost recovery. I'm in a, I work for a capitalist and if I were to be selling products that were less than the cost, I wouldn't have a job very long. And so I do like to take the opportunity to point out that as a city, we are actually subsidizing the development services department and the projects that are completed in our community. We do that because as many of the people that come forward to use these services are residents that are looking to improve their home and Other reasons I think the presentation mentioned that there are benefits that accrue to the city In other ways when a project is built or are there is an improvement so Pretty important part of this presentation to point that out. So, with that, Madam Clerk, are there any public? Oh, I have to open the public hearing. But open. There are no public speakers. Oh, my. Closing the public hearing. With that, we will move on to council deliberation. Thank you. Thank you. And before you make a motion, I'll just point out that the resolutions are actually 73 and 74. Okay. Yeah. So, um, we see slips coming up, is that for this item? Okay. Very good. So, we are authorized to begin our deliberations, councilmember lines. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I wanted to reiterate the fact that for quite a while now, we have not been charging even up to our goal of 80% of the cost to us, to the city, for these engineering and planning costs. And so essentially we are, and we have been subsidizing private sector development. And when it comes to us prioritizing how we use our money, I mean I think we all experience that there's a lot of cost to the city of development. Like I know just consider some of the housing element projects that have a large impact on our city. Well you know we need to come in and we need to improve our infrastructure and we need to do other things. So there's a lot of costs that have already come through to the city that we bear and one that we don't need to continue to subsidize is these costs for planning and engineering services. So I wanted to make that point and be just really clear that I'm in favor of aiming for continuing to aim for our goal of 80% cost recovery and at this point this is an acceptable step forward and I'd like to approve the recommended action which is adopt resolutions 2024-73 for planning services and 2024-72 for engineering services. I'll second that. And just for clarification it'll be resolution 2024-73 and 2024-74. the bill. Motion carries unanimously. That takes us to item 10 B. I would like to inquire with my colleagues if you would prefer to take a break now before we get into the longer item. How many speakers are there for 10 B. We're at 25. 25 speakers. We could either hear the presentation first and then speakers after the break. Let's do it that way. And six. Okay. Good evening, Mayor and Councilmembers. I'm Patty Anders, Planning Manager. Thank you. And I'll be providing an update to the Financial Feasibility Analysis and Public Engagement Plan for the City-owned parcel at 634, Quill Gernes Drive, also known as L7. So I will provide a background, and then I will have Ken Hira from Cosmoke Companies to present the Financial Feasibility Analysis, and then I'll wrap up the presentation with the Public engagement plan. Can you full screen that presentation please? It's doing us. Let's see. Okay. There you go. So at the March 22nd council meeting last year, we had a study session on no net loss and at that meeting council directed staff to assess 100% affordable housing project at the L7 site for two development scenarios. The first was an affordable housing project with approximately 30 to 45 units utilizing SB 9. The second was a senior housing development of approximately 60 units that would require up zone and have a site. Then on June 28th of last year, Council approved a professional services agreement with Cosmont to begin initiation of the surplus land act or SLA. Staff then coordinated with HCD on the SLA process and in August of last year, HCD determined the site could not be exempt from the SLA process due to it being located in the coastal zone. And then at the same time, HCD also confirmed that the city was required to go through a modified SLA process, and this process gave the city more control of the density, the type of housing and design of the site. So the SLA process was initiated and HCD approved the required notice of availability or NWA on October 8th of last year. And then on November 8th of last year, Council approved the site of surplus. The NWA was sent to the required three entities for the government code. The NWA was released from November 21st last year to January 22nd of this year. No responses were received from the three required agencies, and this concluded the SLA process. So on February 24th of this year, staff provided an update and recommendation of conducting financial feasibility analysis for the site utilizing a density bonus subdivision with 30 to 45 units at various income levels. So I'm now going to turn it over to Ken with the Cosmon companies. Thank you. Mr. Mayor and members of the council, my name is Ken Hero with Cosmon Companies. Mr. Mayor and members of the council. My name is Ken Hira with Cosmon Companies. We've been working with the city for some time now on trying to evaluate different opportunity sites and with the goal and objective of trying to achieve 100% affordable housing project. It's been a bit of a process, but we're now to the point where we were able to do a high level financial feasibility analysis. And I'll talk a little bit about more of those assumptions. But we've been working with the city for like I say, back in March of 23. I think I was here at City Council and again, trying to achieve affordable housing on the L7 site. In February earlier this year, we were directed to prepare a high level financial performance analysis for 30 to 45 residential units on the L7 property with four different affordability levels. And it was assuming about a 15 lot subdivision scenarios included a combination of 1,500 square foot, single family for rent units, 15 accessory dwelling units of about 1,000 square feet each and 15 junior ADUs at 500 square feet each. These are all high level assumptions. The analysis examines operating revenues, development cost estimates for each of the scenarios to solve for the estimated subsidy or grants that are needed assuming a dollar per square foot ground lease of the property. The assumption here is that the property wouldn't be sold. It would be ground lease, effectively at a very low immaterial amount of a dollar. And in the discussion throughout this presentation, when we talk about subsidy, I just want to bring that up because that's a word that might have certain implications. The burden of that financial gap, which you'll see in the millions of dollars of arrange, needs to be filled. And it can be filled as a subsidy, as a grant, as a financial gap, and finding the creative ways to close that gap is a future exercise, if you will. But the site is here, L7, as folks know, on Quill, Gardens Drive, the four different scenarios that we ran proform as for. On number one, it was assuming 60% of the units were moderate income, 20% at low income, 20% at very low income. And those are percentages of AMI area median income. And both of those were run for 30 to 45 unit scenarios. The second set of performance, assume a 50% moderate income level, 25% low, 25% very low. The third scenario is a third, a third, a third, a third, between moderate, low and very low. And then the last scenario assumes no moderate income and 80% low and 20% very low. And so really in summary, and they're supporting pro forma analyses behind this. But in summary, the pro forma's estimated development cost a net operating income after completion, and essentially a return on investment, and there's different ways to finance these investments. Key cost components include site development, building costs, architectural, permacin fees, and financing costs. The NOI includes gross rent, vacancy factor, operating expenses. These are relatively common aspects of a financial valuation and a performance of the state at stabilized operations. We assume the market capitalization of a 5.5% cap rate, and after deducting the development costs and a component that includes low income housing tax credits. In most of these examples, we assumed 4% low income housing tax credits. The performance does yield a negative residual land value or a funding gap. And that ranges from $ to six million dollars. As I said earlier, the gap is really the thing that needs to be figured out in terms of how do you close it. It can be closed by a variety of sources, frankly federal, state, local. Examples of that include a city subsidy, the state multifamily housing program, county housing trust funds, etc. So you can see the ranges between 30 and 45 units of the different negative residual land values. Again in scenario one it's 4.9 million to 4.2 and scenario two is 5.1 to 4.5, scenario 357 to 5.3 million and the last is 6.1 to 4.5, scenario 357 to 5.3 million, and the last is 6.1 million to 6 million. These are high level estimates. I think it's important to also understand we don't have a concept plan per se, which I think is in a very important next step as well in terms of next steps, because I think layouts, architecture, steps because I think layouts, architecture, formats, different construction aspects of these projects or an affordable housing project will have a significant impact on cost, frankly, and rents and the underwriting of these various performance. And just so you can see, there's support of those different ranges that I just summarized per the various performance that we ran for the various scenarios. Again, 30 to 45 units. Sorry, 30 to 45 units and at the different income levels. So I think I'll stop there. There's it's a high level presentation and a discussion about the fact that we have a gap for affordable housing. That gap is not uncommon for many affordable housing projects today. Patty mentioned the process of surplus land act and getting it cleared from HCD, Cosmont Company's in the middle of numerous surplus land act processes, vetting affordable housing, frankly, and how affordable housing can be brought to fruition through a process that HCD is requiring of cities and publicly owned lands. And in this case, you have publicly owned lands. So at that point, I'll stop and turn it back to Patty. Thanks. So at the February 14th meeting of this year, Council also directed staff to retain a outreach specialist to develop a comprehensive public engagement plan or a PEP. That included robust community outreach and had an educational component on affordable housing and we were also directed to higher professional site designer to assist with conceptual designs and public engagement. So Kerns and West was retained to develop the public engagement plan and consultation with staff to ensure all stakeholders have an opportunity to participate. Kerns and West is proposing to reach a wide range of stakeholders, some are shown on this slide. And they will utilize a variety of engagement activities, including in-person and virtual techniques, such as focused discussion groups of diverse stakeholders, interactive design workshops, and an online input form that will be available throughout all public outreach activities in both English and Spanish. So the outreach activities would be conducted in three phases and will include a total of 16 meetings to ensure all stakeholders have the opportunity to be involved and participate in all three phases of community engagement. Education of affordable housing will be part of all three phases. So phase one is anticipated to begin in the fall of this year and consist of six focused discussion groups to share ideas and comments in a smaller environment. And this phase also includes one citywide meeting. After all the community input is received in phase one the design consultant would prepare very preliminary site design concepts based on the community input received and the SLA site requirements. Then the input from phase one would be presented in phase two. Phase two is anticipated to begin in the winner of next year and would include six focused discussion meetings, and the first design workshop. The design workshops provide more of an interactive, hands-on, creative opportunity for stakeholders to explore design options for the site and to receive more community input. So phase three is two commences in the spring of 2025, and the site designer would revise the conceptual site design based on the community input from phase two. Phase three also includes the second interactive design workshop and the public input received from phase three would then be incorporated to develop a final conceptual site plan and design that would then be presented to council for review and feedback. So to help facilitate community input throughout the robust outreach process in all phases, the public engagement plan recommends utilizing educational informational materials, including a project website, fact sheets, and an educational video on why affordable housing must be provided and who qualifies for affordable housing. Project updates, notifications and announcements would be disseminated through a variety of sources throughout all phases of community engagement to reach as many people as possible and those methods are listed on the slide. So this concludes staff's presentation and staff is requesting the Council provide feedback and direction on the financial feasibility analysis and the public engagement plan for 100% affordable housing project on the city owned L7 site. Staff and consultants from Kerns and West and Cosmont are available to answer questions. Okay thank you. I know we're all anxious to get to this but it's going to be along with 25 speakers it's going to be long and it's necessary that we take a quick break so we'll be back in 10 minutes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. And before we get started, again, or I should say I would like to start by expressing my appreciation for people turning out tonight. has a fairly abbreviated history of the site that there has actually been kind of an ongoing discussion about the site. It started well with the purchase, but then in about 2003, the Eki family, the Eki Ranch was looking to develop more housing and so there was this plan to swap the ten acres of the Eki Ranch property on Saxony to build a public workshard for the city and it would be swapped for this land that the city owned and so there was a map drawn using the existing zoning of our R1 and then the ballot measure failed. So that went nowhere. The next activity on this site that I know of was when we were updating the housing element starting in around 2015. This site showed up on the initial list of potential properties for up-zoning but it was eliminated fairly quickly. It showed up again in 2018 or so. 17 measure T failed in 2016. We went right back to trying to come up with a housing element update that would pass with the voters and this site was in the mix and it was knockdown dragout fight over whether it should be included and it was left off the inventory list for measure you and We are here today talking about the housing element the possibility of developing the site for affordable housing. And that's where the history picked up with this particular report. But the discussion around this parcel of land has been very lengthy and always a lot of passionate opinions on both sides. So with that, I'd like to ask if any of my colleagues have preliminary questions before we hear from the public. Nope. All right. 25 of you have signed up. We have normally a three, pardon me? 29. 29 now. We normally have a three minute opportunity to speak and I know that there are, you know, you want to express yourself and I want to give you the full three minutes if it takes three minutes to say what you want to say. But it would be great if it's possible to abbreviate your comments that you would do that. So with that, Madam Clerk, please call the speakers. First three speakers. John Van Cleef, Rachel White, and then Patty Stautamire with the time donation from Carol Maine. Carol, are you here? I'm here. Okay, thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the City Council. My name is John Van Cleef. I'm the CEO of Community Resource Center. I appreciate the city looking at and moving forward with affordable housing on L7. And I have to say I'm definitely here to advocate for option four because of its value to the city. The need for affordable housing in San Diego County and in our city is dire. San de Aguins are facing a housing crisis with nearly 50% of San Diego County residents spending more than 30% of their income on housing, which is well beyond the threshold for housing affordability. The burden is particularly heavy on low earning families who are often forced to make difficult decisions between paying for housing and other essentials such as food, healthcare, and education. By supporting 100% affordable housing for an option for Encinitas is taking a meaningful step to support those who are economically vulnerable in our communities. The affordable housing is with and walking distance of businesses, all of which create a positive economic impact with whose employees will qualify to live in these homes. Employees of Community Resource Center, smart and final, pet co, the Y, lazy acres, the businesses we frequent along the 101s, and the list of employees who would benefit from this housing goes on and on. Affordable housing is also an asset to the community, not a deficit. Studies have constantly shown that affordable housing developments create jobs both during and after the building. Residents of affordable housing have more disposable income in which to spend on local businesses was also stimulates the economy and growth. More over affordable housing has been linked to improved educational outcomes for children, better health for residents, and greater overall community stability. When families have access to stable, affordable homes, children are more likely to succeed in school, and parents can focus on their jobs and careers without the constant stress of housing insecurity. The benefits extend to the entire community creating more prosperous and harmonious environment for all. By investing in this housing now, we're investing in the future of incinitas, and we're ensuring that our city remains diverse, vibrant and welcoming to all. Thank you for your support of this. Hello Mayor, City Council members and residents of Incident and Incident. My name is Rachel White and I am 100% for this affordable housing. Most people who are going to be homeless in the next 30 days, 60 days are elderly women who only live on social security. They get married well. They scrub floors. They serve lunch meals. They raise kids to have their husbands leave them from a younger version. Their child was like me. Their foster students who left the system at 18 with no family. These are the students who are sleeping in their cars, going to school at night and during the day. Their veterans who served their country and came back with disabilities. These are not drug addicts. These are not near-do-els. They're people like me. I'm 51 years old. I make $75 to $80,000 a year. I'm a civil servant. I sit on four nonprofits. I mentor young girls whose families live in hotels who are going to school hoping to go to college. This housing you have to understand when you build a community, you're building on a foundation. If you sandblast the base level of the foundation which are the working poor, the elderly, the base level of the foundation, which are the working poor, the elderly, the orphans, the very people Christ-honest to care about. What did the building blocks go on? What is the foundation of a house going? What is the house going to stand on? It's going to fail. When you don't take care of the least of mine, you haven't taken care of me. I am begging you to build this. And I'm begging those who have all legitimate concerns, not to give into the fear mongering of poor people, of people who look like me. My grandmother scrubbed the floors for a judge in South Bend, Indiana, her whole life, and was able to buy a little tiny house. And because of my grandmother, we had shoes every day. Because of my grandmother, we had coats in the winter. People dropped their babies off our doorstep, because she knew, they knew, that she would feed them and provide a home for them and make sure that they were educated. She had a third grade education. Poor people are not our enemies. There are neighbors. Thank you. Next speaker is Patty Stautelmeyer, time donation from Carol Meane, followed by Luke Schaefer and then Jim O'Hara. Mayor, council, members. the mayor council members oh see do I have the the clicker here. OK, great thing. OK, what are underlying drivers of the San Diego in Incinitas housing crisis? Apartmentfinder.com. Short-term rentals in San Diego County. Now, apartmentfinder.com is a blackstone website. They have 2,788 short-term rentals in San Diego County. Now this is not all of the short-term rentals, but wow, maybe the biggest bulk. Who are the top property owners of short-term rentals in San Diego County? This is right off of Google. Blackstone offered short-term rentals, and corporate housing through its website, apartmentfinder.com. They have a significant presence in San Diego County with focus on purchasing and managing short-term rentals. Large-scale purchases also include affordable housing units in 2021. Oh, rental prices increases. The company has raised rents in some units between 43 to 64% in two years according to a report by the Blackstone tenants union. The people that got kicked out of their apartments. Blackstone presence in Encinitas, quite a few rentals here. Oh, here's one, the new one on the corner of Vulcan and LaCosta. Wow. A studio $4,500 to three bedrooms for $9,425. Now this is an advertised as a short-term rental, but these sure do seem like short-term rental prices. L7. If you do designate affordable, please do not designate, give to Blackstone or any of their subsidiaries, and make 30 to 50% affordable home ownership and designate the qualified low-income buyers that lost out previously in Incinitas. When the City of Incinitas designated the affordable home sales to Blackstone. Thus, the City of Incinitas can make a man's city's families. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Good evening, Mayor. Council. I'm here tonight just as a concern citizen. My name is Luke Schaefer. And we talked about some of these things here during Pyrae's point, but the fact of the matter is is There's already a thousand units going in on Quilgardons Right we read designated this property with very little transparency to us the people Right the accountability to that you guys up there sit is it is to us in the crowd If you could be more account. Currently we live again we live in Insane. It's one of the top cities in the world in my personal opinion. And so we're not sitting here talking about the worst problems in the world because these are some of the easiest problems just to be quite honest. But the fact of the matter is, this feels like a rush job to hurry up and get these. To hurry up and get these projects in before, I don't know what the time limit is, and the rush is, but we're putting people's lives at risk. We've gotten rid of vehicle lanes for bikes orforebikes or worse. We put the two together We're putting our kids are which is the predominantly that the number one people riding bikes I know that you ride your bike mr. Grans, but the fact is is it's mostly kids and the amount of teeth heads arms That have been smashed word or whatever that is in quell gardens is a two lane road at 40 miles an hour smashed work or whatever that is. In Quell Gardens is a two lane road at 40 miles an hour. Just. So recently I've been talking about sensibility, accountability and transparency sat. And right now the leadership is if this goes through, you're unsat. You're not thinking sensibly. You got 250 units at one end. You got another, we'll subtract the 250, you're like 700, 800 units at the south end. You're putting people into a choke point, causing more frustration. We have, again, we live in the best cities, we should be happy. We should be able to get to one, from one point to the other and not be frustrated. Drive from my house at the Northwest Port, Port of Amsterdam to the Southwest, southeast portion of where I grew up, should take eight minutes. Takes 25, 30, 40 minutes at some times. It's not a kind of thing. So long story short, it's sensibility, accountability, transparency, and we're not seeing it right now. So please be accountable to us, just like you are to the state. Yeah, me. And obey us, the residents, like you do the state, please. Thank you. Applause. Next speaker is Jim O'Hara, followed by Nancy Elliott and then Ellen Burr. I'm currently a candidate for City Council here at District 2. And this is my position on L7 or as it says in the General Plan, Co-Garden's Park. The challenging opposition to the L7 isn't a question of whether residents in Alabama and CS1 are affordable or low income housing. It's that we don't want this project in this location because it's flawed and it goes against the residents' wishes and the council's promise to the residents. The support is going to roll out a laundry list of out of town nonprofits, special interest groups, and resident lobbyists from several organizations. All of them have ulterior motives. I ask you to listen to the multitude of citizens who have practical and reasonable disputes with this project ranging from public safety, financing, and quality of life. All three of those issues are exactly that what we look for our public officials to place at the forefront of their decisions. Applause. Quill Gardens is slated to have over 1100 units built in a very close proximity and this addition will only add to that density. Additionally, Quill Gardens is about to undergo traffic calming measures. As we increase the number of occupants, drivers, and cyclists do to increase density of Quill Gardens, it puts a stress in our first the market. The market is about to undergo traffic calming measures. As we increase the number of occupants, drivers and cyclists, to increase density, I would quote gardens, it puts a stress in our first response to our likely to see an increase in call times and higher frequency of calls as a result. This will over stretch our resources. With projects requiring between 4 to 6 million dollars for this to finance this, plus the value of the land being around 15 million dollars. We're going to cost of $20 million. We're currently, we have a 1% sale tax upcoming on the ballot because the city is out of money. Where is the money going to come from? You heard it from Cosmont just now. If we imagine we find the money, the project checks no boxes. L7's layout won't allow the project to cover the required lot usage of surplus land, so we have to have a special permit put together for it. Due to Cal Gardens splitting a lot in the additional well-lands portion of the lot, we can't cover the required 80% that we normally would have to cover. Nor will this project move the needle and our known-net loss requirement. Additionally, it doesn't fit the HCD suggestion, which is good for us in some places, but not in others, that the affordable and lower income development should be spread throughout the city and non-concentrated areas. A good location would have more walkable location, it would be more walkable, public transportation, proximity freeways and jobs, as well as a central location near ironically parks. Check their aforementioned boxes with the state mandate. L7 simply does not match any of those criteria for a good location. Meanwhile, a park does not have to meet those criteria. Simply meaning the needs of a park means providing a safe, successful area for people to meet that saves us millions of dollars. There were better locations and options for this project. For example, the public were at slots or RCP and some of your associates have mentioned that and maybe mentioned we'll mention again. So why this location? I'm going to round this out here. Common sense tells us that spending money that you don't have on a project that could be better accomplished elsewhere. It will not accomplish the statement requirements is a bad decision. Lastly, thank you. Lastly, and maybe even more importantly, thank you, sir, parks are centerpieces and hubs for our neighbors in our city. Sure. Why that don't you take the opportunity to help people to be the heroes and get us a park back. Please. Thank you. Hello, my name is Nancy. I live in the insinious ranch. And it's very difficult at times you get onto quail gardens to get out in the morning or any other time. Because there's so much traffic from both ways, from locating a boulevard or from insinious boulevard. My opinion is now that you are proposing to waste a whole lot of money from our interesting residents on this project, from the tax dollars. Much money has been spent on organic farm school on Quill Gardens. We're very few if any of the students will be farmers. Now you're proposing to spend 4.5 to 5.7 million on an affordable housing project that will be restricted to low-income renters. And the proposed development is on property that the City Council previously designated to be developed for parks and recreation. Back to traffic. And this includes kids riding their bicycles, or if the affordable housing project goes through, and their kids or adults are walking on that road, that's going to be really dangerous. And it's going to slow down the traffic even more. I've been saying already that over 1,000 units planned on coil gardens from Insaneist Boulevard to Lecadye Boulevard. But why do you need to rush into proving another development on coil gardens before seeing the results of the increase in traffic that's going to be caused by all these 1,000 units? They're going to be that have been approved. So I strongly urge you to vote no into developing the L7 property for the Affordable Housing Project. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Ellen Burr to be followed by Dick Stern with Time Donation from Jean Kees. Jean, are you here? And Melissa Katania, thank you. Follow by Martin Carrera and then Elizabeth Carrera. Good evening, Council. I hope I'm not the only one that could appreciate the irony and hypocrisy of L7 being on the agenda tonight along with those wonderful accolades to the Parks and Rec Department. I'm not going to talk about all the back end stuff that should have been done has supposedly been done about whether it should can be there, whether it shouldn't be there, or the traffic, or even the performance that have been done sort of performate. I'm gonna go from the front end, the demand in, okay? That seems like the demand in was from a small group and people in this small group that knew that L7 existed. So L7 has dictated what can be done there. So we're supposed to cover 80% the only way to cover 80% was to come up with a multiple number of pods of houses so that you could come up with 30 or 45. So there's that. But the other thing that was a demand is that we actually do need affordable housing. So what has been proposed here is 15th, 3 bedroom, 15th, 2 bedroom, and 15th 15 one bedroom. If you look throughout San Diego County and the places and the housing element that have been proposed, you will find very, very few three bedroom units. The most you will find will be two bedroom units followed in about an equal amount, one bedroom units and occasionally three bedroom units and some studios. I don't think we have any SROs here yet. We probably need them. But if you look at what people have anecdotally said, and you hear it repeatedly as a mantra almost, is that many of our seniors community college students teachers versus sponsors and frontline service workers are unable to live in our city yet again, yet, yet, yet. Well, this will not have any impact on that for many reasons. Number one, we have approximately 2.5 people per unit. By law, a bedroom is two people. So when you have three bedrooms, you are talking six plus one. If you're going in to get an affordable unit, they will look at how many people you have in your family. So this is proposed to build way too many three bedroom units and probably not enough one bedroom units So we are trying to solve a problem that we don't have and It's it's not what people need or want in our community. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Honorable Mayor and Council Mudmars, my name is Dick Stern. I'm the President of the Incense and S. Orange Community Association. But I'm here tonight as a private citizen. I would like to, I had the chance I should say to read and study the City Staff Report on developing L7 for affordable housing and have a number of very serious concerns that I would like to share with you. In my opinion, the pro forma is woefully inadequate. Has anyone verified the assumptions that Cosmont used for construction and financing? $200 a square foot? Some of those assumptions are very questionable. I urge you to have other subject matter experts study and validate these assumptions. It fails to address the opportunity cost to citizens, events, and units in the real cost to the project. The pro forma does not include the single largest cost, the approximate $15 million in land value that the city council is giving away. This very important fact is only briefly mentioned in the feasibility study. This takes the project costs to $20 million or another way to look at it is it is $450,000 a unit at 45 units or $667,000 a unit at 30 units and those are just the preliminary costs Look at what happened with Pacific view and how the city continues to keep funding That project the expenses have mushroomed over time and if history repeats itself with public projects, we can all expect the same with this project. How's the city going to pay for this development? We the public will have to pay not only the upfront cost to subsidize the financial gaps identified in the report, but also any ongoing maintenance and future liabilities. We need to ensure that development continues to be maintained in good condition after initial construction. Those needs are not addressed in the study. The council has the fiduciary responsibility to safeguard the city finances and sure that funds are spent wisely and judiciously. That should be your top priority as council members. There is no denying that affordable housing is important, but the decision to move ahead with this project is fiscally irresponsible. You were in the process of asking voters in incinitus to approve a 1% increase in our local sales tax when the intent to use that for much needed infrastructure. I was a member of the infrastructure task force that spent a year studying infrastructure requirements for the city. We evaluated 113 projects, and while this project would not be classified as a basic infrastructure project, it was included in rank 79th. The conclusion from the ITF is that the needs for infrastructure in the city are enormous. And the residents want the city to focus on basic municipal services, better roads, drainage, and public safety improvements, including fire stations. You're sending mixed messages to voters and undermining your own efforts to pass this ballot message by prioritizing a project that is not infrastructure, and that no one needs or wants in this area. If you really want this ballot measure to pass, then you need to focus on infrastructure. By focusing on L7 and public learning that this is a $20 million project, that sends exactly the wrong message. And we're not even sure that this ballot measure will pass, even with all the right messaging. It would be a far more efficient use of capital to build a low income housing project on another smaller, less expensive piece of property. That would be good governance, fiduciary responsibility of taxpayers money. With this development, you're going to add to even more housing and traffic to an already overburdened quail gardens drive. And as mentioned, it's a narrow two-lane road where residents will see another thousand housing units along a one mile stretch of road. We will have more affordable housing on quail gardens drive than any other part of Encinitas representing 40% of the total based on the most recent housing element cycle. As mentioned earlier by another speaker, HCD guidelines call for affordable housing developments to be distributed across cities. But that guideline is clearly being ignored in Encinitas. We need a park for the people moving into these housing units, and L7 has already designated as a park, as a part of the city's general plan. Let's use it for that purpose. A recent statistic I read said that for every 100 renter occupied units, you can expect to have 50 children. So if you extrapolate that statistic to the housing, the states, no net loss requirements for incinatus. It does not move the needle. At this point, it also appears that the city's plan is going to be a new development. This project will have an imperceptibly small impact on the states's no-net loss requirements for incinatus. It does not move the needle. At this point, it also appears that the city is not even in danger of having a no-net loss requirement. In order for the State's Surplus Lands Act to be met, the city is required to use 80% of the land. How are you gonna use 80% of the land with an easement in the middle of the property for a road and sidewalks that you cannot build on? Furthermore, there are designated wetlands on the west side of the road as well as environmentally sensitive habitat areas. Also in reading for the plan for community engagement, it was noted that many of the adjoining H.O.A.'s and neighborhood's were not listed as organizations that should be contacted for feedback. Those include Quill Park, Quill Gardens Lane, and Kristen Cord. All those H.O.A.'s neighborhoods need to be included along with Inc. and Sanitis Ranch in one channel island. Those will all be heavily impacted by this proposed development. The most compelling issue is the use of 10 acres of prime, irreplaceable park land that represents a very inefficient use of city resources. The mayor and council need to stop pushing L7 as a affordable housing project. It isn't affordable. Residents of Encinitas certainly cannot afford it. Give us better roads, better drainage and improved safety, including fire stations. Give us the park that was designated in our general plan. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Martin Carrera, followed by Elizabeth Carrera, Glenn Johnson, and then Bob Kent. Hello, my name is Martin Carrera. And I came to Insanides Ranch nine years ago. I don't have to live here. I chose to live here. I chose this place for many reasons. I was transferred from a major multinational corporation to be a science advisor in LaHoya and I chose this place for many reasons. It had good highway access. I chose Insinides Ranch because of quill garden sort, particularly, it's a bucolic road. And remember me, Connecticut, some plates like that. We had the bot in Sinitis Ranch because of quail garden sort particularly. It's a bucolic road and let me connect it. Some plates like that. We had the botanical garden. We had the children playing at the school. We had a garden. There was a field full of flowers and bees for producing honey that I could get in my garden up. And then the golf course. In Sinitis Ranch, as I understood, when it was made, gave to the city that the trail was like part of becoming of earning to be a citizen. I asked myself, what are these other communities giving us? They're taking. And the take is on the basis of that we need to have people with low income here. The reasons we don't pay them enough, if we pay them enough, they could afford to live here. We're filling the city with all kinds of businesses that pay minimum wage or no very low wages. And one people to be in our midst, when they should be paying for good wages. Maybe we should be bringing in high tech companies in here instead. I don't know. But that was my feeling. I just wanted to talk to you. Not after 34 years of being a scientist, I don't want to talk about facts and numbers. I want to talk about feelings. The feeling is this is a wonderful place to live. I just retired. I like to play you know to go fishing and running. And all of these amenities that we have are going to be gone. And I don't know if I want to stay here or not, if this happens. Yeah. Yeah. Because going out on the 12 garnishes, it's going to be difficult. The other day, my wife and I almost got a T-bone by a car with no lights in the dark, coming in at 40 miles an hour. And I've seen children with bikes. It's very dangerous. It's even become worse. So I just wanted you to think of what's a given the take, because after all, that's what a community does. That's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. My name is Elizabeth Carrera and I live in Insta News Ranch and I just wanted to say that I do not want this project at L7 to be built at all. I'm looking at Dread right now at the at the project that's going up at the corner of Quail Gardens Drive in Lucadia and it's an enormous building project. And I'm just thinking about the enormous number of cars that that's going to add to Quail Gardens Drive already. I'm worried about that. And then there's that other approved project at this edia, other end of quail gardens drive it. When that is finished, that will worsen that traffic problem even further. And in my part of the instant is ranch where I live, there are only, there's only one way in and out of instant is rancher. And they both empty the empty, you can There's only one way in and out of Ancindus's Reshirn. They both empty, you can only go in and out onto Quail Gardens Drive. So I feel that with all this extra traffic that will inevitably result from all this development, it will be sort of trapped in our own neighborhood unless unless, because you know, Quail Gardens Drive is a two-lane road. I just cannot understand why all of this development has to be along this stretch of Quail Gardens Drive. It seems to me like somebody has a vendetta against Quail Gardens Drive or some kind of agenda there. This is the last remaining green space on Quail Gardens Drive or some kind of agenda there. This is the last remaining green space on Quail Gardens Drive. And I know that there's been talk, I mean, it was supposed to be a park and green space adds just so much life, it adds so much to the quality of life. And I think that green spaces are valuable in and of themselves. I think it'd be just really nice if we could just keep it as a park. And another thing I was wondering is how, you know, Quail Gardens drive when we moved here in 2015, was just kind of this kind of sleepy two lane road that had the the book Tannet Garden honored and had a plant nursery at one end and Betty's pie hole and it was just kind of a kind of a sleepy road and I just don't know understand how it can possibly accommodate all the traffic that's going to be flowing on it with all these building projects. And I certainly hope that this L7 will not be developed and it will be kept as a park. I understand the need for affordable housing, but I don't understand why it has to be built. In this particular space, when there's already so much development on Quail Garden stride. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Glen Johnson and he'll be followed by Bob Kent, Teresa Bochamp and then Bob Ayers. Teresa Bolshomp and then Bob Ayers. Okay, members of the Council Mayor, staff and the public. Thank you, Mayor, for giving us a bit of history. I'd like to give you a little more history. I moved to Encinitas in 1986, which was, this year the city was incorporated. I lived in the east side of Sidonia Street. The Ancinatus Ranch was put through. I moved to Quill Gardens Drive, and it was a dead end. Quill Gardens Drive was a dead end street at the time. I'm in a house on Christian Court. I came to Anson Edas because it was an open space area. There was nature. This is much better than a house in Los Angeles that I came from. Unfortunately, my wife, Sally Johnson, passed away about 17 months ago, and I'm left here in my house. But as I recall, when the incinitious ranch was subdivided, this site was not called L7. It was called Quill Gardens Park, and it was intended to be a park. For some reason, the city was never able to fund any development for the park. So it remains the Quill Garden weed badge right now. But it has potential still as being a park. With the increased density that's coming into the area, we need open space. And there's not enough open space even now. I think that park should remain open space and should be developed. In memory of my wife, Sally Johnson, I'd like to contribute $100,000 to developing this site as a park to be named after her. And I expect I have some neighbors who would contribute. We might want to leave the site in the title of the city and take a 20-year lease for it. I'll offer about $12 a year for a public park that would be funded by myself and anyone who cares to contribute. This is like trying to stop an airplane that's halfway down the runway. But let's stop it before we waste more money. Thank you, Glenn. Good evening, everyone. My name is Bob Ken. I'm an Incinitus resident and part of keys for homes. I support proceeding with the public engagement plan as the next step to build a 45-unit affordable community on L7 using the current existing residential zoning. I think this strikes the proper balance to build much needed affordable housing, a well-designed affordable community. I think there's some need the affordable housing. There's a lot of data around affordable housing these days. One key finding is renters in San Diego County need to earn $47 an hour to afford the average monthly asking where and it's actually more in Incinitas. While our seniors on a fixed income and so many of our workers who are commuting long distances are finding difficult living situations to stay here in the city they serve and Sanitas we know they earn a lot less than that. Also the city's displacement study reports that more than half of all of our renters are rent burdened, paying more than 30% of their income on housing. In this spirit list, try to create a financially feasible, affordable community with a focus on the very low and low income levels, sort of tilting probably towards the scenario for for people making $40, 50, maybe a little bit more $1000 a year. I don't believe that the private sector, and I think we have evidence of that so far, can solve our housing affordability challenges on its own. So I think with respect to financial feasibility, it's essential the city take a leadership role by dedicating city-owned property, so that additional funds can be potentially accessed at the county, state, and federal levels to close any financial gap. And there's a recent success story of how this can happen. A 100% affordable community was recently completed in San Diego using available San Diego County land for the first time ever, along with multiple funding sources, including federal, state and local funds. So there are successful real-life models to follow here. It is a long and lengthy process. I actually don't think anything about L7 has ever really been rushed. And I think we should continue to proceed here. In the meantime, please proceed with this important public engagement plan. And thank you for your commitment to addressing these difficult issues and trying to solve our housing affordability challenges. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Honorable Mayor and Council members, I support proceeding with this public engagement plan. Anson Edas has many talented solution oriented residents and city staff who together can create an innovative design of an affordable housing neighborhood well suited to this parcel of land. This development can meet one of the biggest priorities identified by the October 2016, Anson Edas California Parks, beaches, trails, and open space master plan, which was to connect existing trails and add wayfinding interpretive signage. The west side of this property is perfect for that. This study showed that this parcel is located in a high parks and recreation opportunity area. It is within easy walking distance to Indian head Canyon trails, Magdalena, Eki Park, Ensenitas Ranch Trails, and the golf course. The city's displacement study spotlights the urgency of building more affordable housing. Half of Ensenitas renters are paying over 30% of their monthly income on rent. $50 for our wage is required to afford market rate rents in Encinitas. This parcel is the only city-owned land available for a 100% affordable community. We know it's very clear now that the private sector developers alone will not provide enough affordable units to meet rena requirements. It has been a year since this concept was brought to the council over a year. Meanwhile, displacement of our residents continues to escalate. Housing opportunity matters and incinitas, I shutter to think of our city without residents who are community pillars, like our teachers, law enforcement, medical staff, our children raised here, our seniors, and make us stronger and more vibrant. Thank you all for your dedication. Thank you. Thank you all for your dedication. Thank you. Ares followed by Joshua Lazzerson, Maria Ardance, and then Christine Miller. Good evening. Bob Ares, Inc. Residents since 1963. Halzina's Ben and always will be a big issue in Inciniedous and in every growing coastal town, I am not an expert in housing. But I am something of an expert in being an Inciniedan. I can say with some expertise that there are loads and loads of us Incinans, who speak about housing, renal requirements, bonnest densities, and HCD rules, who have absolutely no idea what we're talking about. Again, I am one of them. However, as a self-declared expert in Sunedan, when it comes to housing, I am careful to consider who's being honest about the history and the need. Who's misleading us because they want to protect their view and avoid an extra five minutes in their car? Who is only trying to protect what we have and who is looking for ways to share what we have? I support moving this project forward. If it can be done, we don't know if it can. If it can be done, it will bring great pride to our city. But I fully recognize the obstacles, one, a $5 million or even a $10 million gap that the city does not have to fill. We need to find ways to fill it. Two, although this is a project, we would probably all want somewhere else. There is no somewhere else. Three, finally, of course, this is an election year. Deputy Mayor Blackwell, you've been a great city council person and you council is a very significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant and significant Every voter adores that. Mayor Cranes, you have every quality informed residents seek in a mayor. You record, you form relationships, you listen deeply, you know everyone. You work to educate Ed Sinidans rather than stoke their fears for political gain. You complied with all of the ethical rules to which you're vowed and you display none of the privileged tendencies other elected officials and candidates do. I support moving this forward and I've vowed my support to both of you regardless of your vote tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Joshua Lázerson. Joshua to be followed by Marie Ardance, Christine Miller and then Lois Sunrich. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council members. I'm speaking to this evening in support of the next actions to be taken to realize the development of a 100% affordable housing community in Encinitas, with particular reference to the finalization and execution of a public engagement plan to educate residents about the proposed development on L7 and to provide them opportunity to offer input and further engage in the process. for input and further engage in the process. The proposed development addresses a need that is starkly evident. That is the lack of housing stock for individuals and families whose incomes place them in or below those of the middle class. We are at a point where the double income affluent are those most likely to gain a toehold in the Encinitas housing market. I would describe the need to address this reality is urgent even as I understand that the process to develop an affordable community takes substantial time. For that reason I would ask you to expedite this process as possible prepare for and execute the public engagement plan and then if and as feasible move forward with the next steps that will support the development of this project, which I have no doubt. Not only will lead to construction of attractive structures, but also will build our community's character. Thank you very much. Thank you. I just want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say that I want to say This left and incinitis is being irresponsibly overdeveloped piece by piece. Everyone in the city knows that Quill Gardens Drive cannot support high density housing, and it never was in the plan to do so. The residents of this community continue to implore the council to exercise reason and forward thinking not to approve any more high density housing on this road, as we ask the council council to preserve the character and the safety of our community. Last month, I expressed my disappointment in the redesignation of L7, and I expressed my opposition to it being considered 400% affordable housing. In the past, before knowing L7 was actually designated parkland, I had suggested if building was going to be built on seven for it only to be used for especially adapted homes for veterans, I still think we need that type of housing in insinitas just not on L7. I strongly oppose any project like that that cannot be fully and responsibly funded by a foundation such as homes for our troops or tunnel for towers who can guarantee that those units are solely used for veterans. Otherwise we went run into the same devastating disaster that Carl's bat is now facing. Last month I brought up to this council that crime ridden 100% affordable housing project of Windsor Point and Carl's bat. As a reminder, because Carl's bat did not have the necessary funds to find out 100% affordable housing projects that were approved, the developer affirmed housing, they took money from the county's No Place Like Home fund. So for those of you who are not familiar with No Place Like Home, it has a really nice name, but the funding is actually designated to house the seriously mentally ill who are experiencing homelessness severely mentally ill in a residential area with no consideration, no vote, no advance disclosure to the surrounding communities as depulated by accepting those funds By the county. So in an article in the coast news, Mayor Keith Blackburn and Carl's bad regrets his decision to vote for his 100% affordable housing project. He accepted responsibility for the project's schedule shift, sorry, from a housing project with good intentions, of course, to a problem that some believe is worth closing down. He stated somehow through the months and the years, and morphed into something that had I known it was going to be, I would have absolutely said no. So now my job's to ensure to protect the quality of the life of life for the residents who are now adversely affected by this project. Good intentions, bad outcomes, because it wasn't funded properly. This community will not allow such a disaster to be built here. Let's learn from Carl's bads and mistake of not having proper funding for developing and also for ongoing cost. Any project like this needs to be responsibly and fully funded regardless of where it's placed in the city. But L7's not that location. This road can't support any more abuse. Certainly not the monstrosity of quail meadows and not development on L7. L7 should be restored as parkland. Based on data from the Urban Institute, even with low income housing tax credits, building even 20% of affordable housing is rarely possible in the United States, let alone a high income place like Encinitas, even with those tax credits. So how will the council finance the debt to build such a project, right? Are you going to quietly accept money from no place like home and shatter the safety and the character of our community? How are you going to responsibly guarantee that we can even afford this type of project when we have so many truly urgent infrastructure part projects that the city can't afford? You have a responsibility to the citizens to spend our money appropriately. 100% affordable housing cannot pay for itself. And you also have a responsibility to this community and this city to preserve the character and its safety. This is something we all know is currently slipping away year after year. So based on Cosmon's financial analysis for this proposed 100% affordable housing project, the financing gap for the four different scenarios is anywhere between 4.9 and 6.1 million. Based on the city's past projects and budget forefalls, shortfalls, I'm sorry, but that is, that deficit is really understated. So what are you going, so where are you going to get the money to pay for this? What stipulations would be tied to the grants that will negatively impact this community? Are you going to pass the accountability buck by planning the developer for accepting the grant money from funds such as no place like home instead of protecting our community. According to a recent analysis by Patrick McAnany, who's the director of development and at-summer set development company who actually specializes in building and preserving affordable and mixed income housing, he says the shortage of affordable housing is not the result of speculation or greed. It's a function of the cost of building new affordable housing. Affordable apartments are not getting built because the cost to build them is greater than the funding source available. While the precise funding shortfall per unit varies over time, primarily due to construction costs, interest rates, rents, which all fluctuate based on macro-canomics. The overall challenge remains affordable housing cannot pay for itself. So how does the City Council plan to fill the financing gap? We won't accept that disaster like Windsor Point just so you can check off the feel good box and say we did affordable housing. As I recall someone even on this council recently said, if we just do this we won't have to worry about it anymore. Thanks but what about the actual residents who have to deal with this disastrous consequence of that type of short-term thinking no offense? I would question this also aside from the fact that I think you would get it from the grants which could honestly score a server. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, sorry. Is this really even affordable housing that we'd be getting built? Who would benefit from the development? Is it those of you that you say you wanna help? If you're not getting the funding from a grant like no place like home, where are you getting it from? Yet again, another real estate investment trust? Okay, as someone who actually has holdings in a real estate development trust. Yay, great awesome. You're potentially putting money in my pocket. But you're not helping the people that you're claiming to benefit because a real estate investment trust is not going to finance a high risk project for free. This is high risk. It's not going to be for free. So the cost of development is going to go up. So the six million dollar deficit in funding is understated. And it's got to cost the city drastically more. So the city council needs to be honest. Can you safely, responsibly, financially build this project from revenue streams that guarantee you preserve the character and the safety of this community? The answer is no. You cannot. This council needs to see some deceptive with this ridiculous and inequitable over development on Quail Garden's drive. The state housing mandate says the housing element must be equity-believe distributed throughout the city, not over 40% on a 1.5 mile stretch of a two-lane country road. Also, California State Law AB 2345 states that the housing density bonus law for new housing, which includes a 15% low income housing, is allowed as long as the development does not negatively affect the public health, safety, or the environment. It will continue to remind you of this again and again. This area was not built to support high density housing. You're not preserving the character or the safety of this community when you slap on high density projects. Stop doing a disservice to your community. Your job as elected officials or appointed ones is to serve your community, not special interests groups, no one else. And that wasn't a dig. I'm just saying. So like I mentioned, and that wasn't a dig, that's just fact. Anyway, like I mentioned in open comments based on the national recreation of parks and associations, we're woefully deficient in parkland. Also kind of question that NOA being really strong in the holiday season. I am gonna say that. I still have more time, so I'm gonna keep talking. I am going to say that. I still have more time, so I'm going to keep talking. Um, and I've lost my place. What else am I going to say? Anyway, I think you guys got the point. It's not the right project. It's not the right place. The overdevelopment in Quill Gardens needs to stop. We can't support it. It's not financial. The responsibility is not safe. We need our parkland. There we go. Yay. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, I'm Loa Sennridge. Can you imagine it? Can you imagine planning it, creating it, an affordable housing community that reflects the hometown values of incinitas? It is a well designed and it fits beautifully and organically right into the neighborhood. It's an inspiration actually. People wanting to live in insinitists stop by as they do in Karlsbad in the community housing works successfully funded affordable housing community there. To ask at the office, if perhaps they can buy into this lovely housing complex, it has trails, it has trees, it has a beautiful garden, it has a playground for kids, it has space for families to hang out together in the community room and host poplux. And you helped create it. You sponsored the workshops that brought together the community to envision it, to dream about a small model, visionary community that highlights the DNA of our town's pioneers. Your decision to become a leader to your city now allows you to help develop and innovative workshops that can become master think tanks for a unique one-of-a-kind affordable community from the ground up. It is here that you can leave your imprint by helping bring residents and experts together to conceive of a state-of-the-art legacy for Ancinetus. Have you ever walked the grounds of the affordable community in Carlsbad? I have. It was a Sunday. They held an open house. I got a cup of coffee and spent them morning in their courtyard with my newspaper. We were right next to one of the many communal laundromats throughout the complex. I watched his children played with each other on the spacious lawns while mothers did their laundry together. It was inspiring. Yes, after being there, I was even more sorrowful when we lost our opportunity to have that kind of affordable community life here in Incinitas where I could live. Your leadership could now make that happen. You could see the opportunity. You could be the guiding force to help us collaboratively come together and design our very own affordable community. I can already see it. And for decades to come it could be your name associated with it. I hope you heed the call. Thank you. Next speaker is Christine Miller. Christine Miller will be filed by Janet and Neil Stan and then Stephanie Wheeler. Hi, I'm going to actually keep it short because a lot of people have brought up some of the financial traffic concerns and livability of that community. I am a long-term resident of Ensenitas way over 30 years and my house, I mean, was built in that area far before Quail Gardens Road came in. And I know about affordability in insinities, because my neighbor lived in a trailer at Brown's house, Jeff Brown, and the mom, and they would live there, and they would barbecue out there. And guess what, not one neighbor came, get them out of here, We don't like poor people. All right, so my point here is, I cannot stand it anymore, the marketing, the stuff that is coming out of here, that people that live in Ansonitas do not like poor people, knock it off, end it. You don't know my background. Number two, we're gonna talk about finance here, and we're just gonna cut real quick. All of you are smart. I think you have a law degree, Ellison. And so you know that deep analysis is very important. The analysis that's been brought forward to us is preliminary. In the building industry, we call that budget and planning. So you can get a similar idea of what the project is going to cost. But there's one problem. They need to get a cap rate of 5%. But the analysis leaves out the cost of the land as a land use natural resource environmental scientist when I moved here. One of the things I want to tell you is that land has value. Whether you put low income housing on it, whether you put a park, I have so many ideas on how we can meet some of the needs of diversity. One, you can kill this and start completely over again and be transparent to the people of Ensenitas and allow us to look at the maps and the land use and figure out what might be a good spot to put your low income housing. So before any of you say that I look like this, I don't get it. My granddaughter was born here. I have two generations of LLC students. She drives a mescondito to go work for your in and out burger. So I get it. So I'm asking everybody to let's step back, let's open up a workshop, let's not come in with the preconceived notion that we don't like people, we don't like poor people, we don't know what it's like to be around homeless, because that's BS. All right, and let's step back, take a look, bring it to your taxpayer, say we have this need, Tony, just be transparent. There's good people here. Because I'm not against low income housing, but I'm against it being right there. Because these, I was there when that was a rural area. That's why I moved there. I came from Northern California working in the woods, literally, to here. And so to see it get like this is very sad. So can we just step back and kill this, open it up to the community. Thank you. I'm Janet Neal and I live on Quail Gardens Drive. I think I'm the only one to speak tonight and I'm right in the middle just north of the Heritage Museum and the traffic is unbearable. There are times that we sit at the end of the driveway waiting to pull out eight, nine minutes. I've had somebody pulling out of my driveway a to pull out eight, nine minutes. I've had somebody pulling out of my driveway a friend getting an accident. Car is driving very fast along there. And I think that it was always, it was bought to be parkland. It should go back to be a park. And I'm not opposed to affordable housing, but that is certainly not the area for it. That's valuable property. The lot across the street from us sold two and a half years ago, one acre for $2 million. There was nothing, everything was tear down. So it's a valuable piece of land, and it should not be, and we are just two dents in that area. I also wanna bring up that they keep talking about fireman, policemen, teachers. There's no place for them to live in our community. But if there's low income housing, is there a guarantee that they will be able to live in those places? I don't think so. We haven't seen that happen so far. So I'm totally sorry. Next speaker is Stephanie Wheeler, followed by Rachel Graves, Scott Peterson, and then Oliver Pratt. Hello, I'm Stephanie Wheeler. I live in one channel island half of our community enters and exits off Quail Gardens, the other half on Saxony. So we're affected by the new new new apartments going on Saxony and on Quail Gardens. So this is important to our community that you understand that this is just viscally irresponsible. It's not safe. And I hope like plenty of people as a before your intelligent people, and they'll make the right decision here to make this a park, build up our community, build up the good things about insinitas and call it a day, kill it, please. Just make it a park. Let's move on. Hi, I'm Rachel Graves. First, I want to give you props for how quickly you came up with that $126,000 to pay for Tony's street paving for comparison. A special election cost about $150,000. Ailer's accepted from this conversation. Three of you were appointed by the others of you because you didn't think we had $150,000 to carry out democracy in insinitas. We couldn't find $150,000 when you were handpicked Kelly. We couldn't find $150,000 when you were handpicked Joy. And we couldn't find $150, dollars when you were handpicked to joy and we couldn't find a hundred and fifty thousand dollars when you were handpicked Allison So props to that anyway onto the agenda topic. I know this won't be a popular opinion, but It is insulting to say residents here don't understand low-income housing most of us who live here experienced many years of low-income living Some of us more than others, myself included, I was in college for 12 years. I'll let you know what it looked like. I went to school, I worked two jobs, I lived with numerous roommates, we didn't live at the beach, and we didn't live in new homes. Applause The L7 property was purchased as parkland. The property is called Quail Gardens Park. Look at all the people who live in this neighborhood begging you to save Quail Gardens Park. You're already infamous for stealing agriculture land here. Don't be infamous for stealing park land or open space from your city. It is not yours to steal. It belongs to Insanedans. The Quail Gardens corridor has already been disproportionately impacted by housing projects and traffic. You are treating this neighborhood unfairly. Admittedly, I don't live in that neighborhood. Insanedans do not and should not support inequitable treatment of their neighbors. And we shouldn't accept it from our staff or our council. Your duty is to protect the city. You have no way of knowing whether or not this project is safe and with over a thousand units still undeveloped on the corridor. It's likely to need more, be, sorry, it will likely need more basic safety functions for this neighborhood. Finally, last month you voted to put a 1% sales tax increase on our November ballot because you have failed to provide necessary infrastructure to your citizens with your given budget. Simply put, you miss meant. You run out of money and you want us to make up for your shortcomings over the next 10 years. If last month you were short $154 million, how on earth do you justify burdening the citizens with many millions of additional dollars with a project that violates the general plan's intention for this property? Shame on you. I will end with this. I loved Ross Ritter's acknowledgement tonight. He said, quote, families who play together, stay together. In recognition of Parks, Recreation, and Cultural Arts Month, please vote no on the progression of L7 development, save Quill Gardens Park. Good evening. My name is Scott Peterson. This is the second time I'm speaking on this topic. I raised capital for commercial estate and multi-family. I believe in affordable housing and multi-family housing. That makes me like one, I can't be a hypocrite, two, it makes me an expert. Quick comment on the Cosmote study, one land does have value. I've heard 15 million, certainly a dollar a year, there is an alternative cost for that that has to be included in this. Two is the $200 a square foot of cost. I just renewed my insurance of my home. It was $550 per square foot and replacement cost, not $200. Alternatively, too, a market cap rate today has very much changed in the last six to 12 months. It's about 6.5% and not 5.5%. I think you will find that these numbers will continue to change and not in the favor of this site. More importantly, to bring up is what are our alternative solutions. I've heard from the folks here that there's no other alternative solutions. I'm here to tell you that that's wrong. We spent a lot of time on a development plan for this city. That development plan was vetted, studied, and with today's state housing bonuses, we can get up to 20% of affordable units in most of these projects. My guess is that these thousand units on our street have anywhere from 100 to 200 affordable housing units already on the street. We've done our part. But what I'm here to tell you is that we have a great housing plan. Keep pushing housing in the city and keep pushing affordable housing in those projects. That costs us nothing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Applause. Next speaker is Oliver Pratt, followed by Jessica Pratt with the time donation from Christine Booman. It's Christine here. Thank you. Follow by Michael Rossi. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. My name is Oliver Bratt and I'm 10 years old and drink 5th grade in receiving bilingual education at Capriola Mench. I'm a 6th generation Californian born North County just like my mom and grandfather. In my yard at my house in the Ns. Ranch, my mom discovered a huge four foot snake. She liked snakes, so you know what she did? She grabbed it, she caught it with her bare hands, and together we decided to relocate it. The first place that came to mind was the big, beautiful, open field by my house. There are no buildings and plenty of mice, a perfect home for a snake. I recently learned about the changes that might be happening on the open land. I am very disappointed that people are trying to build more houses, especially in addition to all the other new developments. I think we should leave the land untouched. Local wildlife, including that snake, needs a place to live. We should not be building houses on every available piece of land in this. We should not be building houses on every available piece of land. This is unsnitist, not New York City. More housing equals more cars. I love riding my bicycle to my family garden plot at the insurgent community garden and my grandparents house right off of Quiro Gardens Drive. Craming more cars on the road is going to make it more dangerous for kids on their bikes. Even after the speed bumps and stop signs are put in place. After all the apartments are built, I'm still afraid I won't be safe to ride my bike anymore. Plus my drive to school and awful traffic is about to be as about to get significantly longer. But if things must be made, if things must be changed, then why not build a park? We need more parks, not more houses. I want somewhere safe to play with my friends. Maybe even the dog park too. I have a dog named Rosie. Parks are where people enjoy and gather and connect. Where we meet new people and enjoy the beautiful city together. Please either leave the L7 land untouched or build a park for our community, not more houses. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Good job, Ali. Good evening, Mayor and Council members. My name is Jessica Mahoney Pratt and I'm a proud multi-generational, incognitoist local and resident of Ensenius Ranch. I'm also the mom to Oliver Pratt and unofficial snake wrangler. First, may I kindly ask everyone in this room who supports this development of a park rather than more apartments on the L7 plot to please stand? Thank you. This is a powerful testament to what the people of Encinitas truly want. The people who also live in this particular area. Allow me to share some important facts. Over the past year in our Encinitas Ranch community, more than a dozen beloved dogs have fallen prey to coyotes and their own backyards. Dogs are being eaten by coyotes in their backyards. This is fact. The natural habitats for our native animals are rapidly disappearing, replaced by concrete apartment complexes and an alarming rate. Our local wildlife is struggling to survive. Currently there are plans to build 1,042 homes and apartments within a one mile radius of Quill Gardens drive. According to California Housing Statistics, this will bring approximately 521 additional children to our neighborhood. Yes, that's over 500 children. As it stands, last Verde's Park, located off Quill Gardens Drive, is the only park in the area. This little park in Encinitas city-owned space was built in 2007 thanks to the efforts of four Encinitas ranch mothers who fundraise and manage the product for over a year with very little help from the City of Encinitas. A large portion of the funds required to build that part came from the pockets of local homeowners, businesses, and the Optimus Club of Encinitas, which unfortunately is no longer active. The city of Encinitas initially refused to fund the project, later contributing a portion of the total cost reallocated from leftover funds from a cell phone tower project, and only under the condition that the least expensive test market play structure was purchased. I sure hope that company didn't decide to manufacture what my kids lovingly called the death slide for any other parks. Last Verde's park was built because the city failed us and the people wanted it so badly that they managed the project and paid for a large portion of it themselves. Side note, it's now 17 years old and it's in great native repairs while it has been largely ignored by the city. L7 is already designated as a park and the city's general plan. Why are you giving away 10 acres of land worth roughly 15 million dollars to allow for developers to continue to participate in this audacious cash grab in the worst possible location. In 2007, our city leaders failed to fulfill their civic duty to support our family-focused growing community by building a proper park, we cannot afford to repeat that mistake. Overloading our pocket of the community with over a thousand new apartments and homes, while neglecting the needs and desires of the existing and future residents is grossly irresponsible. Put the additional needed affordable housing somewhere else. L7 should be a park, not more houses. Do what's right. Thank you. Thank you. Next speakers, Michael Rossi, brand, Aberg, Drew Lyon. Brandt, Aberg, Drew, Lion. Good evening. This is my first appearance here before you all. I've been an Encinitas Ranch citizen for approximately three years. I moved my family, wife and three children here from Texas when I finished training six years ago. We chose Insanita's ranch upon the suggestion of a good friend of mine who's here with me tonight who lives in the community as well. For the purpose of a few simple facts, the safety of the community, the parks, the recreation, the ease of walking and the trails and the safety, first and foremost. I'm here simply to not advocate for myself, the potential depreciation of property value that projects like this can bring. None of that matters to me as much as, or even the gross over expenditure that will occur with this as we all know. I'm here to advocate for guys like Oliver, from my son Gavin, from my daughter Gia, from my daughter Liv. This street, coil guards you've heard it tonight, from a physician who used to do trauma surgery and has seen countless kids hit in accidents on bikes, walking car accidents, it's one of the more unsafe streets in all of North County. And Tony, you say you ride your bike and you're worried about some bumps on a road on Hygia. I understand that. That's a problem. How about worrying about children getting hit on their e-bikes on a weekly basis in the summers? We heard all the time in Incinitas. I see it on the neighborhood of App. My dog was taken out of her backyard by code. He's totally agree with it. Our Yorkie was killed nine months ago. Out of our own backyard pool area in Incinitas Ranch. We are building too many homes and areas that Encinitas was supposed to be known for, which is parks, recreation, free space for community members to congregate. It is no question that everybody deserves to have a place to live in this country. I'm a huge advocate of that. I've gone to El Salvador, I've done mission trips, fixing club, lifting pallets on kids. I've donated countless hours of time and money. I'd be willing to put my money where my mouth is and also donate money to make sure that this is, personal money to make sure this is developed into a park. So the children that we have like Oliver and then the countless children that will come in with this community project at the end of Encinitas Boulevard and Quail Gardens as well as all the traffic that's added with the Fox Point Farms being brought in on the Acadia have access to free space to congregate and feel safe. My children do not feel safe. I will not let my children drive their bike on Quail Gardens Drive because of the amount of traffic there is right now. And it is true. If I don't leave before 7.30am, I'm not getting out to get to work within 30-40 minutes. And that's not about that. Those are first world problems. Well, I'm concerned about our children, this is a real safety issue. Tony, I invite you to ride your bike with me. 730 in the morning to noon, any day of the week, down that main street, and you tell me that it makes sense to add more homes to a space that is completely congested by all the communities that feed into one country road that was developed there for the purpose of families to live and enjoy life. It makes no sense. So again, this is not a has versus have-nots. This is an idea of common sense. It's not the right space. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor City Council, I think you guys have heard a lot tonight about a lot of repetition, but I'm just going to kind of keep it going for consistency. And I grew up in an incidentous mind entire life. I moved into the incidentous ranch in 2014 with my wife, we have an eight month old, and we literally with the new developments that have been coming into play over the last couple years talked about moving out and just getting out of NSTS entirely. Just with the plans, it didn't seem like they aligned with the community. But that being said, we love the area. We love our neighbors, we love our friends, our family that live here. So we made the commitment to stay. But looking at what's going on in that immediate epicenter and impact is out with quail gardens is it's concerning. You know I'm in the commercial role state sector so I'm not naive to thinking that raw land is just going to sit there. Obviously you guys need to do something with it but it was already slated for parks. Looking at the project of adding congestion and like with everybody else's said about parking safety for children riding bikes you know the traffic alone really is concerning today It's just going to get significantly worse But it's clear that location that area needs to remain a park as it's designated significantly deficient in that and then more so for my Professional side of the commercial real estate side there is I mountain of work that needs to be done if this analysis is serious For that location just hearing the performance or put, I mean in my professional opinion, all of it was inadequate. From a cost perspective, the $200 square foot at a 5% or 5% cap rate, you're the 100 basis points wide from that. I mean, there was one element of that aside from leaving a free land value that was contemplated for this. And we've talked about infrastructure needs for the community that we're addressing, but this is all just going to come in to cost ultimately to the city, which I'll go back to the community here. And from a tax perspective, I'm not as concerned about that personally, but it's really going back to the kids, to the community, and what our park and what our city is looking like at the end of the day. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Drew Lyon. Did he just, okay. Next speaker is Natalie Satune, Amy Rapetti, followed by June Hansberger. Hi, Natalie Satune. This is some audio. I'm not going to give them any ideas, but when I played this out with lawyers who specialize in this issue because we've been working on this all summer, there are very simple laws that could be in place that would allow that to happen. Well, but that's the tough part is that we haven't been working on this all summer. You may have been, but let's bring it. Who's telling us that? I don't see it. And this is land that the city owns, and we need to follow a process that engages the community. And I certainly support 100% affordable project. And so, you know, the question is whether this red herring of surplus land act. And we were told that this isn't a, this is a declaration that isn't, doesn't have an expiration date on it, that if we go with some due diligence first as outlined in the cause more contract that we approved we can come back and on step four go back to the declaration that if we need that. So so we have had information from the very beginning that has been misrepresented. This is audio from the 11-8 SLA vote in conversion, where this item was almost tabled. This expression came after it was suggested that this be tabled. Councilman Hensy reported that she had worked with an attorney, not a attorney presioc, and that pending legislation would be introduced prior to 2024, which would negatively impact or possibly penalize the city if this perhaps was tabled. However, it's interesting to note that this vote was converting the L7 personal into SLA was made on November 8, subsequent to legislature closing for the 2023 year. So indeed pending legislation was non-existent. There was no legislation. There was nothing. Attorney Presioc confirmed that. However, Allison and Joy, you fell for this, both of you, and yet here we are. Moving forward, it would be advantageous for both of you to know the date that legislative session convenes so your colleagues don't snow you on these items and cause these issues for your constituents. Ironically, my CPRA revealed no communications with Kelly on any attorney with this matter. We don't know where this came from. This summer attorney, we can't find any evidence of it. I oppose any development based on this misrepresentation. Thank you. I'm Amy Ruppetti. I've lived in Encinitas since 2001. I'm 9th generation born in Southern California. My kids are 10th. And I have the pleasure of being all of her neighbor. Needless to say, I'm invested in my town and in my state. This project is very concerning why the rush. My main concern is congestion and safety, as it's been repeated over and over and over and over, I hope you're getting the point. Safety for our neighborhood in the sense that there's so much development going on now, Fox Point Farms and Quail Meadows Project. We haven't even adjusted yet to the current projects that are already happening. They aren't even finished. It's a narrow, one lane road going each direction. If there was a disaster like a fire or a need to evacuate, where do we go? How do we get out? With thousands of new residents already coming in before this. Just because there's some empty land doesn't mean you squeeze something in. We were promised a park. We deserve a park. I thought Incinitas was supposed to be an environmentally friendly town. Aren't we going green? We are on our way to being a concrete jungle. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, Hansberger. Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. I'm just here to offer my support of the development of the Coil Gardens property as 100% affordable community. I think it would be a bonus to the community and we have so many members that cannot find affordable housing and this is an opportunity to remedy that. I realize every part of Encinitas is being impacted by housing all over town. And this again, housing is coming and it is important that we try to build housing that can accommodate all of our community members, not just the wealthiest of our community. So that's all. Thank you for looking into this. I appreciate your thoughtful consideration. Thank you. And then that does conclude speakers. And then I have one, Karen Koblitz, who is registering support, but chooses not to speak. And then all the following are registering opposition, but do not wish to speak. So if you could just let me know that you're present. Mary Salvado. This Mary is still here. Julie Mala. Joseph Mala. Matt Hedman. Julie Hedman. Stephen Clark. Tony Koolick. Zach Hapner. Thank you. Mary Stern. Thank you. Jean Keeves. Melissa Katania. Katie Fuller. Do you see Kate Fuller? Nicole Grenada. Annette Greg. Matthew Delaney, Theresa looks like Delaney or Dealing. How about Drew, on the Drew line? Thank you. Okay, thank you. A couple of things before we get into deliberations, I want to just point out, first of all, I thank you all for coming and speaking. Before we get into deliberations, I want to just point out, first of all, I thank you all for coming and speaking. There is clearly passion on this issue, on both sides of it. And it's clear that it's something that's very important to all of you in the comments reflected that. The one thing, a couple things that came up that I would like to clarify. One is that this notion that we haven't been transparent about this. You know, here's the presentation we got in April of 2021 on affordable housing. And Cosmont did this study and as part of this presentation we looked at L7 and every other city owned parcel and learned at that meeting the pros and cons for each and the challenges that each would present. And this is our third meeting discussion, discussing L7, and it is the most, the best attended meeting, and that doesn't surprise me at all. It's becoming a bit more of an issue. It's political season as well, so there's going to be a lot of dialogue about this. The other thing is that several of the speakers suggested that this is not the right location for high-density development, and I agree wholeheartedly. And I want you to know that the project that's being proposed is at the current zoning of RR1. So the number of units that will be on this land are actually quite, they're not dense at all. And frankly, for me, that's one of the reasons why, it seems not a great idea if we're taking our obligations as fiduciary, you know, looking out for taxpayer resources. So there is that. So those two very important things. Just to be clear, we've been talking about this for quite some time. This is not rushed. And number two, it's not a high density project that we're proposing. With that council member Alliance. Thank you Mayor Cranes. And thanks for that summary. So there were a lot of good comments today as there always are on both sides of the affordable housing question. And I want to start out by kind of looking to my council members and saying, I want to refocus what we're here for tonight and a couple of the speakers mentioned it so I'm going to call them out because what the agenda item is tonight is not a question about whether we want to assess affordable housing on L7. That came before us a year ago and we voted to move forward on assessing affordable housing on L7 and that is not what's in front of us today. So I do want to start with that and I think it was good that some of the speakers actually called that out. And another speaker also said, why don't we just workshop this? Let's just open it up to a workshop. That is what's on the agenda tonight. What's on the agenda tonight is to give staff feedback and direction on both the feasibility analysis and the public engagement plan. And the public engagement plan is the workshop. And that's what I think we're also desperate to have. We need to sit down and go, what do we think about this? Let's talk about it in a venue that's more collaborative than what we have to deal with here in this public venue. And so we agree with you. That's the next step. And that's what's on our agenda tonight. not from the perspective of we're voting on that. We've agreed that that's that's the right step. We're only here to give our staff direction on what they're presenting. Is it a good way forward? Is it a good public engagement plan? Does City Council support that next step of moving to a public workshop and is it and is this the right outline for how to do that plan and then give comments on the feasibility analysis. So I do want to focus on that by complimenting some of you for calling that out, with that I do wanna say a couple things and then I'll stand down for the time being. I'm anxious to get all the public engagement put on paper with a facilitator. Many, this outline here talks about many public outreach opportunities in many different ways, over quite a long period of time. I have, I have a lot of experience with public outreach and public engagement as many people in the audience probably also do. I would like to keep my comments on what is being presented before us for our input to staff tonight and offer some constructive feedback to staff on what's presented. I would like to offer staff the feedback that I think we could expand our stakeholders' groups. And I think we can expand the description of who's engaged in the workshops and who's outreach to and let's challenge ourselves to integrate some of the comments we heard tonight about others who need to be who need to also be engaged. I'm complimentary of the approach because it hits many different ways of people giving input, whether it's in person or whether it's digital or whether it's in pop-up displays that you go around to different events and get public input. There's multiple involvement opportunities and I think this topic deserves that level of input and engagement and good ideas coming forward. And so I'm leaning in the direction of being very favorable to the phase one phase two and phase three of the public engagement process, which includes phase one as project background and community ideas. And there's a schedule associated with that that's quite extensive. And then the next phase is Exploring Design Elements. And there's also a schedule associated with that. And the third phase is draft design concepts. So this is all in the process of what are your ideas? How do we move forward in getting your ideas, workshopping this? And then as far as the staff direction I'd like to give on the financing, the feasibility, I agree with a lot of people who said, it's not quite there yet. But I'm wondering if I could get staff's feedback on or our consultant's feedback on we're not I don't think we're that far along in our thought process on understanding is this a project. And so maybe is that why we haven't developed the feasibility analysis to the fine point that it needs to be. So many questions on that today and I think they're warranted. But how are we going to go about getting to the heart of that and when's the right time to do that? Thank you, Councilmember Lyne. So, when we retained COSMOT, it was to do an order of magnitude study because we didn't have a specific project that will greatly impact the cost. So we gave them direction for council's direction to implement council's directions to do 100% affordable with varying incomes, but knowing that we didn't have site specific details. So like, can mentioned earlier, the construction type, the layout, architectural site amenities, all those things factor into the cost. So that was an order of magnitude. And we look forward to community input from some of our experts that have, you know, experience in that. And also want to note that the economics has changed quite a bit since this was done in the fall of last year. So, you know, that's a factor as well. Okay. What I do want to leave you with also then is when the term city subsidy was used and you touched on this in your presentation right up front. I would like to just call that out as not the right language or it could be interpreted in many ways because we don't, it's just my view and I'm only one of several people and I have to hear more from the public but I don't see this being the financial aspects of this, being a burden on our city, but I need to learn more. So I don't know that city subsidy is where we're at yet. We don't know that. And I would probably lean in the direction of saying, this probably we need to see how we can use other people's money without strings of tie tied to be able to achieve something and we don't even know what that something is yet. So I think it's premature but I want us to be careful with the language we use because I don't think we're declaring that the city is going to subsidize this. That's correct. This report didn't intend to analyze all the various sources of funding because what was available back then may not even be available now and there may be additional sources that may be available when the partner would be developed and so we would look at all levels of funding's local state federal as well as grant opportunities. And I'll just conclude by saying there's no action to be taken on this tonight. It's feedback to our staff on the workshop and on the feasibility study. And so with that I'll stand down. Thank you and she used a term here that I just want to make sure everybody's aware. Other people's money means Grant money federal money. It's a euphemism. It's a euphemism. No, it's not your money It's other other people's money that comes from other tax sources, so But in the meantime Deputy Mayor Blackwell Deputy Mayor Blackwell. Excuse me, I think it's I'm gonna take some time here and address it. So appreciate your attention. I do want to thank thank you councilmember lions you asked a bunch of the questions I was gonna ask that helpful so I'm gonna go into my comments. I Thank the staff for putting this together for cosmic for doing some of the very preliminary work. We know it's not a true pro forma on a specific project, but it was good to see those numbers. Thanks to the public speakers and for all those who sent in comments. Thanks all of her for hanging in there to quarter to 10 with us so far. So I talk to a lot of people heading into this meeting. I represent District 1, this property known as L7 is in District 1. And there are people who like this project. And there are people who don't like this project. I think you heard both tonight and probably more tonight that didn't, don't like the project. But that's not necessarily representative of the 16,000 people that live in District 1. So one thing though that all of the people I talked to have in common is they agree we need more affordable housing in this city. 47 dollars an hour, I think that was Bob Kent who talked about that's what you need for to make in order to pay the average rent in San Diego County. That's a high wage and we're not talking about beachfront property, we're just talking about living in San Diego County. So having more affordable housing is very, very important to me as I sit up here and represent District One. And more affordable housing helps us maintain economic diversity and helps us maintain a compliant housing element. In fact, we do have a small buffer before no net loss is triggered and that would require us to find other housing element sites or fall out of compliance. And every unit of affordable housing matters to keep us in compliance. Private developers aren't going to solve that problem. I think you heard a couple people mention that tonight. They're not going to solve the problem of giving us enough affordable housing. So I do think it's important that the city puts some skin in the game, that the city help lead the way. It's an area where we actually can have local control. The city's goal of 100% affordable project on city own land is a great idea. I'd love to see it happen. The problem is, for those living early, is that L7 is the only immediately feasible parcel, and that parcels on Quail Garden's Drive, which is going to get a lot of housing development. So I also recognize we have some new opportunities with state housing laws that have passed recently, including AB 2011 and SB6. And I think they can help us in terms of mixed use housing projects with affordable units. So tonight we have three options. We can give staff guidance and keep the ball rolling on public engagement around L7. We can do absolutely nothing and make our affordable housing issue worse. Or we can maybe take a different path and I'm going to talk about that. So after very careful consideration, my preference is that we don't get too singularly focused on L7. But instead work in parallel to identify a project that would net at least 45 affordable units, maybe ideally more. And such a project might not be on city-owned land, but it would need to have a healthy percentage of affordable units and the city's partnership and involvement in the project. So tonight I'd like to offer up an actual motion for the filing. I know that's not being asked for today and our city attorney will scold me if I'm going over over the line. But my motion is as follows. I would like to move forward on the public engagement work in phase one, starting immediately with the public education on affordable housing laws. It's not about what affordable housing is, it's about what that really means and what's required of the city. Also to get some perspective on the need for it. Number two, I would make a motion to convene affordable housing task force. We've done that in the past in the city. We did that with the housing element, and I would suggest it concludes the mayor, myself, and qualified residents from each district that explore other options for city-led affordable housing development, netting at least 45, but preferably more affordable units. Number three, I direct the task force to develop a timeline and a work plan and try to move as quickly as possible. And number four, I direct staff to put an agenda item on our city council agenda in roughly six months to review the progress of the task force and revisit whether we are ready to complete the remainder of the public engagement work on all affordable housing options. This motion ensures we don't lose traction on affordable housing. And it ensures the city explores all alternatives of accomplishing the school. So I will leave it up to my colleagues to contribute their comments, but right now that's the motion on the table. I would second for discussion. Council member Aillers. Yeah, so this will be what I think it's our fourth meeting on this. I voted three times no on going forward with all seven. But what I'd like to do is talk about, or actually we're doing two things. Now the education is one issue. The other thing is to talk about this study and really understand how it works and what it's got. And I think we pretty much agree with what's been said that it does not include the value of the land. The land is clearly worth, I usually say $15 million. It's probably anywhere from 15 to 20 million who knows. But quite sizable when you compare it to the subsidy. And so I want to talk a little bit about the subsidy because I think in our housing element that we adopted the sixth cycle, there's a figure in there that looks at the average subsidy and that's their term, not mine. Being 271,000 was that fifth cycle or sixth cycle? Does anybody remember on staff? I'd have to go back and check. I don't have the time. Whether it was four or five years ago, 271,000 was the subsidy. If we asked our legal expert, Barbara Kouts, she usually said 400,000 to 500,000 was the typical required subsidy per unit for a lower income. In other words, the difference between the reduced rent over the life of the project, if you look at the present value of that stream, it'll be about almost half a million dollars. So how we got to a subsidy here, when I go through the numbers here of 6,000,000, 4 to 6 million divided by the depends what they use just the lower cost. Let's take the case where all 45 and you're down in the 100 and some odd $1,000 subsidy for that cost and I don't understand. So I would immediately, it was Scott Peterson and I think Dick Stern immediately questioned the discount rate, the discount, sorry, market rate and that discount rate, market rate cap, or the cap rate I'm sorry, being about a point low. And also the cost per square foot for the construction seemed low to me. And I think we already know, I think we've already admitted that the, that sub city that's calculated here is, is months old, if not a year old, and that it's going to be much higher. So, so suddenly our, four to six million could be much higher. I would argue it's probably double that. And it's, it's high enough that. And it's high enough that it's pretty significant. We don't have six extra million lying around in capital that we can throw at this. Secondarily, it does completely ignore the value of the property that is 9.5 acres. So I want to go down a path here. And I want to go, well, what if we tried building on a one acre lot somewhere? And we had our 30 with density bonus for 45 units. One acre, I put 45 units. Would your cost estimate per unit be much different Ken? I'm trying to get an understanding of for a multi-family unit, thousand square feet average per unit, mixed just like you got here. Where would the numbers come out? They would they come out four to six million, assuming everything's the same, or would they be lower and cheaper? Cost would be much higher. The assumption on $200 a square foot is for a wood-framed low-density product. The costs have done nothing but gone up. And so comparatively speaking, what would a multi-family be? $3 to $400 a square foot. And so can you remember these are direct construction costs. So let's also keep in mind the total cost that's in these performers is over $400 a square foot total without land. When you include land and the land was appraised from $4 to $8 million. I don't know where 15 comes from but I'm just telling you that's the appraisal. $48 million. So whenever that appraisal was done, when you add land value back in at $5 million, you're probably at $530 a square foot. Yeah, I think part of the problem is, when you look at land in this area, trying to find a parkside of 10 acres, where the heck would you find that? It's irreplaceable, is really. So I think I could argue that the land costs could easily go up. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna use a quick analogy or many years ago, our city declared surplus land in a leave and hind for a fire station. We find ourselves right now looking for land in the same exact vicinity and what a mistake that was 20 years ago. And I feel like we're doing the same mistake right now. So, you know, and I still question the cost. Your 2X seems ridiculous, especially in light of the insurance replacement costs, building costs for low density houses like my own, like every one of the houses most of these people live in are in the 400 350 400 dollar range So I don't see why it's so different obviously got a lot more exterior walls a lot more roof When you put a multi-family up All my experience on planning commission was it is not that much more expensive that I don't I guess I don't buy it so For a multitude of reasons, I am against this. And I'm not going to belabor them. But the park land argument, I mean, I personally looked at the minutes from the original meeting of the Belivos in 98. It was bought with park funds, park use. It's contrary to the general plan. We've lost sight of our general plan. We need to get back to that. It's contrary to the purpose. It is, it's also about priorities. I look at it and go, what is our priority? I understand the need for affordable housing. I really do. But we are right now taking away a park and putting a park at a lower priority than affordable housing. And for quite frankly a paltry number of affordable units. I mean if you took scenario one it's 18 affordable units. It's 40% affordable, not 100% affordable, like we keep hearing. The only scenario that is 100% affordable, of course, is the most expensive, and it only came out at 6 million unless you flip it and make it more very low income than an adds another 2 million and goes somewhere near 8 million. I could go on for all the reasons I gave last time. I won't belabor it, but I'm voting no. I continue to think this is a completely mistake. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, lots of important things were brought up tonight. And the resounding message I heard over and over again was this high density along Quill Gardens Drive that's already slated as part of our housing element Seems to be the biggest problem that we're all facing and to me when you look back through the history of our housing element Struggles and our ability to comply with what is legally required from us as a city which is to pride of affordable housing what is legally required from us as a city, which is to provide affordable housing. All of these over development projects from the private market are a result of that failure for us to be able to plan proactively. So where I see us right now is in a moment of time where we can be proactive. And we can say yes, we want a low density development that's consistent with the surrounding homes. Yes, we want to have a park on the west side of this property. Yes, we want to have trail connections. Yes, we want to be able to decide who lives here and the scenario that we are planning through. So I think because we're not under the duress of a known at loss declaration, it's easy for us to say, oh, let's push this responsibility down the road a little ways. Well, wait, we'll slow walk it and when that time comes and we are under the duress of facing a known at loss circumstance, then we'll make that decision. And if that's what feels best to us as a council and we only have maybe the two votes needed tonight to accelerate the process that staff is put before us tonight. Then I see that. I see my colleague Blackwell's motion as a good compromise. I think where that puts us is it still allows us to go forward with an aspect of planning which would get us into a discussion phase which does get us into figuring out who some of our partners might be for the funding gap that we are going to face undoubtedly. And it allows us to vision in a way that we can make progress without fully committing to this. So just, and I echo what my colleague, Council Member, Lion Springs up is that having already gone through the Surplus Lands Act, we will be in a position of being able to list this site as one of the options that we have when we are facing no net loss. So I think the value of keeping this site open for consideration for 45 units and I will say that I do support option 4 which gets us the most amount of affordable units that will help us to count towards arena. It is the most expensive option but with the 45 units and inclusion of the JADUs instead of just the 30 base units. It's actually a cheaper project than if we go for 30 units. So that's my goal is to go for the fourth. I don't know if anybody else up here wants to weigh in on that part tonight. But basically, your strife, those neighbors that live on Quilkartons Drive, is because we've outsourced the responsibility of planning affordable housing to the private developers, that's why we've lost control in a lot of these sites. So it would pain me so much to be in a position of seeing more high density development along your corridor and that's why I'm advocating for low-density at 45 units. As many of us know, I will be leaving this role in December and it will be up to a different person that makes some really hard decisions. And I don't envy that person because it's not gonna get easier. And I think that that's the main thing that I've learned from my five and a half years serving in this role is that sometimes you have to be the least popular person in the room making really hard decisions to save neighborhoods from being overdeveloped in the case that we have in your situation. So I do support the motion my colleague has made and I think those are all the comments that I needed to make. Thank you I appreciate that and I really want to applaud the deputy mayor for her motion. I am reminded of the difficult situation we found ourselves in in early 2017 when measure T had failed on the ballot in November and the lawsuits that we were under for not having a compliant housing element were reinvigorated because the settlement agreement we had made with the plaintiffs in those cases included the passage of a housing element to update our general plan in accordance with the law. And so we had special meetings, we had community members come speak. Council member Aillers was one of the speakers. We talked a lot about what we needed to do in order to get a housing element that we passed a vote. And the mayor at the time, Mayor Blake's mayor, established a subcommittee and put in place a task force that included council member ailers and Kurt Grossclose and we spent I think 20 plus meetings talking about new laws and going through the requirements. We went up to Sacramento and meant with HCD. It was an educational opportunity that many people in the community took advantage of. Some obviously were, you know, not interested in all that walkishness. So, but ultimately I think that what Deputy Mayor Blackwell has proposed would really be very useful because since we started this process focusing on L7, that the staff has proposed would really be very useful because since we started this process focusing on L7, we've had some new laws passed and I think we would all benefit the community included by having a conversation and taking a deep dive into these new laws and see if there's a way to achieve 45 plus affordable units in some other way than developing this site. That doesn't necessarily mean this site is going to go away as a potential housing site. This is one of the things that we have seen year over year is that that site is one way that the city could participate more robustly in the development of affordable housing. And I know that I fought what was being proposed in 2017 slash 18 when there was the potential for two, I think it was 320 units as an affordable housing project on that site. And it was about 30% affordable. And it was just too much given the other sites that were on our housing element. So I had committed at that point in opposition to adding the site to the housing element that the Completion of the projects that are on both ends of Quail Garden is drive it was important to get an assessment of what that was going to do to That stretch of road so I think that what has been proposed is the perfect solution here When we did the task force in 2017 But what has been proposed is the perfect solution here. When we did the task force in 2017, it was, we picked, we handpicked. We didn't take applications. That would be the one difference that I would propose that we accept applications from residents in each district. We were successful with that approach when it came to the infrastructure task force, and I think we should do that again. So I am going to support the motion. Frankly, I seconded it and look forward to establishing that task force. Council member lines. Did I see our city manager wanting to speak? I just wanted to ask a quick question. You do have a prior direction to staff to engage a site designer. And so I didn't mean to interrupt you, Council Member Lines. I just wanna make sure that we give staff direction of all that encompasses. Okay. I think your motion is to not go into site design at this point. Right, that's correct. Phase one only. Correct. Council Member Lines. I'm going to draw this out a little bit longer because I really agree with Mayor Cran's what you said just now, which is by dedicating L7 to affordable housing at low density with no rezoning, no opportunity for it to be a high density housing element, doing exactly what we're planning here, that protects it. That protects it from being part of a future housing element and from being a higher density in the future. It has been targeted for a long time for that and I think we all know that history. I want to feel like, and I want you to feel like we have the local control to develop this property and the most context sensitive, the most appropriate lace gently on the land approach. And if we can do that by moving forward with evaluating what affordable housing would look like on this property and incorporating all the other things that the community wants, which is a park, then I think that's still a valid and meaningful way forward. And I worry a little bit about intentionally delaying that because that delay throws into question some things that make the site more vulnerable as a higher density site in the future. And I can anticipate we might hit our no-no net loss and be forced by the housing, by the HCD to reconsider this property for higher density. And I don't wanna end up in that situation. So in order to convince, in order to really be serious about that, yeah, this is affordable housing option, we're going to assess it like we said we're going to. That kind of marks places our flag and it says, we're still doing this. We're doing this. We're going to consider it for affordable housing which protects it from becoming a high density development. I am a firm believer that the private sector cannot solve our affordable housing problem and what we end up doing by by allowing the housing elements and not making our choices locally is we hand this opportunity to developers to do massive amounts of market rate housing just to get the smallest little bit amount of affordable housing. So that is not the best solution. You've heard other people say that and I don't want L7 to go that direction. And I feel really strongly enough about it that I really would not want to lose our attraction here on L7 by saying, OK, we're just going to put it on pause now. Because I think it's valid. And I think it doesn't mean we're going to, I mean, I totally agree with a portion of what Deputy Mayor Blackwell said, and I was hoping I was understanding her motion correctly and after I just got that clarification, I don't think I was, but I heard you say parallel tracks. And by parallel tracks, I thought the best way forward just might be to keep L7 on this track, but supplement and augment it with a broader discussion across the whole community now that we can update it with new laws and new information to reassess where are our other affordable housing opportunities. And I'm totally on board with that. I think that's a brilliant idea. But I really am reluctant to support it if it also then pauses how we move forward on L7. Thank you and the comments, your comments I would like to ask the city attorney if he knows of any situation where the housing and community development department has forced high density up zone requirements on a jurisdiction on on their land versus and any other land use decision that might have come from the need to address no net loss. Thank you Mr. Mayor if you're discussing about land that's actually owned by a municipality or a district, I'm not aware of any such action by HDD. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I'm not aware of it. Okay, thank you. Yeah, and I think that's important that we, as we're making these decisions that we do so with a clearer understanding of, you know, just the, it may seem that their powers are unlimited, but they are limited. Council Member A. There's. Yeah, I wanted to clarification on the motion. They move forward with education. I guess first question is how much money is that of the contract we talked about previously? How much money is we putting out there for that? We would be billed based on the work that was completed, so I don't have exact number of cost per phase, but we would just whatever time is required to implement council's motion is what it would be. If we have a ball bar. But wasn't that the component of the previous discussion, the education component that we're talking about and wasn't that the contract? I thought we had a lump number for that. Correct. There is a lump number of 99,900 but we just get billed based on the work that is completed. OK, understood, but roughly 99K, and I would prefer that if we're going to put this site design on hold, every time I hear the educate the public, I'm like, wow, I feel like a reeducation campaign. I think everybody else does, too, I see the nodding in the audience. I just don't see that as the answer here. This is not a lack of understanding of what what low income housing. It is not as somebody said so beautifully. This is not a fear of poor people. This is not. And by the way, the people that are getting into these when you look at 60% of AMI, they're not poor people. They are working people with one or two jobs. And yeah, I would prefer, and it offered as a friendly emotion and at least I'll try, that we also put the moving forward with the education, so that we don't waste $100,000. And I offer that as a friendly amendment, if you're interested. Well, I don't think it would take $100,000 to do some basic education. What was defined in phase one as education was informing participants about affordable housing, including its definition, the state of California affordable housing development requirements, and the SLA, the city housing element, the arena, and local needs for affordable housing. I mean, I think what we continue to hear is this is a gap. There's something circulating saying we were going to put a homeless shelter on L7 on social media. I mean, that's ludicrous, that's not even, that isn't even, so I disagree. I think there is some value in doing some education. I don't think it's going to take 99,000. I think it's probably going to be much less than 20,000. So I would like to get started on that because I think that would benefit the community. So okay, then, I take that, that's a no. And so the bottom line is, I don't agree with the education either. I think that's again wasting our money. We could actually put it towards use like paving at which is why I supported today. I'm during the budget cycle I advocated for more money for pavement. So this is a good way to get more money for paying in that previous item. But so I'll be voting no. So what did you call what we went through with our 20 plus meetings on the housing element task force? Wasn't that a form of education learning about the new laws, learning what we could do, what, whether we could, you know, up zone out instead of up, and you know, there's a lot of things that go into housing types and low income of affordable housing. I didn't call it education, but that was a task course. In the end, when it got back in front of council, it went right back to a replicant of measure T that lost and like that measure you lost too, and I opposed it too. Sure, I learned about it, but I did it by reading the documents. And I think putting the information on social media, it's going to represent one side, and then there's probably going to have to be people that are opposed to what we're doing. Doing the same thing on social media on the other side. If people wanted to know about low income, they would have known it by now, after 20 some meetings of housing element after two failed ballot measures after, it said I could go on, and I won't belabor it at this late hour. So. Yeah, you could go on, but the truth is that you participated in that, and you understood exactly the commitments that we had under the law. And I will say that I got a good education out of that. I have no problem admitting that I learned a lot. And I had a conversation with Dan Vaughn a while ago. And he was talking about housing types and affordable, what level of affordability and the mix of housing that we should focus on. And what I took away from that conversation is that there is. In fact, a lot more to learn about affordable housing and especially when it comes to investing city resources in it. And so you can call it whatever you want, but I think offering the opportunity for the community to engage is important and the end result is going to be that we're going to have more people that have a better understanding of our obligations under the law. So I appreciate what Deputy Mayor Blackwell has proposed. And again, I support it wholeheartedly. Councilmember Lions. the way that the state laws are going and I know where we continue to be surprised by what comes forward as far as providing developers with opportunities to build identity on what we used to think we're protected lands. So, you know, schools, school property are now in play. There's a lot of properties that are in play. I feel that it's up to us to help protect our lands. And so I do feel very strongly about L7 moving forward. So what I'd like to do first is propose a substitute motion to see if there is some support. And that is, I love the idea about the task force. The task force being formed and moving forward. But I think that by its very nature, it is going to take more time and we'll delay our thinking on L7. So I'd like to move to accept that portion of Deputy Mayor's proposal without changing our direction that's presented today in our report where we're giving input to our staff. So without changing this direction. However, before we move any further on L7, I would think what would be appropriate is to have a time when the two activities merge where we then look at vending of L7 and see, we're assessing it. Is it, is it even viable? And then we're also looking at broader properties around the whole city. And by the time we get through phase two or phase three, I think the two activities could merge. And then there's a very important decision point to be made. But then we have enough information. What's happening elsewhere in the city and where are other opportunities? And how does that weigh against the opportunity at L7? So my subject of motion is slightly different, trying to capture the value and benefit of what's being brought forward in the community concerns. I want to go to workshops. I want to see we're going to learn so much. There's so much that came forward today. So many questions. I'm just so anxious to move into the all three faces of this work that's here. So I'll put that forward. I'll go ahead and second the motion for sake of discussion. Councilmember Hensy. So the motion is to move forward with the task force as Deputy Mayor Blackwell recommended to study, to look into other properties for affordable housing. I think that's the most concise way to say it. But to not take any explicit action today on what's before us because it doesn't need action, it is just presented today for input to city staff. Councillor Miller, hands it. I'll defer Deputy Mayor. Deputy Mayor Blackwell. I think that's an interesting proposal but my concern would be that we get too far down the path with L7 before a task force can get up and running and looking. I'm very supportive of Phase 1. I think that's a manageable cost. It comes out of our affordable housing fund, which is already funded, and it gets us some traction. But I think I would really like to see the, you know, affordable housing task force up and running and make some progress and then maybe merge them to understand the next step. So that's my preference. I wish I could support that substitute motion. I think I'd like to stick with my current motion. Maybe we can figure out a compromise here. Well, so then we have a motion, a substitute motion, and we have a second of that unless you're withdrawing your second or do you want to have a vote? Councilor Miralers. I want to make sure I understand the difference between the two. What's in, what's out on each one? So we talked about moving forward to education, task force, something about a timeline on Deputy Mayor Blackwells, and then no site design and the timeline I think included six months or something. Yeah, and I don't know, Patty, if you could put up the slide or show the phases of the, there we go. Oh, it disappeared. There we go. So I think we can get started on some of the public education, which is in that first line, right? And get some input from the public. I think that would be helpful. So I think the task force in parallel could get up and running and thinking about other sites. And I think that's when you come back together. I don't know if it's in six months. I think that's a nice check-in point, at least figure out the progress of the task force. And so we don't like lose track of this for a year or so but I don't want to lose all momentum on figuring out affordable housing here in Ancinitas. So can I just know site design was another part of your grade I mean I think site design is in the subsequent phases if I'm reading that right. Okay let me if if I could cancel my trailers, I'm sorry jumping around, but I understand I think Deputy Mayor Blackwell where you're going and with my I would accept a friendly amendment that also included in phase two, I see in phase two is where we get nearby residents input. Now, as far as exploring design elements, I just feel like that's valuable to merge some of the elements of phase one and phase two. So I'll ask you for your consideration on that. Well, I would point out that we're going to have members of the task force from every city district. So it's going to be a citywide conversation right out of the gate. So some of what you see in detail there is going to be adjusted. But the key is that there are total of seven meetings that this phase one involves. And would those be publicly noticed meetings like the housing element task question? We do. Yeah, just like. OK. OK, so we have a motion in a second. A substitute motion in a second. So actually, I have two, don't we? We have a substitute and a substitute. Yeah, no. We don't. We didn't go anywhere. So you're OK. Got it. Council member Hensy? Yeah We have a substitute and a substitute. Yeah, no, no. We don't. They didn't go anywhere. So you're OK. Got it. Councilmember Hensy? Yeah. So everything that Councilmember Alliance has said, I support. I think that she's right on in that if we can get through design, we've actually honored what the community has asked of us tonight, which is give us the chance to give the input. Let us participate in these meetings. We should be the ones that get to determine what's here. If it's a park on the west side of its trail connections, if it's a community garden at this site, I think that that is worth our time and our expenditure. The reason why I think it's important to have this continue forward is that if we're going to be having a task force to do a bigger effort that's a citywide task force, we only have so many staff at our city that are going to be managing both of these projects. And so I see the result of what the schedule in front of us being pushed out even further than what it already is. So what I want to set us up for is success and the success being that should we go looking around for more sites, should we incentivize other opportunities within private developments, should we pick up more ADU construction than we thought was possible. Whatever these wonderful ideas are, if we come up short, we're going to need to have this moved forward in our back pocket with the community's input for a known at loss scenario in which within six months of triggering that we have to have had a vote and we have to have had H2D approval. I don't see it as that difficult to, you know, conduct this task force activity. The design of these, as they've been described, is pretty simple. The map that we had had the layout of the parcels. And I assume we're gonna do a similar type mapping. It's a pretty straightforward. So I don't think it's, if at the end of the task force effort, there is a decision to fall back on the use of L7. And I don't think we've lost that much time. So I won't be supporting the substitute motion. Deputy Mayor Blackwell. Yes, thank you. I feel like if we, yeah, I'd like to stay at what I proposed. Let's work on phase one. Let's come back together. We can understand the progress made in the task force as well. And we can make the decision about that next step. It's laid out in these phases for a reason and I just feel like getting through one would keep some momentum but also Getting that task force launched is going to take some resource and I think I don't want to dilute that by having too much Piled into phase one so I hope you can respect that. I'm not opposed to how this is laid out. I think this is a really good plan, but I think we need to get through phase one and really understand where we are and then assess how to get to the next step. Ready to vote. So I vote this. What you're voting on now is the substitute motion, which was Council Member Nguyen's seconded by Council Member Hienzie to move forward with a task force to explore other sites. Is that correct? And the substitute motion included continuing with site design at L7. Well, it just didn't pull this action, this item today into play. It just continued. It would just be continuing without any action on this item. Claire, clarification right there. And moving forward with the task force to explore other sites. Correct. We're back in the original motion. We're on the substance. No, we have a vote on the substance motion, which her substance motion included not losing momentum on L7 and I just said vote and clear it. Yes. Great. And the motion fails with Council Member Aillers, Deputy Blackwell and Mayor Cran's voting no. So that means we fall back to the original motion and Deputy Mayor Blackwell has it in writing out of the open. We're going to read my notes. That would be great. So we are going to commence with phase one of the public engagement plan and start as fast as we can with more public education on affordable housing laws and how else it's described in the staff report. Second is convene an affordable housing task force that would consist of the mayor, myself and qualified residents from each district that explores other options for city-led affordable housing development, netting at least, that's a long one, right? Netting at least 45 but preferably more affordable units. Third is directing the task force to develop a timeline and work plan and try to move as quickly as possible and then for direct staff to place an agenda item on the City Council agenda in six months to review the progress of the task force and revisit whether we're ready to move to the next phase of the public engagement plan on all affordable housing options. So I think that's clear, right? Yes, that's what I said. Okay. And that motion does carry with councilmember Aillard's voting note. Okay, thank you all for your input. We are moving on. Does anybody need a break? Yes, we need a five minute break. Mr. Mayor, before you leave, I just want to make sure while the staff is still here. Because we are now looking at a task force and community education meetings, I would just ask the council's latitude to, it would be the same consultant that we may play around with the number of meetings so that force to see the results. 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Good evening again Mayor, Council members, members of public. Here tonight with the evaluation for the two intersection controls as Santa Fe drive and Chris drive and at the OLSF and Parkwood Lane. Two separate backgrounds we measure two items together to have one resolution for Santa Fe and Chris. As you are aware we have a CIP project along Santa Fe. The original 30% design included around about a disintersection. In February, we got approval with a revised design. In May, earlier this year, Council approved the construction plans for Santa Fe East. And also we were directed for evaluating and always stop control at this intersection. We do have requests from public regarding a improved crossing opportunity there at that intersection and possibly enhancing the crossing there. In June we took this always top evaluation to our mobility and traffic safety commission, provided the findings to the commission. Commission at that point did support the always top control at this intersection. However, they expressed strong preference in replacing this with a quick build roundabout similar to what we are pursuing at on Quilgarden's Drive, which we reflected that preference in our staff report for Council. This is the area of the intersection as you can see. We do have a little bit of slope on the east side, relatively low visibility. However, when we calculated the side distance, we do have proper stopping side distance. Obviously turning left is not very convenient due to this limited visibility. And a always sub-control control can not only benefit the left-turn movement can also benefit our crossing at this intersection and provide a more convenient and obviously a safer crossing situation. We do have a proposal for an always stop control here. We can see the area. I'm not going to go into the detail of the design later at night. It's a very simple standard straightforward design. Stop sign legends, stop sign. Stop sign a head signage. This is for Santa Fe and Christ. For the second one, Parkwood and Eolas. You are aware of the history of Eolas. We had multiple meetings about this, a lot of community interest in lowering a speed making Eolas safer for pedestrian activities, for active transportation. We received requests from public, City Council received requests from public. City council received requests from public. We have always followed and always stopped control. We had meetings with the residents. It was warranted to decide distance. There's limited side distance there. And also complications for turning movements at this intersection at the park with it is a low volume road. However, the geometry does allow us to implement always top control at this intersection. And it would serve us other purposes with a slowing down traffic on the Ulysses and providing better turn movements. As you can see, the geometry here, we have both sides, curvatures and limited side distance to turn out of parkwood lane. And this is the proposed design for stop signs at this intersection and stop ahead signage. Again, it's standard design. And with that, I'm open to questions. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have public speakers? Should we hear from public speakers first? Yes, please. We have Glen Johnson, Alice Fern and Traffic Safety Commission. We evaluated these and we are in favor of these things. I'd like to, regarding Santa Fe and Crest, this is near the high school San Diego Academy. And I'd like to see that four-way stop installed before the start of school in the fall. We talked to also about a roundabout and decided that four ways stop now is better than around about in two years. So I just wanna let you know this. Thank you. Hello, Elise Fernobock. I am in favor of the stop signs on EOLS and Parkwood. And I want to really address to keep everyone focused on exactly what we're looking for here. And that is traffic safety. This is a safety issue. Not only is there an issue of car speeding, we know this for a fact. We've done a study. We know that 55% of the 57,000 cars that went down a yolus were speeding. Many of them and we're all reasonable here. They weren't speeding at 26 miles per hour in a 25 mile power. They're speeding at a rate which makes pedestrians, people pushing their babies, people walking their dogs, feel unsafe. And especially around this corner that you saw is when you're driving down there, even for me who drives a speed limit, there's a blind corner there. You know there's a blind corner there because there's a mirror stuck up on the side. The only way pedestrians can ensure that the driver can actually see them, we have no sidewalks, is to actually walk in the middle of the street. And if you ever drive down the road, that road, Nigolash, you'll see pedestrians walking down the middle of the street around that corner to try to make sure that people that they know are flying around sometimes in speeds of excess of, you know, 40 to 50 miles per hour that they can see them and break in time. So I really appreciate the design of this. It allows for a stop and a driver that might feel like they are in a huge, huge rush to get to play group or whatever activity that they're speeding down the road to take a moment of pause. Look for traffic coming from their left but also gives them time to assess the road in front of them right on the top of the hill where they usually gain speed. I don't want us to get distracted by other issues such as environmental controls or anything along the lines of this. We're talking about the safety of human beings and a risk of a loss of life. We know the sight lines are within concern for regulation. And we also know that if we are really concerned about the environment here, then we wouldn't even be talking about reducing the speed from 25 to 20. We would be talking about increasing it between 45 and 55. So I want to keep everyone in line with where we're going. I want to bring back to 55% of people speeding at 25. I appreciate the speed reduction to 20. But I don't think that we can assume that because there's a speed reduction, that 55% of the speeders won't continue to speed. We really need some enforcement. So thank you. We need some enforcement. So thank you. Here is Jillian Pillsbury, followed by Scott Campbell, June Hansberger, and then Jeff Wetland. Oh, you're amazing. Thank you. Hi, good evening, council and mayor. Team Eolas here again, asking you to approve the stop sign at Parkwood in the OLS to slow the reckless speeding which inhibits the safe entering and exiting into and out of Parkwood lane by the residents and community members crossing Parkwood lane on EOLIS. There are poor sight lines as Abe has pointed out. as Abe has pointed out. Earlier tonight, Mike McGill on Parkwood resident who was not able to be here tonight, sent in his comments, he said, in favor of the stop sign and shared with me, I wasn't even aware of this that two dogs were killed at this intersection who belonged to residents who live on Parkwood. We've submitted two petitions over the last several years requesting a way to mitigate this extremely hazardous situation, which we suggested speed bumps to reduce the speed hazard. But due to fire department regulations, we've been denied. Therefore, stop sign would serve as a solution. We have no sidewalks and many areas along EOLIS. We don't even have a shoulder as Elise was pointing out. This forces everyone out into the middle of the road and these vehicles are just speeding by us. They don't even care. Our street is filled with parents and children riding their e-bikes to and from school, runners, walkers, cyclists who are concerned daily for their safety. that is a lack of evidence that we have to be able to take care of the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public hour speed limit in an egregious way. Furthermore, we do not have enforcement to hold people accountable to the posted speed limit. So I don't know why 20 miles an hour is going to make a difference. I mean, except for those of us who actually follow the speed limit. So here's the data again. And what I really wanted to point out was if you look in the maximum speed column, so this is 57,600 cars in just a three month period. So if you look at November 9th, the maximum speed that day was 45. If you go down to November 28th, it was 44. December 12th, it was 48. the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city And I literally couldn't believe it. On January 28th, we had somebody drive 55 miles an hour down our street in the neighborhood. So we're just asking for your support in helping make our community safer by voting in favor of our stop sign. And I also want to say I'm in favor of the other one too. Thanks. Okay, so there's multiple team Ulysses. That's not just one team Ulyss. Notice there's nobody in the audience here on park from Parkwood Lane, where it's been one mention in all these meetings, one mention of one person from Parkwood. There's nobody live on Parkwood that even cares about this apparently. They're the ones that are affected. They're the ones that can't get out of their street because of the blind corner. I stood out in the street at the peak traffic time for over an hour and I took some survey, took a survey. Sixteen people said they wanted it. Eight people said, and 17 people said they didn't want it. These were people on bikes, in cars, construction workers, FedEx, people with strollers. The responses were all over the place. There is no consensus on this. There's all sorts of these high visibility signs here. I walked around the near bridge today. I took a survey of all the intersections with stop signs. 27 stop signs I counted. This is Glockus, Higia, I went down to Jason Street, Sherrod and I went all over the place. Only four of these stop signs have stop heads. That went in a lower picture. That's my front yard. I don't want that there. We don't need it. It's the inside corner radius. It's not needed. If we're going to do this, I insist that every single one of these stop signs gets a stop ahead. Every single one of them, if we're going to do this, that's, that's my point on this point. Let's go to the state. The staff report talks about reducing confusion and risk of collisions. You know what's confusing is this crazy sign. I don't know where you can buy these, they're probably custom. Now, risk of collisions. There are no reports of collisions on this street. From over 10 years, Sandag is official government data. If I can't trust official government data, what can I trust? Shows one incident, now it was a drunk driver in 2013. None of these incidents involved cars on cars. It was mostly people that got crazy and drove poorly. Where's the sign going to go? The staff report shows the sign literally in bushes, 20-foot high bushes, and I ask the council to find out exactly where the city right away is. Because if this issue is line of sight, perhaps we can trim some bushes and the issue goes away. We're already getting 20 miles an hour. We just went through two years of the traffic circle thing. How many treatments is this one little street need? One little street, how many lives can it spoil? I think that's all I got. Okay, so here's a better shot here. I mean, that's where the stop sign is shown in the picture where it's going to go. Literally no cars will be able to see it. Even if there's 15 stop-a-head signs signs they won't go. So please cover this stuff tonight. Thank you. Yes. Good evening. I'm June Hansberger and I am in support of both of these stop signs that have been proposed. I think they are both needed and will improve public safety for the community at both locations. I would like to address EOLIS. First, EOLIS has had community engagement for since before COVID, since I want to say 2019. The neighbors have all come together. They submitted multiple petitions asking for speed reduction. And following city protocol, they were allowed to have either speed humps or speed bumps. When city staff sent that to review for the fire department. The fire department did not approve them because in this corridor there is a canyon and there is a high fire danger. So because of that, that was not approved. City staff then took the time along with many council members to meet with these community members and look at this area and come up with a solution. And the solution is a stop sign at Parkwood and EOLIS. Many Parkwood residents have conveyed that they are interested in a stop sign. However, I do feel that having to ask repeatedly over and over again, signing petitions, attending multiple meetings, and being here until almost 11 o'clock at night to once again ask for something that is warranted and has been diligently designed by our staff is It just gets exhausting for the community and I feel it is really unfair that we have to continually come in and advocate for something that is warranted and and hopefully everybody can see the value in. It is very difficult as a community member to have to keep showing up meeting after meeting to request something that is needed in this location. And I trust our city staff. They have designed and I'm sure will place the stop sign in the appropriate position. They are traffic engineers and know what they are doing. So I think that that design that Scott was talking about was just a preliminary design. Additionally, I realize that there might not be any reported accidents, but most fender mentors are not reported to the police. And those are the only accidents that get reported on these city streets. We have had many accidents, they just are not reported. Additionally, the last thing I wanted to say is I really also support the stop sign that is over by San Diego Academy and as Commissioner Johnson said, we as a commission were hoping that that could be in place before school started. Thank you very much. Thank you. very much. Thank you. Hi. So I'm with the team, you know, the reasonable team, you know, those people. The way I see that your task with making a decision between safety and convenience, small residential roadways are not purpose for convenience. Their number one objective is to safely move people to major arteries, not speed them through. Stop signs of parkwood and EOLIS are a small step towards calming some of the pretty incredibly outrageous driving that happens around there. We don't have sidewalks, we've got tons of pedestrian traffic, and a vast majority of the local homeowners are in favor of slowing the traffic. Installing the stop signs are a slam down should be a pretty easy decision. And now we need law enforcement to get out there and monitor the area and let folks know that they're taking their their stakeholders up safety seriously. The naysayers including the people who drive feet from my bumper if I go to speed limit and have passed me on double yellows in a residential neighborhood. They can set their alarms a minute earlier and probably show up on time to whatever they have to do. And safety navigator around children, elderly folks, able-bodied folks, and importantly to me, my girlfriend's special needs son. Look, I've spoken on this side of the podium before and it was about speeding on a EO list. It's the only time I've been to one of these meetings. I mentioned that this isn't my sort of thing, but I'm here to say that necessity dictates slowing our traffic in our neighborhood. Fast driving me, Jeff, 27 years old, would kick my 47 year old butt for speaking on something like this. The younger me would win that physical fight. But the me you see tonight is a much wiser, retired firefighter, captain, battalion chief, who's unfortunately had to scrape a few people off the pavement before. I think the simple ask here is let's slow down some dangerous drivers and clear up some dangerous intersections and take care of our neighbors. That's all we're really asking for. Thank you. I've heard that wisdom can apply in a physical fight too. So I think you sell yourself short there, sir. Hello. Hello. Good to meet you. Yeah. Is that the end of public speakers? Thank you very much. Yes, it is late. Councilmember Ailer. Yeah, let's Jim wants to come up and speak just to make it the entire audience except staff. So, you know, how many, how many, uh, stop signs have I advocated for and they never had the warrants? I'm so thrilled to have one with warrants. I mean, there's, there's no way I can say no. And I support both. I think the both are prudent low cost approaches to increasing safety. One of the audience members almost hit policy 2.4 right on the nose. When it comes to a choice between commuter convenience versus safety and community character, the latter shall take precedence. And I think you use the term safety and convenience. community. The community is a community character. The latter will take precedence. I think you use the term safety and convenience. This is safety. That's what we're going for here. I'm going to support it. I'll leave and start it off at this late hour with make a motion to adopt. Councilmember Lines. Second that. I do have a question for staff though. Is the final drawings, final documents for Santa Fe at a point where it can be modified to include the always stop. And then that to be done under the existing contract and contractor? We can incorporate this always stop before the major CIP project goes in place. They can work together and we'll only communicate with our CIP team to make sure this is incorporated into their design. When it goes out for implementation, this piece remains the same. Awesome. I didn't even think about that. Thank you. So we can get this going right away. We can implement these right away. What years? Yeah, we should be able to do it before construction. It doesn't need to be part of the CIP project. No, we can. We can make it happen before that. OK. The other comment I want to make, because I do support these moving forward, is there was some discussion in the staff report about around about at Crest and Santa Fe. And so I've given that a good deal of thought too. Now we made the intentional decision a couple years ago to remove the roundabout. We only brought it to 30% drawings. So that's where it sits right now. And it's not part of the capital program moving forward. However, these are different times. And I'm getting the opinion that there's a good deal of support for a full roundabout at this location. And so given that also the mobility and traffic commission are talking about around about perhaps not a full one but it just kind of further reinforces reinforces that there might be enough interest at this time to reengage in looking at those 30% drawings and see then what would be involved in around about. And so I'm just really looking at my colleagues to see if maybe that's something we should give staff direction on. Yeah, I actually would ask the motion maker maybe to modify the motion to include that as part of the motion directing Exploration of continuing the design of the roundabout that was removed. I Think my preference is I'm not against the roundabout I I'd rather do it in two separate motions Okay, and just handle it that way because I don't want anything delaying this at all So and it's pretty clean. So and it is 11 o'clock. So okay, Deputy Mayor Blackwell. Yeah, I'll be quick. I highly support the stop sign at Eolas Parkwood. I've been up there. I walk there. It's it would be nice to have speed bumps or some other traffic mitigation measure, but you know, let's get the stop sign in there and see how that goes. I think for Santa Fe and Crest, whether there was some public feedback or comments about it's really going to back up traffic. I'd like to say stop sign is relatively easy to put in and take out. And it would be great to get in before school, absolutely. But one of the things is we heard that about Sheridan and the cost of that. It was going to really back up traffic. I don't think we've seen it to the amount it was feared. So maybe it's one of those like let's see what happens and it isn't that hard to reverse the stop sign. So I would support both of them. Thank you. I agree with the deputy mayor completely. I've found the traffic movement on the cost avenue to be safer and not not as congested as everybody was afraid of. I'm sure there are times of day. Maybe I don't go there because I usually am driving that during business hours. So maybe weekends are bad, but ultimately I think that was a great idea. That said, it's an interim solution on shared and the cost avenue as well as Vulcan and LaCosta Avenue. We now have an interim solution in my opinion at Santa Fe and Crest, and so as I've stated many times before, I've never seen an intersection that I didn't think could be improved with a nice roundabout EOLS and Parkwood Excluded. I don't think that's necessary there, but Santa Fe Crest I really want to advance the design of that and most importantly I want to get an idea of what it's going to cost because it's an important part of the conversation that we're going to be having in the months ahead so I don't know what it would take, but we have a motion in a second, so why don't we vote on that and then we can come up with some staff direction. Motion carries unanimously. Okay, and then did you, staff direction would be to continue to explore, you know, advancing the 30% designs with the anticipation that someday we will fund that roundabout and in particular, identify what the costs of a roundabout based upon 30% design would be. And I know you mentioned to me in an email that there are some challenges with some of the driveways and you know working through that is important and if there are those are fatal flaws and you know bring that information forward but my hope is that it can be worked through. Does that need to be a motion? I don't think so. Staff direction. Staff direction. Is that clear enough for you or do you want it to be a motion or what do you want? So we've talked about a couple things at that intersection. We've talked about kind of the bolt down prefabricated members that we're proposing or we're moving forward with on Quail Gardens versus the concrete full blown roundabout. So a little bit more information on which of those two directions you'd like us to explore. I personally prefer a permanent design for that location. It is a beautiful part of our city and not that I'm understating you know that the the quick builds can can be nice looking and you know it's good enough for quail gardens drive you would think it would be good enough for Santa Fe but for me I would prefer to see a permanent engineered solution there so that we can have that we could I think fall back to the quick build if we if the cost was too high but ultimately some of the things that are going to be expensive, maybe with driveways and retaining walls, theoretically, you would need to do that with a quick well too. Yeah, so I think what we'd have to do is, we don't have a design contract in place right now for a roundabout designer. So we'll reach out to some of our uncult contracts and figure out what that cost would be and see if it's something we can manage it within our operating budget or if we need to return back to council to reduce some funding for design. Works for me, I think that's the most important thing is to establish the cost. And then I think everybody here is aware of the challenges with our capital improvement project budget. So how that fits in is going to be a future conversation. So is that enough direction? Councilmember Aathers, did you want to say more? Yeah, I support the permanent concrete approach. I think that is such a gateway to our high schools and so many important. So just if we go forward that's where I would want to go. But probably more importantly I made a commitment up here about a high G around about that if fit and we might have happened to have a traffic a mobility traffic commissioner that's very concerned about that. I wanted to ask if it comes down to you know and I think the the term I used was feasible and reasonable reasonably fast replacing that money. Where would you want to put the Hygia 20-year-old? Well, I know it's a hard one but it's where the rubber meets the road and that's my own concern about. We're kind of waiting for a few million dollars for that. Yeah. With this one come before or after that and my thought is I think we made a commitment for the HGO 120 years ago. Oh, yeah, I couldn't agree more. I just want to make sure people aren't going, oh, good, they're going to go forward next year with a roundabout at Santa Fe. No, that's why we're doing the stop signs. It gets some safety in there now. We've got other commitments that we defunded temporarily urgently, and I want to make sure we're not backing away from that. And it sounds like good. Okay. Councilmember Lys. And so just let me make a statement that in my view, Hygia comes first. But also the reason I'm thinking about a full one here is because it appears to me that we have the right of way. We actually have a broader right of way, although we may find there's some conflicts with some utilities. But it appears like it would fit. Whereas on Quail Gardens, we don't have that. And so I just wanted to make that distinction. We just don't have that in Quill Gardens. Okay, appreciate that distinction. So is that enough direction for you? All right, we're done with that item. Thanks for staying late. I know it just happened to be on a very busy meeting. Thank you. So then we have the request to approve plans for design immunity for the installation of vehicle access barrier at the city owned property located at the northeast corner of North Coast Highway 101 in La Costa Avenue. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 10-D. Do we need to have a staff report to gain design immunity? What's that? No, yes. The only yes. I would, did you make a motion? Yes, I make a motion to move approval. Okay. Okay, we're ready to vote. The only comment that I would add. Okay, we're ready to vote. The only comment that I would add oh Wasn't Jim gonna speak on this item is that what Jim was waiting for? Hey Scott no humor after 11 o'clock Okay, just you know so you guys can go home. Thanks for staying late That's staff in part ever. The only way, before you go, one of the things that I think we need to think about is the way that parcel lays out. The rocks on LaCosta Avenue, I think, are important and work very well. The question is that, you know, there's access on cars that are boulevard and I don't think rocks worked out well there. I think what we might need is a gate that I've seen in other places and I know it's not attractive but I think NCTD might have some concerns about not having any access. So it would be something that we would coordinate that they have a key and are involved. If we're putting rocks to the bridge, that's technically their right of way. So I don't know if we have right of entry and other things because we need to look at that. You do want to stay for a point? Yeah, apparently. So that parcel that surrounds the NCTD right away in the bridge, it's set back from the roadway. So our road right away is nice and wide. So our rocks are in our road right away in front of their parcel. Okay, that's good to know that we're not getting in trouble with the rocks. But that still, you know, figuring out how to address the access of Carlsman Boulevard is the key. And, you know, I don't know if that's part of this. I didn't, yeah. So, we may end up with squirrely cars going that way and coming up because the road, it does come up and wrap around. And so it's- We'll get more rocks. Well, and I don't mind getting more rocks as long as you coordinate with NCTD to make sure that that's not going to cause them any heartburn because they do for emergency access need to be able to get to the tracks down there. For sure. Thank you for quickly addressing this. And thanks to the landscape architect that suggested rocks instead of K-rails. I know you public works, guys. Your aesthetic is a little different than, yeah. Yeah. Please, no K-rails. Yeah, you wonder if you go to Celeste's house, whether he has K-ra rails in the front yard. I'm sorry. OK, moving on to item 10E, another quick one. It's the proposed amendment number four to the City of Managers Employment Agreement, effective July 1, 2024. And, uh, Jason, if you could make it very brief. Okay, good evening, almost good morning. I'm here to present the amendments to the city managers contract. Per's regulations required it be brought in open session and presented an open session for approval. We ask for your adoption of resolution 202476 which amends is amendment 4 to the city managers contract which provides an increase equal to the employees of the city and moves 255, hold on one second. 295,000 to 309,758. And then also adoption of Resolution 2024-77, approving the modified salary schedule that reflects the increase and that resolution and amendment goes to purse. So I ask for your adoption. Okay, very good. And thank you for all that you've accomplished over the last year. I will point out that this is a contractual obligation. So there is that, but I appreciate that the cost of living allowance increase in this is hopefully going to make it a little easier for you. And I would move approval of this item. I'll second that. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Okay. We have a firefighter presentation. Firefighter drone presentation. I'm really glad. I'm thinking outside for midnight flight. Sorry. Can you take it outside for midnight flight? Yeah. You can see it. Put up here so you guys can see it. It feels like there should be some dramatic music firefighting drills. I think we need to get some dramatic music, firefighting drove. Good evening. Thank you, Mayor and Council Member for letting me present our new drone program. I first want to thank City Manager Antil for the support with this program. She actually came to us and said, okay, can we get a drone program? And we've been thinking about it, and then she kind of helped push it to the next level. So we appreciate the support. And then I'd be remiss if I didn't think Jay Schwarm for helping get the policy part through and making sure that we're paying attention to the privacy issues and all that kind of stuff. And then with Jessica Contreras and her IT team, to make sure that we're all on the same page with the technology that we're using. So with that said, the drone program that we have is new. It's just policies just out. We have two licensed individuals, the FAA that can fly it, and we're excited to bring these benefits into the emergency operations side. So the title of it says drones in the field, firefighting drones, drones do not fight fire, okay? But it's a good title. So there's about, in 2023, there's about 500 fire departments that added a drone program to their emergency operations and we're just catching up to those fire departments. We did have the Sheriff's Department out probably six months ago. They gave us a great demonstration on how they use the drones, what policies they have, how they train on them, what licensing they need through the FAA. And we're able to really get a good handle on us moving forward with our drone program and how we're going to use it here in Ancenaedis. So how are we going to use drones? So one of the things we're going to use up for is structure fires and scene monitoring. So what we can do is deploy one of these drones up in the air and then it can kind of use a military or law enforcement term of overwatch. So we can see the fire. We have thermal imaging cameras that can see through the smoke and see where all the hot spots are. We're gonna move the fire is oriented within the building. If we don't know at the moment, it'll show us where the hot part of the structure is. It could identify where our personnel are. So all of our personnel have a heat signature and the thermal imaging camera can show us where they are within our incident scene. And so we can have accountability and make sure we're keeping track of our people. And then it also comes with some spotlights that are very bright. So you think of tiny spotlight wouldn't be bright, it can light up a pretty good area. So all Again to help our incident commander get information and make good decisions that are gonna help benefit our community and keep them safe and our firefighters safe We can also use it for search and rescue We are the second most N-Scenes has the second most cliff rescues in San Diego County, second to San Diego City. So when we have a cliff rescue, we have a victim that gets stuck on the side of the cliff. And there are times where it's hard to identify where they are. We get a nine-one phone call, and so they're on the cliff, and we think they're in front of this street, or we're, you know, this close to D street, but we're trying to get that information to a fire engine that are responding so they can set up a system to bring them up or back down the cliff. Sometimes it's hard to find them, so we can have the lifeguards send a drone out, really pinpoint where that is and then now communicate that back to us so that we can get on scene much quicker and more accurate than we have before. Another way we use it for search and rescue is, and this is an experience that I had when I was back on the floor as a firefighter is, we have a southbound car, gets off on Manchester, we do have a lot of vehicles that kind of go into the lagoon there, lose control, ejects a victim, and we get on scene and we think we only have one victim in the car. So before the drone program, we would call the sheriffs, they would send Astrea up. There's minutes that are going by, they would use their thermal imaging camera and say, no, we don't see any heat signatures or yes, we found you have another victim that's to your west. Now we can write from our battalion chief vehicle or from a lifeguard vehicle, or even respond from here, drone right away and have thermal imaging so that we can find where that victim might have been if there is multiple victims. So we're more accurate and quicker to find victims and provide that life saving care that they need. So we also have this for post fires. So everyone heard about the Del Mar Fire, the San Diego City Fire that was approaching Del Mar yesterday. One of the things we can do is after the fires put out, there's hot spots, right? So we can do is after the fire is put out, there's hot spots. So we can use this drone to fly the perimeter of our fire, look for any smoldering or hot spots that we might have missed as we're going around during mop-up. So instead of allowing this fire to rekindle later on because we missed the hot spot, we can use our thermal imaging camera now to really pinpoint where our firefighters need to go back and make sure that it's cold so that we won't have any issues in the future with that area that's on fire. And it'll also survey the fire. It'll give us what the acreage is and that helps us determine resources and all the other info that our instant commander needs to really put it to bed later on, make sure that it's done, it's not coming back. Disaster assessment, I use the train, do railman here because it's one of those things that keep me up at night is that's going to be a major response. But if we do have any major response, we can throw a launcher drone in the air, have situation awareness for our incident commander, and then they get to see a big picture of what's going on in the incident itself. We don't really have that capability now. So a lot more information is coming in. Our incident commander can use this information to make better decisions, which is gonna be more efficient and keep the community safe and our firefighters safe. You know, there were also a lot of hazards, hazardous materials that are out there. Right now we would put a used binoculars or we would put all of our gear on SCBAs, which, what does the placard say? What does the label say? What kind of methyl ethyl bad stuff is this? Now we can send a drone over zoom in on the placard and have immediate information back without having to put our firefighters in a dangerous area. And then we can relay that to hazmat and hazmat can come and make some good decisions without putting anybody at risk. You see here kind of an ocean shot with some shark circling around. This is the city manager's favorite use of this drone. We just used it in Delmar. We had a shark attack in Delmar, and we were able to throw a drone up in the air and look to see if the shark was still in the area, identify what the shark is help shark labs find out what it is But even more importantly, let's say there's a shark sighting we can put a drone in the air and make sure that it's safe in the water or it was a dolphin We do get some of those sometimes where no we saw a shark. Well, there's a pot of dolphins right in front of us So it'll help us just identify saw a shark, well there's a pot of dolphins right in front of us. So it'll help us just identify when and how we're going to follow protocol to make sure that our ocean and our beaches are safe. While I'm firefighting, I dig talk a little bit about that smoldering and kind of perimeter survey. One of the things we can also use this for when we don't have aircraft in the air. So either early on or later on in the fire, we can keep an eye on our personnel that are out there, look for any other hazards that might be in the fire, and then we can look for any, like we said, smoldering spots, see where it's the direction of the fire is going, and it's going to give our incident commander a lot of information to place resources in the right spots, to head off the fire and help stop forward progress or save homes. So it's going to be a great tool for us when we go out and utilize all the benefits. So right now what you're looking at is this called a Matrice 350. It's got about 45 minutes of battery life. We do have extra batteries that we can rotate out. It has a thermal imaging camera that sees through smoke. It can, like we talked about, see all the hot spots, see personnel, any heat signatures. We have it. It has 180 times camera. That's attached to it so if we do have a rescue on a cliff and there's a victim there we can zoom in to see if there's any other injuries or hazards that might be there so it's or like we talked about hazmat right they can read the labels and we can make sure that we're providing the highest level of care and the highest level of safety to the community and our firefighters. We also have two smaller drones that provide the same technology. There's a thermal imaging and a high resolution camera. It doesn't zoom in as well. But it still is going to provide the same amount of benefits that the Matrice 350 does as a bigger one. It's got a little smaller battery life. One of these small maavics will be in our battalion chief vehicle, and then another one will live at our Moonlight Safety Center. And then the big one, the Matrice 350, will be here at City Hall, ready to be deployed, if needed. The big one is more for the larger incidents, and then the two smaller ones are for a quick response. So there's a lot of questions about, you know what the purpose of the drone is. So just straight out of our policy, but the mission of the NCIS Fire and Marine Safety Department, unmanned aircraft system, or drone, is to enhance and support public safety operations and assist and support other city departments with approved missions while protecting the rights and privacy of the public. The city and department personnel shall make every effort to avoid invading a person's reasonable expectation of privacy when operating a UAS. When operating the U.S., the NCES Fire and Marine Safety Department will abide by all federal aviation administration or FAA regulations for flight and will obtain the proper authorization for flight. And then the manager, supervisors, operators, or visual observers that are involved in the deployment of a city-owned drone will consider the protection of individuals, civil rights, and maintain reasonable expectation of privacy as a key component of any decision to deploy the drone. The privacy part is a big deal to us. We have a lot of trust from the community, and we don't want to lose that trust. One of the things that we can do is we'll use the Cliff Rescue as an example. Let's say we have a Cliff Rescue off Neptune somewhere. We can use Genesis Protect, which you guys will get another presentation about soon. We can use the polygon, which you guys will get another presentation about soon. We can use the polygon and the evacuation modeling that they use to also provide information. So I can have our incident commander basically hit that evacuation zone and provide information saying we have an emergency in your area. There is a drone in the air and it's being used for emergency operations. That way people understand like this isn't just some random drone looking at my backyard. There's a purpose for this, there's someone who needs emergency, us to show up and do some kind of emergency mitigation. And so it's one of those things to try to keep that trust and let people know that, hey, we're not just spying on you. We're really working on an emergency here. Would you reiterate that? How did you say that you would get the words out that it's a marine safety measure? So we have a genesis protect is kind of like SD alert or alerts and Diego. So it's a app or platform that we use to do mostly use of free evacuations and repopulation. But the app also allows for information giving. So we usually work with the sheriffs to do the evacuations they would use the Genesis Protect and hit a polygon of where that evacuation zone is. So we would hit that same polygon but instead of evacuation order or warning, we would put an informational notice so that it would go to their phone as an app notification or a text message and let them know that that's where we're doing our emergency operations with the drone. Do we have to opt in to get those text messages? You do. At their SD alert or something? Yep. So on our website, on the public safety, there's both of those links are there so you can download them and put them on your phone. Thank you. So just as a quick recap, I don't want to get too far with it being too late. So the aerial reconnaissance and monitoring, thermal imaging of hot spots and detection, search and rescue, fire scene assessments, monitoring has met wildfire management, building inspection and damage assessment, search and recovery, flood monitoring response, training and simulations, assessing vegetation, fuel load, post-insight analysis, and reporting and structural fire fighting support all just 14 of the hundreds of opportunities we have to use this drone and either the fire department or the marine safety department or in collaboration with some of the other departments to make sure that we're keeping the community safe. So with that, that's the end of my presentation. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. I do have a question about other drones. So we do allow folks to fly drones anywhere in the city as long as that person has their license. Is that accurate? Did you have to do some research on this? You know, I actually don't know the answer to that. And I'm sure, I don't know the answer to that. I'm sure I don't know. Jace is still here. Does there? I have a, a, a, or a, like, like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I, um, I live near the beach. And it's really common that we have drones flying over our houses in our backyards. And it's really, it's really, um, I don't know. It's very spooky. So I'm glad that we have our own now, and I just, maybe there's a future where we wanna consider limiting the drones. I know it's probably an FAA thing, but limiting other commercial use or private drones so that there isn't this competition or that we don't have pushed back to ours that is so much more useful than just people hobbyists and realtors taking photos of the neighborhood. We are actually, there's going to be some sticker designs that it makes it look like a fire department drone that we're working on right now. So some of the things we can't cover and we're working with the company to make sure that we're putting stickers in the right spot. But that should help a little bit. Yeah, thank you. Quick yes. On the recent fire down in Del Mar I believe on pulse point my wife noted that the aerial support had to be called off and sent home because there was a private drone flying the area. Can you confirm that? Yeah, so that's correct. So on scene, there was a drone operator that was unidentified at the moment. So they weren't sent home, but they were diverted away from the fire until the drone operator was able to be found. And so you have the authority to where I was going to is you have the authority to uncertain regions with an active incident. Deny people are right to fly over that and I don't know what the mechanism is. Correct, we would usually go through Sheriff's Department for that. In other incidents we've had we've actually closed airspace through the FAA so that would, in most commercial drones, would not be able to fly because of the programming, but if you have cheaper drones, we would have to go and tell them to stop. But yeah, we can do that. Thank you. I did want to take an opportunity. I don't know if everybody got this email, but we hear from Mr. Greg LaFave occasionally and he's generally not been too supportive of things that we were offering. He did send me an email saying, Dear Mayor Cranes, I urge you serious and positive consideration to the use of drones by Insane Firefighters. This is one great tool. In decades past I flew in news helicopters over hundreds of fires. I am an FAA licensed and certified commercial drone pilot. I know the advantages these tools bring. I've been flying drones for movies and films about 17 years. I am very familiar with the brand discussed in Wednesday's presentation and intimately familiar with the equipment specified. I own and fight two of the units illustrated for my aeriallients, this is exactly what a firefighter needs. Insta- situational awareness. Ultra-high definition video, high definition thermal. Some of these units can be in the air in less than a minute. Firefighters assess and plan in seconds rather than wait and wait for conventional aircraft overhead. This is money well spent. I urge your consideration. Thank you and appreciate that we have this resource to sass up. So thanks. Thank you. That finishes up this discussion. Appreciate you staying so late. So that moves us on to 1, 2, 3, 4, which normally I would postpone, but I did want to mention that there's an agenda item. I don't know if everybody's got something if you want to save it for later, but I wanted to mention there's NLP by Sandegg is out for the tunnel through Del Mar and there'll be an agenda item on Friday that's pretty important. Salon Abiche was notice of preparation came out and we everybody was a little shocked to through Delmar. It became a very complicated underground tunnel that went under the lagoon and started. It's 2% grade down right after the station in Delmar, in Slantabiche. So it's going to tear up that tunnel. I mean, that trench that they have and screw up a lot of stuff and it's going to take up to seven years to build and it's really become quite a fiasco. So, and very expensive. So I consider it to be DOA but you know they're saying well let's study it anyways and I'm just saying no there's better plans to study that we should be looking at. So are there any other urgent one two three fours that we cannot keep until next meeting yeah I would just like to say that this will be my last meeting before I intend to have a baby next month so my plan under the government code I'm allowed to miss I think two consecutive months of meetings without you guys putting my seat up for a special election or choosing to appoint somebody else. 3 weeks for a 3 week. So I think looking at the calendar that translates to roughly 6 meetings that I'll be missing. That's for the City Council but of course there's all my other appointments that I served. So I want to thank you all for my fellow council members for picking up the slack and taking on additional responsibilities on those regional boards and also probably handling some of the Communications that you might receive from constituents of district two so thank you and I'll miss seeing you all but I won't miss being You'll you'll dream of the days. You could go home midnight and go to sleep. You really will dream of them. Okay. City Manager Reports. City Attorney Reports. Very briefly. City Clerk Reports. I do have a report. Oh, you do? Yes, I do have a report. Very briefly. Two items. Gotta be quick. Thank you. First item, as I believe most of the council are aware, the superstructure at 1478, the burned out duplex on 1478 Newport Neptune has, substantially is being removed. Most of superstructure is removed. We anticipate that the complete removal will take place within the next two weeks or so. But that is removed. We anticipate that the complete removal will take place within the next two weeks or so. But that is in a way. The second issue, as I think the council is aware in April this year, the Los Angeles County Superior Court on motion from the City of Redondo Beach ruled that Senate Bill SB9 does not apply to charter cities. The news is that the Attorney General has just appealed that ruling. So there's, we have between six, we have about 12 months to 18 months to determine whether or not the ruling will stand in the public court. Not as the end of my report. Okay. Thank you. And I was getting photographs from the neighbors of that bird out house as it was being removed and they were all very very happy about that. So that's it for tonight. Thank you. We're adjourned.