1 1 2 3 4 OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA 5 IN RE: COUNCIL WORK SESSION 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DECEMBER 3, 2024 7:20 P.M. OLD FORGE MUNICIPAL BUILDING 314 SOUTH MAIN STREET OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA COUNCIL MEMBERS: RUSSELL RINALDI, PRESIDENT JAMES HOOVER, VICE-PRESIDENT ANDREW BUTLER JENNA JONES-SHOTWELL MICHAEL KOMENSKY MICHAEL LETTIERI ROBERT LEGG, MAYOR WILLIAM RINALDI, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR MARYLYNN BARTOLETTI, BOROUGH MANAGER Mark Wozniak Official Court Reporter 2 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We're going to 2 3 4 move right into our work session. Once again, good evening. The purpose of tonight's work session will be to go through our department heads, our members of council, our mayor, our solicitor, our borough manager to set the agenda for our regular meeting which will be Tuesday, 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 December 17, 2024. We also have a public sign-in sheet tonight. If anyone from the public would like to address us we'11 give you a few moments at the end of the work session. With that said, we're going to move right to our first department heard, our DPW manager, Joseph Lenceski. Joe, good evening. Anything for the meeting tonight or the upcoming agenda? MR. LENCESKI: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for Joe? MR. BUTLER: Joe, I just want to say great job with the snow. There was wires and branches and everything down all over town. Great job. 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It was a great job, Joe. The storm came fast, came hard, heavy. Between you, the police department, the fire department, you guys really : you were out there day and night. A17 three departments, all three crews really did a good job in town. Thank you. Anything else for Joe? Thank you, Joe. Mike SOKolowsk1, code enforcement/zoning officer, good evening. Anything for the meeting or for the agenda coming up? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No, I don't have anything. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have any questions for Michael? MR. LETTIERI: Mike, any updates on the Grace Street apartments? Last time I believe Mr. Zupon was here complaining about domestic issues over there. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: There's been no complaints. The evictions are coming up the end of the month. MR. HOOVER: How about our fence guy on Moosic Road, did he get an occupancy 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 permit yet? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No. He was at the planning commission, his engineer, Emmett, got all the information he needs to finalize everything. MR. HOOVER: But he still put a fence up? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah. He's closing ito off just to clean it up. MR. HOOVER: I don't care. He's not supposed to be doing anything. This guy keeps doing what he wants to do. Nobody gave him, he just put the fence up. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No, I gave him a permit. MR. HOOVER: Did you give him an occupancy permit. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No. MR. HOOVER: I don't understand. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Is he doing business? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No. MR. HOOVER: The planning commission told him that he had to get a site plan for parking and what the grounds are going to 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 look like before he gets an occupancy permit. Next day he put the fence up and closed himself in. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: That was a couple week ago. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So he has a permit for the fence. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Just the fence. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: No occupancy permit. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: He's not doing any business. Bill, legal question for you. Is he able to still construct a fence with a permit for the fence and be closed? ATTY. RINALDI: He might be able to do the fence because he's fencing in his property. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: He's fencing the property in, sO it's kind of making everybody else happy, the Pikarskis, closing it off. ATTY. RINALDI: You don't have to go to planning to put up a fence around your yard or property. It would have been nice 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 if he came in and put it on his plan. MR. LOPATKA: Well, it should be on the plan when he comes back in. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So according to Councilman Hoover, to satisfy him and the legal part of it, he's not doing anything wrong, then, right now. He's not operating, doesn't have the permits. He did get the permit for the fence. MR. HOOVER: You don't know if he's working. MR. RUSSEL RINALDI: Well, to our zoning officer's knowledge he's not. MR. BUTLER: Something behind the fence? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Could he be doing something we can't see? Absolutely. Mike, can you contact him tomorrow and make him aware that he should not be doing any type of business until he comes forward and gets the occupancy permit? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Well, he knows. He got a fine for it and he's paying on the fines. 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilman Hoover raises a good question. If he is behind that fence doing something we don't know. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: You can see from the road. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Or just stop in there tomorrow and let him know once again, and look around and see it it looks like he's doing any business in there. You'1l be able to tell. Anything else, Michael? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any of the members have any questions for Mike? Thanks, Mike. Dave Lopatka, engineer, good evening. Anything for the meeting tonight or the upcoming agenda? MR. LOPATKA: The upcoming agenda, I did give you guys a copy of our letter recommending Linde for the Pagnotti Park phase one portion of the project. There were two bids. I gave those to Marylynn. I think I e-mailed her a copy of everything as 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 well today. So the two bidders were Linde and Cobalt Construction. They both had everything that was required. Linde's bid was $170,176. That would be something that you could put on the agenda if you want to move forward with that for te next meeting. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Dave, this construction would start after the upcoming baseball season? MR. LOPATKA: No, this is just the prep work to bring the water line over and bring the electric up to that building. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So is before : MR. LOPATKA: This would be before, then we will bid out in probably March or April the field portion of it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So the prep work done before the season? MR. LOPATKA: When the season's over the can grade the field, put in irrigation system and power everything up. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Separate project, separate bid. MR. HOOVER: Dave, the lights that 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 are going to be put eventually at Pagnotti where do they gate three phase from? They need three phase for the lights. Correct? MR. LOPATKA: Well, typically you need it. They would likely have to run another line into that building, then upgrade the service. MR. HOOVER: Where we're running this water line from is there three phase on Villa Drive? MR. LOPATKA: That I don't know. MR. HOOVER: How can we find that out? MR. LOPATKA: I can make a phone call to PP&L. MR. HOOVER: Because if the three phase is there are we picking up this 300 feet of 400 feet? Could we put a casing in the ground. MR. LOPATKA: First you need an easement for a water line. Secondly, typically water and electric don't want to be in the same trench. So a separate trench if they were going to run it. MR HOOVER: Put the electrical into 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the : MR. LOPATKA: You can put a conduit in. MR. HOOVER: Just put a conduit in the street in case we can use it for the three phase. MR. LOPATKA: Again, you want to put it in a separate trench. The water company does not want to be in the trench with electric. MR. HOOVER: You put the water line in and put the conduit for the sprinkler system, whatever you have to do, put the conduit in the ground. For the three phase we need : MR. LOPATKA: I can inquire. MR. HOOVER: If it's not there it's a - moot point. If it's there I think the best thing to do is use it. Joe, do you know if it's there? MR. LENCESKI: No, I don't know. MR. HOOVER: It's something to look into before we start this project. It's nothing to throw a casing in the ground. MR. BUTLER: Dave, while you have 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PPL on the line can you ask them if they can instal pole lights on the poles coming down Villa Drive? There's not lighting once you get sO far down that road. MR. LOPATKA: Typically the lights : aren't the lights the borough's? MS. BARTOLETTI: If we have to add a light what we do is we get the pole number and the office, after council says yes, we want to put a light there, council approves it and then we call PPL and they add it on. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: But there's poles there right now. MR. BUTLER: There's poles. MR. LOPATKA: You guys own the lights. MS. BARTOLETTI: No. MR. LOPATKA: You can request lights. MS. BARTOLETTI: Yes. MR. HOOVER: That's all I have. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else have any questions for Dave? MR. LOPATKA: The other thing is I guess Nicholas Drive. I don't know if you 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have any questions on that. I put together two sketches that kind of show - two different options that you can do to limit the expanse of that intersection. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I have a couple questions about it, Dave. First of all, I appreciate the two designs you got for us. We could alter, I'm guessing, whichever way council decides to go. MR. LOPATKA: These are sketches. They can be tweaked. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The inside, it doesn't have to be grass. Right? It can be some type of stone or rock. MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The other question I have is I know we talked about the streetlight over there, but I talked to the DPW manager, Joe, about it and Joe was saying that a streetlight, if we wanted to put one in would be on the opposite side of the street? MR. LENCESKI: The south side of Winter. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Following in 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 line with the other ones there, just adding one more. MR. LENCESKI: I personally think you can justify the one because you're coming from Amity, that's Buberniak, and there's three of them. They go every three houses. Then the last one you have, like, seven, eight, nine houses and then the next one is on the corner of Albion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So put one in line with the other three. Add a fourth. I know last meeting or the meeting before we brought up to put one here, but put one with the other : MR. LENCESKI: Closer to that intersection. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It will only be across the street and a little diagonal. One house down. Dave, my last question would be our next step to move forward, we pick a design that you gave us and then you get us a cost estimate? MR. LOPATKA: Well, we can design it. Like, this is something - like, we can 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 design it : MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Or we can get a - different design other than this. MR. LOPATKA: I think those are probably the only two real options you have. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. MR. LOPATKA: Option one, I think that kind of really slows traffic down at that enter because you're splitting it and you're bringing the people who used to come straight through here straight through and just right out, you're kind of slowing them down and bringing them right to the stop sign. That option I think we would have to tweak a little bit to make sure that those two houses on either side of the street still have access to back in. This option would work. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So both roads are two way? MR. LOPATKA: No, one way in and the other one is the other way out. Those are one lane each where the split is. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So it's one lane out and one lane in. 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HOOVER: Put a sign there. MR. LOPATKA: You can put a sign, then I would put a stripe on the side coming in. You can see there's some line striping there on that option one. When they're coming down Nicholas just to that point there's striping there to make the cars coming, I guess, south to veer off. We'11 put a sign there right turn or stop sign or : MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Right turn only. MS. SHOTWELL: Is there going to be room for people to park on this side of Nicholas? People who live here, will they still be able to park in front and have a lane of traffic come through there? MR. BUTLER: No. MR. LOPATKA: Basically I split te street. So each of these lanes is the same width with two lanes anyway. MR. HOOVER: That guy can't get in his driveway from one way. MR. BUTLER: It's got to be two lawns going in and coming out. 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. SHOTWELL: They have to merge, almost. MR. BUTLER: You can make the middle smaller and now you're making the lanes wider. MS. SHOTWELL: Somebody's coming down Winter and up Winter and they're both going to turn onto Nicholas they can't : MR. LOPATKA: They'd never mesh back in because it's a main street. You split the lane as you're coming down : say you're coming down Nicholas. These lanes are still the same width as the single lanes that are on Nicholas. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Same width as what's there now. MR. HOOVER: You have to have a car to be able to get by there. That's where they park. MR. LOPATKA: They have driveways. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Good point. See this one lane, this one direction? That's two lanes. If we took this and brought that back a little bit, left this two lanes they'd still have room on both 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 sides but it's still : there's two lanes, room on the side to park, but this is little smaller. MR. LOPATKA: We can do whatever you want to do. With this one, basically if you look at those two lanes these two lanes are the same width as the road itself. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The reason why asked that : MR. LOPATKA: We can flatten this radius out and create more space there. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: This is talking to the neighbors over there. The bus stop stops right here, sO we're going to have the bus stop dropping kids off, like they already are now, though, in one intersection and another one. If we had the single piece of land shortened the bus stop would drop them off right here a lot safer from the traffic coming and going this way. MR. LOPATKA: Agreed, but the more we pull that back, the more you still have you're basically going to have what you have now. MS. SHOTWELL: What you're trying to 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 accomplish is the stop sign not sO far away. Nobody pulls this way, to the left. MR. LOPATKA: But if you flatten that radius on too much people aren't going to see that stop sign similar to what it is now. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm looking at all angles. MR. LENCESKI: I do like one. It definitely slows traffic down. She school bus can go wherever they want. It's 300 feet. They don't have to stop there. MR. LETTIERI: That's what the problem is, slow traffic down. Two is going to keep it the same, I think. MR. BUTLER: I just don't like the one way in and one way out. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: When we talk about one we mean one piece of land. MR. LOPATKA: The lanes are the exact same width as they are on Main Street. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Why don't we do this. We have time to discuss it. Let's look at this and meet on it. MR. KOMENSKY: Make sure all the 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 neighbors are in agreement. MS. SHOTWELL: If you're taking away all the parking in front of their house that's -- I would not be in favor of that. MR. LOPATKA: This is just to give you ideas. I can do it either way. Honestly, doing it with the two lanes it doesn't matter. We can put some signage up there to keep people alerting to the fact that the stop sign is right here as well. The hard part about the way it is now is that stop sign can't be anywhere else. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It's sO far out. MR. LOPATKA: We could put striping there, put stop bars there. There's things we can do to slow the traffic down. MR. LENCESKI: I would say the best thing to do is get some paint and paint the thing and everybody look at it. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Do an outline. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Also, Councilman Hoover, Councilwoman vones-Shotwell mentioned, too, we should let all the neighbors know our intentions of 20 1 2 3 what we're doing over there. If you want to send them a letter just to those houses over there and let them know what we're looking to do sO all the neighbors have a little heads up. I like that idea. Dave, anything 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 else? MR. LOPATKA: No. MR. HOOVER: The veterans' wall, where we at with the veterans' wall? MS. BARTOLETTI: Dave can give you more details on that. He's been working on the plan. MR. LOPATKA: I have it pretty much ready. I know I sent the proposals. I need them to do the lighting. They have to pull power off of the building somehow because there's power there. Then I was going to have them kind of do a photometrics sO we can see at spray of the lights sO we're not overshooting it too much. That's the only thing that's left. That will be ready to go once I have them finalized. And the bids for the senior center come back next Friday. MS. BARTOLETTI: This Friday. 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LOPATKA: Actually the county will open them. It's CDBG, sO the bids are through the county. I think I had two addendums that I kind of threw on there. The bids are due on Friday, sO they'11 be opened, I believe, at noon or 2:00 on Friday. MS. BARTOLETTI: Two o'clock. MR. HOOVER: That can be a winter job for them. MS. BARTOLETTI: Definitely. MR. LOPATKA: We'11 have those numbers next week sometime. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any members have any questions for Dave? MR. LENCESKI: I don't know if a pole would fall under Marylynn's discretional spending of it that would have to be on the agenda for you guys to vote on to put a pole in. MR. LOPATKA: Is there a pole where you want to : MR. LENCESKI: No, underground utilities. MS. BARTOLETTI: I'm sure we can get 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the ball rolling on it. We can order it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We can get the pole installed way before we do the project. Dave, anything else? MR. LOPATKA: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Police chief, Jason Dubernas, anything for the meeting or for the upcoming agenda? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Nothing for the agenda, but I do have an update on Maxson Drive. His hearing is in January. The cars. A11 the cars on the property. January. Caputo. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: What are the details of it? How many cars are we looking at over there? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Three. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It's just to get rid of the abandoned vehicles? CHIEF DUBERNAS: We cited him under the ordinance with the property with Mike. They sent letters, the letters were rejected, and Kimball got the returns back sO we sent the citation. Where is it going to go? I don't know. It might turn into 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 going to the next step. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So some of his vehicles are registered legal. We're going to court with him over the ones that aren't. Correct? MR. HOOVER: These are just the ones in the street. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No, in the yard, too. CHIEF DUBERNAS: No, the whole property. Kimball and Mike are working on together. We cited it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else, Chief? CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Ay members have any questions for the chief? Thank you, Chief. Assistant Fire Chief, Bill Stull. Bill, good evening. Anything for the meeting tonight or for the agenda coming up? MR. STULL: No, nothing. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any members have any questions for Bill? Thank you, Bill. 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Attorney Rinaldi, good evening. Anything for the meeting tonight of for the upcoming agenda? ATTY. RINALDI: I believe I have the parking on Franklin Street. CHIEF DUBERNAS: And Bennett. A11 on the same one. From Gaylord to Austin Street. ATTY. RINALDI: So that will be one ordinance. We'11 have the ordinance for the tax ordinances and whichever other fees the borough wants to decide. I have two resolutions. One for a radio purchase, and accepting an ATV donation by the borough. Marylynn's going to get me all those details. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any other items? ATTY. RINALDI: That's all. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any members have any questions for the attorney? Thanks, Bill. Borough manager, Marylynn Bartolett1, good evening again. Anything for the meeting tonight or for the agenda? 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. BARTOLETTI: So for the agenda I have the first item would be I need to have an adjustment made to a resolution for a Monroe LSA safety grant. We have to adjust the cost. The second one is to pass a resolution for the statewide LSA grant for Miles Street park. Third is to pass a resolution for the Main Street Matters?? Grant. Number four is to pass the formal budget. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any members have any questions for the borough manager? Thank you, Marylynn. Before we go down the table, Chief, is there anyone from the public? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Ms. Cummings. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Good evening. How are you? MS. CUMMINGS: Good. How are you? This is the last place I want to be tonight, but there's a situation on West Grace that I spoke to code enforcement about and something has to be fixed. I don't know how 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 many of you are familiar with where I live on West Grace. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I am. MS. CUMMINGS: Whoever decided to make that one-sided parking made it impossible for parking on the side that I live on. So there was no issues up until this year. Mr. Pasqualina -- is that their name? Pasqualina Properties purchased Pescuch's old house. People that live on the street know the son lived upstairs, mother lived downstairs, then Phil sold it to the Smiths, and the Smith family was wonderful. They have a huge driveway there, and unlike everybody here prepared with a picture, I don't have pone. But they have a long driveway there. The Smiths had a couple kids and four or five SUVS. They would park those SUVs in the driveway, and when the wife had to go to work at the post office they would all have to back out onto West Grace because that's now one-sided parking. Then the son wold come out and move the cars back into the driveway. Well, this guy that's living there 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 now, that just purchased this building, is renovating. Can I approach? That's my house, that's his truck. That's my other mouse that I rent out to two tenants. So we have one car, the kid's truck, and then the person that was parking at my house is parking by my driveway. There's no parking there. None. The guy that bought Prytchick's house is renting, and that guy threatened the other guy's life the other day because he parked a big black truck in front of his house. MR. LETTIERI: They're not utilizing their driveway at all? MS. CUMMINGS: Well, the people that bought the house next to them that was Krenitsky's won't allow their tenants to use the driveway. They make them park in Jay's old spot. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: In front of the old store. MS. CUMMINGS: We all had parking spaces. That's all the parking that's there. Now, there's no alley behind my house because they took it for the didn't 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 school, and it's one-sided parking. Now when the school buses are coming in there it's going to be a mess. I - don't know what you're doing but it has to be addressed. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I can say this, the parking was taken away a while ago. CHIEF DUBERNAS: Long time. MS. CUMMINGS: But they should have addressed the : because Smiths didn't rent that house across the street, Pescuch didn't. That was a family owned home. Two units? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Two. MS. CUMMINGS: Where is he going to have them park? I have your code enforcement for off-street parking. You're supposed to have 1.5, according to your new ordinance in 2023, parking spaces per unit. They don't have that. They don't have off-street parking and they don't have it on site. So how are they allowed to turn that into a commercial building? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It was always a two unit. 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CUMMINGS: But it was a family unit that wasn't rented. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's still a two unit. MS. CUMMINGS: We should have had he neighbors come in. I didn't even know they were changing that street. One day we couldn't park across there. They put signs up. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I was going to say I can't remember when they changed it. It was before, I think, all of us. MS. CUMMINGS: I remember when it was changed and I remember why. Frank Race's niece got hit by a car. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I don't know, but probably school buses, two lane traffic. A lot of cars, I remember going back when I was a kid, wold get stuck and the plow trucks couldn't come through and the school buses couldn't come through. Maybe that's why they decided to make it one side parking only, give more room for the plow trucks to get through first and open up the streets to any traffic. 30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's an emergency route. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Because of the two schools. MS. CUMMINGS: Right. So you have an emergency route, you have the school there, and now these two new owners MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: No park sO emergency vehicles can get through. That's another reason why that is an emergency route. Parking on both sides would be difficult if, God forbid, you had to get emergency vehicles through. MS. CUMMINGS: I remember in '93 when they had to come through with the trucks and tell everybody to get out of the street sO they could get all that snow out of there. In '93, '94 and '95 when they came in sO they could get that cleared out for the school. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I think that's when they put the signs up you can't park on the one side unless you have four-wheel drive, chains on your tires. There's a coupe of snow signs on the poles. 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHIEF DUBERNAS: I - think '93 you couldn't park on the opposite side either. MS. CUMMINGS: I bought as house next door to mine sO we can have parking for 511. Thanksgiving was? If I didn't hear five fights out in front of my house on Thanksgiving I didn't hear any and there's no tenants there yet. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: My question is going to be are the cars that are currently there all parked legally? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Every time I'm going to the school in the afternoon all the cars go up and down the street on the right side. There's nothing on the left side. There was a guy with a white pickup truck with a dump trailer but he backed in his driveway with four-ways on. It told him you can't be hanging out because of the school buses business. He said he was going to be gone in ten minutes anyway. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So, Bill, according to Ms. Cummings the property first of all, according to the zoning officer the property's always been deemed 32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 two units but only one family lived there. But it's always been two units. MS. CUMMINGS: I C did go up the county and pull their sheets, and it's not listed as a rental but they are allowed to have up to four people. So I don't know if that's people or units in that property. But you couldn't have that the way you have the roads there because you can't have a law that says you have to 1.5 cars for parking - MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: This is my question to the solicitor. So it's a gentleman that owns it? MS. CUMMINGS: Well, Pasqualini just bought it and is renovating it now. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Bill, my question is if they bought it and it was two units : ATTY. RINALDI: When was it built and how was it built? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's been like that since day one, I guess. Id don't know how old the house is. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Does the 33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 landlord have to build a parking lot behind his property or a driveway to a parking lot behind his property to allow tenants to park there? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's not new construction, it's an existing double unit house. MS. CUMMINGS: I don't know what he's doing there because he doesn't have a permit. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: You don't need a permit for remodeling. MS. SHOTWELL: It's two units but one family lived there, grandma lived in one and grandson lived in one. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It was always two units. ATTY. RINALDI: What's the parking there? MS. CUMMINGS: There's no parking in front. CHIEF DUBERNAS: On the south side from the 100 to the 500. Snow emergency route and school buses. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Has to be like 34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that since the mid to late '80s. MR. KOMENSKY: Is there any off-street parking? MS. CUMMINGS: No, none, and he's got a driveway. ATTY. RINALDI: It looks like it's been there a long time. So there's a double house, and where do the people park that lived in the house before? MS. CUMMINGS: In the driveway, like Ij just said. MS. SHOTWELL: Is he getting rid of the driveway? MS. CUMMINGS: I don't know. I asked the people across the street, Verdetto, they said they're not allowed to park in the driveway because they don't pay enough rent. The other side pays. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: My question to you is this Pasqualino property is rented out to new tenants? MS. CUMMINGS: He will be, I'm assuming. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yet they have a - driveway but they're parking the cars on 35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the street? MS. CUMMINGS: Right, and is it going to be the same way when he rents the apartments? If it is, then there's going to have to be something done because : MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We have to have Bill look at the ordinance, and if he's going to be renting to them do they have to provide off-street parking? It was already a two unit : MS. CUMMINGS: This is a conversion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: He might not be required to provide : MS. SHOTWELL: It has 1.5 parking spaces but it has a driveway. MS. CUMMINGS: Parking of 1.5 off-street. Every apartment building has to have 1.5 per unit. ATTY. RINALDI: Was there always two structures on your lot? MS. CUMMINGS: No, mine was back in '85 my husband changed that into a duplex. But they came to council to do that. This guy didn't do that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Do you want 36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 parking to go back on that side or do you want them to park in the driveway? MS. CUMMINGS: I'm just bringing it to your attention to tell you there's a major situation there. I don't know the solution, to be honest with you. I don't think that house should have been allowed to be sold as an apartment rental because it never was rental and there's no park. MS. SHOTWELL: Is there two addresses on it? MS. CUMMINGS: It's one address. MS. SHOTWELL: One mailbox? MS. CUMMINGS: So is Komensky's. That's only 505. That guy is telling his tenants they have to pay more for a driveway for parking. They've got a huge driveway and a garage, sO I don't know who's using it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let's have Bill look at the ordinances and then direct Mike how he should handle it. If the ordinance requires him now to provide off-street parking for his tenants Mike is going to have to go over there and address 37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it with him and explain to him although it is - one property it was always two units. But now maybe he's turning it into a duplex. It sounds that way. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: We don't know. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let's send Mike over there and find out what's happening. Let Bill and Mike get together when Bill finds out the legal answer from the ordinance side, and then we'17 send Mike back over and Mike will instruct him what he has to do, if anything. MS. CUMMINGS: According to the county it's a residential property with multi-drawing of one to four. It's not commercial property. People are literally fighting in the streets. So you're going to be called sooner or later because I'm not going to listen to it. Just call the cops. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You hear or see anything call the cops. MS. CUMMINGS: I'm sorry I have to come to you with this. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We appreciate it. Thank you. Anyone else from the public 38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 want to speak before we go down the table? Mayor Legg, anything for tonight? MAYOR LEGG: I just want to say Marylynn, great job on the budget. People don't realize how much work it is. Good job. And I spoke to the chief before the meeting. We're going to get some information on the dog. I - think he had it from four years ago. would like something on the January agenda, Mr. Chairman, to hire another police officer. I would like have that for the January meeting. We lost one to the sheriff's department and may be losing another. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Did we lose a full time? MAYOR LEGG: He wasn't full time : we did, and a part-timer got a full time job at the sheriff's department. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I know we lost Boback. He another part-time to the sheriff. MAYOR LEGG: For the January 39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 meeting. That is all I have. MS. SHOTWELL: I'11 echo on the statements about Marylynn. I - can't imagine doing all that work for the budget. Just a reminder Sunday is Snow Forge here 01d Forge, on Main Street, 2:00 to 5:00. Thanks in advance to our DPW and our police and fire department. MR. KOMENSKY: I'd like to just echo. Mare, thanks for your work on the budget. I know myself, Jimmy, Russell met with you several times over the last couple months and I know you have a lot of work to do. But thank you tidying it up and for no tax increase. The residents will be happy about that. I'd also like to echo the comments about the storm. Joe, thank you very much for the snow and your guys for putting the decorations up. They did a really nice job. And to the DPW, police, fire and staff for the storm last week. I know it's a little rough and you guys ran a lot of calls that day. So thank you for everything. It doesn't go unnoticed. That's all. 40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LETTIERI: What Mike said. Joe, thank you. You always do a great job. Chief, Billy, thank you. MR. BUTLER: Same thing. Great job with the storm and all that, and great Job to Marylynn with the budget. One other thing. Are we with still going through with that anniversary? MS. BARTOLETTI: I'd like tomorrow talk about it a little bit and get back on track. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I would say after the holidays. I'd say probably meet in January and really get moving on it. MAYOR LEGG: So it would be the 126th. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Hundred twenty-five. MR. HOOVER: Budget, wonderful job. Joe, snow. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I echoed about our DPW, our police and our fire. Thank you. Joe, council is going to sit down after this meeting and figure out what we're 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 doing with that grant. Last thing is echoing off everybody. I've sat here and seen Marylynn doing budgets for, I don't know, 15, 16, 17 years and she is really, really -- she's really the reason why we've had in the past, since - you're here since '05. We've had two tax increases in that time. We had one in '08 when we purchased a DPW truck and then we took it off, and we just had one this past year when we raised it 1.125 mills to put a police officer into the high school along with the high school paid for one as well to protect the students and staff and everyone on the ground over there. So in 19 years Marylynn's here our budget actually went up 1.125 mills. That's something to say about herself. She does a great job with it, she keeps us all informed at all of our meetings, our executive sessions. We pass through the building a lot here through the day and she's on top of things here and she does a lot of great work and we appreciate it. That's all I have. At tis time the chair is going to 42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 entertain a motion to adjourn. MS. SHOTWELL: So moved. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: By Councilwoman Jones-Shotwell. A1l in favor? (Unanimous. Meeting adjourned.) 43 1 2 3 4 5 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that I attended the foregoing proceeding, took stenographic notes of the same, that 6 the foregoing, consisting of 42 pages, is a true and correct copy, done to the best of my ability, of same 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and the whole thereof. Mark Vozn: Official Court Reporter