1 1 OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL 2 3 IN RE: WORK SESSION 4 5 HELD: 0 Tuesday, March 4, 2025 7 TIME: 8 7:00 P.M. 9 LOCATION: 10 OLD FORGE MUNICIPAL BUILDING 11 310 South Main Street 01d Forge, Pennsylvania 12 13 C 0 U N C I L M E M B E R S: 14 15 RUSSELL RINALDI, President 16 JIM HOOVER, Vice President 17 ANDREW BUTLER 18 MICHAEL KOMENSKY 19 JENNA JONES-SHOTWELL 20 MIKE LETTIERI 21 ALLISON MCCAWLEY 22 MARYLYNN BARTOLETTI, Borough Manager 23 WILLIAM RINALDI, Esquire, Solicitor 24 25 MICHELLE SMOLSKIS Official Court Reporter 2 1 MR. RINALDI: Good evening, 2 ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to call the 3 meeting to order with the Pledge of 4 Allegiance, please. 5 6 (Pledge of Allegiance.) 7 8 MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please, 9 Marylynn. 10 MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman 11 McCawley. 12 MS. MCCAWLEY: Here. 13 MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman 14 Shotwell. 15 MS. SHOTWELL: Present. 16 MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman 17 Komensky. 18 MR. KOMENSKY: Present. 19 MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman 20 Lettieri. 21 MR. LETTIERI: Present. 22 MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler. 23 MR. BUTLER: Present. 24 MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover. 25 MR. HOOVER: Present. 3 1 MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi. 2 MR. RINALDI: Here. Once again, 3 ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the work 4 session of the 01d Forge Borough. Tonight is 5 Tuesday, March 4, 2025. The purpose of this 6 meeting will be to set our agenda for our next 7 meeting which we discussed in executive session 8 is going to be next Tuesday? 9 MS. BARTOLETTI: Next Tuesday. 10 MR. RINALDI: Next Tuesday, March 11 11th. We'11 hear from our department heads, 12 we'1l go down the table, we'11 hear from our 13 mayor, our borough manager, solicitor and our 14 members of Council. Chief of police has a 15 public sign-in sheet, if anybody at the end of 16 the meeting would like to address us, we'11 17 give you a few moments. Just please sign in. 18 With that said, we're going to go to 19 our first department head, that is Joseph 20 Lenceski, DPW manager. Joe, good evening. 21 MR. LENCESKI: Good evening. 22 MR. RINALDI: Anything for the 23 meeting this evening or for the upcoming 24 agenda? 25 MR. LENCESKI : I have nothing. 4 1 MR. RINALDI: Any members have any 2 questions for Joe? 3 MR. BUTLER: I have one. 4 MR. RINALDI: Sure. 5 MR. BUTLER: Joe, Teddy Giglio 6 stopped me the other day, do we have any 7 children at play sign or slow children signs? 8 MR. LENCESKI: I think I may have 9 one. 10 MR. BUTLER: Could we put one in 11 that alleyway there? I guess his grand kids 12 are over his house, people are flying up that 13 alley, that one way alley next to his house. 14 MS. SHOTWELL: People do fly up that 15 alley. 16 MR. BUTLER: Yeah. And plus you 17 have the next girl up, the Fierros (phonetic), 18 they have kids, too, and they have all those 19 goofy ten-foot arborvitaes alongside their 20 yards they. They step out from behind one of 21 those arborvitaes and those maniacs are driving 22 up that road, somebody's gonna get hit. But if 23 we have one, just put one anywhere. Put it 24 down by Teddy's house SO he sees it. 25 MR. LENCESKI: Yeah, no problem. 5 1 MR. BUTLER: You know what I'm 2 saying? 3 MR. LENCESKI: Yeah. 4 MR. BUTLER: Thanks. 5 MR. LENCESKI: I'm just going to 6 have to wait a little bit with the frost. 7 MR. BUTLER: Oh, that's all right. 8 Yeah. I'17 tell him. Thank you. 9 MR. LENCESKI: You're welcome. 10 MR. RINALDI: Any other members have 11 any questions for Joe? 12 (No response.) 13 MR. RINALDI: Thank you, Joe. 14 MR. LENCESKI: Thank you. 15 MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. Code 16 enforcement/zoning officer Mike Sokolowsk1. 17 Mike, good evening. 18 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Good evening. 19 MR. RINALDI: Anything for the 20 meeting tonight or for the upcoming agenda? 21 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No, not really. 22 MR. RINALDI: Any members have any 23 questions for Mike? 24 MR. HOOVER: Mike, how's Amity 25 doing? 6 1 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's coming along. 2 MR. HOOVER: Were they there today? 3 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I don't know if 4 they were there. Did you see 5 CHIEF DUBERNAS: I didn't talk to à Marcy or but overheard they broke a nundred. 7 MR. HOOVER: Friday was 104. 8 MR. BUTLER: I heard 131. 9 MR. HOOVER: And there's still a lot 10 more. A17 right. 11 MR. KOMENSKY: Mike, it's condemned? 12 You condemned it? 13 MR. SOKOLOWSKI : Yes. 14 MR. RINALDI: For the public's 15 knowledge, there was a house over on Amity 16 Avenue last week, the chief of police, the 17 zoning officer, they took out over a hundred 18 cat. 19 CHIEF DUBERNAS: As of Friday 20 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 21 MR. HOOVER: 104 as of Friday. 22 MR. RINALDI: 104 cats. There's 23 nobody in the house. The house is 24 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Two dogs. 25 MR. RINALDI: And two dogs. The 7 1 house is vacant and the zoning officer 2 condemned the house, SO if you heard us talking 3 about 100, 104, that's the purpose of that. 4 So, good job on getting them out and also good 5 job on condemning the house SO nobody is in 6 there. 7 MR. LETTIERI: Michael, do they have 8 an ordinance in town, or do we have an 9 ordinance with parking cars in your yard? 10 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah. 11 MR. LETTIERI: So, there's a house, 12 the old Shandra house has about six cars just 13 parked in their yard, in their back yard. 14 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Where at? 15 MR. LETTIERI: It's right on the 16 corner behind Ciuccio's, the funeral home. 17 It's the house on the corner. 18 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah. 19 MR. LETTIERI: So I had some people 20 complaining that there's six or seven cars 21 parked in that yard going all the way up. I 22 mean, I don't know what it looks like but they 23 said it looks horrible. I just didn't know if 24 there's, I mean, something we could do, even if 25 you just took a visit over there. 8 1 MR. RINALDI: Is Shandra's house 2 right on the corner of Second Street? 3 MR. LETTIERI: Yes. 4 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: A11 right. I'11 5 look at it. 6 MR. LETTIERI: Thank, Mike. 7 MR. BUTLER: I have one quick. 8 Mike, thank you for those abandoned houses 9 you've been working on and stuff like that. 10 One left - - actually, two, ray Street. 11 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah, I know. 12 MR. BUTLER: Don't wake up the bear, 13 could you just go down there and look at it and 14 see if we could condemn them or whatever, 15 because, I mean, this lady's calling me every 16 week, you know, where are we? What are we 17 doing? You know, stuff like that. 18 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: They'11 be my next 19 ones. They're starting the one on Keyser 20 Avenue now. Earthworks is there now. 21 MR. BUTLER: These two houses down 22 there, like I said, one of my feet went through 23 the porch on the one and the other one the 24 garbage is stacked up about five feet high on 25 the back porch on either side of the doorway. 9 1 - MR. SOKOLOWSKI: You were in the 2 house? 3 MR. BUTLER: No, I did not go in the 4 house, I just was looking around to see what 5 was there. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah, he cleaned it 7 up last time, but 8 MR. BUTLER: Cleaning it up doesn't 9 do anything about, you know, he cleaned up the 10 yard a little bit, but the house is falling 11 down. 12 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: A11 right. I'11 13 work on it. 14 MR. BUTLER: I know he says his 15 girlfriend was gonna move in there and he moved 16 in his mother's house after she passed, but why 17 would you make your girlfriend move in that 18 house if you moved in your mother's? You know? 19 So he's trying to hold on to it for whatever 20 reason. 21 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: A11 right. I'11 22 check into those. 23 MR. BUTLER: A11 right. 24 MR. KOMENSKY: Mike, maybe next week 25 I'11 get with Jimmy and we'17 see what day 10 1 Bill's available and we'11 just have a meeting 2 maybe during the day to see, come up with some 3 more resolution on the ones we already 4 condemned, what we're gonna do for the next 5 process, SO we could have that. We won't have 6 it for the next meeting but we'11 have it for 7 the meeting after SO we could give a report to 8 everybody. 9 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah. Whenever, 10 I'm available. 11 MR. KOMENSKY: Okay. I'17 talk to 12 you after the meeting and we'11 get with Bill. 13 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Okay. 14 MR. KOMENSKY: A1l right, Jim? 15 MR. HOOVER: Yeah, I'm good. Is 16 that it, Mike? 17 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I'm good. 18 MR. HOOVER: Dave, borough engineer, 19 what's up? 20 MR. LOPATKA: I don't have anything 21 for the meeting. 22 MR. HOOVER: Did Lindy start yet, 23 that's the question? 24 MR. LOPATKA: Oh, yeah. Yeah. 25 They've been over there. I actually talked to 11 1 them yesterday. I had to contact the water 2 company to get them in touch SO that they could 3 do the tap-in. I know they were doing some 4 electrical stuff today. They needed to get 5 into the concession stand for the electric. 6 So, yeah, they're moving. 7 MR. HOOVER: A17 right. Do you have 8 a set of plans for the DPW area down there? 9 MR. LOPATKA: I don't have a set of 10 plans. I mean, I know that we had a survey 11 done down there years ago. 12 MR. HOOVER: A site plan, just an 13 overall? 14 ATTY. RINALDI: There was one that 15 was approved, but I don't know 16 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 17 MR. LOPATKA: You're talking quite a 18 while ago, right? 19 MR. HOOVER: Yeah. 20 ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. When they 21 built the 22 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 23 MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, yeah. We do 24 have some, probably some surveys. 25 MR. HOOVER: Send me one. E-mail me 12 1 or something. 2 MR. LOPATKA: A11 right. 3 ATTY. RINALDI: I think we found it, 4 Dave, when we were doing those easements for 5 Calus and Deocki (phonetic). 6 MR. HOOVER: I remember seeing one. 7 MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. Is that the 8 ousiness that's on the way 9 ATTY. RINALDI: The cul-de-sac 10 there. 11 MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 12 there was a little drainage that we did there a 13 while back. A couple years ago. 14 ATTY. RINALDI: Uh-huh. 15 MR. LOPATKA: I'11 look and find 16 what I have. I'17 send it to you. 17 MR. KOMENSKY: Are we gonna meet 18 down there, Jimmy? 19 MR. HOOVER: Yeah, we are. It was 20 kind of miserable last week. Now that the 21 weather's warm, we'17 have to get - 22 MR. KOMENSKY: See if we could get 23 together? 24 MR. HOOVER: Start some kind of plan 25 down there. 13 1 MR. KOMENSKY: Do we want to wait 2 until we find the map or 3 MR. HOOVER: Yeah, let's see what he 4 sends me first. 5 MR. KOMENSKY: A17 right. 6 MR. RINALDI: Any other members have 7 any questions for Dave? 8 (No response.) 9 MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Dave. 10 MR. LOPATKA: Thanks. 11 MR. RINALDI: Good evening, Chief. 12 Anything for the meeting tonight or for the 13 upcoming agenda? 14 CHIEF DUBERNAS: I don't have 15 nothing for the meeting. The only thing I have 16 is an update. Thornton told me about four to 17 five weeks for the sign with weather 18 permitting, sO - 19 MR. RINALDI: Any update on the 20 cameras? Did you speak with Bruce? 21 CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yeah. He was here, 22 he looked at a couple things. He said he'd be 23 back in touch with us. 24 MR. RINALDI: Okay. Anyone have any 25 questions for the Chief? 14 1 (No response.) 2 MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Chief. 3 Assistant Fire Chief Bill Stull. Bill, 4 anything for the meeting tonight or for the 5 upcoming agenda? 6 MR. STULL: No, nothing at all. 7 MR. RINALDI: Any members have any 8 questions for Bill? 9 (No response.) / 10 MR. RINALDI: Thank you, Bill. 11 Attorney Rinaldi, anything for the meeting or 12 for the upcoming agenda? 13 ATTY. RINALDI: Resolution for an 14 extension of probationary period for DPW 15 employee and maybe three resolutions for zoning 16 fees, planning fees and paving fees, I think, 17 is done, paving permit fees. 18 MR. RINALDI: Paving permit, zoning, 19 and what was the third? 20 ATTY. RINALDI: Planning fees. 21 MR. RINALDI: Planning. Anything 22 else? 23 ATTY. RINALDI: That's it. Oh yeah, 24 and ratify the court settlement with Stocki. 25 MR. RINALDI: Which will be next 15 1 week before our regular meeting. We're gonna 2 advertise oefore the regular meeting on 3 Tuesday? 4 MS. BARTOLETTI: No, it's part of 5 the meeting. 6 MR. RINALDI: Oh, you're just going 7 to do it at the regular meeting? 8 MS. BARTOLETTI: Yeah. 9 MR. RINALDI: Okay. Any members 10 have any questions for the solicitor? 11 (No response.) 12 MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Bill. Borough 13 manager, Marylynn, anything for the meeting 14 tonight or the upcoming agenda? 15 MS. BARTOLETTI: So, Bill already 16 said about the DPW employee, and the other item 17 that I have is to purchase four Lifepak 1,000 18 AED units, and Chief Dubernas has requested 19 this, SO he could orobably tell you where he 20 wants to place them. 21 CHIEF DUBERNAS: So, the AEDs, the 22 ones that we're trying to get now, are the ones 23 that all Pennsylvania ambulances carry, so they 24 could plug right in, god forbid we ever have an 25 issue, they could just come here and plug right 16 1 into our pads and everything. They're not 2 gonna have to exchange or anything. And 3 they're the newer models of the one we have. 4 The one we have now is obsolete and the 5 battery's dead on it. 6 So, instead of trying to find a 7 battery from somewhere, just the new AEDs. So, 8 we would have one in our building, one here and 9 two for our patrol cars. 10 MR. RINALDI: So one in the borough 11 building here, one in the police station and 12 two for the cars. Will the cars, they'17 be 13 portable SO they'11 be taking them as they go 14 on shifts, each car? 15 CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yeah, each shift. 16 MR. RINALDI: Each shift? 17 CHIEF DUBERNAS: Each shift will 18 have them. 19 MS. BARTOLETTI: They come with the 20 case and all the battery stuff that they need. 21 It's all included. 22 CHIEF DUBERNAS: And that's with 23 both adult and infant pads and everything. 24 MR. RINALDI: Anything else, Mare? 25 MS. BARTOLETTI: No, that's all. 17 1 MR. RINALDI: Any members have any 2 questions for the borough manager? 3 (No response.) 4 MR. RINALDI: Thank you, Marylynn. 5 Before we go around the table, we'11 go into 6 public comment. First we have Jim Pon. Hi, 7 Jim. 8 MR. PON: : How are ya? 9 MR. RINALDI: Good evening. Good. 10 Thank you. How are you? 11 MR. PON: I'm doing well. Thanks. 12 MR. RINALDI: You're. How could we 13 help you? 14 MR. PON: So, I was had an issue 15 last year with a prive yard sale, I had yard 16 sale signs, and it was brought to my attention 17 I was very rude to you, I apologized to you. 18 So, there's now you can't have any yard signs 19 on any of the telephone poles in 01d Forge; is 20 that correct? 21 MR. RINALDI: Have any yard sale 22 signs on them? No. According to the 23 ordinance. 24 MR. PON: Right. I was wondering if 25 there was some way I could work something SO IU 18 1 can do it and just take them down at a certain 2 time, you know what I mean? Because I was 3 talking to Marylynn and she said if I paid, 4 like, $20 a sign, she had mentioned, but 5 MS. BARTOLETTI: It's an ordinance 6 that the Borough has. It's in the zoning about 7 the signs. So, Mike would be, you know, better 8 able to tell you the details of that, but we do 9 get a lot of, you know, we do get people who 10 request them, and it is in the books that 11 they're not allowed. 12 MR. RINALDI: Bill, how would you 13 advise us to handle that? 14 ATTY. RINALDI: I know we looked at 15 this. Do you remember what it said? 16 MS. BARTOLETTI: Each sign would a 17 need permit. 18 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: $25 I think it was 19 per sign, but 20 MR. PON: I mean, I have about ten 21 signs, it's gonna cost me $250, plus I run an 22 ad in the paper for another 50 to 60 bucks, 23 plus the stuff to buy to make the sign, I'm 24 gonna be in over $300 to have a yard sale. 25 What does that even make sense? I'11 just it 19 1 to the curb. 2 MR. RINALDI: What pole do you 3 MR. PON: At my house, 703 Fallon 4 Street. 5 MR. RINALDI: No, I know where you 6 live. 7 MR. PON: Okay. 8 MR. RINALDI: Yeah, but what poles 9 do you usually hang them on, along Main Street, 10 the whole way? 11 MR. PON: Every corner that has a 12 light where people stop. I don't hang them up 13 in the middle of the roads where people are 14 flying by, like CVS and then the one by me over 15 that, what's that hero shop, the hoagie shop 16 there, and I do a couple up on Keyser. 17 So, my thing was I was gonna just 18 ask if I could - I have a yard sale on a 19 Saturday, SO I usually hang them up by 20 Wednesday, Thursday, SO if I have them down by 21 6:00 Saturday the day of, if they're up later 22 than that fine me all you want. That's what 23 would be my suggestion, because I kind of need 24 to have them. I'm probably gonna have, like, 25 60 signs, because I do a lot of buying and 20 1 selling. I got a shed back there with 50 totes 2 full of stuff. I do it every winter and then 3 every summer I just sell. And I drive through 4 Scranton, Avoca, Duryea, Pittston. I have 5 signs everywhere. 6 He followed me last year, as I was 7 hanging them up, he's taking them down. He 8 stopped me, Hey, is this you? I'm like, Dude, 9 what are you doing taking down my signs, man? 10 MS. BARTOLETTI: I tried to warn 11 you. 12 MR. PON: I was getting a lot of 13 crap from everybody that day. 14 MR. RINALDI: Did he at least give 15 them back to you? 16 MR. PON: No. 17 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I put then on your 18 porch. 19 MR. PON: Is that you? 20 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yes I did the 21 address with a note. 22 MR. PON: You stuffed them in my 23 mailbox. 24 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 25 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Every one I get, I 21 1 put it back on the house, I do, and I leave a 2 note. 3 MR. PON: You did leave a note. 4 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 5 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: That was the second 6 time, second offense. 7 MR. PON: : I got two letters. One 8 was, Don't do it, and the second was - let's 9 see what happens if you do it again. Dude, 10 come to my house. 11 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No. I put the 12 ordinance in there. 13 MR. RINALDI: I have a quick 14 question. 15 MR. PON: Yes, sir? 16 MR. RINALDI: Well, it's actually 17 going to be for our zoning officer or our 18 solicitor. And I'm trying to look up the 19 ordinance as I'm talking, sO forgive me. The 20 wording is exact as it's no signs, correct? No 21 signs on any poles. And if there was, you need 22 a permit? 23 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Any utility pole. 24 MR. RINALDI: But if he does want to 25 put one up or if anyone wants to put one up, 22 1 you need a permit? 2 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Nobody came to ask 3 me for one. 4 MR. RINALDI: Okay. 5 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Everybody just 6 assumes that they can do it. 7 MS. BARTOLETTI: So, part of the 8 problem, which why it was opened up, is people 9 complaining about people who have signs, put 10 them up, don't take offense, but people who put 11 the signs up and don't take them down and it 12 looks like crap. 13 And, you know, we have a lot of 14 people in town who, you know, are very 15 fanatical about keeping the town clean and all 16 the kind of stuff and complain and complain and 17 complain. 18 So, that's what prompted, you know, 19 Hey, we have an ordinance that says this. We 20 try to enforce the ordinance. 21 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: There's signs that 22 have been up there for months. 23 MR. RINALDI: Right. 24 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Months. Seriously. 25 And not taken down. They're SO faded and you 23 1 can't even read it. 2 MS. SARTOLETTI: And it's signs for 3 sales, it's signs for buying houses, it's signs 4 for, you know, putting on a roof, it's every 5 kind of sign that go up, SO that's the basis of 6 why we went, myself and Mike and Joe, why we 7 were trying to enforce this. 8 MR. RINALDI: This is only going to 9 be a suggestion, we can't do any we would 10 have vote at a meeting. This is only a 11 proposal I'm proposing to Council, if we were 12 going to allow signs in the future, we'd have 13 to change our ordinance, number one. We'd have 14 to put the wording in how we'd want to describe 15 it. 16 I mean, I wouldn't see why we 17 couldn't allow somebody to come in to buy a 18 permit, put the sign up, but then take it down 19 at a certain time frame, maybe if it is a day, 20 or maybe if it's two days, 48 hours. If not, 21 then you're fined. But right now, according to 22 the ordinance, there isn't anything we could 23 do, correct? 24 MR. LETTIERI: Is the ordinance just 25 a permit just to put them up, or is it every 24 1 sign that he puts up? 2 MS. BARTOLETTI: Every sign. 3 MR. LETTIERI: Every sign? 4 MS. BARTOLETTI: Uh-huh. 5 MR. PON: If I hang up ten signs at 6 25 bucks a sign - 7 MR. RINALDI: Right. 8 MR. PON: I'm not gonna pay somebody 9 250 bucks. That's just kind of silly. 10 MR. RINALDI: No, that's what I was 11 saying, and I don't know what the 12 MR. PON: You want a permit, I'17 13 give you 25 bucks for a permit. 14 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's up to the 15 ordinance. 16 MR. PON: I'm not asking to change 17 nothing, I'm just asking you to not look at the 18 ordinance, just let me hang it up, you know? 19 MR. KOMENSKY: We can't do that. 20 MR. RINALDI: We can't do that. 21 We'd have to look at the ordinance because we 22 have it on the books already. 23 So, then we're gonna have to tell 24 him he can't put any Bill, correct, he can't 25 put any signs up at all? 25 1 ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. I mean, 2 that's what we've been doing. You can put one, 3 I guess, in your yard. 4 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Put them in your 5 yard. 6 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 7 MR. PON: I don't have much traffic. 8 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: You could ask 9 somebody permission to put them in their yard, 10 maybe something like that, I mean, but it's not 11 on the utility poles. 12 MR. PON: And what's the border of 13 01d Forge, Sibley? 14 MR. RINALDI: It's halfway across 15 the street from Sibley down until right about 16 100 feet before Colarusso's Cafe, Colarusso's 17 2.0. You go over past right there - 18 MR. PON: That's Main Street? 19 MR. RINALDI: No. Main Street going 20 down towards Duryea. 21 MR. PON: Right. 22 MR. RINALDI: Yeah. There's a sign 23 right a little bit in oetween Agostini's Bakery 24 and Colarusso's 2.0, you'17 see the border 25 there, and then that turns into Duryea, and 26 1 then it's halfway past Sibley Avenue. 2 MR. PON: And what about if you go 3 behind the gas station, what's that Broadhead 4 Road, is that the border? 5 MR. RINALDI: Which gas station? 6 MR. BUTLER: Broadhead Street. 7 MR. PON: Broadhead Street, right. 8 I work right there in Duryea. 9 MR. KOMENSKY: Up by the candy 10 company. You know where Sweetheart Candy is? 11 Used to be the credit union. 12 MR. RINALDI: I think the border of 13 there would be right around Sweetheart Candy. 14 Right before. 15 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 16 MR. RINALDI: There's a little 17 credit union there now. 18 MR. PON: Oh, yeah. I do know that 19 one. So that's the border. 20 MR. RINALDI: That's the border. 21 MR. PON: That's the border of 22 Duryea and 01d Forge? 23 MR. RINALDI: Yeah. Right around 24 there. 25 MR. PON: And up to Keyser, right? 27 1 Sibley to Keyser, right? 2 MR. RINALDI: Keyser Avenue 3 probably, the border right around there would 4 be a little past Sibley, like by the old 5 Graziano tucking company. 6 MS. SHOTWELL: Or before you get to 7 the old third rail. He's been here 12 years. 8 Past Backyards, the old Backyards. 9 MR. PON: Yeah, yeah, yeah. A17 10 right. Good to know. So I know where to hang 11 my signs. 12 MR. RINALDI: Or, like the zoning 13 officer said, if you found people who allowed 14 you put it in their yards, like how people put 15 political signs in their yard with the stakes. 16 MR. PON: Yeah. I got you. What if 17 I ask the people in McDonald's, the pole in 18 front of McDonald's? It's can't be on the 19 pole, right? 20 MR. RINALDI: If it's on McDonald's 21 property, we can't do anything about that. 22 MR. PON: But that's a telephone 23 pole. 24 MR. RINALDI: Well, not a telephone 25 pole. 28 1 MR. PON: A17 right. 2 MR. RINALDI: I will say this, the 3 guy who's next door to my restaurant right 4 here, he has the real estate company, if you 5 contact him, right across Anytime Fitness is a 6 big, open area, he usually lets people put all 7 type of signs in there if you wanted to contact 8 him. 9 MR. PON: Right next to Cafe 10 Rinaldi? 11 MR. RINALDI: Yeah. Right in 12 between 13 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 14 MR. RINALDI: Right. There used to 15 be an old MAC machine there. His name is Mark, 16 and he has that realty company next door. 17 Usually, I mean, around election time, he lets 18 all kind of people put signs there. 19 I mean, obviously you have to ask 20 his permission, but I'm just saying it's a good 21 spot. You know, maybe he'd let you put 22 something in there. 23 MR. PON: A11 right. I'11 do that. 24 Thank you. I appreciate it. 25 MR. RINALDI: You're very welcome. 29 1 MR. PON: So I got one other thing. 2 MR. RINALDI: Sure. 3 MR. PON: So if somebody put sheds 4 on your property, is there a limit, like the 5 size of structures you'11 allow on your 6 property? 7 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Under a thousand 8 square feet you don't need a building permit. 9 MR. PON: The building itself, you 10 mean? 11 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah. 12 MR. PON: So, if I have a regular 13 shed that's eight by ten, am I allowed another 14 eight by ten? That's my question. 15 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No. 16 ATTY. RINALDI: One accessory use. 17 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: One accessory 18 building. 19 ATTY. RINALDI: Just off the top of 20 my head. 21 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I think it is, I 22 think it's just one. 23 MR. PON: You're calling that shed 24 an accessory building? So that's it, there's 25 only one shed? What if I build up? I'm 30 1 kidding. I was curious, I need another shed, 2 but if I'm only allowed the one, I guess I 3 can't do it, right? Now, is there a permit for 4 that? 5 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: For a shed, yes. 6 MR. PON: For an extra one, for 7 another one? Do I need it for my initial one? 8 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: If you put one in, 9 you should have one, yes. 10 MR. PON: Oh, crap. A17 right. So, 11 how do I go about getting that? 12 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Well, how long has 13 it been there? 14 MR. PON: I don't know, four years, 15 five years. We built it ourselves, me and my 16 brother. 17 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: A little too late 18 now. 19 MR. PON: Okay. So then whatever 20 that is, I want another one, is there a permit 21 to do that, to get an extra one or 22 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I don't know. What 23 if you added on to one, connect it? 24 ATTY. RINALDI: No. If you're 25 remodeling your shed, yes, and it's a thousand 31 1 square feet 2 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: If it's under a 3 thousand square feet, then all you need is a 4 zoning permit. It's a $25 fee. 5 MR. PON: A11 right. So when I want 6 to add onto my shed, I come here? 7 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yes. 8 MR. PON: And I just pay 25 bucks 9 and I'm good to go? 10 MR. RINALDI: So you would make one 11 shed under a thousand square feet. 12 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Right. 13 MR. RINALDI: You'd come and get a 14 permit, have one shed under a thousand square 15 feet. 16 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 17 MR. PON: That's gonna be huge, 18 because I'm only eight by ten. That's 80 19 square feet, right? 20 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Right. 21 MR. RINALDI: Right. What he's 22 saying is it has to be one unit, sO you can't 23 have two sheds eight by ten. You could have 24 one shed 20 by 50. 25 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 32 1 MR. PON: But I can add onto it? 2 MR. RINALDI: You can add onto it. 3 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Just only one 4 structure, yeah. 5 MR. RINALDI: As long as it's one 6 structure, you could have it. 7 MR. PON: So under a thousand, you 8 don't need a permit. 9 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: You need zoning, a 10 $25 zoning permit. 11 MR. PON: Okay. 12 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: You don't any 13 building permit which has to be - anything 14 over a thousand has to be inspected and there 15 has to be drawings. 16 MR. PON: A11 right. So I just give 17 the zoning 25 bucks? 18 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah. 19 MR. PON: So, when we're ready to 20 add on, just come down 21 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Come see me. 22 MR. PON: A11 right. 23 MR. RINALDI: Just come see Mike and 24 apply for the permit. 25 MR. PON: : A17 right. Sounds good. 33 1 MR. RINALDI: Anything else? 2 MR. PON: No. That's all. 3 MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Jim. 4 MR. PON: Thank you. Appreciate it. 5 MR. RINALDI: Appreciate you. Have 6 a good night. Jen Murawski 7 MS. MURAWSKI: Thank you. We're 8 here from the historical society, SO it's nice 9 to see all of you, and thank you for all of 10 your help, Marylynn. 11 We have two things, three things 12 that we had. The first was that we're just 13 letting people know that we're having an open 14 house event again. We were SO grateful, thank 15 you sO much, Mr. Legg, for coming last year 16 when we did our trial run. We have SO many 17 great things for the Borough, kind of photos. 18 MAYOR LEGG: It was very nice. 19 MS. MURAWSKI: Thank you. We had 20 about 70 people come for our exploratory just 21 to see if people were even interested. 22 So, Saturday, April 12th, I think at 23 11 a.m. in Saint Lawrence Church in the main 24 hall we're putting out the tables to display 25 photos and records and yearbooks and all sorts 34 1 of things we have in our collection. So, just 2 to state that for the record that we're having 3 it and we were grateful for your support last 4 time in sharing it. 5 And thank you, Mr. Rinaldi, for 6 sharing everything on the new borough community 7 Facebook page. 8 MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. 9 MS. MURAWSKI: It's nice to have 10 another way to reach people. 11 MS. SHOTWELL: Jen, what time did 12 you say? 13 MS. MURAWSKI: We're planning 11 14 a.m. and we may do a workshop with Cheryl 15 Keyser who does how to oreserve your family 16 photos and make a digital family photo archive 17 that your relatives in 01d Forge and people 18 elsewhere, but that part we're still working 19 out the details of. 20 So, 11 to maybe two or 3:00 is out 21 plan for that event. So, we'1l share it once 22 we figure out the final details and we'17 put 23 it on our Facebook page and share it with the 24 borough page. 25 So, because of that, because we were 35 1 looking through our photo archive collection, I 2 had asked Mr. Rinaldi on Facebook, we had seen 3 the photos of the senior center building in 4 progress and knew that there was maybe some 5 chance that - we have SO many great photos 0 from the town's history, and some of the old, 7 you know the details better than I do, the old 8 maps, they're all hanging in Saint Lawrence Church right now where the stations of the 10 cross used to be on the walls, the Sons of 11 Italy. If you're looking for them, I'm just 12 letting you know, that's where they are. 13 MS. BARTOLETTI: So that's all the 14 stuff that used to be in the borough building 15 that we just didn't bring here yet. 16 MS. MURAWSKI: They're in the 17 church, sO somebody hung them on the wall, I 18 guess. 19 MS. BARTOLETTI: I think some of the 20 guys who play bocce got their hands on them, 21 and I think 22 MS. MURAWSKI: They were in a box 23 and I think somebody just hung them on the 24 wall. And I think the big banner, the big 25 photos, those big, maybe, like, eighth foot by 36 1 five or six foot ones, they used to be leaning 2 against bocce court walls. I'm not sure where 3 they tucked them, but I'm assuming they're in 4 the main church hall. 5 And SO just to say we were talking 6 about this and how we received a lot of new 7 photos and we have some really nice historical 8 photos and maps, and SO I had asked Mr. Rinaldi 9 if it was something that if we had some of the 10 photos printed or framed, would it be something 11 we'd want to hang in the senior center, and he 12 advised me to come tonight to ask. 13 But then I talked to Marylynn on the 14 phone and we had a conversation, and she let us 15 know that there is some plan, or you'd like to 16 have something with that stick-on wallpaper 17 maybe with some of the old maps or photos for 18 some location. 19 MS. BARTOLETTI: That was the plan 20 for the hallways and the walls in here that we 21 just haven't gotten to that point yet. I think 22 we all felt that we wanted to get more 23 comfortable with the building before we started 24 to decorate it up. 25 So, some of the, you know, the 37 1 things like you said, on the walls and 2 everything, they were all in the old borough 3 building and, you know, eventually will come 4 back here. 5 And then what I had told you about 6 the senior center, we're looking at at least, 7 I'm going to say, probably, like, on the 8 building, a date of August before that's even 9 finished. So, it's kind of hard to make plans 10 for a room that's not done yet. 11 MS. MURAWSKI: As I said on the 12 phone, our main thing was we wanted to offer 13 before the doors were closed that if you'd like 14 some of the photos, which, you know, we're 15 happy to do high quality scans, we're happy to 16 print, maybe something could be framed, like, 17 something very reasonable. We're not talking 18 about anything crazy, we just thought it would 19 be really nice to bring some these historical 20 photos that maybe people have never seen, and 21 at the open house, as well, we have displays of 22 photos, we have old school class photos from 23 the yearbooks. 24 So, just to say if it's something 25 you'd like for the town's history to put in 38 1 public places, we now have the capacity and 2 people who are good at scanning and taking 3 higher resolution photos, they'17 be happy to 4 volunteer to provide any of that raw material. 5 MR. LETTIERI: I just have a 6 question. So the pictures that are at Saint 7 Lawrence, are they the original pictures from 8 our old borough building? 9 MS. MURAWSKI: That's my 10 understanding is that somebody 11 MS. BARTOLETTI: Those are ours. 12 Those are coming back to us. They're ours. 13 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 14 MS. MURAWSKI: And I would just say 15 that - 16 MS. BARTOLETTI: Yeah. There's 17 others, many, many, many others, as well, that 18 the historical society has. 19 MR. LETTIERI: Okay. 20 MS. MURAWSKI: Yes. Our collection 21 has a lot of additional stuff, and also we're 22 starting projects to scan things and digitize 23 SO they can be shared. Tom Perone (phonetic) 24 has a huge collection of photos and things he's 25 been sharing, as well. 39 1 And SO we wanted to take advantage, 2 especially since a lot of our members are 3 getting oder and have collections that we want 4 to make sure are preserved for the town's 5 history. 6 So, that was number one, we wanted 7 to offer, if it is useful, and to have scans, 8 and we are happy to provide different varieties of pictures if there's some desire for certain 10 themes. We have a lot of old businesses of 01d 11 Forge, downtown, settings, kind of thing. 12 And then the second thing we had was 13 just to say we know that this may be - - I 14 think, Marylynn, you let me know that it may 15 not be happening or it may be something that 16 interest was lost in, but we just wanted to 17 reiterate that with the town's - - I know the 18 125th anniversary was last year, but that if 19 there are plans for town celebrations or you'd 20 like assistance, we're very happy to assist and 21 volunteer, and we have some newer members who 22 are very happy to help with any kind of 23 logistics or planning that might be useful if 24 there was going to be any kind of small 25 celebration, or even if it was very short, some 40 1 kind of public, you know, when the senior 2 center is complete, the borough building's been 3 complete, if there's any kind of town occasion, 4 we just wanted to reiterate that we're happy to 5 help and participate in some way. 6 MR. RINALDI: Appreciate that. 7 MS. MURAWSKI: And we have some new 8 energy and, you know, we'd love to see the J community have a center where things were 10 happening, sO 11 MR. RINALDI: Jen, quick question I 12 have for you. 13 MS. MURAWSKI: Sure. 14 MR. RINALDI: I know when you have 15 the meetings and you have the displays you have 16 it all displayed at Saint Lawrence currently? 17 MS. MURAWSKI: What we did last time 18 when we had the open house was we just put the 19 tables all around the edges of the bocce court 20 sO that nobody would trip on those wood 21 barriers they have on the edges, sO that way 22 people could just walk around the edges of the 23 bocce courts. 24 And then we had different station 25 tables for all the different themes. We had 41 1 businesses, we had, you know, the mines, we 2 had, whatever, the yearbooks, the photos from 3 all the different schools that used to be in 4 01d Forge. 5 And sO we do have a lot of those photos, and some of our members come for a work 7 session each month and they collate and collect 8 them. 9 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 10 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That we what? 11 MS. MURAWSKI: The work sessions 12 that we have all kind of photos sorted by 13 they're all cataloged and we have different 14 categories, and SO we could pull photos based 15 on anything people want to see. 16 We have a lot of unidentified photos 17 that people have given to us, but that's why 18 we're trying to work on this digital photo 19 project sO that we can better, while people are 20 alive and remember, help us, instead of just 21 giving us boxes of unidentified photos. 22 MR. RINALDI: Where do you store 23 them when they're not on display? 24 MS. MURAWSKI: Everything is in the 25 back room of the Saint Lawrence Church, the old 42 1 priest area behind where the alter used to be. 2 So that back room is kept locked and there's 3 some, I think between Mr. Febbo, your uncle, 4 and Karl Orchefsky (phonetic) who's our 5 president officially, sal Luzio, since Sal Luzio has had to step back because of his 7 health. 8 Yeah, but everything is kept locked 9 in the cabinets back there. So, yeah, that's 10 where it is for the moment. 11 MR. RINALDI: Okay. Thanks for 12 coming this evening. Appreciate it. 13 MS. MURAWSKI: Yeah. And as I said, 14 any help we can be for any upcoming things, I 15 talked to Marylynn extensively, but we just 16 wanted to offer. 17 MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Jennifer. 18 Appreciate it. Before we go around the table, 19 any other members from the public like to 20 address us? 21 (No response.) 22 MR. RINALDI: Thank you. Mayor 23 Legg, anything for the meeting? 24 MAYOR LEGG: Thank you, Mr. 25 Chairman. 43 1 MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. 2 MAYOR LEGG: As Jennifer mentioned, 3 I went to the one last year and it's fantastic. 4 You got to get down there. There's a lot of 5 photos and relics and what have you. I got to 6 take my two little goobers to get them cut on 7 Saturday, I'17 be down that way anyhow, SO I 8 will stop in. 9 That's all I have, Mr. Chairman. 10 Thank you. 11 MR. RINALDI: Councilwoman 12 Jones-Shotwell7 13 MS. SHOTWELL: Jennifer, I want to 14 thank you. And, also, I want to talk to you 15 after. I don't know what years you have, but I 16 have discovered some very early ones up in the 17 back rooms of the school over the years. 18 MS. MURAWSKI: We were actually 19 going to see if we could oorrow the school's 20 collection. 21 MS. SHOTWELL: Yeah. I can 22 definitely help you with that, but I have, I 23 think, like, 1929 and 1931. I don't know if 24 you have 25 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 44 1 MS. SHOTWELL: I have them in my 2 desk because I look at them all the time. I 3 think they're fascinating. 4 (Inaudible crosstalk.) 5 MS. MURAWSKI: We're happy to help 0 scan and digitize them. 7 MS. SHOTWELL: Yeah. I think that 8 would be great. There's no such thing as 9 senior orojects anymore, that would have been a 10 good senior project for a couple of kids. 11 MS. MURAWSKI: When I heard that 12 senior projects were gone, we were very upset 13 because we have a lot possible senior projects. 14 MS. SHOTWELL: Yeah. Yeah. No, I 15 think that's all really great. And thank you 16 to you and the other members of the historical 17 society for preserving all that because it's 18 really important, and I'17 be sure to be there. 19 I don't have anything else. Thank 20 you. 21 MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. 22 Councilman Komensky? 23 MR. KOMENSKY: Jennifer, thanks for 24 coming today. Appreciate it. And we'11 be 25 seeing you in April. 45 1 MS. MURAWSKI: Thank you. 2 MR. KOMENSKY: I just want to thank 3 the staff for the work on Amity Avenue. I know 4 it's been a really tough week and a half, but 5 thank you for your hard work, Chief. Thank 6 you, Mike. Thank you. And whoever else put in 7 the time. I know it was no easy task. Chief 8 Stull, thank you very much. 9 But thank you again on behalf of the 10 residents. I know it's not an easy task. 11 CHIEF DUBERNAS: So, she just 12 messaged me, she's at 126 and they expect to be 13 there another two weeks, because they're 14 setting traps. 15 MR. RINALDI: 126 on the property? 16 CHIEF DUBERNAS: So far. 126 out of 17 the house, the two dogs, and they're setting 18 traps, and every day they're averaging about 15 19 in the traps. 20 MR. KOMENSKY: That's all I have. 21 Thank you. 22 MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. 23 Councilman Lettieri? 24 MR. LETTIERI: Just, Jennifer, thank 25 you for sharing. I appreciate the invite and 46 1 I'm looking forward to it. Thank you SO much. 2 MR. RINALDI: Councilman Butler? 3 MR. BUTLER: Just, Jen, thank you 4 for coming out and letting us know about that, 5 because I see those oictures on the wall pretty 6 much every Monday night there. Some of them 7 are very, very, like, they're enlightening. I 8 hope to see you at the event. That's all I 9 have. 10 MR. RINALDI: Councilwoman McCawley? 11 MS. MCCAWLEY: Same thing, thank 12 you, Jennifer, for coming in. I'17 be there. 13 Thank you. 14 MR. RINALDI: Councilman Hoover? 15 MR. HOOVER: Jen, thanks for putting 16 your time in and doing this. I appreciate it. 17 That's it. 18 MR. RINALDI: The only items I have 19 are two things, Jen, thank you. As everyone 20 else said, we appreciate it. If there's 21 anything we could do to help you or assist, 22 please let us know. 23 I also would like to make it that 24 day if I'm available. I going to try and I 25 would like to be there. 47 1 Council had an executive session 2 earlier this evening, and we also had an 3 executive session after our last meeting. 4 Other than that, I don't have any other items. 5 If no one else has any, the Chair would make a 3 motion to adjourn the work session. 7 MR. KOMENSKY: So move. 8 MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by 9 Councilman Komensky. A1l in favor? 10 ALL MEMBERS: Aye. 11 MR. RINALDI: The ayes have it. 12 Good night everyone. Thank you for coming. 13 14 (Meeting adjourned.) 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 48 1 CERIIFICALE 2 3 I hereby certify that the proceedings and 4 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the 5 notes taken by me of the above-cause and that this copy 0 is a correct transcript of the same to the best of my 7 ability. 8 9 - 10 Miakollo LMARIA Michelle Smolskis 11 Official Court Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (The foregoing certificate of this transcript does not 24 apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and/or supervision of 25 the certifying reporter.)