PUBLIC NOTICE City of Lockhart Zoning Board of Adjustment 6:30 PM, Monday, July 7, 2025 Municipal Building - Glosserman Room 308 W. San Antonio St. AGENDA 1. Call meeting to order. 2. Citizen comments not related to a public hearing item. 3. Consider the minutes of the June 2, 2025 meeting. 4. FV-25-01. Hold a PUBLIC HEARING and consider a request by Graciela Duran-Briceno for a Variance to the Lockhart Code of Ordinances, Chapter 12 "Buildings and Building Regulations", Article VIII "Fences", 1 Sections 12-486(a) and 12-490(3), to allow a 6-foot-tall sheet-metal fence with 100% opacity along the entire length of the side (north) property line, including an encroachment into the front-yard setback resulting in a setback reduction from 20 feet to zero feet, consisting of 0.61 acre on Lot 6, Block 1, Wilson's Addition, zoned RMD (Residential Medium Density), and located at 622 South Guadalupe St. Section 12-486(a) establishes materials permitted for fences; and Section 12-490(3) limits fences within the minimum front-yard building setback area, being 20 feet in the RMD zone, to no more than four feet in height; said fencing must not block more than 50% of the view through the fence; and the fencing must be an element of landscaping constructed of a material approved by the Building Official. 5. Discuss the date and agenda of the next meeting. 6. Adjournment. Posted on the bulletin board in the Municipal Building, 308 West San Antonio Street, Lockhart, Texas at 9:00 a.m. on the 1st day of July, 2025. CITY OF LOCKHART ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT JUNE 2, 2025 MINUTES Members Present: Laura Cline, Lori Rangel, Wayne Reeder, Mike Annas, Shawn Martinez, Patrick Stroka, Arnold Proctor, Lucy Knight Members Absent: None Staff Present: David Fowler, Kevin Waller, Romy Brossman Others Present: Blayne Stansberry (applicant, Agenda Item 4), Omar Hussein (property owner, tem 4) 1. Call meeting to order. Chair Cline called the meeting to order at 6:29 p.m. 2. Citizen comments not related to a public hearing item. None 3. Consider the minutes of the May 5, 2025 meeting. Member Annas moved to approve the minutes. Member Reeder seconded, and the motion passed with a vote of 8 - 0. 4. ZV-25-04. Hold a PUBLIC HEARING and consider a request by Blayne Stansberry for a Variance to Appendix II of Chapter 64 "Zoning, " - Lockhart Code of Ordinances, to allow a reduction in the minimum required side-yard building setback from 10 feet to 8.29 feet consisting of 24.575 acres in Lot 1, Block 1, Iron Ox Addition, zoned IL (Industrial Light), and located at 1205 Reed Dr. Planning Staff Kevin Waller presented the staff report utilizing a PowerPoint presentation. The property currently contains two large, vacant industrial buildings. According to the applicant, the new owner plans to subdivide the property into three lots for future small business use. A portion of the greenhouse will encroach into the required 10-foot side yard setback from the future property line that will separate this structure from the warehouse to the south. Since the two structures are not exactly parallel with each other, the proposed lot line between the structures will result in the greenhouse's encroachment of 1.71 feet into the side setback. The greenhouse will therefore be located 8.29 feet from the proposed side (south) lot line at its closest point. Staff believes that the variance request warrants approval, ift the Board determines that all 6 variance review criteria are met. Zoning Board of Adjustment 06-02-2025 Applicant Blayne Stansberry of Stansberry Engineering Co., 605 Arroyo Vista Dr., Manchaca, TX, explained that the large size of the property doesn't lend itself to small businesses. The owner is interested in subdividing the property to attract those small business opportunities. Member Stroka inquired as to what type of small businesses will use the large buildings. Property owner Omar Hussein, 600 W. 5th St., Austin, TX, explained that the warehouse is currently occupied by a food manufacturer. In regard to the greenhouse, discussions have occurred with several ousinesses that grow plants and trees. Member Martinez asked for confirmation that all existing equipment will be removed and that only the greenhouse building will be in the setback. Mr. Hussein confirmed that all equipment between the two buildings will be removed. He continued that if equipment is supporting the warehouse, that equipment will be on the warehouse property. If equipment is supporting the greenhouse, that equipment will be on the greenhouse property. Chairwoman Cline closed the Public Hearing portion of the meeting, and moved to Board discussion. Member Stroka shared his disagreement with Staff S precedent comment in the staff report. Member Stroka moved to approve ZV-25-04. Member Annas seconded, and the motion passed with a vote of 7- 0. 5. Discuss the date and agenda of the next meeting. Mr. Waller reported that the next regularly-scheduled meeting would be held on July 7th. Applications have yet to be received for that meeting. 6. Adjournment. Vice-Chair Rangel moved to adjourn the meeting, and Member Reeder seconded. The motion passed with a vote of8 8-0, and the meeting adjourned at 6:49 p.m. Approved: (Date) Romy Brossman, Recording Secretary Laura Cline, Chairwoman Zoning Board of Adjustment 06-02-2025 510 522 509 515 518 521 510 516 520 517 521 526 512 523 522 518 528 531 525 525 520 530 524 219 527 524 317 s 602 541 530 321 2 ST 208 210 HACKBERRES 212 423 4 425 603 - 621 320 326 621 e400 614 416 a s 422 617 a 623 500 u 614 RMD 620 S 0 622 628 631 625 LA S 703 VNpSE 703 706 619 620 702 715 705 714 629 632 RLD #05 704 . 717 78ge - 724 - 707 634 633 718 723 719 ST 728 NIKON 636 729 729 638 736 727 728 506 700 735 729 738 736 743 712 748 709 735 745 750 758 753 760 205 FV-25-01 N SUBJECT PROPERTY 622 S GUADALUPE ST ZONING BOUNDARY ALLOW A 6 FT SOLID SHEET METAL 200 FT BUFFER FENCE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD Scale 1"= 200' BUIILDING SETBACK 47 6 - SMAINSI f SCLUEGERN 8 % SLAoN - - CATNT - CIIOSI NIONSI - ERIOST - - - PLANNING DEPARTMENT REPORT FENCE VARIANCE CASE SUMMARY STAFF CONTACT: Kevin Waller, Senior Planner kw CASE NUMBER: FV-25-01 REPORT DATE: June 30, 2025 PUBLIC HEARING DATE: July 7, 2025 APPLICANT'S REQUEST: Variance to Chapter 12, Article VIII "Fences", Sections 12-486(a) and 12-490(3) to allow a 6-foot tall sheet-metal fence with 100% opacity within the front-yard building setback STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Analysis of the variance review criteria supports a recommendation for DENIAL BACKGROUND DATA APPLICANT: Graciela Duran-Briceno OWNERS: Graciela Duran-Briceno and Benny Briceno SITE LOCATION: 622 South Guadalupe St. LEGAL DESCRIPTION: Lot 6, Block 1, Wilson's Addition SIZE OF PROPERTY: 0.61 ac. EXISTING USE OF PROPERTY: Single-family residence ZONING CLASSIFICATION: RMD (Residential Medium Density) ANALYSIS OF ISSUES REASON FOR REQUESTED VARIANCE: A 6-foot tall, 100% opaque, sheet-metal privacy fence was recently constructed within the required 20-foot front-yard setback of the subject property, and without a fence permit. The sheet-metal fence extends along the full length of the north, side property line to the actual front property line, resulting in a zero-foot front-yard setback. The applicant explains that the fence was reconstructed in the same location and height as a previous, wooden fence, as illustrated in the enclosed photos. Section 12-490(3) of the Fence Ordinance limits fences in residential front-yard building setback areas to a maximum height of four feet, stipulates that no more than 50 percent of the fence elevation shall block the view through the fence, and requires such fences to be an element of landscaping constructed of a material approved by the building official. Section 12-486(a) establishes permitted fence materials, such as wood, masonry, ornamental wrought iron, etc., but does not include sheet-metal as a permitted material. The newly constructed fence does not comply with any of the above provisions. AREA CHARACTERISTICS: The property is located within an established single-family residential neighborhood, which is zoned RMD on the east side of South Guadalupe Street, including the subject property, and RLD (Residential Low Density) on the west side of the street. Although the 6-foot fence along the property's side, south property line appears to also encroach into the front-yard setback, numerous examples of conforming front-yard fences have been found in the area. Those include four-foot-high fences within the front-yard setback, exhibiting the "step-down" approach at the side property line, at 524 South Guadalupe St., 718 South Guadalupe St., 727 South Guadalupe St., and 729 South Guadalupe St. Further south, at 206 State Park Rd., the material of a side-yard and rear-yard fence was recently changed from an unpermitted wood-metal combination to exclusively wooden, upon notification from Staff of the violation. UNIQUE CONDITIONS OF PROPERTY: Although the fence has been reconstructed at the same height and location as the previous fence, this does not result from a condition unique to the property. Since the previous fence was removed, with the exception of the front fence post at the front property line, the recent reconstruction constitutes a "new" fence that must comply with current City standards. The applicant explains that she was under the impression that the work completed was merely a refurbishment of the previous fence. Staff finds no conditions unique to the property, topographical or otherwise, that would necessitate the fence as currently constructed. NATURE OF HARDSHIP: The construction of the fence within the front-yard setback and of a sheet-metal material is considered a self-created hardship. There is nothing that prevents a fence constructed in the front yard from meeting the standards of the Fence Ordinance, including the height, degree of opacity, and material allowances along its entire length. EFFECT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY AND PUBLIC SAFETY: Staff believes that the construction of a 6-foot tall opaque fence in this location, regardless of the fact that it is replacing a fence of the same height and location, would present a safety hazard for those backing out of the driveway on the subject property, and potentially to those backing out of driveways on neighboring properties as well. In addition, it could be argued that the fence's sheet-metal material might present a glare hazard at certain times of day, based upon the position ofthe sun. It should also be noted that the sheet-metal presents more of an industrial-type appearance that could be seen as an alteration of the essential character of the RMD zoning district within which the subject property is located. COMPLIANCE WITH VARIANCE CRITERIA: In order to approve a variance, the Board must find that the request meets all 6 of the criteria outlined in Section 64-129(a) of the Zoning Ordinance. The applicant submitted the attached written explanation as evidence in support of the variançe. ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS: Two alternative solutions include: (1) removal of that portion of the fence within the front-yard setback, and changing the material along the remainder of the north, side property line to an approved material; or (2) "stepping back" the fence to a four-foot-tall fence within the front-yard setback, with an opacity no greater than 50% in the setback, also with approved materials for the entire fence length. In addition, during a Staff site visit on June 30, 2025, the applicant expressed a desire to reconstruct the side-yard fence along the south property line in the future, which will also need to meet all applicable City standards. RESPONSE TO NOTIFICATION: No responses to the notifications sent have been received to date. However, an email was received on June 16, 2025 from Linda Hinkle of Hinkle Surveyors, who stated, in part, that although the fence is a hazard for those backing out of the driveway, it does not look bad, and according to the applicant, is liked by the neighbor on the other side of the fence at 614 South Guadalupe St. STAFF RECOMMENDATION RATIONALE: Staff recommends denial of the variance request, which does not meet 5 of the 6 variance review criteria. The applicant explains that according to discussions with Staff, she was under the assumption that "refurbishing" the fence included removing and replacing all but the first post at the front property line. However, this is not grounds for a variance, as the fence has been fundamentally altered by an action of the current property owner, and is out of compliance with City standards. There are no unique conditions of the property justifying the fence in its current composition and location. City of Lockhart Caldwell County, Texas Wilson's Addition Lot 6 in Block 1 GeneralNoles Befored digging call 811 to verify locations of any utilities, pipelines, oro other asements ofr record since che surveyor cannotg guranteethee cxactpositioaof.hesee encumbrasces. 2Thepipeatys shown hasa accessioa and6 fomapublieroadway. 3)THISS SURVEYISFORI USEV wITHT THIS ONE TRANSACTIONONLY. 4) FLOOD ZONES SHOWN APPROXIMATE AND CREATE NO LIABILITY ON THE PART OF THE SURVEYOR Zone"x accordingtoFEMAP ANDA ARE BASEDO Panels SA #4805SC0120Ee FROM A FLOODI effectivedate) INSURANCER Jnel 19,2 RATE 2012. MAP. FloodZone They property x isarasd shown! deterninediobe liesin Flood CRCe floodplain. WARNING: Thisf floadSatemetasD Deteminedlya HUD. FLOOD HAZARDE BOUNDARY MAP, DOES NOT IMPLY that the Property or the will fiom noaias Fot improvemenus theron Free wai" FloodingorF a-Madeo Flood Damage. Oorreo occasions, Greater Floods Canedw WillOccur, andFloodH Heighsmayb bei incressedby or Natuml Causes. SPMR Shae fuxk froa Se4bnek) - (Zexe Soale, 1"-30 h 2 - 8 a GRTRAc : 1 a Lot2 o111: : 1 5 6 arignal fence lot line u taid 3 varos' ) 80 E 66t 1/2 tensse outs 10s fence building 0.8' - brick drive builing * 9 ) 2 A) 2 0 f 144 o 14.0 6 o C 3 3A - 36.5 9 - Lots 1-sion Wood BidENOK B Res. - Frome 1 a N 40.0 Block N 2 1 a p a 6 s . A. 0 2, 5 4 ? 1 77 $ . a As-000 > Ordinance d of Lockhart Cily a Alley * 20' Abandoned varos' ) à w 56-1/2 s A (S80 € 1 AY Alley o * 20' e Lotl € L : 2 BIOK Lot5 DRELIMINARY Kmt For Pyolication SURVEY DRAWING Relwces Seale. Showing Lot6 61 in Block 1 of WILSON'S ADDITION in the ofLockhart, Caldwell County, Texas accordingt tot the or in map plat thereofr recorded Volume 20 Page 245 of At Deed Records of Caldwell County, Texas andt the N - : found A5 improvements as situatedt thereon. I do hereby certify that (1) thef foregoing plat is a true and correct representation ofas survey made on the ground under my directs supervision on May8, 2025, (2) NoA Abstract ofT Title, title commitment, nor research orr record easements were supplied tot the Surveyor. There may exist easements of record which could effect this parcel. THIS SURVEY IS CERTIFIED AND ITS CONTENTS Fiels Book: d.c. Drown BU GUARANTEED FOR USE WITH THIS ONE TRANSACTION ONLY DATED THIS DATE. THE JoNo. 2025 Droving 2025-622 s. Quedolupas. SURVEYOR SHALL INCUR NO LIABILITY FOR ANY USE OF THIS SURVEY BEYOND THIS Dote: May 2025 Word Dlakc Begin 0012025 ONE TRANSACTION OR/ FOR. ANY PERSON(S). NOTASSOCIATEDI WITH THIS TRANSACTION. Surveyed By: JH V08 Nutoood Diak Begin 05012025 Only those prints containing the raised Surveyor's seal and an original "LIVE" signature should be considered official and relied upon by the user. - HINKLE Las A SURVEYORS Nnt For L. Byplication- Jerry Hinkle, R.P.L LS' A5459 P.O. Box 1027 1109 S. Main Street Lockhart, TX 78644 Ph: (512) 398-2000 Fax(512)3 398-7683 Email contact@ Hinkle Surveyors, 2025 hinklesurveyors.om FirmRegistration/ No. 100886-00 Tasore 02025Google 46 a 4 Belve 6/16/25, 2:42 PM 622 Guadalupe St Google Maps Google Maps 622 Guadalupe St Lockhart, Texas Google Street View May 2011 Google Image capture: May2 2011 02025 Google PU A I & Had 54 4 4 Befare Mr Tacoil pshagogaomnapw@2818212.9184 456713a222y48.74hn,8464Vata-3m7teil3msilsssyim.M.hvlwB9a80ne0l6shtps*a2. 1/1 6/16/25, 1:57 PM 11,454 unread - bemyyade.7@yalo.com Yahoo Mail Mahl fane Sheek Olive shreet KATE 3 p-yawamwsNsatsssata-tNnN ter-PRIORITY/messagesAKICAASF-S6AFBoygNACN gec C OAKICAABF.SaFBoy9. 1/1 6/16/25, 1:58 PM 11,454 unread Demnyyace.7@ato.com Yahoo Mail AFTER pmasyahoomhioerr-lascounia -1Al8#FIer-PRIORIY/mgANICPUESSBFBOAMCNSAGWASICAAF.SéaFBo.g. 1/1 6/16/25, 1:57 PM 11,454 unread - Demygade.7@yahocm Yahoo Mail APTER 4 "wyww-aSAONNSNrA. 1/1 Date: 6/16/2025 To: City of Lockhart From: Graciela Duran-Briceno, 622 S. Guadalupe Street, Lockhart, Texas 78644 Ref: Fence Variance Application = Written Statement To whom it may concern, this is a written statement documenting the reason for the variance, including evidence that the request complies with the following criteria as required for approval of variance: 1. A unique physical condition exists within or adjacent to the subject fence structure on Lot 6, Block 1 located thereon which distinguishes it from other similarly situated decorative metal fencing that is currently constructed within the city of Lockhart. i.e., (residence on the corner of San Jacinto and West Prairie Lee, and a new Duplex on Kate and Olive Street; and which creates an exceptional hardship, difficulty and inequity that would result from literal enforcement ofthe ordinance. 2. The condition or characteristic noted above is not caused by an action of willful intent of the property owner, nor to disregard the request for a city permit. The property owner previously inquired with Christine Banda, Planning/GIS Tech to ask if a permit was necessary to refurbish an existing warped fence; Banda responded 'no' not for an existing fence, a permit is only required for a newly built fence. Therefore, the owner retained the grandfathered original 6-foot fence post to refurbish at a minimum 20 percent ofthe existing warped, wood fence pickets on Lot 6, Block 1 with metal and wood. The refurbished fence remains at its original height of 6 feet and the setback measures at its original 17 feet from the street curb at 622 S Guadalupe Street, Lockhart, TX 78644. 3. The variance is the minimum amount necessary to allow for reasonable use of the property. 4. The sole reason for the variance is not a desire of the owner fori increased financial gain or reduced financial hardship, it is solely for the privacy, safety and protection of owner; and to keep pets contained withing the owner's property and neighbors. 5. The variance is not intended, nor will it adversely affect the general public health or safety, or people residing or working in the vicinity of the proposed fence, and will not substantially or permanently interfere with the appropriate use of adjacent conforming property in the same district; and, 6. The variance will not alter the essential character of the zoning district within which the subject property is located and is in harmony with the intent and purposes of the fence regulations. Sincerely, AAMBWoS Graciela Duran-Briceno 622 S Guadalupe Street Lockhart, Texas 78644 512-376-8403 Bemnygade.s7e).mocom FENCE VARIANCE APPLICATION CITY OF 1512/398-3461 . FAX/512/ 398-3833 Lockhart P.O. Box. 239 . Lockhart, Texas 78644 TEXAS 308 West San Antonio Street APPLICANT/OWNER Graciela Duran-Briceno 622 S Guadalupe Street APPLICANT NAME ADDRESS 512-376-8403 Lockkhart, Texas DAY-TIME TELEPHONE emygno.s7eyenoocom 78644 E-MAIL Briceno, Benny and Graciela Duran-Briceno 622 S Guadalupe Street OWNER NAME ADDRESS 512-376-8403 Lockhart, Texas DAY-TIME TELEPHONE bennygraciela 87@yahoo.com 78644 E-MAIL PROPERTY 622 S Guadalupe Street, Lockhart, Texas 78644 ADDRESS OR GENERAL LOCATION Lot 6, Block LEGAL DESCRIPTION wil3ons (IF PLATTED) 1J Allitinn -440X4851- G.) RMD SIZE ACRE(S) ZONING CLASSIFICATION Residential EXISTING USE OF LAND AND/OR BUILDING(S) REQUESTED FENCE VARIANCE Aicl VVI TLLC Material 12-486 (A)/Setback 12-490 (3) REGULATIONS VARIANCE TO SECTION(S) OF THE FENCE CURRENT ORDINANCE ROURENBMTBAS-aka) Recs not lise a3 & madena. in 12-K86la) Fonc-fost Rens el w pucaskas w oont- aro Sec 5010 & Ma M nd vo wo more fencs entiwn sha 6 Variance to keep REACR wiahin REQUESTED G'shuhneks VARIANCE(S) fcon SRoack and l0010 opacitfer thef Rence elestation Sbnek reaetion reaysRA fourn 10 Rer +o Zero ReRt. 12-490(3)-* SUBMITTALREQUREMENTS IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT THE OWNER, A LETTER SIGNED AND DATED BY THE OWNER CERTIFYING THEIR OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY AND AUTHORIZING THE APPLICANT TO REPRESENT THE PERSON, ORGANIZATION, OR BUSINESS THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY. IF NOT PLATTED, A METES AND BOUNDS LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY. A WRITTEN STATEMENT DOCUMENTING THE REASON FOR THE VARIANCE(S), INCLUDING EVIDENCE THAT THE REQUEST COMPLIES WITH THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA AS REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE. 1. A unique physical condition exists within or adjacent to the subject tract or structure(s) located thereon which distinguishes it from other similarly situated, and which creates an exceptional hardship, difficulty, or inequity that would result from literal enforcement of the ordinance; 2. The condition or characteristic noted above is not caused by an action of the property owner, occupant, or applicant; 3. The variance is the minimum amount necessary to allow a reasonable use of the property; 4. The sole reason for the variance is not a desire of the owner, occupant, or applicant for increased financial gain or reduced financial hardship; 5. The variance will not adversely affect the general public health or safety, or persons residing or working in the vicinity of thè proposed fence, and will not substantially or permanently interfere with the appropriate use of adjacent conforming property inthe same district; and, 6. The variance will not alter the essential character of the zoning district within which the subject property is located, and is in harmony with the intent and purposes of the fence regulations. DRAWING, SUBMITTED ON PAPER NO LARGER THAN 11" X 17", 1 SHOWING: 1) Scale and north arrow; 2) Location of site with respect to streets and adjacent properties; 3) Property lines and dimensions; 4) Location and dimensions of buildings, parking areas, and existing fences; 5) location, dimensions, and type of proposed fence; and, 6) any other information appliçable to therequested variance. APPLICATION FEE OF $250.00 PLUS $150.00 PER ACRE, FOR A MAXIMUM OF $2,500.00, APPLICATION FEE OF $3A1.0 PAYABLE TO THE CITY OF LOCKHART. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS APPLICATION AND ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE AND CORRECT, AND IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT I OR ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE SHOULD BE PRESENT AT ALL: PUBLIC MEETINGS CONCERNING THIS APPLICATION. SIGNATURE Biueno DATE 6/12/2025 OFFICE USE ONLY R91351562 ACCEPTED BY Kevinl/llar RECEIPT NUMBER 25.0 DATE SUBMITTED G/16/75 CASE NUMBER FV DATE NOTICES MAILED DATE NOTICE PUBLISHED 4e/25 6-26-2025 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING DATE /7/35 DECISION CONDITIONS Kevin Waller From: Jerry Hinkle Sent: Monday, June 16, 2025 4:50 PM To: Kevin Waller Subject: Re: 622 S. Guadalupe- Fence Setback Attachments: 035153l-Fence-cunstpat This email originated from an external sender. Please exercise caution before clicking on any links or attachments. IMPORTANT NOTICE: Never trust wiringi instructions sent via email. Cyber criminals are hacking email accounts and sending emails with fake wiring instructions. These emails are convincing and sophisticated. Always independently confirm wiring instructions in person or via a telephone call to a trusted and verified phone number. Never wire money without double-checking that the wiring instructions are correcu. Here is preview of what is going to be a survey to abandon an alley on the South side of the lot. RMD Zoning which is 20' BSL, they build the fence where it was previous. They said they talked with the City about building the fence and was told as long as they put it in the same place they did not need a permit. OOPS, maybe they were not told about the step down process, or no one knew it was already built to the property corner pin. I was not aware that a metal fence was not allowed until they came in and said it was not allowed. Just lack of knowledge on what the actual materials are allowed, do you guys have a paper you offer to folks about what type of fencing is allowed and a paper showing that step down effect to build to the street. They did not know that about that and when they came in an ask about rebuilding the fence they were not told that. Just a big mix up. suggested that they lower the fence starting at the 20" BSL and maybe put a decorative open type wire and space it between the solid pieces about every 6" or sO to alternate seeing thru the solid fence. I know it is a hazard pulling out on to the street for line of sight. Hope they can work it out they like the fence and according to them the neighbor does too. It dose not look bad. See attachment. Thanks, Linda 1