So, more minutes to see if the other two cars are still around. Oh, yeah. Yes, there's no quorum right now. Yeah. Sorry about that. We had the quorum just a minute ago, but now there's no quorum, so we have to wait. There we are. All right, we have Councilman Smith. I believe that Councilman Smith,'m going to see in the years. I need to get my charger, Mr. Mayor. The term now is 8.12 and I would like to reconvene the City Council's successor agency to the Westminster with the relevant agency meeting. It's going to be open section for the special meeting. And this is a continue from the June 25, 2024 regular city council meeting request for resolution of censure based on action of councilwoman and your friend west. So a meeting called to order please take a recall. Mayor Wynne. I'm here. Vice Mayor Ho. Here. Councilwoman fan west. Council member Bonzo. Here. Councilwoman Fenwes. Councilmember Bonzo. Here. Councilmember Wynne. Mayor, you have a quorum with Councilwoman Fenwes. Absent. Okay. Now it's the time that I can talk about it. I know that the city attorney was taught that I am going to say what he thinks that is going to be a violation. But yesterday when I adjourned a meeting and I was notified that people who speak on the item special item which is 5.2, the continued item from the June talk meeting, then you can't speak it again because it's going to be continued today. But after the meeting, I was talking to the see attorney and he said that his up to, it's a discretion of the council. And so at this time, I would like to open up for the council to vote on this item whether you want to allow the people who spoke up item 5.2 yesterday, can they talk about that item today? I can they talk about that item today. So if there is anything in your team a motion to either way. I move to allow them to speak again. I second it. Okay, so we have motion and motion by Vice Mayor Hall and seconded by Mayor Wynne to allow those who spoke yesterday. You can continue to speak today. Thank you Mayor. So I do have a motion made by Vice Mayor Hall and a second and second made by mayor wind. This is to allow members of the public who spoke yesterday to speak today during the item. I will call roll, councilwoman fan west. You know before I vote a couple of people that say they spoke yesterday they say that the mayor informed them that they cannot speak against so they didn't come today. So with that I vote no. Because it's unfair for those people. Councillor Romanzo? Yes. Councillor Bumbeung-Win? It's going to be a waste of time again. I vote no. Vice Mayor Ho? Yes. Mayor Winn? Yes. Three, two motion carried. All right. At this time, I would like to open for all of the communication for closed session. I'd like to have our city club to read the instruction into the record. And remember, you can only talk, I'll speak about the item 5.2, which is the request for a resolution of censure based on action of the councilwoman in the front west district. Nothing else. If you have anything else beside that, then you can wait until the non-achinda item. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. And just to clarify that this is for the agenda item only not closed session yet. So this is the time of the meeting that members of the public may address the city council regarding any items on the agenda. Unless otherwise extended by a majority vote of the city council, comments shall be limited to three minutes per speaker. Any person wishing to address the city council in person should complete a green speaker slip that is provided at the entrance to the council chambers and submit the card to the city clerk. When your name is called, please step to the podium at that time, state your name and city of residents for the record. Our first speaker is going to be Hwei Donato, followed by GGVO. Okay, yes. Just one, let me speak in Vietnamese. Gai Gai, if you have any questions, I'm sure you will be able to answer them. If you have any questions, please let me know. Okay. Thank you. Hello, I'm the chief of the Ministry of Culture and Culture. I'm a member of the Ministry of Culture and Culture other people. I believe that I am a person in the city and a person in the South of Vietnam. I am also a person of the United States, the United States of America, and the United States of America. Today, I am telling you that I am a person who is the second person in this world. to and the OV-Sy-Farm Quid and the Lamp Quid to teach the law. There is a story that the people of the city are not afraid of to cut the road to the city to be taken to the east of the city. To make the people happy. This city has many people, not only the city of Vietnam, and to take the initiative to develop and develop the initiative and the initiative of the city. Three days before, the initiative was launched to develop the development of the development of the city. and the two of us who are using the YouTube channel of Namquan, the small box of the real world, the three of us are the three of us, the eight of us, the eight of us, the two of us are the two of us, the two of us are the two of us, the two of us are the two of us, the two of us are the two of us, the two of us are the two of us, the two of us are the two of us, the two of Thank you. My name is Wei. As a Westminster resident, I used to support Councilman Namquan and Councilwoman Amy West. Today I want to raise my voice about these two council members behavior. Council Member Amy puts herself above the law by literally parking her RV and then using her position to avoid paying the fines. This is one small example of the unethical choices she makes in using her position to make herself above everybody else. She is not for the community, but only for what benefits her. Following council meetings, she will often post videos on YouTube that contain false information and portray other members negatively. The City of Westminster is a very diverse community with many different ethnicities, which Amy continues to fail to remember. As a councilwoman, she should be representing the entire district and not only the Vietnamese communities. Amy lacks skills of a councilwoman that includes time management. Because of her failed attempts at planning ahead, she has caused problems for the council that includes no longer leaving time to discuss important developments for the city, the economy, and the social culture of Westminster. Again, she only uses her time and resources for things that will directly benefit her and her image. Councilman Namquan has joined hand in hand with Councilwoman Amy by using Namquan's YouTube channel to distort the truth and uses it to falsely accuse the other three council members. I suggest the censor quickly punish Amy for her negative actions and behaviors against our community of Westminster. And in addition, look into Councilman NAMquan's behavior as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I wish Mr. Mayor. I have the help of the vice mayor. May I have a brief statement? No. You may not. Please may I have the next speaker please? So basically to the RV. I'm sorry. I want to answer your question. No, you don't take advantage of my position at all. We don't have RVs. The chief of please know that. I don't have those RVs in the city. Hong Kong, Hong Kong RV in the city. That's the fact. Okay. And then regarding the false information that I went to on Namguang station or the other Vietnamese media. I don't, I only present facts and you guys have the right to not agree and have that feeling is fine. I just present facts and that's all I'm doing and that's okay. So thank you. Thank you Ms. Dermayer. Thank you. So thank you. Thank you miss Vermeer. Thank you Our next speaker is GG vote followed by Natlin Yetling Oh, did you go in there for sorry? GG vote that's right. Thank you. 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The people who are in the car are the people who are in the car. The people who are in the car are the people who are in the car. The people who are in the car are the people who are in the car. The people who are in the car are the people who are in the car. The people who are in the car are the people who are in the car. The people who are in the car are the people who are in the car. The The The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close. The two of us are very close My name is Gigi Vaux, a resident of Westminster. I'm going to go in. My name is Gigi Vowe, a resident of Westminster. I wish to speak about Councilwoman Amy Fan West. Councilwoman West regularly speaks for the longest time and speaks over the mayor and fellow council members. When attending a recent public event, she exchanged the seat reserved for the mayor with her own in order to give herself a place of more prominence. She parked in the place reserved for the vice mayor. She arrived late to the event but then jumped to the head of the food line. She projects herself as royalty rather than as a servant of the people. You regularly put yourself in the spotlight. Let me give you an example, a request for $2,000 for free hot dogs at the event. That request only needs to be worked out with the staff without having to be brought in the agenda to discuss wasting time and costing the city money. Was that your intention to remind residents that when they eat a hot dog, they must remember you for your efforts. You and Namquan on his YouTube channel called Mayor Charlie Wynn, Vice Mayor Ho, and Councilman Manzo the gang of three. Condemn them to waste city money for Vegas business trip, fabricating allegations and saying badmouth about them. Councilwoman West, after you're in a half in your term, you have not done anything for the community and its residents. You only try to build your name so to advance yourself to a higher office. Your job now is a council member to represent people here in West Minister, you are just a troublemaker to the council. You need to be censured now. Mr. Mayor, may I say briefly? Can you enter the end? Absolutely, thank you. Our next speaker is Nat Lynn followed by Michael Verangia. I'm sorry. I'm Kinh Thu Hồng Thành Phố. I'm a member of the Thành Phố Westminster. Before the presentation, I'm Phép Hồng Thành Phố. I'm 17. I'm going to ask you to tell me about the past of the year. I'm going to tell you about the past of the year. I'm going to tell you about the past of the year. I'm going to tell you about the past of the year. I'm going to tell you about the past of the year. I'm going to tell you about the past of the year. I'm going to tell you about the past of the year. I'm going to tell you about the past of the year. I'm I The So, this is not what I'm talking about. I have a lot of people who are in the same dark. I'm going to say, everything in the middle of the society is not the same. Everything in the middle of society is not the same. Everything in the middle of society is not the same. Everything in the middle of society is not the same. Everything in the middle of society is not the same. Everything in the middle of society is not the same. Everything in the middle of society is not the same. times and trained good done. I have always been a person who has been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud of the people who have been very proud, the people who were in the past. My name is Nhat Ling, what's been so resident? Before I speak on my opinion, I would like everyone to listen to Kaosamun Nam Kwan spoke on his behalf. I would like everyone to listen to Kaosamun Nam Kwan spoke on his behalf. I would like everyone to listen to Kaososeman Nam Kwan spoke on his YouTube channel using the word slapping and choking as Ms. Nhat Ling has mentioned in her. If this is to express his desire to do to residents who spoke against him and Council of Woman's Amy, I can't imagine this Council body condoned this kind of behavior from any of the council members. I have to admit, sometime, there was a few people who spoke offensively on culture. Could you, but could you possibly think that the resident opinion at the meeting are so offensive and cruel enough for any council member to slap and choke those who have an opinion against you. I think that Councilman and Councilman, and Councilman should be resigned. Council, especially Councilwoman Amy, should be resigned if he cannot stand the hits. I am also about Council Member Amy Sensor. I fully support the Council's body to move forward. After she was given a second chance of three months to change, she did not wait until to retaliate against the Mayor, the Vice Mayor, and councilman Manzo. She does not know how to humble and sincerely sorry to change. I support the council body to move ahead with the censure and central councilwoman Amy. She is a nightmare to our city. Thank you very much. and Amy, she is a nightmare to our city. C. W. Rdomani. All right. Our next speaker is Michael Verangia, followed by Lisa Phelps. Thank you, Mayor, for the opportunity and council members to speak again. I had to smile when I heard this west over here again, deny that you don't rent RVs out. It's all over Facebook. You should probably look around because those things are out there and there's ways of finding out who they belong to without really going through a lot of effort. The other thing is I was actually hoping that you would figuratively get your head out of your backside and learn to be a proper council member. But apparently after the last regular meeting, you decided to go on this guy's YouTube channel and character assassinate your other three council members by spreading the same BS that you've spread the last how many meetings. When you don't get your way, this is your fall back. You go on Vietnamese language, YouTube media, so you can spread lies to Vietnamese residents who may not speak English very well. And you can tell them whatever you want, but you're too stupid to understand that stuff gets back not only to the other council members, but to the residents of the city. You really do need to grow up becoming adult because sooner or later you're going to wind up getting centered. How about if you try to save yourself instead of saying, well, if I apologize, we'll make the censure go away. It doesn't work like that. When you're a kid, your parents tell you, don't touch that or don't go there or you get in trouble. That's how you set limits. Because you're acting like an immature individual, these council members now have to set limits on you as if you're a six-year-old. You know in my house we were Italian. My dad was the boss. His name was Guido. And you didn't violate any of Guido's instructions because punishment was swept and sure. Depending on how old you were, you were either sent to your room. You didn't get dinner or you lost the rights to the car or you got no date money or you couldn't do anything at all. And this is how you're having to be treated. or you got no date money or you couldn't do anything at all. And this is how you're having to be treated. This is ridiculous that we're even doing this. How about growing up for a change? I realize speaking of change, I realize, sorry, this is chunk change for you, I realize that. I'm next speaker is Lisa Phillips, followed by Claudia Launtry. Good evening council, mayor, council members. Some of you might know me, some might not. I am no longer a resident of Westminster. I moved to Whittier, best decision of my life, especially when I watch these meetings that I watch. They're unbelievable, unbelievable. I was a resident of Westminster for over 35 years. My son went to elementary school, middle school, high school. I was very involved in Little League, the high school. And I like that you're looking at me, Amy, because you didn't look at one other person that spoke. Is it the fact that I don't live in this city? Because when all your friends came last week, I sat in Cabo San Lucas on my vacation and watched that video Thursday morning, after that three out of four in the morning, stupid meeting. You need to be censored. You don't even understand the difference between censor and censure. It's ridiculous. I watch our city council meetings in West in Whittier and I love it. We have the same law firm. The first time I moved there, I listened to Dick Jones, I didn't even see his face and I love it. We have the same law firm. The first time I moved there, I listened to Dick Jones, I didn't even see his face and I knew it was Dick Jones. You are an embarrassment to this city. I'm embarrassed for my family that still live here. Tab, you would have been my district. I lived in your district. Amy, I never voted for you the two other times you ran, and I wouldn't vote for you now. You need to take what the people are saying that are not Vietnamese people that don't understand. I watched those meetings on those YouTube videos. You are an embarrassment and like Kimberly Ho said, your liability for this city. I feel really sorry for the lawsuits that could come about with what you do. Thank you for listening to me. All right, next speaker is Claudia Launtry, followed by Monique Nguyen. Claudia Launtry, followed by Monique Nguyen. Amy, disappointed in you in award. Two weeks ago, after 10 hours, I felt you had been treated fairly. You agreed that you would take the help offered, and the council would revisit your censure in three months. Less than 48 hours later you go on Vietnamese TV, bad mouthing our mayor and council members. You totally lied to the mayor and council members. You had no intention of living up to your words. You lied and I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. You represent my city. I expect better. I really expect better with your children in the audience. Chump change, you don't respect your own office. Basically another lie. Amy, we don't need you. Please go quietly into the night. And yes, I wrote every word. Our next speaker is Monique Wynn, followed by Terry Reins. I have to make it short because I have to make it short because I had the mid-for translation for people. So in a fire, people always say, whether fire has to have smoke. There can be smoke or fire can be one without others. So it's hard to believe if Amy doesn't do anything and there is a censure. It doesn't make sense to me. It's so easy to understand. I have a chance to observe the YouTube, you and Nam Kuan On. She said that Nam Kuan, you said, what did you did? The other did too. Which is why it's only you or the censors. You have to pay attention on what you said. It doesn't make sense. And also, in the Chinese pro-worth they would say it's hard, you can easily remove dynasty but very hard to remove people, character and manner. So in that case it kind of makes sense. It's hard to change you. So I think we could just have a male just have to move over as soon as possible. Thank you. Good night. Applause. Next speaker is Terry Reigns, followed by Gil Watts. Thank you for voting to allow us to speak on this today even though we spoke on it yesterday. Your city attorney failed to advise you of this option until I brought it up. It's only fair because the subject matter, Amy Fan West, ditched yesterday's meeting entirely. As the mayor and staff explained yesterday's special meeting was scheduled in early June for the two closed session items. Four of five members affirmed they would attend, including you, Amy. So why did you cancel the last minute Monday night without providing a reason? But yeah, you had time to issue a press release in Tio. Councilwoman criticized as mayor's call for urgent meeting right before the meeting started. Chalkful of false and defamatory statements calling the mayor's actions reckless and abuse of power Man-win did a great job explaining why he added this item to yesterday's agenda You really are in a two-space of work Amy instead of repenting like a true Christian You jumped right back on this Vietnamese media after the June 12 meeting slamming and slandering mayor-win Council members city staff and residents But you weren't alone on June 18th. NamquKWON live streamed two hour 20 minute video with you on his YouTube channel, during which you spewed countless lives and attacked every member of this council. That content was official city business, not found anywhere else in S such case law dictates NAMKWON cannot censor hide critical comments, but he did. They again focused mostly on the original June 12th report, not the late communications or additional items. Why? Mayor Wynn, Charlie wherever you are, I can only hope, imagine how this makes you feel like you've been punched in the gut by two new council members that you've mentored and helped get elected of Amy's important behavior. When she questioned a nervous first time speaker, one of our beloved's tenors, from the diast, demanded to know if she wrote her own comments because quote, they sounded like Terry Rain. And that's Amy on her best behavior. The 17 page RV abuse of power complaint filed by 75 residents against Amy cannot be ignored. It's getting traction on Vietnamese media. Amy, stop lying. You think you're above the law. I cited 11 laws that you have purportedly violated yesterday and other speakers cited your countless ethical violations as well. Mayor Wynn, please stay. We know you were trying to be fair by delaying the resolution, but as you learn, giving a narcissist an inch, they'll take 10,000 miles. Her behavior since due 12th proves she's not sorry for anything. And we'll just continue her abhorrent behavior. I implore you to bring back and approve the resolution of center on August 14th or sooner, and to add sanctions to remove her from all intergovernment boards and internal ad hoc committees for the remainder of her term. I wish you could also suspend her chump change, council pay, and vice mayor Hose I did to hold Amy financially responsible for any lawsuits that arise to her agree just behavior. She's gonna run for another office higher up. She ran for Congress twice, she almost won, she's got a lot of supporters. She feels like this is just chump change, like she's not, she's way overworked and underpaid. Ha! Our panel. Our next speaker is Gil Watts, followed by Tammy Hamill. followed by Tammy Hamel. My name is Gil Watts. I'm a resident of various cities in Orange County. Gil, can you put your mic up to the... Oh, sorry. There we go. Thank you Mayor for letting me speak. And the council members. I'm a U.S. veteran. I fought in the Vietnam War in the 25th And Amy on West has been supporting veterans issues. And we appreciate that very much. We honor her and we appreciate all the efforts that she has put out to support veterans issues in the area. I shop in Westminster, I attend the activities in Westminster, I go to the night market in Westminster, I appreciate Vietnamese food in Westminster. I eat here in Westminster every week. I have, I and the other veterans have been appreciative of I mean, these efforts to support our group of veterans. I belong to the American Legion and I belong to the veterans of foreign wars. Amy has the First Amendment right to speak and to push back on issues that she believes in. And we need people like that who can push back against other people, other council members Council members or other issues of the West Minister. And I feel that she's doing this in good, in honor of her heart. She's speaking from her heart. And this, are we appreciate. She, no one should say to someone else that she should humble herself. That's wrong. She should embrace herself to follow her heart and her integrity to speak. The time is up, sir. I just have a question for you. Yes, sir. You say that you are Vietnam veteran? Yes. Okay. I will address to you later on. Thank you very much. Yes, you are welcome. Thank you for your service. Yes. Thank you. And of course, I'm opposing. All right. Next speaker is Tammy Hamill, followed by our final speaker, Devora Mariscal. Good evening. Tammy Hamill, Westminster resident, District 1. All you say is keep digging your hole. You literally just proved why, again, why this is necessary. You asked the vice mayor if you could speak to the resident, she said no and asked for another speaker and you overrode that and you just started talking. You disrespected her and you basically called a resident a liar. That's wrong. That's wrong. Everything anyone says about you is wrong. Just keep digging. This is you. This is who you are. You have no desire to change. Or like another resident said, maybe you just don't have the ability. Either way, you don't need to be in that seat. This hopefully is just the first step of getting you out of that seat. I noticed Nampuan hasn't been here this entire time. You guys really want to hear what residents are saying. Where's he? Don't care. You literally do not care what we have to say. You voted to not allow, both of you voted to not allow us to speak again. Neither one of you were here last night. So wouldn't you want us to be able to speak again so you could hear what we had to say and you both voted against it? He said it was a waste of time, because that's exactly what you both think. And I know other people that commented on this as well. While the center meeting was going on your husband was out in the lobby Saying that you consider this council seat chump change. If that's correct get out. We know you know how to leave. There's the door. We will, I'm sure we can get some staffer. We'll gather your stuff for you just like last time. And you can get the hell out of here. You are a detriment to the city. You do not give a shit about it. You need to go. I see you taking your little notes. Are you going to turn those over when Terry reigns outspin public request? You're going to turn those notes over so we can see where you're actually writing? I don't even know where else to go. I do want to say, Kimberly, I thank you for what you said about the personal lawsuits because I do also think that I think I said this last year, she did not want the code of ethics. She wanted to get rid of the staff interaction policy because she wanted to behave badly, treat people badly on the city's dime. And if that is possible, she needs to be held accountable for every single one of those actions that she's being centered for. And not if, but when she does them, she needs to be held personally, accountable, and financially accountable so it does not affect the City of Westminster. And when she continues the sanctions, whatever needs to be done to get her out of that seat. She's useless and dangerous to the city, especially continuing to badmouth you guys. Somebody is going to get hurt because of her. And that's when something is really going to have to be done about her. Hopefully it will be jail time. And our final speaker is Devorah Mariscal. Can I use this one? Devorah Mariscal. Please. Miss. Please. Ms. Minister. I may ask you to go back to the podium. Thank you. So I had a business meeting that I had to go to tonight so I wasn't able to get her early. I'm Miss West. Would you be willing to look at me? Please. And keep my attention. I'm in the West. Would you be willing to look at me? Please. And keep my attention. I would appreciate that. As one believer to another, if you could please look at me and put your notes down and I would appreciate your respect because I'm trying to give that to you. Obviously that's not happening right now so that's fine. As one believer to another, I'm going to try to explain this to you in a way that you might be able to understand. James talks about beliefs and actions need to come together. Faith without works is dead. You're dead, Amy. You're absolutely dead because your actions do not line up with the faith that you proclaim. And you can't even look me in the eye, which is totally fine. You can look before God, that's fine. When the woman who committed adultery and Jesus stood before her and said, woman, where are your accusers? Which you won't look at me or anybody else? You're accusers, Amy. Don't look at me. That's fine. You have to stand before God. What did he say? Go and sin no more. Please make this happen. Don't wait until September. I have no further speaker cards. Okay. Thank you very much. Mr. Mayor may I make brief statement? Yes. You promise? Yes. Thank you. I just want to address their concerns. It's important that I address it. So I'm sorry. Right here. G.G. Vaux. You talk about the hawk talk thing. I did no jing, you staff and city manager and city manager set that appointment with Vanessa to talk about how to create this that will benefit the city, bring the community together. So I did GG. and then Yatlin, you say Namguang RIP quoted the Namguang RIP Amy found that the people come and RIP Amy apart every week. I don't know if Namguang, I can't speak for Namguang, he's not here, but I don't know if he's say choking or choking on someone's throat, holding someone's throat. I would not say that. I don't know what Namguang said, so I can't speak for him. And then for Michelle, you say RV parking all over the place. I guess I want to ask the police chief, I don't have any more RVs in the cities that correct. I'm sorry to answer that question. With certainty I would have to actually have to access the DMV database and run cars associated with you. I can tell you for DMV rules I cannot do that under these circumstances. So I would not be able to answer that question. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I don't want to put you on the spot, but with our conversation. Did I mention to you that I don't have any more RVs in the city's accurate. Can I stop you for a minute? You can have the proof respond but not asking questions this time please. Yes, I just want, did I state that I don't have any more RVs accurate? No, that's the question. That's the question. You may just respond to that. Please, see it allowed to have the proof comment. So that's what he asked for. Can you speak? That is correct. You told me you do not have any more Arches. Thank you. Okay. So let me go back To one of the lady who moved to the other city. I appreciate that because I agree with you Completely. Other city. City council have decorum, Have respect. The mayor defend the council and everything goes smoothly. I appreciate that. And I talk to the city of Garden Grove, the mayor over there, city of Irvine, found Valley. I talk to all their council. They have decorum. Everything is orderly. And I love that. And that's what I love. And I wish we have it here in Westminster. So I agree with you. I agree with you with that. Okay, so Claudia. Please, please, no. I appreciate you coming up. I'm sorry, may I speak? Yes. Thank you. That I went and talked bad about the mayor. I went on Namguang Station to recap the eight hours that they dish out made into an hour and a half of what happened. And I haven't even finished the 20 points. So that's what we did. I just recap everything. So people don't have to watch the eight hours. Okay, so Monique, when you said that, you know, that I'm so sorry, let me try to take notes so fast when you're saying so that I call Monique that I call the gang of three on Namguang's die. Because the thing is that you guys can see the vote. I don't want to make that statement. If you see they vote together, then that's the new gang of three. We want transparency, we want independent, mine to represent district one, two, three, and four. So you guys up to you guys to decide who's the new gang of three. Now Terry Rains, I really appreciate you coming and share your concerns. I know you share with so many things in three minutes. But when you talk about, you know, why didn't show up to the closed session yesterday, it's because they talk about the state law re-editing state law that I already know. But those who forgot or don't remember, they can go to that closed session to study on that. Now for the special meeting that the mayor called to revisit 5.2% of the censure council woman, Amy Fan West, that was in 24 hours, so it was uploaded in 24. I don't have time to change my schedule nor do I have time to prepare to defend myself. I don't think I have enough time. So today it gives me another hour, another day to prepare. Okay, so the other one, Gail, thank you so much for coming to support. And you know I always was support Al Vettren and our Vietnamese community because of the partnership that we have in the Vietnam War. And I will always defend our veteran to the end and the land of the free because of the brave. And I am a constitutionalist and I will continue to do that. And then Tammy, say resident is a liar. Nam Khoan is not here. So Nam Kuan is not here. I can't speak on his behalf of what he said on the live because I can't speak for him. You have to ask him. Now when you say, I say resident or liar, please verify that. I don't call resident liar. I just address everything to clarify. And then you said that I and Namguang brought it up, the gang of three. And now it's up to you guys to see who's voting, the three vote move everything. So who has a three vote, is up to the public decide who's a new gang of three. We want transparency, we want democracy. Okay, so may I finish the last one? Please, order a sporter please. Yes, let her finish. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So regarding Devor, I know that you want me to look in your face. I did look in your face by taking notes as well because it is important for me to know what you're saying. So that's why now I can respond back to you. I can't remember all of your guys' comments. So that's why I'm taking notes. Now when you're talking about religion and you quote that about the adulteress who basically Jesus said, who's your accuser, go and send them more. I love that verse because it's true, God is gracious. And not only that, God say who's your accuser. He does it whenever through the first stone. I don't want to go into the first stone. You throw the first stone. I think that's for each of us to take inventory of our own lives. That's why I don't throw the first stone. I check an inventory of myself. And if you don't think that you are subject to your emotions and your thoughts and it's okay And this is what I know for me Amy fan west and I take inventory of my action my thought And I will continue to be true to my values and my integrity and my character If you don't like my character then that's your opinion and it's okay if it is thank you Well, I'll be with I will be because some of the things that you said just now it's not the flag of what they were saying so I have to speak for them. Number one you said that you don't hear none of the ones talking about slap or slap on the face and I was so choking. The video, I mean, see play the script for you. Yes, but I can't speak for you. You understand Vietnamese? It's right there. If you want to, I can ask her to play it again. I can't speak. I said I cannot speak on Namp Rang behalf. I don't know why he said that. You said that you said that. I say I don't know why he said that. You said that. You said that. I say, I don't know why he said that, but I would never say that. That's the. Yes. The second one is you said, let's say that you said you are not offended us. You know, right, the next day on your Facebook, you came out with the letter. You called out to three of us. Power hunger. You go back your Facebook and greet that letter. It's your letter, not anybody else. OK? All right? You don't think it's power hunger? Why would you call for this meeting when we have a walk-in item? Reconciliation. I am going to brief. I let you talk about it. Now it's my turn. You said that the game up three, you don't know that. You were on the YouTube with Namquan, and you see if I'm sure that you will take a look at that. You don't know at that time, after that you would reveal that the three pictures of all three of us say the game of three. Have you asked, and I'm going to asked them because that was true at the beginning? Okay. Right. And not anymore. Now, the open section 24 hours. Don't even blame on that because the 24 hours that I call for this personal meeting is for open section. The closed section have already coined it with you 21 days ahead of. Yes, this call for re-edirates the law of the state of California. Not at the closed section. Yes, we aim on that. You may- City Attorney and Christine have addressed us the day before what the closed session would be like. Would be that discuss. So we told him that we cannot make it the day before because we have a meeting together regarding planning processing application for planning that sometimes it dropped a ball and other people cannot apply and get their part to go. Let me just jump in real quickly just to clarify something because we were doing brief response to public comment, right? So I would just say that can you end that? And then because now we're really onto the agenda item which is basically what you're doing. You're discussing now. I just want to respond to you. I'm sorry, I didn't catch your name. Gail. And I appreciate that you know for the time that you know and the effort that you've been fighting for the freedom of Vietnam. And I value that a lot. Just brief for you because you didn't know what happened. I hope that you were at the 50th anniversary that the celebration of this anniversary in Anaheim. We all the council invited to do that. the celebration of this anniversary in Anaheim. We all the council invited to do that. But then they allow only one person to speak. And I already prepared to go there. See, ask me what? I already prepared my speak. Can I talk. Can I speak on your behalf? And I said, well, I am the mayor. And I'm going there. If I go there and I let you as a young guest or a freshman to represent the city on my behalf, then I rather not go. I thought that, understand it. You know what? See, ask me, can you stay home? Do you believe that what's it is and see did that? And then also I prepare a so-to-vest not tradition. I ask her to give it to the other two councils, because he already speak on behalf of the city, give their certificate for recognition to the other two councils so they can, so they can share the roles, you know, when I'm not there, see it at all by herself. So this is something that I want to tell you that how it's happened to me. So anyway, I don't want to go on because that's good enough. Every but all what you said, okay, Gail, I will talk to you later. Thank you. Okay, you can talk to me later. Okay. With that, where are we at this point? Oh, so petty. Okay, we are going to move on with this item. At this time, I would like to open up for the council question and comments. And then we'll take that action. I'm sorry. I hope for what. I advise you your whole and council member Menzoe, you are the one who opposed and then we recommend to bring this item back to. So are you? Okay. Mayor, I'm sorry. Okay. So. Okay. I'm going to ask you to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask me to ask you to ask me We are talking about the same topic and I will say what I want to say. I think it's best for you to listen. All right, so Amy Fan West has no desire to change. Okay, from the 20 points listed on the censure, I hope you study them and change as recommended by the majority council of this council. But you didn't. We gave you, and as a matter of fact, it was the mayor's generous effort to save you, to give you a chance, you rather than taking that opportunity to change to accept your mistakes and begin to change. No, you did not do that. You went out, you went on air and you blasted us, and also you post on your Facebook. And the mayor already mentioned that. So, Miss Fisens is the willful in appropriate action or intentional incorrect action or advice. Malfeezans is the willful and intentional action that injures a party. Malfeezans is an act of outright sabotage in which one party to a contract commits an act that causes intentional damage. Excessive malfeasance, the fact of someone in a position of authority intentionally doing something dishonest or illegal, these laws were put in place to discourage malfeasance by public officials. If I recommend that if any lawsuits, if any lawsuits arise from those points listed, the 20 points that we spent, yes, we did, we spent five hours. As if we, the day after, two days later, not even two days, I'd say day and a half later, the same thing, the ranting, the going on air, bad melting, and the lying on all that started all over again as if we didn't have the five hour session. If any lawsuits arise from those points listed in the censure that led to litigation, if they sue the city, if they name you, Amy Fan-West individually in the lawsuit, you are responsible for again, it would prove that Ms. Fan West acts with the intent to commit the unlawful act, committing malfeasance intentionally committing what she knows as wrongful or unlawful, especially by an elected official. If you are sued relating to any of these 20 points, it is the city's intent not to defend you in the lawsuit. Today, I would like to make this as the official statement of the council's intent. The reason we must make it clear to protect our city again, to protect our city. It is we are to distance the city, this city council from Amy Fan West doing. We are calling you out and to let everyone know this is your own doing and not the city's doing. I don't care if you don't want to listen, but we need to take that proper step and move on with the censure. I would also ask the City Council to sanction Ms. Fan West by removing her off of all her boards that she is serving on. From now until the end of her term, we again need to protect our city from lawsuits and and confined contain the liability and that is Miss Amy Fan West. Make Amy Fan West hold her accountable and liable for her actions. Period. I thank you. I'm going to try to keep this short. The vice mayor already said enough and the mayor already made some points. I'm sure a lot of the community has already seen for a year and a half the how my colleague conducts herself. She claims the victim earlier, she claimed that other cities conduct themselves in a more professional manner. But the fact of the matter is that what she claims is the violation she commits is not normal to you know I mean let me backtrack it's okay for council members to have a disagreement up here in the dius and you know I know I voted with with her multiple times on different issues that she brought to the table which is fine sometimes we agree sometimes we don't. The meeting is over. You move on. It's not normal for after the meeting to go on social media, to go on YouTube and start bashing her colleagues for not voting in her way. That's the chaos that's created here in this city. And I agree we need to move forward, we need to get past this, we need to get back to working together, finding a way just to be professional up here, have our conversations or dialogue, you move on to the next one. That's what we have to do for the sake of the community. The mayor, his motion to give Councilmember an opportunity to reconcile and move in a positive direction was originally I was like, I wasn't too sure then, but let's give her the benefit of the doubt. And not she and my colleague, she had all the control was on her. She had the power to conduct herself in the manner where come September 11th, the censured wooden go through. And it's all on her behavior, her actions going forward. And I was hopefully hoping that that was a case so we can just give pastes and give back to the business of the community. But unfortunately, that did not happen. And I'm tired of this chaos myself. I just have a day job that's pretty stressful and I have a family and there's not good for the community. The community we need to get, but there's a lot of, let me make this point, we have a lot of residents. And district one are very concerned about a potential, and district one are very concerned about a potential, you know, potential issue that can, can put it negatively impact in their view, in their way of life and their community, but here we are dealing with these kinds of things where we should be listening to them and acting, and their behalf and listening to what they have to say. But here we are again with this topic. But let my colleagues continue with their dialogue. And let's just get past this. We have to do that we don't act, then we're not listening to the community. We don't act that we're doing at this service to the community by saying that it's okay for us to behave and unprofessionally up here, and it's not okay. And if any of us are here, acted that way, then I would hope that my colleagues and would also call out that other council member for misbehaving that way. So let's just move on and do what we have to do. So thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council member West. Let me make this statement and then I will come back to you because I will give you a chance. Thank you. Thank you, Fred prayer that way. I'm sorry to see that and I didn't have a chance to respond to a council member, Nam Kwan. As he said that this is a waste of time, he'll get up and go. If you were at the meeting yesterday, because of the new thing that added to the list, and I make it very clear to everyone, I want to be fair with the Council Member West, so that we have to continue this item, otherwise we can go ahead and close it out yesterday already. But I want to make sure that Council Member West today, either I use this exact word as rebut or defend herself. That's what I did yesterday. So that's the reason why we today, Vice Mayor Hall, want to go over so that Council Member West, knowing what is going to be, if there is a decision to move forward, what is going to be in the resolution? And that's the reason why I open up for Councilmember, I mean, Vice Mayor Ho, to speak about the action that's you want to add to the list. Now, with that, I'd like to open up for you to go ahead and respond to this. Okay. Do you want Ms. Vice Mayor to tell what she added to the list or? She said, if you haven't heard about it, then why don't I ask Vice Mayor Ho? Please, briefly go for it. If she wants to say it again. Please, said it. Yeah, so I know. So basically she wants to remove me and sanction and then also all the city attorney privilege to be gone. I got it. Okay, so let me not my turn city attorney privilege. What does that mean? I'll explain. Thank you. I'll explain. May I explain? No, it's my turn. May I rebuttal? No, I just want to make sure you heard it right. Well, I will. Yeah. Okay, so let me address Ms. Vice-Mayer Ho. Okay, so no desire to change the 20 points. That's your accusation of me to change and basically accept my wrongdoing. The thing is that it comes across as silencing my free speech. I mean the change, it seems like if the lawsuit, I mean the centering, if I look at it, I'm going to briefly make the statement, okay. This is Amy leaving the diast texting, speaking, allocating with speakers, disruptive, leaving the council meeting. Maybe I need use a bathroom. And as a woman, I know I'll use a bathroom longer than most of you guys. And as a woman, I'm not in menopause. Of course, once a month we have our issue, I might go longer than most guys, and it's okay, that's normal, and texting is fine. So if you say I violate any of those 20 points, I guess my question is how does city attorney and staff manage of that liability? I mean, all of you guys take a bathroom break, leave the dius text message, so does it mean that go across the board of all of us or just silencing me targeting only me the voice of district one? That's unacceptable. I mean, all of us, and we're elected on the council, all of us get the city attorney privilege to protect across the board, each of the council, because we are elected in different district. And we have that city attorney privilege to protect us and protect us from against help us against lawsuit to the city. So therefore when you take that away how are you going to manage I guess that's more of the city attorney answer a question for you if you can give me an answer later. Mr. City attorney, my question is how do we go about? How would it look? How would it look realistically? How would you manage that? How would you manage that if I violate, you know, text messaging, if I violate leaving the diocese to use a bathroom, how do you guys monitor that if there's a lawsuit someone sue me, oh, I left to the bathroom break. How does that look practically? Because that's one of the 20 points accusation. Can I bring to the respond? Let me just, so what I heard. Yes, go ahead. Yeah, what I heard was that you were expressing an intent that if a lawsuit arose in the future, now you can't make that decision now. On this point, yeah. You would ultimately, the decision itself to not defend you would have to be made at the time of the lawsuit was actually filed. So there's no lawsuit right now, but what I heard was that if a lawsuit arose, the council would be expressing an intent not to defend you if you were individually named, not the city. Of course, the city would have to be defended. But oftentimes, lawsuits are filed where the city's name does it defend it and sometimes a council member's name because of actions that they did. So what I heard was that expressing an intent that if something arose that was a lawsuit related to the 20 points in the censure that the council at this time is expressing an intent, assuming this was adopted, that they would not defend you individually in that lawsuit. Because they're essentially saying, well, we warned you, don't do this kind of activity and if a lawsuit results, we're not going to defend you. And if that's essentially what she's saying. I don't think it, she's not saying we would not be able to communicate because that's really important that we continue to do that so that I can advise what not to do or things of that nature conflicts. This has to do with if a lawsuit is filed in the future, at least that's what I'm saying is how would you monitor that? So what I'm understanding is any lawsuit that in address councilwoman Amy Fan West from violating, she leaves the bathroom too much or she doesn't look at the residence face. Then basically it's a someone complaint and file that lawsuit. It doesn't apply to that. No, it doesn't apply to that at all. It doesn't apply to that at all. It says I broke the code of ethic and not looking at the speakers. So what's being discussed right now if it's okay is a resolution of censure, which has been stated is really a resolution expressing dissatisfaction with your actions and such. And then that's really all of this. dissatisfaction with your actions and such. I understand that. I'm talking about the last added yesterday, which is her addition of not letting me have city attorney protection because of all of this 20 accusation. So how would you monitor that? Because I want to know. It would only arise if it's okay. It would only arise if a lawsuit was filed and at that point the council would talk about it and say that you were named individually in this lawsuit and we don't feel that the city is responsible for this and we're not going to defend you. That's what they're saying. It would only arise in that. May I give you an example? May I just give you an example may I just give you an Excercity kind of turn you and I didn't let me just give an example city attorney I want to make sure because he's attorney I want to make sure we're in line with you know liability and law so What you're saying is that say any of this point 20, someone file a complaint like lawsuit naming me, Amy specifically just choose one, okay? Go on social media or go on television accusing staff, okay? Or accusing the council, defamation, whatever they want to say. So then, therefore, you guys, so if it's on this 20 lists, you're saying that I cannot, you guys cannot defend me, right? Yes, yes, exactly right. Yes. So then, basically, okay, so then you see how ridiculous the phone is not talking to the attorney because I want to follow law. So city attorney, we hire you for law. So for example, violation A, code of ethics, leaving the dius, say someone file in my name saying she left the dius too often. That's in the dius. And so therefore you guys are not going to defend me. Let me defend myself, put my money out to defend this lawsuit that I left the dius too often. Let me check the attorney. No, I just want to know law. So you respond to what you just said. I'm asking for law. I'm asking for law. I want legal a vise law. I don't violate. I want to make sure that's why we hired the city attorneys for that. City attorney, please answer me. If there was a lawsuit coming toward me naming me, violation of ethics section 2A2C to a violating that leaving the diast texting arguing and verbally allocate allocation with speakers. Say that. Okay. Now what's going to happen? First of all, most of those things would not be actionable. Someone couldn't file a lawsuit. I'm not sure if it was saying defamation type. So that's why then you can't say the 20 points. That's stupid. Why don't you guys say those points of what? Let me respond to you. I mean, this is ridiculous. Example that you gave earlier, you said that if you accuse, or you talk, I can say, makes your association to staff. And staff, if you make a accusation, it's not true, they can sue you by that. Oh, I know that, that's the law. But the thing is that I go on social media, I present facts. So why didn't staff sue me yet? And what if, when? Because it's not legal, it's not valid, and court of law So therefore I went on television because they asked me to go and talk about council stuff Okay, so I presented facts if it's facts people cannot sue you I have text message with staff and this is facts So go ahead staff if you want staff to sue me go ahead sue me I really think that's inappropriate. Can we just leave staff on this? Charlie, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is then staff can sue. Go ahead. Okay. If I may, can't antagonize staff about this. If it's a monthly council, please can you just fight amongst the council? Well, please. Product staff. Council. Please. But you brought it. You brought it. You say, say, if I talk about staff, consume me, I go, I understand that. If I talk something falsely, yes, staff consume me, anyone consume me. If I defame it. But the thing is that I didn't. I present facts. And that's all I do. Because I know the law. We cannot talk anything of opinion. Opinion's opinion. that's why with Namguang, whatever he say, I cannot speak on his behalf, that's his. I'm Amy Fang West, that's Namguang, I cannot speak on his behalf, whatever he does, whatever he says is up to him. You have to ask him, don't ask me, I can't defend him. Yeah, that's correct, ask me. Are you gonna say something? Oh, yes. Yes. Can I say something to Muir? How I guess I'm on the juror, right, in a way of, I mean, on the, basically I have to defend myself, right? But also may I finish? I miss the mayor. the majority of the council accused me of being west for 20, what? I don't. Then you have to let me defend myself. Sometimes I go to different laws to take months and years. Okay. I'm listening. Okay. May I finish defending myself? Thank you. Okay, may I finish defending myself? Thank you. Okay, so let me go back to this. So, council member, hoe, talk about that. So let me address that and finish her accusation of me. So you guys know. Okay, so she said to City have to Distain from councilwoman Amy Fanw fan was that come across as bias come across as discrimination I mean yes you guys have the majority you guys can do whatever you want you can vote whatever you want but your vote will what tonight everyone's looking it will reflect on your election Kimberly Ho and Manzou this November. So whatever you guys do, people see it. If you guys are in just unfair because now you guys have the majority, you can censor me on item that is unfair, unjust, and not there's no legal ground. I mean, I talked to many of my couple of few of my friends who are turning in New Probe age. They look at this accusation and they laugh. Because they say all of this would not stick in the court of law. None of this would stick. This is just pettiness and waste of time and city resources. If they have some, this is what they said to me. If they have some, you know, disagreement with you and don't like how you do, they should take you aside and talk to you privately. That is what I expect. You guys never took me a sigh and talked to me about your concern. You just put on here to center because you have the majority. I know what you guys will do, you guys have the majority, you guys can do whatever you want. You know, I can't change that until the next election. But the thing is that that's up to you guys, but the people is looking at your decision tonight. Okay, so now let me address Mr. Monzo. I guess you say I claim as a victim, a city, more professional. The thing is that my action, I guess my question to you is you say that I claim as a victim. So what have I done even today? That's unprofessional. Maybe things I do you don't like and it's okay that you're subject to your opinion and your feelings. I'm not here to change that. I accept your opinion and accept your feelings, whatever you think. But that doesn't change the fact of black and white. Black and white on here, that's why I say my attorney, lawyer friends, look at this, and they say, even dare you to sue me in the court of law. It wouldn't even stick, okay. It wouldn't even stick. Okay? It wouldn't even stick. And so the thing is that you guys throw anything up here to see what stick on the wall to discredit me, make me look bad in front of my voters. But you know what? I have brought before to all of you guys in the last eight hours on June 12th. You guys berated me and from my kids who willingly come out for eight hours to watch you guys berate their moms. Mom, and the thing is that you didn't apologize of what you did wrong, but the very thing you accused me of, you do. You do. You walk off the dius many times you saw today, the mayor, everyone, you guys go to the bathroom, go back to eat, or go back to take coffee break. That's normal. Normal. All of that is normal. Nothing is illegal about it. It's just, you guys don't like me. It's okay. And you know, but if you don't like me, I would love to work with you guys. You know, but you know, many if you don't like me, I would love to work with you guys You know, but you know many of our colleagues counsel from other city and mayor that Mutual friends have told me that Ms. Vice Mayor Kimberly you don't want to sit down with me I beg him to be the mediator So in that way we can talk I'm willing to do that, but you don't want to you tow him straight today is the thing that she said. Yes, absolutely. But you're not going back all the 20 items and going. No, no, no, I'm coming back on her item. I took notes, Mr. Mayor. So now I finish, now I'm going to Mr. Monzo. Okay, so going on, Vimey's television radio to speak bad about you, that's what you said. So I did not. Let me repeat again with Namguang as my witness. We went on there for an hour and a half, talk recap of the eight hours agenda, what happened. That's it for people brief, like a cliff note. What's wrong with that? Can we have cliff notes? And that's what we presented. That's it. And whatever he said is on him, not me. You ask him what he say. Okay, so another thing. So the other thing is you want to silence my voice because you don't want Mr. May, may I finish? I just feel like they keep interrupting. Okay, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So basically, when you don't want me to go on Vimeas Television because they want to ask about the city issue, you're trying to silence my voice. That's the first amendment. If you value the Constitution, you should allow people to speak however. That's why where I fled from, come this country, which a lot of residents here understand. No, no, no. If you have to go about that. Well, I am addressing, he wouldn't let me go speak. OK, and that's why I'm telling him. This is a democracy. So that's why I'm saying, that's all I'm saying. It's democracy. Let's act like one. It's not a communist country. OK, fourth. Power to control my behavior and character. That's what you mentioned that I have the power to do absolutely, absolutely. I have the power to control my behavior, my character. And so far, the people can be the witness who's watching this, they can see what my character like. So it's up to them, up to you. I have that control and that's correct. And then it looks like you and a few residents here have a narrative that you've been spewing about me since day one, since I got elected. And you just see, you know, the longer you spew, you hope that it was stick. And it's unfortunately, that's what you're doing when you are telling me that, you know, this is who you, you hope that it was stick. And it's unfortunately, that's what you're doing when you are telling me that this is who Amy is, who will never change. But the thing is that my character is my character, my integrity is my integrity. You just don't like who I am. And it's okay, so you're opinion. So that's fine. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay, so let me re-regarding the character that you mentioned. One of the residents in District 1 with his five family members, he wrote this regarding character that Mr. Men's will mention. To the Mayor and Council regarding revisiting item 5.2 on the agenda to censure councilwoman Amy Fan West. A few weeks ago, I took the time to watch the entire meeting online throughout the meeting. I patiently waited for the undeniable evidence that would justify censoring councilwoman Amy Fan West thus leaving no doubt that the council action, that three of you guys were necessary. Unfortunately, there was no such evident, no none whatsoever. After watching the entire public forum, I noticed a consistent message from the proponent to silence councilwoman West. A similar message level of hostility and personal insults with a select group of Westerners are resident toward Councilwoman Amy-Fan West has been publicly displayed since she was sworn in a year and a half ago. I found many of these tactics so distasteful that I met with Mayor Nguyen last November to voice my concerns. While I wouldn't discuss the detail of the private meeting here, it is no secret that Councilwoman Amy Fanwess have been the target of malicious attacks. Instead of the Council producing a smoking gun from the 5.2 agenda to Center Councilwoman Amy Fanwess, we got a clear view of the smoke and mirror tactic of the 5.2 agenda. This is an agenda that began the day she was sworn in. Councilwoman Amy Fanwess has fulfilled her duties to her district one and the city Westminster. Moving forward with this political stunt sets a president that will only create more gridlock that we, the resident, cannot afford to endure as a city. Thank you for your time and consideration, Council Mayor. Please note to censor councilwoman Amy Fanwess and Ceeley John, resident of district one and five other family members. That's what he wrote regarding character. Okay, the next one. Mr. Monzo say your action tonight is okay. So basically I want to say that whatever you guys decide, Mr. Monzo, your vote, your election is November and you're in district two. People will see what you're doing if you're fair, if you're just. I just feel like Mr. Mayor and Kimberly's dragging you into this. I know that you're a good guy, you want to do well for the resident, to be honest with you. You want to do well for the resident. And I just feel like you're dragging to this. And then your election is this November, like make a decision to show the public. I think you know what I mean? Are you done? No, now I'm going to your what you stated, so I can rebuttal, remember? You want me to rebuttal, thank you Mr. Mayor. Okay. Okay, I'm talking to her right now. They're speaking, they're keeping to it. Okay, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay, so Mr. Mayor, you said NAMGWANG has statement earlier. I don't know, you know, whatever you want to address him, you can. But I don't know. What has his chance? So, and then the next one, you say new things added to the council last night. Yes, I understand that. I watch it this morning. And yes, I know what was added. And so that's why I talked to the city attorney to see if he can do a research of other nearby centering. Any process like that of basically removing the ability of attorney, privilege of a detection of the council member. Have you witnessed and see any of that around the centering in Anaheim to the lady in Cyprus or whatever. Have you seen any around Orange County that they go to this far extent of taking a council attorney protection and privilege away from that council member? You said that you're addressing my comments. I didn't say that. I said they added. I said anything about censoring you. Okay. No, you said they added new thing because you didn't come yesterday. That's what you told me. So I say okay, the new thing is that. So I'm asking City Attorney, have you seen any city nearby with a centering if they added to this extent? Have you seen it, Mr. City Attorney? No, I have not. No. Okay. And then is it even legal for the Council to vote to move forward with this? Is this even legal ground for the city? If a lawsuit is filed and if it names an individual council member, the council would make a decision at that time depending on the situation. If the situation is such that the council doesn't feel that this is an action of the city, they could make a decision not to defend the individual. They would have to defend the city. Let me respond to that. I appreciate that you are trying to explain to us. But we have the policy for sanctioned. You read that. What did they say in the policy for sanctioned? Can you read work by word? In the policy on sanctions, it refers to the possibility. You have censure and then you have sanctioned. Right, sanctioned. I'm talking about that. Yeah, the sanctions deal with removal from city boards. That's right. That's fine. Yeah, but he's talking about the attorney protection. So basically you're removing me. That's what's added with Vice Mayor Kimberly yesterday night. She add that extra to it. She wants to- Mr. Mayor to add to see a tenet of question. Oh no, you're just not your turn. Let me finish. Yeah, let me finish. Thank you. So city attorney, so you answered to me, I guess you answer that you haven't seen to this extent yet with the center in Orange County at any city, right? Is that correct? I'm confirming. To that. I haven't seen this in a center resolution. But. Yes. Okay. To remove the count. Let me rephrase it. To remove the council from the attorney privilege of protection. This defendant. Now I know city attorney. We have the normal law that if it's personal say I got in a car accident and you guys are not going to defend me. That's rightly so. You guys shouldn't because it's my personal car accident, right? Then I should have my own attorney and and file the paperwork normally. That's correct. We have that in every city. Now when she is taking to the next level vice mayor of saying that any of this 20 item, you know if I was, this is all political. So if I hated a council member, you know what I would do? I would file a claim in the name of councilwoman Amy Fanwesson, say, you know what? She break this law of falsely going on social media and talk about staff or council. But the thing is that you didn't even know when I speak in Vietnamese, if I actually say bad things about the council or the staff, so you have to vet that, right? Are there a process of that, right? And like I said, I'm gonna always present facts on social media, on television when they ask. In opinion, I would say, you know, this is my personal opinion, that's what I always say. Now, how would you process that? Say, I went on social media and someone put a claim in my name saying councilwoman went on Namguang's show and just said bad thing about the council Mayor Chi Chowling went so now how would you how would you monitor that how would you how would that process work Because I still don't understand that. It is depending on what language you're sitting on. How you present it. That's when it's the matter. I want legally, because I want it in black and white. So in that way, I know the law, if I violate it, you guys know staff knows what to do to me. Okay? So that's what I want to know. City Attorney, may you answer? I can't address a specific situation because it could be any loss for any number of reasons. So you would have to look at it at the time. And I think you used a good example of private auto accident. Clearly that's your responsibility. So if a lawsuit were filed naming you, the key here is is it involving city business in your roles a council member that sort of thing and so an individual Decision would have to be made at that time based on the majority Yes, okay, so then as we know this Whatever you want to say this group of majority is going to do everything to censure me and that's fine. Whatever you want or to take my city attorney privilege away. And as you say city attorney, that never happened in any centering throughout the city of Westminster. Have you never been a city attorney? I ask for question, but please don't say it. I'm asking city attorney. how long have you been a city attorney how long have you been a city attorney I'm practicing municipal law 24 and a half 24 years and you haven't seen any of this so this is so let me ask you city attorney so this is a new of targeting a council member, is that correct? You can't answer. You can ask the question. Let him answer. No, no, no, no. I don't want to know. I'm asking him a question because I want to know. Anyone on spot for things that they're not happening yet. So that's. I'm trying to understand the law. No, I can't. And I want a black and white so staff know the direction because we have to give staff direction right? Is that correct Mr. Mayor? No. If you go into the details which is not happening yet we don't know what is happening right now. But we give an example because I need to see how you guys going to basically how is this going to be implemented? I honestly want to know, because it's coming to ridiculous time. Well, you're turning after time, and if you don't think it's right, then you can sue it back, okay? So then, do you guys reliable lawsuit? Is that what you're trying to say? I mean, if you don't think it's right, okay? And everybody, anyone can help a lot. Because don't I have the right to ask how this is implemented? If you guys gonna do this to me. Mr. Mayor, I think. Taking my city attorney privilege away. I was here to ask. Well, the way he asks is different than sit-state. No, I say how would it be implemented? Because I need to know. I don't see any. If you're going to go on with that. How much more do you go on this? I mean, don't I have to write? How much more that you're going on this? I give you five more minutes, please. No, you cannot do that. Five minutes. Because it doesn't make sense. At this point, and when Colossment This point is not fair. This point is not fair. It's not democracy. So when one of your members is talking and then you let them talk forever. No. Yes. Yes. Let me do it. No. Okay. You did last time. And you want to censure me tonight. You want to sanction me. And you want to take my city attorney. Let's take the city attorney. Let's take the city attorney. Let me you did you did last time and you want to censure me tonight You want to sanction me and you want to take my city attorney privilege away I have every right to ask the question how is gonna be implemented Yes, let me let me let me say it first Let me let me say it and I will turn it back on. I am saying that Hold on it's my time. That's the way you do it. I do it. Okay, right now right now I want to mute so that I can talk to you because you are not going to listen Okay, I am going to give you another five minutes to go ahead and conclude yours, okay? And then no, hold on, hold on. See, you're still talking over me. Let me finish and I will turn you back on. I ask you if I can give you five more minutes to go ahead and finish your portion so that I can invite him because he has not got the chance to talk about it. Okay? You have, doesn't matter, okay? Doesn't matter. We have to, we have to be friends with each other. So I give you five moments to go ahead and finish that and so and so. Putting on the stand, me on the stand district one on the stand. You're putting district one on center, you're putting district one on sanction, you're putting district one on removing my city attorney privileges, a protection. I mean, you are science the voice of district one. So I have every right to defend myself and defend District 1 that voted for me. The people have the right to and a half more years. They can vote me out if they don't like me. But the majority voted me in. I have to represent their voice until they don't want me anymore. So that's what I'm doing. You cannot silence. So when you sanction me, you censure me, I have the right to defend myself in the court of law. Sometime the case take months and years. You have to let them defend themselves as long as possible. That is not right for you to do that. Council member West, I need to silent you all this time. I just silent you so that I can get. No, I'm talking about you allow me five more minutes. You don't allow me five more minutes. You don't allow me five more minutes. You don't allow the resident of a district want just five more minutes to defend themselves. When their representative is being censured, remove from committee and remove from city attorney privileges. If there's a motion. What the heck? Yeah, this is ridiculous. That's a things are ridiculous. I know you guys are going to do what you do tonight. You should let her to the... You should let her defend herself. Yeah, let me defend myself. I'm defending this tomorrow. You guys just go ahead, you know, accuse her of doing what you can. I want to take a final and if we say... Do the wrong thing and then you don't let her to deface herself. Come on. Please. I would like to be convened the city council meeting for open session for special meeting and vocal please. Mayor Wynne. I'm here. Vice Mayor Ho. Here. Councilwoman Fanlost. Fanlost here. Thank you. Councilmember Bonzo. Here. Councilmember Wynne. I'm here. Mayor, you have a quorum with all members present. Thank you. Councillor Monzo. Here. Councillor Wen. I'm here. Mary, you have a quorum with all members present. Thank you very much. It is 10 o'clock right now and I would like to move to extend the 8 hours. Okay, motion is second on the floor. Thank you. I have a motion made by Mayor Wen. Second made by Councillor Wen. This is to extend the meeting past 10 p.m. Percity policy. I'll go to call roll. Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West, yes. Councilmember Monzo. Yes. Councilmember Winn. Yes. Vice Mayor Hill. Yes. Mayor Winn. Yes. I should carry you 5-0. Okay. Before I come, I'm going to recognize some member of the wing. Let me go ahead and make it clear to you again. I did not intend to silent you. All I want is I want to make sure that I get your body in of what I'm about to ask you. I would like to ask you if you can go ahead and go on for another five minutes and then geo that to council member number one. Whether he wants or not, I want to be fair to have him to get a chance. If he doesn't want to, he can geo that time back to you or to the council. So that's the reason why I want to talk to you, but you continue to go on. Therefore, I have decided you so that I can make it my point. Okay? Mr. Mayor, I appreciate you want to be fair. Now, at this time, I would like to recognize Council Member Nguyen. But I have finished. Council Member Nguyen. Okay, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay. We're going to go back to you later. Thank you.. Mayor. We're going to go back to you later. Thank you. After my speech here. Okay. Before I talk about my... Because actually, before I... My opinion, I'm going to read the letter that sent my mailbox in regard of this issue. This is from Rob Johnson. Council member Kimberley-Hose and Carlos Manso are the one violating the Court of Ethics by knowing making false statements about Councilwoman Amy Feng West. First, the whole man's own written list of accusation that the city attorney and city manager approved included a false claim that Council member West did the following. Quote, accusing staff of taking bribe for special treatment. End quote, counsel woman West never set the word. Open quote, bribe, end quote. And never made such an acquisition about staff. Breibnery is a quick pro quo between an official and another person that the official engaged in actions in exchange for financial or other consideration. Since Councilwoman West never used the word bride and never made such an acquisition of staff, it is the whole slash manzo team who have violated the city's code of ethics, of false accusations. Number two, the whole manzoz. Written list of accusations includes a false claim that council member West no one submitted a false police report pertaining to the council member Carlos miss, miss, or ganis. to the Council Member of the Council, Miss Organist, Manzo's harassment and physical intimidation of Council Member West, the whole Manzo team claimed that Council Member West did not have a good faith belief in her acquisitions against Council Member Carlos Ms. Organist, Manzo. Any regional reveal of cities' video clearly shows the following about the man's plan as Manzo. Sick food, chewing Manzo'sowering over the five foot height, petite councilwoman, Fan Wes. Manzo blocking council member Wes from leaving the dies. Manzo stepping closer to get in Wes's face. Manzo attempting to demean council member Wes by stating her parents would be ashamed of her. Based on the video and testimony of Council Member West, it is clear that Council Member West had a reasonable and good faith belief in the accuracy of her statements in the police report. Since Council Member West had a good faith belief of her statements, the police report was not no five forms. The whole man's written list of accusations includes a false claim against Council member West, which violates the which wireless the city's code of ethics. That's one of the email that I had sent to my mailbox. There's a lot more, but I don't want to waste time. I just go back to my note here. First of all, I want to ask the senior attorney that how is this possible that the majority come up with a list of rules or policy that just apply to a certain council member. In this case, it's Councilwoman Fang West. So if, you know, in the future, other Council members, that violates that 20 points that Vice Mayor Ho brought up and then how the city going to defend that Council members. That's a question for you first. The resolution of censure is merely a statement. It's not an action. So what was being talked about tonight is not removing anything really. It's just a statement of disapproval statement of, yeah, the dissatisfaction with actions. It's really what it is. It doesn't have a sanction to it. The sanction issue of removal from boards, that's something that could be done, but direction would have to be provided to come back. The added from Vice Mayor, the added yesterday of the return. Yeah, again, it's a statement. It's just a statement of intent. It's not actual action, okay? Same with the issue of the defending and elosute. We have no elosute to act on, so there can't be any action. What we're talking about tonight is a resolution of censure, which is a statement of disapproval and a repudiation of actions that they believe were incorrect or bad or inappropriate. So that's all we're talking about is a- But we need to know how's it implemented? Council member West let that know implementation of it. Let's also continue. Okay, let me make it clear. So everything that council member Hall said earlier about not defend council member West. Is that possible? Again, tonight is really just an expression of intent. If a lawsuit is filed in the future and that comes to the city council, then the council would look at the facts of that situation and then make a decision as to whether or not a defense would be mounted or not. Okay, let's go back to my earlier question then. I want to make it clear again. So just in case that, I mean like if this majority of the council go into pass the resolution tonight with the added from the council member hall, then that rules go into apply solely to the council member west, not the entire, not the rest of the council, right? Yeah, a resolution of censure is directed at council member west, so it's an expression that specific, they're disapproving of them. And it is declaring their intent. Thank you. I see that, Tony. If you want to hear about my opinion, let me tell you this. The way that I see this, the whole thing, five hours, almost six hours that, you know, debating, fighting, in fighting each other, is a waste of time. And then yesterday, another special meaning over this thing. And now it drag on to this and to today. And all I think of is this is a political revenge. That Koso member hold and Koso member months of put on, because of women from West. I can say that's my opinion and nobody going to take that away from me. That's my, that the constitution guarantee me that. And one of the reasons that we came up with the rec conciliation and moving forward is we want to heal the wound that opened up by Council Member Manzo and Council Member Ho, who is the ones that do this to the former Mayor Chita and the then, you know, Vice Mayor Charlie. And we don't want that to keep on going, we just want us, the, this council members body, this council body to work with each other and moving forward. And then you guys don't allow it for us to walk on. Okay, I just say it from my heart. I'm going to allow it for us to walk on. Okay, I just say it from my heart. And you guys, like something going on in your mind, and then you guys just don't realize the truth. think about the good thing, think about the bigger picture. Moving the city forward, that's all we want, that's all I want. Other than that, this Council member in fighting will, you know, get on forever until the new Council members came in this November. I just don't want this. We waste time up staff. We've winced our staff time. The PD's time. We, you know, our times and the residents time. I wanted to stop here. And as I said before, if sincerely ask you guys to consider this. Other than that, nobody going to win. Are you back? Okay. Thank you very much. That's a testament. Thank you very much. Because the customer is doing it. Now it's my turn. I happen to get a chance. I totally agree with you. That's the reason why we have three months for her to work, to change her behavior, to work with us. We allow three months. September. It's not September yet. September 11th. Mr. Poulon, hold on. Let me finish. Okay. Let me finish. You're going to censure me tonight. That's why. You're not going to give me three months. It doesn't matter. It's my turn, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor. If you and her wasn't go on, if she didn't put out the letter on her Facebook, condemning, condemning us, and if you and her wasn't go on to your YouTube and set the three, the again, three, who and her wasn't going on to your YouTube and set the three, the gang of three, and then all what you said, you know what you said in there. There shouldn't be any meeting today. We were until September 11. And September 11, when the September 11 came, if she behaved herself, it might gone away. That's what the intent. But so what? Right, the next day she came out with the letter, put on her Facebook, condemning the three of us. And you and her are going on YouTube again. So with that, I don't think the C is remorse of herself being better of herself and C is continue to behave the way C behave. We want to move on. How can we move on? When you actually said that we'll come back with another three or four more of your YouTube, you know, you did once that we can't even stand it. Now you say that you are going to continue to your mouth, to your four more times. You said that if you go back to your YouTube and you will see it. I have tried to convince the other two council. And I took full responsibility for that. I didn't think that they agree with me, but they did agree with me. And see it's not, see it's just been warning if you say, is you will, she's been warning. So if she is saying it, and see it said on that day, may you are reasonable. See said that. So I know I'm reasonable. I was wrong. See agree to me with me on that. So I know I'm reasonable. I wasn't wrong. She agreed to me with me on that. So I stick out, stick my neck out for her. But because of you guys, what you guys did, I can't stand it anymore. Because I can't stand this until September 11. So with that, I have, you know, I said, I took full responsibility. That's why I moved this meeting so that we can't talk about it. And at this time, I think that we have talked enough of the items. I move to approve. Mr. Mayor. No, hold on. I moved to approve this item to censor and move this item to August the 14th of next month. Yes, you are not allowed to talk right now. Okay, this is a council, this is a tram from the council to deliberate. Please, I ask you to refrain from saying anything. Okay, and that's my motion. So, Mr. Mayor, I don't understand. Second to it. I'm, what about the additional implementation? That's included in that. I'm going to include it. Thank you, and then the sanctioning, the sanction, and that's approved,. That's included in that. Yes, I would think you included. Thank you. And then the sanctioning, the sanction and that's approved. And that's included. Then I second. The, as I mentioned before, the sanction would be direction to come back with an item on the agenda related to removal from boards. I'm right. What you're talking about. Right. Yeah. Okay. That's a separate item that will come back. Okay. Yes. So I second. So there is a motion and second. Is there a substitute motion? First I want to understand what's the motion city attorney? Can you repeat that the motion so I understand? Well as I understand it, it would be directing staff to move forward with the preparation of a resolution of censure as was indicated at the last council meeting, not the one yesterday with prior one to that, and to bring it forward on August 14th, and that adding to the resolution of censure, these were issues not mentioned previously that they would come back, first of all, come back with an item on a future agenda to discuss the removal of Amy Fen west councilwoman Amy Fen west from outside boards until the end of her term. And also adding an item related to a statement of intent that if councilwoman west is individually named in any lawsuit that may arise, which is directly related to the 20 points of concern, which are the subject of the center, the 20 points, that the council expresses an intent that she to not defender in that lawsuit. Again, as I mentioned before, that decision can't be made now. It would have to be made if a lawsuit was actually filed. And in that situation, council member West may be responsible for our own attorney's fees and costs. I think that encompasses. I should ask that. I should ask that. City Attorney. Is it? Yeah. City Attorney. Yeah. I just want to make sure that the community is clear and I want to make sure that this gets out in the public. This has nothing to do with the everyday work of the council member. This has nothing to do with that because I want that to be confated that you're removing your use, your ability to have the city attorney work with you with answering legal questions on the everyday business. So I want to make sure that's clear out there. This has nothing to do with that. This has to do with the items you just mentioned. If I can clarify on the motion, City Attorney said outside boards. But I read older my notes that you said committees and boards. Yeah, like what was the water factor? Yes, ma'am. You said committees and boards. Yeah, like what was it? Water, vector. Yes, ma'am. Committees as inside the city, what's minster within our home, like ad hoc committee. Right. Any companies that she's on, if she's on any. And the maker of the motion, the mayor? Yes, you're okay with that. Yes, I'm okay with that. Okay, I substitute motion to basically moving forward and to reconciliation and to drop the 5.2 because it does not help us to move forward and then we have to waste city time and money to sanction to censure someone when we already went through this a long time. So my substitute motion is to move the city forward, reconciliation meaning meeting behind closed door, you tell me you know through mentorship or whatever you want to say it or counseling or take time to talk out what's happening and what is offensive and we can work it internally. Because this look to the public that we can't even handle on inside business among the council. So this kind of embarrassing. Okay. But my substitute motion is to basically move the city forward, reconciliation, work this out behind closed door and help move the city forward drop 5.2. Do I have a second? Second. You got a mistake. Okay. All right. Second. We have the motion. Please call it. Thank you, Mayor. The sub-stue motion made by Councilmember Fan West. Seconded by Councilmember Nguyen. This is to move the city forward and reconcil reconcile and take no action on the censure against Council of Mid-Fan West. I'll go out and move to roll call. Council of Mid-Fan West. Yes. Councillor Monson. Just for the record, we already had that prior. It was three months and we could have had no censure but obviously that was not the case. So for this vote it's in the room. You just brought on June 12th. That's not three months. That's a lie. Thank you. Councillor Neuwen. Wow. Oh, I just had yes. Vice Mayor Ho. Okay. I'm listening to Ms. West and she's saying it's a lie. Yes, it's a three month. No, you brought it on June 12th. Tell me when's June 12th today? Okay, no, no, what he's trying to say is that on June 12th, we were giving you three months. But immediately, a day and a half later, you went back on air and just went back your own ways. No, recap. And so you did not help yourself. That's your opinion. No, it's not an opinion. It's a fact. It's recap. And then you pushed it. We know what we do. Well, you know what you did and you're going to still fight and that's the whole reason why you're being censored. No, that's the reason why the answer is you're treating the relative threshold and demeaning. Now I'll let her express her opinion. I vote no. Mayor Wynn. Okay. I would say yes if I didn't see the letter, I didn't see what happened because I'm trying, I already tried my best to see if we can work together. you know, just a day after. You, this, the things that we can't, you came out with the letter. Condemning us, you go on air and attacking us. And you continue, and it's not you, but I know that, I mean, I'm in council member Wayne said, we'll continue for another three times. I can't take that anymore. I can't take that anymore. So if you tell me that you are going to... Because you want to try and... I don't believe so. I don't believe so. I lost my trust in you. You want to silence my voice? I lost my trust in you. So my voice is now. I understand. You want to silence me. Let's move back to the original please. So the substitute motion failed two, three. The original motion was moved by Mayor Wynne, seconded by Vice Mayor Ho. As stated by the city attorney. It was to direct staff to prepare a resolution to censor councilman fan west as amended, bring the item to the August 14th meeting and bring an item on a future agenda to discuss the removal of councilman fan west on outside boards and committees until the end of our term, and then organize a statement of intent as stated by the city attorney. I'll go to call roll for the original motion. Councilwoman Van West. No. Councilmember Monzo. Yes. Councilmember Wayne. No. Vice Mayor Hill. Yes and I would like to ask staff to produce the draft of both items by mid-July, please. So I may review before the August meeting. Do we have to vote for that? Or maybe if you would like to like a week before, a week before, or no, no, no, no, week before 10 days, we'll do our best. or no, no, no, no, we put 10 days. We'll do our best. Because you can't just bring it on that day or three days before it's gonna be hard for us to do. We know. We do, once. It's our edits. We're normally the items. This is going to go to the origin also to have the item refuel before we actually bring it to the if you bring on the items. Stop always prepare the stop report. Give us enough time to yes we would add it we will that's all I ask yes that's fine. So vice mayor hope for the record your bill yes I'm Erwin. Yes. Motion carried. Three two. Thank you very much. At this point here I'd like to ask for your vote to move the the closed section to the end of this up the Rebellum meeting. Because we still have the closed section item on the closed section for the special meeting. Okay. Right. So. So. We're still in the special meeting and that's there was one closed session. I don't want to talk about what the subject either we can go in. We're still in the special meeting and that's there was one closed session. I don't want to talk about what the subject is. Either we can go in, we can go in for a closed session for a special item or we can move it to the end. However you want to do it. Mayor, if I may request, you know, I'm in charge of a funeral very early in the morning. I have to be there and it's been kind of draining. For me, myself and the family and especially I'm the organizer of the funeral. So I don't know what's best, I don't like to leave the meeting early, but I know that we have to bring back the two items or the closed session that we had yesterday because of the two people who were absent. And so if that's important, let's have that. Let me ask staff then. For all the remaining items, is it the notion that we have to discuss? For which one, for the regular meeting? We still have where we are and we already 5.1, right? So we're in the middle 5.1, so staff's items, yes, we need 5.1 middle 5.1. We need 5.1 and 5.2. Those are the only items left. If I may, can I move to have the item for private one and five points to and then we go back for the closed section. So where? This time here, I need a vote to agree that to move the closed section after the other two. I so move. Okay. Second. Okay. Wait, we have a motion to agree to move 5.152. Wait, I'm sorry. We're actually still in the special meeting on the adjourned agenda, so we need to make a decision on the adjourned. We can't vote on the other one. While we're still in. No, no, I'm not. Okay. So. I heard the motion is to move the closed session after item 5.2. My understanding, correct? Yes. Do you want to, and the same motion, put the other items off to the next meeting. We have the vote on that so that I can add Joan or pick to recess for the special meeting. Okay. Okay. So we have a motion and the second for having 5.1 and 5.2 before the closed session for special meeting. So I have a motion to meet by Vice Mayor Ho, a second meet by Mayor Wynne. And this is to, sorry, Councillor Romanzo. And this is to- No, I was the motion maker. I have Vice Mayor Ho as the motion maker. I have vice mayor ho is the motion maker. Okay. Then what is the motion again? So the motion is to recess the adjourned meeting and go back to the regular items on the regular meeting and take the close session from the adjourned meeting after 5.2 of the regular meeting. That's right. Okay. Okay. So who's the motion? So I have a motion by Vice Mayor Ho and a second by Councilman Montzot. Is that the conclusion of a regular meeting right? Because after 5.2 we have non-agenda. Well, I will reflect on that. We're recessing that in part. Non-agenda well Are we flipped up? After after 3.2 then we can we can we can decide 5.2 after 5.2 We would come after 5.2. So we would open back to the adjourn special meeting to do close session on that item and then adjourn that entirely and then come back and reopen the regular meeting for 5.3. Mr. Mayor, may I suggest that all the other item I think staff needs to be here. Can we do the close session at the end like you suggested? So that way, we can finish all the city. Yeah, after 5.5, just get it all done. This is it. I just heard that. So then everyone can leave. Vice mayor, all need to leave for tomorrow. So I just want to determine that it is. Do you not want to do 5.4, 5.5? Can't you move it to the meeting? What I heard from CD managers is that we can delay that until next meeting. That is the human rights, the which one? No, 5.5. So those are not staff's items. Those are council requested items. It's really up to the council if you want to hear your items. But 5.1 and 5.2 there are staff items. We have to make decisions on those. 5.3 is urgency placing the item. Your item Mr. Mayor That's your item You can you can stay and we can see if we can do this on a quick to possible Yeah, okay. Yes. Thank you. Okay, so we agree Well for after 5.2 that the time that we can go ahead and make a motion whether we want to continue for 5.34 or 5. Okay, but we will have, we will have closed session for special meeting after 5.2. Okay. Okay. I'll reread the motion into the record. So I have a motion made by Vice Mayor Ho, a second made by Councillor Monzo. This is to recess the adjourned meeting and return to the regularly scheduled meeting. After 5.2 on the regularly scheduled meeting, we will recess the regular meeting, come back to the adjourned special meeting, move into closed session and at that point the council will advise staff on the other remaining items. We'll come back to the regular. So on that motion, I'll go ahead and call roll. Councilwoman Van West? No. I mean I do want a gender 5.15.2 to be heard first, but I think we should do 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, and then move this close session, which the people doesn't have to be here for that. So in that way, we can do city business. So with that, I can may I substitute motion. Okay. What's your strategy to move? It's basically to go through all the agenda item and move the closed session at the end so that they can go home after our city business. No, it's your second. You're my second. Okay. So strategy to move should go first. Okay. So now I have a sub-st which is made by Councilwoman gun west, seconded by Councilmember Nguyen. This is to recess the adjourned meeting. Go back to the regularly scheduled meeting. Complete an entirety of regular business 5.1 through 5.5. recess the regular meeting. Come back to the adjourned special meeting and move forward with the closed session item. I'll go out a call roll for the substitute motion. I just got a question before we go to the city manager. On the item that's at the closed session item is that do we have to do that one today? I mean it was the council's direction to include the other two. It was really what it is. If you op not to then no. Yeah, well to me I think that we met and talked a little bit about yesterday but we are missing two and I want to be proud to have the other two cars over, listen to that and make decisions together. So I think it's important to have the other two cars in it. And I believe that this is not that kind of urgency, but it's still a decision that you have to make to move forward. Pretty quick. It's not urgency. That's like an update. Yeah. It's up to you. It's it's it's really an update because decision was made already by you guys. We're trying to be cryptic about it, but it and city attorney already sent us an email of the update what you voted for? So we already know what you voted for. You were ready to know? Yeah, because he sent email. It's a no email. He said you were the one who voted. He said he didn't vote. He said he didn't vote. He said he didn't vote. He said he didn't vote. He said he didn't vote. He said he didn't vote. He said he didn't Yeah, so we have the information. It was a very brief email, so it really was an opportunity to have the extensive recap of the item. No, I'd rather hear from them instead of just a brief. I'm afraid that it's not enough information for them and then it came back to us that we make decision without them. I'd like to have the inputs and if there is a change to the previous motion, then we'll do it. But I think it's fair to have them present at the meeting. We can't change your guys vote. You guys are very vote. Like I said, the vote can be changed. Okay. If you're doing, if you have your reason, and it's the right reason, then we can all re-reason. You didn't agree to us the whole time. Whatever reason you don't care, you don't, it doesn't matter. So we're ready to vote in. So go ahead and submit the motion. So I have the substitute motion. I'll go out and call roll. Councillor Maintain West. We wait because he says not urgent so do you want me re-substitute the motion or just keep my substitute motion. Just keep it. Mr. Mayor. Just keep it. Okay. Then yes for that, everything and then the close session at the end. Okay. Councillor Romando. Yes. Councillor Brunouin. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. This is first substitute. Mayor Wynne. Yes. This is for substitute. Mara. Yes. Okay. Substimation pass. So basically right now what I have to do is I have to adjourn a adjourn special I'm not adjourned but to recess for special meeting. Open section after adjourned. Open section for special meeting. Okay, clear. And I have to do that first. Okay, okay, it's done. Now I have to recess. I have to reconvene for the regular meeting correct today. All right. And so please take the roll call. OK.